Clinton Effort to Create Syrian Government in Exile Collapses

Shortly before the Doha effort to put together a Syrian government in exile collapsed, Ambassador Ford, the State Department’s ambassador to the Syrian opposition, inisted to exiles that Syrians must find a “political solution and not a military solution to their problem.” He reportedly told Syrian Opposition leaders that the international community will not create a “no fly zone” over Syria and that it will not support the Free Syrian Army militarily.” “There is no military solution to the Syrian problem,” he insisted. There is only a political solution.” This is what the Engineer Muti’a al-Batiin  مطيع البطين reports on his Face book page.

there will be no  لن يكون هنالك دعم عسكري ولن يكون هنالك حظر جوي ثم يقول:الصراحة راحة

Syrian opposition plans fall apart
Syria opposition on Wednesday night scuppered a Western-backed initiative to relaunch the movement with a broad-based and domestically focused leadership after the man lined up as its figurehead withdrew.
Syrian opposition plans fall apart
Riad Seif withdrew after he lost his seat in the executive council of the main opposition, SNC Photo: Karim Jaafar/AFP
By Ruth Sherlock in Doha, 07 Nov 2012

Key opposition factions with strong followings inside the country pulled out of the plan, which was due to be presented at a conference in Doha, Qatar, today.

Three of the dissident bodies seen as integral to the US-backed initiative said yesterday that they had refused to attend, diplomats and opposition figures told The Daily Telegraph.

“There are too many people against this initiative for it to work now,” said a Western diplomatic source in Doha.

The setback came as Turkey said it was in talks to deploy Nato-controlled Patriot missiles on its border with Syria to ward off the regime’s cross-border threat.

Ahmet Davutoglu, the Turkish foreign minister, said Nato had a responsibility to protect all member states from external attack, including Turkey.

Riad Seif, the Syria dissident who had championed the movement and was set to emerge as one of the new leaders, withdrew after he lost his seat in the executive council of the main opposition, the Syrian National Council (SNC).

Furious at being publicly side-lined by the conference, the SNC voted against the proposal at its separate convention.

Representatives from the National Coordinating Committee, the Syrian democratic platform, and the Kurdish ethnic minority had rejected the plan.

The plan’s failure is a blow to Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, who had announced it a week ago, and to Britain, which had strongly favoured it.

“The components that were not in the SNC are not coming. The idea of a bigger coalition initiative has failed,” said Jamal al-Wa’ard, a military representative on the SNC. The proposal, which was widely known as the “Seif-Ford” initiative, after Robert Ford, the US special envoy to Syria and Mr Seif, has lost ground amid resentment at foreign efforts to impose a solution on Syrians.

“Everyone feels that this initiative is imposed. They’ve weaved the cloth, but now there is no one to wear it,” said Ahmed Zaidan, the deputy head of the Revolutionary Council, a body that coordinates with armed groups inside Syria.

In a meeting held late last night, SNC members reportedly interrogated Mr Seif on the initiative, and the list of names proposed to lead it. “We asked him why some of the names were on the list and he said he didn’t know. The West pushed this on him. How can you endorse a plan when you can’t defend it?” said an SNC member who had been at the meetings.

The opposition meeting will go ahead, but any leadership body is likely to have a majority from the SNC, which has little influence on the ground. “It may secure more funding but [the conflict] is about winning the support of the street to regain control. And the street does not support them,” said a diplomatic source.

ABC News: Britain: Obama Victory an Opportunity for Syria
2012-11-07

Britain called on the U.S. and other allies Wednesday to do more to shape the Syrian opposition into a coherent force, saying the re-election of President Barack Obama is an opportunity for the world to take stronger action to end the deadlocked …

David Cameron vows to work with Obama to end Syria violence

Prime minister pledges £14m increase in humanitarian aid after visiting UN refugee camp in Jordan

Britain to organise armed Syrian rebels into efficient fighting force, 07 Nov 2012

Cameron tours Syrian refugee camp, 07 Nov 2012

Brookings: Defeatism Cannot Be Allowed to Overcome Syria |
2012-11-07

“Today our revolution enters its toughest stages and the cruelty of the regime against our people is proven limitless.” For all the issues that the Egyptian revolution has yet to resolve, Egyptians did not pen the above words. Representatives of …

AP

In Jordan, which also borders Syria, visiting Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met with Riad Hijab, the former Syrian prime minister who defected to Jordan in August. It was a rare high-level contact between Moscow and a Syrian opposition figure.

Lavrov said the talks were meant to get firsthand information from the Syrian opposition on how they view a solution to the civil war. “The idea of the meeting was to get an agreement or a roadmap on how to deal with opposition forces and save the Syrian people,” Lavrov told reporters.

