Formation of SNC Military Council Causes Uproar among Fighters in Syria and Turkey

Formation of SNC military council causes uproar among fighters in Syria and Turkey

The Homs Revolutionary Council has announced that it will “not coordinate with Burhan Ghalioun in the affairs of the Military Office and its principles” because it doesn’t agree with its goals. It had a 15 minute phone call with Ghalioun. It wants “action not words.” It will retain authority over its own military strategy, “which is to bring down the regime and free Syria from the ruling gang.”

SNC Statement on the Formation of Military Bureau

….the Syrian National Council (SNC) has established a Military Bureau composed of military and civilian personnel. The Military Bureau will track the armed opposition groups, organize and unify their ranks under one central command, defining their defense missions while placing them under the political supervision of the SNC, and coordinating their activities in accordance with the overall strategy of the Revolution. The SNC will work on providing the FSA with all the support it needs to completely fulfill its defense responsibilities, including securing necessary protection for civilians, and tending to the Revolutionaries defending Syrians against the criminal regime. Bureau members will seek assistance from appropriate sources, including experts.

Free Syrian Army (FSA) chief Colonel Riad al-Asaad said that he has not been involved in the formation of a military council. “I don’t know about the objectives of this body,” said Asaad, a figurehead for the collection of army deserters and civilians who have taken up arms. (Reuters)

Ghalioun aide Ausama Monajed told reporters the military body would bring all the factions fighting the Syrian government under one umbrella, evaluate their military needs and try to match them with offers of aid from abroad.

Monajed said several countries, including Saudi Arabia, have offered to provide weapons to the rebels.

“Arms are already being smuggled whether we like it or not, so our role is to organize the process and make sure weapons don’t fall into the wrong hands on the ground,” he said.

The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
مناشدة انسانية……
حمص 1 آذار 2012
مجلس الثورة في محافظة حمص

-انسحبت كتيبة الفاروق من باباعمرو وهذا الانسحاب تكتيكي ، الحرب كر وفر ونحن انسحبنا حفاظا على أرواح الأهالي بعد هجمة النظام الشرسة .

– النظام يقوم بعملية تمشيط واسعة بعد انسحاب كتيبة الفاروق ونأمل من الله ألا تزداد الضحايا لأنه يتبع سياسة القتل الممنهج .

– معركتنا مفتوحة مع نظام بشار الأسد حتى إسقاطه بإذن الله .

- لم ننسق مع برهـــــــان غليون بشـــأن المكتب العسكري والموقف المبدئي من هذا المكتب بأننا لانتعامـــــــل معه لأننا لم نطلع على أهدافـــــــه ..
نريد أفعالا ولانريد أقوال !

– اتصلت بالأمس بالسيد برهان غليون وتحدثنا لأكثر من ربع ساعة وكانت وجهــــــات النظر مختلفـــــــــــة تمـــــــامـــاً ولم نصل لاتفـــــاق .

– نحن قبلنا بأن يكون المجلس الوطني واجهة سياسية ، لكن الشأن العسكري خاص بنــــــــــــــا ونحن نضع استراتيجيتنا العسكرية

استراتيجيتنا العسكرية هي إسقـــــاط النظام وتحرير سوريا من العصبة الحاكمـــــــة

Dennis Ross, “Time For Assad to Go” – WINEP

“it is time to raise the status of the Syrian National Council (SNC), the formal Syrian opposition. It must increasingly be seen as the recognized successor to the Assad regime — or at least the vehicle for managing the transition to a new and inclusive leadership.
Withholding recognition of the council as the alternative to Assad made sense as a way to encourage its leaders to overcome petty rivalries and develop a coherent, non-sectarian plan for shaping the future of Syria. Last week, when the “Friends of Syria” — a group that includes the U.S., Britain, France, Turkey and a number of Arab countries — met in Tunis, international leaders treated the SNC as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people. Though a step in the right direction, more will need to be done to create an aura of inevitability about the SNC as the alternative to Assad.

Post-Asad Syria: Opportunity or Quagmire?
By Patrick Clawson – WINEP – Strategic Forum, February 2012

Perception of the Power of the United States and Its Allies A strong argument can be made that U.S. prestige and influence around the world suffer if the United States issues a call for Asad’s overthrow and yet he stays in power. The United States has a compelling interest in ensuring that any time the President of the United States says something must happen, then it does happen. Indeed, a serious argument for the U.S. military commitment in Libya was that President Obama had said publicly that Qaddafi must go. Talk is not cheap; staking out a position without being willing to act undermines the credibility of every U.S…..

The U.S. call for Asad’s overthrow may provide an opportunity for Washington to claim credit for something that is going to happen anyway; in geopolitics, it is always good to be credited for making the sun rise in the east.

Were Asad to muddle through, Washington would face some difficult quandaries. So long as Asad is in power, it will be hard to walk back the sanctions imposed on Syria, yet it will be difficult to sustain economic and political isolation of the Asad regime if that government looks like it will be in power for the foreseeable future. If that isolation lessens, then the United States and its allies will look like they lost a confrontation with Asad, which would reduce their perceived clout. Asad’s overthrow is by no means assured, and U.S. instruments to advance that objective are limited. The U.S. Government decision to call for his overthrow presumably rested on a judgment that the prospects for success were good and the payoff, if successful, would be high….

