News Round Up (7 July 2011)

Middle East Channel – FP

City of Hama tests will of Syrian regime; at least 16 dead after protests Activists in Syria’s city of Hama have set up dozens of checkpoints and are using barricades of burning tires and trash bins to block the path of security forces. The city has emerged as a potentially serious challenge to the Syrian regime, as the town has been the site of the largest Syrian protests yet. The government’s decision to withdraw its military from Hama last month has turned the streets over to protesters, where residents say they are working in small and large groups to clean up the city and organize for its defense. At least 16 people were killed by security forces in the last two days in and around the town after peaceful demonstrations broke out on Friday. “There’s no easy solution to Hama,” said Peter Harling, a Damascus-based analyst with the International Crisis Group in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. “The regime made significant progress in terms of convincing people in Syria and abroad that there was an armed component to this protest movement and that its security forces were very much focused on that component…Hardly two weeks later, the regime gets embroiled in the exact opposite, once again undermining its own case.”

Hama Relatively Quite, Al-Watan:

July 7 – The security forces have removed the roadblocks and burned tires from the roads, while a prudent calmness is prevailing over the city.

U.S. Ambassador to Syria in Hama to Show Support for Protesters
2011-07-07, By Flavia Krause-Jackson

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. ambassador to Syria has traveled to the restive city of Hama to show solidarity with protesters as Syrian security forces step up efforts to isolate the area, the State Department said on Thursday.

Ambassador Robert Ford has met with about a dozen Hama residents during his trip, and hopes to stay in the city through Friday when more protests are planned, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said.

“The fundamental intention … was to make absolutely clear with his physical presence that we stand with those Syrians who are expressing their right to speak for change, who want a democratic future and who are expressing those views peacefully,” Nuland said.

Nuland said the U.S. embassy in Damascus had informed the Syrian government that an embassy team — without naming Ford himself — planned to travel to the city and that they were allowed to pass through a military checkpoint to get there.

She said Ford had reported “a very warm welcome” and visited a hospital that has been treating people injured in earlier confrontations between protesters and Syrian security forces…..

Opposition Builds in Syria’s Capital, a Key Battleground Wall Street Journal, By Nour Malas, 7 July 2011

Protests in the capital haven’t exploded like in other large cities Homs or Hama, where tens of thousands have demonstrated around public squares. …

Damascus has seen small protests since the early weeks of the four-month-long uprising, both in the belt of underdeveloped suburbs around the city and in urban neighborhoods aside from the capital’s wealthiest districts. The military has locked down at least nine suburbs at various points and parts of Douma, Daraya and Moadamiyeh remain under a security siege, residents and activists say.

In the past few weeks, protests have become larger, closer to central Damascus and as frequent as nightly. This past week, two separate protests marched through central Baghdad Street, not far from the parliament building.

With pervasive security and intelligence surveillance making it difficult to organize, activists have turned to less-overt expressions of dissent. Unlike calls for a nationwide general strike—which have fallen flat in Damascus and Aleppo—they hope boycotting products and places will allow more people to support the protesters….Protests are expected to grow in August, when people gather at mosques for prayer daily—rather than weekly—during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

For now, protesters have abandoned attempts to gather at the capital’s two large squares, Omayyad Square and Abassin Square, after a march toward Abassin in April was violently dispersed by security forces….

“Damascus is likely to be the last place where there will be large scale antiregime protests,” the diplomat said. “The regime’s continued strong grip on [Damascus and Aleppo] also sends a powerful symbolic message to Syrians and outsiders that the regime is still in control of the country.”

The capital’s long-held loyalty to Mr. Assad is pronounced in a growing number of portraits and posters of the president around the city. Pro-regime rallies have also grown in recent weeks.

Some say antiregime protesters are still limited to disgruntled residents of cramped, lower-class neighborhoods even when they march through the boutique-lined streets of al-Shaalan. Others say surprising constituencies have joined. Unable to gather in public squares, secular activists and even Christians have found sanctity in mosques as a place to gather for protests.

“My Christian and Communist friends and classmates come to the mosque with me every week, just to protest after,” a university student said. “They don’t know how to pray, but they ask me what to do when we’re on the way.”

Popular Protest in North Africa and the Middle East (VI): The Syrian People’s Slow-motion Revolution
International Crisis Group, Executive Summary. Full Report
Middle East/North Africa Report N°1086 Jul 2011
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The Syrian uprising has defied conventional expectations and patterns established elsewhere in the region from the outset. It happened, first of all, and to many that in itself was surprising enough. The regime was not alone in believing in a form of Syrian exceptionalism that would shield it from serious popular unrest. Once the uprising began, it did not develop quickly, as in Egypt or Tunisia. Although it did not remain peaceful, it did not descend into a violent civil war, as in Libya, or sectarian affair, as in Bahrain. To this day, the outcome remains in doubt. Demonstrations have been growing in impressive fashion but have yet to attain critical mass. Regime support has been declining as the security services’ brutality has intensified, but many constituents still prefer the status quo to an uncertain and potentially chaotic future. What is clear, however, is the degree to which a wide array of social groups, many once pillars of the regime, have turned against it and how relations between state and society have been forever altered.

The regime’s first mistake in dealing with the protests was to misdiagnose them. It is not fair to say that, in response to the initial signs of unrest, the regime did nothing. It decreed an amnesty and released several prominent critics; officials were instructed to pay greater attention to citizen complaints; and in a number of localities steps were taken to pacify restive populations. But the regime acted as if each and every disturbance was an isolated case requiring a pin-point reaction rather than part of a national crisis that would only deepen short of radical change.

Over the past decade, conditions significantly worsened virtually across the board. Salaries largely stagnated even as the cost of living sharply increased. Cheap imported goods wreaked havoc on small manufacturers, notably in the capital’s working-class outskirts. In rural areas, hardship caused by economic liberalisation was compounded by the drought. Neglect and pauperisation of the countryside prompted an exodus of underprivileged Syrians to rare hubs of economic activity. Cities such as Damascus, Aleppo and Homs witnessed the development of sprawling suburbs that absorbed rural migrants. Members of the state-employed middle class, caught between, on the one hand, low salaries, shrinking subsidies and services and, on the other, rising expenses, have been pushed out of the city centre toward the underdeveloped belt that surrounds Damascus. The ruling elite’s arrogance and greed made this predicament more intolerable. Meanwhile, promises of political reform essentially had come to naught.

Much of this has been true for a while, but the regional context made all the difference. That the Syrian public’s outlook was changing in reaction to events elsewhere might not have been manifest, but telltale signs were there. Well ahead of the mid-March 2011 commencement of serious disturbances, the impact of regional turmoil could be felt in the behaviour of ordinary Syrians. In what had long been – or forced to become – a depoliticised society, casual discussions suddenly assumed a surprisingly political tone. What the regime used to do and get away with came under intense and critical public scrutiny. Subtle expressions of insubordination surfaced. Previously routine – and unchallenged – forms of harassment and extortion by civil servants met unusual resistance on the part of ordinary citizens, emboldened by what they had seen in Tunisia, Egypt and beyond. More broadly, Syrians – who like to imagine themselves as the Arab vanguard – increasingly were frustrated at being left on the sidelines of history at a time when much of the region was rising up.

Taking small steps to coax the population, the regime also repressed, often brutally and indiscriminately. That might have worked in the past. This time, it guaranteed the movement’s nationwide extension. Wherever protests broke out, excessive use of force broadened the movement’s reach as relatives, friends, colleagues and other citizens outraged by the regime’s conduct joined in. Worse still, the regime’s strategy of denial and repression meant that it could not come to terms with the self-defeating social and political consequences of its actions.

The regime also got it wrong when it tried to characterise its foes. Syrian authorities claim they are fighting a foreign-sponsored, Islamist conspiracy, when for the most part they have been waging war against their original social constituency. When it first came to power, the Assad regime embodied the neglected countryside, its peasants and exploited underclass. Today’s ruling elite has forgotten its roots. It has inherited power rather than fought for it, grown up in Damascus, mingled with and mimicked the ways of the urban upper class and led a process of economic liberalisation that has benefited large cities at the provinces’ expense. The state abandoned vast areas of the nation, increasingly handling them through corrupt and arrogant security forces. There is an Islamist undercurrent to the uprising, no doubt. But it is a product of the regime’s decades of socio-economic neglect far more than it reflects an outside conspiracy by religious fundamentalists.

True, areas with strong minority concentrations have been slow to rise up; likewise, Damascus and Aleppo have been relatively quiescent, and the business community has remained circumspect. But the loyalty these groups once felt for the regime has been under threat for some time. Most, in one form or another, have suffered from the predatory practices of a ruling class that, increasingly, has treated the country as private property. Even Allawites, a minority group to which the ruling family and a disproportionate share of the security services belong, long have had reason to complain, chafing at the sight of an ever-narrowing elite that does not even bother to redistribute wealth to its own community.

That leaves the security apparatus, which many observers believe constitute the regime’s ultimate card – not the regular army, distrusted, hollowed out and long demoralised, but praetorian units such as the Republican Guard and various strands of the secret police generically known as the Mukhabarat and disproportionately composed of Allawites. The regime seems to believe so, too, and has dispatched its forces to engage in ruthless displays of muscle, sometimes amounting to collective punishment. Over the years, these forces undoubtedly have served the regime well; in recent months, too, they have shown no mercy in efforts to crush the protest movement.

But here as well appearances can be deceiving. From the outset of the crisis, many among the security forces were dissatisfied and eager for change; most are underpaid, overworked and repelled by high-level corruption. They have closed ranks behind the regime, though it has been less out of loyalty than a result of the sectarian prism through which they view the protest movement and of an ensuing communal defence mechanism. The brutality to which many among them have resorted arguably further encourages them to stand behind the regime for fear of likely retaliation were it to collapse.

Yet, the sectarian survival instinct upon which the regime relies could backfire. The most die-hard within the security apparatus might well be prepared to fight till the bitter end. But the majority will find it hard to keep this up. After enough of this mindless violence, this same sectarian survival instinct could push them the other way. After centuries of discrimination and persecution at the hands of the Sunni majority, Allawites and other religious minorities concluded that their villages within relatively inaccessible mountainous areas offered the only genuine sanctuary. They are unlikely to believe their safety is ensured in the capital (where they feel like transient guests), by the Assad regime (which they view as a temporary, historical anomaly), or through state institutions (which they do not trust). When they begin to feel that the end is near, Allawites might not fight to the last man. They might well return to the mountains. They might well go home.

This report, part of a series on the popular movements in North Africa and the Middle East, is the first of two that will look in detail at Syria’s uprising. It focuses chiefly on the inception and makeup of the protest movement. The second, to be published shortly, will focus on the regime’s response.

Syrian national dialogue aims at pluralistic state: vice president
English.news.cn 2011-07-07

DAMASCUS, July 7 (Xinhua) — Syrian Vice President Faruq al-Shara said the forthcoming national dialogue is aimed to positively affect the Syrians and develop the political, economical structure to reach a pluralistic and democratic state.

The dialogue has become a popular demand and a national need that would contribute in solving the recent crisis, Faruq al-Shara said in an interview with the London-based Arabic al-Hayat newspaper published on Thursday.

He said the objective of the dialogue is also to turn the page of the past and open a new one for the future, adding that the recent opposition meetings held to figure out an outlet to the crisis, were positive, especially those that concentrated on the national unity and rejected foreign intervention.

The consultative meeting for the national dialogue will be held in capital Damascus on Sunday as a prelude for the national dialogue conference that would supposedly lay foundations for the transition of Syria towards a democratic state.

According to private al-Watan newspaper, the meeting would discuss three substantial issues, namely, laying down the bases for the national dialogue conference through presenting a clear vision for Syria’s economic, political and social future, reaching an agreement on the demanded constitutional amendments, and the endorsement of three draft laws that would introduce radical changes in the public life.

Invitations have been sent to some 244 figures, including opponents of the Syrian government, to participate in the two-day meeting that would tackle the current situation in Syria and the proposed constitutional amendments.

However, some Syrian opposition figures told Xinhua via phone on Wednesday that they will not take part in the forthcoming consultative meeting, saying the Syrian authorities didn’t consider their suggestions earlier about creating a suitable climate for national dialogue and still resort to security handling instead of political solution to the crisis.

Al-Sharaa to Al-Hayat: The national dialogue is for a pluralist system in which the ballot boxes play a prominent role
by Ibrahim Hamidi – al-Hayat, Thursday, July 7, 2011, Damascus –

The Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Shara said in an interview to Al-Hayat that the national dialogue in Syria aims at «changing» the general climate and affecting positively the mood of citizens. The participants will discuss developing the basic political, economic and social structure until reached a «pluralistic and democratic system in which the ballot boxes and fair elections have a prominent role »….

Asked about the criteria upon which the participants were invited to the «consultation», Al-Sharaa said that ….The Committee conducted extensive contacts wherever necessary, until finally it was decided that the invitees will be divided into three categories “in balance most close to reality”: One third of the invitees included the Baath party and the parties of the Progressive National Front. Another third consisted of the opposition from various social strata, currents and spectra, and a third consisting of independents». In response to another question Al-Sharaa said that the independents in the dialogue have increased in number, but the overall envisaged picture will not change because a proportion of independents would be closer to the ideas and concerns of the opposition, whereas the other part will be closer to the ideology of the party (Baath Party) and the « National Front ». The participation of young people and taking great interest in their concerns was also taken taking into account. Responding to a question, Al-Sharaa pointed «Had President al-Assad been convinced otherwise, he would have issued all what is required with a signature without waiting for the outcome of the dialogue». Observers have interpreted inviting young people as a desire to reflect the tendencies of the street…..

The dialogue committee had invited opposition figures on the basis of their party affiliation such as the invitations that were sent to Hasan Abdul-Azim in his capacity as General Coordinator of the National Democratic Change and Luay Hasan the coordinator of the meeting “Syria for all in the shadow of a Democratic Civil State to attend the consultative meeting or send a representative, the thing which was regarded by observers as a recognition of the opposition.

Asked about the reason for not inviting figures from the Muslim Brotherhood to the dialogue and his opinion concerning Islamic movements, Al-Sharaa clarified «Islam is a great religion for all mankind and is spread across the globe. It embraces the basic human rights that were only adopted by Europe and America two hundred years ago. It is a religion that no one can monopolise or have exclusivity on, or register as his private property. since the 1980’s, America and Israel have been trying to link Islam with terrorism, and the Islamic resistance against the Israeli occupation to terrorism. Thus, we believe that true Islam does not accept to be dragged behind the foreigner in order to serve the enemy’s goals, neither does it accept seeking power from the foreigner. Therefore it is no surprise that our relations with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt during the reign of former Egyptian President Husni Mubarak were good, whereas we were at bad terms with the Egyptian regime. Furthermore, our relations with the Muslim Brotherhood of Jordan are based on our common keenness to support the resistance in Palestine, in spite of the misunderstanding between Hamas and the Jordanian Kingdom.

Asked about his assessment of the meetings that were held recently by dissidents and independents such as the “Syria for All” meeting and the Independent Parliamentarians conference, VP Al-Sharaa told Al-Hayat: “I see, as many do inside Syria and abroad, that the latest meetings by the opposition, including independents and neutral people, have been positive or contain positive points, particularly the meetings that focused on the country’s unity and rejected help of foreign powers”.

Syria postpones parliamentarian elections: report
English.news.cn 2011-07-07

DAMASCUS, July 7 (Xinhua) — Syria’s parliamentarian elections have been postponed to an indefinite time to allow the crystallization of a political pluralistic life based on new legislation, including the laws of parties and elections, in addition to the impending constitutional amendments, private al- Watan newspaper reported Thursday.

Quoting unnamed high-ranking sources, al-Watan said the parliament will convene next month to endorse new laws and constitutional amendments that would include an article, providing that the Baath party is the leader of the state and the society.

In another development, the paper quoted sources at a dialogue body recently formed by President Bashar al-Assad as saying that some of the invitations sent to opposition figures to attend the consultative meeting for the national dialogue, have been turned down.

The consultative meeting for the national dialogue will be held in the Syrian capital of Damascus on Sunday as a prelude for the national dialogue conference that would supposedly lay foundations for the transition of Syria towards a democratic state.

The sources said the body was keen that all opposition figures attend the meeting and has exerted enormous efforts in that direction, adding “the absence of some figures would never affect the decisions of reforms.”

Invitations were sent to some 244 figures, including opponents of the Syrian government, to participate in the two-day meeting that would tackle the current situation in Syria and the proposed constitutional amendments. Al-Watan said most of them have confirmed their participation.

EU lawmakers call for more sanctions on Syria
Thu Jul 7, 2011

STRASBOURG, France, July 7 (Reuters) – European Union lawmakers called on Thursday for EU member states to impose more sanctions on Syria’s government to force it to end a crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators.

In a resolution on recent upheaval in North Africa and the Middle East, legislators in the European Parliament also said the EU should help Turkey and Lebanon set up a humanitarian aid corridor to assist refugees fleeing the violence in Syria.

“The Council (of EU governments) should continue to extend targeted sanctions to all persons and entities linked to the (Syrian) regime with the view to weakening and isolating them, paving the way for democratic transition,” the lawmakers said.

All’s ‘Fare’ in War by Philip Giraldi — Antiwar.com

The US Senate has already approved a bill that will cut off aid to the Palestinians if they seek statehood and the White House has let it be known that countries that support the Palestinians will not be viewed in favorable terms

by Washington when it comes time to renew trade agreements. Netanyahu also promoted his negative assessment of the Palestinians during a recently completed charm offensive in Europe, a tour that was tactically supported by every United States Ambassador along the way, even though the US is not in any way threatened by the creation of a Palestinian state. Throughout , Israel and the United States have made every effort to distort and defame both the Gaza Flotilla and the drive for Palestinian independence. The pressure exerted on the European governments to stop the flotilla and vote against Palestinian statehood has been both enormous and largely invisible. And it has been an effort fully coordinated between the United States and Israel.

WHY DOESN’T THE U.S. DO MORE TO BACK THE UPRISING IN SYRIA?
An Interview with Andrew J. Tabler by Lara Setrakian, ABC NEWS,  July 7, 2011

Andrew Tabler’s….. solution involves beefing up sanctions, in particular on Syria’s energy sector, and working with the opposition inside Syria and abroad in order to ratchet up the pressure on Assad. ….Tabler says the recent experience in Libya has soured global opinion on the use of military intervention to defend civilians against a regime’s violence. The NATO operation in Libya is in its fourth month and Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi maintains a grip on power despite daily bombing runs on his defenses. Tabler says a military operation in Syria could face the same problems.

“It is unclear exactly what could we do militarily that would actually knock out the regime. Would it require just missile strikes? I think it would require more than that. So what would it be? Would it be an invasion? Are we prepared to invade Syria?” he asked skeptically…..

After 41 Years, Syria Begins to Imagine a Future Without an Assad in Charge By: Nidaa Hassan | The Guardian
A new idea of national identity free of oppression is driving the protests, which initially called for reforms rather than revolution.

Paris Says Russia Reviewing Syria Stance
Reuters

Witness Saw Teen Beaten in Syrian Jail
By JAMAL HALABY and BASSEM MROUE, 2011-07-07 21:27:20.521 GMT

(AP) — Inside a filthy detention center in Damascus, eight or nine interrogators repeatedly bludgeoned a skinny teenager whose hands were bound and who bore a bullet wound on the left side of his chest. They struck his head, back, feet and genitals until he was left on the floor of a cell, bleeding from his ears and crying out for his mother and father to help him.

Ibrahim Jamal al-Jahamani, a fellow prisoner who said he witnessed the brutal scene in Syria in May, heard the interrogators demand that the 15-year-old proclaim strongman Bashar Assad as his “beloved” president.

The youth, later identified as Tamer Mohammed al-Sharei, refused. Instead, he chanted an often-heard slogan from anti-regime street protests calling for “freedom and the love of God and our country.”…

Florida’s Syrians and Libyans organize for change in their home countries, even if that means never going back, By Jeff Gore,  Orlando Weekly: July 7, 2011

It was near the end of April when Dena Atassi, a 26-year-old Syrian-American teacher and Orlando resident, posted a graphic video to Facebook. “Watch Syria’s Secret Services dressed like street thugs as they get ready to beat peaceful protesters to a bloody pulp,” she wrote. “These devils will get what’s coming to them – maybe not from the Syrian people, but from the Lord who created them and the people they unjustly harm.”….

like many other Americans of Middle Eastern descent in recent months, Atassi has become a telecommuting activist of sorts – she says she puts in an average of six hours per day “working on Syria.” This includes translating first-aid tips into Arabic (she had noticed from YouTube videos that some protesters didn’t know to put pressure on wounds), organizing rallies and fundraisers, and getting the latest developments in Syria from a distant relative in Dubai who smuggled 150 smart phones to key organizers in the country. Atassi is convinced that the Syrian government is too busy with dissent within its own borders to worry about her activities in Orlando …..

Comments (325)


Akbar Palace said:

ZIA: Zionists in Action

The Zionists are advancing toward Tripoli.

Another Arab despot is in danger.

World Zionist Council applauds, recommends special prayer service for victory, more blood-filled Purim cookies ordered from the caterer…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14066968

July 7th, 2011, 6:29 pm

 

daleandersen said:

“…Dena Atassi, a 26-year-old Syrian-American teacher and Orlando resident, posted a graphic video to Facebook. “Watch Syria’s Secret Service dressed like street thugs as they get ready to beat peaceful protesters to a bloody pulp,” she wrote. “These devils will get what’s coming to them….”

Yes, they will get what’s coming to them. And after Bashar Assad is dead, or in exile, and these thugs are on trial, will their defense be “we were just following orders?”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dale_Andersen/syrians-flee-opposition-town-hama-government-crackdown-_n_891980_95983081.html

July 7th, 2011, 6:30 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

Had anyone but WHY DISCUSS, bothered to read ICG report, they would have recognized several grim facts that were well documented and well analyzed in this outstanding work.

Here is a very brief summary of only some of what I got.

1. bashar al asad managed to consolidate hi power just around 2005. It was then when the arrogance of corruption reached epic levels indicating that his own circle is behind it and that it is being carried out with his approval (Many have demolished the myth of the ruler who does not know).

2. Very sharp critical statements of the regime have mostly come from insiders. A senior insider called the internal management of the country “Tragic”, Demonstrating not only the arrogance of bashar’s regime, but its ineptness and its dereliction of duty (most of bashar’s so-called young circle figures are more concerned about their business competitors than about doing their jobs)

3. The excessively intensified personality cult (men7ebbak) is in fact assuring those on the sidelines and those undecided that bashar is totally blind to the changing realities. This bozo dean is now talking about a constitution that is consistent with the vision of bashar is only adding fuel to fire, the increasing number of portraits, the hyperventilating tantrum they call support demonstrations, and all other ludicrous personality cult theatrics are also helping tie bashar not to reforms, but to an extended ridiculous, repulsively tragicomical vision of the Nation’s future, and it is leading to increased detestation of his personality and his followers, along with increasingly vocal heckling.

5. The security forces are in deep trouble. As the regime received a slap in the face from rural areas and smaller cities that are supposed to be its strongholds, the collapse of the security forces, brought on by several factors will probably be shocking and surprising. It will take time, but the regime will be, as always, incapable and intentionally blind to it.

Murdered Twice:

Heckling is a cause of fear for the assads’ regime. Syrians for 40 years now have been drilled with the notion that the assad at the helm is a taboo. He is the “grand symbol” and it is basically “He is the Nation” hence the repulsive temper tantrum cry of “Allah-Suria-bashar only”. Not even a small transgression would be tolerated for it irreparably chips the fear barrier and cast doubt on the eternal right of the dynasty to own the country, its inhabitants, and their souls. The increased barbarity against those daring to heckle the man and make fun of him, which culminated with unspeakable murder and mutilation of Ibrahim Qashah in Hama, only reinforces the conviction of many that bashar is the problem, and that his downfall is as important to the liberation of Syria and to its future as the downfall of his security apparatus and tashbish machination representing the mafia gang around him. Many whom I know to have been afraid of removing bashar are now calling for it as a necessary condition for a new Syria. Targeting Ibrahim personally, and then removing his vocal organs was not the work of an over zealot shabeeh, it is a policy of horrific intimidation that intended to remove the organ responsible not for the words themselves (tongue)but for the entire voice. It is the ultimate silencing through the literal murder of both the bard and his voice.

July 7th, 2011, 6:41 pm

 

Tara said:

See the report on the Syrian teen above.

Has this ever happened in history? Killing and torturing children of your own people.

A children killer is what we should refer to Bashar in this forum.

July 7th, 2011, 6:47 pm

 

Aboud said:

@3

Yep, I’ve read it twice. Junior could have learned quite alot from it, too bad he prefers to listen to his sycophants who keep telling him “But your exalted presidency sir, they LOVE you in Khaldia and Baba Amr! But if they don’t, they are dirty Salafis”

@4

Never in living history. Not even the Israelis would have treated him that way had he murdered Netanyahu with his bare hands.

July 7th, 2011, 7:04 pm

 

Tara said:

Aboud,

Do you think the children killer does not really know what is really happening? He does not strike me as a very smart person. I just find it difficult to believe even if he has an IQ of say 105. Now seriously! I read some reports when he was listening to people from Daraa or Aleppo. Some of his responses indicated that he had no idea. Is it really possible that he shot his eyes and ears to anyone except his sycophants . Does her really think that people can possibly beehbou?

July 7th, 2011, 7:16 pm

 

why-discuss said:

A question to the opposition and loyalists?

Why do you think Ambassador Ford is in Hama for the Friday “NO DIALOG’ demonstrations?

Is it really to show support to the ‘peaceful’ demonstrators coming out of the mosques?
I doubt that very much. He got the approval from the government, for what? to encourage the protesters to call for its fall? I don’t believe that.
I think that the USA before making any flip fatal to Bashar wants to check with their own eyes the real nature of these demonstrations in Hama and the reaction of the security officers: No more fake videos, eye witnesses and bla bla on TV channels. He will see the real thing. Any sign of MB or violent religious connotation to the protests will be detected, the ethnical and religious variety of the protesters, any violence he sees will affect the US future position.
Remember that the protests labelled this friday “NO DIALOG” when the US has been pressing Bashar just to do that!
The fact that the government has allowed such an important person in Hama while the media are not allowed shows that the government is confident that what Ford will see will be at its advantage.
Protesters and security elements, watch your steps, the US ambassador is watching you!
A very interesting and determinant friday

July 7th, 2011, 7:24 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

TARA, take a look at this.

د. فؤاد زكريا

ا سطورة الحاكم الذي لا يعرف

في مشهد من فيلم ” نيكولاس وألكسندرا ، يتوجه العمال التعساء إلي مقر قيصر روسيا ، في مسيرة سلمية أقنعهم بها قسيس يكره العنف ، وهم يحملون عريضة يشكون بها إلي الحاكم سوء أحوالهم. ويسير الموكب في هدوء ، وعلي رأسه القس الذي يصيح طوال الوقت :ـ ” إنا أتيناكم مسالمين ” . وفي الطرف الآخر يقف الجنود ببنادقهم ، وعند نقطة معينة يطلقون النار فجأة علي المسيرة السلمية ، وبذلك وقعت ” مذبحة قصر الشتاء ” الشهيرة في عام ١٩٠٤ . وفي نهاية المشهد وقف القس المشدوه يرقب القتلي والدماء الغزيرة ويصيح : ” نيكولاس ، أيها السفاح الشرير ” ، وننتقل بعد ذلك مباشرة إلي مشهد آخر في القصر ، حيث نجد القيصر واقفا يسأل رئيس وزراءه بكل غضب : ” لماذا لم تقولوا لي ؟ من الذي أمر بإطلاق النار ؟ لماذا قتلتم الناس ؟ من المسئول عن هذه المذبحة ؟ ” فيجيب رئيس الوزراء بحكمة : ” هل كنت ستستجيب لمطالب هؤلاء الناس لو وصلوا إليك ؟ ” وعندما يأتيه الرد – كما هو متوقع – بالنفي ، يقول : ” وبعد ذلك تسأل من المسئول ؟“

في هذه اللقطات تعرض علينا مشكلة أساسية في الحكم الفردي الدكتاتوري من زواياها الثلاث :ـ

١- الشعب ينظر إلي الحاكم علي أنه طاغية .

٢- أما الحاكم فيري نفسه بريئا لأنه لم يكن يعرف ، ويلقي اللوم علي المحيطين به .

٣ـ وأخيرا فإن صوت الحكمة يقول أن الحاكم ، بمبادئه وأساليبه في الحكم ، هو المسئول الحقيقي ، بغض النظر عن التفاصيل ، وعمن يكون المذنب عند إرتكاب هذا الخطأ الجزئي أو ذاك .

في بلاد العالم الثالث ، حيث الحكم الفردي هو القاعدة العامة التي لا توجد لها إلا إستثناءات قليلة ، تنتشر أسطورة ” الحاكم الذي لا يعرف ” ، وفي أغلب الأحيان يروجها النظام ذاته ، أو المتعاطفون معه ، كما أن الحاكم ذاته قد يلجأ إليها في نهاية المطاف حين لا يعود في الإمكان كتمان فضائح مالية ، أو جرائم لا إنسانية ، أو تصرفات قمعية إرهابية . عندئذ تعلو الأصوات قائلة : أن الحاكم نفسه رجل رحيم ، تجيش نفسه بالإنسانية والوطنية وحب العدل ، ولا يفكر إلا في مصلحة شعبه ، ولكن العيب كله في المحيطين به ، وعادة يصّور هولاء المحيطون بأنهم ، في غالبيتهم ، مجموعة من الأشرار الذين لا يكتفون بإرتكاب جرائمهم ، بل يخفونها عن الحاكم ، ويصورون له الأحوال دائما بصورة وردية . وماداموا هم وحدهم الذين يستطيعون الوصول إلي الحاكم ، فإن هذا الأخير يظل علي غير علم بممارساتهم التي تشوه صورته أمام الناس دون قصد منه . وهكذا يساء إلي الحاكم الإنسان نتيجة لشرور الأعوان .

وتنتشر ” أسطورة الحاكم الذي لا يعرف ” عندما يضطر أنصار الحاكم الفرد إلي الإعتراف بوجود ، تناقض صارخ في تصرفاته ، ويعجزون عن تفسير هذا التناقض ، فهو من جهة يبدو حاكما وطنيا صامدا في وجه أعداء الوطن ، يتبع سياسة تستهدف مصالح ” الشعب ” ، وخاصة فئاته الكادحة ولكنه من جهة أخري يسجن بلا حساب ، ويعتقل بلا دليل ، ويقمع كل معارض ، ولا يسمح لصوت بأن يرتفع إلا صوته وصوت أذنابه – أي أنه بإختصار يقضي علي أي تأثير ممكن لإنجازاته الإيجابية عن طريق فرض هذه الإنجازات علي الناس من أعلي ، بدلا من أن يدعها تنبثق من رأيهم الحر وتجد لنفسها الحماية والرعاية في ظل موافقتهم وإقتناعهم .

فكيف يمكن تفسير هذا التناقض ؟ إن النصير المتحمس للحاكم الفرد لا يجد وسيلة تفسير سوي أن يلجأ إلي ” أسطورة الحاكم الذي لا يعرف ” ، فيؤكد أن الإيجابيات من صنعه هو ،أما السلبيات فمن صنع المحيطين به ، وهو لا يعلم عنها شيئا ولو كان يعلم لما سمح بها ، وعلي هذا النحو يظل النصير المتحمس محتفظا بمثله الأعلي نقيا من كل شائبة ، بينما يعزو إلي غيره كل الآثام والنقائص والإنحرافات ، وتظل صورة الحاكم الفرد ، في نظر معبوده ، أشبه بإله لا يصدر عنه إلا الخير ، بينما الشر كله من صنع ” الشيطان ” ..

“وربما حوّرت الأسطورة قليلا ، فلا يعود الحاكم هو الذي ” لا يعرف ” ، بل يصبح هو الذي ” لايقدر ، وفي هذه الصيغة المعدلة ، تكون رغبة الحاكم أيضا متجهة دائما إلي الخير ، غير أن الذين يحيطون به يفرضون عليه إجراءات ظالمة لا يكون هو ذاته راضيا عنها ، ولكن لا مفر من ذلك من أجل مراعاة ” توازن القوي ” في الحكم، وضمان إرضاء كافة الأطراف ذات الوزن بين الفئة الحاكمة ، حتي تسير الدفة بأكبر قدر ممكن من الهدوء والإنسياب . وهكذا يضطر الحاكم ، برغم قوته وجبروته ، إلي توزيع بعض السلطات علي الأعوان الذين يملكون بدورهم قدراً من القوة ، ويترك لكل منهم الحرية في ” قطاعه ” الخاص ، فإذا أساء أحدهم التصرف فإن الحاكم لا يمكن أن يكون مسئولاً عما فعل ، بل هو مضطر الي المضي في ” لعبة التوازن ” بلا توقف ، لأن سلامة الحكم وتوازنه تحتم ذلك .

