Arab League in Damas; Pro-Assad Demos, Strike in Homs, Killings, Ambassadorial tit for tat


Tens of thousands of Syrians rally in support of Assad ahead of Arab
2011-10-26

DAMASCUS, Oct. 26 (Xinhua) — Tens of thousands of Syrians rallied Wednesday in support for President Bashar al-Assad hours before the arrival of an Arab League (AL) ministerial delegation that aimed at finding ways to end the months-long crisis in the country.

The Umayyad Square in the capital of Damascus and nearby streets were packed with supporters of Assad, who is up against blistering international criticism over his alleged bloody crackdown on protest movement.

The Qatari Prime minister in Damascus

Press conference after the Arab League meeting with President Assad. He said that the questions that they talked about were secret, but that they were serious and touched on all the important topics. He asked for the halt to violence from both sides and the end of armed demonstrations. They will be meeting again soon either in Damascus or Doha.

Homs, northwest Syria strike to protest crackdown 26/10/2011

AMMAN, (Reuters) – People in the city of Homs and nearby areas of northwest Syria staged a general strike on Wednesday over President Bashar al-Assad’s intensifying military crackdown on protesters, and two were killed in one town, activists and residents said.

They said most employees stayed home and most shops closed in the city of one million, and the strike was observed in wide swathes of the countryside around Homs and cities and towns in the northwestern province of Idlib near Turkey.

“Public employees participated for the first time. A few food shops have remained open,’ said a resident of Homs, who gave his name as Omar. Youtube footage showed shuttered shops on both sides of a main street in the nearby rural region of Houla.

Defectors Claim Attack That Killed Syria Soldiers
By NADA BAKRI
Published: October 26, 2011

BEIRUT, Lebanon — A force of Syrian Army defectors claimed responsibility for a Wednesday attack that killed a military officer and eight soldiers in central Syria, another signal that disaffected troops are taking a larger role in the antigovernment uprising and pushing it into more violence after months of a brutal government crackdown…..

Robert Fisk: Syria slips towards sectarian war
Stories of killings in Homs are reinforcing support for Assad in Damascus

…..We shall see if this gets on air on Saturday (readers will be kept informed) but outside in the street another pro-Assad demonstration was starting, 10,000 then 50,000 – it might have reached 200,000 by midday – and there was no Saddam-style trucking of the people to the Omayad Square, no mukhabarat intelligence presence and the only soldiers were standing with their families. How does one report a pro-government demo during the Arab Awakening? There were veiled women, old men, thousands of children with “Syria” written on their faces. Most held Syrian flags, some held the flags of Russia and China.

Were they coerced? I don’t think so – not by the Assad government, at least. ….

Ankara will not tolerate Syrian repression, FM says

 Turkey has no intention of permitting any chaos or oppression in Syria, Turkey’s foreign minister has said, adding that Ankara would do everything to ensure that the Syrian people realize their rightful demands.

We will not allow any chaos or oppression in Syria, this is our responsibility toward the Syrian people,” Davutoğlu told a joint press conference with his Jordanian counterpart, Nasser Judeh, in Amman….

Turkey Is Sheltering Antigovernment Syrian Militia
2011-10-27 By LIAM STACK

(New York Times) — ANTAKYA, Turkey — Once one of Syria’s closest allies, Turkey is hosting an armed opposition group waging an insurgency against the government of  President Bashar al-Assad, providing shelter to the commander and dozens of members of the group, the Free Syrian Army, and allowing them to orchestrate attacks across the border from inside a camp guarded by the Turkish military. The support for the insurgents comes amid a broader Turkish campaign to undermine Mr. Assad’s government. Turkey is expected to impose sanctions soon on Syria, and it has deepened its support for an umbrella political opposition group known as the Syrian National Council, which announced its formation in Istanbul. But its harboring of leaders in the Free Syrian Army, a militia composed of defectors from the Syrian armed forces, may be its most striking challenge so far to Damascus….

“We will fight the regime until it falls and build a new period of stability and safety in Syria,” Colonel As’aad said in an interview arranged by the Turkish Foreign Ministry and conducted in the presence of a foreign ministry official. “We are the leaders of the Syrian people and we stand with the Syrian people.”

The interview was held in the office of a local government official, and Colonel As’aad arrived protected by a contingent of 10 heavily armed Turkish soldiers, including one sniper. The colonel wore a business suit purchased that morning by the Turkish Foreign Ministry, and at the end of the meeting, citing security concerns, the colonel and a Foreign Ministry official advised that all further contact with his group be channeled through the Turkish Foreign Ministry….

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey was personally offended by Mr. Assad’s repeated failure to abide by his assurances that he would undertake sweeping reform. Turkish officials predict that the Assad government may collapse within the next two years….

By Ehsani:

It seems to me that islamists are being held to a much higher standards than other religions. Barry Rubin is afraid of islamists but he is ok with israel as a religious state. I think that none of us can have our cake and eat it. That the majority of the people of this region are more religious than i would like is a fact. That after so many years of failures of their leaders they have turned to religion and GOD under the banner of “islam is the solution” is not surprising. When you have to live on $300 a month with 3 kids only GOD can get you going. Whether we like it or not, this region wants to throw away the exisiting order. Do they have an alternative that we like? most likely not. They clearly want to try islam. I think that this transition period is inevitable. The period may well be longer and uglier than we would like but unless we can offer a brilliant alternative, it is hard to see how this trend can be reversed. Iran started on this track back in 1979. The ayatollahs took over and promised the moon. In my opinion they have failed just like the current crop of “islam is the solution” crowd will most likely fail. But, try they will and may be try they must before the region’s next phase sees the light of day. In the meantime, the best we may hope for is that Turkish style rather than salafi style end up rising to the top should a change of the exisiting order actually materialize.