Impact on Israel

It is difficult to see how Asad’s overthrow would make Syrian-Israeli peace less likely….

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451. Ghufran said:

ADO lecturing and warning the SNC after a 5 hours meeting:
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/03/198400.html

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March 4th, 2012, 12:11 am

 

452. jad said:

Who believe anything these disgusting criminals show?

مرتزقة التمرد المسلح في سورية تقتل وتنسب الامر لله‬

“تتوالى فيديوهات يصورها المجرمون أنفسهم وتفضح جرائمهم بطريقة تجعلها مبررة وفق مايروق لهم في اوقح واقذر حركة تمرد مسلح عرفها التاريخ .. فهم لا يكتفون بتكذيب أنفسهم والادعاء أنهم مجموعات سلمية غير مسلحة رغم كل الادلة الواردة منهم عبر مقاطع الفيديو التي ينشرونها يوميا وعبر تصريحات أولياء نعمتهم من العرب والغرب وإعلامهم العربي والغربي على سواء بل إنهم وفوق ذلك يخطفون الناس يتأكيد ادعاءاتهم عبر استجرار الاعترافات القسرية تحت وطأة التعذيب الشديد من المخطوفين الذي لا حول لهم ولاقوة ولا شاهد ولا دليل لديهم على ما يلقنونهم اياه من افتراءات, فبأي منطق وبأي عرف تصبح هذه الاعترافات القسرية وتحت التعذيب الهائل والغير مقترنة بأدلة اثباتات ومبررات لقتل الناس وإزهاق الروح التي حرمها الله وجعل ازهاق الواحدة منها كإزهاق أرواح الناس جميعاً !!! هذا فيديو جديد يعرّي كذب المتمردين المرتزقة في سوريا ويفضح اجرام حركتهم وعهرها والشاهد منهم والحجة عليهم قوية مكينة ماعليها غبار”

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March 4th, 2012, 12:16 am

 

453. Son of Damascus said:

Jad,

I did read it, and did not find any real evidence other than what the author is presuming and his ” ثوري تائب “.

He is claiming that the bodies were staged, below is another much more graphic scene of the aftermath. I can clearly see dead bodies and blood splatter that is indicative of an actual attack, but then again I am not a crime scene expert.


(Warning really graphic material, not for the faint of heart)

Between the reaction of the people before and after, and the mother wailing over her lost child, you can understand my suspicion to what the Ikhbariyeh and the ArabiPress had to say.

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March 4th, 2012, 12:20 am

 

454. Ghufran said:

تميم البرغوثي
This is a very good article
http://www.arabi-press.com/?page=article&id=25691

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March 4th, 2012, 12:23 am

 

455. Observer said:

[Warning. Edited for personal attack – do not accuse other commentators of complicity in ‘regime crimes’ directly or by insulting allusion

Let’s not descend, please. Try to address arguments and claims, not anyone ‘showing his true nature’ as ‘thug.” Further comments that give way to hateful language personally directed will be edited. There will be no bans in the month of March. All previous bans are rescinded.

Let us be free in our passion, reporting and argument, but steer away from the nastier type of comments that needlessly get people riled.

I know commentators will use their wisdom and self-moderate under maximum freedom.

For those who have retreated from Syria Comment or been silent recently or in the past months, if ever Syria needed credible, critical information and relatively civil argument, it is now.]

Tara and SOD, delusional Fredo worshipper is actually showing his true nature. Again like Fredo his boss under a very thin veneer of modernity he shows his true Mukhabarat thuggish nature with insults and threats.

The Syria that he defends is a figment of his imagination: it is a product of more than 40 years of the worst Corleone mafiosi rule. Institutions have been gutted to the core: Damascus University ranking is in the doldrums; the judiciary is so corrupt that a judge’s decision can be bought; the Ghouta has suffered its worst destruction in the last 40 years; draught in the NE of Syria is a direct result of the stupid policies of the regime cronies; the torture of children has become a daily occurrence; electricity is now cut in the hear of Damascus for most of the fuel goes to fill tanks and APC; pollution levels are 600 times the norm acceptable for a healthy life; roads are left without maintenance crumbling day in and day out; even the army when it left Lebanon was in such poor condition that it looked like a rag tag militia worthy of the Congo or Somalia.

The reality is that it is the very children of the Baath cadres that are revolting against the rule of a single family and a small clan of thugs and a monstrous parasitic blood sucking mafiosi state within a shambles of a state.

It is Somalyria Alassad that the delusional pro regime thin veneered thug is defending not the Syria we knew and certainly not the Syria we aspire to build.

Germs and Rats are multiplying
Cheers

He is a mafiosi

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March 4th, 2012, 12:24 am

 

456. Son of Damascus said:

Ghufran,

You are correct Homs is far from quiet, I also heard the news about Idlib. It seems the fighting there is more guerrilla warfare and away from civilians (mostly).

I also read that there was a gun fight in Aleppo that was caused by a lighting strike, it seems the thunder scared a check point manned by security service into thinking it was a bomb attack and the guards started to shoot blindly, I think this is an indication that everyone in Syria is on their nerves.

Did you hear about the attack in Banyas against the arms depot? I am not sure of the authenticity of that news, one would think an arms depot to be guarded damn well.

