In Homs, 30 Dead as Communal Factions Fight; Bukamal and Qatana Light Up as Calm Returns to Hama

The Syrian uprising has been marked by a growing number of killings in the last week, as armed civilian groups have fought each other. According to Syrian authorities and Facebook websites, such as the Hama News Network, Hama is peacefully coming back under government control; whereas, Bu Kamal on the Iraqi border has fallen out of government control. In Homs, Syria’s third largest city, civilian groups (Alawis versus Sunnis, according to one account) attacked each other causing some 30 deaths. Both sides remain confident of their ability to control the eventual outcome of the uprising. Qatana has also been troubled by inter-communal fighting.

In Homs, AFP reports:

“More than 30 civilians have been killed over the past 24 hours in Homs in clashes that broke out late on Saturday between the opposition and supporters of the regime,” said Rami Abdel Rahman of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

He said the clashes in the city 160 kilometres (100 miles) north of the capital came after three regime supporters kidnapped last week were killed and their dismembered bodies were returned to their relatives on Saturday.

“These clashes are a dangerous development that undermines the revolution and serves the interests of its enemies who want it to turn into a civil war,” he added. “The two sides started out beating each other with sticks, but then firearms were used.”

Abdel Rahman said a large number of the dead were killed by gunmen lying in ambush, and that security forces did not intervene. “Their duty is to maintain national security and protect citizens, not stand idly by when faced with clashes, as this can encourage even more violence,” he charged.

A witness who spoke to AFP in Cyprus said the clashes were between Sunni Muslims and Alawites, Assad’s sect, and that they occurred overnight in the Hadara and Al-Zahara districts of Homs. Earlier Abdel Karim Rihawi, who heads the Syrian League for the Defence of Human Rights, reported the army moving in to Homs after clashes on Saturday.

Here are two contradictory reports about Homs from readers:

Louai writes:

Just finished a phone call with my family in Homs, which was like Beirut yesterday. The news from Syria-news were correct. Three young men (Alawites) kidnapped tortured and killed , they were organising rallys in support of the announced reforms, my brother knows all of them , the rally now cancelled.

The army stopped a angry crowds of entering Bab el dreeb and prevented a lot of killings.

my friend’s old brother got shot in his way back home his name Kifah el set ( a Christian from Al Hafar village) he is badly injured but thanks god still alive. Another Christian from Al Nuzha ( Gaiath al turk ) from Kafrram village was shot in his leg, he was taking to the local medical centre just to get kidnapped from inside the medical centre few hours later and get killed, his uncle was my teacher! His furnal is tomorrow.

People are scared to go out. The army only entered Alawite neighbourhoods to protect them, the Christian neighbourhood is not protected and the thugs are still free. That’s Homs for you !

Aboud writes:

Here is what really happened. The shabiha scum were given a pretext to rampage through Homs, under the protection of the “security forces” (oxymoron there). They smashed Sunni owned businesses in Al-Hadara street (I’ve linked the video previously). The Homsis mobilized themselves, and got together to protect their neighborhoods. After a brief confrontation in Damascus road, which went badly for the shabiha scum, they crawled back to the holes they came out from.

In Bukamal, SANA, a government source, reported on Sunday that “terrorist gangs” stormed a government building and seized the weapons stored there, adding that three security personnel were killed and two kidnapped in the attack. The situation there is “explosive” according to Al-Watan, and “the army is preparing to intervene … because the authorities fear an armed revolt in this border town where (insurgents) can easily find logistical and political support,” it said.

shukumaku.com reports that about 200 armed men stormed the Regional Administration Department and seized control of it, including all weapons. They burned the civil affairs office, the court, the police post and the resident house of the Regional administrator, in Al Bukamal.

Opposition sources claim that scores of military security personnel have defected and are guarding civilians in Bu Kamal. They suggest this means that the power of the regime is breaking apart at the fringes.

The Guardian quotes Reuters in explaining that in Bukamal, a day after security shot five protesters, the town light up in protest.

Residents said around 100 Air Force Intelligence personnel and the crew of at least four armoured vehicles joined the protesters.

“The protesters returned several army personnel carriers today as a sign of good will. The regime knows it will meet tough resistance if it attacks Albu Kamal, and that Iraqi tribes on the other side of the border will rush to help their brethren,” said one activist in the region, who declined to be named for fear of arrest.