Haaretz: France FM: Fall of Assad government in Syria ‘unavoidable’, 2011-10-26

The government of Syrian President Bashar Assad will almost certainly fall under the pressure of protests and sanctions, but it will take time due to the complexity of internal and regional politics, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said on …

Treasury Official Heads To Europe To Discuss Iran Sanctions
2011-10-24

The U.S. Treasury Department said Monday that its top sanctions official will head to Europe this week to discuss global efforts to impose sanctions against Iran. David S. Cohen, undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, will meet …

ASCF: EU Leaders Threaten Syria with More Sanctions, Urge Assad to Resign, 2011-10-24

Region: Middle East Topics: Emerging Threats, National Preparedness The European Union has threatened more sanctions against Syria if the government crackdown on dissent continues. EU leaders warned Damascus Sunday they “will impose further and …

Syria, Iraq to establish Joint Free Trade Zones – 23/10/2011

DAMASCUS- Director-General of the General Establishment for Free Zones Abdul-Hakim Qaddah on Sunday discussed with Chairman of the Iraqi Free Zones Commission Saleh al-Qaisi and the accompanying delegation the possibility of establishing two joint Syrian-Iraqi free trade zones in al-Ya’arubyia and al-Bukamal in Syria and in Rabia and al-Qaem in Iraq.

The two sides also discussed the means of facilitating the work at the joint free trade zones to increase the volume of trade exchange between the two countries and to introduce the businessmen and the investors on the available economic and investments capabilities and to develop them.

Clarifying the economic and investment regulations in force at the free trade zones, and highlighting the facilitations provided to the Arab and foreign investors through holding conferences, scientific and economic symposiums and benefiting from the experiences in this domain were also on the table.

He added that establishing joint free trade zones would contribute to increasing the flow of goods between the two countries and would enhance the operational capacity of the Syrian and Iraqi ports, in addition to decreasing the costs of goods.

Haynes Mahoney, the embassy’s deputy chief of mission, confirmed that Ford has left Syria but said Washington hadn’t not formally recalled him — a symbolically significant diplomatic step.

Nikolaos van Dam in the Montreal Review on Syria
The Montreal Review?

Time: Syria’s Kurds: Are They About to Join the Uprising Against Assad?, 2011-10-24

There is popular anger at the regime but the various political organizations that represent the ethnic minority seem to be in the way Syria’s Kurds: Are They About to Join the Uprising Against Assad?

Journalist witnesses Syrian authorities torturing activists, Channel 4 News

From the Comment Section

(1) France has a fundamental and firm policy that the UN Security Council is the only authority that can authorize a military attack against a sovereign country. That policy is self-serving for France; see France’s status on the Security Council. But France also has the influence to keep Germany and other European countries going along with the same policy.
(2) As reported by Today’s Zaman newspaper in Turkey, the foreign ministry of Turkey is advising the Syrian National Council in Turkey to “to work in a peaceful manner for democratic transformation in Syria”. Turkey’s foreign ministry is also saying that it will not recognize the Syrian National Council as representative of anything, at least not any time soon.
(3) The USA position was summarized as follows by USA Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford in an interview with “Time Magazine” published on 28 Sep 2011: “One of the things we’ve told the opposition is that they should not think we are going to treat Syria the same way we treated Libya. The main thing for the opposition to do is figure out how to win away support from the regime, and not look to outsiders to try and solve the problem. This is a Syrian problem and it needs Syrian solutions….” Ford is strongly advising the opposition against a turn to arms. “It would be a mistake,” he says, not least because “you want to be sure that if you’re even contemplating this, you have a way to know that whatever you’re going to do militarily is going to be effective … I very frankly say to people, you don’t have enough force to fight the Syrian army, you’re not even close. We have to be realistic.” Other USA officials have said much the same thing during the past few weeks. (US foreign!
ministry spokesman Jeffrey Feltman said on Al-Arabiya TV yesterday “We are looking for better ways to protect Syrian civilians, but we do not look here to apply the Libyan model in Syria” — http://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria?sk=wall
(4) The Arab League has said repeatedly recently that it is opposed to foreign intervention in Syria. At the Arab League meeting in Cairo on 16 Oct, as reported later by Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, three measures against Syria were considered and rejected: foreign military intervention, the imposition of trade sanctions, and freezing Syria’s membership in the Arab League. Arab League countries who rejected those measures included Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Oman, Lebanon, Yemen, Sudan, and Syria.
(5) Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah in interview on Al-Manar (#156) said the Syrian people support President Bashar Al-Assad’s regime, but if the people start opposing the regime, we [Hezbollah] will support the people. Think about that.

IF THE WHOLE OF SYRIA IS ALSO GROWING AT 3.46%, THEN THE CURRENT 23 MILLION WILL BE 100 MILLION BY 2055 – Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:06 PM

وما يمكن قوله في هذا المجال إن التزايد السكاني الكبير الذي ما زالت تشهده المحافظة والذي وصل إلى 3.46% كوسطي معدل نمو سنوي وذلك في ظل غياب تطبيق سياسات التربية السكانية يشكل جوهر المشكلة سواء فيما يتعلق بالدوام النصفي وغيره، فهناك عشرات الآلاف من التلاميذ المطلوب تسجيلهم سنوياً في مدارس التعليم الأساسي وبما يفوق أحياناً التوسع في إنشاء الأبنية المدرسية وبما بات يثير الشكوك حول إمكانية القضاء على الدوام النصفي المخطط في عام 2013!!

Iran’s Supreme Leader Floats Proposal to Abolish Presidency
2011-10-25, By Thomas Erdbrink

Oct. 25 (Washington Post) — TEHRAN — A proposal by Iran’s supreme leader to radically alter the country’s constitution and abolish the presidency is drawing praise from his  supporters but criticism from influential politicians. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who was appointed supreme leader for life in 1989 by Shiite Muslim clerics, said in a speech last week that, if deemed appropriate, Iran could do without a president. The post is currently held by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose 2009  reelection was disputed by opponents and led to months of street protests. Former president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said publicly Tuesday that the proposal strongly undermines the ideal of an Islamic republic, in which the people elect their leaders. Ahmadinejad, for his part, said in a speech Tuesday in the eastern city of Birjand, “We will not respond but know that the
nation is awake.” He was vague on whether he was specifically addressing the proposal to eliminate his position.

