ADC on Anti-Arab remarks of Emmanuel’s father

I just received the following email from the ADC:

The American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee urges you to take immediate action by using the contact info below to express your disappointment to President-Elect Obama and Congressman Rahm Emmanuel for the detestable anti-Arab remarks Emmanuel’s father made this past week.

ADC wrote a letter to Congressman Emmauel and President-Elect Barack Obama asking the congressman to publicly repudiate the derogatory comments his father made. Benjamin Emmanuel was quoted by numerous Israeli and American publications as saying  “Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn’t he be? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to clean the floors of the White House.”

There should be no place for such demeaning rhetoric and these comments are contrary to the very type change the President-Elect promised he would bring to America. 

Contact President-Elect Obama by fax at 202.228.5417 or through this online contact form .

Contact Congressman Emmanuel by fax at 202.225.5603 or via E-mail at emma.jurado@mail.house.gov

Here is some language I wrote up the a few days ago that may be useful in formulating a response:

The anti-Arab remark made by Rahm Emanuel’s father is not consistent with the spirit of change and ethnic equality that President Elect Obama promises to bring to the White House. Arab Americans have put great hope in his election. They believe that they have a part to play in building a new and more equal America.

A public statement by Rahm Emanuel explaining that he does not approve of his father’s remark would go a long way in reassuring us that the president elect and new administration value Arab Americans. We all hope to move beyond the divisiveness of the past to create a future of mutual respect. By distancing himself from his father’s remark, Rahm Emanuel will demonstrate that he does not share his father’s opinion of Arabs and will help the new administration act as an honest broker in the Middle East and at home.

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51. Shai said:

AIG,

If our goal is to cause Hamas to capitulate, or even to stop lobbing $10 rockets at us, and for near 8 years we’ve failed, using every means possible (from air, land, and sea), why don’t we just drop an atomic bomb on Gaza, kill only 50 or 100 thousand, and get what we want? No one took the U.S. to any international court of law after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and we could probably get away with it. So why not, AIG? It’s not like we haven’t tried enough, right? We could rationalize use of the bomb I think. Let’s do it then. Why not AIG? Are there certain things that are NOT allowed in war? This is war after all, isn’t it?

I’m taking a break now, mainly because I need to do some other things, but also because you’re really talking some serious BS right now AIG. Take a deep breath, go wash your face, and relax.

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November 12th, 2008, 4:29 pm

 

52. AIG said:

Shai,
Lebanon has not sworn to destroy us and has accepted a brokered cease fire that INCLUDES NATO ships monitoring incoming ships to Lebanon. Lebanon in fact reacted to the COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT that hitting targets in Lebanon inflicted on the WHOLE population and the economy of Lebanon (because collective punishment is a by product of all wars) and has made sure so far that the border is quiet.

Hamas has done none of these things nor has it accepted the demands of the Quartet, not the demands of Israel. They are in a state of WAR with us and it is THEY not us that are holding the Palestinians hostage. You really don’t care that they will use the seaport to arm making any future confrontation more bloody??? How reckless are you of Israeli lives??? Why are you not willing to pursue the SIMPLE solution. Get Hamas to agree to what Russia, US, UN and EU are asking.

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November 12th, 2008, 4:32 pm

 

53. why-discuss said:

Shai, Yisrael Medad

“A non-Israeli cannot serve in the army (but a Christian or Muslim Israeli can, not only Jews). What Rahmbo apparently did, also according to Israeli media, is help out on a base, during the first Gulf War. Each year, there are numerous Jewish volunteers (I believe also non-Jewish) that come from all over the world, and do this sort of “pretty-crappy” work. But, it is helping out, and does give them a sense of contribution I suppose”

“Rahm have done volunteer work at Israeli army bases in a non-direct military fashion shuch as rearranginf storehouses, shining and polishing, etc.”

Did Rahm clean the floor too as part of his “contribution” to the IDF? Maybe this is why his father is so adamant about Rahm NOT cleaning the floor of the White House! He seems not to have swallowed the “Pretty-Crappy” tasks his son did!

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November 12th, 2008, 4:39 pm

 

54. Off the Wall said:

The US ability to assist in any peace negotiation hinges on our economic situation. The economic situation must continue to be our priority now. Without recovering our economy and without getting out of Iraq, and showing some measureable progress in redeeming our constitution, all else will fail and we risk making the situation even worse than it is.