Syrian defector says most bomber pilots grounded, DOHA, Qatar (AP) —

A former Syrian air force general who was also the country’s first astronaut said Tuesday that only about one-third of Syria’s fighter pilots are carrying out the daily bombing raids of rebel strongholds because President Bashar Assad’s regime cannot count on the loyalty of the rest.

http://www.facebook.com/bassam.alkhouri

Bassam Al-Khouri wrote on his Face book:

الصفحة الرسمية للمهندس مطيع البطين

في لقاء أمس مع فورد السفير الامريكي هو ومساعدة وزيرة الخارجية الامريكية كانا يتحدثان معنا عن الهيئه الجديدة المنتظر ولادتها،سألنهم ماهو الذي ستقدمه أمريكا للشعب السوري بعد ذلك ؟ فصار يتحدث عن المساعدات الاغاثية،وعندما تكلمنا عن دعم الجيش الحر من المجتمع الدولي فقال لن يكون هنالك دعم عسكري ولن يكون هنالك حظر جوي ثم يقول:الصراحة راحة…
وعند الكلام عن سقف مطالبنا قال: معنى هذا أنكم مرتهنون بقرار الشارع عندكم ..قلنا له فكيف نكون معارضة تمثل الشعب إن لم نتبن مطالب شعبنا فقال :أنتم لازم أن تؤثروا على الشعب حتى يخفض سقف مطالبه.وقال ايضاً: الحل لن يكون عسكريا في سوريا لا يوجد إلا حل سياسي.
لم يكن اللقاء الا موضحا لموقف لا يبالي بدم الشعب السوري والحقيقة التي يقرؤها أي متأمل هنا وعن دعوات هؤلاء لتوحيد المعارضة ماهي الا شماعة لتعليق وتبرير مواقف هذه الدول المناقضة لكل فضيلة
إن شعبنا في سوريا داخلا وخارجا عليه أن يعتمد أولاً على الله ثم يسعى الصادقون والمخلصون لتوحيد جهودهم والثبات حتى يأتي الله بالنصر والفرج.
بالمختصر الدعوة للتوحيد بما فيها الهيئة المنتظرة أمر محمود لكن لا يريد منه هؤلاء إلا تقطيع الوقت وانتظار أن ينهك الشعب السوري حتى يضطر للقبول بأي حل يطرح فيما بعد لانعرف مالحد الذي يمكن أن تصل اليه الأمور عند هؤلاء..

أحببت أن أكتب هذا صراحة حتى يكون شعبنا وإخوتنا على بصيرة وعلم ومعرفة فيما يجري وما يعد

After quiet revolt, power struggle looms for Syria’s Kurds
Wed, Nov 07, By Patrick Markey

DERIK, Syria (Reuters) – In the northeast corner of Syria a power struggle is developing over the promise of oil riches in the remote Kurdish region, threatening to drag Kurdish rivals, Arab rebels and Turkey into a messy new front in an already complex civil war.

Quietly and with little of the bloodshed seen elsewhere in Syria’s 19-month popular revolt against President Bashar al-Assad, the Kurdish minority is grabbing the chance to secure self-rule and the rights denied them for decades.

With Syrian forces and Arab rebels entangled in fighting to their west, a Syrian Kurdish party tied to Turkish Kurd separatists has exploited a vacuum to start Kurdish schools, cultural centers, police stations and armed militias.

But the growing influence of the Democratic Union Party (PYD) is concerning not only Turkey, which is worried that border areas will become a foothold for Turkish Kurd PKK rebels, but also Syrian Arab fighters who see the Kurdish militias as a threat.

At the PYD’s office in the Syrian Kurdish town of Derik, where walls bear a portrait of Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Ocalan and pictures of members the party says were killed by the Assad regime, the mood is defiant.

“We have our rights, we have our land. We are not refugees here and we will protect ourselves,” said PYD activist Mohammed Said. “We cannot accept any force from outside coming here.”

Along Syria’s border with Iraq, Kurdish militants in jeans and armed with Kalashnikov rifles now guard a frontier post where Assad’s army once patrolled the sparse hillsides dotted with now lifeless oil pumps.

In a classroom in nearby Derik, teenage girls practice reading their own Kurdish language, banned in schools until a few months ago, and Syrian Kurdish leaders express ideological loyalty to Ocalan who is jailed in Turkey.

Under Assad’s rule and his father’s before him, Syrian Kurds were forbidden to learn their language or even to hold Syrian identity and often forced from their land, while their activists were targeted by Syrian intelligence agents.

But after Assad’s forces pulled out from the Kurdish region to fight elsewhere six months ago the PYD and its allied People’s Defense Units or YPG militia began to claim control of towns up against the Turkish border – Derik, Efrin, Kobane and Amuda.

In Derik, a town of 70,000 sitting amid parched fields, daily life appears normal apart from long lines of people waiting for cooking gas.

Kurdish militia forces man improvised checkpoints made of boulders and tires. Committees run a Kurdish court and services such as fuel deliveries. At the city’s one open school, Syria’s Kurmanji Kurdish dialect is openly taught.

“We could never say we were Kurdish before,” said Palashin Omar, 18, in the classroom running through grammar drills. “We were never respected before now.”

But there is also a clear co-existence with the Syrian state.

The Syrian army maintains its own checkpoint unmolested. The PYD party office is 100 meters from the Syrian intelligence agency office and Assad’s Baath party headquarters where portraits of Assad are still on the wall.

PYD activists say they allow a limited government presence for now so they can receive gasoline from Damascus, and that government forces just stay where they are, unable to act.

But suspicions have sharpened dangerous splits with other Syrian Kurdish parties who believe Assad allowed the PYD to consolidate its power and flout an agreement brokered with the smaller Kurdish National Council, or KNC alliance.

“We can say the Kurdish region is liberated once the Syrian army cannot reach it,” KNC leader Abdul Hakim Bashar told Reuters. “Right now there is not a single place they couldn’t reach if they wanted.”

KURDISH SELF-RULE….

…. “This area will be just like Kirkuk,” said one Syrian activist in Derik pointing to the oil derricks just outside the city. “Everyone will come to fight for this.”

