EU Lays Off Syrians and Stops all Aid; Shell Pressured to Leave

The EU lays off hundreds of Syrians as it suspends all aid programs for Syria. In a sweeping decision to punish the government for its violent crackdown on the protest movement, the EU will cease all all aid and shut down energy programs and development. Royal Dutch Shell is being pressured to quite the country as well. The construction of a 724-mw combined cycle electric plant near Deir al-Zor will come to an end. Who will be hurt more: the regime or the people? Perhaps European politicians calculate that it doesn’t matter because in the end there will be plenty of pain to go around. The object seems to be to bring Syrian economy to a standstill in the hope of bringing down the government.

In the meantime, Tunisia and Egypt are being promised 40 billion dollars. G-8: Nations, Banks to Give $40B for Arab Spring. A clear carrot and stick is being established to encourage regime-change in Syria.

Time: Syria: If Protesters Don’t Get Assad, the Economy Will
2011-05-27

As the crisis in Syria continues, many observers are beginning to say that if the protesters cannot overthrow the regime, the economy will. With political uncertainty at a suffocating level, the Syrian pound has fallen against the U.S. dollar. As a result, Syrians are feverishly hauling their money out of banks — about 8% of all banks deposits have been withdrawn — and shifting it into more stable foreign currencies. GDP was predicted to grow at a steady 6% this year. Now, predictions are closer to a negative 3% contraction. “I think the crackdown on protesters will succeed in the next two months,” a senior western diplomat in Syria says. “But in six months time, the economy will have taken such a battering that [President Bashar al-]Assad will have lost the support of the majority of Syrians.”

The economy had been key to Assad’s popular standing before the uprising. Portraying himself as a political and economic reformer, Syria’s President spent the last five years moving away from the socialist, centrally planned economy that has failed Syrians. With a team of economic liberalizers, Assad began to open up the economy to the private sector, encourage free trade and reduce subsidies. Tourism started to boom and foreign investment began flooding in. Suddenly, middle-class Syrians were able to afford new cars and houses. Consumerism developed as cheap foreign products, like Chinese TVs and heaters, entered the market. The espresso-drinking urban business class grew.

Now, however, the pillars of the new Syria are collapsing. Today, people are not buying cars. Actually, nobody is spending at all in Syria. People are working fewer hours and there are widespread layoffs — some companies have stopped paying salaries. In three months, Syria’s economy has gone from growth to slump even as the government is desperately trying to pay off its disobedient citizens with subsidies — money it does not have.

Tourism, which possibly accounted for up to 18% of the entire economy, was the first to go. A year ago, sandal-clad and camera-wielding hordes of European tourists would shuffle through the cobble-stoned souk of Old Damascus, who patronized the businesses of cocky young Syrians, many of whom speak five languages to cater to the flow of foreigners. Now the tourist touts sit on small plastic stools and drink sweet tea in their shops full of dusty carpets and silver trinkets. “The Old City is still safe, but it’s empty,” one shopkeeper said as he tried to sell a box of old coins from Syria’s eastern deserts, a once-popular souvenir here.

Most travel insurance companies have blacklisted the country; and Middle East tour groups are now avoiding Syria altogether, even choosing to fly from Turkey to Jordan, rather than busing through the country as they used to do. The shopkeepers of Damascus say many tourist companies have closed and the boutique hotels of the capital and Aleppo, the country’s largest city, are empty. “We will have to close soon,” one said.

The next economic support to go will be foreign investment. With dwindling oil reserves, the Syrian government has been betting on foreign investment to pay for more than half of all government spending over the coming years. Would-be investors are now waiting to see if the situation stabilizes or, increasingly, are simply taking their money elsewhere. A Qatar-based company recently scrapped plans for a $900 million project to build power plants here. “The prospects do not look good at all,” a leading Damascus economist said on condition of anonymity. “There is a deep sense that the crisis is ongoing and business is at a standstill.”

Worst of all, according to many in the Syrian business community, the government has backtracked on its liberalizing reforms in a last-ditch attempt to mollify the protesters, who complain of unemployment, corruption, low wages and high prices. On Tuesday, the Treasury announced it would further subsidize gas oil by 25%, the latest in a string of government measures, including generous salary increases for public-sector workers and reintroducing subsidies on food and fuel prices. “It is not feasible for the government to adopt a socialist economy again. They simply don’t have the money,” the Damascus economist said. “All economic moves have been short term emergency measures, there has been no strategy.”

Panicked by the protests, President Assad sacked his government in April in a move that one dissident in Damascus described as “a pretense to democracy.” The dismissals included Deputy Prime Minister for Economic Affairs Abdullah al Dardari, the architect of the economic liberalization. Although Dardari’s longer-term policies were not always popular among the poor, the English-speaking minister opened the economy to foreign trade and private banks brought credit into the country.

A European business analyst working in Syria says that while the unrest has hurt the economy, the government backtracking on economic policy could cripple Syria. “There is now an uncertainty over future policy. People want to know if they invest now they can be sure for 20 years,” he says. Assad’s emergency measures mean oil prices and inflation rates are now unpredictable. “When investors don’t have certainty, because you just sacked all the economic reformers, they won’t invest,” he adds. The analyst says that it is possible there could be rolling blackouts in Syria as the government is unable to attract foreign investment for new electricity plants.

Unlike in Egypt, where the educated middle class used their knowledge of the Internet and the media to help oust President Hosni Mubarak, in Syria it is the poverty-stricken masses that have led the protests while the growing business classes have sat tight. Soon, however, many of Syria’s business class — who are generally undecided on the anti-Assad demonstrations — will start to feel the pinch when they can’t afford to send their kids to schools or pay for hospital bills. The Damascus economist says that would be the beginning of the end for Assad. He says: “The business community does business with [Assad] cronies in government. They are willing to take some losses, but at one point they will demand reforms.

Regulatory watch: Syria
Economist Intelligence Unit – Business Middle East
1 June 2011

EU suspends aid. The Council of the EU on May 23rd announced that it has decided to suspend aid programmes for Syria in light of the ongoing repression of peaceful protests. This could potentially inflict serious damage on Syria’s economic prospects, as the EU has been one of the most important sources of finance for development projects for a number of years, even though the two sides have yet to sign an Association Agreement, the standard framework for economic co-operation between the EU and Mediterranean Basin states. The EU stated that it had decided to suspend all preparations in relation to new co-operation programmes and to suspend ongoing programmes under the Euroepan Neighbourhood Initiative and Mésures d’Accompagnement (Meda) instruments. EU members states would be reviewing their own bilateral aid programmes, and the EU Council asked the European Investment Bank (EIB) “to not approve new EIB financing operations in Syria for the time being”.

The statement said that the EU will consider the suspension of further assistance to Syria “in light of developments”. It also stated that signing of the Association Agreement is now not on the agenda. The agreement had been initialled in 2004, but plans to sign it the following year were scrapped owing to a worsening in relations over Syrian actions in Lebanon. As relations improved from mid-2008, the EU sought to revive the Association Agreement, whose principal feature is the lifting of trade barriers. However, the Syrian government objected to the insertion of fresh clauses about human rights, and a plan to sign the agreement in late 2009 was cancelled. There has been little progress since.

