Ghalioun Addresses Syrians for `Eid Holiday in bid to Establish Authority

Two responses to Ghalioun Address

The author of the Maysaloun blog liked the speech. He writes:

Today I watched a man speak to the Syrian people, not at them, for the first time in my life. I like Bourhan Ghalioun and his speech today, on the eve of the Eid holidays, is an important statement and a media coup against the Syrian regime. In the speech he has promised reforms, honoured the martyrs and promised a future Syria in which there will be no torture, nepotism and sectarianism. The Kurds will have their rights restored to them fully, and Syrian citizens will be equal under a fair and just constitution. He also acknowledged the efforts of the Syrian soldiers who have defected, and asked the Syrian army to uphold its oath to protect the country and not a regime. He has also warned that those who shoot people will not be excused if they say they were just following orders.

Ghalioun emphasised that whoever kills his people, steals from the country’s wealth, and that his future is a trial, and that his rule will end. This was a subtle warning to the Assad regime. He also warned that reform and a transition will not be easy, or quick. He has said that the council has many options, and that they have requested that the United Nations send independent observers to Syria. His soft spoken and calm manner is, in all honesty, a soothing balm to the turbulence and anger that many Syrians have been feeling over the past eight months. There was something in his speech that has been missing in discourse about Syria for a long time, hope…

Overall, I found the speech inspiring and it caused my skin to tingle. For the first time, I see a Syrian speaking to Syrians using clear, logical language. There was no rhetoric or tired slogans, and complete empathy with what the country is undergoing. Unlike the insulting and condescending speeches of Bashar al Assad, Ghalioun empathised with the sufferings of the average Syrians, and didn’t insult our intelligence with talk of conspiracies and subversive groups. For the first time in my life, I feel that I could belong to a real country.

Another Friend gave it 6/10 for these reasons

i just watched it for the first time (remember how I have long maintained that we are entering a long dark tunnel?)

  1. The books on the left and the flag on the right is smart.
  2. He looked me in the eye and spoke to the camera.
  3. Not reading from a text made him look smart. He was also firm and serious
  4. The rape comment was unnecessary, inaccurate and tribal
  5. Kurds are not the only relevant minority he should have talked about. The Alawi minority is by far the most critical. He missed his chance to drive a wedge between Bashar and his sect. He needed to assure the Alawis that this is not about them but about the leadership. He ought to have assured them that he and the SNC will do everything to assure their safety.
  6. He should have also talked to the Christians and said that this area was christian before the arrival of Islam and that everything will be done to ensure that they stay and add to the mosaic of Syrian society.
  7. He stole my line on the black tunnel (not fair).
  8. He should have ended by promising more appearances that would further explain to the Syrian people where he and the SNC stand on constitutional and other important matters. 8- This was his first real breakaway from the pack in an attempt to establish himself as the leader of the opposition.
  9. He did well enough but hardly a slam dunk (i rate it at 6 out of 10).
  10. While it is easy to criticise the man and his group, they are chipping away at the formidable power that has ruled this country unopposed for 4 decades.
  11. As to free elections to determine the outcome, Bashar has to decide whether to roll the dice and drop article 8 in favour of that or not. I stand by my stand that he will not. They will discuss, promise and may be even announce the article’s demise. I still don’t think it will pave the way for a real election.

LA Times [Reg]: Opposition leader tells Syrians: ‘Days of tyranny are numbered’
2011-11-06

REPORTING FROM BEIRUT — The Syrian exile community is abuzz about a videotaped speech addressed to the “Syrian people” on the eve of Eid al-Adha, the Muslim holiday that began Sunday. It is a kind of revolutionary manifesto. The speaker is …

Syria ignores Arab League peace plan CBS News

A friend traveling from Aleppo to Homs yesterday has this to say:

I didn’t see a single tank in all the usual places they are situated in in Idleb villages, rastan, Khan shaikhoon, etc. Not a single one. A friend drove 2 days ago saw them. They were there since earlier this summer. Seems tanks and army were pulled out from most places. Just arrived in Aleppo and watching aljazeera. They are giving the stage for “witness” after witness saying that the regime is putting more tanks and army units in some places! It is clear the SNC, aljazeera, the west decided to create a perception and take it to the next level. Even the checkpoints while entering Homs and Hama were extremely nice this time! They were waving people cheerfully while throwing eid greeting left and right!

Meet Syria’s Opposition by By Randa Slim in FP is excellent. Moon of Alabama below makes some criticisms, but they don’t undercut the main import of Slim’s article, which is very helpful.

Moon of Alabama | November 3, 2011

A piece in Foreign Policy by Randa Slim, “a scholar at the Middle East Institute”, on the Syrian opposition : “a critical mass of Syrians has clearly opted for regime change.”

It does not provide one fact to support that conclusion. Scanning the news from Syria my impression is that the opposition to Bashar Assad, which obviously never achieved critical mass over the last months, is now shrinking.

Indeed just two days ago the Wall Street Journal prominently headlined: Syrian Activists Say Assad Gains Advantage

Last week, massive crowds gathered in several cities, including Damascus, to pledge their loyalty to Mr. Assad. Syria’s state television, broadcasting scenes of crowds chanting “The people want Bashar al-Assad,” said some two million people gathered at the capital’s Ummayad Square last Wednesday. It broadcast fresh scenes of a loyalist demonstration in the southern city of Suweida on Sunday.”At one point, what we call the silent majority came to be aligned with the street protests at least from a humanitarian and moral point of view. But now t hey’ve stepped back again,” Mr. Hussein said.

One can assess the quality of the propaganda messaged by that “scholar at the Middle East Institute” from this passage further down in the piece:Most of the Syrian opposition agrees on a few basic principles: toppling the Assad regime, maintaining the national unity of Syria, and remaining committed to the peaceful nature of the Syrian revolution. But there are sharp disagreements over dialogue with the regime, foreign intervention, and the militarization of the opposition .

So they are committed to a “peaceful” revolution but can not decide whether they want NATO to bomb their country or continue the militant guerrilla war against the regime. And the discussion about that shows their principle commitments to stay “peaceful”?….

Syria Crackdown Aided by U.S.-Europe Spy Gear
By Ben Elgin and Vernon Silver – Nov 3, 2011

Employees of Area SpA, a surveillance company based outside Milan, are crafting a network of probes and computer servers across Syria designed to vacuum up e-mails and Web-browsing sessions, according to a person familiar with the project and documents obtained by Bloomberg News.

As Syria’s crackdown on protests has claimed more than 3,000 lives since March, Italian technicians in telecom offices from Damascus to Aleppo have been busy equipping President Bashar al-Assad’s regime with the power to intercept, scan and catalog virtually every e-mail that flows through the country.

Employees of Area SpA, a surveillance company based outside Milan, are installing the system under the direction of Syrian intelligence agents, who’ve pushed the Italians to finish, saying they urgently need to track people, a person familiar with the project says. The Area employees have flown into Damascus in shifts this year as the violence has escalated, says the person, who has worked on the system for Area. …

Syria and Iran: the great game
Alastair Crooke, guardian, Friday 4 November 2011

Regime change in Syria is a strategic prize that outstrips Libya – which is why Saudi Arabia and the west are playing their part

This summer a senior Saudi official told John Hannah, Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff, that from the outset of the upheaval in Syria, the king has believed that regime change would be highly beneficial to Saudi interests: “The king knows that other than the collapse of the Islamic Republic itself, nothing would weaken Iran more than losing Syria.”

This is today’s “great game” – losing Syria. And this is how it is played: set up a hurried transitional council as sole representative of the Syrian people, irrespective of whether it has any real legs inside Syria; feed in armed insurgents from neighbouring states; impose sanctions that will hurt the middle classes; mount a media campaign to denigrate any Syrian efforts at reform; try to instigate divisions within the army and the elite; and ultimately President Assad will fall – so its initiators insist.

Europeans, Americans and certain Gulf states may see the Syria “game” as the logical successor to the supposedly successful Libya game in moulding the Arab awakening towards a western cultural paradigm. In terms of regional politics however, Syria is strategically more valuable, and Iran knows this. Iran has said that it will respond to any external intervention in Syria.

It is already no “game”, as the many killed by both sides attests to. The radical armed elements being used in Syria as auxiliaries to depose Assad run counter to the prospect of any outcome emerging within the western paradigm. These groups may well have a bloody and very undemocratic agenda of their own. I warned of this danger in connection to Afghanistan in the 80s:……

Christian Sci Mn: Turkey’s rising clout leaves Iran fuming on sidelines of Arab Spring
2011-11-02

Once friends, Turkey and Iran are finding that their reactions to the Arab Spring revolutions are driving them apart and renewing an old regional rivalry….

France says clear Assad will not implement peace plan

French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said Sunday it was clear that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was not going to implement an Arab peace plan and there was “nothing more to expect” from his regime.

“I personally think there is nothing more to expect from this regime and that despite its occasional announcements it will not commit to a programme of reforms,” Juppe told Europe 1 radio.

“Different initiatives have been taken to try to bring Bashar al-Assad to dialogue. You can see what happened to the last one: Bashar al-Assad accepts the Arab League peace plan and the next day he massacres dozens more people in the streets,” he said.

Assad agreed last week to an Arab League peace plan aimed ending a brutal crackdown on opposition protests that the United Nations says has cost more than 3,000 lives since mid-March.

The roadmap called on Assad to withdraw security forces from protest hubs and engage in a national dialogue with his opponents, but more than 50 people have been killed since it was announced.

“I regret very much what is happening and it is not does reflect well on the United Nations,” Juppe said.

A UN Security Council resolution that had raised the prospect of potential measures against Damascus including sanctions was vetoed last month by Russia and China.

“There was a failure by the Security Council,” Juppe said, adding that France would continue to try to work within the UN to take action against Syria.

“France will never engage in a military operation if there is no United Nations mandate, and it is obvious now that there will not be a United Nations mandate,” he said.

“We are talking with the opposition, we are trying to help them get organised,” he said.

 

Comments (456)


Dale Andersen said:

It will be strange to be able to say, “Remember when the Alawites ruled Syria? It was a time when we felt like we were being raped by aliens.”

No one will miss the Assad Mafia when it is gone. No one. Not even Ann…

November 6th, 2011, 11:41 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

عميل استعمار انتهازي شيوعي ماركسي

We join 80%+ of Syrians and vote President Bashar Assad for a third term even if he would not allow us to form SNP party in Syria, will do so because we cannot, and will not; accept foreign appointed mercenaries who receive funds from criminal elements operating outside Syria. Ghalioun needs to account for the crimes perpetrated against innocent people in Syria, the murder of servicemen and accepting funds from party bent on destroying Syria. Not only he and his Council have no credibility, he is a criminal involved in a seditious plot against Syria. He is a communist Marxist and Colonial Puppet for hire:

November 6th, 2011, 11:55 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

“…Unlike the insulting and condescending speeches of Bashar al Assad, Ghalioun empathised with the sufferings of the average Syrians, and didn’t insult our intelligence with talk of conspiracies and subversive groups. For the first time in my life, I feel I could belong to a real country…”

Cool words!

http://www.maysaloon.org/2011/11/is-new-syria-possible.html

November 7th, 2011, 12:09 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

Quotes by Burhan Ghalioun:

“ The best example of this is what is happening in occupied Palestine. In no past era has a US administration given an Israeli government a free hand to destroy the bases of security, stability and future peace prospects, and challenge official and popular Arab sensitivities as the Bush administration has done over recent months since it gave the green light to Sharon to eliminate the Palestinian issue and allowed him to deal with the Palestinian people as though they were a terrorist organization. “

“ I do not believe that the general resistance of the Arabs to renewed US interference in Iraq or any other Arab state springs from any desire to preserve the autocratic or semi-autocratic regimes in their countries, nor does it spring from delusions related to the existence of weapons – of mass destruction or conventional – that might be used one day against Israeli arrogance. That Israeli arrogance has reached a point where it has killed off the credibility of neighboring states’ claim to have the ability to guarantee the security and stability of their states.”

“ And how is the US to convince Arab public opinion that the strike on the Ba’thist regime in Iraq and other targeted Arab states, and the elimination of advanced weapons are part of its desire to see greater security, stability and regional cooperation, and reduce tension – when for decades the US has been strengthening Israel’s arsenal with the latest and most deadly weapons of mass destruction and helping it publicly and openly to maintain a stranglehold on its neighbors – with Israel’s population totaling 5mn, and that of the Arabs 300mn? “

How can Arab public opinion trust the US’s preoccupation with the fate of minorities in the region when it remains silent in the face of the obvious racial cleansing project that the Israeli regime is carrying out by expanding settlements in Palestinian territories, enacting racist laws and taking control of water and other life essentials in the West Bank and Gaza Strip?

“ There is no doubt whatsoever that Arab public opinion as a whole, and especially in enlightened circles, is unhesitatingly in favor of change. Nevertheless, it rejects a plan to submit Iraq or any Arab state to a new military assault. This is not out of any love for the existing leaders and political regimes, or dread of them, or fear of their reprisals – but it is the result of long experience with Western powers, with the US leading the way, over the past three decades. “

“ If the Arab public opinion believed that what the US wanted in the Middle East – as the American media is saying while war preparations are being made – was to free the Arab people from dictatorship, set up democratic regimes, guarantee the rights of minorities, free all peoples from the yoke of oppression, open the region to outside investment to encourage development, and eliminate the causes of fanaticism and terrorist violence, then there would be no hesitation in giving its blessing to Washington or any other international power inside or outside the region. “

“ And where is the proof that the US is really striving to improve development conditions in the Arab world when it is contesting with its European allies its right to sign contracts with the Gulf states and soaking up the latters’ liquidity by forcing them to conclude unnecessary arms contracts? “

“ We know that democracy, peace, security and development are not the goals that the US is striving for by attacking Iraq as part of its public war on terrorism. States do not expend effort to promote the interests of people other than their own. In most cases, they do not expend effort – as is the case in our states and regimes – even to promote or defend the interests of their own people – but only to look after their own interests, whether strategic, political or economic. The war that the US is planning in Iraq has no connection with the interests of the Iraqi people or the Arab world.”

“ Arab public opinion fears that the US will become the only party to dictate its will on the peoples of the region in all aspects of life, just as today it dictates it on the Arab-Israel struggle and decides its results – that is to say, that the war and bloodshed should continue in a way that contradicts the three slogans which the US is using to justify the coming war: democracy, security and development. “

“ Some people say that the US, after being struck by terrorism on its own turf, changed its policy and since then has wanted to pursue a positive policy towards the Arab peoples. But the events in the aftermath of the September 2001 attack show that the US is more keen than ever to impose its will and make governments subservient to it in regions where it fears hostility, as is the case today. “

November 7th, 2011, 12:26 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

Ghallioun on Iran policy that leads to the impossibility of reaching peace with Arabs:

وبالمثل لم يطرأ أي تغير جوهري على سياسة طهران التقليدية تجاه المنطقة المشرقية. فهي لم تتخل عن مشروعها النووي الذي يثير قلق جيرانها، خاصة في الخليج، ورفض جميع المبادرات الرامية إلى حرمان طهران مما تعتبره حقها الطبيعي في امتلاك التقنية النووية المتطورة وتحقيق التخصيب على أراضيها. بل ليس من المبالغة القول إنها لم تكن في أي وقت مضى قريبة من تحقيق هدفها هذا، وربما التحول خلال سنوات قليلة إلى قوة نووية عسكرية، كما هي الآن، وذلك بصرف النظر عن الحصار المفروض عليها والعقوبات التي تتعرض لها منذ عقود. وبالرغم من زيارات وخطابات التطمين التي قام بها ولا يزال يقوم بها العديد من مسؤوليها إلى العواصم العربية، لم تتراجع طهران عن أي من خياراتها الاستراتيجية الإقليمية التي اعتمدت على دعم قوى الممانعة، أو ما اطلقت عليه هذا الاسم. وما كان للسياسة التي مارستها في العراق بعد سقوط نظام صدام حسين، وفي ظل الاحتلال الأمريكي، إلا أن يزيد من مخاوف الدول العربية من سياسة المحاور التي تتبعها، ويعمق الشك في إمكانية التوصل مع ايران إلى تفاهم يضمن الحد الأدنى من التعاون والتنيسق السياسي والأمني.

November 7th, 2011, 12:40 am

 

ann said:

Oops, the Syrian nuclear factory that Israel bombed in 2007 was a textile plant

November 7, 2011

http://www.nl-aid.org/continent/middle-east/oops-the-syrian-nuclear-factory-that-israel-bombed-in-2007-was-a-textile-plant/

Israeli warplanes in 2007 bombed the above complex in Syria, supposedly a secret nuclear reactor in order to win plutonium for bombs. Viewed from the air, the facility closely resembled a uranium enrichment plant designed by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, the one-time head of an international nuclear smuggling ring. Khan had extensive contacts with Syrian leaders in the 1980s, and some nuclear experts believed he provided them with blueprints for nuclear facilities. After a long investigation, the International Atomic Energy Agency formally concluded in May of this year that Syria “very likely” was building a secret nuclear reactor, when Israel destroyed the partially completed project, a conclusion that opened the door to punitive measures, including a possible referral to the U.N. Security Council for sanctions.

However, in the beangtiume it has become clear that the Isareli bombs did hit a nuclear project. ´A new report concludes that the facility and its thousands of fast-spinning machines were intended to make not uranium, but cloth — a very ordinary cotton-polyester,´ the Washington Post writes.´It is, and always has been, a textile factory,´ said one of the researchers, Jeffrey Lewis, a nuclear policy expert at the Center for Nonproliferation Studies. On his blog Arms Control Wonk Lewis quotes German journalist Paul-Anton Krüger (of the Süddeutsche Zeitung) who tracked down the chief engineer of the original project in the early 1980s.

Küger: I had been following the posts about Al-Hasakah Spinning Factory with great interest, as the name of the facility and the satellite image had come across my way while I did research on the Syrian nuclear program last May. I was aware about a possible connection to AQ Khan and the planned facility in Libya, but had never gotten to the bottom of the story. After reading an ACW post about Al-Hasakah (AP On Hasaka, November 1, 2011), I browsed through the comments section. One of the readers, “b”, challenged my journalistic ambitions. “B” reiterated that the site is supposed to have had East German spinning machines replaced by newer ones in the early 2000s and added “The Germans should be able to verify that.” Well, I am German, and I decided to do just that, hoping to narrow down the dates when the facility had been built and since when it had been used as a spinning factory. And as it turned out, they were not only spinning cotton there.

Krüger was able to track down the chief engineer who built the factory when working with a firm in Karl-Marx-Stadt in East Germany (now Chemnitz), which had been commissioned by the Syrians. This engineer, Jürgen Grobe, now 62, was able to explain the somewhat odd lay-out of the factory and its storage buildings, that had been taken by the IAEA (and Israel) as designed for the manifacture of plutonium and the storage of nuclear material. Both Lewis and Krüger conlcude that the factory was designed for the spinning of cotton and polyesters and from the eighties on has never been anything else than a textile plant. (Read their complete story here) . Lewis also conlcuded that this not necessarily also exonerates Syria of having nuclear ambitions. But what is clear is that Israel was wrong in bombing this facility.

November 7th, 2011, 12:43 am

 
 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

More Ghalioun Quotes, from his French blog.

“..We know that democracy, peace, security and development are not the goals that the US is striving in the Middle East…”

“…The wars that the US planning in the Middle East and North Africa have no connection with the interests of the people or the Arab world…”

“…Arab public opinion fears that the US will become the only party to dictate its will on the peoples of the region in all aspects of life, just as today it dictates it on the Arab-Israel struggle and decides its results – that is to say, that the war and bloodshed should continue in a way that contradicts the three slogans which the US is using to justify the coming war: democracy, security and development….”

November 7th, 2011, 12:59 am

 

ann said:

President Bashar al-Assad saluting a crowd outside the governorate building of al-Raqqa, 550 kms northeast of the capital Damascus, after attending the Eid Al-Adha prayer at a mosque in the town

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02047/sYRIA-POLITICS-UNR_2047905c.jpg

November 7th, 2011, 1:09 am

 

Jad said:

Here are the orders of the US to its puppets:

خارجية أميركا للشرق الأوسط: يمكن للجامعة العربية قطع العلاقات مع سوريا

قال مصدر في الخارجية الأميركية لـ”الشرق الأوسط” إن “الحكومة الأميركية كانت توقعت، منذ البداية، أن الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد لن يقبل مطالب الجامعة العربية”. وأضاف المصدر أن الكرة الآن في ملعب الجامعة. وأشار إلى خطوات يمكن أن تتخذها الجامعة، منها قطع العلاقات الدبلوماسية والاقتصادية والمطالبة بإرسال مراقبين عرب إلى سوريا. والانضمام إلى المقاطعة السياسية والاقتصادية التي كانت أعلنتها الولايات المتحدة، ودول غربية أخرى، ضد سوريا.
وأشار المصدر إلى اتصالات “وراء الكواليس” بين واشنطن وأنقرة وعواصم دول عربية. لكنه ركز على أنقرة، وقال إن الحكومة التركية بصدد إعلان “قرارات معينة” عن الوضع في سوريا. لكنه رفض تقديم تفاصيل.

مصادر تركية: مستعدون لاقامة منطقة عازلة على الحدود مع سوريا

أكدت مصادر تركية لـ”الشرق الأوسط” استعداد تركيا وقدرتها “على إقامة منطقة عازلة لحماية المدنيين السوريين على طول حدودها إذا توافر الغطاء الدولي والعربي لهذه الخطوة”. كما وقالت المصادر إن أنقرة التي أرجأت إعلان العقوبات إفساحا في المجال أمام الجهود العربية، قد تعلن عن مجموعة منها بعد إعلان فشل المساعي العربية.
وقالت المصادر التركية إن أنقرة على تنسيق عالي المستوى مع قطر التي تترأس المبادرة العربية ومع الجامعة العربية ومع واشنطن. وأوضحت المصادر أن تركيا كانت ستعلن عن مجموعة من العقوبات في رسالة كان من المقرر أن يوجهها رئيس الوزراء التركي، رجب طيب أردوغان، إلى السوريين خلال تفقده المخيمات التي يقيمون فيها في تركيا، غير أن اتصالات أدت إلى إرجاء هذه المواقف “لإفساح المجال أمام المبادرة العربية والنظر إلى ما ستؤول إليه هذه المبادرة”. غير أن المصادر أشارت إلى أنه “مع تأجيج الموقف وتعثر المبادرة قد تعمد تركيا إلى إعادة طرح موضوع (العقوبات)”. وأوضحت المصادر أن تركيا تقوم بدورها باتصالات مع الدول المترددة في مجلس الأمن، وتحديدا مع البرازيل وجنوب أفريقيا، اللتين تجمعهما بتركيا علاقات وثيقة، من أجل إقناعهما باتخاذ موقف مغاير.
وكشفت المصادر التركية أن أنقرة تقوم بالفعل بنوع من العقوبات على النظام، سواء عبر منعها الكامل لدخول أي نوع من الأسلحة إلى سوريا، حيث أوقفت سابقا 3 شحنات من إيران، بالإضافة إلى عملية “تدقيق” في بعض الحوالات المصرفية التي تذهب إلى رجال أعمال موالين للنظام من أجل الضغط عليهم ومنعهم من دعمه. ونقلت المصادر عن وزير الخارجية التركي، أحمد داود أوغلو، استعداد بلاده لفرض منطقة عازلة لحماية المدنيين على طول الحدود، مؤكدا أن بلاده لديها “الاستعداد والقدرات لفرض المنطقة العازلة، لكننا نحتاج إلى غطاء عربي ودولي”.

مصادر بالمعارضة السورية: مجلس الأمن سيبحث الأسبوع المقبل ارسال مراقبين

كشفت مصادر في المعارضة السورية لـ”الشرق الأوسط” أنها تلقت وعداً بعقد جلسة لمجلس الأمن الأسبوع المقبل لبحث إصدار قرار بإرسال مراقبين دوليين إلى سوريا.

November 7th, 2011, 1:10 am

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: SYRIAN NATIONALIST (LET’S) PARTY

RE: Quotes by Burhan Ghalioun

Sounds like Ghalioun is a pretty cool dude. But I’m gonna hold judgement on him until I read what Spammy Annie thinks.

http://viarecta.blogspot.com/2011/10/king-of-all-african-kings-is-hunted.html

November 7th, 2011, 1:13 am

 

ann said:

*** BREAKFAST WITH HUMPTY DUMPTY ***

Israeli Ambassador Oren: US, Israel have “tactical” differences in pursuit of peace

Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, discussed how the recent prisoner swap for captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit strengthened Israeli society among other topics at a breakfast for reporters sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor.

By Dave Cook / November 7, 2011

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/monitor_breakfast/2011/1107/Israeli-Ambassador-Oren-US-Israel-have-tactical-differences-in-pursuit-of-peace

November 7th, 2011, 1:14 am

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: ANN

RE: “…President Bashar al-Assad saluting a crowd outside the governorate building…”

Are you sure he’s not giving them the finger?

November 7th, 2011, 1:14 am

 

jad said:

حكاية نبيل العربي والشيخ حمد والخطة السرية للحل العربي
توب نيوز ناصر قنديل سوريا تنفرد بنشر تقرير خاص من القاهرة

في النصف الأول من تشرين الأول تمخضت مشاورات رئيس الوزراء التركي رجب طيب اردوغان والرئيس الأميركي باراك اوباما عن تفاهم محوره الازمة السورية ، بعد التاكد من قوة النظام والعجز عن الذهاب بالملف الى مجلس الامن بسبب الدوبل فيتو الروسي الصيني من جهة، والعجز عن التدخل العسكري امام قرار اشعال المنطقة المتخذ من ايران وسوريا وحزب الله في هذه الحالة ، ويقوم التفاهم على تكليف الممثليين الذكيين لاوباما واردوغان متابعة الملف ، وجاءت مرحلة كشف الاوراق فقال اردوغان رجلنا الذكي هو نبيل العربي فاجاب اوباما ورجلنا الذكي هو حمد رئيس الوزراء وليس حمد الامير ، واتفق الرجلان على جمع المندوبين الذكيين للمخابرات التركية والاميركية لبلورة خطة تعامل مع الازمة السورية .
كان على الخطة أن تنطلق من فكرة مبادرة عربية و أن ترتكز الى اربعة سيناريوهات افتراضية :
1- كيف نجعل سوريا ترفض المبادرة ونذهب الى مجلس الامن؟
2- كيف نجعل التنفيذ مستحيلا اذا قبلت سوريا ونحملها المسؤولية ونذهب الى تجميد عضويتها وبالتالي الى مجلس الامن ؟
3- كيف نضع آلية تنفيذ ترفضها سوريا إذا تعثر التنفيذ ولم ننجح في تحميل سوريا مسؤولية التعثر ؟
4- كيف نجعل آلية التنفيذ في حال قبول سوريا سببا لتغير الاوضاع الميدانية وفتح المجال للنموذج الليبي ؟

وضعت ملامح المبادرة بصورة تجعل اي محلل يتوقع رفضها من قبل سوريا وبعد أخذ ورد حدث ما توقعه حمد خلافا لراي نبيل العربي وقبلت سوريا ، بما في ذلك الافراج عن المعتقلين وسحب المظاهر العسكرية وبدء الحوار ، وتمكنت سوريا من ادخال تعديلات تتيح لها التعامل مع المبادرة بتغيير مصطلحات مثل استبدال سحب الجيش بانهاء كل المظاهر المسلحة في المناطق الاهلة بالسكان، واستبدال وقف عمليات قتل المتظاهرين بوقف العنف من كل الاطراف والافراج عن معتقلين من الازمة الراهنة بدلا من كل و ترك مكان الحوار غير محدد .
تم الانتقال الى السيناريو الثاني وبدات تصريحات حمد والعربي عن مسؤولية سوريا والتحضير لتحميلها المسؤولية، والارجح ان هذا لن يكون ممكنا بعد تصريحات برهان غليون عن رفض الحوار واعلان واشنطن عن رفض تسليم السلاح من المجموعات المعارضة واعترافها بالتالي بالعنف برعايتها وحمايتها .
الارجح هو الدخول الى السيناريو الثالث وهو الية تنفيذ تقوم على استغلال قول سوريا بوجود عقد امنية لطلب ادخال مراقبين امنيين وحماية عسكرية عربية لهم ، لخلق مناطق اختراق وفصل قوات بين الجيش السوري ومجموعات المعارضة لبناء منطقة عازلة تتواصل من ريف حمص الى الحدود مع تركيا في ريف ادلب .
يتوقع حمد أن تنجح سوريا في تجاوز هذه المعضلة بقبول مراقبين دون قوات عسكرية من الجامعة العربية لكنها ستضيف معهم روس وصينيون يوفرون لموقفها الحماية في مجلس الامن بتحميل المعارضة مسؤولية عدم وقف العنف ، ويرمي حمد المسؤولية على اميره الذي تعهد قبول المعارضة بالحوار وتغيير اداء الجزيرة وخطاب القرضاوي بعدما رفض الوفد السوري في قطر قبول تعهداته وحده واصر على مقابلة الامير لطلب الضمانات منه ويقول حمد ان اميره خرب الفرصة لعزل سوريا بالضمانات المسجلة في محضر ومنها في محضر الجامعة العربي ان يكون اطلاق المعتقلين على دفعات و ان الامير كشف الخطة بمؤتمر حوار في الدوحة كان يفترض ان تترك للمرحلة الثالثة .
يصف حمد غليون بالفرنسي الغبي الذي فوت الفرصة ويصف نبيل العربي بالتركي الشاطر لسرعته في الكتابه ويقول المهم ان تقبل ايران التفاوض مع واشنطن حول مستقبل الخليج بعد كل هذا التصعيد لانه اذا جاء اول العام وخرج الاميركيون من العراق فلن يعود بيدنا شيئ للتفاوض مع الاسد ونجاد ، وسيكون حكام الخليج قد اصبحوا في قبضة ايران قبل رحيل علي عبدالله صالح فكيف بساعة الرحيل ؟

November 7th, 2011, 1:24 am

 

ann said:

burhan ghalioun = ahmed chalabi

November 7th, 2011, 1:27 am

 

jad said:

The hawks of the oppositions who keep asking for a military action are unhappy with Ghalyoun’s speach:

الخطاب المخزي والمسكين برهان غليون..ماذا بعد؟
by Ashraf Almoukdad
شعرت بالشفقة على غليون…..فالرجل يلبس يلبس “طقما” اكبر منه بكثير….ثم تطلب منه أن يركض به….فما ان يبدأ بالركض حتى يسقط “البنطلون”

والكلسون ويفقع المراقبون من الضحك……والله يعين!!!

ماوردني عن التحضير للخطاب “الرئاسي” الذي تلاه غليون علينا يذكرني بمسلسل “غوار الطوشة” بمهزلته وشر البلية مايضحك

اجتمع “زنبركات” المجلس البيانوني المعطوب مؤخرا اجتماعا طارئا فالاخبار غير سعيدة على الإطلاق…فتخبيص غليون ووجه سحارته “شقيقة المدام” مز قضماني

قد “خرب البيت” وتنوع تصريحات هذه “الزنبراكات” في الإعلام مخزية فمن القبول بالمبادرة العربية الى التنديد بالأبطال المنشقين من جيش الغدر والإجرام

ومن عدم المناداة للحماية الدولية…..ادت الى انهيار دعم هذا المجلس المطبوخ إخونجيا طبخة اصبحت عويصة واحترقت

وحتى بدأت لافتات يحملها ابطال ثورتنا في كل مكان تندد بعجز هذا المجلس وبفضائحه …..وإصرار “الملعونين” كاشرف المقداد ووحيد صقر وبهية مارديني

وعمار القربي وصلاح بدر الدين ووسيم ابازيد وعبد الرزاق عيد وغيرهم على فضح كافة ملابسات “تخريجة هذا المجلس” المعطوب والمخزي

وبدء التساؤلات المشروعة عن شخصيات هذا المجلس وتاريخهم وبدء ظهور”الفضائح” وتاريخ مشبوه قذر لهذه الزنبركات في كل مكان وخصيصا في هذا الملعون “الفيس بوك”….

فكان لابد من اجتماع طارىء ليناقشوا هذه الاخبار …فطار البيانوني الى الاستانة واجتمع مع وجوه سحارته….ابو شفايف(احمد رمضان) “عميل إيران والضاحية الجنوبية وعبيدة النحاس (صلة الوصل بين اخوان حلب والمخابرات الجوية)و”كتّيب الأحجبة” (يللي ما عم بتزبط معه) عماد الدين الرشيد وخالد الخجة(عميل المخابرات التركية) وبقية العملاء من سحارة البيانوني…وكان السؤال”ليش ماعم بتطير العنزة”؟؟

وضعوا اللوم على غليون نفسه وعلى “اخت المدام” المشكلة ان لدى غليون شهرين ونصف ليتخلصوا منه…ولكنهم ايضا وجدوا ان هناك مشاكل اخرى كعدم الاعتراف العالمي بمجلسهم لاوبل الرفض الدولي لهذا المجلس ورفض جميع الدول”يلي بتحرز” ان تتعامل رسميا مع هذا المجلس

وشروط عربية وأمريكية بتوقيف الإقصائية والتخلص من الاعضاء ذوو التاريخ المشبوه والإرتباطات القذرة “كعميل الضاحية الجنوبية والصريف على رحلة المجلس الى مصر وليبيا” ابو شفايف (أحمد رمضان) واربعة شخصيات من سحارة البيانوني!!!!!

المشكلة بالتخلص من غليون وفي هذه اللحظة سيأخذ ورقة التوت عن أخونجية هذا المجلس ولايوجد بإعلان دمشق اي شخص يستطيع ان يكون ورقة توت بحجم غليون!!!

فجاء القرار “العبقري” بإعادة” تلميع غليون وتنظيفه وتزيينه وإعادته للواجهه…..تلبيسه باروكة…وضع حمرة وبودرة….لعل وعسى أن ننخدع”بهذا الغليون

فكتبوا خطابه في قطر…واعادوا كتابته كما قيل لي اكثر من عشرة مرات وانتظر طاقم الجزيرة ساعات وساعات وكما توقعت استلم المكياج “أحلى حواجب” في المجلس المعطوب أديب شيشيكلي فهو مسؤول الازياء والحواجب والمكياج في هذا المجلس الموقر……

وقرف “شوشو” من ربطة عنق غليون “اللون بيئرف” وتبرع بربطة عنق من التشكيلة التي يجويها “ابوحواجب شوشو “القهار”

غليون كان له اخر ملاحظات ثم …أكشن……

نقدم لكم غليون…الملمع والمنظف…..وبربطة عنق شوشو نفسه والتي أشرف على انتقائها…..

كل كلمة قالها غليون كانت مبتذلة…غير مخلصة…كاذبة…..فمحبته المفاجئة”لكردنا” كانت مصطنعة “وما طارت مع كردنا” فبعد ان تصفهم كمهاجرين آسيا لفرنسا

مهما قلت بعد ذالك لن تخفي الشمس بالغربال…

محبته المفاجئة لأبطالنا المنشقين عن جيش الإجرام رخيصة وكانت ردا مبتذلا على هجوم الشيخ عرعور المحق عليه وعلى موقف المجلس المعطوب من الجيش الحر

ولكن غليون لم ينادي لدعم هذا الجيش ابدا فهو المطلوب منه أن بكذب ولكن ان لايعطي موقفا

الكذبة الكبرى هي قوله انه قد ارسل مناديا بالحماية الدولية(أرسل لمن؟) وبإرسال”مراقيبن دوليين”!!!!! لمراقبة ماذا ياغليون؟؟؟ ثم ليتابع انه يرفض التدخل العسكري . أتحدى غليون أن يرينا نسخة رسالة واحدة أكانت للأمم المتحدة او للإتحاد الأوروبي أو للكونغرس الامريكي طالبا بها الحماية لشعبنا الاعزل

كذب غليون وكذب البيانوني من خلفه…اكرر اتحدى أن يرينا هذا الغليون اي نسخة عن رسالته الى اي جهة يطالب بها بالحماية الدولية

ثم ألم يفهم غليون والبيانوني بعد ماذا طالب شعبنا به؟؟؟

خليني أعيد لهم…..واذكرهم ان تنفع الذكرى…شعبنا طالب بالحماية الدولية…اي الحماية التي توقف قتل شعبنا…ماهي ” هي تعتمد على المجرم بشار

فإذا أوقف الإجرام بإنذار كان به إن لم يفعل فليكن الحصار الجوي فإن لم يتوقف فليكن بالقصف الجوي الشامل والكامل للفرقة الرابعة والثالثة ولتجمعات الشبيحة في كل مكان يجتمعون به قبل ان يبدأوا بقتل شعبنا

شعبنا طالب بعدم الحوار ابدا ابدا ابدا لا بالجامعة العربية ولا بالأمم المتحدة ولا بيسيريلانكا

وشعبنا طالب بالحضر الجوي …وطالب بدعم الجيش الحر…..وهذا الذي لايجرؤ غليون على ذكره فهو جبان وخائن لمطالب شعبنا وأزلام البيانوني وعملاء الضاحية الجنوبية والشمالية مهمتهم واضحة وهي الإبقاء على المجرم وإيقاف اي تدخل دولي فهو القادر والقادر وحده على تخليص شعبنا

خطاب غليون كان كذبا وبهتن وفاشلا الا بمكياجه وربطة عنقه (والشكر لشوشو)

فلا هو طمن شعبنا ولا هو اتى بخطة كيف هو سيساعد ثورتنا….وهذه آخر محاولات البيانوني “لتطيير” عنزة المجلس المعطوب تفشل كسابقاتها

زجان الوقت لتوقيف التذاكي والكذب على شعبنا…ألا يكفينا بلاوي بشار الاسد؟؟؟؟

“قلو عنزة ولو طارت”…..”قلو ولك عنزة وما عم بتطير…..شه…!!!

أشرف المقداد

November 7th, 2011, 1:33 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@STALE DALE

Let’s party baby, Assad just beat the hell out of those mercenaries you sent over from northern Lebanon, he slaughtered them like cattle, I guess he took the Moslem Slaughter fest a step forward. The local thugs that hid the foreign mercenaries were so scared when the Syrian Army showed up, they shot all the non-Syrian terrorist comrades themselves. I guess they have orders to do so from whoever sent them not to get caught and proof Assad is right about these dam foreign terrorists. I been told close to 1600 were slaughtered but you would not hear about this in the news. Someone not only ashamed today, but wondering if the remaining 13,500 terrorists trained so poorly will face the same fate. Ghalioun better find a NATO Tank to hitch a ride to Syria if he needs to become President..

November 7th, 2011, 1:37 am

 

ann said:

War and the Word Cloud – November 07, 2011

Why the usual war propaganda won’t save the American empire

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/11/06/war-and-the-word-cloud/

An alleged “nuclear weapons” site in Syria has been revealed to be a textile factory – and another of the War Party’s tall tales is debunked. To those of a skeptical mindset – i.e., nearly anyone outside of Washington – this throws fresh doubt on the claim that the Israeli raid on a supposed Syrian nuclear weapons facility at Deir ez Zour, in 2007, destroyed anything more dangerous than an empty warehouse.

The War Party doesn’t give up quite so easily, however: now we are being told that the International Atomic Energy Administration (IAEA), the UN’s nuclear watchdog agency, has a new report coming out with satellite photos of a supposed nuclear facility in Iran – just as in the case of the two Syrian sites.

Get out your bullshit detector, press the “on” button, and watch it light up like a fourth of July fireworks display.

This latest “evidence” of a nuclear threat emanating from the general direction of Iran and its allies is based on “leaks” supposedly coming out of the IAEA: we don’t even have the actual report, and yet there is a concerted campaign to create the impression that the “evidence” is conclusive. By the time we get to see what is really in the IAEA’s dossier, the Iranians are judged to be guilty no matter what it says.

And, of course, it’s just a coincidence that, right at this very moment, the US Justice Department is accusing an alcoholic used car salesman of being at the center of an alleged Iranian plot to carry out terrorist activities – including bombing a restaurant and assassinating the Saudi ambassador – in Washington, D.C.

Of course it is. To believe otherwise is to indulge in “conspiracy theories.”

Frantic and grasping at straws, the War Party is flinging as much ordure at the wall as it can muster, hoping that at least some of it will stick. As any propagandist worth his salt will tell you, the propagation of a lie, no matter how many times it’s debunked [.pdf], is a useful exercise. As the complexity of the allegations – involving technical questions requiring scientific expertise – grow, a general impression is created: a “word cloud” that hangs over the intended target, and rationalizes military action in spite of the completely bogus nature of the charges.

It’s volume over verification simply because the public has neither the time nor the inclination to look too closely at the evidence. That’s our job, here at Antiwar.com, but there’s just one big problem: the faster we debunk their lies, the faster the War Party comes up with new ones. A veritable deluge of deception pours forth from their propaganda mills 24/7 – and they have tremendous resources at their disposal.

Yet the militarists have an even bigger problem, these days, and that is the growing de-legitimization of government in the eyes of the American public. A recent poll has a whopping 80 percent distrusting the federal government and all its pronouncements and works. As in the case of the old Soviet order, people simply assume, from the get-go, that everything the authorities tell us is a lie – and that goes for the “mainstream” media as well, which is seen as nothing more than Washington’s sounding board.

This rising anti-government mindset is not purely the result of economic conditions. Although being broke often inspires clarity, that’s not why Americans are in what the elites condescendingly describe as a “cranky” mood – as if they were referring to the moods of a spoiled child. What’s really making Americans angry is the growing feeling that everything they thought they once knew as true was and is a lie.

They thought the myth of America’s invulnerable prosperity was real: they took it as a matter of faith that the march of progress was inevitable and the path of human and economic development went ever-upward and onward. Their sense of entitlement is offended – nay, violated – by the events of the past few years. They look at Greece and are shocked to realize that what we call civilization hangs by a very thin thread.

They thought the system rewarded merit, and that “free enterprise” meant rising or falling on one’s own effort. Then they watched, in disbelief, as the “too big to fail” were bailed out, and the “too small to care about” were dumped over the side and left to sink or swim.

They never thought they’d live to see the day when we had socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poor – and yet that’s the Bizarro World political system we are living under. Plutocratic socialism – only in America!

To wake up, one dull gray morning, to the knowledge that you’ve been wrong about everything, and that the entire social and political edifice of American society is an elaborate fabrication, is a life-shattering experience. What is unique about the present moment is that we are experiencing it collectively, as a people.

This makes our job at Antiwar.com much easier, as you might imagine. I just wish we didn’t have to pay the social and personal costs of acquiring this advantage. Because the costs will be high indeed – so high that we may have to pay for it with our blood.

This country is headed for a social and political explosion. The idea that we can maintain an overseas empire when, on the home front, our rulers are facing the prospect of revolution, is the very height of hubris. The last time a revolutionary movement held out the promise of “bread and peace,” somewhere around the year 1917, there was trouble aplenty, and we all know how that turned out.

If I were the Powers That Be, I would start pulling troops out of Korea and Germany now, before the mobs gathering in city centers all around the country get much bigger. Because they’re going to be needing them right here at home.

In the days before the Crash of ’08, there were discussions among our leaders about how to provide for food distribution when the economic meltdown they expected took down the supply lines. No doubt they are making similar plans for the next seismic financial event, the next lurch downward into the abyss of Depression – or are they? In any case, a key part of that plan has got to be ensuring a level of security so that emergency measures can be taken. At that point, a number of scenarios kick in – will it be Seven Days in May, or On the Beach? – which are better left to another column, or series of columns. Suffice to say here that the Empire is on its last legs, no matter which of these plays out.

This is not something to be celebrated. Empires can fall gracefully, with minimum damage to the imperial power – but only if they are dismantled quite deliberately, rather than simply lost. Because losing implies a fight to retain it, a battle that slowly (or rapidly) drains the very lifeblood out of us. The political class has no intentions of relinquishing its vaunted role as the World’s Sole Superpower, and so what we are in for is a ruinous and protracted implosion that pulverizes the social order and flattens longstanding political institutions. What’s left is a void, an enormous vacuum waiting to be filled – but with what?

I’m not betting the new order will be an improvement.

Back in the old days, at the very dawn of the 1960s, when the libertarian movement was just a collection of isolated groups united by a plethora of political fanzines, I remember seeing an advertisement in one of them – the Innovator – for a bumper sticker that read: “Save your candles, the Dark Ages are coming.”

November 7th, 2011, 1:49 am

 

ann said:

Assad says Syria’s strong thanks to its people – November 7, 2011

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Sunday, November 6, said Syria is strong thanks to its people, national choices and independent decision, and it is determined to restore its national rights fully.

Assad’s remarks came during his meeting with a number of clan seniors and political, economic and social figures at al-Raqqa Governorate Building after performing Eid al-Adha prayer

“We have no choice left but to win any battle that would target our sovereignty and national decision,” he added, DayPress reported.

November 7th, 2011, 2:00 am

 

Mango said:

لابأس من دعوة مستشارين و مراقبين من الدول الصديقة( الصين ، روسيا ، دول بريكس ) لتقييم السعي الغربي لامتطاء جامعة الدول العربية و غيرها من المؤسسات الدولية لتغطية عدوانهم المبيت ضد بلد ذو سيادة!

November 7th, 2011, 2:46 am

 

Revlon said:

Personal translation of latest announcement of the SNC
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Syrian National Council المجلس الوطني السوري

بيان عاجل حول إعلان حمص “مدينة منكوبة”
Urgen Communique: Homs city has been declared disaster area

لليوم الخامس على التوالي يفرض النظام السوري حصاراً وحشياً على مدينة حمص الباسلة، مستهدفاً كسر إرادة أهلها، والبطش بشعبها الصامد الذي تجرأ عن بكرة أبيه على رفض سلطة النظام ووصايته، وأصر على المطالبة المشروعة بحقه في الحرية والكرامة.
For the fifth consecutive day, Homs has been under choking siege enforced by Asad forces.

إن ميليشيات النظام وقواته وأجهزة أمنه تقوم بالاستعانة بالشبيحة بفرض حصار خانق على مدينة حمص، حيث بدأت حلقاته تشتد عشية اعتراف النظام مرغماً بمبادرة الجامعة العربية، وقد حال ذلك دون إدخال المواد الطبية والتموينية لما يزيد عن مليوني نسمة، وأدى إلى منع الأسر والنساء والأطفال من المغادرة والانتقال إلى مناطق آمنة مع استخدام النظام للمدفعية الثقيلة وراجمات الصواريخ والطيران الحربي في قصف الأحياء السكنية المأهولة، ومنع وسائل الإعلام وممثلي المنظمات الدولية من الاطلاع على ما يجري ونقل الحقائق إلى الرأي العام.
وفي ظل المعلومات التي تؤكد قيام النظام بشن هجوم واسع النطاق ليلة الأحد/ الاثنين (6 – 7/11) على أحياء حمص من عدة مداخل، وحدوث عمليات قتل عشوائية تقوم بها ميليشيات النظام، وانتشار الجثث وعدم تمكن الأهالي من دفنها أو الوصول إلى المشافي بسبب القصف وعمليات القنص، فإن المجلس الوطني السوري يعلن للرأي العام العربي والعالمي:
“حمـص مدينـة منكوبـة”
The city siege has prevented food and medicine supplies to reach its 2 million residents and their exit to safer areas as a result of non-stop shelling by artillary, rocket launchers and air planes.
As a result of the all out assault of the city that started last night through today, the random killing, the inability to evacuate the bodies and wounded, the SNC hereby announces Homs city a disaster area.

ويطالب على نحو مستعجل كلاً من الأمم المتحدة والمنظمات الإنسانية التابعة لها، ومنظمة التعاون الإسلامي، وجامعة الدول العربية وكافة الهيئات الدولية المعنية بحقوق الإنسان بما يلي:
We plead to the UN and its humanitarian organisations, the Islamic Cooperation Council, and Arab League to act on the following:

1. إدانة هجوم النظام السوري على مدينة حمص بأقوى العبارات ومطالبته بوقفه فوراً.
1. The condememnation of the regime and demanding their cessation of the attack.

2. إعلان حمص مدينة منكوبة إنسانياً وإغاثياً وتطبيق التشريعات الدولية الخاصة بتقديم العون الطبي والإغاثي، وتحرك المنظمات على المستوى الدولي لوقف المجزرة التي ينفذها النظام.
2. Declaring Homs city a humanitarian disaster area and proceding with relevant measures

3. توفير الحماية الدولية المطلوبة للمدنيين، وتأمين انتقالهم بعيداً عن المناطق التي تتعرض للقصف والتدمير، ومساعدتهم في إيجاد ملاذ آمن.
3. Providing protection to civilians, and means for their safe evacuation to safe refuges.

4. إرسال مراقبين عرب ودوليين بصفة فورية إلى مدينة حمص للإشراف على مراقبة الوضع الميداني ومنع النظام من الاستمرار في ارتكاب مجازره الوحشية.
4. Dispatching Arab and international observers to Homs city in order to monitor ground situation and deter regime forces from continuing their savage massacres.

5. توثيق الجرائم التي يرتكبها النظام ورفعها إلى محكمة الجنايات الدولية تمهيداً لمحاكمة المسؤولين عنها.
5. Documenting and filing the witnessed crimes to the International court of justice in order to prosecute the culprits.

إن المجلس الوطني السوري إذ يعبر عن إدانته القصوى لممارسات النظام الدموية في حمص وباقي المدن السورية، فإنه يؤكد أن عزيمة شعبنا في قهر الاستبداد لن تلين، وسيواصل السوريون معركتهم في التصدي لنظام القتلة حتى يكتب لهم النصر ويحوزوا حريتهم وكرامتهم دون انتقاص.
The SNC expresses their strongest of condemenations of the bloody regime practices in Homs and other cities, and reaffirms The People’s determination to challenge the murderous regime
until victory in reclaiming of freedom and pride.

المجلس الوطني السوري
The Syrian National Council
المكتب التنفيذي
The Executive Office

8 hours ago

November 7th, 2011, 3:25 am

 

Revlon said:

اشتباكات عنيفة بين الجيش السوري الحر وكتائب الأسد في حمص ودير الزور وإدلب وسقوط عشرات القتلى والجرحى، وعمليات الجيش الحر تسفر عن قتل عشرات الشبيحة وعناصر الامن

2011/11/07
سوريون نت ووكالات الأنباء:
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=37427

شهدت أحياء بابا عمرو في مدينة حمص ومنطقة موحسن السويد بدير الزور ومناطق في إدلب انشقاقات كبيرة في صفوف الكتائب الأسدية وانضمامها إلى الجيش السوري الحر، وخوضها معارك عنيفة بالدبابات والمدفعية مع كتائب الأسد وهو ما تسبب في وقوع عشرات القتلىل والجرحى، وقالت المصادر في حمص بأن الاشتباكات تواصلت طوال ليلة الاثنين، خصوصا وأن بابا عمرو يتعرض لأعنف هجمة من قبل كتائب الأسد انتقاما على مظاهراته ضد النظام السوري ومطالبته له بالرحيل

.وأعلنت كتيبة خالد بن الوليد عن تدمير مصفحة وقتل من فيها في حمص، بينما أعلنت كتيبة حسين الهرموش التابعة للجيش السوري الحر عن قتلها لسبعة من عناصر الأمن والشبيحة في مدينة بنش بمحافظة إدلب.

وعلى طريق بانياس ـ حمص دمرت كتيبة خالد بن الوليد باصا كان يقل ٢٢ من عناصر الشبيحة وهو ما أدى إلى قتلهم جميعا.

اعلنت منظمة حقوقية ان “اشتباكات عنيفة جدا” اندلعت ليل الاحد الاثنين في حمص بوسط سوريا بين الجيش وجنود انشقوا عنه، مؤكدة ان المعارك تجري “بكافة انواع الاسلحة الثقيلة والخفيفة” وقد اسفرت عن “سقوط العشرات من الطرفين بين قتيل وجريح”.

وقال المرصد السوري لحقوق الانسان في بيان تلقت وكالة فرانس برس نسخة عنه ان “اشتباكات عنيفة جدا بكافة انواع الاسلحة الثقيلة والخفيفة تدور الان بين الجيش النظامي السوري ومجموعة انشقت عنه في حي بابا عمرو” في حمص.
واضاف المرصد ان لديه “معلومات عن سقوط العشرات من الطرفين بين قتيل وجريح”.

كما اكد المرصد الذي يتخذ من لندن مقرا له نقلا عن ناشطين ميدانيين سماع اصوات اطلاق نار كثيف ودوي انفجارات في العديد من احياء حمص.
وقال “تسمع اصوات اطلاق رصاص كثيف وانفجارات في حي باب السباع، كما دوت انفجارات في حي باب الدريب، اضافة الى اصوات اطلاق رصاص كثيف في احياء كرم الزيتون وجب الجندلي والبياضة، في حين شهد حي الغوطة انتشارا امنيا كثيفا”.

وفجر الاثنين اعلن المرصد ان “اطلاق رصاص كثيفا يسمع الان في حي التوزيع الاجباري الذي تعرض مساء الاحد لقصف عنيف بالرشاشات الثقيلة وسمعت فيه اصوات اكثر من 40 انفجارا هزت الحي”.
واوضح المرصد انه “لم ترد انباء عن سقوط شهداء في الحي حتى هذه اللحظة”.

واضاف انه في حي دير بعلبة سمع ايضا صوت “اطلاق رصاص كثيف بالتزامن مع دخول اليات مدرعة اليه وتمركزها جنوبه”.
والاحد في اول ايام عيد الاضحى قتل 16 مدنيا برصاص قوات الامن السورية في حمص، ثالث اكبر مدينة في سوريا، وخصوصا في حي بابا عمرو حيث تتواصل العمليات العسكرية منذ ايام، كما اعلن المرصد.
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November 7th, 2011, 3:38 am

 

873 said:

Joshua,

Hope you and yours made it safely through those unprecedented earthquakes in Okla over the weekend. Highest Mag in OK history? Scientists cant figure it out… Some amateur “conspiracist” did though. 4 days before it happened he predicted it based on analysis of Haarp rings off national weather forecasts. Which he then posted onto youtube. The sight of weather warfare Haarp clouds in the morning… Keep alert Joshua, as those types of events could catalyze the New Madrid fault next door to you.

Of course King David’s Grand HAARP Project, 11,000 quakes in 3 mos in Canary Islands- more than the prior 40yrs combined, has begun coming to fruition for DoD/NATO/EU/NWO in Macronesia with volcanoes now erupting and natives evacuated. (This is not to downplay that CERN, X37B, nuke plate assistance are also factors).

Weird how the danger and explosive energy near Cumbre Vieja seems to drastically spike whenever Israel isnt getting its way. Almost like geo-blackmail?

First quake escalation coincided with Rosh Hashanah and Palestine Statehood being submitted to UNSC around Sept 27-28. Levelled off as Palestine backed down. Spiked up again the very day UNESCO granted Palestine full member status. Shot up a third time- with actual eruptions breaking above the sea upon announcement that the vote for Statehood would be held on 11/11/11.

http://www.01.ign.es/ign/resources/volcanologia/jpg/energia_HIERRO.jpg

Could Illuminati pick any other date? Unless 11/9/11 or 11/22/11??? LOLOL My what precious occult timing, so numerologically coordinated!
On cue, the zio-religious ones are already painting the dreaded calamities as “god’s punishment for dividing Eretz Israel”. Guess god got a bit of premptive help from his friends huh?

Where are they 11/11/11 week?
Pres Obama safely in Hawaii for the week’s APEC (planned in Nov 2009) while a tsunami drill will fortunately be in progress, Congress is in recess, and America’s de facto dictators are celebrating their inaugural world parliament at the coming NWO Capital, in Denver. All safely west of the Mississippi River.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_19166897
http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=247966

November 7th, 2011, 4:04 am

 

Dale Andersen said:

From the EU/CIA/JewBoy/Salafist/al Qaeda/Saudi Press:

…Syria’s top Muslim clergyman and Assad loyalist, Grand Mufti Ahmad Badreddine Hassoun, insisted Assad is “not a president for life,” but would rather return to his profession as an eye doctor.

“I am convinced that he plans to introduce reforms, step by step, that will lead to fair and free elections with independent parties — and then after a peaceful transition, he could be ready to resign,” Hassoun told Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine…

Seriously, can you see President Pencilneck as a resigned dictator operating an eye clinic in a strip mall? It would be hilarious! And when’s the last time he gave anyone an eye exam? All I can say is, he better load up on malpractice insurance…

November 7th, 2011, 4:25 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Articles of interest:

Why did the Syrian regime back down?
By Elias Harfoush
Monday, 07 November 2011

http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2011/11/07/175854.html

[Untitled]
By Tariq Alhomayed
Monday, 07 November 2011

http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2011/11/07/175852.html

November 7th, 2011, 4:39 am

 

873 said:

Daily Mail on the case:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2058436/El-Hierro-volcano-ready-eruption-Homes-evacuated-Spains-southern-Canary-Islands.html

11/9/11 US conducting the first-ever, “historic emergency broadcast mass communications test” that will practice SHUTTING OFF all internet, TV, radio, and electronic signals for a period of time. Refining the coverup/kill switch. I kid you not.

In a non false flag emergency, wouldnt you want to ensure that all electronic comm systems were FUNCTIONING ???

East Coasters better learn how to swim if that tsunami drill ‘goes live’ like 911 did.

November 7th, 2011, 5:09 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

I know it is Monday and you back to work, but sometime this week, please reply to this:

@NORMAN

Can you name me one Arab king (don’t mix others with Arabs), just ONE King or Great ruler you admire who was responsible for that Arab Civilization that you are desperately trying to associate with? Can you name me one Arab Civilization in the past 400,000 years? Can you show me evidence of past Archeological discovery of such great, not even great, any, just any other than rag tag Bedouins with intelligence less than a monkey? I can present you with enough evidence about Syrian nation and its Civilization enough to fill 10 times New York City area in archives and records. I just want you to name me here, on this blog One Arab King that you are proud of his accomplishment.

November 7th, 2011, 9:15 am

 

Revlon said:

FSA, AlHarmoush Unit Communique:
A Patrol unit from Asad Security and Shabbeha Militia was ambushed by our fighters resulting in killing of 9 and wounding of 20 shabbeeha.
07/11/2011
http://www.facebook.com/Youth.Syria.Freedom

حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم بيان صادر عن الجيش السوري الحر كتيبة ال هرموش قامت سرية أبو علي من كتيبة أل هرموش بأستهداف دوريه للأمن والشبيحه على مفرق حيش أدت الى مقتل 9 من عناصرها وجرح 20 أخرين
3 hours ago

November 7th, 2011, 9:16 am

 

Revlon said:

A video fit for a documentary on the plight of the heroes who defect from Asad army.

It documents the repeated claims of mass defections in Homs; Baba Amr in this one.

It proves the revolution’s media claims to be credible and not a bunch of lies as Pro-regime SC commentators would like to believe !

It shows scores of soldiers(I counted 60) fleeing and taking shelter in residential buildings, while Asad military patrol searches for them!

انشقاق العشرات من الضباط و الجنود في السكن الشبابي بجانب باباعمرو26 10 2011

November 7th, 2011, 9:36 am

 

Revlon said:

حمص.. وكفى
2011-11-06
وائل مرزا
http://www.alarab.qa/details.php?issueId=1422&artid=158037
waelmerza@hotmail.com

كيف يمكن لسوريا أن تفي مدينة حمص جزءاً صغيراً من حقها في يومٍ من الأيام؟ أي سرٍ سرمدي كانت تُخفيه حمص وأهلها عن الدنيا بأسرها قبل اشتعال الثورة السورية؟ أي هواءٍ يتنفّسه أهل هذه المدينة؟ أي طعامٍ يأكلون، وأي نوعٍ من الماء يشربون؟ تبدو الأسئلة بلهاء، وتشعرُ بذلك وأنت تكتبُها. لكنك تكتبها في جميع الأحوال لأنك تحاول تفسير مدينةٍ/ظاهرة أصبح اسمها حمص.

قد لا يكون في الأمر مخاطرةٌ إذا تحدّى المرء جهابذة العلوم الاجتماعية بأسرهم على تفسير هذه الظاهرة بأي طريقةٍ ومن أي مدخلٍ من المداخل. فليعودوا إلى كل نظرياتهم ومدارسهم ومناهجهم لمحاولة فهم الظاهرة. سيعودون يقيناً خائبين. وسيبقى إلى زمنٍ قادمٍ أمراً أقرب للمستحيل أن نفهم كيف تحوّلت حمص من مدينةٍ وادعةٍ، كادت أن تكون هامشيةً في يومٍ من الأيام، لتصبح اليوم عاصمة الثورة السورية دون منازع. بل إن ما جرى ويجري في هذه المدينة يجب أن يفتح بعد الآن أبواباً جديدة للدراسة والتحليل في مجالات العلوم الإنسانية والاجتماعية لم تخطر ببال أحدٍ من قبل.

سأستعير فقرة وردت على صفحة الثورة السورية لا أعرف كاتبها وتتحدث عن إنسان حمص على الشكل التالي: «رأيته يمشي وكأن الأرض تتنافس على موطئ قدمه. ثبات في القامة، وثقة في الخطوات. نضرة في الوجه هي للنور أقرب من مخايل الدلال. تساءلت في نفسي ما سر هذه الهامة المرفوعة؟!! وهذه الهيبة المهيبة؟!! لا شك أن الذهب قد شدّ من عوده، وأن الجاه قد علمه مشية الملوك. اقتربت منه وفي نيتي السؤال عما يشبع فضولي، سلمت عليه، فرد التحية بأحسن منها، وأخذ بيدي يصافحني. ليست هذه يد من تربى بين الخدور في القصور، بل يد من نحت الدنيا وصارعها، حكمها ثم اعتصرها فأخرج منها قوت يومه وثمن عزته. زاد فيَّ الفضول حتى قطع منابت الكلام مني، فلما لاحظ ارتباكي أخرجني من صمتي بدعوته للنزول في بيته فقد تفرس أنني غريب وظن أنني أبغي السؤال عن طريق. فقلت له وأين بيتك أخي؟ أجابني وابتسامة محزونة ارتسمت على شفتيه: كان لي بيت في بابا عمرو ولكنه قصف، إلا أن بيوت حمص الآن كلها بيتي. مرت بي لحظات من الصمت والخشوع لا أدري مقدارها ولكن أعرف جيدا أثرها. فقد رسمت أخدودا في مخيلتي وذاكرتي، ولم يعد هناك داع لأسئلتي فقد عرفت السر وزال عني تعجبي.. هو من منابت بابا عمرو».
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November 7th, 2011, 9:55 am

 

Revlon said:

A show of force of the Free Syrian Army in the suburb of Baba Amr, Homs.

AlFarooq phalange parade the streets, and its commanders stop to make announcements on the situation.
They also answer questions on their intentions, needs and messages they want to communicate to the AL and the world.
2011 6 11
أوغاريت حمص , بيان عن الجيش السوري الحر في حي باباعمرو , هااام جداً

November 7th, 2011, 10:08 am

 

Revlon said:

Asad army has not yet complied with the signed AL agreement as of today.
Armored vehicles could be seen around checkpoints and in a green area in Khalidiya neighbourhood of Homs city.
Second day of Eid AlAdah
Monday 07/11/2011.

7 11 Homs أوغاريت حمص الخالدية تمركز الدبابات في الحدائق العامة , ثاني أيام عيد الأضحى

November 7th, 2011, 10:19 am

 

Revlon said:

Yesteday’s explosion heard in AlGhouta neigbourhood was due to an attack by FSA unit on a pickup truck which resulted in killing three Shabbeeha.
The same vehicle was used on Friday by Shabbeeha in the shooting at demonstrators.

garit News | أوغاريت الإخبارية
أوغاريت || حمص :: حي الوعر ، قامت قبل قليل احدى سيارات الشبيحة باطلاق النار بشكل عشوائي اثناء تشييع الشهيد خالد عبد الكريم الرحيم …
حي الغوطة ، تم معرفة سبب صوت أنفجار أمس :
قام الجيش السوري الحر بقصف بيك أب في شارع الغوطة التابع للتأمين كان يوجد بداخله 3 عناصر من عصابة الأسد .مع التذكير بأن هذا البيك اب قام بالهجوم على مظاهرة الجمعة واطلاق الرصاص على اهل الحي …
about an hour ago

November 7th, 2011, 10:27 am

 

zoo said:

Egypt on the way to a military ‘democratic’ authoritarian regime like Turkey in 60’s?

Egypt’s generals risk stability for their self-interest
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/editorial/egypts-generals-risk-stability-for-their-self-interest

Egypt’s Supreme Council of the Armed Forces has an unlikely way of ushering in the country’s long-awaited democracy.

Constitutional guidelines proposed last week by the military-appointed cabinet say the new constitution would be written by 100 people: 20 from the parliament to be elected between this month and next March, and 80 named by the generals. A president will not be elected until 2013, if then; until that vote, the Supreme Council plans to run the country, a new parliament notwithstanding.
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November 7th, 2011, 10:47 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@873

Do a Google search on the rise of sea bed floor in the Atlantic Ocean. Scientists are getting scared at the massive bulge rising up at high speed, meters per month. Edgar Cayce coined the term Earth Changes, a reference to a series of cataclysm events which he prophesied would take place – including the Earth shifting on its axis, and most of California dropping into the Pacific Ocean following a catastrophic earthquake.

The first sign of this change in the Earth’s core would be the “breaking up of some conditions” in the South Pacific and “sinking or rising” in the Mediterranean or Etna area. Cayce forecast that, by the end of the century, Atlantis will rise from the Atlantic again, the great lakes will empty its water into the gulf and most of Texas will be under water, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco would be destroyed. He said that “the greater portion of Japan must go into the sea” at this time, and that northern Europe would be “changed as in the twinkling of an eye.”

In 1941, Cayce predicted that lands would appear in the Atlantic and the Pacific in the coming years, and that the coastline now of many a land will be the bed of the ocean. Even many of the battlefields of 1941 will be ocean; will be the sea, the bays, and the lands over which the new order will carry on their trade as with one another. (Google U.S. army map of future U.S. land), also search for U.S. military orders all its forces and installation moved west of the Mississippi).

He warned: Watch New York, Connecticut and the like. Many portions of the east coast will be disturbed, as well as many portions of the west coast, as well as the central portion of the United States. Los Angeles, San Francisco, most of all these will be among those that will be destroyed before New York, or New York City itself, will in the main disappear. (Google New York destruction foretold on Cathedral façade and column in title wave) This will be another generation though, here; while the southern portions of Casey also stated this prophesy at the time of the geo-upheaval:

Strife’s will arise through the period. Watch for them near the Davis Strait between Greenland and Canada in the attempts there for the keeping of the life line to land open. Watch for them in Libya and in Egypt, in Ankara and in Syria, through the straits about those areas above Australia, in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf. By this time, he indicated, a New Cycle would begin.

Casey though made reference to end of time, that is a misinterpreted period, time never ends, what is meant by prophet from Ezekiel to Casey is “END OF AGE”, that is the end of the Zodiac Pisces Age and the start of the Aquarius Age, will be in the end of 2012. His prophesy all came thru with incredible accuracy to the scenario and details, but his attempt to place exact year date was not forthcoming, his date were always ahead of the event he prophesized, but it eventually did occur exactly as he stated it will.

November 7th, 2011, 10:57 am

 

ann said:

Al-Moallem addresses Foreign Ministers on US Involvement at Syria Unrest

07/11/2011

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=102529

DAMASCUS- Foreign and Expatriates Minister Walid al-Moallem sent letters to Foreign Ministers of Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, and chairman and members of the Arab Ministerial Committees, the Arab League Secretary General, the UN Secretary General, and President of the UN Security Council, informing them that, Syria was surprised by the statement of the US Department of State’s spokeswoman calling upon the gunmen not to hand over their weapons to the Syrian government.

Minister al-Moallem indicated that U.S. step came after Syrian Government took an important step to stop violence by calling upon armed men to hand down their weapons and get released soon.

In his letters, al-Moallem said that Syria considers the US call an encouragement to the armed groups to continue their criminal acts against the Syrian people and state, which negates the claims of peaceful protests and show a desire to obstruct the initiative and efforts of the Arab League which are aimed at putting an end to the Syrian crisis and restoring security and stability.

Al-Moallem briefed the foreign ministers that the Syrian government has reacted positively to the AL initiative and is exerting efforts to implement it, hoping they would be informed of the US involvement in the bloody events in Syria and condemn it, and exert every effort to put an end to them and help the Syrian government provide the appropriate climate for implementing the agreement between Syria and the Arab League.

Al-Moallem added that Syria sees the US call as a direct involvement in the sedition and violence in Syria which caused the Syrian army, police and civilians to lose innocent victims.

November 7th, 2011, 10:58 am

 

Revlon said:

Baath Party members with 6 or more years of membership have been offered to enlist as regular members of Asad security forces.
The plan aims at merging Shabbeeha militias with the official regime forces.

حزب بعث الاسد وبخيتان يعرض على اعضائه العاملين تجنيدهم ضمن “المخابرات”
2011/11/06نشر فى: أخبار محلية
زمان الوصل
http://all4syria.info/web/archives/35330

وردت لـ”زمان الوصل” معلومات مؤكدة عن فتح حزب البعث لاعضائه العاملين باب الانتساب الى اجهزة المخابرات، على ان ينظموا بحسب الشهادات التي يحملونها.