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51. Albo said:

20. TARA said:

“Ali,

May I ask where do you really stand? You made your views in regard to the armed struggle clear but missed to elaborate on your feelings in regard to the criminal behavior of Batta and company. Tell us how you feel in regard to the last 40 years of Syrians’ lives..”

You singled out others sects, but your hypocrisy can only go so far. Do you deny that plenty of Sunnis have happily collaborated with the regime for decades? That’s probably more people than the total of non-sunnis Syrians.

You couldn’t get rich in Syria without being cozy with officials, that’s a reality. And there always were lots of Sunni businessmen. And to my knowledge, it was never a secret that Sunnis owned all the Souqs in every big city, that means plenty of middle class shop owners. Now they want us all to believe that they were lifetime dissidents, but the reality is that they had it good and didn’t miss any opportunity to collaborate.

I don’t think you’re a bad person Tara, but sometimes your emotions are taking over, which is understandable, but you should reflect more on what you say from time to time. You have been calling for attacks on civilians repeatedly. I could tell you that it’s morally indefensible, but I’ll simply say:
If you think that it’s legitimate to do that, then other people will say that bombing rebel families is also legitimate. How can you still present the conflict as a revolution, and not a civil war then? That’s completely self-contradicting.

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November 8th, 2012, 6:23 am

 

52. Syrialover said:

TARA, hey, guess what, ALBO is breaking the news that some Sunnis collaborated with the regime and lived many years without dissenting.

AlBO, why are you now joining ALI in being patronizing and moralizing to TARA?

I’d argue from reading her that she’s at least your peer and knows as much as you do.

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November 8th, 2012, 6:43 am

 

53. Citizen said:

Assad to RT: ‘I’m not Western puppet – I have to live and die in Syria’
http://rt.com/news/assad-exclusive-interview-syria-240/

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November 8th, 2012, 6:53 am

 

54. Sheila said:

Dear Ali,
There is a big difference between blindly supporting one side and taking a stand. I take a firm stand with the people of Syria and the FSA. I realize that there are problems, but I also understand that there is no practical way to solve these problems at the current time and under the prevailing circumstances. The train wreck to “Somalia” will not be stopped if we magically turn the FSA into the Swiss army. They are not the side that will effect matters on the ground. If you remove the FSA from the ground today, we all know what will happen. Especially those of us who lived through the eighty’s uprising. We all know what our regime is capable of. So if your goal is to stop the train wreck, you need to take a stand and work on removing the only side that can stop that, the regime.
I do not condone violence. I am against stereotyping and criminalizing of the entire Alawi population for the crimes of some (or even many). If there is one Alawi standing against the regime (and we know there are many), then in my book, you can not condemn the entire group.
I understand that the conflict in Syria can be classified as a civil war, but in my book it a prolonged revolution.
I also am thankful to those young men who are coming from other parts of the world and risking their lives to help us topple our dictator. They are putting their words into action while the rest of the world sits back and watches our kids torn to pieces by TNT barrels. I am a liberal person and do not believe in the mixing of religion and state, especially in Syria. It is not a homogeneous society. We need the right person for the job regardless. I thing that Syria will go through the Islamized period due to the state that we have reached, but that period will not last for too long.

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November 8th, 2012, 7:06 am

 
 

56. Sami said:

This is what the daughter of someone slain by the regime recently wrote on her Facebook:

سلام عليك يا دمشق … سلام عليك يا سوريا . سيعم السلام علينا قريبا . قريبا جداً . استعدوا للحب ، استعدوا البناء ، استعدوا للمسامحة ، استعدوا للصلح . سلام عليك يا من قتلت أبي ، لأنك ستأتي لتقبل التراب اللتي فوقه . شكرًا لك على هذه الهدية ! اهديته هدية لم يحلم بها. اهديته الشهادة ، اهديته البطولة ، اهديته حب الناس . سلام عليك يا من قتل روحه الطاهرة . الحرية عل باب ! افتحولا البواب و

استقبلوا بالورود ….

A lesson in forgiveness and love….necessary ingredients for our future Syria. It is inspiring!

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November 8th, 2012, 7:25 am

 

57. Warren said:

Syrian rebels root for Romney in hopes of US military intervention

Desperate for foreign intervention, some rebels say they hope the party that brought on the Iraq war might also bring America to Syria.

Seldom do you find Arabs anywhere in the Middle East who have warm feelings about America’s most recent war with Iraq, especially in Syria where many people were actively involved in supporting the Iraqi insurgency.

Yet as Syria’s upheaval nears the two-year mark, many of those who are increasingly desperate for a foreign intervention to end the conflict now reference Iraq as a seemingly positive example of why America might decide to help. With an eye on the US elections, they say they hope the party that brought them the Iraq war might also bring America to Syria.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1105/Syrian-rebels-root-for-Romney-in-hopes-of-US-military-intervention
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Romney won’t be coming to the rescue of the Fundamentalist Sunni Army now, lol

Typical Tayyiqqa Sunnis, the liberation of Iraq is a “crime” yet these same Sunnis want the United States’ help to liberate Syria from another Baathist dictator? lol

Can anyone take these clowns seriously? lol

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November 8th, 2012, 7:26 am

 

58. Warren said:

Damascus Demonstration: To Hell with Freedom, We Want an Islamic Caliphate and Weapons

http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3632.htm

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So much for democracy, freedom and equality.

As I have always said, the Sunni insurgency has one agenda, one objective: establishing a Sunni dominated dictatorship!