The lack of an Association Agreement has not been a bar to EU development assistance. The EU has provided more than €1.1bn in finance to Syria, with most of this being disbursed over the past decade. Energy has been a major beneficiary, with €615m of loans provided by the EIB for the construction of power stations and transmission and distribution systems. It is not clear what impact the EU’s latest action will have on Syria’s largest new power station project, involving the construction of a 724-mw combined cycle plant near Deir al-Zor by a consortium of Italy’s Ansaldo Energia and Metka of Greece. A signing ceremony was held in early February for loans provided by the Saudi Fund for Development and the Kuwait-based Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development, which together are financing about one-third of the estimated US$950m costs. The EIB has also been listed by the government as a major source of finance for the project, but the proposed loan from the bank could come into question as a result of the EU Council’s decision.

The EU is an important trading partner of Syria and a significant source of economic aid. In 2009 the EU accounted for 30% of Syria’s exports (mainly oil bought by Germany, Italy and France) and 23.5% of Syria’s imports. However, Iraq has recently emerged as the largest buyer of Syrian goods, accounting for 26% of total exports in 2009, and Turkey’s share of the Syrian import market has grown rapidly on the back of a free-trade agreement, reaching 7.6% in 2009. There is a risk that the unrest will hamper trade with these two countries.

G-8: Nations, Banks to Give $40B for Arab Spring, 2011-05-27

DEAUVILLE, France (AP) — Rich countries and international lenders are aiming to provide $40 billion in funding for Arab nations trying to establish true democracies, officials said at a Group of Eight summit Friday.

Officials didn’t fully detail the sources of the money, or how it would be used, but the thrust was clearly to underpin democracy in Egypt and Tunisia — where huge public uprisings ousted autocratic regimes this year — and put pressure on repressive rulers in Syria and Libya.

The overall message from President Barack Obama and the other G-8 leaders meeting in this Normandy resort appeared to be warning autocratic regimes in the Arab world that they will be shut out of rich-country aid and investment, while new democracies are encouraged to open their economies….

Tunisia’s government said it was asking the G-8 for $25 billion over the next five years, and Egypt says it will need between $10 to $12 billion for the fiscal year that begins in July to cover its mounting expenses…..

WSJ [Reg]: Shell Faces NGO Pressure To Withdraw From Syria
2011-05-27

LONDON (Dow Jones)–Royal Dutch Shell PLC (RDSB.LN) is coming under pressure in the Netherlands to withdraw from Syria because of the Syrian government’s violent reprisals against pro-democracy demonstrators. Dutch non-governmental organization IKV …

The EU lays off hundreds of Syrians

أنهى الاتحاد الأوربي عقود مئات العاملين معه في مشاريعه في سورية وذلك بعد قرار تعليق جميع برامج التعاون مع سورية على خلفية استمرار “عمليات القمع” على حد ادعاءاتهم “ضد السكان المدنيين”.متناسين أن من يقتل هم المخربين وحملة السلاح المتأمر

وشكل مجموعة من الذين أنهى الاتحاد عقودهم صفحة على الفيس بوك يطالبون فيها بتعويضاتهم المالية وحقوقهم المنصوص عليها في عقود التوظيف، وأكدوا استمرارهم في المطالبة حتى الحصول على حقوقهم.

وتشير إحدى الموظفات في إحدى برامج الاتحاد انه وبدون سابق إنذار اخبرنا مدير البرنامج وهو أوربي الجنسية ان نغادر المكاتب وننهي العمل في يوم الخميس 26/5/2011، وتقول ان المدير ذاته كان يرفض مغادرة سورية لكنه غير رايه بشكل مفاجئ

why-discuss said:

Murat said:” …better one is to bankrupt the country through on-going economic paralysis. This will hit the elite classes where they will feel it – their pocketbook. Once their financial security is threatened, they will quickly get rid of Bashar”

I disagree with that ’stategy’ and in general on the described dangers of bankruptcy of the Syrian government.

This is the assumption Israel has for Gaza: We squeeze then economically and they will turn against their leaders.

The same assumption they had in 2006 : We harass them until they turn against Hezbollah.

Unfortunately this may work in western democracies, but in the middle east it can be the exact opposite!

None of the Arab leaders who fell were under any sanctions. In the contrary they were pampered by the Western countries, not for their democratic achievements, but because they has submitted to Number One Rule of the western countries: DO NOT THREATEN ISRAEL.

In Syria, this rule has been rejected by the Assad and the country has been burdened by sanctions for decades.

My view is that if more economical hardship is felt in Syria because of new sanctions, the Syrians will spontaneously regroup around their president and put the blame on the opposition and on the western countries.

So in the long run, these sanctions will have the exact opposite effect.

In addition, it will allow countries like Russia, China and Iran to find a open ground for more economical influence and sustained presence.

So the bankruptcy and isolation of Syria may reinforce Bashar Al Assad control of the country.

He still have at least one strong ally: Russia that is now courted by the western countries to save them from the Libya quagmire.

Contrary to the US, Russia does not dump its long term allies when they are in trouble.

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101. Nafdik said:

Jihad,

I am very proud to be syrian, and very proud of many things mentioned in your article.

I am very ashamed however, that such an article is written in the name of syria. Syria does not need to be defended with such a language and both jordanians and syrians are proud, generous and courageous people who have a lot to be proud of and both are ruled by rotten dictators whose time has expired.

As for who is better rania or asma, i really do not give a shit.

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May 29th, 2011, 12:21 am

 

102. majedkhaldoon said:

Syau
Xray is needed to determine the track of the bullet, and the cause of death, Xray is needed to diagnose fractures,neck fracture can be diagnosed by Xray.Dr Sha33ar exam was cursory exam.

You said you are certain it was not the work of security forces, what is your evidence?

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May 29th, 2011, 12:26 am

 

103. N.Z. said:

Do you know why they are masked?

Because they are not as brave as others. Because the security of the Killing Apparatus will identify them, they will either torture them or kill them later.

These senseless killings must stop.

The protesters have every right to take to the streets and demand regime change, robbing Syrians from their dignity by humiliating, killing and harassing them and their loved ones is ruthless and akin to all Mafias.

Rather than asking Salman Khalidi, about Jordan, I will like to ask why are the guns pointed inward, towards my countrymen and not toward Israel, the occupier?

Demanding regime change is not a crime. Denying men and women of their basic rights is.

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May 29th, 2011, 12:26 am

 

104. majedkhaldoon said:

(Hamza Khateeb)
If cutting the genital,was done after death,the vessles will contain clotted blood, if it was done while he was alive , the vessles will be empty of clotted blood.