Ahmadinejad stressed that no one should have problems with “the people” and said that “if the time comes that anyone wants to block them from progressing, they will remove him in two seconds,” the Fararu Web site wrote. Under the proposal, Iran would be ruled by Khamenei working in tandem with parliament, which would continue to be directly elected and would appoint one of its members to serve as prime minister.

Ouster of Syria’s Assad would be ‘opportunity’ for Israel (video)

Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the US, said Tuesday it will take more time to know how the democratic uprisings in Arab nations will affect relations with Israel. But ‘possible ouster’ of President Assad in Syria would afford ‘an opportunity to us,’ he said.

Fresh Plaza (NL): Libya’s economy to shrink more than 50% after conflict
2011-10-26 14:22:36.602 GMT

Libya’s economy to shrink more than 50% after conflict Libya’s economy will contract more than 50 percent in 2011 as eight months of fighting paralyzed its oil industry, the International Monetary Fund said. “The conflict has had a severe …

DJ US Ambassador Hopes To Be Back In Syria Next Month
2011-10-26 20:17:51.187 GMT

WASHINGTON (AFP)–U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who was abruptly withdrawn this week because of security threats, hopes to return to Damascus before the end of November, the State Department said Wednesday.

“Let me just say he has bought his Thanksgiving turkey for his embassy staff, and he wants very much to have Thanksgiving dinner for his folks there. So that’s our expectation, it will be sometime before Thanksgiving,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. Thanksgiving falls on Nov. 24 this year.

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251. majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
How do you expect people to defend themselves against Shabbiha, regime gang?Shabbiha and the army now are killing demonstrators, thos demonstrators have the right of self defense,how do you suggest to do that?

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October 29th, 2011, 8:02 pm

 

252. Dale Andersen said:

Queation of the day…

If Ann could save Besho by sacrificing her life for his, would she?

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October 29th, 2011, 8:07 pm

 

253. Norman said:

Ghufran,

I agree,

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October 29th, 2011, 8:12 pm

 

254. Ghufran said:

Dear majed,
I have no doubt that most of us have one thing in common: we want the blood shed to end and we want a better life and better government in Syria.
The regime carries most of the blame for the situation we are in today,and it was the regime who used violence first,and yes people have the right to defend themselves and that is also true for members of the army.
My question remains though,what will an armed rebellion achieves and at what cost?
It is a big gamble to bet on the FSA to bring this crisis to an end and it is totally unacceptable to wait for NATO to save Syrian lives. A sustained non violent resistance may not be emotionally satisfying to many Syrians for good reasons but it is the right thing to do. I am a fierce opponent of Bashar,his family,almoukhabarat and albaath,not because I hate alawites but because Syria suffered so much because of this regime,but the answer is not a blood bath or a campaign to kill as many soldiers as possible. You may or may not know this,but you probably agree that a large number of those being killed from all sides do not deserve to die. I am afraid that a civil war may be taking shape in Syria and it will not spare anybody. The regime,like it or not,still has a lot of support and a huge pile of weapons,and thinking that the FSA and the SNC can forcefully remove this regime is mostly for PR purposes,the real goal is to invite foreign intervention,and that is something I am absolutely against. I hope all of us can disagree without exchanging ugly charges and insults,I have not yet met a Syrian who hates his country.

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October 29th, 2011, 8:28 pm

 

255. majedkhaldoun said:

Dear Norman
I agree that we do not want NATO to destroy Syria, and I am against it,but you asked
“what will an armed rebellion achieves and at what cost?”
Armed rebelion will change the balance of power,now is heavily tilted toward the regime, Shabbiha are free slaughtering civilian, they have to be neutralized, so the people must carry arms to defend themselves against such Shabbiha and security forces who are killing the syrians.
The cost will be heavy, but think about it this way, if everyday we have 20-40 syrian killed by Shabbiha,over a year will lose over 10,000 life at least those who died deserve someone to defend them,it is the regime to blame.
As far as insult it was Mjabali who started the personal attack,and he deserve that back.

People bush others, and so those who are pushed has to push back.

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October 29th, 2011, 8:47 pm

 

256. majedkhaldoun said:

Norman
The goverment must serve the interest of the people, and should fear the people,not to be much stronger than the people,the goverment power should come from people support.

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October 29th, 2011, 8:50 pm

 

257. Norman said:

I wonder if the leaving of Iraq by the American forces will accelerate the invasion of Syria to save on transportation, the controlled chaos of the Mideast is becoming more and more uncontrolled.

The Arabs are in trouble, They were responsible for the destruction of Iraq, then Libya, next is Syria ,

When the Mongols invaded the Abbasid Khalifa, the Amir said , they would leave Baghdad for me wouldn’t they, they ended their invasion by killing him and raping his daughters,

That is what is going to happen to the city states and their Khailfas of the Gulf.

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October 29th, 2011, 9:20 pm

 

258. majedkhaldoun said:

My comment # 250 is directed to Ghufran not Norman.,sorry.

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October 29th, 2011, 9:42 pm

 

259. irritated said:

Majedalkhakdoon

“Shabbiha and the army now are killing demonstrators, thos demonstrators have the right of self defense,how do you suggest to do that?\”

Simple! They say home and don’t demonstrate for a week.

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October 29th, 2011, 9:56 pm

 

260. Zoo said:

Syria’s Assad warns of “earthquake” if West intervenes
By Ralph Gowling | Reuters
http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-assad-warns-earthquake-west-intervenes-000302411.html
BEIRUT (Reuters) – Western powers risk causing an “earthquake” across the Middle East if they intervene in Syria, President Bashar al-Assad said, after protesters called for foreign protection from a crackdown in which 3,000 people have been killed.

Assad’s warning came ahead of Syrian government talks on Sunday with the Arab League aimed at starting a dialogue between the government and opposition and ending violence which has escalated across Syria in recent days.