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March 4th, 2012, 12:30 am

 

457. Son of Damascus said:

“For those who have retreated from Syria Comment or been silent recently or in the past months, if ever Syria needed credible, critical information and relatively civil argument, it is now”

Beautifully said Moderator, thank you!!

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March 4th, 2012, 12:34 am

 

458. Ghufran said:

SOD,
There was an attack on a check point in Banyas,the small scale of the attack and the fact that there was no reported death pushed that incident to the back seat.

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March 4th, 2012, 12:46 am

 

459. jad said:

Another Sari SA3oud victim, the criminal armed militia killed a 12 years old kid and used his body for their own propaganda.
la 7awl w la qwat illa biallah!

أتصال خاص من أم شهيد مع رفيق لطف

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March 4th, 2012, 12:48 am

 

460. Son of Damascus said:

I highly recommend the article Ghufran link to above

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=13847&cp=10#comment-298979

تميم البرغوثي للسلطات السورية : إذا كان تحرير فلسطين يعني سجن الأطفال وتعذيبهم فلا نريد تحريرها

Those are pretty strong words. Thanks Ghufran!

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March 4th, 2012, 12:48 am

 

461. Son of Damascus said:

Ghufran,

That defiantly sounds a lot more plausible than the arms depot attack, thank you again!.

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March 4th, 2012, 12:50 am

 

462. Pirouz said:

420. TARA said: (and Son of D)

The sentiments you’re referring to are likely those from northern Tehrai’s. Most of them skipped the election a couple of days ago. Still, even with their absence, roughly 48 percent in the city voted, and about 65% of the eligible voters in the whole country voted.

I’ve posted these polls before, but here is a more accurate gauge of Iranian public opinion beyond that of the purely anecdotal:

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/652.php

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/65872019/Iran-Public-Opinion-2010

There are people in Iran that don’t support their form of government and foreign policies, but they are very much a minority. According to multiple polls, they account for less than 10 percent for the whole country.

In addition to this, the Tunisians and Egyptians are voting overwhelmingly for Islamic political parties, and it is not unthinkable that if the Assad regime fell and democratic elections were held, Islamic political parties would also constitute a majority.

So this business of “mistakes made in Iran” is one put forward by Westernized Iranians inside Iran (mostly from northern Tehran), as well as the diaspora.

Personally, I’m American of partial Iranian descent, so I’ve no axe to grind. Whatever the people in their own countries want, that’s for them to sort out. I don’t think it’s any of my business to tell them what they should or should not do, and I certainly don’t cheerlead one way or the other.

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March 4th, 2012, 1:13 am

 

463. Mina said:

Pirouz, don’t you think that even if many in Iran are fed up with the clerics, the fact their are being threatened everyday in the Western media (and the Gulf media, after a short honeymoon with Hizbollah during the Israeli attack on Lebanon a few years ago) is a valid reason to stand behind the state, whatever its mistakes can be? Also, just similarly to Egypt, the will of the elite is nothing compared to that of the masses. If the masses in the countryside see no problem with lapidation and having the opposition leaders and the best film directors in jail, it is hard for the 5 percent educated globalized elite to have its say.
Iran has a 5000+ years history, just like the Egyptians they have seen reversal of fortunes and know how to “wait and see” better than many on this planet.

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March 4th, 2012, 2:45 am

 

464. ann said:

441. Mick said:

I’m just baffled that people think an armed insurrection supported by outside countries can pop up and the government is not allowed to confront it.
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Very well said. Thank you Mick.
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March 4th, 2012, 2:48 am

 

465. ann said:

China offers plan on Syria but no intervention – Mar. 3, 2012

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/usatoday/article/53350260?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|s

The proposal displays those concerns. It calls for a cease-fire, negotiations mediated by the U.N. and the Arab League, and humanitarian relief. At the same time, the proposal opposes any outside interference that would attempt to replace Syria’s authoritarian government.

[…]

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March 4th, 2012, 2:53 am

 

466. jad said:

Dear Son of Damascus
Your idea is honorable, gracious and noble.
By putting an effort to remember the faces of every Syrian we lost in this ugly, unjust, bloody and disgusting struggle will give the Syrians we lost the dignity that all human beings deserve.
Death is the only ultimate truth out of all this mess and we can make it less harsh on the livings who are cooping with the devastating lost of their beloved ones by showing the needed sympathy and respect.
I’m with you in your project, just let me know if you want any help from my side and I’m ready.

Here is Son of Damascus suggestion for those who missed it the first time:
http://7ee6an.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/no-title/#comment-6716

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March 4th, 2012, 2:59 am

 

467. Mina said:

Bouvier getting out of the plane… pretty sporty
http://www.bfmtv.com/descente-de-l-avion-d-edith-bouvier-sur-une-actu24205.html

Amazing how the sofa-revolutionaries have no comment on fabricated videos where the so called Baba Amro witnesses rehearse about what to say in an environment where no shooting can be heard.

Now the Western medias is presenting Homs destruction as if it happened in the last few days, with no mention of its having been the centre of the guerilla for more than six months.
And still no mention of the numerous murders of Christians. Why isn’t there a list with the names and a proper account?