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May 29th, 2011, 12:48 am

 

105. Abughassan said:

I still like the article despite the strong language used. Most syrians are actually comfortable with syria’s foreign policy. Our problems are in other venues and I am still hopeful syrians in Syria will find a way out of this crisis. We have nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to how we treated our Arab neighbors. Qatar and others are the ones who have a lot of explanations to do.

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May 29th, 2011, 12:49 am

 

106. Louai said:

Dear Majedkhaldoon

2 Questions please, in your opinion did they torture him then shoot him in his arm, or they shoot him three bullets then decided to tutored him?
Another question if its not too much , if you discover one day some how that the poor kid was not tortured by the security forces but by some other group just to further the opposition cause what would you think about this opposition?
Thank you

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May 29th, 2011, 1:26 am

 

107. daleandersen said:

Memo to Abughassan:

Re: “We have nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to how we treated our neighbors.”

So you think it was okay for Syria to treat Lebanon like a colony? You feel comfortable being an imperialist?

So you think it’s okay for Syria to harbor terrorist organizations that plotted and carried out acts of violence against Turkey and Egypt?

http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2009/01/ismail-haniya-pictured-above-is-stupid.html

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May 29th, 2011, 1:34 am

 

108. Alex said:

Thanks WD (91).

So, indeed they will wait until there is a strong and compatible leader in Egypt or Tunisia to give it to (… through many phases)

What happens if the country experiences serious economic difficulties before that strong westernized leader is chosen?

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May 29th, 2011, 1:39 am

 

109. jad said:

How cute of Alsharq Alawsat this article, and NO! the protesters are not sectarian at all and if you dare to say that you are pro-dictatorship. Wisal TV channel is the leader and engine of the ‘revolution’ and it’s very objective and pro democracy but anti-women, anti-freedom, anti-kuffar and anti-anybody and everything not salafi.
Very cute indeed and so hilarious what they are doing in Homs:

حماه رفعت شعار «جاي دورك نصر الله».. والشيخ العرعور تصدر هتافات السوريين

لم ينس المتظاهرون الهتاف لتركيا

دمشق – لندن: «الشرق الأوسط»
برز هذا الأسبوع اسم الشيخ عدنان العرعور، ابن مدينة حماه، كأحد أهم محركي الاحتجاجات في الشارع السوري، وكان لافتا يوم «جمعة حماة الديار»، وليلة الخميس السابقة له، تلبية دعوة الشيخ إلى التكبير على أسطح المنازل، مما يشير إلى حجم الدور الكبير الذي يلعبه العرعور في تحريك المظاهرات، من خلال قناة «الوصال» الدينية التي تتهمها السلطات السورية بممارسة التحريض ضد النظام.
ففي حمص ومن ثم في حماه، وحتى قرية الحراك في درعا، كان الهتاف: «يا لحراك كبري وثوري كله لعيون الشيخ العرعور.. لعيون سوريا الحرة». وفي حماه هتف المتظاهرون: «ثورتنا عال العال.. شكرا شكرا يا وصال». ولم ينس المتظاهرون الإشارة إلى الدور التركي في هتافاتهم، فرددوا: «بالعربي بالتركي.. بشار رايح يبكي».

كما أقيم ما قيل عنه إنه معرض للشعارات في حماه على جدار مبنى المحافظة وسط المدينة، في تحدٍّ كبير للسلطات؛ حيث كتبت أسماء ثلاثة مسؤولين بعثيين اتهموا بالتآمر على شباب حماه، كما كتبوا «يسقط الاحتلال الأسدي» و«ويبقى الشعب.. حماه لن تنسى 50 ألف شهيد 1982» و«الشعب يصنع ثورته.. كلنا نكره بشار وعائلته». ولعل الأبرز في تلك الشعارات حصة حزب الله من الاستياء السوري، وبالأخص بعد خطابه الأخير الذي أعلن فيه دعمه للنظام السوري، ومن ضمن ما كتب بالعربية والإنجليزية والفارسية: «جاي دورك يا نصر الله.. يسقط النظام الإيراني والنظام السوري».

يُشار إلى أن التجمع الكبير الذي شهدته ساحة العاصي، وسط حماه، ظهرت فيه سيدة تكبر عبر الميكروفون وجماهير الشباب ورجال حماه يرددون خلفها التكبير. وردد سكان حماه هتافات أيضا للتذكير بأحداث الثمانينات وبأن هناك نحو 12 ألف مفقود من تلك الفترة ما زال الأهالي يطالبون السلطة بالكشف عن مصيرهم.

ولا يختلف الأمر في مدينة حمص التي حصلت على الحصة الأكبر من بؤر الاحتجاج وأيضا على الحصة الأكبر من الضحايا بعد محافظة درعا، لكن في حمص للهتافات دائما نكهة طريفة لا تتمتع بها مناطق أخرى، ربما لشهرة هذه المدينة كعاصمة للنكتة. فالحماصنة، على الرغم من الدماء التي يدفعونها، لا يفوتون الفرصة لتأليف النكات، فقالوا إنهم «افتتحوا مغسلا دوليا للدبابات» وإن «الاستدلال على أي موقع في حمص يكون بحسب تمركز الدبابات، مثلا إذا سألت: أين يقع مقر البلدية؟ يكون الجواب: عند أول دبابة على اليمين». كما أعلنوا هروب أمير الجماعة السلفية بطائرة مروحية، وأخرجوا مقطع فيديو يظهر فيه دمى طائرة مروحية محاصرة من سيارتين، وصوت مذيع يروي تفاصيل عملية هروب الأمير السلفي. وقبل ذلك كله أكدوا أنهم سيخرجون «للتظاهر بعد صلاة الجمعة بالمايوهات لتأكيد عدم وجود سلفية في حمص». كما هتفوا يوم الجمعة للشيخ العرعور ورددوا «أبشر أبشر يا عرعور».

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110. jad said:

6r6our again in the local newspaper:
http://alwatan.sy/dindex.php?idn=102083

(التكبير) أسلوب جديد للتحريض والاستفزاز …مجدداً.. الوعي ثم الوعي

“ليل الخميس، فجر الجمعة، دخل إلى سورية أسلوب جديد في التحريض على التظاهر والاحتجاج، مضمون في استفزاز الصدور والتحريض الطائفي، أطلقه من ظلام بعيد ما يسمى بـ«الشيخ العرعور» من وراء شاشات إحدى قنوات الفتنة التي للأسف تبث من إحدى الدول العربية، ولها نصيب في المشاهدة من قبل بعض السوريين، ممن انطلقوا في الساعة التي حددها داعية الظلام هذا إلى شوارع بعض من المحافظات، فخرجوا لـ«التكبير» في الشوارع ومن الشرفات والأسطح تنفيذاً لتعليماته، وقد تكرر الأمر ليل الجمعة وربما يستمر إذا ما استمر البعض في الاستماع ومشاهدة هذه النماذج من قنوات الفتنة ومشايخها الموتورين.”

