EU and US say Syria’s Assad must step down

EU and US say Syria’s Assad must step down
Reuters, Aug 19, 2011

BRUSSELS // The European Union told Syrian President Bashar Al Assad today to step down, following a similar call by the United States, and threatened to toughen its sanctions against his regime.

“The EU has repeatedly emphasised that the brutal repression must be stopped … The Syrian leadership, however, has remained defiant,” the EU’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said in a statement.

“This shows that the Syrian regime is unwilling to change… The EU notes the complete loss of Bashar Al Assad’s legitimacy in the eyes of the Syrian people and the necessity for him to step aside,” she said.

Ms Ashton said the EU’s 27 governments were preparing to extend their list of Syrian entities targeted by EU sanctions and discussing ways to broaden the bloc’s measures against Mr Assad.

“The EU is moving ahead with discussing further restrictive measures that will broaden its sanctions against the Syrian regime. By these efforts we continue to aim at assisting the Syrian people to achieve their legitimate aspirations,” she said

Obama Calls for Syrian President to Step Down, By MARK LANDLER and NADA BAKRI in the NYTimes

“The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way,” Obama said in a statement. “His calls for dialogue and reform have rung hollow while he is imprisoning, torturing, and slaughtering his own people.”

“For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for President Assad to step aside.”

EU To Consider Ban On Refined Product Exports To Syria, 2011-08-18, Dow Jones Newswires

Fact Sheet on Syrian Sanctions By New York Times

Resistance Transforms a Once Mute Syrian City
This article was reported by an employee of The New York Times from Syria, and written by Anthony Shadid from Beirut, Lebanon. August 17, 2011

HOMS, Syria — The narrower the streets of this city, a caldron of revolt and resistance against four decades of rule by the Assad family, the blunter the graffiti becomes. It is scrawled on walls, garbage bins, phone booths, doors and even tree trunks, as a city that was long quiescent declares these days that it will no longer stay quiet.

“We won’t bow to anyone but God,” says one slogan.

The sentiments are echoed in the streets, most remarkable perhaps for the simple notion that no one — not young men filming, not fathers hoping for a glimpse of defiance and not grandmothers chanting from their balconies — seems ready to give up.

“Syria wants freedom,” goes their cry.

Syria’s uprising has entered its sixth month, as protesters defy an escalating crackdown that has killed hundreds this month in cities like Hama, Deir al-Zour and, now, Latakia. International condemnations have mounted, even as diplomats acknowledge a paucity of tools to determine the uprising’s outcome. But daily life in Homs underlines the degree to which the uprising has already transformed life in a country once remarkable for its dearth of politics.

Dissent and defiance in Homs, its residents say, have become knitted into the city’s fabric, signaling to the government that however ferocious the repression, it will face a resilient opposition for the foreseeable future.

Each night, in Homs, the battle begins anew…..

The conceptual gap between Syria and the U.S.
By David W. Lesch in Foreign Policy, Wednesday, August 17, 2011

…..For an orderly transition from dictatorship to democracy two elements are crucial: “an elite willing to hand over power, and an alternative elite organized enough to accept it.” In Syria neither exists. Will it at some point? Probably not, but it is not out of the realm of possibility, as there are stirrings that something might emerge on both sides of the equation.

Most of us watching from the outside — those making policy decisions in Washington, at the U.N. or in European capitals — are from a decidedly different world and conceptual paradigm than the Syrian leadership. To think that we could all get on the same page and collectively find a peaceful way out of this has been more fantasy than reality. The weltanschauung prisms are anchored in vastly different experiences, pre-conceptions, local politics, and ideologies, and they have a very hard time seeing and understanding each other.

Re-Examining the Arab Spring – August 15, 2011 | STRATFOR

…..Among Europeans and within the U.S. State Department and the Obama administration is an ideology of human rights — the idea that one of the major commitments of Western countries should be supporting the creation of regimes resembling their own. This assumes all the things that we have discussed: that there is powerful discontent in oppressive states, that the discontent is powerful enough to overthrow regimes, and that what follows would be the sort of regime that the West would be able to work with.