أسطورة الحاكم الذي لا يتنازل : ـ

في مقابل هذه الأسطورة ، تظهر في بلاد العالم الثال ، وضمنها بلادنا العربية بالطبع ، أسطورة أخري تسير في الإتجاه المضاد ، ولكنها تنطوي في نهايج المطاف علي نفس الآفات التي تكشف عنها الأسطورة السابقة. والهدف في هذه المرة ليس الدفاع عن الحاكم المطلق عن طريق نسبة كل أخطائه الي الاعوان ، وانما هو الدفاع عن هؤلاء الاعوان عن طريق تأكيد أن الحاكم لم يترك لهم شيئا يتنازل عنه

فالحاكم هنا وهو الذي يمسك بزمام كل شئ ، والتابع ـ حتي لو كان الرجل الثاني ـ لا يملك الا ان ينظر الي ما يحدث في صمت ، لأن رأيه غير مطلوب ، وإذا طلب فهو غير مسموع ، فإذا سألت هذا التابع :ـ ألا تري كل هذه المظالم ؟ ألست أنت أيضا مسئولاً عنها ؟ كان رده :ـ إنني مغلوب علي أمري ، ” فالرجل الكبير ” هو الذي يفعل كل شئ ، وما عليّ سوي ألا أن أرقب الأمور صامتا .

هنا تنسب السلبيات كلها الي الحاكم ، الذي تكون له قدرة كاملة ، ومعرفة كاملة ، أما الأعوان فإنهم عاجزون كل العجز ، وحتي لو كانوا من الفضلاء فإن محاربة الفساد تفوق طاقتهم ، لأن القرارات كلها تصدر عن سلطة واحدة لا تترك لغيرها شيئا . وواضح أن هذه الأسطورة تقلب إتجاه الأسطورة السابقة : ففي الحالة الأولي كان الحاكم هو الطرف الصالح دائما ، علي حين أن الفساد كله يأتي من الأعوان ، وكان الحاكم لا يعلم عن السلبيات شيئا ، بينما الأعوان يعرفون عنها كل شئ لأنهم هم الذين يرتكبونها ، وكان الحاكم لا يهتم إلا بالعموميات والقرارات الحاسمة ، ويترك التفاصيل للأعوان الذينيسيئون إستخدامها . أما في الحالة الثانية فإن الحاكم وحده هو صاحب القرار وصاحب القدرة ، وأقوي أعوانه لا يملك إلي جانبه شيئا ، ولا يستطيع أن يغير من الأمر كثيرا أو قليلا ، حتي في التفاصيل والجزئيات.

ولكن الأمر الذي يدعو للدهشة هو أن الأسطورتين ، علي الرغم من تناقضهما ، كثيرا ما يطلقان علي حاكم واحد . فأنصاره يروجون الأسطورة الأولي ، وربما إعتنقوها عن إيمان ، فيلتمسون له العذر عن أخطائه المنسوبة دائما إلي المحيطين به ، وخصومه ينشرون الأسطورة الثانية ويلتمسون العذر لأنفسهم لأن الحاكم لم يكن يقبل ” التنازل ” عن شئ . فهل يُعقل أن يكون الحاكم نفسه عارفًا بكل شئ ، وغير عارف بالكثير ؟ وهل يعقل أن يكون ، في آن واحد ، خيرًا وشريرًا ، رحيمًا وطاغية ، مشاركًا للغير ومستحوذًا علي كل شئ ؟.

ولكن المشكلة الحقيقية في الأسطورتين لا تكمن في تناقضهما فحسب ، بل إنهما تمثلان وهما كبيرًا وقعت فيه شعوبنا ومازالت معرضة للوقوع فيه. والأدهي من ذلك أن الأسطورتين أصبحتا تقدمان وكأنهما من طبائع الأشياء ومن ضرورات السياسية ، وترددان وكأنهما محاولة لتفسير ظواهر تبدو غير قابلة للتفسير علي أي نحو آخر ، وأعني بها: كيف يكون الحاكم وطنيًا و طاغية في الوقت ذاته ؟ وكيف يكون التابع فاضلاً وشاهدًا علي الظلم ؟

ولكن هل تستطيع الأسطورتان ، حقاً ، تفسير أي شئ ؟

تبديد الوهم :ـ

لقد أطلقنا إسم ” الأسطورة ” علي هذه التفسيرات التي تشيع في نظم الحكم الفردية التسلطية لأنها لاتعدو بالفعل أن تكون وهمًا كبيرًا تسلط علي العقول وشوه نظرتها الي عملية الحكم وعلاقة الحاكم بأعوانه وبالمجتمع الذي يحكمه ، فنحن نخدع أنفسنا ونكشف عن قصور تفكيرنا في كل مرة نبرر فيها أخطاء الحاكم بأنها وقعت لأنه لم يكن يعرف ، ونحصر مسئولية الأخطاء في التابعين والمعاونين ، أو نلتمس فيها العذر لتابع الحاكم علي أساس أنه كان مغلول اليد ، ونحصر مسئولية الأخطاء في الحاكم الفرد الذي لا يتنازل عن شئ .

أن أبسط تفكير يقنعنا بأن الحاكم الانسان ، الوطني ، الرحيم ، الذي تحيط به مجموعة من الأشرار ، إنما هو خرافة لا مكان لها إلا في عقول السذج ، فالحاكم الذي يكون في هذا النمط من الحكم فرديًا متسلطًا ـ هو الذي يختار معاونيه ، وهو الذي يملك قدرة تغييرهم ، ولولا انه يرتاح لعملهم ، ولأسلوبهم في التعاون معه ، لما بقوا في مناصبهم لحظة واحدة ، ومعاونوه هؤلاء إما أن يكونوا علي شاكلته ، وإما أن يكونوا مكملين له في عملية توزيع للأدوار يعهد فيها إليهم بالأعمال التي لاتتناسب مع مكانته أو مشاغله ، والصورة التي يتخيلها البعض ، في أنظمة الحكم التسلطية ، عن حاكم خيّر يحيط به معاونون من الأشرار هي ، ببساطة ، صورة تتنافر أجزاؤها ويستحيل أن تتجمع عناصرها ، إذ أن السلطة المطلقة للحاكم تحتم عليه ألا يعمل إلا من خلال أشباهه أو المتكاملين معه . ولو جاز للمرء أن يحّور كلمات حكمة شائعة لهتف في هذا الصدد : “ قل لي من يعاونك ، أقل لك من أنت ! “

والنظرة الواقعية الي الأمور تثبت أن الحاكم المتسلط ” كثيرًا ما يعرف كل شئ عن معاونيه المحيطين به ، وعن جرائمهم التي تسمي في لغتنا التي اعتادت علي التهذيب المنافق ” إنحرافات ” أو حتي ” تجاوزات ” ، ولكنه يغض الطرف عنهم ماداموا يسايرونه ويخدمون أهدافه ، أما اذا خالفوا أوامره فان الملفات المحفوظة تخرج من الأدراج، وتبدأ الفضائح ، وهكذا فان الحاكم هنا ” يعرف ” ، ولكنه لا يستخدم معرفته لمنع الضرر عن الشعب ، بل يوظفها من أجل إحكام سيطرته وضمان طاعة معاونيه ، أي من أجل تحقيق مصالحه الخاصة في نهاية اللأمر.

ولكن لنفرض جدلًا أنه لم يكن يعرف ، فهل يعفيه هذا من المسئولية ؟ هذا هو السؤال الأكبر ، الذي يجيب عنها التفكير السياسي الساذج بالإيجاب ، ولكن حقيقة الأمر هي أن الحاكم مسئول عن عدم معرفته ، ومن ثم فهو مسئول عن كل ما يترتب علي ذلك من أضرار.

إن نظم الحكم التسلطية تضع أساليب لتوصيل المعلومات الي الحاكم تؤدي حتما الي التشويه والإنحراف. فمعرفة الحاكم بأوضاع البلاد لا تتم الا من خلال تقارير المعاونين والمحيطين ، والأجهزة السرية والأمنية . وهكذا يقضي النظام الفردي الدكتاتوري علي الحاكم بأن يعيش حبيس جدران أرهابه ، وهي جدران صماء ، نوافذها الوحيدة التي توصلها الي العالم الرحب الفسيح هي التقارير السرية ، التي يضعها المعاونين ، هذا هو النظام الذي وضعه هو ، وارتضاه ، وارتاح الي العمل به ، ومن ثم هو مسئول عما يترتب عليه مسئولية كاملة . ولقد كان في وسعه لو شاء ،ان يفتح الأبواب علي مصراعيها ، عن طريق السماح بحرية الكلام والنقد والمعارضة ، وعندئذ يستطيع ان ” يعرف ” كل ما يدور حوله بالطرق والقنوات الطبيعية ، من صحافة حرة وإجتماعات حزبية ولقاءات مع المعارضة ، الخ …. ، ولكنه إختار الطريق الأخر ، طريق عدم المعرفة ، أو طريق المعرفة الشوهاء بمحض إرادته، فكيف ندافع عنه بعد ذلك بحجة أنه لم يكن يعرف ؟

هل سمعتم يوما عن حاكم لدولة ديمقراطية إعتذر عن أخطاء حدثت في حكمه علي أساس أنه لم يكن يعرف ؟ وهل سمعتم عن شعب في دولة ديمقراطية إقتنع يوما بمثل هذا العذر ؟ إن النظام الديمقراطي يفترض في الحاكم أن يعرف ، وأن يضع من ضمانات الحرية ومن نظم توصيل المعلومات ما يضمن له معرفة طبيعية منظمة بما يدور حوله من إيجابيات وسلبيات ، فإذا تبين يومًا ما أن تقصيره في معرفة ما يحدث قد ترتبت عليه نتائج خطيرة ، وجب عليه أن يتنحي علي الفور ، ويترك الحكم لمن هو أقدر منه .

لقد قيل عن شاه إيران إنه لم يكن يصدق ما كان يجري من مظاهرات عارمة في بلاده خلال الشهور الأخيرة من حكمه . وقيل إنه عندما سمع بوجود معارضة قوية أرسل خادمه العجوز ليستطلع ما يجري في الشوارع ، بعد أن تزعزعت ثقته في التقارير التي يرفعها إليه ” السافاك ” ، وحين قام بجولة بالطائرة الهليكوبتر ووجد في الشوارع مظاهرات عارمة ، سأل طياره بدهشة : “ هل كل هؤلاء الناس يتظاهرون ضدي ؟ ( إنظر : محمد حسنين هيكل : “ مدافع آيات الله ” ..

July 7th, 2011, 7:28 pm

 

Tara said:

Off The Wall,

Great answer!

July 7th, 2011, 7:44 pm

 

jad said:

First God rest the soul of Tamer and every Syrian soul we are lost and we still loosing.
Second, the story of how Tamer was tortured and killed doesn’t make lots of sense hearing it from the person telling the story:
This witness al-Jahamani was arrested 3 times, the security knew that he was sending videos to the AP, they knew that he is an activist, he was caught with his friend that he said he was shot because he runs from the security when they asked them to stop and they opened and hacked his FB, Twitter and Email accounts, yet they let him go free three times and the interesting part when he said “they failed to find evidence linking him to charges of incitement.”?? as if the Syrian security needs any evidence for anything to keep someone as their ‘guest’.

He witness every detail of Tamer horrific torture and killing from the corridor and he heard him screaming, yet he himself with all the stuff he did was received one brutal hit on his thigh but not beaten as savagely and killed as Tamer, what did Tamer do to deserve such treatment and al-Jahamani not? he didn’t praise bashar!! and to make the story even more vague he said that they actually asked to bring a doctor to revive Tamer just to beat him even more and to kill him. Having thousands of detainees waiting for interrogation with few security men working over time beating people, why would they wast two days of beating one minor until they kill him, while letting the real suspicious and activists one to go free three times yet brutally killing an innocent youth with cold blood as described.

July 7th, 2011, 7:55 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

When the Syrian democracy is in place, they should create a postage stamp in honor of Tamer Mohammed al-Sharei.

July 7th, 2011, 7:56 pm

 

N.Z. said:

WD,

He is their man, no doubt.

Sacking the governor, redeployment of tanks and security shabiha was a mistake that is equivalent to someone digging their own grave. It clearly demonstrated, what we all along knew, that the whole story of infiltrators and armed men is regime made.

It will put the US in better light. As a humanitarian nation that cares about the treatment of Syrians. It is a new game, same players, same oppression.

” NO DIALOG “

July 7th, 2011, 7:58 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

WHY DISCUSS
While I do not claim to know, and I am as surprised by the Ambassador’s visit to Hama, I think an additional objective, among the valid ones you highlighted could be protecting both sides from their own follies to avoid further deterioration. It would be naive to believe that the inner circle is not penetrated by US Intelligence, and it is possible that the Ambassador received some information that caused him to take such a bold step. Bare in mind that the foreign minister, master cartographer Muallem (just could not resist a cheep shot), has already protested the un-authorized visit by the Ambassador. His presence should give both sides a pause to think, as they both risk alienating the US. I really do not think that the name of this Friday is a relevant issue. But seeing things with his own eyes, is definitely more than a legitimate reason, it is what any good ambassador would do, if she/he can.

July 7th, 2011, 8:01 pm

 

syau said:

It’s so heart warming to see the Syrian ‘refugees’ in Turkey are treated so well.

July 7th, 2011, 8:01 pm

 

Tara said:

How about because he refused to say -Allah Sourya, Bashar wou Bass?

July 7th, 2011, 8:07 pm

 

SYR.Expat said:

“wants to check with their own eyes”
I don’t think that the American government lacks the resources to know what is really going on that they have to send their own ambassador. Something else is at play here.

July 7th, 2011, 8:09 pm

 

Aboud said:

@6 “Do you think the children killer does not really know what is really happening? ”

History is full of kings who believed too much in their own infallibility, who surrounded themselves with sycophants whose privileges depended on telling The Man what he wanted to hear.

These kings and rulers end up living in a bubble, and when it all comes crashing down, inevitably they blame not themselves, but “traitors” and “conspirators”. Junior is nothing special, just one more in a long line of dictators who lost touch with his people.

“Let them eat cake” comes to mind.

July 7th, 2011, 8:14 pm

 

syau said:

Tara,

This is just for you.

July 7th, 2011, 8:17 pm

 

Aboud said:

@10 “why would they wast two days of beating one minor until they kill him”

Apparently you’ve never, in these four months, taken the time to see a video of the police beating a demonstrator they catch in the streets. They all stop what they were doing, whoever they were chasing, and gather round and beat the life out of him.

It is violence for violence sake, there’s no logic behind it, so kindly don’t look for a logical explanation in Bashar’s prisons.

July 7th, 2011, 8:18 pm

 

jad said:

“It will put the US in better light. As a humanitarian nation that cares about the treatment of Syrians.”

NO COMMENT!

“How about because he refused to say -Allah Sourya, Bashar wou Bass?”

Shar7o!

July 7th, 2011, 8:18 pm

 

why-discuss said:

SYAU

No more Angelina Jolie and the media, they are just forgotten.
As I said the turks want them back home, so they won’t make their life easy in the camps as in the beginning.

July 7th, 2011, 8:20 pm

 

daleandersen said:

Memo to: OFF THE WALL

RE: “…It would be naive to believe that the inner circle is not penetrated by US Intelligence…”

Yes. Very naive. Every thinking Syrian knows that the CIA/Mossad/Salafist/al-Qaeda/Jew/EU/Danish Cartoon/Hariri conspiracy is under every rock and pebble.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dale_Andersen/syrians-flee-opposition-town-hama-government-crackdown-_n_891980_95983081.html

July 7th, 2011, 8:22 pm

 

SYR.Expat said:

“as if the Syrian security needs any evidence for anything to keep someone as their ‘guest’.”

That’s a great line. This is why many Syrians are still demonstrating. Despite all the promises of reform, even the regime loyalists know that the security forces act with impunity.

When it comes to the brutal torture and killing of prisoners, the Syrian regime has a very bad reputation. Let’s not forget how it all started. It was the torture of school children, some as young as 10 years old.

We may not know with absolute certainty what really happened to Tamer while visiting with the mukhabarat, may God have mercy on him, but it’s the government that has a lot of explaining to do.

July 7th, 2011, 8:25 pm

 

EHSANI2 said:

Dear Off The Wall,

The ICG full report is one of the finest documents produced on this crisis. It is very detailed, broad, thorough and devastating.

July 7th, 2011, 8:26 pm

 

SYR.Expat said:

“It’s so heart warming to see the Syrian ‘refugees’ in Turkey are treated so well”
A lot better than the treatment at the hands of the Syrian security forces:

July 7th, 2011, 8:30 pm

 

syau said:

Why Discuss,

One day in mainstream media, Angelina should have coincided the visit with a big budget Hollywood blockbuster.

I agree they want them to return, but why only allow them back in small numbers, didn’t they run out of Adonna kebabs?

July 7th, 2011, 8:32 pm

 

abughassan said:

there is a reason why many Syrians,including prominent Alawis,were not happy with Bashar’s appointment as president. Ghazi Kinaan and others felt that he is not qualified or tested to rule a country like Syria. Some in Bashar’s circle spreaded rumors that he will merely be a member of a ruling committee that will later choose a president,those rumors were probably a test baloon launched by his own supporters. Those who say that Bashar “lost his legitimacy” forget that he was not legitimate from day one but so was almost every ruler in the Arab and Islamic world. Bashar is still needed today not because because his removal without the approval of the army and security chiefs mean a national disaster. The ball is in the hands of the army and security chiefs who have not yet given up on the man for a number of reasons. I,from day one,declared my suspicion that he is not in charge,that does not mean he is innocent,and that he is a figure head. he posseses certain personal qualities that won him the support of many Syrians who until March 18th did not dare to dream of a regime change,but that is not enough to be president. The big question is not whether he is legitimate or not,he is NOT,the big question is how to spare the country a blood bath,and only the army is able to end this crisis as long as the regime remains unable or unwilling to declare in simple ARABIC that Bashar is a transitional president and his only job is to stay president until new elections are held. the elections for the PA will not be held in August,instead,a new political party law will be presented within weeks and get approved paving the way for free elections followed by presidential elections,anything else will not be acceptable,Syria is too precious to be sold to a person, a family or a regime. Watch for a new army of opportunists headed by islamists who are eager to take over and bring Syria back to the Middle ages or push ahead for the land of the unknown. Only a unified responsible army and moderate secular patriotic Syrians can get us out of this mess. The coming “dialogue” confress on Sunday has failed before it started,and the honorable thing to do for Al-sharaa and other relatively “benign” regime figures is to announce that article-8 is dead,elections are coming,and give a date, and that Syrians should get ready to practice their god-given right of freedom without the “devine” intervention of the MB,Ar’our gang and the new Talibans.
Hama is a test for Bashar,my hope is that he will not ask the army to enter the city,but in return,Hamwis have to allow regular police and government workers to do their job and nobody must be allowed to burn/destroy properties or carry guns.
I was not planning on saying this much,but enough is enough…
FYI,more than 90% of my contacts,alawi and sunni,are on the same page,most Syrians love Syria but some have a funny way of showing it 🙂

July 7th, 2011, 8:33 pm

 

Aboud said:

@24

Agreed, but I doubt anyone in the regime will bother reading it, they could have learned alot from it.

@27 “Syrians love Syria but some have a funny way of showing it ”

Hehehe, that my friend is the wisest thing I’ve read on this website.

July 7th, 2011, 8:33 pm

 

why-discuss said:

OTW, SYR-EXPAT

Mollaem protests could be part of scenario to show some kind of independence of the ambassador. It think it could simply be a trap for the hardine opposition. Moallem is smart.
The USA has been pushing Bashar for dialog and he has been saying that Hama’s protesters don’t want dialog, they want anarchy.
Protesters in Hama may very well confirm that, unless they make last minutes changes and instead of calling for Bashar’s overthrow they change their slogans and call for dialog. I doubt that especially in a “NO DIALOG” friday.
All the world’s media will watch and report that. That could be a breakthrough for either side.

July 7th, 2011, 8:35 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

DALE
You are being silly. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I would in fact consider the US intelligence in dereliction of duty if it can not have some source of information in the inner circles of every country where there is significant US interests including friendly ones. This is their job, gathering information. They are not called spies to be concerned about conspiracy theories. It does not mean they are moving things and exercising influence or control the way you are trying to frame my comment, that is the job of diplomats. Information is important to make informed decisions.

July 7th, 2011, 8:38 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Two indispensable articles on the subject:

http://www.maskofzion.com/2011/07/kiss-of-democratic-death-israels-plot.html
http://www.maskofzion.com/2011/07/kiss-of-democratic-death-israels-plot_06.html

Now this is analysis. Idealises leadership a little too much, but gets the point across steadily.

By the way, MAWAL95, your personal attack is noted.

July 7th, 2011, 8:40 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau

The boy is adorable.

July 7th, 2011, 8:41 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

why-discuss,

The reason for the visit is to encourage the crowd and to make new MB terror contacts. They’re desperate to prolong this crisis through any means possible.

July 7th, 2011, 8:47 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

WHY DISCUSS
Do you see merit in the possibility that the US did not want things to get to a decisive point (breakthrough) before the US has formed policy. Here is a possible rational.

It could be argued that an escalation of military operations (HAMA 2) can go either way. It can either snap the regime’s control over Damascus, Aleppo, or both, which will put the regime on accelerated count-down from that point on. Or it could scare other communities into the dialog table with the regime having, as it hopes to, the upper hand to continue dragging its feet on reform.

Nothing happening but peaceful demonstration tomorrow in the presence of the Ambassador, can be used by both side to their advantage, thereby prolonging the stalemate and giving the US a continuing leverage over the regime and the uprising. The regime would not look like it yielded to the demonstrator, because you can count on Addunyia and other venues to spin it in way that makes it look like the regime has in all its wisdom avoided the trap.

It is confusing.

July 7th, 2011, 8:49 pm

 

N.Z. said:

#27

I am sorry to inform you, that this regime has taken us back to the stone ages in terms of our advancement and rankings, and to the middle ages in terms of torturing and barbarism.

If I understand you:
The devil you know is better than the devil you do not know. we want change, but not now. He made mistakes, but the others are far worse.

In short, we do not want him, but let us keep him?

Perhaps your creative thoughts should be conveyed to the protestors, they might find guidance?

July 7th, 2011, 8:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

I can imagine that the ambassedor(Ford) called Muallem verifying that the troops were indeed not going to Hama,after insisting,Muallem must have said if you dont believe me go yourself and find out, the ambasswedor immidiately took that offer.
This is just imagination, it could be Muallem did that to warn Maher to avoid hurting Hama,
i am sure we will know the real truth soon.
Those who make mistake ,loose.

July 7th, 2011, 8:55 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

I do not believe that the US shares your views of the demonstrators in Hama being anarchists just because they are calling for Bashar overthrow. The visit may simply be to let Bashar knows that they are watching him..closely.

July 7th, 2011, 8:57 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

While the flies buzz around, here’s what the Syrian government says:

http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/08/357160.htm

Official Source at the Foreign Ministry: Presence of the US Ambassador in Hama without Prior Permission of the Foreign Ministry is Clear Evidence of US Involvement in Syria Events

DAMASCUS, (SANA)-Commenting on the statement of the US State Department spokesperson on Thursday on the US Ambassador in Damascus Robert Ford heading to Hama, an official source at the Foreign Ministry said:

”The presence of the US ambassador in Hama city without obtaining a prior permission from the Foreign Ministry as stipulated by instructions distributed repeatedly to all the embassies is clear evidence of the US involvement in the ongoing events in Syria and its bids to aggravate the situations which destabilize Syria.”

The source added ”As Syria alerts to the danger of such irresponsible behavior, it stresses, irrespective of such conduct, its resolve to continue to take all the measures needed to restore security and stability in the country.”

M. Ismael

July 7th, 2011, 8:57 pm

 

why-discuss said:

SYAU

It is very mysterious why they are allowing small groups. Maybe the syrians on the other side want to scrutinize who is returning. I just wonder what would happen to these army deserters who appeared in the media. I doubt they would dare to go back. What a tragedy.

July 7th, 2011, 8:59 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

Dear EHSANI2
Agree, by far it is the most rational piece of work I have seen so far. It is damning. I am very eager for the second part of the report, although the first part already delved into the regime’s response in a reasonable level of details.

July 7th, 2011, 9:06 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

They’re not really army deserters. The army wasn’t even in the city when they “deserted” to tell their story. I can’t believe how many western observers fell for this hook line and sinker.

Baby incubators all over again.

July 7th, 2011, 9:07 pm

 

abughassan said:

The problems I have with some people on this blog is that I am willing to forget what is important,immediate regime change,but remember what is more important: keeping Syria in one piece and away from a civil war. Unless the army takes over,like in Egypt,nobody will be able to remove Bashar,may be if the pressure intensifies the army will change its position but I am not willing to take that risk if it involves the loss of thousands of lives,or more. I will support such a move by the army NOW but I am not the army and none of you here is.A sixth grader would know by now that this regime can not be removed immediately and by force,but some insist on staying in a state of denial for different reasons. Keeping pressure on this regime through peaceful means is necessary to get to where we want: a democratic and free syria,trying to put the country on fire will burn everybody. I do not want to have to choose between albaath and the MB,some of you have made their choice already,I want a secular democracy,and this “S” word seems to be hated by some and difficult to understand by others.
BTW,the army has not entered hama yet and I hope that it will not,aljazeera is lying again,and this time it is about two hamwis who were “ran over by tanks”. Aljazeera also hosted a speaker for the EU parliament,and the guy was pathetic and reminded me why only Syrians can solve their problems and why Europe is becoming increasingly irrelevant,however,it is still on the map 🙂

July 7th, 2011, 9:10 pm

 

Samara said:

Its funny how the losty who wrote this article says that support for the regime is falling. I mean, were all those millions of people, millions of people, who rallied in his support recently in Syria, and the thousands of those rallying internationally, were they rallying to show that they are losing faith in their leader? Were they rallying to show that Bashar no longer has their support? Yeh, because millions and millions of people chanting “Allah, Souria, Bashar ou bass” are in fact showing how much they hate him. They are showing how much the regime has lost their support. Wow.

SYAU,
That little boy was sooo cute!! Allah, Souria, Bashar ou bass!

July 7th, 2011, 9:12 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>I do not want to have to choose between albaath and the MB,some of you have made their choice already,I want a secular democracy,and this “S” word seems to be hated by some and difficult to understand by others.

Not going to happen without dialog, which is what the MB supporters are pushing against.

It’s a shame that Michael Kilo and friends will not attend dialog. They’re letting their country down. We’re not going to let terrorists take over the streets. Violent terrorism is being suppressed, not peaceful demonstrations.

abughassan,

The only map that Europe is on is a military map. 😉

July 7th, 2011, 9:13 pm

 

syau said:

Why Discuss,

I think Turkey was a safety net for some, a deal including assylum and a nice cheque to ‘tell their story’ and defame the Syrian government. Also, an easy way out of compulsory duty if any were actually serving, but I doubt many were, maybe one or two.

July 7th, 2011, 9:17 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

It is not possible for a diplomat to go in areas that are under military control unless he gets a permission and he got it.
Is it a coincidence that Sunday is the supposed meeting with 240 opposition leaders?
There is more to it than letting Bashar know he is watched, the opposition behavior will be watched too.
In my view the involvement of the USA may play in favor of the government even if they appear shocked. If Ford observes that Hama and other ‘restive’ cities are against any kind of dialog , he may move closer to the moderate opposition leaders and offer guarantees to for the sunday meeting.
If on the other hand, he sees violence and criticizes Bashar, he will be accused of being under the control of Israel and that the opposition is ‘sold’ to the zionists. Then the USA may force Bashar out by deligitimazing him with chaotic consequences.

Unless on friday the security elements show excessive violence against peaceful protesters in my view, the visit of the ambassador may be a win for the government.

July 7th, 2011, 9:18 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

ABUGHASSAN
Europe may be politically less relevant now, but what do you think about its relevance to future economic recovery?

MAJED
As for the Ambassador’s visit, I think you make common sense. In all cases, news that costs you money today, will be free tomorrow. I will think no more about it. I am not good in intrigue and conspiracies.

July 7th, 2011, 9:30 pm

 

abughassan said:

Kilo and Dalila and others made the right decision,they have to be credible and must not negotiate with the regime until some basic demands are met. Some opposition figures,however,need to be reasonable and give the regime room to breathe but I suspect that what those extremists,i am not referring to the MB because they are not invited,may not want a dialogue in the first place. My best judgement is that the regime will make more concessions very soon to win the seculars over and isoltae those who pretend they want a dialogue but they never accepted the idea. The conference on Sunday will not achieve much.

July 7th, 2011, 9:30 pm

 

N.Z. said:

# 36,

I do like your analysis, it makes sense. I was stunned when I heard Muallem saying that the tanks where not heading to Hama but on their way to … One of many stupid mistake, however this one, if not stopped will have been another mass murder.

#44,

Michel Kilo, is a man who put his life on line, still is, long before the protesters.
It is this regime and their supporters that are letting their country down. How canhe have a dialog with mass murderer/torturer?

July 7th, 2011, 9:34 pm

 

abughassan said:

I was not very happy with Almouallem strong language but the guy and many Syrians were angry at the EU. Europe is on the map but they will only invest if they can make money or gain political influence. Syrians are pragmatic and they are fully able to “forget” if they see a benefit of “forgetting”,but Bashar needs to go. I want him to go gradually and peacefully and I do not want blood shed. He is a liability for Syria now.

July 7th, 2011, 9:35 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

WD,

Hama is not under military control. Far from it, the city is blockaded by bricks and tyre-fueled fires. This is a serious breech of diplomacy and as the government says, really proves the US involvement in this entire crisis.

I hope some of you have started waking up to this fact.

July 7th, 2011, 9:37 pm

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Some suggestions for mr Ford during his Hama vacation:
-Meeting with the soldier’ s public hangers,may be they can be given green card
On H1 visa,being so specialized and professional in public hanging and then hitting the body with stick and lifting it up and down.these freedom fighters deserve all the sympathy from the free world.
-listening to some beautiful Syrian chants(mr ford is good in Arabic ):
نسوانن للكيف. ورجالن للسيف
Or:
المسيحيه عابيروت. العلويه بالتابوت
Or Hama historical chant:
لاونوس ولا طنوس. وحدتنا اسلاميه
-if mr ford visits any Christian nieghberhood in or around Hama (without MB present)he will find out how Sunnis are harassing them and intimidating them
If they don’t support there criminal activities.
-would mr ford allow what is being done in Hama,done in Syria.it is humiliating to the Syrian government and to the American government to have the ambassador of the leader of the free world go through a check point of a gangs.
-This is another political plyer used by the us to get political products.
PS:Aboud don’t respond to my post,I don’t talk with pigs.

July 7th, 2011, 9:40 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

Knowing Hama’s history especially after the brutal killing of the singer, it would be extremely unlikely for the Hamwis to call for anything tomorrow but the overthrow of Bashar. I don’t think their position will change because the US is watching. On the other hand, I think Bashar will successfully curb the security apparatus from being violent towards the demonstrators just because of uncle Sam is watching.

If I was the one leading the demonstration in Hama tomorrow, I would work very hard to have Hama demonstrates in it’s entirety to show the world their perseverance to achieve their goal taking advantage of the forced ” lack of violence” that Bashar will have to comply with.

July 7th, 2011, 9:42 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Note how they keep bringing up this singer like he’s the only man in Syria without actually providing proof that security forces did it. A slit throat is a sure sign of MB/Salafist involvement. Maybe his chants didn’t include enough of their favourite Qur’anic verses?

#52

I can hear the chants now:

Allah, ikhwanah, Ford woo bass
Allah, ikhwanah, Ford woo bass
Allah, ikhwanah, Ford woo bass

The public hangers indeed will be granted not only a green card, but DoD jobs where they can kill other innocent people all around the world.

July 7th, 2011, 9:44 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

More bad news, anti-Syrians:

Turkish Youth Union Delegation: We Stand by Syria against Conspiracy

DAMASCUS, (SANA)-Chairman of the National Union of Syrian Students Ammar Saati underlined the important relations binding the Union and the Turkish Youth Union and the brotherly relations between the Syrian and Turkish people.

During his meeting on Thursday with the Turkish Youth Union delegation who is paying a solidarity visit to Syria, Saati said that the social and historical relations between the two peoples will remain unaffected by transient circumstances.