“وفي الحديث عن «العقل» لا بد من التذكير بضرورة استخدام العقل ليس فقط في التعاطي مع الأحداث اليومية على الأرض بل أيضاً مع ما تبثه القنوات الإخبارية من صور وشهادات تعزف على لغة «الطائفية» دون أن تستخدمها مباشرة، ولعل القصة المحزنة للطفل «حمزة» التي خرجت للعلن يوم الجمعة الماضي واحدة من أكثر القصص طائفية في ما تحمله من معاني وخفايا واستخدام واستثمار.
السؤال الذي يطرح نفسه في مثل هذه الحالات: ماذا كان يفعل «الطفل» في ساعة متأخرة من الليل في ميدان معركة كانت تدور بين الجيش وعناصر مسلحة في محيط سكن الضباط في بلدة صيدا؟ حسب ما قالت مصادر الاعلام السوري أو ماذا كان يفعل بالشارع بشكل عام ونحن نريد جواباً على ذلك؟
ودون التفكير في الجواب انطلقت آلة التحريض الطائفي على «فيسبوك»، وفي قنوات التلفزة والمقاهي وبدأت الدعوات من هنا وهناك للتظاهر من جديد نصرة للطفل الشهيد في محاولة بشعة لاستثمار دمائه بتظاهرات لن تؤدي إلى أي مكان، وهدفها التحريض ثم التحريض والتحريض، خاصة حين نعلم أن هناك أطفالاً آخرين قتلوا ومثل بجثثهم لا بل قطعت أوصالهم ولم يتحدث عنهم أحد في تلك المنابر ولم يبك عليهم رواد «فيسبوك» المناصرون للحرية، كما لم يؤسس لهم أحد صفحات خاصة، ولم يدع أي مكون من مكونات الشعب السوري للتظاهر، والجميع اعتبر الأطفال شهداء الوحدة الوطنية وانتهت قصتهم المحزنة بالنسبة للعامة عند هذا الحد وبقي أهلهم مع مأساتهم وذكرياتهم وألمهم، مثلهم مثل أهل كل شهداء سورية من الطرفين.”

“لسنا بصدد الدفاع عن الدولة أو الأجهزة ونحن نضم صوتنا إلى صوت كل من طالب بقيام طبيب شرعي من خارج سورية (مع احترامنا للأطباء السوريين) لإجراء فحص للجثة واستخلاص النتائج لتكون الحقيقة جلية أمام الجميع، مع سؤالنا الوحيد: ماذا كان يفعل الطفل في هذا المكان وهذا الزمان؟ ونطلق نحن بدورنا السؤال: من القاتل الحقيقي لحمزة؟”

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May 29th, 2011, 2:18 am

 

111. Usama said:

Thank you Jad for the Abu Hilala article, and for the 7amza video.

About the Arab Times article, I agree that the language used is uncharacteristic of an educated writer, but I still had fun reading it :)

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May 29th, 2011, 2:27 am

 

112. Murat said:

JL,

Ref: why-discuss said: Murat said…

I don’t find your arguments persuasive. There is not enough room here to detail the differences between the Hamas / Hezbollah examples you provide and an engineered Syrian internal economic implosion but just one will suffice — both Hamas and Hezbollah are, fundamentally, religious ideological movements whereas an economic implosion will have no comparable religious roots since wealth is spread among both Alawites and Sunni mercantile elites. Ideological elites do rally around a threatened (spiritual) leader, mercantile/business elites just see the money and will abandon ship when the water rises too high.
Second, you use the notion of sanctions to make your case. I was not talking about sanctions, I was talking about internal collapse brought about by internally-generated economic deterioration/paralysis. This is entirely different. Certainly we already see outside sanctions being applied and I agree with you that these sanctions **alone** would not be sufficient. I talked instead about a “relentless, on-going economic paralysis” with a lot of blood spilled until success is achieved, precisely because the collapse will be carried on from within, not by outside powers.
Brief reply to your comments on the potential roles of Russia, China and the IRI. Russia will not take advantage of the situation but will stay on the sideline because it already knows Assad is damaged goods and it does not want to be on the wrong side of history. China is too prudent to enter such a mine field outside of Asia and the IRI is busy trying to sack its president and prepare the battlefield for its next elections…Yes, they are providing manpower and equipment to crush the opposition but they don’t have big enough pumps to keep the sinking Syrian ship afloat!
Finally, you forgot Turkey… When one sees Erdogan finally giving up on his dear friend Assad and hosting the opposition, you know Bashar’s end is near…

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May 29th, 2011, 2:48 am

 

113. Revlon said:

47. Dear MNA, you said:
“Revlon: Why would the regime deliever the body of this poor kid mutalated and tortured knowing, as you put it, that there are tens of thousands of cell phones and their cameras recording the autrocities and transmitting it to facebeek and youtube.”

Please find the answer in this announcement on facebook, Youth for Freedom page:
يا أهل النخوة نريد دعاء لأهل الشهيد حمزة الخطيب ( ولدنا وأخونا ) لأن الحكومة تلاحقهم من يوم تسليم الصور والفيديو
فأدعو لهم بالكف عنهم وكسر أيادي من يقترب منهم
فتريد الحكومة محاسبتهم بعملهم وبتقديم الصور للنشر
صبرهم يا رب وأعمي عنهم أبصار أولاد الحرام السفاحين والشبيحة ومن يدفعهم إلى ذلك

As I said earlier, the torture system do not release a soul, alive or dead, unless their abduction was witnessed or recorded.
Unwitnessed abductions end up in mass graves, and probably food for fish in the mediterranian as of latest accounts.

7amza’s abduction was witnessed by his family.

The system had two options:
- to declare that he was detained, with or without being wounded.
- to declare that he was dead and deliver the body.

One of the major achievements of the revolution is that it has rendered the system accountable to human right organisations for breach of human rights! Not delivering the body or accounting for the well being of 7amza AlKhateeb would be another documented breach.

As in all cases of mutilated/tortured martyrs, the families had to sign a pledge not to uncover the coffin or take photos or speak to anyone about the victim. This has been the policy since Asad the father. I am personally aware of one such example.

Most families have complied, for fear of reprisals on the rest of their members.

Some could not bear to hide their anguish, and went public.
They are paying the price now. They are on the run, chased by the Jr’s thugs.

Thank you for asking.

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May 29th, 2011, 3:12 am

 

114. syau said:

NZ #103,

I agree with you that protesters have every right to take to the streets and demand rights, but I would think it should be done legally and peacefully. Not in the way protests have been conducted over the past two months. There is no country in the world that will accept protests of this nature. No country would accept their citizens to be murdered and mutilated or beheaded.

There is no country in this world that would accept it’s government buildings being stormed and burned, security personnel shot at, cars destroyed and burned, private dwellings robbed and burned down, there is no country that would accept its citizens being too afraid to leave their homes because of the violence this revolution has brought with it, having to close down businesses or retrench staff because of the way this revolution has crippled small and large businesses and the tourism sectors.