وأكد المصدر ان الحزب اعلن عن ذلك بنطاق ضيق، وخص فقط الاعضاء العاملين الذين قضوا سنوات ضمن صفوفه فيما استثنى غيرهم.

ولفت المصدر انه يمكن تفسير هذه الخطوة كنوع من اضفاء الشرعية على المتعاملين مع الامن من الشبيحة واللجان الشعبية، ولو أن الامر يمكن ان يفسر ضمن نطاق بدء عوارض الاعياء على الاجهزة الامنية والاستعانة باشخاص من خارج ملاك هذه الاجهزة لتحمل مسؤولية فض المظاهرات

November 7th, 2011, 10:58 am

 

Tara said:

The regime is committing massacre in Homs. Horrible footage of piles of civillians dead bodies in a hospital in Homs. I am afraid that the timing of the AL “emergency meeting” next Saturday is a permission for the regime to finish off Homs. This triggers memories of Hama 1982.

November 7th, 2011, 11:08 am

 

Revlon said:

Randa Qassis, member of the Coalititon of secularist Froces to France Soir: Military intervention in Syria is probable and technically achievable.

الناشطة السورية رندا قسيس في حوار عن ثورة الحرية السورية
2011/11/07نشر فى: مقالات وتحليلات

http://all4syria.info/web/archives/35444

في مقابلة مع صحيفة (فرانس سوار) اعتبرت المعارضة السورية العلمانية أن التدخل العسكري في سوريا قابل للتنفيذ تقنيا سواء من خلال فرض حظر جوي أو التدخل المباشر، ودعت المجلس الوطني ألى اللحاق بالثوار الموجودين في الشارع , كاشفة أنه حتى الساعة لم يضع المجلس الخطة الرامية لاسقاط بشار الأسد. وقالت قسيس أن عدم تسليم الأسد السلطة قد يؤدي إلى حرب أهلية ولم تخف خشيتها من اختطاف الثورات العربية على يد الأسلام الراديكالي بسبب غياب التنظيم في أوساط الشباب المدني, مشيرة إلى أننا قد نشهد مرحلة انتقالية تقودها التيارات الإسلامية قبل أن ينظم الشباب صفوفهم و يعودوا لتولي القيادة. *** لقاء خاص مع المعارضة السورية( رندا قسيس) الناطقة الرسمية باسم تحالف القوى العلمانية في سوريا و عضو المجلس الوطني في سوريا: بعد الانتخابات التونسية في 23 اكتوبر – تشرين الأول التي كرّست فوز الإسلاميين التابعين لحزب النهضة التونسي , تعتبر المعارضة السورية العلمانية رندا قسيس أن تقدم الاسلام الراديكالي في تونس و تراجع القوى العلمانية ليس قدرا حتميا.

أنتم جزء من المعارضة السورية ضد بشار الأسد والناطقة باسم تحالف القوى العلمانية السورية, ماذا تقولون لأولئك الذين يخشون على الثورة من أن تسرقها التيارات الاسلامية على اعتبار أن الشباب الثائر و المتصل بشبكة الانترنت يمثل شريحة عصرية وعلمانية من الشعب لكنه غير منظم رسميا في إطار حزبي ؟

شاهدنا صعود الفكر الإسلامي الراديكالي لعقود طويلة من الزمن، وأعتقد أنه وصل إلى ذروته في السنوات الأخيرة داخل المجتمعات العربية. وهذا يعود لعوامل عدة منها – ضعف الأحزاب العلمانية، حسن تنظيم الحركات الاسلامية وانخراطها في الأوساط الشعبية، ما جعلها تلعب دورا اجتماعيا متقدماً. إن شعور الهزيمة المتصل بسلسلة من الهزائم السابقة جعل الانسان العربي يعتقد أن الاسلام السياسي هو الحل و العلاج لكل المشاكل. و بموازاة ذلك إن فرض التضييق على الحريات وقمع حرية التعبير والتفكير من قبل الأنظمة الديكتاتورية إضافة ألى دعم الولايات المتحدة لهذه الحركات منذ الحرب الباردة و حتى اليوم، يفسر تقدم التيارات الاسلامية المتصلة بالإخوان المسلمين وبالمملكة العربية السعودية. إلا أن الأمور

ليست درامية إلى هذا الحدّ، و لدينا عبارة شهيرة بالعربية ” داويني بالتي كانت هي الداء” , علينا ربما أن نقبل بمرحلة انتقالية من حكم الاسلاميين لكي يظهر لاحقا و بالممارسة أن هذه الحركات الاسلامية التي تعتبر نفسها دواء سحريا للأزمات لا يمكنها أن تحكم، و سنكتشف حينها أن الاسلاميين لا يمكنهم حلّ المشاكل السياسية والوطنية بواسطة الإيمان أو الاسلام السياسي المستند على اخضاع الفرد. لذا يتوجب علينا كقوى علمانية توحيد جهودنا لإرسـاء برنامج ثقافي – سياسي يهدف ألى توعية المجتمعات العربية. الفيتو الروسي و الصيني , برأيكم هل سيجعل التدخل الدولي في سوريا مستحيلا أم صعبا؟

أنّ التدخل العسكري الجوي من قبل قوات الناتو أو فرض حظر جوي أمر وارد وقابل للتحقيق من الناحية التقنية. ما ينقصنا الآن هو ارادة عدة دول و عزمهم على مساعدة الشعب السوري لإسقاط النظام بشار الأسد. أعتقد أن العلاقة بين البشر عموما مبنية على التعاون من أجل الوصول إلى المصالح العليا المشتركة، ففي المدى المتوسط سيكون الهدف الأول فكّ الحلف السوري-الايراني، و من ثم قطع الطريق أمام الحركات الاسلامية الجهادية. وفي هذه الحالة إن المصلحة تقضي بإرساء استقرار اقليمي من خلال أبعاد شبح الحرب الأهلية التي يمكن أن تأخذ المنطقة برمّتها إلى الفوضى. وبالنظر ألى الأمور من هذه الزاوية، إن أي تدخل عسكري أو فرض منطقة حظر جوي أحتمال وارد بقوة.

كيف تنظرون ألى مستقبل سوريا، وهل لديكم خطة عمل لقلب نظام الأسد؟

على الصعيد الخارجي، إن الأسلاميين يموّلون المجلس الوطني السوري و يتلاعبون به وهم حتى الساعة لم يضعوا خطة عملية لإسقاط نظام بشار الأسد. كما إن القوى العلمانية والديموقراطية في سوريا حاليا تجري حواراً متواصلاً من أجل أخذ الموقف المناسب لجهة موقفها من المجلس الوطني السوري الذي لم يتحدد بعد عدد أعضائه، والتي أقصيت عنه كل القوى العلمانية و الديموقراطية التي شاركت في مؤتمره . على الصعيد الداخلي الشارع السوري متحرك و منفعل ومصمم على اسقاط النظام، و أعتقد إنها مسألة وقت قبل أن تستجمع القوى العلمانية صفوفها بطريقة ديموقراطية. .

ماذا سيكون موقفكم لو أن بشار الأسد مدّ يده للمعارضة واقترح عليهم أصلاحات لدمقرطة النظام؟

الشعب السوري هو وحده الحَكمْ وصاحب القرار، ويعود له القرار بمدّ اليد أو عدمها إلى من قتل الأطفال . بعد أعداد هائلة من الضحايا جرّاء الحملات اليومية ضد الشعب، لا أرى أي امكانية في التعايش مع نظام توتاليتاري قمعي عاجز عن تغيير أسلوبه و إيقاف آلة القتل، لذا يتوجب على المعارضة السورية اللحاق بالثوار الموجودين في الشارع الذين يطالبون برحيل الأسد.

هل تخافون على الأقلية العلوية والكردية التي تعرفونها جيدا وعلى الأقلية المسيحية في حال قام الاسلاميين بقلب النظام من خلال إشعال حرب أهلية، أو من خلال الفوز بالانتخابات؟

تشكّل الأقليات الأثنية والدينية في سوريا حوالى 35 إلى 40 % من السكان، وهي أقليات علمانية بسبب هواجس حماية نفسها ومن أجل البقاء، ناهيك عن السُنّة العلمانيين الذين يشكّلون ما بين 10 و 15% من السكان. من هنا يمكن القول أن الاسلاميين في سوريا لا يمكنهم فرض أسلوب حياتهم على أكثر من نصف الشعب السوري، الذي من الممكن أن يرفضه بقوة ما قد يسبب عدم استقرار في البلد. إضافة ألى ذلك يجب عدم نسيان أن العلمانيين أصبح لديهم خبرة وثقة في قدراتهم على التجييش في وجه كل فكر توتاليتاري. لكن حقيقة نحن لا نستطيع أن ننكر فرضية الحرب الأهلية التي يمكن أن تلقي بثقلها على المنطقة بأكملها في حال لم يسلّم الأسد السلطة قريبا إلى حكومة انتقالية تعددية.

November 7th, 2011, 11:11 am

 

bronco said:

#36 Ann

The US is showing its goal in Syria: You become our puppet or you get a civil war.

Whatever the Syrian regime has done, it has always respected diplomatic relations and has always showed restrain when attacked cheaply by US arrogant crows like Victoria Nuland, Heckle Ford.

November 7th, 2011, 11:12 am

 
 

Revlon said:

Someone on this blog wondered why haven’t Asad army, security forces and Shabbeha militia combined haven’t been able to finish off the Revolution in Homs?

Here is a photo of one of many many thousands of reasons!

http://all4syria.info/web/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/385134_303440529685128_100000575505777_1188610_2079869006_n.jpg

November 7th, 2011, 11:25 am

 

Revlon said:

41. Thank you annie!

November 7th, 2011, 11:29 am

 

bronco said:

#38. Tara

Only civilians?
Calamity Vicky said to the ‘peaceful protesters’: “Use your weapons” so what do you expect?

November 7th, 2011, 11:32 am

 

873 said:

SNP,

Have been well aware of Cacye for decades. So is the US Navy. They plotted their ‘post-Nibiru’ map off his Pole Shift specs. Not sure if Cayce was a quack or not- but military have long taken him very seriously- and they are calling the shots, so I guess we’d better heed his stuff on that basis. Old blueprint, still 100% operative:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/66951277@N04/6195523786/in/set-72157627656564619

Vatican Option vs Samson Option
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uk-and-france-vow-to-halt-palestinian-un-bid-6257576.html

Revamped
This may have been what those in Banda Aceh were referring to in 2004 after the Boxing Day catastrophe? By now, modern tech refinements have cleaned up any payload defiencies.
Project Seal (also known as the Tsunami bomb) was a programme by the New Zealand military run with US/UK to develop a weapon that could create destructive tsunamis. This weapon was tested in Whangaparaoa off the coast of Auckland between 1944-1945. The experiments were conducted by Professor Thomas Leech. British and US defence chiefs were eager to see it developed and it was considered as important as the atomic bomb. It was expected to cause massive damage to coastal cities; it could have even been used with a nuclear charge. The weapon was only tested using small explosions and never on a full scale. After 4000 test explosions over a seven-month period, none of which generated an appreciable tsunami, the project was closed down when it was determined that there were errors in the theoretical basis of the plan. The top secret documents on Project Seal were only declassified in 1999. A copy of the declassified report is available to the public at the Scripps Institution Of Oceanography Library in San Diego, California. Portions of the report can be downloaded from the Center for UFO Truth in the Shared Documents section[1] [2][3].

November 7th, 2011, 11:36 am

 

Areal said:

41. annie said:

Burhan Ghalioun’s speech subtitled in French

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSNCchannel#p/a/u/1/cMVMVp6usDc

REALITY
This video with the French translation from the SNC official channel is full of grammar and spelling mistakes.
Not very good for a professor at the the french Sorbonne University.

Also his sentence on the English version:

“every home in Syria has experienced the loss (of) a father , the rape of a daughter,and the arrest and disappearance of a young man or child ”

is utterly wrong and any Syrian in Syria knows that it is a LIE until now but it could be real if Ghalioun’s SNC succeeds with their foreign intervention.

November 7th, 2011, 11:58 am

 

N.Z. said:

Dear Shabbehat al Assad, My Syrian Brethren,

Hope you still have the same zeal to stand by the Syrian army, today, as you did for the past seven months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqMSM1rssY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

A free Syria, the New Syria!

November 7th, 2011, 12:24 pm

 

ann said:

Patriarch Hazim rejects foreign calls for protecting Christians in Syria

Nov 07, 2011

http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/07/380390.htm

DAMASCUS, (SANA)-Patriarch of Antioch and All the East for Greek Orthodox Ignatius IV Hazim said that the foreign sides which claim that Christians in Syria are oppressed are rejected, adding “Christians in Syria live in peace, but they only fear the international calls for protecting them.”
Hazim, during a speech to the Syrian TV broadcast Monday, rejected voices which call for a foreign intervention, asserting the national unity and supporting the reform program led by President Bashar al-Assad.
He underlined that the Syrian people fight all that could turn them to strangers, adding that coexistence is not a new thing, but it is part of their history.
“Whenever I meet foreign delegations, I tell them that what is going on in Syria is an odd event that might happen in any country and that visitors of Syria have to see and inspect the real events here,” Patriarch Hazim said.

November 7th, 2011, 12:32 pm

 

Mina said:

So the Syrian Americans should fight for a free Syria when they have nothing to say about any freedom remaining for American politicians? I bet they deserve the “loyalty test” Bushists were planning to impose!

“The Palestinians are slated to receive some 200 million dollars in U.S. security assistance after a top House Republican ended her hold on the money.

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, informed the Obama administration in recent weeks that she no longer would block 50 million dollars in economic support funds for the Palestinian Security Forces and 148 million dollars in other assistance.

In separate letters to the State Department and USAID, Ros-Lehtinen cited President Barack Obama certification that the funds were in the national security interests of the United States as well as word that the government of Israel did not object to the assistance. The letters were sent in September and October.

In an interview with The Associated Press last month, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the administration has reached out to Israel, which has an interest in maintaining security aid to the Palestinians, to help urge Congress to continue assistance. “We’re asking the Israelis on a case-by-case basis,” she said. ”

(Read more..
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-s-renews-financial-aid-to-palestinians-after-un-statehood-row-1.394237)

November 7th, 2011, 12:34 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara

Civilians? Even the biased Zeina Karam dares say ‘defectors’ and ‘armed resistance’ now and not ‘peaceful protesters’.

Syrian troops fight defectors in besieged Homs

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-troops-fight-defectors-besieged-homs-130227012.html

BEIRUT (AP) — Syrian troops stormed a defiant neighborhood of the embattled city of Homs on Monday, kicking in doors and making arrests after nearly a week of violence pitting soldiers against army defectors and protesters demanding the downfall of President Bashar Assad, activists said.

It was not immediately clear whether government troops had regained control of the Baba Amr district, where the government is reportedly facing armed resistance from army defectors who have taken refuge in the neighborhood and in surrounding districts.

{…}

November 7th, 2011, 12:38 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

From the EU/CIA/Saudi/Salafist/JewBoy/al Qaeda Press:

“…In the coastal city of Banias, worshippers leaving from Al-Radwan mosque staged a rally calling for the “fall of the regime” and the execution of the president…”

Execution of the President. Wow! That’s you, Besho…

November 7th, 2011, 12:48 pm

 

ann said:

“Even the biased Zeina Karam dares say ‘defectors’ and ‘armed resistance’ now and not ‘peaceful protesters’.”

She will lose her job for saying that. lol

November 7th, 2011, 12:48 pm

 

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Former Syria VP leads new opposition group (Reuters)

7 November 2011, 9:44 PM
PARIS – A new Syrian opposition group backed by Bashar al-Assad’s former Vice-President Abdul-Halim Khaddam said on Monday it wanted to unify the various opposition strands and use “all means” necessary to oust the Syrian leader.

The National Committee to Support the Syrian Revolution was unveiled in Paris on Monday with 65 founding members including lawyers, businessmen and doctors as well as Khaddam, who served Assad and his father Hafez al-Assad for nearly 30 years.

The group, which has yet to make contact with other opposition groups such as the Syrian National Council (SNC), said it had grown frustrated by the various opposition groups’ inability to unite and cited a lack of an emblematic figure as a main obstacle to galvanising Syrians.

“This committee is not in competition with anybody,” Khaddam, who fled to Paris in 2005, said. “We don’t want to discredit the SNC or its members and respect everybody that is working towards ending the massacres, but for now the opposition is not united … and despite all these initiatives we don’t have a clear message — to bring the regime down.”

Khaddam tried four years ago to establish a government-in-exile but fell out with other opposition groups and is widely mistrusted by Syrian dissidents who recall his time in office.

“We will support the opposition by using all means whether inside or outside the country,” he said.

Troops loyal to Assad have moved into a residential district of Homs, Syria’s third-largest city, after six days of tank bombardment that killed scores of people and wounded hundreds in the city in a continued military crackdown to suppress protests and an emerging insurgency.

Assad’s government agreed last week to a plan by Arab states to end hostilities, withdraw troops from cities and free prisoners, but the opposition says violence has continued and dismissed the government’s motives.

National Committee President Talal Al-Terkawi, a Syrian businessman from Homs now based in Saudi Arabia, said Arab nations had still not understood that Damascus was merely playing for time. “Arab nations have to understand once and for all the will of the government doesn’t exist to stop the massacre. They are trying to gain time to continue killing,” Terkawi said.

“Our people can’t continue to wait. The Arab League has failed and the Arab world has to understand once and for all that the desire of the Syrian regime to find a solution and stop the repression doesn’t exist,” he said.

Terkawi called for the international community to intervene in Syria and establish a no-fly zone similar to Libya that would enable army defectors to “rise up”. There has been no sign of an appetite in the West for military intervention.

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November 7th, 2011, 1:17 pm

 

newfolder said:

so how do the minhbakji crowd explain away this video of security forces armed with kalashnikov rifles firing at unarmed protesters, filmed in hd clear quality in Qaboon Damascus?

November 7th, 2011, 1:17 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@STALE DALE

I am wondering, thinking hard…..

Who possesses that incredible low intelligence and in fact is bipedal, plotting the delivery of entire North Africa to be an Islamic Sharia States on Iran and Russia sides by next year or so? Who is doing the planning for the Syria Civil War that is failing miserably? Forcing Assad deeper into Iran alliance and fortification, and forcing Iran’s into deeper antagonism with the entire neighborhood. It is obvious someone that have no feeling to the people suffering, a Reptilian perhaps, or a hybrid, born in a test tube at Dulce Labs, N.M., who eat human flesh and drink human blood to keep his humanity appearance no doubt. Is that what the U.S. policy makers are out to do, or the planning and execution is so idiotically stupid, it is turning out that way? Are you aware that this is not in the end bringing any cash to the Military Industrial Complex, because there will be no cash left in year or so to pay them, even if a miracle happened and managed to reach the goal they plotted for, they (countries) all will be broke, Saudi Bedouin included, they will not be able to get a drop of oil out of the unholy ground that Reptilian inspired and guided Mohammed desecrated with his filth. They will attempt to draw their cash and cold reserves out of Western bank to eat and that will further shrink liquidity and not only cause the collapse of trillions in derivatives but a sudden “master plan change” to invade those Bedouins, just to freeze their assets and cease the oil fields and whatever hidden in their central banks, just as they did to Libya when Chavez demanded repatriation of his gold from Rockefeller-Rothschild holdings. So are there also these emergency plans ready as well?

November 7th, 2011, 1:22 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@54. newfoldersaid:

No one care about their fate and misery, they willfully chose to be used by Syria’s enemy, trusted deceivers and they knew the risk. It is now proven that Bashar Assad is telling the truth, that a foreign conspiracy do exists, and that mercenaries are being sent to Syria to start a “SET UP”, a classic one, that has been repeated over and over now. All this theater is a bid to invade Syria and install a compliant puppet regime and live under occupation and submission as a sectarian divided State.

Therefore, all activities you are talking about should be considered part of the conspiracy to deprive Syria of it national State and be treated as unlawful enemy combatants, mercenaries action, and engaged in a conspiracy to aid and abet foreign enemy. Rather than helping the plotting enemy, if they are Syrian Nationals, they should have been lining up at the local army recruiting office and enlisting to support the Syrian Government in manning check points, intelligence gathering and fighting the foreign mercenaries sent from all sides of Syria. No one is fooled by the fake and fictitious installing of SNC crap front or begging an enlisted army man to dessert and become a front to deceive Syrians and the world that the destabilizing and criminal action is in fact carried out by Syrians, which is not, it is a foreign conspiracy and Assad should deal with it as such.

When the conspiracy is defeated and the National Homeland is safe and secure, then Syrians should unite and find internal and Nationalistic ways and means to bring about reforms in Syria. Now they are called : Traitors, enemy combatant, unlawful insurgents, foreign aided mercenaries, they are not liberators, you are not liberator and freedom fighter when you seek foreign enemies to come and invade, occupy your country and kill your people, use swords to dismember innocents. In Syria, we are smart enough to know that, you can take your crap and sell it to read idiots named BA KI SUNG YOUNG MOON or ALKHRA AL ARABI.

November 7th, 2011, 1:51 pm

 

bronco said:

#53 Norman

“A new Syrian opposition group backed by Bashar al-Assad’s former Vice-President Abdul-Halim Khaddam said on Monday it wanted to unify the various opposition strands and use “all means” necessary to oust the Syrian leader.

Welcome to the club of the S.E.O’s ( Syrian Expat Opposition)!

The SNC will be very happy to join forces with Khaddam! The more we are, the more we have fun!

November 7th, 2011, 2:16 pm

 

N.Z. said:

54, New Folder,

The clip you posted is a clear example of how the regime “insecurity forces” respond to peaceful protesters that the regime claims not to be targeting. The thugs claim that they are fighting”only” armed protesters?!

This is how all protests started, peaceful, unarmed, calling for the end of brutality, rightly so. The regime treats these legitimate protesters with fire and arm, more live ammunition, torture…. killing is the only language senior thought his cubs.
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I asked Majd whether he supported the militarisation of the revolution in the face of the cruel reality the city is facing every day, and the current lack of any political solution for this crisis.

“I’m scared by that thought,” he replied. “I am torn between my wish to see a civil state in Syria, where each individual belongs to no entity other than their country, and wanting to see this killing end at any cost, even if it means militarising the revolution. I would be lying if I said that I did not think of carrying arms after my comrades were killed.

“But what stops me from doing it is my certainty that whoever I will kill is none other than a Syrian citizen, and with him [I would kill] the dream for which I joined the revolution.”

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/3071/its-simply-an-announcement-of-death

November 7th, 2011, 2:24 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

#54 newfolder above said, duplicating #584 newfolder in the previous thread:

so how do the minhbakji crowd explain away this video of security forces armed with kalashnikov rifles firing at unarmed protesters, filmed in hd clear quality in Qaboon Damascus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqP4uclj6o

He’s a duplicate of what I said in reply about it at #614 in the previous thread yesterday:

This high resolution video was uploaded at youtube today and has so far attracted 78 comments at youtube. I’d like to hear any anyone comment who’s seen bogus videos before. I say the first eight seconds were filmed at a quite different time than the rest of the video(even though I see the yellow taxi with license plate 3P13 appears before and after). The crowd you see before time 0:08 clearly exhibits unawareness of the large crowd you see after time 0:08. And the crowd you see after time 0:08 clearly exhibits unawareness of the crowd you see before time 0:08.

Once you accept I’m right about that, the video as a whole is an attempted fraud.

Next, to evaluate what’s to be seen after time 0:08 we’d need to know from a reliable source when and where it was recorded, and we can’t assume it was in Damascus, nor today, just because that’s what the youtube uploader says.

November 7th, 2011, 3:11 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

A few days ago I read somewhere a comment that said roughly this: “The resort to arms by a minority of Islamists, allegedly to defend the protesters, backfired on the protest movement as a whole. It moved the daily news cycles inside the country away from the peaceful demands for change and onto the fatalities and injuries of the State’s security personnel, and estranged mainstream Syrian public opinion from the protest movement.”

The above came to my mind as I was taking a look at today’s news that is on the home page of http://www.sana.sy/index_eng.html as I write right now. I can assure you from past experience that these news stories at SANA are a very good indicator of what’s on Syrian State TV news and Addounia TV news tonight.

News Story (1) “Defense Minister Gen. Dawood Abdullah Rajiha on Monday visited military hospitals in Damascus, accompanied by senior army commanders and officers. Rajiha met the injured army members, offered them congratulations on the occasion of Eid, wishing them speedy recovery.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/07/380383.htm

News Story (2) “President al-Assad in remarks in Raqqa on Sunday said that the Syrian people are steadfastly standing up against sedition, terrorism and foreign interference.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/11/07/380231.htm

News Story (3) “Syria was surprised by the statement of the US Department of State’s spokeswoman calling upon the gunmen not to hand over their weapons to the Syrian government. Foreign Minister al-Moallem said [dated: today 7 November] that Syria considers the US call an encouragement to the armed groups to continue their criminal acts against the Syrian people and state, which negates the claims of peaceful protests and shows a desire to obstruct the initiative and efforts of the Arab League.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/07/380287.htm

News Story (4) “Interior Minister Lt. Gen. Mohammad al-Shaar on Sunday visited the injured army and police members who were targeted by the armed terrorist groups while they were performing their national duty in preserving the homeland’s security and stability. The Interior Minister congratulated the injured at the Police Hospital in Damascus Countryside on the occasion of Eid al-Adha and wished them quick recovery, expressing appreciation of their sacrifices for the sake of protecting their people and homeland. The acts of the armed terrorist groups contradict the morals and values of the people of Syria, he said.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/06/380245.htm

News Story (5) “Syria’s Development and Reform Youth Team on Monday organized a solidarity visit to Police Hospital in Harasta to express their appreciation of the sacrifices offered by army and police men who were targeted by terrorist armed groups during their fulfillment of the national duty in defending Syria’s stability and security. Members of the team presented flower bouquets and symbolic gifts to the injured, appreciating their sacrifices to defend their homeland’s dignity.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/07/380356.htm

News Story (6): One dead solider of the Syrian army was escorted from Homs military hospital to his final resting place in Hama today Monday. He was killed in Homs city. http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/11/07/380306.htm

Meanwhile, no news at SANA today about civilized institutional reform.

November 7th, 2011, 3:13 pm

 

ann said:

*** VETO! *** hehehehehe

Russia drums up support for Syria peace – Nov 8, 2011

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/11/08/60011989.html

Russia’s FM Sergei Lavrov calls on his colleagues in many countries and the heads of international organizations to support a peace roadmap for Syria proposed by the Arab League, and which has already been embraced by Damascus.

Russia welcomes as a step in the right direction President Bashar Assad’s decision to free hundreds of detained opposition activists and pardon militants who agree to lay down their arms.

At the same time, Moscow wants the Syrian opposition to distance itself from extremists who provoke government crackdowns in order to derail the peace plan, proposed by the Arab League.

November 7th, 2011, 3:33 pm

 

ann said:

Hague urges sanctions, not military force, against Syria – 2 hrs ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j4XcSQzO8XvZJChLWv5Yudh_T4Hw?docId=CNG.61b58ac163e066669eb56b711288c9d7.441

STRASBOURG — Foreign Minister William Hague called Monday for “ever-increasing” international pressure, rather than military intervention, to end the violent repression in Syria.

“I don’t think the answer to (the repression) now or subsequently would be a military intervention from outside,” Hague told reporters in Strasbourg after a meeting of Council of Europe ministers.

The situation in Syria is “dramatically more complex” than that in Libya before NATO intervened in March, he said.

“We will not be able to apply the same answer in Syria as in Libya,” he said. “I do think however we should apply ever-increasing international pressure to the Assad regime.”

Additional sanctions against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad are the way forward, Hague said.

“Of course, the UK would like to be able to pass a resolution at the UN Security Council bringing the condemnation of the world on the use of force against civilians by the Syrian regime,” he said.

Syria is currently under EU and US sanctions, but Russia and China vetoed a UN Security Council resolution against Amman in October.

Hague’s comments came as the opposition Syrian National Council called for “international protection for civilians” in the flashpoint central city of Homs, besieged by government forces and the scene of deadly clashes between soldiers and alleged army deserters.

Hague said he “deplored” the brutal crackdown since anti-regime protests broke out mid-March, in which around 3,000 people are thought to have died, according to UN estimates.

“Obviously we have to judge the Syrian regime by its actions, not by its words. Its actions remain completely unacceptable and in total violation of the most basic concept of human rights,” Hague said.

“It’s particularly disappointing that it is taking place now, after the Syrian government said a few days ago that it had accepted the request of the Arab League to withdraw its forces from towns and cities, to release political prisoners and to end the killings,” Hague said.

The Arab League has accused Syria of failing to honour its commitment to an Arab-sponsored plan to end violence against protestors.

The United States said Monday it would firm up sanctions against Syria.

November 7th, 2011, 3:47 pm

 

newfolder said:

amazing footage of the Free Syrian army on the streets of Baba Amro Homs and an officer gives a statement

November 7th, 2011, 3:58 pm

 

ann said:

Pushing Syria over the brink into collapse – Tuesday 8 November 2011

The government cannot crush the protesters and the protesters cannot oust the regime.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/203211/pushing-syria-over-brink-collapse.html

The government cannot crush the protesters and the protesters cannot oust the regime.

The Arab League pacification plan for Syria is faltering because neither the government nor its opponents are abiding by the deal while the US has intervened with the aim to torpedoing it.

The plan, agreed last week by the League and the regime, calls for an immediate halt to violence, the release of detainees, withdrawal of the military from residential areas, and freedom of entry and movement for League monitors and international media. If there is progress within two weeks, the League would initiate dialogue between the government and opposition.

While the League demanded most of the regime, the organisation also called upon the opposition to halt armed attacks on the security forces and supporters of the regime and to agree to talk to the government.The government has not pulled troops and tanks out of cities and towns but has freed 553 prisoners from the thousands held since unrest began in March and proposed an amnesty for men who have taken up arms or deserted the armed forces if they surrender to the police by next weekend.

Blatant interference
However, the Obama administration, which has repeatedly called upon President Bashar al-Assad to stand down, warned against acceptance of the amnesty offer, prompting the Syrian government to accuse Washington of “blatant interference” in the country’s internal affairs. The opposition called the amnesty offer a sham and a trap and appealed to soldiers and officers to defect. Faced with the possible failure of an initiative he has been promoting for several weeks, Arab League chief Nabil El-Araby warned of “catistrophic consequences” and Qatar has called for an emergency League ministerial meeting on Saturday.

What is happening in Syria? On one hand, there are genuine protests against a government that has privatised the economy, creating a new class of wealthy businessmen, while the urban and rural poor have been impoverished. These protests have been exploited by the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood and anti-regime exiles backed by external powers, including Saudi Arabia and the US, with the aim of bringing down a government which is allied to Iran, the chief regional rival of both Riyadh and Washington. The recently formed Syrian National Council rebuffs dialogue but Building Syria, a movement largely based inside the country, urges unity and proposes talks.

The regime argues, on the other hand, that it faces an armed insurgency supported by outsiders and insists that unrest must be suppressed before major reforms — it admits are essential — can be enacted. The sides are deadlocked: the government cannot crush the protesters and the protesters and allied armed elements cannot oust the regime. Consequently, some opposition factions have appealed for external military intervention although a majority of Syrians and Western powers reject foreign involvement.

In the view of the Brussels-based International Crisis Group (ICG), the League plan provides “an opportunity to seek a negotiated transition before the conflict takes an even uglier turn.” The ICG urges the government, the opposition and the international community to endorse the League plan and give “Damascus a genuine opportunity to live up to its commitments” in order to stave off full-scale civil war which would be a disaster for West Asia.

Writing in the Guardian of London, former European Union regional adviser Alastair Crooke argued that Syria’s troubles stem from Sunni Saudi Arabia’s determination to oust the Assad regime in order to weaken Syria’s allies in Shia Iran and Lebanon’s Hizbollah movement. The Saudis expect a Syrian successor regime to be dominated by the country’s Muslim Brotherhood and ultraorthodox Sunni elements who have been unleashed by the Arab Spring in Syria, Tunisia and Egypt, creating a militant Sunni current in the region to counter the radical Shia current promoted by Iran.

Crooke does not mention, however, that the west and Saudi Arabia have for decades formed a common front against non-aligned pan-Arab secular regimes, like those in Egypt (1952-70), Iraq (1958-2003), Algeria and Syria. Algeria’s regional ambitions were tamed by a decade-long conflict 1991-2001) with religious fundamentalists, leaving Syria the sole survivor of the secular pan-Arab nationalist camp.These revolutionaries generally adhere to the secular pan-Arab model while putting forward the demands for multi-party democracy, clean governance and imposition of the rule of law.

So far, the Syrian armed and security forces have remained loyal to the regime, the middle class in Damascus and Aleppo has failed to join in the protests, and protesters have not been able to muster the hundreds of thousands who brought down former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. However, violence between majority Sunnis and minority Shia Alawites is on the rise and sanctions are wrecking the economy, threatening to push Syria over the brink into political and financial collapse.

November 7th, 2011, 3:58 pm

 

ann said:

63. newfolder said:
“amazing footage of the Free Syrian army on the streets of Baba Amro Homs and an officer gives a statement”

any amazing footage of the incredible “free syrian army” fighting israel on the Golan hights? pictures maybe?

November 7th, 2011, 4:03 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

As quoted by #62 Ann, the British foreign ministry today is “urging additional sanctions, not military intervention, against Syria”. I remember in July the British foreign ministry declared that it didn’t want to do any trade sanctions that could be effectively characterized by pro-regime spokespeople as targeting the Syrian population at large; rather the ministry wanted to do only such trade sanctions as would target the Syrian government and the Syrian military. But then in September the British agreed to participate in EU trade sanctions that target the whole economy.

From an opinion dated 2 nov 2011 by Nicola Nasser: The infrastructure of the Syrian state is strong; the military, security, and political ruling establishment stands coherent, unified and potent; economically the state is not burdened with foreign debt; and is self-sufficient in oil, food and consumer products. Imposing a complete suffocating economic and diplomatic siege on Syria seems impossible.

I agree and I’d like to highlight that bit that the “ruling establishment stands coherent” — logically, intellectually and rationally coherent. Not just coherent but correct, virtuous and wise.

November 7th, 2011, 4:13 pm

 

ann said:

As quoted by #62 Ann, the British foreign ministry today is “urging additional sanctions, not military intervention, against Syria”.

They’re going to break the hearts of countless israelis racists and supporters of islamist terrorist posters on this blog.

cheer up losers

hehehehehe

November 7th, 2011, 4:21 pm

 

newfolder said:

#59 same answer when any loyalist half brain is presented with evidence: it must be fabricated by Zionists and Salafis in Doha, lol.

and lol at ANN 65 – no, any footage of Assad’s army fighting Israel during the last 40 years? didn’t think so, they can only shell and destroy Syrian cities. When Israeli warplanes flew over Bashar’s palace they shit themselves. When they blew up Bashar’s nucler reactor they crapped themselves. Really brave men the former Syrian army, now known as “Bashar’s Alawi militia”.

November 7th, 2011, 4:24 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

@65 Ann.

“any amazing footage of the incredible “free syrian army” fighting israel on the Golan hights? pictures maybe?.”

Im sorry Ann but that is just a ridiculous comment. In fact I suspect the regime will not welcome bringing attention to their decades of silence on the Golan front.

November 7th, 2011, 4:25 pm

 

ann said:

68. newfolder

Syria doesn’t need a syrian army anymore, they have the brave and amazing free syrian army (15,000 strong) to stand up to israel and free the occupied syrian golan heights.

btw don’t you have a palestinian child to starve and kill today?

November 7th, 2011, 4:42 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

The footage in Aljazeera showed a pile of dead bodies of civillians. I am hoping the regime has an oz of decency and not let the bodies of dead soldiers (dying in vain defending Bashar’s reign) piled up in a hospital.

I am wandering Bronco, would you still support Bashar if you for one reason or another become certain beyond doubt that Syria will not become a puppet?

Also the brackets you put at the end of your links are ugly.

November 7th, 2011, 4:46 pm

 

Majed97 said:

So the AL calls for an “emergency meeting” to address Syria’s violation of the AL agreement. An “emergency meeting” to be held a week later!?! This shows how bankrupt the AL and their backers are…

The way I read it, this tardy reaction by the AL is an indication that the Syrian government has gained the upper hand against the militant uprising. By Saturday, when the AL meets, the armed elements of the “revolution” will be in all likelihood crushed; after which time implementation of the agreement will be carried out on Syria’s terms and pace. Events in Homs the last couple of days may be the final chapter in the armed movement against the government. Only when calm is restored, the true revolution will begin through gradual and measured reforms.

The world seems muted over what’s going on in Homs today; another indication that the world has lost interest/faith in the Syrian “revolution”, which failed to evolve itself into a bigger effective movement capable of drawing support from the masses. It should be clear by now to everyone that the majority Syrians is not at all interested in destroying the country.

November 7th, 2011, 4:55 pm

 

Khalid Tlass said:

Tara, I’m getting really angry and frustrated. Infact I;m getting violent..we must turn to religion whenever there is a crisis. Have you searched for the book I mentioned ? ( al raheeq al makhtoum)

November 7th, 2011, 4:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Khaled

No khaled. I am sorry I did not. Turning to religion is not going to help us. This is not a religious war. It is a revolution for freedom and dignity.

November 7th, 2011, 5:05 pm

 

Khalid Tlass said:

Tara, any fresh news from homs ? What are your predictions ? I’m very angry and worried.

November 7th, 2011, 5:17 pm

 

ann said:

Indian Journalist Kapoor criticizes western media which fabricate events on Syria

Nov 07, 2011

http://www.sana.sy/eng/22/2011/11/07/380395.htm

New Delhi, (SANA)- Editor-in-Chief of the English-Speaking, Indian Hard News magazine Sanjay Kapoor has criticized a number of TV channels and media institutions that distort facts and fabricate incidents about the current events in Syria, particularly in Homs.

“The movement was normal, calm prevailed all over the road from Damascus to Homs in contradictory to what western media broadcast about the Syrian Army’s movements and its siege of the city… Homs had no military scenes, except for some security barricades,” Kapoor, one member of the Indian Media delegation who visited Syria last month said.

He wrote about the repercussions of destruction that hit the public and private properties and acts of killings against civilians and army personnel at the hands of armed terrorist groups.

Kapoor referred to the economic difficulties to which the Syrian people are exposed because of the western economic sanctions, stressing that Syria, a self-sufficient country, is capable to remain immune to all conspiracies.

November 7th, 2011, 5:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

There are regime supporters who believe that Assad can crush this revolution in five days.I found this close to impossible,can Assad crush Homs in five days ?,this is extremely unlikely too.AL initiative for all practical purpose is dead and failed, due to Assad intransigence and stupidity.
Can AL do any harm to Syria ?, as I said before they can get the UN to get involved and apply strict trade sanction,but then there is no return to AL.Syria can not ask AL to get involved again,any such asking means surrender of the regime,the regime is loosing all his cards who ever advising Bashar is not doing him any favor.

Norman
From your writing I do not believe you are worried about Baath party, I think you are defending Assad, and assad only.

November 7th, 2011, 5:23 pm

 

Darryl said:

73. KHALID TLASS said:

“Tara, I’m getting really angry and frustrated. Infact I;m getting violent..we must turn to religion whenever there is a crisis. Have you searched for the book I mentioned ? ( al raheeq al makhtoum)”

My dear friend Khalid, only the eternal peace message that you will find in the Gospel of the Messiah will help at times like this :- ) .

November 7th, 2011, 5:25 pm

 

Observer said:

I have followed on a daily basis the comments on this blog. I will categorize them as follows:
1. Ann and company are regurgitating the regime’s side and trolling for news that would support any position the regime takes.
2. Revlon and company have kept us informed of what is happening on the ground.
3. Rabid pro and con that really do not add anything to the debate; pure unbridled emotions.
4. Missing are thoughtful analysts such as Ehsani and others.
I will repeat this again and again
1. Reforms means mistakes were made but no one it talking about accountability for those mistakes.
2. If reforms are real and genuine it will spell regime change
3. If reforms are cosmetic it will spell economic disaster
4. If repression continues it will mean civil war even if a tactical victory is achieved the strategy of the regime is a failure
5. If repression fails and this is likely it will mean international meddling benign and not so benign. With or without a civil war as well.

Once again this is an artificial country that may be better off with autonomy to various parts just as Iraq has in its constitution the ability of three provinces to declare a regional autonomy. Let each community declare its independence, clearly we cannot live together and Lebanon is good example of such incompatibilities.
Heck even Israelis cannot live together.

November 7th, 2011, 5:27 pm

 

Khalid Tlass said:

Daryll,

Fuck you and your race. We will deal with you, we will physically destroy you.

November 7th, 2011, 5:29 pm

 

bronco said:

#63 New folder

That’s the “amazing” well shaved and groomed Free Syrian Army officers? One of them has even put fresh shiny gel on his hair for the occasion.
I wonder what is the meaning of the branch of tree one of them is carrying: Olive branch? Anyway, they look like less than 20…

It is sad to think that these young kids believe they are playing the heroes of a TV series while they life may be taken away suddenly.

Thank you Obama’s speaker Victoria Nuland for sending these kids to death.

November 7th, 2011, 5:29 pm

 

irritated said:

Observer #79

Excellent observations. And in which category you think your comments are? category 3?

November 7th, 2011, 5:33 pm

 

Tara said:

Khaled

Open the link that Newfolder posted and have faith.

My prediction is that Tara will fly to the new free Syria with her little girl next Summer and will be walking the Hamidieh, eating Manaeeh Zaatar with a special someone she has not met yet. That will be the difficult part. Free Syria is the inevitable part. I am alsp predicting that i would be driven to the top of the mountain, admire Damascus, and have a tea.

November 7th, 2011, 5:34 pm

 

Darryl said:

80. KHALID TLASS said:

Daryll,

Fuck you and your race. We will deal with you, we will physically destroy you.”

My Friend Khalid, why are you talking like this? I will turn over the other cheek now.

Start with The Gospel of John, it is very comforting.

November 7th, 2011, 5:35 pm

 

bronco said:

#77 MajedlAlkhadoon

“can Assad crush Homs in five days ”

He can pacify Bab Amro, yes, as this where all renegates and the criminals have taken refuge.

In any case the AL counted on that, this is why they gave the Syrian army 6 days before the ’emergency’ meeting

November 7th, 2011, 5:39 pm

 

Tara said:

Khaled

I ask you to please refrain from using profanity on SC. It is disrespectful to everybody. I can’t have a conversation with you when you use profanity with someone else. I read it too. Ok? Ignore Daryl. He is an Islamophobe. It is clear. Do not bother.

November 7th, 2011, 5:44 pm

 

anton said:

Dear Syrians and Syria lovers

Its a strange feeling to live in such a moment where we can see foreign country appoint a Syrian coming from no where and put him in international TV and speaks on the name of Syrians as a leader … What a shame

now I can see how our grand fathers have to deal with such things in the past .. That how all the foreigner occupied of Syria since 1000 years did with the Syrians throughout history

now I can see how Turkey succeeded to govern Syria for almost 400 years and the French 25 years

this time is NO, that will not happens rather live another 7 years with Assad’s government and let him do the right changes in Syrians terms than have someone appointed by foreign country to facilitate Syria occupation again after killing thousands of our country men, women, and children

No for foreign intervention , No for killing syrians , and No for the occupation of Syria

Thank you for allowing me to comment

November 7th, 2011, 5:45 pm

 

ann said:

79. Observer said:
“Once again this is an artificial country that may be better off with autonomy to various parts just as Iraq has in its constitution the ability of three provinces to declare a regional autonomy. Let each community declare its independence, clearly we cannot live together and Lebanon is good example of such incompatibilities.”

thank you again for taking time away from oppressing the millions of palestinians under israeli occupation, to enlighten us about what’s real and what’s artificial, and to remind us of your israeli masters dream of carving up syria into little insignificant pieces.

love that WE touch: “we cannot live together ..” hahahahaha

who’s WE? we the israeli propaganda in full swing! hahahahaha

duh

November 7th, 2011, 5:49 pm

 

Tara said:

MajedKhaldoon

Bashar may be able to massacre Bab Amro in 5 days but hundred other Bab Amros will emege. I expect defection to multiply in short time everywhere.

November 7th, 2011, 5:50 pm

 

Darryl said:

86. TARA said:

“Ignore Daryl. He is an Islamophobe. It is clear. Do not bother.”

Dear Tara, how can you label me Islamophobe when we have demonstrated that you too fall in that category unless all the liberal thinking on your part is pure Lala Land fantasy.

Moreover, find me another person from Christian background on SC who has taken the time to study the Qur’an and AHadeeth with the view to understand my fellow Muslim Syrians so that I can fully understand and appreciate where you are coming from. I can assure you very few Muslims will pickup the Bible to learn what their Christian comrades think including you, liberal thinker Tara.

November 7th, 2011, 5:58 pm

 

Hans said:

Alex and Josh!
Is it time to block Khalid Tlass out of this blog? or we are allowing him to stay here to say that’s what the revolutionists are about, no values, all radials, showing their true hunger for innocents blood and blaming the regime for a religion dates back the stone age he wants us to live like the KSA or else, it is time for this religion to revolt against it self instead of killing others, it is clear that Islam is not the word of god because god doesn’t tell people to kill in his name obviously it may take thousands of years for the islam to accept that all this BS is not word of god but it is how 1500 years ago people were thinking and accept the doubt on the religion with an open mind and free of the retards sheikh who are closed mind the least to say. Everyone look what happens in Niger today, 100 people killed by radical Islam, is the AL going to ask USA to bomb the radicals?
I have little doubt that Khalid Tlass is same person as Aboud; same mentality, words chosen, rhetoric and same grammar and misspelling mistakes etc…

November 7th, 2011, 6:00 pm

 

Tara said:

#87

Bourhan Ghalioun did not come from nowhere. He is homsi and most homsis are deeply rooted and patriot. It is Bashar that came from nowhere with a traitor grandfather documented to have begged the French to continue their colonization in Syria and a father who is a mass murderer.

November 7th, 2011, 6:01 pm

 

Tara said:

Dear Darryl

You are an Islamophobe and you should start being conscious about it…

Norman is Christian. I never accused him of being an Islamophobe. To the opposite, I always admired how he relates to Muslims and to Arabs. I am not throwing an accusation to just accuse you. I mean what I say….most of the time.

November 7th, 2011, 6:06 pm

 

bronco said:

#71

I don’t see yet any one who can replace Bashar Al Assad, and I have the conviction that a change of regime will transform Syria into a puppet.
Syria has managed over the years to remain independent, proud and self reliant while all other Arab countries have been tamed. Whom do I thank for it?

None of the newcomers made any impression on me.
They claim they want to change to system, yet they avoid the important issues of Arab nationalism, coexistence and intermixing of Islam and Christianity and the opposition to the cancer Israel. They are far from the reality of Syria and the Arabs.

Arabs have been temporarily intoxicated by the western ideas of freedom of speech and the panacea of ‘democracy’, and it made them forget their identity as Arab moslem and Arab christians.
We already see Islam looming in all these ‘freed’ Arab countries in a renewed attempt to return to their identity and values.
It is only a matter of time that Arabs come back to their identities as Arabs with their own priorities and values.

Frankly when I see the frustrated “dinosaurs” emerging from their exile on the Syrian political scene, I prefer to stick to Bashar Al Assad.

Borhan Ghalioun is a French citizen … Bashar Al Assad is Syrian

November 7th, 2011, 6:16 pm

 

irritated said:

Darrylk

“I can assure you very few Muslims will pickup the Bible”

The Bible is part of the teaching of Islam… maybe you did not know?

November 7th, 2011, 6:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

71 was my post. My name is Tara. Did you just decide that you do not like my name?

November 7th, 2011, 6:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Irritated

You asked me question yesterday and I owe an answer. No irritated, I wouldn’t leave my husband when he is in trouble but I would leave him when he becomes a mass murderer ( god forbidden).

November 7th, 2011, 6:27 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara #96 and #71

Sorry for my omission.

November 7th, 2011, 6:28 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

Forgiven. I thought you do not like the color dark blue and my name too. That was too much for me to handle. I am very sensitive you know. I was about to cry. I got angry and skipped you post. I’ll read it now.

November 7th, 2011, 6:33 pm

 

hans said:

@ 95 Bronco
Well said Sir!
it is very true that the angry dinosaurs are being let off their leashes to catch the prize.
it is clear that all these dinosaurs are riding on the blood of the innocent people who started an innocent naive revolution against the regime. Dinosaurs hijacked the revolution in the name of Islam and turning it into a Islamic instead of a Syrian one! with the help of KSA, turkey and the blessing of the biggest devil USA to serve the latter interest in the ME.
It is clear that out of dinosaurs a MB dictator will emerge and do what the regime has been doing for the last 40 years or even worse given the bloody history for MB not only in Syria but all over the world, remember Zawaheri, I am waiting for a breaking news with a drone hit.
if you think that the Syrians are ready for a true democracy then you need to have your car washed before you go into the mud.

November 7th, 2011, 6:39 pm

 

Darryl said:

93. TARA said:

“You are an Islamophobe and you should start being conscious about it…”

Dear Tara, just because I am speaking in a direct and in truthful manner does not make me an Islamophobe. On the contrary, I would like my fellow Muslims to see things in a different perspective. You want someone to pretend being honest with you and treat you like an “egg” and agree with you no matter what, this is the perfect Islamic way.

“Norman is Christian. I never accused him of being an Islamophobe. To the opposite, I always admired how he relates to Muslims and to Arabs. I am not throwing an accusation to just accuse you. I mean what I say….most of the time.”

Hey we are all different, you should develop a thick skin or learn more about your religion, background, culture so that you can move with the times and see where I am coming from. We can’t live in 7th century Arabia anymore, I am sure Norman does not want to live in that era.

I am signing off from this conversation now so that you can get back to endless debate with Bronco.

November 7th, 2011, 6:59 pm

 

louai said:

الاخبار المحلية
شارك

أعرب وزير الخارجية الروسي سيرغي لافروف يوم الاثنين عن عميق القلق لاستمرار العنف وسقوط مزيد من الضحايا خاصة في مدينة حمص، قائلا “إننا لا نبرئ السلطات السورية من المسؤولية عما يحدث لا سيما وان واجب هذه السلطات يتمثل في ضمان امن مواطنيها والحفاظ على النظام والأمن العام في البلاد”.

وشهدت مدينة حمص خلال الأيام الأخيرة سقوط عدد من القتلى والجرحى إضافة إلى حملات إعتقال واسعة، بحسب ناشطين وأهالي، ما دعا أطياف من المعارضة إلى إعلان حمص “مدينة منكوبة” ومطالبة الجامعة العربية بسحب المبادرة العربية، والطلب من مجلس الأمن إرسال مراقبين دوليين لحماية المدنيين.

وبعث وزير الخارجية الروسي سيرغي لافروف رسائل شفوية إلى نظرائه في العديد من الدول ورؤساء منظمات دولية دعاهم فيها “لدعم مبادرة جامعة الدول العربية واستخدام الإمكانات المتوافرة من اجل التأثير على الأطراف المعنية بالنزاع في سوريا بهدف تنفيذ بنود المبادرة المذكورة والانتقال بالوضع إلى اطر الحلول السياسية”.

ويشكك ناشطون ودول في التزام القيادة السورية بالخطة الوزارية، التي تقضي بسحب المظاهر المسلحة من المدن وإطلاق المعتقلين، إضافة لبدء حوار وطني مع المعارضة في مقر الجامعة العربية.

وذكر بيان صحفي نشرته وكالة الأنباء الكويتية (كونا) أن وزير الخارجية رحب بالإفراج عن 553 معتقلا وكذلك إعلان العفو العام عن المسلحين الراغبين في إلقاء السلاح قائلا “ان من شان تنفيذ بنود مبادرة جامعة الدول العربية هذه أن يوفر الإمكانية لإجراء حوار سياسي بين السلطات السورية والمعارضة بهدف تحقيق المصالحة الوطنية وإجراء الإصلاحات دون تدخل خارجي”.

وأعرب لافروف عن القلق لقيام بعض الدول الغربية بتحريض المسلحين في سوريا على رفض العفو المعلن وعدم إلقاء السلاح، مضيفا إن “رفض المعارضة في الخارج الانخراط في حوار مع السلطات في دمشق لا يساهم في تطبيع الوضع ويتعارض تماما مع المبادرة العربية”.

وكانت وزارة الخارجية الأمريكية دعت، المواطنين السوريين إلى عدم تسليم أنفسهم للسلطات السورية وذلك “خوفا على سلامتهم”، حسب وصفها، وذلك عقب دعوت وزارة الداخلية، يوم الجمعة الماضية، المواطنين ممن حملوا السلاح أو باعوه أو قاموا بتوزيعه أو نقله أو شرائه أو تمويل شرائه ولم يرتكبوا جرائم القتل إلى تسليم أنفسهم وأسلحتهم إلى أقرب مركز شرطة في منطقتهم وسيصار إلى تركهم فورا.

وحث البيان الروسي المعارضة السورية على التبرؤ من “المسلحين المتطرفين الذين يراهنون على إحباط مبادرة جامعة الدول العربية من خلال استخدام السلاح المهرب واستفزاز السلطات الأمنية للقيام بردود فعل مسلحة”.

وتشهد عدة مدن سورية، منذ بدء حركة الاحتجاجات في منتصف آذار الماضي، أعمال عنف أودت بحياة الكثيرين من مدنيين ورجال أمن وجيش، تقول السلطات إنهم قضوا بنيران “جماعات مسلحة”، فيما تتهم منظمات حقوقية وناشطين السلطات بارتكاب أعمال عنف لـ “قمع المتظاهرين”.

وتقدر الأمم المتحدة عدد ضحايا الاحتجاجات في سورية بنحو 3 آلاف, فيما تقول مصادر رسمية سورية أن عدد الضحايا الذين سقطوا خال الاحتجاجات بلغ حوالي أكثر من 1400 اغلبهم من الجيش وقوى الأمن, حيث حملت هذه المصادر مسؤولية سقوط ضحايا إلى “جماعات مسلحة”

سيريانيوز

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=11827

November 7th, 2011, 7:01 pm

 

hans said:

Tara 93 said

“Dear Darryl

You are an Islamophobe and you should start being conscious about it…”

i am sorry that you feel everyone who expose the MB is an Islamophobic until the Islam denounce the MB and their actions everyone is going to be islamophobic.. do you get it by now.

Ghalioun is a hidden MB wolf in a lamb’s clothe, he is french citizen who doesn’t belong to Syria.
I think the Syrian revolution should have a christian president ( but not your buddy Hytham Khoury) for the coming 5 years to have the country on the right path, have a secular constitution and have the land ruled by the law of order, not by the animals law.
do you remember when that happened!!!!
it was after independence when president Bashara khouri was the president for a short time till the Sunni said it is enough we are on our feet.

November 7th, 2011, 7:01 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Bronco said
Arabs have been temporarily intoxicated by the western ideas of freedom of speech and the panacea of ‘democracy’, and it made them forget their identity as Arab moslem and Arab christians.

Bronco this statement tells everything about you,Sorry.
You do not believe in freedom and you believe in dictatorship,not only that you do not find anyone to replace Assad. Assad is no better than several syrian who can do better job and much better than him, to you he is God, to the syrian he must go,just like the devil.

November 7th, 2011, 7:02 pm

 

Halabi said:

If you don’t think that Syrians are ready for democracy then you are the dinosaur, and also a racist. Why aren’t the Syrian people ready to decide for themselves through competitive elections what form of government they want?

It’s true that some Syrians aren’t ready for democracy, but that’s because a large portion of them are sycophants who support the fascist and criminal dictatorship. But Syrians are a great people who can, and will, create a new political system that protects minorities and allows for the peaceful transition of power between multiple parties.

A more accurate statement would be that Assad and his racists, hateful and blood-soaked supporters aren’t ready for democracy or “reform.” That’s because they will finally have to come to terms with the evil they have committed in order to stay in power. It’s better to kill more Homsis than to look in the mirror.

November 7th, 2011, 7:03 pm

 

Ghufran said:

كان غليون واثقا و حمل خطابه وعدا باحترام حقوق كل السوريين و لم يحرض الناس على حمل السلاح
حديثه عن ان كل بيت سوري تقريبا عانى من القتل او الاعتقال او الاغتصاب فبه مبالغه واضحه و لكنه مطلوب منه لاسباب سياسيه و لم يصل الخطاب الى المستوى المتوقع لرجل يريد من الدول الاجنبية ان تعترف بالمجلس الذي يتزعمه ممثلا شرعيا وحيدا للمعارضه فهو اهمل المبادره العربيه و كانها لم تكن و هدد تلميحا بإبقاء التدخل العسكري كحل محتمل و لم يمد يده الى قوى المعارضه الاخرى و تجنب الحديث الى الطائفه العلويه رغم انها بيضة القبان في الصراع لكنه لم يجد حرجا في مغازلة الأكراد الذين ضعف دعمهم للمجلس بسبب علاقة المجلس الحميمة مع تركيا و نسي كلامه السابق عن العلمانيه كي لا يغضب الإسلاميين الذين يشكلون العمود الفقري للمجلس

November 7th, 2011, 7:13 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Bronco
Those who do not believe in democracy,they do not deserve it,once this regime is over they will see and live dictatorship, and then they should not ask for freedom and democrscy and forgiveness.

November 7th, 2011, 7:18 pm

 

Hans said:

at Halabi
give me a name of a president in the Arabs world not only in Syria, who gave up power voluntarily fashion, or even anyone who was planning such transition, from the republics to the kingdoms.
the only exception is Lebanon since the Christians are in the presidency and Israel which doesn’t count as an arab country.
it is very naive to think that democracy starts at the top, it starts at the bottom, if you don’t have a democratic pyramid you can’t have a democratic peak.

November 7th, 2011, 7:21 pm

 

Norman said:

SNP,

I like Omar Ibn AL Khattab for being the man that was given the keys to Jerusalem and refused to pray in the church of Nativity, I believe, when he was invited to do and explained that by saying that he did not want for somebody to come in the future and convert the church to a mosque saying that Omar prayed here ,

I like Muawiya for keeping the Arab Nature of the Umayyad Caliph,

I like ABD AL Rah man the immigrant who ran away from Syria to Spain at the end of the Umayyad Khalifa and build a dynasty that the spaniards are proud of to this day,

I like Zenobia for standing to Syria’s independence from the Roman empire, and fighting for that,

November 7th, 2011, 7:25 pm

 

Darryl said:

95. IRRITATED said:

Darrylk

“I can assure you very few Muslims will pickup the Bible”

“The Bible is part of the teaching of Islam… maybe you did not know?”

Dear Irritated, I hope I am not irritating you by asking, have you read the Bible? If not can you explain your statement?

November 7th, 2011, 7:32 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Hans said
give me a name of a president in the Arabs world not only in Syria, who gave up power voluntarily fashion,
Hashem Attassie did
Shoukri Al Quwatly,did,he gave to Nasser

November 7th, 2011, 7:40 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

Let me rephrase.

If fears of Syria becoming a puppet, degenerating into civil war, or dominated by radicals are somehow all alleviated, you would still see Bashar and no one else?

I truly hope that someone at your level does not suffer from personality cult. That would be very sad and disappointing.

November 7th, 2011, 7:47 pm

 

Norman said:

Tara,

People like Khalid Talas give bad impression of Islam and scare non Muslims, you can see that in the West, some Muslims think that wearing the Arabic dress or having a beard is what make you Muslim, you said it yourself, they need an advancement in style, some Muslim think that they should live the way Muslims lived in early Islam to be good Muslims, i think they are missing the whole idea of Islam that i believe is the surrender to God , and equality between Muslims, they need to show the good that Islam brings and belong to the cultures that they live in, that is the only way to suppress the fear that some have,

The problem that we Arab Christians have is that we never hear that Muslims especially Sunni Muslims consider us equal with equal rights, we always have to loo over our shoulders so we are not blamed for the ills that our states have, have you heard from anybody in the opposition saying that Christians should and will have equal right to the presidency or any other position , No I have not heard that.

Until then i can understand why some Christian have suspicion of how they will be treated,

November 7th, 2011, 8:00 pm

 

Hans said:

let’s have free Syria off both the regime and the MB.
FREE means respect to a human being regardless of race, color, religion, equality to all under a civil secular law….
throw the religion out of the state and have a civilian state, keep your religion inside your worship place.
how hard is that!…. if the Wolf Ghalioun said that I guarantee him that many of the Alawees will support him…
but he can’t say that because he is not a free man internally or even externally, he is tied to all his bosses who are fermented in dirt and the blood of innocent Syrians who died…

November 7th, 2011, 8:01 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

From SANA today:

The Russian Foreign Ministry today expressed concern over news of ongoing violence, particularly in Homs, and added that “it is a natural duty for the Syrian authorities to guarantee security and general stability.” Russia also expressed concern over the rejection by opposition elements of the dialogue with the government that was proposed by the Arab League.

My comment: Over the past couple of days the opposition elements have rejected dialog with the government. Dialog was the central plank of the Arab League initiative. Hence the Arab League initiative is, or is going to be, defunct. But, wait, the Syrian government made an agreement with the Arab League which was not conditional on the opposition elements entering into a dialog. Quoting the written text of the agreement, “the Syrian government has agreed to the following: (1) Stop all acts of violence from any source to protect the Syrian citizens…. (3) Clear cities and neighborhoods of armed manifestations of all types.” (The text in Arabic is at ArabLeagueOnline.org (PDF file)). Here’s how you should interpret that language: (1) the Syrian government has a natural duty to guarantee security and enforce general stability, and this includes the duty to stop all acts of violence from any source to protect the Syrian citizens, and (2) the Syrian government has a natural duty to guarantee security and enforce general stability, and this includes the duty to clear cities and neighborhoods of armed manifestations of all types. That is what Syria agreed to with the Arab League.

November 7th, 2011, 8:04 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The US policy makers decided to endorse the Turkish brand of MB as the lesser of two evils after realizing that seculars in the Arab world do not enjoy wide popular support. The missing link is the fact that Turkey needed decades of army rule,overt or covert,before somebody like Erdogan was allowed to become a PM. It is a gamble at best and a major strategic mistake at worst. Arabs need new less corrupt governments and a healthy dose of democracy,but nations develop politically over a long period of time not in a spring or two. A possible exit from the crisis in Syria may come if the two fighting factions realize that they can not eliminate each other and must compromise,but that can be a tall order for nations that are short on tolerance.
I once wondered if GWB had Arab roots when he told the world you are either with us or against us.

November 7th, 2011, 8:04 pm

 

Tara said:

Norman

I can’t agree more.

I myself feels a bit awkward and uncomfortable seeing men wearing the Arabic dress or women completely covered in black walking in the mall. I do believe that Muslims should go into enlightenment phase where as you said they practice Islam as surrender to god and not as living the way Muslims lived in early Islam. We do need a cultural revolution. No doubt about it.

I also hope that the opposition stresses the fact that anyone can become a future president in Syria regardless of sect or religion. All should be equal under the law.

November 7th, 2011, 8:18 pm

 

Tara said:

It appears that Erdogan is who will bring Bashar down through supporting the FSA.  AL may have given Assad 6 days to finish Homs off.  I do not think Turkey is in cahoots with the AL.        

http://gulftoday.ae/portal/34e60bdc-6be9-4140-8323-201cf0422ea0.aspx

Michel Sailhan: Turkey takes on Syria, planning new measures
November 08, 2011
  
Turkey is hardening its stance against former ally Syria, laying the ground for Syrian dissidents including army defectors and readying to announce new measures against Damascus. “We cannot remain a mere bystander” to the developments unfolding in Syria, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in Berlin during a recent official visit. 

“We believe it is necessary to implement certain sanctions” against the regime of President Bashar Al Assad, whose crackdown on protests has claimed more than 3,000 lives since mid-March, according to the United Nations, he said. 

Erdogan however did not elaborate on what kind of sanctions he was mulling against his former “friend” Bashar. Turkey had enjoyed good relations with its neighbour before the uprising began, holding joint cabinet meetings, abolishing visas and fostering trade. 

Erdogan had been expected to announce sanctions as early as October on a planned visit to Syrian refugee camps, but escalating Kurdish rebel attacks and a devastating earthquake which killed more than 600 in Turkey’s east put them on hold. “Turkey is not in favour of sanctions in principle. That might be because it fears the Europeans might invite Turkey to join the Western world on Iranian sanctions, which are opposed by Ankara,” Istanbul-based analyst Sinan Ulgen said. 

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu prefers to use the term “measures” instead of sanctions. Turkey’s Islamic-rooted government had tried to convince Damascus to implement reforms, but the Syrian regime’s failure to heed the appeal prompted Ankara to take another route. 

Istanbul hosted the founding of the Syrian National Council, the largest and most representative opposition grouping, in late August and on Oct.18 Davutoglu officially met with the leaders of the movement. Turkey is also sheltering Syrian army defectors who are currently staying at refugee camps in Turkey’s Hatay province, home to around 7,500 Syrians who fled the violence. 

One of the most prominent is Colonel Riad Al Asaad, who defected in July and is now leading an armed opposition group called the “Syrian Free Army.” Contrary to usual practices regarding refugees, Asaad is allowed to talk to media, and indeed interviews are organised and selected by the Turkish foreign ministry. 

In these interviews he has said his group is already fighting against Damascus with its own weapons and appealed for more. “Nobody is allowed to cross the border with weapons,” said a Turkish foreign ministry official when asked by AFP whether Turkey was providing the Syrian colonel with arms. 

“Turkey believes the life of the Syrian regime is not too long,” Ulgen said. “So it is helping the opposition movement, including armed defectors. Turkey has lost hope of being heard by Damascus.” Among measures being considered by Turkey is the creation of a militarised buffer zone inside Syrian territory in an attempt to secure the border and absorb a massive influx of refugees in case of a civil war. 

This option was discussed by the Turkish government last summer, according to journalist Mehmet Ali Birand. Davutoglu, however, remained vague about such a move during an interview with the Financial Times early this week. 

“We hope that there will be no need for these type of measures but of course humanitarian issues are important. There are certain universal values all of us need to respect and protecting citizens is the responsibility of every state”, he said. 

The Turkish government has many reasons to be involved in the Syrian issue. As Erdogan said Wednesday, the border between the two countries stretches more than 800 kilometres, bearing a high risk of instability for Ankara. Both Turkey and Syria have significant Kurdish populations, and Urgen said Turkish authorities think Syria is trying to “use the PKK card,” referring to a surge of attacks in Turkey by rebels from the Kurdistan Workers’ Party. 

“There is a parallel link between the escalation of PKK terror and Turkey’s anger with Syria,” Akif Beki, former press advisor to Erdogan, wrote in his column in the daily Radikal. Another important reason for Erdogan to act on Syria is the United States, which is supplying Turkey with real-time intelligence to fight the PKK. In September, Washington called on its Nato ally to “put more pressure” on the Syrian regime. 

November 7th, 2011, 8:24 pm

 

Anton said:

Dear Syrians and Syria Lovers

Most of us know Alex ( Camille Otrakji ) and would like to ask a favor to all of you to use the thum ( up/down ) for the following question:

Yes, I would like to have Alex as the representative of the SC community instead of Mr. B. Ghalioun to lead the change in Syria

November 7th, 2011, 8:24 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: BRONCO BILLY

RE: “…I don’t see yet any one who can replace Bashar Al Assad…”

Of course you don’t, you As-sadistic slave.

The fact is, Hafez and Besho made a point of eliminating or exiling anyone who had brains, or independence, or ambition. Anyone who might get out of line, start questioning things, start disagreeing, start submitting alternative proposals. So of course you don’t see anyone. They’re all dead, in jail or out of the country.

As for you, Bronco, you’re so used to riding the range on the al-Assad ranch that you can’t think of anything better. You’re a perfect little puppet boy with Besho pulling your strings.

November 7th, 2011, 8:26 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@NORMAN

I asked you for Arab Civilization, State, Kingdom and Kings, seal and royal rulers, where are all that. Where is its history in pre-Islam? But that is ok you picked the 3 most viable Arab personalities in Islam history, that is fine. Omar, grew up with a unique personal life who was devout to religion and there are evidence that his mother was a Christian, so that could account for that milder and compassionate person, but he done nothing in term of building an Arab nation, in fact he caused the Shia issue as far as I remember. He was a righteous and fair ruler, someone like Ayatollah Khemenei today. Middle East Christians were extremely pious and peaceful people, never waged war on anybody in history so his mother up bringing could have contributed to his style of governing. Muawiya and his father never really trusted Mohammad, and even initially fought him, they finally joined Islam out of commerce and trade opportunities, not real believe in Islam. But Muwaiya could not have accomplished what he did without immigrating (practically) out of Arabia and having to live among the civilized, highly educated Syrians. Syria, for the Bedouins back then was like USA today for Aborigines, no exaggeration here. Remember, Mohammad refused to enter Damascus out fear he will be corrupted. So here again, it is down to personality issue, one that was not much of into Arab Culture in the first place. His accomplishment can be called more Syrian that Arab one. And then you list the artisan Abdul Rahman, here again, you picked a particular personality, he was an artisan and played musical instruments, so naturally when he ruled in Spain he flourished and so as his region Andalusia, but again that has nothing to do with Bedouin Arab, not even close to them. It was a peculiar person who lived among far more open society that allowed him freedom that are not Islamic and restricted and have the support of progressive European minded and talented people around him. He made use of it all.