Activists said Syrian forces killed more than 50 civilians in the last 48 hours and one activist group said suspected army deserters killed 30 soldiers in clashes in the city of Homs and in an ambush in the northern province of Idlib on Saturday.

Assad’s suppression of the seven-month uprising has drawn criticism from the United Nations and Arab League. Western governments have called on him to step down and imposed sanctions on Syrian oil exports and state businesses.

Western countries “are going to ratchet up the pressure, definitely,” Assad told Britain’s Sunday Telegraph newspaper.

“But Syria is different in every respect from Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen. The history is different. The politics is different.”

“Syria is the hub now in this region. It is the fault line, and if you play with the ground you will cause an earthquake.”

WESTERN STANCE

NATO military intervention in Libya played a decisive role in toppling Muammar Gaddafi, the third Arab leader to be overthrown after the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt.

Western nations have shown no appetite to repeat their Libyan operation in Syria, but demonstrators are increasingly calling for a “no-fly zone” over their country.

“Do you want to see another Afghanistan, or tens of Afghanistans?” Assad said. “Any problem in Syria will burn the whole region. If the plan is to divide Syria, that is to divide the whole region.”

Since the start of protests in March, Syrian authorities have blamed the violence on foreign-backed gunmen and religious extremists they say have killed 1,100 soldiers and police.

Syria has barred most international media, making it hard to verify accounts from activists and authorities.

But the resilience of the protesters, the determination of authorities to crush dissent and the emerging armed insurgency have combined to make Syria’s turmoil one of the most intractable confrontations of this year’s Arab uprisings.

Assad, whose father put down an armed Muslim Brotherhood uprising in the city of Hama in 1982, killing many thousands, said the latest crisis was part of the same conflict.

“We’ve been fighting the Muslim Brotherhood since the 1950s and we are still fighting with them,” he said.

Authorities had made “many mistakes” in the early part of the uprising, but he said the situation had now improved and that he had started implementing reform within a week of the troubles erupting in mid-March.

“The pace of reform is not too slow. The vision needs to be mature. It would take only 15 seconds to sign a law, but if it doesn’t fit your society, you’ll have division,” he said.

Assad’s opponents say although he lifted emergency law and gave citizenship to thousands of stateless Kurds, his promises of reform ring hollow while security forces kill protesters and arrest thousands of people. They also say protests are driven by a desire for greater freedoms, not by an Islamist agenda.

Friday’s shooting of demonstrators prompted Arab ministers to issue their strongest call yet on Assad to end the killing of civilians.

The Arab League’s committee on the Syrian crisis sent an “urgent message to the Syrian government expressing its severe discontent over the continued killing of Syrian civilians.”

A source at Syria’s Foreign Ministry, quoted by state media, said the Arab League statement was “based on media lies” and urged the committee to “help restore stability in Syria instead of stirring sedition.”

An Arab League ministerial group is due to meet Syrian officials on Sunday in Qatar to press for dialogue between the government and opposition.

Syria, a majority Sunni Muslim nation of 20 million people, is dominated by Assad’s minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi’ite Islam.

Aware of potentially seismic geopolitical implications if Assad were to fall, leaders in the mostly Sunni Arab world have been cautious about criticising the Syrian president as they struggle with domestic challenges to their own rule.

Sunni ascendancy in Syria could affect Israel and shake up regional alliances. Assad strengthened ties with Shi’ite Iran while also upholding his father’s policy of avoiding conflict with Israel on the occupied Golan Heights frontier.

Syria has barred most international media, making it hard to verify accounts from activists and authorities.

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October 29th, 2011, 10:35 pm

 

261. majedkhaldoun said:

Irritated
If the demonstrators stay home it means defeat and the regime won, this is not an acceptable solution,the battle is still raging,and the only outcome as history tells us is that the people usually win.

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October 29th, 2011, 10:38 pm

 

262. Revlon said:

222. Dear Bronco,

“Any news about the move of the SNC to occupy the Syrian Embassy in Tripoli, since they got the recognition from the Libyan TNC?”

– With the withdrawal of the legitimacy of the regime by a significant chunk of the Syrian public, their representation of have become doubtful at best.
On the other hand, The SNC, although supported by the Revolution, it does not literally represent them; They do not make such a claim. It is merely a an opposisional political block with large support on the ground; they do not claim to represent all of the opposition either.

The Libyan new government’s decision to suspend the regime’s legal ownership to the embassy until the resolution of the ongoing strife has been is a wise one.

“They must try hard and come up with a political program for Syria, not only with a sterile “toppling” program that has become more confused than ever ( fly zone/no fly zone, NATO/ no NATO, peaceful/ armed). They are obviously totally lost.”

– The political agenda of the SNC for post-Asad phase is that of its six forming political blocks; It is quite diverse!
Evey one of them has issued detailed statements on their political vision, and some on their economic plans for post-Asad Syria.

Added, other social forces in the society also met in Cairo two months ago and issued a statement on their vision for a strong harmonious relations between all constituents of the Syrian. nation.

There is no single vision for post-Asad Syria; we are trying to do away with one, not just to replace it with another!
All political forces are going to need time to lobby in a safe environment in order to make their voices heard by those who count, the Syrian people, the voters!

Only then, the relevence and legitimacy of any political and economical plan can be tested and be said to have passed or failed the test!

Cheers!

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October 29th, 2011, 10:38 pm

 

263. majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
Bashar said there will be earthquake that will burn the whole Middle East,if the west attack Syria
I found this delusional, Does he think that Russia will interfere militarily, or would Iran jump in, or is it that he will attack Israel that will cause the burning, It is what Saddam said, He called it the mother of all battles, it is what Gaddafi said,neither Russia nor Israel did anything,I believe he is miscalculating.

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October 29th, 2011, 11:02 pm

 

264. irritated said:

MajedAlkhaldoon

After 7 months, they achieved nothing but death and escalation of violence. Now like the Libyans they are begging the foreign countries for a help they won’t get. I call this a dead end.