Obama administration should still work hard to force some progress on the indirect talks between Israel and Syria. It should also convince the congress of the futility of any further anti-syrian resolutions especially in light of the not-so-innocent leaks from not-so-good meaning so called “IAEA connected diplomats”. An american observer presense in the indirect talks would be very helpful, but the official line should be:” you guys talk it over for now, establish the framework for direct talk, find out what you need from us, and when you are both ready to start the direct talks, from which there will be no back-out, we will gladly get from the back-chairs to the charis at the meeting table and work with you”. This will force both sides to talk without American pressure, but with recognition of American support.

In the meantime, The administration should appoint a new ambassador to Syria, preferrably someone with Arabic skills. I think this should be one of the issues and demands the Syrian-American community should forecfully bring up on the change.gov web site.

Folks, or as McCain would say, “my fellow prisoners”, 🙂 while I do appreciate ADC very much, I am not so sure that since the departure of Mr. Hussain Ibish as their director of communication, they have been as effective as they once were. We do not need an alternative organization for I would like to help them regain some vigour, but we can also start our own grass root compaigns without being an organization. In fact, we, as individual have much more flexibility in voicing our own opponions, which do not always coincide 100% with ADC statement or with any other advocacy group for that matter.

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November 12th, 2008, 5:03 pm

 

55. SAGHIR said:

“The administration should appoint a new ambassador to Syria, preferrably someone with Arabic skills?”

I nominate Professor Landis.

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November 12th, 2008, 5:08 pm

 

56. Akbar Palace said:

Notice, so that you don’t suddenly get the urge to suggest I’m recommending use of force against my own people, that I specifically said (told Alia above) that “fighting” Israeli policy should NOT be done using power, but rather using words and images. My conscience is not cleansed by so doing, because I know I can do more. I can become an active activist, not a mostly passive one like I am today. But at least I’m doing something, instead of nothing.

Shai,

Yes, you are advocating “fighting Israeli policy … using words and images”. Great. And the GOI will fight Hamas policy by using words and images as well.

What will that get you? Is this a new approach? Hasn’t the Left been fighting Israeli policy for the past 4 decades? You still have work harder if you want to get the world to believe it’s all Israel’s fault.

BTW, I asked you for what purpose you wanted to demonstrate (Post #32). You didn’t answer.

AIG,

You’ve successfully exposed the DOUBLE STANDARD: Israel is the only country in the world who has to take into account the enemy’s welfare while at the same time, absorb their missile firings. So now it’s not enough to leave Gaza and end the occupation there. Israel is now suppose to turn their cheek like Jesus did every time a missile is lobbed into Israel.

Israel’s targeted assassinations are the best she can do.

Of course, no one here can merely suggest that Hamas stop firing rockets, or worst yet, negotiate a peace with the Zionist Entity. That wouldn’t jive with the “peace-lovers” here at SC.

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November 12th, 2008, 5:09 pm

 

57. Off the Wall said:

Saghir
Thanks, you read my mind 🙂

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November 12th, 2008, 5:11 pm

 

58. Off the Wall said:

Crap, I wrote this phrase:

especially in light of the not-so-innocent leaks from not-so-good meaning so called “IAEA connected diplomats”

when I read it again, i could not help but notice that it sounds like something Palin might have said ” not-so nt-so, so called”.

🙂

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November 12th, 2008, 5:15 pm

 

59. norman said:

saghir,

do you think it is good idea to buy shares in GM and FORD ,

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November 12th, 2008, 5:18 pm

 

60. SAGHIR said:

Norman,

Absolutely NOT.

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November 12th, 2008, 5:26 pm

 

61. norman said:

Saghir,

thank you.