Innocent people have been murdered and subjected to all kinds of horrific acts. Soldiers killed, some wounded. Weapons in the hands of trigger happy gangs with no morals, who stand for nothing and would believe anything they are told, even if they are advised it is halal to do something they know deep down is wrong.

They listen to the calls for jihad which is taken totally out of context by the ones declaring it and they listen to the calls to protest while masked. Peaceful protesters would not do that.

Legitimate organisers or activists of a revolution would not ask people to risk their lives for the cause while they are sitting in the safety of their homes watching the events unfold. They would not call for outside interference of their country knowing full well what that would mean. This is not a legitimate revolution.

Is that the rights you talk about? Take a look at these peaceful protests and listen to what the Syrian people think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOI20t7cR6c&feature=channel_video_title

This revolution was about demands for reforms. Those demands were heard. It’s about time these violent demonstrations ceased and allow the reforms, which are in the stages of being implemented to be implemented positevely and swiftly.

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May 29th, 2011, 3:41 am

 

115. Shai said:

Some possible interesting similarities I find here:

The Palestinians are about to prove the current Israeli government irrelevant in their pursuit of freedom, as they step up to the podium and get the entire world’s support for (eventual) statehood. Economic sanctions upon Israel are now just a question of time.

At the same time, Europe and the U.S. are about to prove the current Syrian government irrelevant in the Syrian peoples’ pursuit of freedom, as they prepare tougher and tougher response to the regime’s ruthlessness. Economic sanctions upon Syria are already in motion.

It seems in both cases, the future of Syria and of Israel will not be determined by its current leaders, but rather by its own citizens.

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May 29th, 2011, 3:59 am

 

116. Revlon said:

Rastan and Talbeeseh (Homs governerate) are bearing the brunt of Jr’s Wa2dulfitnah now!
13 wounded in total reported thus far.
The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
سبعة جرحى لان في الرستن … وتلبيسه مداهمات واطلاق وتخويف للاهالي ..
هكذا بدأ اليوم هذا النظام الظالم .. ونحن نبدأ .. لا رجوع عن الحرية مهما كان الثمن.

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13 minutes ago

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May 29th, 2011, 4:58 am

 

117. Revlon said:

109.
“How cute of Alsharq Alawsat this article, and NO! the protesters are not sectarian at all and if you dare to say that you are pro-dictatorshi”

Like it or not, the majority of Syrians are moderate, conservative Sunnis. They value Islam teachings and respect their Sheikhs.
Their means of activism have been peaceful; including marching, chanting national unity and freedom slogans, and burining and destroying symbols of tyranny.

You and other regime lovers can claim all you want that this regime is secular.
Facts speak louder than your words
Let me remind you once more who your camp are:

- Jr: 3alawi
- Brother: 3alawi
- Cousin: 3alawi,
- All of the Hundreds of Second and third tiers of security and army leadership: 3alawis
- They have been persuing operation Wa2dulfitnah, authorised by 3alawi Jr.
- They have mobilised 3alawi-commanded security forces, 3alawi commanded paramilitias, and 3alawi commanded army units
- They have employed all means of deadly weapons and tortutre claiming over a thousand fatality, thousands of wounded, thousands in detention and being tortured, and God only knows how many incommunicados!
- Now, we also now that, even their chief medical examiner, charged with providing professional cover up of atrocities, is also 3alawi!

Do you still find it difficult to see who is sectarian and who is practicing violence?

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May 29th, 2011, 5:45 am

 
 

119. Sophia said:

# 116 Revlon,

Comments from people like you go directly to trash and spam on my blog.

You have to recognise how generous and open Alex is to let you fan sectarian flames comment after comment after comment.

I try to imagine the anonymous people on this blog and your image is of Satan pouring oil on the flames, and enjoying it.

I have already appointed you the correspondant of Al-Jazeera on this blog. I think you will get a better pay of you work for them.

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May 29th, 2011, 6:16 am

 

120. syau said:

Revlon, #116,

The only ugly sectarianism is the seed that was planted by the revolutionists and the growing stem of sectarianism which are your comments. Count how many times you mentioned Alawi.

The government is the government. It should not matter what religion the president is, what should matter is he is the leader of the country. The ugly sectarian comments are the ones that refer to the president as the Alawi. Do not forget that many of the prominent ministers are Sunni and those of other sects.

The majority of the Syrian population is Sunni and are supportive of the president and against this violent revolution. The only ones who add their sectarian venom are the Islamists and their sheikhs declaring Jihad against the government and endorsing horrendous acts.

The group behind this revolution along with their co conspirators are the ones trying to divide Syria and the diversity the citizens know and have been living peacefully with until this revolution.

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May 29th, 2011, 6:18 am

 

121. Abdo said:

American and European aid is just a “commitment” (verbal propaganda for jourlistic purposes). No country has ever received the commitment figure in human history! So there is no use to begin discussion from the commitment figure. The actual disbursement has always been much much smaller.

I don’t believe that the west is ready to provide more aid to Arabs than to Israelis. So aid programs from the OECD countries are not so attractive as one may think. US and EU are facing serious financial problems of their own. I don’t think that their aid policy is sustainable. China alone can offer more.

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May 29th, 2011, 6:42 am

 

122. Nafdik said:

Sophia,

Revlon comment was not sectarian. He was explaining how the assad family has exploited sectarian feelings in syria to build its dictatorship.

If you disagree you can counter him with facts or arguments, countering with slogans shows that you agree with him but want to avoid the topic.

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May 29th, 2011, 7:08 am

 

123. vlad-the-syrian said:

Sophia

salut !

j’ai arrêté de participer aux commentaires ici pour diverses raisons, entre autres les positions sectaires anti-alawites

si je peux me permettre un conseil : va plutôt commenter sur les médias français (Libé, Lefigaro et surtout Le Monde) ce serait plus efficace.

Un exemple : Libération

Damas frappe au Liban pour dissuader l’UE

http://www.liberation.fr/monde/01012340073-damas-frappe-au-liban-pour-dissuader-l-ue

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May 29th, 2011, 7:30 am

 

124. majedkhaldoon said:

#106 Louai
Do I believe the kid was tortured, absolutely.
If you remember, at the begining of this revolution,it started by the oppression and torture forces arrested kids,because they wrote we need to down the regime,they took them to jail tortured them pulled their nail,and told their families to go to their wives and have new kids,and forget about those kids, who they are in jail.
Torture is always done by these forces.
the second question , I say it is impossible,you have to prove it.

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May 29th, 2011, 7:31 am

 

125. EX3LAWI said:

To #118 & #119: The Syrian regime is clearly a sectarian one – there is absolutely no point in arguing otherwise. Revlon’s comment is factual and the way you chose to counter him with a bunch of ad hominem attacks proves that you have no argument – how does mentioning “3lawi” make anyone sectarian? Do you realize how ridiculously oversensitive you’re being here?

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May 29th, 2011, 7:52 am

 

126. Revlon said:

118. Sophia,
The self satisfaction that I get from speaking my mind, is priceless.
Neither Al Jazeera, nor any other media have the money to buy it out.