In words and in deeds, its clear for all to see!

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November 8th, 2012, 7:33 am

 

59. Warren said:

Islamists Set ‘Million-Man’ March To Defend Shariah Law in Egypt

Islamist forces have decided to organize a million-man march on Friday [Nov. 9] to defend Islamic Shariah law.

The call for the march, which would start from several mosques in Cairo and other provinces, was made following a meeting of representatives from Islamist forces yesterday [Nov. 6]. The meeting was attended by the Building and Development Party alongside a variety of movements, including Samidoun, Students of Shariah, Hazimoun, Together to Support Shariah and the Bearded Officers coalitions.

Participants in the meeting said that the march is calling on the Muslim Brotherhood to return to God, “after the group were sidetracked in the application of God’s Shariah,” according to Hazem Khater, spokesman of the million-man march. He said that Islamist forces agreed to deliver a strong message to the Brotherhood, adding that “we call on the Brotherhood to return to God, because you are the ones most affected by the non-application of Islamic Shariah law.” The march’s organizers have decided to call on the Brotherhood to once again participate in the million-man march.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2012/10/egyptians-march-for-shariah.html#ixzz2BdNvBDw7

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No doubt something Syria can look forward too in the future, if the FSA putsch succeeds.

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November 8th, 2012, 7:40 am

 

60. Albo said:

52. SYRIALOVER said:

“TARA, hey, guess what,…”

Excellent that you’re here, Mr Sanctimonious, because you have exposed yourself once more in the last page:

“That was true of Visitor in his response to you in the previous thread. But you just went on and on pushing his pro-FSA buttons (which are good buttons and I have them myself) until he lost his cool then you started insulting him.”

“There’s no excuse, because VISITOR took the time to give detailed and reasonable answers to your questions on the FSA, which you seem to have ignored”

And here’s what visitor’s responses, detailed and reasonable answer boil down to:

—–> “I strongly second Amjad of Arabia in a comment he made in a previous thread when he stated that our Saudi, Pakistani and other fighters who came to join the revolution will be rewarded afterwards by the Syrians by housing them in the best seaside mansions in Qurdaha once we get rid of the abominable regime currently occupying Syria.”

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Give us a fuckng break, Syrialover. You moral posturing is 100% fake, you are just a small sectarian revengist. At least with Visitor we know what we’re dealing with, he has cut the crap and that’s something that is to be appreciated. You on the other hand like to pose as some humanitarianist. It appears you’re completely full of it, and I’ll gladly remind any newcomer about you true self whenever you claim some moral superiority, or constructive attitude, with your usual straight face no less.

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November 8th, 2012, 7:42 am

 

61. Warren said:

Report: Turkey and Iran leaders hold unannounced talks on Syria

Turkish PM Erdogan and Iranian President Ahmadinejad began their conversation on the sidelines of a conference in Bali.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for an unannounced talk on the sidelines of the Democracy Forum in Bali on Thursday, the Turkish daily Hurriyet reported.

The two had not been expected to hold any talks over the course of the conference.

The two leaders began talking on their way to dinner, continuing their conversation at the table, according to the daily. The conversation centered around the crisis in Syria, the report said.

Erdogan earlier this week sharply criticized the UN Security Council for its failure to agree on decisive steps to end the 19-month civil war in Syria.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-and-iran-leaders-hold-unannounced-talks-on-syria-1.476177

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November 8th, 2012, 7:46 am

 

62. Warren said:

Assad Vows To ‘Live And Die’ In Syria

Syrian President Bashar al Assad has told Russian TV he will “live and die in Syria”.

Earlier this week, Britain’s Prime Minister David Cameron suggested that Mr Assad could be allowed safe passage out of the country if it would guarantee an end to the nation’s civil war.

But appearing on the Russian Arabic-language channel Rusiya al Yaum, Mr Assad said he was not a puppet of the West. “I am Syrian, made in Syria, and I will live and die in Syria,” he said.

“I think that the cost of a foreign invasion of Syria – if it happens – would be bigger than the entire world can bear … this will have a domino effect that will affect the world from the Atlantic to the Pacific,” he said.

“I do not believe the West is heading in this direction, but if they do, nobody can tell what will happen afterwards,” he said.

http://news.sky.com/story/1008707/assad-vows-to-live-and-die-in-syria

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November 8th, 2012, 7:52 am

 

63. Warren said:

Beleaguered Syrian Christians Face Growing Threat From Jihadists

Amid the ongoing Syrian civil war, Syria’s Christian community has come under growing threat as foreign jihadists and Muslim radicals increasingly play a role in the rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad.

The Syrian Christians, who comprise 10 percent of the population, have been put into a difficult situation by the conflict. On one hand, many support the rebellion against the ruthless Assad. At the same time, however, under Assad they were a protected minority. Many Christians fear that if Assad is overthrown and replaced by Islamists, they will face greater persecution. Signs of that are already beginning to appear.

“They wanted to kill us because we were Christians. They were calling us Kaffirs [infidels], even little children saying these things. Those who were our neighbours turned against us,” said one Syrian Christian to the UK’s Independent.

Syrian Christian religious leaders blame recent influx of Islamic radicals. Responsibility for the attacks lay with “an influx of jihadists in the rebels in the last six, seven months,” Archbishop Issam John Darwish said.

