Former Secretary James Baker Commenting On Syria – The Charlie Rose Show

James Baker, Former Secretary of State appeared on the Charlie Rose Show last night. His comments on Syria start on the 16-minute mark. Mr. Baker is always worth listening to. Set below are some quotes from the interview:

“I am not a big fan of what we did in Libya even though I am glad to see Gaddafi gone.  We don’t know who these people are, the Free Syrian Army and all those people.  Syria is a whole lot of a different case than Libya. We need to proceed very cautiously. We are broke. We don’t need another major engagement that we cannot fund. Assad has lost legitimacy. You can’t murder your own people and expect to survive for very long and when he goes, and my view ultimately he will go. That is not all that bad for us from the standpoint of the situation with Iran. “

 

Ousting Syria’s Assad through a ‘soft landing  – By David Ignatius

“Maybe it’s time for Syrian revolutionaries to take “yes” for an answer from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and back a U.N.-sponsored “managed transition” of power there, rather than rolling on toward a civil war that will bring more death and destruction for the region.

We should learn from recent Middle East history and seek a non-military solution in Syria — even with the inevitable fuzziness and need for compromise with unpleasant people.

The alternative to a diplomatic soft landing is a war that shatters the ethnic mosaic in Syria. It’s easy to imagine Sunni militias gaining control of central cities such as Homs, Hama and Idlib, while Alawites retreat to parts of Damascus and Latakia province in the north. Assad might still claim to be president in this scenario, but he would be little more than a warlord (albeit one with access to chemical weapons). It’s a grim scenario in which Western air power would have limited effect.”

Arab Spring Turns to Economic Winter on More Joblessness  – Bloomberg

To create jobs for their young populations, Arab economies need to integrate, according to an Oxford University study published in December by Adeel Malik and Bassem Awadallah, a former Jordanian finance minister. It highlights restrictions on the movement of investment, goods and people across borders.

The result, in an Arab world with a population of 350 million, is “insignificant” levels of internal trade and regional markets that are “cut off from each other and from the rest of the world,” they wrote. It can be cheaper for a Jordanian company to import from the U.K. than from nearby Lebanon, while “visa requirements for traveling within the region can sometimes be as cumbersome as the journey itself.

Whoever takes office will have to win back people like Mohammed, Ahmed and the others camped outside the Libyan Embassy trying to flee Egypt. Poverty and unemployment have clouded their view of the revolution they supported.

“There is no change,” said Mohammed. “We want to feel that we have rights in our own country. Who feels that way?” he asked, looking at the men gathered around him. Most replied: “No one!”

Threat to Assad remains despite claims of victory – Financial Times

Bashar al-Assad is acting victorious, marching under the gaze of state television crews into the ruins of the Baba Amr district of Homs, the city bombarded by his forces for nearly a month. In TV footage this week, the Syrian leader is seen surrounded by loyalists described as residents, though most of the inhabitants have fled. He blames his enemies for the devastation and promises to rebuild Baba Amr.

Mr Assad’s tour was another grotesque show of force aimed at humiliating the rebellious people of the district, who faced collective punishment for allowing Free Syrian Army fighters to protect them. It was also a manifestation of a renewed self-confidence following the regime’s seizure of a series of strongholds that had fallen under rebel control and brought the armed opposition dangerously close to the gates of Damascus.

The problem for Mr Assad, however, is that the Annan plan gives no relief from the most dangerous threat he faces. That threat has never been from the armed rebels but from the peaceful demonstrators who continue to stage protests more than a year after the eruption of the revolt. “As soon as a ceasefire takes hold, Bashar falls because the people will be on the streets in millions, even in Damascus,” says Samir Seifan, a Syrian economist who has joined the opposition. “There will be no need for the FSA whose members know that demonstrations are what will bring down the regime.” Mr Assad, insists Mr Seifan, can score military gains but he cannot win the war against the popular uprising.

 

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351. bronco said:

#344 Majedalkhadoon

The USA and Israel will not allow have armed islamists extremists at the door of Israel.
The FSA make the mistake of not cleaning up their ranks from islamists, in the contrary it was more than happy to have them fighting with them against the Syrian army. Therefore nobody will help the FSA to get more weapons for fear it will be used against Israel on the border. That has been the FSA’s fatal mistake and now they are discredited by the international community.
KSA and Qatar are enraged but Hillary went to calm them down and assure them that ultimately their hated Bashar will go peacefully after the elections. As KSA is panicking at the growth of Iran’s influence and power in its south area and in the region, Hillary offered to protect them from Iran by installing a missile defense system in exchange for their acceptance of Annan’s plan.
The FOS will show if Hillary was successful and if KSA-Qatar have changed their mind about arming the opposition.
In any case I would not be surprised that we will hear soon about some terrorist acts on the Israel-Syria borders that will frighten even more the USA and Israel about the danger of an islamist regime taking over Bashar’s.
The Syrian government seems to have, at least until for now, outsmarted not only Turkey but the USA and its allies.

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March 31st, 2012, 10:53 am

 

352. zoo said:

Tara #303

I owe you an excuse but I had not seen it was the same source until the moderator added it.
I will be more careful not to duplicate the already crammed posts.