The issue isn’t whether human rights are important but whether supporting unrest in repressive states automatically strengthens human rights. An important example was Iran in 1979, when opposition to the oppression of the shah’s government was perceived as a movement toward liberal democracy. What followed might have been democratic but it was hardly liberal. Indeed, many of the myths of the Arab Spring had their roots both in the 1979 Iranian Revolution and later in Iran’s 2009 Green Movement, when a narrow uprising readily crushed by the regime was widely viewed as massive opposition and widespread support for liberalization.

The world is more complicated and more varied than that. As we saw in the Arab Spring, oppressive regimes are not always faced with massed risings, and unrest does not necessarily mean mass support. Nor are the alternatives necessarily more palatable than what went before or the displeasure of the West nearly as fearsome as Westerners like to think. Libya is a case study on the consequences of starting a war with insufficient force. Syria makes a strong case on the limits of soft power. Egypt and Tunisia represent a textbook lesson on the importance of not deluding yourself.

The pursuit of human rights requires ruthless clarity as to whom you are supporting and what their chances are. It is important to remember that it is not Western supporters of human rights who suffer the consequences of failed risings, civil wars or revolutionary regimes that are committed to causes other than liberal democracy.

The misreading of the situation can also create unnecessary geopolitical problems. The fall of the Egyptian regime, unlikely as it is at this point, would be just as likely to generate an Islamist regime as a liberal democracy. The survival of the al Assad regime could lead to more slaughter than we have seen and a much firmer base for Iran. No regimes have fallen since the Arab Spring, but when they do it will be important to remember 1979 and the conviction that nothing could be worse than the shah’s Iran, morally or geopolitically. Neither was quite the case.

This doesn’t mean that there aren’t people in the Arab world who want liberal democracy. It simply means that they are not powerful enough to topple regimes or maintain control of new regimes even if they did succeed. The Arab Spring is, above all, a primer on wishful thinking in the face of the real world.

Read more: Re-Examining the Arab Spring | STRATFOR

Syrian Bank Rejects U.S. Charges on WMD Ties
Wednesday, Aug. 17, 2011

The Lebanon branch of a state-run Syrian financial institution on Wednesday rejected U.S. charges that it had carried out transactions that assisted unconventional weapons operations in North Korea and Syria, Agence France-Presse reported (see GSN, Aug. 11).

The United States last week unveiled punitive measures against the Commercial Bank of Syria and its subsidiary, the Syrian Lebanese Commercial Bank, for doing business with Syrian and North Korean entities blacklisted previously by Washington for purportedly supporting WMD proliferation activities.

The U.S. Treasury Department also said the Syrian bank has done business with blacklisted Iranian entities such as Bank Melli, Bank Saderat and the Export Development Bank of Iran.

The Syrian Lebanese Commercial Bank described the U.S. charges as “unfounded political allegations.”

“Since the establishment of our institution, we have never had any operation with either a North Korean or an Iranian entity even before the existing sanctions,” the bank stated.

“As a result, we deny all accusation of being involved in any illegal activity with any suspected country,” the firm said in released remarks

Syria: the Cost of Crisis
Wed, Aug 17, 2011
Chaosistan, Middle East, Strategic Deterrence
By Vladislav GULEVICH (Ukraine)

Syria has entered the sixth month of anti-government riots, orchestrated from abroad. Protesters no longer seek moderate reforms, they aggressively demand Bashar Assad`s resignation. Western media accuse Damascus of ‘opposing democratic changes’. The former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Craig Roberts, had earlier explained what these changes were about: “We need to topple Gaddafi in Libya and Assad in Syria because we want to oust China and Russia from the Mediterranean” (‘US risks war with China and Russia’).

Russia has a naval base in Syria`s Tartus, the only place in the Mediterranean where the Russian fleet has its warships stationed. In 1991 Russia reformed its Mediterranean squadron, and since then has sailed to the area only several times. Meanwhile, the US and NATO presence there is not decreasing.