The examples you provided, prove that Arabism on its own sucks; it is garbage that Islam on its own is beyond backward and primitive. It only thrive when NON ARAB are the catalyst and only when a particular open minded rulers is around to allow those non Arab and non Moslem to contribute to the establishment of a rule and place. Arabs are Bedouin non-class that worshipped goats and idols and they still do to this day. With all the Trillions they amassed in the past 50 years, with all the education of top Universities in Europe and America, with all the Foreign help from around the world they received, they could not manage to accomplish anything in Science, commerce, state power culture, arts, science, medicines, Nothings, LOOOSERS, an Arab Bedouin is an Arab Bedouin until eternity. Arabism is a filth taken only by cowards who have no dignity and no honor, not even to help a fellow Arab. Dump that filth and go learn about Syria and Syrian Civilizations.

November 7th, 2011, 8:27 pm

 

Norman said:

Tara,

Good to know that, it has to be lead by a Sunni, you will do a good job, IF YOU DARE.

I do not know if you all saw this but apparently president Assad is putting the word out that he will not be running in the 2014 election, at least that is my understanding, what do you think?,

الإثنين 11 ذو الحجة 1432هـ – 07 نوفمبر 2011م

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قال إن حمام الدم سيطال أوروبا إذا هوجمت دمشق
مفتي سوريا: بشار الأسد يريد العودة إلى مزاولة “طبابة العيون”
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لندن – رمضان الساعدي

صرّح الشيخ حسون مفتي سوريا اليوم الاثنين بأن الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد يريد العودة إلى مزاولة “طبابة العيون” بعد أن ينتهي من عملية الإصلاحات في سوريا. وذكرت الإذاعة الألمانية “دويتشه فيله” أن حسون قال لمجلة “دير‎ ‎شبيغل” الألمانية إن بشار الأسد لن يبقى رئيساً مدى الحياة لسوريا وإنه سيترك السلطة بعد أن ينتهي من عملية الإصلاحات ومنها السماح بتشكيل أحزاب و إجراء انتخابات حرة ونزيهة في سوريا. وأضاف المفتي السوري: “كان حلم الرئيس بشار أن يشرف على عيادة طب للعيون وأنه يرغب في العودة إلى المهنة التي تخرّج منها وهي طب العيون”. وكرّر حسون تحذيره لحلف الناتو من تدخل عسكري في سوريا قائلا: “إن التدخل العسكري ستكون له ‏تداعيات كارثية تؤدي إلى القيام بتفجيرات انتحارية في الدول الغربية”. ‏ وأضاف المفتي السوري: “إن مثل هذا التدخل العسكري سيؤدي إلى إشعال العالم وإن “حمام الدم” سيطال أوروبا”. وأشار حسون في حديثه: “إنّ الرئيس الأسد هو المسؤول عن الأخطاء السياسية والاقتصادية في سوريا” لكنه أضاف أن الأسد سيفي بتعهداته تجاه المبادرة العربية حسب ما ذكرته الإذاعة الألمانية. وفي الوقت نفسه طالب المفتي السوري الأوربيين أن يكونوا أكثر التزاما تجاه سوريا لأنهم الأفضل للوساطة لإقرار السلام في سوريا مقارنة بجامعة الدول العربية على حد قوله. ‏‏وكان مفتي سوريا قد هدد في مقطع فيديو تم بثه على “اليوتيوب” بعمليات انتحارية يقوم بتنفيذها أشخاص متواجدون بالفعل في أوروبا ‏وأمريكا في حال تعرضت سوريا لأي قصف أو اعتداء من جانب الدول الغربية. ‏ ووصفت الإذاعة الألمانية ‏”دويتشه فيله” ‏الشيخ حسون بأنه أعلى سلطة دينية في سوريا وأنه يحظى بدعم ‏الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد منذ توليه هذا المنصب. ‏

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جميع الحقوق محفوظة لقناة العربية © 2010

November 7th, 2011, 8:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Syriatel,the cash cow
 صدرت النتائج الربعية الثالثة لشركة سيريتل موبايل تيليكوم للاتصالات الخلوية في سورية عن الأشهر التسعة الماضية المنتهية في 30 أيلول 2011.
وبلغ صافي الأرباح عن الأشهر الثلاثة الأخيرة نحو 1.5 مليار ليرة، فيما بلغت عن الأشهر التسعة الأخيرة نحو 6.613 مليارات ليرة وبزيادة قدرها 7.13% عن الأشهر التسعة الأولى من العام 2010 حيث بلغت 6.173 مليارات ليرة، وحقق السهم ربحاً قدره 47.31 ليرة سورية.
ويلاحظ تراجع الأرباح خلال الأشهر الثلاثة الأخيرة من 2.326 مليارات ليرة خلال أشهر( نيسان – أيار – حزيران) إلى 1.546 مليارات ليرة عن أشهر (تموز – آب – أيلول) بانخفاض 780 مليون ليرة سورية، وبنسبة انخفاض 33% عن الأشهر الثلاثة التي سبقتها من العام نفسه.

November 7th, 2011, 8:43 pm

 

Norman said:

SNP,

So you think that i am coward, Thank you, you know that the people from new England think that the people of Arkansas and West Virginia are primitive , even more primitives than the people who live in the Arabian peninsula, they still consider them Americans, There are smart people everywhere and there are dumb people everywhere too. we just have to find the smart ones and get the best out of them.

November 7th, 2011, 8:45 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

Show me one smart Saudi please who is not using his talent, if any into vise, arm dealing etc…

November 7th, 2011, 8:45 pm

 

Darryl said:

109. NORMAN said:

My dearest friend Norman, I think you should have done a bit more research about your post. The truth is more like this:

1. The Caliph Omar did not pray in the Church as you say, but he prayed in the Church courtyard and a Mosque was erected in the Church courtyard and then the Church Bishop was kicked out of the house attached to the Church.

2. Queen Zenubia was not pure Arabic at all, she was of Roman-Greek-Syrian mix. Mecca and Medina did not exist until about 700 years after her dynasty.

3. Muawiya fought the Arabs to relocate his Capital to Damascus as he did not want anything to do with them. History shows that his army was largely Syrian in nature rather than Arabic.

November 7th, 2011, 8:50 pm

 

Halabi said:

Hans
Two names of Arab presidents who gave up power this year, Hosni Mubarak and Zine Al Abideen Ben Ali, in addition to the historic examples that Majed mentioned.

As for how how democracy starts, it obviously doesn’t begin with Bashar leaving office. The people of Daraa began on the path, and revolutionaries around the country followed. They will build political parties that will compete with the established entities (Baath and Baath-like) and together Syrians will establish a new constitution and government.

We don’t need Assad to supervise, or draw on his extensive political experience in fostering secular, democratic movements like Hamas and Hezbollah. We need him and the mukhabarat to go so there will be enough space for democracy to be born.

Or we can let the revolution die, and live in the same Syria controlled by a family, with vast amounts of the country hating each other. Maybe Hafez II will finally implement the Baath party’s 2005 five year plan by 2045, and will still leave lots of reforms for Bashar II.

November 7th, 2011, 9:04 pm

 

Ghufran said:

ولا تطيعن قوما ما ديانتهم — إلا احتيال على أخذ الإتاوات
وإنما حمل التوراة قارئها — كسب الفوائد لا حب التلاوات
إن الشرائع ألقت بيننا إحنا — وأودعتنا أفانين العـــداوات

November 7th, 2011, 9:12 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: NORMAN

RE: “…apparently President Assad is putting the word out that he will not be running in the 2014 election…”

Of course he won’t.

Either there won’t be an election. Or he’ll be dead.

http://viarecta.blogspot.com/2011/10/king-of-all-african-kings-is-hunted.html

November 7th, 2011, 9:19 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

إن الشرائع ألقت بيننا إحنا — وأودعتنا أفانين العـــداواتGhufran said

earlier he mentioned verse in Quraan saying
Hold the rope of God, all of you and do not divid and seperate.

Ghufran there is contradiction,I know you like that,but please explain to us where you stand.

November 7th, 2011, 9:30 pm

 

jad said:

حمدي قنديل يفتح النار علي قطر و يقول أن قـطــر
وأميركا أطلقتا رصاصة الرحمة على المبادرة العربية

القاهرةء07/11/2011ء اتهم الإعلامي المصري حمدي قنديل كل من قطر والولايات المتحدة وحلفاءهما باطلاق رصاصة الرحمة على المبادرة العربية منذ توقيعها من قبل سوريا عبر استمرار التحريض على دمشق، محذرا من ان اي قرار احمق ضد سوريا سوف يرتد على كل الدول العربية والمنطقة.
وقال الإعلامي حمدي قنديل في تصريح خاص لقناة التحرير الاحد: ان الدور القطري لم يعد خفيا على احد وهو مشوب بكثير من الشبهة حيث تحاول اللعب على المتناقضات بشكل يومي، ويتواصل التحريض الاعلامي ضد سوريا رغم التزامها بالمبادرة العربية وتطبيق بنودها.

واضاف قنديل ان قطر وحلفاءها العرب ارتادوا العمالة الى الولايات المتحدة واسرائيل ، متهما اياهم بانهم اطلقوا الرصاص على المبادرة العربية من اللحظة الاولى لابرامها ، حيث بدأت اميركا واسرائيل وفرنسا والدول العربية ومنها قطر تحرض وتدعو المعارضين والمسلحين الى عدم الاستجابة لدعوات الحكومة السورية.

واعتبر ان التهديدات الاسرائيلية والاميركي الاخيرة لايران تأتي بسب دفاعها عن سوريا والقضية الفلسطينية، معتبرا ان كل ما تقوم به الولايات المتحدة وحلفاءها في المنطقة هو من اجل ارضاخ القرار السوري.

واكد قنديل ان المطلوب هو تقسيم المنطقة واشعال الحروب وتوجيه ضربات ، محذرا من ان اي قرار احمق سوف يرتد على كل الدول العربية والمنطقة.

واعتبرالإعلامي المصري حمدي قنديل ان مجلس الامن الدولي لم يتخذ قرارا عادلا بحق الدول، وتقوده الدول الغربية المنصاعة لاسرائيل، وعلى رأسها الولايات المتحدة، داعيا روسيا والصين الى انهاء الاستفراد الاميركي بالقرار الدولي.

وشدد قنديل على ان الشعب السوري خرج بالملايين تأييدا للنظام ولن يسمح بالتلاعب بمصير بلاده، معتبرا ان بيد سوريا اوراقا كثيرة لم تستخدمها، وسيكون الشعب السوري في مواجهة المرامرة التي تحاك ضدهم.

November 7th, 2011, 9:39 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Majed,there is no contradiction
أنا ضد الوسيط بين الخالق و المخلوق
الدين شيء و رجال الدين شيء اخر
كل شيخ يفسر الدين على هواه
To those who like Nizar:

مواطنون دونما وطن
مطاردون كالعصافير على خرائط الزمن
مسافرون دون أوراق ..وموتى دونما كفن
نحن بغايا العصر
كل حاكم يبيعنا ويقب الثمن
نحن جوارى القصر
يرسلوننا من حجرة لحجرة
من قبضة لقبضة
من مالك لمالك
ومن وثن إلى وثن
نركض كالكلاب كل ليلة
من عدن لطنجة
ومن عدن الى طنجة
نبحث عن قبيلة تقبلنا
نبحث عن ستارة تسترنا
وعن سكن …….
وحولنا أولادنا
احدودبت ظهورهم وشاخوا
وهم يفتشون في المعاجم القديمة
عن جنة نظيرة
عن كذبة كبيرة …. كبيرة
تدعى الوطن
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مواطنون نحن فى مدائن البكاء
قهوتنا مصنوعة من دم كربلاء
حنطتنا معجونة بلحم كربلاء
طعامنا ..شرابنا
عاداتنا ..راياتنا
زهورنا ..قبورنا
جلودنا مختومة بختم كربلاء
لا أحد يعرفنا فى هذه الصحراء
لا نخلة.. ولا ناقة
لا وتد …ولا حجر
لا هند …لا عفراء
أوراقن مريبة
أفكارنا غريبة
أسماؤنا لا تشبه الأسماء
فلا الذين يشربون النفط يعرفوننا
ولا الذين يشربون الدمع والشقاء
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معتقلون داخل النص الذى يكتبه حكامنا
معتقلون داخل الدين كما فسره إمامنا
معتقلون داخل الحزن ..وأحلى ما بنا أحزاننا
مراقبون نحن فى المقهى ..وفى البيت
وفى أرحام أمهاتنا !!
حيث تلفتنا وجدنا المخبر السرى فى انتظارنا
يشرب من قهوتنا
ينام فى فراشنا
يعبث فى بريدنا
ينكش فى أوراقنا
يدخل فى أنوفنا
يخرج من سعالنا
لساننا ..مقطوع
ورأسنا ..مقطوع
وخبزنا مبلل بالخوف والدموع
إذا تظلمنا إلى حامى الحمى
قيل لنا ممنـــوع
وإذا تضرعنا إلى رب السما
قيل لنا : ممنوع
وإن هتفنا …. يا رسول الله كن فى عوننا
يعطوننا تأشيرة من غير ما رجوع
وإن طلبنا قلماً لنكتب القصيدة الأخيرة
أو نكتب الوصية الأخيرة
قبيل أن نموت شنقاً
غيروا الموضوع

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يا وطنى المصلوب فوق حائط الكراهية
يا كرة النار التى تسير نحو الهاوية
لا أحد من مضر .. أو من بنى ثقيف
أعطى لهذا الوطن الغارق بالنزيف
زجاجة من دمه
أو بول الشريف
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لا أحد على امتداد هذه العباءة المرقعة

أهداك يوماً معطفاً أو قبعة
يا وطنى المكسور مثل عشبة الخريف
مقتلعون نحن كالأشجار من مكاننا
مهجرون من أمانينا وذكرياتنا
عيوننا تخاف من أصواتنا
حكامنا آلهة يجرى الدم الأزرق فى عروقهم
ونحن نس الجارية
لا سادة الحجاز يعرفوننا .. ولا رعاع البادية
ولا أبو الطيب يستضيفنا … ولا أبو العتاهية
إذا مضى طاغية
سلمنا لطاغية

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مهاجرون نحن من مرافئ التعب
لا أحد يريدنا
من بحر بيروت إلى بحر العرب
لا الفاطميون … ولا القرامطة
ولا المماليك … ولا البرامكة
ولا الشياطين … ولا الملائكة
لا أحد يريدنا
لا أحد يقرؤنا
فى مدن الملح التى تذبح فى العام ملايين الكتب
لا أحد يقرؤنا
فى مدن صارت بها مباحث الدولة عرّاب الأدب

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مسافرون نحن فى سفينة الأحزان
قائدنا مرتزق
وشيخنا قرصان

فصار قائدنا مرتزق بدل من ان يكون بطل الفرسان
مكومون داخل الأقفاص كالجرذان
لا مرفأ يقبلنا
لا حانة تقبلنا
كل الجوازات التى نحملها
أصدرها الشيطان
كل الكتابات التى نكتبها
لا تعجب السلطان

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مسافرون خارج الزمان والمكان
مسافرون ضيعوا نقودهم .. وضيعوا متاعهم !!
ضيعوا أبناءهم .. وضيعوا أسماءهم .. وضيعوا إنتماءهم
وضيعوا الإحساس بالأمان
فلا بنو هاشم يعرفوننا .. ولا بنو قحطان
ولا بنو ربيعة .. ولا بنو شيبان
ولا بنو ‘ لينين ‘ يعرفوننا .. ولا بنو ‘ ريجان ‘
يا وطني .. كل العصافير لها منازل
إلا العصافير التى تحترف الحرية
فهى تموت خارج الأوطان

November 7th, 2011, 9:43 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
How do you say that there is no contradiction?
One say religion create division,and the other say do not divide,this is clear contradiction.
I was not talking about mediator,why do you mention it?

November 7th, 2011, 9:54 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Majed,
Did our religious leaders follow god’s call for unity?
How come we have numerous sects and sub sects?
Do not blame god or alquraan,blame those who used god and alquraan to serve their own interests. Islam needs a revolution too,there is a reason why most Islamic countries are poor and oppressed.
عشت في بلاد فيها اسلام و ليس فبها مسلمون و عشت في بلاد فيها مسلمون و ليس فيها اسلام

November 7th, 2011, 10:03 pm

 

Darryl said:

113. NORMAN said:

“Tara,

People like Khalid Talas give bad impression of Islam and scare non Muslims, you can see that in the West, some Muslims think”

Dear Norman, I do not know why I am disagreeing with you today. I think Khalid is to be congratulated for being honest, and I appreciate his honesty because he writes what he is supposed to practice. Muslims who practice Islam the way it is meant to be do not give Islam a bad impression at all. Those who hide their true colors to gain something give Islam a bad impression.

“that wearing the Arabic dress or having a beard is what make you Muslim, you said it yourself, they need an advancement in style, some Muslim think that they should live the way Muslims lived in early Islam to be good Muslims, i think they are missing the whole idea of Islam that i believe is the surrender to God , and equality between Muslims, they need to show the good that Islam brings and belong to the cultures that they live in, that is the only way to suppress the fear that some have,

“The problem that we Arab Christians have is that we never hear that Muslims especially Sunni Muslims consider us equal with equal rights, ”

This is a problem for everyone Norman not just Arab Christians as you put it. Where Islam becomes the majority, Islamic law will become law of the land and you will not be treated equal unless you join the club. Because I highlight this fact, Tara said I am an Islamophobe.

November 7th, 2011, 10:04 pm

 

Norman said:

Darryl,

I count on yours to set me strait,and correct my information, are you sure about Omar and the church ,

November 7th, 2011, 10:05 pm

 

Darryl said:

136. NORMAN said:

“Darryl,

I count on yours to set me strait,and correct my information, are you sure about Omar and the church”

Yes Norman.

November 7th, 2011, 10:07 pm

 

Ghufran said:

عن أبي بكرة رضي الله عنه وأرضاه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: {إذا التقى المسلمان بسيفيهما، فالقاتل والمقتول في النار، قالوا: يا رسول الله! هذا القاتل فما بال المقتول؟! قال: إنه كان حريصاً على قتل صاحبه }

November 7th, 2011, 10:14 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

This post is a counter-argument against the claim in #188 above that “Turkey is hardening its stance against former ally Syria, laying the ground for Syrian dissidents including army defectors and readying to announce new measures against Damascus.”

A few weeks ago I quoted the Turkish foreign ministry saying it doesn’t plan to recognize the Syrian National Council as representative of anything, at least not anytime soon, and it was advising the Syrian National Council to use only peaceful methods. Consistent with that, #118 quotes the Turkish foreign ministry saying “nobody is allowed to cross the border [into Syria] with weapons.”

The main opposition parties in Turkey are on record as opposing Turkish interference in Syria’s internal political affairs and are advising the Turkish government to not get too pushy with Syria.

I don’t find much coverage about Syria in the Turkish-language editions of the newspapers http://www.zaman.com.tr/ and http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ Those are the two main national newspapers in Turkey. They often reproduce reports about Syria from Reuters, AP, AFP, and Cihan News Agency (http://www.cihan.com.tr/ a redistributor of stuff from Western news agencies in Turkey). But those two leading newspapers aren’t producing much about Syria on their own behalf. Related to that, I’ve taken a look at the daily updated list of the news stories that are the most popular at those two websites. Generally speaking, day after day, news from Syria — “Suriye” in Turkish language — doesn’t make it into their top ten lists. Nor does the word “Suriye” appear in any of the stories they put on their home page. At least, that’s true of my sample. I took samples on four days over the past week at those Turkish-language sites. (I’ve also been an occasional irregular visitor to their English-language sister sites http://www.todayszaman.com/ and http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com where the scene is pretty much the same as at their Turkish-language sites w.r.t. Syria, according to my sample). Repeating, those are the two main national newspapers in Turkey. The word “Suriye” is yet more scarce and buried at the tabloidy large-circulation Turkish newspapers http://www.sabah.com.tr/ and http://www.posta.com.tr/ . In summary, the Turks are giving the Syrian affair pretty little and pretty superficial attention.

This indicates to me that the Turkish government cannot and will not act alone against Syria. They’d need other countries to be going with them, as they can’t get the Turkish opposition to go with them. As stated at post #118 above, the Turkish government does not support trade sanctions against Iran and is not a big believer in trade sanctions in general. I’m sure they won’t adopt trade sanctions more drastic than what the Europeans have done; and I guess they probably won’t act a great deal contrary to what the Arab League and the Turkish opposition parties say — and what they say is that trade sanctions are meritless especially trade sanctions that’d impact the whole Syrian population.

On 7 Oct 2011 Bashar Assad is quoted saying: “[Officials] coming from Turkey behave like Obama’s spokespeople. They come to me telling that Obama wants this or that. The U.S. maintains an ambassador in Damascus, they come and tell us [what they want] anyway. It saddens us to see our Turkish brothers repeating the same words.” (ref). Note that the USA says it favours a peaceful process for Syria.

In summary, I expect any actions by Turkey against Syria will be inconsequential this year, 2011. According to my values, Turkey should reserve the power to get more pushy against Syria in the event the regime’s reforms don’t get implemented in the next five months as promised, especially the revision of the Constitution, and in the meantime Turkey should do nothing at all.

November 7th, 2011, 10:31 pm

 

bronco said:

#120. Dale Andersen

I think you better join your master in Comaland.

November 7th, 2011, 10:31 pm

 

Norman said:

Ghufran,

How come some people have selective amnesia, Muslims killing Muslims and the other Muslims are cheering them up.

November 7th, 2011, 10:32 pm

 

zoo said:

The pacification of Bab Amro is done (5 more days to go)

Syrian forces enter Homs district after bombardment
November 07, 2011
http://www.realclearworld.com/news/reuters/international/2011/Nov/07/syrian_forces_enter_homs_district_after_bombardment.html

AMMAN (Reuters) – Troops and militiamen loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad entered a residential district of Homs after six days of tank bombardment that killed scores of people and wounded hundreds in the hotbed of unrest, residents and activists said on Monday.

Army defectors who had taken refuge in Bab Amro and helped defend the neighborhood, which has seen regular street rallies against Assad’s autocratic rule, had withdrawn and loyalist forces moved in overnight, they said.

“They are storming houses now and arresting people, but not many are left in Bab Amro. The shabbiha (pro-Assad militia) have brought pick-up trucks and are looting buildings,” Raed Ahmad, one of the activists, said by phone.

Syrian authorities have banned independent media from Homs, making it impossible to verify events on the ground.

(Reporting by Khaled Yacoub Oweis, Amman newsroom; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

November 7th, 2011, 10:38 pm

 

bronco said:

#139 Ya Mara Ghalba

I agree with you. The Al intervention, the bad feedback of Erdogan’s visit to Egypt and Tunisia and Iran’s uneaseness has pushed Turkey on the side. I think they don’t mind for now as they have far too many internal problems to deal with.
Erdogan does no want to look like a fool in recognizing the SNC when the AL and the arab countries have totally ignored it. He may look even more stupid asking Bashar to step down if ever the AL initiative succeeds. So until it becomes clearer where the events are going, Turkey will play low key with Syria.

November 7th, 2011, 10:48 pm

 

Ghufran said:

شوهد احد الشيوخ المسيسين يغطي وجهه عند رمي الجمرات-الشيطان و عندما استفسر احد الحجاج عن السبب قال
” بجوز بكرا نحتاجه”

November 7th, 2011, 10:57 pm

 

Ghufran said:

شاهداحد الحجيج شيخا مسيسا يغطي وجهه عند رمي الشيطان بالجمرات فاستفسره عن السبب فقال الشيخ
“بجوز بكرا نحتاجه”

November 7th, 2011, 11:00 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: BRONCO BILLY RIDING THE RANGE AT THE BESHO RANCH

RE: “…Erdogan may look even more stupid asking Bashar to step down…”

Why? Explain to us why anyone would look stupid by asking Pencilneck to get out of Dodge.

If you’re a savvy politician with ambitions to be a forward-thinking statesman, you’d want to be perceived as on the leading-edge of progress. You look around, see how events are transpiring. Mubarack, Qaddafi. Hmmm. Who’s next? What reactionary, autocratic, crypto-fascist dictator will be the next to go?

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that Besho will soon be in the dustbin of history. The progressive ones are calling for him to step down. The reactionaries are hunkering down and crying out how this is all a Jew/MB/CIA/Saudi plot. No surprise there. Fascists always blame everyone but themselves.

It doesn’t matter. In the long run, they’ll all be dead. You know the saying: change or die…

November 7th, 2011, 11:12 pm

 

louai said:

I am hearing very good news from Babelsba3 , I think a full control is taken over the neighbourhood , people went to the streets after 7pm for the first time in 4 months !! first time i hear happy news from there ,it just feels great !!

i wonder what the next step to the terrorists, the more desperate they are the more crimes they commit but i see the Syrian people are much more united than their enemies wishe, i know for a matter of fact that Syria will emerge stronger and more beautiful than ever , the country had been baptized in the blood of the martyrs and the tears had washed its heart .

November 7th, 2011, 11:17 pm

 

jad said:

This French dude is obsessed with Syria:

اعلن وزير الخارجية الفرنسي آلان جوبيه عن نية بلاده التشاور مع حلفائها في مجلس الأمن الدولي حول مطالبة المعارضة السورية بتوفير حماية دولية لسكان مدينة حمص.

واكد جوبيه خلال مؤتمر صحفي يوم الاثنين 7 نوفمبر/تشرين الثاني إن تصرفات النظام السوري “غير مقبولة” و”لا يمكن أن نثق في هذا النظام”، موضحا أن بلاده تعمل بالتنسيق مع دول المنطقة لدعم المعارضة السورية، كما تواصل تحركها أيضا في مجلس الأمن.

وقال الوزير الفرنسي انه تطرق الى هذا الموضوع على هامش قمة مجموعة العشرين، مع عدد من المسؤولين في الدول الأعضاء بمجلس الأمن، من بينها البرازيل.

وكان آلان جوبيه قد قال يوم الاحد: “أعتقد شخصيا أننا لم نعد ننتظر شيئا من النظام السوري الذي على الرغم مما يعلن عنه من حين الى آخر لن يجري أي برنامج إصلاحات”.

وأضاف: ” لقد اتخذت مبادرات مختلفة لمحاولة دفع النظام إلى الحوار، والقيادة السورية وافقت على خطة الجامعة العربية وفي اليوم التالي ذبح عشرات الأشخاص في الشارع”.

هذا وطالب المجلس الوطني السوري في وقت سابق من يوم الاثنين إلى إعلان حمص “مدينة منكوبة”، مطالبا المجتمع الدولي بتوفير “الحماية الدولية” لسكانها.

رئيسة المركز العربي الأمريكي للأبحاث والدراسات: المجلس لم يقصد انه اراد التدخل العسكري

واعتبرت رئيسة المركز العربي الأمريكي للأبحاث والدراسات فرح أتاسي في حديث لـ”روسيا اليوم” من واشنطن ان المجلس الوطني السوري “لم يقصد انه اراد التدخل العسكري ومن الخطأ ان تقع وسائل الاعلام في هذه السقطات الكلامية”.

وقالت انه “عندما يطلب الشعب السوري، واهالي حمص يستغيثون ليكون هناك من يحميهم ويحمي حاراتهم من القصف بالطيران الحربي والمدني ويساعدهم انسانيا وحقوقيا فلا يعني ذلك ان الشارع السوري يدعو الى تدخل خارجي ومن المبكر جدا وسابق لاوانه الحديث عن هذا”.

November 7th, 2011, 11:17 pm

 

bronco said:

#145 Dale Andersen

…and you in Comaland with your master.

November 7th, 2011, 11:18 pm

 

jad said:

السفير السوري في القاهرة ينتقد العربي ونائبه معتبرا انهما يتبعان سياسة المعايير المزدوجة

انتقدت سورية على لسان مندوبها الدائم في الجامعة العربية، سفيرها في القاهرة يوسف أحمد بشدة امين عام الجامعة نبيل العربي ونائبه أحمد بن حلى على خلفية مطالبتهما الحكومة السورية بتنفيذ التزاماتها التي وافقت عليها في خطة العمل العربية لحل الأزمة.

ونقل التلفزيون السوري ليل الاحد على الاثنين 7 نوفمبر/تشرين الثاني عن السفير أحمد قوله ان “سورية تسجل استغرابها للتصريحات التي أدلى بها العربي وبن حلى وخاصة أنهما يعرفان جيدا أن الورقة التي اتخذت عنوان “خطة العمل العربية” جاءت نتيجة جهد كبير بذل بين اللجنة الوزارية العربية والقيادة والمسؤولين في سورية عبر سلسلة من اللقاءات في دمشق والدوحة من أجل مساعدة سورية على الخروج من الأزمة الحالية وليس من أجل استنزاف طاقاتها ومقدراتها وصولا إلى ضرب موقعها العربي والإقليمي وتشويه الحقيقة المشرفة لمواقفها القومية ودعمها للحق العربي”.

وأكد احمد أنه “من المفروض أن تقوم الأمانة العامة للجامعة العربية بالدور التنسيقي بين الحكومة السورية واللجنة الوزارية وليس أن تنصب نفسها طرفا في مواجهة الحكومة السورية وخاصة أننا زودنا ونزود الأمانة العامة بكل المعلومات التي تظهر الاعتداءات التي تمارسها المجموعات الإرهابية المسلحة على المدنيين وقوات الأمن”.

وأعرب أحمد عن دهشته من أن العربي وبن حلى “لم يلحظا بنية صادقة، وانطلاقا من المسؤولية القومية، التحريض الأمريكي السافر للمجموعات الإرهابية المسلحة في سورية على عدم تسليم أسلحتهم والاستفادة من العفو السوري”، متسائلا “لماذا بقيا صامتين ولم يقولا شيئا حيال ذلك.. هل وقع الأمين العام ونائبه في دائرة السياسات والمعايير المزدوجة التي تدعي الدفاع عن حقوق الإنسان في مكان وتتجاهلها في مكان آخر؟”.

وشدد السفير السوري أن بلاده “تجدد اليوم إلتزامها بما وافقت عليه لا بل قطعت شوطا جيدا على طريق تنفيذه بدليل العفو الذي أعلنه وزير الداخلية السوري بالنسبة للمسلحين والإفراج عن أكثر من 500 معتقل بسبب الأحداث الأخيرة”.

وأشار احمد الى أن سورية سمحت لمجموعة من الصحفيين الاجانب بدخول أراضيها لتقصي الواقع الفعلي قائلا: “بالمقابل أسال، هل توقفت أشكال التحريض السياسي والاعلامي العربي والخارجي أم ازدادت استعارا؟، وهل تعاملت قنوات التضليل الاعلامي، وكلنا يعرف من هي هذه القنوات وما انتماءاتها ومواقعها وقواعدها، هل تعاملت بايجابية وجدية واخلاص مع متطلبات انجاح خطة العمل العربية أم سلكت سلوكا معاكسا؟”.

المصدر: وكالات

November 7th, 2011, 11:20 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

Change or die, Bronco…

November 7th, 2011, 11:24 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Louai,
We all want peace for Homs
I am concerned that hundreds of armed men fled that part of the city and they might be regrouping and getting ready to pop up somewhere else.
Another concern is the absence of any political solution after 8 months of fighting and blood shed. I never supported the use of violence by any party in Syia especially the regime forces. Without a political compromise this crisis will not end.
فشل النظام في خنق الاحتجاجات و فشلت المعارضه في إسقاط النظام

November 7th, 2011, 11:32 pm

 

zoo said:

New: Travel within Iran with Qatar Airways.

“A lot of that has to do with Syria, and the Qataris believing that they can persuade Iran to put pressure on Syria to reform or get rid of Assad.

Qatar Conquers Iran’s Airspace
http://www.rferl.org/content/qatar_conquers_irans_airspace/24382213.html

“Allowing Qatar or any other foreign country to operate some of our domestic flight is aimed at diminishing the pressure of the sanctions, and it is a suitable policy under the current conditions,” Iranian lawmaker Ali Akbar Moghanjoughi was quoted as saying about the agreement.

For its part Qatar Airways announced on October 31 a “150 percent increase in overall frequency” of its flights to Iran beginning December 1. The airline said there will be an additional 31 flights each week from Doha, with the historic city Isfahan being added as a destination city. Qatar Airways has already flights to three major Iranian cities: Tehran, Mashhad, and Shiraz.

The press release did not include any information about the airline taking over Iranian domestic flights.

“Today’s announcement is a historic moment showing the strengthening of ties between our two countries,” Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker said.

Blake Hounshell, the Doha-based managing editor of “Foreign Policy,” tells RFE/RL the deal between Iran and Qatar could be viewed as a setback in U.S. efforts to isolate the Islamic republic over its sensitive nuclear work.

“It’s going to be seen — in Washington certainly — as one more example of Qatar not being as cooperative as United States would like about sanctions. I don’t think Qatar is violating any laws here but they’re certainly violating the spirit of isolating Iran,” Hounshell said.

He believes the deal is part of a pattern in Qatari foreign policy of playing Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the United States against one another.

“A lot of that has to do with Syria, and the Qataris believing that they can persuade Iran to put pressure on Syria to reform or get rid of Assad. So I think the Qataris are using the open door, and the relatively good relations they have with Iranians to try to be useful,” Hounshell said.

November 7th, 2011, 11:34 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: GHUFRAN

RE: “…Without a political compromise this crisis will not end…”

Exactly. As the Alawis are killed, one by one, or head for the hills to save their skins, Besho’s going to be forced, bit-by-bit, to rely ever-more-heavily on the Sunnis. And that reliance won’t come without a price.

Eventually, of course, the price will be Besho’s head. But that’s another story for another day…

November 7th, 2011, 11:46 pm

 

bronco said:

MajdalKhaldoon

“Assad is no better than several syrian who can do better job and much better than him”

I’ve been waiting 7 months to see ONE Syrian personality that I would trust in bringing ‘freedom’, ‘democracy’ and peace to this country, I have seen none. Either they are weak, or puppets of the US and the Western countries, or arrogant, or hypocrite or just dumb.

If you have some names, please tell me … Ghalioun? Kilo? Introduce me to a suitable replacement to Bashar Al Assad then you can accuse me of being subjugated by Bashar.

November 7th, 2011, 11:47 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran\
as for your criticism of Ghalioun speech, I have to say it was a speech because of Eid Al Adha, Kurds do celebrate Eid Al Adha,christiand they do not. Do the Alawite go to Mecca to perform pilgrimage? I am not aware of any Alawite has ever did that.

November 7th, 2011, 11:48 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Bronco
There are many many who can do better than bashar
Haytham Maleh is one of them Hasan Abdulazim is another, Aaref Dalileh this is just to mention few.

November 7th, 2011, 11:51 pm

 

873 said:

More quakes in Okla, some sizable. Sorry Joshua.
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen April 28, 1997 8:45 AM EDT

http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674
DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

Cohen’s keynote address at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy at the Georgia Center, Mahler Auditorium, University of Georgia, Athens, Ga. The event is part of the Sam Nunn Policy Forum being hosted by the University of Georgia. Secretary Cohen is joined by Sen. Sam Nunn and Sen. Richard G. Lugar.]

The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so important.

November 7th, 2011, 11:54 pm

 

Halabi said:

Given the fact that you pin all your hopes on one man, a person who has been detached from normal society all of his life (his father became the dictator when Bashar was four) and came into power because his older brother crashed his benz while going to party in Berlin, it isn’t hard to conclude that you worship him. Or are subjugated.
He does have nice eyes and has kept fit. Imagine the irony if he winds up in a prison cell with one of his hardened shabiha, the baghil with the Betho tattoo who dropped his cellphone in Homs during the clock massacre. I’m sure the shabeeh will be gentle.

November 8th, 2011, 12:02 am

 

zoo said:

Plan B: Blue Berets in Syria soon?
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27239

London, Asharq Al-Awsat- The situations in Syria entered a new stage yesterday with signs of Arab-international-regional manoeuvrings emerging, which could lead to fundamental changes in the handling of the Syrian crisis.
Next to the extraordinary session that the Arab initiative committee will hold next Saturday to discuss the Syrian Government’s failure to implement its obligations which it accepted in the Arab action plan for resolving the Syrian crisis, sources in the Syrian opposition have disclosed they have received promises that the UN Security Council [UNSC] will hold a session after the Arab meeting to discuss a UN resolution to send international observers to Syria while Turkey has expressed its “readiness and ability” to establish a buffer zone on condition of getting an “Arab and international cover.”

Turkish sources have told Asharq Al-Awsat that Ankara is coordinating on a “high-level” with both Qatar that chairs the Arab initiative and with the Arab League [AL] and Washington. They said Turkey was going to announce several sanctions in a message that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyib Erdogan was scheduled to address to the Syrians during his inspection of their camps inside Turkey but that was postponed “so as to make room for the Arab initiative and see what results it will have.” But the sources pointed out that “with the escalation in the situation and the stalling of the initiative, Turkey might raise the (sanctions) issue again.” They added that Turkey was holding contacts with the UNSC member countries that are still hesitant, especially Brazil and South Africa which have very close ties with Turkey, in order to persuade them to take a different stand.

The Turkish sources disclosed that Ankara has imposed what could be described as sanctions on Damascus, like its total ban on the entry of weapons to Syria, this includes stopping three previous shipments from Iran, in addition to “the careful examination” of particular banking transfers to businessmen loyal to the regime so as to pressure and prevent them from supporting it. They cited Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu about his country’s readiness to impose a buffer zone all along the borders to protect the civilians and stressing that his country “has the readiness and ability to impose the buffer zone but we need an Arab and international cover.”

Meanwhile, sources in the Syrian opposition have told Asharq Al-Awsat they have received promises of holding a new UNSC session this week whose agenda will include a draft resolution to send a team of observers to Syria. They pointed out that the mission of the “blue berets” would be to watch the Syrian violations and hence protect the demonstrators from the daily killings.

On his part, Radwan Ziyadah, member of the Syrian National Council, told Asharq Al-Awsat that the AL’s next meeting on Saturday could be decisive “because the regime has been given three chances so far and squandered them all. I believe this is enough to force the hesitant countries to take a stand.” He pointed out that “it is obvious that the Syrian regime will not stop the killings but on the contrary, it is using all the army’s firing power in shelling the cities” and added: “Things will be better if it (the AL) takes the right decision, demands international protection, and authorizes the UNSC to take the appropriate resolution. It will then be impossible for Russia and China to use the (veto) or even abstain from voting.” He said “it would be a mockery and ridiculous for the AL to give the regime more chances after all it has done” and noted in return that the Syrian opposition’s contacts with AL Secretary General Nabil Elaraby “showed an unusual seriousness” in addition to the opposition’s contacts with countries Ziyadah described as “hesitant” such as Sudan and Algeria which “showed a change in stands.”

November 8th, 2011, 12:11 am

 

syria no kandahar said:

Majedoglu
Haitham Maleh Has brain atrophy and needs to start on Aricept.
Hafez Assad went to Mecca if you check that,for Haj.
Ghallion is a puppet in the hands of MB and Hamad and Moza.
Opposition without the religion and sectarian cards will get what tea party gets.they are chickineng out from going for democratic process,and asking for democracy coming with the bombs of Nato planes.Any way the caves in Homs are being cleaned out,and your terrorist Allah Akbar Virgins Dreamers are either in hell or on their way to hell.without Bab omer and surrounded Kandahared nieghborhoods and some terrorists controlled areas ibn Edlib,you have no Assets in syria.Your biggest assets are in Stokholm,London and Qater.you also are loved by the paper iger called Airdogan,who is planning to move his but one day and come to the camps of 3 meals seakers,traters in Antakia.Any way Syria is much harder meat for MB to chew than egypt,Libya or Tunisia,especially after the mighty syria army removes MB teeth.They are welcomed in the new syria with bridges in their mouth,they can keep their beard and keep their mostach shaved.

November 8th, 2011, 12:12 am

 

jad said:

Ghufran,
‘getting ready to pop up somewhere else.’
They are already gathering in Idleb/turkish border:
-Idleb had trouble today because of armed terrorists cutting the streets
-Turkey is marketing the buffer zone
-The states are pushing turkey to get tougher as soon as possible.
That means; creating a Syrian ‘benghazi’ in the north is underway

November 8th, 2011, 12:12 am

 

louai said:

Dear Ghfran.

Yes its true , it feels that the armed men runing from one city to another , after Hama we heard reports saying they flied to Jisr alshughor , after few days Jisr alshoughor was a hell
But I think Homs was really their capital and safe heave due to its special nature. Let’s pray they will be out of Homs permanently and their next destination is detention and prison

‘Without a political compromise this crisis will not end’, I cant agree more but a political solution to a political problem.
unlike you I support the use of force by the government ,what can you do with group of men who started to apply their own radical law and kill people according to their sects or depending on fatwa to kill this and torture that? 3 people I know got killed all of them received threats from the revolutionaries few days before they died,the three of them informed the police of the threats but the police couldn’t do any thing!!

I by no way support violent against any one but after seeing my beautiful city being transferred to Kandahar and all the harmony between its people converted to hatred and potential sectarian war I demanded from my government to use force against the terrorists,
Every time the president call for dialogue or make any positive move they escalate the situation

for the opposition and specially the external one is a struggle for power , they will save no way trying to ‘topple the regime ‘ even if the cost is burning the entire country .

I think the government realized the important of having a national opposition and it’s going in that direction, I know you may not agree with me but I think the president has now more support than ever to lead the country to where it should be .

November 8th, 2011, 12:17 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

SNK
You are funny, you know very well that Hafez never performed pigrimage can you show me his picture performing pilgrimage
delusional and ilusional,fabricating, did you think this will pass?

November 8th, 2011, 12:23 am

 

jad said:

Dear Norman:

“سماحة مفتي الجمهورية الدكتور أحمد بدر الدين حسون ينفي فيه ما ينشر على مواقع التواصل الإجتماعي الفيس بوك و التويتر و بعض المواقع الإلكترونية أن الرئيس بشار الأسد سيتنحى عن الحكم بعد إتمام العملية الإصلاحية و يؤكد أن الكلام عار عن الصحة و أنه أيضاً لم يصرح أبداً بمثل هذا الكلام و يؤكد أن الرئيس بشار الأسد باقٍ عند رغبة شعبه و سيتنحي إذا شعبه طلب منه التنحي”

November 8th, 2011, 12:26 am

 
 

bronco said:

Majedalkhaldoon

I am glad that you named the Syrians living in Syria.

Haytham Maleh is 80, he is too old to lead.
Delila is 68 but suffers from diabetis and heart problem. Both can be party leaders but I doubt they can sustain the pressure of a presidency.

Hasan Abdulazim is 79 years old, but his credential is very good ( see the link) and he may play a role in the transition. I think he made a mistake to accept a visit of Ford, as if the US wanted to discredit him. He will have to prove he is not a US puppet.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/hassan-abdul-azim-syrias-homegrown-dissident

The three of them are ready to dialog with the regime under Bashar leadership. They are realistic, but they are overshadowed by the Istanbul gang, the SNC funded by the US and western countries and sponsored by Turkey. Do they stand any chance? The media hardly talks of them, and they never appear on any TV, why?

November 8th, 2011, 12:42 am

 

jad said:

الأبعاد الجيو – سياسية للأزمة السورية
نادر عزالدين

كثيرة هي النظريات والحقائق التي طرحت حول الأبعاد الحقيقية للأزمة السورية المستمرة منذ ما يقارب الثمانية أشهر، وعلى الرغم من أن الكثير مما قيل لامس بشكل أو بآخر جوانباً من الحقيقة، إلا أنه بقي ناقصاً بسبب تعدد أوجه الصراع القائم في سوريا والمنطقة بأكملها من جهة، وتشعب الملفات وتداخلها من جهة أخرى. ومن ضمن الأوجه التي نتحدث عنها “الأبعاد الجيو – سياسية للأزمة السورية”، هذه الأبعاد التي كان يجب الإضاءة عليها منذ بداية الأزمة بشكل جدي نظراً لأهميتها، نكشف عن بعضها في لقاء لموقع المنار الإلكتروني مع الأستاذ في العلاقات الدولية الدكتور جمال واكيم الذي أصدر مؤخراً كتاباً بعنوان “صراع القوى الكبرى على سوريا ” تضمن شرحاً تفصيلياً لحقيقة ما يجري اليوم في منطقتنا بشكل عام وفي سوريا بشكل خاص.

بداية يؤكد د. واكيم أن ما دعي بالربيع العربي هو في جزء منه محاولة ربيع وفي جزء آخر محاولة تجديد أدوات الهيمنة الأميركية على المنطقة لتحقيق عدة أهداف إستراتيجية. فعندما انتهت الحرب الباردة في مطلع التسعينات من العام الماضي، وضعت توجيهات لإعادة رسم العلاقات الدولية انطلاقاً من منطقة الشرق الأوسط، لأن أهمية هذه المنطقة تكمن بأنها تحدد نمط علاقات القوى القائمة على المستوى الدولي. فمنذ فجر التاريخ كانت تتقاطع طرق المواصلات التجارية في هذا المنطقة. مع الإشارة إلى أن في هذا الشرق الأدنى ثلاث قوى فاعلة هي مصر، تركيا، والعراق التي تتكامل مع إيران كنطاق جيو – استراتيجي واحد، يتوسطهم “بر الشام” أو سوريا التي تصل بين هذه القوى الثلاثة.

عندما بدأت مؤخراً بوادر “الربيع العربي”، دخلت الولايات المتحدة على الخط لإعادة تنظيم مخططها في السيطرة على منطقة الشرق الأوسط الممتدة من حدود الصين شرقاً إلى شواطئ الأطلسي غرباً بغية تحقيق عدة أهداف، أولها إحكام الهيمنة على أوروبا عبر عزلها بالدرجة الأولى عن افريقيا وأي دور مستقل فيها، بالإضافة إلى عزلها عن أي دور مستقل للتقارب مع روسيا، ثانياً والأهم هو منع ائتلاف القوى البرية المتمثلة بالصين وروسيا من الوصول إلى شرق المتوسط من ناحية ومن الوصول إلى المحيط الهندي من ناحية أخرى وبالتالي السيطرة على هذه المنطقة تهدف إلى تحقيق هذا الهدف الإستراتيجي. وإن التفتنا إلى ما جرى في العقد الماضي بعد اجتياح العراق، من تصاعد للمقاومة العراقية من ناحية ونجاح المقاومة في لبنان في مواجهة العدو الإسرائيلي ونجاح حركة حماس في كسر الحصار المفروض عليها في قطاع غزة، نستنتج أن كل هذه العوامل أدت إلى تزخيم المقاومة وإضعاف المشروع الأميركي في المنطقة، فكان يجب إعطاؤه زخماً جديداً عبر إعادة خلق محور يسمى بمحور الاعتدال مكوّن من عاصمتين عربيتين هما الرياض والقاهرة لمواجهة ما يسمى بالتمدد الإيراني، باعتبار أن إيران كانت داعمة لسوريا والمقاومة في لبنان وفلسطين.

وفي تعليقه على الموضوع يشدد الدكتور واكيم على أن محور الاعتدال العربي فشل في المواجهة المطلوبة منه، فكان لزاماً إدخال قوة جديدة على الخط لتدعيم هذا المحور، والمتمثلة بحزب العدالة والتنمية في تركيا. وعندما نقرأ أحمد داود أوغلو في كتابه “العمق الإستراتيجي”، نجده يقول بكل صراحة، إن تركيا يجب أن تلعب دوراً بما لا يتناقض مع الدور الأميركي والدور الغربي في المنطقة،كما يجب أن تتوافق تركيا مع الولايات المتحدة استراتيجياً في البلقان والقوقاز والمشرق العربي، لكن الدور التركي كان يجب أن يمر عبر “بر الشام”، أي سوريا. وقد تكامل هذا أيضاً مع مفهوم أوروبي للأمن يعتمد على عزل آسيا عن شواطئ المتوسط، وآسيا هنا هي الإسلام بشقيه السني والشيعي، وهكذا تضافرت الجهود الثلاث لمحاولة قلب نظام الرئيس بشار الأسد بما يؤمّن قيام حرب أهلية تؤدي إلى تقسيم سوريا إلى ثلاث نطاقات في الحد الأدنى:
– نطاق ساحلي يعزل السنة والشيعة عن الوصول للبحر المتوسط
– نطاق سني في الشمال يكون تابعاً لتركيا بما يؤمّن لها العمق الإستراتيجي الذي تحدث عنه أحمد داود أوغلو
– منطقة شرقية جنوبية تقع تحت النفوذ السعودي بطريقة غير مباشرة

أما بالنسبة لفرص نجاح المشروع الأميركي في فرض هيمنة مطلقة على إقليم الشام، يعتقد الدكتور جمال واكيم أنها بعيدة الاحتمال، لا بل شبه مستحيلة وذلك لأسباب عديدة. ففي الدرجة الأولى، من لا يستطيع المساومة على هذا الموضوع هما روسيا والصين، أما إيران تأتي في الدرجة الثانية. صحيح أن الجمهورية الإسلامية ليس من مصلحتها أبداً سقوط نظام الأسد، إلا أنها تستطيع التكيف مع خسارة سوريا في حال حدث ذلك عبر عزل نفسها في إقليمها. وإن عدنا تاريخياً إلى أيام الساسانيين وقبلهم البارثيين ، نرى أن كلاهما حاول الاندفاع نحو شرق المتوسط وفشلا في ذلك أكثر من مرّة بوجه اليونانيين والرومان، وكذلك فعل الصفويون إلا أن الدولة العثمانية كانت تصدهم دائماً. وبالإجمال فإن إيران لديها نزعة للإنطواء على الذات، فعندما تتأزم الأوضاع تنفجر إيران إلى الداخل وليس إلى الخارج. إذاً خلافاً لما يشاع فإن إيران تتأثر بدرجة أقل من روسيا والصين في حال سقوط النظام السوري.

أما بالنسبة لروسيا والصين فهما لا تحتملان خسارة هذا الإقليم أبداً. فتاريخياً أبضاً، كانت روسيا تشعر بأنها تمتلك عمقاً في البر الآسيوي يحمي ظهرها عند أي صراع مع البر الأوروبي، وتعتبر روسيا هذا العمق الآسيوي حديقة خلفية تؤمن لها القسم الأكبر من الحماية. ويمكننا أن نلاحظ أنّ خسارة روسيا للحرب الباردة لم يأت نتيجة إغلاق أوروبا في وجهها ولا إغلاق جنوب شرق آسيا، إنما نتيجة تراجع دورها في الشرق الأوسط، ومن هذا المنطلق قال الرئيس المصري الراحل جمال عبد الناصر عام 1969 إنه على ضفاف نهر السويس يقرر مصير العالم، وكان محقاً في قوله. وفي الحرب العالمية الثانية عندما اندفع هتلر إلى العمق البري الأوروبي الآسيوي اكتشف أنه لو سيطر حتى على موسكو لن يستفيد بشيء فحوّل هجومه من قلب روسيا إلى الأطراف أي إلى أقرب نقطة تلتقي فيها روسيا مع الشرق الأوسط مثل ستالينغراد ومناطق القوقاز لمحاولة الإلتفاف على العمق الروسي والضرب في الحديقة الخلفية. وأميركا أيضاً لم تستطيع تحقيق هذا النصر إلا بعد خروج مصر من الصراع العربي الإسرائيلي والحصار الذي فرض على سوريا في الثمانينات. وهنا نستنتج أن خسارة سوريا، آخر موطئ قدم لموسكو في الشرق الأوسط، سيدفع تركيا بأن تلعب الدور الأميركي المطلوب منها بالضرب عميقاً في منطقة القوقاز وجمهوريات وسط آسيا.

أما بالنسبة للصين فهي كذلك لا تستطيع خسارة سوريا، حيث أنه لا يمكن لأي قوّة عظمى أن تضع طرق مواصلاتها التجارية العالمية تحت هيمنة قوّة أخرى. يشرح الدكتور واكيم عن الارتباط الصيني بروسيا، مشيراً إلى أن خروج الصين عبر البحار محكوم بائتلاف قوّة بحرية مكونة من مجموعة من الجزر التابعة للولايات المتحدة، من اليابان إلى تايوان إلى الفيليبين إلى ماليزيا إلى أندونيسيا، فكل هؤلاء هم ائتلاف قوى مرتبط بأميركا، وبالتالي خروج الصين إلى المحيط الهادئ بات صعباً. والصين محكومة جنوباً أيضاً بائتلاف قوى تابعة للولايات المتحدة من بورما إلى تايلند إلى فييتنام التي أصبحت مرتبطة بالرأسمال الأميركي بالإضافة إلى الهند. وبالتالي فقد بات خروج الصين إلى العالم محصوراً بالشرق الأوسط، وإذا سقطت سوريا هذا يعني أن الشرق الأوسط أغلق بوجه الصين، مع الإشارة إلى أن بنية الصين الصناعية تحتم عليها الوصول إلى الموارد الأولية في العالم من ناحية وهي بحاجة إلى الوصول لطرق التجارة العالمية بسبب بنيتها الصناعية من ناحية أخرى. ولا يمكننا أن ننسى أبداً إثارة واشنطن للمشاكل داخل الصين بين “الهان” و”الايغوز” عندما كادت في فترة من الفترات أن تسيطر أميركا على المنطقة الممتدة من حدود الصين شرقاً إلى ضفاف المحيط الأطلسي غرباً. وبالتالي فإن الصين وروسيا ليسا بوارد خسارة سوريا وانتقالها بالكامل إلى الضفة الأخرى، أو بوارد الغوص مع الإدارة الأميركية في مفاوضات لا تسمن ولا تغني، وأقل ما يقال فيها أنها مفاوضات للبت بطريقة إعدامهما … أرمياً بالرصاص؟ أم على كرسي الكهرباء؟ أشنقاً في الساحات العامة؟ أو بقطع الرؤوس على طريقة بعض المعارضة السورية؟!

http://www.almanar.com.lb/adetails.php?fromval=2&cid=23&frid=21&seccatid=23&eid=130796

November 8th, 2011, 12:52 am

 

jad said:

The obsessed french dude again and the arrogant turkish ghoul:

جوبيه:نخشى على أمن اليونيفيل وعدم تمويل المحكمة يؤثرعلى علاقتنا بلبنان

اعتبر وزير الخارجية الفرنسي آلان جوبيه أن “مبادرة الجامعة العربية للحل في سوريا قد ماتت”، مؤكدا أن “الدول العربية تتحمل مسؤولية كبرى تجاه الوضع في سوريا وعليها ممارسة ضغوط كبيرة على دمشق من أجل أن تتطور الأمور فيها، كما على تركيا لعب دور لما لها من إمكانيات كبيرة للتأثير على سوريا”.
واستبعد جوبيه في حديث لـ”الشرق الأوسط” القيام “بعملية عسكرية ضد دمشق”، معتبرا أن “عقيدة بلاده تقوم على اشتراط تفويض من مجلس الأمن الدولي لأي تحرك ضد دمشق”. وقدر جوبيه أن “النظام السوري سيتغير لكن ذلك سيأخذ وقتا”. موضحا انه “نحن في وضع مختلف تماما عما كان عليه الوضع في ليبيا. في الحالة الليبية كانت المعارضة تطالب الأسرة الدولية بالتدخل، وحظي طلبها بدعم من الدول العربية، كما أن القرار 1973 الصادر عن مجلس الأمن الذي طرحته الدول الغربية نال دعم لبنان “العضو في المجلس”. أما في الحالة السورية، فإن الوضع مختلف، وحتى الآن ليس ثمة تفكير بعملية عسكرية”. مضيفا ان “هناك مخاطر تهديد الاستقرار الإقليمي الذي هو من مسؤولية مجلس الأمن الذي عليه أن يحذر وأن يتخذ التدابير اللازمة لمنع الإخلال بالاستقرار في المنطقة وتحديدا في لبنان”.
وكشف الوزير الفرنسي أنه “ونظراءه الأوروبيين سيدرسون فرض سلة عقوبات اقتصادية ومالية جديدة على سوريا في اجتماعهم القادم”. وعلى الصعيد الفرنسي المحض أعلن جوبيه أن “باريس جاهزة للاعتراف بالمجلس الوطني السوري المعارض شرط أن ينظم نفسه، وأن الموضوع قيد الدرس فرنسيا”، داعيا المجلس إلى “بلورة برنامج حكم”.
ولفت جوبيه ان “فرنسا لديها مخاوف على أمن “اليونيفيل”. ونحن نعي جيدا ذلك، خصوصا أنه حصلت اعتداءات ضد “اليونيفيل”. وكنا طلبنا من الحكومة اللبنانية أن تتخذ التدابير اللازمة من أجل حماية مواكب “اليونيفيل”، وهذا ما حصل”. مشيرا الى “تلقي تطمينات من السلطات اللبنانية بهذا الشأن. كذلك طلبنا من الأمم المتحدة أن تقوم بمراجعة استراتيجية لدور القوة الدولية، لذا من المفيد أن نطرح على بساط البحث طبيعة مهمتها وتنظيمها وعديدها، وأيضا علاقاتها بالقوات اللبنانية المسلحة “الجيش اللبناني”. مرجحا أن “تتم هذه المراجعة مع نهاية العام الحالي”.
واشار جوبيه الى “اعلامه اللبنانيين تمني فرنسا أن تنجز المحكمة الدولية مهمتها”، مطالبا الحكومة اللبنانية مهما تكن أن “تتيح للمحكمة إنجاز مهمتها وأن يمدد انتدابها. وقلنا ذلك بوضوح كامل لرئيس الوزراء نجيب ميقاتي الذي أكد لنا أن هذا ما ينوي القيام به. وأنا أعلم أنه يجد معارضة من حزب الله “وليس حزب الله وحده”. مضيفا انه “على أي حال، هذه النقطة بالنسبة لنا بالغة الأهمية. وسيكون لها تأثير على علاقاتنا مع لبنان في حال لم تفِ الحكومة اللبنانية بالتزاماتها”. ولفت جوبيه الى ان “ميقاتي اعلن له أنه عازم على التصرف بشكل يسمح للمحكمة بأن تعمل، أي أنه سيعمل على تمويلها. ولكننا ما زلنا ننتظر أن يترجم هذا الالتزام إلى واقع. وحتى الآن هذا الأمر لم يحصل”.
وتمنى جوبيه باسم المبادئ الإنسانية عدم إعادة أي من الهاربين السوريين إلى بلادهم لانه يعرضهم لمخاطر الاعتقال في ظروف صعبة وللتعذيب وخلافه”.
وفي الموضوع الفلسطيني اعتبر جوبيه أنه “لا فائدة من الاستراتيجية الفلسطينية الحالية في مجلس الأمن، وأن الرباعية فشلت ولا أحد يقدم للرئيس الفلسطيني محمود عباس أفضل مما تعرضه فرنسا في الوقت الحاضر”. وكشف جوبيه أن “الرئيس الفلسطيني أبدى في نيويورك انفتاحا على المقترح الفرنسي لكنه اختار في النهاية مسار مجلس الأمن”.

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غول: نظام الصواريخ الاميركي الذي نشر في تركيا لا يستهدف ايران تحديدا

نشرت “الفاينانشيال تايمز” البريطانية تقريرا استند الى مقابلة مع الرئيس التركي عبد الله غول اشار فيها الى ان “علاقة بلاده بالولايات المتحدة ليست سيئة”. وتفاخر الرئيس التركي بزيادة نفوذ بلاده في الشرق الاوسط، قائلا ان “النجاح التركي خاصة في العقد الاخير ابهر العالم العربي. لهذا يتابعوننا ولهذا لدينا نفوذ غير مباشر”.
وحذر غول سوريا من “تشجيع مقاتلي حزب العمال “الكردستاني”، مؤكدا ان “بلاده تراقب هذا الامر، وان رات ان سوريا لم تعد تؤوي مقاتلي الحزب كما كان في السابق”. ورد على الاتهامات الايرانية بان “بلاده انما تنفذ مخططات اميركية ضد ايران”، مشيرا الى ان “نظام الصواريخ الاميركي الذي نشر في تركيا لا يستهدف ايران تحديدا”. وتنقل الصحيفة عن الرئيس التركي قوله انه “لا يجب تحديد دولة معينة كعدو. فهذا نظام ضد الصواريخ”.
واوضحت “الفاينانشيال تايمز” ان “المسؤولين الاتراك يتوقعون ان تنقل واشنطن ايضا فقاعدة الطائرات بدون طيار من العراق الى قاعدة “انجرليك” التركية للمساعدة في مراقبة مقاتلي حزب “العمال الكردستاني”.

November 8th, 2011, 1:00 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@MAJD

Hafez did perform عمرة

November 8th, 2011, 1:12 am

 

Dale Andersen said:

Did God thank Hafez?

November 8th, 2011, 2:19 am

 

Uzair8 said:

The Forum
05/11/2011

This week’s Forum comes from the UK Parliament . Three distinguished guests and an audience probe the virtues and flaws of democracy in the Arab World and in Western parliamentary democracies.

[I listened to this programme on radio a couple of nights ago. 4 minutes in they turn to the Arab Spring. Scroll down the page (link below) for images of the participant].

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00ldyb3

November 8th, 2011, 2:50 am

 

Mina said:

The new Ahmad Chalabi holds a French passport but the French media have no mention of Ghalioun’s speech, in three days!
And you wonder why today’s kids know everything about hypocrisy?

November 8th, 2011, 3:05 am

 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

Hafez did not perform Haj
Hafez performed 3omra عمرة ,not Haj

Bashar performed عمرة

There is huge difference between Haj and 3omra,3omra is not a substitute to Haj.
3omra means only visit,they both did it because a Saudi king invited them.they were friends then.

Bronco
If one has diabetes he is not qualified to be president? where did you get this rule? and Haytham Maleh is very sharp mentally,remeber that Adenauer of Germany was 88 when he became PM of Germany,and Hashem Atassie was older than Haytham when he was appointed president.

It is not you who make the decision, it is the whole syrian people
your opinion doe not matter, one out of 23 million syrian.

November 8th, 2011, 3:48 am

 

habib said:

Heheh, looking forward to Majed’s response to post 165.

November 8th, 2011, 3:52 am

 

ann said:

Spoiling For Another Fight? – 11/7/11

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Spoiling-For-Another-Fight-by-Stephen-Lendman-111107-225.html

Spoiling for Another Fight? – by Stephen Lendman

America’s permanent war agenda.

American foreign policy is defined by rage to ravage. Lunatics run the asylum. Washington’s criminal class is bipartisan.

People have no say. Wealth and power alone matter. It’s always been that way, today more than ever. Post-WW II, America lurched from one war to another.

Today they’re waged in multiples. A queue perhaps includes Syria and Iran topping the list. Ongoing for months, Western intervention incited Syrian violence.

At issue is regime change, eliminating an Israeli rival, and advancing America’s imperium. Libya’s insurgency began the same way before NATO attacked last March. Will Syria follow the same pattern, then Iran?

So far, heated rhetoric alone is heard. On and off before it echoed. Media scoundrels regurgitate it. Is something different this time? Time alone will tell. Israel often makes baseless accusations. President Shimon Peres warned there’s “not much time left” to act.

Israel, of course, is the sole regional threat, nuclear armed and dangerous. A serial aggressor, it endangers Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran with potential attacks.

In contrast, Syria and Iran threaten no one. Rhetoric, of course, belies it. Warrior leaders like France’s Sarkozy whetted his killing appetite in Ivory Coast and Libya.

Despite overwhelming homeland opposition ahead of next year’s presidential election, he accused Iran of an “obsessional desire to acquire nuclear (weapons) in violation of all international rules….If Israel’s existence were threatened, France would not stand idly by.”

No evidence whatever suggests Iran’s developing nuclear weapons. Plenty shows Israel and France are nuclear armed and dangerous. So are axis of evil partners America and Britain. Whether or not attacking Iran is planned isn’t known.

The Islamic Republic’s taking no chances. On November 5, Press TV reported on “Iranophobia in what observers see as a political red herring to engage in a catastrophic war in the Middle East.”

Washington, Israel, Britain and France are up to their old tricks, inventing new threats to intervene. Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi expressed concern, saying:

“The US has unfortunately lost wisdom and prudence in dealing with international issues. It depends only on power. They have lost rationality; we are prepared for the worst but we hope they will think twice before they put themselves on a collision course with Iran.”

Allegations, of course, are baseless. Iran’s prepared to defend itself and respond if attacked. In August, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) General Ali Shadmani discussed counter measures. Press TV reported them as follows:

“1. As Israel is the USA’s backyard, Iran will disturb peace there. (The absence of peace in Israel will certainly deny repose to the USA as well).

2. It would take full control of the Strait of Hormuz, the waterway where over 40 percent of all traded oil passes (thereby spiraling up oil prices to a confounding level and dealing a heavy blow to the already deteriorating global economy).

3. It would keep a close watch on all American military bases in Afghanistan and Iraq. In case of an attack, Iran will cripple the troops stationed in those bases and incapacitate them of any possible move.”

Iran can’t cripple America or Israel. However, its formidable military can inflict considerable damage if attacked.

Iran threatens no one. However, it’ll respond forcefully in self-defense. International law permits it. All nations may legitimately retaliate if attacked. It’s their right.

AIPAC’s War Agenda

AIPAC’s itching for a fight. Its web site drips with anti-Iranian diatribes. Spurious material includes memos citing:

* Iran’s grave overall threat;

* its nuclear threat;

* its “leading state sponsor of terrorism” role;

* its “provocations demand(ing a) tough response;” and

* stopping its “nuclear smuggling.”

Two congressional bills were also discussed:

* HR 1905: Iran Threat Reduction Act of 2011 “(t)o strengthen Iran sanctions law for the purpose of compelling Iran to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons and other threatening activities, and for other purposes.”

Introduced on May 13, it was reported to the House Foreign Affairs Committee. So far, no further action was taken.

* S. 1048: Iran, North Korea, and Syria Sanctions Consolidate Act of 2011 “to expand sanctions with respect to the Islamic Republic of Iran, North Korea, and Syria, and for other purposes.”

Introduced on May 23, it was referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs on October 13. So far, no further action was taken.

Sanctions alone don’t start wars. However, these bills edge closer. Provisions prohibit official and unofficial contact unless doing so harms US interests. Of course, laws don’t deter actions, and these haven’t yet passed.

America’s 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act (TWEA) is still law. One of its provisions states that in times of war or national emergency, presidents may:

“investigate, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any acquisition, holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with respect to, or transactions involving, any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.”

In other words, TWEA authorizes sanctions to prohibit commerce and other relations with enemies. Nonetheless, during WW II, major US corporations traded freely with Nazi Germany. Roosevelt officials knew it. Charles Higham documented it in his book titled, “Trading with the Enemy.”

Among others, IBM, General Motors, Ford, DuPont, Standard Oil, Alcoa, Kodak, Coca-Cola, and Chase Bank (now JPMorgan Chase) traded with Nazi Germany during WW II – a real enemy, not a fabricated one like Iran.

Nonetheless, AIPAC’s web site headlines, “Back Tougher Iran Sanctions.” Three spurious “key points” were listed:

* Iran’s alleged low-enriched uranium stockpile to produce three nuclear bombs, and advanced centrifuge testing “to triple its production of higher enriched uranium;”

* sanctioning Iranian ports, airline, and energy sector applies extreme pressure and economic disruption; and

* despite unprecedented sanctions in place, Iran’s nuclear program continues.

Sanctions include travel restrictions, bans on selling electronic devices and related products, prohibiting or restricting trade with Iranian companies, embargoing its medical sector, and obstructing financial transactions. Some imposed hardships, others less so.

Energy starved nations value Iran’s oil and gas reserves. China, Russia and other nations maintain relations, mindful of why sanctions were imposed, by whom, and who supports them.

AIPAC is an unregistered foreign agent operating lawlessly. Representing Israel gives it virtual veto power over war and peace, trade and investment, multi-billion dollar arms sales, enormous Israeli handouts, and all Middle East policies affecting the Jewish state under Democrat and Republican administrations alike.

Political Washington to the highest levels, media scoundrels, and others bow deferentially to its demands, even those harming America. Imagine if AIPAC convinces Obama to attack Iran. Whether or not it’s coming isn’t known.

With no reliable evidence, spurious allegations say Iran carried out final critical stage nuclear weaponization experiments. Alleged explosions and computer simulations thereof were included.

US intelligence reports through early 2011 cite no evidence whatever of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. IAEA’s imminent one may spuriously claim one based on suppositions, not facts.

Along with previous and baseless charges, whether or not it provokes conflict later isn’t known. However, tensions will heighten further. Media scoundrels will regurgitate them. War drums will beat.

Attacking Iran is insane. Doing so will engulf the entire region. General war could follow with potentially grave consequences for all parties.

Anything’s possible, however, given Washington’s permanent war agenda and Israel’s penchant for it. Together with Britain and France, their belligerence threatens humanity.

Hopefully cooler heads will keep current actions from spinning out of control toward the abyss under conditions of all out war. The prospect should make all sides want it avoided at all costs. The alternative is too grim to allow.