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March 31st, 2012, 10:59 am

 

353. irritated said:

309. majedkhaldoun

OMG.. HBJ, Big Bird, is the new Syrian idol. Let’s rejoice.
His picture deserves to be printed on Syrian made toilet paper.

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March 31st, 2012, 11:07 am

 

354. irritated said:

Juergen

“Iranians are smart enough to know that this Regime is enjoying its Last years.”

I don’t see much signs of its decline, in the contrary…. Maybe you are psychic, like you predicted the fall of Bashar Al Assad within months..

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March 31st, 2012, 11:10 am

 

355. irritated said:

#312 Juergen

“how the Assad regime survive after commiting all those atrocities?”

How the Opposition survives after commiting all those atrocities?

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March 31st, 2012, 11:13 am

 

356. irritated said:

#349 UZAIR8

“The blessed month of Ramadan may be what it takes to help them make that decision. It may push them over the line.”

The opposition needs a lot of prayers to survive until Ramadan

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March 31st, 2012, 11:15 am

 

357. Syrialover said:

347. Irritated

It seems you are struggling against waking up to the reality of the isolation and the dead end the Assad regime have put themselves into in Syria.

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March 31st, 2012, 11:21 am

 

358. Alan said:

355. IRRITATED
allow to add. As all foreign operative accomplices on the Syrian land and their countries customers of the Syrian blood will survive after commiting all those atrocities?

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March 31st, 2012, 11:26 am

 

359. Uzair8 said:

Last comment for now.

Just came across this from comment section on AJE live syria blog:

“Today news from the FSA published the following, has anyone seen anything similar to this? “#FSA# Syria#Damascus#Mezza# Allahu akbar!! Heavy clashes between FSA and Assad forces, so far 90 Assad forces killed and more than 100 wounded and 200 defected from the Assad forces!!! Allahu akbar!! Allahu akbar!!! God bless the FSA!”I have not seen this confirmed anywhere…

3 minutes ago”

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Syria [see 'sort by newest' comments]

Can anyone confirm this? Revlon?

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March 31st, 2012, 11:29 am

 

360. bronco said:

#317 Jad

While this is very thorough analysis, the questions put to vote are incomplete. There is a fifth choice about the regime fate besides these two extremes:

“- The regime stays on its current course of crushing the rebels, restraining free speech, restricting demonstrations, and introducing political reforms”

“-The regime agrees to step aside and negotiates the creation of a transitional government and a safe exit for its leaders and supporters”

The fifth choice:
- The regime stays on its current course of ensuring security in the whole country by disarming armed gangs and negotiating with rebels for a full ceasefire under the UN umbrella, allowing legal demonstrations under observers surveillance, allowing a certain level of freedom of speech, introducing political reforms and planning for elections”

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March 31st, 2012, 11:31 am

 

361. irritated said:

UZair8

“Allahu akbar!! Allahu akbar!!”

I doubt Allah agrees with rejoicing about the death of moslems who ever they are.

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March 31st, 2012, 11:33 am

 

362. Jad said:

As usual of Bassam Alkadi, always looking for solutions even in the darkest days:

أفكار حول حل الأزمة في سورية (2)
يقوم هذا التصور على قراءة معطيات الواقع كما هي، دون إسقاط لأية رغبات على تلك المعطيات. ومحاولة استثمار جميع إمكانيات الواقع الراهن للخروج من المأزق الحالي الذي صار يهدد وجود سورية كبلد واحد موحد.
الاعتقال والتعذيب:
2- الإطلاق الفوري، وغير المشروط، لجميع المعتقلين على خلفية الأحداث ممن أمضوا أكثر من 7 أيام قيد الاعتقال في أي فرع أمني، (أو في السجون)، ولم يثبت ارتكابهم العنف أو حمل السلاح أو تسهيل الحصول عليه أو التخطيط بأي أعمال عسكرية.
التتمة على الرابط:
http://bassam-alkadi.com/index.php/on-the-crisis-in-syria/701-ideas-about-resolving-the-crisis-in-syria-2
 
أفكار حول حل الأزمة في سورية (1)
يقوم هذا التصور على قراءة معطيات الواقع كما هي، دون إسقاط لأية رغبات على تلك المعطيات. ومحاولة استثمار جميع إمكانيات الواقع الراهن للخروج من المأزق الحالي الذي صار يهدد وجود سورية كبلد واحد موحد.
1- بما أن القوة الرئيسية المعارضة الآن على الأرض هي قوة مسلحة ذات برنامج أصولي لا ديمقراطي ولا مدني، ولا تعترف بالمواطنة، وتتبنى مفاهيم تنقض استقلال سورية وسيادتها، فإن الجيش السوري هو الوحيد القادر على أن يواجه وينهي هذه القوة.
التتمة على الرابط:
http://bassam-alkadi.com/index.php/on-the-crisis-in-syria/700-ideas-about-resolving-the-crisis-in-syria-1

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March 31st, 2012, 11:38 am

 

363. Alan said:

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2012/03/31/an-overview-of-the-flagging-syrian-national-council.html
An Overview of the Flagging Syrian National Council
Mahdi Darius NAZEMROAYA | 31.03.2012 | 13:48

The Syrian National Council (SNC) is starting to turn in on itself as Damascus has proved to be strongly resilient in weathering the storm. From the start the SNC was not a popular or representative body and it now appears on the decline even with foreign sponsorship and the continuous supplying of weapons from members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) to its fighters on the ground in Syria…

The Purposes of the Attacks of the Syrian National Council and the Free Syrian Army

Both the SNC and its military wing, the so-called Free Syrian Army, have been used to subvert Syria. Their primarily goals are not to establish democracy or democratic reforms in Syria, but to transform Syria into a client state of the United States. In this regard, in the last year there has been a consistent and methodological attempt to destabilize all of Syria’s border areas.