The base in Tartus was established to replace one in Sevastopol if Ukraine bans Russia from having its navy there. There is an alternative port in Novorossiysk but it can`t accommodate as many ships as the one in Sevastopol. On ousting Russian sailors from Syria, Americans will fulfill their goal. That is why Washington is being so persistent in trying to topple Bashar Assad, who is Russia`s ally. The day Assad leaves, Russian sailors will be asked to quit, too. The next step for Washington will be to oust Russia’s Black Sea Fleet from Crimea to Novorossiysk. After that Russia will no longer remain in the list of countries enjoying naval presence in the west…..

To conclude, I would like to say the following:

- in case riots in Syria end in Assad`s resignation, Syria will be controlled by the US

- Turkey, Russia and Iran will have its positions in the Middle East weakened

- Russia will be ousted form the Mediterranean and locked inside the Black Sea basin, where it will have to deal with Romania, Bulgaria and Georgia – US allies and anti-Russian foreign policies

- the Kurdish issue will become even a greater threat for Turkey, especially in view of the fact that a pro-American Assad`s successor won`t be opposing what Kurdish rebels are going to implement on Syrian territories

- Al-Qaida has already voiced its support to Syrian rioters, and it appears that they are going to strengthen their position in post-Assad Syria, the fact which Ankara cannot favor; but this will allow Washington justify its military presence in the region

- If Assad steps down, Turkey will face huge economic losses (in 2010 bilateral trade between Syria and Turkey stood at $2.5bln, and the sides agreed to reach the $5bln level)

- If this all happens, Turkey will have no alternative but to abandon its ambitious plans to create a free trade zone with Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.

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151. Aboud said:

Damn it, while I appreciate the gesture of spraying us with water, it’s really hard not to swallow any while yelling “Ya bashar ya zarafi, allah la ya3tek el 3afi” hehehehe.

You know what the best barometer of menhebak frustration is? How many times they whine about Aboud. Judging by the posts this week, I need to increase the scale :)

“i searched for that report on the UPI website. i didnt find it, or anything similar to that. NOTHING!,zero,nada,zilch!”

HAHAHAHAHA! BUUUUUUUUUURN! Good one SGID :)

Today there were so many demonstrations in Syria, the live feed from the satellite channels couldn’t keep up.

“Assad reforms are a big threat to the west”

Let’s have some fun with this, and see where it takes us.

So, you are saying that the West considers a Syria that implements the same freedoms that the rest of the world have had for over a hundred years, a threat?

So you admit that the old Baathist way of doing things made Syria weak? Therefore, why should anyone want a regime around that even its supporters admit has failed miserably?

Also, junior has had 11 years plus 5 months to implement reforms. Besides X-Box Live, what have been his achievements in your opinion? A higher standard of living for Syrians? Nope. Return of the Golan? Nope. Pissing off every regional and international power with nothing to show for it? Yep.

@142 I have plans for Qurdaha. It involves a numerous number of urinals. Or do you think that shelling mosques, killing over 2000 Syrians, jailing over 12,000 will not have its price?

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August 19th, 2011, 7:36 am

 

152. Ali said:

Some Guy in Damascus

http://sana.sy/eng/337/2011/08/18/364592.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

This is the site. If you don’t believe the article, the picture says it all.

126 Citizens Return from Turkish Camps to Jisr al-Shughour
http://sana.sy/eng/337/2011/08/18/364732.htm

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August 19th, 2011, 7:48 am

 

153. Ali said:

Editor,

Where are the rest of my comments? They were posted about 8 or 9 hours ago.

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August 19th, 2011, 7:59 am

 

154. Ali said:

Samara,

Very good points. Your forgetting to mention a few things though.

