Jabhat al-Nusra and Other Islamists Briefly Capture Historic Christian Town of Ma’loula

 

A hard-to-reach tomb in Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

A hard-to-reach tomb in Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Jabhat al-Nusra and Other Islamists Briefly Capture Historic Christian Town of Ma’loula

Matthew BarberBy Matthew Barber for Syria Comment

 

Ma’loula (or Maaloula) is one of those unique places you may be lucky to visit—or perhaps were lucky to have visited, were you fortunate enough to have been in Syria before the conflict began. An ancient town in a hollow encircled by mountain cliffs descending from their heights to offer shelter to the homes built directly against their sides… exploring its many secrets is to be transported back in time. Ancient monasteries, old churches, rock faces with cave dwellings and tombs—the place is brimming with rich historical treasures.

Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula is also unique for being among the minority of Syrian towns where Christians comprise a majority, though this status has by now eroded to the point where Christians are only a slight majority. Still, the town represents the survival of the Christian community stretching back to the early days of Christianity.

 

A Church in Maaloula. Photo: Kellie Stirling / Syria Comment

A Church in Maaloula. Photo: Kellie Stirling / Syria Comment

But the cultural wealth preserved in the town precedes Christianity; Ma’loula is one of the last places on earth where the pre-Christian language that once dominated the Near East, Aramaic, is still spoken. In use from almost 1000 years BCE, Aramaic was the most important language of Syria, Palestine, and Mesopotamia by the time Christianity entered the scene. Aramaic remained the lingua franca of the Near East until its ascendent position was supplanted by Arabic when Islam spread east, west, and north from the Arabian Peninsula. Aramaic had been an important language for conducting trade from Egypt to the borders of India, until the arrival of a sacred text—the Qur’an—whose effect was strong enough to issue the challenge that its own language take the place of most important tongue.

The dialect used in Ma’loula is labeled “Western Aramaic,” and is now only spoken in this small city and in two neighboring villages. A few years ago, President Assad began to officially support the efforts of Ma’loulans to conduct language preservation through Aramaic education programs in local schools. Though the generous Ba’athists never extended this right to the Kurds, it was a positive step toward strengthening the health of the local culture of Ma’loula. But yesterday, both the actions of Syrian rebels, as well as the response of the regime, will have the opposite effect on this fragile community.

Today, the position of such highly endangered languages is made more precarious by instances of violent conflict. It is important to note that most speakers of Aramaic dialects—Eastern and Western—are minorities: Christians, Jews, Assyrians, Chaldeans, and Mandeans. We’ve been able to observe clearly the destructive toll that conflict in the Middle East takes on minority and Christian communities, a phenomenon that unfolded before the world’s eyes in Iraq, and which has also been recently intensifying recently in Egypt. As the Syrian conflict has developed, we’ve also seen that minority Christian communities are often some of the most vulnerable segments of the population, and their numbers have already vanished from many of their cities, after fighting has become intense, or after rebels gained control of their areas. Being caught between warring factions, as well as a sense of exclusion experienced as non-Muslims when something that Islamists call “Islamic law” is implemented, prompts many Christians to emigrate from their homelands in the Middle East.

Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Image: New York Times

Image: New York Times

The Syrian conflict has certainly affected every Syrian to some degree, but it affects some areas more than others. Many towns have still managed to escape direct involvement, but given enough time, the conflict manages to find its way to everyone’s doorstep.

Until yesterday, the community in Ma’loula had avoided the direct presence of the conflict, but that all changed in the early morning (Wed., Sept. 4, reportedly around 5:30 am) when a Jordanian suicide-bomber named Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi (yes, same name as the famous al-Qaida figure) detonated a car bomb at the checkpoint guarding the entrance to Ma’loula, killing the soldiers there and allowing al-Qaida-linked rebels to roll into town in 20 pickup trucks with machine-guns mounted in the back.

Here’s a photo of the bombing of the Ma’loula checkpoint from Jabhat al-Nusra:

suicide car bombing of Ma'loula checkpoint

Nusra also posted photos of the bodies of the soldiers they killed at the checkpoint:

bodies of soldiers after attack on Ma'loula checkpoint

The following video shows rebels in the center of Ma’loula, firing weapons. It’s not clear if they are firing at specific targets, or merely announcing their arrival by firing into the air. Regardless, it was quite effective in terrorizing the local inhabitants.

 

And another video shows the rebels declaring their capture of the town after entering:

The video and photographic evidence available after the attack indicates that the operation was a coordinated effort between (at least) the following groups: Ahrar al-Sham, Jabhat al-Nusra, the Baba ‘Amr Brigades (a rebel group possibly affiliated with the SIF – Syrian Islamic Front), FSA Commandos Unit, and Soqour al-Sham. A video from Ahrar al-Sham can be found here. A video of shooting, apparently as part of the initial attack, is here.

My own Ma’loulan sources tell me that displaced people from Duma (between Ma’loula and Damascus) had taken up residence in Ma’loula, and cooperated with the rebels to facilitate their entrance. Ma’loulans now resent them for acting as a 5th column inside the very community that gave them shelter when they fled their own town as refugees. The danger with such cases is that it will generate suspicion and ill-will toward refugees generally.

Other photos of rebels posted online after taking Ma’loula can be found here, here, and here. One poster of photos from the operation to take the checkpoint refers to the soldiers as “apostates.” One poster seems to be from Somalia (unknown if he participated in the attack).

A Facebook page shows an alleged photo of one of the soldiers killed in the attack. Reportedly, at least 8 soldiers were killed on the first day.

Ma’loula only has one mosque. When the rebels entered the city center, they went to that mosque to declare victory and perform a typical chorus of takbiir (the shouting of Allahu Akbar).

According to Ma’loulans I spoke with, the attack involved two fronts. After the checkpoint was disabled, the Safir Hotel, located on the rocky cliffs overlooking the city, was appropriated by the rebels, who used it as a staging point for shelling. Some have said that they shelled the city from there; it seems that shells were fired from outside the city, as well.

The Safir Hotel can be seen atop the cliffs in the following two images. The strategic value of the site for anyone wanting to attack the town is obvious:

Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma'loula 2

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

 

After the Islamist-led rebel alliance took the town, the Syrian regime responded by sending in aircraft to attack the rebel positions. This is the ever-disastrous pattern to the Syria conflict: rebels take a town doing its best to mind its own business, and the regime comes to the defense of the town and destroys it in the process. I spoke yesterday with a Syrian Christian who traveled near Ma’loula during the time of the attack. Like many Christians in the country, he has no love for the oppression of the regime, but remains somewhat “pro-regime” in relation to the conflict, since the threat of Islamists showing up and taking over his town outweighs his dislike of the regime. I asked him, “Regardless of the fact that these rebels invaded uninvited, would it not be better for the regime to just leave them alone, rather than conducting an airstrike on one of the most historical places in the country?” He responded sadly: “They don’t care. They will destroy anyplace the rebels are to be found.” He reminded me of other historical treasures that have been damaged through the regime’s response to rebel incursions, such as occurred in Palmyra, and recently at the Qal’at al-Hosn (Crac des Chevaliers), a magnificent Crusader castle and important tourist attraction that the regime bombed after rebels set up base inside. For someone who has defended the regime’s side during the conflict, his attitude of exasperation toward the scale of their responses was telling. Still, residents of Ma’loula have expressed gratitude for the military reinforcements sent in to expel the unwanted rebels. Many in Syria still prefer the devil they know to the one they don’t—though they’re getting to know the latter all the same.

Footage of a helicopter filmed by rebels discussing whether to try shooting it down can be found, here.

After the regime’s counterattack, the rebels withdrew back inside the Safir Hotel. Initial reports said that after a 3-hour battle the military was able to drive the rebels out of the town. Today this has proven to be otherwise; rebels remained in the hotel all night and all the next day, and fighting resumed around 6:00 pm today, when rebels conducted another attack. The rebels lost the town yesterday in the sense that those in the city center were driven out, and only those in the hotel were able to remain. But the presence of rebels was not eliminated, as hostilities resumed today. Today’s fighting was allegedly more intense, as rebels moved through the alleys between homes, shooting. Apparently, young residents of the town tried to defend their areas even though they lacked weapons, and some were injured when standing up to the rebels.

The big question is: Why Ma’loula? What need is there for rebels to capture this town? Talk of “liberation” certainly has no currency when the local residents aren’t asking for any and would prefer to be left alone. Was there any strategic importance to the town? Or was it merely an easy target for “victory,” not well-guarded and unable to resist being taken over? Some have suggested that taking the town was needed in order to link to opposition resistance efforts in the nearby Qalamoon region. Jabhat al-Nusra’s official account, however, referred to the attack as part of the “Eye-for-an-Eye” revenge campaign, initially declared after the chemical weapons attacks in the Ghouta.

Al-Jazeera’s reporting was one-sided, as usual. It explained the attack exclusively in strategic terms, noting the town’s connections to other nearby communities with a rebel presence. They failed even to mention Jabhat al-Nusra’s presence in this campaign, instead referring only to the FSA’s involvement and ignoring the central role of Islamists in the operation.

When the rebels first came into the town, they reportedly told people “Don’t be afraid; stay inside your homes.” A video posted online by the Katibat Souwar Bab ‘Amr shows a rebel speaking to his men, affirming that (paraphrase, not verbatim):

We don’t shoot at any church or at civilians; we’re only here to push back against the oppression and will only target those who target us. They (the people of the town) are our people and part of our country. The regime has persecuted everyone, from all sects. Here we are in front of the church and everything is safe and the houses are safe.

Despite the affirmation of goodwill toward civilians and the pledge to not harm churches, I was told that the first mortar fired by rebels hit a church. Since then, others have conveyed to me that churches and monasteries have been damaged in yesterday and today’s fighting. Even if the damage is unintentional, local residents will likely not feel very understanding toward their uninvited “liberators.” I was told that at least some of the rebels cursed some Christians and threatened to kill them for being infidels. The rebel speaking in the video quoted above may reflect one group’s approach to taking the town, but several groups with different ideologies were participating, and Nusra’s presence confuses things. When Nusra’s revenge campaign began, many threats were voiced against towns and civilians. Though it seems that civilians survived largely unscathed in the events in Ma’loula, it is disconcerting to see the attack associated with a revenge campaign. One of Nusra’s photos for the attack on Ma’loula was published on Facebook with a verse from the Qur’an stating: “Allah give us patience and victory over the infidels”—perhaps not the best slogan to use when launching an al-Qaida-led attack in which a Jordanian Islamist blows himself up at the gate of the oldest Christian village in the country.