He also stressed the importance that the delegation inspect the reality of the events in Syria away from the media fabrications, affirming that the awareness of the Syrian people was able to foil the conspiracy.

For his part, Chairman of the Turkish Youth Union Ilker Yucel said Syria is being targeted by a conspiracy which aims at undermining its steadfastness and principled stances, in an attempt to carry out the New Middle East scheme, voicing the Union’s backing to Syria against the conspiracy. M. Ismael

———

Even these Turks, who are under 24/7 lie stream by their media can see reality. Oh oh, maybe they’re Ba’athists right?

Get back in your kennels.

July 7th, 2011, 9:49 pm

 

Tara said:

Kandahar,

Can you please link any clip you may have in regard to Christians to Beirut….

I have asked in the past and got no answer. Dose that link exist?

July 7th, 2011, 9:54 pm

 

syau said:

Syrian Commando #31,

Thanks for the links. History repeating itself, only with a few more players added in this plot.

Tara,

Seeing that you enjoyed the chants/melodies from the Hama protesters, I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on this particular chant نسوانن للكيف. ورجالن للسيف

July 7th, 2011, 10:03 pm

 

why-discuss said:

SC, Tara

Do you think an ambassador will go to a place where ‘a massacre’ will be perpetrated? Where there is a danger for his life?
Do you think he is going there as a hero to prevent the ‘massacre’ to happen and risking his life. US ambassadors are no heroes or martyrs.

He is going because he is sure that nothing of that sort will happen and by doing so, he is dispelling all the media outbursts predicting a Hama 2 and a horrible butchery to be blamed on the government.
By doing so, don’t you think he is making a great favor to the government as he seems to trust they won’t use violence?
I am convinced that the USA is on Bashar’s side and wants to force the opposition into dialog with him. Same as Turkey’s strategy

Now this is the test: If the army gets violent without provocation as it has been accused all along, then it is a different story…

July 7th, 2011, 10:04 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau,

Prove it.

Send me the link, and only then I will give you my opinion.

July 7th, 2011, 10:12 pm

 

syau said:

Tara,

Thats ok, you just did, and as I expected. Thanks.

July 7th, 2011, 10:16 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

The international media would not be impressed by the lack of atrocities on the regime side in the presence of a US ambassador. It is quite expected and would not be hailed as anything positive to the regime. That is my opinion and I could be wrong. Few hours and will see what happens.

July 7th, 2011, 10:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau,

Explain what you mean by ” you just did as expected ” please.

July 7th, 2011, 10:26 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Analysis: Arab silence at Syria crackdown speaks volumes

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-arab-silence-syria-crackdown-speaks-volumes-161105450.html

…..Assad’s opponents have predicted a national uprising unless the government ends the bloodshed, but some of the demonstrators seem to want reforms, not a revolution, and there is little sign of a reformist government in waiting being formed.

An organised rebel leadership emerged in Libya in just days. Syria’s opposition groups are divided over the way forward.

Western governments led by France have condemned the bloodshed in Syria but have shown no appetite for military intervention that could tip the scales away from the government.

“Western powers see Syria as far too central for their stability, which ends up mattering more than their rhetoric on liberalization and democratization,” said Khalili. “That is why Israel is also quite silent.”

July 7th, 2011, 10:29 pm

 

Norman said:

I wonder if history is repeating itself and as in the seventies and eighties when Hama was the brain behind that uprising , Hama is the brain behind this uprising .

The problem that the president and the government are waiting for the opposition who does not seem willing to help the regime plan the change that is needed in Syria , That will not come the president has to move and announce the reform that he sees fit for the country and let the opposition jump on the bang-wagon and join the political process, If they join the process they will have a voice in planing the future , if they don’t it will be their fault, still they will join the next time around.

July 7th, 2011, 10:30 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#63 why-discuss,

To summarise the main point this article wants to inject into your psyche: “There is no conspiracy. This is all an internal problem, no war is on the horizon”.

Incidentally, all false. Arab government may not be saying much publically from their heads of state but the behind the scenes action they’re committing tells a different story. Morning breaks soon.

I urge you to read these two links with my usual disclaimer:

http://www.maskofzion.com/2011/07/kiss-of-democratic-death-israels-plot.html
http://www.maskofzion.com/2011/07/kiss-of-democratic-death-israels-plot_06.html

July 7th, 2011, 10:37 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau,

Can you please understand that I honestly and sincerely do not see Alawis any differently from Sunnis and I do not have the slightest hatred or dislike or lack of respect or.., or, or.. In my heart towards them. I condemn with the strongest possible language even an unspoken gesture of degrading Alawis, let alone actually threatening their families or lives.

It is sad that you just can not understand.

July 7th, 2011, 10:44 pm

 

873 said:

11. Akbar Palace said:
When the Syrian democracy is in place, they should create a postage stamp in honor of Tamer Mohammed al-Sharei.

You and “Tara” are typical Israeli hypocrites. Why dont you get your own sadists in line? Clean up your own act, then preach and gloat.

When the Palestinian State is declared they should make a postage stamp to honor this little boy:

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50907&hd=&size=1&l=e

July 7th, 2011, 10:54 pm

 

syau said:

Tara #66,

Thats good to know, The chants are disgusting and inhumane, and are one example of the evil sectarianism in this ‘revolution’, but not what I was referring to. If you can’t figure it out, that is what is sad.

July 7th, 2011, 10:58 pm

 

why-discuss said:

SC

There are many theories about that as the situation is complex and the forces in presence powerful.
I am not sure I am convinced by this one. While Israel wants to weaken Hezbollah they don’t want to see Syria becoming another ‘democratic’ arab country respected by the West that would be listened to in international circles.
Until now Syria has been considered as a rogue, terrorist country and its voice is hardly listened in international arenas.
The moment Syria becomes credible, Israel is in trouble and if Syria becomes more antagonistic ( with MB in power) then Israel is also in trouble. No wonder they prefer the status quo.

July 7th, 2011, 10:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau,

Is it too personal to ask what you are referring too?

My back ground is not in psychology. It is in …..cooking as you know.

July 7th, 2011, 11:08 pm

 

873 said:

58. why-discuss said:
SC, Tara
“Do you think an ambassador will go to a place where ‘a massacre’ will be perpetrated? Where there is a danger for his life?”

Not sure about that. The US Ambassador is going to oversee an opposition movement he helped create and would love to see it result in a coup.

It smacks of Amb Jon Huntsman’s behavior in Beijing. The US Embassy had set up a “China freedom” website for “reform” calling for mass freedom protests- all the usual b.s. like we’ll see in Syria tomorrow.
But in this case, a very angry protester spotted Huntsman lurking around and confronted him, saying “Are you trying to foment trouble in China? Do you want to see China in chaos and disorder?” and half-invited, half-booted him out of the square. Very interesting youtube clip via an apolitical, business website.

July 7th, 2011, 11:09 pm

 

Tara said:

873,

Would you please explain the conspiracy theory behind the fact that I simply do not declare myself as Israeli when you think I am one?

July 7th, 2011, 11:16 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

WD,

>The moment Syria becomes credible, Israel is in trouble and if Syria becomes more antagonistic ( with MB in power) then Israel is also in trouble. No wonder they prefer the status quo.

I’m beginning to suspect that you’re a level 2 disinformation agent.

MB has already sent one of their men to Bernard Levy’s zionist love parade. Syria will be far from antagonistic to Israel and will break apart if these head cutter are ever given even a small amount of power. No Syrian, outside the MB cheerleader club (<10% of population), will accept this. I don't know why you keep pushing for it, but I'm beginning to be suspicious.

Whether we are "democratic" or not, no one on their side of the earth will listen to us. Might makes right, the only way we can communicate effecitvely is through high caliber rounds and missiles. No one listened to Chile on September 11, 1973, when the USA took down its democratically elected government through a military coup. No one at all.

July 7th, 2011, 11:18 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara, SC, Norman

Ford in Hama to ‘establish contact with the opposition”

Lebanese newspaper L’Orient-le jour says that
According to a high level US official who wants to remain anonymous, Robert Ford is in Hama to “establish contact” with the opposition.
” We want to know who these people are, what type of political process and future of their country they are aspiring to. We must establish contact with them and that what the ambassador is doing there.”

That’s what I suspected, he is there to watch the opposition and evaluate how organized they are, if they have a program or they are just anarchists.
Any ideas who is he going to meet?

American Ambassador to Syria Visits Focal Point in Uprising
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/world/middleeast/08syria.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

July 7th, 2011, 11:18 pm

 

873 said:

5. Aboud said:
“Never in living history. Not even the Israelis would have treated him that way had he murdered Netanyahu with his bare hands.”

As an AIPAC-Arab you have to be the biggest sayan joke on this forum- even more so than AIG/AP!

IDF Castrator Earns Second-Highest National Award
Richard Silverstein

Tikun Olam, July 7, 2011

One of Israel’s most decorated and veteran officers, Amos Horev, recently earned the ‘Security of Israel Prize’ for Lifetime Achievement (Hebrew) in a ceremony presided over by Pres. Shimon Peres and defense minister Ehud Barak. This is the second highest national award offered after the Israel Prize. Among his achievements, he was also president of the Technion and a trusted booster of the Israeli armaments industry. Those of you who read this blog regularly may remember that Horev was among the younger of the octogenarians and nonagenarians appointed to the Turkel Commission, which did its duty by whitewashing the Mavi Marmara massacre, finding Israel’s siege of Gaza was just and the killings aboard the Turkish humanitarian vessel likewise justified.

But one of the most infamous incidents in Horev’s military career goes all the way back to the mid-1940s, when he served in the Palmach at a time when a notorious sexual assault occurred in which the victim of the attempted rape was a Jewish kibbutznik. Through intelligence data, the authorities identified a local Israeli Arab they believed had committed the crime. Presuming that legal justice would be insufficient to punish the alleged perpetrator, and that the Biblical dictum of an eye for an eye and a penis for a rape would better apply, Horev commanded a unit which kidnapped the man and castrated him on the spot, after they learned the proper medical procedures from an Israeli medical doctor [!].

Not only was the incident not suppressed, it became the subject of a famous pop song whose lyrics (though bowdlerized to protect the sensitive ears of Israeli womanhood, I suppose) were on the lips of all Israeli Jews, much as those of Justin Bieber are on the lips of all impressionable young American girls.

Horev certainly earned his award for whitewashing the Mavi Marmara and thereby doing a great service to his country. But the notion of offering Israel’s second most prestigious national award to a man made famous for castrating an Israeli Palestinian leaves the bitterest of tastes in one’s mouth. If truth be told, Amos Horev engaged in state-sanctioned terror way back when, and his nation he rewarded him handsomely for it. Can you imagine Lt. William Calley being awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom? I say it reeks.

At the time of his appointement to the Turkel inquiry, I wrote this:

…The next time any supporter of Israel’s draconian policies rants about Arab terror, let them consider for a moment the rather sordid past of some of Israel’s current élite. If those who engaged in acts of terror like Horev can play major roles in their nation’s subsequent history, there is no reason why those Israel currently labels dangerous, murderous terrorists cannot do the same in Palestine.

Unnamed IDF prize bestowed on unnamed woman for unnamed reason (Arik Hermoni/ministry of defense)

At the same time as Horev received his award, the IDF also bestowed an award (Hebrew) on a “mystery woman” whose identity, rank, and service branch were under gag. The reason she earned her prize was under wraps. Which prize she earned was verboten too. She even wore civilian clothes so as to conceal her entire military identity. The author of the Ynet article even believes the name under which she was called to the podium was false. But he does note that she received her award among others bestowed on military intelligence, so that may be inferred as her service branch.

July 7th, 2011, 11:21 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

The way the US “establishes contact”, should be seen by the Iran contra episode, the Afghan “resistance” and so on. They don’t establish contact for the benefit of their enemy country.

The LAST thing they want is dialog and real democracy for Syria.

It’s time to wake up: the USA is an evil empire and they have us in their rectile.

873,

I still laugh when I see people correspond with him like he’s a Syrian.

July 7th, 2011, 11:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

Commando said:

“I am beginning to suspect that you are a level 2 misinformation agent”. Did you read that?

Keep going. Few more posts and we both will be having lunch in Tel Aviv. I am already there.

July 7th, 2011, 11:28 pm

 

Abughassan said:

The nature of political Islam and the history of MB added to the fact that Syria is a third world country with a diverse population all make it critical that a collapse of law and order is not permitted. The lesser of two evils is accepting a peaceful and gradual change of regime. Those who want another Iraq in Syria will be the first to blame “others” if things deteriorate into a status of total chaos and bloodshed. Cool heads,not hot blood,is what Syria needs today.

July 7th, 2011, 11:30 pm

 

873 said:

This does not surprise me. Esp w/ Ahmedinejad at the helm. He has called repeatedly for a “New World Order”. I thought years ago that he was working for the other side; his words and behavior too damaging to Iran and too useful in justifying the bombing of Iran.
What does it mean for Syria? Possible tradeoff whereby Iran is ‘accepted’ for the price of letting Israel demolish the Palestinians for once and for all? Something like that…

NATO Parliamentary Assembly convenes with representative from Iran
Islamic Republic News Agency/IRNA

Rome, Italy, July 5, IRNA — Special Group for the Mediterranean and the Middle East of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s Parliamentary Assembly convened on Monday with representative from the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Representatives from 25 countries will discuss the latest political and security issues in Mediterranean, Middle East and Persian Gulf during the two-day event.

This the first time that representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran is attending the NATO meeting.

Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Euro-American Affairs Ali Ahani is scheduled to deliver a speech during the event.

The NATO Parliamentary Assembly is the inter-parliamentary organization of legislators from the member countries of the North Atlantic Alliance as well as 14 associate members.

The Assembly provides a critical forum for international parliamentary dialogue on an array of security, political and economic matters.

Its principal objective is to foster mutual understanding among Alliance parliamentarians of the key security challenges facing the transatlantic partnership.

July 7th, 2011, 11:41 pm

 

Revlon said:

7. DEAR, WHY-DISCUSS?
Thank you for addressing the question to the opposition and loyalists and for offering your answers?
“ Why do you think Ambassador Ford is in Hama for the Friday “NO DIALOG’ demonstrations?”

Your answer: :
“ I think that the USA before making any flip fatal to Bashar wants to check with their own eyes the real nature of these demonstrations in Hama and the reaction of the security officers: No more fake videos, eye witnesses and bla bla on TV channels” He will see the real thing”

I wonder!
Who is going to provide the security for his entourage? Is it not Jr’s Bruital security forces?
Is it not logical that they would be able move around their stage of bruitality to evade the Ambassador’s entourage?

Where is Mr Robert Ford supposed to be positioned to supervise events that spread across a circle 10Km wide?
How is he supposed to assess who is making the shooting?
Is he going to to be able to speak to demonstrators in privacy and safety and nonymity?

The bottom line is, The US, and especially Mr Ford already know all they want to know about the Syrian revolution, the activists and their motives, and who is doing the atrocities.

You said:
“The fact that the government has allowed such an important person in Hama while the media are not allowed shows that the government is confident that what Ford will see will be at its advantage”

I ask:
would you still be positive about Mr Ford’s visit should it later prove otherwise?

Second, Here is How I wiould read the contradiction:
The regime has never allowed free access of fact finding missions, whether by media or diplomatic missions from any source; It shows their true ugly face!

This will be a historic event.
It will provide a rare and a first hand demonstration to the ordinary people of Hama and Syria at large of the capability of the US to play a positive humanitarian role in Syria.
It will also serve to fill in a void in leadership by calling for calm and attempting to dissipate the flaring tension and encouraging perseverance in sticking to peaceful activism and demonstrations.

Second, The US strategy of handling the Syrian crisis is powered by their interest in promoting regional stability.

Third, I do not know why Jr has allowed it. It could be one or more of the following:
– Christian lobbies, both in Syria and the US might have played a role, with or without offering a carrot.
– Credible intelligence information may have sparked fears of impending, excessive regime crackdown this coming Friday, that could escalate into a civil war, threatening regional stability.
– The neighborhoods that Mr Ford will visit and the people he will speak to shall shed more light on this historic move.

I commend the US, represented by Ambassador Mr. Ford for his brave plan and I wish him safe expedition.

July 7th, 2011, 11:44 pm

 

louai said:

can everybody see how the comment section is constructive and meaningful when the Zionists did not start their shift yet?touch wood!

i have no idea why this Ford was allowed to Hama when the state is absent there, interesting question by Revlon, who will provide security to Ford? if something happens to him who to blame?

July 7th, 2011, 11:55 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#79

Iran is playing a very devious game, I don’t think the western intelligence agencies will see it coming, because when it hits it’s going to be far too late to undo the political damage.

The most intelligent western thinker, Brzezinski feels the same way, but he doesn’t know enough about what is going on to realise how the same game that’s being played by the west, is being played on it. Will be interesting if he figures it out before he passes away from old age.

#81

I’m afraid zionists are in full force…

July 8th, 2011, 12:02 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

I would prefer a breakfast at Tiffany’s but I am only at level 2, I need to work harder to get to level 1. You are already near the top, lucky you!

July 8th, 2011, 12:11 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#83

Level 2, is deeper and requires more intelligence, just FYI. 😉

I’m not saying you are, it’s just that your analysis always seem to break down in a way that is against the real interests of Syria.

July 8th, 2011, 12:13 am

 

why-discuss said:

SC

Bashar was about to make peace with Israel, you forgot. He is an asset for the US, they will not let him down unless they know who will come after and what are their position vis a vis peace with Israel.That’s exactly what Ford went to Hama to find out.

July 8th, 2011, 12:16 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

What is this, the joke section? (;

They need to go to Hama, when the leaders of the MB are in London and are under their orders and control?

Please, don’t make me laugh.

July 8th, 2011, 12:18 am

 

why-discuss said:

SC

I take it as a compliment. Be assured that my interest is Syria first. I am boycotting the zionists on this blog either by not replying to their attack or replying by a sound, that’s all they deserve.

July 8th, 2011, 12:20 am

 

why-discuss said:

sc

The x-opposition is dead.. they burned themselves in Antalya, they have no credibility anywhere, least with the US.
The local opposition is what matters for the american and for Syria, not this moron in sweden or the MB clique in Paris with Khaddam!

July 8th, 2011, 12:24 am

 

Tara said:

Why,

” level 2 is deeper and requires more intelligence ….Your analysis always seem to break down in a way that is against the real interests of Syria”

Outstanding. Loved it! Getting better by the second.

Breakfast at Tiffany’s it is… Shortly!

July 8th, 2011, 12:24 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#88

Fair enough, I understand where you’re coming from now, but would you not say that the MB has a huge power base in Hama?

Let us say, for argument’s sake, that the protest-leaders in Hama are genuinely trying to make Syria stronger. Why would they welcome one of our biggest enemies (the USA)? Why would they allow him to enter the city with open arms? If they just want to have a word, have you considered the possibility that he is instructing them in ways that will harm Syria?

Is this not direct US interference in a way that no one can now deny? Has the west’s narrative not broken apart already? They’re probably just thinking “f**k it, just tell them to create havoc directly, we’ll take over from there”.

July 8th, 2011, 12:33 am

 

Abughassan said:

Amb Ford did not go to Hama on his own. He asked to go and was allowed to. He will be protected by Syrian forces and was given security assurances by the locals. If he gets harmed it will not be the Syria security or the locals who have done it. I have no problem with his visit, he will be a better reporter than aljazeera.the statement by the mofa in Syria was required as an ACM,test your English..

July 8th, 2011, 12:59 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

SC
The US is not Syria’s enemy,and it should’t.Syria and the US had relations for about a century.Syria is not Iran,and the US goal is to separate them,which you can’t blame her,because it is within the national interests of the US.George bush used the stick and stick policy with Syria,and it did not work,Obama tried some carrots with sticks and it did not work.what we have now is sticks and sticks and onions policy.Labelling the US as an enemy is not something you can survive with in the 21st century,the USSR is dead dinosaur now,and Russia will sell Syria for a big bottle of vodka,and for the Chinese elephant,Syria is just an ante,they will step on us without even knowing that they did so.the bottom line is we are not Iran and we should نمد أجرينا علا قد بساطنا.

July 8th, 2011, 1:04 am

 

873 said:

1. Akbar Palace said:
ZIA: Zionists in Action
The Zionists are advancing toward Tripoli.
Another Arab despot is in danger.
World Zionist Council applauds, recommends special prayer service for victory, more blood-filled Purim cookies ordered from the caterer…”

On a prior thread you mentioned the notorious Elders of Zion publication? Funny, I had never bothered to read the book but have heard of it for years. Since you recommended it, I dug it up online. You are right, some of it seems very relevant. Who knew? Guess I should have listened and read it sooner. This passage even sounds like the Color Revolutions, esp Syria:

“Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply, whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opposition has itself been infected with the idea of freedom… It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears: the slackened reins of government are caught up immediately by a new Hand… and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old authority, already weakened…”

[Now would the ‘new’/’old’ be the likes of US backed regime defector Khaddam?] The paragraph continues:

“In our day the power which has replaced that of the rulers is the power of Gold… It is enough to hand over a people to self-government for a certain length of time for that people to be turned into a disorganized mob. [Aggravated by external infiltrators and ‘diplomats/journalists’?] From that moment on we get internecine strife which soon develops into battles between classes, in the midst of which States burn down and their sovereignty is reduced to that of a heap of ashes.

Whether a State exhausts itself in its own convulsions, whether it’s internal discord brings it under the power of external foes- in any case it can be accounted irretrievably lost: it is in our power. The despotism of Capital [would that be World Bank & IMF?], which is entirely in our hands, reaches out to it a straw that the State willy-nilly must take hold of: if not- it goes to the bottom.”

[…After starving the country with informal boycotts and UN official sanctions? A PERFECT description of the formula used on Saddam and M.E.]

Akhbar, you have more on the ball than I thought! I decided to tackle this pamphlet in English and not Arabic because the Arab translation may be slanted against jews and jesuits. I want to be fair.

Will update with pertinent passages. Thanks for the tip!

July 8th, 2011, 1:21 am

 

daleandersen said:

Memo To: WHY-DISCUSS

RE: “…I am boycotting the zionists on this blog…”

To the great relief of all the closet Jews who read Syria Comment…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dale_Andersen/syrians-flee-opposition-town-hama-government-crackdown-_n_891980_95983081.html

July 8th, 2011, 1:27 am

 

syau said:

Syria no Kandahar,

I don’t think Syria is an ant, if it was, there wouldn’t be this conspiracy against it, and attempts to prevent it from being a powerhouse in the region would not be at play.

Realpolitik must triumph over ethical values under any circumstances in Syria. Thankfully that is what some of the regional countries are working with, so sense will prevail.

Syria is strategically situated. That is what the US/rael is interested in. It won’t be sold for a bottle of vodka; Syria is much more matured and worth a whole lot more, and it’s legs have a long reach, so it can stretch away. That is what is worrying them and that is one of the reasons why we are in this mess today.

Syrian Commando,

Why Discuss’ Blurp to daleanderson, lol. He’s right, that is all they deserve.

873,

Nice digging.

July 8th, 2011, 1:35 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#92

Believe it or not, the US is a mild member of this conspiracy, I agree with you on that point. It doesn’t want to destablise Syria too much, because it sees it as a point of order that it can take over in the future. The key point is there. It sees the economic system as ripe for economic hijacking. The US is no friend, in that manner. It is mild now, but it is potentially the most dangerous member of the EU/US/Israel/Riyadh axis. The US knows its influence in the middle east is on the way down, having reached the ceiling, it may just decide to secede future interest by allowing the EU/Israel/Riyadh to have their way.

Don’t forget that in 1973, the US intervened on Israel’s behalf, practically airbridging brand new military equipment across the battle field. Even when we depleted Israel’s air force, they brought in Indian pilots which we also had to shoot down.*

Russia will not drop Syria, by the way. If they wanted to, they had their chance with the UNSC resolution. Russia, China and Iran have proven to be reliable partners. We know who our friends are now, I do not understand why you find this confusing. Russia today is not the Russia of Borris Yeltsin. Though it is heavily infiltrated by zionist agents and operatives, in the end, it knows its real interest is aligned with ours and will not allow us to fall. As we speak, brand new military equipment is being transferred to Syria…

* The indians were all executed as they were mercenaries. In contrast, the Israel pilots who did not target civilians, were handed back to Israel in a POW exchange. The Israelis on here will acknowledge that we Syrians fight wars cleanly, unlike them and their allies.

July 8th, 2011, 1:36 am

 

873 said:

95. syau,

Interesting that this pamphlet was released nearly 110 years ago. Was it The Plan or prophecy? Hmmmm. Let me cross reference it with the Zohar.

Recall the indignation over the Gyllens-Posten zionist cartoon of Muhammad as a shahid with a suicide bomb in his turban? The protests and rioting that ensued were dismissed as relgious-fanatic, intolerant Muslims who hated free speech?

Now the yalmulke is being caricatured and suddenly its Holocaust Haberdashery! The anti-semite smear is in high gear!!

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=228448

If it offends a jew = antisemitism
If it offends anyone else = free speech, get over it

July 8th, 2011, 2:01 am

 

daleandersen said:

Memo To: 873

RE: “…the Gyllens-Posten zionist cartoon of Muhammad as a shahid with a suicide bomb in his turban…”

You mean this one? >>> http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/06/stuck-in-damascus-with-memphis-blues.html

July 8th, 2011, 2:11 am

 

syau said:

873,

Agree totally, antisemitism vs free speech, get over it. I don’t think he will be allowed to keep his post though. I would also go with the plan, not prophecy.

I think you may have tread on staleandersons tail.

July 8th, 2011, 2:50 am

 

Nour said:

بيان الرئاسة لمناسبة الثامن من تموز 2011
الرئاسة
الخميس, 07 يوليو/تموز 2011 10:04

أيها المواطنون والرفقاء!
في مجرى التاريخ، وفي غياب الوعي القومي للحق والحقيقة، يتكرّر المشهد وتعاد فصول المؤامرات وسيناريوهاتها المفجعة على أرض وطننا. فبالأمس غير البعيد قُسِّم وطننا كيانات غُرِست في ثنايا إنشائها بذور التفرقة والتباعد والتباغض حتى في الكيان الواحد، فسهل غَرْسُ الكيان اليهودي في قلب وطننا عبر جريمة لم يشهد التاريخ لها مثيلاً . وبالأمس الأقرب ظهر في هذه الأمّة معلّمٌ هادٍ كشف حقيقتها وحدّد بدقة مكامنَ الداء وأسبابَه وأعطى العلاج الناجع الذي يعيد إلى أمّتنا قوتها وحيويتها وأنشأ حزبًا يعمل على نشر الوعي وتعميم العلاج لتكون للأمّة السورية إرادة لا تُردّ.

ولما تنبّه الأعداء ولمسوا الخطر الذي تشكله النهضة التي اطلقها سعاده على مصالحهم ومخططاتهم، أوجسوا منه خوفًا وأعلنوا عليه حربًا مكشوفة، مباشرة ومداورة، عندما توسّلوا زبانيتهم الذين كانوا قد سلّطوهم وحكّموهم بمقدَّرات حياة الشعب. وهكذا بدأت مسيرة الثامن من تموز عام 1949، فاغتيل سعاده فجر ذلك اليوم، في مسرحية قضائية لا زال جبين القضاء يندى لها حتى اليوم، ولن تجفّ مياه عارٍ رشحت من هذا الجبين إلا بنقض هذا الحكم وإدانة مَن خطّ فقراته المجرمة والظالمة ومَن كان يقف وراءها، وإعادة الاعتبار لمسيرة الحقّ باعتماد المبادئ التي عمّدها سعاده بدمه لتكون وحدها مركب الخلاص.

ظنّ أعداء هذه الأمّة أن اغتيال “الراعي” سيبدّد “القطيع”، غير أن دم الثامن من تموز، وما شعّ منه من نور هداية، حفّز الواعين الصراعيين ليتوجّهوا إلى الأمّة السورية باستمرار أجيالها، ومنها أجيال لم تكن حينها قد وُلدت بعد، يستنهضونها للاستمرار في الصراع من أجل انتصار حقّ الأمّة في الحياة والتقدّم ومواجهة كلّ ركامات الباطل التي تُعيق مسيرة الأمّة في ارتقائها المتنامي. وما زالت مدرسة العمالة، التي خانت سعاده وسلّمته إلى جلاّديه، تخرّج أفواجًا متتابعة من العملاء، وتستمر في محاربة النهضة القومية الاجتماعية في تعبيرها عن مصلحة الأمّة عاملة تكرارًا على تسليم الوطن إلى الجلادين أنفسهم، أولياء وأرباب نعمتها.

هذه المعادلة، على بساطتها، باقية ومستمرّة منذ عقود من السنين على رغم المتغيّرات في ظروف الأحداث وتعدّد هوية الفاعلين. وقد طوّر الأعداء أساليب غدرهم ومؤامراتهم وعملوا على تعميق الشرخ بين الكيانات، وحتى بين أبناء الكيان الواحد. فلم نكن في تاريخ مواجهتنا للعدوّ إلا أشلاء يباعد بينها التفتّت السياسي الكياني والتشرذم النفسي – الروحي، تكرِّسه الطائفية والفئوية والإقطاعية والحزبية الضيقة، وتعمق جذوره الأنانية الجامحة، فوقع الخلل في معادلة المواجهة وكانت النتيجة الحتمية، حتى الآن، انحرافًا في مسيرة الصراع، وكانت بالتالي جولة الغلبة لباطل الأعداء على ضعفنا وتخاذلنا ووهن قوتنا.

إنّ ما سبق يؤكّده وضع كياناتنا. ونستطيع أن نبدأ بلبنان الذي تعصف به أزمة جوهرها عائد إلى أساس تركيبته عبر ميثاق كُرِّس في دستور “الطائف”، وفق صيغة مشوَّهة كانت نتيجتها إقامة كيان سياسي منعزل، لُحمته “تعايش” بين مجموعة طوائف ومذاهب موجودة على أرضه متضاربة التطلّعات والنفسيات والولاءات. وهذا عكس ما تقتضيه مصلحة الشعب. فقد أثبت علم الاجتماع أن قيام الأمّة يكون على أساس الوحدة الحياتية للشعب في تفاعل مُوَحِّد، وقيام الإرادة الواحدة تعبيرٌ عن وحدة الحياة، فتكون الدولة الواحدة مؤسسةً تنظيميةً تعمل لصيانة هذه الوحدة وإعلاء شأنها. وأبلغُ دليل على التفسُّخ في هذا الكيان ما نشهده من تضارب وتناقض في المواقف بين مَن تنكّبوا مسؤولية نهضة الأمّة وبين من استسلموا وانساقوا للإرادات الخارجية. وحين انبرت فئة من أبناء هذا الكيان للدفاع عنه وخوض غمار معركة ضارية أعادت الاعتبار لأبناء شعبنا وأعادت الثقة بقدرة مقاتلينا على مواجهة عدوِّنا الأوحد، تقاعست فئة أخرى عن هذا الواجب وأوغلت في محاربة هؤلاء المجاهدين وطالبت بسحب السلاح الذي قاتلوا اليهود به وحققوا بواسطته توازن الرعب معهم. ومن دلائل التفسّخ البارزة أيضًا لجوء كلِّ مجموعة إلى طرف دولي أو إقليمي لتحقيق التوازن بين فئاته والاستقواء بهذه الأطراف لتعطيل المؤسسات الدستورية والقضائية والأمنية وغيرها. أمّا وقد تشكّلت الحكومة، فإن ما ينتظرها من استحقاقات هو من الأمور الخطيرة التي سترتِّب عليها أعباء كبيرة على جميع الصعد والمستويات. ويمكننا أن نصنّف تلك الاستحقاقات على مستويين: خارجي وداخلي. فالخارجي، يتمثّل بالضغوط التي سيشكّلها الالتزام بالقرارات الدولية وبالأخصّ القرار ـ الفتنة ـ الذي يحمل رقم 1559. كما يشكل القرار الاتهامي الصادر عن المحكمة الدولية الذي أتحفتنا به مؤخَّرًا سيفًا مُصْلتًا للنيل من الذين ألحقوا الهزيمة النكراء بالأعداء في تموز 2006.

أمّا الاستحقاق الداخلي فيتمثّل بتنفيذ التعهّدات التي أطلقها بعضٌ من الفريق المكوِّن للحكومة بمحاربة الفساد والهدر في المال العام، فمصداقية هذا الفريق هي على المحك، وما يزيد الطين بلّة أن في الحكومة الحالية شركاء سبق لهم وساهموا في الفساد والهدر. ناهيك عن محاولات الفريق الذي خرج من الحكومة، لعرقلة عمل الحكومة بشنِّ حملات التشكيك والدعاية المغرضة وتوسّل التوترات الأمنية لشلّ حركة البلاد من كلّ النواحي، وخاصة الاقتصادية منها.