1, Time in prison for consuming alcohol
2, 500 lashes for alcohol trading
3, taken into custody for smelling like alcohol
4, 90 lashes a year ago for being in the same car as an unrelated man
5, In 1977 a Saudi princess and her lover were sentenced to death and executed
6, Honor killings are condemned (normally done by stoning or torture)
7, If a woman does not cover her hair she is stoned to death.
8,Permission to go outside from a male figure

I could go on and on but you get the picture.
I hope this all taught you something about the Syrian regime

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August 19th, 2011, 8:24 am

 

155. beaware said:

U.S. sanctions on Syrian gov’t not sufficient to bring down al-Assad
2011-08-19 11:35:43
by Matthew Rusling
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/indepth/2011-08/19/c_131060655_3.htm
WASHINGTON, Aug. 18 (Xinhua) — The latest U.S. call for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s ouster and its new sanctions imposed on Damascus may not be sufficient to bring down Assad, U.S. experts said on Thursday.
….
Obama issued a new executive order that immediately froze all assets of the Syrian government under U.S. jurisdiction, and prohibited all U.S. citizens from engaging in any transactions involving the Syrian government.

It also “bans U.S. imports of Syrian-origin petroleum or petroleum products; prohibits U.S. persons from having any dealings in or related to Syria’s petroleum or petroleum products; and prohibits U.S. persons from operating or investing in Syria.”

Meanwhile, the U.S. Treasury announced that it barred trade with five Syrian oil and gas companies, including General Petroleum Corporation, Syrian Company For Oil Transport, Syrian Gas Company, Syrian Petroleum Company and Sytrol.
Speaking on a White House conference call on Thursday, senior U.S. officials said the new sanctions, along with other measures the administration has taken against Assad, will “disrupt the Syrian regime’ s ability to finance its campaign of violence against the Syrian people.”

But there remains some questions as to whether the sanctions will have any impact at all, as the United States is no major importer of Syrian oil.

“The U.S. response alone probably will not have a substantial impact on the question of Assad stepping down,” said Wayne White, a scholar at the Middle East Institute who for decades served in various U.S. government positions in the Arab world.

David Pollock, senior fellow at the Washington Institute, echoed those thoughts.” The sanctions themselves are relatively minor,” he said. “But what’ s much more important is (U.S. President Barack Obama’s) very explicit statements that Assad should step aside.”

“So it’ s really this support (which is important for) the demonstrators in Syria, as well as other countries that are looking to see which way the wind is blowing,” he said.

U.S. Officials said they would continue to build on those actions as well as work with the international community to force Assad to step down, while insisting that the U.S. would not intervene in the domestic affairs of Syria.

Three leading European powers, Germany, Britain and France, have also called for the Syrian leader to step down, and U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland on Thursday said the Obama administration is now looking to more countries to take similar steps.
…..
White said there may be no specific actions that the rest of world can take to force Assad to step down at this point, adding that the Syrian leader may well opt to fight on.

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August 19th, 2011, 8:32 am

 

156. Mango said:

тo analyse events occurring to Syria for five months it is possible to confirm:
* – is engaged in affairs of Syria:
The USA, Israel, England, France, Germany, Russia, China, India, Southern Africa, Brazil, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, League of the Arabian countries. And also the United Nations security council, all world organizations on (protection of human rights) and also the international court etc.
Hence means that Syria is the Hyper important country!
If throughout 40 years all so is bad, who has made it such Hyper important!
For reflection!!!

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August 19th, 2011, 8:33 am

 

157. beaware said:

Russia opposed to call for Syria’s Assad to step down
Aug 19, 2011 13:47 Moscow Time
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/19/54883308.html
Russia does not see eye-to-eye with the United States and the European Union on their call for the Syrian President Bashar Assad to step down.

Moscow believes that Assad should be given time to carry out the reforms that Damascus has recently spoken of.

According to the Russian Foreign Ministry, Syria has already made impressive progress to that end. – Relevant laws have been adopted, an amnesty has been declared for political prisoners, and Syria said it was prepared to hold general elections by the end of the year and receive an international humanitarian mission.

But the main thing is Bashar Assad’s statement that all military operations against the opposition have been brought to a halt.

The Russian Foreign Ministry feels that Syria’s problems can be settled only through dialogue between the government and the opposition.