The destabilization of Syria’s borders is tied to several tactics. One aim is to ensure that a continuous flow of arms and fighters from the borders of other countries is insured. Another aim is to cripple the Syrian economy by deactivating important Syrian economic activities and trade in strategic areas in tandem with U.S. and E.U. sanctions against Syria. In this regard, the oil producing hub of Deir Ezzor has been attacked as have pipelines and the Syrian port of Lattakia, rumoured to possibly be the home of a future Iranian naval base in the Mediterranean that would complement the Russian naval base in the port of Tartus. A third aim is to transform these destabilized areas as bridgeheads for forced entry into Syria as “protected areas” and “humanitarian corridors.”

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March 31st, 2012, 11:43 am

 

364. jad said:

Allah yakhod almjrmeen klon ashe lafe!

Irritated,
What do you expect from ‘taliban’ spokesperson?

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March 31st, 2012, 11:44 am

 

365. Syrialover said:

“Most days, I feel silenced by the inhumanity of humanity. The last seven months of life in Syria tore down every lingering sense of hope I had in leadership, people in power. I’ve never before seen the good will of millions tossed so carelessly into the garbage with no regard for ordinary people, not a thought for future generations, not a care for the future – for what could or should be.”

From blog The Sweet Makers Wife (a writer inside Syria) http://thesweetmakerswife.tumblr.com/post/16503917687/deconstructing-narratives-on-the-syrian-revolution

Worth reading for a personal perspective from inside Damascus etc.

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March 31st, 2012, 11:45 am

 

366. zoo said:

Syria crisis: US urges Saudis to support diplomacy to end bloodshed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/30/syria-crisis-saudi-arabia-diplomacy
Hillary Clinton in Riyadh for talks amid concern Saudi Arabia and Qatar are planning to arm anti-Assad regime rebels

The US is urging Saudi Arabia to support international diplomatic efforts to resolve the bloody crisis in Syria amid concern that the Saudis and Qatar are planning to arm the rebels fighting to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad.

On a day that saw now-familiar Friday protests and killings across Syria, the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, was in Riyadh for talks with King Abdullah and other Saudi leaders as part of what was billed as an effort to pressure Assad.
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March 31st, 2012, 11:46 am

 

367. Alan said:

The Global March to Jerusalem, March 30, 2012
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29898

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March 31st, 2012, 11:47 am

 

368. zoo said:

Istanbul to host Syria meet amid confusion
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/istanbul-to-host-syria-meet-amid-confusion.aspx?pageID=238&nID=17333&NewsCatID=338
ANKARA – Hürriyet Daily News
The Friends of Syria meeting will begin April 1 in Istanbul, but expectations are low with all parties divided over the proper approach to Syria’s violence

A key summit on Syria is set to gather Western and Middle Eastern heavyweights in Istanbul on Sunday, with deep confusion remaining over how the year-long turmoil will be ended, amid rifts within both the international community and the Syrian opposition.

The so-called Friends of Syria meeting comes at a time when the world and the Syrian opposition are divided when it comes to the methodology to end the Syrian crisis. One of the main problems is how this meeting will be linked to the joint envoy of the United Nations and the Arab League Kofi Annan’s mission, aimed at ending the violence in Syria and opening channels for humanitarian assistance.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was scheduled to make a phone call to Annan Friday to invite him to the summit, although there was little hope that the former U.N. secretary-general could make it.

With the expectation that the Syrian National Council will be announced as “the sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people,” the Friends of Syria will discuss how best to provide assistance to those suffering at the hands of the regime’s brutal security forces.

Ahead of the Istanbul summit, the Hürriyet Daily News has learnt that Annan urged both the United States and the European Union not to launch fresh initiatives that would complicate his mission.
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“Solutions based on al-Assad staying in power are not realistic,” Davutoğlu added.

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March 31st, 2012, 11:52 am

 

369. jad said:

Dear Bronco,
To be honest, I didn’t vote for the proposed outcome of Mr. Maher yet, I think the situation keeps changing every hour and things can go from ok to bad to worse or the other way around according to the players in a matter of hours, as someone said ‘in the middle east even the water is flammable’
ksa seems to stay on track in their mission to destroy Syria even after Clinton’s visit, check out this crap out the mouth of the saudis:
الفيصل: تسليح المعارضة واجب لأنها لا تستطيع الدفاع عن نفسها إلا بالأسلحة
http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=146156

I read this depressing interview comparing what happened in Lebanon in the 70s to what’s happening in Syria today, even the pathetic AL meetings and steps are exactly the same, I hope that the Syrians know how to outsmart the devils.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:03 pm

 

370. zoo said:

A long term burden for Turkey: Many of these ‘refugees’ will not leave these comfortable and safe ‘social life centers’ to go back to Syria anytime soon costing Turkey more and more money.