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March 4th, 2012, 3:17 am

 

468. Mina said:

Someone on moonofalabama ‘s blog has dug some more information on W. Tarif, you know, my old buddy… The guy has been virtually everywhere since day one, even when deals for the SNC in Lybia and Turkey are in the news, he is there! Why not make him SNC chief and give him Syrian citizenship at the time?
http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-271986-fallout-from-syrian-colonels-abduction.html
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2011/11/libya-to-syria-guns-for-human-rights.html
I can’t forget that Anthony Shadid was also quoting from Tarif as his main source at the beginning of the protests and parallel uprising. It has left most of his articles afterwards under the spell of doubt in my eyes.

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March 4th, 2012, 3:35 am

 

469. jad said:

Mina

“Now the Western medias is presenting Homs destruction as if it happened in the last few days, with no mention of its having been the centre of the guerilla for more than six months.”

I totally agree with you, in the last couple days the media is changing history and retracting from everything they said days before the Syrian Government toke control over Baba Amr.
Even those who wrote many articles and took pictures and made reports about the armed terrorists inside BA now are saying that they didn’t see any WEAPONS and any MILITIAS even Anthony’s ‘friend’ in the NYT.

“And still no mention of the numerous murders of Christians.”
Again I agree, the sectarian attacks against the Syrian Christians in Homs, M7ardeh and Dir Mar Mousa didn’t get any attention whatsoever, my guess is that this sectarian attacks should not be reported other wise the mighty ‘revolution’ will immediately be labeled as sectarian and the PR of it are not ready to show the real face of this ‘revolution’.

“Why isn’t there a list with the names and a proper account?”
Because if someone dares to ask the question the attack and threats he/she will get are enough to scare any one else from asking, did you read this article:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/questioning-syrian-%E2%80%9Ccasualty-list%E2%80%9D

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March 4th, 2012, 3:35 am

 

470. Syrialover said:

It’s getting seriously weird and sinister, reading some of the commentary here. It’s like noises and pointless chatter to distract others from what the Syrian regime is now doing in Homs.

People who have been trying to excuse the Babr Amr situation will HAVE to give up, it’s gone too far. The game’s up.

Those droning on about evil unpatriotic oppositions are now looking worse than deluded and stubborn, they are looking like obscene co-conspirators in a sick and sordid crime that will never be forgotten.

There is no precedent anywhere for a “government” which has fought furiously to rescue its own citizens from an evil outsider, then continued to keep these 4,000 desperate shellshocked, freezing and starving victims imprisoned and deprived of even blankets or water for days, brazenly inflicting more suffering while the world looks on in shock and disbelief.

Count the thumbs down votes on this comment for a census of those who wish the Babr Amr situation could be kept invisible.

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March 4th, 2012, 3:46 am

 

471. Alan said:

Syrian security forces arrest foreign gunmen in Baba Amr
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229800.html

Syrian government forces have arrested a large number of gunmen with different nationalities in Baba Amr neighborhood in the restive city of Homs.

According to reports many of those detained are Arab nationals, among them Qatari intelligence agents. Others are reportedly from Afghanistan, Turkey and a number of European countries, including France.

The security forces have also seized sophisticated Israeli, European and American-made weapons in the area as well as confiscating made-in-Israel shells, rockets and communication equipment.

Syrian forces retook control of the Baba Amr district on Thursday. They discovered tunnels used by the armed terrorist groups to smuggle arms and move from one place to another and seized a large cache of weapons in Baba Amr following an operation to clear the area of armed gangs.

Baba Amr was one of the key strongholds of the Syrian Free Army– an armed group looking to topple the government.

Armed groups have targeted many governmental institutions and security agencies in Syria since mid-March last year when unrest hit the country.

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March 4th, 2012, 3:46 am

 

472. Alan said:

Arms supplies to Syrian opposition call for legal evaluation – Russia
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_03_03/67397592/

An armed antigovernment mutiny has been crushed in the Syrian city of Homs. More than 100 mercenaries have been seized. The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has admitted that supplying arms to Syrian rebels is in no way contributing to a settlement in Syria. The Russian Foreign Ministry has, for its part, urged the United Nations to give a legal assessment to statements by officials from different countries, insisting that the Syrian opposition fighters should continue to be armed.

According to Lebanon’s television channel Orange TV, the residents of Homs are aiding the government troops by showing the rebels’ hideouts. More than 600 armed militants have surrendered to Syrian Army soldiers as a result. The situation in Homs is now growing back to normal, with the soldiers handing out food to the population and providing medical assistance for the wounded. A humanitarian convoy of the International Red Cross has brought foodstuffs, potable water and medicines to Homs. The fact that Damascus has regained control over Homs proves that the Syrian government does have the potential for putting an end to the mutiny, says an expert with the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies Azhdar Kurtov, and elaborates.

“This is a major success, Azhdar Kurtov says, because Homs has been the rebels’ stronghold throughout the past six months. There was a real threat that a certain enclave would be set up in the city that would ignore the central government and form its own government of supporters of the armed opposition. The threat has since been removed. But it would be premature to claim, on the other hand, that the capture of Homs amounts to a U-turn in Syria’s civil war.”

The opposition Free Syrian Army has openly admitted that France and the United States have been supplying them with arms and air defence systems. Professional mercenaries are fighting on the side of the opposition, – Afghans, Libyans, Turks, Jordanians. This is what a prominent Arab military expert, Amin Khteit, said about the situation in Syria, in a comment.