Israeli Journalist Critical of His Government

Haaretz writer Gideon Levy discussed how “Insanity, not logic, guides Israel’s leadership,” saying:

Lunacy in Israel prevails. “(I)t is already as plain as day. Israel does not have rational leadership.” Its policies defy logic, including settlement construction on stolen Palestinian land, on and off wars, imprisoning Palestinians lawlessly, and continuing its occupation that decades ago lost all legitimacy.

Threatening war on Iran defies rationality. Nonetheless, “(t)he risks of an Israeli attack are clear, and they are horrific. The danger of Iran using a nuclear weapon is nil” even with one. “Israel is playing with the fires of hell.”

Israeli “megalomania” wants sole Middle East authority to “call the shots in the region as it sees fit. The mens’ men who are threatening Iran now are the real cowards’ cowards. The brave ones….are trying to thwart the insanity from former Mossad chief(s) Meir Dagan” and Ephraim Halevy, as well as “Interior Minister Eli Yishai.”

They may need lots of allies, other US, UK and French ones, and public support to prevent what no one knowing the risks wants. Further updates will follow future prospects.

A Final Comment

Late Sunday, AP headlined, “IAEA: Iran Had Model of Nuclear Warhead,” saying:

The IAEA “plans to reveal intelligence this week suggesting Iran made computer models of a nuclear warhead and other previously undisclosed details on alleged secret work by Tehran on nuclear arms.”

As explained above and in detail earlier, US intelligence reports through early 2011 confirm no evidence of Iranian nuclear weapons development.

Responding on Middle East Online, Farhad Pouladi headlined, “Iran to IAEA: Go Ahead and Publish ‘Counterfeit’ Report,’ ” saying:

Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Sahehi called IAEA claims “counterfeit,” adding its alleged “documents lack authenticity. We have said repeatedly that their documents are baseless. Iran’s nuclear issue (for IAEA) is not a technical or a legal issue but entirely a political one.”

Its allegations smack of earlier Iraqi WMD ones. In fact, they were baseless lies. IAEA’s Yukiya Amano serves Israeli and Western interests. Accept nothing he says at face value. Without evidence, what’s coming exposes duplicitous suspicions, not facts. Discount them entirely.

November 8th, 2011, 4:04 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Majedoglu
Let us live in 2011.Haj or Omra does not make you a good or a bad person.you know and I know that from the 3 millions standing on Arafat few days ago,you can be sure that many of them were liars,killers,criminals …etc.is throwing جمرات going to wipe out all their sins?if you say so.what makes you a good or bad person is your actions,all the other crap does not save you.Many Hajjis will be hanged upside down by god for all the bad stuff they have done during there life.As long as you (claiming to be a Dr)and has a brain which connects Syrian citizens values to such a stupid things,you can be sure that a country lead by brains similar to yours will be behind donkeys for centuries to come,which I think is the main purpose of this Donkeys Spring.

November 8th, 2011, 4:17 am

 

Revlon said:

159. Dear zoo,
Thank you for the link:
Turkey: We’ve intercepted 3 Syria-bound weapons shipments from Iran
07/11/2011
By Tha’ir Abbas
London, Asharq Al-Awsat
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27239

” The situations in Syria entered a new stage yesterday with signs of Arab-international-regional manoeuvrings emerging, which could lead to fundamental changes in the handling of the Syrian crisis.
Next to the extraordinary session that the Arab initiative committee will hold next Saturday to discuss the Syrian Government’s failure to implement its obligations which it accepted in the Arab action plan for resolving the Syrian crisis, sources in the Syrian opposition have disclosed they have received promises that the UN Security Council [UNSC] will hold a session after the Arab meeting to discuss a UN resolution to send international observers to Syria while Turkey has expressed its “readiness and ability” to establish a buffer zone on condition of getting an “Arab and international cover.”
END of quote
_________________________________________________________________

This news would indicate that the proactive, dynamic engagement of the SNC with events and their latest official communique to both the AL and UN are beginning to pay off!
http://www.facebook.com/TheSyrianNationalCouncil

Well done SNC!

November 8th, 2011, 4:20 am

 

ann said:

Will Freedom for Syria Mean Freedom for the Kurds? – 08/11/2011

http://www.rudaw.net/english/news/syria/4130.html

The Syrian National Council was recently founded as a step to bring the Syrian opposition under one umbrella. This council, however, resembles the pan-Arab movement and Kurds lack representation in this body thus far.

Some Kurdish political parties were hesitant about being involved in the opposition conferences, and some Arab opposition groups attempted to exclude influential Kurds in the council. These were both factors behind the total exclusion of Kurds.

The Kurds have been labeled by Arab activists and oppositions as not being actual partners in the movement for change, and that they are seeking to carry out some other agenda — despite the explicit participation of Syrian Kurds in the pro-democracy revolution in Syria.

The Turkish political strategy on Syria indicates that Kurds should expect many difficulties in the coming days. All of the Syrian opposition’s movements were under the shadow of Turkey, and the Turkish blessing followed the Syrian opposition’s initiatives to overthrow the Assad regime.

Real threats and fear of persecution of the Kurds loom over the post-regime era. The Kurdish political movement held The Kurdish National Conference in Syria on October 26. Kurdish politicians discussed and evaluated the Kurdish role in the anti-regime revolution, and reflected the level of Kurdish awareness about the threats they may face if pro-Arab politicians govern the country after the regime’s overthrow.

Kurds in Syria are facing two enemies: On the one hand, the Assad regime, which has suppressed the Kurds for decades; and on the other, the Arab opposition which is plotting against the Kurds by reaching understandings with Turkey to keep the Kurdish issue under control in the post-regime era.

November 8th, 2011, 4:25 am

 

Khalid Tlass said:

DARYLL said :

“This is a problem for everyone Norman not just Arab Christians as you put it. Where Islam becomes the majority, Islamic law will become law of the land and you will not be treated equal unless you join the club.”

If that was the case, how do you explain the numerous countries where Islam is the majority, but Islamic Law is not the aw of the land, like Jordan, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen….where in fact those who call for Islamic Law are thrown into prison. All these countries are SUNNI MUSLIM MAJORITY but if you asmuch as whisper about Shariaa, the Government will kick your arse.

November 8th, 2011, 4:42 am

 

ann said:

Gingrich’s Crusade: It’s not an ‘Arab Spring’, it’s ‘an anti-Christian Spring’

October 08, 2011

http://mideastposts.com/2011/11/08/newt-gingrichs-new-crusade-its-not-an-arab-spring-its-an-anti-christian-spring/

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Gingrich’s Crusade: It’s not an ‘Arab Spring’, it’s ‘an anti-Christian Spring’
Written by Juan Cole

Newt Gingrich’s poll numbers and fund-raising have improved recently, as the GOP faithful continue their quest for an ABM (not anti-ballistic missile but “Anyone but Mitt”).

Gingrich in turn has begun trying out talking points again, which is good for pundits and stand-up comedians, but bad for everyone else.

In his most recent foray on Middle East policy, Gingrich tried to depict the Arab Spring as bad for Middle East Christians.

Weirdly, he began his attack on the 2011 protest movements in the Middle East by lamenting that the number of Christians in Iraq has fallen from 1.2 million to 500,000. He observed, “This is why the current strategy in the Middle East is such a total grotesque failure…. People say, ‘Oh, isn’t this great, we’re having an Arab spring.’ Well, I don’t know, I think we may in fact be having an anti-Christian spring. I think people should take this pretty soberly.”

As anyone with a brain will note, the Bush administration invasion and occupation of Iraq, which Gingrich helped plan out while on the Defense Advisory Board, is what caused Christians to have to leave Iraq. Christians weren’t the only ones. Millions of Iraqis at one time or another fled to Jordan, Syria and elsewhere, because Gingrich’s Republican Party kicked off a civil war in that country by creating a power vacuum. In addition, anti-American guerrillas unfairly conflated Iraqi Christians with American ones, and so attacked the former. I suspect there were about 800,000 Christians in Iraq before the invasion, and that half fled, mostly to Aleppo in Syria or to Beirut.

The foreign military conquest and occupation of Iraq took place in 2003 and has nothing to do with the Arab Spring. (No one among the activists ever even mentioned Iraq, except as a negative example. “Let’s not do that, it is what the Americans did in Iraq.”)

But if one took seriously Gingrich’s implicit suggestion that US foreign policy should be about Middle Eastern Christians, what policies would that produce?

First of all, the Christians of Syria are mostly declining to actively support the protest movement against the Baathist government of Bashar al-Assad.

Yuhanna Ibrahim, archbishop of the Syriac Orthodox Church in Aleppo told the Beirut-based The Daily Star this summer:
“To be honest, everybody’s worried . . . We don’t want what happened in Iraq to happen in Syria. We don’t want the country to be divided. And we don’t want Christians to leave Syria.”

Christians make up about 10% of Syria’s 22 million population. The big Christian neighborhoods of Aleppo and Damascus have seen no demonstrations against the regime. This attitude comes from the Baath Party’s embrace of secular Arab nationalism. The Baath ideology was invented by Christians. In an ideal Baathist society, the important thing is that you are Arab or think of yourself as Arab, and what religion you follow is irrelevant.

A lot of Iraqi Christians had felt the same way, and the lesson they take away from the Iraq debacle is that horrible things happen when Washington decides to get rid of a Baathist government.

Many Syrian Christians are afraid that if Bashar al-Assad falls, he will be succeeded by a Muslim fundamentalist regime that will reduce them to second-class citizens or even persecute them. (To be fair, the Syrian protesters have called on the Christians to join them, so they don’t seem anti-Christian, and they say they want rights for all).

So Newt’s Middle East policy is presumably to support the Baathist government of Syria against its foes, right? Isn’t that what a Gingrich would conclude would be good for Syria’s Christians?

Nope, Gingrich is a hawk on Syria, praising Rick Santorum’s stance on this subject. But Santorum wants President Obama to wave a magic wand and make al-Assad vanish.

So I guess the Arab Spring being bad for Middle East Christians doesn’t shape Gingrich’s Syria policy? Gingrich wants to deliver the Syrian Christians into the uncertain hands of the revolutionaries? Maybe even– gasp — the Muslim Brotherhood?

Then there are significant Christian Palestinian populations. Is Newt going to support these countrymen of Jesus of Nazareth against the Israeli settlers who are stealing their land and water?

Nope.

And what if it can be demonstrated that the attack on the Copts protesting in front of Cairo’s television station was orchestrated from behind the scenes by elements in the military government? Would Newt suddenly support the New Left organizations such as April 6 that are calling for the military to step down and go back to the barracks, and who have sponsored Christian-Muslim solidarity marches?

Nope.

Moreover, it seems likely that the Muslim Brotherhood will do well in the forthcoming parliamentary elections and will be in a ruling coalition. Since Gingrich considers the MB little short of Satan, how would a President Newt even be able to do Egypt policy? Is he just going to blow off the most populous and important country in the Middle East?

Middle Eastern Christians deserve a decent life and human rights like everyone else. But Gingrich is being silly if he advocates putting their interests first in US Middle East policy. There aren’t that many of them The largest group is the Egyptian Copts at 8 million or so. Less than a million left in Lebanon. About a million Palestinians. Some 2 million in Syria. Less than half a million in Iraq. Maybe 200,000 in Iran. And that is just about it– their numbers everywhere else are miniscule. They aren’t even big proportions of the countries where they reside. Less than 13 million in a region of about 420 million people (the Arab world plus Turkey and Iran).

Great Powers don’t behave the way that Gingrich is suggesting. They pursue their interests. Gingrich is only even bringing up Middle Eastern Christians as a ploy to get a hearing among evangelicals, who don’t mostly much care for his two divorces (not sure if they hold his recent embrace of Catholicism against him).

And Gingrich is wallowing in such bad faith that he doesn’t even take seriously his own policy, otherwise his attitudes toward Syria and Palestine would be completely different.

The irony is that most US evangelicals have never demonstrated the slightest interest in the welfare of Middle Eastern Christians, much preferring to support the Israelis. So Gingrich’s confused and hypocritical talking point probably wouldn’t even get him anywhere with them.

November 8th, 2011, 4:43 am

 

Areal said:

60. Ya Mara Ghalba said:

Meanwhile, no news at SANA today about civilized institutional reform.

REALITY of civilized reform

Assistant Interior Minister: Citizens Who Didn’t Receive Election Card Can Get One from Any Civil Records Secretariat

Nov 05, 2011

HAMA, (SANA) – Assistant Minister of Interior for Civil Affairs Lt. Gen. Hasan Jalali affirmed on Sunday that election cards will continue to be provided to eligible citizens up to the days of local administration and People’s Assembly elections.

During a tour of the Civil Affairs Directorate in the city of HAMA, Jalali said that anyone can receive an election card can get one from any of the 268 civil records secretariats across the country regardless of where their personal records are, adding that the process is free and requires only the ID card and a personal photograph.

He pointed out that out of the 14.5 million eligible voters in Syria, 8.5 received elections cards.

Al-Jalali added that after the elections a smart card with an electronic chip will be issued, and that this card will be used for various fields including elections, health insurance, social security, retirement and more.

He also noted that those who get an election card in an illegal manner or produces more than one for the purpose of tampering face penalties ranging from fines of SYP 5,000 to 10,000 and imprisonment.

November 8th, 2011, 4:51 am

 

Areal said:

123. Ghufran said:

Syriatel,the cash cow
ويلاحظ تراجع الأرباح خلال الأشهر الثلاثة الأخيرة من 2.326 مليارات ليرة خلال أشهر( نيسان – أيار – حزيران) إلى 1.546 مليارات ليرة عن أشهر (تموز – آب – أيلول) بانخفاض 780 مليون ليرة سورية، وبنسبة انخفاض 33% عن الأشهر الثلاثة التي سبقتها من العام نفسه.

REALITY
A 33% decrease of profits ( revenues ? ) over a year ago is a good indicator of the economic disaster induced by the opposition armed turmoil.

November 8th, 2011, 5:35 am

 

ann said:

No closer to a solution

Nov 8th 2011, 10:32 by The Economist online | DAMASCUS

http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2011/11/syrias-uprising

EID AL-ADHA, the Islamic festival commemorating Abraham’s readiness to sacrifice his son, has been bloodier than usual in Syria. This year, eight months into an uprising against the regime of President Bashar Assad, more than twenty people were killed on Sunday November 6th, the first day of the holiday. After an assault by government forces, the authorities are taking control of Bar Amr, a neighbourhood of Homs where defectors had put up stiff resistance to regime forces. Those in the area describe it as a “humanitarian disaster zone”.

Last week Syrian and Arab officials announced that Syria had agreed to an Arab League initiative to end the violence. This included pulling the army and security forces out of residential areas, allowing League representatives and foreign media into the country, releasing detainees and opening some kind of dialogue with the opposition within 15 days.

Hopes were not high from the outset. The Syrian regime has shown little interest in a political solution until now. As the killings and arrests continue, those hopes are falling still further. The largely toothless group of 22 Arab states has tried to bridge the widening gap between the regime and its opponents to end the violence in the past, to no avail. The latest plan leaves many questions unanswered, not least how it will be implemented and monitored. But with the costs of the conflict rising for both sides, Syrians on all sides of the political spectrum saw the initiative as a last chance at a political exit.

“We need to say ok to it and put the ball in the regime’s court,” says one of the few veteran dissidents left in Damascus. “No-one in the opposition really believes it will work, but if not, we are being left with one scenario only—an armed struggle.”

Some civilians now are buying weapons and being trained by defectors from the army. Violence is spreading from Homs, the city that has become the heart of the uprising, and Idleb province, in the north-west, to restless towns around Damascus and Hama. Meanwhile, protesters are getting frustrated with the Syrian National Council. The umbrella opposition group, whose head, a professor in France Burhan Ghalioun, gave his first address on the eve of Eid, has yet to show any guidance or address the increased violence perpetrated by defectors and the few civilians now fighting. Protesters are increasingly calling for international help, seeing no other solution to their predicament.

“It looks like we now are on the verge of a paradigm change,” says Peter Harling of the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based lobby. “If protesters feel there is no other option, they may resort to weapons, which would blur the lines and reinforce the regime’s narrative, based on labelling the protest movement an insurgency.” That seems ever more probable as time goes on.

Syria-watchers say the regime feels increasingly confident at home, but is concerned by external pressure. Mr Assad and his allies may not have much to fear, however. The Arab League is holding an emergency meeting on Saturday. Some think that the failure of the League’s initiative may force Russia and China to abstain in a UN Security Council vote. But with opposition to any decisive action strong within both the League and the UN, nothing more than feeble condemnation is likely.

November 8th, 2011, 5:47 am

 

ann said:

NATO, U.S. don’t plan military intervention in Syria

November 8, 2011

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/83146/NATO_US_dont_plan_military_intervention_in_Syria

PanARMENIAN.Net – The top U.S. official at NATO said Monday, November 7, that there is zero planning – or even thinking – going on about a military intervention in Syria.

“There has been no planning, no thought, and no discussion about any intervention into Syria. It just isn’t part of the envelope of thinking, among individual countries and certainly among the 28 [full NATO members],” said Ivo Daalder, the U.S. ambassador to NATO. “If things change, things change. But as of today, that’s where the reality stands.”

Daalder said that there were three overarching conditions that need to be met before the Obama administration would even consider any future military intervention such as occurred in Libya.

“The formula was that there needs to be a demonstrable need, regional support, and sound legal basis for action,” said Daalder. “It’s those three things we need to look for before we even think about the possibility of action. None of them apply in Syria.”

Daalder also noted that there is not enough evidence that air strikes would be effective in Syria, that the opposition and the Arab League have not asked for intervention, and that the UN Security Council has refused to act, ForeignPolicy reports.

November 8th, 2011, 5:56 am

 

ann said:

Managing Public Perception – Psywar

The real battlefield is your mind

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26430.htm

November 8th, 2011, 6:03 am

 

Areal said:

147. jad said:

This French dude is obsessed with Syria:

اعلن وزير الخارجية الفرنسي آلان جوبيه عن نية بلاده التشاور مع حلفائها في مجلس الأمن الدولي حول مطالبة المعارضة السورية بتوفير حماية دولية لسكان مدينة حمص.

REALITY
Elections 2012.
Rich “Lebanese” and Co. sponsors welcome.

November 8th, 2011, 6:06 am

 

ann said:

In Arab Spring speech, Clinton defends U.S. stance on Syria, Bahrain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-defends-us-stance-on-syria-bahrain/2011/11/07/gIQAsAJ9xM_story.html

The Obama administration’s decision to not intervene in Syria and Bahrain stems from a variety of factors, including the perceived risk to U.S. forces, the imperatives of the fight against al-Qaeda, and the need to defend American allies and to keep foreign oil supplies flowing, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday night.

“Situations vary dramatically from country to country,” Clinton said in a speech to the National Democratic Institute in Washington, according to her prepared remarks. “It would be foolish to take a one-size-fits-all approach and barrel forward regardless of circumstances on the ground.”

“We’ll always have to walk and chew gum at the same time,” she said.

Clinton said the United States would continue to support transitions to democracy. But it was fair to ask, she said, “Why does America promote democracy one way in some countries and another way in others?”

The administration’s Middle East policy has been criticized as inconsistent and sometimes timid. Republicans have blasted President Obama for what they have portrayed as “leading from behind” in Libya. Many Arabs, meanwhile, have questioned why the United States has called for the resignation of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, after months of violent attacks against anti-government demonstrators, while adopting a more measured tone about government repression in Bahrain, a U.S. ally that hosts the Navy’s 5th Fleet.

Clinton said Monday that the U.S. decision to participate in a seven-month air campaign in Libya that decimated Moammar Gaddafi’s military was made because dozens of NATO and Arab countries banded together “to protect civilians and help people liberate their country without a single American life lost.”

“In other cases,” she said, “to achieve that same goal, we would have to act alone, at a much greater cost, with far greater risks and perhaps even with troops on the ground.”

In Syria, where Assad has sent security forces to fire on demonstrators and ignored calls from the United States and other nations to step down, the Obama administration has resisted calls for direct intervention.

“Our choices also reflect other interests in the region with a real impact on Americans’ lives — including our fight against al-Qaeda; defense of our allies; and a secure supply of energy,” Clinton said. “There will be times when not all of our interests align . . . that is just reality,” she said.

“That is our challenge in a country like Bahrain,” she said. There, the ruling monarchy has cracked down on Shiite protesters who it says are promoted by Iran.

Both she and Obama, Clinton said, have reiterated that “mass arrests and brute force are at odds with the universal rights of Bahrain’s citizens and will not make legitimate calls for reform go away.”

In neighboring Saudi Arabia, one of the world’s largest oil producers and a key counterterrorism ally, “we have had candid conversations . . . about our view that democratic advancement is not just possible but a necessary part of preparing for the future,” she said.

In Tunisia, where the Arab Spring began late last year and an Islamist party recently won elections, “what parties call themselves is less important than what they do,” Clinton said.

November 8th, 2011, 6:12 am

 

ann said:

Syrian envoy to Arab League condemns Arabi’s statements on Syria

November 8, 2011

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=330097

Syria’s Permanent Representative to the Arab League and Ambassador to Egypt Youssef Ahmad expressed on Sunday surprise at the Arab League Secretary General Nabil al-Arabi and his deputy Ahmad bin Helli’s statements on Syria.

“The Arab League Secretariat is supposed to play its role in coordinating between the Syrian government and the ministerial committee, not proclaim itself a party against the Syrian government,” Ahmad said in an interview with the Syrian TV.

The Arab League on Sunday called an emergency meeting to be held next Saturday on Syria’s failure to stand by the roadmap to end violence.

”Has the Arab League Secretary General and his deputy fallen into the double standard policies called ‘defending human rights in one place and turning a blind eye to them in another?’” Ahmad inquired, according to the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) .

He noted that “the Syrian government has provided the Arab League Secretariat with all information on the terrorist attacks on civilians and security forces.”

Ahmad also said that the Syrian government has allowed a group of foreign journalists into the country “to see the reality on the ground.”

November 8th, 2011, 6:18 am

 

Darryl said:

179. KHALID TLASS said:

“If that was the case, how do you explain the numerous countries where Islam is the majority, but Islamic Law is not the aw of the land, like Jordan, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen….where in fact those who call for Islamic Law are thrown into prison. All these countries are SUNNI MUSLIM MAJORITY but if you asmuch as whisper about Shariaa, the Government will kick your arse.”

Dear Khalid, welcome back from the abyss that you were thrown into earlier. See I forgive you and still like you as a friend, you are honest.

You have answered the question yourself. There are some leaders who are still open minded and have big enough balls to:

“if you asmuch as whisper about Shariaa, the Government will kick your arse”

November 8th, 2011, 6:40 am

 

Areal said:

FICTION of arithmetic propaganda

173. majedkhaldoun said:
remeber that Adenauer of Germany was 88 when he became PM of Germany

REALITY of arithmetic : 1949 – 1876 = 73 ;1963 – 1876 = 87

Konrad Adenauer ;( 5 January 1876 – 19 April 1967) was a German statesman He was the first chancellor (head of government) of the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG, called West Germany), 1949–63.

November 8th, 2011, 6:45 am

 

Revlon said:

More calls for intervention to rescue the people of the city of Homs from regiome barbaric onslaught.
_______________________________________________________________
بيان صادر عن رابطة العلماء السوريين حول ما تتعرض له مدينة حمص والمدن السورية الأخرى
تاريخ النشر: الثلاثاء 13 ذو الحجة 1432هـ – 08 نوفمبر 2011 عدد القراءات: 159
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
بيان صادر عن رابطة العلماء السوريين
حول ما تتعرض له مدينة حمص والمدن السورية الأخرى
Communique of the Syrian Muslem Scolars on the ongoing crackdown in Homs and other cities in Syria
http://www.islamsyria.com/article.php?action=details&AID=2185
08/11/2011

إنَّ رابطة العلماء السوريين تتابع ما يجري بمدينة حمص خاصة، وباقي المدن السورية بعامة ببالغ الأسى والاستنكار، لما يقوم به الجيش والعناصر المسلحة التابعة له التي تستبيح مدينة حمص بعد قصف استمر لمدة ستة أيام متتالية، حيث أصبحت أعداد الشهداء مكدسة في المستشفيات الشوارع العامة!!، وأعداد لا حصر لها من الجرحى!!، لا يجرؤ أحد على إسعافهم، و قد أعلنت تنسيقيات الداخل والمجلس الوطني السوري أن مدينة حمص مدينة منكوبة.

وتناشد رابطة العلماء السوريين الجامعة العربية ومنظمة التعاون الإسلامي والمنظمات الإنسانية العالمية والمجتمع الدولي وضمير كل الأحرار في العالم الوقوف بجانب الشعب السوري الذي يواجه حملة عسكرية ظالمة، يقودها النظام المستبد ضد المحتجين السلميين المطالبين بالحرية والكرامة ورفض الظلم والفساد.

كما تناشد رابطة العلماء جامعة الدول العربية التي تعطي النظام فرصة بعد أخرى ليمارس مزيداً من القمع والقتل ضد شعبنا السوري وتطالب بأن تكون أكثر جدية وتفاعلا مع ما يعانيه أبناء هذا الوطن و تعمل على إيقاف آلة الحرب والقتل التي يستخدمها النظام الغاشم.

إنَّ رابطة العلماء السوريين تُحَمِّل الجامعة العربية ومنظمة التعاون الإسلامي والمنظمات الإنسانية والمجتمع الدولي كافة المسؤولية لما يجري على الأرض السورية من قتل، وحصار، واقتحام، ودك للمنازل بالأسلحة الثقيلة، وانتهاك للحرمات.

ولن ينسى التاريخ، ولن يمحى من ذاكرة الشعوب هذا التخاذل والتفريط بحق أبناء شعبنا السوري المقهور!! ( وَاللَّهُ غَالِبٌ عَلَى أَمْرِهِ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ ) والله خير الناصرين.

رابطة العلماء السوريين

11/12/1432هـ

8/11/2011م

November 8th, 2011, 7:00 am

 

Tara said:

Bronco

You obviously think that Bashar is the best leader in the ME. Perhaps in its entire history. Let me take this a step further. Is Bashar the best leader in the whole world too? Reading your analysis from last night prompts me to think that in your eyes there is no one match his attributes in the whole world. No one is as good. Who is better than him? After all he withstood the western pressure and he opened the economy . Am I mistaken? Just think about it..

Bourhan Ghalioun should be the next interim president of Syria until democratic institutions and free judiciary are established that should culminate into free parliamentary and presidential elections. The attempt to shed negative light on him being puppet or MB are smear campaign, nothing more. The man credentials are impeccable until proven otherwise. The fact that he is a French citizen is irrelevant at this point.

November 8th, 2011, 7:05 am

 

Revlon said:

المجلس الوطني السوري
إعلام و صحافة دولية

واشنطن: دمشق بدأت تشعر بالعقوبات
Damascus has started to feel the pinch of US and EU sanctions
08/11/2011
http://www.facebook.com/TheSyrianNationalCouncil

اعتبرت الولايات المتحدة أن النظام السوري بدأ يشعر بتأثير العقوبات الأميركية والأوروبية المفروضة عليه بسبب ما وصفته بقمعه الدموي، في وقت استبعد فيه وزير الخارجية البريطاني وليام هيغ خيار التدخل العسكري، مفضلا عليه تعزيز الضغوط الدولية على النظام ليوقف قمعه الدامي للمظاهرات.

وقالت المتحدثة باسم وزارة الخارجية فيكتوريا نولاند “تلقينا معلومات وتقارير من السفارة الأميركية حول تأثير العقوبات على الوضع المالي للنظام السوري، مشيرة في الوقت نفسه إلى أن عدد الضباط الفارين من الجيش السوري في ازدياد.

وأضافت أن الهدف الأساسي من العقوبات هو وقف تدفق الأموال التي يستعملها النظام لتمويل تمرده المسلح على شعبه، مشيرة إلى أن الهدف كذلك هو جعل الذين يواصلون دعم الأسد وتكتيكه يفكرون مرتين إن كانوا في الجانب الصحيح من التاريخ في سوريا.

وأوضحت أنه إذا كانت العقوبات قد بدأت تؤثر على النظام، فإن الولايات المتحدة وأوروبا تنتظران دائما انضمام المزيد من الدول إلى الضغوط التي يفرضونها على سوريا.

وحثت المتحدثة الأميركية الدول التي تواصل بيع أسلحة لسوريا على وقف ذلك لأنها تستعمله ضد شعبها، واعتبرت أن قمع المحتجين “تحركات يائسة ينفذها نظام يائس”.
(الجزيرة )

November 8th, 2011, 7:21 am

 

bronco said:

#192 Tara

Thank you for distorting and exagerating my comments. I thought I am making myself clear and you keep coming back with caricature of what I said. Either I express myself badly or you want to read it with your prism.
In any case there is no point in continuing on this line of communication. From now on I would refrain of expressing my opinion about Bashar al Assad anymore, even if you keep pressing me as you constantly do.

Let Ghalioun or another of your favorites brilliant expats take over the country and they will do much better, for sure.

November 8th, 2011, 7:31 am

 

mjabali said:

The situation in Syria and the Middle East in general is seriously BAD. A Huge war/civil wars are on the horizon and it may blowout any day now.

Syria: Syria IS having a civil war and it will grow no matter what. The Arab League fiasco was, as usual, a waste of time. The government is intent on crushing people and some opposing elements are hell bent and want to bring the government down by force and through the use of military actions. These elements soon are going to be funded by outsiders, if not already. Thousands of Syrians died already and many thousands are on the way. Who is going to stop this bloodshed? So far I have seen NO one able to control the streets of Syria. The only thing I see everyday is cutting heads and armored vehicles shooting and of course agitators from all sides.

Iraq: the Us army is leaving setting up the stage for another civil war. The Sunnis are intent on causing trouble and the Shia are going to grow no matter what setting the stage for the confrontation. al-Qaida is there and still going strong (read NYT front page article yesterday for this matter). Remember, for a king like that of Saudia Arabia (Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrin also) it is a winning sale if he channels his disgruntled youth against the infidel Shia, so he could stay on the throne while his brothers and their kids loot the hell out of the country, like they had been doing since day one. They own that farm and to send their chickens fight in another land is a nice way to get rid of those sick chickens.

Israel: Now, and to escape political turmoil, the PM wants to bomb Iran contrary to what all the experts in Israel are saying, which means this area is going to witness war. War is coming there too.

Turkey: Turkey is trying to pose as a power. But, it does not see well what constitutes real danger to their state as a whole. It is a state based on many opposing elements put together by force. But now, Turkey does not calculate enough that Iran and the Kurds are going to cause so much trouble especially with the Kurds’ growing independence aspiration and the Iranian strategic interest and survival mode when they are in danger and under attack. Attacking Iran is going to bring trouble for the whole area on the foreseeable future. The civil war taking place in Syria is taking its toll on Turkey slowly and dragging Iran and Israel into the foray. Turkey has lost Israel as an ally by the election of the MB Erdugan and Co, who of course had some day dreams of the Sunni Caliphate. The US is banking on this model of moderate Islam in Turkey, but, what is missing from this logic is the FACT that the moderate form of Islam they are talking about here has brought nothing moderate to many elements of the Turkish population: The Kurds are still thought of as Turks and subjects of the Turkish state, and of course the Alevis and Alawis are not to be talked about or given any form to speak or appear, like the Christians of course (What happened to the millions of Christians that lived in Turkey? How many cities had Christian majority through out history from what is called today Turkey? What happened to those?) Now, with the spread of a more conservative form of Islam in the whole area, the moderate form is going away day after day. There is no moderate form of Islam we could see today among most Muslims (Sunnis and Shia)

Lebanon: Has the Salafis of Trablus and Hizballah, plus the Palestinians of the camps and of course the spark is coming, and the confrontation is coming.

Jordan: Trying to manipulate the situation as always but this time the crisis may be too big for the King who already is having challenges from his people who openly smashed the fear factor. A civil war in Syria might had been good for the ruler of Jordan in the past but this time it is different. The funny point is that the King of Jordan may not have enough soldiers to protect him since they are RENTED as mercenaries all over the world. Who would have thought that Blackwater is fighting for chunks of the market against Harley Davidson riding kings from the Third World?

The USA, FRANCE, SAUDIA ARABI, QATAR : NO time for comment on these states and their role into fostering this violence and of course their inability, lack of knowledge, obvious BAD planning, and unwillingness to stop this violence.

November 8th, 2011, 7:34 am

 

irritated said:

#187 Ann

Hillary is having “candid conversations” with the Saudi about
‘democracy’, while chewing her chewing gum.

November 8th, 2011, 7:35 am

 

Tara said:

Bronco

Not my intention to distort or exaggerate. Truly! I asked you an honest question interested in an honest answer. Not my intention to “bully” you of not expressing an opinion about Bashar. I am sorry if I sounded otherwise.. May be you are not making yourself clear or may be I am not that smart to understand from the first time.

November 8th, 2011, 7:38 am

 

bronco said:

#173. majedkhaldoun

For a country where 60& are less than 25 years old, I am not sure a “jeddo” president of 80 years would understand their aspirations and will be dynamic enough.

If we look around, except for the Saudis who have a preference for decrepit and sick leaders, most Arab leaders and world leaders are relatively healthy and young.

November 8th, 2011, 7:59 am

 
 

Observer said:

Once again the response that my comment elicited is emotional. I would ask the question again; if you were to ask the Kurds of the region would they rather be a single entity or remain as part and parcel of their respective present countries? What do you think the answer will be. They suffered under the ill fated policies of the Baath in both Syria and Iraq and suffered under the rule of the generals in Turkey and suffered under the rule of the Iranian theocracy.

If you ask the Alawi community whether they would like to remain part and parcel of Syria or remain on top of every other sect they will certainly not wish to give up power so easily and in a democratic Syria they will be a minority especially if the idea of citizenship does not transcend the sectarian identity. It is clear that they do not wish for a democracy unless and until the sectarian divide is healed. This is the same sentiment of the Christian community who welcomed the invasion of iraq and many of them went on to work as advisors and translators in the provisional authority with their naive hope that Iraq will modeled into a Western like protectorate only to have the full sectarian ugly civil war explode in their face not only in Iraq but across the ME. They clearly do not wish to stay in a system where majority rule is not in their hands and/or without guarantees to their particular sect. They all call for a secular state while insisting on retaining their sectarian identity.

Ask the Maronite community if they wish to remain part and parcel of Lebanon where they have nothing in common with the Shia or other sects. The country was created to serve them and they discovered that the birth rate of the poor and neglected Shia can have political consequences. Now they claim they are Phoenicians and not even Arab even though the Arab revolt started with many a Christian in Syria and Lebanon asking for independence. I know it for my ancestor was hanged by the Turks on May 6th 1916 for that reason.

He and the other martyrs are considered heroes and yet they asked and allied with the Anglo French forces to oust the Turks and like many stupid and naive patriots forgot that powers have interests and not friends. Just like those that believe that Russia and China are friends of Syria and forget that these countries will sell Betho in a minute for their interests. Just like the opposition who is aware that there is an interest in Syria remaining an ally of the status quo with regard to Israel.

Wake up and smell the roses the regime is finished and even if Betho remains as the head he will be the head of a rump stupid state with North Korea style of leadership.

November 8th, 2011, 8:06 am

 

zoo said:

Arming Syria’s rebels: (The pitfalls)

This is a guest post from Idean Salehyan, Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of North Texas and the author of Rebels Without Borders: Transnational Insurgencies in World Politics (Cornell Univ. Press, 2009).

http://duckofminerva.blogspot.com/2011/11/arming-syrias-rebels.html

Reports have emerged that Turkey is supporting a group of military defectors from Syria, which have organized under the name, the ‘Free Syrian Army’ or FSA. Led by Riyad al-Asad, a former Colonel in Bashar Assad’s army, this group claims to have inflicted a series of impressive attacks against regime forces. Although the extent of Turkish involvement is still unclear, providing sanctuary to the FSA is seen by many as an attractive way to tighten the screws on an increasingly brutal and unpopular regime.

Indeed, in a recent editorial the Wall Street Journal (“Turkey Turns on Assad, ” October 31), makes a strong case for supporting the FSA. It argues that the United States should begin by giving the FSA “diplomatic and non-military support,” but that “arms shouldn’t be ruled out”. In the coming weeks and months, such voices are likely to become more numerous as the international community seeks a solution to the current impasse.

Diplomatic pressure and sanctions on Damascus do not appear to be working, as Assad’s ruthless suppression of peaceful demonstrators continues. However, supporting an armed opposition group would open a new—and potentially disastrous—phase in the uprising. The United States and Turkey must carefully consider what such a step may mean for the Syrian opposition and for the region as a whole. This would not be the first time the US has supported cross-border militant groups—the Nicaraguan Contras operated from bases in Honduras and the Afghan Mujahedin operated from inside Pakistan. Current research on transnational rebel organizations and externally-sponsored militant groups suggests that Turkey may be in for a long insurgency and a regional war.

First, foreign-backed opposition groups can quickly lose legitimacy at home. Assad would love to portray the Syrian opposition as agents of a foreign power. As disingenuous as this tactic may be, a sense of external threat is likely to cause those on the fence to rally behind the leader to confront a common enemy. Attacks on peaceful, unarmed protestors have eroded Assad’s popularity at home and abroad; confronted with this brutality, regime supporters must stop to question their own loyalties. An armed, US/Turkey-backed militant group is much easier to portray as illegitimate, power-hungry, and part of a Western conspiracy. One reason for the success in Libya is that the US steered clear of the Transitional National Council until relatively late in the rebellion. Hastily recognizing the opposition could cause it to lose credibility in the eyes of many Syrians

Second, as unpopular as the Syrian regime is, the strategic decision to relocate to Turkey reveals the Free Syrian Army’s relative weakness. Rebels in Libya were able to secure domestic strongholds in the east early on, while they advanced toward the capital city-by-city. By contrast, Syrian dissidents have been unable to find a permanent, domestic base of operations free from government control. With an external sanctuary the FSA is much less likely to be defeated militarily, but this does not necessarily mean a swift rebel victory. Instead, cross-border groups often fight bloody, protracted insurgencies which end in a stalemate. The Afghan/Pakistan conflict nexus offers just one such example.

Third, foreign backing of rebel organizations is an indirect means of prosecuting an international war. These indirect means tend to escalate to more direct confrontations. If Turkey backs the FSA, Syria is likely to retaliate by opening up its territory to Turkey’s Kurdish rebels as it had in the past. Turkey has it bad enough with the Kurdish Worker’s Party (the PKK) ensconced in Northern Iraq; it has not been able to defeat the group despite decades of trying. Cross-border attacks and raids by proxy forces, along with mutual recriminations, often escalate to more severe international conflagrations.

Wanting to ‘do something’ is understandable. But the track-record of funding rebel groups and transnational dissidents is cause for caution. It will take much more than funneling arms and money to a relatively obscure rebel group to oust Assad from power. The first principle in dealing with Syria should be to ‘do no harm.’ Arming the opposition does not appear to satisfy that criterion.

As the Syrian regime fails to bend under international pressure, debates about the appropriate next-step will continue. All options should be on the table in dealing with Assad’s brutality. If attacks on civilians intensify, the international community has a responsibility to protect innocent civilians with all appropriate means, including armed intervention as a last resort. However, before agreeing to back armed militants, all stakeholders should stop to carefully consider the likelihood of success versus yet another front in the Middle East quagmire.

This is a guest post from Idean Salehyan, Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of North Texas and the author of Rebels Without Borders: Transnational Insurgencies in World Politics (Cornell Univ. Press, 2009).

November 8th, 2011, 8:10 am

 

Areal said:

193. Revlon said:

المجلس الوطني السوري
إعلام و صحافة دولية

واشنطن: دمشق بدأت تشعر بالعقوبات
Damascus has started to feel the pinch of US and EU sanctions
08/11/2011
http://www.facebook.com/TheSyrianNationalCouncil

REALITY

The people in Syria has more and more difficulties to make a living than a year ago thanks to the “wise” SNC calling for sanctions and armed gangs.

November 8th, 2011, 8:12 am

 

Revlon said:

Saleh Alqallab:
– The syrian Regime has been crying a conspiracy wolf for over 8 months; Guess what! A pac of wolves are closing in!!
– The Arab league is close to suspending membership of the Syrian Regime, by majority vote.
– The SC is expected to pass an international resolution to intervene for the protection of civilians
– Turkey awits the AL and SC cover to implement the planned, 5km-deep no-fly-zone.

بانوراما 07-11-2011

November 8th, 2011, 8:38 am

 

Revlon said:

Recognize the Syrian National Council. | The White House
wwws.whitehouse.gov
As the Syrian regime continue in defiance of the free world and Syrian peaceful protesters when they all in one voice demanded Assad to stop violating its people’s human rights and step down immediately. We call on the Obama administration to rally

November 8th, 2011, 9:00 am

 

irritated said:

Revlon #203

– As usual, wolves gangs end up by eating each other
– During the years 1979-1989, Egypt was suspended from the Arab League, so what?
– Young Sunni Turks, French blue berets or Qatari white dishdashas to protect the ‘peaceful armed protesters’?
– No-Fly-zone for which planes?
– Buffer zone with Turkey: To get rid of the annoying ‘guests’ in Hatay camp or another Iskenderun in mind?

November 8th, 2011, 9:00 am

 

AREAL said:

Syrian capital flight intensifies – FT.com

Money has been streaming out of Syria as fears for the unstable economy lead Syrians to seek a safer place for their assets, according to members of the country’s business community.

Cash is being smuggled over the border to Lebanon “every day, every hour,” said one Syrian businessman, while another claimed Syrian money is being stashed in the grey economy that has long existed between the two countries.

In what many see as an example of the cross-border transfer, Syrian state news reported last month that officials had intercepted over $100,000 worth of Syrian pounds being smuggled across the Lebanese border under the seat of a car.

REALITY

Oct 24, 2011

DAMASCUS, (SANA)- The Customs authorities confiscated on Saturday a Kia Cerato car carrying amounts of currency of different types set to be smuggled into Lebanon through al-Jdeida border crossing point.

A source at the General Directorate of Customs said in a statement to SANA the confiscation was carried out after receiving information about the car, adding that “upon searching the car, a secret hiding place was found in the back seat containing an amount of money wrapped in nylon.”

http://www.sana.sy/eng/160/2011/10/24/377371.htm

The source said the bundles, which were opened by a special committee from the Customs Directorate, were found to include 6050 pieces of SYP 1000 banknotes, 300 pieces of Saudi Riyal (SAR) 500 banknotes, 33 pieces of USD 50 banknotes and a Jordanian Dinar (JOD).

The total amount of confiscated money was estimated at SYP 8,135 million

NOTE:

The majority of the money is Syrian Pounds ( 6.050.000 SYP) which are not freely convertible outside Syria.
The settlement is Saudi Riyals .

Very curious story !!

It seems more to be the remnants of a foreign terrorist investment in Syria.

November 8th, 2011, 9:08 am

 

Tara said:

Any update on Bab Amro? And Homs?

November 8th, 2011, 9:13 am

 

Revlon said:

Intense, proactive diplomacy to rally AL and Arab support for applying sanctions and severing ties with the Syrian regime
_______________________________________________________________
Syrian National Council المجلس الوطني السوري

المجلس الوطني السوري يبدأ تحركا واسعا سعياً لإصدار موقف قوي من الجامعة العربية

بدأ المجلس الوطني السوري تحركاً سياسياً واسعاً بهدف حث الدول الأعضاء في الجامعة العربية على اتخاذ موقف جدي وفاعل ضد النظام السوري بما يتناسب مع التطور الخطير للأوضاع داخل سورية، وخاصة في مدينة حمص البطلة.

وناقش المكتب التنفيذي للمجلس خطة التحرك التي تشمل القيام بزيارات مستعجلة إلى كل من الجزائر والسودان وسلطنة عمان وقطر، والاتصال بعدد من وزراء الخارجية العرب، بضمنهم وزراء خارجية السعودية والعراق والأردن والإمارات وليبيا والكويت بهدف إطلاعهم على الجرائم المروعة التي يرتكبها النظام في مدينة حمص وعدد من المناطق التي تتعرض لاجياحات عسكرية واسعة النظاق.

ومن المقرر أن يزور وفد من المكتب التنفيذي الأمانة العامة لجامعة الدول العربية للاجتماع إلى عدد من وزراء الخارجية وممثلي الوفود العربية على هامش اجتماع اللجنة الوزارية العربية مساء الجمعة (11/2011)، واجتماع المجلس الوزاري العربي يوم السبت
(11/12)

لنقل مطالب الشعب السوري إليهم، والتي تتضمن:
1) تجميد عضوية النظام السوري في الجامعة العربية.
2) فرض عقوبات اقتصادية ودبلوماسية من قبل الدول الأعضاء على النظام السوري.
3) نقل ملف انتهاكات حقوق الإنسان وجرائم الإبادة إلى محكمة الجنايات الدولية.
4) دعم الجهد الأممي الرامي إلى تأمين الحماية الدولية للمدنيين السوريين وخاصة في حمص وإرسال مراقبين دوليين والسماح لممثلي وسائل الإعلام والمنظمات الدولية بالدخول إلى سورية بكل حرية.
5) الاعتراف بالمجلس الوطني السوري ممثلاً شرعياً للثورة والشعب في سورية.

وعلم من مصادر مطلعة أن دول الخليج العربية تقود تحركاً دبلوماسياً يهدف إلى تضييق الخناق على النظام السوري، وتحظى تلك الجهود بدعم قوي من لدن عدد من الدول العربية الي تعتقد أن النظام السوري استنفد كافة الفرص التي منحت له، وأنه لم يعد هناك من خيار سوى نقل ملفه إلى مجلس الأمن الدولي لاتخاذ إجراءات أكثر صرامة.
7 hours ago

November 8th, 2011, 9:13 am

 

Revlon said:

Fadwa Sleiman, activist and Artist speaks from AlBayadah, Homs
to AlJazeera
07/11/2011

November 8th, 2011, 9:19 am

 

Revlon said:

A collection of field Shabbeeha close-up photos, for future arrest warrants!!
Compiled by AlQaboon Coordiantion Committee

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.161179167311716.35093.131024913660475&type=3

November 8th, 2011, 9:29 am

 

Revlon said:

Asad army forces in residential neighbourhood of Inshaat, Homs, Syria, today.
08/11/2011

انتشار شبيحة الاسد في شارع البرازيل 8-11-2011 – سوريا – أموي

November 8th, 2011, 9:40 am

 

Revlon said:

Scores of Asad armed forces strom a school and break down its gate in Baba Amr, Homs last week.
أوغاريت حمص حي باباعمرو اطلاق النار على باب المدرسه لفتحه واحتلالها الذي اطلق النار شبيح بحذاء رياضي ولباس احمر مع اللباس
04/11/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwcTYydDWM&feature=player_embedded#!

Notice how they stampeed and pushed and shoved in their entry!!
A couple of granades dropped by a kid could have wiped them all out!!

Either these guys have no clue of the ABC of entering a premise housing armed people!
Or
They were not expecting armed resistance!

Come to think of it!
It was both!
– Their basic technique was atrocious and exemplifies the mediocracy that transcends the entire Regime’s pyramid of power
– The “conspirators” they were after were unarmed.

November 8th, 2011, 10:07 am

 

Mango said:

Sleep of sobriety has the man !!

November 8th, 2011, 10:26 am

 

Revlon said:

Banners communicate revolution statements and messages to the outside world.
Demonstration in Khalidyia neighbourhood, Homs, last night!
The area is called Khalidiya because its original epicentre was Khled Ibn Alwaleed Mosque

حمص مسائية حي الخالدية 7 11 2011راااائعة
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PSdESeJXus&feature=player_embedded#!

– We plead to Dr Mahmoud Adghaim to Join the SNC instead of forming a new one!
– We are under artillery and aerial shelling; we ask for no-fly zone and protection of civilians.
– Michel Kilo represents himself and the SNC is too small to accommodate him!
– No to the Assembly of National Coordination (of drumming and trumpeting for the regime).
– No to the rotten, and expired canned Opposition
– No to the regime shoe shiners and beggars.

November 8th, 2011, 10:28 am

 

bronco said:

For the wishful thinkers about the AL and the effect of the SNC pressures while the powerful Western countries remain paralyzed in front of weak Syria.

“An Arab League source said a ministerial committee might return to Damascus with a reprimand and perhaps a new deadline for compliance, or dispatch Arab observers to identify violators of the deal. Sterner action, such as suspending Syria from the League or blaming it for the violence, was unlikely immediately”

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-syrian-attack-rebel-city-mocks-arab-peace-133035714.html

November 8th, 2011, 10:32 am

 

Tara said:

Bronco

What do you expect the AL to do on Saturday. Give blessing or condemnation? Or too early to tell?

November 8th, 2011, 10:35 am

 

Revlon said:

المبيضون الجدد لاموال رامي مخلوف ومحمد ناصيف
2011/11/08نشر فى: أخبار محلية
http://all4syria.info/web/archives/35513
مراسل المحليات : كلنا شركاء
The new money lauderers of R makhlouf

نقلت وكالة رويترز اليوم الخبر التالي ” يزور مساعد وزير الخزانة دانييل جليزر الاردن ولبنان علما بانه يحقق في تمويل الإرهاب وسيطلع في زيارته المسؤولين في بيروت وعمان على محاولات محتملة من سوريا لتجنب العقوبات التي تفرضها الولايات المتحدة والاتحاد الأوروبي من خلال القطاعين الماليين اللبناني والأردني”.
Assitant to the US treassury Secretary visits Lebanon to follow on attempts by Regime to circumvent sanctions.

وقد ذكرت مصادر متابعة لملف اجراءات بشار الاسد ورجالات عصابته للتهرب من العقوبات الدولية المفروضة عليهم بان اشهر الشخصيات التي تقوم بعمليات تبييض الاموال وتهريبها لصالح رامي مخلوف ووالده محمد مخلوف بعد ان فرضت العقوبات عليهم هو والد زوجة رامي السفير السوري في رومانيا وليد عثمان ويساعده فواز الزنك , اضافة لذلك فان خال رامي مخلوف غسان المهنا الذي هو شريك نزار الاسعد الذي فرضت عليه العقوبات هو احد الذين يتم التدقيق بقضايا تحويلاتهم واتصالهم مع الشركات الامريكية .

والامر الملفت هو وضع رجل الاعمال السوري م .ق الذي يعتبر واجهة ثانية لتبييض اموال اللواء محمد ناصيف قيد الانذار المصرفي حيث يتم اعلام جهات الرقابة المالية عند اي تحويل يرد اسمه فيه اما بالنسبة لمحمد حمشو الذي صدرت بحقه عقوبات من دول عديدة فذكر المصدر انه قد اعتمد على شقيق زوجته فراس رسلان الدباس حيث يتم تهريب الاموال وتبييضها عبر شركات انشأها باسمه في عدة دول خليجية .

وضمن نفس السياق اضاف المصدر ان جميع الخزائن الحديدية لدى جميع المصارف بلبنان قد حجزت لصالح شخصيات سورية ويستغرب المصدر هذا الهجوم الكبير في هذه الفترة على امتلاك خزنة حديدية في المصارف اللبنانية الذي لا يجد تفسيرا سوى انه يتم وضع اموال كاش ومجوهرات
ووثائق هامة تمهيدا للهرب من سوريا عند توفر الظروف المناسبة

All Bank safes in lebanon have been reserved for use by Syrian officials.

November 8th, 2011, 10:39 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

THE REALITY OF DOOMED

If Observer the serious, cool-headed commentator is using the word Betho. Then

Baththar ith dooooooomed.

November 8th, 2011, 10:44 am

 

Ghufran said:

Majed
I can not speak on behalf of alawis but I personally know alawis who went to hajj.
All alawis celebrate aladha

November 8th, 2011, 10:50 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

Banners communicate counter- revolution statements and messages to the outside world.

Demonstration in Al Yasooiya neighborhood, Homs, last night!
The area is called Yasooiya because its original epicenter was the Jesuit Monetary and Church.

حمص مسائية حي اليسوعية 2011راااائعة

– We plead to Dr Bashar Assad not to Joins the SNC instead forming a new one by nationalist opposition!
– We will be under NATO artillery and aerial shelling; we ask for no Iraqization and protection of Syrian civilians.
– Ghalioun represents himself and the SNC, these traitors are too small to liberate Syrians!
– No to the Napalm Bombs, Cluster Bombs, Depleted Uranium Bombs, Gdam Bombs, Shrapnel Bombs, Phosphorus bombs, nuclear bombs, neutron bombs, and all other NATO/ US bombs.
– No to the rotten, and expired NATO Colonial canned Opposition,
-NO to the spoiled and expired Qatari pickled Opposition,
-No to the brain spilled and mentally drained Bandar.Hariri Opposition,
– No to the NATO shoe shiners and Saudi Cash beggars.
YES FOR NATIONALIST LEADERSHIP
YES FOR NATIONALIST OPPOSITION
YES FOR MINORITIES PROTECTION
YES FOR INDEPENDENCE
YES FOR FREEDOM FROM FOREIGN OCCUPATION
YES FOR PROGRESS AND NO IRAQIZATION-LIBYAZATION

November 8th, 2011, 10:55 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@TARA

I have an update for you, those terrorists you sent from Northern Lebanon and caught in Baba Omar and the other bordering villages were decimated totally as of this morning, please send another batch, say about the same 2000 thugs at a time , that way it is easy for Assad forces to slaughter them efficiently. The spotters on the Lebanese side are now watching the movement too and will be reporting the route taken by the ALCIADA Global Mayhem Terrorists to Syria. This will make even for much better slaughter in the future. So, I would say it is all positive and, for now, it appears that all 15,000 Moslem Terrorists will be slaughtered in about 17 days. Await your report from ALCIADA command about the next dumb move.

November 8th, 2011, 11:09 am

 

Ghufran said:

The White House is declining to comment about an audio tape from last week’s G20 summit that captured President Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy venting about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whom Sarkozy calls a “liar.”

The conversation overheard by reporters — who evidently agreed not to report it because it was captured before the two leaders thought they were on-mic — was picked up on English and French simultaneous translation headsets.

According to French website, Arret sur images, which analyzes media coverage of current affairs, Obama was heard asking Sarkozy to help persuade the Palestinians to stop their efforts to gain U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state.

Sarkozy told Obama, “Netanyahu, I can’t stand him. He’s a liar.” 

Obama did not object to the characterization, and responded: “You are sick of him, but I have to work with him every day.”

November 8th, 2011, 11:15 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
Do the Alawite believe in Haj,do they believe in Fasting?
those who went to Haj may not be true Alawite, you as half Alawi did you go to Haj? I assume you are in the upper sixties.

Observer
Can Alawite state survive surrounded by Sunni, survive in the Alawis mountain only?
Or can the kurds survive in Syria if they seperate? they will be surrounded by no sea,any connection with the rest of the world they need acceptance from hostile country that surrond them.they can not export the oil without paying heavy tax.

November 8th, 2011, 11:22 am

 

norman said:

Majed,

Do yo think that people need to go to Haj to be good.?

And no the Baath Party was there before president Assad and will be there after president Assad, he is the president because he is the secretory general of the Baath party,

November 8th, 2011, 12:02 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

“..Can Alawite state survive surrounded by Sunni, survive in the Alawis mountain only?..”

Israel not only survived, but thrived as Jewish State surrounded by incompetent and backward Sunni Moslem States. There is more than 88 Million Sunni Moslem on the south side in Egypt alone, 22 Million in Saudi. The land of Israel is devout of any natural resources and mainly is a desolate desert. They managed to impose their hegemony all across and maintain superior economy, culture, industry, commerce and military. The main reason for this success is that, there gene pool, is not entirely composed of retarded Moslems.

Hong Kong is yet another example and there exist few more, but when it comes to Syria, this will be a not-so-bad idea. First, 80% of Syria, like Israel, is worthless desert having no mineral resources and despite billions spent to rehab and make fit for agriculture, it attempts failed. The Syrian dessert is very hostile.

The Hasakeh Area and Kurdish region is running out of oil and drying up, the arid and dry region is not place for Agriculture either, in the past 5 years over a million fled the area after their crops failed and draught is now permanently set in. The rivers water is dwindling, and the trend will continue. The river Euphrates will eventually dry up to sand bed according to the bible. Mainly because its water source will have less ice buildup, this trend will last millennia perhaps before the cold cycle return.

REVELATION 16:12
“The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East.”

The entire 80% of Syria future is economically and survival bleak. Only education, industrial investments will save it, a Las Vegas comparison comes handy here for the region, desert with one major river for survival. The land mass may have been valuable in war time, in prolonged war it offer strategic depth, but the benefit of this in exposed dessert environment in modern warfare is questionable. So, 80% of Syria is burden on the nation once the last drop of oil is pumped out.

On the other hand Western Syria, from the foothills west of Hama and the plain west of Homs, all the way to MED and from Talkalakh in the south to Iskenderun north is really the richest part of Syria, in all terms and calculations, including the higher level of education among its inhabitant, their openness and progressiveness (less retarded Moslems fanatics). Idlib, will be a contested area, and it is extremely valuable to include in any plan for separation, not necessarily Aleppo itself. Idlib maintain huge mineral reserves and Agriculture sector that can feed the entire new Syria on/covering the length of the MEDCOAST side.

Should events conclude in that outcome, it will be wise for Assad to just plot this move and secure idlib to the new Republic of Syria. The future of this Republic is beyond awesome, but the detail of that progress will be left to another time. As Israel has demonstrated, a State can thrive even when its borders is surrounded by billion retarded Moslem, even you have no land resources, all you need is smart, educated, creative and innovative people and technologically superior military and defense force.

November 8th, 2011, 12:09 pm

 

ann said:

*** SURRENDER NOW ***

Interior Minister Calls on Misled Individuals Who Didn’t Commit Murder to Benefit from Deadline to Turn Themselves In and Surrender Weapons

Nov 08, 2011

http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/08/380558.htm

GOVERNORATES, (SANA) – Minister of Interior Maj. Gen. Mohammad Ibrahim al-Shaar on Tuesday called on police officers to be at utmost readiness and distribute work according to their expanding duties and responsibilities of protecting security and peace.

During an inspection police commands in Homs, Hama and Lattakia and meetings with heads of police departments, Minister al-Shaaar called for building upon successful experiences and implementing plans and programs to improve police work and prevent any at attempt at tampering with Syria’s security.

He also called for increasing the presence of police patrols, monitoring highways, immediate intervention when calls for help arrive, and perusing criminals and wanted men.

The Minister stressed the need for officers to be an example of integrity and respecting citizens and enforcing the rule of law on everyone without abusing it, urging officers to revaluate their performance and pursue training.

Al-Shaar briefed the officers on the events taking place in Syria and the instigation campaigns against it led by external forces, affirming that Syria will go through with the reform program and restore security and stability, emerging from the crisis stronger than ever thanks to the awareness of the Syrian people and their rallying around President Bashar al-Assad.

He stressed that the crimes committed by armed terrorist groups under claims of achieving just demands are not related to reform in any way and removed from the morals and values of the Syrian people, reiterating the call for misled individuals that were manipulated by external forces to carry out their plots to benefit from the deadline set by the Interior Ministry and turn themselves in and surrender their weapons.

The Ministry’s earlier announcement in this regard promised general amnesty to those who carried, sold, distributed, transported, purchased or funded the purchase of firearms and didn’t commit murder if they turn themselves in and surrender their weapons to the nearest police station by Saturday 12/10/2011.

November 8th, 2011, 12:50 pm

 

Tara said:

UK urges Arab League response to Syria peace plan failure
http://masress.com/en/youm7en/348019

08 – 11 – 2011
LONDON- British Foreign Secretary William Hague on Tuesday urged the Arab League to respond “swiftly and decisively” to Syria’s failure to implement a plan aimed at ending eight months of bloodshed.
Hague also called on Syria to “lift the siege of Homs”, the only major city to remain outside the regime’s control, and to withdraw forces from the country’s towns and cities in line with its agreement with the Arab League.
“It is deplorable that despite making a commitment to the Arab League to end the violence last week, the Syrian government has escalated the repression and many more people have died as a result,” said Hague in a statement.
“I call on the Arab League to respond swiftly and decisively to the Syrian regime’s failure to implement the agreement so far,” he said. “The international community looks to these Arab nations to show decisive leadership to address this crisis in their midst.”
Hague urged the regime to end the siege of Homs and “allow in international and relief efforts (and) to withdraw all Syrian forces from the towns and cities of Syria in accordance with its agreement with the Arab League.”
Syria must also “implement all other aspects of the agreement in full,” he said.
Under the agreement struck between Syria and the pan-Arab bloc, President Bashar al-Assad must open talks with the opposition and withdraw tanks from the streets.
On Tuesday, opposition group the Syrian National Council urged the Arab League to stand strong against Assad’s regime as the United Nations said its crackdown on dissent had left more than 3,500 people dead. 

November 8th, 2011, 1:58 pm

 

Observer said:

SNP talks about Israel thriving despite its lack of natural resources and being surrounded by stupid Sunni Moslem states.
There is no comparison between a democracy and an autocracy. Between multiparty rule that followed the growth and establishment of an industrial-revolution style type of governance with a one party rule that has no basis in either a working class or an industrial economy. A one party rule imported from Lenin and based on a feudal agrarian economy with very poor citizenship awarness and absent institutions of higher education and learning. This is the receipe for disater and a failed state.

In essence the informaiton revolution is allowing many societies that have not gone through the industrial revolution stage of development that broke up the feudal-church grip on power in favor of a multiparty system with indepdendent branches of government and with workers and labor part and parcel of the social contract. The information revolution is permitting for the young and ambitious to realize that they have to have a right for a better future and that the current feudal sectarian family and clan basis of governance is caduc and no longer capable of solving their problems. Even religions that do not help people solve their problems change or disappear or are abandoned for a different ideological frame work.

One party rule leads to the economy being subservient to politics; to party members replacing experts in key positions; and in subservience of the population to the leadership. All are fraught with terrible consequences of a failed state.

If the Alawi wish to establish a separate state then I will respect their wish and will also make sure that they are in a viable state and able to cooperate with the other people in the area. If they choose a one party one family dictatorship they will end up like all the failed states in the region. If they have populsit consent governance they will be fine.

I want them to be happy and secure and looking forward to a bright future just like the rest of the 99% of the people on this earth.
It is precisely because they and other sects and minorities are disenfranchised within a state that they develop the minority-persecution-fear-of-the-other complex that locks them in a downward spiral of self destruction. The spiral consists of a distorted view of reality, of a refusal to compromise, and of a deathly fear of losing one inch while they end up losing a mile.

The new generation is really something else for they have awoken from the magical world in which Arab society was imprisoned in:
1. There is the Salafi who thinks that growing a beard and covering his wife will bring back the reign of Umar and Abu Bakr and yet his daily travails are a sharp contrast to that period which saw true governance by the people from the people and for the people.
2. There is the Westernized one who thinks that by putting on a tie and shining his shoes and wearing cufflinks he can import the West en bloc only to discover that he is alive in a feudal society where clan and family and sect have completely replaced the national identity and where a failed state confronts him daily.
3. There is the eternal victim who sees the hand of foreign intervention in every mishap he lives including his divorce and the deviance of his children and has abdicated any responsibility for his/her fate
4. There is the rabid nationalist that walks and talks like the jackbooted nazis and organizes rallies and demonstrations and accuses every other of treason and sends off missiles of hate and denigration
All of the four types are exemplified by the commentators on this blog. There is the blaber of regime support, the exclusivist ultra nationalist, the rabid Salafi, etc….
All are passe as the youth of the Syrian revolution have gone ages beyond that and are on the way of changing the society from the bottom up.

The amount of work that will be needed to heal the country and especially Homs is so vast that even if Betho were to succeed in crushing the revolution even he and the entire Iranian regime will not be able to heal or reconstruct. Look at Grozhni, no amount of money and rebuilding has been able to efface the hatred of the Russians there. To this day, Chinese prefer US cars over Japanese cars because of what happened to the Chinese in 1936 Manchuria.

This regime my dear Hamster is finished, it carried within it the seeds of destruction the moment the slogan of the Eternal Leader went up in the 70’s. The mondus operandi of the regime is the same and is bound to fail, the best example is how the regime messed up in Lebanon to the point where every one hated the Syrians even though we have been living under this horrendous regime since 1962. This is a clear example that they cannot learn just as the leopard cannot change its spots.

November 8th, 2011, 2:01 pm

 

Humanist said:

I just can’t understand the sectarian “problem” in Syria…

The western media never falls to mention that Assad is an “alawite shia” bla bla bla..

I don’t know what is the exact definition of “alawite”, but I know shias pray in a different way and in different mosques, with different imams (than sunnis). They also have other rituals which are more important.
Assad, on the other hand, in all ways seems to be a devout SUNNI or at least pretending to be.

Also alawites in general seem to have been transformed into “mainstream” muslims (read: sunnis) the last 40 years (fasting, going to hajj etc.)

So what is the “sectarian” problem?
Why focus on religious/sectarian differences that don’t exist?
The focus should be purely political instead…

November 8th, 2011, 2:25 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

I saw a report today that Turkey is saying it could take aggressive action against Syria “in case of availability of international and Arab cover for this step.” Knowing what you know, you can interpret that as saying Turkey won’t be taking aggressive action anytime soon. The same news story also says “Ankara, which delayed the announcement of sanctions pending the efforts of the Arab League, could announce a combination of sanctions after the announcement of Arab League efforts failure.” That is telling me Turkey won’t be introducing trade sanctions very soon; and Turkey will be following the lead of the Arabic countries; and Turkey won’t be acting on its own. This is the first time I personally have come across a report that Turkey won’t be introducing trade sanctions soon (all other reports I’ve seen this past six weeks have been saying and assuming that trade sanctions by Turkey are coming up any day now). My source for that report is not authoritative — it’s second-hand attributing “Middle East” newspaper which I suppose could be the very bad al-sharq al-awsat newspaper — but from elsewhere I find good grounds to believe it’s a true report. Repeating #130, the main Turkish opposition parties are on record as opposing Turkish interference in Syria’s internal affairs, and that political fact necessitates that the Turkish government would need support from the governments of other countries, including Arabic countries, if it were to act with a lot more pushiness against Syria; Turkey won’t act alone. Repeating #143 Bronco, if the Turkish government acted alone, events could prove it a foolish and misguided move by Turkey (not to mention damaging to Syria and no decent person wants that), and until it becomes clearer to Turkey where the events are going, Turkey will probably play low key with Syria.

It is clear to me where events are going; the regime has been winning hugely in Syria and is going to finish with a huge win when the revised Constitution is ratified in a referendum next Spring. But the Turkish foreign ministry emits only faint indications that it sees the same as of yet.

November 8th, 2011, 2:29 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Norman
Yes I do believe all PEACEFUL religious people are good, whether they are Moslems,Christians,or Jews.

November 8th, 2011, 2:39 pm

 

Mina said:

226 must be raving!!
There is no difference between receive 5 billion dollars a year since 1967 and being on the black list for “socialism” for forty years . As if Israel was not MORE socialist than any other country! Pay the fundamentalists to produce kids “coz we need extremists to fight our neighbours”, pay students to come and be brainwashed into “you’re sons of adam and eve, only you”. Disgusting propaganda, so-called Observer. You guys are on payroll and you don’t one anyone on this forum.

November 8th, 2011, 2:42 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

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November 8th, 2011, 2:49 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

#207 asks “Any update on Bab Amro? And Homs?”

http://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria?sk=wall
The above blog in English has had lots and lots — almost hourly –updates from Bab Amro and Homs over the past few days. Its primary source for its reports is Homs Network News (H.N.N. شبكة أخبار حمص ). I can’t testify that all of its reports are true. I presume most of them are true.

November 8th, 2011, 2:50 pm

 

Tara said:

15 civilians killed in Syria today even after storming Bab Amro last night.

How can the AL justifying not condemning the regime and yet give Bashar more time to implement the initiative after Saturday.

November 8th, 2011, 3:13 pm

 

jad said:

Dear Norman,

بيان من سماحة المفتي الدكتور أحمد بدر حسون
توضيح لما جاء في صحيفة دير شبيغل ( Der Spiegel ) في العدد 45
والذي أجراه الدكتور إيريك فولاذ

– في حديثنا الذي أجراه الدكتور إيريك فولاذ والذي إستمر لساعتين كنا نهدف من ذلك الحوار إيصال الكلمة الواضحة لما يحدث في سورية ورداً على كل المواقف والكلمات التي حورت وزوّرت وأجتزء منها ليخدم غاياتٍ معينة ويعطي عكس ما نود إيصاله عن الأوضاع في سورية وعن موقفنا الديني من هذه الأحداث على مستوى العالم العربي والعالمي, ولكن ما يؤسفنا أن مجلة دير شبيغل قد أجتزءت الحديث المسجل لمدة ساعتين وأختصرته بمدة خمسة عشرة دقيقة فقط بل وحورت بعض الأجوبة من شكل إيجابي إلى جواب سلبي.

وأولها : الحديث عن السيد الرئيس والمعارضة.
حيث قلت لو أن المعارضة قدمت برامجها لتقنع الشارع السوري أن ما لديها خيرٌ مما هو موجود في سورية الأن ولم تستعمل القتل والسلاح والإغتيال لكان السيد الرئيس أول من يرفع قبعته لهم ويشكرهم ويعود إلى ما درسه وما أحبه في مقتبل شبابه الذي أبتدئه فهو طبيب في جراحة العيون.