أمّا الشام، قلب الأمّة النابض وعماد المواجهة مع العدو، فكان لها النصيب الأوفر من المؤامرة عبر الحصار وفرض العقوبات، ولفترة طويلة، في عصر “ديمقراطيةٍ” تسوّق لها الولايات المتحدة الأميركية من خلال مجلس أمنٍ لم يعرف الأمن يومًا ولو تلبّس اسمه زورًا وبهتانًا. وتُفتح النار على الشام من جبهات الدنيا الأربع، عبر إيقاعات خارجية متباينة الأداء في الظاهر، ولكنها متكاملة الأدوار في الغاية، وذلك لتظهير خريطة اجتماعية يعملون على إنتاجها على أساس المذاهب والطوائف والإثنيات، وإعطاء دور رعاية مشروع التغيير والاحتضان للأتراك، ودفع الوضع في الشام إلى حالة من الاضطراب السياسي والأمني كمقدمة لفتنة طائفية ومذهبية تأكل الأخضر واليابس، وذلك كله عبر استغلال مطالب مُحِقّة لمواطنيها أنتجتها مظلومية اجتماعية عانى منها الشاميون وطالبوا بحياة حرة كريمة يجدون فيها أنفسهم مشاركين في كلّ نواحي الحياة السياسية والاجتماعية والثقافية والاقتصادية. هذه المطالبة التي تمظهرت على شكل حَراك شعبي يبلغ ذروته كلّ يوم جمعة، وعبر إطلاق الشعارت الرنانة “كالحرية” و”الوحدة الوطنية” و”السلمية”. تحوّل هذا الحَراك الشعبي إلى حركة شارع في مواجهة شارع مساند لـ”النظام” وأصبح الشارعان ضحية “لعبة الأمم”، نتيجة تداخل العوامل الخارجية والداخلية، ممّا أدّى إلى سقوط ضحايا أبرياء من مواطنين ومن قوى عسكرية وأمنية. وبفعل العوامل الخارجية المتمثّلة في محاولات الدول التي تدور في الفلك اليهودي لإضعاف الشام بضربها من الداخل، دخلت على خط المواجهة بين الشارعين عناصر مسلحة مشبوهة تستغل شعار الإصلاح وتقوم بأعمال تخريبية تستهدف المؤسسات العامة والخاصة بغية ضرب الاستقرار وخلق الفتنة والفوضى. أمّا العوامل الداخلية فكانت إحساس المواطن بالتهميش والكبت والحرمان الذي يستغله الأعداء لعبور آمن إلى الداخل “السوري”.

لأنّ الإصلاح ركن أساسي في مبادئنا، فقد طالبنا منذ زمن بضرورة تنفيذ الإصلاحات التي تؤمِّن المصالح الحيوية للمواطنين والمطلوبة لتحصين الجبهة الوطنية الداخلية والمحافظة عليها موحَّدة منيعة. ولأنّ ما اعتُمِد من قوانين إصلاحية من قِبَل الحكومة الشامية لم يعد كافيًا، طالبنا منذ العام 2005 بالتغيير وذلك عبر بيانات حمّلناها رؤيتنا الواضحة في معالجة مشاكل الناس وتحقيق تطلعاتهم وطموحاتهم في الحياة الحرّة الكريمة، وفي التعبير الصريح عن آرائهم وحرية انتماءاتهم الحزبية بما لا يتعارض مع مصلحة الشعب والوطن.

فعلى الصعيد السياسي، وهو جوهر العملية الإصلاحية، طالبنا بإصدار قوانين جديدة للأحزاب والانتخابات والإعلام وغيرها، وضرورة وضع دستور جديد للبلاد ينبثق من إرادة الشعب العامّة. وتطوير إعلام يمارس دوره الصحيح في إيضاح القضية التي من أجلها أُنشِىء. وطالبنا كذلك بإجراء إصلاحات تؤمِّن اقتصادًا متوازنًا بين مختلِف المجالات الزراعية والصناعية والتجارية والخدماتية بحيث تقوم المؤسسات الموكل إليها صلاحية التخطيط بضبط الإنتاج بما يسدّ حاجات الشعب واستيراد ما لا يمكن إنتاجه محلِّيًا وتوجيه المواطن للتحلّي بالأخلاق التي تصون تفاعله الحياتي وتبعده عن آفة ونقيصة الاحتكار والاستغلال والاستنزاف في مختلف المرافق الحياتية.

إن عملية الإصلاح تقتضي ضبط المفاهيم وتحديد مضامينها بدقة والالتزام بها، وليس رفعها شعارات فضفاضة تؤدّي إلى مزيد من الانقسام والتشرذم وصولاً إلى المواجهة التي تعمل لإشعال فتيلها كلُّ القوى الخارجية المتربّصة بنا شرًّا، هذه القوى المتحالفة مع القوى الظلامية التي تعمل في الداخل، وكلتاهما شريك أساسي، بوجه من الوجوه، لمافيات الفساد المعششة في أغلب بُنى المجتمع ومؤسسات الدولة. فالخطوة الأساسية الأولى التي يجب أن تميّز هذه التحركات هي وضع تحديدات صحيحة لكلّ المسائل والقضايا العارضة في حياتنا حتى تصبح معالجتها ممكنة دون هدر طاقة. وهذا يجب أن يكون الهدف الأساس لمخطط ثقافي تتبنّاه وتعمل على تطبيقه كلُّ القوى الوطنية الواعية مصالح الشعب والعاملة لتحقيقها. وبهذا لا يذهب الشاميون إلى ساحة الحرية بكلّ السلاسل والقيود التي يرسفون فيها، بل ينتقلون إلى حالة صحيحة عنوانها النظام وشعارها القوة.

أمّا السياسة الخارجية، كما نراها، فعمادها المحافظة على الحقوق القومية في الصراع القائم، ولا يوجد حق وحقوق إلا حيث الإرادة الصادقة لصون هذا الحق. وكلّ محاولة لبناء سياسة خارجية تستند إلى مقرَّرات عدائية صادرة عن هيئات لا تعبّر عن إرادة الأمّة الواعية حقها، تسهم في ضياع الحق. وكلّ إقرار “بحق” اليهود بأي شبر من أرض وطننا هو اعتداء على حقنا أيًا كان مصدر هذا الإقرار.

وتأسيسًا على ما سبق كان لنا رأي واضح ممّا يحصل في الشام اليوم، أعلنّاه في العديد من البيانات التي كانت تصدر تباعًا، عنوانها الرئيس أن عقارب الساعة لن تعود إلى الوراء وفي أحسن الأحوال لن تتوقف عن الدوران، وأنه علينا التحضير لشامٍ جديدة مختلفة عن الماضي. وأن تحصين الموقع الوطني للشام في مواجهة “المؤامرة”، يحتاج إلى خطة إنقاذ وطنية يشارك فيها الجميع، وتشمل بعنايتها ورعايتها كلَّ الشعب لخفض منسوب الاحتقان السياسي والاجتماعي في الشام. وكنّا نؤكِّد على المطالب التي نرى فيها مخارج مناسبة توقف دوامة العنف العبثي وتهيء الأجواء للبدء ببحثٍ جِدِّي لأساس الأزمة في الشام وسبل حلها. ونذكّر ببعضها مثل وقف الإجراءات الأمنية، ومنها الاعتقالات في مواجهة مطالب الشعب، والإفراج عن جميع من أوقفوا خلال التظاهرات ومعتقلي الرأي والمعتقلين السياسيين السابقين، والبدء بالتحقيق الفوري والجِدّي والشفّاف بالأحداث وتحديد أسبابها ومعاقبة من تسبَّب في إسالة دماء الشاميين أيًا كان، واعتبار جميع ضحايا العنف العبثي الدائر والذين لم تثبت بحقهم جرائم حمل السلاح والتخريب شهداء للوطن، والسماح بحرية التظاهر السلمي مع مسؤولية الدولة عن حماية هذا التظاهر. والإقرار بأن جميع القضايا الخلافية والمطلبية يجب أن تُحلّ بالحوار داخل الوطن، عبر مؤتمر حوار وطني يشارك فيه الجميع دون إقصاء أو استئناء. والإقرار من قبل الجميع بأن الإصلاحات التي أقرَّت بها القيادة السياسية تحتاج إلى وقت للتنفيذ ويجب أن تتمّ وفق برامج زمنية يشارك في مراقبتها أحزاب سياسية وشخصيات وطنية، ورفض وإدانة كلّ الدعوات المطالِبة بأيّ تدخّلات خارجية، عربية كانت أم أجنبية، مهما كانت وتحت أي مُسمّى صدرت.

هذه الاقتراحات التي ما زالت تشكّل بداية الطريق لحلّ الأزمة في الشام، وبها نهيئ الأجواء لحوار يضع حدًّا للفتنة وإراقة الدماء التي نعتبرها بحق دماء شهادة، باستثناء من حمل السلاح في وجه جيشه أو شعبه، فيكون دمه عبئًا عليه، وعلى من دفع به إلى هذا المركب الصعب والمُدان. ودون ذلك يذهب البلد بعناد أبنائه، وتجييش المرتزقة، إلى اقتتال بطرق مختلفة لا يستطيع أحدٌ وضع تصّور لنهايته.

وفي فلسطين حيث هلّل الكثيرون للمصالحة التي جرت بين فئتي الاصطراع “فتح” و”حماس”،، باعتبارها ضرورة قومية، نرى أن الفئتين المتصالحتين لم تتمكنا من تشكيل “حكومة” تقوم بالحدّ الأدنى من الأعمال المسموح بها أميركانيًا و”إسرائيليًا” رغم توافقهما على دويلة “القنطرة” في غزة والضفة وتجاهلهما لمصير الذين هُجّروا من أراضيهم، والذين ما زالوا أسرى ضمن الأراضي المحتلة عام 1948.

إنّ عملية السلام الموهوم بين الفلسطينيين واليهود أفشلها اليهود أنفسهم برفضهم العودة إلى حدود ما قبل 1967، وإجبارهم الرئيس الأميركاني على التراجع عن مواقفه وتعهّداته، وإرغامه صاغرًا، على الخضوع لرغبات الكيان الغاصب. وهنا نكرر السؤال: هل يُدفن اتفاق المصالحة في القاهرة اليوم كما دُفِن اتفاق مكة بالأمس؟… وإلى أي مدى يستفيد المفاوض الفلسطيني من التلويح بورقة الأمم المتحدة للاعتراف بدولة فلسطينية على حدود 1967، ألا يشكِّل هذا التهديد بذاته مشكلة عنوانها أنهم ما عادوا يفاوضون إلا على الحدود، دون أية تفاصيل أخرى، وهذا بحدّ ذاته يشكل انتصارًا جديدًا لليهود في معركتهم الرامية لطمس حقنا القومي في فلسطين الذي لم يكن يومًا يتعلق بالحدود فقط.

ولكن رغم هذه الضبابية وهذا الضياع تبقى ثقتنا بشعبنا في فلسطين كبيرة، ولنا في التحرك الذي جرى يومَيْ الخامس عشر من أيار، ذكرى النكبة عام 1948 والخامس من حزيران ذكرى حرب الأيام الستة عام 1967، أصدق مثال على أصالة شعبنا وعلى تصميمه على انتصار قضيته واستعادة حقوقه كاملة على تراب الوطن.

والعراق الذي غُيّبت فيه الإرادة العراقية بعد أن تمّ تقسيم الشعب فيه إلى “مكوِّنات”، يشهد في الآونة الأخيرة عودة لمسلسلات التفجيرات الدامية مع اقتراب موعد بداية انسحاب القوات الأميركانية من أراضيه، على خلفية الصراعات السياسية بين زعماء هذه “المكونات” الذين يتقاسمون مواقع الحكم، هذه التفجيرات التي تعتبر منعطفًا خطيرًا متوقَّعًا في مسار العملية السياسية غير المكتملة أصلاً في العراق، وهي كذلك تظهير صريح للجهد الأميركاني المبذول لتأخير موعد الانسحاب أو حتى تعطيله لما بعد نهاية العام على أقلّ تقدير، هذا ما تسعى إليه الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية رغم العوائق الكثيرة، ومنها عدم التوافق على هذا الأمر مع الدول المحيطة بالعراق. هذه المماطلة الأميركانية بعملية الانسحاب دفعت كذلك السيد مقتدى الصدر للتهديد بالعودة إلى تنشيط العمل العسكري في مقاومة الاحتلال بعد أن خفّ نسبيًا ولم يتوقف.

إنّ ما شهدناه من تحويل العراق إلى فسيفساء طائفية على النسق اللبناني يشكّل خطرًا كبيرًا على مستقبل العراق في وحدته، أرضًا وشعبًا، ومؤسسات ممّا يبدّد ثرواته الطبيعية باستغلالها بشكل غير متكافىء وغير مدروس، وعلى العراقيين إعادة النظر في هذا النموذج الهدّام الذي يعتمدونه.

إذا أكملنا جولتنا وعرّجنا على الأردن والكويت، لتكرَّر التشخيص ولكن بأعراض مختلفة، فجوهر الأزمة واحد وليس الاختلاف إلا بالمظاهر الخارجية فقط. إنه التمترس الطائفي الذي يستخدم وسيلة لكلّ الحروب الوهمية بين أبناء الشعب الواحد، على حساب الحرب الأساسية، ألا وهي حربنا لتحقيق نهضتنا وتحرير أرضنا. وتأتي العلاقة المشبوهة بين الاستبداد الداخلي والاستعمار الخارجي لتكرّس هذه القطيعة وتغذّيها بين أطراف الاصطراع الداخلي.

وفي خضم الحديث عن أوضاع الأمّة، ألا يستحق السوريون القوميون الاجتماعيون حديثًا موازيًا عن أوضاع حزبهم الذي هو بكلّ الأحوال، دولة الأمّة السورية المستقلة، هذه الدولة التي ترسخت لديها الرؤية الواضحة وبالتالي التوجّه الصحيح، والتأكيد على أننا حركة الشعب الكبرى التي قبلت التحدّي وحملت الأمانة طوعًا؟

حَرِيٌّ بهذا الحزب أن يكون على مستوى المسؤولية، وهو لا شكّ على هذا المستوى، وأمينٌ على هذه الرسالة التي تُهيب بكلِّ من استجاب لنداء سعاده أن يعود إلى ساح الجهاد، فالحصاد وفير وينتظر سواعد الرجال وأكتاف الجبابرة لنسير وإياهم على دروب العزّ إلى النصر الذي لا مفر منه. فهو قدرنا وهو هدف الصراع في معركة المصير.

إنّ حاجة الحركة السورية القومية الاجتماعية اليوم هي للرفقاء العاملين بهدوء واطمئنان وثقة ويقين تحت طبقة الثرثرة والصياح. نحن بحاجة للرفقاء الذين يقولون: نستطيع أن نقوم بواجب ” ذا”، أكثر ممن يكتفون بالقول: نقترح “كذا”. فجعبة الإدارة الحزبية مليئة بالاقتراحات المفيدة لسير الحركة والحاجة الماسة هي لتوفّر الإمكانات البشرية والمادية، فهيّا لنعمل جميعًا على توفيرها.

أيها الرفقاء والمواطنون!
لقد قُيِّض لأمّتنا أن يكون أحد أبنائها هو المعبّر الأوفى عن حقيقة وجودها، فكشف لها النظام الحياتي المعبّر عن نفسية شعبها المجسِّد لقيمها وتطلعاتها توافقًا مع أصالة هذه النفسية ومع عظمة وسمّو هذه القيم والتطلعات. نظام هو أرقى ما توصّل إليه الكشف العلمي على مرّ عصور تطوره. وهو أفضل ما يوثّق العلاقات الحياتية في وجود الإنسان مجتمعًا كاملاً. ولم يتوقف هذا الأمر عند كشف هذا النظام الوجودي كشفًا علميًا، بل دعا الأمّة السورية كلها لوعي حقيقتها التي يعبّر عنها هذا النظام، وإلى الإيمان بهذه الحقيقة عقيدة حياتية والتمرّس بهذا النظام في حزب تنظيمي أسّسه لضبط الإيقاع والمسيرة.

إنّ إشعاع تعاليمه وقدوة تمرّسه ونور استشهاده في الثامن من تموز أبقت الجذوة لاستمرار مسيرة هذا الأمل باستمرار صراع الذين آمنوا بهذه التعاليم واقتدوا بهذا التمرّس واستناروا بهذا النور، صراع روّاد نهضة الأمّة ضدّ ما يدفعه عليها أعداؤها من عوامل التخلّف بكلِّ أشكاله، صراعًا مستمرًّا استمرار إيمانهم بالنصر الذي لا مفر منه.

رئيس الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي
الرفيق الدكتور علي حيدر

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July 8th, 2011, 3:05 am

 

Nour said:

الدستور السوري بين خياري التعديل أو التغيير على طاولة مستديرة بمشاركة 200 شخصية في اللقاء التشاوري
دمشق..
قالت مصادر مطلعة لـصحيفة الحياة امس إن الدستورالسوري، بين خياري التعديل أو التغيير، سيكون أحد المواضيع الاساسية التي سيبحثها اللقاء التشاوري للحوار الوطني المقرر يومي الاحد والاثنين المقبلين، ذلك على طاولة مستديرة تضم نحو مئتي شخصية بينها نحو خمسين من ممثلي احزاب الجبهة الوطنية التقدمية وحزب البعث الحاكم، اضافة الى شباب بارزين وشخصيات مستقلة وأخرى معارضة بعد اعتذار عدد من المعارضين، حزبيين وافراداً، عن عدم المشاركة.
وسيقام اللقاء التشاوري في فندق “صحارى” قرب دمشق، حيث يجتمع المشاركون إلى طاولة مستديرة بدعوة من هيئة الحوار الوطني التي شكّلها الرئيس بشار الأسد قبل اسابيع. ومن المقرر ان يلقي نائب الرئيس فاروق الشرع خطاباً تليه عملية اقرار جدول الاعمال قبل تقديم مداخلات ازاء مشاريع القوانين المطروحة على النقاش، وتشمل قوانين الاعلام والاحزاب والانتخابات.
وبحسب المصادر ذاتها ان عملية توزيع مسودات هذه القوانين على الذين اكدوا مشاركتهم في “التشاوري”، بدأت امس، كي يتمكن المشاركون من درسها وتقديم ملاحظاتهم عليها في اللقاء. كما كلفت بعض المؤسسات الحكومية تقديم ملاحظاتها على المسودات التي كانت لجان الصياغة رفعتها الى الحكومة قبل ايام.
واوضحت المصادر في “هيئة الحوار” ان أحد الامور الاساسية المطروحة على جدول اعمال اللقاء التشاوري، ما اذا كان الدستور السوري يتطلب تعديلا على بعض المواد ام تغييرا فيه باعتبار انه يعود الى العام 1972، ما يعني تشكيل لجنة مختصة لصوغ المقترحات الدستورية بعد اللقاء. وتضمنت بطاقة دعوة المشاركين الى اللقاء، بنداً يتعلق ببحث تعديل بعض مواد الدستور بما في ذلك المادة الثامنة منه لعرضها على اول جلسة لمجلس الشعب (البرلمان) وعدم استبعاد وضع دستور جديد للبلاد وفق آليات يتم الاتفاق عليها. (تنص المادة الثامنة على ان البعث الحزب القائد في المجتمع والدولة).
وستحدد نتائج “التشاوري” سير العملية القانونية المقبلة، اذ ان احد الاحتمالات المطروحة اقرار مشاريع قوانين الاحزاب والانتخابات والاعلام في جلسة يعقدها مجلس الشعب بعد استئناف دوراته في 6 الشهر المقبل، باعتبار ان المجلس الحالي سيعود للانعقاد وان الانتخابات لن تجرى حالياً. وفي هذا المجال، اكدت مصادر حزبية رفيعة المستوى وجود مقترح بعقد مؤتمر قطري لحزب البعث الحاكم بعد اللقاء التشاوري لـيقر التحولات السياسية والاقتصادية وخلاصات اللقاء التشاوري والاصلاحات الاخرى، علماً ان آخر مؤتمر لـالبعث عقد في حزيران (يونيو) 2005.
واضافة الى الشرع وعضوي القيادة القطرية لـحزب البعث الدكتور هيثم سطايحي وياسر حورية، دعيت الى المؤتمر اكثر من ثلاثين شخصية بعثية شملت رؤساء اتحاد الكتّاب العرب حسين جمعة والصحافيين الياس مراد والعمال محمد شعبان عزوز ومديري مركز الدراسات في القيادة القطرية لـحزب البعث الدكتور الياس نجمة ومركز الدراسات في جامعة دمشق سمير اسماعيل، اضافة الى مسؤولين بعثيين من جميع المحافظات السورية وممثلي احزاب لجبهة الوطنية بينهم عمار بكداش ونبيه جلاحج من جناحيالحزب الشيوعي وصفوان سلمان من الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي. كما سيشارك في اللقاء، ممثلو “المبادرة الوطنية” التي اطلقها النائب محمد حبش، اضافة الى الفنانين بسام كوسا ومنى واصف وسلاف فواخرجي والى رئيسي غرفتي التجارة غسان القلاع والصناعة عماد غرواتي، فيما اعتذر راتب الشلاح عن عدم المشاركة لوجوده خارج البلاد في تلك الفترة.
وفيما اعتذر عن عدم المشاركة عدد من المعارضين بينهم برهان غليون وهيثم المناع وهيئة متابعة لـقاء “سورية للجميع في ظل دولة ديمقراطية مدنية”، قالت صحيفة الحياة ان شخصيات معارضة مثل طيب تيزيني وقدري جميل امين “اللجنة الوطنية لوحدة الشيوعيين” ستشارك في اللقاء، فيما وعد آخرون، بينهم المحامي هيثم المالح، بارسال “ممثلين” عنهم او اتخاذ قرار في الساعات المقبلة. ومن المقرر ان يحضر اللقاء رؤساء اللجان التي شكلت اخيراً لصوغ مسودة القوانين الخاصة بالاحزاب فاروق ابو الشامات والاعلام طالب قاضي امين والانتخابات ورئيس “المبادرة الوطنية للاكراد السوريين” عمر اوسي.
الى ذلك، اكد مشاركون في لقاء “الفعاليات الاقتصادية الوطنية” في حلب في ختام اجتماعهم امس على نقاط عدة بينها “الثقة بالرئيس الجمهورية وبقيادته عملية التغيير الشاملة لمختلف أوجه ومجالات الحياة في سورية وان هذه الفعاليات تدرك أن السياسة والاقتصاد توأمان متلازمان في بناء الأوطان. فالسياسة تخدم الإقتصاد في أوقات السلم والاستقرار، والإقتصاد يحصن الوطن ويدعم السياسة في أوقات الأزمات، والفعاليات الاقتصادية الوطنية عانت الكثير في السابق من اتهام وتأميم وتهميش إلى أن أثبتت الأحداث الأخيرة بوضوح وطنية وقوة هذه الفعاليات في الحفاظ على وحدة الوطن واقتصاده و أمنه المعيشي وهي مستعدة للتضحية من أجل أن يبقى الوطن منيعاً ومستقراً وآمناً، بالتالي فهي مصدر قوة للوطن والمجتمع في كل الظروف والأوقات .

الحياة

July 8th, 2011, 3:16 am

 

Nour said:

صحيفة السفير اللبنانية داخل مطبخ قانون الإعلام الجديد … معركة سوريا لفك الحصار عن الكلام
نشرت صحيفة السفير في عددها الصادر اليوم الجمعة للزميلة غدي فرنسيس التقرير الآتي ..
بينما تنشر هذه الكلمات عن الحرية المقبلة، ثمة رقيب إعلامي يقرر ما إذا كانت ” السفير “، او غيرها من الصحف، ستدخل اليوم دمشق أم لا…سيقرأ ويحكم، وقد يحجبها عن “السوق”. بموجب “اللاقانون “، له أن يمنع ما يشاء ويسمح بما يشاء. ثمة إعلامي سوري من حاشية النظام، يحاول أن يفكك المؤامرة في المقال ليكتشف: أهذا قلم ” لنا ” أم ” علينا “؟. تستمر الأجهزة الأمنية والإعلامية السورية بمؤامراتها المزدوجة على حرية التعبير… ويحكى في كفرسوسة عن التغيير!
بينما يعيش جهاز الاستخبارات داخل عقل الصحافي السوري، تصرخ له لجنة إعداد قانون الإعلام: أنا سأنتزعه من عقلك… وها قد جهزت المسودة الأولى من القانون… للعبور إلى الحرية، فيجيب الصحافي: حين يعتقلني الأمن، أين ستكون أنت؟

طبّاخ قانون الإعلام في كفرسوسة
بعد متابعة حواراتهم لثلاثة أيام على التوالي، تظهر شخصيات لأسماء اللجنة. الإعلامي طالب أمين يدير الجلسة ويضبطها، وهو الخبير الذي تابع شؤون وزارة الإعلام مع خمسة وزراء سابقين. بالتصنيف، سيتسلل السؤال أوتوماتيكيّاً: كيف لمعاون خمسة وزراء سابقين، أن يصنع التغيير؟.
لكن في المتابعة، سترى أن لا سلطة لاحد سوى الأفكار. مثلاً، بين الجمع وأصغرهم، لكلام عبد السلام هيكل دائماً صبغته الخاصة، فهو يمثّل الابن الثري، المتخرج من الجامعة الأميركية الذي اشتغل على نفسه وقدراته تحت جناح النفوذ والمال في خطاب “شبابي عصري”، حين يبدي رأيه واقتراحه بمواضيع الحصص من المؤسسات الإعلامية الخاصة، يكون له عبد الفتاح عوض في المرصاد: أنت تقول هذا لأنك رجل أعمال… يضحكون، لكن تسجّل الملاحظة في المحضر!
كل شيء مباح، والحديث يتراوح من الملاحظات الساخرة في محور علي جمالو إلى المبارزات الحادة في محور ثابت سالم إلى المداخلات العقلانية في محور اساتذة الجامعات مثل يحيى العريضي. كما يلفت دور دكتور صامت في غالبية الأحيان، يبدي رأيه عند الضرورة، اسمه ليس مسجلا في لائحة اللجنة ولا في لائحة شباب الـ ” undp” المشرفين. فلعميد الجامعة، الدكتور سام دلّة، مهمة معنوية استشارية في القوانين وشكلها.. وحين يدخل القاعة، يضفي بصمة حضوره على وقع النقاش.
حين يبدي إبراهيم ياخور رأيه بأن الإعلام سلطة مجتمعية، يسارع علي جمالو في ملاحظاته ليصار إلى إلغاء كلمة ” سلطة “. وهكذا تصبح المادة الثانية: ” الإعلام حر ومستقل ولا تقيد حريته إلا بالقانون “… حين تعرض تفاصيل إنشاء وكالات الأنباء وحصصها وامتدادها، يدور التنظير بتنوع حاد… بين محور ” اقتصاد الإعلام ” ومحور ” دوره المجتمعي “. حين يحكى عن محطّات صغيرة مخصصة لثلاث محافظات على الأقل، تثور الأديبة ناديا خوست من خلف نظاراتها الستينية: الجمع تحت العناوين الوطنية. يرد طالب أمين من كرسيه: ما دام هم المواطن سيكون أساس الإعلام، فهناك بعض الأمور الحياتية الصغيرة التي يمكن له أن يغطيها على صعيد مناطقي. وحين يختلفون يطول النقاش إلى أن ترسو التسوية نهائياً بإتباع مبدأ التصويت.
وهكذا دواليك، لكل منهم حديثه ورأيه وخلفيته. منهم الليبرالي واليساري واليميني والماركسي من شتى المحافظات السورية. في جلستهم ونقاشهم الحر، تبدو أكثر الكلمات دقة في الوصف هي تلك التي يستخدمها علي جمالو عنوانا لسلسلة مقالات ينشرها هجوماً على ” البعث ” : ” تمارين ديموقراطية “.

نحن في عهد ” ما قبل القانون ”
لو دخلت قاعة اللجنة صبيحة حجب الصحيفة وسألت ” كيف تعدّون قانونا يحرر الإعلام وقد حجبت جريدة اليوم؟ ” ، سيجيبك المجتمعون باستنكار بأن القانون لم يبدأ العمل به، وأن وزارة الإعلام التي تقوم بهذه الممارسات، سيقطع نفوذها بعد القانون. ” مهلاً علينا، فقد أعددنا قانونا يليق بالمعايير العالمية، لا وجود لوزارة الإعلام بعد اليوم، ولا منع ولا اعتقال. لكن ريثما يمشي القانون، اصبروا! ” .
وبعد انتهاء الحديث ورفع جلسة اللجنة، سيقوم أحد المجتمعين بمجهود إضافي عبر نفوذه واتصالاته الهاتفية، لمتابعة إدخال الصحيفة بعد الظهر إلى السوق، ساخراً من ” الرقيب الإعلامي ” … سيعتذر عن القمع ويجيب ” نحن نريد العبور إلى الديموقراطية، ولا يمكننا التمسّك بهذه الممارسات. أمامنا حرب مع العقلية القديمة، ومعركة الحرية لن تكون سهلة، فالعقلية الشمولية قائمة منذ سنوات، والمشكلة متجذرة في الجسد ولا احد يساند طريق الحرية سوى الجسم الإعلامي. علينا أن نبث حماسة القول وإبداء الرأي ونصونها للانتقال من القول إلى الفعل ” .
إذاً، رغم أننا لا نزال في عهد ” ما قبل القانون ” ، إلا أن صراع الرؤى في النفوذ الإعلامي السوري بدأ يعلو. هناك من يريد فتح الأبواب، وهناك من يخاف من الآخر. بينما ترسل قنوات الأمن تحذيراتها للإعلاميين وضغطها المعنوي، ثمة إعلاميون في داخل اللجان يعكسون آراء المعارضين ويدافعون عمّن يستهدفهم التضييق، بغض النظر عن انتماءاتهم ومؤسساتهم وموقع خبراتهم، وبصرف النظر عن ثقل الأحكام المسبقة الكثيرة التي ربما تليق بأسماء اللجنة، الموجودة على طاولتها مسودة قانون. وقد حصلت ” السفير ” على نسخة من ذلك القانون.
في المحصلة مفاجأة كبيرة: قانون إعلام حر، وسؤال أكبر: ماذا عن الأرض الآن هنا؟

نظرة على قانون الإعلام الجديد
حصلت ” السفير ” على نظرة خاصة بقانون الإعلام الجديد المقترح. بموجب المسودة التي أصبحت في عهدة رئاسة الحكومة السورية:
ـ لا سلطان أو وصاية على الإعلاميين في أداء عملهم لغير القانون.
ـ لا يجوز أن تكون المعلومة والرأي الذي ينشره الإعلامي سبباً للمساس بأمنه وحريته.
– لا يحق لأي جهة مطالبة الإعلامي بإفشاء مصدر معلوماته إلا أمام القضاء، وفي جلسة سرية.
ـ يكفل القانون حصول الصحافي على أي معلومة يطلبها من الجهات العامة.
ـ أي إهانة أو اعتداء على إعلامي أثناء أو بسبب قيامه بعمله يعتبر اعتداء على موظف رسمي حسب القوانين النافذة.
ـ حرية إصدار رخص وسائل الإعلام للأحزاب السياسية والأشخاص، ويمنح الترخيص للناشر من المجلس الوطني الأعلى للإعلام.
ـ لا تزيد ملكية أي شريك في وسيلة إعلامية عن 20 في المئة للإعلام البصري السياسي.
ـ لا تزيد ملكية أي شريك في وسيلة إعلامية عن 49 في المئة للإعلام البصري غير السياسي.
ـ يكتفي الإلكتروني بتقديم ” إخطار ” إلى المجلس الوطني.
ـ يلتزم المجلس بإعطاء وثيقة الاعتماد للموقع الإلكتروني بمهلة 15 يوم عمل من تاريخ الاستلام.
وقد أنجزت اللجنة مسودتها الأولى، وسلّمتها يوم الثلاثاء إلى رئاسة الحكومة. وتستكمل جلسات البحث والنقاش والإعداد اليومي في مركز التدريب الإذاعي في كفرسوسة حيث تفصّل دور مهام المجلس الوطني للإعلام ومهامه، وتناقش شأن الشركات التي تخدم الإعلام. مهمتها الثانية في جدول الأعمال: إعادة هيكلة المؤسسات الإعلامية القائمة مثل وكالة الأنباء السورية (سانا) والتلفزيون… إلخ.