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November 12th, 2008, 5:27 pm

 

62. shaza said:

I don’t understand why there is so much reliance on the U.S. administration to solve the Arab Israeli conflict! I was so pleased to hear of the Syrian Israeli peace negotiations that are taking place with the help of Turkey and without the help of the U.S. After Obama picked Rahm Emmanuel to be his Chief of Staff it became quite clear what type of even-handedness there will be in dealing with the Arab Israeli conflict! Why don’t the Syrians and the Palestinians negotiate with the Israelis without the help of the U.S. but with some other country’s mediation ? It is obvious that the U.S. administration will not change suddenly to become fair, unfortunately, not even with the election of Obama and all his promises of change and fairness. I don’t understand why the U.S. administration ends up always supporting the far right in the Israeli govenment. What about people in Israel who actually support peace and have been working for it? Why doesn’t the American admisnitration support those Israelis? The most striking thing for me since I moved here to the U.S., has been the weakness of Arab Americans. I haven’t heard a single voice in the media that managed to complain about the ‘new anti-semitism’ against people who speak Arabic!
The other thing that I don’t understand is continuously linking Arabic speaking people with Islam and forgetting about Arab Christians and even arab Jews. ‘Arab’ is more of a political or geographic description than an ethnic or Muslim description. I know that the prophet Mohammed came from Saudi Arabia, but Jesus came from Palestine and so did Abraham and Moses. I don’t think that Arabic speaking people are reminding the general American public about these facts. People here in the U.S. have the impression that Arabs are one ethnicity and they are all extemist Muslims. There is so much disinformation and distortion of simple facts that Arab Americans should be responsible to clarify over and over again. Fighting disinformation is like trying to obtain ones freedom; it does not drop in your lap, but you have to fight for it.

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November 12th, 2008, 5:42 pm

 

63. Shai said:

Akbar Palace,

“Is this a new approach?”

Ah, no. It’s called “communication”, even if indirect. The Left has NOT “been fighting Israeli policy for the past 4 decades” – it has been PART of that policy, incase you haven’t noticed.

“You still have to work harder if you want to get the world to believe it’s all Israel’s fault.”

With all due respect, who the hell are you to lecture me about my “it’s all Israel’s fault” attitude? What do you about what I’ve done for my country? But I can guess what you’ve done for it. I’m still here, facing the reality ON THE GROUND, in MY life, unlike you and quite possibly your little “patriotic” colleague AIG. I had to feel Hezbollah rockets land not far from my home, not you! I had to explain to my daughters why women and children are screaming on the television set in Hebrew, not you! I had to teach my girls to run into an underground shelter when a deafening siren sounded, not you! And I had to see friends pacing up and down their homes, worrying sick about their 18 year-old children who were going to participate in a war of choice, where they’d be at a terrible disadvantage, and not be able to fight like anything they’ve ever learned, because of the nature of this idiotic conflict, not you!

So both you, and your AIG, can take your smart-ass comments, your knee-jerk labeling, your “either-with-us-or-against-us” attitude, your arrogance, your omniscience, and your disrespectful hateful words, and place them you know where. I’m not interested in hearing them anymore. When you’ve got nothing civilized to say, when you resort to labeling, to disrespecting people, to pretending they are idiots, and you are the wise one here, that’s when the conversation is over.

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November 12th, 2008, 6:42 pm

 

64. Qifa Nabki said:

I for one am not so troubled about Emmanuel’s father.

I agree with Why-Discuss and others that it would be better to have a “half-Israeli” dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict than an evangelical nutcase who knows nothing about the Middle East besides what Fox News tells him.

I also like the fact that he is known for knocking heads. We have many heads that need knocking.

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November 12th, 2008, 7:00 pm

 

65. Shai said:

QN,

What does Abbas say about Emanuel? 🙂

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November 12th, 2008, 7:12 pm

 

66. AIG said:

Shai,
Right, when you run out of arguments then you move to ad-hominem attacks. A typical argument of “progressives”.

But, let’s use your argument to show how ridiculous your position is. Who are you to lecture to the Israelis in Sderot and in the Gaza area about how to deal with Gaza? They are the ones mostly suffering from the rockets and there is a HUGE majority there for even a tougher blockade on Gaza. They do not understand why even some oil and electricity go through. So according to you, does that make them right? Or, are only “progressives” allowed to use such arguments? Oh, I forgot, you do not demand consistency of yourself, only of others. You do not require universal standards that apply to all, you have the right in each case to decide what standards to use. And then you expect to convince Israelis. Yeah, right.

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November 12th, 2008, 7:24 pm

 

67. Shai said:

AIG,

I move to ad-hominem attacks? Who is the one that calls anything and anyone that slightly disagrees with him antisemitic? Me? Who is the one that poses the most ridiculous precondition to peace in our region (democracy), which NO Israeli Prime Minister, Party leader, Knesset member, or local politician, has EVER agreed with? Me? And you call ME “reckless with Israeli lives”? Have you no shame?