Another activist said: “The whole of Albu Kamal went to the streets after the killings. Several armoured personnel carriers moved into the centre of the town to stop them, but ended joining sides with the human wave.”

Qatana: I received this report from a reader:

Dear Joshua and friends I report this for you from my brother in Qatana (SW of Damascus):

The city is now under protection of the army after clashes erupted between Druze and Sunni salafists. After the Druze community held a pro-government demonstrations in the city, they were attacked by Sunnis salafists with batons and arms. 3 Druze died in the clashes. The next day the Druze answered back and attacked Sunnis in the city, many were injured and probably some where killed. Yesterday, the hardcore Sunnis proclaimed Qatana an Islamic city and their leader was showing off riding on his horse in the city after more clashes erupted with the Druze community… There is a siege going on and arms are being looked after. Christians in the city fear the worse…God bless our country

A second view from Qatana: (Addendum on Monday afternoon)

I live near Qatana and this what happned:

  1. last month security force and Shabi7a from 4th brigade Masaken attaked an anti regime demostration killing many.
  2. Qatana residents prevented the Masaken ppl(almost 100% Alawites) from entring Qtana and doing a pro-regime demo in it.
  3. Qatana residents prevented another pro-regime demo that started from the baath building after AdduniaTV came and started saying that Qatanis are supporting Bashar(they are outsiders),and beat the crap out of 5 ,no death.
  4. one of the beaten up turned up to be a Druze shekh-Akl in 3arneh (a smuggling border town in the mountains), he ran to his town and brought a lot of people armed with handguns and AK47 to Qatana, the Masaken guys and Security saw that and joined the 3arneh guys, and they started shooting randomly killing a lot including an infant.
  5. now there is about 30 tank surrounding the town.
  6. there was no Islamic emirate or a amir on a horse ,that is laughable and rediculous , a lot of Qatanis are Nazhine from Golan, and they are not really that religious.
  7. What happened is good for no one, and all made mistakes but the goverment is supporting one side over the other and that is 1000 wrong.

In Hama, Al-Watan said the “situation was back to normal” in the central city of Hama, the epicenter of anti-government protests in recent weeks where perhaps as many as a 100,000 had taken part in demonstrations two Fridays ago and where the US and French ambassadors had traveled to show their support for the uprising. The city fell out of government control when the governor withdrew security forces, permitting peaceful protests. He was fired and a new governor has since been appointed. There was fear that the military would shoot its way back into the city. “The efforts the new governor of Hama has made with civic leaders have borne fruit. The state of civil disobedience which lasted 13 days is over,” Al-Watan said. “With the help of residents, officials have started to remove the roadblocks erected on major thoroughfares,” it added. Stores have begun to open again in the market areas and urban transport has resumed regular routes.

In Damascus, the government organized a large firework display and festival at Ummayad Square at which the crowds chanted that the “people want Bashar al-Assad.” The coverage shown by ad-Dunia TV reveals the tone of the local press coverage. One commentator rails against the US ambassador and demonstrators of Hama, while the second is respectful and glowing about the Syrian people and the need for national unity and the ability of Syrians to express their differences without violence and demonstrations. (I at first added the wrong video. I have changed it for the correct one.)

Since the protests began on March 15, 1,419 civilians and 352 members of the security forces have died, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. Thousands more people have been arrested.

Kurds have withdrawn from the National Salvation Congressin Istanbul

A number of sources report that Kurds have withdrawn from the National Salvation Congress in Istanbul, including GemyaKurds.net and Kurdish Youth Revolution – Soresa Ciwanên Kurd. The Kurdish Youth of the Revolution are very disappointed, because it was their hope and endeavour to be partners in nation-building and associates in the conference bringing everyone together as Syrians:

  • There was no seat for a representative of the Kurds in the Preparatory Committee of the Conference.
  • The conference is working under the name of the Syrian Arab Republic, which denies the existence of the Kurds and diverse others in Syria.

A statement by the Kurdish parties is to be issued later.

A number of credible opposition figures have attacked the conference’s promotion of a shadow government, they include: Burhan Galioum, Louai Hussain and Fayez Sara.