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May 29th, 2011, 7:59 am

 

127. darryl said:

To Vedat The Turk (#71)

Bashar Al-assad, did not say what you write. You either do not understand english well. He was even more clear in arabic. Infact yoy are pushing the same statement that Netenyahu was claiming when he was corrected by Haaretz reporters in israel who corrected their prime minster.

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May 29th, 2011, 8:03 am

 

128. Revlon said:

119. syau,
- You said: “Count how many times you mentioned Alawi”
I say: You did not refute any of my claims!

- You said: “The government is the government. It should not matter what religion the president is, what should matter is he is the leader of the country”

I say: The government (that include Sunnis and Christians) is harmless. Ministers, parilamentarians and Baath party members in this regime are as important as “empty bottles”. Their main function is to wait recycling.

The root of the problem is the ruling clan, and it is purely 3alawi
They are above the law and the constitution, that they wrote.
They can suspend, append or edit their constitution, in the name of progress, or national unity.
They can impose, lift, and re-name emergency laws, as they fit for their “national”sentiment.

- You said: “The majority of the Syrian population is Sunni and are supportive of the president and against this violent revolution”

I say: Aside from the 99% phony min7ibbak refeerendum, do you have any evidence to support such claim?

This revolution aims at regaining their God given freedom of choice. If you value such human right, then I invite you to join the revolution’s call for early Presidential national elections!

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May 29th, 2011, 8:24 am

 

129. Norman said:

The Syrian army is surrounding Telbesi in Homs, Apparently from what my family told me in Homs, The demonstrators are coming from outside the city and asking for directions to land marks in the city, They also mentioned that many of the demonstrations are taking place after the Friday prayers as few people mingle with the praying people and shout to down the regime and Allah Akbar La elah Ella Allah WA shaheed habib AL Allah and embarrass others to join them, they even in some occasions join a funeral for a naturally deceased person and shouting the same slogans , many times the relatives of the deceased beat them up.Apparently people are being paid to start these confrontations,and with the poor conditions that the Syrian are in , I would not be surprised ,

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May 29th, 2011, 8:38 am

 

130. syau said:

Revlon,

From what I have seen in this ‘revolution’ is that it does not matter how much reform is implemented or what is done to improve the lives of the Syrians, it is not enough for you and other ‘revolutionists’ and thats because you do not care for the welfare of the Syrians, only your end agenda.

I hold great value for the ‘God given freedom of choice’, that is why I am absolutely against this violent ridiculous farce of a revolution and all it, and it’s co conspirators stand for.

For anyone to call for violent demonstrations, endorse murder and mutilation, call for outside interference in their country and dare to use Gods name whilst condoning and executing such acts deserves nothing but disrespect.

For a group of people to attempt division amongst the Syrians in the most abhorrent way deserves nothing but disrespect.

What is phony here is the Syrian revolution. Do I need to remind you of the masses of phony videos you have linked?

You comments “the root of the problem is the ruling clan, and it is purely 3alawi” disgusts me. The vice president is not Alawi, neither are many of the prominent government figures. His wife is not Alawi, neither is the majority of the military. Why aren’t Alawi, most of the Sunni population,Christians Druz and Aethiests bothered by this, because they don’t have the black stream of sectarianism running through their veins.

The “empty bottles” you talk about have the welfare of Syria at heart and are working alongside the president with reforms.
You and your group of revolutionists on the other hand can only play the sectarian game and hope for division.
Syrians are smarter than that, and that is why the majority of the country is not uprising as you would have hoped.

This revolution was based on a lie. It continues with its failing fabrications and still endorses violence and murder. The Syrian people will not allow such evil to succeed in their country.

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May 29th, 2011, 9:14 am

 

131. Norman said:

The good thing is that where ever the army interfere calm returns ,

The ramification of these demonstrations are more than reform they are intended on destroying the resistance camp and return Syria to the fifties when she was a banana republic under the thumb of Saudi Arabia and the US ,

Syria should move on reeform ,

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May 29th, 2011, 9:31 am

 

132. Revlon said:

118. Sophia,
- You said: “Comments from people like you go directly to trash and spam on my blog”

I say: I respect both, your freedom of choice, and freedom of expression.

- You said: “You have to recognise how generous and open Alex is to let you fan sectarian flames comment after comment after comment”

I say:
First, I value how owners of this blog appreciate and respect freedom of expression.
My comments describe and highlight existing sectarian imbalances and contradictions in the regime structure as well as in the pro-regime comments on this blog.

Second, I do not see that as generosity!
I believe that my input, biased and imperfect as it may be, serves to enrich this blog with the true colors of human mind.

- You said: “I try to imagine the anonymous people on this blog and your image is of Satan pouring oil on the flames, and enjoying it”

I say: Does that include you?
If you are not Sophia Lauren, then you are anonymous too! To me!

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May 29th, 2011, 9:33 am

 

133. syau said:

Norman,

From what I have heard, the reform process has begun.

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May 29th, 2011, 9:46 am

 

134. Observer said:

It is deplorable that personal attacks for expressing views (no matter how much disagreement there is) are taking us away from the real issues at hand.

May I pose the following questions:
1. Is there a strategy that one can discern regarding how the regime has planned to deal with this crisis? I see one theme: “foreign and local jihadi elements in collusion with Israel and the US would like to topple the regime or at least change its position regarding Israeli hegemony of the region”. However, I do not see any nuances and any flexibility and any adaptation to the local regional and international shifts that are happening. I hear the commentators of the regime and they have one script that they follow: the security elements are being massacred !!!
2. Is there an economic strategy to deal with the situation? 20 billion in reserves can be spent very fast indeed; money has left the country, investments have dried up; tourism is finished; local industry cannot compete with the Turks let alone the Chinese; travel out of the country will be blocked and visas restricted; so is the regime willing to stay in power over a garbage dump?
3. What room for wiggle diplomatically does the regime have? I see dwindling allies, distancing of major supporters, Russia puts up resistance only to be brushed aside or bribed again and again; China has no strategic interest in Syria and Iran’s influence is diminishing by the minute as the Arab Spring is reasserting the Arab identity again and Egypt is slowly ans surely regaining its rightful place.
4. What back room deals can the regime do in the face of a population that is clearly extremely frustrated and resentful of a (yes call a spade a spade) sectarian corrupt and brutal dictatorship.
5. Elements of the regime that are vitriolic about Aljazeera and other channels must be still watching these channels and therefore my question is there an information strategy on the part of the regime? Why if the regime is so sure about its narrative are outside journalists barred from the country? Isn’t allowing competing journalists access the best way to go forward?

Finally, in response to Sophia I would have two quotes for the ills of liberal democracy:
” Democracy is the worst form of rule except for all the others” meaning that it is never perfect but the ability to debate and argue and present differences is the means for progress and continued attempt to redress injustice. The liberalization of the Syrian economy was meant to enrich the few with the deck stacked against the rest from the outset.
” Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. If the regime can kill and torture children and then lie about it then there is no hope for this regime to ever conduct any true and meaningful reforms.