It is hard to know how unified they were on their post-invasion behavioral code, but we have more than one report (including from my own contacts) alleging that multiple churches/monasteries were damaged and/or ransacked. Reports online of churches burned in Ma’loula are false and can be attributed to propaganda sources with a pro-regime orientation, exaggerating the degree and kind of damage that occurred. However, my own source alleges that the Mar Taqla monastery was hit with two shells, and there are varying reports of other attacks. Three articles on Lebanese and Syrian websites offer conflicting reports on exactly which churches were damaged: 1, 2, 3. In one of them, the Melkite patriarch is quoted claiming that rebels broke into multiple Christian homes and churches, burning crucifixes and icons. The other two articles give conflicting accounts of the report received by the head nun of the Mar Taqla Monastery. One account has her claiming that 15 nuns and the orphans they care for had to sleep inside of a cave in the mountain, while the other has her claiming that the monastery was not attacked.

While we’re waiting for more details on the actual damage, my contacts claim to be certain that Ma’loula’s Aramaic Language Education Center (an institute that works for the preservation of the language) was broken into by rebels and looted.

There are no details on what was stolen, but that this particular institution would be targeted seems to underscore the earlier point about the vulnerability of religio-linguistic minorities. This vulnerability is what has prompted Pope Francis to issue a statement today to the leaders of the G20 countries, opposing military intervention in Syria.

… amid the U.S. threat of military intervention, Vatican and church officials have warned that a world war could erupt, with Christians in the region bearing the brunt of the fallout…

Though many details on this story need further clarification, one thing is certain: the situation led to the fleeing of many Ma’loula residents to Damascus. An area that previously received refugees is now sending out its own, and the dwindling numbers of Aramaic-speakers are no longer comfortable within their remote mountain fastness.

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Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

 

For an interesting read about Ma’loula during the conflict, see this article by Robert Fisk.

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Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following very important heads up.

Reviewing the material presented in this latest falsification of truths and facts on this site, an ongoing process fueled by its owner and side-kicks, we came to the unavoidable conclusion that most of the material and so-called evidence of photos and videos are in total contradiction to the gist of the post seeking in essence to tarnish the repuation of the glorious revolution of the peope of Syria, implying a clear desperate attemp to spread propaganda on behalf of the falling and desperate regime of pervert criminals.

We found, on the other hand, al-jazeera reporting to be the the most accurate representation of events. We did not find any evidence in the material presented in this post of falsification supporting the alleged connections to phantom so-called terrorist groups amongst the fighters who liberated Maalola as part of the strategic objective of liberating Al-Qalamoon. Whatever happened in that city in the last two days was strictly a military operation aimed at liberating north west Damascus which is still an ongoing operation as of this writing.

Therefore, we urge readers to exercise extreme caution, sound judgement and critical analysis when reading anything emanating from the administrators of this site.

September 6th, 2013, 2:22 am

 
 

annie said:

An urgent appeal from Krak des Chevaliers: Please share with media and humanitarian organisations:
Media awareness campaign for Krak des Chevaliers: 09-09-2013

In the name of God the merciful

Krak des Chevaliers (a.k.a. Qalat al Hosn), Homs province, 05-09-2013: This is an urgent appeal to the world to help save the lives of hundreds of civilians trapped under regime bombardment and siege in Krak des Chevaliers (a.k.a. Qalat al Hosn) in Homs province.

The people of Krak des Chevaliers have now been suffering daily bombardment and siege for over two years, with continuous and relentless bombing and massive destruction by Assad’s forces. Many residents, including women and children, have been killed or wounded; the regime siege which has cut off all supplies of food, water, medicine, fuel and electricity means that there is no food and no milk or infant formula for children.

More than 500 families are trapped under the suffocating siege and living amid catastrophic daily destruction, and the lack of communications means that the world barely knows about residents’ daily suffering and slow death from starvation.

We – the coordination staff from Free Krak des Chevaliers and the Krak des Chevaliers youth group – ask all activists and media professionals to help us to raise awareness of the horrendous situation in the village and to launch an information campaign to spread the word and show the scale of the suffering. On Monday September 9th, we are holding a social media awareness-raising day – you can participate on Twitter, on Facebook or in any other media. To find out more, please contact us with any enquiries on our Facebook page at:

https://www.facebook.com/freehosn?ref=hl

Anyone able to provide any aid or assistance or wishing to find out more can call:
00965-55280675

Please do whatever you can to help your brothers and sisters in Krak des Chevaliers. Thank you.

September 6th, 2013, 2:30 am

 
 

SYRIAN ACAHAMSTER said:

Chemical Weapons Massacre:
More than 1400 Civilians Murdered.
More than 10,000 Affected , many perhaps permanently
SC response time 5+ days

Maloula Military Operation
Civilians Murdered:0
Civilians wounded: 0
SC response time: 1 day

Impressive academic credentials.

September 6th, 2013, 2:57 am

 
 

Alan said:

Falsely charging the Russians with supplying military helicopters to Assad is an unnecessary provocation. Falsely blaming the Assad government for a so-called massacre perpetrated by a violent warring rebel faction is nothing more than war propaganda. Most knowledgeable people now recognize that the planned war against Syria is merely the next step to take on the Iranian government, something the neo-cons openly admit. Controlling Iranian oil, just as we have done in Saudi Arabia and are attempting to do in Iraq, is the real goal of the neo-conservatives who have been in charge of our foreign policy for the past couple of decades.

War is inevitable without a significant change in our foreign policy, and soon.
http://youtu.be/8rCvfwoRGMg?t=1s

September 6th, 2013, 3:40 am

 

Matthew Barber said:

Hamster,

You have a penchant for unfair characterizations. Syria Comment is not a full-fledged news source with a media team working day and night in a situation room, and it is not responsible to cover every Syria-related story.

The few people here write when they are able, and when they have particular knowledge on a topic. If I had had connections to the area of the Ghouta that was attacked with chemical weapons, I would have written as much detail about it as I did about Ma’loula. As it happens, I didn’t know anyone there, so I relied as much as the next person on reports from others to understand what was taking place. Brown Moses and others were very helpful in collecting and presenting the convincing evidence that it was the regime who conducted those attacks, something I wouldn’t have been able to do without that level of insight regarding weapons and munitions.

After those contributions brought clarity to the situation, I posted numerous stories on the topic in a round-up (though I didn’t have any original material to contribute), and JL made numerous statements in public media asserting that the regime was behind the chemical weapons attacks. At one point, he had to defend that position against a CNN anchor who didn’t seem convinced, and who seemed to want to blame the rebels. Did you miss what he said in the Bloomberg article? Perhaps you should take another glance: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-27/assad-s-brother-seen-linked-to-syria-chemical-attack.html

As it happened, I do have more of a connection to Ma’loula, and immediately had people to contact after the situation developed. Since I was able to contribute something in that regard, I did so. This is not selective coverage for political reasons; it’s about personal knowledge and limitations.

The CW attacks pained me greatly, as did this photo today of a boy shot in the face by a sniper: https://twitter.com/GeredaV/status/372723785956220929/photo/1

September 6th, 2013, 3:45 am

 

Uzair8 said:

From the main post above:

Al-Jazeera’s reporting was one-sided, as usual. It explained the attack exclusively in strategic terms, noting the town’s connections to other nearby communities with a rebel presence. They failed even to mention Jabhat al-Nusra’s presence in this campaign, instead referring only to the FSA’s involvement and ignoring the central role of Islamists in the operation.

AJE Live Syria Blog about 6 hours ago:

Syrian rebel fighters withdrew after briefly capturing a historic Christian town near Damascus.

Syrian rebel fighters withdrew on Thursday after briefly capturing a historic Christian town in the centre of the country as part of a campaign to take control of strategic mountains near Damascus, opposition sources said.

Several rebel brigades, including a contingent of the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front, swept into the town of Maaloula in the Qalamoun mountains on Wednesday after overrunning a roadblock manned by troops and militia loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the sources said.

Read more:

September 6th, 2013, 5:40 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Tara

Glad you liked it. Thought it may have become buried at the end of the previous (x2) post.

Yes I did consider Zoo for the NightCall slot (10pm-1am), perhaps as studio/phone guest, or one of the various alternating daily guests along with others (Commando, Rev, Syrian Girl etc). Required more thinking time to integrate the idea while keeping it as realistic as possible.

Zoo

Glad you sensed the humour. However, by your response I sense I’ve stumbled on to something (?). Hmm…this radio thing may have something to it.

Anyway, I can imagine the NightCall phone-in, of recent a decrease in the Ghufran/Apple-Mini type callers, with more Ali-type callers hogging the airways.

I can imagine some callers phoning in under different names with slightly disguised voice, to give the Shabeeha listening audience a morale boosting impression of greater support than actual.

September 6th, 2013, 6:03 am

 

Jabhat al-Nusra and Other Islamists Briefly Capture Historic Christian Town of Ma’loula | Middle East Musings said:

[…] Barber, of the University of Chicago and contributor at Syria Comment, has written a detailed article on the recent fighting in the historic Christian town of Ma`loula.  Ma`loula, until a few days ago, […]

September 6th, 2013, 6:06 am

 

Hopeful said:

This incident is a clear proof to me that many of the rebels on the ground do not report to the central command of the FSA. I highly doubt that the FSA central command will approve of such operation. It has disastrous implications on the FSA and the revolution. I won’t be surprised if the regime intentionally ensured that the checkpoint is weak enough as to invite the rebels to attack it. The soldiers manning these checkpoints are poor drafted young boys whom the regime could care less about. Within my extended family today, we have two boys who just finished college and waiting for their draft orders. Their parents are desperately trying to get them out of this, but how can they?. They will either end up manning useless checkpoints and getting blown up by the rebels, or they will try to escape and get killed by the regime. They are helpless.

I have said it before here on SC. The opposition made a fatal strategic mistake by not speaking up strongly against Al-Nusra. Last year, when the US added Al-Nusra to the terrorist list, they should have at least kept quite. Anyone who understands the US system and psyche knows that the US president cannot do anything without public and congress support. If the opposition wanted the US to help, which they did, they should have helped the administration with its public opinion struggle, not worked against it. You cannot, on one hand, keep saying that “we do not need anyone but God”, and on the other hand be bitter and negative that the US is not doing enough to help you.