Another prominent and widely respected Arab Christian leader, Mother Agner-Mariam, claims that many of the jihadists are affiliated with al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and are veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq. And now, “their cause is being recycled to kill Syrians,” she said.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/05/beleaguered-syrian-christians-face-growing-threat-from-jihadists/

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November 8th, 2012, 7:55 am

 

64. Warren said:

Jihadists’ Rise in Syria Complicates Options for Israel and the West

As the conflict in Syria continues to escalate, there are growing fears of an increasing radical jihadist role in the rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad’s government—complicating options for the West and presenting new threats for Israel.

Syria’s beleaguered Christian community, which comprises 10 percent of the population, is witnessing the growth of radical jihadists firsthand.

“They wanted to kill us because we were Christians. They were calling us Kaffirs [infidels], even little children saying these things. Those who were our neighbours turned against us,” one Syrian Christian told the UK’s Independent.

Syrian Christian religious leaders blame recent influx of Islamic radicals. Responsibility for the attacks lay with “an influx of jihadists in the rebels in the last six, seven months,” Archbishop Issam John Darwish said.

Another prominent and widely respected Arab Christian leader, Mother Agner-Mariam, claims that many of the jihadists are affiliated with al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and are veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq. And now, “their cause is being recycled to kill Syrians,” she said.

But Syrian Christians are not the only ones detecting the rising tide of Islamists in Syria.

Jackson Diehl, in a recent column in the Washington Post, pointed out that as the Syrian conflict drags on, “the more likely it is that what began as a peaceful mass opposition movement would be hijacked by extremists, including allies of al-Qaeda.”

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/08/jihadists%E2%80%99-rise-in-syria-complicates-options-for-israel-and-the-west/

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November 8th, 2012, 7:57 am

 

65. Warren said:

US anti-Islam filmmaker Nakoula Basseley Nakoula jailed

A US man behind an anti-Muslim film that led to mass protests in the Middle East has been sentenced to a year in jail for probation violations.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula was sentenced by a judge in California after admitting four violations which stem from a 2010 conviction for fraud.

None of the charges was connected with the content of the controversial film, Innocence of Muslims.

Dozens of people died in the Middle East in protests over the film.

US District Judge Christina Snyder said Nakoula, 55, must spend 12 months in prison followed by four years of supervised release.

Prosecutors had been seeking a two-year sentence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20247187

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November 8th, 2012, 8:06 am

 

66. Mina said:

News from La-La-Land:

-As soon as Batta/Bashar gets on the plane with his mother, brother and dudes, no local warlord will decide to fight it “till victory” in an attempt to imitate Ratko Mladic;

-Syria will be ruled by the Islamists “for a short while” but they will vanish into the opium smoke of their dreams before the country gets into a new Iran or alternative model, Somalia.

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November 8th, 2012, 9:11 am

 

67. Warren said:

Three Qaida suspects killed in Yemen drone strike

A drone strike near the Yemeni capital killed three suspected Al-Qaeda members including a militant wanted for a deadly attack on the US embassy in Sanaa, security officials said on Thursday.

They said the drone strike, believed to have been carried out by the United States, targeted a car near the village of Beit al-Ahmar in the Sanhan region, 15 kilometres (nine miles) southeast of Sanaa.

Three people were killed and two wounded, they said.

Among the dead was Adnan al-Qadhi, a former jihadist fighter in Afghanistan and al-Qaida member wanted for a 2008 car bomb attack on the US embassy that killed six Yemeni soldiers and four civilians.

US drones deployed in the region have backed Yemeni forces in combating militants of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, the group’s Yemen branch, considered by Washington to be the most active and deadly.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Three-Qaida-suspects-killed-in-Yemen-drone-strike/articleshow/17142012.cms

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Obama doesn’t waste anytime! Al Qaeda remains a clear and present danger to the United States. These extremists need to be exterminated.

It won’t be long before these drones are deployed to Libya & then Syria.

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November 8th, 2012, 9:17 am

 

68. Warren said:

Salafis storm church property

The diocesan headquarters of the Coptic church in Shubra Al-Kheima was stormed by Salafis on Monday after afternoon prayers. The group raised a banner reading “Rahma Mosque” and remained on the premises until prayers at dawn, when the Interior Ministry intervened and removed the group.

The Salafis took over an area of the diocese headquarters used for services, that had been governmentally licensed, and claimed it as a Muslim place of worship, said Bishop Morcos of Shubra in a telephone interview on Al-Tahrir channel. “We want to know what the government will do.”

“They claimed that the land is owned by a Muslim, despite the issuance of permits for the service building of the church,” said the Maspero Youth Union (MYU) in a statement.

“As a party and coalition refuse any assaults, because they provoke sectarian strife,” said Amir Boshra, a member of the Free Egyptians Party (FEP) and the MYU. “We don’t want things to escalate, but there are Muslims and Christians and parties who are against this situation, and will resolve it by force if necessary.”

http://dailynewsegypt.com/2012/11/06/salafis-storm-church-property/

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Sunnis doing what they always do: persecute people who differ from them. This is what awaits Syria; if the Sunni insurgency is not quashed.

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November 8th, 2012, 9:28 am

 

69. Albo said:

Mina

Indeed, the country ain’t disintegrating we’re told, that’s just rebel groups fighting each others, kurds against rebels, palestinian against palestinians, warlords in every corner of Syria, thugs abducting all sorts of folks, islamist crazies beheading at will…nothing to worry about, the regime is bad so everything is excused, right?

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November 8th, 2012, 9:45 am

 

70. Visitor said:

Ali and the 40 thieves @40!!