By the way, humility is not a condom – you can use it more than once in your lifetime. You might want to try it. And also try to turn off the automatic-labeling machine every now and then, before it burns out on you.

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November 12th, 2008, 7:46 pm

 

68. AIG said:

Shai,

Yeah right, I call anyone who “slightly” disagrees with antisemite. Yes, you are “reckless with Israeli lives” if you are willing to let Hamas operate a seaport and import what it wants in Gaza. And 99% of Israelis living around Gaza would agree with me on this. Doesn’t that make me right according to what you wrote AP?

No Shai, humility is not a condom, but neither is panglossian optimism which is just another version of saying that you know what the future is going to be like and when examined is a very arrogant position.

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November 12th, 2008, 8:07 pm

 

69. Shai said:

AIG, Here’s the antisemite Olmert, holding Israel to too high a standard:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3622276,00.html

How many blacks work in the U.S. Central Bank? Did you say zero? How many in American electric companies? Did you say 1%?

AIG, let me spell it out for you a little slower, so that you might actually get it this time: Gaza in NOT yours. You CANNOT decide what happens there. It is not a part of Israel, Israelis have no right being there, and we cannot control what goes on inside places that are not ours. This is why despite the fact that we know what goes on in Iran, we don’t just wake up in the morning and attack it. This is why despite the fact that we can pinpoint WMD factories in certain nations around us, we do not blast them out of the sky. This is why, despite the fact that we know trucks and trucks full of weapons are driving up and down the Beirut-Damascus road, arming our archenemy Hezbollah, we do not send our F-15’s to go destroy them.

Hamas is not our only enemy in the region, and as we learn to live with the rest, so will we have to learn to live with Hamas. If Hamas uses the weapons it receives, we should hit it, and hit it far harder than we’ve done in the past 8 years. But if it doesn’t, we have no right collectively punishing 1.5 million people. I know you’re dying to see another Intifada flare up in the Territories, because then you’ll point to it and say “You see – they DON’T want peace – they never did!”, and I know you’re dying to see another major war in the Middle East, so you can watch it from your TV set in the U.S. (Ramat Hasharon…), but a few insane and reckless and unpatriotic liberals out there are actually trying to avoid that. I know you can’t stand that notion, and will do whatever you can to spoil such wishful dreams, but I can tell you one place where your efforts are worthless – right here. Your words-per-persuasion ratio is not too hot around this forum. Maybe you should visit some Neocon Democracy-First blogs, where some will actually agree with you. That way, you might get some support for your arguments, and be able to consider that you may be right.

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November 12th, 2008, 8:33 pm

 

70. Alex said:

AIG,

6 comments every 24 hours… not 6 in the morning, and 6 at night.

SC is not an AIG vs. everyone else blog.

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November 12th, 2008, 8:38 pm

 

71. Alex said:

Obama, David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel in Sep 2005

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November 12th, 2008, 9:23 pm

 

72. Alia said:

In primate studies this is called “dominance behavior”- you take away the smiling and laughing and you watch one man calling another short, funny looking, foul-mouthed, manipulative etc…; the other is cowering and finding that extremely funny, the rest are laughing including the wife.

Good thing there is no such a thing as anthropology. May be that is what Emmanuel senior was afraid of when he spoke of “cleaning the floors”. Obama just cleaned the floor with his son and the poor soul is laughing.

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November 13th, 2008, 12:05 am

 

73. Friend in America said:

I sent in my request. Thanks Alex and Offended.

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November 13th, 2008, 3:52 am

 

74. Friend in America said:

Alex – I am another who urges an ‘open letter’ would help immensely at this time. It is true Arab Americans are extremely quiet politically in America, but racism and ethnic hatred are issues all Americans will stand up against. So, try it. Send it to the New York Times, Washington Post and Chicago Tribune. At least 2 of the 3 will publish it. The other media will pick it up. Should Sami send it?