In the war of public relation to influence the West’s public opinion, Assad and his regime are doing much better than the opposition. Until now. Assad’s use of chemical weapons may prove to be his fatal mistake that will put an end to his regime. I do not believe this incident in Maaloula will change much in that regards. I believe it was a stupid and irresponsible move from the rebels, especially at this time when they need the West’s public opinion more than any other time during the revolution. Enough pretending that, without a direct western help, they will be able to defeat the regime while winning the hearts and minds of the Syrian people.

Despite all the criticism they get, I believe Josh, Matheaw, and their team are doing a great job with their reporting and analysis. I, for one, am very thankful for their contribution. In this ugly dirty war, it is very difficult to remain objective and distinguish the facts from the lies.

September 6th, 2013, 6:12 am

 

Uzair8 said:

This is worth a listen. On Up All Night (last night after 1am) on BBC Radio 5, the presenter had a discussion with PJ Crowley and a Russian guest. As it went on I became increasingly engrossed as it seemed to be getting to the heart of the matter, what we haven’t seen until now (?), but perhaps due to the focusing of minds in anticipation of military intervention…

Listen from 7:04. The discussion begins a minute or so into it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039czxy

September 6th, 2013, 6:15 am

 

Uzair8 said:

On Sunday morning on Radio 5 Anita Anand hosted an international debate on the Syrian issue. I had to head to work but am now catching up online. If anyone else is interested they can listen below.

Listen to the introduction from the start and then you can skip the news/sport headlines and listen from 6:04:

Double Take – 01/09/2013

As President Obama hits the pause button on military strikes against Syria – Anita hosts an international debate on the crisis with guests from the US (Jonathan Paris), Syria (Halla Diyab), Russia (Andrey Kortunov) and France (Vivien Pertusot).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039c2t1

September 6th, 2013, 6:50 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Journalist, Press Tv presenter, convert to Islam, activist, vehement opponent of Iraq war and general western wars, Yvonne Ridley:

Forget the red lines and political egos – focus on saving lives

Yvonne Ridley | 30th August 2013

I am a peace activist but at the moment one wrestling with her conscience because, in truth, if someone gave me a gun and Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad strolled into the crosshairs I think I would struggle not to pull the trigger.

The former eye doctor is a monster who has no boundaries when it comes to killing his own people. I have known this for many years and so has America, Britain and their allies.

In fact, until recently, the US has been more than happy to hand over people to the Assad regime in the full knowledge of what would happen to them in the notorious torture dungeons hidden across Syria. As a craven partner in the war on terror, Britain will also have been kept in the loop.

These same dungeons were set up by Bashar’s father Hafez al-Assad, a man who ordered the massacre of 20,000 Syrian citizens in the city of Hama in 1982. It was a brutal operation supervised by younger brother General Rifaat al-Assad. It seems that the apples do not fall far from the Assad family tree.

As such, for Obama to talk about red lines and for David Cameron to try and do a Blair, please forgive me for gagging with the stench of hypocrisy.

A red line was crossed way back in February 2011 when 18 schoolboys were “disappeared” by the Assad regime for daubing some harmless graffiti on a wall in Dera. ; another red line was crossed when the 11-year-olds re-emerged three weeks later with all of their finger nails missing, some of them castrated and every single one with at least one broken bone in his body.

A red line was crossed when, after six months of public rallies demanding justice over the treatment of the Graffitti Boys, more than 1,000 civilians had been killed; that was the breaking point for ordinary Syrians who had, until then, resisted calls to join the Arab Spring.

A red line was crossed a few weeks ago when the civilian death toll exceeded 100,000 and millions of Syrian men, women and children were listed as refugees in squalid camps in neighbouring countries.

The world is now confronted by a humanitarian disaster on a rapidly unfolding scale which can barely be compared with any other in recent times, man-made or otherwise. That the West thinks it can drop some bombs and cure the disaster speaks volumes in itself and reveals that nothing has been learned from the mess that is Iraq.

Nevertheless, the reality is that chemical weapons are being dropped on the Syrian people and they do need help from somewhere; anywhere. So what is a person of conscience to do or think?

[…]

http://yvonneridley.org/analysis-and-opinion/forget-the-red-lines-and-political-egos-focus-on-saving-lives

September 6th, 2013, 7:25 am

 
 

Hopeful said:

lol – this could be used to teach “political correctness” classes!

http://youtu.be/3xIIsHY-gi4

What an embarrassment this guy is!

September 6th, 2013, 7:42 am

 

zoo said:

Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/saudi-egyptian-relations-fault-lines-future-conflict


The nightmare scenario for the Saudis is for Egypt to take its own course on the Syrian crisis, realizing – as many Egyptians already know – that its national security is intimately linked to what happens in the Levant. The destruction of the Syrian army and the fragmentation of the country could very well be a prelude to subjecting Egypt – the Arab world’s largest nation – to the very same catastrophe, thus weakening it before the Zionist enemy.

Therefore, Saudi’s rulers are today pursuing a dual strategy in containing Egypt. On the one hand, they are working to undermine any independent course that the Muslim Brotherhood may take, in an attempt to subordinate them to Riyadh’s priorities in the region. At the same time, by showering the new government in Cairo with billions in aid and diplomatic support, it is hoping to keep Egypt under US-Saudi influence.

For the time being, the Egyptian government is doing its best to avoid any tensions with the Gulf kingdom, building on their mutual antagonism toward the Brotherhood and hoping to buy time until the country gets through this delicate transitional period. In the end, however, there is no avoiding the day when Egypt stands on its own, and conflict seeps back into its relationship with Saudi Arabia.

September 6th, 2013, 8:23 am

 

Tara said:

Hopeful,

The link should be sent to the congress. And to Suzan Rice.

May be to Mil Gibdon too? …Nay!

September 6th, 2013, 8:30 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Maaloula is more than what you said,Matthew,much more
I spent a summer there, I don’t enjoy seeing barren mountain, caves dug in a rocky mountain,I enjoyed seeing the mountain split Gorge(couloir), but more than that I enjoy the holy spirit that overwhelm you as you hear the beatiful stories ,as told by the nuns,so many great stories,by the history of Maaloula,by the fact that inspite of two thousand years an island where people still speak Araimic language,the clean very white houses, I slept with my mother in what we call DAIR, the priest split the frenulum under my sister tongue, cured her from her jaundice,that was a medical miracle to me, my mother saw a dream,the holly Teqla telling my mother about the fate of my other sister,which turned to be true.

Maaloula is a holly place,we should be proud of,however the regime committed obscenity in placing a military base there

September 6th, 2013, 8:38 am

 

zoo said:

Will more follow after listening to the wishy-washy Obama plan?

One House Republican Moves From “Do Something” to “Eh, Maybe Not” on Syria

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/09/05/one_house_republican_moves_from_do_something_to_eh_maybe_not_on_syria.html

llinois Rep. Randy Hultgren represents some of Chicago’s southwest surbubs, a generally conservative area …

Today, following a briefing, Hultgren said this.

The President’s case and the facts presented failed to make a compelling case for why it is in the national interest of the United States to engage our military in Syria. This is a tragedy that the international community must be fully engaged in, and we must pursue all options to determine what other actions can be taken to stop the bloodshed and pursue peace. But we cannot commit our military forces when there seems to be no clear objective or path to ending our involvement. History shows that there is no such thing as a limited or surgical strike – that every action will be met with a reaction. In this instance, I am concerned that military strikes could result in many unforeseen consequences.

Not quite “no,” but more of a “no” than he was hinting at before. And he’s a conservative in a safe seat.

September 6th, 2013, 8:43 am

 

zoo said:

AIPAC joining forces with Saudi Arabia and Qatar

AIPAC in Full Court Press on Syria
by Eli Lake Sep 3, 2013 6:00 PM EDT

AIPAC is breaking precedent to support war resolution on Syria. Eli Lake reports.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/03/aipac-in-full-court-press-on-syria.html

America’s largest pro-Israel lobby has deployed its organization in Congress to push for the president’s war authorization against Syria, according to a senior official with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) who called the effort a “full court press.”
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SANA/Reuters

Earlier Tuesday, AIPAC issued a strong statement supporting the president’s call for congressional authorization of limited airstrikes against Syria. A senior official at AIPAC tells The Daily Beast that the organization’s leadership received a phone call from a senior White House official on Saturday, after the president’s surprise announcement that he would be seeking congressional authorization for a Syria strike, asking what AIPAC’s position would be on a congressional resolution. This official said the lobby received similar calls from Republican and Democratic leaders in the House and Senate.

While AIPAC lobbies Congress for a stronger U.S.-Israel relationship, the group rarely deploys its lobbyists in favor of war resolutions like the one before Congress on Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

zoo said:

Is Hollande looking at the EU for a face saving retreat for his warmongering stances?

http://rt.com/news/g20-political-tension-syria-473/

French President Hollande, whose country was divided over supporting a strike on Syria, said that he expects some “political progress,” calling for a unified EU position on the issue. It was not immediately clear if Hollande had a change of heart in his readiness to join the US in military intervention. e

September 6th, 2013, 8:54 am

 

zoo said:

What might be targeted and how ?
US plans to carry out ‘limited Syria strike’ with stand-off weapons
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=61168

IHS Jane’s Defence expert says US does not have munition that is capable of safely destroying chemical weapons stockpiles.

LONDON – The alleged chemical weapons attack carried out by the Syrian forces last month has put the US intelligence in uncomfortable zone as Washington plans to carry out a limited strike with stand-off weapons, according to IHS Jane’s Defence.

“We are told that the current plan is to carry out a limited strike with stand-off weapons. That means that there will be no US aircraft in range of Syria’s air defences, so there will be no specific requirement to take out the surface-to-air missile sites and radars,” said Jeremy Binnie, an expert at IHS Jane’s Defence.

“Meanwhile, the admission that the US did not have the capacity to process the intelligence showing that Syrian forces were preparing a chemical weapons attack on 21 Aug until after the incident has flagged up the difficulties of tracking everything that is going on. For this reason, the extent to which the US will be able to hit mobile targets that require real-time intelligence is debatable. That said, if you wanted to hurt the Syrian military and limit its ability to attack neighbouring countries, then its longer-range ‘Scud-D’ ballistic missile launchers would be priority targets,” Binnie said.

“The cruise missile strikes that have opened other campaigns have typically targeted numerous fixed sites, especially buildings and bunkers that are associated with the Ministry of Defence, the military and intelligence services – we expect the same in Syria. Weapon storage facilities could also be targeted, much like the Israelis did earlier this year,” he noted, adding that “as the US does not have a munition that is capable of safely destroying chemical weapons stockpiles, these will not be on the target list.”

However, Binnie said that US planners would probably want to hit other targets that are associated with the chemical weapons programme when they believe this can be safely done.