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August 19th, 2011, 8:38 am

 

158. some guy in damascus said:

@ali
sana lies.
i scanned the UPI website for such a report. i couldn’t find anything like that.
furthermore, sana didnt even give us a link to the report.
its a lie, something sana is good at.
@ all,
KSA does have gruesome criminal conduct, but heres something nice about KSA. it has stuck to its legal code. what is written is executed, unlike the syrian constitution.
im not saying i want a ksa or iran style regime, but i want a government that sticks to what it writes down in bills, constitutions and paper. something the KSA HAS DONE.

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August 19th, 2011, 8:40 am

 

159. beaware said:

Assad should be given time for reforms – Kosachev
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/19/54887631.html
The Syrian President Bashar Assad should be given time to carry out the reforms he has announced.

The demand by the United States and some European countries that he should resign is premature, says the Head of the Russian Duma International Affairs Committee Konstantin Kosachev.

The West’s version that the Assad totalitarian regime is suppressing the popular uprising in Syria is only a part of the actual picture of events, while the Syrian opposition protests feature elements of extremism and banditry,

Kosachev said in an interview with the Interfax news agency. The Russian MP agrees that Assad will step down sooner or later, but that reforms, he says, should not be imposed on Syria from without.

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August 19th, 2011, 8:41 am

 

160. Ali said:

Beware,

along with other measures the administration has taken against Assad, will “disrupt the Syrian regime’ s ability to finance its campaign of violence against the Syrian people.”

This is not their goal. Since when has US given a damn about the Syrian people… or any people for that matter? Not even its own.
9/11 was planned and taken out by the US government itself!
Their goal is not to “disrupt violence against the Syrian people”. It is to corrupt Syria as a nation, not just the economy or the government. America wants every other country to bow down and say yes master. Bashar refused to do that. Why hasn’t KALBama mentioned anything about resolving the issues of the armed thugs? Why is he only focused of corrupting the economy and “demanding” Assad steps down? (not that anyone gives a s*** what he wants. He can bark away for all I care. If he wants to give his opinion that no one wants, at least have a good argument or a solution

Samara,

Thank you for using the term “woof”. perfect description. although I would have used “oink oink”

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August 19th, 2011, 8:46 am

 

161. beaware said:

Syria’s Deir Ezzor cheers army on exit
By AFP
Published: August 16, 2011
http://www.lhrtimes.com/syrias-deir-ezzor-cheers-army-on-exit.html

DEIR EZZOR: Syrian troops pulled out from the flashpoint protest city of Deir Ezzor on Tuesday, capping a 15-day operation to expel “terrorists,” an AFP reporter on a government-sponsored tour said.

Hundreds of residents sprinkled troops with rice and flowers — in a traditional Arab greeting — as they withdrew from the city in a military convoy bearing a banner that read “Soldiers of Assad.”

“The people and Deir Ezzor want (President) Bashar al-Assad,” and “We will sacrifice our blood and soul for you,” the soldiers chanted in honour of the embattled leader.

“Allah, Syria and Bashar,” cried residents.

Several residents described to AFP days of “horror” at the hands of “armed terrorist groups,” echoing government charges that terrorists were to blame for the past five months of bloodshed in Syria.

Rights groups say a brutal crackdown on dissent by Assad’s security forces has killed more than 1,800 civilians since mid-March, while 416 security forces have also died.

According to activists, the operation in Deir Ezzor, the largest city in eastern city, cost 30 lives.

“The army conducted a quick and sensible operation in Deir Ezzor in order to restore stability and calm at the request of residents,” who had complained of armed groups, an army officer told reporters.

He said gunmen had encircled the city and erected checkpoints.

Journalists visited Deir Ezzor’s main square, the epicentre of local pro-democracy and anti-regime rallies that pro-democracy protesters have renamed “Freedom Square.”

“It started with peaceful protests. Then they took the central square and merchants shuttered their shops in a general strike. After that, armed fighters took over the city and put up checkpoints,” said resident Ahmed Nasr, 38.

He said local population had appealed for the army to intervene after the city was overtaken by “terrorists of all ages,” some as young as 12.