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November 13th, 2008, 4:04 am

 

75. Qifa Nabki said:

Shai

Abbas is unruffled. He expects nothing less of his formidable enemy.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if HA had a mole in the new administration too. 😉

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November 13th, 2008, 5:45 am

 

76. Shai said:

QN, isn’t he called “Rahmbo Hussein Emanuel”? 🙂

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November 13th, 2008, 6:02 am

 

77. Qifa Nabki said:

Shai, no I think his middle name is actually Israel. Literally. 🙂

Did anyone catch Nasrallah on TV the night before last? Man oh man did he lay into the Conference for Dialogue in New York. The onslaught focused on Israel’s presence at the conference, not Saudi Arabia’s. Nasrallah is far too savvy to say anything unkind about the hilarious spectacle of King Abdullah cautioning against religious intolerance, but it would have been nice.

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November 13th, 2008, 8:36 am

 

78. CWW said:

That quote is not anti-Arab. Emmanuel’s father is implying that Arab’s tend to be anti-Israel, while we can debate whether or not that is true, its not a racist thing to say. It’s simply a generalization.

More importantly though, neither Barack Obama nor Rahm Emmanuel ought to be held accountable for what Rahm Emmanuel’s father says. Obama and Emmanuel are public officials, Emmanuel’s father is not.

Thirdly, the religion or ethnic background of Rahm Emmanuel should not be an issue. We should not make an issue out of Obama’s race and we ought not make an issue about Emmanuel’s religion.

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November 13th, 2008, 8:57 am

 

79. Akbar Palace said:

The Left has NOT “been fighting Israeli policy for the past 4 decades” – it has been PART of that policy, incase you haven’t noticed.

Shai,

You are on the Left and you have been “fighting Israeli policy”. Rashid Khalidi is on the Left and he has been fighting Israeli policy. Code Pink, Chomsky, Finklestein, Jimmy Carter, Robert Malley, Said, Streisand, Daily-Kos, Indymedia, B’tzelem, Peace Now, Meretz, and the Arab MKs are on the Left and they have been fighting Israel policy as well.

The only Leftists who are NOT “fighting Israeli policy” are those who are currently working in the White House. I sense a pattern here!;)

I’m still here, facing the reality ON THE GROUND, in MY life, unlike you and quite possibly your little “patriotic” colleague AIG.

Shai,

I respect that. I respect your opinions, and I appreciate our dialogue. I hope you respect my opinions as well. I just think you are (a little/ a lot?) misguided.

I had to feel Hezbollah rockets land not far from my home, not you! I had to explain to my daughters why women and children are screaming on the television set in Hebrew, not you! I had to teach my girls to run into an underground shelter when a deafening siren sounded, not you! And I had to see friends pacing up and down their homes, worrying sick about their 18 year-old children who were going to participate in a war of choice, where they’d be at a terrible disadvantage, and not be able to fight like anything they’ve ever learned, because of the nature of this idiotic conflict, not you!

Again, I can’t fault you for anything. If it is not too personal, instead of spending a lot of time countering Israelis who live in the US, right-wing clueless American Jews, and Syrian government excuse-makers here on the World Wide Web, what else are you doing to forward your approach in Israel? Are you and your “pro-peace” friends planning to meet with officials from Hamas and Hezbollah? Are you participating with other pro-peace organizations like “Peace Now”, etc to help dialogue with Hamas and Hezbollah?

So both you, and your AIG, can take your smart-ass comments, your knee-jerk labeling, your “either-with-us-or-against-us” attitude, your arrogance, your omniscience, and your disrespectful hateful words, and place them you know where. I’m not interested in hearing them anymore. When you’ve got nothing civilized to say, when you resort to labeling, to disrespecting people, to pretending they are idiots, and you are the wise one here, that’s when the conversation is over.

Can you point out what I said that was “hateful” and “uncivilized”? I will be more than happy to apologize for them. You see, unlike rude Israelis, I never find it difficult to apologize. I’m lucky;)

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November 13th, 2008, 12:22 pm

 

80. Alia said:

AP,

Please clarify this for me : What do you mean that the left in Israel is fighting Israeli policy. Isn’t the left a part of the “democratic process” everywhere or is it in Israel as in the U.S., if you are liberal, leftist, socialist or anything other than religious right wing then you are unpatriotic?

OTW,

I know I said I am not going to speak about Israel…

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November 13th, 2008, 1:07 pm

 

81. Off the Wall said:

Dear Alia
It is OK dear, do not lose sleep over it 🙂
The Israeli Arab conflict is the elephant in the room, non of us can escape it. I was just pointing to the way any discussion here gets highjacked into a discussion of Israel’s internal politics. Although I find that discussion very informative as it points to the contrast between what Israel can become (Shai, Rumyal) and what it is now (AP), and what the right wants it to be (AIG). So please do not take me very litterally.