تباين الوعود!
في مسألة التغيير الحقيقي، يجيب علي جمالو: هذا أكثر من قانون منطقي طبقاً للمواصفات الدولية ويناسب المجتمع… لا نستطيع أن نضع العربة أمام الحصان… علينا الفصل بين الأفق الذي نعمل به والممارسات التي تعتمدها وزارة الإعلام. أخطاء وزارة الإعلام تنتمي إلى سوريا القديمة. ” ما في وزارة إعلام بالأفق: هناك مجلس وطني ” يتبع للبرلمان، ونحن باتجاه التعددية السياسية، وبالتالي سيكون هناك برلمان حقيقي.
لمستشار مجلس الإدارة السابق في «lbc» ومدير مكتب كل من ” السفير ” و ” الجزيرة ” و” أبو ظبي ” السابق في دمشق، قدرة على صوغ التصريح بما يناسب الظرف ويراعي الرأي العام. يعترف بالصعوبة لكن يدفع للأمام، بناء على معطياته ومعلوماته وتوقعاته: خاض التجربة الإعلامية نفسها اليمن، وكذلك الأردن ودولة الإمارات… في الفترة الأولى أتوقّع فورة جنونية لوسائل الإعلام وستكون فورة موقتة ثم تستقر. علينا أن نفهمها ونستعد لها لأنها تكون فوضوية في الانطلاقة ريثما تستحدث تقاليدها وتأخذ شخصيتها.
يفيد جمالو أن بعض أسماء اللجنة ستكون جزءا من الحوار الوطني. ورغم قربهم من النظام، يبررون بأن ذلك لا يعني انعدام الرؤى الإصلاحية. يتابع علي جمالو: ” في شرطي مركّب على عنق كل صحافي، وظيفتنا إخراج الشرطي وتحرير الصحافي… سنخطئ لكن سنتعلم من أخطائنا ” .
من ناحيته، يسرع إبراهيم ياخور بالإجابة حاسماً: ” لم يتغيّر شيء حتى الآن، ولا تزال الحياة الإعلامية كما هي، وعليها ملاحظات، وما زال الوقت مبكرا لنحصد ثمار ما نفعله. القانون له مراحل أخرى ليصدر ويطبّق ويعمل به. وحتى حين يصدر القانون، ستمضي سنوات بينما تتكيّف البيئة الإعلامية معه ” .
يتابع ياخور، المعروف بقربه وصداقته من بعض شخصيات المعارضة: ” دعونا ميشيل كيلو ولؤي حسين وحسين عويدات. أتانا مازن درويش ودار نقاش مهم، موجود في سجلات اللجنة على الموقع الإلكتروني. درويش هو رئيس المركز السوري للإعلام وحرية التعبير، ودار نقاش عميق جداً وحر حول الإعلام في الجلسة الثالثة . للمعارضين اعتبارات أخرى للتغيب، كالموقف السياسي، لكن ذلك لا يعني موقفا من القانون ” .
… يشرح ” مايسترو ” اللجنة، الإعلامي طالب قاضي أمين من مكتبه في مركز التدريب، بعد أن رفعت اللجنة جلستها، أن ” اللجنة لا علاقة لها مع السلطة التنفيذية… أنا معاون وزير سابق لكن أعمل في منظمة عربية. في أمور اللجنة لم يتدخّل أحد: لا وزير الإعلام ولا رئيس الوزراء ولا السلطة الأمنية. وكل شخص في الاجتماع لا يمثل سوى نفسه، مهما كان منصبه ” .
وعن الغد، يقر أمين أن لا بيئة متوافرة للقانون الآن، ويضيف ” على كل الناس المعنيين أن يساهموا في صناعة بيئة لهذا القانون، فما تمّت صياغته يعالج ما كنّا نعانيه في الإعلام ” .
لطالب أمين خبرة في العمل الإعلامي القانوني يفصّلها باختصار: كنت عضوا ورئيس مجموعة من اللجان التي عملت على قانون المطبوعات الجديد . في العام 1949 ورثنا قانون المطبوعات الفرنسي، ومع ثورة البعث صدر فرمان العام 1963 وألغى قانون المطبوعات وصادرها، والتزمت سوريا الإعلام الحكومي إلى أن عملنا في 2001 على تعديل القانون القديم واستحداث قطاع خاص في الإعلام، وعملت بموجب قانون المنطقة الحرّة، فمثلاً جريدة الوطن، تلفزيون الدنيا، وسواهما من المؤسسات الإعلامية… تلك تصدر من مناطق حرّة تعفى من العمل وفق الشروط القديمة.
يختم أمين عند السؤال عن التحدي الأكبر: ” الهاجس ألا يتم اعتماد القانون كما أصدرته اللجنة، وان تتم تعديلات تنسف المبدأين الأساسيين في القانون: الحرية والمسؤولية ” .
من جانبه، لصاحب الرأي المختلف دوماً عبد السلام هيكل انتقاده الخاص، ” إذا أردت انتقاد اللجنة فيمكن أن أقول انه كان بإمكاننا اختصار الوقت وأن تجري الأمور بطريقة أخرى، أي بتحديد المبادئ العامة: حرية الصحافي وحرية النشر، وثم ترك الأمور للقانونيين لصياغة الموضوع. ما لدينا اليوم نتيجة لعمل شهر ونصف الشهر، كان بإمكانه أن يأخذ أسبوعين. قانون الأحزاب الذي هو مسألة اعقد، أنجز بأسبوع… فبسبب كثرة النقاشات في لجنة الإعلام، تحوّلت إلى مؤتمر حوار حول الإعلام.. إلا أن العلنية والشفافية أدتا إلى بناء مصداقية معيّنة ومؤشر على أشياء أخرى. أهم ما أنجزته اللجنة هو إيمانها بأنها تصوغ قانون إعلام للمستقبل في جمهورية جديدة ” .

على الأرض المعركة!
مهما كانت فحوى القانون ومهما بدت ثمار اللجان منطقية وجيدة، فثمة من يصعّد خطابه ليوازي الشارع ويوازنه. ذلك قال في اليوم الأول، أطلقوا حرياتنا الإعلامية، ولمّا يستجب له النظام بعد. على سبيل المثال، في نقاش لاحق مع المعارض لؤي حسين، رفض حتى الاطّلاع أو البحث في القانون أو نصّه أو متابعة ما يحصل في اللجان. ” بقول واضح، لن نقبل بأي قانون يصدر عن السلطة الآنية وسنغيّر كتابة كل قوانيننا لاحقاً بما تمليه علينا إراداتنا الحرّة ” . هذا رأي رافض، وغيره كثر. منهم من يعارض أن الإعلاميين يأخذون دور التشريع والقانونيين يأخذون دوراً استشاريا، عوضاً عن أن تكون الأدوار مقلوبة. هناك من لا يكفيهم إصدار قانون. في مكتبه في ” تشرين ” ، ثمة شخص ما يقول: آمل أن يتحقق القانون، فمتى كان الأمن يتبّع القوانين؟ ومن سيردعه عنّي؟
لهؤلاء الصحافيين الشباب الذين ينتظرون فك الحصار عن الكلام، وعليهم المسؤولية، فلن تأتي الحرية الإعلامية بين ليلة وضحاها، وما دام الأمن في الشوارع، وريثما يتم ” الحوار الوطني ” ، فلا يزال السؤال الصباحي الأبرز في دمشق: ” هل دخلت الجريدة؟ ” .

July 8th, 2011, 3:36 am

 

Revlon said:

Lieutenant; Amjad Mohammad Al hameed, recent defector, provides account of war crimes commited in Rastan, last month:
– He is a tribe member
– Water, power and telephone lines disconnected.
– Shelling of civilian neighbourhoods for three days.
– House searches, looting, and killing of civilians, including a baby girl.
– Piling up bodies and seriously wounded in containers.

This is the real dialogue that junior, the destroyer is conducting on the ground with Syrians people.

July 8th, 2011, 3:52 am

 

Nour said:

“SOS Syrie”: Once “democracy” comes to Syria, “Hezbollah, ‘Iranian agents,’ & Palestinians” will be made to “pay the price.”

“… One the French side, SOS Syrie featured such participants as Bernard Kouchner, André Glucksman, Axel Poniatowski (a member of the Union for a Popular Movement and the president of the foreign affairs commission of the French National Assembly), and Frédéric Encel, “who cut his teeth in the Betar youth organization of Likud.” As if that is not enough, former Knesset member Alex Goldfarb was also included.

What Syrians would want to join hands with the who’s who of French Zionism and imperialism? Most of the prominent Syrian invitees named in the conference advertisements are the leaders of the aforementioned organizations that backed BHL’s call. According to As-Safir’s Paris correspondent Mohammad Ballout, among the invitees were many of the Executive Council of “Change in Syria”: Amr Al-Azm, Ahed al-Hendi, Abdel Ilah Milhem (a leader of the Anza tribe), Ammar al-Qurabi (chairman of the National Organization for Human Rights in Syria), Sondos Sulaiman (of Al Hadatha Party). Lama Atassi, the president of France-Syrie Démocratie as well as a participant in the Antalya conference, took credit for linking up the Antalya opposition with BHL in an interview with Le Nouvel Observateur.
What happened at the conference itself, where “the obscure faces of the Antalya opposition and of the Muslim Brotherhood” were seen among about 200 like-minded friends of BHL who filled the very much bobo Saint-Germain-des-Prés cinema?
According to La Règle du Jeu itself, Goldfarb, of all people, acted as “spokesman, in Paris, of Change in Syria for Democracy.”
There was also Ashraf al-Moqdad, a member of the “National Salvation Front in Syria” led by Abdul Halim Khaddam. Moqdad, says As-Safir, bragged that, once “democracy” comes to Syria, “Hezbollah, ‘Iranian agents,’ and Palestinians” will be made to “pay the price.” The As-Safir reporter says Moqdad went on to threaten him as well…”

July 8th, 2011, 3:56 am

 

Revlon said:

Prisnors in Sednaya prison face imminent execution by Jr’s thugs.

http://www.shrc.org/data/aspx/d17/4507.aspx

July 8th, 2011, 3:59 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Hama’s peaceful demonstrations

You can see the intellectuals calmly leading the majority of the willing public through their democratic process. Ford is going to defend their right to burn down public infrastructure and own the roads with their motorbikes, like in 1982.

NOUR,

>There was also Ashraf al-Moqdad, a member of the “National Salvation Front in Syria” led by Abdul Halim Khaddam. Moqdad, says As-Safir, bragged that, once “democracy” comes to Syria, “Hezbollah, ‘Iranian agents,’ and Palestinians” will be made to “pay the price.” The As-Safir reporter says Moqdad went on to threaten him as well…”

OH MY GOD are you serious?

If you are absolutely sure, I am VERY GLAD these bastards are not attending the reform meeting. Very very glad. Just send them to Israel to live in their paradise.

July 8th, 2011, 4:05 am

 

Mawal95 said:

I’ve decided to stop revisiting this blog. Joshua’s posts have been worthless to me for a long time now. I’ve been coming back for the comments section. My thanks to the many commenters and comments that have helped me understand the situation in Syria over the past three months. As my knowledge has increased, the return on investment I’ve been getting from the comments has diminished.

Syria is fine. “This regime was never in trouble.”

July 8th, 2011, 4:08 am

 

Mina said:

#104
I think the Libyan uprising was organized by Qatar and pushed by BHL just in order to start a counter revolution that would put Tunisia and Egypt in a weaker position, because of the refugees and the borders security. It is a way to pressure on them and be sure they won’t go too far left in their coming policies.
The Yemeni and Syrian uprisings have that in common that al Jazeera sponsored it by screening all day long what were first small gatherings, while ignoring similar movements that were happening in Sudan, Iraq and Morocco at the same time. But the real anger in Yemen and Syria is against an outdated tribal/sectarian and patriarcal system that lets the whole society organized in mini-mafias. Pushing the Yemeni agenda was probably just a game for al Jazeera in order to bring other people (the Syrians) to the streets, because they knew that Saudi Arabia will never let the neighbour escape from its hands (and neither would the US let the Red Sea road and the Aden straight get out of their control).
Some years ago after Daniel’s Pearl’s assassination, BHL wrote a book denouncing the role of the Pakistani ISI. Now he is pushing for a dialogue with the moderate MB-s? It is called playing the “apprentice sorcerer”. The only immediate benefit is chaos and pressure on the Palestinians, no news of the Israelis ever going back to any dialogue with any one around, and a monstrous counter-revolution launched against the Egyptians and Tunisians.

July 8th, 2011, 4:20 am

 

Mina said:

WD 58
I agree with you on why Ford is there. They will cash the jackpot and this is support for Bashar (just as Bashar did encourage some pro-reforms demos early May in Aleppo on day of shuhada). The EU is getting more ridiculous by the day, except the Germans, somehow.

July 8th, 2011, 4:33 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Mawal95,

Don’t be like that! Come back!

We’re not quite out of the woods, some people are speculating that Ford is hand-picking an “Emir” and that the terrorists in Hama will declare an “Emirate” to provoke some attack. It won’t be a Benghazisation of a city because its not bordering, but military action and Hama don’t go well together.

MINA,

Germany has a lot of trade with Syria, especially the heavy oil we produce. They have more to lose than the other clowns in the EU.

July 8th, 2011, 4:44 am

 

Aboud said:

مسؤول استخبارات أميركي: الأغلبية الصامتة في سوريا ضد الأسد الآن ومستعدة لدعم بديل

“CIA Official: The Silent Majority in Syria are Against Bashar and Are Ready for a Replacement”

http://www.aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=630120&issueno=11910

And yet Syrian Cuckoo will continue to look for Zionist Indians to “shoot down”. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Next he’ll be blaming the Amazonians for funding The Plot To Remove the Eye Doctor.

July 8th, 2011, 4:59 am

 

Mina said:

Aboud,
How can you quote the CIA as serious? September 11, the Afghan and Iraqi quagmires, Somalia, it’s not enough for you?
I am pretty sure that if the Syrians had got organized since February in a real pacific movement claiming for specific civil rights and specific reforms, these would find a way. But I have a question: how do you implement democracy with 50 percent of the population under 18? In the US, they reduce the unemployment statistics by sending the kids abroad to make wars here and there. But for Syria, what is your plan?

July 8th, 2011, 5:17 am

 

Aboud said:

“how do you implement democracy with 50 percent of the population under 18?”

Damn, a reasonable question, asked in a reasonable way. I don’t like it when that happens.

You know I don’t like Iran, but at least they have elections, and their demographics are similar to ours.

The fact that half the population is under 18 makes it *imperative* we give them a society they can feel a part of and contribute to, by the time they reach 18 and start entering the work force in earnest.

Today, many Syrians cannot even get married because they can’t afford homes. Too many of our best and brightest have to work in the Gulf. As Syrians our family bonds are the strongest in the world, so imagine how a Syrian must feel about leaving his family for 11 months a year.

Syria has to be competitive in the region, economically, socially, and politically. Bashar has had 11 years, during which he did very little to put Syria on an equal footing as Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey. True, malls were built in Aleppo and Damascus, but the country side was neglected in a terrible way. It really didn’t reassure people when the former agricultural minister was made prime minister in the latest government reshuffle.

“a real pacific ”

I think you meant pacifist. When the demonstrations started in Dar’a, people handled flowers out to the security men, who in turn crushed everything in their way, flowers and skulls. The government spilled blood needlessly. They could have avoided it. Just look at Hama the past three weeks.

July 8th, 2011, 5:28 am

 

Samara said:

Revlon,

“Jr, the destroyer”.

I like that. Hopefully he will destroy all the criminals who call themselves the MB, and the so called peaceful protesters who are killing and destroying our country.

July 8th, 2011, 6:29 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

MINA,

“Aboud, How can you quote the CIA as serious?”

Oh come on, is the answer NOT obvious?

Also note how much he “hates Iran”, lol. What did it do, murder his parents? What a fucking joke of a Sayanim freak.

Also, US unemployment figures are completely fudged

July 8th, 2011, 6:36 am

 

syau said:

Syrian Commando #106,

What a wonderful display of peaceful protesting. These low life losers need to be dealt with asap.

Tara,

This is the peaceful revolution you are endorsing. Fires, cars and buses burned and infrastructure destroyed, and you still refuse to admit the presence of armed gangs. I wonder what’s next on their list.

July 8th, 2011, 6:44 am

 
 

Syrian Commando said:

#116

There’s no point getting them to admit the truth. It’s like getting Israel to apologise to Turkey, even that is a ruse!

It’s all out in the open, anyone who doesn’t admit there are armed gangs that need to be dealt with is a traitor. That means Michael Kilo, Abdul Halim Khaddam and friends are all TRAITORS. These are not legitimate people who represent Syrians and the government should not take them seriously at all.

BTW, check out what the terrorists are doing with people:

Very interesting that they would make him falsely state that he could hear “Persian speech” and imply that it could be Hezbollah. Are these CIA-connected salafists completely retarded? Do they not know they speak Arabic only? What a joke!!!

Of course though, according to the Sayanim/zionists on here these terrorists don’t exist…

July 8th, 2011, 7:21 am

 

syau said:

Demonstrations in support of President Assad, unity and reform underway in Aleppo. Positivity amongst the negativity of the ‘no dialogue’ protests today.

July 8th, 2011, 7:51 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

No Point

The UN report on last year’s Gaza flotilla clash found that Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip is legal and that Jerusalem owes no apology to Turkey for the Mavi Marmara raid, diplomatic sources said.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/un-report-gaza-blockade-legal-israel-doesn-t-owe-turkey-apology-for-marmara-1.371841

Demonstrations in support of President Assad

SYAU,

I also support the President (for Life) of Syria. I think he’s doing the best job he can under the extreme circumstances. The first 11 years is always the hardest.

July 8th, 2011, 7:56 am

 

HS said:

Popular Protest in North Africa and the Middle East (VI): The Syrian People’s Slow-motion Revolution
International Crisis Group, Full Report
Middle East/North Africa Report N°1086 Jul 2011
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

I must commend the amazing work of the unknown writer for the 157 interviews he has conducted with anonymous sources and the reference to 6 Syria Comment’s articles.
There are making the bulk of the incredible 250 references in the Report.

“Unfortunately” , I must wait for the International Crisis Group’s “companion report to be published shortly” to further assess this luminous piece of writing .

July 8th, 2011, 8:00 am

 

syau said:

Syrian Commando #118,

I’m not surprised, such acts of desperation have been happening since day one of the ‘revolution’. No doubt Aljazeera and its likes will air the fake footage anyway.

July 8th, 2011, 8:08 am

 

syau said:

Peaceful protesters are hurling petrol bombs at security personnel in Daraya during their peaceful demonstrations.

July 8th, 2011, 8:32 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Crisis group, a.k.a George Soro’s group is involved now? Good. Every “interview” is now tainted.

By the way somehow the French embassador is now in Hama as well. Please, tell me it isn’t a conspiracy, I beg you.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/188117.html

Deport these bastards already, shutdown these spy stations aka Embassies.

#123 SYAU,

Wow, so peaceful right? Where are you Tara? How do you take molotov cocktails served at you? Shaken or stirred?

July 8th, 2011, 8:34 am

 

syau said:

Armed gangs in Maarat Al Nuuman block Aleppo/Damascus freeway.

July 8th, 2011, 8:47 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Where are the police?

Why aren’t these terrorists in jail, hospital or body bags?

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. If the government doesn’t get rid of these bastards, people are going to start taking the law into their own hands.

July 8th, 2011, 8:49 am

 

syau said:

Hopefully security personnel should be able to disperse/capture them asap. Gangs have now also blocked the freeway between Maarat Al Nuuman & Hama.

July 8th, 2011, 8:53 am

 

Revlon said:

Hama is back: Organised peaceful, puposeful demonstrations is what Hama people do best.

This large peaceful demonstration was made possible by the imposing presence of the guest of honour Ambassador Ford.

His presence today no doubt has saved the city from losing many precious lives at the hands of Jr thugs.

The acts of staged anarchy aptly fit what the regime does best: deceitful, aimless destruction and nmurder.

July 8th, 2011, 8:59 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Damn I wish I was the president of Syria right now.

Our neighbours will be smoldering wastelands of open air gas chambers and all these little sh*tty gangs will be a mess of oxidised proteins. I guess it’s a good thing, lol, I’m so pissed off right now.

Interview on BBC Arabic right now with Sha3ban:

“How can the Ambassador enter Hama when not even ordinary citizens can enter with the blockade of the armed gangs?”

“Syria is 7000 years old. Syria has survived thousands of invasions, we will survive anything you through at us. We will stand the test of time”

HEY REVLON

HOW PEACEFUL ARE MOLOTOV COCKTAILS YOU RETARD?
HOW PEACEFUL ARE THESE TERRORISTS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhmU2N9M0y8

OH SO PEACEFUL!!!!

99% of Syria’s population, with this Hama visit, is now against America. Oh my god, people are pissed, people are so pissed.

You retards just handed the government a mandate. A huge, HUGE mandate.

July 8th, 2011, 9:01 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

MY FATHER, WHO LOST FAMILY MEMBER DURING 1982 TO RIFFA3T’S BLOODBATH IS NOW AGAINST THE CONSPIRACY. HIS EYES ARE NOW FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY WIDE OPEN.

HAHAHAHAHA

CONGRATULATIONS YOU RETARDS, CONGRATULATIONS!!! I HOPE THE VISIT WAS WORTH IT!!!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

July 8th, 2011, 9:06 am

 

Simon said:

#79
What is the big deal about your link of Yesterday?
Even 5 years old knows about the filthy role of Zionism in the whole world.
Iran& Syria shares the same interest,the global power is tipping to the East and USA and Nato are loosing their grips slowly,Russia is a significant power still,China and India are the new emerging power and if Israel is clever enough,it should start asking and begging for peace,USA is bankrupted and cannot carry on supporting Israel.
What are you trying to say again today?I have no clue.
Palestine is not a card in the Israelis hands.
It is about time to talk about peace.

July 8th, 2011, 9:10 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

I hope all of you guys realise that the “undecided” and even some of the “anti-government” people are now wide-wide-wide awake, oh my god. This visit is like a gift from G-d.

Thank you Obama! Thank you so much!!!!

July 8th, 2011, 9:14 am

 

syau said:

Revlon

“The acts of staged anarchy aptly fit what the regime does best: deceitful, aimless destruction and nmurder.” That statement of yours equals the Syrian ‘revolution’.

Enjoy your chaos for now, it wont last.

Syrian Commando,

I watched the interview, she couldn’t have said it better. Syria will stand the test of time, absolutely.

July 8th, 2011, 9:17 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

ME “Terrorism”, No Way Out?

Why aren’t these terrorists in jail, hospital or body bags?

SC,

Maybe because there are too many of them??

If the government doesn’t get rid of these bastards, people are going to start taking the law into their own hands.

How is the gov’t going to “get rid” of thousands of people??

Are you suggesting another Hama? Is that the best idea you can think of?

Assuming all of these people are indeed terrorists, than my perception of Israel having the worst terrorism problem was obviously wrong. Clearly Syria has a much worse “terrorism” problem.

Which begs the question: Did getting in bed with the “resistance” by arab/muslim leaders in Libya, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, etc improve their security or lessen it? And is killing off the “terrorists” in each of these respective countries going to help or hinder the “terrorism” problem?

July 8th, 2011, 9:17 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Revlon, count your days on here, because now the people of Damascus are DEMANDING DEMANDING that the US embassy is closed forever and all the staff deported. IMMEDIATELY.

Ignore the fire starters above, the people’s blood is at boiling point and there’s no going back now. This is a declaration of war against Syria.

AKBAR PLACE,

Let me get something straight, I am against terrorism whether it is in Israel or Syria. It is a dirty dirty tactic and should not be condoned by any civilised person. I understand the Palestinians are struggling against you, but when they start bombing buses filled with children, they’re actually working AGAINST THEMSELVES because they’re out-gunned and out-numbered.

There are indeed many of them, but Syria has very good anti-terror squads which have only been used once or twice. Instead all they seem to do is put police like sitting ducks infront of these terrorists, armed with nothing but a baton. It f**king pisses me off.

July 8th, 2011, 9:19 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

قناة حمد بوراظان وموزه صومالي تعلن
خروج مظاهرات في مدينة القامشلي في محافظة ديرالزور

July 8th, 2011, 9:33 am

 

syau said:

Syria no Kandahar,

LOL.

July 8th, 2011, 9:37 am

 

873 said:

103. Revlon said:
Lieutenant; Amjad Mohammad Al hameed, recent defector, provides account of war crimes commited in Rastan, last month:

Sounds like what the US constantly pays for in Palestine, except Syria doesnt use DU, white phosphorus or cluster bombs.

As an advocate of peoples humanitarian rights, why arent you concerned with rights abuses in Gaza? But your concern is only when calling attn to abuses can be used to take out a regime you want to get rid of?

July 8th, 2011, 9:40 am

 

syau said:

873,

I would say that is because revlons advocacy for humanitarian rights is as fabricated as the so called defector claims he links, even though they have been proven to be fabrications time and time again.

July 8th, 2011, 9:47 am

 

Tara said:

Akbar Palace,

I too do not condone bombing buses of Israeli civillians as a tool of resistance. But I do wholeheartedly support the resistance against Israel continued subjugation of the Palestinians. The value of a human life and human dignity is a universal one applicable to all of us. Don’t you think?

July 8th, 2011, 9:53 am

 

why-discuss said:

Dale Andersen

Beurk…

July 8th, 2011, 10:01 am

 

873 said:

HS said:
“I must commend the amazing work of the unknown writer for the 157 interviews he has conducted with anonymous sources and the reference to 6 Syria Comment’s articles.
There are making the bulk of the incredible 250 references in the Report.”

If you consider 157 ANONYMOUS sources by an ANONYMOUS ‘unknown interviewer’ to be legitimate, I think there may be a correspondent job for you with Mr Murdoch over at News of the World.

Oh yes- we do know he is affiliated with the zio-lite ICG who are connected to WINEP-AEI-JINSA, who partner with faux democracy brokers like IRI, NED, Freedom House and Carnegie Endowment for Covert Ops. ‘Unknowns’ objectivity is guaranteed!

You expect a reasonable person to give credence to Anonymous Unlimited via the above incestuous mafia behind Coup d’Etat Hell??

For God’s sake Sir, get a grip.

July 8th, 2011, 10:03 am

 

AIG said:

SC,

Indian pilots flew Israeli planes in 1973? You are indeed a deluded liar.
But it is not surprising, you lie about everything. What would a lowly university employee know about what is really happening in Syria anyway?

All you are good at is supporting the Assad regime which has tortured and killed thousands. The brave Syrian people will win their freedom and dignity despite the people like you that support torturing and murdering teenagers. Yes, you have tons of excuses that there is no “proof”, but we have seen the videos. Who has the power in Syria? Who over the years has put thousands in jail? The Rabbit of the Golan.

Ford is doing a great job by protecting the people of Hama from murderous people like you. You should thank him for saving Syrian lives. But you don’t care about them do you?

July 8th, 2011, 10:05 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#142

I think he was being sarcastic. I HOPE he was being sarcastic.

#143

Oh be quiet you zionist piece of crap. You’re not even in Israel right now, just shut up you don’t know anything about anything.

My parents saw these indian bastards with their own eyes. You ran out of servicable planes, the three fingers of death got you. You claimed multiple times to hit the SAM HQ but it still stands today (no longer in service but not even a bullet hole on the building). Anyone old enough here to have lived through the Tishreen war will tell people about the executions they used to watch every time they went to the cinemas, where the mercs would admit hitting civilian buildings before meeting their end by a firing squad.

Ford just f**ked up majorly, you’re too stupid to see it through your zionist eyes right now, but you’ll understand soon enough. This is the point of no return.

July 8th, 2011, 10:06 am

 

why-discuss said:

Revlon

128.
Great idea, I think the ambassador should be offered a Ford trailer to move around in Syria to insure peaceful demonstrations.

His nick name would be: Mahatma Ford

July 8th, 2011, 10:07 am

 

HS said:

The visit of US and French Ambassadors in Hama.

They are continuing their promotion trips around Syria to show that it is safe to travel in Syria as a tourist.

Their road show started in Jisr Al Shogour last June.

Wait for their updates of tourism guides with new entries for the marvelous cities of Deraa, .. , etc and their folkloric spring festivals sponsored by wealthy contributors from abroad and aired live on the exclusive Al Jazeera.

July 8th, 2011, 10:10 am

 

Darryl said:

52. Syria no kandahar

If the Hamwis’ get read of the Christians in Hama, I wonder where will they get Arak from?

A few years back a Hamwi Christian here in Australia told me that his dad sold the largest volume of Arak and Alcohol during the month of Ramadan.

Also, I wonder how they hide consuming it? a swiss work colleague of mine who worked in Libya many years ago said the Libyans would drink Alcohol under the bed cover; that way Allah cannot see them.

July 8th, 2011, 10:10 am

 

Revlon said:

Homs, Damascus, Latakia, Aleppo, and all of Syrian cities would have shown demonstrations of unprecedented size in central squares had it not for Jr thugs and his brothers mercinaries.

Hama demonstrations last week and today prove the point.

Homsis have made that point today by demonstrating around symbolic clock, similar to their central square’s, in the traditional neighborhood of Bab Hood

Another, larger one in Homs, AlWa3r

July 8th, 2011, 10:22 am

 

why-discuss said:

Syrians take to the streets as regime lashes at US

http://news.yahoo.com/syrians-streets-regime-lashes-us-131509466.html

Tens of thousands of Syrians carrying olive branches and shouting for the downfall of President Bashar Assad’s regime streamed Friday into the flashpoint city of Hama, where the U.S. and French ambassadors traveled in a strong show of support for the protest movement.
…”People are chanting, ‘We only kneel to God,’ one of the witnesses told the AP by telephone, as the sound of the crowd was heard in the background.
“..The U.S. and French ambassadors traveled to Hama on Thursday and left on Friday before the protests began, according to officials in Washington and Paris…”

Why did they leave before the demonstrations? Fear for their safety? They had seen enough ? There was nobody in the opposition to talk to? Only tens of thousands, what happened to the 400,000?

July 8th, 2011, 10:22 am

 

AIG said:

SC,

Keep going, you are an excellent example what liars and scum the regime supporters are.

No Indian pilot has ever flown missions for the Israeli air force. You just pulled this out of your ass like you pull all your other lies.
Just provide one iota of proof if you can.

Any other Syrian willing to vouch for the Indian pilots fairy tale? How about you WD?

July 8th, 2011, 10:25 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#148. Revlon

Once there was a boy tending the sheep who would continually go up to the embankment and shout, ‘Help, there’s a wolf!’ The farmers would all come running only to find out that what the boy said was not true. Then one day there really was a wolf but when the boy shouted, they didn’t believe him and no one came to his aid. The whole flock was eaten by the wolf.

The story shows that this is how liars are rewarded: even if they tell the truth, no one believes them.

AIG,

Retard, they were NOT flying for the IAF (there was practically nothing left of it, lol). They were mercenaries, hired by your allies. Your fairy tale of fighting us alone is complete bluster. You seriously don’t know shit about the tishreen war, just be quiet before you embarrass yourself any further, no one gives a sh*t. You are the biggest zionist on here.

July 8th, 2011, 10:25 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

People on the street are seriously pissed at France + USA. Whatever little goodwill they had with the population is completely gone, ditto the foreign “activists”. I repeat, this is the point of no return.

Now finally people will blame the conspiracy on the correct parties. (: Game over.

No wonder they’re fleeing Hama as we speak, they realised that their stupid gambit has failed to net them any long-term gains. Huge huge backfire, I’m convinced the west is run by monkeys now.

July 8th, 2011, 10:30 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

I too do not condone bombing buses of Israeli civillians as a tool of resistance. But I do wholeheartedly support the resistance against Israel continued subjugation of the Palestinians. The value of a human life and human dignity is a universal one applicable to all of us. Don’t you think?

Tara,

Again, you ask good questions and so I don’t have any good answers.

Defining “terrorism” is the crux of the issue. Apparently, not even the UN can really define it.

But actually, they have. It is what is termed “the rules of war”.

Unfortunately, these “rules of war” put the Palestinians at a disadvantage. We will probably agree on some of these “rules” and disagree with others.

All people have the right to citizenship, freedom, the ability to participate in elections, and to live in peace. That includes Syrians, Palestinians, Israelis, and all people living on this Earth.

SC – I thought your response in #135 was reasonable. I can’t say with certaintly what percentage of the Syrian demonstrators are “peaceful” or “violent”. At this point, it looks like it could develop into a civil war. However, taking Syria’s “resistance” stance of the past, she has probably burned a lot of bridges in the UN (like Gaddafi). I don’t think the world community is going to cut Syria any breaks.

But if you ask nicely, I can talk to the “Zionist Elders”, and perhaps we can work out something;)

What is this “Indian pilot” issue; I didn’t see it.

