“Deeply Sectarian,” Joshua Landis on the Economist online

Deeply sectarian
Jun 14th 2011, 23:57
by The Economist online

The director of the Center for Middle East studies at the University of Oklahoma explains why Syria faces a long struggle

[This is not my title. I wouldn’t have chosen it. The struggle in Syria has not yet become and overt sectarian struggle as happened in Lebanon or Iraq. The interview does capture my thinking about how the struggle enveloping Syria may unfold.]

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151. why-discuss said:


Shami has been throwing repeated false accusations and attributed violent comments to many commenters, including me. I guess he believes that by repeating them over and over, it will become accepted as the truth . That is usually the approach used by religious extremists including Israelis..
I think this revolution has accelerated his mental dementia

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June 16th, 2011, 2:42 pm


152. Shami said:

Ave,when i said Qom it meant what it means :you love bashar and love the iranian theocracy (who never stopped to deal with Israel under the table since the time khomaini got israeli weapons in a hidden deal).
When you criticize ta2ifiyeh ,it seems that the regimes and militias you support are extremist ta2ifiyin and they are main parts of sectarian killings in Iraq )

So ave,are you sure that i was wrong ?

Why ,i hate lies ,hypocrisy and corruption,that’s why i criticize you ,it’s your favorites such as the hezbollahi medias which portray rami makhlouf as an icon of the resistance against israel not me.

Ave and all the menhebak here ,our problem with you is that you are extremist supporters of a dying regime and we are all sure that asad statues will be toppled ,so if you are aware the change is inescapable ,it seems that you hate democracy because you hate the fact that the syrian people became mostly conservative muslims during the last decades.(despite asad dictature)

I have nothing to win to be sectarian ,because i belong to a civilziation and i feel at home in all parts of this Umma.
And i feel i’m Moroccan,Algerian,Tunisian,Turkish ,as much i’m Syrian.
All this sectarian hatred we see here ,was built during the last decades ,because you are afraid from the social change that happened in Syria.
We are not stupid ,their Attack against the MB (who dont exist in Syria)means an attack against their muslim neighbors.

For those i say ,No one forced you to leave Syria !
And for those who remained they are aware that regimes die and only the people remain !

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June 16th, 2011, 4:08 pm


153. Shami said:

Mr Landis,
Did you noticed that the syrian people are more politized than you thought they were?
Bouti ,Hassoun are considered as hypocrites ,their use as propaganda tool by the regime is a fact that goes against asad regime.
Every time ,the people see them on the TVs ,they curse them.
Ask any damascene or aleppine you know! on hassoun ,shami or bouti.
The most respected sheikhs in Syria today are those who took an other stance like Nabulsi,Salqini or the wise Midani sheikh.

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June 16th, 2011, 4:56 pm


154. Averroes said:


Yes, Shame’s tactics are classic and feeble. He will tell you what you love and what you feel even. How ridiculous is that as a means of debate. When he starts making asserting statements about feelings, let alone being my own feelings, you know there is just no substance. Void and loud like a tabl.

If he can outright LIE about things that I know for certain are incorrect and inaccurate, how can I trust anything he says?

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June 16th, 2011, 4:58 pm


155. Shami said:

Ok let your accuracy be known here ,so we could answer according to it.

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June 16th, 2011, 5:00 pm


156. Shami said:

Ave,this is a gift from el mahboub to you:


Be proud of it !

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June 16th, 2011, 5:38 pm


157. syau said:

Why Discuss, #135,

Indeed the media is a powerful tool. We are flooded with selective information over and over again until the average person believes what is reported without researching.

Angelina Jolie’s visit to Turkey is another media stint. As she is a famous actress and ambassador for the UN, she will bring a huge amount of media coverage into our lounge rooms to further highlight a one sided version events in Syria. Media outlets will be talking about the visit for weeks.

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June 17th, 2011, 12:45 am


158. why-discuss said:


On Al Jazeera TV 2 days ago they showed the 4,000 kids in the turkish camp. They were running around, driving the turkish soldiers crazy. They seemed to have fun and lack nothing but of course when Angelina Jolie will come they will pick some who are ill and show them. Typical mise en scene to make people shed tears and curse the ‘brutal’ repression.
I wish they show the children of the dead men they found in the mass graves, of course they won’t even mention these men had families.

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June 17th, 2011, 7:51 am


159. Tara said:


I would rather see Angelina Jolie than Ali Abbas.

At least one beautiful face amidst all this ugliness

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June 17th, 2011, 8:05 am


160. why-discuss said:

Photos of armed Moslem Brotherhood in Jir Shoghour taken by AFP

First images of armed rebels in Jisr al-Choughour


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June 17th, 2011, 8:10 am


161. Tara said:

And I just hope I do not have to defend her as sectarian stupid MB rat married to undercover Zionist conspiring against the regime

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June 17th, 2011, 8:10 am


162. why-discuss said:

The ugliness is inside Syria. The camps set by the Turks look tidy in the middle of forests. I think the families stranded at the border, hesitant to cross, are the ones who really need help, food and support.

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June 17th, 2011, 8:17 am


163. syau said:

Why Discuss,

You’re right, there is no way they will mention children or family members of the murdered security personnel, any of martyred army personnels families or images of the murdered & mutilated civilians. It’s all about publicity and what images they portray to serve their purpose.

#160, there was an error message when opening up the link.

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June 17th, 2011, 8:26 am


164. why-discuss said:


I didn’t hear about her plan to divorce Brad Pitt and marry an MB activist or a Israeli right wing settler 🙂

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June 17th, 2011, 8:31 am


165. why-discuss said:

Images of MB armed men in Jisr Shoughour, correction



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June 17th, 2011, 8:33 am


166. Tara said:


Yes but I doubt she can enter Syria and show humanity inside the borders. She may end up killed by an unidentified arm gangs or interrogated in the notorious Damascus kafir Susu security branch by one of the cousins.

The ugliness is taking over everywhere. I see it every time I close my eyes.

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June 17th, 2011, 8:35 am


167. why-discuss said:


It is a depressing and worrying time for all who care about Syria.

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June 17th, 2011, 8:40 am


168. Tara said:


I can’t stop myself from asking you again.

Why do you care about Syria?

What’s in it for you?

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June 17th, 2011, 8:57 am


169. why-discuss said:


Sorry, I do not get into personal questions, I have already told you that.

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June 17th, 2011, 9:09 am


170. Tara said:

Why# 164

Brad Pitt.

I wouldn’t divorce him either…

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June 17th, 2011, 9:41 am


171. why-discuss said:


I guess so, who would? The MB nerd in Sweden doesn’t stand a chance to convince Angelina of his hidden charms 🙂

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June 17th, 2011, 9:59 am


172. Tara said:


I absolutely agree with you. However,

One might need to see below the surface. The guy from Sweden may have dignity, humanity, sweetness, and intelligence that Mr. Assad lacks handling their crisis.

In term of looks, I must also agree with you. Bashar and the Sweeden guy do not stand a chance.

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June 17th, 2011, 10:18 am


173. why-discuss said:


He maybe a wonderful person, but I won’t travel to gloomy Sweden to learn more about his inner qualities. I’ll stick to his thrilling Youtube interviews. If I travel I would rather go to Antakya 🙂

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June 17th, 2011, 10:26 am


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