BTW
Does anyone here have a copy of the OXFORD business group report on Syria. They have issued their first report in 2002 and it has been updated in 2007. The book costs 130 pounds. I will check in my university library first. If it is not there, I will recommend it to our center for middle eastern studies and will most likely order a copy for myslef after checking my own literacy budget 🙂 . Overall, it is a worth reading book espacially for those interested in Syria and its economy. Outlines of the chapters are available at

http://www.oxfordbusinessgroup.com/publication.asp?country=6

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November 13th, 2008, 3:21 pm

 

82. Akbar Palace said:

Alia said:

AP,

Please clarify this for me : What do you mean that the left in Israel is fighting Israeli policy. Isn’t the left a part of the “democratic process” everywhere or is it in Israel as in the U.S., if you are liberal, leftist, socialist or anything other than religious right wing then you are unpatriotic?

I define Left as a group of people who are more interested in making peace with our enemies than defending ourselves from them, especially when our enemies (like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran) do not recognize our state and our independence.

By “fighting Israeli policy” and am mostly referring to demonstrations and other forms of civil disobediance: (examples)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1201070796328

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/6858

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125464

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1161811237438&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Yes, Leftists (as well as Rightists and Centrists) are all permitted (and encouraged) to demonstrate, as we all have “freedom of speech” and “freedom of assembly”. The assumption is that all Israeli, American and Syrian citizens probably believe themselves to be patriotic;)

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November 13th, 2008, 4:13 pm

 

83. Alia said:

A.P.

You are contradicting yourself, they are encouraged to demonstrate but they are considered unpatriotic and their discourse is not included in the democratic discourse..a new defintion of democracy?

And why is it that every time one of us speaks of Israel you immediately try to include Syria and or Syrians ? That is poor.

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November 13th, 2008, 4:26 pm

 

84. Akbar Palace said:

Alia said:

You are contradicting yourself, they are encouraged to demonstrate but they are considered unpatriotic and their discourse is not included in the democratic discourse..a new defintion of democracy?

Why is demonstrating “unpatriotic”? In a democracy, disagreement is encouraged in order to better serve and improve the country and the nation. Of course, we are free as individuals to determine who is “patriotic” and who isn’t, but, in a democracy, we never let the government make that decision. All the government needs to do is protect us and carry out the LAW. In a democracy we can demonstrate and say “The Government Sucks”, however, if we hurt someone or cause a major disturbance to the civilian population in the process of demonstrating, that would different.

This is not a new definition. The US is 232 years old and Israel is 60.

And why is it that every time one of us speaks of Israel you immediately try to include Syria and or Syrians ? That is poor.

Tell us what you would prefer and WHY: An American/Dutch/Italian/Israeli-style democracy or a Syrian-style autocracy.

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November 13th, 2008, 4:49 pm

 

85. Alia said:

A.P.

It is you who are intimating that they are not patriotic by defining the left as:”I define Left as a group of people who are more interested in making peace with our enemies” what kind of democratic system is this? When Mitterand took power with all the left in France was the President unpatriotic and making peace with the ennemies?

I am an American and support U.S. democracy fully. I am also a Syrian patriot, and a few other things too- Black and white is not my view of the world, I do not need it to function. Please do not project your views on me.

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November 13th, 2008, 5:07 pm

 

86. Akbar Palace said:

I am an American and support U.S. democracy fully. I am also a Syrian patriot, and a few other things too- Black and white is not my view of the world, I do not need it to function. Please do not project your views on me.

Alia,

Thank you for your response. Here’s a point to ponder:

As an American, you are free to demonstrate in support of Syria right here in the US. Anytime, anywhere. True?

As a Syrian Patriot, are you permitted to demonstrate in support for the USA (in Syria)?

Perhaps you can comment on this. Do you prefer freedom of speech, or do you prefer the more stable and more restrictive situation in Syria (referring to my question in my previous post)?

Anyway, I fear I’m coming close to my limit for the day (some Jews are only allowed to post 6 times a day here;), so I eagerly await your response and I’ll end my thread here.