فكم هو بعيد عما أجتزئته دير شبيغل والدكتور إيريك في جواب لا يتجاوز الشعر كلمات والتي جاء فيها بإعتقادي أن الرئيس ليس متعلق جداً بالرئاسةَ, وكما ذكرته بعض القنوات الإعلامية (( أن الرئيس الأسد سيتنحى عن السلطة بعد الإصلاحات)).

ثانياً :
وفي جوابٍ أخر كنا نتحدث عن من يحمل المسؤولية مما يجري في الوطن وفي تصحيح الأخطاء وفي إيصال سورية إلى شاطئ الأمان والخروج من الفتنة وسفك الدماء فكان الجواب أن كل مواطن في سورية مسؤول في موقعه عن إنقاذ الوطن ويتحمل جزءاً من المسؤولية لما حدث من تجاوزات فالحكومة مسؤولة والمفتي مسؤول والسيد الرئيس مسؤول لإن سورية أمانة عندنا جميعاً لنعيدها إلى واحة السلام.

ثالثاً :
في قضية الإستشهاديين والتي أثارت جدلاً واسعاً في المواقع الإعلامية فقد وضحت للدكتور إيريك في الجواب عن ذلك الجدل بل وأكدت على أن يفهمه بوضوح من خلال الترجمة الدقيقة والتي أعادها عليه المترجم مرتين, وأيضاً بعد سفره أتصل ليستشير بالجواب فصححنا له بالقول أننا لم ولن ندع الناس ليكونوا إستشهاديين ولم نرحب ولا نريد بأن يتحول الناس إلى إستشهاديين, وما كان في الكلمة التي ألقيتها أمام وفدٍ لبناني, وليس كما ذكر الدكتور إيريك أنها كانت في كلمة رثاءِ ولدي سارية المقصود منه إلى أن أوروبا إذا قصفت سورية ولبنان فإن الناس ستكون ردة فعلهم شديدة وفي كل أنحاء العالم وليس في منطقتنا وليس من دين معين أو جماعةٍ معينة فالظلم يؤدي إلى تحول الناس إلى إستشهاديين أو إنتحاريين كما تسميهم بعض الجهات, لذلك كنت أنبه أن لا تعتدوا علينا فنحن لم نعتدي عليكم ودعونا نحل مشاكلنا بيننا , فحوّرَ هذا الجواب بل ووضع في مقدمة المقال ليكون واجهةً سلبيةً للمقال.

– وقد تسائل بعض الأخوة في قنوات الإعلام والانترنت بقولهم إلى متى تبقى أجوبة المفتي مثيرة للجدل وجوابي حتى يكون الناقل صادقاً فيما ينقل وأميناً فيما يسمع وملتزماً بأدب وأخلاق وقوانين الإعلام الصادق في النقل والتثبت والبحث وهذا ما عرفته وما عرفه الكثير من إستقراء التاريخ كيف حُوّر وزُوّر كثيرٌ من الأحاديث التي تكلم بها الأنبياء والقادة والمصلحون الذين أرادوا خدمة البشرية والحفاظ على قداسة الله وكرامة الإنسان, فحولت هذه الأهداف وهذه الكلمات عند أصحاب الأهواء والطوائف والمذاهب التي فرقت الإنسانية وحولت رسالات السماء التي تدعوا إلى المحبة والإخاء إلى دعوات فرقةٍ وخصام بين أبناء الإنسانية ولتوصلهم إلى هلاك بعضهم البعض. ومثالٌ على هذا التحريف ما بثته قناة العربية اليوم تعليقاً على حديثي مع مجلة دير شبيغل – حيث قالت أن مفتي سورية يقول: لو أن محمداً أمرني أن أكفر بالمسيحية واليهودية لكفرت بمحمد – بالله عليكم أيقول هذا الكلام عاقل وقد رددته عدة مرات إعلامياً وقلت لم اقل هذا الكلام وهم يصرّون على كذبهم فانظروا رعاكم الله.

فأرجو من كل من يسمع ويقرأ حديثاً ينسب إلى قائدٍ أو عالمٍ أو مفكرٍ أو أي إنسان أن يتأكد من صحة النقل وعدم إجتزاء الأقوال وعدم تحريف المعاني لأن الله سبحانه تعالى قال : ( يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا إِنْ جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَأٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَنْ تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ )

وأنا أعلم أن هذا الرجاء لن يجد مكاناً له في كثير من وسائل إعلام الفتنة والتي نشرت كثيراً مما لم أقله ونسبته إليَّ , وحوّرت وزوّرت فأرسلنا لهم تنبيهاً وتصحيحاً وتوضيحاً فلم يغيروا شيئاً ولم يصححوا ما أخطأووا به لإنه لا يخدم أجنداتهم وغايتهم.

وكما أطلب أيضاً من مجلة دير شبيغل والدكتور إيريك أن ينقل الحديث الذي إستمر ساعتين كما تكلمت به وهو مسجل وموثق لديه ولدينا أيضاً.

حمى الله سورية والبلاد العربية والإسلامية والإنسانية من كل من يريد الظلم والطغيان والحروب, وممن يريد للإنسان أن يقتل أخاه الإنسان ويجعل منه عملاً مقدساً, لإننا نرى في شريعتنا السمحاء أن لا قداسة في قتل الإنسان أياً كان هذا القاتل إلا في حدود الله التي حددها ولم يسمح لأي أحد أن يقوم بها إلا عن بينةٍ واضحةٍ وليس ظناً, لإنَّ الدماء مصونةً عقلاً وشرعاً وكرامة.

والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

أخوكم د. أحمد بدر الدين حسون

المفتي العام للجمهورية العربية السورية

الثلاثاء 12 / ذي الحجة / 1432

November 8th, 2011, 3:17 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

Bad news for the zionists and Dale Son of Ander.

Clinton Defends Decision Not to Intervene in Syria, Bahrain
By Julia Edwards
Updated: November 8, 2011 | 8:56 a.m.
November 8, 2011 | 8:30 a.m.

Defending the U.S. decision not to intervene in Syria and Bahrain, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton explained on Monday night, “Situations vary dramatically from country to country.”

Clinton told the audience at the National Democratic Institute in Washington that it is fair to ask, “Why does America promote democracy one way in some countries and another way in others?”

Both Middle Eastern countries have witnessed opposition protests against authoritarian regimes, much like the Arab Spring uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya. The Obama administration has called Syrian President Bashar Assad “unfit to lead” and called for him to step down, but has not applied pressure to bring about his ouster. Criticism of the suppression of Shiite protests by Bahrain’s monarchy has been more muted.

Clinton said the decision on how to deal with a situation involves a variety of factors, including the risk to U.S. forces. Without the support of NATO, as the U.S. had in Libya, an intervention could come at a “much higher cost,” she said, “perhaps even with troops on the ground.”

November 8th, 2011, 3:18 pm

 

Humanist said:

A month old, but worth to read:

http://www.tnr.com/article/world/95722/syria-damascus-bashar-basil-al-assad-sunni-alawi

Many syrians (of a specific sect) obviously consider the Assad family divine.
Well, who knows?
The first men who worsipped Jesus were considered crazy too, now they have turned into BILLIONS…

At least the Assadians’s existance can be proven – unlike that of Jesus/ Allah/ Ufoos/ conspiracies etc…

November 8th, 2011, 3:20 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@OBSERVER

What a smooth crap you wrote, do you work for CNN by any chance. The problem in Syria and the world is too many clean cut boys on T.V. and blogs are smoothing out the disastrous effect of the master plan, awhile millions are raving in the streets of every world capital and revolutions are brewing in many places.

What the world needs is more of the “exclusivist ultra nationalist” SNPier type, that can get rid of the clean talking heads boys that spins you to hypnotic state, and put a practical and pragmatic working plan similar to that one the NAZI transferred Germany into in the past from Weimar Republic into Europe most industrial country. And if you don’t like it that way, I mean the Jewish Bankers and their Reptilian masters who are working this crap of multiculturism and New World Order, One World Government, whatever the Reptilians are considering it is the way to end up enslaving humanity as working farm animals for them devils, it is just too bad. Will join other exclusive ultra nationalists and make it very hard to walk the walk as smooth as you want it to be.

This is not about little country called Syria, this is not about some small time regime in Damascus, this is far bigger, this is about stopping the New World Order and making sure that should it proceed any further WWIII are in the offing smack in the middle of its progress, Syria is nothing more than a stop gap operation, a door stopper.

November 8th, 2011, 3:24 pm

 

irritated said:

#230 D.A

Q: What do you call One Dale Andersen?

A: Just like his master: One comatose hyena

November 8th, 2011, 3:26 pm

 

irritated said:

#232 Tara

“How can the AL justifying not condemning the regime”

Fishy, isn’t?

November 8th, 2011, 3:28 pm

 

irritated said:

U.S. empties biggest Iraq base, takes Saddam’s toilet

http://news.yahoo.com/u-empties-biggest-iraq-takes-saddams-toilet-163803937.html

“Saddam’s prison toilet is leaving with the Americans.”

A well deserved trophy for the rodents.

November 8th, 2011, 3:36 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

What is happening with Ambassador Ford? I thought he is returning to Damascus and planning to bring a Turkey with him to celebrate Thanksgiving holiday with his staff

November 8th, 2011, 3:49 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

[deleted by Alex]

November 8th, 2011, 3:54 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

[deleted by Alex]
Next time you will be banned for one week.

November 8th, 2011, 3:56 pm

 

irritated said:

Dale andersen

Stop the pollution with your sick jokes!

November 8th, 2011, 4:04 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara #239

Maybe he preferred to go to Turkey to eat his turkey, but he won’t get eggs and tomatoes for appetizers.

November 8th, 2011, 4:08 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

[deleted by Alex]
Next time you will be banned for one week.

November 8th, 2011, 4:17 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

In his post at the top of this thread, the nutty professor, Joshua Landis, saw fit to give top billing to Ghalioun’s speech. In the immediately previous thread at # 550 MINA said: “I can’t find a single article in the Western newspapers about Ghalyoun’s mad speech yesterday.” That summary by MINA is a slight over-statement. But it is approximately correct.

Regarding the Arabic newspapers, I did a search for the name برهان غليون at News.Google.com and I see it is pretty scarce in news in Arabic dated over the past few days, though not so scarce as in the Western newspapers.

Ghalioun’s speech was televised by one of the big Arabic satellite TV channels, alright. But otherwise the news media’s coverage of the speech was small blips on a wide sea of silence. I judge the speech was a dead-born baby for Syrians and for the whole world, since there was so very little post-speech chatter in the mass media about the speech.

In the speech, Ghalioun called upon the soliders of the Syrian army to defect from the army in order to protect the homeland. The bulk of the people of Syria are solidly and thoroughly persuaded that that Arabic satellite TV channel is full of lies and evilness towards Syria. I agree with MINA that it was a mad speech.

November 8th, 2011, 4:27 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

If the Ambassador was a Roberta Ford instead, would’ve the shabeeha thrown egg and tomato at her too?

November 8th, 2011, 4:32 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara #246

Gender discrimination? Never under Bashar Al Assad!

November 8th, 2011, 5:02 pm

 

Tara said:

Cute come back…

Personally, I prefer gender inequality.

November 8th, 2011, 5:14 pm

 

zoo said:

Turkey’s Kurdish Peace Plan Fails : A Civil War Revived
Nov 6, 2011 10:00 AM EST
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/06/turkey-s-kurdish-peace-plan-fails.html

Turkey’s prime minister promised peace with the country’s Kurdish separatists. A year later, violence between the two sides is worse than ever.

The cycle of attack and retaliation has become depressingly familiar: Kurdish guerrillas kill Turkish soldiers in a hit-and-run raid. Politicians express outrage and vow vengeance as patriotic Turks fly flags of solidarity to commemorate the dead from every window and car. Fighter jets, gunships, and commandos stream over Turkey’s southern border to hit the bases of the separatist Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, in the mountains of northern Iraq.
{…}

November 8th, 2011, 5:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Ya Mara Ghalbana

With all due respect, I find it indecent to personally attack JL while taking advantage of posting on his blog. You may thing it is freedom of speech. I thinkg it is indecency.

November 8th, 2011, 5:30 pm

 

Tara said:

November 8, 2011
Grim milestone passed in Syria
Rick Moran
 
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/11/grim_milestone_passed_in_syria.html
 
The United Nations says at least 3500 Syrian civilians have been killed in President Assad’s brutal crackdown on dissent.
And despite an agreement reached between Syria and the Arab League to halt the attacks on civilians, withdraw the Syrian military, and release political prisoners, the slaughter continues unabated.
Reuters:
Syria’s representative to the Arab League, said Damascus had “gone a long away” toward implementing the plan, pointing to the release of around 500 detainees under a conditional amnesty announced last week.
But Arab and Western powers are getting increasingly frustrated with Damascus’ failure to stem the crackdown. Qatar’s prime minister has called for Arab states to meet on Saturday to discuss it, while France’s foreign minister said Syria was witnessing “a new round of repression”.
Residents in Homs, Syria’s third largest city which has been at the forefront of seven months of protests against Assad’s rule, said troops had entered a residential district on Monday and were consolidating their control.
“I sneaked in to see my father today, who was hit by shrapnel. The number of troops and shabbiha (militia) in Bab Amro is now in the thousands and the looting is rampant,” a resident who gave his name as Sami said by phone.
He said he saw militiamen and soldiers in one neighborhood carrying refrigerators, televisions and computer screens and putting them in jeeps and pick-up trucks. A school was turned into a detention center where scores of youths were laid out in the courtyard with their hands tied behind their backs, he said.
The fact that Syria claims that “500 detainees” have been released is laughable. Observers place the actual number of political prisoners at more than 10,000. 
According to human rights groups who are closely monitoring the situation in Syria, at least 60 civilians have been killed – most of them in Homs – since the agreement was supposed to have gone into effect last week.
This would seem to indicate Assad has no intention of letting up on those who are opposing his brutal rule.

November 8th, 2011, 5:43 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

248. Tarasaid:

Personally, I prefer gender inequality.

Don’t be too impressed guys, she is a gold digger. She knows men get shafted big time that way. Then men may wise up and demand gender equality, not, men are you know what chasers and slave. Just count how many big wig Politicians lost everything they worked for on a paid fling.

November 8th, 2011, 5:48 pm

 

Tara said:

A statement issued at the end of a lengthy meeting held Monday at the residence of Future bloc MP Mouin Merhebi accused Prime Minister Najib Mikati of denying medical care for Syrian nationals fleeing an eight-month crackdown by the Syrian regime.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/Nov-08/153353-north-gathering-says-government-neglecting-syrian-refugees-medical-needs.ashx#axzz1d9tDBEFV
……
The meeting comprised of Akkar Mufti Sheikh Mohammad Rifai, Azem Ayoubi, head of a local Islamic group; Khaled Taha, lawyer and coordinator of the Future Movement in Tripoli and Zakaria Abdullah, head of the Union of Municipalities for the area.

The group said Mikati had ordered the government-run Higher Relief Council to freeze medical care to Syrian refugees.
…..
“This decision is a violation of all rules of treatment of refugees provided by the human rights charter and the laws of the United Nations, putting dozens of [Syrian] refugees at risk of death from medical conditions, and their inability to return home to seek the necessary treatment,” the group said in its statement.
…..

November 8th, 2011, 5:54 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

Via http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.com/ Emphasis added by me.

7 Nov 2011. The top U.S. official at NATO said Monday that there is zero planning — or even thinking — going on about a military intervention in Syria. “There has been no planning, no thought, and no discussion about any intervention into Syria. It just isn’t part of the envelope of thinking, among individual countries and certainly among the 28 [full NATO members],” said Ivo Daalder, the U.S. ambassador to NATO. “If things change, things change. But as of today, that’s where the reality stands.” Daalder said that there were three overarching conditions that need to be met before the Obama administration would even consider any future military intervention such as occurred in Libya. “The formula was that there needs to be a demonstrable need, regional support, and sound legal basis for action,” said Daalder. “It’s those three things we need to look for before we even think about the possibility of action. None of them apply in Syria.” http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/11/07/daalder_we_re_not_even_thinking_about_intervening_in_syria

By the way, at #245 I described Joshua Landis as “nutty” and #250 TARA said it’s “indecent to personally attack JL”. I reply that nutty is my assessment of much of Joshua’s perspective on the Syrian affairs. It’s not a personal attack. I’ve seen Joshua on video and I say he’s not in the slightest bit nutty in his personhood.

November 8th, 2011, 6:16 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

OBSERVED

To Observer @ 230

Smart Observer
Has known the story
And off he tells it
With tact and grace
***
He ousted the salafi
The pride and glory
And the modernist’s tie
And choice of lace
***
And the Syrio-nazi
He threw in a trash-bin
For the Eternal victim
A coupe de grace
***
For smart Observer
detected reality
In three dimensions
And in Hilbert space
***
I know you hate him,
go bang your forehead
Or shake your pointers,
But cut down to the chase
***
For smart observer
Has found the key
It ain’t in the sect
And it ain’t in race
***
And dear Observer
Has known the story
And he went on to tell it,
With tact and grace
***
To you Observer,
A call for joiner
With the saner people,
For you a place
***
For gross insanity
Has taken over
And their delusion
Has won the race
***
They made their asylum
Of Byzantium holdovers
Where their host they malign
Their house they deface
***
So common here over
To a house of reason
Where we value freedom
And your mind we’ll embrace
***

GODOT IS IN

November 8th, 2011, 6:28 pm

 

Alex said:

Dale Andersen

Your Alawi jokes were removed. Next time you will be banned for one week.

November 8th, 2011, 6:31 pm

 

SYRIN HAMSTER said:

WELL DONE
Thanks Alex, these stale generic jokes were an eyesore, even here.

November 8th, 2011, 6:34 pm

 

jad said:

The terrorists are running to Lebanon to hide their families after being chased out of Baba Amr. They are accusing Ghalyoun and the SNC of treason!? Are they bluffing?

الجيش السوري الحر
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
بيان صادر عن الجيش السوري الحر كتيبة الحارثة
تمكنت سرية ادريس من كتيبة الحارثة من التصدي لكمين اعده كلاب الاسد من الشبيحة في تلكلخ وتم تدمير سياراتهم وقتل عشرون شبيح وننوه ان بعض الضباط المنشقين واللذي تم ضمهم لصفوفنا بناء على توصية من المجلس الخائن برئاسة غليون وقد اعترفوا يتسليم معلوماتنا الى المخابرات السورية وتم اعدامهم فورا ونعود لنكرر لقد تعرضنا لخيانات من المجلس وسوف يحاسبه الثوار لاحقا،
وما النصر إلا من عند الله العلي العظيم
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الجيش السوري الحر
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
بيان صادر عن الجيش السوري الحر كتيبة الحارثة
قامت مجموعة من كتيبة الحارثة بالتصدي لعصابات الأسد في تلكلخ الاتوستراد الدولي وتم تدمير خمس سيارات بيك أب تابعة للأمن العسكري وباصيين نقل عسكري بقذائف أر بي جي وصواريخ كوبرا كما قامت مجموعة اخرى بتأمين الطرق لخروج الجرحى وعائلاتهم مع اهل الثوار الآحرار الى لبنان وهم بآمان الأن.
لقد تعرضنا لخيانات من المجلس وسوف يحاسبه الثوار لاحقا،نطمن الاخوة ان اهلكم في آمان الأن لدى اخوتهم في لبنان
وما النصر إلا من عند الله العلي العظيم
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November 8th, 2011, 6:49 pm

 

bronco said:

#259 Tara

There is no violation of UN convention.

“Lebanon is not a party to the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 Protocol, nor does it have legislation or administrative practices in place to address the specific needs of refugees and asylum-seekers. As a result, the protection framework is fragile, and refugees are at risk of being fined, detained for considerable lengths of time, and occasionally deported.”
{…}
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486676.html

Similarly , Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq are not signatory to the convention and do not recognize refugees.

Turkey has geographic restriction:
“Turkey can provide refugee status to citizens of member states of the Council of Europe only. Turkey recognizes ‘temporary asylum’ for people coming from countries that are not members of the Council of Europe”.

Egypt is a signatory of the convention

November 8th, 2011, 7:08 pm

 

jad said:

As predicted, the next spot for escalation in a new try to push for Turkey intervention and the planned buffer zone is Edleb and the Northern borders, (I think it’s planned by Turkey)

إدلب| 8-11-2011| شبكة أخبار جسر الشغور الشريفة

الى اشرف الشرفاء في بلدي
سيدي منطقة جبل الزاوية عادت وتسلحت من جديد
الحدود السورية التركية فلتانه من سلقين حارم دركوش وا وا ……. الى كسب والمجرمين تدخل وتخرج كميرات واجهزة اتصالات متطوره تابعه للجزيرة دخلت جبل الزاوية منذ ايام اغلب الامن الموجود فاسد سيدي اذا لم يحسم امر الفساد على الحدود وبمحافظة ادلب نحن بانتظار مجازر جديدة …

رسالة الى كل رجل امن فاسد :عندما يقتل طفلك بسلاح انت ادخلته مقابل رزمه من المال هل ستعيد طفلك الى الحياة بهاذه الاموال ؟؟ اتقوى الله في سوريا التي ربتكم وكبرتكم الا ترون على جدران بيوتكم التي بنيتوها باموال فسادكم اشلاء رفاقكم؟
ان اعمدتها ايدي وارجل رفاقكم التي قتلتهم الاسلحة التي ادخلتموها بفسادكم ؟؟

سيدي الرئيس نتمنى وضع شرفاء على الحدود وليس كلاب اموال
وتحية من كل شريف الى رجال الامن والجيش الشرفاء

تنويه :يستخدم بعض المجرمين نهر العاصي طريق للوصول الى تركيا وتهريب السلاح

إدلب| 8-11-2011| شبكة أخبار خان شيخون

إلى اصحاب الشأن والجهات المعنية:
خطر العمليات المسلحة في مناطق إدلب يزداد كثيرا يومـــاً
تلو الآخر و نحن نخشى أن يكون هناك مخطط لتحويل إدلب
إلى حمص ثانية فأعمال المسلحين تزداد و في مناطق لـم
يحدث فيها أي شيء مثل معرة مصرين و كفر تخاريم و غـداً
و بعد غد لا نعرف أين.

نتمنى من الجهات المختصة أن تقوم بضبط الأمور و السيطرة
عليها قبل أن تتأزم الأمور أكثر من ذلك.

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From FB:
“صفحة فداء السيد تقول ان صفحة الجيش الكر تهكرت ولا آحد يعلن مسؤوليته عن ذلك هل هي تغطية للانشقاق الحاصل في صفوفهم؟ او هي حقيقة والشباب السوري قد استولى على الصفحة؟”

“ما يسمون أنفسهم ” الجيش السوري الكر ” يعلنون خيانة الفرنسي من اصول سوريه برهان غليون لهم في صفحتهم الرسمية على فيس بوك …والقزم أبن القزم فداء السيد يعلن ان صفحة الجيش السوري الكر تم تهكيرها ! …والحقيقة ان صفحة الجيش السوري الكر لم تخترق ..وأبسط الأدلة على ما نقوله هو ان البريد الإلكتروني لتلك الصفحة متواجد على بيانات تلك الصفحة وهو البريد الذي يتم استقبال التبرعات لهم”
وما يحصل الان هو امر طبيعي جداً انشقاقات وتشتت كامل في صفوف الخونه بعد قضاء جيشنا الباسل على عصاباتهم في حمص العدية

November 8th, 2011, 7:11 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

WOW Hamster, too bad you cannot make a living out of your poetry talent. Have you not chosen this profession because you know for sure no one will be fool to pay you a dime, except when you standing in street corner with a brown coin collection bag? NAZI German Nationalists would have built a descent industry that would secure you a job and maybe even a wife not made out of rubber. You would have been part of 50% not the 99%. Soon you will be standing in the soup kitchens, it is coming to a country near you.

November 8th, 2011, 7:15 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

There is a reason to gloat, but not the one you thought

The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
عااااااااجل جداً ::::::: يرجى العلم أنّ صفحة الجيش السوري الحر قد تم تهكيرها ، وأنّ الهاكر لا يظهر عن وجه الصفحة الجديد من أجل الإيقاع بالأعضاء
وقد بدأت الصفحة المهكرة في بث السم بالدسم من خلال – اطلاق تعبير – المجلس الخائن عن المجلس الوطني

November 8th, 2011, 7:18 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

SUBSTANCE PLEASE

I think this would be much to ask from a reptile alien Syrio-nazi.

November 8th, 2011, 7:20 pm

 

jad said:

الإسلاميون «يلتهمون» الربيع العربي..
والعروبة تدفع ضريبة الأنظمة

طلال سلمان
تتزاحم قوى كونية عظمى وقيادات عربية، بينها الملكي المذهّب والإسلامي المموه بالقدسية، والمستولد حديثاً من رحم العصر الأميركي والخارج مدحوراً من المواجهة مع المشروع الإمبراطوري الإسرائيلي على نعي «العروبة» وكل ما يمت إليها بصلة مثل «القومية العربية» وصولاً الى إنكار وحدة الوجدان العربي.
يتم طمس أية ملامح محتملة للعروبة في أي عملية تغيير جرت او يجري الإعداد لإتمامها في هذا القطر او ذاك من الأقطار العربية، مشرقاً ومغرباً.
تُصَفَّح الثورة بالشعار الإسلامي وقد أعيدت صياغته بما يتناسب مع «قيم العصر»… الأميركي، وهكذا يصبح «مدنياً» وتسقط منه «الأحكام الشرعية» التي تخص المرأة وقواعد السلوك.
من باب أولى أن تسقط فلسطين من البيانات التأسيسية وخطاب الاحتفال بالنصر، وأن يعاد الاعتبار الى اليهود المحليين كمواطنين صالحين متساوين في الحقوق والواجبات مع أتباع الديانات الأخرى، بينما يختفي أي ذكر لإسرائيل.
لكأنما هذه الثورات التي تزلزل الأنظمة العربية فتسقطها إنما تهبط من الفضاء الخارجي، لا تنبع من ارض الناس ومن قلوبهم ومن آمالهم وأمانيهم المكسورة، ومن طموحاتهم الى مستقبل أفضل يرون أنفسهم جديرين به، ولديهم كل الاستعداد لأن يقدموا التضحيات الغوالي من أجل بنائه.
وبالتأكيد فإن «الثوار» الذين فاجأهم السقوط السريع لبعض أنظمة الطغيان لم يكونوا قد اعدّوا أنفسهم لاستلام السلطة. ولقد أربكهم ذلك السقوط المباغت فزاد اضطرابهم وتشققت صفوفهم التي اجتمعت تحت راية المعارضة ولم تكن قد تلاقت على قواسم مشتركة فكرية وسياسية، كما أنهم – بمجموعهم – لم يكونوا يملكون مشروعاً سياسياً وبرنامجاً للحكم. حتى أعظمهم تجربة، كالإخوان المسلمين في مصر، لم يكن جاهزاً لاستلام السلطة وتحمل مسؤوليات العهد الجديد بكل أثقال تركة النظام المتهالك الذي كان يمسك بمفاصل البلاد جميعاً في الإدارة والعمل الشعبي عن طريق تنظيمه الحكومي من دون ان ننسى القوات المسلحة، وهو من اختار قياداتها العليا وفق معاييره وارتباطاته السياسية ومنظوره الى بلاده والمنطقة من حوله.
كانت التعبيرات السياسية عن العروبة في أسوأ حالاتها: الأحزاب التي طالما حملت الرايات قد التهمتها السلطة، فدمرت المؤسسة السياسية وحقرت الشعار حينما جعلته مجرد ستارة تموه الحكم الفردي وتغطيه عبر أشكال تنظيمية مفرغة من أي مضمون.
تساوت أحزاب السلطة، وبمعزل عن شعاراتها، في انها القناع الشعبي للحكم الدكتاتوري… وهكذا دفعت الوطنية والعروبة الضريبة مرتين: اذ هي مستبعدة عملياً عن القرار الذي سوف تتحمل – معنوياً – مسؤوليته السياسية.
أي ان العروبة، وهي حاصل جمع الوطنيات، كانت الضحية الأولى للأنظمة التي حكت باسمها, من ظل على إيمانه بها صيَّره النظام معارضاً ورأى فيه الخصم وكاشف تزويره، وبالتالي فقد خصه بالاضطهاد حتى يتسنى له الادّعاء بأنه الممثل الشعبي الوحيد للإرادة الوطنية وللقضية القومية.
صحيح أن الأنظمة القائمة كانت ترى في التنظيمات الإسلامية، والإخوان في الطليعة، خصوماً، لكنها سرعان ما اكتشفت أن المساومة معهم ممكنة، وبالتالي فمن السهل شراء صمتهم او حتى تأييدهم بقبولهم في النادي، عبر السماح لهم بحرية حركة محدودة، وإشراكهم في البرلمان المعين، مقابل أن يتولوا الدفاع عنه والتوحد معه في معاركه ضد خصومه العقائديين في الأحزاب ذات الهوية الراديكالية، وطنية وعربية بالضرورة، وتبرير سياسته التي قاتلوها ذات يوم، لا سيما ما يتصل بالصلح مع إسرائيل (التي لم تعد «العدو») والتعامل التجاري معها بمنطق الأمر الواقع.
صارت العروبة – بما هي الوطنية – طليعة أعداء النظام وموضع حربه المفتوحة… وقد انطبق هذا التوصيف على الشيوعيين والماركسيين عموماً بعدما أنجزوا نقدهم الذاتي لانحرافهم في الماضي، وعادوا الى الشارع الوطني كمناضلين من اجل التغيير، التحاقاً بالإرادة الشعبية.
في مصر، على سبيل المثال، لم يتبق في الشارع كتنظيمات علنية او شبه علنية الا الفرق الإسلامية المختلفة، منظمة أو شبه منظمة، وأبرزها الإخوان.. أما الأحزاب العقائدية ذات الشعار العربي فقد أحرقتها السلطة، في العراق وفي سوريا وفي اليمن. انتهى الشيوعيون مع سقوط حكمهم في الجنوب بمجزرة ذهبت بالحزب جميعاً، ثم دخل من تبقى منهم نعيم السلطة في الشمال، جنباً الى جنب مع القبائل وبعض الفرق الحزبية العربية.
بالمقابل فإن الحركة الناصرية لم تكن في أي يوم حزباً. كانت تحزباً للقائد، ولنظامه استطراداً، فلما رحل جمال عبد الناصر انتبه الناصريون أنهم بلا رأس وبلا قيادة فعلية، خصوصاً بعد انقلاب السادات في 15 أيار (مايو) 1971.
وإذا كان يمكن اعتبار الناصرية في مصر حزب الحاكم أيام الرئيس الراحل جمال عبد الناصر، فإن الحركات التي تحمل هذه التسمية مباشرة او بالتورية في مختلف الأقطار العربية ولا سيما في الشرق قد فقدت «المركز» كمصدر وموجه ومثال. وهكذا فقد تحولت الى تجمعات محدودة التأثير، لا سيما أن نظام الخلف في مصر قد اندفع الى أبعد مما قدرت الأحزاب والحركات السياسية وقوى النخبة… فقام أنور السادات بزيارة تتجاوز أي خيال الى الكيان الإسرائيلي، ثم اندفع الى معاهدة الصلح، وسط تهالك عربي عام، عكسه غياب الشارع وكذلك تواطؤ العديد من الأنظمة العربية بالصمت الذي يدل على الرضا او بالمواجهة اللفظية عبر تكتلات مؤقتة بين معترضين (جبهة الصمود والتصدي) جمع الخوف أطرافها أكثر مما جمع بينهم الإصرار على مواصلة النضال ضد إسرائيل.
وفي مواجهة معاهدة الصلح مع العدو الإسرائيلي تصرفت أنظمة الرفض بعدائية استنفرت عصبية المصريين، إذ أحسوا ان «العقوبة» إنما تطالهم أكثر مما تطال النظام الذي خرق المحظورات وكسر المحرم.
ثم كانت الحرب على العراق بعدما غزا صدام حسين الكويت، وانقسام العرب معسكرات، انضم بعضها الى الجيوش الأميركية وهي تقاتل لطرد الجيش العراقي من الكويت… وانتهت بمكافأة سياسية كانت محكومة بالفشل تمثلت في مؤتمر مدريد للسلام الذي أريد منه تهدئة الغاضبين من الأنظمة العربية بمكافأة قد تختلف شكلاً عن معاهدة الصلح المصرية – الإسرائيلية ولكنها لا تقدم حلاً لجوهر المسألة، أي حقوق الفلسطينيين في أرضهم.
وهكذا توفر المبرر لقيادة منظمة التحرير لكي تذهب الى صلح منفرد آخر بالشروط الإسرائيلية عبر اتفاق أوسلو الذي يمكن تلخيصه بأنه قد ادخل «الثوار» السابقين الى»سلطة» في ظل الاحتلال الإسرائيلي، لا تقرِّب الفلسطينيين من حلم الدولة وإن كانت تباعد بينهم وبين سائر إخوانهم العرب… فمع الإقليميات والكيانيات تضيع وحدة المصير، بل يسعى كل نظام عربي الى توفير الضمانات التي يحتاجها لاستمراره ولو على حساب وحدة الأمة او أمنها القومي او مصالحها المشتركة.
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من مصر، الى ليبيا، الى تونس، الى الجزائر فالمغرب، ومن فلسطين الى سوريا يتبدى وكأن الشارع العربي لم يعد فيه من التنظيمات ذات الحضور الشعبي إلا الإسلاميون.
إن الأصوات ترتفع في أنحاء عدة تنادي بحكم الشريعة.. وإن ظل الأعظم وعياً من القيادات الإسلامية ينادي بالجبهة الوطنية ويتعهد بعدم الانفراد بالسلطة، وإصراره على إشراك «سائر المناضلين» معه في بناء العهد الجديد.
وإذا كان الإسلاميون يتبدّون موحدين في تونس وفي ليبيا التي لم تعرف الحزبية إلا حديثاً، فإنهم في مصر، تنظيمات عدة، وإن ظل أبرزهم الإخوان، في حين ان هذه الحركة التي كانت تسعى الى الأممية تعاني من انشقاقات تضع بعضها في مواجهة البعض الآخر، أما في الأردن فهم يحاولون الحفاظ على وحدتهم عبر التوحد في معارضة النظام ما عدا رأسه: الملك.
وباختصار، يبدو وكأن العروبة قد اندثرت مع الأنظمة التي تهاوت فسقطت او هي على وشك السقوط، في حين ان العروبة كانت الضحية الأعظم لتلك الأنظمة التي سرقت منها راياتها والشعارات وحكمت باسمها بعدما اضطهدت قياداتها بالسجن او بالنفي او بإغراءات السلطة.
ربما لهذا تتبدى الأنظمة الملكية التي تتستر بالشعار الإسلامي وكأنها في موقع المنتصر ورائد «الربيع العربي» وقاعدة إمداده بالمال والسلاح.. والدعم الدولي!. فاجتماعات المعارضين تتم في العواصم المذهّبة، وفيها تصاغ البيانات الثورية، وعبر اجتماعاتها فيها يتم استدراج التدويل وتشريعه وتمويله أيضاً.
إنها فرصة نادرة لهذه الأنظمة المذهّبة كي تخوض معركتها الأخيرة مع العروبة، التي كانت ترى فيها التهديد الجدي لعروشها، اذ هي تتيح لها الفرصة للظهور بمظهر راعي عملية التغيير وقائد حملة الاندفاع الى الغد.
وماذا تريدون من العروبة أكثر من الكوفية والعقال المذهّب والعباءة من حرير؟
أليس هذا هو بالضبط الربيع العربي: ولبس عباءة وتقرعيني؟

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November 8th, 2011, 7:22 pm

 

bronco said:

#266 Jad

Turkish has shown to be very reluctant to get involved militarily or even to help the FSA to perfom attacks from Turkish land.
They know it is like playing with fire and that they could be drawn in a war on their borders as the Syrian army will surely retaliate. In addition the Turkish Opposition is not in agreement with such move.
Turkey is being pressed by the Syrian die-hard opposition who are seeing the situation slipping out of their hands with the fall of the armed deserters in Bab Amro and the determination of Bashar to eradicate the FSA, despite the outcries of the AL and the media.

Erdogan is using a conservative approach: Waiting to see the outcome of the AL initiative, then reassess the situation and how they can help, not how they can pour more oil on the fire.
They are still not sure whether Bashar will survive the crisis or not.
They have realized in the last few months that they don’t understand the Arabs. They are on a learning curve. So until then, they play low key.

November 8th, 2011, 7:31 pm

 

jad said:

It seems that the mighty page of fsa wasn’t hacked yet 😉

الجيش السوري الحر
يبدو أننا في زمن الشتائم…
ثورتنا العظيمة للأسف تضم الكثير من المتسلقين…
مع كامل احترامنا للجميع…. نحن من يقاتل على الأرض… والبقية يتقاسمون الوطن
ما الفرق بينكم وبين النظام؟
اذا كنا لمجرد نشر خبر عن وجود خونة حتى صفحاتنا الحرة قامت بمهاجمتنا……
للأسف
للأسف….
ولكن نعد ثوارنا الأحرار….. نقسم بدمائكم الطاهرة…. نحن مستمرون بالنضال…..
لآخر قطرة من دمائنا….
لم نحلم يوماً بمنصب…. ولا نريد ولائم…. تقاسموها واتركوا لنا حب الوطن…
عهداً لك علينا يا زينب الحصني….نعاهدك يا حمزة…… نعاهد جميع ثوارنا أننا لن نسامح من خاننا….. وسعرهم لدينا بسعر النظام البائد…
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November 8th, 2011, 7:41 pm

 

jad said:

Dear Bronco
Don’t you think that all the armed activities in Edlib and the northern borders are attempts for that region to become ‘THE’ place for Turkey to justify crating the buffer zone that every one of their arrogant junta talk about to the media in every chance they have?

November 8th, 2011, 7:46 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Mr. SANA

The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
نحن نعرف أنّ عصابة النظام لا تكاد تتخيل المجلس الوطني السوري لما يعكسه هذا المجلس من تمثيل لقوى الشعب السوري ، ولذلك ما فتئت عصابة النظام بمحاولاتها أن تهاجم المجلس بكل الوسائل الممكنة حتى ولو كانت إحدى هذه الوسائل أن تلبس قناع صفحة الجيش السوري الحر بعد تهكيرها وتهاجم المجلس ورئيسه ، ولا تتفاجأوا إذا قاموا بمدح هيئة التنسيق الوطني !!! نعلنها واضحة وضوح الشمس أن الشعب السوري قد اختار المجلس الوطني السوري ممثلاً له

November 8th, 2011, 7:46 pm

 

jad said:

No more poetic bold headlines, how sad 🙁

الجيش السوري الحر
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيـــــــــــــــــم…
بيان هام صادر عن المجلس الإعلامي للجيش السوري الحر..
خلال ساعتين من الآن سيظهر المقدم رياض الأسعد في فديو مصور يكشف فيه الكثير من الخبايا……
انتظروا التوضيح… نرجوا عدم استخدام العبارات المسيئة فهي ليست من شيم المؤمنين ….
مقتطفات من حديث المقدم رياض الأسعد:
إذا كان البعض عندما شعر بأن الثورة اقتربت من النصر أراد الإنفراد بالغنائم نقول له….. نحن لا تعنينا غنائمكم…. نحن تعنينا سورية الحرة…
لن ننافس أحد على رئاسة الجمهورية
لا نريد وزارة الدفاع….
نحن أبناء سورية الحرة….نفديها بأرواحنا ومالنا وأبنائنا…. فقط لتصبح حرة … وإن نصر الله لقريب..

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November 8th, 2011, 7:57 pm

 

irritated said:

Radwan Ziadeh on Empire, Al Jazeera: a speaking cockroach.

A real asset for the SNC.

November 8th, 2011, 8:19 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

BOLD SAD

To be free
Is never sad
To love a tyrant
Is pathetic
****
To parrot the liars
Is really bad
To feel your people’s pulse
Is poetic
*****
To defend a murderer
Is really mad
To fight for dignity
Is aesthetic
*****
So go on with SANA
Or Dunya, Mr. Jad
The taste, the feeling
Are but emetic

Sorry No Emoticons

November 8th, 2011, 8:24 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

Why do the ALciada paid terrorists keep on calling this traitors act a false name, they say:

الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد

Why not call it for what it is:

الثورة الأسلامية ضد الشعب السوري
الثورة الوهابية ضد الأمة السورية
الثورة الخآنة لتقسيم الوطن السوري

November 8th, 2011, 8:25 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

It is surprising that all the Arab countries you mentioned are not signatories of the refugee convention…Nevertheless, I think Lebanon owes moral responsibility to not maltreat Syrian refugees…I always thought that It would be rather unusual if the Lebanese do not feel for the Syrians but hay, I always thought Syrians can’t possibly commit the atrocities we have witnessed over the last 8 months so I can be wrong and I often am.  

In regard to Turkey, I agree they are laying low waiting for the AL “emergency meeting”.  It would be rather stupid to commit to anything before the final decision of the AL.  I don’t necessarily think they are a big fan of Bashar nor do I think that a buffer zone had been completely ruled out by the Turks. 

November 8th, 2011, 8:29 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

@ JAD #166 Thanks for the historic photograph of Hafez Assad on pilgrimage in Mecca.
http://www.presidentassad.net/images/Hafez_Assad_Pictures/Assad%20Hafez%20Haj.jpg

@ JAD #273. You are wrong and Bronco #271 is right. You didn’t read or absorb what I posted at #139, #232, #260, also #160 ZOO. Here’s one line of repeat for you:

On 7 Oct 2011 Bashar Assad is quoted saying: “[Officials] coming from Turkey behave like Obama’s spokespeople. They come to me telling that Obama wants this or that. The U.S. maintains an ambassador in Damascus, they come and tell us [what they want] anyway. It saddens us to see our Turkish brothers repeating the same words.” http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=8216erdogan-changed-not-me8217-2011-10-07

7 Nov 2011. Turkish sources speaking to asharq al-awsat cited Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu about his country’s readiness to impose a buffer zone all along the borders to protect the civilians and stressing that his country “has the readiness and ability to impose the buffer zone but we need an Arab and international cover.” http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27239

On 7 Nov 2011 the top U.S. official at NATO, Ivo Daalder, said: “There has been no planning, no thought, and no discussion about any intervention into Syria. It just isn’t part of the envelope of thinking, among individual countries and certainly among the 28 [full NATO members]. If things change, things change. But as of today, that’s where the reality stands…. There are three things we need to look for before we even think about the possibility of action [against Syria or any other country] …. (1) a demonstrable need, (2) regional support, and (3) sound legal basis for action. None of them apply in Syria.” http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/11/07/daalder_we_re_not_even_thinking_about_intervening_in_syria

2 Nov 2011: Egypt’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Amr Kamel saluted Syria, its leadership and President al-Assad for their wisdom and their prioritizing of what’s in Syria’s national interest to keep Syria strong and united…. Iraq’s Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari expressed appreciation of the Syrian leadership’s wisdom…. Oman’s Foreign Affairs Minister Yusuf bin Alawi said that this success could not have happened if it wasn’t for President al-Assad’s wisdom…. http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/11/02/379589.htm

November 8th, 2011, 8:30 pm

 

bronco said:

Jad #273

Yes, you are right. I think it is the aim of the opposition to create the “Benghazi” in Edlib after having failed in Hama.
This explained the no mercy reaction from the regime.

Yet, I am not sure Turkey is enthusiastic about it, it would create a lot of internal and external problems that could last a long time and they are well aware of it. They will help only at the last resort and when the AL will admit failure and give the green light for a military intervention ( which I seriously doubt they’ll do)

Check this excellent article posted by Zoo about the long term danger of “buffer zones” and extra territorial armed insurgency for Turkey

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=11827&cp=all#comment-282043

November 8th, 2011, 8:30 pm

 

Ghufran said:

تلاحم و تناغم الشعب و السلطه في السعوديه
قلق السعودية ونظامها الملكي كان واضحا في تصريحات ولي العهد الأمير نايف بن عبد العزيز الذي أكد في مؤتمر صحفي قبل بدء الحج مباشرة أن “المملكة مستعدة لمواجهة كل الأمور مهما كانت وستستخدم الطرق السلمية في معالجة أي حدث أو فوضى وستضطر لمنعها إذا حدثت.”

وردا على سؤال لبي بي سي إذا كانت الرياض محصنة من امتداد المد الثوري العربي، قال الأمير نايف “ما يحدث في بعض الدول الشقيقة شأن داخلي وأثبت الواقع في المملكة تلاحم الشعب بقيادته وثقة قيادته بالشعب، وثقة الشعب بالقيادة”. وأكد علماء الدين السعودي في خطبهم كثيرا على عدم مشروعية الخروج عن الحاكم، فطاعة الحاكم من طاعة الله كما يقولون. ففي الخطبة التي ألقاها من مسجد نمرة في يوم عرفة، قال مفتي السعودية الشيخ عبد العزيز بن عبدالله آل الشيخ إن ” الالتحام بين الراعي والرعية يعد إحدى خصائص الشريعة الإسلامية”، وإن “الراعي يسعى لتفقد رعيته وحل مشكلاتهم، والرعية تحب راعيها وتدعو له.”

November 8th, 2011, 8:38 pm

 

Ghufran said:

مأمون الحمصي

دعا محمد مأمون الحمصي – في لقاء مع اليوم السابع – المجلس الوطني السوري , و رئيسه برهان غليون , الى الاستقالة فوراً , معللاً ذلك , بـ عدم استجابتهم لـ طلب الشعب و الثورة , بـ فرض الحماية الدولية , و الحظر الجوي , لـ حماية المتظاهرين السلميين

و لم يقف هنا , بل هاجم الحمصي , برهان غليون , متهماً إياه بـ الانتهازية , و تجميل الكلمات و الالفاظ , و قال في ذلك : نحن لا نشك في براعة غليون , و لا في كلامه المعسول , و لا كننا لا نثق به , خاصة و أن تاريخه , حافل بـ التقلب و الانتهازية

و شكك الحمصي , فيما ادعاه المجلس , بأنه يلقى تأييد 80 بالمئة , من الشعب السوري , و اتّهم الحمصي ,  فى إشارات غير مباشرة , قنوات , على التكريس , و الدعاية لـ المجلس الوطنى السوري , لـ تمرير مخطط أشرفت عليه دولاً بـ عينها ، لـ تفادى سقوط نظام بشار الأسد ، وتقاسُم من يدّعون أنهم يمثلون الشعب السورى , اي – المجلس الوطنى – , تقاسمهم  السلطة مع النظام , و الذى أراق دم ابنائه ، بـ الإضافة إلى منع القناتين المذكورتين , من بث آراء بعض المعارضين , و الذين يرون موقفاً مغايراً , لما تراه الدول المشرفة على صفقة إتمام ما يسمى بـ الحوار بين النظام والمعارضة

___________________________

November 8th, 2011, 8:48 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara #279

I am glad you raised that point.
Syria is not signatory but they received not 100 or 7,000 but more than one million Iraqis refugees to whom they provided assistance, schooling and medical services. No Angelina Jolie here.
How many Egypt got? How many rich Saudi Arabia got? How many the US got?
Talking about morals, this high gesture from Syria cannot be forgotten and Syrians should be proud that their government opened their arms to people fleeing persecution from a war organized by Western countries who keep claiming they care about Human rights.

We know that the Western countries talk nice, but when it comes to disturb slightly their comfortable lives, their selfish interests come first.

November 8th, 2011, 8:48 pm

 

zoo said:

Gül to Syria: Do not use PKK against us

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=gul-to-syria-do-not-use-pkk-against-us-2011-11-08

Syria should not even consider sheltering members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) or using the group as a pawn against Turkey, Turkish President Abdullah Gül has told Damascus while also noting Ankara’s flourishing ties with Washington.

“I would strongly suggest and would expect that [Damascus] would not get involved in such a dangerous game,” Gül said in recent comments to the Financial Times. “Even though I do not think they would do that, we are still closely following the matter.”

Gül made the comments in the wake of a devastating attack last month by the PKK that killed 24 Turkish troops in the eastern province of Hakkari’s Çukurca district. The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the United States and others.

Gül also pushed back at Iran’s efforts to depict Turkey’s line on Syria as a bid to curry favor with Washington. “When we talk to Iran, we always tell them that we are not against the Syrian regime due to pressure imposed by any other country. It is because of and for the people of Syria.”

Last week, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan hailed ongoing anti-regime protests in Syria as a “glorious resistance” and promised that Turkey would continue to display the necessary “attitude” against Damascus’ crackdown. Erdoğan also expressed regret that the Syrian government had not appreciated Turkey’s friendship and had disregarded its calls for reform.

Gül also said bilateral relations between Turkey and the U.S. had never been better, rejecting Iranian claims that Ankara was merely following Washington’s bidding.

“The period we are going through is the healthiest relations that we have ever had with the U.S,” he said.

“Turkey’s success, especially during the last decade, has impressed the Arab world,” said Gül, adding that his country’s secular, democratic, free-market and Muslim characteristics. “For that reason, they are following us closely and for that reason we have indirect influence.”

This week, Washington announced plans for its first significant arms sale to Turkey since 2009 – a $111m attack helicopter deal. U.S. officials announced the plans to sell three AH-1 Super Cobra helicopters to Ankara following the Oct. 19 attacks.

Speaking about NATO radar, another point of contention between Turkey and Iran, Gül said the system did not single out Tehran. “No single country should be pointed out as an enemy; rather, this is a system against missiles.”

The U.S. has said the system is designed to ward off attacks from Iran, a view that Turkey strongly resists.

Iran has criticized Turkey for agreeing to allow NATO to station an early-warning radar in the southeast of the country to serve as part of the alliance’s missile defense system.

The president also said Ankara would press on with its bid to join the European Union even though some EU member states have begun to alienate public opinion with their “negative attitudes.”

Issuing a pointed aside in regards to Turkey’s low budget deficit and government debt, he said, “At the moment, we are doing much better than most of the EU countries in terms of the Maastricht criteria.”

November 8th, 2011, 8:57 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Syria: 30 years on, are sanctions finally starting to pinch?
November 09, 2011 01:06 AM
By Brooke Anderson
The Daily Star

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2011/Nov-09/153428-syria-30-years-on-are-sanctions-finally-starting-to-pinch.ashx#axzz1d9tDBEFV

On Monday, citing anecdotal evidence, U.S. State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said the Assad government is beginning to feel the “pinch” of U.S. and EU sanctions.

“We do believe that the sanctions that we have put on Syria, that the EU in particular has put on Syria are beginning to pinch,” Nuland told reporters.

And late last month the Syrian Prime Minister Adel Safar told journalists in Damascus the economy was being “affected” by the ongoing developments in the country, without referring specifically to sanctions.

And despite no immediate sign of change on the ground, some say the agreement by the Syrian government on an Arab League plan last week represents a subtle switch from the usually defiant government policy toward outside pressure 
……..
In September, Syrian Finance Minister Mohammad al-Jleilati told Reuters that it could sidestep oil sanctions from the EU, which accounts for at least 90 percent of Syria’s energy market, by selling oil to Russia and China.

“We will either refine it … or sell it directly to Russia, China or any country that accepts to buy our extra oil,” Jleilati told Reuters. “Otherwise we will keep it as reserves.”

China has said it would only be interested if the oil were sold at a huge discount, and Russia, an energy exporter, is even less likely switch to Syrian oil.

But last week Lithuania banned Syrian cargo planes from crossing its airspace amid concerns that they could transport military cargo, in line with EU sanctions, the Defense Ministry said.

Syria’s state oil company Sytrol last Thursday announced that it had canceled a tender to sell 50,000 tons of fuels – a possible sign that oil firms are concerned about sanctions. Meanwhile, on Wednesday Swiss refiner Petroplus said it had to switch from Syrian to Iraqi crude.

Not everyone favors sanctions.

November 8th, 2011, 9:01 pm

 

jad said:

A poem especially for me and in Bold title and end, the signature of our mentally disturbed hamster..How romantic!
Thanks, here you go the Emoticon you love 🙂

Dear Ghufran,
Be careful of posting any news that doesn’t please the ‘special’ hamster otherwise he will write you a ‘poem’! Poor hammy, he doesn’t know any better 😉

November 8th, 2011, 9:11 pm

 

zoo said:

Abdel Halim Khaddam, Ex-Syrian VP expects “Gaddafi end” to Assad

Published November 8th, 2011 – 10:37 GMT
The former Syrian vice president Abdel Halim Khaddam has urged the international community to intervene militarily in Syria in order to stop the “massacres” committed by “war machine” of Bashar al-Assad’s regime. Khaddam added during a press conference held in Paris that “the Syrian people will not stand idly by in front of the violence.” He stressed that “violence will force the Syrians to take up arms to defend themselves.”

However, he stressed he didn’t call to take up arms but for military intervention by the international community similar to what happened in Libya.

Khaddam conveyed that “the events taking place in Syria hit the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad with insanity.” He thus expected Assad the same fate of Muammar Gaddafi. ”

Khaddam called on Arab states to “shoulder its responsibilities in helping the brothers in Syria,” stressing that “the United Nations and foreign governments now have to take actions to stop the Syrian war machine.” Khaddam also slammed Russia and China, who used their veto right in the Security Council to prevent the adoption of specific measures against the regime of Bashar al-Assad, after “bowing to the Iranian pressure.”

http://www.albawaba.com/news/ex-syrian-vp-expects-gaddafi-end-assad-400244

November 8th, 2011, 9:14 pm

 

Norman said:

Bronco,

Thanks for reminding everybody of the good deeds that Syria did over the years by helping many refugees, Arabs and not, now Syria is seeing that many do not deserve it.

It is sad to see how Arab ism is going to be the victim of this chaos that the Arab world is going through.

November 8th, 2011, 9:25 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The last time I checked,hamster and I love poetry and love Syria ,we do not have to agree on everything,right hamster and jad?
الاختلاف لا يفسد للود قضيه
عاشت سوريا بمحبة و تضحيات أبنائها

November 8th, 2011, 9:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

التيار الصوفي في مصر
القاهرة: تهديدات إسرائيل بتوجيه ضربة عسكرية لإيران، للتصدي لما وصفته بـ”الأخطار الإيرانية”، دفعت الشيخ علاء ماضي ابو العزائم، شيخ الطريقة العزمية وأحد أبرز أئمة الطرق الصوفية في مصر، إلى أن يُعلن استعداده لحشد الدعم في مواجهة هذه التهديدات.

وأكد الباحث المصري في شؤون التيارات الدينية والطرق الصوفية، مصطفى زهران، لـ “أنباء موسكو” أن الشيخ الصوفي على  الثقة باستحالة ضرب طهران من قبل ما أسماه بـ “قوى الغطرسة الأمريكية” و”التحالف الصهيو أمريكي” وأن قوة طهران العسكرية لا يمكن بأي حال من الأحوال الإستهانة بها، على حد وصفه.

وشدد الباحث المصري على أن ابو العزائم قال “إنه في حال تحقق ذلك فستكون الطريقة العزمية وأبنائها من المريدين والمنتسبين إليها على أهبة الإستعداد للقتال جنباً الى جنب بجوار ايران، داعياً إلى فتح باب الجهاد للتصدي للهجوم الإسرائيلي والدفاع عن دولة إسلامية”.

وأشار زهران إلى أن ابو العزائم دعا القوى الإسلامية والتيارات السياسية المختلفة داخل مصر أن تكون مدركة لمثل هذه المخططات التي تستهدف وحدة وأمن الدول العربية والإسلامية، وأن تقف بجوار الجمهورية الإيرانية لمجابهة ما وصفه بـ “الخطر الصهيو امريكي” .

وفي ختام تصريحه أكد ابو العزائم على أن طهران عاصمة إسلامية والمساس بها أمر لا يمكن السكوت عنه من قبل بقية الدول الإسلامية، مشدداً على ضرورة الوقوف أمام الدعوات الراغبة في تقسيم الأمة إلى قطبين شيعي وسنى، حسب قوله.

ويرى الباحث في شؤون التيارات الدينية والطرق الصوفية أن تصدرهكذا تصريحات من شخصية في حجم أبو العزائم إنما يعكس المناخ العام السائد في مصر بأن التيار الديني الإسلامي لن يقبل المساس بأرض إسلامية او عربية أخرى وتكرار تجربة أفغانستان والعراق… خاصة وان المنطقة وفي ظل الثورات القائمة لا تتحمل الدخول في صراعات ومعارك جديدة تقضى على الأخضر واليابس.

November 8th, 2011, 9:35 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Hamster,
This piece is from Mahmoud darweesh page

أهديك ذاكرتي على مرأى من الزمنِ

أهديك ذاكرتي

ماذا تقول النار في وطني

ماذا تقول النار؟

هل كنتِ عاشقتي

أم كنت عاصفةً على أوتار؟

وأنا غريب الدار في وطني

غريب الدار..
(خفف العيار حياتي اته)

November 8th, 2011, 9:40 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco,

Read this:

“What Makhlouf, a businessman with no title, no official capacity save his membership in the president’s family, suggested was that Syria belonged to them: its property and people, their aspirations and fate, their history and their future. In essence, consciously or not, he gave voice to the sign that has long marked the crossing for visitors across the rocky wadis dividing Lebanon and Syria.”

“In Assad’s Syria, There Is No Imagination”

http://www.yalibnan.com/2011/11/08/in-assad’s-syria-there-is-no-imagination”/

NOVEMBER 8, 2011 ⋅ 9:19 PM 
FILED UNDER  ASSAD, LEBANON, SYRIA
by Anthony Shadid

The House of Assad evokes an imperial sense of power, or at least its trappings, with iconography that one scholar described as infused with “laudatory slogans and sempiternal images.”

But my first impression of Rami Makhlouf, President Bashar al-Assad’s cousin and one-time confidante, was of his unassuming quality. Here was a tycoon, a figure as rich as he was loathed, who eschewed formalities and ceremony. I had seen it before, in men like Saad Hariri, a former prime minister in Lebanon, lavished with so much privilege and so much wealth that pretensions become unnecessary. Even his most brazen threats seemed more pleading than menacing, as if I should understand the logic behind them. Don’t the Israelis know that they will suffer if we do; don’t the Europeans; don’t the Americans realize that we are the bulwark before forces that they can’t imagine — Islamists, chaos, wars roiling an already combustible region?

By the end of several hours interviewing Makhlouf in May, it was not pomp, not imagery and not detachment that denoted the imperium. It was the pronouns. The way he used them said much about how power has been exercised in the Arab world and why it has finally begun to crumble.

“We believe there is no continuity without unity,” he told me. “As a person, each one of us knows we cannot continue without staying united together.”

He echoed an Arabic proverb – alaya wa ala aadai’i ya rab.

Translated loosely, it means that we won’t go down alone.

“We will not go out, leave on our boat, go gambling, you know,” he told me at his plush, wood-paneled headquarters in Damascus. “We will sit here. We call it a fight until the end.” He added later: “They should know when we suffer, we will not suffer alone.”

What Makhlouf, a businessman with no title, no official capacity save his membership in the president’s family, suggested was that Syria belonged to them: its property and people, their aspirations and fate, their history and their future. In essence, consciously or not, he gave voice to the sign that has long marked the crossing for visitors across the rocky wadis dividing Lebanon and Syria.

“Assad’s Syria,” it reads.

Deprived of a popular mandate, or even consent, Arab leaders have long searched for the instruments to show their power was an entitlement. Sometimes they are symbols, meant to convey legitimacy. Anwar Sadat mined the 1973 war, when Egyptian troops overwhelmed Israeli defenses on the Suez Canal. He turned to Islam, casting himself as “The Believer President.” His successor, Hosni Mubarak, tedious and taciturn, saw the very notion of stability as legitimizing his rule. Bashar al-Assad’s father, Hafez al-Assad, looked far and wide, too. His rule was meant to seem eternal, as his images were omnipresent. “The Leader Forever,” his portraits read. But his success relied not on his regime’s ability to end a volatile chapter of Syrian history that saw dozens of attempted coups over more than 20 years, or the modernization of infrastructure and education, or his service to the poor and rural, like him, who represented his base. It was his ability to inculcate a suffocating cult of personality, buttressed by fear, often the most visceral sort, the kind that once led Egyptians to quip that the only place where it was safe to open your mouth was the dentist’s office.

Hafez al-Assad was sophisticated, and the dour visage that he fostered was supposed to suggest a certain cunning, an understanding of how pervasive fear could be. He built the wall brick after demolished brick in Hama, where his regime’s crushing of an uprising in 1982 is one of the bloodiest chapters of the modern Arab world. He tended to that wall, too, with the machinations of an inveterate plotter who understood the sectarian dynamics of the country — he ensured that every sect shared in the bloodletting in Hama — and who knew that loyalty was best fostered by reliance on family and sect, namely his own Alawite clan, a heterodox Muslim group that accounts for about 10 percent of the population.

This was Syria of the Assads: rendered in their image, haunted by their phobias and ordered by their machinations.

Bashar seemed to think he was different. With his Sunni Muslim wife, education abroad and upbringing in the privileged circles of Damascus, where the children of poor Alawite officers from the countryside mixed with those of the moneyed elite, he lacked his father’s edge. He seemed to take pride in an everyman quality, frequenting restaurants and driving his own car. He made it clear that he wanted to be liked. Rare is an official who visits Bashar and doesn’t find him amiable, even humble. And so he presided over a brief opening after taking power in 2000, called the Damascus Spring. (His regime soon crushed it). He inaugurated a veneer of consumerism in the capital Damascus and Aleppo, Syria’s second-largest city. He dismantled the façade of the grim police state in both those cities and promised the bromide of every authoritarian leader: a China-style economic liberalization whose very success would mitigate the need for political reform.

For a time, his seeming humility brought a measure of support his father never enjoyed. Even today Turkish officials, once his admirers and now plotting against him, rue what they see as a missed opportunity. Had he introduced sweeping reform and held elections before the uprising erupted in March, they say, he surely would have won. But Bashar believed his own aura. In those days, he declared his state immune from the upheavals of Egypt and Tunisia. He insisted that his foreign policy, built rhetorically on enmity with Israel, opposition to American hegemony and support for the kind of resistance preached by Lebanon’s Hezbollah, reflected the sentiments of an Arab world long humiliated by its impotence.

His father, a poor boy who proved he was more, would have known better. Sheltered by a royal court, Bashar seemed oblivious to a drought-stricken countryside seething under the sway of utterly unaccountable security forces. He overlooked crimes that his family and the state had committed. He had forgotten that in the calculus of the imperium his father created, the instrument through which Bashar really exercised power, fear made more sense than adulation, whatever his modernizing pretensions. Even today, eight months after an uprising and a ferocious crackdown that, by the United Nations’ count, has killed more than 3,000 people and, by the Arab League’s estimate, put more than 70,000 in jail, people who have seen Bashar contend that he still doesn’t recognize the severity of the challenge. This summer, Turkish officials actually offered him their own intelligence to persuade him that the information coming from his people was bad, incomplete and misleading. They were telling him what he wanted to hear. But since then, the old truths have returned, and his regime has fallen back on the premise of his father’s rule. It has sought to restore the wall of dread between ruler and ruled.

What support today it enjoys is almost entirely of a negative sort,” the International Crisis Group wrote this month. “Fear of sectarian retribution, Islamism, foreign interference, social upheaval or, more simply, anxiety about the unknown.”

As in Iraq, Syria’s neighbor to the east, the clichés of superficial analysis that preceded tumult now threaten to come true: Us or chaos. The regime posed as the guardian of Syria’s diversity, even as the House of Assad and its lieutenants relentlessly stirred that diversity so as to divide and rule. Pitting community against community, never in a more pronounced way than now, it may finally bring forth the civil war that it long claimed it was the bulwark against.

In their ambition at least, the Arab revolts and revolutions were about a positive sort of legitimacy: democracy, freedom, social justice and individual rights. They remain an unfulfilled promise, but no one in Egypt, Tunisia or Libya is really afraid to speak anymore. The cacophony that has ensued is the most liberating feature of rejuvenated societies. It already echoes in parts of Syria. When I was in Hama this summer, a city still scarred by memory and for a brief moment freed from security forces, youths embraced their new space by protesting every couple of hours in streets made kinetic by the allure of self-determination. They demonstrated simply because they could. In Homs, a city whose uprising could prove Syria’s demise or salvation, youths drawn from an eclectic array of leftists, liberals, nationalists, Islamists and the simply pissed-off articulated the essence of courage: They had come too far to go back.

“In the end, I’m a person now,” a young activist named Iyad told me in Homs. “I can say what I want. I love you if I want to love you, I hate you if I want to hate you. I can denounce your beliefs or I can support them. I can agree with your position or disagree with it. But I’m a person now.” He dragged on his cigarette, and we shared more tea. “We’re not waiting to live our lives until after the fall of the regime,” he went on. “We started living them the first day of the protests.”

His country, though, is not yet liberated. Not in the sense of a dictator’s fall, or a coup vanquishing the family, or a rebel army entering Damascus or Makhlouf sailing off in the boat he swore never to board. Syria is still subsumed in the logic of fear, which forces once diverse societies to hew to their smaller parts, obliterating the ability to imagine broader communities and other identities. Beyond a set of principles, or promises so vague as to inspire more fear, no one has described the Syria of tomorrow. Not Assad, who offers his people a path back to the 1980s, when a stern government presided over a dreary economy with the grimace of a police state. But the opposition hasn’t really either, and that lack of vision has left frightened minorities more aligned with the regime.

There may someday be a vision for Syria and the Middle East that draws on their past, where ancient trajectories of the Ottoman Empire stitched together a landscape that often embraced its many identities. There is probably a future in which loyalties are less to the state and more to those antique metropoles like Aleppo, Tripoli, Mosul or Beirut, which often answered questions of community better than the contrived countries that absorbed them. The term might be post-Ottoman, where borders that never made all that much sense are encompassed by connections from Cairo to Istanbul, Maydan to Basra, and Marjayoun to Arish, in which people can imagine themselves as Alawite, Levantine, Arab, Syrian, Eastern — or some hybrid that transcends them all.

But none of that is possible until the smallest identities are protected. A Tunisian Islamist named Said Ferjani told me a few weeks ago that such safeguards and guarantees would require what he called “a charismatic state.” It was the antithesis of all those sempiternal leaders, presiding over imperiums with hollow slogans and manipulating society’s components with cynicism portrayed as principle. A charismatic state could mend itself, reform, adapt and heal when it failed in its fundamental task, delivering the rights and duties of citizenship. And only in citizenship, he told me, could diversity be preserved and protected. Citizenship, he seemed to suggest, would permit us to become greater than our parts. It would allow us to imagine.

Toward the end of the interview with Makhlouf, over a dinner of fish, he warned of a zero-sum future, Syria falling into the hands of militant Islamists, infused with intolerance and bent on vengeance.

“We won’t accept it,” he told me, his words blending notions of entitlement, ownership, power and fear. “And we have a lot of fighters.”

In Assad’s Syria, it still seems, there is no imagination.

November 8th, 2011, 9:43 pm

 
 

bronco said:

#294 Tara

Sorry, Tara , either I am tired or the article is very difficult to read.
It is full of convoluted sentences and a precious vocabulary. I could not understand much of it, except that the author ultimately dislikes the Assad and Makhlouf. He could have said it in two plain sentences instead of these complicated sentences.
A scoop piece of journalism: boring and no convincing.

Shadid usually write more readable and accessible articles.

November 8th, 2011, 10:08 pm

 

ann said:

*** NOTICE WHAT OBAMA SAID: “I HAVE TO DEAL WITH HIM EVERY DAY”
*** REUTERS SPIN AND DAMAGE CONTROL CHANGED OBAMA’S WORDS TO
*** “I have to deal with him even more often than you”
*** POOR POOR `bibi THE BUTT JOKE OF ANTI-SEMETIC WORLD LEADERS

Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a “liar” – 6 hrs ago

Watch the video to hear what Obama’s really said:

http://news.yahoo.com/sarkozy-told-obama-fed-israeli-pm-092347721.html

PARIS (Reuters) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “a liar” in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week’s G20 summit in Cannes.

“I cannot bear Netanyahu, he’s a liar,” Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

“You’re fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,” Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.

The technical gaffe is likely to cause great embarrassment to all three leaders as they look to work together to intensify international pressure on Iran over its nuclear ambitions.

The conversation was not initially reported by the small group of journalists who overheard it because it was considered private and off-the-record. But the comments have since emerged on French websites and can be confirmed by Reuters.

White House press secretary Jay Carney declined to comment on the conversation when asked by reporters traveling with Obama to an event in Philadelphia.

Obama’s apparent failure to defend Netanyahu is likely to be leapt on by his Republican foes, who are looking to unseat him in next year’s presidential election and have portrayed him as hostile to Israel, Washington’s closest ally in the region.

Pushing Netanyahu risks alienating Israel’s strong base of support among the U.S. public and in Congress.

Netanyahu’s office declined to comment, but one of his deputies, Vice Premier Silvan Shalom, played down the episode.

“Everyone talks about everyone. Sometimes even good friends say things about each other, certainly in such competitive professions,” Shalom, a former foreign minister and rival of Netanyahu in the rightist Likud party, told Israel’s Army Radio.

“So you have to consider the main things. Is Obama a friend of Israel? Is Sarkozy a friend of Israel? Is their policy a consistent policy of support for Israel? The answer to all of these questions is affirmative and, as far as I’m concerned, that is what’s important.”