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May 29th, 2011, 10:01 am

 

135. Tara said:

I googgled sectarianism and that is what I got:

“Sectarianism, according to one definition, is bigotry, discrimination or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between different denominations of a religion. The ideological underpinnings of attitudes and behaviors labeled as sectarian are extraordinarily varied. Member of a religious group may believe that their own salvation, or the success of their particular objectives… require their internal opponents must be purged.”

The regime is indeed secular. It does not try to enforce Alawite teaching on anybody. I do not believe it genuinely cares about the well-being of alawites in any shape or form. The regime only cares about its existence (case in example: Aref Dalila). It would be as brutal to alwites as to any other sect if they to dissent. The regime is however continuing to mobilize some Alawites (shabiha) into supporting it by using sectarianism to its advantage, brainwashing them that their survival hood requires the internal opponents be purged. This is what I meant when I said in earlier comment that the regime is trying to rob Alawithood from Alawites. I do not believe all Alawites condone the brutal killings of innocent people or the blatant abuse of human rights that is practiced in Syria every day. I do believe however that a lot of Alawites are concerned about repercussion on their wellbeing if the regime to fall.

I can not deny some sectarian tone I also see on the Syrian revolution face book readers’ comments. To some non-Alawites Syrian citizen, watching the brutal crackdown of the plain clothed shabihas and others in uniform ordered by the regime (that is mostly compromised of hardliners Alawites) fuel anti-alawite sentiment as the killing render them unable to seeing the big picture as it is: The regime only cares about its survival! It is using sectarianism as a tool to keep its existence.

Some of you accused me of being jihadist (Tara= terror according to one) and others of being Zionist. I stated before I am neither. I do not support the regime. I do not support a MB rule in Syria. I do not want to wear a hijab. I do not want to attend a college or a gathering segregated by gender. I do not want Shariaa law. I do not want someone to impose Islamic rules on me. My relationship to god is a personal one. I support a secular government that is built on institutions and strong infra-structure. I am all for free judicial system, free election, term limit, dissolution of all 17 security forces, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, dissolution of Rami Makhlouf empire, free media coverage etc etc. and I would not care a bit if this all to be lead by a brave Alawites. This might be the only peaceful solution of the crisis in Syria. Bashar should resign or be toppled by an honest charismatic Alawite who should lead a true transition in Syria. This would relieve Alawites concern about any possible repercussion from the Al-Assad family fall, prevent any foreign intervention, and achieve a true reform not a pseudo declaration of such. His term should end with free election of the next leader.

Bashar can not simply do this. He has blood on his hands and he reached a point of no return.

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May 29th, 2011, 10:18 am

 

136. Sophia said:

# 120 Nafdik,

I don’t carry slogans in my comments. My comment to Revlon is called moral judgement.

Revlon commenting with facts and arguments? If you consider the propaganda he is spreading as facts, it is up to you. As for arguments, the only one he has is the sectarian argument.

The ugly truth is sectarianism is resurfacing in Syria and all seem to be involved, not the least those who are attacking the regime for being sectarian and their propagandists. Sectarianism is a beast that eats at everything, including facts and arguments.

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May 29th, 2011, 10:57 am

 

137. Sophia said:

# 129 Revlon,

“My comments describe and highlight existing sectarian imbalances”.

It is highly sectarian to write in these terms. Because if you recognise that there is sectarian imbalance than you are sectarian yourself and your thinking is sectarian.

But I must admit, people like you who did not have to get near the beast, think that sectarianim is something that can serve as a political argument. But as you don’t have to get near it because you must live in a theocratic demcoracy (which is an oxymoron), you can throw it on Syrians and let them deal with it with their blood, their security, and their well being. This is why I still think that for your comments to be tolerated on this blog is quite an achievement. It means that real Syrians like Alex are not sectarian or they don’t know what sectarianism is, not yet…

Sectarianism is like racism you must experience it in order to really know it.

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May 29th, 2011, 11:06 am

 

138. Sophia said:

# 121 Vlad,

Je ne veux pas commenter sur les sites des media français. Ils sont très obtus et ils sont totalement dépassés. Leur rôle au moyen orient est insignifiant même si Sarko s’agite pour donner l’impression contraire que la France joue encore dans la cour des grands.

Cela fait longtemps que la France n’est plus une puissance mondiale et que le débat en France est plus étroit que n’importe où ailleurs sur les affaires du monde. Il y a cependant un blog français que je lis sur le moyen orient, c’est celui de Alain Gresh mais je ne commente pas là-bas car je suis souvent d’accord avec lui et que les commentateurs sont vraiment bons, ils n’ont pas besoin de moi.

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May 29th, 2011, 11:12 am

 

139. why-discuss said:

Daleandersen

“So you think it’s okay for Syria to harbor terrorist organizations that plotted and carried out acts of violence against Turkey and Egypt? ”

Turkey and Egypt? please explain.

Syria harbors the resistance to a terrorist state, yours.

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May 29th, 2011, 11:23 am

 

140. why-discuss said:

Vald the turk

# 121

Je pense que les francais aiment les theories de complot.
Le prochain tsunami sera attribue a Damas pour prouver combien la France sait mieux que les autres.

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May 29th, 2011, 11:32 am

 

141. Sophia said:

Washington will let Ankara handle the Syrian crisis.
http://www.aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=623855&issueno=11869
This means that the neocons (including Feltman) are out, for the time being. It means also that Obama is trying to make his voice heard against necon voices in the region.

And it means also that my comment yesterday on a reconfiguration of alliances in the middle east was on spot. If the process is allowed to go a long way this reconfiguration will happen.

But let’s not be too optimistic.

For now things are moving well in Assad’s direction, no regional player, except Israel, has interest in plunging Syria and the region in cascading civil wars.

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May 29th, 2011, 11:58 am

 

142. ss said:

Tara;
“The regime is however continuing to mobilize some Alawites (shabiha) into supporting it by using sectarianism to its advantage, brainwashing them that their survival hood requires the internal opponents be purged”

Yesterday a lot of angry Alawite were going to attack Sunni areas where the thugs are declaring their Jihad. The army was extremely harsh on them and prevented them from reaching there target. The goverment will gain nothing by mutillating kids. The goverment will gain nothing by allowing sectarian war to happen. The giverment will gain nothing by inflamming the already angry people. The Syrian goverment does not want to escalate, rather, it really wants to calm things down. Security, peace,, and order is the goal of this goverment

On the other hand, the opposition, well sorry to mention this word because the majority of the opposition is legit, but a minority of the opposition is not real, they are armed, they want chaos, they want to do all they can to creat a an enviroment of killing and destruction to give a pass for forien countries to intervene. Unfortunatley with there acts many civilians, kids, and innocent people are being killed, by arms from both sides. They are simply caught in this nasty conflict.