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November 13th, 2008, 5:35 pm

 

87. Alex said:

Dear Akbar,

“Some Jews are only allowed to post 6 times a day”?

Are you trying to portray yourself as a civilized man/woman among a group of backward Syrian apes again?

If you want to rise above the rest, you will need to rely on the power of your logic, not on these silly tricks.

Can you remind me when YOU were asked to limit your number of comments?

By the way, in Damascus Obama t-Shirts are outselling Nasrallah T-shirts these days.. go check for yourself.

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November 13th, 2008, 6:13 pm

 

88. Akbar Palace said:

By the way, in Damascus Obama t-Shirts are outselling Nasrallah T-shirts these days.. go check for yourself.

Alex –

Can you get me a t-shirt of Assad? I’ll wear it every time I go to the JCC and I’ll let you know if I get any comments on it!

Are you trying to portray yourself as a civilized man/woman among a group of backward Syrian apes again?

I’m trying, but it isn’t easy! Actually, I was overcome by this feeling to help AIG. I felt he needed a little support from one of his own tribes-persons.

“Man/Woman”?

Speaking for myself, no one is a backward ape here.

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November 13th, 2008, 6:25 pm

 

89. Findalaawi said:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Emanuel_apologizes_for_fathers_remar\
ks.html

November 13, 2008
Emanuel apologizes for father’s remarks

Obama’s incoming chief-of-staff, Rahm Emanuel, apologized to an Arab-American
group for his father’s line when asked about his loyalties: “What is he, an
Arab?”

“Today, Rep. Emanuel called Mary Rose Oakar, president of the American-Arab
Anti-Discrimination Committee, apologized on behalf of his family and offered to
meet with representatives of the Arab-American community at an appropriate time
in the future,” said an Emanuel spokesman, Nick Papas.

The committee had written Emanuel demanding that he repudiate the remark, which
could be read either as a slur against Arabs (it was followed by “He’s not going
to be mopping floors at the White House”) or simply as a statement of the son’s
loyalty to Israel, where his father lives.

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November 13th, 2008, 9:44 pm

 

90. Alex said:

Alia

It seems I won’t have to write that open letter : )

Emanuel did the right thing. I’m impressed.

Emanuel Apologizes for Father’s ‘Arab’ Comments
By Sarah Wheaton

Representative Rahm Emanuel, President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff, called the president of an Arab-American group today to apologize for comments his father made to an Israeli newspaper.

In the remarks, Benjamin Emanuel discussed the potential impact of his son’s new position on U.S.-Israeli relations.

“Obviously he’ll influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn’t he? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to be mopping floors at the White House,” the elder Mr. Emanuel told the Israeli daily Ma’ariv, according to English-language reports in The Jerusalem Post and The Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

Calling the comment an “unacceptable smear,” the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee had sent the younger Emanuel a letter (copied to Mr. Obama) calling on him to “disavow and repudiate these remarks publicly.”

“All we ask is to be treated in the same way as any other ethnic, racial or minority group,” said Kareem Shora, the A.D.C.’s executive director. “We’re not treating it as simply an Arab-American issue, we’re trying to treat it as an American issue.”

That led to Rahm Emanuel’s apology today.

“Today, Representative Emanuel called Mary Rose Oakar, president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, apologized on behalf of his family and offered to meet with representatives of the Arab-American community at an appropriate time in the future,” said Nick Papas, a spokesman for the congressman.

Before Mr. Emanuel made his apology, Mr. Shora said the structure of the elder Mr. Emanuel’s remarks made their meaning clear. “The sequence of the statement was very important,” he said, adding that the ‘Arab’ line “was not separated in any way” from the ‘mopping’ line. He said there would be public outcry if “Arab” had been replaced with the name of any other ethnic group.

Benjamin Emanuel is not yet available for comment, according to an associate at the office of Ari Emanuel, a Hollywood agent and the congressman’s brother, to whom a message on the father’s answering machine referred press calls. Mr. Obama’s campaign declined to address the issue.

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November 13th, 2008, 11:40 pm

 

91. Alia said:

Alex,

Did you see the little twist that Time magazine had on this ?

http://tiny.cc/eRvwl

It seems there was some deliberation on the topic between the initial response and the addendum …

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November 14th, 2008, 1:33 am

 

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