PALESTINIAN WORRIES

Obama and Netanyahu have had a rocky relationship as U.S. efforts to broker a Middle East peace deal have foundered, with the U.S. president openly criticizing Jewish settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories.

It was unclear why exactly Sarkozy had criticized Netanyahu. However, European diplomats have largely blamed Israel for the breakdown in peace talks and have expressed anger over Netanyahu’s approval of large-scale settlement building.

During their bilateral meeting on November 3, on the sidelines of the Cannes summit, Obama criticized Sarkozy’s surprise decision to vote in favor of a Palestinian request for membership of the U.N. cultural heritage agency UNESCO.

“I didn’t appreciate your way of presenting things over the Palestinian membership of UNESCO. It weakened us. You should have consulted us, but that is now behind us,” Obama was quoted as saying.

The October 31 UNESCO vote marked a success for the Palestinians in their broader thrust for recognition as a sovereign state in the U.N. system — a unilateral initiative fiercely opposed by Israel and the United States.

As a result of the vote, Washington was compelled to halt its funding for UNESCO under a 1990s law that prohibits Washington from giving money to any U.N. body that grants membership to groups that do not have full, legal statehood.

Obama told Sarkozy that he was worried about the impact if Washington had to pull funding from other U.N. bodies such as the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization and the IAEA nuclear watchdog if the Palestinians gained membership there.

“You have to pass the message along to the Palestinians that they must stop this immediately,” Obama said.

The day the conversation took place, the Palestinians announced that they would not seek membership of any other U.N. agency.

Sarkozy confirmed that France would not take any unilateral decisions when the U.N. Security Council discusses a Palestinian membership request, a debate expected later this month.

“I am with you on that,” Obama replied.

November 8th, 2011, 10:10 pm

 

jad said:

YMG, Bronco,
Thank you both for the reply.
You are right in your rational analysis of Turkey’s position and I agree, that escalating the situation is not in the best interest of Turkey in the long term, however, my point is that by making trouble at the moment in the border area to be used as a reason for Turkey to get involved and creates the buffer zone that it announced and keep talking about since day one of the struggle, which will become a heaven for a military action.
This is why people in the northern border and Edleb area are warning about and it make sense to be careful for such disastrous plan on Syria.
Yes Turkey is very cautious in what its leaders say to the media, but its position is vague yet dangerous since it keeps giving hopes for the defected army as well as to the SNC which make them hyper and excited to a very high level without giving them anything in reality and that by itself is dangerous because if it doesn’t deliver what it promised, the excited party is most likely to become desperate and more violence which in result can burn everything for nothing rewarding at the end.
If as Bronco wrote Turkey is waiting for the AL meeting on Saturday and then it’ll go with its plans of sanctions and probably a buffer zone then why the government doesn’t be ready for such scenario and do some constructive moves to calm down the situation?

November 8th, 2011, 10:11 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@292. Ghufransaid:

Hell, now I am falling in love with Islam already, may go to the Hajj if few more million Moslems will start behaving like this

القاهرة: تهديدات إسرائيل بتوجيه ضربة عسكرية لإيران، للتصدي لما وصفته بـ”الأخطار الإيرانية”، دفعت الشيخ علاء ماضي ابو العزائم، شيخ الطريقة العزمية وأحد أبرز أئمة الطرق الصوفية في مصر، إلى أن يُعلن استعداده لحشد الدعم في مواجهة هذه التهديدات.

I always thought Hassan Banna initially has the right idea.

November 8th, 2011, 10:56 pm

 

bronco said:

Is the Syria internal opposition finally allowed to play a role in resolving the conflict?

The AL invites the NCC and Binaa-Suria (The Syrian Internal Opposition Blocks) to Cairo for talks: The SNC is furious

“Syria opposition inside the country are heading to Cairo to meet Arab League secretary general as AL initiative seemed to be failed, according to foreign reports as Syria`s regime crackdown on protesters have been escalating especially in Homs city which becomes a hop of protesting against the regime.

On Tuesday, reports said that a National Committee for Democratic Change (NCC) delegation is going to meet Nabeel al-Arabi in Cairo in order to discuss Syria unrest along with AL initiative and peace plan.

Other Syria opposition groups outside, such as the SNC, criticized this delegation and doubt its rule at Syria unrest as NCC has been trying to reach a deal with the regime inside Syria, according to SNC members.

In turn, the NCC speaker Hassan Abdel Azim announced that they have been invited to meet AL secretary general in Cairo on Wednesday.

Abdel Azim said the delegation will consist of members of NCC inside and outside the country. He added that Michel Kilo & Haytham Manna will be in the delegation.

For his part, another opposition group inside country Binaa-Syria said he is going also to take part at the meeting at Arab league HQ in Cairo.

In a statement which DP-News received a copy of it, Binaa-Syria announced that its group will participated at delegation which is going to meet AL secretary in Cairo in order to apply more pressure at Syria`s regime to apply its part at the AL peace plan, according to the statement.

Binaa-Syria also invited all Syrians to apply a national dialogue conference all over the country as Syria`s regime still applying its crackdown on protests. Binaa-Syria urged all parties and groups to apply a road-map for Syria which starts basically from the terms of AL initiative, according to the statement that DP-News got a copy of it.

Binaa-Syria and National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change, which are Syrian Internal Opposition blocs, had welcomed the Arab league resolution on Syria and urged Syria`s regime to stop violence immediately and apply a national dialogue.

On the ground inside Syria, reports about clashes and casualties are still streaming at media as Syrian forces and troops are keeping fighting what it called “Armed Terrorist Groups” at many areas in Syria.

Syrian cities now also has an armed wing, including military defectors who have switched sides. How many people have taken up arms against the government is unclear. The opposition has not called for an armed rebellion, but it has lauded army defectors as heroes.

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=102606

November 8th, 2011, 11:00 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

“…The former Syrian vice president Abdel Halim Khaddam has urged the international community to intervene militarily in Syria ..”

Well of course, he is not Syrian, he travel on Saudi bedouin passport and have a french residency. So yeah, go and bomb my former country that made me millionaire, put me as President so I rob the country of few more millions and will hand Syria over to NATO and go spend the stolen cash in Monaco.

November 8th, 2011, 11:03 pm

 

ann said:

Syriac Catholic Patriarch Warns West of Sectarian Violence in Middle East

Don’t be ‘naive’ about Arab Spring, says Ignatius Joseph III Younan of Antioch.

11/08/2011

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/syriac-catholic-patriarch-warns-west-of-increasingly-sectarian-violence-in-/

Syria is in the throes of an eight-month uprising against President Bashar al-Assad’s rule. But does the so-called “Arab Spring” bode well for Christians in the Middle East?

Syriac Catholic Patriarch Ignatius Joseph III Younan of Antioch is not so sure. He has been deeply concerned by the uprising and increasing violence in Syria.

A native of Hassakeh, Syria, Patriarch Younan is the shepherd of approximately 150,000 Syriac Catholics worldwide, with about 30,000 to 40,000 in Syria, about 50,000 in Iraq and some 25,000 in the United States and Canada.

In 1995, Pope John Paul II appointed him as the first bishop of the newborn diocese of Our Lady of Deliverance for Syriac Catholics in the United States and Canada, based in New Jersey. Younan had established the diocese soon after his arrival to the U.S. in 1986, under the guidance and assistance of Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, who was archbishop of Newark at that time.

He was elected by the Syriac Catholic Synod held in Rome on January 20, 2009, as patriarch of the Syriac Catholic Church of Antioch. Along with Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, prefect of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches, Patriarch Younan served as a co-president of the October 2010 Special Assembly of the Synod of Bishops for the Middle East in the Vatican.

He spoke with Register correspondent Doreen Abi Raad at the patriarchate in Beirut, Lebanon, about the unsettling reality of the situation in Syria.

What is your assessment of the situation in Syria?

The problem we are facing now — and many of us Church leaders had predicted this — is that it’s becoming a confessional (religious) struggle. This is the reality.

We are not supporting any regime. However, we call for a real dialogue.

Syria needs a lot of reforms. It needs a multiparty system of government and freedom of speech. But those reforms have to be accomplished through dialogue. We in the Church are all for reforms, but those reforms have to be executed or accomplished through dialogue and peaceful means.

If the aim is to change the political system, it’s got to take some time, and since the people want that change for the good of their country, they have to be kind of patient and find a way to make those needed reforms.

We need a kind of neutral third party that could unite those who are in conflict (with each other). That means the Syrian government and the opposition. From what we understand of the claims of the opposition (in Syria), they just want to crash the system of the government. But pushing just to topple the government will have very bad consequences.

Isn’t this the hoped-for outcome of the “Arab Spring” — for a regime to fall?

We fear that the kind of pressure put on just requiring the fall of the government in Syria will have disastrous consequences, even worse than in Iraq. And this chaos, surely — with no means to implement security — will lead to civil war.

This civil war doesn’t mean political parties that struggle to control the power. It will be confessional (religious), and war in the name of God is far worse than a political struggle. And this is what we fear.

The two factions in the population, Sunni and Alawite, are not going to accept each other and live along with each other while there is a profound reciprocal hatred. Should we not remind ourselves of the horrible confessional wars back in the European history? Christians are stuck between both communities (Sunni and Alawite) because we don’t have the desire or the ambition to control the government or to topple it, and we don’t stand with any confession. Therefore, the Christians are the most vulnerable.

What should the international community be doing?

Most of us think that the Western countries are following an opportunism that is not for the good — neither for the peoples living in the Middle East nor for Islam nor for the whole civil world — that means the community of nations.

What the West likes to understand of the so-called Arab Spring, is really kind of naive. Most of the regimes in this region, aside from Lebanon, are not democratic. Most of them are not civil-supporting regimes, which means they deny religious freedom to those who are not Muslims.

They (the Western world) believe in democracy and civil rights. But they are not pushing for true democratic reforms in this region. Instead, they just want to change political systems which they think are dictatorial systems into an unknown system where the very, very respect of civil rights is absent. By civil rights we mean not only the freedom of speech and civil rights of all citizens, but civil rights to implement the religious freedom to all. That means to implement a civil society that respects the charter of human rights as already stipulated by the U.N. in 1948 (the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights”).

We expect from the free world to defend the principles of liberty and true democracy for all, and not just to promote that the majority represented in a country should assume power. This is unfair to those minorities who are the most vulnerable, like Christians, who have been living in those countries for a long time, before Islam.

Then why do Christians keep emigrating from these countries? It is because there is no political system that respects their religious identity.

Therefore, the international community should really re-examine their positions. Because even if now they are defending what they call the civil rights of those people opposing the dictatorial regimes, a time will come when they will be — I’m talking about the Western nations — rejected by those whom they supported. This could lead to an increase in terrorism.

The Western nations must have not only their proper interests in mind, because we know what the Middle East represents in the economical realm: oil. The international community needs to look at the people in the Middle East as human beings who need fair development in the social, economical and political fields. It seems that economic opportunism and an aim to divide the Middle East keeps interfering in the life of this region.

As the shepherds of Christians, our duty is to speak out. Although we don’t mingle in politics, we already have the experience of our multi-sect history, from living in this region and witnessing the very horrible reality of Iraq. It is our duty to speak. The Church has always defended the civil rights of all human beings, whatever their race, ethnicity or religion.

Surely, it’s not easy to foresee the future. We pray and hope for a more peaceful and reasonable solution in Syria, as well as in other Middle Eastern countries like Iraq and Egypt.

November 8th, 2011, 11:03 pm

 

ann said:

Winds of War Start Blowing Toward Iran – November 9, 2011

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27551

The last few days have seen tensions over Iran take a sharp turn for the worse. Some feel that the US and Israel should combine to strike at Iranian nuclear facilities. This is reminiscent of those who encouraged NATO to hit Syria a few weeks ago.

Other countries that take an anti-Western stance, like North Korea, have also faced similar threats before. Even with bigger countries like China and Russia, elements in the US have also clamored for an attack to eliminate their nuclear power once and for all.

It seems that Cold War victories entrenched a “bomb first, ask questions later” attitude to international problem-solving for the Allies.

There used to be a major worry about Iran’s retaliatory ability. This seems to be dwindling.

The public impulse to attack Iran is gaining traction among US and Israeli policymakers. Listening to the public is vital, but there are other factors that make the Western attitude to war both frivolous and reckless.

The financial crisis is showing cracks in the Western lifestyle, making people anxious and irritable. History teaches us that war can quickly raise its ugly head at such times. There are always those who think wars can be a catalyst to move past a crisis.

While the US and other Western countries are struggling economically, their military power reigns supreme. This contrast is inevitably tempting in their strategic thinking but would have a profoundly negative impact on world peace.

War has not plagued most developed countries at home for over half a century. And attacking Iran would not yield victims on their own territories.

The definition of war has changed for the Western bloc. Small casualties suffered in recent wars has led to a more muted anti-war sentiment in the West than the furor seen during the Vietnam War.

Many people say that the democratic system is most effective in preventing wars. But the US has taken part in many conflicts since the Cold War ended. Its excuse to pursue justice only holds up through the prism of American values. The root cause of endless wars is that they are regarded by the US as the quickest way to achieve its interests. US democracy has not become a device to stop wars.

Emerging countries are busy with economic development. No big power among them seeks war. Military rhetoric is usually heard from Western mouths. Where will the next war happen? War first exists in the minds of those obsessed with military might. If war is treated as a tool to solve problems, new excuses for it can easily be found.

Whatever its aims, war wreaks disaster and engenders the human catastrophe. This fact should not be ignored by Western powers simply because it will take place overseas. Humanitarian concerns should transcend all boundaries.

November 8th, 2011, 11:10 pm

 

jad said:

Bronco, YMG,
Please read this article by Micho:

سياسات تركيا الحائرة
الكاتب: ميشيل كيلو – التاريخ: 9 ﻧﻮﻓﻤﺒﺮ 2011
المصدر: جريدة الشرق الأوسط
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ﻋﻨﺪ ﺑﺪاﯾﺔ اﻷﺣﺪاث، ﻗﺎل رﺋﯿﺲ اﻟﻮزراء اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ اﻟﺴﯿﺪ رﺟﺐ ﻃﯿﺐ أردوﻏﺎن إﻧﮫ ﯾﻌﺘﺒﺮ اﻟﻮﺿﻊ اﻟﺴﻮري ﺟﺰءا ﻣﻦ اﻟﻮﺿﻊ اﻟﺪاﺧﻠﻲ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ وﺳﯿﺘﻌﺎﻣﻞ ﻣﻌﮫ ﺑﺼﻔﺘﮫ ھﺬه. ﺑﻌﺪ ﺣﯿﻦ، ﺷﺮح أردوﻏﺎن ﻣﻌﻨﻰ ﻛلاﻣﮫ، ﻓﺄﻋﻠﻦ أﻧﮫ ﻗﺪم ﻣﻨﺬ وﻗﺖ ﻃﻮﯾﻞ ﻧﺼﺎﺋﺢ ﻣﺘﻜﺮرة إﻟﻰ ﺻﺪﯾﻘﮫ وأﺧﯿﮫ اﻟﺮﺋﯿﺲ ﺑﺸﺎر اﻷﺳﺪ ﺣﻮل ﺿﺮورة اﻟﻘﯿﺎم ﺑﺈﺻلاح داﺧﻠﻲ ﻓﻲ ﺳﻮرﯾﺎ، وزﻋﻢ أﻧﮫ ﺗﻠﻘﻰ ﻣﻨﮫ وﻋﻮدا ﺑﺘﻨﻔﯿﺬ إﺻلاﺣﺎت ﺗﻘﯿﻢ ﻧﻮﻋﺎ ﻣﻦ اﻟﺘﻮاﻓﻖ ﺑﯿﻦ اﻟﻮﺿﻌﯿﻦ اﻟﺪاﺧﻠﯿﯿﻦ ﻓﻲ اﻟﺒﻠﺪﯾﻦ اﻟﺠﺎرﯾﻦ واﻟﺸﻘﯿﻘﯿﻦ.. ﺗﻘﺮب ﻋلاﻗﺎت اﻟﺴﻠﻄﺔ اﻟﺴﻮرﯾﺔ ﻣﻊ ﺷﻌﺒﮭﺎ ﻣﻦ اﻟﻨﻤﻮذج اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ اﻟﻘﺎﺋﻢ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﺤﺮﯾﺎت واﻟﺘﻌﺪدﯾﺔ اﻟﺴﯿﺎﺳﯿﺔ واﻟﺘﻮﺟﮫ اﻟﺪﯾﻤﻘﺮاﻃﻲ اﻟﻐﺮﺑﻲ اﻟﻨﻤﻂ، ﻓﺘﺘﻌﺰز ﻣﻦ ﺧلال اﻹﺻلاح أواﺻﺮھﻤﺎ اﻟﺘﻲ ﺑﻠﻐﺖ ﺷﻮﻃﺎ ﻣﺘﻘﺪﻣﺎ ﻣﻦ اﻟﺘﻨﺴﯿﻖ، ووﺻﻠﺖ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺻﻌﯿﺪ اﻟﻘﯿﺎدﺗﯿﻦ واﻟﺸﻌﺒﯿﻦ إﻟﻰ ﻣﺴﺘﻮى ﺣﻤﯿﻢ وﻋﺎﺋﻠﻲ، اﻷﻣﺮ اﻟﺬي أﻋﻄﻰ أردوﻏﺎن ﺣﻖ ﺗﻘﺪﯾﻢ اﻟﻨﺼﺢ، واﻟﺘﺪﺧﻞ ﺑﻘﻮة اﻟﺸﺮاﻛﺔ اﻟﻮﻃﯿﺪة ﻓﻲ ﺗﻔﺎﺻﯿﻞ وﻣﺘﻄﻠﺒﺎت اﻟﺸﺄن اﻟﺴﻮري، ﺧﺎﺻﺔ أﻧﮫ ﯾﺸﺒﮫ ﻣﻦ ﻧﻮاح ﻋﺪﯾﺪة اﻟﺸﺄن اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ، وﯾﻤﻜﻦ ﻟﻤﺠﺮﯾﺎﺗﮫ وأزﻣﺎﺗﮫ أن ﺗﺘﺮك أﺛﺮا ﺟﺪ ﺳﻠﺒﻲ
ﻋﻠﻰ ﻣﺸﻜلات إﺳﻄﻨﺒﻮل اﻟﻘﻠﻘﺔ إذن ﺑﺤﻖ ﻣﻦ وﺻﻮل اﻟﺤﺎل اﻟﺴﻮري إﻟﻰ اﻟﺪرﺟﺔ اﻟﺘﻲ ﺑﻠﻐﺘﮭﺎ، وﺗﺠﻌﻞ ﺗﺪﺧﻞ أردوﻏﺎن ﺿﺮﺑﺎ ﻣﻦ ﺗﺪﺑﯿﺮ وﻗﺎﺋﻲ داﺧﻠﻲ ﯾﺮاد ﻣﻨﮫ ﺣﻤﺎﯾﺔ اﻟﻨﻤﻮذج اﻟﺬي ﯾﺘﻢ ﺑﻨﺎؤه ﻋﻠﻰ ﺿﻔﺎف اﻟﺒﻮﺳﻔﻮر، وﺗﻌﻠﻖ ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ آﻣﺎﻟﮭﺎ ﻋﻠﯿﮫ ﻓﻲ ﻛﻞ ﻣﺎ ﻟﮫ ﻋلاﻗﺔ ﺑﺘﺨﻄﻲ ﻣﺸﻜلات ﺣﺎﺿﺮھﺎ وﻣﺴﺘﻘﺒﻠﮭﺎ.
ﺑﮭﺬا اﻟﺘﺼﺮﯾﺢ واﻟﺸﺮح، اﻋﺘﻘﺪ ﻛﺜﯿﺮ ﻣﻦ اﻟﻤﻌﻠﻘﯿﻦ أن ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﻣﺮﺷﺤﺔ ﻷن ﺗﻜﻮن رأس ﺣﺮﺑﺔ اﻟﺘﺪﺧﻞ اﻟﺨﺎرﺟﻲ اﻵﺗﻲ ﺣﺘﻤﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺳﻮرﯾﺎ. وﻗﺪ ﺗﺒﻨﻰ ﺳﻮرﯾﻮن ﻛﺜﯿﺮون ھﺬه اﻟﻔﻜﺮة، وزاد ﻣﻦ رﺳﻮخ اﻋﺘﻘﺎدھﻢ ھﺬا ﻛﺜﺎﻓﺔ اﻟﺘﺼﺮﯾﺤﺎت اﻟﺘﺮﻛﯿﺔ ﺣﻮل اﻟﺤﺪث اﻟﺴﻮري وﻛﺜﺮة زﯾﺎرات ﻣﺴﺆوﻟﻲ اﻟﺘﺮك إﻟﻰ دﻣﺸﻖ، وﺗﻌﺪد اﺗﺼﺎلاﺗﮭﻢ اﻟﮭﺎﺗﻔﯿﺔ ﻣﻊ اﻟﺮﺋﯿﺲ اﻷﺳﺪ وﻣﻌﺎوﻧﯿﮫ، وﺗﻨﻮع الاﻗﺘﺮاﺣﺎت اﻟﺘﻲ ﻗﺎﻟﻮا إﻧﮭﻢ ﻗﺪﻣﻮھﺎ إﻟﯿﮫ، وإﻋلاﻧﺎت ﻧﻔﺎد اﻟﺼﺒﺮ اﻟﺘﻲ ﺻﺪرت ﻋﻨﮭﻢ واﻧﺘﮭﺖ ﺟﻤﯿﻌﮭﺎ إﻟﻰ ﺗﺄﻛﯿﺪ اﺳﺘﺤﺎﻟﺔ وﻗﻮﻓﮭﻢ ﻣﻜﺘﻮﻓﻲ اﻷﯾﺪي ﺣﯿﺎل ﻣﺎ ﯾﺠﺮي ﻓﻲ اﻟﺒﻠﺪ
اﻟﻤﺠﺎور. ﻛﺎﻟﻌﺎدة، ﻗﺮأ اﻟﻤﺤﻠﻠﻮن ﻓﻲ اﻟﻤﻮﻗﻒ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ أﺑﻌﺎدا اﺳﺘﺮاﺗﯿﺠﯿﺔ ﻗﺎﻟﻮا إﻧﮭﺎ ﺗﻜﺸﻒ ﺑﻮﺿﻮح ﻏﯿﺮ ﻣﺴﺒﻮق:
أولا: ﻣﻜﺎﻧﺔ ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﻣﻦ اﻟﻐﺮب ﻋﺎﻣﺔ وأﻣﯿﺮﻛﺎ ﺧﺎﺻﺔ، وﻣﺎ أوﻛﻠﺘﮫ اﻷﺧﯿﺮة إﻟﯿﮭﺎ ﻣﻦ دور ﻓﻲ ﻧﺸﺮ إﺳلاﻣﮭﺎ اﻟﻤﻌﺘﺪل ﺿﺪ ﻣﺪارس اﻹﺳلام اﻟﻤﺘﻄﺮف، ﻓﻲ إﻃﺎر ﺻﻔﻘﺔ ﺷﺎﻣﻠﺔ ﻋﻘﺪﺗﮭﺎ أو ھﻲ ﻓﻲ ﺳﺒﯿﻠﮭﺎ إﻟﻰ ﻋﻘﺪھﺎ ﻣﻊ ﺟﻤﺎﻋﺔ اﻹﺧﻮان اﻟﻤﺴﻠﻤﯿﻦ ﺗﻌﻄﯿﮭﺎ دورا رﺋﯿﺴﯿﺎ ﻓﻲ ﻣﺴﺘﻘﺒﻞ «اﻟﺮﺑﯿﻊ اﻟﻌﺮﺑﻲ»، ﯾﻌﻔﻲ اﻟﻐﺮب ﻣﻦ ﺗﺤﻤﻞ اﻟﻌﺐء اﻟﺮﺋﯿﺴﻲ ﻓﻲ ﻣﻮاﺟﮭﺔ اﻟﺘﻄﺮف اﻟﺪﯾﻨﻲ واﻟﻤﺬھﺒﻲ، ﺧﺎﺻﺔ ﻣﻨﮫ «اﻟﺒﻦ لادﻧﻲ» واﻟﺸﯿﻌﻲ.
وﺛﺎﻧﯿﺎ: ﺗﻨﺎﻓﺴﮭﺎ ﻣﻊ إﯾﺮان ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﻤﺸﺮق اﻟﻌﺮﺑﻲ ﻋﺎﻣﺔ وﺳﻮرﯾﺎ ﺧﺎﺻﺔ. واﻟﻨﺘﯿﺠﺔ: ﺣﺘﻤﯿﺔ ﻗﯿﺎم ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﺑﺸﻲء ﻣﺎ ﺣﯿﺎل اﻟﻮﺿﻊ اﻟﺴﻮري ﯾﻀﻤﻦ دور ﺣﻠﯿﻔﮭﺎ اﻹﺳلاﻣﻲ اﻟﻤﻌﺘﺪل، ﺟﻤﺎﻋﺔ «اﻹﺧﻮان»، وﯾﻀﻌﮭﻢ ﻓﻲ ﻣﻮﻗﻒ ﻗﺮﯾﺐ ﻣﻦ ﻣﻮﻗﻔﮭﻢ ﻓﻲ ﻣﺼﺮ وﻟﯿﺒﯿﺎ واﻟﯿﻤﻦ، وﯾﺨﺮج إﯾﺮان ﻣﻦ ﺳﻮرﯾﺎ، اﻟﺘﻲ ﻛﺎﻧﺖ أول ﺑﻠﺪ ﻧﺠﺤﺖ ﻓﻲ اﺧﺘﺮاﻗﮫ واﻟﺘﻤﻮﺿﻊ ﻓﯿﮫ، ﻓﯿﺘﻢ ﺑﺬﻟﻚ ﺿﺮب أﻟﻒ ﻋﺼﻔﻮر ﺑﺤﺠﺮ واﺣﺪ.
ھﺬه اﻟﺴﯿﺎﺳﺔ، اﻟﺘﻲ ﻧﺴﺒﺖ إﻟﻰ اﺳﺘﺮاﺗﯿﺠﻲ ﺗﺮﻛﻲ ﻛﺒﯿﺮ اﺳﻤﮫ رﺟﺐ ﻃﯿﺐ أردوﻏﺎن، ﻣﺎ ﻟﺒﺜﺖ أن اﻧﮭﺎرت ﻋﻠﻰ ﯾﺪﯾﮫ ھﻮ ﺑﺎﻟﺬات، ﻋﻨﺪﻣﺎ أﻋﻠﻦ ﺧﺮوج ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﻣﻦ اﻟﺸﺄن اﻟﺴﻮري وﻋﺰﻣﮭﺎ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻋﺪم اﻟﺘﺪﺧﻞ ﻓﯿﮫ ﺑﻌﺪ آﺧﺮ زﯾﺎرة ﻗﺎم ﺑﮭﺎ وزﯾﺮ ﺧﺎرﺟﯿﺘﮫ إﻟﻰ دﻣﺸﻖ.. أﻋﻠﻦ ﺧلاﻟﮭﺎ أن ﺑلاده ﻟﻦ ﺗﻘﻒ ﻣﻜﺘﻮﻓﺔ اﻷﯾﺪي ﺑﻌﺪ ﻣﺮور أﺳﺒﻮع واﺣﺪ، إذا ﻟﻢ ﯾﺘﻮﻗﻒ اﻟﻌﻨﻒ ﺿﺪ اﻟﻤﺘﻈﺎھﺮﯾﻦ وﯾﺘﻢ إﺻلاح ﯾﻠﺒﻲ ﻣﻄﺎﻟﺐ اﻟﺸﻌﺐ. ﺣﺪث الاﻧﺴﺤﺎب اﻟﻌﻠﻨﻲ ﻣﻦ اﻟﺸﺄن اﻟﺴﻮري ﺑﻌﺪ ﺗﺨﺒﻂ لا ﯾﻠﯿﻖ ﺑﺴﯿﺎﺳﺔ ﻛﺒﯿﺮة، ﺻﺪر ﺧلاﻟﮫ اﻟﺘﺼﺮﯾﺢ وﻧﻘﯿﻀﮫ ﻓﻲ ﯾﻮم واﺣﺪ، وأﺣﯿﺎﻧﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺳﺎﻋﺔ واﺣﺪة، ﻋﻠﻰ ﻟﺴﺎن اﻟﺸﺨﺺ اﻟﻮاﺣﺪ ﻋﯿﻨﮫ. ﻓﻲ ھﺬه اﻷﺛﻨﺎء، رﻣﻰ اﻟﻤﺘﻈﺎھﺮ ﺮون اﻟﺴﻮرﯾﻮن أﻋلام ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ اﻟﺘﻲ ﻛﺎﻧﻮا ﯾﺤﻤﻠﻮﻧﮭﺎ ﺑﺎﻋﺘﺰاز ﻣﻦ أﯾﺪﯾﮭﻢ، ورﻓﻌﻮا ﺑﺪلا ﻋﻨﮭﺎ لاﻓﺘﺎت ﺗﺪﯾﻦ اﻟﺘﻮاﻃﺆ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ، ﺛﻢ اﻧﻔﺠﺮ ﻏﻀﺒﮭﻢ ﺗﻤﺎﻣﺎ ﺑﻌﺪ ﺗﺴﻠﯿﻢ اﻟﻀﺎﺑﻂ
اﻟﻤﻨﺸﻖ ﻣﺤﻤﻮد اﻟﮭﺮﻣﻮش إﻟﻰ اﻟﺴﻠﻄﺎت اﻟﺴﻮرﯾﺔ، اﻟﺬي ﺑﺪا أﻧﮫ ﯾﻘﻠﺐ اﻟﻤﻮﻗﻒ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ رأﺳﺎ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻋﻘﺐ، أو ﺑﺎﻷﺻﺢ ﯾﻈﮭﺮه ﻋﻠﻰ ﺣﻘﯿﻘﺘﮫ، ﺑﻌﺪ أن ﺷﺠﻊ اﻟﻤﺘﻈﺎھﺮﯾﻦ وﻗﺪم وﻋﻮدا ﻗﺎﻃﻌﺔ ﺑﺪﻋﻤﮭﻢ، وﻗﺎل ﻛﻠﻤﺎت لا ﺗﺤﺘﻤﻞ اﻟﻠﺒﺲ ﺑﺄﻧﮫ ﯾﻘﻒ ﻣﻌﮭﻢ ﺑﻌﺪ أن ﻗﻄﻊ ﻋلاﻗﺎﺗﮫ ﻣﻊ اﻟﻨﻈﺎم، وﺗﺒﯿﻦ اﻵن أﻧﮭﺎ ﺗﺤﺘﻤﻞ اﻟﻜﺜﯿﺮ ﻣﻦ اﻟﻠﺒﺲ، وﺗﻤﺜﻞ ھﻲ ذاﺗﮭﺎ اﻟﺘﺒﺎﺳﺎ ﻛﺒﯿﺮا ﯾﻌﺘﻘﺪون أﻧﮫ ﻗﺪ ﯾﻜﻮن ﺟﺰءا ﻣﻦ ﻓﺦ ﻧﺼﺒﮫ اﻟﻐﺮب واﻟﻌﺮب ﻟﮭﻢ، ﺑﺪأ ﺑﺘﺸﺠﯿﻌﮭﻢ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺗﺼﻌﯿﺪ ﺗﻤﺮدھﻢ
وﺑﺈﻃلاق ﺗﮭﺪﯾﺪات ﯾﻮﻣﯿﺔ ﺻﺎرﻣﺔ ﺿﺪ اﻟﻨﻈﺎم، ﻗﺒﻞ أن ﯾﺘﺨﻠﻰ اﻟﺠﻤﯿﻊ ﻋﻨﮭﻢ وﯾﻌﻠﻨﻮا ﺑﺼﺮاﺣﺔ وﻓﻲ ﻓﺘﺮات ﻣﺘﺰاﻣﻨﺔ أو ﻣﺘﻘﺎرﺑﺔ رﻓﻀﮭﻢ اﻟﻘﯿﺎم ﺑﺄي ﺗﺪﺧﻞ ﻟﻨﺼﺮﺗﮭﻢ، اﻷﻣﺮ اﻟﺬي اﻧﻌﻜﺲ ﻋﻠﻰ ھﺘﺎﻓﺎﺗﮭﻢ، اﻟﺘﻲ ﻛﺮرت ﻛﺜﯿﺮا ﺧلال اﻟﺸﮭﺮﯾﻦ اﻟﻤﺎﺿﯿﯿﻦ اﻟﻘﻮل: ﯾﺎ اﷲ ﻣﺎ ﻟﻨﺎ ﻏﯿﺮك ﯾﺎ اﷲ!.
أﯾﻦ ﻏﺎب ﺣﻠﯿﻒ اﻟﺸﻌﺐ اﻟﺴﻮري، اﻟﺬي أﻋﻠﻦ ﻧﻔﺴﮫ ﺿﺎﻣﻨﺎ ﻷﻣﻨﮫ وﻣﺪاﻓﻌﺎ ﻋﻨﮫ ﻓﻲ وﺟﮫ اﻟﻌﻨﻒ اﻟﺬي ﯾﺘﻌﺮض ﻟﮫ؟
ھﺬا ھﻮ اﻟﺴﺆال اﻟﺬي ﯾﻄﺮﺣﮫ ﺳﻮرﯾﻮن ﻛﺜﯿﺮون ﯾﻌﺘﻘﺪون أن ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﺧﺎﻧﺘﮭﻢ، وأن رﺋﯿﺲ وزراﺋﮭﺎ، اﻟﺬي أﻟﺰم ﻧﻔﺴﮫ ﺑﺨﯿﺎر اﺳﺘﺮاﺗﯿﺠﻲ ھﻮ دﻋﻢ اﻟﺮﺑﯿﻊ اﻟﻌﺮﺑﻲ ﻋﺎﻣﺔ واﻟﺴﻮري ﺧﺎﺻﺔ، ﻟﻢ ﯾﻜﻦ ﻓﻲ اﻟﺤﻘﯿﻘﺔ ﻏﯿﺮ «ﻣﺨﺘﺎر» ﻗﺮوي ﻏﺮق ﻓﻲ ﻣﺴﺘﻨﻘﻊ اﻷزﻣﺔ، ﺑﻤﺎ أﻧﮫ ﺗﺨﺒﻂ ﺑﯿﻦ ﺳﯿﺎﺳﺘﯿﻦ ﻣﺘﻨﺎﻗﻀﺘﯿﻦ ﺗﻤﺎﻣﺎ، اﻧﺘﮭﺘﺎ إﻟﻰ ﺧﺮوﺟﮫ ﺑﺼﻮرة ﺗﻜﺎد ﺗﻜﻮن ﺗﺎﻣﺔ ﻣﻦ اﻟﺤﺪث اﻟﺴﻮري، وھﺎ ھﻮ ﯾﺘﺮاﺟﻊ ﻓﻲ اﻷﯾﺎم اﻷﺧﯿﺮة ﺣﺘﻰ ﻋﻦ ﻋلاﻗﺎﺗﮫ ﻣﻊ اﻟﻤﺠﻠﺲ اﻟﻮﻃﻨﻲ اﻟﺴﻮري، اﻟﺘﻨﻈﯿﻢ اﻟﻤﻌﺎرض اﻟﺬي ﺑﺪا أن ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﻋﻤﻠﺖ، أو ﺳﺎﻋﺪت، ﻋﻠﻰ ﻧﺸﻮﺋﮫ، وأﺻﺪرت ﺑﺎﻷﻣﺲ إﻋلاﻧﺎ ﯾﻘﻮل إن وﻓﺪا ﻣﻨﮫ ﻗﺎﺑﻞ ﻧﺎﺋﺐ وزﯾﺮ اﻟﺨﺎرﺟﯿﺔ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﻲ، وھﻮ إﻋلان ﯾﺜﯿﺮ اﻟﺪھﺸﺔ، ﺑﺎﻟﻨﻈﺮ إﻟﻰ أن ﻋﺪدا ﻛﺒﯿﺮا ﻣﻦ أﻋﻀﺎء اﻟﻤﺠﻠﺲ ﯾﻌﯿﺸﻮن ﻓﻲ إﺳﻄﻨﺒﻮل.. ﻓﮭﻞ أﺧﺬت اﻟﺴﯿﺎﺳﺔ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﯿﺔ ﺗﺘﺒﻨﻰ ﻣﻮﻗﻔﺎ ﯾﺸﺒﮫ ﻣﻮﻗﻒ روﺳﯿﺎ، اﻟﺬي ﯾﻨﺄى ﺑﻨﻔﺴﮫ
ﻋﻦ اﻟﻤﻌﺎرﺿﺔ اﻟﺴﻮرﯾﺔ، ﻟﻜﻨﮫ ﯾﺴﻤﺢ ﻷﺷﺨﺎص ﺷﺒﮫ رﺳﻤﯿﯿﻦ أو ﻣﻦ ﻣﺴﺘﻮﯾﺎت دﻧﯿﺎ ﻓﻲ اﻟﺤﻜﻮﻣﺔ ﺑﺎﺳﺘﻘﺒﺎل ﻣﻤﺜﻠﯿﻦ ﻟﮭﺎ ﺑﯿﻦ ﻓﯿﻨﺔ وأﺧﺮى، دون أن ﯾﻠﺰم ﻧﻔﺴﮫ ﺑﺄي ﺷﻲء ﺣﯿﺎﻟﮭﺎ!.
ﺑﯿﻦ رﻏﺒﺔ ﻓﻲ الاﻟﺘﺤﺎق ﺑﺄوروﺑﺎ ﻟﻢ ﺗﺘﺤﻘﻖ إﻟﻰ اﻵن، ووﻗﻮف ﻣﻊ اﻟﻘﺬاﻓﻲ ﺿﺪ اﻟﺸﻌﺐ ﻓﻲ ﻟﯿﺒﯿﺎ ﺛﻢ ﻣﻊ اﻟﺸﻌﺐ ﺿﺪ اﻟﻘﺬاﻓﻲ، ﺑﺤﻤﺎﺳﺔ ﻣﻔﺮﻃﺔ وﻣﺘﺄﺧﺮة، وﻣﻊ اﻟﺸﻌﺐ اﻟﺴﻮري ﻓﻲ ﺑﺪاﯾﺔ اﻷﺣﺪاث ﺛﻢ ﻋﻠﻰ اﻟﮭﺎﻣﺶ ﺑﻌﺪ أﺷﮭﺮ ﻋﻠﻰ وﻗﻮﻋﮭﺎ، وﺑﯿﻦ اﻟﺮﻏﺒﺔ ﻓﻲ أن ﺗﻜﻮن دوﻟﺔ ﺑلا ﻣﺸﻜلات ﻣﻊ ﺟﯿﺮاﻧﮭﺎ، ودوﻟﺔ ﯾﻠﻌﺐ ھﺆلاء ﺑﻤﺸﻜلاﺗﮭﺎ ﺧﺎﺻﺔ ﻣﻨﮭﺎ اﻟﻤﺸﻜﻠﺔ اﻟﻜﺮدﯾﺔ، ﺗﺒﺪو اﻟﺴﯿﺎﺳﺔ اﻟﺘﺮﻛﯿﺔ ﺿﺎﺋﻌﺔ أو دون ﺧﯿﺎرات اﺳﺘﺮاﺗﯿﺠﯿﺔ، ﻋﻠﻰ ﻋﻜﺲ ﻣﺎ ﻛﺎن ﯾﻘﺎل وﯾﻈﻦ
ﻏﺎﻟﺒﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺑﻠﺪاﻧﻨﺎ اﻟﻌﺮﺑﯿﺔ. وﺗﻌﺎﻧﻲ اﻟﺪوﻟﺔ اﻟﺘﻲ ﺗﺮﯾﺪ أن ﺗﺼﯿﺮ ﻗﻮة ﻛﺒﺮى ﻣﻦ ﻧﻘﯿﺼﺔ أھﻠﻜﺖ ﻣﻦ ﻓﺸﻠﻮا ﻗﺒﻠﮭﺎ ﻓﻲ ﺑﻠﻮغ وﺿﻊ ﻗﻮى ﻋﻈﻤﻰ، ﺧﺎﺻﺔ ﻣﻨﮭﺎ الاﺗﺤﺎد اﻟﺴﻮﻓﯿﺎﺗﻲ، ھﻲ اﻓﺘﻘﺎرھﻢ إﻟﻰ ﺳﯿﺎﺳﺔ ﻋﻠﯿﺎ ﻣﺘﻤﺎﺳﻜﺔ وﻋﻈﻤﻰ ﺣﻘﺎ، وﻏﺮﻗﮭﻢ ﻓﻲ ﺳﯿﺎﺳﺎت إﺟﺮاﺋﯿﺔ، ﺗﻜﺘﯿﻜﯿﺔ اﻟﻄﺎﺑﻊ، لا ﺗﺼﻨﻊ دولا ولا ﺗﺨﺪم ﻣﺼﺎﻟﺢ ﻛﺒﺮى، إلا إذا ﻛﺎن ﻣﺎ ﻧﺮاه ﻣﺠﺮد ﺧﺪاع، وﻛﺎن اﻟﻈﺎھﺮ ﻣﻦ دور ﺗﺮﻛﯿﺎ ﻟﯿﺲ دورھﺎ اﻟﺤﻘﯿﻘﻲ، ﻛﻤﺎ ﯾﻈﻦ اﻟﻤﻌﺠﺒﻮن ﺑﮭﺎ. ﻓﻲ ھﺬه اﻟﺤﺎل،
ﺳﻨﻜﻮن أﻣﺎم دور ﺳﯿﺄﺗﻲ ﻓﻲ ﺗﻮﻗﯿﺖ ﻏﯿﺮ ﺻﺤﯿﺢ، ﯾﺮﺟﺢ أن ﯾﻜﻮن ﻣﺮﺷﺤﺎ ﺑﺪوره ﻟﻔﺸﻞ أﻛﯿﺪ!

http://www.aawsat.com/leader.asp?section=3&article=648923&issueno=12034

November 8th, 2011, 11:20 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Syrian Nationalist Party,

Do you by any chance use Twitter or Facebook? If so, I would like to contact you. I am interested if the Nationalist party still has activity.

By the way, just some advice, don’t be too hard on Muslims. I realise we’re (though I’m not religious) the main party who is misled by the anti-nationalist wahabbi bullcrap that the British invented to destroy the Ottoman empire and now all countries in the middle east, but it’s best to recognise this and work against it rather than fueling the fire that the western scum have started.

We can put it out.

Also, contrary to your references from the bible the weather is going to become cooler (with it comes the ice and rainfall, yes I’m aware the idiotic global warming people will disagree but the data doesn’t lie). Syria needs all its territory, linking the Persian gulf to the mediterranian. Bright future awaits Syria, which is why they’re trying to take it away from us. I suspect this event has either already happen or is set to happen in the future.

Death to the backstabbing Arab scum. Syria above all. Syria the phoenix shall burn the earth if they try to extinguish it, humanity shall all start anew together, if it survives at all.

November 8th, 2011, 11:39 pm

 

jad said:

Mo is sad 🙁 he is asking for the romantic little bold poetic ‘Ham’ to write him a ‘poem’.
Hurry Ham don’t let Mo waiting…oh…Mo’s FB is hacked too!

Mohammad Al Abdallah
أرغب بالتوضيح أني بعد اليوم لست عضواً في المجلس الوطني السوري، ولا أمثل أي طرف سياسي. حقيقة لم يكن هذا هو المجلس الذي حلمت بالمشاركة فيه. خيبة أمل كبيرة. بقيت خلال الأسابيع الخمسة الماضية على أمل تعدّل وضع المجلس أو تحسّن الأمور داخله وإتضاح آلية صنع القرار. تم إخراجي من كل شيء، حتى من المكتب الإعلامي… لذلك قررت المغادرة طالما أنه لا حاجة لوجودي في المجلس.

سأتابع دعمي وعملي للثورة بدون تردد، وسأعبر في ذلك عن رأيي الشخصي كناشط حقوقي فقط.

November 8th, 2011, 11:44 pm

 

jad said:

Hi Syrian Commando, zaman!
What’s your take on the situation in Syria lately?

November 8th, 2011, 11:45 pm

 

bronco said:

Jad #298

There are two wars going on, one on the ground to ensure the best bargaining position, the other is diplomatic.

Turkey will never do anything obvious to counter the AL diplomatic initiative and will go along with its recommendations.
Remember that the AL has given misleading messages before their meeting as the rumor was that it would expel Syria from the AL. Turkey got ready to boost the SNC, but it turned out to be the opposite. The AL came out for a road map.
The SNC, against the advices of Turkey, rejected bluntly. In the contrary the NCC and the local opposition accepted it immediately as well as the regime.
Turkey found itself in limbo, and decided to play low key until the AL initiative unravels.
On the ground, the Syrian army needed to finish up with the defectors by Saturday so they could present their plan for full withdrawal to the AL. In case this plan is accepted, Turkey will be asked to stop its support to the FSA until it is clear that the withdrawal is executed successfully.

The NCC and the local opposition are declaring now that they want the dialog to proceed, despite the military operations.
They are invited to a meeting in Cairo with the AL before saturday.
If they are recognized by the AL at the sole representatives of the Syrian opposition, that would send shockwaves to the SNC and Turkey. Turkey would have to dump the SNC and follow the AL decisions. The stubborness of the SNC may cost it its irrelevance.

In my view Abdel Azim is a more genuine and respected leader than Ghalioun.

I think that the AL has played very well until now, giving time for the Syrian army to pacify Homs and inviting the local opposition blocks while ignoring the unwilling SNC before the ’emergency’ meeting.
It is matter of pride for the Al to pursue their plan that has been received with sarcasms by the US and most Western countries. Its a challenge to prove they can succeed.

If they recognize the NCC and the Binaa-suria as valid and sufficient partners for the dialog, the first step of the political war is won. The question would be how to win the war on the ground when anger and frustration from the ones who refuse the dialog will manifest itself on Friday.

November 8th, 2011, 11:53 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#307

JAD,

The conspiracy is in its terminal phase, Turkey’s about to make a fatal mistake. All this war talk against Iran is to distract its military in the event that Syria is attacked by Turkey. As far as I’ve heard, the Iranian forces are still on the eastern border and ready.

They already promised Turkey that the IRGC will be sipping tea with Turkish POWs in conquered Ankara 18 after such an attack is launched.

Some eyewitnesses reported Syrian armor making its way north. All this hot air is going to cost Turkey dearly.

November 8th, 2011, 11:57 pm

 

bronco said:

Norman

“It is sad to see how Arab ism is going to be the victim of this chaos that the Arab world is going through.”

It is matter of time that the Arabs, naively intoxicated by the ‘glamour’ of the western values projected by the western media, realize that these values come with stings attached and in a ‘package’ that does not really fit with their culture and identity as Arabs.

I trust Arab will find themselves more lucid and re-united under Arabism after their experience of the ‘judeo-christian’ imported democracy.

November 9th, 2011, 12:13 am

 

jad said:

Bronco,
Thank you again for the great explanation, I agree with you.
Did you read about the withdrawal of Mohammad Alabdullah from the SNC, that will have a major consequences on the council especially that Mohammad was one of the few members who actually have many supporters between the youth in the uprising, what’s interesting is that in his message he was unhappy because he didn’t get any ‘position’ as if the ‘position’ is what most of those guys are looking for and not the ’cause’ of building a better Syria
I bet that the consequences will be heavy, will see in the coming days.

“The question would be how to win the war on the ground when anger and frustration from the ones who refuse the dialog will manifest itself on Friday.”

The answer to this is in the hands of the regime, they must give up on the freedom side and genuinely start the democratic journey, the regime as we all know is gone with the first drop of blood spelled and this struggle is fruitless, Syria would be much better with a healthier political system, enough is enough, every Syrian we loose is a wasted opportunity and the regime is responsible for the majority of the victims including the lost of our young army guys when it puts them in the way of danger.
Nothing in the world worth loosing of Syria, the regime is gone and it should give up the political system for the Syrians to decide, better do it itself with minimal lost than gambling Syria for a lost case.

November 9th, 2011, 12:14 am

 

jad said:

Syrian Commando
You brought a very interesting yet scary point; ‘All this war talk against Iran is to distract its military in the event that Syria is attacked by Turkey.’
So Turkey is planning to go ahead with its plan and invade Syria.
That will be the worst scenario ever, it’s like going back in times to the ottomans occupation days and start the struggle for independence allover again.

November 9th, 2011, 12:22 am

 

مندس said:

It smells like blood in here. Oh…it’s the regime supporters. It is the blood on their hands.

November 9th, 2011, 12:41 am

 

Ghufran said:

Arabism is not dead but Baathism is on life support and we might have to accept a new order where Arab countries keep a decent level of cooperation economically and in security matters. Very little can be achieved if the regimes in the middle east do not undergo serious political makeover especially in the gulf region.
The celebratory mood among some due to temporary advances by regime forces can not hide the fact that thousands of Syrians died and that the regime lost considerable support and it needs to go but not by using NATO and not by a civil war. This can be the beginning of the end or another chapter in a long and bloody conflict,much of what comes next depends on Syrians inside Syria,do not expect the regime hawks or the princes of goats to save Syria.
The SNC was wrong in rejecting the AL initiative and the regime may now try to isolate Galioun and his men by making concessions that help the less rigid opposition gain more recognition inside Syria. As for Turkey,I yet have to see a reason why the Turkish generals would allow Erdogan to risk Turkish blood and treasure in a very risky adventure that is doomed to fail for the long run.

November 9th, 2011, 12:44 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

No one makes advances on the lives of Syrians taken away by the traitors, Ghufran. Make no mistake, the Syrian government won all the way back in April.

Clean up will continue on through till next year, February or (god forbid) March at the latest. It’s over, these SNC puppet clowns are not even part of Syria’s calculations, the governments around them are.

The final piece of the puzzle is Turkey and it will soon become clear why Syria accepted the AL “initiative” (which it rewrote, rendering it worthless) rather than playing the trump card it created just 2 days earlier, for those paying attention.

JAD,

Don’t take the Syrian armed forces too lightly. Just because Turkey is not the zionist entity does not mean we didn’t take into account the possibility of having war with Turkey all the way back in the early 90s. As I said, it made a DEEP mistake and one that will threaten its existence in the future. We’re not playing around anymore, neither is Russia. A new world order is upon us.

November 9th, 2011, 12:50 am

 

jad said:

Ghufran
Here is the full program you linked about Syria on PBS, it was posted before, it’s the Undercover Syria Channel 4 Documentary http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/4od#3252795

November 9th, 2011, 12:58 am

 

jad said:

Syrian Commando,
I’m not taking the Syrian armed forces lightly at all, I still have my faith in the Syrian Army, however, we have to be a bit realistic, if a military conflict happened our Army doesn’t have the same level of world support Turkey has or the money they will spend just to make Syria suffer.
I also agree with Ghufran, that the Turkish general wont easily agree to Erdogan plan of wasting lives and money and probably the Turkish future just to be an american mean in its war against Syria and what about the Iranians are they going to do as some analysts predict, to let it happen and just shut itself from the world or are the Russians are going to get involved.
I don’t thinks it’ll be an easy decision to be taken, it’s a very dangerous approach to the Syrian conflict with no guarantee but more chaos and more death in the already troubled region.

November 9th, 2011, 1:17 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>military conflict happened our Army doesn’t have the same level of world support Turkey has or the money they will spend just to make Syria suffer.

There’s the mistake right there. At the point that Turkey attacks, it’s all in. An attack on Syria is an attack, ultimately, on Russia, who views Turkey now as a long-term adversary thanks to its support of Chechen rebels. World support is right there and with it, you can consider the bases hosting NATO’s nukes toast, you can consider that radar near Qamishli vaporised.

Russia has been airbridging advanced weapons systems to Syria now in the hopes that it will bring the idiots back down to earth. Of course, if that doesn’t help, we all know what will happen to Turkey:

First: Counterforce
Second: Countervalue

>I also agree with Ghufran, that the Turkish general wont easily agree to Erdogan plan

The previous generals yes, but he fired them if you remember (he said they all resigned — SIMULTANEOUSLY). The current ones are incompetent and are his puppets.

>and what about the Iranians are they going to do as some analysts predict, to let it happen and just shut itself from the world or are the Russians are going to get involved.

The analysts predicting this are not awake as it seems, because Syria’s existence is tied to Iran’s. If Syria falls, Iran will be isolated from being able to extract instant destruction on israel. Attacking Turkey from the rear will cost Iran nothing and it has the mutual defense pact to adhere to.

>I don’t thinks it’ll be an easy decision to be taken, it’s a very dangerous approach to the Syrian conflict with no guarantee but more chaos and more death in the already troubled region.

It’s almost a sure thing as I see it, Turkey will take this step and who knows what will result. The NATO fools will have two choices:

a) Abandon their treaty through their failure to save Turkey from destruction. — Turkey can sense this and this is why it is waiting for “Arab cover” or UNSC cover (latter is never going to happen, the former, well “plan B” will render it worthless). A unilateral attack by Turkey would be quickly called “wreckless” if it failed, leading NATO to abandon Turkey and thus any meaning in their alliance.
b) Launch WW3, where then israel is destroyed and it will itself launch suicide nuclear attack on all targets it can reach, cascading into a global nuclear holocaust.

Either choice will lead to a new world order. Of course, there’s also the choice of backing off, but I don’t see that happening.

Sweet dreams.

November 9th, 2011, 1:27 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@SYRIAN COMMANDO

Thank you for your interest. Sorry, for security reason we don’t use Social Media at all, we don’t even have a website. Israeli and others gave us plenty of hard time since 1989 and their espionage and shenanigan activities cost us not just plenty of security problems but serious money.

I am not hard on Moslems, just being honest, love the Iranians they are Moslems, warned them to change their religion name long time ago, call it Alawites if they like, I personally told them this attack on Islam is coming, and actually this was a toned down version. Iran is an Islamic country that behaves and acts like one that sincerely care about all Moslems, are always ready to help any Moslem country.

Global Warming is a hoax, but Sun Cycle is not, we had an Ice Age before and now earth entering another warm cycle as it was before that last ice age ended around 11,000 bc. The Sphinx in Egypt contains the record of the warming and cooling cycle as it is age is over 40,000 years and could be as much as 400,000 years, a left over when Atlantis sunk and the reptilians gone into subterranean hideout, the other race moved to Egypt and Sumer. Bastard NSA thug Nizar Hawas never permitted investigation of this fact by International Archeologists and Scientists.

About SNP, it comprises four groups, each group specialize in an area of operation, one for intelligence, another clandestine operatives, another handling socio- economic matters and the strategic/military and political ends managed by a group of committee comprising 72 persons, and all are not only highly active but extremely effective.

Currently, as we speak (this changes all the time) the expatriate leadership membership of 287 member bosses span 23 countries, and the leadership membership is close, this has to do mainly because of financial portfolio and members initial contributions, in a sense we operate as a closed stock corporation, it is a bit complicated to explain, but it is not relating to exclusivity or as some calls it other derogatory names. It is purely because of financial matters and retirement issue. We are now avereging in age 62 years. I am the third youngest at 30, that is when I stopped counting.

We are interested in establishing in Syria SNP offices and promote a new generation of leaders and members in Syria, the party will be open to all Syrians who maintain love to Syria, even Bashar Assad is welcome to join the party, he qualify despite the fact he is Baathist boss, Will be using the same principles effectively used by SNP since 1981. We have an effective method of operation. Should President Assad refuses in the Next 14 months to allow us to do so legally, will use the means we have now and are developing to force that issue in a way that the President will not be able to refuse, weather he likes it or not.

So we do have a moving or relocating plan and are working carefully accordingly to that end. We are seeking Syrian Citizens who lives in the country or are willing to re-locate to it within months only. If you would like to contact me, please include a (CV) that is a crucial for me to get serious, I do not deal with anonymous persons. My email : chiefstrategist@ssnps.com

November 9th, 2011, 1:31 am

 

Mina said:

Mundas 313
You and Al Jazeera’s journalists will taste in your mouth for years the blood of these innocents and those manipulated idiots you have been pulling the strings of since February. You want to know how the Arabs “yafshalu baad”? Well, “bi-t-taqliid”, obviously.
For the West, they won the fact that for the next Qandahar, Gaza or Falluja, no one will be able to give them moral lessons.

November 9th, 2011, 2:37 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

مندس
Smell the blood from your dudes terrorists,accidentally called human beings:

November 9th, 2011, 2:41 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Tara @294

Thank you.

An excellent article. An excellent read.

November 9th, 2011, 2:47 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

This is الجيش السوري الحر going to save bab Omer ,using Taliban type Toyota truck
Followed by demonstrators with olive branches in their hands.Those poor demonstraters
Are not allowed to demonstrate carrying olive branches.The whole world should see these
Wolves with olive branches.The US has asked Syrian demonstrators not to give away their olive RBG,Olive Bombishkins,olive Klashinkove ..

November 9th, 2011, 2:53 am

 

Mina said:

An illustration from the “Angry Arab”: when it’s the West, they can say it is worth killing dozens of civilians if a group of terrorists hides there.
No one on al Jazeera of Twitter to say that this means “Hama massacre everyday”? Unless we correct the standards established by the powers, we can’t claim afterwards for justice.

Please. Warning. Don’t act in a “manner consistent with Al-Qaeda-linked militants”
“The changes grew out of an internal Obama administration debate in the wake of a March 17 drone attack that the government of Pakistan condemned as a mistake, saying it killed more than 40 civilians. The U.S. says the attack killed “a large group of heavily armed men … all of whom acted in a manner consistent with Al Qaeda-linked militants.”..
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

November 9th, 2011, 2:59 am

 

Khalid Tlass said:

Reptilian SNP and Commando,

WE will win just as we won in 635 AD. Khalid ibn al WAlid DESTROYED you, made you accept Arabic language, Arabic names and Arab religion HAHAHAHAH,,,,,,Damascus was conquered.

November 9th, 2011, 3:17 am

 

Mina said:

Berlusconi’s son’s newspaper (!!)compares Berlu to Christ and the deputies who have finally decided not to accept a new bribe to support him to “Judas”. When you realize Europe has reached this stage, you see why it should not be involved anywhere out of Europe.
http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2011/11/08/le-gouvernement-berlusconi-en-jeu-les-marches-pesent-sur-la-dette-italienne_1600309_3214.html

Ya Mara
Sorry I don’t share your harsh judgement on Josh. Quite the contrary,I wanted to add about the silence of the Western press (and the French one in particular, after all, Khaddam, Hariri, and Ghalyoun all have French passports and/or residence) that the main French journalists seem to be also too bad in English to be following SC. Not only they deny the existence of Arabs in French society by not hiring them in the media in top positions, but even English is hard for them. Conclusion is the same, these people should start looking at their own societies before going the world in crusades.

November 9th, 2011, 3:17 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

On the way for the Islamic Republic of Egypt

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وكالة الانباء القبطية: هروب 30 قبطي ألف من رجال الاعمال والاطباء والخبراء
« في: الأمس في 09:35:05 am »
وكالة الانباء القبطية:  هروب 30  قبطي ألف من رجال الاعمال والاطباء والخبراء
البشاير – صموئيل العشاى:
 
ي دراسة جديدة لوكالة الأنباء القبطية كشفت فيها عن  هروب جماعي لرجال الأعمال و علماء و مفكرين أقباط  إلى الخارج عقب أحداث مذبحة ” كنيسة القديسين ” بالإسكندرية ليلة رأس السنة و إحداث ثورة 25 يناير وصولا  لإحداث ماسبيرو و التي راح ضحيتها 27 قبطي في اكتوبر الماضي.
 
 
 الدراسة التي قامت بها الوكالة تعلن عن ارقام  مرعبة تؤكد أنه ما لا يقل عن 30000  رجال اعمال و عالم وخبير ومفكرو طبيب قبطي تركوا مصر خلال الشهور العشرة الماضية وسافروا إلي كل من الولايات المتحدة الامريكية و كندا و استراليا و نيوزلاندا و فرنسا و هولندا و ألمانيا و ايطاليا و اسبانيا و بريطانيا والامارات العربية
 
 
 
وقالت الدراسة إن أمريكا كانت اكبر الدول المستقبلة للأقباط في الهروب الجماعي لرجال الإعمال و عدد من الأطباء جاءت بعدها كندا  و التي احتلت المركز الثاني في استقبال الأقباط و كان العدد الأكبر من الاطباء  المشاهير بمصر  .
 
 
 
وأضافت الدراسة التي تعد الأولي من نوعها لوكالة الأنباء القبطية في العالم عن ارتفاع ظاهرة الهجرة الخاصة بالعقول  القبطية من مصر إلى الخارج  و تستقبلهم مؤسسات وكليات عالمية  في الخارج  لتكون هذه الظاهرة  ” ظاهرة مرعبة ” تطرح الكثير من علامات الاستفهام حول مصير الأقباط في مصر .
 
 
 
وتقول الدراسة  ان المعلومات التي تم حصلت وكالة الأنباء القبطية  من جهات رسمية ، كانت  صدمة و مفاجأة غير متوقعة بعدما حصلت علي قائمة بأهم رجال الإعمال الاقباط الذين قرروا الهروب من مصر  و مئات الاطباء المعروفين في مصر و المهندسين في الشركات الكبرى و الاسر الاستقراطية المعروفة بمصر  .
 
 
 
و تكشف الدراسة  التي اشرف عليها عدد من المراسلين داخل و خارج مصربالتعاون مع مراكز حقوقية  ان  أسباب ارتفاع الظاهرة   ظهور التيارات الدينية و علي راسها الجماعات الاسلامية التي تريد تحويل مصر الي دولة دينية اسلامية ، و الفوضي الامنية و عمليات السرقة التي تستهدف الاقباط  و تكرار حرق الكنائس و مقتل 76 مسيحي من بداية العام في عمليات ارهابية تريد تهجير الاقباط .
 
 
 
و ترفض الوكالة نشر الاسماء التي قررت الهروب من مصر بسبب حرصها علي عدم الافصاح عن هذه الشخصيات الهامة داخل مصر كما ان الدراسة ستقدم الي العديد من الجهات الحقوقية داخل مصر لكشف هذه الازمة الجديدة .
 

November 9th, 2011, 3:17 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Came across this yesterday:

SFOs
Lewa2Zubatahrar
انشقاق في الفرقة الثالثة لواء 65 دبابات هدية عيد 07 11
http://fb.me/17auWiSjS
Defection from the third division brigade 65 tanks Eid gift الاضحى07 11 Syria 2011
Abdel Razzaq Musalma declares he splits from his brigade and refuses to shoot on the demonstrators and joins the peaceful revolution.

November 9th, 2011, 3:49 am

 

Tara said:

Dear UZAIR8

Thank you. I like it too. It unravels the sentiment that the Assad family feels about Syria being theirs, owned by them. Not only the country, the people too, their future and aspiration. What a pity! While a president is a public servant in one country, the cousin of the president owns the country….Not for too long.. They will be either exiled or locked up soon.

Dear Mundas

How are you. Yes SC is mostly a hostile site now after most anti-regime guys migrated to the Wall. I read Mina’s comment addressed to you and wondered how come she did not bring up Congo to the discussion as she usually does. I think her interest is shifting to Zaire lately… Hope all is well. How is Homs? Are some Damascenes still oblivious to what is happening?

November 9th, 2011, 6:59 am

 

Revlon said:

Update on ground activities in Homs City:
– Internet is currently disconnected in Khalidiya dn Bayada where Shabbeha and Thug One security forces ram sack and loot houses and arrest civilians.
– 34 year old Activist Haytham Abdessalam Albowab’s body was found dumped in Cairo street; He was abducted from his computer shop last night by Thug One forces.

AlFatiha upon his soul,
May God bless his parents with solace and empower them with patience.

http://www.facebook.com/UgaritNEWS
Ugarit News | أوغاريت الإخبارية
أوغاريت || حمص :: حي البياضة والخالدية ، انقطاع خدمة الانترنت دي إس إل عن الحيين الآن …
و تم مداهمة بيوت في حي الخالدية و تكسير محتوياتها و إطلاق الرصاص داخل المنازل و اعتقال عشرات من شباب الحي …
و تم اختطاف الناشط هيثم عبدالسلام البواب عمره 34 سنة من قبل الامن والشبيحة من حي الحميدية من متجره لبيع أجهزة الحاسب ليلة البارحة ووجد اليوم مقتول في شارع القاهرة …
3 minutes ago

November 9th, 2011, 7:28 am

 

Juergen said:

@Bronco 253

I can name dozens of women who have been sent to prison because they have been fighting for the constitutional rights of Syrian women. One was held in custody for 6 months because she dared to write about honor killings within syrian socitey. I call that a discrimination under the patronage of Baschar Alassad.

November 9th, 2011, 7:57 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Bronco
Let us not forget that you are against democracy and pro dictatorship,you said it very clearly.
Your hope and your analysis depend only on division between NCC and SNC, there are four groups in the opposition
1 and most important are the demonstrators on the street.
2 SNC
3 NCC.
4 Independents
They all have one goal and that is to end dictatorship and allow freedom democracy and end to Assad regime of Alawite secularism.meanwhile NO dialogue with Bashar.

AL is greatly disappointed with the escalation of military actions in Syria,rather than withdrawing it, there, the regime committed major mistake.AL action and decision will be known on saturday,in three days,I believe it will give Assad only 24 hour to withdraw ,if not AL will declare failure,and refer the situation to UN,and blame Assad for the failure.the regime will not comply.

As for Turkey going into war I believe it is early , Turkey study their action very carefully,and in intelligent way,the Turkish Generals will follow the leadership decision without hesitation,the Syrian army has no chance if Turkey decided to act militarily, but NO imminent action is anticipated.
The crisis in Syria has to end within two months,Syrian regime will not be there at the end of this crisis.

Russia will not protect the Syrian regime.
The regime mostly fear one thing, the escalation of the demonstration to develope all over Syria, including Aleppo and Damascus, this will bring an end to the regime.the brutality of the regime will certainly cause the all over uprising.

November 9th, 2011, 7:58 am

 

Revlon said:

Another group of defectors has organised and formed AlHasanain unit and joined Ahmad AlKhalaf Phalange of the Free Syrian Army.

The practice of brandishing military ID has been abandoned to protect the families of the FSA members from the persecution of blood thirsty, Thug One forces.

08/11/2011

November 9th, 2011, 8:01 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Homs cleaned up from the Revlonian Terrorists,a day by day:

November 9th, 2011, 8:08 am

 

Revlon said:

Trigger happy, Thug One armed forces patrol Baba Amr, yesterday!

8 11 2001 Homs أوغاريت حمص مرب , حي بابا عمرو تواجد الجيش و اطلاق النار عشوائيا

November 9th, 2011, 8:10 am

 

Revlon said:

The body of 14 year old boy, Ibrahim Mohammad Husriyeh, who was arrested 10 days earlier by Thug One forces was returned to his family today.
His body had marks of torture.

AlFatiha upon his soul.
May God bless his family with solace and empower them with solace.

Ugarit News | أوغاريت الإخبارية
أوغاريت || حمص :: استشهاد الطفل ابراهيم محمد عدنان حصرية 14 سنة بالمعتقل حيث تم اعتقاله من عشرة ايام وعاد اليوم شهيدا على اثر التعذيب …
البياضة ، إطلاق نار كثيف من عمق الحي باتجاه ديربعلبة…والجيش والأمن في الشوارع للحظة …
و خرجت مظاهرة في باب السباع تطالب باعدام الرئيس …
20 minutes ago via

November 9th, 2011, 8:17 am

 

Revlon said:

Tanks and personnel carriers in and around the University of Homs’s dormitories.

8 11 Homs أوغاريت حمص , حشود عسكرية بالقرب من المدينة الجامعية لأقتحام باباعمرو ثالث أيام عيد الأضحى

November 9th, 2011, 8:23 am

 

Revlon said:

Demonstration in kafrooma, Idlib today:
The people want to hang the president.

9 11 2011 Kafroumeh, Idlib أوغاريت كفرومة إدلب مظاهرة تطالب باعدام الرئيس

November 9th, 2011, 8:24 am

 

Revlon said:

Thug One forces MISTAKES continue…….
____________________________________________________________
Abu Ali, and his unit of Thug One armed forces interrogate cum torture a minor!
Q) Where is your weapon?
A) I am not allowed to carry guns.

You are a minor eh!
Q) How old are you my dick?
A) My birth date is 1994.

Soldiers:
So you think we are traitors eh!
We are the honourable army!
You animal!
He is drugged!
Break him, stomp him
Make him kiss your boots!
No way!
My boot is more honourable than his creator!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AlQa0vYuTQ&feature=relatedكفرومة ـ إدلب مقطع مسرب عساكر سوريون يعذبون أحد المتظاهرين ويجبرونه على تقبيل الحذاء العسكري

November 9th, 2011, 8:42 am

 

newfolder said:

here’s something for you minhibakji idiots. Journalist Ibrahim Al Jabeen quits and reveals the regime’s lies and media propaganda and manipulation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPDA8kDX3WA

November 9th, 2011, 8:59 am

 

Tara said:

Revlon 338

I think it is just fair that when thug one and his top brass get captured, he is forced to kiss the boots of the people arresting him and release it to media all over the world. That is called justice.