SC, what percentage of these people are “terrorists”? :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14083087

July 8th, 2011, 10:33 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

AKBAR PALACE,

I was telling people about the Tishreen war, where we had shot down Israeli pilots but handed them over in prisoner exchanges. We also managed to shoot down non-Israelis who were involved on behalf of your allies, but as they were not a party to the war, they were executed after admitting they targetted civilian infrastructure.

Though the Israeli pilots did target civilian infrastructure, there was a legitimate target under the ground so they were not executed.

About percentages, the terrorists are a small percentage. Actually I would not really call them part of the demonstrators, they just hid behind them using them as human shields. They even shot at them, yugoslavia-civilwar style. Needless to say, even a small amount of terrorists can create absolute chaos when people don’t know what is going on.

As for zionist elders, talk to a decent Rabbi who understands the Torah, avoid the zionist corrupted Judaism which is ruining the good name of Jews.

July 8th, 2011, 10:35 am

 

Abughassan said:

I went against my instinct and decided to listen to a friend’s request and watch aljazeera’s news at 10 Et . 29 minutes of coverage that could have been done in less than 3 minutes. Not a single minutes showed any actual reporting or credible interviews or even any journalistic reference. That was one of the most boring and less rewarding 29 minutes I spent on tv. This Friday was not very satisfying to the demonstrations organizers. Most demos were small and almost none reported in Aleppo and Damascus proper. Reports about large demos in cities other than Hama and Homs were largely untrue and some were totally fake,my cousin denied seeing or hearing any demos in Latakia,another cousin in Aleppo confirmed that Friday was quiet. Security forces kept a low profile but that did not help increase the number of demos. We may be seeing a demonstration fatigue.

July 8th, 2011, 10:38 am

 

Aboud said:

Once there was a Baathist tending the sheep who would continually go up to the embankment and shout, ‘Help, there’s a Salafi!’ The farmers would all come running only to find out that what the Baathist said was not true. Then one day there really was a Salafi but when the Baathist shouted, they didn’t believe him and no one came to his aid. The whole flock was eaten by the Salafi.

Is Syrian Cuckoo still going on about his Zionist-Indian fighter pilots? I guess the tin-foil hats aren’t doing much to help him, are they?

July 8th, 2011, 10:41 am

 

AIG said:

SC,

You are a demented liar. No Indian pilot flew against Syria in the Yom Kipur war. Bring one iota of proof. Of course you can’t. This story came out of your ass like all the other BS that you, a lowly university worker, is inventing.

Go back to Syria or Iran where you belong. Stop using the freedom of speech granted to you in the West to try sabotaging the freedom and dignity of the brave Syrians that have had enough of your muchabart criminals.

The number of people marching against Assad is breath taking. The Syrian security forces will crumble in a matter of weeks.

July 8th, 2011, 10:47 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Revlon
I have a joke for you:
One time a بدوي went to مطعم الحريه he ate ,the food was bad and he was having diarrhea after leaving dropping from his behind for few streets.anotherبدوي stopped him and ask him:ماتندل وين مطعم الحريه(أتدري اين he answered him back:تمش عل هالخريه توصل لمطعم الحريه
Syria should walk on MB and Hama’s gangsخريه
To reach مطعم الحريه

July 8th, 2011, 10:48 am

 

873 said:

145. why-discuss said:
Revlon
128.
Great idea, I think the ambassador should be offered a Ford trailer to move around in Syria to insure peaceful demonstrations.
His nick name would be: Mahatma Ford

LOLOL! Or a Freedom Ford and the Frenchies could have their FEMA Freedom Fries

Was Ford in Hama just to reconnoiter or was he there scouting for AIPAC-Arab recruits for AYM and western NGO humanitarian resistance groups?

July 8th, 2011, 10:48 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

The funny thing is one of the Israelis are more pleasant to talk to than Dumboud lol. Perhaps peace is possible after we get rid of these idiots. Send them to the USA where they can supersize their meals and keep their mouth shut for as long as possible.

AIG,

Hahaha, just keep banging your head on the wall. We know for a fact you used mercenaries to boost your numbers after losing most of your air force. Did you know that the USSR was targetting your aircrafts for us? Did you know that North koreans were digging hug tunnel systems for us? Did you know we had foreign pilots of our own?

Guess you don’t know shit, because Israeli marines I’ve spoken to know all of this. Stay out of Israel, seriously, you give them an even worse name.

#159

I wonder what car he used to get out of Hama so quickly. Could it be … could it be a f-…

July 8th, 2011, 10:49 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Where is your proof of the Indian pilots? Of course you have none for this outrageous lie, just like all your other lies.

Hey, Why-Discuss, do you have anything to say about the Indian Pilots?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-syria-protests-20110709,0,3689753.story

July 8th, 2011, 10:54 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

This degenerate zionist wants to hijack the main focus right now:

Ford’s pick up truck, lol.

I wonder if the salafists started shooting at him when they realised he f**ked up their chance of ever taking power in Syria.

July 8th, 2011, 10:58 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

What the fact are is that after 1973 the Rabbits of the Golan did nothing in the Golan. They submitted to Israel. They tried doing something in Lebanon in 1982 but they lost the most one sided air battle in history.

July 8th, 2011, 11:00 am

 

why-discuss said:

Abughassan

#155 demonstration fatigue

It was 43 degrees in Damascus and Aleppo today. Who wants to demonstrate under this heat?
No wonder protests bloom in spring and die in summer.
Maybe the Arab spring is coming to its end due to meteorological changes, not regime changes.

July 8th, 2011, 11:03 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

You are not getting off the hook until you show proof of your Indian pilots. Just like you are lying about this, you are lying about everything, exactly like the regime you support.

You are an example of what the regime does. It tells outrageous lies to try to fool people. But freedom of speech works both ways and I will hold you accountable for your lies. So where is your proof?

July 8th, 2011, 11:03 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Keep trying to implant degenerate defeatist thought, it won’t work, I can see victory. You will go down peacefully. This was your last chance to start war with us on your own terms. Now the US is decaying and you will have no other alternative but to treat us with respect and choose the peaceful path.

Of course, there’s always war, but now it won’t be on your terms… (;

July 8th, 2011, 11:04 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

It’s Getting Hot Down Here

We also managed to shoot down non-Israelis who were involved on behalf of your allies, but as they were not a party to the war, they were executed after admitting they targetted civilian infrastructure.

SC,

OK. Do you have a link that I can read about this?

About percentages, the terrorists are a small percentage. Actually I would not really call them part of the demonstrators, they just hid behind them using them as human shields. They even shot at them, yugoslavia-civilwar style. Needless to say, even a small amount of terrorists can create absolute chaos when people don’t know what is going on.

What you describe here, I guess, is possible. However, if the overwhelming percentage of protesters are peaceful, that can’t be discounted either, and doesn’t warrant using live ammunition in crowds. Welcome to the world of terrorism. q:o(

As for zionist elders, talk to a decent Rabbi who understands the Torah, avoid the zionist corrupted Judaism which is ruining the good name of Jews.

I know of no “decent Rabbi” who understands the Torah, or who can repair “the good name of Jews”. They’re all gone. I am left all by myself worshipping the God of Zionism and Satan (who are one and the same);)

Pray for me.

July 8th, 2011, 11:04 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

You are not getting off the hook until you show proof of your Indian pilots. Just like you are lying about this, you are lying about everything, exactly like the regime you support.

You see victory? How do you see victory with Assad in charge. He has made Syria one of the most backward countries in the world. Do I need to post the evidence again? All you see is your muchabarat ass losing your job snitching on people.

July 8th, 2011, 11:07 am

 

Aboud said:

AIG, something you should know about Syrian Cuckoo. He never got alot of love as a child, teenager, or man. He throws out statements that he knows are outlandish to draw attention to himself.

Treat him with the same pity one would treat a child who asks where his puppy went to (Correct answer, to Puppy Land with lots of other puppies and snacks and big green fields. Wrong answer: Sorry, your uncle drove over him in his 4 X 4).

“Ibrahim Kashoush said ‘Leave ya Bashar’ So they Murdered Him.
The Assad Regime Silences the Voice of the Syrian Revolution in Hama and Cut his Throat”

إبراهيم قاشوش قال: “ارحل يا بشار” فكان مصيره القتل
نظام الأسد يُخرس صوت مغني الثورة السورية في حماة ويقطع حنجرته

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/08/156654.html

July 8th, 2011, 11:10 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

AKBAR PALACE,

I’m working off memory, but the Pakistanis were flying for us (i.e. mercs):

http://pakistaninside.blogspot.com/2009/08/1973-arab-israeli-war-and-paf-pilots.html

From memory (I can’t find any links) Indians flew for you in retaliation given the special Indian-Israeli relationship (also mercs). Perhaps I messed up their nationality, I’ll ask around and maybe I’ll come up with the link. It’s just that I know for a fact that pilots were executed as a result of the war and that none of them were Israeli pilots.

“They’re all gone. I am left all by myself worshipping the God of Zionism and Satan (who are one and the same);)

Pray for me.”

G-d save your mind. They’re not all gone, it’s just that no one listens to them. ;(

July 8th, 2011, 11:13 am

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

From what I see on YouTube channels, it looks like Dimashq if finally joining the uprise. Today’s theme ‘No Dialog’ is very powerful indeed. More people are demonstrating today than in any other Friday.
.

July 8th, 2011, 11:13 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

There’s absolutely nothing new going on in Damascus other than molotov cocktail throwers (i.e. rioters how are terrorists) and monkey-boy rock throwers. There’s been anti-government protests for weeks. Too small to be significant.

July 8th, 2011, 11:15 am

 

AIG said:

Aboud,

I have been posting and reading this blog for years. And just as you and I probably do not agree on many things, at least we could have had an interesting discussion, just like we used to have here before this demented liar made any chance of that nil.

July 8th, 2011, 11:16 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Why don’t the two of you commit ritual suicide together. You seem like the perfect couple, no?

July 8th, 2011, 11:18 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Where is your proof that Indian pilots flew against Syria? Where is there any proof that any foreign pilot flew against Syria? You are lying again, just like you do all the time, just as your regime does.

I hope it is clear to everybody, that most of your posts are just lies you have pulled out of your ass.

July 8th, 2011, 11:19 am

 

why-discuss said:

Hama people show their love for the US by throwing flowers on ambassador Ford’s car.

Will we see Bibi and Tzipi soon there too?

July 8th, 2011, 11:21 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

You do not understand the concept of freedom of speech do you? But why would you, as you support the Assad regime.

You will be held accountable for your lies. Where is your proof that Indian or other foreign pilots flew against Syria in 73? Of course you have no proof, it is just a lie like all your other lies.

July 8th, 2011, 11:22 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Hounding me won’t speed me up, I don’t give a shit what YOU think, particularly AIG. I never lie. You took something I wrote out of memory and want me to provide proof in things which are only written in books. Nevertheless, I want to find solid proof as well, not for you, but for myself — for future reference.

Also, you wouldn’t know freedom of speech if it smacked you in the face. That’s why you zios like to spam whenever you’re given an open channel, only you deserve the freedom to speak, drowning everyone out with your inane bullsh*t.

July 8th, 2011, 11:25 am

 

AIG said:

Why Discuss,

So now if a Syrian shows appreciation for the fact that the US ambassador protected the brave people of Hama he is also a supporter of Israel? Only in your demented imagination. How low can you go in trying to save the ass of your criminal regime?

July 8th, 2011, 11:25 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

WD,

These traitor-dogs will cheer for satan himself.

July 8th, 2011, 11:26 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Your lie about the Indian pilots is one of many. All you do is lie in order to protect your muchabarat ass. Where is your proof? Of course all your lies are from your “memory” aka your demented mind.

You are supporting a regime that denies Syrians freedom of speech. That does not allow the foreign press in freely. You want people to believe you understand what freedom of speech is?

July 8th, 2011, 11:29 am

 

Tara said:

Most people from Damascus despise the regime even if they do not demonstrate. I know that as a fact.

July 8th, 2011, 11:30 am

 

why-discuss said:

AIG

With all the sanctions the US has been putting on Syria for years because of its resistance to Israel’s ‘demented’ occupation, the ambassador deserves trash and spits on his car, not flowers.

The Hama people may become your best friends…

July 8th, 2011, 11:33 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

75% of french despise Sarkozy, so what? He’ll be reelected ‘democratically’ because there is no one else…

July 8th, 2011, 11:34 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

AIG,

You’re a joke, lol, feel free to latch on this one point of contention. Just know that when I present evidence (of ANY mercs, not just Indian), you’re going to have to promise never to show your face here again. EVER. Deal?

July 8th, 2011, 11:36 am

 

Tara said:

Why,

There is no moral difference in the regime killing Syrians and Israel killing Palestinians. PERIOD. And as a matter of fact it is worse morally.

July 8th, 2011, 11:36 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

What if it was killing people who were killing people.

Oh oh oh suddenly TARA the terrorist is stuck in the corner, since it’s now a FACT that terrorists are roaming the streets of Syria, as acknowledged by the Hag Hillary Clinton herself.

It’s called policing and counter-terrorism. Get used to it, every country HAS to do it, it is their duty.

July 8th, 2011, 11:37 am

 

AIG said:

Why Discuss,

The sanctions were for harboring terrorists for the political gain of the ruthless Assad regime. Plus, Assad always said until recently, that the sanctions do not hurt Syria. Even YOU said it on this blog in previous years. So why are you even using this card?

What did the people of Hama gain from what Assad did? Nothing. They just became poorer. Instead of investing in them, Assad invested in Hamas. Ford is the representative of the international community, without which, Assad would just butcher dissidents without any remorse. The only thing keeping Assad from murdering ten of thousands of Syrians is the international community, and Syrian know that.

July 8th, 2011, 11:39 am

 

Tara said:

Why @ 184,

Not equivalent. Sarkozy did not kill or tortured any potential candidate. The regime did. He killed the potential in us ..But not for too long.

July 8th, 2011, 11:40 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

The deal is simple, you don’t post here anymore until YOU provide serious evidence for what you said. The burden of proof is on you, since you made a claim you cannot back.

July 8th, 2011, 11:41 am

 

why-discuss said:

Shaaban: U.S. Ambassador Visit to Hama at Time of Trying to Solve the Problem Is an Attempt to Prevent Solution

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=89419

July 8th, 2011, 11:44 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

You are lying all the time. Just like your lie about the Indian pilots, you lie all the time. Just like you regime, your credibility is sub zero.

But the low life that you are, I expect you to continue writing without providing proof for your Indian pilots lie.

July 8th, 2011, 11:47 am

 

Tara said:

Commando,

I am not stuck in the corner. Although I find you funny at times (OK very funny), I just am not interested in talking to you until you say sorry. Name calling just does not work and only gest you to be ignored.

July 8th, 2011, 11:47 am

 

Revlon said:

Ambassador Ford’s 4X4 moves slowly through the crowds of demonstrators in Al3asi Square in Hama, today.
A terrific, thug-free scene!

He watched them peacefully chanting:
The people want to down the System!

حماة- زيارة السفير الأمريكي إلى ساحة العاصي 8-7-2011.mp4

July 8th, 2011, 11:47 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

AIG the rhetorical failure,

No deal scum bucket. It’s simple, I present evidence or correction (since, like I said, I know for sure non-Israelis were executed as was played before a movie at the cinema started for ages) and then none of us will have to see your poisoned face again.

Deal or no deal, jerk? How confident are you, scum face?

REVLON,

You’re definitely not helping your case by commending these traitors. Not at all…

TARA,

You keep ignoring my videos demonstrating terrorists. You just don’t want to acknowledge their existence. When you correct this stance, I will withdraw my description.

July 8th, 2011, 11:47 am

 

Nour said:

So AIG the pathological liar is now here throwing a fit pretending to uphold values of honesty and integrity when he never once questioned the lies told by his US and “Israeli” governments. AIG did not once question the entire WMD myth or demand absolute proof of the existence of WMD’s, the excuse of which led to the killing and displacement of millions of people and the destruction of an entire country for generations. AIG did not once demand that the terrorist government of “Israel” provide proof of their claim that there were Iranians fighting with the Lebanese resistance that routed their cowardly soldiers on the ground. Yet now we ar supposed to believe that truth and honesty are his standard?

He further continues to insult Syrians by claiming Syria is one of the most backwards countries in the world, and then feigning care for Syria’s well-being, when we all know what his real interests are. This is a person that has never been to Syria, does not know what Syria is like on the inside, and is completely ignorant of realities in Syria outside of the western Zionist sources that he reads. In what way is Syria one of the most backwards countries in the world? What is the standard used here to make such a determination? Syria is in fact much more advanced than all the US/”Israeli” puppet countries combined. Syria has a highly advanced agricultural system compared to other countries in the region. Syrian industry is independent produces many products other Arab countries only wish they could produce. Syria produces many of its own weapons and missiles militarily. Syria has one of the most advanced pharmaceutical industries, which has become a world class industry that covers over 90% of the local medicinal needs. Why is it that gulf countries always look to hire Syrian doctors, graduates of Syrian medical schools over their own local ones? On the artistic and cultural front, Syrian drama has completely taken over the entire Arab world. Syrian painters and sculptors are world-renowned artists recognized in artistic institutions around the world. Syrian acting school is the single best drama institution in the entire Arab World. The Syrian musical conservatory is probably the best musical conservatory in the region, with the Syrian national orchestra being among the best in the world. This is not to mention the many other fields where Syrians excel.

All this of course is overlooked and ignored by the liar AIG because his only interest is to show how bad Syria is and to try to incite its people in complete chaos in order to serve the interests of the criminal, terrorist, usurping entity. Unfortunately for him, however, the vast majority of Syrians are aware of the dangers faced by their country and have stood united against this filthy conspiracy against their country. Syria is moving forward, and as Walid Moallem said, the Syrian caravan will continue to move no matter how much the dogs bark.

July 8th, 2011, 11:49 am

 

Jad said:

I’m not religious but it’s so very sad to see Omayad mosque in Damascus on Friday as empty as that.
Albouti criticizing Mahatma Ford visit to Hama.

د. البوطي: جهاد في سبيل الله يقوده السفير الأمريكي؟

July 8th, 2011, 11:50 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

In western countries they don’t kill anymore their own people, but they don’t mind killing other countries’ citizens in the thousands and create refugees that they refuse to take in their ‘democratic’ countries. The egocentrism, greed, self-righteousess and hypocrisy of the west is even more repulsive because it hides under great principles.

July 8th, 2011, 11:50 am

 

Tara said:

I also very much agree with AIG statement:

“The only thing keeping Assad from murdering ten of thousands of Syrians is the international community, and Syrian know that.”

July 8th, 2011, 11:50 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#198

Check what Sha3ban said though, you have to admit it’s true:

Answering a question on U.S involvement in the events in Syria, Dr. Shaaban said “This has become quite clear. The U.S. Ambassador’s presence in Hama and in areas which no Syrian citizen can access unless he is with the gunmen is evidence on that.”

She pointed out that Syria is keeping its handling of the riot acts at a minimum, asking “What happens if in any Western city gunmen set up roadblocks and block employees from accessing their offices? In this case, what happens is that the city will be bombed by aircrafts and the issue will be tackled with bulldozers.”

“We tell the West that the measures the Syrian government is taking against the gunmen, saboteurs and rioters and those who back them are the minimum…the Syrians are demanding much more in order to put an end to this abnormal situation in Syria,” said Dr. Shaaban.

Replying to a question on whether the security solution will continue in dealing with the events and demonstrations in Syria, Dr. Shaaban wondered about those who are behind this, asking “Who killed more than 500 officers and members of the army and the Syrian intelligence?…The West refuses to admit there are gunmen who are killing people and it hasn’t condemned that.”

July 8th, 2011, 11:53 am

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

The deal is simple, YOU made the claim, YOU do not post until you prove it. If you are confident you have the information why don’t you just post it instead of playing games? Because you are a pathological liar.

So where is your proof that Indian pilots or any other foreign pilots flew against Syria? Of course you have no proof, just like the regime you support, you lie to try to fool people. But unlike the regime in Syria, here we will hold you accountable. So put up or shut up. Bring the proof or go back to your hole.

July 8th, 2011, 11:54 am

 

Tara said:

Commando,

You say sorry first and then I will look at the videos. That is how it works.

July 8th, 2011, 11:54 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

You’re on you Own

From memory (I can’t find any links) Indians flew for you…

SC,

No links? That’s not very convincing. Anyway, I’m finding this discussion to be a little too crazy.

Just remember, this is just a blog. A chance to blow steam. Nothing more. Nothing here affects an ounce of change.

Reality is:

a.) What happens on the ground.

b.) What happens in the UN.

I would prefer that the forces that want to moderate and modernize their home country could find some agreement with us Israelis/Jews/pro-Israelis. But even that looks tepid at best.

Nope, Israel is still a subject that can’t be touched by those who are oppressed in the Arab world. Chaval.

July 8th, 2011, 11:57 am

 

AIG said:

Nour,

I am for freedom and dignity for the brave Syrian people. It is you that is for continuing with the Assad regime that has made Syria one of the most backward countries in the world. That is not an insult to Syrians. That is a sad fact about how bad Assad is. The potential of the Syrian people is huge. Assad killed this potential and the objective facts based on countless global rankings and report prove it: Assad is ruining Syria.

I do not want bloodshed in Syria. I would be happy to see Assad retire to Iran in 18 months after a peaceful transition to real democracy led by Assad.

July 8th, 2011, 11:59 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

TARA,

Do you promise? I won’t forgive you if you lie to me. 😉

AIG,

LOL, I was writing a summary from memory of stories my parents (who are entirely credible) told me many many years ago and you expect me to dig out a reference which is probably on old reels of film and paperwork, books? Syria hardly documents these things, war videos are hard enough to find online.

Everyone can see you’re being entirely unreasonable, you’re the one who is absolutely confident I am wrong, whereas I am confident that my claim of mercs is at least accurate if imprecise (i.e. it’s possible they were not Indians). NOUR’s post summarises the ridiculousness of your hysterics right now.

You are badgering this point because you have no other points, it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Your tactics would only work with the retarded westerners you probably hang around. You probably think you’re really smart, don’t you? LOL. Like I said, put your money where your mouth is. Either way, I’ll do my research when I have time and resources.

You’re totally hysterical and trying to derail this entire comment section on this off-topic, passing remark.

BESIDES! Mercenaries pilots in 1973 is the least embarrassing thing for you. The biggest embarrassment is right here:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/scampi/citations/112205/10220.html

LOL “mercenary” logistics.

#203

What happens in the UN is an illusion. Decisions are made long before they reach the UN, which is a circus.

Only (a) counts… and even then, it can be morphed by the media as both of us should know.

Israel can indeed be discussed and it’s very relevant to what is going on now. The current government makes it impossible to move in a non-military way. The best chance of peace was hijacked — Ehud Barak. I mean, even my cousin was learning Israeli air codes for possible Tel-Aviv – Damascus flights. Yes, we were that close…

July 8th, 2011, 12:02 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Everyone here sees that just as you lied about the Indian pilots, you lie about everything. I am just focusing on this because it is one of your most obvious lies. Your lying is exactly what the Assad regime is all about. You use the same methods as them. That is why highlighting your despicable actions is very relevant to this comment section. It alerts people to how low the regime and its supporters will go. You are the perfect example of the how Assad uses lies to fool people. But here on this blog there is freedom of speech, and you will be held accountable for your lies.

July 8th, 2011, 12:07 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

“In western countries they don’t kill anymore their own people, but they don’t mind killing other countries’ citizens in the thousands and create refugees that they refuse to take in their ‘democratic’ countries. The egocentrism, greed, self-righteousess and hypocrisy of the west is even more repulsive because it hides under great principles.”

“more repulsive” is where we diameterly differ. It is much less repulsive for me to be killed by an Israeli than to be killed by you.

July 8th, 2011, 12:07 pm

 

Tara said:

Commando,

I promise but you need to say sorry first.

can’t open links at work though but I will when I can but say sorry first.

July 8th, 2011, 12:10 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>Everyone here sees that just as you lied about the Indian pilots, you lie about everything. I am just focusing on this because it is one of your most obvious lies.

LOL, I like your logic.

See, here’s how a reasonable person, confident of his abilities would approach this issue:

“SC, please cite information about the indian mercenary claim”

Here’s how someone who is desperate for a victory would approach the issue:

“OMG OMG THERE’S NO PROOF YOU DEMENTED LIAR (it’s only a lie if done intentionally), OMG THAT MEANS EVERYTHING ELSE HE SAID IS A LIE (logical fallacy)”

Absolutely shameless, absolutely pathetic, I’m glad NOUR called you out. You truly are a degenerate, hideous creature. I don’t know how you can show your face in public…

TARA,

OK I’m holding you on this one, don’t run away!

I’m sorry for calling you “TARA the terrorist” ^_~ I couldn’t help it, TARA looks like … you know…

Anyway check these two videos when you get back from work:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAHIC09yaw

I have more horrible videos of the salafists, but I want to spare you the disgust. Not even I could watch them to the end, they’re just too disturbing.

July 8th, 2011, 12:11 pm

 

atassi said:

Syria’s angel of death gives insight into terror
Jonathan Jones
9 Juli 2011
Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2011. All rights reserved

Jonathan Jones: Framing the debate: The footage showing a lone gunman shooting randomly before turning his fire on the cameraman is too raw not to be real

The angel of death has been caught on camera. That is what a gunman randomly shooting from a dark doorway looks like in raw and terrifying video footage that has surfaced this week on YouTube. Wearing military-looking khaki and firing quite randomly at people in a Syrian city, “without any reason and no demonstrations”, the figure embodies the stories of ruthless state violence emerging from a country where conventional reporting is all but impossible.

You look at death, and death looks at you. The cameraman – apparently using a mobile phone to grab these images in the heat of the moment – nervously and jerkily photographs a vertiginous collage of building facades, balconies and a fleeing crowd on the street below before homing in on the sinister military figure who is shooting from a doorway on a balcony just below his elevated viewpoint. But no sooner does the camera see the assassin than the assassin sees the photographer: and shoots. The last part of the video is a brown abstract mist as we hear moans against continuing shots and yells.

Life here seems to have created its own grisly remake of Alfred Hitchcock’s Rear Window. The analogies are eerily close. Hitchcock’s classic film is set in an enclosed urban space, with tall buildings facing one another over a courtyard. As an injured war photographer recuperates in his apartment he becomes a voyeur out of boredom and witnesses a murder: he has to use the flash of his camera as a defence when the murderer comes to get him. James Stewart survives, but this photographer appears to have died. And instead of the painted wooden architecture of a Hitchcock film set, the power of this sequence of images lies in the rapid jagged evocation of a very real city: the messy jumble of balconies and stained walls, the glimpses of blue sky and the road below, the surfaces of concrete and asphalt, take us into the textures and experience of urban Syria. And then that doorway materialises, dark and bleak, and the shooter appears.

Yet all its echoes of fictional cinema raise a question. Is this film entirely reliable and authentic? It was posted on YouTube earlier in the week but soon some viewers started to raise doubts, as was reported by Global Voices. The way that I have described the video perhaps fuels suspicion. For can it really be chance that has replicated the classic topos of the endangered voyeur perfectly so framed by Hitchcock? With tight press controls in place in Syria, and the consequent impossibility of checking facts, scepticism is inevitable. It is natural to be cautious after the widely followed blog A Gay Girl in Damascus was exposed as a hoax. So, let’s begin with a tough question: is this film a fake?

We should start not with art criticism, but history. Contemporary events in Syria conform to patterns of violence that go back to the 1980s. This week protesters, or people the army classed as protesters, have been killed in Hama, as resistance to the regime of Bashar al-Assad refuses to fade away. The focus on Hama chills those who can remember the events of 1982. It was the city where the Assad family chose to obliterate a rebellion by the Muslim Brotherhood. After violence by both sides failed to settle an Islamist rising, Rifaat al-Assad led a military onslaught on Hama that culminated in a systematic campaign of cold-blooded executions in which at least 10,000 people died.

Just to describe that calculated use of extreme violence is to see how the images in this film do indeed fit the facts of Syrian government violence. The gunman hidden in a doorway is the kind of calculated random attack by which this regime has traditionally outfought threats. It is a government with an appetite for violence and a policy of overreaction that has until now been highly effective. The more you look at the known facts the more this footage feels true.

Its soundtrack – even for anglophone listeners – surely clinches the authenticity. Moans and cries, shots and sounds of panic are too real to be faked. The blank screen as the cameraman lies dying is another rawly real aspect of the footage. To doubt this film’s reliability is, in the end, to doubt too much. It is a visceral insight into what is happening right now in Syria, a glimpse of a truth more calamitous than fiction.

July 8th, 2011, 12:17 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar and hypocrite,

I am just giving you a little dose of your own medicine. Are you know preaching for decency on this blog after YOU have abused countless commenters with your vile rhetoric?

How do you dare post here without any shred of evidence backing your blatant lie about Indian pilots flying against Syria? But why am I not surprised. You act just like the ruthless and lying regime you back. You use lies to abuse Syrians and whoever else stands in your own mafia’s way. Give us the evidence or return to your hole.

July 8th, 2011, 12:17 pm

 

atassi said:

Huge Syrian protest as the regime accuses US of inciting unrest; 13 killed
By DIAA HADID and BASSEM MROUE
Associated Press
Associated Press Newswires
BEIRUT (AP) – Hundreds of thousands of Syrians carrying olive branches and shouting for the downfall of President Bashar Assad’s regime streamed Friday into the flashpoint city of Hama, where the U.S. and French ambassadors traveled in a strong show of support for the protest movement.

Mass demonstrations also erupted in cities and towns nationwide, triggering a crackdown that killed at least 13 people and wounding more than 40, activists said. But Hama’s demonstration was by far the largest and most closely watched.

Two witnesses said crowds were swelling in the central city, which has become a focal point of the uprising and has drawn the largest crowds since the revolt began nearly four months ago.

“People are chanting, ‘We only kneel to God,’ one of the witnesses told the AP by telephone, as the sound of the crowd was heard in the background. He asked for anonymity, fearing for his personal safety.

Another activist estimated the demonstration was even larger than last Friday’s turnout of around 300,000 — possibly encouraged by the ambassadors’ visits.

“There was no violence. As long as we have no security forces, we have no violence,” said the activist, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because of fears of reprisals.

Hama poses a potential dilemma for the Syrian regime because of its place as a symbol of opposition to the rule of the Assad family. In 1982, the late Hafez Assad ordered troops to crush a rebellion by Islamist forces, killing between 10,000 and 25,000 people, rights activists say.

A major offensive could make the city a fresh rallying cry for the opposition, but Assad’s regime also does not want a repeat of last Friday’s stunning rally, when an estimated 300,000 people protested.

The U.S. and French ambassadors traveled to Hama on Thursday and left on Friday before the protests began, according to officials in Washington and Paris.

U.S. Ambassador Robert Ford’s trip drew strong condemnation from the Syrian government, which said the visit was unauthorized and a clear sign that Washington was inciting unrest in the Arab nation. Relations between the U.S. and Syria are chronically strained over Assad’s close ties with Iran.

“The presence of the U.S. ambassador in Hama without obtaining prior permission from the Foreign Ministry as stipulated by instructions distributed repeatedly to all the embassies is clear evidence of the U.S. involvement in the ongoing events in Syria,” the state-run news agency reported Friday, citing an unnamed “official source” at the Foreign Ministry.

The U.S. is trying to “aggravate the situations which destabilize Syria,” the statement said.

A video posted on YouTube showed an SUV driving near what appeared to be the giant clock in Hama’s central Assi Square as young men chanted: “People want the downfall of the regime.” People tossed flowers and olive branches onto the vehicle, which the person making the video said was carrying Ford.

Later Friday, pro-regime activists called for a demonstration outside the U.S. Embassy in Damascus to protest Ford’s trip to Hama.

In Washington on Thursday, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Ford “spent the day expressing our deep support for the right of the Syrian people to assemble peacefully and to express themselves.”

Ford reached the city after passing checkpoints run by the military and Hama residents. Nuland said he met nervous residents and saw many shops closed because of a protest-linked strike. He also visited a hospital treating the wounded.

The Syrian government did not comment on French Ambassador Eric Chevallier’s trip to Hama.

France’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement that Chevallier’s visit shows “France’s concern for the Syrian population … (France) denounces the pursuit of violence and arbitrary arrests and the absence of a credible commitment from the Syrian authorities to a political reform process.”

Hama residents have shut down the city in recent days, going on strike and trying to prevent security forces from entering by setting up checkpoints of tires and concrete blocks.

Still, the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 21 people have been killed there since Tuesday. Another group, the National Organization for Human Rights in Syria said, as many as 22 people were shot dead and more than 80 wounded.