Don’t you think it’s time for a ceasefire and negotiation?

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October 29th, 2011, 11:11 pm

 

265. Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: ZOOEY

RE: “…Syria’s Assad warns of “earthquake” if West intervenes…”

Reminds me of Saddam’s “Mother of all Battles” speech just before the liberation of Baghdad. When the US troops neared Baghdad, all the Iraqi soldiers threw down their rifles and ran away. The Mother of all Battles went poof!

I expect the reality of Besho’s “earthquake” is a slight tremor. Even so, he needn’t worry. No one’s going to invade Syria. Let Besho keep his useless throne and let his own people kill him.

BTW, when Besho does die, it will be at the hand of someone he trusts implicitly. Arabs are very good at betrayal. Besho should be very careful about his food. And he should change houses frequently.

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October 29th, 2011, 11:12 pm

 

266. zoo said:

Majedalkhaldoon

If you read the whole article, it does say that the danger of an “earthquake” is not an illusion but a reality Arab leaders fear.

“Aware of potentially seismic geopolitical implications if Assad were to fall, leaders in the mostly Sunni Arab world have been cautious about criticising the Syrian president as they struggle with domestic challenges to their own rule.”

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October 29th, 2011, 11:18 pm

 

267. SYR.EXPAT said:

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/30/174397.html

محللون سياسيون: مهمة اللجنة الوزارية كانت لـ “إبراء الذمة”
النظام السوري يعمل على نسف مبادرة الجامعة العربية ومستمر في قتل المدنيين

“أجمع محللون سياسيون على أن النظام السوري يعمل على نسف مبادرة الجامعة العربية لحل الأزمة في سوريا، من خلال لهجته، واستمرار عمليات القتل ضد المدنيين، وأن الوقت قد أوشك على نهاية هذا النظام.

فقد قال جمال زايدة، مدير تحرير جريدة الأهرام للشؤون السياسية، إن النظام السوري لم يعطِ الفرصة للرسائل التي جاءت سواءاً من الجانب الروسي أو الصيني أو من جانب اللجنة العربية المنبثقة من جامعة الدول العربية أو حتى الرسالة التي وجهتها بريطانيا بضرورة تقديم حلول على أرض الواقع فيما يتعلق بوقف العنف ومنع مواجهة المتظاهرين بالقتل والاستماع إلى مطالب الشعب السوري.

وقال زايدة في حديثه لبرنامج “بانوراما” الذي بثته شاشة “العربية إن النظام السوري يهدف إلى نسف مهمة اللجنة العربية من خلال لهجته التحريضية ورفضه للرسالة التي أرسلتها اللجنة العربية إلى دمشق، والادعاء بهذا الكلام الفارغ فيما يتعلق باستخدام قنوات تحريضية، وهذه لغة تلجأ إليها الأنظمة الشمولية في مرحلة ما قبل السقوط.

وأشار زايدة إلى أن الوقت قد أزف، وأوشك على الانتهاء أمام النظام السوري، وأن مهمة اللجنة الوزارية كانت لإبراء ذمة الجامعة العربية إزاء الشعب السوري، وإزاء الشعوب العربية مجتمعة.”

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October 29th, 2011, 11:22 pm

 

268. Ya Mara Ghalba said:

On 29 Oct Tartous had yet another festivity in support of the regime and the regime’s reforms. (SANA). Tartous city has certainly had by far the most pro-regime festivities of any town in Syria this year. (In addition I’ve been told that Tartous province didn’t have any anti-regime demonstration at all this year and is the only Syrian province where that’s true).

Saturday’s Tartous congregation was organized by a group called Clever Woman Society. You know you’d never see an anti-regime demonstration anywhere in Syria organized or supported by any sort of a clever-woman group. Virtually all educated women support the regime and the regime’s reforms, and that includes the educated women who are conservative in their religion.

Vaguely relatedly, a well-known commentator says about Tunisia (I usually can’t agree with this commentator, and I don’t know enough about Tunisia to know if he’s not mistaken again, but I think this time he’s right):

This year’s Tunisian revolution was not a middle class achievement but was, on the contrary, driven forward by young men and women on the margin of society, bitter at their own misery and at the corruption of the former ruling elite. Of all the political parties, the Islamic Arab parties can justly claim to be closest to the common people and the underprivileged. But in most Arab countries, the Islamists will be constrained by the counter-weight of long-established secularists. Tunisia’s large and educated middle class will be a force that Tunisia’s Islamic political party will have to accommodate.

This year’s Syrian protests were not supported by women of any class and were opposed by virtually all of the middle class. See sterotypical photo of people leaving the Umayyad Square pro-regime rally on 26 Oct 2011, scroll to bottom of photo:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/298519_277460735621580_213648502002804_902236_1098039169_n.jpg

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October 29th, 2011, 11:27 pm

 

269. Norman said:

Irritated,

The opposition do not want peaceful solution, they want the destruction of Arab Nationalism that has been a sore in the side of the other Arab states that fear Syria’s nationalistic stand the destruction of the Syrian Arab army and the Baath party, for all these reasons, the chance of negotiation with the opposition is gone , now the time for total win by the government and pushing through the reform and the feel of respect that the Syrian people deserve.

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October 29th, 2011, 11:28 pm

 

270. majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
The Arab spring,Awakening, will temprarily ends when Bashar is ousted,the sooner this happen,the more relax the kings will feel,in another 5-10 years the Arab spring will reach KSA and other countries.
Bashar now is scared to death,what do you think he will say on monday ? he probably say the conspiracy theory,and tell the syrian the west is planing to attack Syria

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October 29th, 2011, 11:54 pm

 

271. zoo said:

MajedAlkhadoon

Bashar is scared? Of what?
He has active and powerful allies. His enemies, the EU and US are paralyzed after having applied all the sanctions they could. The foreign based opposition is divided and is getting little help except from regular media outcries and some timid encouragement from western countries and pro-Israel journalists. The Free Syrian Army is increasingly violent and is giving the best excuse for Bashar to crush it once for all as these killings are very unpopular with common syrian citizens whose sons are in the army.