“Over 30,000 various weapons have been channelled to Syria since unrest flared up there in April last year, Amin Khteit says. The overall amount of explosives makes up 300 tons. The deliveries were made by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. They depend on the United States, which is making every effort to overpower Syria.”

Meanwhile, Russian expert in oriental studies of the Institute for Strategic Studies and Analysis, Sergei Demidenko, warns that escalation of external interference in Syria’s affairs will explode the entire region.

[…]

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March 4th, 2012, 3:49 am

 

473. Mina said:

Syrialover,
Why you and your friends have no reply about the fabricated videos?
Here is one, where Wissam Tarif and Anderson Cooper use the death of a child, compared with the interview of her father, saying she died from a random shooting where he was hurted too as they were escaping by car from their neighborhood in Lattakie, but some ‘revolutionaries’ came and took her body.
Why not answering anything about the hundreds of fake videos for which Jad has provided links?

Do you really have such a lack of psychology that you really believe this guy has been tortured and briefed?
From Penny for thought ‘s blog:
freethinkerNov 29, 2011 09:29 AM

The death of Oula Jablawi according to Wissam Tarif and CNN – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr61W6FDOq4

The Truth about the child Oula Jablawi – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udruHsCMvjw

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March 4th, 2012, 3:54 am

 

474. Syrialover said:

#474. Mina

That sort of comment is exactly what I was talking about in my comment #471. Can’t you see how it looks?

It is making it worse.

As I said, the game’s been overtaken by reality. It wouldn’t matter if every single thing you are harping on about was true x 1,000 it is swamped by the regime’s unmistakeable actions in Babr Amr as we sit here now.

All of us with loved ones in Syria must now brace ourselves for the terrifying possibility they could potentially face the Babr Amr treatment from the regime at some future stage, regardless of where they are. I’d love to have someone reassure us by proving it couldn’t happen, but I know they can’t.

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March 4th, 2012, 4:25 am

 

475. Mina said:

I guess it is useless to answer since you make a point in not discussing the fake witnesses in the video giving the whole world news of what has been going in Baba Amro. To achieve this degree of sophistication and to have been trading fabricated videos for a year with no one in the mainstream media in France, UK or the US to discuss that, they are certainly well organized and sponsored.

From what the Syrians are saying, normal people in Baba Amro have moved since 6 months to villages and relatives anywhere and it is just full guerilla. You prefer to advocate a cloud of non said elements, with no evidence, to create the “Hama moment” Nir Rosen was talking about.

This PR war is the most disgusting, and you really do not help the Syrians to get some credibility .

I am sure now that the Russians will manage to organize a dialogue with the local Syrian opposition, and not let the stage only to France, BHL, Ghalyoun the secular, his friends the Djihadists, and their bailers. After all the weapons, foreign fighters, and hours of videos that have been found, they have largely enough evidence to discredit the UN and the puppets all around.

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March 4th, 2012, 4:43 am

 

476. Alan said:

Jameel Kadri in Video
http://kp.by/daily/25844.4/2814929/

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March 4th, 2012, 4:55 am

 

477. Mina said:

Syrialover,
By the way, in a normal fight, both sides should evaluate the strength of the participants before engaging in the fight. If in Daraa, Homs, Ma’arat al-Numan, and Idlib, they thought they would be strong enough with “just the little help of their friends” in the media and whoever is smuggling them weapons, they were certainly wrong and were told so from the beginning. If they want to be martyrs and kamikazes, this is no way to hold power and to help a country get into normality.
75 percent of Syria has been living normally, and saw on the Gulf channels things supposingly happening in the street they live in and that did not happen, or small demos given as “hundreds of thousands”. I call people regularly who are in areas where nothing happened. Why do you deny their existence?
Having said that, there is no doubt it has reached a point of no return, thanks to the help of the sofa revolutionaries, the guerilla, and their PR friends keeping the ‘momentums’ well scheduled. But again, and as I said a year ago, this will be solved with elections with international observers, which will have to be from a neutral side. But who tells you that the international community wants a peaceful resolution to this conflict, and not an excuse to make it bigger until it gets to Hezbollah?

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March 4th, 2012, 5:13 am

 

478. Alan said:

Residents of Baba Amr say they feel safe after armed groups arrested
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229855.html

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March 4th, 2012, 5:25 am

 

479. Syrialover said:

Oh Mina, I sure agree the PR war is the most disgusting. I am close to people in Syria (and some now out) whose experiences make me outraged by efforts to cover up and deny what the regime is doing to the Syrian people.

It is 2012 and the truth about the regime’s actions is piling up, cruelty by cruelty, mass atrocity by atrocity, extreme lie by lie. And any fake videos that you seem obsessed with (though why bother focusing on them when there is such an overwhelming number of devastating real ones), will be forgotten in the mountains of true videos and eyewitness, forensic and objectively documented evidence that are piling up daily in the last 11 months.

If so many Syrians don’t have any credibility for you it is a tragedy and you maybe should not bother about their situation.

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March 4th, 2012, 5:27 am

 

480. Mina said:

The problem is that there has been fake videos and foreign help since day one. Ask the Basquese and Corsican independentists how they would be treated if they tried to get foreign help.