The Syrian regime has used a mix of fierce violence and promises of imminent reform to try to quell the uprising, which was inspired by the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. Some 1,600 people and 350 members of security forces have been killed since demonstrations began, activists say.

The regime blames “armed thugs” and foreign conspirators for the unrest, not true reform-seekers.

Also Friday, security forces killed three protesters in Maaret al-Numan, a town on the highway linking Damascus, the capital, with Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, said Syrian rights activist Ammar Qurabi.

Ten other people were killed around the country, including one in Damascus, six in the Damascus suburb of Dumair and three in the central city of Homs. Syrian state-run TV said the deaths in Damascus and Homs were caused by snipers from “armed gangs.”

Overnight, Syrian forces killed three people in a demonstration in the Damascus suburb of Harasta, activists said. Many protesters have recently been opting for nighttime demonstrations and candlelight vigils, aiming for a time when the security presence thins out.

Three activists confirmed the Damascus death toll to The Associated Press.

A Syria-based activist said residents told him that security forces used live bullets and smoke bombs to quell the demonstration. He spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing for his own safety.

Syria has banned nearly all foreign media and restricted media coverage, making it nearly impossible to independently verify events on the ground

July 8th, 2011, 12:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Commando,

You also need to say sorry for the name calling yesterday. Remember: Traitor? And please feel free to sending any other horrible salafist videoes you may have. I do want to look.

All,Just FYI

د. البوطي is looked at with contempt in the Damascenes society. I never wanted to judge him until the restoration of Niqab in schools/universities and the closure of the gambling casino that he requested from Bashar. Only then.. I felt very comfortable judging him.

July 8th, 2011, 12:23 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>How do you dare post here without any shred of evidence backing your blatant lie about Indian pilots flying against Syria?

OK this is my last reply to you AIG, you clearly have a mental illness (aspergers? autism?). I just told you, (about … 3 times now?), I was working off memory and off testimony from my parents. i.e. 3rd hand information. I gave you an indication that it is low-quality information, that was my source.

Now, I am confident my parents weren’t fabricating events, maybe they were wrong about the ethnicity. Perhaps the mercs were not even pilots (doubt it, they had that one down specifically), but there were certainly execution. The description of executions being played just before a movie starts at cinemas to the cheers of the audience is simply too surreal for a human mind to make up. I’ll investigate this thoroughly, again, not for your sake, but for my own.

Ad hominems, purposeful aggravation, are all part of the tools of rhetoric. That said, I try to be a gentleman to everyone who behaves like a gentleman, i.e. not continually lying (like you are, believe it or not), not continually dodging the question/argument (again, like you), not calling me names (e.g. ba’athist, assadist, etc. etc., as I was called by dumboud), or showing a great degree of insincerity that needs to be called out.

End of discussion with you AIG. May G-d heal your mental illness. If only you behaved more like Akbar Palace, who rightfully put me in my place (that is, until I have something more substantial) and with a certain degree of class if I may say so.

July 8th, 2011, 12:25 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

TARA,

Fair point, I take back the claim that you are a traitor since you’re giving me YOUR WORD that you will watch the videos.

I will not send you the video of the Salafists killing Syrians in the most brutal manner. I could not watch it to completion myself, I am pained, very deeply, by seeing Syrian blood flow, even from the misguided terrorists themselves. The death of every Syrian brings me pain. I don’t want to parade their blood to further my point. The two videos I’ve sent alone should be enough evidence for you…

July 8th, 2011, 12:28 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

The repulsion is not to know by whom you are killed. Once you dead, you don’t care anymore.
The repulsion is their talks of human rights, freedom, when western countries are mostly interested in preserving their high level style of life by plundering the resources of the oil rich and the underdevelopped countries.
They don’t mind killing thousands and millions of the non nationals, but they make a big fuss when one of their kind is killed, as if they are a superior race! Look at all the fuss about one israeli soldier held by Hamas when there are thousands of palestinians in Israeli jails.
It just show how they perceive themselves.

July 8th, 2011, 12:28 pm

 

netenyahu_in_hama said:

What??? now America will save Syria?? wow this is dangerous friends, and VERY desperate!

The US and the Zionists industrialists around the world are turning the middle east into HELL and they are now posing as saviors and friends of “opposition“. HEY haven`t you guys HAD history courses??? GUYS EVER HEARD of: HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF…??

They should send Feltman, Foxman and friends to Aleppo and we’ll show them Syrian hospitality à la Iraqi style.

I mean even if you send Bush or Netenyahu to Hama, they will receive them the same way they received the US ambassador yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIk_bRweH4&feature=player_embedded

ISN`T IT TIME TO BURN THE LARGEST AMERICAN FLAG EVER SEWN ON SYRIAN LAND????????

July 8th, 2011, 12:29 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Treat scum and dirt like you with class? You should be treated exactly like you treat others. What irony that you cannot take your own medicine, just like the regime you represent. That is why you are against freedom of speech in Syria and why you support the regime that is everyday killing Syrians just for being against it.

You lied about the pilots just as you lie about everything. You were just thinking that this blog is like Syria, where the regime can lie and nobody can hold it accountable. But keep posting. You help me show what the Syrian people are up against, a ruthless lying regime that is only good at excuses. Show the evidence or return to your hole.

July 8th, 2011, 12:33 pm

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

Now, this junta is begging for dialog, and the people tells them, No Dialog with you. Leave.

=========
SC,

My parents taught me, never admit you lied. If you lie, go to the end with your lie.

there’s nothing more pathetic than admitting lying.
.

July 8th, 2011, 12:38 pm

 

N.Z. said:

The West refuses to admit there are gunmen who are killing people and it hasn’t condemned that.”

Buthaina, Syrians do not care what the West thinks, Syrians know first hand how much you and those you represent value their lives and dignity. We know that when the regime’s security forces are in any city or village, civilians get killed, we know that Syrians are refusing orders to shoot their fellow brothers,your shabiha give them a choice, either kill or get killed, they have the freedom to choose.

Allow the media in, or keep quiet and blame yourselves only. Only in Syria we have to believe in miracles, when there is no regime forces, the number of dead is null.

July 8th, 2011, 12:42 pm

 

Abu Umar said:

Nour,

“You need to get a hold of yourself. Obviously your emotional attachment to certain factions blinds you from reality and prevents you from objectively analyzing events.”

Would you say the same thing about the menhebek crowd?

” The Lebanese Civil War included crimes and atrocities committed by all sides, and I have never spared any side from my condemnation in the way in which they behaved during that ugly episode in our history. This means that the Palestinian factions were also not innocent parties in what took place there and their actions were definitely not any cleaner than those of the Syrian regime. I don’t want to rehash everything that happened during the Lebanese Civil War because it will only serve to stir emotions and incite people against each other, which is not what responsible people should be doing.”

I didn’t say that the Palestinians were innocent, but it is the pinnacle of hypocrisy to pretend to care about the Palestinian cause, when your regime is drenched in the blood of Palestinians. Secondly, the Syrian regime massacred Palestinians in Lebanon before the Israeli invasion.

“From the rest of your statement you clearly appear to be a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and are living in denial regarding their role in Syria. You excuse the participation of MB members in a Zionist conference because you don’t want to criticize the MB regardless of what they do.”

I will condemn any group which colloborates with the West or the Zionists against their own people, including the MB, like the Iraqi MB which colloborated with the Americans in Iraq and if the Syrian MB agree to Western intervention, then I will strongly condemn them. It is the lunatic menhebek crowd which ignores the treachery of Assad’s grandfather with the French imperialists and his praise of the Zionists, the colloboration of Hafez al-Assad in Gulf War I, prisoners who were renditioned by the CIA to be tortured in Syria, etc. so spare your fake “mumaana” nonsense.

” You ignore that the MB did ask for foreign intervention, but you probably find that requesting a Turkish invasion of Syria is completely acceptable.”

The Turkish government is just as hypocritical as the Syrian gov’t on the Palestinian issue, but you certainly don’t have a problem with the Syrian occupation of Lebanon for decades before the Israeli invasion in 1982 and the American gov’t allowed Hafez al-Assad to re-invade Lebanon in exchange for his collaboration in Gulf War I. Not to mention, the Iraq war, where Syria’s new allies like Nouri al-Maliki came in upon American tanks with nary a word from the menhebek crowd or Hasan Nasrallah.

“The fact is that the MB will sell Palestine in a second to get what they want. And from all indications, this is exactly what they are doing.”

Is Hamas selling Palestine out? It is the Syrian regime which is much more willing to sell Palestine as they have cynically done.

“This is not to mention that the MB is a terrorist organization that has killed thousands of Syrians.”

And your beloved regime and its allies like Amal have also killed thousands? Whats the difference?

“They are murderous thugs that cannot tolerate anything different from their narrow religious views, which is why I believe that a whole new secular constitution should be written in order to expose these so-called “Revolutionists” for what they really are.”

So why is your Syrian regime allied to Iran or to various “Islamist” Shi’ite groups? Why don’t you go preach secularism in Iran or Southern Iraq or hold a gay pride parade there and see the reception?! Why don’t you condemn Hamas, which is much more conservative than the Syrian MB and which has refused to support the Syrian regime.

” It is quite telling that you attack and belittle the army that fought “Israel” heroically in 1973 and in 1982, but you glorify an organization that never fired one shot against any “Israeli” target and never will.”

Who said that the Ikhwan didn’t fight in Palestine as they did fight in the 40’s as did various Islamic figures like the Syrian shaykh, Izz ad-Deen al-Qassam and Hamas. They fought heroically too. Are you going to commend them too? I didn’t say that the Syrian government didn’t fight the Israelis or that it doesn’t have its good deeds but that the overall Syrian policy towards the Palestinian issue is hypocritical and insincere.

” It’s funny you mention Hamas when you should know full well that NO Arabic country other than Syria was willing to support ANY Palestinian resistance. And Hamas would have had NOWHERE to go were it not for Syria.”

Hamas doesn’t need the patronage of the criminal Syrian regime and I have no doubt that they will sell them out.

“Enough with the lies and the nonsense only to inflame people. What is happening in Syria on the ground is much more complicated than you are making it out and your irresponsible calls can only lead to further destruction of the Syrian state and society, as happened in Iraq.”

So why did your friends in Iraq ride in on Americans tanks? What happened to your “mumaana” nonsense? Your Iraqi Shi’ite allies wanted to rule Iraq because they are the majority and many Syrian Sunnis want the same thing because of what they tasted from your beloved regime.

July 8th, 2011, 12:46 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Amir in Tel Aviv,

>My parents taught me, never admit you lied. If you lie, go to the end with your lie. there’s nothing more pathetic than admitting lying.

My parents taught me never to lie, and I never do. There’s nothing more pathetic than not admitting when you’re wrong. Except those who mock those who have enough honesty and decency to do so.

Choose your words carefully, such openness can come back later to harm you. (;

July 8th, 2011, 12:50 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

You make them a “superior” race when you look at yourself “inferiorly”. This is a mutual relationship and that is how I see it.

Remember Tara story # 3 and my love affair with HA. The story is very real. One of the reasone why I have this intense passion about HA is that it was the only entity, in my opinion, in modern Arab history that made us equally superior. HA cares about all their members even their dead, exactly like Israelis care about their own. A trait that does not currently exist any where else in the Arab world. A syrian is worth 14 cents in Syria, the price of a bullet. Did we not read that somewhere yesterday?

Our own life has no value in our countries and that is exactly what makes “them” superior. It is how we perceive ourselves. Not how they perceive us.

July 8th, 2011, 12:52 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

TARA,

>Our own life has no value in our countries and that is exactly what makes “them” superior. It is how we perceive ourselves. Not how they perceive us.

Well put…

July 8th, 2011, 12:55 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

We just exposed how you lied about the Indian pilots flying against Syria and now you claim you “never lie”? You are caught in a lie again. But of course, you lie all the time, like the mafia regime you represent.

Show us the evidence or return to your hole.

July 8th, 2011, 12:55 pm

 
 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Remember this comment of yours:
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=10574&cp=2#comment-259643

You claim Azmi Bishara was caught being bribed on air. Care to show proof of that you pathological liar?

July 8th, 2011, 1:03 pm

 

N.Z. said:

Imagine if Zionists admit their colossal lie. A lie that turned a people, namely, the Palestinians into refugees in their homelands and around the world,

#218,

I applaud your honesty, AIG, were you taught the same lesson.

The world does not revolve around Jewish people. Israel is no longer the number one issue in the Arab mind. Cleaning our inner house is a priority.

July 8th, 2011, 1:04 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Here you go retard,

Really, this is the last message from me. Someone heal him.

#227

I really admire his honesty but at the same time, doesn’t that honesty mean that he’s dishonest? o_O Bernard Russell would be proud.

July 8th, 2011, 1:08 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Here is another of your lies.

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=10567&cp=1#comment-259182

Can you show us any proof regarding Bandar and Hariri? Of course not, because you are a pathological liar.

July 8th, 2011, 1:12 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Hey guys, didn’t he call the previous assertion a lie and I presented proof? Doesn’t that mean he lied?

LOL. Seriously, someone clean up this piece of dirt off the floor, he doesn’t deserve a minute of my attention.

http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en/Article/view/86507

It’s interesting the degenerate zionist here has a file on me. I must be really effective at communicating the truth. Gosh darn, I amaze myself sometimes. ^_^

July 8th, 2011, 1:14 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

You think some falsehood someone posted on youtube is evidence? Why is Azmi still being invited to Al-Jazeera if they exposed he was taking bribes? Do you have any reputable source? Of course not, because you are a pathological liar.

July 8th, 2011, 1:15 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Laughing my ass off right now. Oh man.

July 8th, 2011, 1:17 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Citing unreliable sources as “facts” is exactly the kind of lying you and the regime do. Show us this information from a reputable source.

You do not say “according to this paper such and such”, you claim as true the facts you want to support. This is a more subtle form of lying, but it is lying nonetheless. You do exactly what the regime does. Keep putting forward your “sources” just so people see what a joke you are.

July 8th, 2011, 1:19 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Isn’t freedom of speech a bitch? Isn’t this the reason you and your regime won’t accept it in Syria? If freedom of speech was in place, people could make you and the mafia regime you support accountable for your lies, distortions and fabrications.

Where is the proof for the Indian pilots? Where is the proof for your statements from reputable sources? You have nothing. Go back to your hole.

July 8th, 2011, 1:21 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>Citing unreliable sources as “facts” is exactly the kind of lying you and the regime do.

It’s almost surreal XD Am I the only one not missing the irony of this statement? Oh man I hope this never ends. I promise not to feed him anymore but Jesus Christ of Nazareth, what a rush.

July 8th, 2011, 1:23 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

“Our own life has no value in our countries”

I agree, our life has no value anymore than anyone in the world, not because we are syrians, or arabs but because we are human beings, and equal in front of God.
But many westerners consider that because they belong to a democracy or they are rich and financially successful, their life is more valuable than others. It does not make them superior it makes think they are superior, but of course I perceive them like they are, arrogant, hypocritical and selfish.

July 8th, 2011, 1:30 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

No weaseling will help you here. Where is the evidence? Where is is? Citing unreliable sources not confirmed by any serious publication will not cut it. You are a pathological liar, just like the regime you support.

Instead of giving excuses, give evidence? Can you? No you can’t because you are a lying weasel just like the regime you support.

July 8th, 2011, 1:30 pm

 

daleandersen said:

A Poem to my good buddy, Syrian Commando

Reality
Is what we see
It’s not your dreams
Or fantasies
You think you think
You know
But you don’t…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dale_Andersen/syrians-flee-opposition-town-hama-government-crackdown-_n_891980_95983081.html

July 8th, 2011, 1:38 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Stale dumb person, you’re not helping anyone out here, haha.

Apparently there’s 10,000 or more people outside the US embassy demanding the expulsion of Ford. I expect the crowds to increase. Doubt the Syrian government will expel him as it would mean severing all relations with the US. They MIGHT expel the French jerk though.

July 8th, 2011, 1:41 pm

 

AIG said:

SC demented liar,

Where is your evidence?
Glad to know you are an enemy of the US.

July 8th, 2011, 1:43 pm

 

George said:

Ayman Midani, Consul General of Syria in Houston, TX said “the regime should kill all the people in Jisr Al Shoughour”
is the syrian government satisfied by such a statement?
are the syrians in texas happy with such remaks?
Does Mr. Midani think the problem will be solved by commiting more crimes? I wonder what he thinks should be done in Hama, probably anaother massacre.

July 8th, 2011, 1:48 pm

 

why-discuss said:

SC

The French ambassador has never been very supportive of the opposition, maybe this is why his presence in Hama was not yet criticized.

I really wonder what the Syrian local opposition thinks of all this. Maybe Kilo and other opposition elders will be tempted now to join the dialog on Sunday in view of the blatant interference of foreign powers in Syria’s internal problems that they have always decried.

July 8th, 2011, 1:52 pm

 

daleandersen said:

Memo To: SYRIAN COMMANDO

RE:”…Damn I wish I was the president of Syria right now…”

So do I. Up to now, we’ve had amateur fuckups running the show. What Syria needs is a really professional fuckup in charge.

And that’s you, bro…

By the way, be careful. There are members of the al-Mukhabarat lurking about on this blog, 873 and Mina and Samara for example. I’d hate it if they reported to Junior that you’re after his job. So again, be very careful. This blog would not be the same without you…

http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/06/stuck-in-damascus-with-memphis-blues.html

July 8th, 2011, 1:54 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

George,

If this isn’t a lie then Ayman Midani must be fired immediately and exiled from Syria. This kind of barbarism will not be tolerated any longer. A person in his position should never lash out emotionally like this.

why-discuss,

I kind of doubt Kilo et al. will do ANYTHING of value. Didn’t one of their reps visit master zionist Bernard Levy? That alone tarnishes the entire group.

There’s plenty of other reputable people, I especially hope (dream) that Bassam AlKadi will be involved. There’s some serious leadership material in that man.

July 8th, 2011, 1:59 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

noticed on yahoo the tamer story. reads like it is a cousin to the iraqi incubator lie.

quite a bit of jewish, sorry, israeli, gas bagging, hyperventilating, and lying on SC today.

but

this is what they do when they arent stealing land, killing trees, poisoning water, murdering pregnant women and stomping on babies.

friday sabbath. a blessed day for muslims.

a day israelis envy, hate and do their best to eradicate.

because

jews, sorry, israelis, envy and hate what is superior to them.

diseased minds.

just read their poor excuses for comments here and other places esp in the jsm (jew stream media).

diseased thinking passed from generation to generation.

July 8th, 2011, 2:02 pm

 

Simon said:

SYRIAN COMMANDO
I think these guys are looking for punch bag today,it wasn’t good idea after all to stop them talking about Hitler.
Cheer up,Celui qui rira bien,rira le dernier .

July 8th, 2011, 2:04 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#247

Don’t worry, I can smell the desperation and some people seem to be unfamiliar with “pyrrhic victories” (despite it not being over yet (;). I appreciate it though, merci beaucoup mon ami.

It’s funny, today was a pyrrhic victory for Ford. Large Hama crowd, terrorists activated but he spelled the death of the fake revolution. My oh my, monkeys at the helm can do a lot of damage to one’s cause.

July 8th, 2011, 2:10 pm

 

HS said:

The use of foreign pilots by Israel Air Force for the French built Dassault planes

http://reocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/2848/mystere.htm

“Of the three planned Mystere squadrons only the “First Fighter” had been formed by that time and the Mysteres intended for a second squadron were operated by French pilots sent to protect Israel”

“A total of 421 Mysteres IVAs have been build, serving with the French, Israeli and Indian air forces.”

July 8th, 2011, 2:12 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

wasting time arguing with willful, wanton, paid liars. no, not american politicians. the zionized, diseased characters commenting against the legitimate government of syria.

as said earlier, sabbath friday. a day to relax. a day to enjoy. a day to give blessings that the zionized monster will die.

July 8th, 2011, 2:18 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Where is the proof for you three lies so far? Why do you continue posting without giving any proof? Thanks again for showing us what the Syrian regime is. Lie your face off, but when called about it run away or blame “Zionism”. Bring the evidence or go back to your hole.

July 8th, 2011, 2:25 pm

 

AIG said:

Simon,

Yes the Syrians will laugh when they get rid of Assad and his mafia regime, a regime that has made Syria one of the most backward in the world. Do the Syrians deserve this humiliation given to them by Assad?

July 8th, 2011, 2:28 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,@ 237

You missed my point… I know by choice,
but that is OK.

July 8th, 2011, 2:31 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Here is another one of your lies. You claim you want peace and will never attack Israel unless previously attacked, but write the opposite here:

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=10567&cp=1#comment-259205

You say:
“No need to wait for them to go to hell. When this is all over, believe me, we will bring hell directly to them.”

So when were you lying? When you wrote the comment or when you said you won’t attack Israel first?

Where is the proof for the Indian Pilots story? We are still waiting.

July 8th, 2011, 2:33 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#249 Thanks for the investigation HS,

To be fair, this is not sufficient proof in this instance, but it demonstrates the pattern of the west fighting Israel’s wars for it. From memory the scum mercs were flying F-4 phantoms but it could have been. I’ll keep digging and ask my parents tomorrow, they’ll know the details for sure.

It’s quite funny, this hit a sensitive spot for zionist supremacists who like to brag how they defeated “all the arab armies” on their own, ignoring the mercs and free equipment they used.

By the way, just to put out the lie this autistic adult is promoting, that “hell” comment was directed at Qatar and other Arab states. These Arab states are nothing but scum, I respect Israel a lot more than them — a thousand times more in fact. Relatively of course, you know what I think of the zionist state (but the arabs are somehow WORSE!).

July 8th, 2011, 2:37 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Caught in a lie again and trying to weasel out. Of course you meant all enemies of Syria. And is your excuse now that you would not attack Israel until you were attacked by it, but other Arab countries you would attack unprovoked??? How exactly are you going to attack Qatar by the way pathological liar?
Do you want people to actually believe this sorry excuse. Qatar has investments in Syria and has helped Syria countless of times. Yet, do you really believe Syria will attack it, or are you simply just lying as usual and then making up sorry excuses? Your web of lies and deceits is so obvious. You do not hesitate to lie, just like the Assad regime you support.

July 8th, 2011, 2:46 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Seriously, I feel like I’m polluting this place so if this hemorrhoid is allowed to continue to post I’ll just stop replying in order to stop the spam.

Now, the degenerate asshole does not understand how the comment system works on here, so allow me to give everyone a brief lesson.

When you make a comment for the first time, an admin must approve it, but it is inserted into the list of comments without occupying a slot. Now, the moment it is approved SUBSEQUENT comments are pushed down. That is why if you reference comments by number only, when this happens, you will end up referencing the wrong post.

If you observe, I referenced post #22 there, which was about plutonium or whatever. Nothing to do with Israel.

The ACTUAL post I referenced is now post #24 by Samara* which was the following:

“That clip again proved the extreme level at which these morons will go to, in order to condemn the Syrian President and his soldiers. They can burn slowly in hell for their lies are greeted with naive and ignorant international co-conspirator support, again, who want to Syria dragged down. Lets hope that while these liers burn, they remember why, and thus they will see what their lies achieved for them.”

Now, who is the biggest two liars at the moment? That’s right, Saudi Arabia (Al arabiya) and Qatar (Al Jazeera). It should be clearly obvious to anyone with an IQ over 70 what my intended target was.

QED

What a pathetic piece of garbage, I wouldn’t even spit on you, AIG, you honestly disgust me in your mannerism and desperation to make even the lamest point. I’m untouchable and that is why you are trying so hard, you know how awesomely powerful my words are.

* If you’re absolutely paranoid search for “hell “, you’ll find two consecutive occurrences.

July 8th, 2011, 2:51 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Stupid excuses that do not answer the basic question: Why would you attack Qatar unprovoked while you would not attack Israel unprovoked even though Qatar has investments in Syria and has helped Syria financially several times, and Israel holds the Golan? And, how would you attack Qatar? Only a complete idiot would say that Syria would attack Qatar. So are you an idiot or did you mean Israel but changed your meaning because you were caught lying?

Bottom line is that you lie, not expecting to get caught, and then have to come up with a web of stupid and ridiculous excuses that do not make sense, just like the mafia regime you support.

July 8th, 2011, 2:59 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8cf3ZIrX12w/TBesqhIZsxI/AAAAAAAAE94/kwA-QBLioaE/s1600/laughing-women-friendship-greetings.jpg

That’s right AIG, you caught me. I’m here only to lie even without knowing it. I’m here, plotting, deceptively. I’m a sick sick person, I just can’t help it. Lying is my nature. It’s a conspiracy. Damn, I thought I’d never get caught but here I am!

Hey where are you taking me?

Please, please, not the white phosphoru– *gurrggle*

http://api.ning.com/files/XI33w7RUJ-qdt4TGODhoOlvQOeE6Uh47c562ZdueuOqBILJZWigS0a3f-1Vbgg9bHMBqJxMhr8scKxpsFIja*OjYrVERZ7I3/gaza_new_weapon_molten_head.jpg (Warning: graphic)

July 8th, 2011, 3:01 pm

 

Mina said:

Aboud
Next question: without Mao, would China be where it is, economically speaking?

WD #198
In the West they don’t need to kill their citizens, they have found another way to freeze them in a zombie state: drugs.

July 8th, 2011, 3:10 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Thank you for proving my point. Just like you, the regime lies and lies. And when they are caught red handed like you, they yell “Zionists!” and hope people will leave them alone. Well your pathetic strategy is not working. In fact it is completely idiotic in this context. You would not attack Israel unprovoked but you would attack Qatar. You point to Israeli crimes in your post but just in the post 255 you write:
“These Arab states are nothing but scum, I respect Israel a lot more than them — a thousand times more in fact. Relatively of course, you know what I think of the zionist state (but the arabs are somehow WORSE!).”

So how can this be? How inconsistent can you be? Pointing at Israeli crimes while respecting it 1000 times more than Qatar that has helped Syria many times? And how are you going to attack Qatar?

It is quite simple. You are just lying all the time. That is why there is zero consistency in what you say.

July 8th, 2011, 3:11 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

I don’t expect a subhuman to understand why I would respect Israel more than the Arab states, but for the benefit of everyone else:

– Israel, in almost ALL of its dealings, will always try to serve itself. In 2006, it served the US agenda with the war it ultimately lost with Lebanon, but this is a rare example showing its servitude. In everything else, it has shown that it is a MASTER not a SLAVE.
– Israel citizens are goal-orientated. Even if that goal is against my own personal interests, they try their hardest to achieve it and this is slightly admirable, however murderous it is.

– Qatar, Saudi Arabia, practically every Arabic state, is a slave to the west. Nothing they do is in their own interest. They HAVE no interest, they are merely puppet states. These states are thus, strictly SLAVES.
– The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.

July 8th, 2011, 3:16 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

Now you have also proven yourself to be a vile racist. Only a racist of the worst kind can write the following:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

And still you cannot explain the glaring inconsistencies in what you say because you are a pathological liar. Why would you attack Qatar that has helped Syria countless times? Why would you prefer to attack them and not Israel? How would you attack Qatar? In short, a bunch of inconsistent lies that you keep spewing.

We are still waiting proof about the Indian pilots and Azmi Bisahra taking a bribe on air as well as the rest of your lies. Of course, you have none.

July 8th, 2011, 3:25 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

I was of course talking about culture not race, as there is no arabic race per se.

That’s all from me, I am no longer participating in this conversation.

July 8th, 2011, 3:30 pm

 

Aboud said:

@260

Excellent question, and many doctorates have been created out of posing and answering it. I don’t know the specifics of Chairman Mao’s policies in China, but correct me if I’m wrong, but are you asking if the tradeoff of a strong central government that plans everything, and brings about economic prosperity, is worth it if it is at the expense of individual rights?

In Syria’s case, after 11 years, we have yet to see either, while our neighbors speed ahead.

July 8th, 2011, 3:38 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar and racist,

Do you really think it matters if you are talking about Arab race or culture? You are stereotyping hundreds of millions of people in a most vile and hateful fashion.

And of course you cannot answer any of the questions I asked. Why? Because you are a liar, just like the regime you support.

July 8th, 2011, 3:43 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>In Syria’s case, after 11 years, we have yet to see either, while our neighbors speed ahead.

(into bankruptcy.)

Syria’s economic weakness stems from the international sanctions placed on it by western nations but this will subside as their own economies shrink and the east’s expand. Only a fool would short Syria at the moment. There’s plenty of undeveloped resources (gas off the coast, oil sites) and the country can be industrialised further if nuclear power is harnessed. Of course, the trouble with the latter is finding an appropriate site which contains a large body of water (closed cycle designs are not reliable or efficient) without endangering a main drinking supply. It might only be viable along a coast, which has its own major risks.

July 8th, 2011, 3:45 pm

 

Jad said:

WD
There are couple protests againt the ambassador in Damascus now.
He was also summoned by Moualem when he got back.

July 8th, 2011, 4:01 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar and racist,

So quickly you are caught in another lie:
>In Syria’s case, after 11 years, we have yet to see either, while our neighbors speed ahead.

(into bankruptcy.)

Obviously in neighbors what was meant was Israel and Turkey. Into which bankruptcy are these countries advancing despicable liar? Both are doing very well economically.

And lest people forget that you are a vile racist, you just wrote in 262:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

July 8th, 2011, 4:01 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar and racist,

You are of course delusional. Syria is backward in spite of the huge potential of its people, because Assad has made it such a country. But of course, you will try to make excuses. You lie just like the regime you represent that for years said that the sanctions had zero effect. So why are you changing your story now? Because you are a liar.

Let’s not forget your hateful quote from 262:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

July 8th, 2011, 4:05 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

JAD,

Are you sure he actually made it back to Damascus? I heard the road was blocked off by protestor against him and that he had to turn back to Hama… misinformation?

July 8th, 2011, 4:14 pm

 

jad said:

SC
That what I read on twitter and FB, I’m not sure.

Here is the American embassy with Tomato-Egg salad!
طبخة جظ مظ أمام السفارة الأمريكية بدمشق
http://youtu.be/u5_VcMa0jMA

July 8th, 2011, 4:20 pm

 

AIG said:

This is great for the struggle against Assad. Americans will be delighted to know that Syrians want the ambassador out just for visiting Hama and protecting the people. It will certainly awaken the US Congress.

July 8th, 2011, 4:27 pm

 

AIG said:

Hey Jad,

What would you have thought if an Israeli or American would have written:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

This is of course what SC wrote in 262.

I see you have no problem with racists as long as they agree with your position.

July 8th, 2011, 4:30 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

JAD,

Oh god, poor building haha. I am glad no one got as violent as the mythical “peaceful demonstrators” we keep hearing about. Mu3allem should definitely summon him when/if he returns.

We’re joking on twitter that tomorrow they’re going to declare an Islamic Emirate in Hama.

July 8th, 2011, 4:34 pm

 

Aboud said:

@274 I have a big problem with it. A huge one in fact. Add to that the way this individual gets touchy anytime the topic of Iran comes up, and I think it is reasonable to make certain assumptions about his real identity.

July 8th, 2011, 4:35 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

I don’t know how credible this is but apparently he really is stuck in Hama and everyone in Syria is out to get him lol:

“Dr. Bassam Abu Abdullah: The U.S. Ambassador, Robert Ford, is trapped in Masyaf (In Hama), there is no way out unless he submits an application for protection from the Syrian authorities.

AKA: you’re messing with the wrong country Mr. Ford.”

Dang, you got me. I’m a Turkish, no wait Iranian, that’s the one you meant right? *rolls eyes*

July 8th, 2011, 4:37 pm

 

jad said:

Hey AIG,
I do have huge problem with racism and anti-any faith, you probably already know that.
What’s is written is not accepted and SC already knows that, however, you two have been arguing this whole day and taking over the comment section that I skipped everything you both wrote and I’m not interested in getting engaged in such argument it’s fruitless.
Thank you for understanding my position.
——————————

SC,
here is the news I read
تم تأنيب سفير امريكا في وزارة الخارجية السورية على مخالفته الاعراف الدبلوماسية بعد ان تم استدعائه الى مكتب الوزير المعلم وحسب مصادرنا ان الوزير المعلم جعل السفير ينتظر خارجاً لاكثر من ٢٠ دقيقة و شوهد السفير متجهماً و مسرعاً عند الخروج ..

July 8th, 2011, 4:40 pm

 

873 said:

Jad ,

What WAS the US Ambassador doing in Hama? Recon? Incitement? Recruitment for future ‘opposition’ leaders? Gun running?

http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html

July 8th, 2011, 4:40 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar and racist,

Now you are threatening a US ambassador? You are truly insane.

By the way we are still waiting for the proof for all your lies. Where are they? Again you have shown yourself as nothing more than a dismal liar like the regime you support. And on on top of that a vile racist.