Binnie expressed doubts that Syria’s infrastructure such as bridges and power plants would be targeted.

“I am not sure about this as that would create significant post-war problems for Syria, as it did for Iraq where the US struggled to get the country back on its feet because it had inflicted so much damage to infrastructure,” he said.

Binnie explained that weakening Syrian regime’s military capabilities such as air bases would not make too much difference to the conflict, as the Syrian military is more reliant on surface-to-surface weapons.

“Another possibility is that a more determined attempt to degrade Syria’s military capabilities will simply involve a wider campaign against division- and brigade-level headquarters and communications infrastructure, thereby decreasing the ability of the Syrian Arab Army to co-ordinate its operations,” he said.

September 6th, 2013, 8:59 am

 

jo6pac said:

Please remember if Amerika comes to the Syria rebels rescue they will destroy water, sewer, power, airports, bridges and all thing needed for citizens of Syria to live. Syria will look like this in the future and it isn’t pretty. I feel very sad my country does this to other nations that mean us no harm.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/05/lawlessness-and-ruin-in-libya/

September 6th, 2013, 9:02 am

 

zoo said:

The SAA comes to rescue Maaloula from Al Nusra Islamist fighters

Fri., 8:53am: Syria sends reinforcements to Christian village
September 6, 2013

http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/592643/Fri—8-53am–Syria-sends-reinforcements-to-Christian-village.html?nav=5192

BEIRUT – The Syrian government has dispatched reinforcements including tanks and armored personnel carriers to a predominantly Christian village north of Damascus where rebels have clashed with regime troops this week, a monitoring group said Friday.

Opposition fighters led by an al-Qaida-linked rebel faction attacked the mountainside sanctuary of Maaloula on Wednesday, and briefly entered the village a day later before pulling out in the evening. The assault has spotlighted fears among Syria’s religious minorities about the prominent role of Islamic extremists in the rebel ranks fighting to overthrow President Bashar Assad’s regime.

The government forces sent to Maaloula have taken up positions outside the village, which is still under the control of local pro-regime militias, said Rami Abdul-Rahman, the director of the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. He added that there were skirmishes Friday around the village, which is home to two of the oldest surviving monasteries in Syria – Mar Sarkis and Mar Takla.

The assault is being spearheaded by Jabhat al-Nusra, one of the most effective rebel factions and a group the United States has deemed a terrorist organization. The group includes Syrians as well as foreign fighters from across the Muslim world.

September 6th, 2013, 9:04 am

 

jo6pac said:

673. revenire said:

JO6PAC yes, they’ve censored it (along with many comments as well).

Thanks revenire, jo6pac

September 6th, 2013, 9:07 am

 

zoo said:

WANTED WITH REWARD

Syria offers bounty for foreign “terrorists”

(Reuters) / 6 September 2013

For the first time in Syria’s 2-1/2 year conflict, the government is offering a bounty to anyone who captures a foreign “terrorist” – the word authorities use for rebels fighting to topple President Bashar Al Assad.

In a brief statement on Syrian television, authorities said they would give 500,000 Syrian pounds to anyone who brought in a “non-Syrian terrorist” and 200,000 pounds to anyone who gave information on their whereabouts or helped apprehend them.

September 6th, 2013, 9:09 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Obama will speak in one hour

September 6th, 2013, 9:14 am

 

zoo said:

Is Erdogan going nuts?

Turkey’s Erdogan: Almost all G20 leaders call for operation in Syria
September 06, 2013 03:59 PM

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-06/230263-turkeys-erdogan-almost-all-g20-leaders-call-for-operation-in-syria.ashx#ixzz2e7NREr2Z

September 6th, 2013, 9:14 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our most distinguished benefactors of well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of these very important heads up.

1) German government is seeking to refer the recent CW attack to the International Court of Justice. Among those named for referral is none other criminal pervert, B. Al-Assad. This development followed recent German Intelligence revelations about the attacks.

2) President Obama has increased dramatically the scope and objectives of the upcoming strikes to include other branches of the military and expanded revised list of targets.

3) Non-essential U.S. personel in Beirut and Ankara have been ordered out of those places by the US State Dept. it is not clear if the move is a signal for the countdown to the zero hour.

4) Secretary Kerry has been very successful in enlisting support for the American move against Criminal Pervert among US alles particularly in Europe. There are increasing calls within NATO, that the operation should become a NATO operation.

September 6th, 2013, 9:15 am

 

zoo said:

#28 Majed

It will be Obama’s last chance…

Obama Losing The War At Home (The Note)
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/obama-losing-the-war-at-home-the-note/


As of now, he’s one of many House Democrats poised to vote no. Has anything in the administration’s argument been persuasive? “No,” he told ABC News after the meeting. “I listened to an official from the administration yesterday and while he was certainly powerful in his statements about why we should go alone, in terms of striking targets in Syria, I don’t think he said anything compelling.” When it comes to Syria, Cleaver ultimately said he has to treat President Obama like he would President Bush: “It doesn’t matter who sleeps in the White House,” he said.

September 6th, 2013, 9:17 am

 

revenire said:

“Brown Moses and others were very helpful in collecting and presenting the convincing evidence that it was the regime who conducted those attacks, something I wouldn’t have been able to do without that level of insight regarding weapons and munitions.”

Dr. Matt BARBER you are aware that Eliot Higgins aka Brown Moses is an unemployed video gamer with ZERO expertise in weapons/military hardware correct? Higgins has no military background.

If you don’t believe me just Goggle the stories that have been done on him in the UK press. I believe there are two. Here are links from the UK:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/21/frontroom-blogger-analyses-weapons-syria-frontline

http://www.channel4.com/news/brown-moses-blog-syria-arms-weapons-croatia

And from the propaganda site Syria Deeply:

http://beta.syriadeeply.org/2013/04/profile-man-brown-moses/#.UinaFtJ01gE

I am sorry to say this but it is sloppy intellectual work on your part to rely on Higgins for analysis of videos. It certainly isn’t proof.

September 6th, 2013, 9:37 am

 

revenire said:

“Annie” Krak des Chevaliers was overrun by Nusra. They will all be annihilated by the SAA. My army sources tell me it has already happened.

September 6th, 2013, 9:38 am

 

zoo said:

This is a much more sensible resolution. Has it any chance to fly?

Two senators mulling alternative Syria resolution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/09/05/two-senators-mulling-alternative-syria-resolution/

A draft resolution being circulated by two moderate Democratic senators would give the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad 45 days to sign an international chemical weapons ban or face the threat of “all elements” of U.S. military power.

Sens. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) are working on the alternative proposal, which would delay the immediate use of military force and compel the Obama administration to build more international and American political support for striking the Assad government, according to Senate aides familiar with the talks.

The resolution would give the Assad government 45 days to sign the chemical weapons ban and require President Obama to present lawmakers with a plan to end the violence in Syria through diplomatic means, according to a draft copy of the resolution obtained by The Post from Senate aides.

Aides cautioned that the final wording of a resolution is still in the works, but provided this proposed language:

“The failure by the government of Bashar al-Assad to sign and comply with the [Chemical Weapons] Convention clearly demonstrates a disregard of international norms on the use of chemical weapons. If the Government of Syria does not sign the Convention within 45 after the date of the enactment of this resolution, all elements of national power will be considered by the United States government.”

“Not later than 45 days after the date of the enactment of this resolution, the President shall submit to Congress a long term strategy for Syria, while concurrently using all appropriate diplomatic tools to develop and secure commitments from the international community with the shared strategic interest of preventing the proliferation and use of Syria’s chemical weapons.”

“This is a draft proposal Senator Heitkamp is working on to approach the very complex situation in Syria. It is one idea that is still a work in progress,” said her spokeswoman, Abigail McDonough.

September 6th, 2013, 9:41 am

 

revenire said:

No European nation, outside of France (and they say without the US forget it), that I am aware of is an illegal act of war and aggression against Syria. Quite the contrary.

If anyone has a list of nations who are for war – in or out of NATO – please post it for the readers because I say they’re lying.

September 6th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

zoo said:

“Limited strikes” he said? Well it seems there will be “Limited retaliation”

US intercepts Iranian order for attack on US interests in
6 September 2013 /REUTERS, WASHINGTON

The United States has intercepted an order from an Iranian official instructing militants in Iraq to attack US interests in Baghdad in the event the Obama administration launches a military strike in Syria, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

September 6th, 2013, 9:45 am

 

Ghufran said:

Obama and Putin did not come up with an agreement on Syria according to CNN

September 6th, 2013, 9:55 am

 

zoo said:

Who is for, who is against and who is cautious?

Putin disputed that his dinner guests were split over the White House’s push for military intervention in Syria, saying only the U.S., France, Saudi Arabia, Canada and Turkey backed the move. He said British Prime Minister David Cameron supported it, but his Parliment does not and that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is “cautious.”

And he added, “who was opposing and condemning: Russia, India, Indonesia, China, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa, Italy… and also the Secretary General of the UN voiced his protest against, and let us not forget the address of the pope.”

Read more here: http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/washington/2013/09/putin-disputes-suggestion-that-his-dinner-guests-were-split-5050-on-syrian-intervention.html#storylink=cpy

September 6th, 2013, 9:58 am

 

Uzair8 said:

27. Zoo said:

‘WANTED WITH REWARD

Syria offers bounty for foreign “terrorists”’

Sounds like clever improvisation. Lacking manpower the regime can get citizens to in effect help out.

September 6th, 2013, 10:02 am

 

don said:

JONES OPPOSES OBAMA ON SYRIA

http://jones.house.gov/press-release/jones-opposes-obama-syria

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressman Walter B. Jones (NC-3) issued the following statement regarding next week’s expected vote on a resolution that would authorize U.S. military intervention in Syria.

“I will vote against any proposal to authorize U.S. military intervention in Syria,” said Congressman Jones. “The reality of America’s dismal fiscal situation is that any money spent to bomb Syria will be borrowed from overseas or will be taken from the Defense Department’s already-shrinking budget – resulting in even fewer resources for Eastern North Carolina military installations. Neither of these options is acceptable.”

“Furthermore, there are serious questions about the credibility of the Obama administration’s claims regarding the use of sarin gas in Syria. The president has failed to explain how our national security depends on engaging in yet another Middle Eastern civil war on the side of radical Islamist rebels who have been documented as possessing sarin gas and BEAHEDING CHRISTIANS, among other atrocities.”