(What a coincindence?)

Said,

“Now, in case you still wondering why you have not won the majority of Syrians, just look at the mirror and open your mouth.”

The only thing I am wondering about is whether the Revolution would need any Johny Come Latelies to lecture it from above about so-called jihadists.

And you seem quite disturbed by my success in busting your whole mission on this forum by dashing in to talk about nothing but so-called jihadists while offering snake’s tears over fake concerns to human lives.

Yes those non-Syrians who joined the Revolution are first our brothers in faith, and secondly our brothers in the Revolution. And we will reward them afterwards as I mentioned. Thanks Amjad. How cool?

But honestly, I am really amazed at your saviour-ability skills. Wow, you must be born with the gift. Man, you wanted first to save Syria from itself and now you just switched to a psychoanalytical mode trying to save ‘troubled’ souls. You must be DA MAN!

But after second thoughts I kind of figured that Johny Come Latelies are not needed in this greatest of all Revolutions. They will simply turn into barking dogs behind a marching caravan.

How is that for psychoanalysis?

Find a mirror quickly and watch out for a protruding long nose.

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November 8th, 2012, 10:04 am

 

71. Visitor said:

What does our Goofy Palestinian on this forum have to say about this?

http://www.aljazeera.net/humanrights/pages/dc5a31d3-d299-4072-9b6d-e31424bf7548?GoogleStatID=1

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November 8th, 2012, 11:54 am

 

72. Syrialover said:

There’s the sensationalist, lightweight, Assad version of the Jihadist issue: ALBO/ALI/WARREN

and there’s the intelligent, realistic, well-informed one: http://qunfuz.com/2012/11/01/the-revolution-becomes-more-islamist/#more-2025).

Take your pick.

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November 8th, 2012, 12:36 pm

 

73. Syrialover said:

SAMI #56 (Son of Damascus)

Very moving and inspiring.

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November 8th, 2012, 12:48 pm

 

74. Albo said:

While some continue to dream of their dystopian future with Talebans and other jihadists, dancing Gagnam Style on Syrian beaches with burqa-ed women under the watch of western drones, back to reality:

http://blog.lefigaro.fr/malbrunot/2012/11/syrie-londres-nexclut-pas-une.html

I missed that one while we focused on Cameron’s other statements, John Wilks the guy in charge of Syria in the Foreign Office warned the opposition about the increasing likelihood of a rebel defeat. He compared them to the insurgents of the failed iraqi uprising.

He is perfectly fluent in Arabic and knows Syria very well, (plus has complete access to British intelligence reports, might I add). He is blaming their divisions, the anarchy in the country and the absence of a political program. It is reported that a few days ago, he asked them to “stop demanding a external intervention over and over, there won’t be any, we made that clear time and time again”.

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November 8th, 2012, 12:48 pm

 

75. SANDRO LOEWE said:

I hope Mr. Riad Seif keeps on fighting for a wide majority to accept a plan in the future. He is a consensus person, he can do it.

In the meanwhile rebels seem to get control of some small missiles to put more pressure on the criminal regime …

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November 8th, 2012, 12:49 pm

 

76. Albo said:

72. SYRIALOVER

Qunfuz would be kind to explain us where are the Egyptian or Pakistani Assads, to explain why these countries are so filled with crazy islamists.

Or for that matter, where is the Canadian Assad, because as we experience here it seems that the fresh, democratic atmosphere of that country doesn’t cure islamism either.

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November 8th, 2012, 12:56 pm

 

77. Syrialover said:

Excellent piece, worth reading in full

Syria: Art, creative resistance and active citizenship

Excerpt:

Many new formed Syrian creative groups are sprouting out on the Internet, carrying a unique message which combines irony and satire with non-violent resistance and civil disobedience. Although, as Top goon’s director Jameel recently clarified in a public event held at the Hermitage museum in Amsterdam, “non-violence does not mean that the Syrian people should not have the right to legitimate defense when they are brutally attacked. Pacifism should stay as the ultimate goal and should always inspire and guide the Syrian uprising”.

Many artists are trying to use creativity and art as an antidote to a much feared disintegration of the Syrian society, exposed to daily violence and threatened by sectarian hate. The Facebook group Syrian Animation’s latest cartoon, called ‘My home is my brother’s home’, suggests helping those who lost their homes and who are in need of humanitarian aid.

Many humanitarian campaigns that use creativity and art to engage Syrians in nation building and cross-sectarian solidarity are populating Facebook, calling for mutual help. Yet, this humanitarian and creative side of the Syrian uprising is almost unknown to the majority of Arab and international media, too concentrated on images of civil war and sectarian strife to be able to scout these little gems of innovative creative resistance.

http://artsfreedom.org/?p=3589

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November 8th, 2012, 1:07 pm

 

78. Syrialover said:

ALBO #76,

I suspect from reading him that Qunfuz could explain it to you very well and help unravel your confusion about Islamists.

But you could also explain it to yourself with more reading, thinking, listening and discussions with people who know those countries.

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November 8th, 2012, 1:21 pm

 

79. Syrialover said:

Listen, do you hear it – the tap, tap, monotonous drumbeat of negativity and criticism against everyone and everything in the Middle East by our resident drumbeater MINA (#66).

It’s a very simple tune to maintain, it requires no thinking or effort.