Let’s not forget what you wrote in 262:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

July 8th, 2011, 4:42 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

JAD,

Just FYI, I spoke of Arabic culture and whether it is acceptable or not, it is very much true.

What direction do arabic countries have? (EVEN SYRIA, just where are we trying to head?) What are our goals? What are our aspirations? Why do arabic countries always bring harm to themselves?

When I say “like an animal”, I literally mean directionless, living life without realising there is an end to it and EATING, EATING EATING, constantly eating. Every single thing is about food for god’s sake. You speak to the arabs about technology, about space, about science and they’ll say that you are “miphalsaph”.

I hope you understand my correct position, no matter how distasteful you might find the wording.

AIG,

WARNING: You are now defaming me publically and issuing false information about “threats” to public persons. If you persist and fail to retract your statement, I will contact my lawyer to issue a doe subpoena to this website and submit a lawsuit of false charge of terrorism in your jurisdiction. This is not a joke. You are playing with fire now.

July 8th, 2011, 4:43 pm

 

AIG said:

Jad,

I do not understand your position. It is ok to skip what I wrote or what he wrote. It is not ok to encourage a vile racist and a pathological liar.

Where did SC denounce what he wrote? Nowhere. He stands behind it. Look at his post just above. He is digging a deeper hole for himself. Apparently you are only interested in eating…

July 8th, 2011, 4:44 pm

 

jad said:

I’m not sure if these footage from Syria but the guy on the motorbike is holding AK47, it’s dated today, July 8th

سلمية المتظاهرين في بعض قرى ريف حماة
http://youtu.be/MQHkeRmQCR4

July 8th, 2011, 4:47 pm

 

Aboud said:

“They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs”

You knew exactly what you were saying, stop trying to chicken out. There are few greater insults to Arabs than to be called a pig, and you choose that word deliberately. I find your statement to be utterly reprehensible, and your lack of responsibility for making it highly immature.

“If you persist and fail to retract your statement, I will contact my lawyer to issue a doe subpoena to this website and submit a lawsuit of false charge of terrorism in your jurisdiction. This is not a joke. You are playing with fire now.”

I’m calling you a terrorist, an enabler of terrorism, a funder of terrorism, and a supporter of terrorism. Your mouth is writing cheques you can’t cash.

July 8th, 2011, 4:47 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#284

Make the charge more specific and we’ll see how deep your pockets are. At least I’ll finally find out where you actually live (i.e. not Syria)

I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are about Iran, Hobbits, Hezbollahis and whatever other group of people you wish to demonise.


JAD,

So he made it … why the misinformation I wonder, maybe it was from earlier in the day.

July 8th, 2011, 4:51 pm

 

jad said:

SC
‘I hope you understand my correct position’
I do understand your anger on our culture and the pathetic situation we are in today.
We have no clear vision of where we are going or what we want. All of us.

“So he made it ” I’m not sure, today the news are so off about everything in Syria, so weird, read this:

تضارب الانباء حول حصيلة القتلى في احتجاجات جمعة “لا للحوار” بسورية
“تناقضت الانباء الواردة عن حصيلة القتلى في الاحتجاجات التي عمت ارجاء سورية يوم الجمعة 8 يوليو/تموز، اذ افادت بعض الانباء انه سقط 4 اشخاص في يوم “لا للحوار”، بينما اكدت بعض وسائل الاعلام سقوط من 9 الى 13 شخصا، زعمت انهم قتلوا على يد قوات الامن والجيش.’
http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/561884
————————

AIG,
Again, please don’t drag me into your arguing session I’m not interested.
“Apparently you are only interested in eating…” Smile!

July 8th, 2011, 4:53 pm

 

Aboud said:

@285 Just like your terrorist president, all talk, no action. I can’t wait to see what the Great Cartographer Mu’alem’s response to France and the USA will be. How many more countries is he going to remove from the map.

And FYI, no he’s not my president. I’m with the majority that told him to “Erhal, 3eeeef 3ana, farjina 3ard ektafak”

July 8th, 2011, 4:58 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

JAD,

“I do understand your anger on our culture and the pathetic situation we are in today. We have no clear vision of where we are going or what we want. All of us.”

It is deeply depressing and I’ve spoken to many Syrian officials about specific examples, like electronics. Israel has a booming electronics market and yet Syria does not even have a simple fabrication facility. They simply do not see the value in the largest market on Earth. The use the excuse that Israel “has many Russian immigrants who helped start up the market”. Bullshit, do you know just how many Lebanese and Syrians are involved in this market overseas? Do you know how many dream of starting something back in Syria?

If these reforms do not address this GOAL, ASPIRATION aspect of society, then Syria will simply continue to decay, much like Greece and other former-capitals of high culture. It’s no coincidence that all they are interested in is food as well…

July 8th, 2011, 4:58 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar and racist wrote:

AIG,

WARNING: You are now defaming me publically and issuing false information about “threats” to public persons. If you persist and fail to retract your statement, I will contact my lawyer to issue a doe subpoena to this website and submit a lawsuit of false charge of terrorism in your jurisdiction. This is not a joke. You are playing with fire now.

SC the demented liar,

Not only do I not retract my statements, I insist vehemently that they are right. You are threatening a US ambassador. It is clear from what you wrote. You are a vile racist scumbag and a liar. So call your lawyer and do your worst. But of course you are a liar and you will do nothing. And we have caught you in a lie again.

July 8th, 2011, 4:59 pm

 

jad said:

873
I personally think that he was there for three reasons,
– To show the US congers who refused to send him back that he is not in Damascus doing nothing.
– To give public support to the protesters and to gain their trust
– A clear message to the government that we the US are really mad, do what we tell you or else! (As Usama wrote that before they are counting, 2.999996 2.999998!)

July 8th, 2011, 5:02 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

I’ll be on the phone to my lawyer tomorrow to see how viable this will be, I apologise for this but this lying snake has left me no choice.

I just wonder why this guy is so obsessed with me, I must have really struck a nerve.

JAD,

Apparently he tried to go to Homs on his way out of Hama but was stopped by people… a lot of strange reports going on.

July 8th, 2011, 5:02 pm

 

AIG said:

Jad,

Just saying that you are not interested in this discussion does not get you off the hook. You are encouraging a racist and a liar. People may get the wrong impression that you support such positions. I know you don’t, so why are you encouraging SC?

July 8th, 2011, 5:03 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

“‎#Homs #Syria: Bab Alsbaa and Safsafa witness heavy shooting right now the terrorists are trying to get weapons by attacking centers for the Security Forces. The unarmed part is covering them under “peaceful” protests”

July 8th, 2011, 5:06 pm

 

AIG said:

“I’ll be on the phone to my lawyer tomorrow to see how viable this will be, I apologise for this but this lying snake has left me no choice. I can’t wait to read his apology to me in full written form.”

SC the demented liar,

Again you are lying your head off. You will do nothing because you are a coward that hides behind his anonymity. If you are going to file a complaint, then you cannot remain anonymous. So to show that you are serious, tell us your real name and where you live. Otherwise, it will be clear that you are lying as usual. But the usual happens, you are caught in another lie.

July 8th, 2011, 5:07 pm

 

Aboud said:

@292 “Just saying that you are not interested in this discussion does not get you off the hook.”

Completely agree. Cowardice in other words.

“I’ll be on the phone to my lawyer tomorrow to see how viable this will be”

You really didn’t think this through, did you? Your mouth just spouts stuff before your brain processes it. Tell your “lawyer” that Aboud says he’s an ambulance chaser for even giving you the time of day, and that Aboud says the person who calls himself Syrian Commando, and answers to Syrian Cuckoo, is a terrorist, and a supporter of terrorism.

July 8th, 2011, 5:09 pm

 

Aboud said:

Did anyone ever get to the bottom of the mystery of the Zionist-Indian fighter pilots in the 1973 war?

July 8th, 2011, 5:10 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>If you are going to file a complaint, then you cannot remain anonymous.

Oh you really think so? 🙂 Heh…

We’ll see what my friend says tomorrow.

July 8th, 2011, 5:12 pm

 

AIG said:

Aboud,

Of course not, because it is a complete lie fabricated by the demented liar Syrian Commando. But he keeps promising us he will research it.

Let’s not forget what else he wrote in 262:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

July 8th, 2011, 5:15 pm

 

AIG said:

Oh you really think so? Heh…

We’ll see what my friend says tomorrow.

SC the demented liar and idiot,

I see you are an ignoramus as well. Do you think an anonymous testimony from you can be accepted as evidence in rule of law countries? Maybe in the muchabarat circles you are used to. I would love to see you in court in Israel you terrorist asshole. Unfortunately, I know you are a liar and a coward.

July 8th, 2011, 5:22 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

AIG, you get a point AND ONLY ONE POINT, but not for the stated reasons (i.e. you’re still retarded). I would have to make myself public BEFORE a John Doe subpheona to be granted and you’d have to repeat your claim using my information. Apparently even then, I’d have to show that the motion cannot be dismissed immediately, which is not clear.

So, no thanks, I’m not revealing my identity in case you don’t repeat your claims. Just know that you are behaving like a pest and have filled this website with spam and forced it to obtain a moderator. Truly bovine.

July 8th, 2011, 5:29 pm

 

Aboud said:

@298 Hehehe, of course I know it was fabricated. I think all Indian fighter pilots in active service in 1973 should *SUE THIS WEBSITE* LOL!

July 8th, 2011, 5:29 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

How old are you Aboud, did you live through 1973? I’m guessing no…

July 8th, 2011, 5:31 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

In short, you were lying all the time about contacting your lawyer and you were making idle threats like the coward you are. You don’t plan to do anything. Again, caught in a lie.

And let’s not forget your racist tendencies when you write:
“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

July 8th, 2011, 5:32 pm

 

Aboud said:

@302

Yeah, only someone who was old enough to remember 1973 could know for sure that the Syrian Air Force *did not* shoot down Santa Clause and his Evil Reindeers during their bombing runs over Damascus.

@303 Please add my signature to your comment. It’s disgusting how some people do not think before spouting some very reprehensible crap. I have goals, I have many achievements and me and mine have a great future, which is more than can be said for junior and his.

July 8th, 2011, 5:37 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>You don’t plan to do anything

I wouldn’t waste my friend’s time if I couldn’t get your name without giving something up. I’m not stupid. There’s no guarantee you’d continue.

Aboud,

Just answer the damn question.

July 8th, 2011, 5:39 pm

 

AIG said:

SC the demented liar,

At last you admit you lied when you said you would contact your lawyer.
How easy it is to catch you lying. You are such a pathological liar and an idiot. Why didn’t you say you didn’t plan wasting his time before making your idle threat? Because you are a liar just like the regime you represent. You make idle threats and quickly retreat when your bluff is called. In short, you are a coward.

July 8th, 2011, 5:46 pm

 

OFF THE WALL said:

“The Arabs are basically animals, they have no direction, they have no thoughts of their own. They drift from place to place, if they have oil, they live it up, if they don’t, they live like pigs. No goals, no achievements, no future.”

Spoken like a true racist. Because of their despotic regimes, Arabs, and their compatriots from other ethnic groups, have to leave their homelands in order to achieve their goals.

And By the Way, where is my court summon? or was it the usual pomposity.

AIG
Following the exchange, i felt like being sucked into a black hole. Some people have inhuman ability to keep digging themselves in. However, on cold persistence, you get the prize. I guess, the right to respond sometime of someone’s choice is reserved. Only time will tell. Or would it?

July 8th, 2011, 6:08 pm

 

AIG said:

OTW,

Don’t you know by now that we Zionists are persistent and stubborn? 🙂

July 8th, 2011, 6:18 pm

 

syau said:

Jad #272,

I don’t understand why people would waste good produce by hurling it at the embassy. I would have much preferred to hurl cow dun.

#287,

( Edited for bad language) he is your president, if you live in Syria that is. But cosidering your post in #296 & 301 you don’t, as most, if not all Syrians know of the non Israelis flying the planes in 1973. But thats ok, you just continue backing the zionists, it shows your true position.

July 8th, 2011, 6:28 pm

 

Aboud said:

@309 ( edited for bad language). From now on, there is nothing that’s 8asbel 3an rasna, or haven’t you people learned anything?

Ya Bashar esma3 wa shoof,
3am ensebak 3al makshoof!

July 8th, 2011, 6:34 pm

 

jad said:

Dear SyAu,
That embassy doesn’t deserve any of the Syrian eggs and the tomatoes thrown at since these are the products of a great land.

Where is the moderator? I thought they are hired to watch out the harassment not to let anybody to attack anybody else…

July 8th, 2011, 6:46 pm

 

Shami said:

Salamieh again !

I dont think that a credible opposition member will take part to the comedia of the regime.
The future of the regime figures will be their own jails.
This is no revenge ,it’s justice.

July 8th, 2011, 6:48 pm

 

syau said:

Jad,

SyAu, well done.

July 8th, 2011, 6:54 pm

 

jad said:

SyAu, Any time Mate!

سفيرا أميركا وفرنسا يقودان المعركة من حماه

شهدت سوريا، أمس، سباقاً حقيقياً بين المعارضين الرافضين لجلسة الحوار الوطني المقررة غداً في دمشق، والساعين إلى إنجاحه. السفيران الأميركي والفرنسي لدى سوريا قضيا يومهما الحافل في حماه، المركز الحالي للاضطرابات، ليظهر كأنهما الزعيمان الفعليان للمعارضة مع حصانتهما الدبلوماسية، ولتتهم دمشق واشنطن بأن سفيرها يتصل بـ«المخربين» ويعمل لعرقلة الحوار
بدت الصورة من سوريا، أمس، شديدة الغموض. من جهة، تظاهرات «جمعة لا للحوار» كانت، وفق تقارير إعلامية متعددة، الأكبر منذ بدء الاحتجاجات في منتصف آذار الماضي، حيث شهدت تظاهرة ضمت نحو 400 ألف شخص. ومن جهة ثانية، بدا أنّ سفيري الولايات المتحدة وفرنسا لدى سوريا، روبرت فورد وإريك شوفالييه، يتصرفان كزعيمين للمعارضة السورية، مع انتقالهما إلى حماه لقيادة المعركة ضد نظام الرئيس بشار الأسد، ما استدعى ردّاً سياسياً سورياً قوياً على التدخل الأجنبي في الأحداث الداخلية.
أعداد القتلى في مختلف المدن، وخصوصاً في حمص وحيّ الضمير في ريف دمشق وحيّ الميدان وسط العاصمة، تفاوتت كالعادة بحسب المصادر، وراوحت بين صفر في صفوف المتظاهرين، بحسب وكالة الأنباء السورية «سانا»، إلى 16 وفق المعارضين وبعض الفضائيات العربية. في المقابل، خرجت تظاهرات لأنصار الرئيس بشار الأسد ونظامه، في عدد من المدن أيضاً.
جميعها تطوّرات تنتزع أهميتها من واقع أنّها تسبق يوم الحوار المنتظر بين النظام والمعارضة المقرر انطلاقه غداً، من دون أن تكون نتائجه مضمونة؛ لأن عدداً من الشخصيات سبق لها أن أعلنت مقاطعتها للجلسات بحجة استمرار الحملات الأمنية في مناطق متعددة من البلاد.
وكان السفيران الأميركي والفرنسي، فورد وشوفالييه، قد تصدّرا مشهد احتجاجات حماه، بعدما انتقلا، كل منهما على حدة، إلى المدينة منذ يوم الخميس، من دون أن تخفي إدارتاهما الهدف الحقيقي من زيارتيهما؛ فقد قالت المتحدثة باسم وزارة الخارجية الأميركية، فيكتوريا نولاند، إن مهمة فورد تمحورت حول «إيضاح على نحو تام، من خلال وجوده الشخصي، أننا نقف مع هؤلاء السوريين الذين يعبرون عن حقهم في الحديث عن التغيير»، بما أن إدارة الرئيس باراك أوباما «قلقة للغاية تجاه الوضع في حماه». كذلك تمثّلت مهمّة فورد بـ«إجراء اتصال» مع المعارضة؛ «لأننا نريد معرفة من هم هؤلاء الناس وإلى أي نوع من العملية السياسية ومستقبل البلاد يتطلعون. ينبغي أن نجري اتصالاً معهم، وهذا ما سيقوم به هناك»، على حد تعبير مسؤول أميركي رفيع المستوى.
كلام نسخة طبق الأصل صدر عن المتحدث باسم وزارة الخارجية في باريس برنارد فاليرو الذي اعترف بأن سفير دولته في سوريا زار حماه «لإظهار وقوف فرنسا إلى جانب الضحايا»، حتى إنه زار أحد مستشفيات المدينة حيث التقى الفرق الطبية وعدداً من الجرحى ومن أهاليهم خلال جولته في المدينة، وليعبّر عن «التزام فرنسا بالوقوف إلى جانب الضحايا»، وهو ما فعله فورد الذي التقى عدداً من الناشطين والمعارضين، إضافة إلى عدد من الجرحى في المشافي.
خطوة ردّت عليها السلطات السورية بهجمة سياسية عنيفة، توزعت على وزارتي الداخلية والخارجية ومستشارة الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد بثنية شعبان. وتمحورت الحملة حول اتهام فورد بالعمل على «تقويض محاولات الحكومة السورية لنزع فتيل الاحتجاجات»، بدليل أنه «متورط بإقامة صلات مع المسلحين».
وقالت المستشارة الرئاسية، في مقابلة مع هيئة الإذاعة البريطانية «بي بي سي»، إن «الزيارة غير المرخصة التي قام بها فورد لحماه تزامنت مع اجتماع لأئمة مساجد وقادة المجتمع المدني» في المدينة. وأضافت: «إن الزيارة تنتهك الأعراف الدبلوماسية»، و«لا بد من أن تكون للسفير صلات بالمجموعات المسلحة التي تحول دون استئناف الحياة الطبيعية في سوريا». وتساءلت شعبان: «كيف وصل السفير الأميركي إلى حماه في مناطق يقطع طرقها المخربون والمشاغبون وحملة السلاح؟ ومن أوصله إلى جامع السريجة في المدينة في الساعة السادسة من مساء أمس (الخميس) من دون أن يتعرض له أحد من المسلحين الموجودين في الشوارع والذين منعوا الموظفين في المدينة من الوصول إلى وظائفهم لليوم الرابع على التوالي؟». ولفتت إلى أن دمشق «لا تريد قطع شعرة معاوية مع الإدارة الأميركية، ولكن هناك احتجاج واستياء شديدان من الشعب السوري بسبب بيان الخارجية الأميركية عشية التوجه إلى الحوار الوطني بين كل شرائح المجتمع السوري، وهذا يعطينا رسالة أن الولايات المتحدة تقول لا للحوار».
كلام سبق أن أعلنته وزارة الخارجية السورية، في بيان، رأت فيه أن «وجود السفير الأميركي في حماه من دون الحصول على الإذن المسبق من وزارة الخارجية وفق التعليمات المعممة مراراً على جميع السفارات، هو دليل واضح على تورط الولايات المتحدة في الأحداث الجارية في سوريا، ومحاولتها التحريض على تصعيد الأوضاع التي تخلّ بأمن البلاد واستقرارها».
وأضاف البيان أنّ دمشق «تنبه إلى خطورة مثل هذه التصرفات غير المسؤولة وتؤكد تصميمها على مواصلة اتخاذ كل الإجراءات الكفيلة باستعادة الأمن والاستقرار في البلاد». وفي السياق، ذكر مصدر رسمي سوري أن السفير الأميركي التقى «مخربين» في المدينة، وحضّهم على التظاهر. كذلك نقلت وكالة «سانا» بياناً لوزارة الداخلية أكدت فيه أن السفير «التقى بعض المخربين وحضهم على التظاهر والعنف ورفض الحوار»، معربةً عن استغرابها «وصول فورد إلى حماه، بما يتعارض مع الأعراف الدبلوماسية، رغم وجود الحواجز التي يسيطر عليها المخربون وقطع الطرقات ومنع المواطنين من الوصول إلى أعمالهم ووظائفهم». وجزمت وزارة الداخلية بأن السفير «التقى بعض الأشخاص تحت غطاء زيارته بعض المشافي»، واضعة خطوته تلك في خانة «التحريض على استمرار العنف وعدم الاستقرار ومحاولة لتخريب الحوار الوطني». غير أن الإدارة الأميركية عادت لتعرب عن «استيائها» إزاء انتقاد النظام السوري لزيارة فورد، لافتة، على لسان فيكتوريا نالاند نفسها، أن واشنطن أبلغت دمشق مسبقاً بهذه الزيارة. وأقرت المسؤولة الأميركية بأن فورد ترك المدينة عائداً إلى دمشق بعد ظهر أمس، «بعد لقائه عدداً من المتظاهرين»، واصفةً رد الفعل السوري بأنه «بلا معنى».
ميدانياً، كشف موقع «سيريانيوز» عن أن عدد المتظاهرين في حماه ناهز الـ 400 ألف في ساحة العاصي وسط المدينة، إضافة إلى تظاهرات مناهضة للنظام وأخرى مساندة له في حلب ودرعا وباب توما وساحة الحجاز في دمشق، إضافة إلى مدن وأحياء أخرى. ونقل الموقع عن ناشط لـ«سيريانيوز» أن «ما يقارب أربعمئة ألف شخص تجمعوا في ساحة العاصي بالتزامن مع وصول عدة تظاهرات من قرى ريف حماة (حلفايا وخطاب وكفرمبودة وطيبة الإمام)، مرددين هتافات تطالب بالحرية وتحيي الشهيد، بالإضافة إلى العديد من المطالب السياسية التي تطال النظام، من دون أن يلحظ أي وجود أمني»، بالتزامن مع «وجود السفير الأميركي في التظاهرة بمرافقة مجموعة من الأشخاص الذين يلتقطون الصور».
وأوضح أن «أهالي المدينة لا يزالون يقيمون الحواجز الشعبية على مداخل المدينة ويفتشون أي شخص يدخل إليها خوفاً من إدخاله أي قطعة سلاح، ويدققون في هويته»، كاشفاً أنهم «فتّشوا السفير الأميركي نفسه، وعناصر موكبه المرافق ودقّقوا في جوازات سفرهم».
وأوضحت مصادر حقوقية أن «5 متظاهرين قتلوا في حيّ الخالدية بحمص، وقتل اثنان آخران في حيّ الميدان وآخر في بلدة الضمير بريف دمشق»، إضافة إلى مقتل أحد رجال الأمن في مدينة تلبيسة بحمص، على حد تعبير مصادر المعارضة، بينما نقلت فضائية «الجزيرة» عن مصادرها أن 16 قتيلاً على الأقل سقطوا من صفوف المعارضة.
وتمحورت مطالب الحمويين، وفق مصادر منظمي تظاهراتهم الذين تحدثوا لوكالات الأنباء، إضافة إلى رفض الحوار، حول «عودة المحافظ أحمد عبد العزيز الذي أقيل الأسبوع الماضي ورفض عودة رئيس جهاز الأمن العسكري محمد مفلح إلى المدينة، بعد إدانته من لجنة تحقيق مؤلفة من عضو قيادة قطرية».
وبحسب مصادر المعارضة، شهدت أحياء ركن الدين والقابون ومساكن برزة والحجر الأسود والقدم وسقبا والكسوة، وداريا ومعضمية وجديدة عرطوز وقطنا والزبداني ومضايا والضمير تظاهرات تضامنية مع حماه. في المقابل، لفتت وكالة «سانا» إلى مقتل أحد عناصر قوات حفظ النظام برصاص مسلحين في مدينة تلبيسة بمحافظة حمص، وتعرض النادي الرياضي في الرستن لهجوم مسلح وتدمير مركز الشرطة في المدينة وإحراقه. وأضافت أنّ «عنصرين من قوات حفظ النظام أصيبا برصاص مسلحين في الضمير بريف دمشق، واعتُدي على عنصر آخر بالساطور وأُلقي القبض على المهاجم. كذلك أطلق قناصة الرصاص على أحد عناصر حفظ النظام من أحد الأبنية في حيّ الميدان وحالته خطرة»، فيما سقط مدنيان برصاص قناصة وإصابة اثنين آخرين في حي الخالدية بحمص، بحسب «سانا».
وفي محافظة دير الزور، خرج آلاف بتظاهرة قال شهود عيان عنها إنها «كانت أكبر تظاهرة تشهدها المدينة، حيث شارك أبناء المدينة والريف دون أي مواجهات مع قوات الأمن»، إضافة إلى أنباء عن تظاهرات في مدن القامشلي والدرباسية وعامودة بمحافظة الحسكة وإدلب وبانياس واللاذقية ودرعا.
ومن جهة المؤيدين للنظام، شهدت مدينة حلب «محاولات تحرك من العشرات في مناطق مختلفة من المدينة، دامت لفترات قصيرة جداً قبل إيقافها من عناصر الأمن وما بات يعرف باللجان الشعبية»، بحسب «سيريانيوز» التي قالت إن جامع آمنة شهد محاولة عدد من الأشخاص للتجمع، قوبل بتدخل عناصر الأمن، وتوقيف 7 منهم، فيما فتحت مجموعة من الأشخاص علماً طويلاً أمام الجامع فور انتهاء الصلاة، وإطلقت هتافات مؤيدة للرئيس الأسد». كذلك خرج المئات عقب صلاة الجمعة في كل من دوار قاضي عسكر وباب الحديد في مسيرات سيارة رافعين الأعلام السورية وصور الأسد. وفي السياق، شددت «سانا» على تظاهرات وتجمعات مؤيدة للنظام، أشارت إلى أنها حصلت في محافظات الحسكة والسويداء مثلاً.
في هذا الوقت، انخفض عدد اللاجئين إلى تركيا لـ9182 شخصاً.
أجواء من غير المعروف ما ستكون تداعياتها على مؤتمر الحوار المنتظر غداً الأحد. وبالإضافة إلى الأسماء المعارضة التي سبق أن أعلنت مقاطعتها للجلسات قبل توقف الحل الأمني، حذّر الحقوقي أنور البني من أنه «لا جدوى من الحوار الآن، إذا لم يتوقف الحل الأمني وتُسحب القوى العسكرية والأمنية من الشوارع ويجري التخلي عن استخدام الحل الأمني والقوة لقمع الشعب».
بدورها، أشارت بثينة شعبان إلى أن هناك «عدداً كافياً من المعارضين الوطنيين من كل شرائح المجتمع التي ستحضر هذا الحوار، لكن لم نسمع كلمة من الغرب تشجع الحوار بين أبناء الشعب الواحد». ورأت أن «مَن رفض الحوار هم بعض الأشخاص، وهذا شأنهم، لكن هناك الكثير من المعارضين الوطنيين وكل شرائح المجتمع السوري ستحضر». ورداً على سؤال قالت شعبان بأن «الذين وافقوا على المشاركة لهم تمثيل فعلي في الشارع السوري أكثر بكثير ممن رفضوا القدوم إليه، وهذا واقع، والذين رفضوا القدوم إلى الحوار لا ينكرون أنه ليس لديهم تمثيل كبير في الشارع السوري».
(الأخبار، سانا، أ ف ب،
رويترز، يو بي آي، أ ب)

http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/16333

July 8th, 2011, 6:59 pm

 

jad said:

روبرت فورد في سوريا: تكرار تجربة العراق

وفي أيلول 2006، حزم فورد أمتعته وشد الرحال باتجاه الجزائر التي وصلها سفيراً هذه المرة، وبقي سنتين، ليعود مجدداً إلى العراق حيث تسلم منصب نائب رئيس البعثة الدبلوماسية الأميركية. وتقول مصادر في وزارة الخارجية الأميركية إنّ فورد اختير لأنّه خبير ممتاز في سياسة العراق ما بعد صدام حسين، لكن بعض المسؤولين في الوزارة يرون أنّه تنقصه بعض المهارات الإدارية. وفي بداية 2009، كان فورد الحاكم الفعلي في السفارة الأميركية، وفي العراق، كما يقول البعض، بعد مغادرة السفير ريان كروكر وقبل موافقة الكونغرس الأميركي على تعيين كريستوفر هيل في مكانه. وقضى أشهراً عدّة كرأس للسفارة الأميركية في بغداد، ليكون الآمر الناهي في العراق لتلك الفترة، وفق أكثر من شخص عمل معه.
يُعَدّ فورد من أهم الخبراء في الشؤون العربية في وزارة الخارجية الأميركية. لذلك، اختير مرتين للخدمة في العراق. ويقول بعض من عمل معه في السابق إنّه ساعد في صياغة قانون الانتخابات المحلية العراقية في 2008، وكان يدير السفارة فعلياً، وخصوصاً في فترته الثانية في البلاد. مسار فورد وخبرته، وكونه يتكلم أربع لغات (العربية، التركية، الألمانية والفرنسية) إلى جانب لغته الأم، لفتت نظر الرئيس باراك أوباما الذي قرر منذ بداية 2009، بعد وصوله إلى البيت الأبيض تعيينه في سوريا، وبقي يصارع الجمهوريين سنة حتى تحقق له ذلك.
المعارضة التي واجهها أوباما عند تسمية فورد قبل عام من وصوله إلى دمشق، عادت إلى السطح بداية آذار، مع بدء الاحتجاجات الشعبية في المدن السورية المختلفة. فالرئيس استغل فرصة عطلة مجلسي النواب والشيوخ كي يعيّن فورد نهائياً في مركزه، لمعرفته أنّ صقور الجمهوريين سيعرقلون التعيين، لعدم رغبتهم في استعادة العلاقات مع سوريا. لكن هؤلاء الصقور قد يغيرون رأيهم بعدما يعرفون أنّ فورد نام ليل أول من أمس في مدينة حماه، والتقى معارضين للنظام السوري. أي أنّ فورد، الذي قد يعتقد أنّه لا يزال يعمل في العراق، يؤدي واجبه في ركوب قطار الحركات الاحتجاجية، قبل أن يفوت الأوان، وتضيع الفرصة كما حصل في مصر وتونس.

http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/16332

July 8th, 2011, 7:03 pm

 

Shami said:

(edited for bad language) ????

What a foul language SYAU?it’s a language of weak people who are scared to death from the inescapable change towards democracy,the mukhabarati minorities who speak like this would like to kill millions in a coward manner,they are not the first of their kind in history.
Would you dare to say it in front of Abboud in democratic Syria for example?

July 8th, 2011, 8:14 pm

 

syau said:

Shami,

If you look over my comments, you will notice that I dont use foul language/vulgar words. I basically stated to Aboud that president Assad is his president whether he likes it or not, if he lives in Syria, I didnt say it very nicely, but I didnt use any such words that Aboud does. Please go over his comments and see the difference.

Sorry moderator.

July 8th, 2011, 8:57 pm

 

Shami said:

Michel Kilo destroyed all makhlouf-asad lies in this interview:
Of course ,Bashar doesnt understand that the menhebak divinization of his person is not compatible with historical evolutionism and democratic change.
Kilo said that Bashar is very close to be declared illegitimate by the moderate opposition that Mr Kilo represents.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2011/07/08/01003-20110708ARTFIG00622-pas-de-dialogue-en-syrie-tant-que-les-chars-sont-dans-la-rue.php

July 8th, 2011, 8:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Shami,

Any English translation for the article?

July 8th, 2011, 9:03 pm

 

Shami said:

Dear Tara ,not yet.
try google translator.

July 8th, 2011, 9:08 pm

 

Aboud said:

@316 I wish the moderator hadn’t edited it. I want everyone to see how these Baathists talk. What he said was “Whether you like it or not he is the president, and with his foot on your head”

Take my word for it Mr Moderator, I love it when these people use such language, so don’t go editing anything on my behalf.

July 8th, 2011, 9:39 pm

 

Samara said:

Woooow!! ABOUD!

Its ok and perfectly appropriate for you revolutionaries to use language which offends, yet, for the baathists it is not?? Nice to know how hypocracy works with you revolutionaries. But, thats what you all represent right? Lies and hypocracy?

July 8th, 2011, 9:50 pm

 

abu majdo said:

# 245
if Ayman Midani, Consul General of Syria in Houston, said “the regime should kill all the people in Jisr Al Shoughour”, that how many regime officials are acting. just they do not say it.

July 8th, 2011, 11:08 pm

 

HS said:

Help wanted
I lost my access to the reports of US and French ambassadors after their visit to Jisr Al Shogour in June and their condolence letters to the families of the Security personnel which has been massacred there by the MBs.

I lost my access to the reports of US and French ambassadors after their visit to Jisr Al Shogour in June and their condolence letters to the families of the Security personnel which has been massacred there by the MBs.

Bradley Manning , Julian Assange , where are you ?

July 9th, 2011, 6:20 am

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

re 288. Syrian Commando

“Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style”

http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/01/27/stealing-success-tel-aviv-style/

July 9th, 2011, 12:46 pm

 

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