September 6th, 2013, 10:05 am

 

Syrian said:

بسام الخوري
4 hours ago ·

البارحه ضرب الاسد واحرق كنيسة عربين وبزل الجيش الحر جهودا مضنيه لانقاذ مقتنياتها الثمينه رغم عدم توفر المعدات
لماذا صمت الافاكون الكذبه وراحوا ينسجون الاكاذيب حول معلولا؟؟؟؟؟؟!!!!!
السبب معروف ولا جديد يا خرفان وعشاق العشيره الاسديه وحلفاؤها

September 6th, 2013, 10:05 am

 

Syrian said:

بسام الخوري
4 hours ago ·
البارحه ضرب الاسد واحرق كنيسة عربين وبذل الجيش الحر جهودا مضنيه لانقاذ مقتنياتها الثمينه رغم عدم توفر المعدات
لماذا صمت الافاكون الكذبه وراحوا ينسجون الاكاذيب حول معلولا؟؟؟؟؟؟!!!!!
السبب معروف ولا جديد يا خرفان وعشاق العشيره الاسديه وحلفاؤها

September 6th, 2013, 10:07 am

 

Uzair8 said:

CHEMICAL ATROCITY – THEORY #10

Assad lost his nerve*, perhaps in part pushed to the brink by the alleged assassination attempt, and went for it. Thinking the UN inspectors would be an alibi of a sort and that world focus was on Egypt.

*German Intelligence – Listening into Hezbo/regime they conclude/suggest Assad lost his nerve. See report online.

September 6th, 2013, 10:09 am

 

Uzair8 said:

General Ali Habib.

Assuming his defection is true…

Is the Syrian Army, or sections of it fed up of the mess created by the hardcore (4th Brigade, Republican Guards, Shabeeha etc) and wants out? Have they sent out Ali Habib, some suggest an acceptable figure to the opposition, as an alternative to Assad, someone who the army and opposition could get behind?

Has Gen. Habib discussed with friends in the army who are unhappy at the situation and particularly the upcoming intervention? Have they discussed, briefed, agreed on a plan and snuck out the General?

September 6th, 2013, 10:17 am

 

don said:

Bishops in US come out against military strikes on Syria

Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States opposed military action against Syria on Wednesday, saying it would led to “unintended negative consequences.”

In a letter to President Barack Obama, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops said Washington should instead “work urgently and tirelessly” with others to end Syria’s drawn-out civil war.

While condemning the use of chemical weapons in Syria, it said Pope Francis and Christian bishops in the Middle East have both urged the international community to avoid military intervention.

“They have made it clear that a military attack will be counterproductive, will exacerbate an already deadly situation and will have unintended negative consequences,” it stated.

Co-signing the letter were New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the Conference, and Bishop Richard Pates of Iowa, chair of its international justice and peace committee.

The Roman Catholic Church is the biggest Christian denomination in the United States.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130904/bishops-us-come-out-against-military-strikes-syria

September 6th, 2013, 10:19 am

 

zoo said:

That may save Obama’s face and makes him switch to push for the Geneva conference and guarantees that WMD won’t be used again

House Might Not Vote on Obama’s Syria Resolution

September 6, 2013 10:04 AM
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/357794/house-might-not-vote-obamas-syria-resolution-john-fund

Congressional aides in both parties tell me that the chances of President Obama winning House approval for military action in Syria are so bad they actually doubt the House would ultimately vote on it if failure seemed certain.

Two new whip counts of House members by ABC News and the liberal Firedoglake web site show a majority of House members firmly or leaning against intervention. The Washington Post’s more conservative count stands at 204 “no” votes, only 13 short of the majority needed to kill the president’s request.

President Obama’s aides say he will begin lobbying Congress personally after he returns from the G-20 summit in Russia late tonight. But his troops have been oddly nonchalant about building support. Organizing for America, the Obama political action group, has been silent and hasn’t communicated at all with its millions of e-mail subscribers about putting pressure on Congress. The White House’s legislative-affairs office has talked with only about 30 percent of House members so far — and some of those contacts are two weeks old.

“I just don’t believe that if defeat is certain, the House leadership will want to see a president utterly humiliated on the House floor in a public vote,” one top aide to the Republican leadership told me. Should the full Senate vote to approve an attack on Syria — as still appears somewhat likely — the battle would shift to the House. “An attempt would be made to let the whole thing go away. I don’t think it would be done to give the GOP any extra leverage in debt-ceiling or budget negotiations — Obama isn’t the grateful type — but simply because the weakness it would demonstrate wouldn’t be good for the country,” the aide told me.

September 6th, 2013, 10:19 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

I’ll give the coordinates, and zouzou can collect all the money for itself, being true secular, shxxt is shxxt to me independent of sect. So here you go

Foreign Jihadis
1. Presidential pallace: big contingent of Iranian Jihadies. Given the size, and their real value, 100,000 per person would be enough

2. Qusair: a contingent of nus-lira jihadi terrorist. Also since they are worthless to their owner nus-lira, 50,000 per terrorist is enough

3. Various locations in Aleppo, Also nus-lira jihadies same price as above, as well as near Sit-Zaynab shrine in Damascus. Big Iraqi terrorist contingent likely . 50,000 per terrorist.

4. Aleppo country side: ISIL and NUSRA, –various nationalities including Iraqis, Tunisian, Chechen, etc… 10,000 per each one. No more is needed. For some leaders, who are agents of the big-terrorist (Code named dog-poop chemical athad) reward should be full. (all for zouzou).

5. Same as above, Raqqa and sorrounding

6. Same as above, Idleb country side

Now if one is looking for foreign cyber terrorists and trolls … hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*Note: condition: In case any of the above is captured, zouzou can only collect after they are handed to the US so that they can be given “humanitarian refugee status” in Guantanamo.

September 6th, 2013, 10:23 am

 

revenire said:

“Lucky 13” votes away from the humiliation of Obama and the victory of Assad.

Uzair General Habib is in Damascus. If not why haven’t the opposition paraded him around?

September 6th, 2013, 10:25 am

 

don said:

Probes from Khan al-Assal show chemicals used in the March 19 attack did not belong to standard Syrian army ammunition, and that the shell carrying the substance was similar to those made by a rebel fighter group, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated.

A statement released by the ministry on Wednesday particularly drew attention to the “massive stove-piping of various information aimed at placing the responsibility for the alleged chemical weapons use in Syria on Damascus, even though the results of the UN investigation have not yet been revealed.”

By such means “the way is being paved for military action” against Damascus, the ministry pointed out.

But the samples taken at the site of the March 19 attack and analyzed by Russian experts indicate that a projectile carrying the deadly nerve agent sarin was most likely fired at Khan al-Assal by the rebels, the ministry statement suggests, outlining the 100-page report handed over to the UN by Russia.

( the rush to bomb before an independent UN team publishes its findings should raise flags even among those who oppose Assad but it did not, we all know why)

September 6th, 2013, 10:25 am

 

don said:

I agree

69. sf94123 said:

I was very skeptical as I was analyzing the victims’ photos and videos- even I wrote about it at that time. Poor Children!! Absolutely, they don’t look like the Ghuta Sunni kids- even their clothes were different. Oh my God! Now we know that they were Alawis kids who have been kidnapped by the terrorists from the Alawi mountains of Lattakia then transported to the countryside of Damascus. Jihadists gassed them and then took photos of them and videos. CRIMINAL, Terrorists, Jihadists, Islamists, THOWRAT KHRA –

September 6th, 2013, 10:31 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

touche, i was waiting for the headless horseman who will pick up on buthaina thu3baan’s hysterics. Great. We now have today’s losers. classy sf and it wouldn’t be completed without DONANN. Lovely couple.

September 6th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

don said:

Vote “YES” on invading Syria against the will of the American people, and you’ll be voted out of office

Syria vote will ripple through 2014 campaigns

On Wednesday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted to approve authorization, over the “no” votes of two possible GOP 2016 presidential candidates, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. Both the full Senate and House are likely to vote on the resolutions next week.

Whatever the outcome of the vote, Syria could be an issue in key Senate races next year, when Republicans hope to wrest six seats away from Democrats and take control of the chamber. “If (a war in Syria) gets complicated, then it could become a problem for everybody,” says Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report.

On all sides, the longer the United States remains engaged in Syria, the bigger a political liability a “yes” vote would become – as did the 2002 Iraq vote.

http://www.kare11.com/news/national/article/1037956/18/Syria-vote-will-ripple-through-2014-campaigns

September 6th, 2013, 10:37 am

 

don said:

73. Ali said:

sf94123

Absolutely correct, the color of their skin and hair in addition to their facial features are so different to the peasants of East-Ghouta. Sunni kids tend to be more darkish brown with dark hair not like Alawis. In addition, it’s not school time in Syria and there’s noway to have these number of kids gathered in one place at the same time in a terrorists occupied area. That’s why they brunet their pure bodies to ashes instead of burying them with respect, they wanted to hide their crime.

The UN team has asked specifically to see some dead animals, but to their surprise there was none. So in summary, there was a CW attack where only kids and women have been killed while nobody else have been affected (except the acting videos) including dogs, cats and plans.

They have kidnapped more Christian kids this time from town of Maaloula, which mean another CW attack is about to happen.

We need an international protection from these terrorists, we need UN investigation.

September 6th, 2013, 10:39 am

 

don said:

76. Ali said:

PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY….

U.S. Hands Off Syria! – No War!

All Out Saturday, Sept. 7, Boston!
Rally at Park St. Station (Tremont & Park Sts.), 1:00 PM

All out to oppose any U.S. attack on Syria! We stand for peace!

September 6th, 2013, 10:41 am

 
 

don said:

79. Ali said:

Hands off Syria! Not another war! September 7 Demonstrations

From: Ramsey Clark former U.S. Attorney General

Let’s make our voices heard BEFORE the U.S. Congressional war vote. All out! Saturday, September 7

Join the call for united, regional and local actions.