If the opposition was courageous, they’ll become a political party and fight with the voices they can get. But they know they won’t get much votes, so they persist in sterile demonstrations. Their calls for countrywide strikes was a fiasco.

I think Bahsar’s speech will be like Turkey’s president when 20 Turkish soldiers were killed 2 weeks ago. He will vow tougher actions on the killers of the army soldiers and no mercy for whoever defend their acts. He will also present the plans of reforms in detail.

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October 30th, 2011, 12:34 am

 

272. Norman said:

Somebody said that the man that intend on revenge, should dig two graves, one for his enemy and one for himself .

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October 30th, 2011, 12:38 am

 

273. Ghufran said:

الجبهه الشعبيه للتحرير و التغيير
http://www.kassioun.org/index.php?mode=article&id=17487
The idea of recruiting secular opposition members must be encouraged.
The SNC is one part of the opposition,it is not THE opposition. We should not assume that the SNC represents all or most anti regime forces.
They have the right to speak and organize,and so do we.

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October 30th, 2011, 1:08 am

 

274. ann said:

The West is hijacking Arab revolutions to the benefit of Islamists

By RAGHIDA DERGHAM

Sunday, 30 October 2011

http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2011/10/30/174441.html

There are two schools of thought that do not agree with the opinion that there is no escape from accepting the movements of “moderate Islam” because they have been victorious in the revolutions and base themselves on the change brought by the Arab Spring. Those two schools do not agree that the Arab Spring is the spring of Islamists, and they do not agree to the claim that they are the makers of the Arab awakening or spring. These two schools want to stop the Islamists from hijacking the Arab Awakening and climbing to power with the help of the West, whether the latter is naïve or ill-intentioned.

One school says: let the Islamists rule the Arab region, as this is an opportunity to prove their failure at controlling a people that does not want them. Those affiliated with this school point to Hamas and the Palestinian people’s reactions to it, in not accepting it and Islamist rule. They believe that the Arab people will defeat Islamist movements, and that they will fail. Then the modernists will return nearly victorious and welcomed by the people, and things will move forward. This then is an opportunity to prove the sure failure of Islamists, so let them fail.

The other school says: the greatest mistake is for the modernists to dwindle and withdraw from the battle now, because the Islamists reaching power will consolidate their rule for decades, not years. We must therefore immediately demand a transitional phase that would give these movements the opportunity to organize into political parties and enter the elections.

This is while bearing in mind that the only organized party is that of the Islamists, having been the only opposition movement under the former rulers. Those who are of this opinion insist on yielding neither to the cunning of the Islamists nor to the naivety of the West, and on launching an awareness campaign for world public opinion about Islamists and Western governments hijacking the Arab Spring in order to exclude the modernists, young and old equally.

It would be more logical for Western capitals to hear and to listen closely, because their partnership in hijacking the Arab youth’s ambitions of freedom, pluralism, democracy and modernity will come at high cost for them – not just for the path of change that has emerged from the soul of the youths of the Arab Spring.

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October 30th, 2011, 2:32 am

 

275. Revlon said:

SNP’s paramilitia is in with the regime’s in the ongoing crackdown on civilian demonstrators and activists!

Syrian Revolution Intelligence System جهاز إستخبارات الثورة
السورية
30/10/2011
http://www.facebook.com/Syria.Revolution.Intelligence
ادلب ليكس Idlib leaks
الى احرار مدينة ادلب احذروا شبيحة ما يسمى الحزب القومي السوري التالية اسماؤهم ولم ننشر هذه الاسماء حتى تأكدنا من الافعال المؤذية التي يقومون بها بحق ثوار مدينة ادلب:
محمد خلوف: يملك سيارة شيفرولية سماوية اللون ويعمل ببيع الادوية وقدم سلمه الامن العسكري بندقية.
شكيب تركماني: يعمل بالديكور وايضاً استلم بندقية وقد شوهد يضع قناعاً ويندس بين المتظاهرين.
محمد سليم معاز: يملك محل العاب قرب البرج وقد شوهد حين هاجم شبيحة آل عثمان المتظاهرين حيث كان معهم ويحمل بندقية كلاشنكوف.
جورج ميشيل جبور: شوهد عدة مرات في سيارة من نوع كيا سيارتو ومعه كلاشنكوف وكان بجانبه شخص ملثم على الارجح هو احد الاشخاص السالفي الذكر.
ملاحظة: هؤلاء بدأت تظهر عليهم مظاهر الترف والاموال حتى ان جورج ومحمد قد اشتروا سيارتيهما بعد حصول الثورة السورية وامتدادها الى مدينة ادلب وان الحزب الذين هم اعضاء فيه شوهدت اعلامه في المسييرات المؤيدة بحلب ودمشق واللاذقية وهو يشبه اشارة النازية.
وهم يتعاملون مساعد اول بالامن العسكري يدعى ابو حبيب وهو من مدينة بانياس

8 hours ago

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October 30th, 2011, 2:46 am

 

276. Mango said:

Denver Police Fire Rubber Bullets On Occupy Denver Protesters

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October 30th, 2011, 2:48 am

 

277. Revlon said:

Video of Mortally wounded A7mad martini.
He fell martyr in the courtyard of the mosque by Thug One’s mob forces who were trying to smother the civilian crowd’s chants even inside the mosque!

AlFati7a upon his soul,
May God bless his family with solace and empower them with patience.

Abderra7man Ibn 3of Mosque, AlQusoor, Hama city
Fridy of the No-Fly-Zone
28/10/2011

حماه الشهيد أحمد مارتيني داخل مسجد عبد الرحمن بن عوف – سوريا – أموي

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October 30th, 2011, 2:58 am

 

278. Revlon said:

Defiant Baba 3amr
A video contrasting the powerful impact of Graffiti of peaceful activists with counterpart of armed Thug One’s forces on the walls of a public School!
Indeed Syria is a hostage to terrorist gangs; Thug One is their boss!