Secretary of State Clinton, while in Turkey, made no effort to meet with the Syrian opposition there, despite hopes expressed before the conference by some opposition figures that she would. Instead, she offered only lukewarm support for the Syrian gathering and made it clear that the United States hopes the protest movement will engage in dialogue with the Syrian government, something most opposition groups reject. She announced in Turkey

“It’s what the Syrians are doing, trying to form an opposition that can provide a pathway, hopefully in peaceful cooperation with the government.” Listen to her statement, here.

also

Today she criticized Turkey’s arrest of journalists and restrictions on Internet freedom. Authorities there have jailed reporters and columnists in recent months under antiterror laws. A government proposal set for August would filter the Internet that could allow monitoring of household Web use. Speaking on CNN’s Turkish language channel today, Clinton said that while the countries differ on how to get things done, the U.S. and Turkey “share this strategic vision about where we would like to see the world go.”

A leader of Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood movement, Ali Sadr- al-Din al-Bayanuni, said

the opposition could overthrow Assad’s regime. “What is required of the international community and Arab countries is to withdraw support from this regime, which has lost its legitimacy, and to boycott it on both the international and diplomatic levels,” he said today on Al Jazeera television.

The Syrian government “has become a criminal against its own people,” said al-Bayayuni, according to a transcript published by the BBC Mideast service.

Tens of thousands of Syrians took to the streets to protest yesterday. At least 32 demonstrators were killed around the country, including about 20 in the capital, Damascus, Al Jazeera reported. Activists report that five have been killed today.

Arab world faces long, painful road, says Islamic group head Hurriyet

Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, the head of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, or OIC, believes that the transition in the Middle East and North Africa ‘will take a long time and will be painful. ‘I never called this process an ‘Arab Spring’ – because spring is just one season, and we will see the summer and winter,’ says the top diplomat

…..Q: How do you see the situation in Syria?

A: I have a friendship with Syrian officials dating back many years. Even at the times when relations between Turkey and Syria were at their worst, I always believed the day would come when they would be the closest countries. This is dictated by the geographical realities, by history, by sociology. When I first met Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in 2004, I came to know him as someone open to the world, open to change. Until I became secretary-general, Syria was not active in the OIC. But we organized two ministerial meetings in Syria. So within the framework of this relationship, we could talk with unprecedented honesty, giving the message that the world is changing and that Syria need to change.

Q: Has al-Assad disappointed you?

A: Unfortunately Syria has not acted with the speed one would have expected. There was not enough progress ahead of the demonstrations that took place. But the national dialogue process that started recently is a very important step. We hope this trend will continue……

Syria releases 28 anti-government intellectuals

The monastery at Mar Musa has published a letter about its current personal financial struggle – due to paralysis of tourism in Syria, and a plea for support. It is also interesting and informative about the way in which one monastery sees the problems and has human interest. Deir Mar Musa has played an leading role in promoting inter-faith dialogue and in trying to introduce Christians to the notion that the Muhammad was a prophet and the Koran a revealed book.

Ali Abdullah has been re-arrested in Qatana.

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301. vlad-the-syrian said:

OTW #283

“Speaking of democratic nations, Pakistan”

Pakistan off course a “democratic nation” , there is not the slightest doubt about this !

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July 19th, 2011, 7:21 pm

 
 
 

304. SYR.Expat said:

297. MAJEDKHALDOON

Highly likely, this is an attempt by MB to get a media foothold. I hope people ignore it.

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July 19th, 2011, 7:51 pm

 

305. Aboud said:

One of the revolution facebook pages is reporting that they received information that the regime’s thugs are going to burn government buildings in Dayr Al Zour, a city in the east of Syria that, just like Hama, has completely slipped out of the regime’s control.

Just posting it here, just in case the regime actually was trying to manufacture a pretext….

And if you have a problem with the credibility of Facebook pages, tell that to Landis, who seems to think nothing of linking to regime sponsored pages for “hard news”

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July 19th, 2011, 8:13 pm

 

306. Tara said:

Syrian Expat

Do you know how many children confirmed to have been killed by the regime?

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July 19th, 2011, 8:43 pm

 

307. Norman said:

It is unfortunate but true that we Syrians living in Syria have no value to time, things take forever to take place , a skyscraper will take a year or two to build in the US while a five story building in Syria takes years, The president and the government seems to be paralyzed, The president wants the opposition to help plan the future of Syria through dialogue , but they keep refusing, he needs to move to the next step and plan the future without them, Just announce the convention and invite all concerned, whoever comes can have a say and whoever does not can not complain later that he was not invited and like what happened to the Sunni in Iraq when they boycotted the election and the debate about Iraq only to find themselves on the losing side.
about corruption, It seems entrenched in the Syrian way of life and as long as Syrians look at people who do not accept bribes as stupid not honest bribery will continue in Syria, prosecutions and the media can help here but will take a long time.