“We call them Syrians under temporary protection, not refugees,”
“They are deprived of the right to apply for refugee status.”

Syria refugee crisis lands on Turkey’s doorstep
By Fulya Ozerkan (AFP) – 12 hours ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYV1pkIqPeMC_JQ1ddt-N-lu8a1A?docId=CNG.5ba00d350acdc99f903fb64f33d3cb13.631
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The traumatised refugees are welcomed in camps described by local officials as “social life centres,” which unlike those in Afghanistan and Somalia are aimed at boosting morale.

Turkish camps provide humanitarian aid including three meals a day, health services, clean water, and prayer rooms.

Gendarmes are deployed at the camps in charge of security, but refugees are allowed to go outside to do shopping and visit their relatives in nearby Turkish towns.

The camps also offer schooling for children with Arabic-speaking teachers giving lessons in maths, Turkish, computer science and Koranic studies. The sick and injured are treated at hospitals and women join handicraft courses.

While it says it is ready to extend any help for Syrians, Turkey also fears the number of arrivals could soar to the level of the half-million Iraqi Kurds who poured across the border to escape Saddam Hussein’s repression during the 1991 Gulf War.

Currently, the government has set up nine locations including eight tented camps and a “container city” in Kilis, some 150 kilometres (95 miles) east of the Hatay camps, to deal with the influx.

East of Kiflis in Sanliurfa province, near the halfway point of Turkey’s 910-kilometre (560-mile) border with Syria, another massive camp is under construction that can house up to 20,000 people.

While the mass influx is bound to have lasting consequences, Turkey is clear it does not want to see the Syrians as permanent residents and refuses to call them refugees.

“We call them Syrians under temporary protection, not refugees,” Suphi Atan, head of the foreign ministry’s task force in Hatay province, told AFP.

“They are deprived of the right to apply for refugee status. We expect them to voluntarily return to their country once the situation is secure,” he said. “But we cannot compel any Syrians to go back.”

Initially, the government had described them as “guests” to emphasise the temporary nature of their asylum in Turkey but later dropped the term because “there is no guest status in international law,” Atan said.

Some of the Syrians have already applied for asylum in Turkey, Metin Corabatir, spokesman for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) Turkey Office, confirmed.

But his office, in close coordination with Ankara, had to turn down the asylum requests because the temporary protection status is applicable in international law, he told AFP.
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March 31st, 2012, 12:03 pm

 

371. jad said:

صور جديدة تكشف الأوضاع المزرية للاجئين السوريين.. فأين ملايين المساعدات ؟
سيريا بوليتيك

ينشر “سيريا بوليتيك” ملف الصور التالي نقلا عن صحيفة “بوسطن غلوب” الأمريكية، وهي صور لمخيمات اللاجئين السوريين في تركيا. ويبدو أن الصحيفة الأمريكية جمعت الصور من مصادر إخبارية متعددة مثل مصوري “رويترز” و”أ ف ب” وموقع “غيتي إميجيز” وغيرها.

إن السوريين، الذين لم تخل منازلهم حتى في أسوأ أيام القحط والتدهور الاقتصادي والفقر، لم تخل من الزاد والخير من “مؤونة فيها كل الطعام”، باتوا اليوم في المخيمات، لاجئين، ينتظرون مساعدة الهلال الأحمر، والصليب الأحمر. أليست عودة هؤلاء إلى منازلهم، وقراهم، ومدنهم، أنبل وأسمى هدف من أي عمل وصراع سياسي آخر بين مكونات المعارضة ؟ أليست دمعة طفلة واحدة، وبؤس وجه طفل واحد، كفيلين بتشكيل لعنة أبدية تصيب سوريا إلى الأبد، سلطة ومعارضة ؟ ثم أين هي الملايين التي يتم جمعها باسم مساعدة للاجئين فيما تكشف الصور أن أوضاعهم لاتزال مزرية ؟ …. هيئة التحرير

http://syria-politic.com/ar/Default.aspx?subject=515#.T3crsGGPXlZ

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March 31st, 2012, 12:13 pm

 

372. jad said:

Bronco:
كلينتون والفيصل: اتفاق على وقف سفك الدماء في سوريا واختلاف على تسليح المعارضة

أكد الجانبان الأميركي والسعودي اليوم على ضرورة وقف سفك الدماء في سوريا، في الوقت الذي اختلفا فيه على وجوب تسليح المعارضة. وقالت وزيرة الخارجية الأميركية هيلاري كلينتون في ختام اجتماعها مع نظرائها في دول مجلس التعاون الخليجي في الرياض بعد ظهر اليوم، إن الحديث تركز على “توفير الدعم غير الهدام”…

http://assafir.com/?noredirect#NewsUpdates5802

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March 31st, 2012, 12:15 pm

 

373. Tara said:

Zoo

I am very much worried now..

Look at Tara@278, Zoo@290, and Zoo again@366.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:19 pm

 

374. bronco said:

#369 Jad

More than 60% voted for the first option.. I was really surprised.

As for KSA, what they declare and what they do are two different things. I doubt they will send money for weapons to the rebels, but to save face they have to say they will. Who will check if they do or not? And who can guarantee where the money will go.