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May 29th, 2011, 1:51 pm

 

143. jad said:

#116
You are as sectarian as 6r6our, even more, like it or like it,you couldn’t last more than 2 rational comments before you get back to your nature. I have no clue why people even defend you unless they are 6r6our/sarsour’s views supporters.
Sophia, Syau you both are right, when someone defend 6r6our/sarsour is a prove of his 6r6ourian thinking.

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May 29th, 2011, 2:19 pm

 

144. jad said:

From Arab Times mail:

هام جدا لمن يريد الحقيقة

الى اسرة عرب تايمز

من حرقة قلبي أكتب لكم وأقسم بالله بأني لست بعثية ولم يكن لي في يوم من الأيام أي اتجاهات سياسية وأكره السياسة كراهية كبيرة ولكن الأحداث التي تجري والتي تعصر قلوبنا جعلتني أتابع مايجري في بلدي الحبيب وبالصدفة وصلت إلى موقعكم الذي أثلج قلبي أن هناك أحدا في الخارج يعرف ولو القليل عما يجري في الداخل
اليوم رأيت جثة الطفل اللذي قالوا أنه عذب من قبل الأمن واعتصر قلبي الألم الشديد ولكني كنت على يقين أن الأمن بريء مما نسب إليه هل تعلمون لماذا
سأقص عليكم هذه القصة ومنها نستنتج ما يجري (عذرا فأنا مبرمجة ولهذا أسلوب البرمجة يتغلب على نقاشي)أنا من حلب والكل يعلم المواقف التي اتخذها من يسمون أنفسهم بالمتظاهرين من أهالي حلب
أحد معارفي وهو مسافر مع زوجته وأطفاله على طريق حلب دمشق أوقفته مجموعة مسلحة وأنزلتهم من السيارة وبدأت بشتمهم وسبهم ونعتهم بالجبن لأن أهالي حلب لايخرجون بالمظاهرات ومن ثم سألوه ببرود أي أولادك أحب إليك؟ومن ثم اختاروا أحد أطفاله وأطلقوا عليه الرصاص بدم بارد مام أعينهم وجعلوهم يركبوا السيارة ويعودوا إلى مدينتهم
أين هي الحرية في هذا العمل؟ هل الحرية في الخروج عنوة في المظاهرات؟ هل الحرية في قتل طفل بريء ليس له ذنب سوى أنه حلب؟
من يفعل هذا العمل من السهل عليه أن يختطف طفلا ويعذبه ويمثل به ومن ثم يتهم الأمن بهذه الفعلة من أجل تشويه صورة النظام ومن ثم يثيروا حقد عائلة الطفل ومن الممكن أن يكون انتماؤه إلى عشيرة فتنضم العشيرة كلها إلى قافلة المتظاهرين ويكونوا هم الرابحين
أرجوكم أرجوكم اذكروا هذه القصة لأن لاأحد يذكرها فالخوف يلجم الألسنة

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May 29th, 2011, 2:23 pm

 

145. Nafdik said:

Jad,

I know you are well meaning and want the best for syria, but when you copy a comment from a site or a reader letter there really is no credibility.

I know you will tell me that the other side does e same but since you constantly complain about the other side why do you do the same?

This incident could or could not have happened but the fact that somebody typed it somewhere gives it no credibility. And repeating such things makes your whole point of view (which i highly respect) less credible.

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May 29th, 2011, 2:56 pm

 

146. jad said:

Nafdik,
I’m putting it not because I trust arab times, but because when I read it I thought it’s a lie, however, when I read a news about a kid killed on the highway close to Jisr Alshghoour on Syria news while he was he was with his family I thought it maybe true.
I’m not just sharing what I read.

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May 29th, 2011, 3:24 pm

 

147. Alex said:

Nafdik, Jad,

Not that I believe this story anymore than I believe an opposition source’s story (maybe true maybe not), but one of the readers of SC wrote to the lady who wrote on Arab Times and she replied to him with the following:

الأخ ****
شكرا على مشاعركم الجميلة وأتمنى أن تبقوا على تواصل ومعرفة لما يجري في بلدنا الحبيب لكي تخبروا الجميع في ديار الغربة بالصورة الصحيحة والحقيقية الغير زائفة
العائلة تم ايقافها في حمص بالقرب من تلبيسة حيث تجري فيها احداث فظيعة اليوم حيث ذهب ضحيتها من الجيش العدد الكثير
أخي : إن ابن أخي يخدم في الجيش الخدمة الالزامية وهو في درعا وهو يزودني بأخبار يشيب لها الولدان
احدى الحوادث كان عندما كان يتناول طعام العشاء في قطعته العسكرية وفوجئوا بهجوم وحشي ذهب ضحيته أربعة من أصدقائه ماذنب هؤلاء
والله إن قلبي ينفطر عليه ولاأصدق أنه سيعود إلينا يوما
هل تعلم ماذا قال لي ضاحكا؟
لقد قال لي: عمتي بعد دراستي الجامعية طوال هذه السنين فأصبحنا نعمل الآن “أندونيسية” ويقصد بهذا كخادم
هل تعلم لماذا؟
لأنهم أصبحوا كالخدم لأهل درعا يطرقون عليهم الأبواب ويسألونهم مايحتاجونه من طعام وشراب ودواء وكل مايحتاجونه
والعالم كله يقول أن درعا محاصرة والجيش يضربها
وأقسم لك هذا ما يحصل الجيش يخدم الشعب والشعب (الذي لاعلاقة له) يطلب نزول الجيش
أما هنا في حلب فلا يعكر صفونا سوى رؤيتنا للأخبار من قنوات مغرضة فآليت على نفسي ألا أشاهد الأخبار منذ الآن

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May 29th, 2011, 3:59 pm

 

148. Louai said:

132. Tara

i enjoyed reading your comment , i am one of the people who thought you probably an extremist because of all the anger in your comments that reminded me of the anger of extremist Imams when preaching , forgive my prejudice please.

you wrote what you stand for and i admire it ,i am new here as well but a i had chance to read some of the old blogs of SC and i noticed something very important, this thing is that most of people who are seen here as ‘pro-regime’ they are NOT !! , they reflect the real national opposition in Syria most of them are not happy with the regime and used to be and still very critical to the government and demanding change BUT the difference is after what happening in Syria most of them and including me cant not call it a revolution for freedom,if you read carefully their comments they do not defend ‘the regime’ they are mostly against the violence revolutionists and against the way the change need to be achieved .

if this revolution succeeded the civil war is a guarantee and that what none of the national opposition is tolerating .

the president give promises of reform and the reform started already however its clear that there are some groups who don’t care about the reform and working against it as JAD said because their aim is to ISKAT ALNIZAM only what ever the cost is .

in the last few days we saw how important rule 3ar3oor in this revolution .its alarming that after we searched for a leader or some one who has influence of the groups who are causing the chaos to find out its 3ar3oor !!
i do not want to live in a country that people like 3ar3oor has any leading rule in..

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May 29th, 2011, 5:05 pm

 

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