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July 19th, 2011, 8:52 pm

 

308. Akbar Palace said:

#280: Syria Comment’s Post of the Year Award

Mjabali,

I have NEVER read a post like yours (#280) in all my years on forums like this one.

Thank you/Shukran/Toda

If there were more people like you in the world (and ESPECIALLY in the ME), we would not know war and everyone would be living in peace and prosperity.

I tip my hat to you!

AP

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July 19th, 2011, 8:57 pm

 

309. why-discuss said:

Tara

I noticed I am skipping more and more the comments. Most are vindicative, hateful, sadistic, pessimistic and hysterical. All is about the evil in Bashar and the riches and the innocence of the poor common syrian and the heroism of the protesters.
They all sound more and more like cowboy Bush: “The War against Evil”.
I don’t share such a manichean view, so I am getting bored.
So I am skipping them. Soon I’ll skip it all, I guess

I eat every morning a man’oucheh bel zaatar, love it.

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July 19th, 2011, 9:54 pm

 

310. why-discuss said:

Turkish FM chides US over its Israel approach

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-to-us-one-sided-approach-won8217t-bring-solution-2011-05-29

….Assad late to reform

The foreign minister also responded to a question on ongoing revolts in neighboring Syria, whose leadership has so far failed to heed the demands of the people and launch a substantial reform campaign. More than 1,000 civilians have been killed by security forces in recent weeks, resulting in international anger toward Damascus.

“If some of these reforms had been done three months ago, so many lives would not have been lost. If some of the things being done now, such as removing the state of emergency and giving Kurds their identity, had been done in January, there would not have been this much tension,” Davutoğlu said.

Although Turkey sought to be a guide for its neighbor in terms of the reforms, Davutoğlu said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was continuing to seek more time for reforms.

“The prime minister spoke to Bashar al-Assad. We are saying that the situation cannot continue,” Davutoğlu said.

Suggesting that leaders who resist change or only reform slowly risk losing their ability to persuade as they create tension, Davutoğlu said, “[We are] still expecting the Syrian leadership to lead toward a peaceful transition period.”

“But if they say that they will continue the status quo through oppression if necessary, then serious tensions will be unavoidable. Other factors will come into play. We suggest peaceful changes for both the administration and the opposition,” he said….

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July 19th, 2011, 10:00 pm

 

311. Akbar Palace said:

Huh?

WD,

Great example. The article makes perfect sense to me.

1000 dead (mostly innocent) Syrians at the hands of the Syrian government is typically a great cause for concern in the ME of the US-Israel relationship.

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July 19th, 2011, 10:18 pm

 

312. Tara said:

Why

No post since 10:00 AM EST? You got me worried…

Well, one should not underestimate the emotional impact that has rocked our collective conscious. Syrians have never lived this before. This is all brand new to us and all sorts of emotional reaction and even exaggeration are expected. People can say things they do not mean. When some in the past said “let us kill them all” , I never believed it. I just had today an emotional lash out against my own city. It is just very rough. I think it is important to stay on (unless we really bore you to death) so each one of us can hear “the other” and rather moves fron an extreme to a more reasonable central position. Don’t you think?

Man’oucheh bel zaatar every morning? Ah … Now I think very highly of you… I must then break my promise. You must accept a breakfat at Tiffany’s. NYC is not that far after all.

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July 19th, 2011, 10:19 pm

 

313. Tara said:

Why

I do believe the international community including the US wants to see peaceful transition in Syria despite Clinton’ declaration that Assad lost his legitimacy and that he is running out of time. The problem is that Bashar has not really done one single thing yet towards the reform and I sometimes doubt that he dose hold the ultimate power.

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July 19th, 2011, 10:43 pm

 

314. Amnesia said:

First foreign journalist and photographer to reach Hama. Good interview, although he unfortunately couldn’t observe the city much and for long:

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/a-western-photographer-in-hama-syria/

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July 19th, 2011, 10:53 pm

 

315. majedkhaldoon said:

Dialogue is between few people talking to few people, if one refused, the president should go for free election, where he will get the message of the majority of people.