If KSA want to send weapons, they will have to convince Jordan to allow it through the borders. Syria will consider it as an aggression and will retaliate on Jordan. The jordanian king is so worried about internal uprisings that he has avoided being involved. I doubt he will agree. After failing diplomatically, the only weapon KSA has is an economical squeeze on Syria or an assassination attempt on the person of Bashar.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:21 pm

 

375. zoo said:

Tara #373

OMG, I am parotting myself! I better leave..

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March 31st, 2012, 12:27 pm

 

376. Tara said:

Zoo,

It happens. I was just worried that you secretly admire Hillary and can’t get enough of her.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:30 pm

 

377. zoo said:

The US gives a good lesson of sectarian foreign policy:
The US priority is to protect the “Arab Sunni Moslem GCC” from the threats from the “non-Arab Shia Iran”

http://news.yahoo.com/us-gulf-arabs-urge-annan-draw-syria-next-143846530.html
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In a speech to the forum, Clinton stressed Washington’s “rock solid and unwavering” commitment to the security of the Sunni Muslim-led Gulf Arab monarchies, which are wary of non-Arab Shiite Muslim Iran.

Raising security ties from a bilateral to a multilateral level, Clinton was breaking new ground in taking part in the first strategic cooperation forum between Washington and the GCC.

She looked to taking “practical and specific steps to strengthen our mutual security, such as helping our militaries improve interoperability, cooperate on maritime security and missile defence, and coordinate responses to crises.”

US officials have said it is a US “priority” to help the GCC build a “regional missile defence architecture” against what they see as a looming ballistic missile threat from Iran.

Speaking at the press conference, the chief US diplomat broadened her attack on Tehran.

Iran “continues to threaten its neighbours and undermine regional security, including through its support for the Assad regime’s murderous campaign in Syria, threats against the freedom of navigation in the region, and interference in Yemen,” she charged.
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March 31st, 2012, 12:33 pm

 

378. Antoine said:

IMPORTANT

List of Syrian Officers those involved in Massacres in Syria –

The list below shows the names of those who contributed to the killing of innocents and thesepeople should face international criminal courts and be brought to justice –

1.Bashar al-Assad Commander-in-Chief of Army and President of Syria.

2.Maher Assad, commander of a brigade in the 4th Division, is the de facto leader of 4th Armored Division.

3.Major General Mohammad Nassif KheirBek, Assistant Vice President and Special Security Adviser to Bashar al-Assad.

4.General Asef Shawkat, Deputy Chief of Staff for Security Affairs.

5.Brigadier General Hafez Makhlouf, Head of Counterterrorism Section and the Department of 251 (internal section) in the management of state security.

6.Major General Ali Mamlouk, Director of State Security.

7.Major General Abdul-Fattah Qudseyyah, Head of Military Intelligence.

8.Major General Mohammed Dib Zayton, President of Political Security Branch.

9.Major General Mohammed Samur, former Interior Minister.

10.Major General Mohammed el-Shaar, current Interior Minister.

11.Brigadier General Jamil Hassan, Director of Air Force Intelligence.

12.Major General Zuhair el-Hamd, Deputy Director of State Security.

13.Major General Nazeeh Hassoun, Deputy Director of State Security in charge of operations in the coastal zone.

14.Major General Jumah Al-Ahmad, Commander of Special Forces (special units).

15.Jamil Badr Hassan, Commander of the Air Defense Department, who led the storming of Moadamieh.

16.Major General Rustom Ghazali, head of Damascus and countryside Branch and Divisionof Military Security.

17.Major General Ali Younes, Vice Chairman of the Military Intelligence Division (ViceGeneral Abdel-Fattah Qudseya).1

18.General Tawfiq Younis, Department of State Security branch 251.

19.Brigadier General Atef Naguib, President of the Political Security branch in the province of Daraa

20.Brigadier Thaer Al-Muammar, head of Raids and Patrols in the State SecurityDepartment, who led a raid on Doma city.

21.Brigadier Nasser al-Ali, head of the Political Security Branch in Daraa.

22.Brigadier General Iyad Mahmoud, Brigadier Commander in the Republican Guard.

3.Brigadier General Alaa Saud, Republican Guard.

24.Brigadier Manaf Tlass, Brigade Commander of the 105th Republican Guard. He participated in the siege Al-Abasin yard and killed demonstrators.

25.Brigadier Ghassan Bilal, Head of Security in the Fourth Grade. He supervised the torture and interrogation of the protestors.

26.Brigadier Nabih Rabea, of the Republican Guard. He participated in besieging neighborhoods in Damascus.

27.Brigadier Nasser Deeb, President of the Political Security branch in Hama. He is a nephew of General Shafiq Fayyad .

28.General Mounir Jalud, Chief of Military Security in Homs.

29.Brigadier General Mohammad Makhlouf, Chairman of the State Security Branch of Homs.

30.Brigadier General Jamea Jamea, Head of the Security Branch of the military in theprovince of Deir al-Zour. He participated in killing and suppressing demonstrators in Deirezzor province.

31.Brigadier Burhan Qaddour, Military Interrogation Branch in the Division of MilitaryIntelligence and former head of Military Security.

32.Brigadier Mohammad Khallouf, Chief of Palestine Branch who participated in therepression of demonstrators in Damascus.