Baba 3mar suburb, Homs
29/10/2011

باباعمرو قصف مدرسة عائشة أم المؤمنين حتى المدرسة لم تسلم من إرهابيين بشار الأسد 29 10 2011 – سوريا – أموي

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October 30th, 2011, 3:18 am

 

279. Revlon said:

So “activists of الجبهه الشعبيه للتحرير و التغيير
were able to move across Syria and hold an unauthorised antiregime meeting in Damascus!

Well, the poor young men in the video linked to hereunder could not make it past the Mosques’gate without being rounded up by Thug One’s army; their crime was making antiregime chants!

One more thing that this video highlights is the infiltration of praying crowds by informants with beards, and wearing traditional outfits of pious Muslems (Frames at 8 and 58 seconds).

28 10 2011هجوم الامن على مصلين واعتقال عدد منهم وضربهم حمص حي الملعب مدخل جامع عمر بن الخطاب – سوريا – أموي
Omar Ibn AlKha66ab’s Monsque
AlMal3am neighbourhood, Homs
Friday of the No-Fly-Zone.

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October 30th, 2011, 3:39 am

 

280. Revlon said:

A video showing the impact of artillery/tank shelling on a house.
Talbeeseh town, Homs Governorate.

29 9 2011 Talbeseh Homs أوغاريت تلبيسة حمص اصابة بيت بأكثر من قذيفة أثر القصف الشديد

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October 30th, 2011, 3:53 am

 

281. Revlon said:

Mother mourning her son, Ma7mood Junaid.
May God avenge my son’s death….
May God avenge my son’s death…

Baba 3amr suburb of Homs

29 10 2011Homs أوغاريت حمص , باباعمرو الشهيد محمود جنيد وامه تبكيه مقطع مؤثر

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October 30th, 2011, 4:07 am

 

282. Revlon said:

A little boy, the son of Jasem Azza3noofeh, Sheikh of Bani-Khaled’s tribe mourns the death of his father at the hands of Thug One’s forces!

Deir B3albi, Homs

29 10 2011 Homs أوغاريت حمص , دير بعلبة , الشهيد جاسم الزعنوفة ووداع ابنه له

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October 30th, 2011, 4:08 am

 

283. Revlon said:

الشاعرة بيان حوى
On Zeinab’s plight!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=267919109912711&set=a.236523519718937.52736.236519286386027&type=1

“” قضية زينب “” و افتراءات الشبيحة

أقزامك يا باغي كذبوا ………. قد وهموا الزمن بنيسانِ

من أخبر عن زينب خبراً ؟ …….. أنّ الجثة عند الجاني ؟

من أضنى الأمّ بفلذتها ………. ماتت عاشت بعد ثواني

من أخرج أمراً بوفاةٍ ؟………… من أمر بدفن الجثمانِ ؟

إن كان الفاعل مجهولاً ………… و الأمن يهيم كسكرانِ

فالسحق لثلةٍ زعران ………….. حكمت والثمن بجولان

مِن صَفْع ِ الأعداء نعامه … و على الشعب كما الشجعان

و قرابته الخائن رامي…………… قد قَرن الأمن بإعلان:

أنّ الأمن باسرائيل ٍ ……………. هو للدولة حصن أمانِ

أ سْرائيلٌ أمنها فرضٌ ؟!! … في عنق الأمن الخوّانِ ؟؟!!

فالمقتول بعرفك جاني …………… و الجاني نبعٌ لحنانِ

أفٍّ من قسمتك الحمقى ……….. ياعبداً عند السّجان

حسناً يافلتة أزماني …….. ليس لزينب ذا الجثمان !!!!

أو أن الزّينب قد بُعثت !؟!………. فالحاكم كإلهٍ ثاني !!!

عذراً فهو الربّ الأول ……………. و أخوه هو ربٌّ ثاني

قد حنّ على زينب لحظة …………. فأعاد الروح لاركانِ

لكنّي قد حرت كثيراً ………….. فالجثة هزّت وجداني

إن كانت زينب أو أخرى ….. أفليس الجسد لإنسانِ؟؟!!

أم أنّها بنتٌ فائضةٌ …………. عن بعض قطيع الخرفان

و جعلت الجثّة كالدّمية !! .. هل تبدو مثل الملكانِ ؟؟!!

ما أقبح عقل المخبول ………… يتخبط بالحمق يعاني

جعل الجثة مثل كمين ٍ ………. نصبت لجموع الإعلانِ

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October 30th, 2011, 4:15 am

 

284. Syrialover said:

Assad: challenge Syria at your peril
Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, has warned that Western action against his country would cause an “earthquake” that would “burn the whole region”. – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8857898/Assad-challenge-Syria-at-your-peril.html

OBSERVATION: This is his threat against Syrians, warning them what he has in store for them.

The whole place can go up in flames and Syrians die in their tens of thousands, that’s what he’ll make happen if anyone tries to stop him doing another Hama (or two or three).

Please tell us, Assad apologists, how many other countries in history have had their citizens killed and threatened en masse in this way by their “leader” so he can keep personal power? Not many.

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October 30th, 2011, 4:31 am

 

285. Mina said:

The protests were dying in Syria, the West decided to eliminate Qaddafi and bet it would incite more, with the little help of satellite channels.
The Syrian opposition was in total confusion and internal fights, the West comes with a so-called interview (3 sentences, the rest is written by the journalist). Today all radios in Europe have something to speak about instead of the job cuts: “Bashar’s threats,” as they put it. Of course, nothing about the actual geopolitics of the conflict, that is that indeed, if you attack Hamas and Hizbollah, you risk a strong reaction. When this was true for Israel, they would say it, but when it is about Syria, no comment.

I still don’t see the full interview although there are two articles!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/8857883/Syrias-President-Assad-I-live-a-normal-life-its-why-Im-popular.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8857898/Assad-challenge-Syria-at-your-peril.html

In an economic crisis, journalists are also scared for their jobs. It is just very obvious. Didn’t Assange call them ‘criminals’ recently when he appeared at the London “Indignés” protest?