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July 19th, 2011, 10:59 pm

 

316. why-discuss said:

Tara

I just can’t believe that he and all his staff are dumb. I don’t buy ‘they’ll do anything to hang on power’. I don’t buy ‘he is inciting sectarian violence to keep power’. I don’t buy the opposition is peaceful.

I have repeated it enough, and it is clearer everyday. This has nothing to do with ‘democracy and freedom’. That the ‘noble’ facade of it. It is revolution of the ‘have’ and the ‘have not’.
A bread revolution with a nice gift wrap.
Why is the business community in Aleppo and Damascus treated as ‘coward’? because they don’t support the ‘noble’ cause? No, simply because they belong to the ‘have’ and don’t give a damn about freedom and democracy. Not everybody wants to be a hero and loose his assets. Who can blame them? Anyone in their shoes would do exactly the same.

The reforms, when they come, must address first the economical hardship of the people. All the political reforms are just to make this happen. If a multi party system would do better than a single one, that is yet to prove, let it be. Yet when you see the power greed of these x-opposition in Istambul, you wonder if finally the ‘have not’ may not be left empty handed after having given their blood.

The difference I have with you is that you think that Evil is irrevocably embodied in the ‘regime’ and that who ever will come after can only be embodied by the Good. Until now I have not seen the extraordinary, selfless person who can make think this way. After 4 months, all that I have seen are weak, confused, corrupted or lack experience.
The ‘regime’ of Bashar has taken a very tough lesson and may have opened its eyes to its errors, excesses and misjudgements. I give them the benefit of doubt. In view of the void in the opposition, I am encline to believe they are the only one who can realisticly make the changes. I guess the US an Turkey believe that too.
These changes will be ‘socialist’ and ‘arab’ not exactly what the x-opposition in istambul wants. Its a huge challenge and wont happen in a month or two.
Impatience is growing yet Tunisia and Egypt are a good example of how slow and difficult implementing changes are.

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July 19th, 2011, 11:25 pm

 

317. Abughassan said:

Some suggested that Asad puts his name for a national referendum to see if Syrians still want him to be president. Who can guarantee that this referendum will be different from the traditional 99% theatrical shows?
I do not like the idea,I prefer that he sets the stage for free elections and then give his post to a new president,however,I have little faith that he is even able to go that far.
Without a period of calm everything we hope for will be mere fantasies,if the killings and the unrest continues we may be left with two bad outcomes,and the lesser of two evils is a takeover by the army.
M.Habash will launch a new initiative by tomorrow asking for a “third option”,which many of us want and talked about,but how much support this man has? Please educate me about the guy and who are his likely allies.
Guns will not end this crisis,we need political courage and leadership,and none of that has surfaced yet.

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July 19th, 2011, 11:27 pm

 

318. Tara said:

Why

No why, that is not the difference between us. I do not believe that whoever will come after, can only be embodied by the good. I am very choosy in regard to who comes after. I certainly do not want shariaa law to tell me how to dress or how to behave, nor do I want a puppet government getting life support from the Saudis or the US. I share exact same concerns you have for life after bashar, and all x opposition meetings had failed to get me tuned in.

Where we lose each other, why, is at least in what I perceive in you as, ” see no evil”‘ and in what you perceive in me as ” seeing evil irrevocably embodied in the regime”. And while, I am willing to assume a more central position, I see you are not willing to do the same as you continue to refuse to acknowledge my grievances.

I ( internal opposition) would be willing to sit and have a dialogue with you ( the regime) provided minimal conditions are met. You want to dialogue without conditions and I want
a dialogue with conditions and there where we differ.

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July 19th, 2011, 11:53 pm

 

319. mjabali said:

Mr. NZ comment number 282

you said: “Mjabali,

“Sunnis of Lattakia, Banyas and Jableh rose against al-Assad”
“the Alawis came to battle them too”

Really, so its Sunnis vs. Allawis. You are no diffferent of the likes of Abu Umar. When you talk about Alawis, please do not sum them as a united pro Assad.

Your scenario, Assad or a civil war. The protestors’ scenario is Syrian without a civil war, without the Assad Mafia. ”

Mr. NZ. I am just telling you what happened and I am not taking sides. I am more interested into not hearing about the death of my friends: Sunnis, Christians and Alawis. Please read the facts on the streets in Lattakia and the whole coast. I am telling what happened and not interested into anyone’s agenda. I care more about my friends and family. Sorry Mr. N.Z if my words did not come to your liking.