33.Brigadier General Adnan Ahmed, head of the Military Intelligence Branch.

34.Brigadier Khader al-Hussein, head of the State Security Branch.

35.Brigadier General Taha Taha, head of the Political Security Branch

36.Brigadier Mohammad Akram, President of the State Security Branch in Halab.

37. Thul Hemma Shalesh, Chief of the Presidential Security Motorcade and has helped finance Al-Shabiha in Lattakia and Damascus.

38.Colonel Khalil Mulla, Chairman of the Political Security Branch in Halab.

39. Major General ‘Ali Ammar, de jure commander of the 4th Armored Division

40.Colonel Tammam El-Deeb, 53 Special Forces online in Lattakia. He supervised the killing of demonstrators in Latakia. A battalion commander and Al-Shabiha joined him inLattakia.

41.Colonel Ali Salim, Battalion Commander of the storm, 53 Special Forces. He supervisedthe storming of the city and killed demonstrators in the Jabalah area.

42.Colonel Tamim Isa al-Ahmed, Special Forces . He participated in the killing of demonstrators in Lattakia.

43.Colonel Mohammed Al Abdullah, head of the Political Security Branch in Homs and was

44. Brigadier Haeil al-Assad, head of Secret Police and Special Operations.

45.Brigadier Zuhair al-Assad, Brigade Commander in 90, to protect the capital Damascus.

46.Brigadier General Abdul Salam, head of the Air Intelligence Investigation Branch (theairport Mezze). He is a Shia

WANTED.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:34 pm

 

379. jad said:

Bronco,
I’m sure you read this:
وكالات – عربي برس
ذكرت صحيفة “وول ستريت جورنال” أن “الملك السعودي طلب من نظيره الأردني عبد الله الثاني خلال اللقاء الذي جمعهما في بداية الشهر الحالي الموافقة على تزويد المعارضة السورية بالأسلحة عبر الأراضي الأردنية، مقابل مساعدات اقتصادية”، مشيرةً الى أن عمان لا تزال ترفض هذا الأمر ولكن حسب تصريحات المسؤولين الأردنيين، فان الاردن لن يتمكن من مقاومة ضغوط الرياض لفترة طويلة.
http://arabi-press.com/?page=article&id=30159

About the 60%, I think the site is very new and not promoted well so far, so 60% of the voters might be 6 people our of 10 which isn’t an indicative of reality, and since we don’t see how many people voted we can’t take the results seriously.
Here is the site link again in case people are not aware of it yet
http://onsyria.wordpress.com/

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March 31st, 2012, 12:35 pm

 

380. bronco said:

#376 Tara

Someone called her Miss Piggy, and I am certainly not one of her admirers. Like Miss Piggy, I find her comically pretentious.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:37 pm

 

381. irritated said:

378. Antoine

Can you provide us with the equivalent list of wanted criminals in the Opposition?

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March 31st, 2012, 12:40 pm

 

382. Antoine said:

Names of Police officers from a battalion to protect the regime who opened fire onprotesters in Clock Square and ordered to fire on demonstrators on Fridays in the city of Homs:

1.Nidal Makhlouf.

2.Haidar Haidar.

3.Salama Salama.

4.Mohammed Aljacqui.

5.Issam Salama from Customs.

6.Fayyad Alhabet.

7.Hassaan Al- Ali.

8.Samer Sikone.

9.Louay Salam.

10.Ali Ibrahim.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:41 pm

 

383. bronco said:

#379 Jad

Yes, Jordan is under strong pressures from KSA but it runs a huge risk of internal problems. It has no US bases and it is very fragile.
The King may be overthrown by islamists too.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:43 pm

 

384. Antoine said:

Civilians who took part in financing and supervising Al-Shabiha of them (Al-Shabiha is amilitia armed group which killed demonstrators and members of the army who refused tokill the demonstrators):

1.Ali al-Assad.

2.Hafez Munther al-Assad.

3.Osama al-Assad.

4.Etab Al-Assad and her gang.

5.Harun al-Assad and his sons.

6.Office of Fawaz al-Assad in Latakia.

7.Rami Mansour, husband of Ahmed al-Assad’s daughter.

8.Ayman Jaber, husband of Kamal al-Assad’s daughter.

9.Firas Rifaat al-Assad.

10.Moder Rifaat al-Assad.

11.Emad Abu Bilal Abu Kenan, a retired officer from Artouz.

12.(Ali Abbas), Ali Abbas Abu Hadi of the military security district of Tartus. He was seen ina video hitting people in the village of the White Stick.

13.Muhammad al-Assad, nicknamed ‘Sheikh of the Mountain’.

14.Hassan Assad Ibn Tawfiq.

15.Hussein al-Assad, the son of Tawfiq.

16.Kamal al-Assad. Businessmen who contributed externally, financing and purchasing weapons andmilitary equipment from the black market: Solomon Maarouf:a nephew of Major General Mohamed Nasef who lives in Dubai. He tried topurchase the sniper guns from South Africa which refused to sell them, so he had to buy themfrom the black market. He owns the bulk of the TV station ‘Al-Donia’.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:44 pm

 

385. jad said:

Moderator,
Could you please deal with 6an6oun almotawahesh ‘wanted’ list.