Here is an article giving you a very clear picture of how Syria is prepared to unfold “just like Iraq”. A new Yalta, mix up the cards and re-organize the neighborhood. It is just about buying time for the West: “divide, you reign”.

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/03/04/3112887/syria-splits-along-sectarian-lines.html

Djihadists are not naive as my friends and your friends who went to demos and have no clue for some of them about the difference between a Sufi and a Salafi!

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March 4th, 2012, 5:33 am

 

481. Alan said:

Horrors of Homs: ‘Killing, bloodshed, bodies on the streets’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK6faxFVR_8
Over a hundred foreign mercenaries have reportedly been captured by Syrian government troops after regaining control of rebel-held areas in the city of Homs.
Sources say the majority of them are French, with the rest from several Arab countries.
Syrian authorities claim that life in the city that’s been under siege for almost a month is getting back to normal, but, as RT’s Maria Finoshina reports, there are serious fears the fighting is far from over.

Residents of Homs and eyewitness say horrific scenes of carnage have become a part of everyday life there.
RT spoke to a Russian woman who spent over a week in the embattled city – who says the picture painted by the media does not always match the reality.

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March 4th, 2012, 5:34 am

 

482. Mina said:

In Cairo, India and the Arab League discuss who should be president of Syria. It seems India has a better knowledge of international law, seeing their reaction:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2958287.ece

SL,
Instead of believing that NGO which have been failed several times, and that foreign powers can be neutral in accumulating the “piling evidence”, why don’t you simply call for a dialogue in Syria? Last year, when such calls were on the table, the immediate answers of the mosques-organized demos was to repeat what kids were tweeting “you go first we discuss after”, as if they had any cards in their pockets or any strength to put their conditions. They were not even as many as in Yemen (definitely more than 100,000 people in some of the protests, in a country which has less than 20 millions inhabitants of which half are kids.. and we didn’t see as many kids in their demos as in the pictures from Syria). And look at what has happened to Yemen: France boldly say it has experts writing their constitution and the US has unilaterally decided it will deal with the security and terrorist threat! It’s hard to lie in such a strategic location.

Zahar has made a U-turn on his stance. Not the last one probably.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/35967/World/Region/Hamas-not-taking-sides-in-Syria-crisis-Zahar.aspx

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March 4th, 2012, 5:44 am

 

483. Mina said:

About piling up evidence, the US credibility (and that of the international community) will be restored only when they close Guantanamo Camp. It should be obvious, but we live in a world where only PR rules.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/229871.html
Abdallah of Jordan says peace with Israel has no sense.

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March 4th, 2012, 6:20 am

 

484. Uzair8 said:

@435 MJABALI

Perhaps some of my comments would have been better coming from Syrians however there was a purpose to them during these difficult recent days for the revolution.

It has been a stressful time for all esp syrians after the year long events and the current Bab Amr episode. Watching the regime killing machine unleash its worst is difficult for revolutionaries to reign in the instict to fight fire with fire (against military) rather than be slaughtered. A time comes when taking up arms and fighting is forced upon you. People can complain all they want about people so called ‘calling to violence’ (more like defence) while the regime has taken off its gloves and proceeding thru massacres. I have seen some on here finally put their hopes in the FSA. The regime actions have made the decision for them.

If I have raised my head above the parapet and sounded gung-ho recently it was in response to the current events and the drop in revolutionary morale during this vulnerable phase. That is done for now.

There were 3 main reasons for my attitude:

1. The escalation by the regime in what appears to be a ‘final solution’ and a mortal threat to the revolution.

2. Sheikh Yaqoubi of Syria’s alleged fatwa. If this fatwa is genuine then that is that. The call to take up arms and defend has been made. This fatwa cannot be dismissed as salafi, saudi, or from a senile Sheikh etc. This is from a syrian mainstream, traditional sufi scholar.

If the fatwa can be confirmed then it would be interesting to see how the syrians respond to it as the Sheikh said it has become obligatory on them.

http://www.facebook.com/BritishSyrianRevolution/posts/340013426043482

3. In recent weeks I have watched the Lord of the Rings trilogy for the first time, completing the final part on thursday. Watching it I saw a lot of parallels between the film and the syrian situation.

For me the marauding orcs represented the regime thugs and shabeeha. The heroic fellowship of the ring was a perfect inspiration for the FSA.

Recall during the Bab Amr siege in recent posts I expressed some wishful thinking about how the regime would face a setback in Homs.
In the film whenever battle was about to breakout unexpected help always arrived at the last minute.

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March 4th, 2012, 6:27 am

 

485. Uzair8 said:

An interesting interview on Syria I caught on BBC radio 5 last night. Listen from 20 minutes (exactly). About 5 minutes long.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b01cz25g

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March 4th, 2012, 6:55 am

 

486. abbas said:

477 Alan
Great interview if you know Russian ( which I don’t )

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March 4th, 2012, 7:25 am

 

487. jna said:

Is this report true or is it Israeli disinformation? Has anybody seen these videos, any links?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-assad-s-air-force-pounds-population-centers-in-syria-s-rastan-1.416357

“Meanwhile, in reports and videos uploaded by Syrian opposition activists the Syrian air force is clearly seen bombing population centers in the city of Rastan, north of Homs.”