November 9th, 2011, 9:26 am

 

Revlon said:

Will Junior’s forces “Mistakes” come back to haunt him?

Jr stipulated his intended means for handling demonstrations in his 1st speech, just 2 weeks after their inception, wherein he
authorised Wa2dulfitnah operation.
He clearly stated that wa2dulfitnah was more harmful than killing, thusfor justifying the lesser of the two evils, ie killing!
The enemy was broadly defined by junior as “those who were not with us”.
No age limit or gender were provided.

Horrible regime forces’crimes began to appear on the internet. They included tortured and mutilated children and killing of unarmed women in cold blood. As a result of their recurrence and the exceptional success of activists in exposing them and other barbaric measures on facebook and Youtube, Jr felt compelled to provide a related, policy statement addressed to the outside world as well as to his own supporters and mob.

Such policy statement has appeared twice in his speeches so far, whereby he considered his mob’s atrocities as mistakes.

Here are some potential motives and implications of Jr’s characteristion of his mob’s atrocities as mistakes?

– To absolve himself from wrong doing
– To blame such “mistakes” on uncontrollable anarchy, rather than his policy or lack thereof.
– The blame, if any could be laid upon those who committed the crimes; and being unintentional mistakes he could use his executive power to waive the punishment and bestow badges of honour instead!
– To reassure his mob of his political and Judicial cover under these conditions.
– Mistakes are unavoidable, and therefore shall continue to be committed!

Questions to ponder!
Was killing Qiddafi a MISTAKE?
Was killing hundreds of his militiamen and forces a mistake?
Mind you! Both occured in the course of anarchy and without executive order.
Should the punishment of the perpetrators be waived?
Can this Scenario be modeled after, elsewhere?

November 9th, 2011, 9:50 am

 

bronco said:

Majedalkhalkdoon

“Let us not forget that you are against democracy and pro dictatorship,you said it very clearly”

REALLY? Did I say that?
Please refrain from putting words in my mouth when you react to arguments that disturb you.
To be clear again and once for all:

I am 100% for a democracy but not an “fast food” democracy, forced on people by external forces, the way Iraq was made a ‘democracy’.
Democracy is an evolutive process and an arab democracy will be different than a US or European democracy. It has to come the people with their history, culture and experience.

Contrary to what may happen soon in Egypt, Bashar al Assad has very well understood that the time for an authoritarian regime is gone and he is working on putting the basis of a democracy so the country moves gradually to a home grown democracy. (It took 40 years for Turkey to reach where it is now in democracy)
Yet, there are foreign funded people with a big ego who want an ‘instantaneous’ democracy either my military force and a “coup d’etat” because they are pushed by forces that prefer to impose a regime on Syria that is favorable to the US plans in the region.
I am totally against this approach and this is why I don’t trust the SNC and give my total support, as I have always done, to the NCC and the home grown Opposition, that are the real seeds of a democracy. I have been waiting for 8 months to see the local Syrian opposition that has been muted by the SNC and its cronies, raising their head and taking the role they deserve in building a democracy.

Read today news, it is clear that the SNC is furious as their supporters tried to prevent the NCC to meet with the AL in Cairo.
They showed no respect for M Kilo, M Manna, Mr AbdelAzim who are the real opposition heroes not the cockroach Radwan Ziadeh and his likes!

The SNC and he LCC prove they are nothing but a violent fascistic group.

November 9th, 2011, 10:08 am

 

bronco said:

MajedAl Khaldoon

If you did not read it:

The SNC supporters claim in Cairo: Michel Kilo , Hassan Abdul Azim, Haytham Manna are ‘traitors’ send by the regime.

Opposition group were pelt with eggs in Cairo, sign of divisions within movement
(DP-News – agencies)
http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=102675

CAIRO- Angry Syrian protesters pelted a group of opposition leaders with eggs outside Arab League headquarters in Cairo on Wednesday, preventing them from entering the building for talks with the organization’s chief about the violence in Syria.

Several dozen protesters have blocked a high-profile group of veteran Syrian dissidents, including writer Michel Kilo and militant Haytham Manaa, from entering Arab League headquarters and hurled eggs at them.

The protesters in Cairo _ apparently concerned the group of opposition leaders would agree to a dialogue with the Syrian government _ threw eggs at a four-man delegation of the Syrian National Coordination Committee, headed by Hassan Abdul-Azim, as they tried to enter the Arab League’s headquarters in downtown Cairo.

Members of the delegation, who were pushed and shoved by about 100 protesters, were forced to turn back. “No to dialogue with the regime,” shouted one protester who gave only his first name, Amjad according to AP report on Wednesday.

AFP added “But Muamen Kuifatih, an opponent of the Syrian regime who is based in Cairo, said the blockade and eggs were justified because the visitors were “traitors bought by the regime”. The two sides both oppose the regime of President Bashar al-Assad but have differing viewpoints.”

Kuifatih accused the members of the delegation of not backing the Syrian National Council (SNC) demands for Syria’s exclusion from the pan-Arab body and of imposing a no-fly zone over the country.

None of the delegation members belong to the SNC, which groups most of the various currents opposed to President al-Assad`s regime.

Arab league officials said the delegation left to get a change of clothes and would return in a few hours time, but an official said later that a member of the delegation was meeting with Arab League Secretary General Nabil Elaraby.

The Syria-based National Coordination Committee is a rival to the broad-based Syrian National Council group that was announced in Turkey in October and rejects all forms of contact with the regime under the current crackdown.

Some Syrians see the NCC, which includes veteran activists and former political prisoners, as more lenient and willing to engage in a dialogue with the Syrian leadership. The NCC’s stance has prompted some anti-government protesters in Syria to carry banners reading: “The National Coordination Committee does not represent me.”

Members of the NCC reject the accusations, and the group’s chief is adamant there will be no dialogue during the crackdown, but there have been reports of infighting and differing opinions within the group itself.

Hussein al-Odat, a Damascus-based member of the NCC, said talks with members of Assad’s regime were out of the question until Syria implements the first part of an Arab League plan agreed to last week by putting an end to the violence and the security crackdown.

“After that, we will enter negotiations over changing the regime from its current form to a democratic, pluralistic one and negotiate on the terms of a transitional period,” he told The Associated Press.

He said the delegation was in Egypt in response to an invitation by Elaraby, who wanted to hear the group’s views.

Activist Michel Kilo, 71, is one of the best known human right activists in Syria. He lives in Syria and has been jailed for several years.

Kilo, a writer who has opposed the ruling Baath party since it came to power in 1963, was jailed from 1980 to 1983 and from 2006 to 2009.

He is a member of the National Committee for Democratic Change (NCDC), which was formed on September 17 and groups Arab nationalists, socialists, Marxists, members of the Kurdish minority and independents such as Kilo.

Activist Haytham Manaa is a former political detainee and now lives in self-exile in France.

One person from the delegation was finally allowed to enter the League building, an AFP correspondent said.

Syria agreed to a peace plan brokered by the Arab League last week, but officials say Damascus has since failed to abide by its commitments under the plan, including to pull tanks and other armor out of cities and stop the bloodshed that the U.N. estimates has left at least 3,500 people dead.

The Arab League is expected to hold a ministerial meeting on Syria on November 11 and 12.

November 9th, 2011, 10:20 am

 

Revlon said:

339. Dear newfolder,
Thank you for the link to the testimony of the Journalist Ibrahim AlJabeen.
I like his characterisation of the coverage of regiem’s media as “creating a non-existing, virtual reality!”

Adding “VIRTUAL” to their SC correspondant’s heading “REALITY” seems fitting! No!

November 9th, 2011, 10:22 am

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

At last we have a videoed documentation of one armed terrorist gang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByTgSOBW3Sg
.

November 9th, 2011, 10:27 am

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

Tara,

Why didn’t you migrate to the ‘Wall’?
.

November 9th, 2011, 10:28 am

 

bronco said:

Treating a Syrian opposition member like this shows what the SNC is all about.

http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/a-member-of-the-syrian-opposition-delegation-is-attacked-1.927058!image/3960293612.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/3960293612.jpg
* A member of the Syrian opposition delegation (center) is attacked before the delegation was due to meet with Arab League Secretary General Nabil Al Arabi at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.

Read also how the SNC is fighting for its survival.

Syria opposition launches diplomatic offensive
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/syria-opposition-launches-diplomatic-offensive-1.926049
Nicosia: Syria’s opposition is waging a diplomatic offensive to put pressure on the Arab League to take a tougher stance against the regime of President Bashar Al Assad at its next meeting on November 11 and 12.

In a letter, the Syrian National Council (SNC) urged the pan-Arab bloc “to take a strong and effective position against the Syrian regime commensurate with the dangerous development of the situation in Syria, especially in… Homs.”

November 9th, 2011, 10:33 am

 

Revlon said:

340. Dear Tara,
I know how you feel!

Exposing as it is, it fails to touch on the anguish, terror, and the feeling of helplessness that the kid was enduring!

It fails to show the agony that his parents and loved ones are living through!

However, it does provide a glimpse of the dialogue that the regime promises to the young yet alert Syrians and the veteran yet complacent/naiive NCC members.

November 9th, 2011, 10:43 am

 

Zoo said:

Cairo’s Christians Worry About New Egypt – David Ignatius, Wash Post
The View From Garbage City

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/09/the_view_from_garbage_city_111999.html

CAIRO — Coptic Christians are worried about their future in the new Egypt, as I could see last Thursday night at a political rally in a poor Coptic neighborhood here known as Garbage City.

Gathered in an alleyway framed by heaps of trash, and Christian symbols decorating every nearby wall, the residents heard a simple message: To protect their families, Christians must vote in the parliamentary elections that begin late this month. Otherwise, Egypt may be controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood, which is mobilizing its own supporters.

“Muhammad and John need to live side by side,” admonished one of the speakers, arguing that Christians must fight for a secular state that will be moderate and tolerant. “If you don’t go vote, you have only yourself to blame for the consequences.”

Christians have “definitely” become more afraid since the revolution, explained Dina Beshay, a 29-year-old woman from the neighborhood. If the Muslim Brotherhood gained power, it would be a “big shock,” she said, because Christians would feel marginalized. “It is impossible for us to live in constant fear.”

This issue of sectarian tension lurks behind the election campaign now being waged across Egypt. People don’t often speak about it directly, but it’s an abiding fear here — as in most other countries shaken by the Arab Spring. The question is whether, as democracy empowers Islamist parties across the Arab world, the Christian minorities will have a viable future.
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November 9th, 2011, 10:46 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

[Alex: SNP I will have to ban you for one week … You already got a warning last month]

November 9th, 2011, 10:49 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Bronco said
” Arabs have been temporarily intoxicated by the western ideas of freedom of speech and the panacea of ‘democracy’, ”

Now Bronco is denying that he is against Democracy,he said
REALLY? Did I say that?
Please refrain from putting words in my mouth when you react to arguments that disturb you.
To be clear again and once for all:

I am 100% for a democracy

November 9th, 2011, 11:05 am

 

jad said:

Bronco,
Where are the Egyptian police to protect people from getting into the building?

Louay Hussein
تنويه من تيار بناء الدولة السورية: نريد آن ننوه بأن أعضاء التيار الذين ذهبوا إلى القاهرة لحضور إجتماع المعارضة السورية مع الجامعة العربية، لؤي حسين و ريم تركماني، سوف لن ينضموا إلى الإجتماع بالإضافة إلى أعضاء آخرين من الوفد الذين قرروا الإنسحاب بما فيهم سمير عيطة و ميشيل كيلو و منذر حلوم و حازم النهار و بعض الناشطين. سنقوم قريبا بإصدار بيان بتوضيح ما جرى في القاهرة.

Mounzer Khaddam عندما ينعقد النقاش حول المواقف بلغة سياسية رصينة واحترام كامل لمبدأ الاختلاف يشكل ظاهرة صحية بكل تأكيد نحن بحاجة ماسة إليها في عهد الديمقراطية، اما لغة التخوين والعمالة فهذه لغة النظام ولغة الاستبداد عندما يجعل من ذاته معيارا للصح والخطأ للوطنية والعماله. بالنسبة لبعض الأراء التي يقول بها بعض أعضاء هيئة التنسيق في الخارج مثل هيثم مناع او سمير العيطة فهي في الحقيقة لا تعبر عن مواقف الهيئة، وكنا قد وجهنا انتقادا يرقى إلى مستوى الانذار لكل من يفتح جبهة مع أي طرف معارض وخصوصا مع المجلس الوطني، وقرارنا في الهيئة أن لا نعمل أي شيئ يؤدي إلى افشاله لأنه بمثابة حلم تعلق به قسم مهم من الثائرين في الشارع. هذا لا يعني أن لا ننتقد ما نراه من مواقف سياسية تصدر عنه او عن بعض قادته غير صحيحة. أذكر فقط بتصريحات الأخ سمير النشار على الجزيرة وكذلك تصريحات الشيخ نواف البشير على التلفزيون السوري، وما قاله برهان غليون ذاته في مقابلته مع مرسيل غانم وتصريحات رياض الشقفة وغيرها كثير. وفي ذات الوقت هناك من انتقد أداء المجلس من قادته أو من المؤيدين له وخصوصا مواقفه من المبادرة العربية مثل زهير سالم و ومنير شحود وياسين الحاج صالح وغيرها كثير..بالنسبة لنا في الهيئة لدينا قرار واضح مايصدر عن الهيئة من بيانات موقعة باسم مكتبها التنفيذي او ما يصرح به الأخ حسين العودات باعتباره الناطق الرسمي باسمها هو الذي يعبر عن مواقف الهيئة، وما عدى ذلك فهي أراء وتحليلات واجتهادات لأصحابها. في الهيئة كما في المجلس الوطني وفي غيرهما من تشكيلات المعارضة من المفيد وجود هامش معين لتباين الأراء بشرط أن لا يفيد منه النظام ولا يسيئ لمطالب الشعب السوري. إضافة إلى كل ذلك ينبغي ان يكون واضحا إن حقل الانتفاضة هو حقل تعبوي ترفع فيه الشعارات، اما الحقل السياسي فهو الحقل المعني بوضع مضمون لهذه الشعارات: أدعو جميع منتقدي الهيئة للاطلاع على رؤيتها للمرحلة الانتقالية من النظام الاستبدادي في سوريا إلى النظام الديمقراطي وهي منشورة على موقعها ويمكن قراءتها على موقعي على الحوار المتمدن، ونشرتها نشرة كلنا شركاء منذ بضعة أيام: الهيئة تريد اسقاط النظام بكل أركانة ومرتكزاته، وهي لن تحاور النظام أبدا بل تفاوض على المرحلة الانتقالية، وهي لن تدخل في مهاترات مع أي فصيل معارض لأن ذلك سوف يفيد النظام، وهي حريصة أشد الحرص على إنشاء لجنة تنسيق عليا بين جميع أطياف المعارضة على أساس مطالب الثورة…كثيرون من نقاد الهيئة لا يعلمون كيف تم اقصاؤها عن مؤتمر استنبول بعد ان تم الاتفاق في الدوحة على إنشاء تحالف عريض بين الهيئة وإعلان دمشق والاخوان المسلمين والتيارات الدينية الأخرى ومن هو المسؤول عن ذلك ودور بعض الدول الاقليمية في ذلك..في حينه تحدث برهان غليون بصراحة عن الذين يتحملون المسؤولية… لماذا لا يتم الضغط على المجلس الوطني لتوحيد المعارضة او على الأقل إنشاء لجنة تنسيق عليا للسياسات وللعلاقات الدولية… أنا شخصيا حضرة أكثر من لقاء مع السفراء الذين زاروا مقر الهيئة وأعلنوا صراحة أنهم لن يعترفو بالمجلس الوطني ولا بغيره كممثل وحيد للشعب السوري وللأسف لا تزال بلدانهم رغم ما يجري الحديث عنه في الاعلام لا يريدون اسقاط النظام بل يريدون التوصل معه إلى حل تفاوضي… واكثر من ذلك بعض الدول الهامة لا يعنيها من كل ما يجري في سورية سوى فك الارتباط مع إيران وحزب الله والقبول بالتسوية الاسرائيلية..أرجو من جميع المعارضين والثوار في أي موقع كانوا ان لا نضيع تفكيرنا السياسي الرشيد في ذروة معاناتنا.. فنحن نواجه أشرس نظام

November 9th, 2011, 11:18 am

 

jad said:

كوابيس فرانز كافكا وفضيلة الشيخ برهان غليون
by بقلم: نارام سرجون

عندما أطل برهان غليون فجأة صبيحة العيد وعلى غير توقع وانتظار وثبت اليّ من اللاوعي والعقل الباطن رواية فرانز كافكا بعنوان (المسخ) ..التي عرّفتني على شخصية مطابقة لشخصية السيد برهان غليون، وأحسست أن أقدار هذا الرجل وأقدار بطل رواية “المسخ” لكافكا هي (فولة وانقسمت نصين).. من يقرأ قصص كافكا الشهيرة يصاب بالدهشة من حجم التطابق بين سيرة حياة برهان غليون الكابوسية وأبطال شخصيات كافكا الكابوسية..ويدرك الناقد أن كافكا كتب بالرمز عن أسئلة الوجود الكبرى عبر أشخاص في الحياة يعيشون بيننا بشكل يومي ..ولاأدل على ذلك من تطور والتواءات حياة برهان غليون..

وفرانز كافكا هو أحد أشهر كتاب القصة ورائد الكتابة “الكابوسية” السوداء.. وبالطبع لاأريد تحقير السيد غليون بتشبيهي له ببطل رواية “المسخ” فليس من الأخلاق تحقير الناس مهما اختلفنا معهم .. لكن سيرة وانعطافات غليون الغريبة في الحياة لاتجد لها شبيها الا قصص كافكا الثقيلة كالكوابيس السوداء .. فحياة غليون تكاد تكون مستنسخة تماما من أبطال روايات كافكا ..أتمنى من كل قلبي ألا تنتهي حياة غليون تلك النهايات المأساوية المؤلمة لأولئك الأبطال المأزومين المهزومين لكافكا

في رواية “المسخ” التي ذكرني بها غليون .. يستيقظ (غريغور سامسا) في أحد صباحات أيامه ليكتشف أنه قد تحول إلى حشرة ضخمة كريهة خلال نومه في الليل ..ويصعق غريغور عندما يكتشف أنه صار صرصارا ضخما.. ولأنه أصبح الآن حشرة كريهة مقيتة مقرفة فإن أهميته بالنسبة لعائلته قد تلاشت تماماً…ولذلك نراه خلال الرواية بكاملها وهو يحاول التواصل مع أبيه وأمه وأخته .. لكن بلا أمل تقريباً لأن الجميع كان قد تخلى عنه.
الرواية التي تجري أحداثها في غرفتين فقط تلقي أمام القارئ بتساؤلات حادة عن وجود الإنسان في هذه الحياة؛ الإنسان الذي وجد نفسه فجأة في عالم ليس من اختياره… تماماً مثل (برهان غليون الذي تحول إلى مخلوق كريه بشكل مفاجئ من دون أن يمنح فرصة اختيار قدره الخاص ..ولم يعد قادرا على التواصل مع السوريين الا من خلال غرفتين (الجزيرة والعربية) ..بل انه لايستطيع انجاز التواصل مع مجلسه الانتقالي الا من خلال غرفتين (الدوحة واستانبول) … قدر اختاره له عزمي بشارة وحمد وأردوغان وساركوزي ..

غليون الذي أراد يوما أن يكون عالما تنويريا ضد التدين انتهى به المطاف لأن يستيقظ ذات صباح ليجد نفسه فجأة زعيما للاخوان المسلمين ووصيفا في مملكة العرعور ..ومن لقب بروفيسور يتحول بالتدريج الى فضيلة الشيخ برهان غليون الذي يتحول بالتدريج الى مايشبه الرئيس الأفغاني السابق برهان الدين رباني .. ألا يشبه هذا التحول الكابوسي في حياة أي انسان الاستيقاظ صباحا ليجد نفسه ..حشرة كريهة ضخمة..
وبالرغم من تشابه غريب بين شخصية برهان غليون مع بطل قصة المحاكمة (جوزيف ك) وبطل قصة (القلعة) (مستر ك) لكافكا ايضا فانني لن أتطرق اليهما لنهايتيهما المفجعتين الكابوسيتين وسأترك لكم مهمة التمتع باكتشاف شخصية رئيس المجلس الوطني السوري الانتقالي عبر مقارنته بأبطال قصص كافكا الذي يتحدث وبشكل غريب وكأنه يتنبأ لنا بظهور شخصية برهان غليون ..وخاصة في كابوسية (القلعة) ..

مأساة برهان غليون أنه بدأ معارضته بسذاجة معتقدا ان السياسة تشبه الحكايات والروايات في أسطوريتها وأحلامها.. وأن الثوار يمكن أن يستحموا بآبار النفط .. وأن الأوطان تنسج خارج الحدود .. وأن مجلس الأمن جمعية خيرية ..وأن الجامعة العربية هي دار الندوة في قريش حيث مواثيق الشرف وحلف الفضول (أول برلمان عربي) .. وبدا أن من يحيط بغليون قد أكلوا بعقله حلاوة وخدعوه في البداية واستدرجوه الى لعبة خطرة وقذرة .. وأقنعوه أن التاريخ يريد أن يصافحه ..فاستيقظ ذات صباح ليجد نفسه تحت الأضواء يخلع عليه لقب الرئيس ..ويلقي خطاب العرش .. وخطبة العيد..

لكن برهان الذي بذل جهدا خارقا في ظهوره السينمائي “الرئاسي” صبيحة العيد كان جامد الوجه يقرأ خطابه بصوت فيه بحة خفية رغم جهده لاظهار تناغمات صوتية تم تدريبه عليها من ارتفاع الصوت الى انخفاضه لنقل تأثير الكلمة للمتلقي .. ولكن كان في خطاب غليون حزن خفي وخيبة أمل حاول أن يظهر أنهما وقار وجدية .. ومن يقرأ خطاب غليون ويتجول بين كلماته يعرف أن الرجل لم يعد الا رجلا منوما مغناطيسيا وأنه يعيش ضغطا نفسيا هائلا .. حتى أنه لم يستطع مواصلة تصوير خطابه دفعة واحدة بل ان الخطاب الذي استمر 8 دقائق فقط تم تقطيعه على الأقل عشر مرات .. مرة صورة قريبة ومرة صورة بعيدة لاتفسير لها في هذا النوع من الخطابات ذات الرسائل الثورية والوعظية الا بسبب اعادة التصوير في كل مرة يتوقف فيها برهان غليون عن القراءة بسبب تلعثمه وسوء أدائه الناجمين عن الضغط النفسي والقلق على مشروعه ..وأسرار بدأت تتكشف له ..ومساومات لم يسعفه عقله في الانتباه اليها الا متأخرا…وبدا في الخطاب أنه أعطي بعض المهدئات فقد قلل من حركات رأسه المألوفة ولم تتحرك يداه بشكل عفوي .. واذا لم يكن ذلك بسبب أدوية مهدئة فان لغة الجسد تشي لنا أنه مستسلم ويائس..وان كان الناصحون حوله قد أشاروا عليه بالرصانة الشديدة فان تلك الرصانة قد سيطرت على العفوية المطلوبة في خطاب للجماهير السلفية التي تنتظر قائدها الجديد

وبدا ذلك في تصريحاته اليائسة بالأمس لصحيفة الشرق الأوسط السعودية حيث قال بمرارة بأن الجامعة العربية بدت فاشلة وعاجزة ودعا الى وقف الاستثمارات الخليجية في سوريا كنوع من العقاب ..فيما طالب العرب متوسلا ان ينقل الملف لمجلس الأمن

مايلفت النظر أن غليون في خطابه “التاريخي” قد ارتكب هفوة وخطيئة لايجب أن تمر مرور الكرام .. فقد وضع الى يساره العلم السوري الرسمي وليس علم الثورة السورية بنجومه الثلاث وألوانه المختلفة.. وبدا أن هناك عدم تناغم وانسجام بينه وبين مجلسه الذي يفرش دائما علم الثورة (بنجومه الحمراء الثلاث) ويوزع أعلام الثورة على المظاهرات فيما غليون لايزال محتفظا بالعلم الرسمي دون تبنيه علم الثورة في كل مقابلاته تقريبا .. الثوار اذا لايستطيعون حتى الاتفاق على شكل العلم وصار لهم علمان ..علم اعتمده الشيخ غليون وعلم اعتمده شيوخ المجلس الوطني الانتقالي ..ربما لأن غليون يعبّر عما تحت شعوره في اللاوعي فهو يدرك أن علم الثورة ليس له أمل .. وأن العلم الحالي هو الباقي ..وربما أن قلة الخبرة الواضحة منه ومن فريقه الخاص لم تعر العلم الجديد اهتمامها.. أو أن فضيلته بالفعل لايعرف العلم القديم من الجديد كونه مواطنا فرنسيا ..ولايهمه ان كان علم سوريا قديما أم جديدا أم غترة القرضاوي أو عرعور..ونجماته الثلاث هي شنبات حمد وبشارة وأردوغان ..

العارفون باحباطات فضيلة الشيخ برهان غليون يعرفون أنه يعاني من الاكتئاب فقد تلقى توبيخا قاسيا وهجوما عنيفا من معارض غاضب آخر هو مأمون الحمصي الذي وصفه بالتقلب والانتهازية وعدم الثقة ..وعاب عليه عدم الطلب العلني والمباشر بالتدخل الدولي لحماية المدنيين.. رغم أن غليون لايستطيع مصارحة الحمصي أن حكاية التدخل الدولي ليست بيده وأن الناتو لاينتظر أوامره بل انه هو من ينتظر أوامر الناتو بالايعاز بطلب التدخل لأن الناتو ببساطة ليس جاهزا لذلك ..

كما أن الاتهامات بالخيانة تنهال عليه من هيثم المناع وبعض أعضاء مجلسه .. وهناك تأنيب متواصل من معلمه عزمي بشارة الذي لايكف عن التذمر منه ومن قلة امكانياته ومزاجيته..عزمي الذي لن يغفر لغليون وصفه له في مجالسه الخاصة (بالنرجسي المتسلط والمنظّر الثرثار) ويكثر من الشكوى منه عبر وسطاء يبلغون رسائله المتلاحقة لأمير قطر ..وكانت احدى الرسائل الوسيطة عبر داود أوغلو ..الذي طلب من أمير قطر أن المطلوب في هذه المرحلة أن يسمع الثوار السوريون كلاما كثيرا من غليون والقرضاوي وكلاما قليلا جدا من عزمي
بشارة..وعليه أن يمنح عزمي اجازة لبعض الوقت ..حتى تحين المرحلة المقبلة

وبالعودة الى كوابيس كافكا ألا تعتقدون ان الشعب السوري يعيش كوابيس كافكا بشكل مقلوب؟ فقد استيقظ السوريون فجأة ليجدوا أنفسهم محاطين بالحشرات الكريهة الضخمة .. ولاأدري ماذا يمكن أن يكون حمد الا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟. وماذا يمكن أن يكون أردوغان الا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟..وماذا يمكن أن يكون عزمي بشارة الا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟ ..وماذا يمكن أن يكون القرضاوي الا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟ ..وماذا يمكن أن يكون عبد الباري عطوان (الذي ساوى بين مقاتلي حماس وحزب الله وبين القتلة في حمص من الارهابيين ووصفهم ب”المقاومة” في حمص) الا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟ .. وماذا يمكن أن يكون عدنان العرعورالا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟ .. وماذا يمكن أن يكون الشيخ برهان غليون الا حشرة ضخمة كريهة استيقظنا لنجدها في غرف نومنا؟ ..بل ماذا يمثل لنا مذيعو الجزيرة والعربية وأعضاء المجلس السوري الوطني الانتقالي سوى تجمع لكوابيس فرانز كافكا وأبطاله المسوخ المأزومين …الذين استيقظنا فجأة لنراهم يتكاثرون ويصرون الصرير ..هل تعرفون ماهو الصرير؟؟

بل أليست أم الكوابيس أن تستيقظ عزيزي القارئ وتجد كل هؤلاء يحيطون بفراشك ويحدقون في عينيك مبتسمين وهم ويقرؤون الفاتحة التي كتبها لنا برنار هنري ليفي .. كابوس مرعب بحق تعجز مخيلة كافكا عن تصوره

November 9th, 2011, 11:26 am

 

JMUMoney said:

Dr. Landis, do you have any information about the Syrian National Coordination Committee(SNCC)? I have a feeling that they are responsible for the recent back and forth between the Arab League and the Al-Assad Government. If the Arab league are in fact negotiating on behalf of the SNCC than their influence would be a lot greater than many people thought. They even may hold more sway on the ground in Syria more so than the Syrian National Council(SNC). I think Randa Slim’s Article in Foreign Policy Magazine, “Meet Syria’s Opposition” and the most recent news of SNCC members getting pelted by eggs on their way to speak with the Arab League, lend credence to the argument that the SNCC are important players in this uprising.

November 9th, 2011, 11:34 am

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

Syrians and non-jewish people in the Middle East need to be reminded on a regular basis of how they are considered by the following “prominent and influential Jewish leaders”.

Rabbi Kook the Elder, another influential and much revered Jewish leader, expressed a similar view: “The difference between a Jewish soul and the souls of non-Jews — all of them in all different levels — is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, one of Israel’s most prominent and influential Jewish religious leaders, says that non-Jews (Goyim) exist only to serve Jews. “Goyim were born only to serve us,” said Rabbi Yosef during a sermon in October 2010. “Without that, they have no place in the world — only to serve the people of Israel.”

November 9th, 2011, 11:36 am

 

JMUMoney said:

This is an interesting article that might shine some light on my earlier question.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syria%E2%80%99s-manna-ghalioun-and-trinity-successful-revolt

November 9th, 2011, 11:44 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Democracy of SA and Bahrain,US and west best allies.Beduins who are doing this Are trying to teach Syrians Democracy

November 9th, 2011, 11:59 am

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

The impression that we are getting vividly now as being evaluated, it appears that some were spying/using SNP internet activities, especially Google Earth data to formulate a duplicate counter-plan to deplete the possible “Sunni” asset’s that may support SNP or may be used by SNP in the region of Homs-Tal Kalakh. They made serious fatal mistakes, because they are dumb, ignorant and stupid. SNP made quick calculations and adjustments, we quickly discovered, in fact, minority support in Syria and reliance on them will secure a quicker viable position and stronger one for Syria based SNP. That is because Syria’s population is made up by as much as 40%+ of various minorities. In total, they are really not a minority to Sunni Moslems at all. More like almost equal partners in the country.

I am trying to communicate this bit, without exposing too much. The counter plan, which was devised in a way to weaken SNP possible popularity in Syria, in fact became one of SNP best drive forward. What we see now, based on number of demographic and highly refined study of Syria’s population matrix, is that SNP was initially operating on the assumption that it will never gain more than 10-15% of votes in Syria. That will always be something like SSNP, a marginal, fringe group. If you to add to the minorities the number of progressive secular Baathists, Nationalists and other seculars, as well as Sunnis who abhor Saudi/Arabs and strict Islam, that number increase from 40 to 80% as possible recruiting pool. But by relying on minorities as a base rather than relying on Sunni Moslems, will increase our possible pool from 15% to 80%., We actually now see a real possibility, especially after this incredibly amateurish ALCIDA murderous game, of the abilities to be the dominant Party in Syria (later in Lebanon), something we never dreamt of ever. We will not underestimate the benefits and effects of this dumb ALCIADA move on Syrian population thinking, it has really awaken many of them to facts about Arabs, Arabism and Sunni Islam, before they just shoved under the worn out rug of Arab Nationalism and solidarity. This will heighten Syrian Nationalism and the belonging to Syria first and foremost.

November 9th, 2011, 12:14 pm

 

jad said:

HNN| شـبكة أخـبار حمص
أخبار متفرقة| 9-11-2011|

*حمص : قامت الجهات الأمنية في حمص اليوم بإلقاء القبض على
2 من المسلحين و قتلت مسلح واحد أثناء قيامهم بزرع
عبوة ناســـفة و عمل كـمين على طريق زيدل شرق مدينة حمص.

*طرطوس : الكورنيش الساحلي يشهد ازدحام كبير و فرحة الأطفال تسيطر على الأجواء.

*إيران: لدينا 4 صواريخ تكفي لإبادة إسرائيل وأول صاروخ سيقتل مليون…
مسؤول ايراني: مفاعل “ديمونة” النووي سيكون من أسهل الأهداف للقدرات العسكرية الإيرانية

*انشقاقات المعارضة: وحيد صقر يهدد برهان غليون بمجلس انتقالي جديد.

*حرستا :جرحى من برزة الى مشفى حرستا الوطني, والمشفى شبه محاصر من قبل مجموعة من الفوار.

*خان شيخون:المسلحون يطلبون من الناس عبر مكبرات الصوت الخروج في المظاهرة التي ينوون القيام بها في ساحة الرئيس بعد صلاة العشاء.

*إدلب :مصدر عسكري ينفي مانقله المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان عن استشهاد 8 من الجيش في معرة النعمان و إصابة 2 من المسلحين في هجوم لهم على حاجز عسكري في خان شيخون واستشهاد مدنيين في خان السبل و قال مراسل شوكوماكو في إدلب أن مجموعة من العناصر الإرهابية المسلحة أقدمت اليوم الأربعاء على اختطاف المواطن هيثم الحسن “65” عام من قرية خان السبل التابعة لمعرة النعمان، ورمي جثته بالقرب من المعرة.كما واستهدفت العناصر الإرهابية المسلحة على استهداف مدني آخر يدعى رضوان محمد حسون ماأدى إلى استشهاده.
وفي سياق متصل أقدم المسلحون على استهداف أحد الحواجز العسكرية في منطقة خان شيخون، وأشار مراسلنا إلى أن الهجوم لم يسفر عن إصابة أي من عناصر الجيش، وأشارت المعلومات إلى إصابة إثنين من منفذي الهجوم.
ونفى مصدر عسكري لشوكوماكو ماتداولته وكالات الأنباء نقلاً عن مايسمى المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان حول استشهاد 8 من عناصر الأمن والجيش في معرة النعمان، مشيراً أن المعرة تعيش حياة هادئة منذ أول أيام عيد الأضحى.

*سفير منظمة حقوق الإنسان الدولية: علّق النائب في البرلمان الدولي للأمن والسلام وسفير منظمة حقوق الإنسان الدولية هيثم أبو سعيد على ما تتعرض له سوريا من مؤامرات وضغوطات خارجية لإسقاط النظام وإستبداله بأنظمة متشددة تأخذ المنطقة إلى مزيد من القتل والإقتتال الداخلي وإضطهاد للأقليات، محذراً من “حمام للدماء في حال وصلت القوى التي تستقوي في الخارج على غرار ما شهدناه في بعض الدول العربية”.وبحسب بيان له عقب لقائه سفير الصين في لبنان واو زكسيان للبحث في الاوضاع الراهنة على الساحة العربية، فإن السفير أبو سعيد نقل تخوف “البرلمان الدولي للأمن والسلام” ومنظمة “حقوق الإنسان الدولية” من “تداعيات الوضع السوري”، مؤكداً “موقف البرلمان الدولي الداعم للنظام السوري ضمن الإصلاحات التي وعد ويقوم بتنفيذها الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد”.

*القدس المحتلة:قامت قوات الإحتلال الإسرائيلي بعد عصر اليوم بمحاولة اقتحام لحي العيساوية في القدس المحتلة. إلا أن هذه المحاولة باءت بالفشل نتيجة تصدي شبان المنطقة لقوات الاحتلال حيث قاموا بإلقاء الحجارة عليهم مما دعى القوات الى التراجع.

الحدود الأردنية :المخابرات العسكرية الأردنية تنقل فارين من سورية إلى معسكر مغلق في منطقة السلط غربي عمان :
نقلت المخابرات العسكرية في الجيش الأردني الشهر الماضي عشرات السوريين من مناطق لجوئهم شمال الأردن إلى منطقة ” السلط” غربي العاصمة الأردنية عمان . لكن ليس معلوما بعد ما إذا كان هذا الإجراء وما صاحبه من تحقيق جهات استخبارية أجنبية معهم قد حصل بعلم القصر الملكي الأردني أم ” من وراء ظهره”. علما بأن القصر الملكي ، لم يزل يحاول التموضع على مسافة من التدخل في الشؤون السورية ويحذر المعنيين في بقية المؤسسات الأردنية الرسمية من التورط في تدخلات من هذا النوع.

مصادر في مجلس النواب الأردني أبلغت أنه أقيم “معسكر صغير” شبه مغلق يخضع لإشراف مخابرات الجيش الأردني، ويمنع عليهم مغادرته أو ممارسة أية أنشطة معارضة فيه أو انطلاقا منه حتى إشعار آخر. وكشفت هذه المصادر عن أن محققين من الاستخبارات العسكرية الإسرائيلية “أمان” ، ومن الاستخبارات العسكرية الأميركية العاملة في نطاق وحدات الجيش الأميركي المرابطة في الأردن ، باشروا قبل نحو أسبوعين باستجوابهم بمساعدة مخابرات الجيش الأردني بهدف انتزاع معلومات عسكرية منهم .

وأكدت هذه المصادر أن استجوابهم ، وبخلاف ما يمكن أن يتبادر إلى الذهن للوهلة الأولى، لا يتعلق بما يحصل على الأرض ، وإنما بمعلومات تتصل مباشرة بالأسرار العسكرية الخاصة ببعض وحدات الجيش ، وبحسب مصادر أردنية أخرى على علم بمجريات التحقيق ، يحرص المحققون الإسرائيليون على معرفة التطورات التي أدخلت إلى الجيش السوري في منطقة الجبهة الأمامية منذ حرب تموز / يوليو 2006 التي شنتها إسرائيل على لبنان.

و يسعى المحققوق العسكريون الإسرائيليون إلى معرفة التطور الذي طرأ على بنية وأنساق التشكيلات العسكرية السورية ، وأسماء أكبر عدد ممكن من الضباط العاملين فيها ، وأية معلومات عسكرية أخرى قد يعتبرونها مفيدة لهم لفهم ما جرى ويجري من تطويرات في وحدات الجيش السوري.
تبقى الإشارة إلى أن الجيش الأردني ومخابراته العسكرية يقيمان علاقات تعاون مع الجيش والاستخبارات العسكرية الإسرائيليين بموجب ” اتفاقية سلام وادي عربة” المبرمة في العام 1994 ، فضلا عن علاقات التعاون مع الجيش الأميركي الذي ترابط وحدات منه في الأردن منذ الغزو الأميركي للعراق.

November 9th, 2011, 12:20 pm

 

newfolder said:

video of security scum firing at a funeral procession today in Barzeh Damascus, where 6 people were killed, including the brother of the deceased:

November 9th, 2011, 12:23 pm

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Majed Islamic 100% democracy:

November 9th, 2011, 12:24 pm

 

jad said:

Ghufran
Here is the full episode of the Undercover last night:
Syria Undercover, FRONTLINE, PBS Video
http://video.pbs.org/video/2165728957/
FRONTLINE takes a rare look at the uprising from inside Syria.

November 9th, 2011, 12:29 pm

 

newfolder said:

seriously wtf is up with #350 and his retarded comments? doesn’t anyone moderate these crappy forums anymore? blaspheming, swearing at Islam and Muslims, and at the prophet? Get your act together you useless idiots and ban those morons.

November 9th, 2011, 12:34 pm

 

newfolder said:

another clear video of security forces shooting at a funeral in Barzeh Damascus today in which 6 died

November 9th, 2011, 12:56 pm

 

jad said:

ديمقراطية المعارضة بين الداخل والخارج !!
http://youtu.be/ljoK8WDPDik

العربي يأسف لتعرض وفد المعارضة السورية الداخلية للاعتداء وعبد العظيم يؤكد تأييدها لاسقاط النظام

أعرب الأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية نبيل العربي عن أسفه للاعتداء الذي تعرض له وفد من المعارضة السورية الداخلية أمام مقر الجامعة من قبل معارضين اخرين اعتبروه متعاونا مع النظام السوري.

وقال العربي في مؤتمر صحفي يوم الاربعاء 9 نوفمبر/تشرين الثاني إنه التقى حسن عبد العظيم المنسق العام لهيئة التنسيق الوطني لقوى التغيير الديمقراطي، مضيفا أنه “حدث استخدام للعنف لا أدري سببه، ونأسف للاعتداء عليهم”.

وكان نحو مئة محتج سوري قد اجتمعوا أمام مقر جامعة الدول العربية في القاهرة يوم الاربعاء وألقوا بالبيض على وفد من المعارضة السورية الداخلية متهمينه بالعمل سرا لصالح الرئيس بشار الاسد، وحصلت بعض الاشتباكات بالايدي. وكان من المقرر أن يلتقي الوفد المكون من أربعة أشخاص مع نبيل العربي.

وقال احد المحتجين: “هذه المعارضة كاذبة مئة بالمئة، انها تريد حوارا من أجل النظام وبقاءه”.

وأضاف: “ألقينا بالبيض على هؤلاء الخونة وابتعدوا.. نحن لا نريد مفاوضات مع النظام السوري، نحن نطالب باسقاط النظام”.

وتمكن فقط حسن عبد العظيم من الوفد السوري الإفلات من المعتصمين السوريين أمام مقر الجامعة العربية ونجح في الدخول لمقابلة العربي، بينما اضطر باقي أعضاء الوفد، بما فيهم الناشط هيثم مناع للإنصراف بعد أن تعرضوا للرشق بالبيض والطماطم.

واكد العربي خلال المؤتمر أن “الجامعة العربية تلتقي كل المعارضين السوريين من الداخل والخارج، وسبق أن التقيت أكثر من مرة بممثلي المجلس الوطني السوري”.

وردا على سؤال حول الطريقة التي تم على أساسها اختيار اعضاء وفد المعارضة، وخاصة أن المعتصمين السوريين أمام الجامعة العربية يتهمون الوفد بأنه ينسق مع النظام السوري، قال العربي: “من حقهم أن يقولوا أي شيء، وكذلك حسن عبد العظيم شخصية سورية لها تاريخ طويل ومن حقه أن يلتقينا”.

وقال ان “خطة العمل العربية تقضي بأن تتخذ خطوات عدة”، وانه على إتصال مع دمشق ومع المعارضة وعدد كبير من الدول العربية، حيث إتصل به اليوم عدد كبير من وزراء الخارجية العرب، وسيتم خلال اجتماع السبت المقبل تقييم الموقف من جميع الوجوه، ومن خلال المتوفر لدى الجامعة العربية من المعلومات، واللقاءات مع المعارضة السورية لهذا الغرض.

وبالنسبة الى احتمال تجميد عضوية سورية، قال إن “أي اقتراح تتقدم به دولة سيتم طرحه على المجلس الوزاري”.

كما تطرق نبيل العربي الى مطالبة وزير الخارجية السوري الجامعة العربية بالرد على الجانب الأمريكي المحرض على عدم تسليم المسلحين انفسهم، قائلا ان “الرسالة من الجانب السوري تفيد بأنهم كانوا يتوقعون أن ترد الجامعة العربية على تصريح المتحدث باسم الخارجية الأمريكية الذي يدعو المسلحين السوريين إلى عدم تسليم أسلحتهم، ولكن الولايات المتحدة ليست عضوا في الجامعة العربية وليس لنا شأن بها، ونحن ناشدنا كل الأطراف أن تعطي فرصة للمبادرة العربية”.

حسن عبد العظيم: المعارضة العاملة في الداخل ترفض التدخل العسكري في سورية ولكنها تؤيد إسقاط النظام
بدوره أكد المنسق العام لهيئة التنسيق الوطني للمعارضة السورية في الداخل حسن عبد العظيم أن “الهيئة التي تعمل في الداخل السوري ترفض التدخل الأجنبي العسكري، ولكنها تؤيد إسقاط النظام السوري بكل مرتكزاته وإنهاء الاستبداد”.

وطالب حسن عبد العظيم، عقب لقاءه العربي الجامعة العربية بإرسال مراقبين عرب وكذلك دوليين الى سورية، مؤكدا أن “الثورة السورية ثورة سلمية”.

ورفض عبد العظيم إتهامات بعض اطراف المعارضة السورية لوفده بأنه يمثل معارضة مهادنة للنظام ، واصفا إتهاماتها بالهراء، مبررا الاعتداء على اعضاء وفد المعارضة الداخلية “لأنهم يرفضون التدخل الأجنبي”.

وقال: “طلبنا من الجامعة العربية ألا تعطي مهلة جديدة للنظام يضاعف فيها القمع والقتل، وإنما يجب أن توفر آليات عمل للحماية من القتل والقمع والاعتقال والتعذيب من خلال إرسال مراقبين عرب ودوليين وفتح المجال لمنظمات حقوقية وإنسانية ووسائل الإعلام العربية والدولية لتزور سورية لتعرف أن هذه الثورة سلمية وأن ما يرتكب من قتل لن يكسر الشعب السوري”.

وعبر عبد العظيم عن موقفه حيال الدعوة إلى تجميد عضوية سورية في الجامعة العربية قائلا: “قبل التجميد نريد من الجامعة العربية أن تمارس دورها، وقبل مجيئي للأمين العام التقيت بعشرة سفراء، وحتى الصين وروسيا تطالبان بالتمسك بمبادرة الجامعة العربية، لكن هذه المبادرة إن لم تقترن بوسائل حماية للثورة والشباب سوف تكون خطرا على الثورة”.

وأضاف: “إننا نعمل بمسؤولية وطنية عالية لحماية الثورة والشباب، ونريد أن يتأكد المراقبون والإعلام أنها ثورة سلمية وتوفير وسائل الحماية لها دون أن يصل الأمر إلى حد التدخل العسكري الأجنبي”.

واكد: “نحن معارضة وطنية تريد إنتاج نظام وطني ديمقراطي يضم كل طوائف المجتمع السوري، ونرفض الإقصاء، والبعض يريد إقصائنا لأننا نرفض التدخل الأجنبي”.

المصدر: وكالات

http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/571280

November 9th, 2011, 1:04 pm

 

Tara said:

25 civilians killed in Syria today. 6 in Damascus suburb of Barzeh and 4 in Hama. The AL must declare its initiative to have failed!

November 9th, 2011, 1:08 pm

 

Bronco said:

MajedAlkhaldoon

Obviously you have no clue of what I am saying.

You believe in the ready made imported judeo-christian ‘democracy’, I don’t. I believe that Arabs can do it differently and better.

That closes the subject.

November 9th, 2011, 1:13 pm

 

irritated said:

Tara

That makes 10, not 25. Are the other 15 unknown soldiers?

Please don’t forget to add the disclaimers:
Activists reported … and it cannot be independently verified.

November 9th, 2011, 1:16 pm

 

irritated said:

#362 newfolder

“another clear video of security forces shooting at a funeral in Barzeh Damascus today in which 6 died ”

You must have a sixth sense to understand what is going on in that ‘clear’ video.

November 9th, 2011, 1:21 pm

 

Mina said:

Majed, Newfolder,
if you were a new judge in this democracy you call for how would you punish the crime of “blasphemy” ?

November 9th, 2011, 1:25 pm

 

zoo said:

Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a “liar”

08/11/2011

PARIS (Reuters) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy branded Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu “a liar” in a private conversation with U.S. President Barack Obama that was accidentally broadcast to journalists during last week’s G20 summit in Cannes.

“I cannot bear Netanyahu, he’s a liar,” Sarkozy told Obama, unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.

“You’re fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,” Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.

http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27247

November 9th, 2011, 1:28 pm

 

Tara said:

Irritated

25 including 6 in Barzeh and 4 in Hama. Do not know where the rest are from.

Irritated, as long as the regime continues to ban free press, I invite you to believe what the activists say. No disclaimer needed.

November 9th, 2011, 1:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Muslim Brotherhood Wants ‘democratic’ Syria
Wednesday, 05 October 2011 20:39
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2011/Oct-03/150342-muslim-brotherhood-wants-democratic-syria-ex-leader.ashx#axzz1ZrR8n3K3

DOHA: The Muslim Brotherhood wants a “democratic” Syria not an Islamic state to replace the regime of embattled President Bashar al-Assad, the group’s former leader said late on Sunday.

Speaking at a conference organised by the Brookings Doha centre in the Qatari capital, Bayanouni said the Brotherhood was “not imposing itself on the opposition or on the people of Syria.”

“We support the establishment of a modern, civil, democratic state,” he said.

Bayanouni said the newly formed Syrian National Council represents “80 percent of the Syrian opposition.”

Opposition groups, both Islamist and secular, announced the council’s formation at a meeting in Istanbul on Sunday, vowing to forge a united front against Assad’s regime.

{…}

November 9th, 2011, 1:37 pm

 

irritated said:

#370 Tara

Sorry, I won’t believe them. They have proved at several occasions to have inflated the casualties and reported false, unreliable and contradictory information. The videos they post as proofs have become worthless.

November 9th, 2011, 1:45 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Bronco is with democracy , but has his own definition of democracy,God only knows.

Mina equate democracy of how do we punish people.

And they call themselves educated people.

November 9th, 2011, 1:46 pm

 

newfolder said:

[Alex: Warning. Next time you will be banned for one week]

# 367 what do you think is going on ya ibn el sharmota?????? are they hunting ducks or on a fishing trip? they’re firing rifles at the funeral …. point blank at people …. jay titfalsaf 3ala airna???

kiss ikhtak 3ala ikhton, we will hunt you down and kill you all one by one ya wlad il sharameet

November 9th, 2011, 1:49 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

Bayanouni said the newly formed Syrian National Council represents “80 percent of the Syrian opposition.”

That was a typo, he just meant to say “80 Syrian opposition”

November 9th, 2011, 1:53 pm

 

zoo said:

A new opposition group lead by Abdul-Halim Khaddam is born in Paris
“we are not in competition with anybody’

(Reuters) 7 November 2011, 9:44 PM
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle11.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2011/November/middleeast_November185.xml&section=middleeast
PARIS – A new Syrian opposition group backed by Bashar al-Assad’s former Vice-President Abdul-Halim Khaddam said on Monday it wanted to unify the various opposition strands and use “all means” necessary to oust the Syrian leader.

The National Committee to Support the Syrian Revolution was unveiled in Paris on Monday with 65 founding members including lawyers, businessmen and doctors as well as Khaddam, who served Assad and his father Hafez al-Assad for nearly 30 years.

The group, which has yet to make contact with other opposition groups such as the Syrian National Council (SNC), said it had grown frustrated by the various opposition groups’ inability to unite and cited a lack of an emblematic figure as a main obstacle to galvanising Syrians.

“This committee is not in competition with anybody,” Khaddam, who fled to Paris in 2005, said. “We don’t want to discredit the SNC or its members and respect everybody that is working towards ending the massacres, but for now the opposition is not united … and despite all these initiatives we don’t have a clear message — to bring the regime down.”

Khaddam tried four years ago to establish a government-in-exile but fell out with other opposition groups and is widely mistrusted by Syrian dissidents who recall his time in office.

“We will support the opposition by using all means whether inside or outside the country,” he said.

Troops loyal to Assad have moved into a residential district of Homs, Syria’s third-largest city, after six days of tank bombardment that killed scores of people and wounded hundreds in the city in a continued military crackdown to suppress protests and an emerging insurgency.

Assad’s government agreed last week to a plan by Arab states to end hostilities, withdraw troops from cities and free prisoners, but the opposition says violence has continued and dismissed the government’s motives.

National Committee President Talal Al-Terkawi, a Syrian businessman from Homs now based in Saudi Arabia, said Arab nations had still not understood that Damascus was merely playing for time. “Arab nations have to understand once and for all the will of the government doesn’t exist to stop the massacre. They are trying to gain time to continue killing,” Terkawi said.

“Our people can’t continue to wait. The Arab League has failed and the Arab world has to understand once and for all that the desire of the Syrian regime to find a solution and stop the repression doesn’t exist,” he said.

Terkawi called for the international community to intervene in Syria and establish a no-fly zone similar to Libya that would enable army defectors to “rise up”. There has been no sign of an appetite in the West for military intervention.

November 9th, 2011, 2:03 pm

 

Tara said:

Camille,

I have a question for you. Why did you delete Dale Andersen Alawi’s jokes and allowed SNP’s post describing Muhammed as child molester? Can you explain yourself? Is it ok to offend billions of Muslims and not ok to offend Alawis. Doesn’t a moderation policy need to be consistent?

November 9th, 2011, 2:10 pm

 

newfolder said:

this is what the security scum did in Barzeh today, executing people at funerals has there ever been lower filth than this in all human history?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U30mYAuGpXI

they executed the guy whom they had in custody in this video with the white shirt:

November 9th, 2011, 2:14 pm

 

Tara said:

Bronco

Can you share with us your feeling when you watch the repeated footage of demonstrators being forced to kiss the boot of a shabeeh thug? Do you feel the same anger and hatred I feel. Can you relate?

I have condemned the unhumane end of Quaddafi by the Libyan rebels and the averageTara in me still does. I must admit though as I watch these footage, my blood boils and becomes angry, very very angry and at that time, I just wish Bashar a similar fate.

November 9th, 2011, 2:21 pm

 

Syrian Nationalist Party said:

@TARA

Because he knows we don’t really means what is said, SNP is just verbally agitating Moslems to stop the Syria gambit and hopefully avert Iran’s gambit as well. In response to provocation by that fake Tlass.

For SNP we believe that Syrian-Israeli peace is reachable, Lebanon will join as well when things gets serious. This peace negates any alleged strength, or so called threat to the Middle East gained by Iran Nuclear program. Why no one seems interested in any peaceful options but gunning for wars only.

Have anyone taken a minute to comprehend what Syrian-Israeli peace will bring to the region, we did, and it look awesome in term of economic development, all countries in the region, including Turkey and Iran, as well as Egypt needs this breakthrough. Why this seemingly easy solution is not contemplated, strange indeed.

November 9th, 2011, 2:22 pm

 

newfolder said:

#377 don’t even bother asking, it’s obvious. Everyone knows these forums are run by hardline pro-regime Christians and Alawis. They’ve been exposed many times before, they’re shameful and manipulative under the guise of allowing free debate. Of course, they just delete what they don’t like and leave the rest. Screw em, we will get them later on, we have bigger fish to fry now.

November 9th, 2011, 2:25 pm

 

Tara said:

Irritated@ 372

May be you don’t believe them because you can’t live with yourself if you do? We call this selective beliefs a defense mechanism. It happens to me too in some other settings. I sometimes believe that certain people I like do like me too despite blinding evidence to the contrary…. It is part of the human nature. You believe what you want to believe. Think about it.

November 9th, 2011, 2:29 pm

 

irritated said:

#382 Tara

When there are no irrefutable proofs, yes,
“You believe what you want to believe.”

I agree.

November 9th, 2011, 2:33 pm

 

Alex said:

Tara, because I did not see it until now. My email is on the top right corner of the page. If anyone sees an offensive comment email me to let me know.

SNP is banned for one week. He already received a warning last month.

Newfolder you have a warning for comment number 374. Next time you will be banned for one week.

November 9th, 2011, 2:38 pm

 

Tara said:

Camille

I thought so too. I realize it is impossible to constantly check the comments. Thank you.

November 9th, 2011, 2:43 pm

 

newfolder said:

#383

8 months of thousands of videos, bodies with bullet holes and children with their heads blown off aren’t proof enough for the scum that make excuses and cover up for this filthy regime.

I wonder what you’ll say when the shoe is on the other foot? when we come after you and your people for revenge, for what you’ve done to us and our country. I guess I’ll just sit and refute all the “evidence” that you produce, let’s see how you like that.

November 9th, 2011, 2:48 pm

 

Alex said:

Newfolder

Next time you use threats you will be banned. Go back and read your comments.

“Screw em, we will get them later on, we have bigger fish to fry now.”

November 9th, 2011, 2:49 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

#362 newfolder said:

another clear video of security forces shooting at a funeral in Barzeh Damascus today in which 6 died
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqq-NPnVUQ

The video is only 17 seconds long. That must make it suspicious to begin with. Next, the audio sounds bogus: (1) a clearly artificial electronic choir is heard for the first five seconds and (2) after the first five seconds far more shooting noises are heard than what’s conceivably explainable directly or indirectly from the video. Next, what the video shows is security forces firing into the air. The security forces have a policy of not firing at demonstrators. But firing into the air is permitted to give notice to an unlicensed demonstration that it is to be dispersed. The band of demonstrators in this video has deliberately and maliciously blocked movement of traffic on a major traffic street. The government and the law gives the people the right to protest and demonstrate in public. But demonstrations must be regulated.

#362 newfolder claims the scene involves a funeral procession, but we see no evidence of that in the 17 second video. I’ve seen videos of bands of demonstrators maliciously blocking either that particular street or else a street looking like it, in either Midan or Barzeh neighborhoods in Damascus during this past summer.

November 9th, 2011, 3:04 pm

 

Mina said:

Heheheheh (sorry Ann and Aboud, I thought it was appropriate)

So after Syria saying to the Iranians for the last six months “sorry folks, we can’t follow you in the stupid ‘let’s play war’ your fundamentalists have been hoping for with the no less fundamentalists and millenarists in the US and Israel,” now it is the turn of Europe to say “Sorry guys, we’re not here for anyone, too busy with our own mess!”

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/26214/Business/Economy/IEA-fears-oil-spike;-OPEC-dreads-European-defaults.aspx

http://fr.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idFRPAE7A80SX20111109

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-eurozone-idUSTRE7A831520111109

November 9th, 2011, 3:13 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

#378 newfolder said:

this is what the security scum did in Barzeh today, executing people at funerals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U30mYAuGpXI

they executed the guy whom they had in custody in this video with the white shirt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eru2xzLnGpI

The guy in the white shirt is the same guy in both videos alright. But the video of him shot, he’s only pretending to be shot. You can appreciate it’s an act by looking how he chooses to move his head at time 0:57. “Fake it till you make it” failed as a strategy for the dissidents.

November 9th, 2011, 3:19 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

How reliable is the reported defection of 65 tanks in #328.

November 9th, 2011, 3:24 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

Another nut, Anthony Shadid, is quoted at #294 above, in turn quoting the International Crisis Group, asserting with no supporting evidence that “What support today the regime enjoys is almost entirely of a negative sort — fear of sectarian retribution, Islamism, foreign interference, social upheaval or, more simply, anxiety about the unknown.” I’m going to argue that that’s nutty, i.e. mistaken.

If the regime’s support were almost entirely of a negative sort, that’d mean that the political landscape had a foundation for a competitor to emerge. But you can’t show me even a weakly viable competitor in formation. You can’t show me signs that a significant number of the Syrian middle class are looking around for an alternative, or are chattering in numbers about an alternative, or are giving much attention to what any of the dissident parties are putting out politically. That void is one piece of good evidence that the regime is positively supported on a wide scale.

Once the legislative and Constitutional changes announced by regime are completed, there will be no major disagreement between regime and the dissidents on the structure of the institutions of the State. On social and economic policies the major disagreements between regime and the dissidents are restricted to sundry wings of the dissidents (such as the MB wing), and not the dissidents as a whole. These various wings are known to have only small and slim political support in Syria. The opposition as a whole does not have a program for change beyond what the Assad regime itself has declared itself in favour of implementing. That is, the opposition parties have not created an alternative policy agenda or forward vision that throws the regime on the defensive or casts the regime into a negative light. That is, there is a void of politically viable alternative policies, in addition to the void of alternative parties. This void is another piece of good evidence that the regime is positively supported on a wide scale.

The senior spokespeople of the regime have said repeatedly that this year’s program of reforms should’ve been done before this year. It’s a negative that the reforms were late, are late. But from all that I’m able to see, that particular negative is not being held against the regime in Syria severely. At the Syrian National Dialog Meeting, 12 July 2011, as reported by SANA: “Some participants characterized the recent crisis in Syria as caused by a compound between a conspiracy and the government’s mistakes of the past. Participants also called for not wasting time on discussing the mistakes of the past and focusing on the future and the way to emerge from the crisis.” Other than the particular negative of being late with the reforms, what other negatives are the people of Syria at large holding the regime in bad repute for? The dissidents’ allegation of regime corruption is not accepted by the population at large, I say. Year after year Bashar emphasizes over and over the importance of purging Syrian society of the scourge of corruption. Bashar is, by far, the number one anti-corruption campaigner in Syria. I ask you, what other negatives does the society at large hold the regime in bad repute for — you must have supporting evidence in terms of the society at large, and you are not allowed to rely on unsubstantiated impressions gained from foreign news media. The regime won the media war inside Syria this year by a wide wide margin, and lost the media war outside Syria by a wide wide margin.

For a litany of further evidence that the regime is in a very strong position politically in Syria see http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=12509&cp=all#comment-281318

November 9th, 2011, 3:35 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Al Arabiya opinion piece:

When will the “Ship-Jumping” phase begin in Syria?
By Ali Ibrahim

Wednesday, 09 November 2011

[Selected quote]

…the regime is under intense pressure internally, for there must be groups or individuals within the regime or its institutions who believe that the current leadership is steering the whole ship towards a collision with the rocks, whereby all will drown unless they start to jump ship now. We may not be witnessing that now, but similar historical cases have all witnessed the “jump ship” phase at some point.

http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2011/11/09/176235.html

November 9th, 2011, 3:56 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The threat against Iran is real and serious,this will change the ME map.

November 9th, 2011, 3:58 pm

 

Tara said:

The protestors should’ve chosen something else other than eggs. They should’ve not provided an opportunity for the Shabbeeha thugs to credit themselves with setting “eggs” trend.

Syria opposition figures pelted with eggs by angry protesters
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8879489/Syria-opposition-figures-pelted-with-eggs-by-angry-protesters.html

Demonstrators accuse Syrian opposition figures of working covertly for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad ahead of their meeting in Cairo with the Arab league.

November 9th, 2011, 4:01 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

#393 UZAIR8 quotes the London-based deputy editor-in-chief of Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper, in an opinion dated 9 November 2011, “The regime is under intense pressure internally.” That opinion piece doesn’t provide any evidence to support the truth of that idea. I’ve repeatedly put up the evidence that it’s a falsehood, including at http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=12509&cp=all#comment-281318 . I challenge UZAIR8, or anyone else, to offer substantive evidence that the regime is under pressure internally. Citing the opinion of some schmuck at Asharq al-Awsat ain’t evidence. I expect to get no intelligent reply to this challenge (and probably no reply at all), which’ll affirm my confidence that the regime’s political position inside Syria is very very strong.

November 9th, 2011, 4:27 pm

 

Tara said:

I wouldn’t interpret the meeting between the AL Secretary General and the NCC / Binaa-Syris as a political victory against the SNC. Of course Alarabi must meet with any entity calls itself “opposition” even if it is a well known fake opposition. I do not know what is going to happen on Saturday but if the AL declares the initiative as a failure, they must demonstrate that they have talken all due steps and that they were not biased in favor of the SNC to start with. Alarabi has already met with Ghalioun and the SNC. It is just logical to meet with the others.

November 9th, 2011, 4:31 pm

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

Iraqization of the Syrian uprise.
[ warning!: VERY graphic ]
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=184077091678154

Revlon, Majed,

This is why the militarization of this struggle is a mistake. In my eyes at least.
.

November 9th, 2011, 4:38 pm

 

jad said:

YMG,
I think that you might be right that the regime is very strong, even the snake-head filthman is pessimist and his statement show his frustration, I guess because nothing he and his team planned/planning worked so far.
One more note, if that filthman know that democratic changes in Syria are going to be difficult and long how can he ask for changes to happen overnight?
Who is the party that is calling for the destruction of Syria every day and calling for more arms and more violence, isn’t it his puppets…

“أعلن مساعد وزيرة الخارجية الاميركية لشؤون الشرق الاوسط جيفري فيلتمان أن “عملية الانتقال الديمقراطي في سوريا ستكون طويلة وصعبة”، مشيرا في تصريح له الى ان “الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد يعمل على تدمير سوريا وتقويض الإستقرار وعليه التنحي”.

Pokemon met with Amr Mousa as the ‘EX’ chief of the AL?! I guess to give him the orders of what to do on Saturday, meeting Alaarabi would be too obvious:

بان كي مون يلتقي عمرو موسى في مقر الأمم المتحدة
رفض المتحدث الرسمي باسم الأمين العام للأمم المتحدة ماتننسيركي الكشف عن أسباب لقاء الأمين العام للمنظمة الدولية بان كي مون في وقت لاحق في نيويورك مع الأمين العام السابق للجامعة العربية عمرو موسى، واكتفى المتحدث بالقول إن “مكتب الأمين العام سيصدر بيانا عما دار في اللقاء”.
وأوضح في المؤتمر الصحفي اليومي أن “بان كي مون سيلتقي عمرو موسى بوصفه أمينا عاما سابقا للجامعة العربية”.

November 9th, 2011, 4:51 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

@JAD: The opinion of that snakehead filthman don’t mean nothin’. And if his poxy opinion were completely different from whatever it is, it’d still mean nothin’, provided he’s not talking about bombing.

@JAD: Repeating myself from an earlier post, Al-Arabi and Amr Mousa are impotent in the face of this: “Egypt’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Amr Kamel saluted Syria, its leadership and President al-Assad for their wisdom and their prioritizing of what’s in Syria’s national interest to keep Syria strong and united.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/11/02/379589.htm

November 9th, 2011, 5:05 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara #400

“Alarabi has already met with Ghalioun and the SNC. It is just logical to meet with the others”

The SNC told Arabi NO, we are NOT going to have a dialog. It means that they reject the AL roadmap and the AL initiative. Then they have the arrogance to dictate the AL what to do. They really have a high opinion of themselves. The alternative of the dialog they propose is more violence and a civil war. Do you think the AL will go along with that?

The NCC said yes, we want to stop the bleeding and we want to save the country from civil war. Now that the AL is offering a guarantee that the regime will sit and dialog for reforms, there is no need of demonstrations. The ones who want to exacerbate the streets and call for violent revenge are the ones who prefer the civil war to the dialog.

My hope is that the AL will start the dialog with the NCC and Hassan Abdel Azim as a leader. Mr Ghalioun and the cockroach Radwan Ziadeh will have to crawl back under the dialog table if they don’t want to dissappear into thin air, despite the support and funding they are getting from Turkey, Juppe, Hariri and Abdel now Halim Khaddam!

November 9th, 2011, 5:37 pm

 

bronco said:

Tara #379

I have stopped watching footages month ago.
In every conflicts, there are ugly, cruel and dirty people, on both sides. It is repulsive but that’s the way it has always been with humans.
Because t he video posted by newfolder brought some discussions, I decided to make an exception and look at it carefully.
In the video, you see people walking casually near the ‘soldiers’. Isn’t strange if these soldiers were a threat or were really shooting? Why was the camera on the top of a building in the first place, what was the intention of the camera operator? There is no zoom on the supposed ‘funeral’, you see it from far. They could be a group or civilians or armed men, you just can’t see.
The sound appears as it was added: The people continue to walk peacefully in the street as the sound of ‘shooting’ starts. We don’t see any one fall despite the noise.
Third, we don’t see the actual ‘execution’ of the white shirt guy. Conveniently the camera stops as he is standing, then in the next video the guy is on the ground, what happened in between has been skipped, erased, edited?
Much too suspicious for me to be convincing.

I won’t look anymore at any other videos of alleged shooting, they seem more and more fabricated.

November 9th, 2011, 5:52 pm

 

annie said:

An expert I never saw here. Rime Allaf…

“Syria and the Arab League’s Peace Plan
Wednesday 9 November 2011 by Rime Allaf, Associate Fellow, Middle East and North Africa Programme

On 6 November, the first day of Eid Al-Adha, Syrian regime forces were filmed firing heavily and indiscriminately at unarmed civilians in Qaboun, Damascus. While this isn’t the first time the regime has waged war on a civilian population during holy days, it is the first time this happened so soon after the public acceptance of an initiative to end the stalemate. The Arab League sponsored peace plan, accepted by the regime, stipulated that it had to withdraw its armed forces, release all prisoners of conscience, allow international media and monitors into the country, and begin a Cairo-based dialogue with Syrian opposition.

Eight months into the uprising, and after repeated pleas from governments and international organizations alike, the Arab League is the only entity which has managed to get a reaction of sorts from the Syrian regime thus far. For all the scorn and derision Arabs usually reserve for the organization, the Arab League has become a crucial player with regards to unfolding events in Syria. It may yet prove to be a critical element in the probable isolation of the Syrian regime.

Heavyweight supporters of the Syrian regime, such as Russia and China, are running out of patience, after the regime’s apparent misunderstanding that their veto on a strong Security Council resolution did not equate a carte blanche in how they handled the uprising. The Assad regime has miscalculated, as it often does, its own room for manoeuvre by turning more Syrians against it, losing significant allies such as Turkey and Qatar, destroying the rekindled relationship with several European countries, and realizing that it cannot depend on Iran alone – it is now stuck in a corner.

The regime has spent the last eight months claiming, unconvincingly, that there was a dangerous foreign conspiracy aimed at sowing chaos in the country; nevertheless, it has suddenly accepted an initiative which clearly supports the narrative and the demands of the protestors and the opposition, thereby admitting that the conspiracy theory is inexistent, and, more importantly, that it needs the relative support of the Arab world.