6an6oun,
Are you the one going to execute and kill those Syrians or are you asking others on the ground to do it for you? Both ways, THEY DON’T READ ENGLISH, so you may need to learn Arabic or Urdu or Pashto to communicate with them, otherwise you only have the taliban Zouhair to plan together your crimes, one to bomb banks the other to slaughter Syrians.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:47 pm

 

386. irritated said:

#382 Antoine

Why did you skip this one, is it because he is christian?

General Dawoud Rajiha (Arabic: داوود راجحة‎), is the Minister of Defense of the Syrian Arab Republic and a former chief of staff of the Syrian Arab Army.

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March 31st, 2012, 12:50 pm

 

387. irritated said:

#384 Antoine

You better direct your thoroughly researched lists to Navy Pillay or Kofi Annan.
They can do something with them. Here we can just appreciate your “hard work”

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March 31st, 2012, 12:55 pm

 

388. Syrialover said:

Hey, Antoine (#378, 382 & 384), let’s see if you get over 50 red thumbs down to match Majed when he posted about the media shabbiha(#8).

Hurry up, distraction faction/block voters, show how much that list of suspects has upset you.

Of course, we understand, only the terrorist regime of Syria should be allowed to post lists of suspects like that.

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March 31st, 2012, 1:13 pm

 

389. Afram said:

369. jad said:
ksa seems to stay on track in their mission to destroy Syria even after Clinton’s visit, check out this crap out the mouth of the saudis:
الفيصل: تسليح المعارضة واجب لأنها لا تستطيع الدفاع عن نفسها إلا بالأسلحة
===========
Hi jad
KSA,delegated businessman Saad al-Hariri of Lebanon,now smuggler
entrepreneur to smuggle weapons into syria.

fortunately,for the past couple of months Saado have been frustrated,angered at his inability to deliver.coz

the Russian naval forces are monitoring the Lebanese coastal zone as preventive measures

The Russian Naval Base In Tartus Syria,is there to help the host country,they are not there as a Good Luck charm but a careful thoughtful(strategery)by the regime according to:George W.Bush

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March 31st, 2012, 1:15 pm

 

390. zoo said:

Post revolution Libya: Need of humanitarian help

Libya: 147 killed in 6 days of clashes in south
Associated Press – 1 hr 3 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/libya-147-killed-6-days-clashes-south-160950775.html
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Libya’s health minister says that six days of tribal clashes in a remote southern desert town have killed 147 people.

Fatma al-Hamroush said Saturday that the fighting in Sabha has also left 395 wounded.

She says around 180 people have been transported to the capital Tripoli for emergency treatment. Sabha is 400 miles (650 kilometers) south of Tripoli.

Al-Hamroush says that there is an urgent need for medical supplies in Sabha and that the government has sent large amounts of emergency aid to the city.
(..)

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March 31st, 2012, 1:15 pm

 

391. jad said:

Syrian Government: Armed Groups Killed 6143 Syrians

In this letter the Syrian government says that 6143 Syrians have been killed since “the beginning of the events in Syria until 15 March 2012″. This death toll is “due to the acts committed by armed terrorist groups”, the letter added.
“Excellency,
I have the honor to transmit herewith a detailed table on the losses incurred in the Syrian
Arab Republic due to the acts committed by armed terrorist groups. The table covers the period from the beginning of the events in Syria until 15 March 2012 and it contains the following information:
§ Death toll of civilians: 3211 people.
§ Death toll of police: 478 people.
§ Death toll of Army and Security Forces: 2088 people (as of 21 March 2012).
§ Death toll of women: 204 people.
§ Death toll of children: 156 people.
§ Death toll of directly assassinated people: 106 people.
Resulting in a total of 6143 deaths in the Svrian Arab Republic
§ Kidnapped civilians, army personnel, and police officers: 1560 people, including 931 missing people.
§ Stolen government vehicles: 2256 vehicles.
It would be highly appreciate it if the present letter and its annex could be circulated as an official document of the Security Council.

Please accept, Excellency, the assurance of my highest consideration.
Bashar Ja’afari
Ambassador
Permanent Representativg

http://un-report.blogspot.ca/2012/03/syrian-government-armed-groups-killed.html?spref=tw

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March 31st, 2012, 1:17 pm

 

392. irritated said:

390. Afram

The two only borders for heavy weapon transit to help the armed gangs are Turkey and Jordan. Iraq and Lebanon are no players.
Turkey will surely refuse to do it.
If Jordan would yield to KSA pressure, Syria will either mine the border or the Syrian Air Force will enter into action to destroy any heavy weapon entering the country and that will provoke a military escalation with Jordan: a recipe for a regional disaster.

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March 31st, 2012, 1:22 pm

 

393. Antoine said:

IRRITATED,

The list contains only those members who are directly involved in the massacres and against whom evidence exists that they signed orders. I think Mister of Defense is largely a figurehead post.

Anyway, I did not compile the list, the list was compiled by officers of the Free Syrian Army.

These are the top 14 :

1.Bashar al-Assad Commander-in-Chief of Army and President of Syria.

2.Maher Assad, commander of a brigade in the 4th Division, is the de facto leader of 4th Armored Division.

3.Major General Mohammad Nassif KheirBek, Assistant Vice President and Special Security Adviser to Bashar al-Assad.