Ahmed Abdel Khazem, 40, said he “lived in terror of armed terrorist gangs who cut roads, prevented traffic in and out of the city, and pillaged shops,” many of which remained closed on Tuesday.

“Assad is the Eagle of the Arabs,” and “The conspiracy is over, America,” read fresh graffiti on city centre walls.

Deir Ezzor province governor Samir Osman, whose office bore the scars of gunfire, said armed groups waged a campaign of terror and intimidation against officials, security and police officers, and public buildings.

The aim of the campaign was to “ruin the reputation of the state” and “serve Israel,” he said, adding that soldiers were killed by snipers posted on the minaret of a mosque.

“I know personally that some people are plotting against Syria and they have named themselves the opposition,” he said. But “everything is now back to normal and citizens are getting on with their lives.”

The governor also promised to tackle the demands of pro-democracy protesters. “The people have demands which we will satisfy at the level of Deir Ezzor and the country,” he said.

Syrian troops last week withdrew from another hotbed of dissent, Hama, after a 10-day operation that fuelled outrage abroad as authorities press on with their deadly crackdown on dissent through the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

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August 19th, 2011, 8:51 am

 

162. Aboud said:

While the menhebaks accuse Saudi Arabia of hypocrisy (kettle, meet pot), they are not surprisingly silent on Switzerland, Tunisia and Italy, all of which withdrew their ambassadors :)

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August 19th, 2011, 8:56 am

 

163. Ali said:

@155 Beware,

along with other measures the administration has taken against Assad, will “disrupt the Syrian regime’ s ability to finance its campaign of violence against the Syrian people.”

This is not their goal. Since when has US given a damn about the Syrian people… or any people for that matter? Not even its own.
9/11 was planned and taken out by the US government itself!
Their goal is not to “disrupt violence against the Syrian people”. It is to corrupt Syria as a nation, not just the economy or the government. America wants every other country to bow down and say yes master. Bashar refused to do that. Why hasn’t KALBama mentioned anything about resolving the issues of the armed thugs? Why is he only focused of corrupting the economy and “demanding” Assad steps down? (not that anyone gives a s*** what he wants. He can bark away for all I care. If he wants to give his opinion that no one wants, at least have a good argument or a solution

Samara,

Thank you for using the term “woof”. perfect description. although I would have used “oink oink”

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August 19th, 2011, 8:59 am

 

164. Ali said:

@160. beaware,

Thank you!

SGID,
This is the article I was referring to. Read and enjoy just as I did.

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August 19th, 2011, 9:05 am

 

165. Akbar Palace said:

No, but beating the crap out of a woman for driving a car is just as bad. Why is Saudi Arabia advocating democracy in Syria when it is the most oppressive regime? Why is King 3aduallah in support of human rights in Syria, yet he couldn’t give a rats fart about women’s rights in his own country? Or aren’t women considered human being in Saudi Arabia?

Samara,

I really hear your concerns. But, I wish you understood the concerns from the West. The “Oriental”/Western views are really far apart, and my hope is that we can bridge them. I feel there are some on this forum who ARE bridging the gap, namely, Aboud and Tara (and others).

I am no fan of Saudi Arabia, but is beating a woman driving a car really “just as bad” as killing 2500 of your own demonstrating population, who has been w/o basic human rights for over 40 years?

I think I understand Arab frustration with their governments, but I think we first have to understand that these huge problems have to be taken in baby-steps. The first baby step is stopping the killing of innocent people. The second baby steps are basic human rights including elections.

I just love how Obama, the US, EU and UN think that they can ’sanction’ Bashar, and tell him to ’step down’. LOL. Bashar’s reply should be “Go to hell”.

No. Bashar’s reply should be “I’ll hold elections to prove that the majority of Syrians want me.”

If Assad’s reply is what you recommend (Go to hell), then you will wind up with more dead Syrians. I can’t believe that is your preference.

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August 19th, 2011, 9:31 am

 

166. Ibn Arabi said:

From Nasser to Milosevic, from Ceaușescu to Ghaddafi, From Lumumba to Saddam, everyone who relied on Russia came to a sorry end. Russia, which is now egging Assad to defy its people and the West, has a miserable record in doing anything meaningful to save its dictator friends. It is the ill-omened owl of doom for every leader putting faith in it. Bashar al-Assad is doomed.