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November 8th, 2012, 1:32 pm

 

80. Warren said:

Syrian rebels kill prisoner as war fuels hatred

HAREM, Syria (Reuters) – Unarmed and cornered by Syrian rebel fighters, the man seemed to accept his death with more silent sorrow than surprise; his killers did not hesitate as they shot their prisoner.

The incident, filmed by a Reuters video crew, happened last week in Harem, near Aleppo, where rebels have surrounded hundreds of troops and militiamen loyal to President Bashar al-Assad. Taking one neighborhood after days of bitter street fighting, opposition fighters went from house to house.

From one building they hauled a man in middle age, dressed in casual clothes, black bearded and without a weapon. He seemed anxious and shied away as he stumbled into the street. Three rebels fighters casually raised their Kalashnikov rifles. A shot rang out, then another. A third. The man began to fall. Still silent. More shots. He lay still. A final round hit his head.

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-rebels-kill-prisoner-war-fuels-hatreds-150936923.html

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November 8th, 2012, 1:49 pm

 

81. Syrialover said:

ALI,

I realise you’re probably absorbed in reading those pieces by Qunfuz and Visitor I gave you links to, but I’d still appreciate your views on the following.

To repeat my inquiry:

Tell me, what do you think of closet shabeeha sitting on the fence whilst pointing the finger at the victims?

Do you disapprove of them? Admire them? Do you see them as naughty or nice?

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November 8th, 2012, 1:54 pm

 

82. Visitor said:

SL 78,

You must realize that not every comment deserves the effort to make a response to as in the case of your response to Albo 76.

You see I talked to this entity once or actually he/she talked to me by injecting him/herself into a conversation. So, I found out he/she is suffering from cognitive deficiencies, a case widely spread and prevalent among Love-you-forever-worship-you-always, which I felt at the time I have no time to waste with him/her.

The moral of the story is that the problem he perceives is related to this deficiency. He/she is the only one who can come to terms with what he/she defines as a problem.

So, I would say ignore him/her.

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November 8th, 2012, 2:10 pm

 

83. Syrialover said:

Light relief, the sendup of Robert Fisk reporting on Syria by the witty Karl Sharro:

http://karlremarks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/robert-fisk-reporting-from-syria-with.html

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November 8th, 2012, 2:13 pm

 

84. Syrialover said:

Visitor #82,

I’m not sure what you’re saying, but I’m only trying to help. Just like you were with that good explanation on the FSA you wrote in response to ALI in the last thread.

But we know you can lead a dehydrated and dizzy horse to water, but you can’t always expect it to drink.

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November 8th, 2012, 2:20 pm

 

85. Albo said:

Hey Visitor, buddy, I already told you that an airhead like you can’t assess other people’s cognitive abilities, but we on the other hand can clearly discern your retardation.

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November 8th, 2012, 2:25 pm

 

86. Visitor said:

SL 84,

If you said the following,
“But we know you can lead a dehydrated and dizzy horse to water, but you can’t always expect it to drink.”

Then you must know what I am saying.

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Albo 85,

See the above.

To go from A to C you must go through point B.

Try to learn from the dehydrated horse example

In your case cognition is missing. So you cannot do any assessments.

You can only do Love-u-forever-worship-u-until-hell-freezes.

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November 8th, 2012, 2:36 pm

 

87. Albo said:

I can’t assess your stupidity, indeed, because it is limitless.
Though I know the saying “Don’t argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”. Indeed internet warriors like yourself deserve no attention, but it’s hard to resist sometimes.

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November 8th, 2012, 2:45 pm

 

88. Visitor said:

No Albo 87.

You CANNOT asses period.
You do not have the means.

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November 8th, 2012, 2:59 pm

 
 

90. Mina said:

Yeah sure, I should be dancing and laughing while most Syrians I know are trying to get out of the country, when Jürgen posts regularly pictures of “free Kafrabel” where women have simply disappeared from the picture.

Check that, and don’t read the comments if you can’t survive to humans negativity and their capacity to destroy themselves and each other.
http://blog.lefigaro.fr/malbrunot/2012/11/syrie-pourquoi-les-americains.html

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November 8th, 2012, 3:05 pm

 

91. SANDRO LOEWE said:

Mina,

After Assad dies inside Syria, Hezballah gets trashed and Iran collapses, will you keep on posting defending what cannot be defended?

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November 8th, 2012, 3:27 pm

 

92. MarigoldRan said:

Assad says he won’t leave. The rebels will not negotiate with Assad. We have a long war ahead of us. It looks like Assad will die in Syria.

Syrialover is kind, which is a good quality, but wars are not won by kind people. Ali, I understand your desire to talk. But it’s too late. Much, much too late.

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November 8th, 2012, 3:32 pm

 

93. Syrialover said:

MINA #90

To put a sophisticated concept simply: wherever you are living in safety and comfort, whatever freedoms, opportunities and privileges you’ve enjoyed in your life, it’s due to so many people in human history having a far more generous, can-do and positive take on the world than you.

If your negative, critical, sour mindset had been the norm, it would have been all over 40,000 years ago.

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November 8th, 2012, 3:34 pm

 

94. Albo said:

“You CANNOT asses”
Since I can’t ass the way he “asses”, I’ll just abide by 87 now.

____________

Mina, no surprise, but the readers are rather rightist there. In other outlets the picture is often different.

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November 8th, 2012, 3:43 pm

 

95. Syrialover said:

Let’s hope that someone in Assad’s inner circle who begins to personally fear and distrust him will decide to get in first before he turns on them.