4.General Asef Shawkat, Deputy Chief of Staff for Security Affairs.

5.Brigadier General Hafez Makhlouf, Head of Counterterrorism Section and the Department of 251 (internal section) in the management of state security.

6.Major General Ali Mamlouk, Director of State Security.

7.Major General Abdul-Fattah Qudseyyah, Head of Military Intelligence.

8.Major General Mohammed Dib Zayton, President of Political Security Branch.

9.Major General Mohammed Samur, former Interior Minister.

10.Major General Mohammed el-Shaar, current Interior Minister.

11.Brigadier General Jamil Hassan, Director of Air Force Intelligence.

12.Major General Zuhair el-Hamd, Deputy Director of State Security.

13.Major General Nazeeh Hassoun, Deputy Director of State Security in charge of operations in the coastal zone.

14.Major General Jumah Al-Ahmad, Commander of Special Forces (special units).

The fact that there are almost no Sunni or Christian among them points to the sectarian nature of the “inner circle” more than anything else.

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March 31st, 2012, 1:25 pm

 

394. jad said:

Zoo,
Ref. Clinton sectarian remarks:
“In a speech to the forum, Clinton stressed Washington’s “rock solid and unwavering” commitment to the security of the Sunni Muslim-led Gulf Arab monarchies, which are wary of non-Arab Shiite Muslim Iran.”
http://news.yahoo.com/us-gulf-arabs-urge-annan-draw-syria-next-143846530.html

That is ‘disgusting’! is Clinton a sectarian thug now? How could an American official speaks such horrific sectarian language? What next, stating that the American government is protecting ‘the Caucasian whites’ from ‘the African American blacks’?

I’m sure that Iran will use this against her very soon and she will need to explain herself, not to us, but to the Americans about her use of a sectarian language that reminds them of the Racist language they long ago fought against and still fighting to get rid of it, that is a terrible mistake by a so call ‘secular’ and ‘non-racist’ top administration of the modern world.

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March 31st, 2012, 1:26 pm

 

395. Antoine said:

SNK,

Pls note [ARROW your friend and colleague ] IRRITATED’s repeated sectarian statements against Christians in general, and this is not the first time, ask S.O.D.

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March 31st, 2012, 1:27 pm

 

396. zoo said:

Syria needs time for safe army withdrawal: official
31/03/2012
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=29069

BEIRUT, (Reuters) – Syria has said a year-long revolt against President Bashar al-Assad is now over, but that it would retain its right to use its forces to “maintain security” before withdrawing from cities in line with a U.N.-backed peace plan.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi told Syria TV that United Nations-Arab League special envoy Kofi Annan had acknowledged the government’s right to respond to armed violence. Makdissi said that handling this was a Syrian matter.

He said Syria would cooperate with the United Nations to “remove any excuses” for further international pressure.

“The battle to topple the state is over. Our goal now is to ensure stability and create a perspective for reform and development in Syria while preventing others from sabotaging the path of reform,” Makdissi told the state news channel late on Friday.

He said Syria’s conditions on its acceptance of Annan’s proposals included recognition of the government’s sovereignty and its right to security.

“The other requirement is not to harm Syrian stability … When security can be maintained for civilians, the army will leave. It is not waiting for Kofi Annan to leave, this is a Syrian matter.”
(..)

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March 31st, 2012, 1:27 pm

 

397. Syrialover said:

#388 Jad said:
“…is only interested in cut&paste the long name list they asked him to do without even knowing what he is putting.”

It seems you know a bit about that – and those you know best are instantly given around 30 or so green thumbs up by their team mates regardless of the junk they cutpaste (for great examples see the first 10 posts in this thread).

Of course, we understand, it’s unfair to enter their special distraction faction territory on SC.

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March 31st, 2012, 1:33 pm

 

398. omen said:

this goes for assad too and his thug regime!

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March 31st, 2012, 1:36 pm

 

399. Syrialover said:

Antoine, to support what you have been posting, this excellent extract from Maher Hakim’s blog:

“The die-hard supporters of the regime are its true base for power and strength as they control the most important aspects of “money” and “power” in the society: the security services, the business elite and many in the merchant class, the army generals, the diplomats, the media executives, etc. These people have traditionally benefited, both financially and in acquiring societal status, from aligning themselves with the regime and are afraid of what will happen to their privileges if the regime falls. This group is the reason why true reforms have not been possible to implement in Syria over the past decade, and it is both the regime’s strength and it’s biggest liability. Most of the violence perpetrated today inside Syria against the rebels and demonstrators is financed and executed by this group of loyalists.

It is worth noting that at the beginning of the Syrian revolt, people demonstrated against this group, and not necessarily against the president. And as it became apparent that the president is siding with the group against the demonstrators; the revolt turned against the president himself.”

http://onsyria.wordpress.com/

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March 31st, 2012, 1:43 pm

 

400. omen said:

389. Syrialover

Hey, Antoine (#378, 382 & 384), let’s see if you get over 50 red thumbs down to match Majed when he posted about the media shabbiha(#8).

by my reckoning, the 18 thumbsdown you and i got for pointing to majed’s post really should go to him. he got 36 extra thumbdowns by proxy!

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March 31st, 2012, 1:44 pm

 

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