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March 4th, 2012, 8:08 am

 

488. Observer said:

The old saying in Damascus: he who has a shard under his skin will not find sleep at night for it will constantly bother him.

Here is a definition of thug
a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

Cruelty comes when “the other” is dehumanized and when some on this post ask for “the army to go in and clean the place”.

Another synonym is a strong armer that uses intimidation and the threat of force to intimidate and to coerce.

Flooding the blog with full length articles and quotes and reports is a strong arming tactic and hence a thuggish method.

Delusion is spreading
Germs and Rats are coming and getting stronger

As for thoughts on the events; it is interesting that the state media can enter devastated Homs but not ICRC. It must mean one thing then, the lives of state media reporters is cheap; those of the ICRC are more valuable and they need to be protected. Right? or is there another explanation!!!!

We are stuck with Fredo and his delusions on earth and in space.

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March 4th, 2012, 8:10 am

 

489. SANDRO LOEWE said:

I think all points are beginning to be connected when we look back. Israel is allowing – and some rummors also say – logistically supporting Assad regime in order to get control of the situation. The power of jewish lobby in US explains why US foreign policy is showing itself so silly. The CANNOT act but they do not know how to justify it.

Israel is the first interested part in Assad getting control of syrian people, repressiong them and forbidding any free political activity. Hamas has been expelled from Syria. This could be the card exchanged by Syria with Israel for jewish support on Assad stability.

What we are watching in Syria – whole cities and villages being destroyed and foreign testimonies being killed to avoid direct sources – is something had never happened before in recent years. Only something similar happened in Lebanon 2006 and Gaza last 2010. But in a much smaller scale. In both cases Israel was there.

When could say Israel and Syria are and represent the same dark power side or maybe the simply are opposide sides of the same bad smelling shiXXX.

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March 4th, 2012, 8:17 am

 

490. Observer said:

Some on this blog keep bringing up reports about how the mainstream media and other media is deliberately falsifying the information about BA.

How about the evacuated journalists who spoke of hellish conditions brought about by massive shelling from the pro regime forces?

This is enough to wake up from the “dream of adoring the smiling Fredo” and buying every piece of information coming from SANA.

Now the leader of HA has graced us with another pure Baathist exhortation to liberate Jerusalem and yet since 2006 not a shot was fired to liberate Chebaa Farms.

Here we go again, another eternal power grabbing discourse in the name of resistance.

Long live the South Lebanon State, the Mountainous State of Northern Syria, the Mountainous State of Southern Syria, the Principality of Damascus and that of Aleppo, and the Western Autonomous Tribal Areas of former Syria and Iraq.

My fellow Kurds, keep on forging slowly your independence and create your state but watch out there will be among you those that will call for “resistance and liberation” with which they will keep you hostage for decades under a security house of cards. I know they went to good schools in Baathist Iraq and Syria.

Fredo the eternal President for Life of Somaria is winning glorious battles on earth and in space.

But wait, we just signed a commercial deal with North Korea to import glorious statutes

Germs and Rats are on their way
Cheers

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March 4th, 2012, 8:51 am

 

491. Tara said:

Zoo

Cc: MIna

I can’t be silent anymore.

What is up with Mina?

She asks you not to call for Revlon back when you never uttered a word calling for anyone to come back.   she threw all her weight (?) confirming an alleged argument you made about Ataturk’s picture when the argument was made by Irritated and when I alerted her to it, she made no apology. She invited you to go with her to moonofalabama. The next thing, she will use “our” style in posting and God knows what..  Can you ask her to stop?  I get jealous!  

And ABSOLUTELY NO private email exchange..I would vote that this be part of SC rules and regulations..
 

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March 4th, 2012, 8:55 am

 

492. Observer said:

This is what RT reported today about Zahar statement about Syria.

Read it carefully and you can see infinitely more intelligence and foresight than the pronouncements of the leader of HA who should have kept his discourse on the Lebanese scene in these times.

“نحن نتمنى لسورية أن تتعافى وأن يأخذ شعبها حقه وأن يقوى النظام الذي يمثل الشارع السوري الذي يستطيع أن يحرر أرضه ويساعد في تحرير فلسطين، بالتالي نحن لسنا طرفا للدخول في أي من المحاور لا القطرية ولا المنطقة كلها”.

وتابع قائلا: “موقفنا من الثورة في مصر وتونس وليبيا وفي غيرها ثابت، هو نفس الموقف في سورية: لا نتدخل بالشأن الداخلي، لكن ننصح ونقدم النصيحة الخالصة. لكن اذا اصبحت الامور تأخذنا في اتجاهات مختلفة فنحن نتوقف لان برنامجنا ليس الدخول في الصراع العربي الداخلي ولا الاقليمي، صراعنا الاساسي موجه ضد الاحتلال الاسرائيلي في فلسطين”.

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March 4th, 2012, 9:01 am

 

493. Mina said:

[Edited]

Tara, for Ataturk’s pictures, as I told you before, just use Google and you’ll find out (someone actually gave you a long explanation about that, can’t remember who).

I will start to respect your views when you will mention some events happening to people you actually know and speak to on the ground, as many others here did (Ehsani is the example that first comes to mind, but in the comments we often find details given by peoples relatives to their relatives abroad who happen to comment on SC and are more true than all fake al Jazeera and CNN reports. But if many prefer to believe the UN, journalists, priests, imams and sheykhs, they are very free to do it.