The attack on Shawkat and Maher showed anything’s possible.

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November 8th, 2012, 3:49 pm

 

96. ghufran said:

Doha conference has failed already, opposition from expat groups seems to be unable to win support from Syrians and non Syrians alike:
“اتهمت مجموعة من المعارضين أندادهم المشاركين في مؤتمر الدوحة بما أسمته”الإصرار على إقصاء أبناء الثورة الصادقين والجيش الحر”، معتبرة أن ذلك استمرار في السير على “ذات الخطى التي لم تقدم ما هو إيجابي للثورة”.
و شككت المجموعة في بيان اصدرته بـ”الأجندات التي يتم تحضيرها لما أبعد من ذلك من حكومة ووزارات وقيادات تريد فرض نفسها”، مذكّرة بأن الثورة لن تسمح بفرض أمرعلى الشعب “فقد ولى زمن الطغاة”.
وكشف البيان عن محادثات تجري بين المدنيين والعسكريين في الداخل لتأسيس “مجلس وطني حقيقي” يعبر عن رغبات ومتطلبات من هم داخل الوطن “أبطال الخنادق” لإنهاء المعاناة الطويلة، غامزاً من قناة بعض المعارضين من”نزلاء الفنادق” في تجاهل “آلام أهلنا في الداخل و على المعابر الحدودية و ضمن مخيمات اللجوء”.
و كان وقع على البيان المذكور كل من”: د.وائل الحافظ عن التحالف الوطني السوري، العقيد رياض الأسعد من الجيش السوري الحر، العميد حسام العواك من تجمع الضباط الأحرار في الجيش الوطني السوري، ثائر الناشف عن تجمع القوى الوطنية السورية، سعد العقيدي من الكتائب الميدانية المقاومة في سوريا، د. محمود سيد الدغيم عن التجمع الوطني السوري الحر،الشيخ نواف البشير من كتلة التحريروالبناء، صلاح الدين بلال رئيس مجلس الإدارة المحلية، بهية مارديني من التجمع الوطني لحقوق المراة والطفل، مهيمن الطائي عن لواء درع الجزيرة،الشيخ ابراهيم الزعبي من حزب احرار الشام،عمار القربي عن تيار التغييرالوطني”.
sidelining expats is not necessarily a bad thing, after all it is Syrians inside Syria who should decide how to proceed,they are the ones who are paying with their blood,health and nerves, they are the ones who stand up in lines to get bread and home natural gas,etc.
this may be the end of the SNC.

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November 8th, 2012, 4:30 pm

 

97. Uzair8 said:

Small Wars Journal.

Chairman Mao vs. President Assad: People’s War in Syria
November 5, 2012

The last few weeks of the war in Syria have seen a lot of back and forth action and big body counts, but between the lies and the omissions and the fog of war, it’s hard to perceive a narrative. But look closely and apply a bit of military history, and it comes through clearly: the war is in what Mao called the second phase of people’s war.

[...]

This may sound premature, but we can make a sweeping generalization: no matter the outcome, these battles {Damascus/Aleppo} were strategic wins for the rebels.

Why? The battles of Damascus and Aleppo are strategic victories for the Free Syrian Army because they are completing the second stage of Maoist people’s war.

[...]

Maoist people’s war is a process of coiling like a snake around conventional forces that can beat you in a stand-up fight after forcing them to spread thin. The Maoist combination of positional and guerrilla warfare maximizes the attrition price that conventional forces pay to supply and move, and chips away at the territory they hold. By taking towns and government positions along the motorways, the FSA is tightening the snake’s coils of Maoist second-state encirclement. Imagine an anaconda taking down large prey: with the prey in its coils, the snake just sits there and lets it struggle to break free. The prey’s own struggles tire it out and it weakens slowly, until finally it can’t resist when the anaconda snaps its neck, with not much more effort than it took to hold the prey in place. When the government forces struggle to break free of the second-stage people’s war encirclement, as the Syrian Army is doing right now in Aleppo, his struggles are like those of the snake’s prey. To break free he has to wreck his own strategic position by abandoning the countryside and shelling his own supporters. The third stage will come when the FSA engages in open positional warfare to seize and hold territory in conventional fights against concentrations of heavy Syrian Army forces, after Assad’s forces have been further degraded and the FSA has gained in strength. By then it will be too late for Assad.

http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/chairman-mao-vs-president-assad-people%E2%80%99s-war-in-syria

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November 8th, 2012, 5:15 pm

 

98. Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN #96

Do you want nobody to even try?

And where is there a clear precedent and template for this effort to start working on a transitional government? One based on a universal consensus that the current “government” is not sustainable, and while the conflict still rages?

This is pioneering stuff.

The world is trying to help Syrians, and every comment you read from those suffering inside pleads with it to do so and to hurry up.

Try to get a bigger picture in focus.

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November 8th, 2012, 5:55 pm

 

99. Hanzala said:

Watch out Assad…! They are coming..

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November 8th, 2012, 6:20 pm

 

100. Syrialover said:

Here’s a good insight into efforts being made to coordinate and strengthen the FSA’s efforts.

Those defecting senior army officers are Syrian heroes!

Story: As opposition argues in Doha, battle tests bid for unity

* Senior army defectors seek to forge disciplined force

* Siege of key town shows rebel fighters coordinating plans

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/08/syria-crisis-discipline-idUSL5E8M50GG20121108

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November 8th, 2012, 6:20 pm

 

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