As for you phrase: “Assad or a Civil war” I say we are witnessing now the Assad and a Civil War at the same time. What you call the death of 3000 Syrians so far? A Civil War or not? Wake up…صح النوم

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July 20th, 2011, 12:54 am

 

320. Libya, Syria and Middle East unrest | War & Peace in the Middle East said:

[…] sympathetic to the regime than most, quotes the semi-official al-Watan newspaper as claiming that “situation was back to normal” in […]

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July 20th, 2011, 10:13 am

 

321. Abu Umar said:

” 281. mjabali said:

Mr. Abu Umar comment # 270

I told you about my stance and I always try to speak the truth.”

Your posts belie this.

” I see the issues the Sunnis has with al-Assad. I am pro democracy and pro justice. But, also, I am a Syrian who is sick of this violence that is taking place and the sectarian violence that is threatening to come with the likes like you mr. Abu Umar.”

Why is it only sectarian when Sunnis do it but when your Alawite regime stacked with Alawi officers kills tens of thousands of Sunnis, that is not sectarian? Were you sick of the havoc that Syria inflicted on Lebanon?

“I am not a sectarian and here is the difference between you and I.”

No, you are a sectarian and it appears you are of Alawi background.

“I believe in equal rights to all protected by the law. You do not. Your law is your Sharia law that does not accept any minority and respects no one as usual.”

If you believe in equal rights, then why are the forces slaughtering Sunnis overwhelmingly Alawi?

“Do you have the courage to ask your Sheikhs to issue Fatawi making minorities equal to you. No. Modern Law can do this and guarantee the equality for all.”

Go preach to your Iranian and Iraqi allies, then come talk to me. Your Shi’ite allies in Iraq are certainly no liberals.

“AS for your claims about Zionism and Imperialism and all of this nonsense; I am pro America from day one. I like Capitalism and free market plus liberal ideas and secularism. I am not interested into talking about America and Israel and conspiracies, instead I am in love of the success of America and care less about Israel. Israel does not threaten me as much as the Salafi goons running around on horses. I want peace and human rights and a chance to live.”

So you admit that most of the mumaana propaganda is nonsense. Why don’t you proclaim your love of America on Ad-Dunya and Syrian state TV? And look at how you contradict yourself when you yourself used the “American” card exposing your brazen hypocrisy? You hypocritically attack the pro-American Gulf regimes, but when I call you out on your hypocrisy, you say you are pro-American. How pathetic can you get?!

“Of course I want birth control among Sunnis and everyone else. You told me to talk to the minorities about that issue, and I tell you that yes we will talk to them, but can you talk to any Sunni sheikh about this taboo subject?”

Why were the Iraqi Christians in Lebanon, nationalised and given their rights, while the Palestinians are still treated like dirt?

“plus, you said that your sunni religious sheikhs consider every one who deify Ali to be infedel, and that should be killed of course according to the same religious figures,”

Declaring someone an infidel doesn’t mean that they should be killed and before you ask me this question, you should tell my why the lunatic menhebek crowd supports the killing of tens of thousands of Sunnis just so Asad can stay in power. Just like your sympathies are with your group, mine lie with my own.

” here we have a question: Who are you and your Sunni Clerics to deem one worthy of getting killed or not? Who put you in this position, and are these Sunni Sheikhs like al-Zughbi for instance, liable by law to be brought for justice?”

Ask me this question after the Alawis who were involved in the deaths of tens of thousands of Sunnis are brought to justice

“AS for your stories about Ali ibn Abi Taleb: I tell you that I care less because I am living in this moment and by the laws of this moment and if he had killed innocent people so he loses points on my scale. I do not follow any religious figures or care about them. I want them not to care about me too.”

Look at your hypocrisy. Ali was an “Islamic extremist” by your definition, yet you refuse to criticise him because of your Alawi sectarianism.

“What is the future of minorities in your book Abu Umar; would you care to explain?”

Let the Syrians decide that, but the Asad mafia and shabiha scum have already lost and you can join them in the secular paradise of Iran.

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July 20th, 2011, 10:54 am

 

322. Abu Umar said:

“Really, so its Sunnis vs. Allawis. You are no diffferent of the likes of Abu Umar. When you talk about Alawis, please do not sum them as a united pro Assad.”

Their actions prove otherwise and the majority of them support the tactics of the regime. This isn’t sectarianism but reality.

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