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August 19th, 2011, 9:47 am

 

167. Transformation said:

Where was America when Palestinians were killed by Israeli soldiers for years? Where was their false philosophy on Human Rights? Weren’t Palestinians good enough for European Union, America or even Australia? For years people around the world disregarded the suffering of these people. Taking over their land was not enough for Israel and its allies! Israelis expressed their Holocaust stories all around the world for so long so that humanity will understand their suffering. However, I ask myself whether Israel or its allies are different from Hitler himself or not. Have they ever followed a better strategy to resolve their problems with Palestine but to massacre them regardless of their age or gender? Why America is suddenly concerned with what is happening in Syria, now? Let us assume that Assad has resigned. What happens next? Minorities once again will be oppressed or massacred as my ancestors were!

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August 19th, 2011, 10:03 am

 

168. Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: MARK

RE: “…Assad reforms are a big threat to the west, because if he succeeds, it would be the best democracy in the middle east…”

Oh, you poor, deluded little man. Assad reforms? It’s not going to happen. Bashar Assad would kill every man, woman and child in Syria before he would implement even the most elementary reform.

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August 19th, 2011, 11:49 am

 

169. Akbar Palace said:

Searching for America

Where was America when Palestinians were killed by Israeli soldiers for years?

Transformation,

America was in the same place when Israelis were killed by Palestinian and Arab terrorists. And please don’t confuse “demonstrators” with “terrorists”. For example, demonstrators didn’t shoot up that bus yesterday on the Egyptian border.

America is still in the same place and still promoting land for peace. That’s about the best your gonna get.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=54&x_article=2101

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August 19th, 2011, 12:51 pm

 

170. sheila said:

Dear #123 SQI,
It is not as you said “ odd for a Syrian to brag about Israeli” advances, rather it is very difficult for a Syrian like me to do so, however, I have realized long time ago that for us to solve our problems and move forward, we have to begin with acknowledging that we have problems and recognizing what our problems are.
We have been raised under the rule of the Assads to claim advances when we were retreating and claim victory when we are the biggest losers. This is very detrimental to our nation.
Again SQI, we are no where near defeating Israel. The differences between us and them are very wide and in need of a lot of time and effort to be gapped. They have built a nation out of nothing and we have destroyed a great nation. We have one lethal weapon in our possession and that is demography. We produce a lot more children than they do. Time is on our side. The Israelis understand this weapon very well and fear it most. This is precisely why they do not want to annex the West Bank and Gaza.
All the countries that you have mentioned are very unreliable and have different agendas than ours. Believe me, on an emotional level, I would love to accept your scenario, but my brain can not allow me this delusion.

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August 19th, 2011, 3:50 pm

 

171. sheila said:

Dear Dr. Landis,
It is fair to say that Saudi Arabia is a third world country with a lot of money. You are absolutely right about the treatment of Christians in the Kingdom, however, it is also fair to say that approximately 50% of the Kingdom’s citizens who are in effect Muslims, are treated worse than Christians. These are the women of Saudi Arabia. It is mind boggling to know that in the time of the prophet Muhammad, both Christians and women were treated a lot better than today. What kind of Islam does the Saudi government practice??????. In my view, this is not Islam at all.

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August 19th, 2011, 5:03 pm

 

172. sheila said:

To all,
This Syria Comment is better than Comedy Central. I am cancelling my cable. Between the “we are on solid ground to defeat Israel”, “This could encourage alternative energy”, and “Assad reforms are a big threat to the west, because if he succeeds, it would be the best democracy in the middle east” I am on the floor laughing. Really people?. Let’s first think about providing food and medicine to the Syrians before we push for alternative energy. And yes, Assads reforms are a big threat to the west, because iffffffffffffffffff it succeeds. And let us all stop at ifffffffffff. It is the operative word.

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August 19th, 2011, 5:29 pm

 

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