In NYC come to Times Square –

42nd St & 7th Ave at 1pm.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/01/hands-off-syria-not-another-war-september-7-demonstrations-2/

September 6th, 2013, 10:43 am

 

don said:

80. Ghufran said:

نشرت إحدى التنظيمات الإرهابية المقربة من تنظيم القاعدة، فيديو يظهر فيه الشيخ “بدر غزال” أحد مشايخ الطائفة العلوية في سوريا، جالساً على الأرض ومحاطاً بعدد من العناصر الإرهابية، ويقوم أحدهم بالتحقيق معه حول “عقيدة الطّائفة العلوية”.
الفيديو يُظهر أن الشخص الذي يقوم بالتحقيق مع الشيخ يتحدّث اللغة العربية الفصحة، ولكنته من منطقة الخليج العربي، حيث جرى التركيز في الأسئلة على طبيعة العبادة والعقيدة في الطائفة العلوية، وأكد الشيخ بدر غزال أن أبناء الطائفة العلوية يعتبرون الإمام علي بن أبي طالب وسيلة في التقرب من الله بعد الرسول الكريم محمد “ص”
الشيخ “غزال” كان يظهر عليه الإرهاق وآثار التعذيب الذي تعرّض له قبل أن تقوم العناصر التكفيرية بقتله.
(طز فيكم و بهل ثوره تبعكم)

Terrorists in reef Latakia and reef dimashq are preparing for another attack with Turkish support in the north and ksa- Jordanian support in the south but this new adventure will not be the same as the last one, the type of attack Obama seems to be pushing for will only strengthen the regime and increase blood shed, obama does not have support for a wider war and he is simply defending his ego not the interests of the USA, that is why he will either deliver a halfhearted strike or starts another war and be remembered as GW Bush II and take this country into another Iraq war or worse, I still think he will choose the first option but that choice will be risky too.

this is not about Assad any more , and calling the attack, as aljazeera and alarabiya are doing now, a war on Assad will only fool those who want to be fooled.

September 6th, 2013, 10:45 am

 

don said:

81. Ali said:

Reuters: Protesters against U.S. military intervention cry “Hands off Syria” internationally

http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/08/31/protesters-against-us-military-intervent?videoId=263175079&videoChannel=1

September 6th, 2013, 10:47 am

 

revenire said:

BIG NEWS FROM THE G20 – PUTIN “WILL WE HELP SYRIA? WE WILL.”
OBAMA DONE FOR

Putin: Syria chemical attack is ‘rebels’ provocation in hope of intervention’

The alleged chemical weapons use in Syria is a provocation carried out by the rebels to attract a foreign-led strike, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the G20 summit.

There was no 50/50 split of opinion on the notion of a military strike against the Syrian President Bashar Assad, Putin stressed refuting earlier assumptions.

Only Turkey, Canada, Saudi Arabia and France joined the US push for intervention, he said, adding that the UK Prime Minister’s position was not supported by his citizens.

Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa and Italy were among the major world’s economies clearly opposed to military intervention.

President Putin said the G20 nations spent the “entire” Thursday evening discussing the Syrian crisis, which was followed by Putin’s bilateral meeting with UK Prime Minister David Cameron that lasted till 3am Moscow time.

Russia “will help Syria” in the event of a military strike, Putin stressed as he responded to a reporter’s question at the summit.

“Will we help Syria? We will. And we are already helping, we send arms, we cooperate in the economics sphere, we hope to expand our cooperation in the humanitarian sphere, which includes sending humanitarian aid to support those people – the civilians – who have found themselves in a very dire situation in this country,” Putin said.

http://rt.com/news/putin-g20-syria-meeting-511/

September 6th, 2013, 10:49 am

 

don said:

83. Ali said:

U.S. Hands Off Syria! – No War!

US Vs Syria-No War: For Once, The Might Of The People Have Stalled The War Mongers!

http://www.carbonated.tv/news/us-vs-syriano-war-for-once-the-might-of-the-people-have-stalled-the-war-mongers

84. Ali said:

U.S. Hands Off Syria! – No War!

“Protesters take to the streets around the world to march against U.S. military strikes”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408320/Protesters-streets-world-march-U-S-military-strikes–gather-support-Obamas-action.html

September 6th, 2013, 10:50 am

 

don said:

Allen West Rails On Obama’s Approach To Syria

Former Florida Rep. Allen West (R) took to Facebook once again on Wednesday to criticize President Barack Obama’s approach to a possible military strike in Syria.

“As a leader, he did nothing for all these months and now wants to enjoin everyone in his abject failure and abdication of accountability,” West wrote on his Facebook page. “I am not buying into Obama’s weak attempt of guilt-tripping us.”

West asked Obama to recall the outcome of unilateral action in Libya, and said that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D), former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and current Secretary of State John Kerry all “sat with and praised” Syrian President Bashar Assad within the last six years, but now “want to blow him up.”

Less than a week ago, West took to Facebook to criticize Obama for his “strategic incompetence.”

“A year ago President Obama fired off his mouth,” he said, “and now he wants to fire off missiles.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/allen-west-obama-syria_n_3870105.html

September 6th, 2013, 10:52 am

 

don said:

RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

“I think the Islamic rebels winning is a bad idea for the Christians, and all of a sudden we’ll have another Islamic state where Christians are persecuted,” Paul said.

September 6th, 2013, 10:53 am

 

don said:

88. Ali said:

Hands Off Syria – Take action in LA against U.S. intervention!

IN LA, THIS PROTEST IS SCHEDULED FOR THE DAY OF THE U.S. ATTACK. THE DAY OF THE ATTACK, BE AT CITY HALL (WEST STEPS) AT 5:30PM N. Spring St

PLEASE SEE THIS ACTION FOR SATURDAY’S PROTEST: http://www.answercoalition.org/la/events/la-rally.html

September 6th, 2013, 10:54 am

 

don said:

Grayson’s Opposition

Representative Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, is trying to harness public opposition to Obama’s request through a website his campaign created,

http://www.dontattacksyria.com <<=== Please VOTE here

He said 25,000 people in 48 hours signed a petition against military intervention. It’s at 59,812 votes so far.

“We needed a way to call the attention of open-minded House members,” he said in an interview.

September 6th, 2013, 10:57 am

 

don said:

Allen West to Congress: Don’t Let Obama Make You a Scapegoat for Syria (video)

http://townhall.com/video/allen-west-to-congress-dont-let-obama-make-you-a-scapegoat-for-syria-n1689574

September 6th, 2013, 10:59 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Seems like DONANN has been kicked out from the “cesspool” sites it used t o siphon content from. Most likely for excessive violations of the “copy rights” of the retarded anti-imperialist “thinkers”. Neat. Now we have DONAAN recycling local manure.

September 6th, 2013, 11:01 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Slow down DON..slow down..LOL!

DON’s fired up today!

What’s Radio RagimeLand (RL) been broadcasting today I wonder?

September 6th, 2013, 11:02 am

 

revenire said:

Support for US attack in the Congress has crumbled.

LOL

September 6th, 2013, 11:02 am

 

revenire said:

How Intelligence Was Twisted to Support an Attack on Syria

Secretary of State John Kerry assured the public that the Obama administration’s summary of the intelligence on which it is basing the case for military action to punish the Assad regime for an alleged use of chemical weapons was put together with an acute awareness of the fiasco of the 2002 Iraq WMD intelligence estimate.
Nevertheless, the unclassified summary of the intelligence assessment made public August 30, 2013, utilizes misleading language evocative of the infamous Iraq estimate’s deceptive phrasing. The summary cites signals, geospatial and human source intelligence that purportedly show that the Syrian government prepared, carried out and “confirmed” a chemical weapons attack on August 21. And it claims visual evidence “consistent with” a nerve gas attack.
But a careful examination of those claims reveals a series of convolutedly worded characterizations of the intelligence that don’t really mean what they appear to say at first glance.
The document displays multiple indications that the integrity of the assessment process was seriously compromised by using language that distorted the intelligence in ways that would justify an attack on Syria.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

September 6th, 2013, 11:06 am

 

Hopeful said:

#52 Don

Why hasn’t the Syrian government of state TV eulogized or talked about these victims like it usually does with other supposed victims of the terrorists?

September 6th, 2013, 11:07 am

 

don said:

“Diplomacy is the Best Way to Intervene in Syria,” By Max Weiss
Posted by Joshua on Wednesday, September 4th, 2013

Diplomacy is the Best Way to Intervene in Syria
By Max Weiss – Princeton University

“Every time the Syrians mourn a martyr another martyr falls, and that’s the way funerals drag along behind them…more funerals.” So wrote Samar Yazbek in her diaries of the Syrian revolution that I translated from the Arabic.

The specter of greater violence and even more funerals now looms on the Syrian horizon.

Following the massacre of over 1,000 Syrians in an alleged chemical weapons attack, which crossed a “red line” uttered by President Obama last year, our country is now hurtling towards a military campaign against Damascus, ostensibly to punish President Bashar al-Assad.

“We cannot raise our children in a world where we will not follow through on the things we say, the accords we sign, the values that define us,” Obama declared, announcing that he would deign to seek congressional support for armed action in Syria.

However, Mr. Obama is finding it hard to justify intervention.

The White House might summon the responsibility to protect (R2P), an emerging doctrine meant to guide the ethical conduct of states and international institutions, as a justification for intervention. The elephant in the room is that the first 100,000 lives lost to bullets and non-chemical attacks did not seem to activate the moral sensors of the R2P crowd. The nature of the weapons involved—be that chemical or biological, nuclear or conventional—should have no bearing whatsoever on the responsibility of the international community.

They could cite humanitarian suffering as a justification for intervention, but the United States and its allies have consistently lacked the political will to mitigate the humanitarian catastrophe inside Syria as well as among the
mushrooming refugee populations in Jordan, Iraq, Turkey and Lebanon. Given the deterioration of the security situation inside the country and the constantly shifting battleground, non-lethal aid has had a notoriously difficult time finding its way into the hands of those who need it most.

In June of this year, the White House rolled out $300 million in humanitarian assistance on top of $515 million that had already been committed, which sounds like a lot of money. But assuming a conservative estimate of over one and a half million refugees scattered around the region, and as many as 4 million people internally displaced, even if the entire $815 million were doled out in a single year and miraculously made it inside Syria, with no overhead costs, this would work out to $148/refugee. But the displacement crisis is years old now, and on the brink of spiraling out of control: the true assistance is probably closer to $40-50/refugee. In response to the UNHCR’s appeal for $4.4 billion, the largest in the organization’s history, the Obama administration responded by offering to take in 2,000 of the more than 5 million displaced.

So what justification for intervention is left?

For lack of a compelling legal, moral or humanitarian argument, the U.S. administration seems to be ramping up for what might be called Operation Save Face. Obama wants to drop bombs because he once said he would. Such a callous calculus is hardly grounds for a just and viable Middle East policy.

Key figures in the Syrian opposition abroad and inside the country reject negotiations with the regime; they want al-Assad’s head on a pike. Yet there is good reason to believe that military escalation in Syria will likely only result in further military escalation in Syria. Bashar al-Assad is unlikely to respond without a credible threat, but a stick-heavy approach devoid of carrots is a policy bound to fail.