Today, Fisk has found a new nickname for the sofa-revolutionaries:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-fearful-realities-keeping-the-assad-regime-in-power-7534769.html
“Nevermind the claims of armchair interventionists and the hypocrisy of Western leaders, this is what is really happening in Syria”

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March 4th, 2012, 9:03 am

 

494. Juergen said:

Graves in playgrounds

shocking picture taken in Idleb

Activists use more and more parcs and playgrounds as graveyards

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-79402.html

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March 4th, 2012, 9:22 am

 

495. Tara said:

Mina,

You did not understand the question. It really is simple. Here we go again:

You insisted that Zoo should not ask for Revlon to come back. Zoo never did. When he corrected you and told you that he never did, you offered no acknowledgement that you mistakenly thought so.

You threw your weight on supporting Ataturk’s issue and falsely claimed that Zoo was the one behind that argument. It was an argument made by Irritated. When I alerted you to the fact that Zoo had nothing to do with Ataturk’s argument, you offered no acknowledgement that you again mistakenly thought so.

Your answer above was about the Lord of the Ring, the Aljazeera, and CNN. Were you answering me or someone else and you mistakenly put my name there?

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March 4th, 2012, 9:22 am

 

496. zoo said:

The Libyans expressing themselves freely

Desecrated: The shocking video of Churchill’s Desert Rats’ graves being smashed to rubble… by the Libyans we helped liberate

Headstones torn down and crucifixes smashed with hammers by extremists
More than 150 graves of British serviceman systematically desecrated
Attack carried out over two days with footage posted online
Members of mob heard repeatedly calling dead servicemen ‘dogs’

By Ian Gallagher and Martin Delgado

Last updated at 1:00 PM on 4th March 2012

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109873/Benghazi-Shocking-video-Churchills-Desert-Rats-graves-smashed-rubble-Libyan-rebels.html#ixzz1oA6pyeVz

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March 4th, 2012, 10:26 am

 

497. irritated said:

#493. Observer said:

“This is what RT reported today about Zahar statement about Syria.”

Too little, too late.
All international media (except RT) have jumped on the Bashar bashing wagon and will not correct the impression they are so happy to have propagated of the “isolation” of the Syrian regime by its own allies.
I think that Hamas will end up by regretting dearly that ‘faux-pas’ as I don’t believe any Arab country will have the courage to host them like Bashar’s regime did.

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March 4th, 2012, 10:35 am

 

498. DAWOUD said:

From one Sunday to another, 3 elections took place:

1-Bashar M.D. (Murderous Dictator) held a fraudulent referendum on his “constitution,” while at the same time he was committing bloody war crimes in Holly Homs (this is from now on the Sunni version of Shia’s Najaf and Karballah) and everywhere else in Syria. His propagandists in Hasan Nasrallah’s Lebanon, including brainwashed Americans, are still celebrating Bashar’s war crimes and the martyrdom of Sunnis in Homs!
2- Supporter of M.D. war crimes, Iran, held faudulent elections yesterday for a propaganda parliament.
3-Putin is holding fraudulent presidential elections today. The murderer of Sunni Muslims in Chechenya should hold a joint party with Shia/Alawi killers of Sunnis in Syria, Iran, and Iraq. They are Bashar M.D., Nuri al-Maliki, Hasan Nasr…, Moqtadah al-Sadr, and Ali Khameini (where in Iran Sunnis are NOT allowed to build mosques). Yes, you can built mosques in Islamophobic Oklahoma (where they had an anti-Shariah referendum), but not in Tehran!
Free Syria from M.D., Free Lebanon from Iran’s sectarian agent (Hasan), free Iraq from Iran’s puppet al-Sadr, and free Palestine from Amir in colonial Tel Aviv Zionist conlonialists/occupiers! Liberation, Democracy, and Peace for All!

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March 4th, 2012, 10:46 am

 

499. Dawoud HOLLY HOMS said:

[Note: when a commentator makes a mistake in spelling the name first used, the comment goes immediately to moderation by default (it’s in the software). So, at the moment, using a different new name will cause the same thing to happen. I will see if I can fix it in your case, but it may not be possible.]

Attention to the Moderator:

Please note that FROM NOW ON, I want to change the name I use to post my comments (DAWOUD, which is my REAL first name) to DAWOUD HOLLY HOMS. I just want to commemorate the bravery/martyrdom of anti-Bashar activists/residents of Homs, who became victims of Bashar’s dictatorship and Iran’s/NASRALLAH’S support for the killing of Sunnis in Homs and Syria in General.

Please don’t hold my comment for moderation because I am still the same person.

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March 4th, 2012, 11:01 am

 

500. DAWOUD HOLLY HOMS said:

Thanks moderator for allowing me to change my name from Dawoud to Dawoud Holly Homs :-)

I don’t need to sound sectarian, but I have no choice but say that Homs has become the Sunni Karballah/Najaf.

I apologize to those brainwashed Americans in Nasrallah’s/Al-Manar’s basement if they don’t like my new name :-)

To 498. irritated

NO, Palestinians will never ever ever regret supporting, as Haniyah put it in al-Azhar, “the heroic Syrian people who are fighting for freedom, democracy, ….”

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March 4th, 2012, 11:26 am

 

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