This doesn’t mean that the Assad regime intends to abide by this plan: on the contrary, it still continues to say one thing and do another. Violence has increased, particularly in Homs over the four days of the Eid holiday. Many Syrians have condemned the Arab League for its naïveté in initially granting President Assad a two-week period to comply with the plan’s stipulations. Representatives from the newly-formed Syrian National Council (SNC) met with Arab League Secretary General Nabil Araby to relay their demands in the wake of these intensified attacks.

It is improbable that the Arab League expected Syria to uphold its commitment to the plan, but it did hope for at least a modicum of actions which could be taken as a first step in a long process to diffuse the stalemate, especially when most in the Syrian opposition are demanding the League’s intervention in securing protection for civilians from the regime’s attacks.

The perspective of the broad opposition varies little amongst different groups, reflecting the minimum demand of the revolutionaries, namely the fall of the regime, keeping civilian protests united and peaceful, and rejecting foreign military intervention. This has been well-publicized through the SNC, and reactions to the Eid address of its president, Burhan Ghalioun, have been overwhelmingly positive.

This is why the Syrian regime has desperately been seeking a partner which calls itself opposition but which would be agreeable to a dialogue on so-called reform, rather than negotiating the dismantling of the regime. The Arab League, which has agreed to a meeting on 9 November at the request of non-SNC opposition individuals, could be instrumental in hastily arranging such a dialogue.

Even with such a volte-face and the help of dialogue-friendly opponents, however, the Assad regime would merely be buying itself more time and trying, again, to eradicate the uprising instead of making significant concessions to placate an angry population. If the last eight months are any indication, the intransigent Syrian regime merely seems to be digging an even bigger hole for itself. Unless immediate changes are made it is increasingly probable that the Arab League may suspend Syria’s membership and defer the Syria issue to the UN Security Council.

Refusing to abide by the plan of the inept Arab League and insisting on the folly of its own self-destructive violence has put the Syrian regime in a very unique position: it has provided the League with the power to decide on whether it remains engaged with the rest of the Arab world, or whether it becomes isolated, regionally and beyond.”

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November 9th, 2011, 5:56 pm

 

irritated said:

#406 Annie

“An expert I never saw here. Rime Allaf”

“the plan of the inept Arab League” a slip of the tongue or intentionally contemptuous ?

http://www.rimeallaf.com/articles/article.php?d=09&m=11&y=2011

November 9th, 2011, 6:18 pm

 

Halabi said:

I love that minhebaks think that Abdel Halim Khaddam is the source of all evil. Shouldn’t you thank Hafez for giving this guy power, and Bashar for letting him get away with his stolen treasure intact.

Still, I know that both Khaddam and Rifaat are hated figures by most Syrians (because deep down, all Syrians dislike the corrupt government), so they will be included in the trials in a free Syria. Or we can wait for Assad’s reforms – I think there will be an anti-corruption campaign in the five year plan of 2045.

November 9th, 2011, 6:27 pm

 

jad said:

د. بدر الدين دغمش
ان ما حصل اليوم في القاهره هو جريمة كبرى بحق الديمقراطيه التي ننشدها ونتطلع اليها – قام بها زعران وشبيحة المجلس الوطني السوري – ان هؤلاء المعارضين الذين اهينوا وضربوا بالبيض والحجاره ؟ ليسوا باقل وطنيه وغيره على الوطن من كل اعضاء المجلس الوطني -اطالب الدكتور برهان غليون بالتحقيق الفوري بهذه الجريمه وتحديد المسؤوليات والاشاره الى المسؤولين من اعضاء المجلس عن ما حدث ونشر نتيجة التحقيق فورا واقصاء المسؤولين عن ذلك والتحقيق معهم لأنني اعتبرهم مدسوسين من النظام لتشويه الوجه الحضاري للثوره السوريه والاشاره الى انها نسخه جديده ومنقحه عن النظام الذي دأب على عدم قبول الآخر منذ قيامه – ان بعض هؤلاء المعارضين شاركتهم الاقامه في سجون النظام وهم اكثر وطنيه من بعض منظري المجلس الوطني –

November 9th, 2011, 6:30 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

SNP is banned for one week. He already received a warning last month.

Alex,

Nice to know you guys are still around to oversee the website. SNP is one sick puppy.

November 9th, 2011, 6:41 pm

 

jad said:

المجلس الذي لا يحترم حق الآخر في الاختلاف والحرية لا يمثلني
by Burhan Ghalioun on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 at 11:35am
الاعتداء الذي وقع على شخصيات سياسية سورية من هيئة التنسيق الوطني أمام مقر الجامعة العربية في القاهرة حدث خطير، يسيء إلى المجلس الوطني الذي أراد المعتصمون أن يعبروا عن دعمهم له، كما يسيء إلى المعارضة بأكلمها.
يسيء إلى المجلس لأنه أتي من طرف جمهور يعتبر المجلس الوطني ممثله، ويربط بشكل غير مباشر بين الولاء للمجلس ورفض الآخر وعدم القبول بالاختلاف في الرأي، حتى لو كان ذلك في صفوف المعارضة نفسها.
وهو يسيء للمعارضة السورية بأكملها لانه يظهرها منقسمة ومتنازعة وغير قادرة على الوصول إلى موقف واحد، بل على ضبط خلافاتها، وبالتالي يقدم للنظام فرصة للمساس بالمعارضة والثورة واستخدام الاعتداء كدليل على عجزها عن التفاهم.
والحال أن المجلس الوطني لا يمثلنا إلا لأنه تجسيد لأملنا بالحرية والديمقراطية واحترام الآخر، وإلا فسيكون أداة لبناء ديكتاتورية جديدة ضحى الشعب بالآلاف من أرواح الشهداء من أجل الخلاص منها. وهو لا يمثلنا كشعب إلا لأنه يضم كل قوى المعارضة الممثلة للشعب ويجمع بينها ويضمن التعايش الديمقراطي في ما بينها. وليس لمعركته ومعركتنا قيمة إلا لأنها تبشر بسورية جديدة ديمقراطية وتعددية يقبل الجميع فيها بعضهم البعض بالتساوي بصرف النظر عن آراء الآخر ومواقفه السياسية. والعلاقات بين صفوف المعارضة هي صورة عن العلاقات التي نريدها في الدولة القادمة..
فأذا كنا غير قادرين على تحمل اختلافاتنا السياسية والفكرية اليوم فما هي مشروعية مطالبتنا بالحرية التي تعني الدفاع عن حق الجميع في أن يكون لهم رأيهم الخاص وأن الاحتكام للرأي العام بالوسائل السلمية هو الطريق الوحيد للوصول إلى الاجماع، أي إلى تحديد الأغلبية السياسية صاحبة القرار؟
إن الولاء للمجلس الوطني الذي يترجم بالتعصب للرأي عدم القبول بالآخر ليس ولاءا لثورة الحرية والكرامة. وضرب الناس ورشقهم بالحجارة إهانة لنا جميعا ولثورتنا المباركة التي لا نزال نضحي من أجل انتصارها بالغالي والرخيص.
من هنا يشكل هذا الاعتداء اعتداءا على روح الثورة وفكرتها ومساسا بمشروعية نضالنا جميعا ضد النظام الطاغي. ولا بد لؤلئك الذين قاموا بالاعتداء ومن حرضهم على فعله من الاعتذار عما فعلوه وتصحيح الخطأ الذي ارتكبوه وعدم العودة إليه.
وإنني إذ أدين بكل ما أملك من قوة هذا الفعل السقيم أعبر في الوقت نفسه عن تضامني الكامل مع أخوتنا في هيئة التنسيق الذين تعرضوا للاساءة وأغلبهم من المناضلين التاريخيين الذين قضوا سنوات طويلة في السجون وتعرضوا لشتى أنواع القهر والإهانة من النظام القائم. وأنا استغل مناسبة هذا الحدث المؤلم لأدعو جميع أخواتي وإخواني في الثورة والمعارضة إلى التركيز على ما يجمعنا لا على ما يفرقنا وإلى التسليم بأن الاختلاف في الرأي والموقف السياسي أمر طبيعي وحله الوحيد هو في الحوار والنقاش والاحتكام للرأي العام، لا بالعنف ولا بالاقصاء ولا بالإساءة أو بالتخوين وتشويه صورة الآخر. هذا هو الفصل الأول من أي حياة حرة وديمقراطية نرومها ونسعى من اجلها..

November 9th, 2011, 6:44 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

I see nothing wrong to demonstrate infront of the center of AL, but they should not prevent the internal opposition from reaching the Building,it is the mistake of Egyptian security to provide room and safty for the internal opposition to get in.

November 9th, 2011, 7:02 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

Homs:

9 Nov 2011. The police chief of the city of Homs, Brigadier General Adnan Hassan, said that the days of the Eid holiday have been days of stability and calmness in the city, with ordinary people living their lives in a normal atmosphere, and he called upon journalists to visit the city to see the reality. The Chairman of the City Council in Homs, Dr. Tariq Husamuddin, said that the situation in the city is calm and heading for the better. The Syrian Security Forces today safely dismantled explosive devices near Khalidiya District of the city of Homs. http://www.shukumaku.com/Content.php?id=35992

9 Nov 2011. Head of the city Sanitation Department in Homs, Wael Obeid, said that intensified operations are underway today to clean the city’s neighborhoods and remove the debris and roadblocks set up by the armed groups in some streets. Director of Communications in Homs, Kanaan Joudeh, said that the phone network is working well in most of Homs, adding that the maintenance workers are mending defects resulting from acts of sabotage by terrorist groups. http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/11/09/380719.htm

9 Nov 2011. Seven soliders of the Syrian army were buried today. Nine army and police men were buried yesterday. Thirteen were buried on Thursday 3 Nov 2011. http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/index.htm . I hope and bet for a drop-off in the burial count over the next week.

November 9th, 2011, 7:03 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

413

You forgot to inform if buried policemen and army men were defectors or assad loyalists to the dictarorship system. Also I would like to know if they were buried alive or dead with a bullet in their head and with signs of torture. It would let us know more about who is the martyr. Sleep well thinking that the regime just needs to kill some 5.000 more until cowards can live in Syria a grey life for the rest of their lifes.

November 9th, 2011, 7:13 pm

 

Darryl said:

178. SYRIA NO KANDAHAR said:

“Majedoglu
Let us live in 2011.Haj or Omra does not make you a good or a bad person.you know and I know that from the 3 millions standing on Arafat few days ago,you can be sure that many of them were liars,killers,criminals …etc.is throwing جمرات going to wipe out all their sins?if you say so.what makes you a good or bad person is your actions,all the other crap does not save you.Many Hajjis will be hanged upside down by god for all the bad stuff they have done during there”

I was away only one day and missed so much. SNK, the Messenger said that the Islamic nation will be divided into 70 groups and only one group will make it to heaven.

Based on today’s population figure, about 19 Million of our Muslim comrades world wide will be admitted to heaven, the rest will face fire and no one knows what criteria Allah will use.

Tara, Dr Khaldoon and Khalded do you think you might be among those lucky 19 Million or the rest of 1.281 Billion?

On second thought Tara is already dis-qualified as the Messenger said he saw hell and most of its inhabitants are women.

November 9th, 2011, 7:18 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

For those cowards that line up with the powerfull side, the Assad regime, just because they think that finally opposition will be crushed, bear in mind that in the future and for the whole world (except dictatorships in China and Russia), the plain people of all countries around the globe, will not forget who is ruling the country and by what means he kept power. The image of Syria is so terribly tainted that anyone associated to support for the regime is done outside syrian borders. Do not think that we are in 1982 when a massacre in Lebanon or inside Syria could be ignored with the help of a superpower. Now everything is clear and the only thing TV watchers around the planet are expecting is the fall of the obscurantist and corrupt regime.

November 9th, 2011, 7:21 pm

 

Humanist said:

Oh…
Syrian Nazi and Danish Andersen were actually the only creative, original people on this blog ( like them or not).
Now only the unorginal, booring, usual “copy and paste” robots will be left…

But I guess that is Assad’s Syria for you.
(Living in an dictatorship obviously didn’t bring/allow you any creativity…)

November 9th, 2011, 7:36 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Darryl @415

It didn’t mean divide the 1.5billion equally into 73 sects.

Sandro Lowe @416

Yes. Even in the unlikely event of the regime surviving, its reputation will be torn to shreds irreparably. With every day that goes by it is being exposed. This in itself is a victory for the oppressed.

About those who stand by the regime out of fear. The least they can do is to hate the regime in their hearts.

November 9th, 2011, 7:44 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

#406 Annie quotes a so-called “expert” saying: “On 6 November Syrian regime forces were filmed firing heavily and indiscriminately at unarmed civilians in Qaboun, Damascus.”

Undoubtedly that’s a reference to the video linked to by “newfolder” at #54 and discussed by me at #59, namely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqP4uclj6o

Another thing to notice about that video is that the security forces are only firing into the air. Freeze the frame at times 0:09, 0:10, 0:14, etc. and you’ll see that. Syria’s security forces have a longstanding policy of not firing at unarmed protesters and the policy is complied with. Firing into the air is done to give notice to an unlicensed demonstration that it is to be dispersed. Protests must be licensed because protesters sometimes use them as a cover for malicious obstruction of civil life. Here’s a repeat of what I said back at #54 about this video, and nobody has challenged it:

I say the first eight seconds were filmed at a quite different time than the rest of the video (even though I see the yellow taxi with license plate 3P13 appears before and after). The crowd you see before time 0:08 clearly exhibits unawareness of the large crowd you see after time 0:08. And the crowd you see after time 0:08 clearly exhibits unawareness of the crowd you see before time 0:08. Once you accept I’m right about that, the video as a whole is an attempted fraud.

November 9th, 2011, 7:47 pm

 

Humanist said:

Funny name this “Syria No Kandahar”

Cause I’m sure Qandaharis/Pashtuns themselves would rather say “Kandahar no Syria” as Qandahar right now seems rather stable and civilized comparing to many parts of Syria…

Mullah Omar even came up with this statement/warning recently (would Assad ever write a similar one to his Shabbiha?):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/04/mullah-omar-warns-taliban-afghan-civilians

November 9th, 2011, 7:49 pm

 

Tara said:

Dear Sandro

Can you please explain to me what makes you ( and Haytham khouri) different than all other Christians on SC. What makes you see things the same way I see them? What makes you not having a minority’s complex disorder? What makes them afraid of the fall of the crime family and makes you not afraid. You were raised in the same country they were raised in. You were exposed to the same people, ate the same food, went to same schools, watched same TV shows…what made you different?

November 9th, 2011, 7:50 pm

 

Kandahar No Syria said:

Funny name this “Syria No Kandahar”…

Cause I’m sure Qandaharis/Pashtuns themselves would rather say “Kandahar no Syria” as Qandahar right now seems rather stable and civilized comparing to many parts of Syria…

Mullah Omar even came up with this statement/warning recently (would Assad ever write a similar one to his Shabbiha?):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/04/mullah-omar-warns-taliban-afghan-civilians

November 9th, 2011, 7:52 pm

 

jad said:

أميركا وعربها مستمرّون في مواجهة الأسد
ابراهيم الأمين
سوف يكون أكيداً أن المطلوب من الآن وحتى موعد اجتماع مجلس وزراء الخارجية العرب في القاهرة، السبت المقبل، هو إعلان يومي عن عشرات القتلى في سوريا. وبالطبع، مثل أي يوم سابق، سوف يقال إن عشرين أو ثلاثين أو أكثر أو أقل قتلهم النظام. بينما تورد الأمم المتحدة تقريراً تشير فيه الى أنه سقط حتى الآن نحو 3500 قتيل في سوريا، من دون أي تفصيل أو تحديد، علماً بأن الجديد في خطاب مناهضي النظام، وخصوصاً من المسلحين الذين يطلقون على أنفسهم اسم «الجيش الحر»، أنهم باتوا يشيدون بعمليات وكمائن وتفجيرات وعمليات ذبح يقومون بها ضد القوات النظامية، وهم يشيرون كما مراكز حقوقية، منها المرصد السوري الأكثر شهرة، الى أن من يسقط هم من العناصر النظاميين. وخلال شهر من الآن، يبدو أن القوات النظامية أو الموالين لها من عناصر أمنيين أو مدنيين فقدوا أكثر من 250 شخصاً، علماً بأن السلطات في سوريا تتحدث الآن عن سقوط أكثر من 1300 قتيل من عناصر الجيش والأمن خلال المواجهات. يعني بكل بساطة أن نصف القتلى هم من أنصار النظام السوري، علماً بأنه فيما «يتفاخر» المسلحون بقتل عناصر من الجيش، فإن معارضين من جماعة السلمية، يعتبرون أن القتلى العسكريين هم جنود رفضوا الأوامر وحاولوا الفرار، لكن النظام قتلهم.
ليس أمراً جديداً التضارب في البيانات والكلام التعبوي بين معارضي النظام السوري، وهو في السياسة أكثر منه في الميدان. ولم تعد الأمور تحتاج الى توضيحات في ظل انقسام لا سابق له، ليس داخل سوريا فقط، بل بين من هم خارجها من الذين يريدون استمرار المعركة حتى سقوط بشار الأسد، ومن يريد بقاء الأسد في مكانه، وبين فريق ثالث ممنوع له الإعلان عن موقفه الداعي الى حوار يجنّب سوريا والمنطقة الخراب الكبير.
وإذا كانت المجموعات المسلحة المناصرة لمعارضي الأسد صارت تجاهر بعمليات إجرامية وحشية لا تتعرض لأي إدانة من جانب الثوار في العالم ومناصريهم ـــــ ربما هم يعتقدون أنها لا تحصل ـــــ فإن البلطجية الإعلامية والثقافية من جانب هؤلاء صارت أسلوباً يومياً من جانب الفريق الذي يعتبر كل من ينتقد المعارضة إنما هو مجرم في جيش الأسد. لكن النوع الجديد من البلطجة هو الذي لجأ إليه أنصار برهان غليون ورياض الشقفة في القاهرة عندما تعرضوا بالاعتداء لمعارضين مثل هيثم مناع وسمير العيطة وحسن عبد العظيم ليسوا في عداد المجلس الوطني لصاحبته «الشركة الأميركية ـــــ الفرنسية ـــــ القطرية للثورات»، علماً بأن باريس نفسها كانت قد قامت بنوع آخر من البلطجة عندما منعت معارضين مثل فايز سارة وميشال كيلو من عقد مؤتمر صحافي في العاصمة الفرنسية، وهم عقدوه خلسة وعنوة، كذلك بالشعارات التي احتفى بها «ثوار اليوتيوب» التي هاجمت كيلو وهيئة التنسيق السورية لأنها رفضت الدعوة الى التدخل الأجنبي. على أن الأكثر قوة في الحضور البلطجي، هو مسارعة وزارة الخارجية الأميركية الى دعوة المسلحين السوريين الى عدم الاستجابة لدعوة السلطات لتسليم أنفسهم. ذلك ربما لأن الأميركيين صاروا يعرفون من هم هؤلاء، وأن دورهم لم ينته بعد.
بناءً عليه، وإضافة الى المفهوم سياسياً، فإن المعطيات الكثيرة الواردة تشير كما كان متوقعاً منذ شهر تقريباً، إلى أن التصعيد السياسي والدبلوماسي الغربي سوف يزداد قوة على كل أطراف المحور: إيران من خلال الكلام على البرنامج النووي، «حماس» من خلال ملف الدولة الفلسطينية ومحاولة احتواء موقفها بواسطة الإخوان المسلمين، حزب الله من خلال ملف المحكمة الدولية والضغط على لبنان اقتصادياً ومالياً، وسوريا من خلال جعل الحرب الأهلية حالة حقيقية تستوجب التدخل باسم الإنسانية وخلافه. ولذلك فمن غير المنطقي توقع أن تبادر أطراف المحور العامل على تقويض استقرار دول عدة الى التوقف عما بدأوه منذ أشهر طويلة، بل سوف يزداد الأمر. وليست مصادفة الكشف عن المزيد من شبكات تهريب الأسلحة والأموال وأجهزة الاتصال الحديثة الى سوريا عبر لبنان وتركيا والأردن وحتى العراق، بغية توفير قاعدة قتالية تقف الى جانب المجلس الوطني الذي لا يريد الغرب وجماعته من العرب أن يكون غيره ناطقاً باسم المعارضين. وسوف نسمع كل أسبوع أن النظام لم يلتزم ولم يطبق الخطة، حتى تنضج اللحظة الداخلية والإقليمية المناسبة للخروج بقرارات أو خطوات عملية أكثر قساوة ضد سوريا.
الغريب بالأمر، أن الجميع تجاهل تصريحات نُقلت عن مفتي سوريا الشيخ أحمد حسون (الذي نفاها في وقت لاحق)، قال فيها إن الرئيس السوري يريد الخروج من منصبه عندما تتحقق الإصلاحات. طبعاً، خصوم الأسد وحتى الحياديون لن يقبلوا خطوة من هذا النوع تصدر على لسان أي شخص. حتى لو قال الأسد نفسه هذا الكلام سوف يتم التعامل معه على أنه مسرحية هدفها تقطيع الوقت، وأن الإصلاحات قد تحتاج الى عقود. وبالتالي سوف يظل الأسد في منصبه، علماً بأن بعض اللصيقين بالرئيس السوري أو المطلعين أكثر على موقفه، يتحدثون عن أن الإصلاحات التي يسعى هو إلى تحقيقها إنما تتجاوز بكثير ما يطالب به المعارضون، وخصوصاً أن جل هؤلاء يريدون الشراكة في اقتسام مغانم السلطة لا أكثر، إلا إذا كان ثوار الناتو الجدد يعدون الشعب السوري بثورة تنموية وديموقراطية ومقاومة يومية حتى إخراج المحتل الإسرائيلي من الجولان، وطبعاً بمعاونة الشركة إياها التي تديرها واشنطن وباريس… وقمح!

http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/25429

November 9th, 2011, 7:53 pm

 

Tara said:

Amir

You asked me why I didn’t migrate to the Wall. Very good question…I think I know but I don’t think I can answer honestly. Forgive me for that.

November 9th, 2011, 7:57 pm

 

jad said:

عقوبات أوروبية قبل الاستحقاق العربي
توافق روسي ــ عربي على دور الجامعة… وأنباء عن قتلى في حماه ودرعا… ودمشق تجدّد عرض العفو

شهدت أحياء مدينة حمص، أمس، هدوءاً نسبياً مقارنةً بالأيام الماضية، لتنتقل موجة العنف الذي طاول مدنيين وعسكريين، إلى حماه وبرزة في دمشق وإدلب ودرعا مجدداً، وسط توافق عربي ــ روسي على أهمية مواصلة المبادرة العربية

بدا المشهد السوري، أمس، في حالة حبس أنفاس بانتظار استحقاق الجامعة العربية واجتماع وزراء خارجيتها يوم السبت المقبل في مقر الجامعة بالقاهرة، مع تأكيد أنباء المعارضة السورية أنّ شيئاً لم يتغيّر على صعيد الحملة الأمنية وحصيلة القتلى الناتجة منها ليس في حمص وحدها، بل في دمشق ودرعا وإدلب وحماه أيضاً، حيث نفت السلطات أن يكون الجيش قد دخلها في إطار عودته إلى المدينة التي سبق له أن نفّذ فيها حملة أمنية كبيرة قبل فترة.
في غضون ذلك، واصل الاتحاد الأوروبي استعداداته لفرض عقوباته المتتالية على سوريا، التي طاولت في نسختها الجديدة القطاع المصرفي، وسط خشية أن يكون الشعب السوري هو المتضرر الأكبر منها.
أما روسيا، فقد جدّدت دعمها للمبادرة العربية لوقف العنف في سوريا، مع تجديد دمشق عرضها العفو العام عن حملة السلاح «ممن لم يرتكبوا الجرائم»، وذلك رغم الدعوة الاستفزازية التي أطلقتها وزارة الخارجية الأميركية أخيراً للسوريين بعدم تسليم أنفسهم.
وجدّد وزير الخارجية الروسي سيرغي لافروف، خلال اتصال هاتفي مع الأمين العام للجامعة العربية نبيل العربي، تأكيد تأييد بلاده الثابت لمبادرة الجامعة العربية الرامية إلى تسوية الأزمة السورية.
ونقلت وكالة أنباء «نوفوستي» الروسية عن بيان لوزارة الخارجية، أن لافروف ناقش هاتفياً مع العربي «مسائل تنفيذ مبادرة جامعة الدول العربية لتجاوز الأزمة الداخلية في سوريا».
وأشار خصوصاً إلى أن الجامعة العربية تتمتع «في ظل الوضع المعقد الراهن في سوريا، بإمكانات فعلية لإيجاد حلول مناسبة، ولا يجوز ضياع هذه الفرصة». بدوره، طمأن العربي إلى أن الجامعة «ستواصل بذل جهودها لإقامة الحوار الداخلي في سوريا وضمان تذليل الأزمة في البلاد بطرق سلمية».
وجاء في بيان وزارة الخارجية الروسية أن لافروف والعربي «أعربا عن رأيهما المشترك في ضرورة وقف العنف والاستفزازات من كافة الأطراف من دون استثناء، والجلوس إلى طاولة المفاوضات»، وأشارا إلى ضرورة حث السلطات السورية والمعارضة على اتخاذ خطوات بناءة بدلاً من رفض الحوار. وكان العربي مقصد وزير الخارجية التركي أحمد داوود أوغلو الذي اتصل به أيضاً ليكون الملف السوري ثالثهما، وفق ما نقلته وكالة أنباء الأناضول التركية الحكومية التي لم تورد مضمون اتصالهما.
بدوره، يستعد الاتحاد الأوروبي لتجميد قروض المصرف الأوروبي للاستثمار المخصصة لسوريا، وذلك ضمن سلسلة جديدة من العقوبات على دمشق، حيث من المقرر أن يُصدَّق رسمياً على هذه العقوبات يوم الاثنين المقبل خلال اجتماع وزراء خارجية دول الاتحاد في بروكسل.
ونقلت وكالة «فرانس برس» عن دبلوماسي أوروبي قوله إن «العقوبات الجديدة تشمل تعليق أي قرض يعتزم المصرف منحه لسوريا، إضافة إلى تجميد الإفراج عن أي دفعة من أي قرض سبق أن أُقرّ لدمشق، ووقف كل المساعدات التقنية التي كان المصرف يقدمها لسوريا من تمويل دراسات الجدوى الاقتصادية والتدقيق المالي وغيرها». وكان المصرف الأوروبي للاستثمار قد منح قروضاً لسوريا حتى عام 2010 ناهزت قيمتها الإجمالية 1.7 مليار يورو، نصفها مخصص لقطاع الطاقة. وأقر المصرف نفسه قروضاً للفترة بين 2007 و2013 تزيد على 10.7 مليارات يورو مخصصة لتمويل مشاريع في 9 من الدول الشركاء للاتحاد، بينها سوريا إضافة إلى قروض أخرى.
داخلياً، جدّد وزير الداخلية محمد الشعار دعوته «المتورطين والمضللين الذين حملوا السلاح أو باعوه أو قاموا بتوزيعه أو نقله أو شرائه أو تمويل شرائه ولم يرتكبوا جرائم القتل للمبادرة إلى تسليم أنفسهم وأسلحتهم إلى أقرب مركز شرطة في منطقتهم ليصار إلى تركهم فوراً»، مشيراً إلى أن هذا الإجراء يعد بمثابة «عفو عام»، في تكرار لعرض العفو الذي أعلنته وزارة الداخلية يوم الجمعة الماضي.
ميدانياً، كذّبت وسائل الإعلام الحكومية أو المقربة من النظام مجدداً رواية المواقع الناطقة باسم المعارضة السورية، التي تحدثت عن مقتل 12 مدنياً بينهم طفلة أمس برصاص قوات الأمن بحسب «المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان»، إضافة إلى 7 عسكريين في اشتباكات مع مسلحين، بينما جاءت حصيلة «اتحاد التنسيقيات المحلية» أكبر مع تأكيد بياناتها سقوط 25 مدنياً على أيدي قوات الأمن.
وأوضح «المرصد» أن قتلى يوم أمس توزّعوا على النحو الآتي: 2 في حي الخالدية وشارع القاهرة (حمص) و3 في مدينة أنخل (درعا) ورجل في حي برزة (دمشق) وخمسة آخرون أثناء جنازته في وقت لاحق وواحد في دير الزور. وفي محافظة حماه، كشف «المرصد السوري» عن مقتل «سبعة جنود على الأقل خلال الاشتباكات التي تدور مع منشقين في عدة قرى قرب مدينة محردة».
وفي إدلب «تدور اشتباكات عنيفة بين الجيش النظامي السوري ومسلحين يعتقد أنهم منشقون في قرية خان السبل قرب سراقب»، بحسب المرصد. غير أنّ محافظ حماه أنس الناعم نفى لـ«سانا» «الأنباء عن تمركز وحدات للجيش في ساحة العاصي» في إطار الأنباء التي تحدثت عنها المعارضة عن عودة الجيش إلى المحافظة.
وفي السياق، أوردت «سانا» أسماء 9 قتلى من قوات الأمن شُيِّعوا أمس من مستشفى تشرين وحمص، إضافة إلى تأكيدها مقتل عنصرين من قوى حفظ النظام في حمص هما محمود عليان وأحمد الحلاق، و8 عناصر «في كمين نصبه مسلحون» أول من أمس جنوب مدينة معرة النعمان بمحافظة إدلب، و3 مدنيين في حمص بينهم طفلة.
(رويترز، أ ف ب، يو بي آي، سانا)
http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/25393

محتجون في القاهرة يرشقون وفداً للمعارضة السورية الداخلية بالبيض
تصويب غربي على دمشق … يستعجل إجهاض المبادرة العربية

اعطت واشنطن وباريس مؤشرات اضافية على انهما تجاوزتا المبادرة العربية حول الازمة السورية، بنية اجهاضها، قبل ايام من اجتماع المجلس الوزاري العربي السبت المقبل، وذلك سواء من خلال الترويج للحديث عن مرحلة ما بعد حكم الرئيس بشار الاسد، وتسريب معلومات حول عروضات لجوء له قدمها زعماء عرب، او من خلال تجديد استخدام فكرة «حماية المدنيين» وهو ما قوبل باعتراضات جديدة من روسيا والصين والهند التي رفضت تكرار «المأساة الليبية».
في هذا الوقت، تعرض وفد من المعارضة السورية في الداخل الى الرشق بالبيض والبندورة والضرب، خلال محاولته الدخول الى مقر الجامعة العربية في القاهرة للاجتماع بأمينها العام نبيل العربي، ما يظهر الخلاف الواضح بين المعارضة الداخلية التي ترفض التدخل الخارجي في الشؤون السورية، والتي طالبت الجامعة العربية بعدم اعطاء النظام مهلة جديدة لزيادة القمع، ومعارضة الخارج التي تسعى الى هذا الامر، وذلك قبل يومين من اجتماع لوزراء الخارجية العرب لدراسة التطورات في سوريا.
وأعلن مساعد وزيرة الخارجية الأميركية لشؤون الشرق الادنى جيفري فيلتمان، امام لجنة فرعية للخارجية في مجلس الشيوخ الاميركي، «كل القادة العرب تقريبا يقولون الشيء نفسه: ينبغي ان ينتهي نظام (الرئيس بشار) الأسد. التغيير في سوريا حتمي». وأضاف ان «عددا من القادة العرب بدأوا باقتراح اللجوء على الاسد لدفعه الى التخلي عن السلطة بهدوء وبسرعة».
وأعلن فيلتمان ان السفير الأميركي لدى سوريا روبرت فورد الذي سحب الشهر الماضي لاسباب امنية سيعود الى منصبه «خلال اسابيع، اعني اياماً او اسابيع».
وقال فيلتمان ان «الاحتجاجات العنيفة غير مجدية»، مضيفا «نعتقد انه في الظرف الراهن تكمن قوتهم في التظاهرات السلمية» مشيرا خصوصا الى التجار السوريين الذين يقفلون محلاتهم تضامنا مع حركة المعارضة.
وتابع «نشجع المعارضة وحلفاءنا في المنطقة على الاستمرار في رفض العنف. عدم التخلي عن العنف، صراحة، يجعل القمع الوحشي للنظام أكثر سهولة». واشار الى ان «المقاومة المسلحة ستصب في مصلحة النظام وستقسم المعارضة». ووصف مثل «هذه المقاومة بانها ستكون وبالا على اعداء النظام». وتابع ان «بشار الاسد يدمر سوريا ويزعزع المنطقة. رسالتنا الى الرئيس الاسد بسيطة: استقل واترك مواطنيك يبدأون المرحلة الانتقالية نحو الديموقراطية»، معتبرا انه مع العقوبات المفروضة على دمشق «زادت عزلة سوريا».
وكرر المتحدث باسم وزارة الخارجية الأميركية مارك تونر دعوة واشنطن للمسلحين السوريين الى عدم إلقاء السلاح وتسليم انفسهم للسلطات من اجل الحصول على عفو. وقال «من غير الحكيم للمتظاهرين تسليم أنفسهم لان سجلات النظام السوري تشير الى العنف وتعذيب المعارضين». واعتبر ان «انتقال سوريا من الدكتاتورية الى الديموقراطية يجب ان تكون سلمية».
وردا على دعوة واشنطن المسلحين لعدم الاستسلام للشرطة على الرغم من صدور وعد بالعفو عنهم من قبل السلطات السورية، قالت دمشق، في بيان في مجلس الامن، ان «الجمهورية العربية السورية تعتبر ان الولايات المتحدة ومن خلال اعلان وزارة الخارجية متورطة مباشرة في الاضطرابات العنيفة في سوريا». واضاف ان «هذا الموقف الاميركي يعكس النية لاجهاض جهود الجامعة العربية من اجل التوصل الى نهاية للازمة في سوريا».
مجلس الأمن
وقال مندوب فرنسا لدى الامم المتحدة جيرار آرو، اثناء نقاش في مجلس الامن حول حماية المدنيين في مناطق تشهد نزاعا مسلحا، ان «مجلس الامن تخلى عن مسؤولياته: البعض (الصين وروسيا) استخدموا النقض (الفيتو) ضد عمل لمجلس الامن ولو محدودا. آخرون اختاروا الامتناع، اي اللامبالاة». وأضاف ان «فرنسا ستواصل العمل بعزم لكي يضطلع المجلس اخيرا بدوره وهو الذي استطاع ال تثبت من كلفة عدم تحركه».
من جهتها، اعتبرت مندوبة الولايات المتحدة سوزان رايس ان «سوريا تمثل في مجال حماية
المدنيين التحدي الاكثر إلحاحا بالنسبة الى مجلس الامن». وأضافت انه وعلى الرغم من الفيتو المزدوج الروسي الصيني، فإن «الازمة في سوريا تبقى على جدول اعمال مجلس الامن ولن نتوقف حتى يضطلع هذا المجلس بمسؤولياته».
وتطرق المندوب الروسي فيتالي تشوركين، وهو يورد الضربات الجوية لحلف شمال الاطلسي في ليبيا، الى «محاولات تلاعب غير مقبولة بقرارات التفويض الصادرة عن مجلس الامن». ورأى ان مثل هذه الاعمال «تخرب احتمال القيام بأعمال مشتركة من المجتمع الدولي في اوضاع مماثلة».
من جهته، قال مندوب الهند في الامم المتحدة هارديب سينغ بوري «نعتقد ان عددا من الدول الاعضاء (في المجلس) يرغبون بقوة في استخدام موارد مهمة للحصول على تغيير النظام باسم حماية المدنيين». وشدد نظيره الصيني لي باودونغ على انه يتعين استبعاد اي «دوافع سياسية» في العمليات المتعلقة بحماية المدنيين.
واعتبرت المفوضة السامية لحقوق الإنسان نافي بيلاي «حيثما تنتهك الحقوق الأساسية للإنسان وتقابل المطالب السلمية بالتغيير بعنف وحشي يضطر الناس في آخر المطاف للجوء إلى التمرد على الطغيان والقمع». وأضافت «حدث ذلك في ليبيا وربما يحدث في سوريا. يرفض المزيد والمزيد من الجنود أن يصبحوا شركاء في جرائم دولية وينضمون إلى الجانب الآخر. ثمة احتمال كبير أن تنزلق سوريا إلى صراع مسلح».
وقال وزير الخارجية البريطاني وليام هيغ، في بيان، إن «الحكومة السورية لم تف بالتزاماتها أمام اللجنة العربية». وكرر ان على «الأسد الاستقالة والسماح لآخرين بقيادة عملية التغيير السياسي الذي تحتاجه البلاد بشدة».

http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=1999&articleId=923&ChannelId=47324

November 9th, 2011, 7:57 pm

 

Darryl said:

417. UZAIR8 said:

“Darryl @415

It didn’t mean divide the 1.5billion equally into 73 sects.”

Thanks for the response UZAIR8. The Messenger’s Hadeeth did not say whether they are equal or not. In management circles we divide our resource into equal parts or something close it.

Non-the-less, Tara is still doomed, correct?

November 9th, 2011, 8:06 pm

 

Tara said:

UDPATE 1-Some Arab leaders offered haven for Assad – U.S.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/10/syria-usa-idUSN1E7A82AO20111110

WASHINGTON, Nov 9 (Reuters) – Some Arab leaders have told the United States they are willing to provide safe haven to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to hasten his “inevitable” departure from power, a senior U.S. official said on Wednesday.

Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman did not identify the countries that had offered a place for Assad to go after seven months of protests against his rule in Syria.

“Almost all the Arab leaders, foreign ministers who I talk to say the same thing: Assad’s rule is coming to an end. It is inevitable,” Feltman, who is in charge of near eastern affairs, told a Senate panel.

“Some of these Arabs have even begun to offer Assad safe haven to encourage him to leave quickly,” Feltman said. He hoped Assad and his inner circle would “head for the exits voluntarily.”

Assad has shown no sign of leaving. Syrian troops shot dead eight protesters and injured 25 in Damascus earlier Wednesday, activists said, in one of the bloodiest incidents in the capital since the upraising against Assad began.

More than 60 people have been killed by the army and security forces just since last week, when Assad’s government signed a peace plan sponsored by the Arab League.

Western governments led by the United States have called on Assad to leave power. Feltman said the United States would continue to support the Syrian opposition while diplomatically and financially pressuring the regime, “until Assad is gone.”

U.S. and European financial sanctions were “tightening the financial noose around the (Assad) regime,” he added.

But the United States did not seek militarization of the conflict: “Syria is not Libya.”

Washington favored multilateral sanctions on Syria at the United Nations, Feltman said, adding that if Russia and China continued to block a Security Council resolution condemning Syria, Washington would consider other steps.

The United States favored European-led efforts to introduce a resolution in the U.N. General Assembly’s human rights committee that would insist on access to Syria for internationally recognized human rights monitors, Feltman said.

He feared the transition to democracy in Syria could be long and difficult, and had no answer when Senator Richard Lugar asked who might replace Assad once he is gone.

“That’s one of the real challenges, because the opposition in Syria is still divided,” Feltman said.

Feltman said the U.S. Commerce Department was investigating whether Internet-blocking equipment made by a U.S. company, Blue Coat Systems Inc, had made its way to Syria, which is subject to strict U.S. trade embargoes.

Blue Coat, of Sunnyvale, California, said in a statement on its website that some of its equipment apparently had been “transferred illegally ” to Syria, but that it did not know who was using the devices or exactly how. It said the company was cooperating with the U.S. government investigation. News reports have said Syria is using the equipment as part of its crackdown on protests to monitor and block Internet traffic. (Editing by Cynthia Osterman)

November 9th, 2011, 8:12 pm

 

Ya Mara Ghalba said:

@ ALEX: You are causing the numbering of the posts to be all messed up and useless. When you are releasing the posts that are held in suspension for moderation, you should be posting them at the tail of the list, and numbering them as if they were posted at the time they were released from suspension. With your current practice, besides messing up the numbering, comments from non-regluar visitors get buried in a place where they won’t be seen by some regular returners. You say you do work of computer software development of some sort for a living. You ought to be able to fix this longstanding problem, somehow.

November 9th, 2011, 8:18 pm

 

jna said:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-syria-opposition-20111110,0,3473582.story

Syria opposition’s divisions showing at Arab League meeting

In Cairo, Syrian dissidents try to prevent other opposition figures from meeting with Arab League officials. The Syrians disagree on whether to hold dialogue with President Bashar Assad’s government.

By Patrick J. McDonnell, Los Angeles Times

November 10, 2011
Reporting from Beirut— Deep fissures in the Syrian opposition were evident Wednesday when egg-throwing dissidents attempted to prevent other opposition figures from meeting with Arab League officials in Cairo.

Some activists reportedly chanted “Traitors!” as a delegation of Syrians attempted to enter the league headquarters.

The head of the visiting delegation, Hassan Abdel Azim, was eventually able to go inside and meet with the Arab League’s secretary-general, Nabil Elaraby, reported the pan-Arab satellite channel Al Jazeera.

The delegation to Cairo represented an opposition coalition known as the Syrian National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change.

A rival group, the Syrian National Council, formally established last month in Istanbul, Turkey, views the committee as a tool of President Bashar Assad. The committee denies being manipulated by the Syrian leader and says it is independent.

Both groups say they seek a democratic transition in Syria, where the Assad family has ruled in autocratic fashion for more than 40 years. Both say they support the protest movement that erupted in mid-March.

And both groups say they oppose foreign intervention in Syria, though the council has called for international monitors as a means of reducing violence against protesters.

But the two factions are divided on a key question: Is there still space for dialogue with Assad’s government?

The Syrian National Council says the only talks worth having are those predicated on his departure. Ausama Monajed, a council member speaking from London, said his group believes the Syrian president is seeking only the pretense of dialogue in a bid to extend his rule.

The rival committee has been more open to dialogue, but only after the government ends its crackdown on protesters.

Most experts agree that the opposition would be better off with the kind of united front that Libya’s Transitional National Council represented in the battle to topple Moammar Kadafi. The transitional council’s unity enabled it to garner international recognition and funding.

The Syrian National Council, with members both in and outside Syria, is a broad-based group modeled somewhat on the Libyan group. Libya’s transitional council rejected talks with Kadafi, the same position that the Syrian council has adopted with Assad.

But the still-fluid scenario in Syria is much different from what unfolded in Libya. The international community has rejected the kind of Western-led aerial bombing campaign that hastened Kadafi’s departure.

And core support for Assad within Syria may run deeper than anything that Kadafi could have counted on. By most accounts, Assad still has backing from various sectors, including business elites and minority populations anxious about potential sectarian bloodletting if he is toppled.

An Arab League peace plan, hammered out in Cairo last week, calls for Assad to withdraw security forces from populated areas and begin dialogue with dissenters. The opposition says Syrian security forces have killed more than 100 people since the pact was announced, raising questions about its viability.

The league is scheduled to meet Saturday in Cairo in a bid to revive the faltering peace pact. On the table will be calls from some dissidents that the league suspend Syria’s membership and impose sanctions.

In the meantime, opposition activists reported that security forces killed at least 26 more people Wednesday, including seven in the city of Homs and eight in the Barzeh neighborhood of Damascus, the capital. The deaths could not be independently verified.

The United Nations this week blamed Assad’s “brutal government crackdown” for the deaths of at least 3,500 people since protests began in March. Damascus blames armed “terrorists” for the unrest and says more than 1,000 security personnel have been killed.

November 9th, 2011, 8:20 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

#419

Dear Tara,

Maybe the difference between some christians and others is the same you can find between some muslims and others. That I believe in freedom and dignity of human life above religion. For me religion is just a personal mean for making life better. Not a end in itself.

Also maybe the fact that I lived my childhood and got educated outside Syria while I spent my whole adult life in Syria, may explain why from the first day I arrived in Syria I realized (with an adult mind free of fears) that the regime was based on terror for any oppositor and on regime-created fear of christian, druze and alawi communities to side with the regime.

November 9th, 2011, 8:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

الذين رشقوا هيثم المناع و رفاقه بالبيض و منعوا ثلاثه من المعارضين من لقاء العربي رعاع و ليسوا ثوار او طلاب حريه و هم قدموا خدمه مجانيه للنظام و أساؤوا للمعارضه
بهدلتونا الله يهديكم

November 9th, 2011, 8:22 pm

 

jna said:

416. SANDRO LOEWEsaid:

For those cowards that line up with the powerfull side, the Assad regime,……….

Really, the Assadis are the powerful side vs. the US, Turkey, the MB, world-wide media organizations, the Gulf nations, the EU. All right….

November 9th, 2011, 8:31 pm

 

jad said:

الصراع الفرانكفوني الأمريكي على المعارضة السورية.. صدام القاهرة مثالاً
by بقلم: نارام سرجون

وقعوا في بعض.. كلمة سرحان عبد البصير في مسرحية “شاهد ماشافش حاجة” هي أنسب توصيف لما حدث للمعارضين السوريين في القاهرة..
ماالذي حدث بالضبط في القاهرة؟
الحقيقة أننا سمعنا تقصفا لأغصان المعارضة.. وسمعنا صوت تكسر النصال على النصال.. وأستطيع أن أقول بثقة ان الفرقة الرابعة للمعارضة بقيادة العميد حسن عبد العظيم أعلنت انشقاقها وتخوض معارك ضارية مع قوات برهان غليون ..ويؤكد شهود عيان سماع قصف الدبابات والمدفعية الثقيلة.. ويؤكد ناشطون تمكنا من الاتصال بهم سماع تحليق طائرات مقاتلة تشارك في العمليات القتالية ضد القوات المنشقة..!!
هذا هو الانشقاق الذي يسمع صوته كانشقاق الخشب وكانقصاف الأشجار في الرياح العاتية..

ولكن مهلا ..لاتتعجلوا ..القضية قد لاتكون انشقاقا بسيطا بل انقلابات داخل المعارضة يقودها تيار غليون-الاخوان بايعاز من برنار هنري ليفي .. والسبب هو أن مشروع برنار هنري ليفي يقوم على الاستثمار في شخصية غليون الأكثر طواعية وهو مجرد مشروع ديكتاتور صغير يحرك بالخيطان من خلف الكواليس..ولبرنار هنري ليفي أسبابه الخاصة أيضا ومشروعه ..

ماحدث هو مؤامرة لايريد بعض المعارضين السذج تصديقها ..لأن بعض المعارضين المتألمين بدأ يتمتم بها.. فجناح برهان غليون-الاخوان يريد الاستيلاء على المعارضة كلها .. أو على الأقل اخضاعها لارادته ومشيئته واستعمال أطيافها الرقيقة للدعاية والاعلان وضرورة الديكور الديمقراطي الظاهري فقط .. وآن الأوان للتخلص من بعض قيادييها باتهامهم بالعمالة للنظام والتفريط بالثورة ..خاصة أن عزمي بشارة بدا ميالا لبعض المعارضين الذين يراهم أنسب في هذه الظروف من غليون .. وخطورة تحرك تيار غليون هنا أن تهمة العمالة للنظام وبيع دم الشهداء هي أقرب الى الادانة بالخيانة العظمى .. أي التهمة الثورية الخطرة التي قد تعلن بداية تصفيات دموية ان تصاعدت ..وبالطبع سيتم القاء اللوم في أية اغتيالات قادمة على النظام .. وسيتبادل الجميع العزاء والسير في جنائزالجميع والجميع سيشارك في حرب التصفيات والاستنزاف لابقاء “اللون الموحد والصوت الموحد للمعارضة” ولا صوت يعلو فوق صوت المعركة ..من جديد ..بالطبع معركة الثورة والحرية ..

اما بيان غليون الذي تنصل من الانقلابيين ومن الغوغاء فهو تمثيلية سخيفة وبيان معد مسبقا ..وهو اعلان براءة اخوان يوسف من دم أخيهم ..

وأيضا يحاول حسن عبد العظيم تصوير نفسه على أنه القائد الأجدر للمعارضة لأنه في الداخل ويواجه النظام بصدره العاري بينما غليون وفريقه يواجه النظام في الفنادق الاوروبية .. وحسن عبد العظيم يعتقد أنه ينسق مع السفير الأميريكي الذي غادر دمشق لسبب غير معروف في هذه الفترة بعد أيام من محاولة لقائه مع حسن عبد العظيم .. ولذلك فان عبد العظيم اراد الانفراد بالحديث مع أمين الجامعة العربية للوشاية بمخططات غليون “الديكتاتورية” التي تناهت اليه .. ولتقديم نفسه وفريقه على أنه التيار الأصيل الطاهر الذي لم “يمسسه” بشر ولاتواطؤ ولامال ولا عشرون مليون يورو .. وعبد العظيم غير راض عن غليون ويحمله مسؤولية الفشل في انجاز أي تقدم ملموس بل وفي توريط الثورة بالدم والعنف الذي سهل اصطيادها واحراجها رغم اصرار عبد العظيم على انكار الاعتراف بذلك

ومايحدث في الحقيقة وفي العمق هو صراع أوروبي امريكي على المعارضة السورية .. فالأوروبيون وبالذات الفرنسيون يعتقدون أن الكلمة يجب أن تكون لتيار برهان غليون وذلك لأن غليون فرنسي الجنسية والثقافة كما أنه مؤيد بدعم برنار هنري ليفي الفرنسي الصهيوني صاحب الفضل في اطلاق المعارضة السورية من باريس وصاحب التجربة الناجحة في ليبيا .. وسورية تاريخيا منطقة نفوذ فرنسي ويجب اعادتها اليه عن طريق تقوية المعارضة السورية-الفرنسية..

ولكن الأمريكيين يساندون تيار حسن عبد العظيم ويفضلونه ولامانع لديهم من تعاونه مع الاخوان المسلمين امتداد الأتراك الذين سيربطون الاخوان المسلمين بلجام حديدي يمنعهم من التمرد في أي مستقبل .. هذا مايفضله الأمريكيون لكن مع اقصاء غليون قليلا واقصاء المشروع والتيار الفرانكفوني في المعارضة السورية ..والامريكيون يرون ان فرنسا نالت حصة جيدة في ليبيا التي لم تكن تاريخيا تحت نفوذها وهذا يعتبر فتحا استعماريا واضافة كافية.. وعلى فرنسا أن تقلل من طموحاتها في سوريا .. وعليها أن تفهم ذلك خاصة أن سوريا مطلة على أهم حليفين لأميريكا هما اسرائيل وتركيا .. وفي هذه البقعة بالذات القريبة من العراق يجب أن تكون اميريكا أقوى ..ولذلك يحاول الآن برنار هنري ليفي التخاطب مع الأمريكيين عبر شخصيات يهودية نافذة لجعل النفوذ على معارضة سوريا متوازنا ومتناصفا ..

وكل هذا التشاجر بين الأولاد في القاهرة سيحله الأب برنار هنري ليفي مع “كمشة” من النافذين اليهود في الادارة الأمريكية.. واذا ماتمت الصلحة بعد تدخل الوجهاء ودخول الجاهة الفرنسية والأمريكية فسيقوم حسن عبد العظيم وغليون بطي الخلاف وترجمة الاتفاق الفرنسي الأمريكي على الأرض ..
أما ميشيل كيلو ولؤي حسين وغيرهم فهم ديكورات ليس الا ولاثقل لهم ولاوزن ذريا ..ولاطعم ولالون ولارائحة ..وهم تكملة عدد بل ان انسحاب أصغر فرد في عائلة بوقعقور من قرية الخربة أهم وأكثر تأثيرا ..

ولذلك هذه المعارضة ستتشقق ان عاجلا أم آجلا وهي ضد التاريخ والجغرافيا والمنطق ..التاريخ السوري ..والجغرافيا السورية ..والمنطق السوري

الوطن والدولة لاتصنعه مثل هذه المعارضات المركبة الخارجة من رحم امرأة لها أكثر من عشيق..لانعرف من هو المسؤول عن الحمل ومن هو الأب البيولوجي …

بالمناسبة هل قرأتم بكائية عبد الباري عطوان الذي يتفجع على هذا الخطأ القاتل للمعارضة ..وبالطبع هناك بكاء كثير في السراديب والكواليس وقد سمعت بعضه وأفضل ألا أبوح به الآن .. لكن هناك من يحاول تدارك الموقف وهناك آلاف الاتصالات التي تتم للفلفة القضية ..ريثما ينتهي الفرنسيون والأمريكيون من انجاز اتفاق ..ولكن

ان القلوب اذا تنافر ودها.. مثل الزجاجة كسرها لايجبر.. .. ..

http://serjoonn.blogspot.com/2011/11/blog-post_10.html

November 9th, 2011, 8:32 pm

 
 
 

Tara said:

Bronco

I found you this article that I think you would appreciate.  It does not come free… I am hoping that you get rid of the ugly brackets at the end.  They bother me. 

Monday, November 7th, 2011 | Posted by Garen Yegparian Share Print  
Freudian Confession
BY GAREN 

http://asbarez.com/99173/freudian-confession/

Gotta love, Freud, Gul, and the PKK! These three have cooperated, albeit unwittingly, to elicit a telling comment reported on p.6 of October 20th’s LA Times in “Turkey forces push into Iraq after raids by Kurd militants”!
Abdullah Gul, declared, “These terrorist acts will be reciprocated.” So the president of that democratic-ideal-of-a-state Turkey is promising terrorist action. What a surprise! This confession is such a whopper that it doesn’t even merit the fig leaf/euphemism of calling it a Freudian slip.
The country that brought us genocide in the 20th century (of Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, & Kurds), invasion and occupation of Cyprus, incursions into Iraq (and now possibly Syria), massive repression of its own population, and miscellaneous other human rights violations that would get any other entity labeled “terrorist”, is promising still more terrorism. Hardly newsworthy, but it is interesting in the current context.
Gul’s comment came on the heels of PKK (Partiya Karkerên Kurdistan- Kurdish Workers Party) attacks on Turkish military targets that killed two dozen soldiers. This might be understandable as a presidential reaction to being caught unprepared and losing some of your troops. But the question is why promise terrorism, under the false premise that the attackers are terrorists.
I write this despite the fact that Turkey, the EU, and the U.S. have all labeled the PKK as “terrorist”. But are they really? They are a group that is fighting for their people’s, nation’s, and homeland’s liberation against an occupying power (which is legal under the UN’s rules, as I recall).
What the labelers REALLY don’t like is that the PKK is struggling to change the established order, and resorting to military means because other, civil-democratic, means are unavailable to it. What more proof is needed than the recent invasion of Turkey’s primarily Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party’s headquarters by the authorities?
But, wait, isn’t deposing an unjust regime a legitimate end? Didn’t NATO just provide bombing cover to Libya’s rebels? Weren’t those rebels fighting the legally established regime in Libya, much as the PKK has done on and off for three decades? How come Libya’s rebels aren’t terrorists?
But the most delicious irony is that after initially hesitating, Turkey sided with Libya’s rebels! Such grand heights of hypocrisy might be hard to imagine except from the likes of Turkey and its current leaders who defended Somalia’s genocidal president Omer Al-Bashir (I suppose misery loves company so genocidal leaders have to stick together).
The next time someone starts to sing Turkey’s praises, remind them of these perversions of decency that are part of that country’s daily routine.

November 9th, 2011, 8:55 pm

 

Norman said:

419. Tarasaid:

Dear Sandro

Can you please explain to me what makes you ( and Haytham khouri) different than all other Christians on SC. What makes you see things the same way I see them? What makes you not having a minority’s complex disorder? What makes them afraid of the fall of the crime family and makes you not afraid. You were raised in the same country they were raised in. You were exposed to the same people, ate the same food, went to same schools, watched same TV shows…what made you different?

Tara,

Some of us Christians learn from others mistakes and avoid them, We saw what happened to Iraq and are not willing to take chances,

About president Assad seeking refuge in these Arab states, i say president Assad does not represent himself he is the guardian for Syria’s unity and the safety of her people people, he will not cut and run, the people who love him know that and the people who hate him came to recognize that so they are seeking foreign intervention, i say to all these haters, NOBODY IS COMING TO HELP YOU, If you see how the members of the Baath party closed rank you can recognize that they came to understand that he will not leave them to fend for themselves. and after what happened in Iraq, the Baath party and the Syrian Arab army will never give up on the real target of this uprising, The Arab Nation.

By the way Ghufran,

The Baath party is the only hope for the Arab nation, It just has to get rid of the bad apples that it has, there are many criminal Christians, Muslims, Jews, these are criminal members as the Baath party has, these religions are not responsible for the deeds of thier members, neither is the Baath party, the baath party after reform that will shed the bad members will be the salvation of the Arab nation.

November 9th, 2011, 8:56 pm

 

Revlon said:

401. Dear Amir in Tel Aviv,
You said:
” Iraqization of the Syrian uprise.
[ warning!: VERY graphic ]
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=184077091678154

Revlon, Majed,
This is why the militarization of this struggle is a mistake. In my eyes at least”
_____________________
Your conclusion tells me that you have probably misinterpreted the video.

The boys that were slaughtered were civilians.
The butchers were sarcastically telling them: this is what you get for asking for freedom and dealing with the Israelis.
The butchers were speaking in unmistakable mountain accent.

The victims were civilian youths!
The butchers were Asad forces.

This victims were muslems.
The butchers were tools of the “Secular regime”

This ivideo graphically depicts the price that Freedom seekers are paying in order for some to”keep it peaceful”

The AL and the international community have the moral obligation to either intervene to protect these civilians or empower their defenders, the FSA to defend them.

November 9th, 2011, 8:59 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Revlon & Amir

What did the video show? The actual killing? With what? I didn’t dare to open it.

November 9th, 2011, 9:05 pm

 

Norman said:

Tara,

I have good news for you,

Ambassador Ford is comming back to Syria soon, does that mean the security in the country is improving.

November 9th, 2011, 9:18 pm

 

Darryl said:

437. TARA said:

“Revlon & Amir

What did the video show? The actual killing? With what? I didn’t dare to open it.”

A dull knife was used Tara. At least my butcher uses a very sharp knife on the lambs. Do these people believe in a God as they say.

November 9th, 2011, 9:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

هجوم الشظ مظ في القاهره

November 9th, 2011, 9:59 pm

 

Dale Andersen said:

Memo To: AMIRIO IN THE LAND OF DAVID & SOLOMON

RE: “…militarization of this struggle is a mistake…”

Wrong, Dude!

Do you think the Assad Mafia would give up without a fight? Do you really think, if the Syrian people voted Besho Pencilneck out of power, he would step down? If you think so so, I have some land to sell you at low tide…

November 9th, 2011, 10:02 pm

 

zoo said:

Another general strike call from the SNC for Thursday

“Meanwhile, the Istanbul-based Syrian National Council (SNC) has been urging for a general strike on Thursday across Syria to protest what they described as ‘brutal killings’ in Homs.”

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=102679

November 9th, 2011, 10:21 pm

 

jad said:

بيان توضيحي حول ما جرى مع وفد من المعارضة السورية قبل الإجتماع مع السيد لأمين العام للجامعة العربية.
by تيار بناء الدولة السورية Building The Syrian State

سعى تيار بناء الدولة السورية دوما إلى التوافق مع جميع قوى المعارضة السورية بغض النظر عن قدمها أو جدتها، بل إنه يعمل دوما على تشجيع جميع الشبان التشكل والانتظام بنشاطات جماعية سياسية أو مدنية. ولم يوفر جهدا بالتواصل مع الجميع ممن تكون أهدافهم خدمة الوطن السوري الواحد وسلامة جميع السوريين من دون أي نزوع حزبوية.
وضمن مسعاه هذا استجاب بحماس لدعوة وجهت له لينضم إلى وفد تم تشكيله من بعض قوى وشخصيات معارضة ليجتمعوا بالسيد نبيل العربي الأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية ليوصلوا له رسالة واضحة قبل اجتماع الوزراء العرب يوم السبت القادم بضرورة الضغط على السلطة السورية بشكل فعال لتنفذ الاتفاق الذي وقعته مع اللجنة الوزراية العربية حتى تتسبب السلطة بدفع البلاد إلى حالة من التدول قد تتطور إلى تدخل عسكري خارجي.
وعشية الاجتماع لم يتمكن أعضاء الوفد المشترك من الاتفاق على عدد من الأمور، نتج عن ذلك إصرار قيادة هيئة التنسيق الوطني أن تذهب إلى الاجتماع لوحدها معتبرة أنها لا يمكنها أن تتشارك مع الآخرين! كذلك اعتبرت أن الاجتماع مع الأمين العام للجامعة جاء بدعوة من معاليه موجهة تحديدا لهيئة التنسيق، وهذا عكس الواقع.
لهذا ذهب وفد الهيئة لوحده بعد أن انسحب منه سمير عيطة و منذر حلوم لعدم قبولهما بمواقف قيادة الهيئة. كذلك لم يذهب الأعضاء المستقلون مثل ميشيل كيلو وحازم نهار و ناشطين آخرين مع الوفد.
هذه التجربة ستزيد التيار إصرارا على تحفيز الشباب على التشكل بقوى وتيارات سياسية جديدة كفيلة بإغناء الحياة السياسية السورية لتكون هذه القوى بديلا عن النظام الحاكم و القوى السياسية التقليدية.
من جهة أخرى فإن تيار بناء الدولة السورية يشجب التصرف الذي قام به بعض مناصري المجلس الوطني تجاه وفد هيئة التنسيق عند دخولهم مبنى الجامعة العربية. وفي السياق نفسه يثني التيار على موقف برهان غليون تجاه هذا السلوك.

November 9th, 2011, 10:39 pm

 

jad said:

Zoo,
Syrians call the day after Eid as Ja7sh Al3eed and usually nobody bother to go to work at that day since the day after is already a Friday so it’s technically a national holiday regardless of the strike..good timing though.

November 9th, 2011, 10:46 pm

 

zoo said:

Jad #444

so we will get a flurry of videos with shops closed…

November 9th, 2011, 10:58 pm

 

jad said:

Zoo,
Most defiantly, the whole country is off tomorrow.

November 9th, 2011, 11:47 pm

 

Halabi said:

If we can only remove the bad apples in the Baath party then Syria will flourish under the leadership of Bashar. The party really just needs another 30 years of total control to turn the country around.

ارحل عنّا انت وحزبك

Or the Baath party would have to answer to the people. Can anyone (who isn’t delusional) honestly say that Syria benefits from one-party rule? Has the Baath party delivered on its promises? Golan was lost on their watch, the economy has been mismanaged, and even their security agencies failed to predict the uprising or quell it.

Does anyone believe that the Baath will ever achieve its goal of a pan-Arab socialist union? Syria is on the verge of being kicked out of the Arab league, which makes Betho the savior of Arabs in the mind of the minhebak.

In free elections the incumbent is asked “are we better of today than X years ago?” That question isn’t allowed to be asked in Assad’s Syria.

For those who have been out of the country for the past three or four decades, and the Iranians who never lived there, please feel free to start Baath party chapters in your new countries and spread the gospel. Why are you depriving the world of the greatest political ideology in history?

November 9th, 2011, 11:52 pm

 

jad said:

I wasn’t planning to check the disgusting clip that the prince linked until I read the analyzing crap in #435 and I’m surprised that nobody bothered to clarify the lies and the sectarian propaganda of the makeup dude of #435

The truth is that the linked horrific clip was put online couple weeks ago, at the beginning the page that posted it claimed that it is in Hama but the dialect doesn’t sounds Syrian to me at all and the terrorists keep repeating Allah Akbar and thanking Allah slogans the whole length of the slaughtering, later on some other news site on FB wrote that the clip was from Iraq.
The only difference between the original clip and the one the prince linked and the makeup dude tried to use for his sick advantage is that they changed the original voice with another specific ‘dialect’ to make it sound that the crime is against some protesters.
The voice they used is actually from another older clip showing a soldier stepping and beating some guys and telling them that they don’t deserve freedom because they killed the security men.

In anyway, that was a disgusting, inhumane and horrible link to share.

November 10th, 2011, 1:42 am

 

jad said:

The story of the obsessed french jupe in Syria:

مصادر: جوبيه يكره سوريا وسياسته تجاهها ثأرية
تتواصل التصريحات الفرنسية الأخيرة في توتير الأجواء تجاه سوريا، مع اتخاذها شيئاً فشيئاً طابع التهديد المتكرر الذي يعبر عن عجز أكثر منه عن قوة في الموضوع السوري.
ولا يخفى على المتابع أن حدة التصريحات والمواقف هذه مصدرها وزير الخارجية الفرنسية آلان جوبيه، بينما يبدو الرئيس الفرنسي نيكولاي ساركوزي أكثر التزاماً للصمت، وهذا يعود حسب رأي المتابعين إلى توزيع الأدوار بين الرئاسة والخارجية الذي اتبعه ساركوزي منذ وصوله إلى الإليزيه والجميع يذكر كيف كان وزير الخارجية السابق برنارد كوشنير يتهجم على سوريا دورياً بينما كان ساركوزي بعيداً عن تصريحات وزير خارجيته، ولم يحرج عندما تبرأ منها أكثر من مرة.
غير أن الحال مع جوبيه مختلف، حيث إن الرئيس لا يمكن أن يتبرأ من تصريحاته، وقد حصلت بين الرجلين مشادة مع بداية تولي جوبيه منصبه على خلفية اللقاء مع مصطفى عبد الجليل الذي كان من تدبير برنارد هنري ليفي، ومن دون علم الوزير ما جعل الأخير يقول لساركوزي(اسمع يا نيكولا هذه أول وآخر مرة تفعل معي هذا وإلا سوف أترك منصبي).
وأضافت مصادر فرنسية وعربية حسب مانشر نضال حمادة في موقع الإنتقاد أسباباً أخرى على موقف جوبيه من سوريا.
وفي هذا السياق يقول المدير السابق لجهاز المخابرات الفرنسية آلان شويه: “إن فرنسا لا تعرف ماذا تريد في سوريا، فوزير الخارجية يستمر في التصعيد، ولكن ليست هناك سياسة محددة اتجاه دمشق بسبب صعوبة التدخل العسكري هناك، فالحالة تختلف كلياً عن ليبيا حيث التدخل العسكري والنصر كانا سهلين”.
أما الصحافي في إذاعة فرنسا الدولية كريستيان شينو فيقول إن جوبيه يتصرف مع سوريا بطريقة ثأرية تعود إلى الماضي السيئ في العلاقة الفرنسية السورية، فهو في نفسه ينتقم لقضية الرهائن الفرنسيين في لبنان وعملية اغتيال السفير الفرنسي في بيروت لوي دولامار في أيلول عام 1989.
ويضيف الصحافي الخبير في شؤون السياسة الفرنسية في العالم العربي والذي كان رهينة في العراق في العام 2003 : “إن جوبيه ينتمي إلى جيل سياسي فرنسي يحمل في داخله خلافاً عميقاً مع سوريا ولا ننسى أنه مقرب جداً من جاك شيراك وقد تبوأ منصب رئيس الوزراء في أول حكومة شكلها شيراك عام 1995 وهذا أيضاً يؤثر على رؤيته لسوريا مع ملاحظة الفرق بين علاقة شيراك الحميمة بالحريري وعلاقة جوبيه التي لا تحمل نفس القوة”.
بدوره مصدر أكاديمي عربي في باريس روى لـ “الانتقاد” قصة عن لقاء جمعه بجوبيه في بداية التدخل الفرنسي في الحرب ضد القذافي، وكان الوزير قد طلب الاجتماع بعدة أكاديميين عرب وفرنسيين لشرح أسباب التدخل الفرنسي وطلب المشورة، ويشرح الأكاديمي العربي كيف قال لجوبيه إن المشكلة تكمن في أن أي نظام سوف يأتي بعد القذافي سوف يكون من السهل الطعن في شرعيته لأنه أتى بقوة تدخل الناتو، غير أن فرنسا التي تعرف هذا الأمر استمرت بالحرب في ليبيا واستمرت في التصعيد السياسي والدبلوماسي ضد سوريا، لأن المخزون الاستعماري الكامن خرج دفعة واحدة ضد سوريا والجميع يعرف لماذا سوريا بالتحديد.

http://www.shukumaku.com/Content.php?id=36002

November 10th, 2011, 1:46 am

 

Revlon said:

448
You have made two counterclaims on the video that was linked to by Amir earlier, without providing your supportive evidnce!

Kindly link the videos you are referring to!
Thank you.

November 10th, 2011, 2:01 am

 

jad said:

450
My words are enough.

November 10th, 2011, 2:19 am

 

Dr. Emanuela POPESCU said:

Dr. Burhan Ghalioun (Arabic: برهان غليون) (born 1945, Syria), is a Syrian-French politic man???!!!!
this is the title of his page on the wikipedia and his criminal men are erecting the french colonial flag???!!!
this man is not Syrian he is french criminal and the Syrian Peoples will put him to pay for his crimes

December 4th, 2011, 6:19 am

 

Perfect Radiance said:

I wasn’t planning to check the disgusting clip that the prince linked until I read the analyzing crap in #435 and I’m surprised that nobody bothered to clarify the lies and the sectarian propaganda of the makeup dude of #435

The truth is that the linked horrific clip was put online couple weeks ago, at the beginning the page that posted it claimed that it is in Hama but the dialect doesn’t sounds Syrian to me at all and the terrorists keep repeating Allah Akbar and thanking Allah slogans the whole length of the slaughtering, later on some other news site on FB wrote that the clip was from Iraq.
The only difference between the original clip and the one the prince linked and the makeup dude tried to use for his sick advantage is that they changed the original voice with another specific ‘dialect’ to make it sound that the crime is against some protesters.

February 3rd, 2012, 6:51 pm

 

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