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October 30th, 2011, 5:10 am

 

286. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

TECHTONIC WEAPONS

Seems that after inventing the global continent eraser, and later ANN, the SYRIA-IRAN labs have finally up with the geo techtonic weapons.

@ SYRIALOVER

Please tell us, Assad apologists, how many other countries in history have had their citizens killed and threatened en masse in this way by their “leader” so he can keep personal power? Not many.

They will not answer because the answer foretells Mr. Al-Assad’s inevitable future, but I’ll chance it.

LIBYA

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October 30th, 2011, 5:28 am

 

287. Kubbeh said:

Zoo,
“Bashar is scared? Of what?”
Israel

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October 30th, 2011, 6:12 am

 

288. Mina said:

The US, proudly defending gerontocracies and theocracies whatever it will cost them!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/world/middleeast/united-states-plans-post-iraq-troop-increase-in-persian-gulf.html

The Obama administration plans to bolster the American military presence in the Persian Gulf after it withdraws the remaining troops from Iraq this year, according to officials and diplomats. That repositioning could include new combat forces in Kuwait able to respond to a collapse of security in Iraq or a military confrontation with Iran.

The plans, under discussion for months, gained new urgency after President Obama’s announcement this month that the last American soldiers would be brought home from Iraq by the end of December. Ending the eight-year war was a central pledge of his presidential campaign, but American military officers and diplomats, as well as officials of several countries in the region, worry that the withdrawal could leave instability or worse in its wake.

After unsuccessfully pressing both the Obama administration and the Iraqi government to permit as many as 20,000 American troops to remain in Iraq beyond 2011, the Pentagon is now drawing up an alternative.

In addition to negotiations over maintaining a ground combat presence in Kuwait, the United States is considering sending more naval warships through international waters in the region.

With an eye on the threat of a belligerent Iran, the administration is also seeking to expand military ties with the six nations in the Gulf Cooperation Council — Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman. While the United States has close bilateral military relationships with each, the administration and the military are trying to foster a new “security architecture” for the Persian Gulf that would integrate air and naval patrols and missile defense.

The size of the standby American combat force to be based in Kuwait remains the subject of negotiations, with an answer expected in coming days. Officers at the Central Command headquarters here declined to discuss specifics of the proposals, but it was clear that successful deployment plans from past decades could be incorporated into plans for a post-Iraq footprint in the region.
(…)

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October 30th, 2011, 6:29 am

 

289. Mohamed Kanj said:

Watch this video. Freedom loving syrian women demanding their rights and democracy. I apologise for the few women who forgot to wear the black hand gloves and dared to show their hands in public. These syrian women represent Haythams christian minority wish for democracy in syria. WHAT A JOKE

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October 30th, 2011, 6:58 am

 

290. Mina said:

Fighting wrong wars, they’ll never learn as long as it makes good money for weapon merchants and bankers:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MJ29Df02.html

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October 30th, 2011, 7:08 am

 

291. Syrialover said:

The west knows all about dictators and civil wars and massacres – they experienced WWII, which some describe as a European civil war.

That’s where they got their silly ideas about rescuing civilians from vicious dictators, rebuilding destroyed and impoverished nations and advocating and supporting democratic systems.

And it’s why anything modern western nations do today is exhaustively debated, transparently decided, voted on and publicly financed. The outcome might not match the intentions, but the process remains intact.

Interesting that some Syrians living in the west who comment on this forum clearly think that’s a stupid and immoral way to operate – they prefer the Assad and Gaddafi systems.

Maybe they would like to see a WWII type of experience for the Middle East – providing of course they can sit it out safely in the west.

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October 30th, 2011, 7:09 am

 

292. majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo said
“Bashar is scared? Of what?”
Bashar is afraid of loosing his ,and his family power.,he is afraid to end up like Gaddafi.he is deeply comcerned that he could not end this revolution.
You say the opposition is not courageous, you are wrong , there is no more courage than to demonstrate risking their lives.
There are more sanctions that can be applied on Bashar.

Norman #269
this is right.revenge will lead to both dying.

Mjabali does not think that we are in mini civil war,you are wrong it is increasingly obvious we are in mini civil war,you said we are not Arab and not Syrian, that was most stupid statement anyone can say.

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October 30th, 2011, 7:29 am

 
 

294. Tara said:

Assad is a children killer. He killed his own people. He should not be given any international platform to express his views. Giving him a platform is respecting him. The Telegraph made a mistake. The only platform he should be given is SANA…SANA is what he deserves.

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October 30th, 2011, 9:04 am

 

295. ghufran said:

an advice to Tunisia’s new leaders
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/30/174473.html

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October 30th, 2011, 9:07 am

 

296. Tara said:

Syrialover@ 288

Well written post!

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October 30th, 2011, 9:08 am

 
 

298. Shami said:

After Rami Makhlouf’s Mother Theresa choice,the hypocrit Bashar al jahesh persists to present himself as an alike of a mahatma,it seems that the narcissistic rage is a familly disease:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/8857883/Syrias-President-Assad-I-live-a-normal-life-its-why-Im-popular.html

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October 30th, 2011, 9:44 am

 

299. Tara said:

Majed @290

Thanks for the link. The Iranian-British journalist is pretty elegant. I would love for my daughter to become an investigative journalist. I spent great chunk of my weekends in Madaya and Bloudan living in Syria. I always thought of Madayans as very “macho” but never thought then that they have that much heroism. I pity those who watch the clip and still think this is a western conspiracy not an authentic home-grown uprising. I wonder if their feeling is just an unconscious attempt to cover their prejudice…

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October 30th, 2011, 9:54 am

 

300. Revlon said:

A rare video proof of heavy tank artillary shelling of residential neighbourhoods.
Partial destruction of the front of a house in Baba Amr, Homs as a result of a salvo of three shells.

حمص المحتلة- المقطع الذي سيكسر ظهر الاسد2011 29-10

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