The best course of action for the United States in Syria remains aggressive diplomacy and a more robust commitment to humanitarian assistance.

To begin with, U.S. diplomats and government representatives must live up to their titles and redouble their efforts to unclog sclerotic diplomatic channels. We could urge Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to stop fanning the flames by arming various rebel groups. We could make every effort to ensure that the upcoming Geneva peace talks do not fail. We could throw our weight behind the Friends of Syria initiative that is set to reconvene in Paris soon. Obama should set aside his dispute with President Vladimir Putin over Edward Snowden and demand a sit-down to resume discussion on this burning issue. Moreover, the election of moderate Iranian president Hassan Rouhani and U.S diplomat Jeffrey Feltman’s recent visit to Tehran represent an opportunity to improve U.S.-Iranian relations that must not be squandered. Unless the White House immediately builds upon these developments, then U.S. diplomacy is once again consigned to enabling militancy rather than defusing conflict.

“Just longing for peace does not necessarily bring it about,” Secretary of State John Kerry concluded in his recent remarks on the crisis in Syria. Through Kerry, the Obama administration affirmed its commitment to “a diplomatic process that can resolve” the conflict “through negotiation.” If diplomacy is the ultimate goal, how does a limited bombing campaign advertised well in advance work in the service of such a negotiated solution?

The Obama administration has made clear once again that the “values that define us” include unilateralism and punitive foreign policy—in other words, vigilantism and thuggery.

If the Obama administration remains loath to actively engage the diplomatic front with the same tenacity it seems to be pursuing military action, then we ought to drop the charade that the Syria crisis has escalated over a concern to protect the Syrian people and acknowledge that this is a policy of machismo: we said we would use our stick, and now we must prove to the world that we can.

*Max Weiss is assistant professor of History and Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University.

LINK WAS CENSORED BY SYRIA COMMENT

September 6th, 2013, 11:14 am

 

Uzair8 said:

“They kidnapped children and men from the villages of Latakia and they brought them here put them in one place and used chemical weapons against them.”

BS

September 6th, 2013, 11:27 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Listening to President Obama,I believe he made up his mind,unless Assad agrees to leave, If Assad gave up CW and signed to join anti chemical ban,that would not be enough, Obama will make the case for strike on tuesday as he will address the nation

September 6th, 2013, 11:35 am

 

Alan said:

BREAKING: Russia will help #Syria in case of foreign military assault – Putin
http://rt.com/news/syria-crisis-live-updates-047/
******
memo to Max Weiss @70.
/ Diplomacy is the Best Way to Intervene in Syria / Princeton University
Mr Max!
Your articles look without access to intelligence data of the Russian Federation and the United States of America gaunt and without any benefit!I advise you to dive more beyond the known masses

September 6th, 2013, 11:36 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our most distinguished, well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following heads up marked by them as of extremely high importance.

Mr. Obama made his speech. He sounded resolute, determined and stronger than ever. He clearly stated that the UNSC no longer is a priority for his stated objective. He also seems to have a clearer vision as to what should be accomplished in Syria by the coalition of the willing against criminal pervert, CWACP for short.

On the other hand, Putin seemed completely lost repeating his oft-repeated tirades about the so-called legality of the defunct UNSC, due to his own incompetence no doubt. Regarding the question he was asked about expected Russian support to Criminal Pervert once attacked, and whether Putin will come to the defense of his criminal comrade, Putin sounded timid and resorted to all sorts of obfuscations and convoluted arguments about the support Russia is already providing, but he emphatically stated that Criminal Pervert’s war is NOT Russia’s war. Putin seems to be content to continue to sell weapons for future Syrian governments, thus confirming the expected sell-out of criminal pervert in the end of the day, and providing so-called humanitarian aid (often poisoned with some forms of strings attached) to the civilian population that he never cared about for the last two years and a half.

September 6th, 2013, 11:40 am

 

apple_mini said:

It seems a quiet day. No major news or development. But underneath current is reversing.

Just several days ago Obama and Kerry made a momentum to push for military strike with the help of those top brass law makers. It is dissipating fast. Overwhelmingly people express their repulsion for another war no matter how the administration has been tailoring it. Congressman who supports the resolution is facing warning from their constituents.

As we have guessed Obama is still not liked on the other side of political arena. I have confidence to predict the house will NOT pass it.

Whether Obama will still go for the strike without congressional approval, it is his call.

Those Syrian expats who are calling for strike. I challenge you to put a sign in your front yard to express your support for military operation as a Syrian.

September 6th, 2013, 11:51 am

 

sf94123 said:

Criminals, Jihadists, Islamists and Fanatics in Syria with the support of Muslim Brotherhoods are doing what Muslim jihadists used to do 1400 years ago- They viciously attack and terrorize peaceful communities in the name of Allah (they liberated them from the infidels). Today they use pickups and machine guns instead of horses and swords. They go inside a community, slaughter, kidnap, rape and kill innocent women, men and children to please their twisted mind ALLAH – MR. MCCAIN: SHOUTING ‘ALLAHU AKHBAR!’ is not the SAME AS CHRISTIANS SHOUTING ‘THANK GOD!’ Just keep playing poker! – Thanks God you are not the president of the United States of America.

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/jabhat-al-nusra-and-other-islamists-briefly-capture-historic-christian-town-of-maloula/?cp=2#comments

September 6th, 2013, 11:56 am

 

Alan said:

After launching a war low intensity for two years and a half of the lineup global Formatted led by the United States, Israel and some European countries and the Arab Gulf states and Turkey, with the participation of all the radical guys and attack fierce on the Syrian Arab Republic and the financing of financial supernatural by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and military aggression launched by Israel on the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic . After all this aggression cup-reader comes from America to prefer a peaceful solution!
If speech is silver , the silence is gold!

September 6th, 2013, 11:56 am

 

Rancher said:

When Obama loses this he’s done. So are many who vote for this. The big question is will he go ahead anyway? That will surely drag under many of his supporters in 2014.

I wish we would help the Kurds, they seem to be the best use of our resources. The least we can do is help the tens of thousand refugees in Kurdish Iraq. The money can be pretty assured to go toward relief which can’t be said of any funds or supplies going into Syria.

Israel will attack Iran sooner or later, it can’t allow Iran to get nukes. This war is cumming whether we attack Assad or not.

September 6th, 2013, 12:08 pm

 
 

Alan said:

Some here raises the subject of the Kurds! He believes they are illiterate! Kurds will be the fiercest enemies of the collapsed States of America!!!

September 6th, 2013, 12:14 pm

 

revenire said:

I think any elected who votes for this stands a great chance of losing the 2014 election.

September 6th, 2013, 12:16 pm

 
 

zoo said:

#81 Revenire

That’s why Hillary and usually passionate Bill remain silent…

September 6th, 2013, 12:35 pm

 

revenire said:

The remaining filth has been cleaned out of Ghota. Congratulations to the heroes of the SAA and President Assad!

Syrian Army Controls Der Salman in East Ghota Amid Clashes in Homs, Daraa

The Syrian news agency SANA confirmed that units of the national army restored security and stability to the Der Salman town of East Ghota in Rural Damascus on Friday, after the army stormed the town this morning.

A military source said an army unit active in Homs arrested “members of an armed terrorist group coming from Iraq,” as the army continued “chasing terrorists in the neighborhoods of Al-Qarabis and Qosoor, as well as in the towns of Khalidiya and al-Dar al-Kabira, leaving a number of them killed or injured.

The source told SANA that terrorists have targeted with rocket-propelled grenades big Homs hospital in the al-Wae’r neighborhood, which led to serious material damage to the place.

The army also targeted ” gatherings and strongholds of terrorists in al-Sa’n and Hosh al-Shabbout in Homs countryside and Rastan, killing many of them and destroying a number of their vehicles including.

An official source told SANA correspondent that “other army units targeted a number of terrorists’ communities east of engineers’ building and near the Zawiya Mosque in Bab Hood neighborhood , in the vicinity of the Al-Qarabis National Hospital, killing a number of them and destroying their crime tools.

The source pointed out that the Engineering troops dismantled two explosive devices weighing 30 kg each, primed to explode remotely and planted in bags inside the cemetery of Al-Meshrefa village east of Homs.

In Daraa city and its countryside, army units destroyed arms and ammunition depots and hideouts of militants.

A military source told SANA that “army units have left large numbers of dead and wounded terrorists in the city, and destroyed their arms and ammunition depots, in addition to a number of their communities and their hideouts.”

The Syrian army launched a wide-scale military operation to clear the country of al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front terrorist militiamen active in the state.

Syria was hit by a violent unrest since mid-March 2011, where the Syrian government accuses foreign actors of orchestrating the conflict by supporting the militant opposition groups with arms and money.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=109382&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=20&s1=1

September 6th, 2013, 12:36 pm

 

revenire said:

The American people are ENRAGED that this war criminal Obama dares to use the US military to support Al-Qaeda.

September 6th, 2013, 12:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Heads up

“Just so you may know, our most distinguished, well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following heads up marked by them as of extremely high importance.

Obama speech was a disaster, he totally lost any chance of getting other that the usual “ex” and “future” colonialist countries on his side.

Obama seems to be content to continue to sell (offer) weapons for present and future Israeli governments

Putin was firm and defiant while Obama looked like a smart kid who got himself in deep trouble.

The Congress may either vote NO or cancel the vote and ask for another resolution, one of negotiations.
End of chapter.

September 6th, 2013, 12:44 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Al said “You’re a respectable real Syrian, thanks to all Sunnis similar to you”

Just for the record, I am not Muslim.. I care less about all religious!

September 6th, 2013, 12:45 pm

 

Alan said:

SPASIBO Mr Putin !
http://youtu.be/ftdO71cdRRg?t=1s
http://inotv.rt.com/2013-09-06/Putinu-hvataet-muzhestva-zadavat-neudobnie
******
Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov.
In all this the action of the main purpose of the West – is not Syria. Syria – it’s just an obstacle that must be removed. A goal – Russia and China.

September 6th, 2013, 12:48 pm

 

revenire said:

Just in…

No real surprises here EXCEPT Matt Barber, Joshua Landis and other writers at Syria Comment have cited the Institute for the Study of War’s propaganda as source material without divulging the fact that O’Bagy is on the payroll of the “opposition”.

Shame on Syria Comment for not doing due diligence on their sources.

=====================

Woman informing Kerry, McCain’s opinions on Syria also an advocate for Syrian rebels, Scholar cited by Kerry and McCain as authority on Syrian rebels is actually paid by Syrian rebels

The woman whose opinion lawmakers are relying on to go to war in Syria is also a paid advocate for the war-torn country’s rebels.

On Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry encouraged members of the House of Representatives to read a Wall Street Journal op-ed by 26-year-old Elizabeth O’Bagy — an analyst with the Institute for the Study of War — who asserted that concerns about extremists dominating among the Syrian rebels are unfounded.

“Contrary to many media accounts, the war in Syria is not being waged entirely, or even predominantly, by dangerous Islamists and al-Qaida die-hards,” O’Bagy wrote for the Journal on Aug. 30. “Moderate opposition groups make up the majority of actual fighting forces,” she wrote.

Scholar cited by Kerry and McCain as authority on Syrian rebels is actually paid by Syrian rebels; Woman informing Kerry, McCain’s opinions on Syria also an advocate for Syrian rebels

The woman whose opinion lawmakers are relying on to go to war in Syria is also a paid advocate for the war-torn country’s rebels.

But in addition to her work for the Institute for the Study of War, O’Bagy is also the political director for the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), a group that advocates within the United States for Syria’s rebels — a fact that the Journal did not disclose in O’Bagy’s piece.

In an interview with The Daily Caller, O’Bagy said that despite her title as the group’s political director, she is paid as a contractor.

She insisted that she is not involved in the political lobbying that SETF does. “They kind of have two departments within the Task Force — one focused on working with the government on the Hill on advocacy and then the other working inside Syria and directly implementing government contracts,” she said.

O’Bagy’s relationship with SETF is a serious conflict of interest, according to David Reaboi, vice president for strategic communications at the Center for Security Policy.

“While there’s been a lot of worthwhile effort to expose activists considered pro-Assad or pro-Hezbollah — or, at least, to consider their analysis as coming from an interested party — O’Bagy seems to pass herself off as an impartial observer of the situation. Her access to Congress, intelligence services and to think tanks should be regarded as what it really is, which is a reflection of the Syrian rebels’ cause and aspirations,” Reaboi said.

In speaking with TheDC, O’Bagy regularly insisted that she was not a salaried employee of SETF, but a paid contractor acting in an advisory role.

“I’m the political director and aid coordinator, and that’s my official title at the organization, but that’s mostly because it provides me an opportunity to engage on humanitarian issues and to be a part of some of these larger government contracts going to humanitarian aid,” O’Bagy said.

The Foreign Policy news site reported in June that SETF “boasts extensive contacts with rebel commanders” and “spent months lobbying Congress, the State Department and the White House for everything from small arms to anti-tank and and anti-aircraft weapons to body armor to advanced communications equipment for the rebels.”

O’Bagy is quoted in the Foreign Policy piece saying that the Obama administration’s June decision to openly arm Syrian rebels didn’t go far enough. ”Small arms and ammunition really only get you so far against airplanes,” she said then.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/woman-informing-kerry-mccains-opinions-on-syria-also-an-advocate-for-syrian-rebels/

September 6th, 2013, 12:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
If you borrow someone else brain, you will realize that if the strike was successful,those who voted for it will have more chance to win re election

September 6th, 2013, 12:53 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our most distinguished, well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following heads up marked by them as of extremely high importance.

The defense ministers of the EU, meeting in Vilnius, Lithuania, just agreed on important resolutions with regards to the use of banned CW’s by the Criminal Pervert who goes by A.K.A. B. Al-Assad.

The ministers condemned Criminal Pervert for his most recent crime against humanity which crowned his long and lustred career of continued murders and slaughters of innocent Syrian people. The ministers called for full accountability measures to be enforced against Criminal Pervert Inc. They further called upon the international community to show unwavering resolve in confronting Criminal Pervert, apprehending him and bringing him to justice.

On the other hand, British media came out today with a flurry of articles all stressing the importance of military action against Criminal Pervert as the only way forward to deal with the situation. It looks like the British public opinion has been misgauged by the parliamentarians who clearly betrayed traditional British values that are clearly being violated by the recent developments and the capitulation of the British Parliament to Crimes Unlimited, a clear black mark on the record of this institution that will take quite sometime to erase.

September 6th, 2013, 1:01 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Elizabeth O’Bagy was cornered by Fox news yesterday- They unmasked her live- She is an opportunist- Sold her soul for few bucks !

September 6th, 2013, 1:02 pm

 

Tara said:

I called Senator McCain office today and I expressed my great appreciation on behalf of Syrian Americans to his effort saving Syrian children.

September 6th, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

revenire said:

I’ve always been disgusted with the 26 year old O’Bagy. The ISW reports are full of glaring holes.

September 6th, 2013, 1:04 pm

 

revenire said:

I called Senator McCain’s office today to express great disgust, on behalf of all Syrian-Americans, for his rapacious efforts to murder Syrian children.

September 6th, 2013, 1:05 pm

 

zoo said:

#78 Rancher

“When Obama loses this he’s done. So are many who vote for this. The big question is will he go ahead anyway? That will surely drag under many of his supporters in 2014”

Obama would have lost, I think he will be “winning”. The American people will love and respect him more to have allowed them to give their opinion, when he could have just bypassed them.

I have repeated that I think Obama secretly wants the Congress to say NO, because while he is saying that ‘justice’ must be done, he is not at all convinced that a military strikes will do that. The plan he presented look so improvised and wishy-washy that it seems to be designed to be unconvincing.

He was certainly pressed by the warmongers ( France, UK, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey) to react fast, without thinking too much. Well he managed not to act so fast. Yet he could not get an alternative resolution in the short time after UK backed off.
To buy time, he threw the warmongers plan to the Congress, while he is working on developing a diplomatic plan B.

I still think that the plan B involves first the neutralization of the chemical weapons, not militarily as this is impossible, but through a diplomatic deal where Russia would play a role, second forcing the opposition to go to Geneva.
well, all this maybe wishful thinking..

September 6th, 2013, 1:07 pm

 

zoo said:

#94 Reve

Why doesn’t any one ask Elizabeth O’Bagy how much money she is paid as ‘a contractor’ and who is paying her, Saudi Arabia, Qatar of Israel?

Another opportunistic oily sandals licker…

September 6th, 2013, 1:15 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
I called senator McCain office they said they have not received your message

September 6th, 2013, 1:17 pm

 

Alan said:

McCain has not received Vietnamese message until they broke his both hands and bones!

September 6th, 2013, 1:24 pm

 

zoo said:

Hollande backs off.
He will now wait for the UN report and the Congress, despite having repeated that France has all the proofs that Bashar did it and he was going to show them at the G20 meeting.
Obviously the proofs were so weak that he decided he wouldn’t want to ridicule himself

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2013/09/06/2669205/france-urges-eu-to-be-united-on.html

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — French President Francois Hollande said Friday he will wait for the U.N. inspectors’ report on their investigation of a chemical weapons attack in Syria before deciding whether to intervene militarily.

That means even further delay in potential international armed action against Syrian President Bashar Assad’s military. France and the United States are preparing possible strikes, saying they have convincing evidence that Assad’s regime launched the Aug. 21 attack.

France, which firmly backs the Syrian rebels and has strategic and historic interest in the region, had been ready to act last week but held off when President Barack Obama declared he would consult Congress first.

Hollande told reporters at a Group of 20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russia, on Friday: “Yes, we will wait for the inspectors’ report, as we will wait for the Congress vote.”

It was the first time Hollande said he would wait for the U.N. report.

Read more here: http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2013/09/06/2669205/france-urges-eu-to-be-united-on.html#storylink=cpy

September 6th, 2013, 1:27 pm

 

zoo said:

98. majedkhaldoun

Do you know Revenire’s real name to check if Mccain received his message or not?
Has he received other commenters message?

September 6th, 2013, 1:30 pm

 

revenire said:

I always wanted to be a bounty hunter. $4000 seems a little skimpy but the emotional rewards seem high.

Syria’s govt offers bounty for “non-Syrian terrorists”

The Syrian government has announced that it is offering a bounty to anyone who captures a “non-Syrian terrorist”, or helps to apprehend one, state television said. A bounty of 500,000 Syrian pounds (roughly $4,000) will be offered for capture, while 200,000 pounds (about $1,500) goes to anyone who gives information regarding terrorist locations. The statement said the identities of those who provided information would be kept secret and their “protection ensured”. Concerning Syrian rebels who informed on their comrades, state television added, that they would be granted amnesty and “their affairs will be settled.” The ongoing Syrian civil war started two and a half years ago and has already cost over 100,000 lives, according to UN estimates.

September 6th, 2013, 1:32 pm

 

Alan said:

@Zinvor
Those Americans who vote FOR war on #Syria serve Israel’s national interests & those who vote AGAINST it serve America’s national interests.

September 6th, 2013, 1:36 pm

 

revenire said:

Just got off the phone with ISW about O’Bagy to see if they had a comment to the press on her being on the insurgent payroll.

I’ve never talked about this here but I do a little press work myself.

🙂

Details on their reply will be published.

🙂 🙂

September 6th, 2013, 1:36 pm

 

zoo said:

Al-Qaeda Demands Congress Pass Obama’s Syrian War Resolution

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/09/al-qaeda-demands-congress-pass-obamas-syrian-war-resolution-2754700.html

Below is a statement by Jamal Ahmed al-Tahiri, the spokesman for Al-Qaeda in Damascus (AQD), demanding that Congress pass President Obama’s Syrian War Resolution.

In the Name of Allah the Merciful, America the Accursed, Aslam O’ Alikum,

Very rarely in history do states go to war for moral reasons and higher values of civilization as opposed to the safeguarding of national interests, or national defense.

In our day, humanity is confronted with crimes and injustices that are committed by intolerable dictators, as well as the indiscriminate use of weapons of mass destruction by rogue regimes.

In Syria, Bashar the dog has transgressed against the moral laws of mankind, the divine laws of God Almighty, and basic international norms. In the face of this reality, America has decided to act, not for its own selfish reasons and petty national interests, but to defend the values, interests, and laws of a new global civilization. America is acting against Assad to uphold the basic rules of law on the international stage.

Al-Qaeda in Damascus respects this decisive and courageous step taken by America. We see in Washington a light that can illuminate Syria in our darkest night.

September 6th, 2013, 1:36 pm

 

revenire said:

Brother Majed calm yourself. God watches over the great president of Syria and his army.

Victory is near.

September 6th, 2013, 1:38 pm

 

Tara said:

Almost everyone knows Revenire name. He is a public figure.

September 6th, 2013, 1:38 pm

 

zoo said:

98 Majed

I didn’t know you had an assistant secretary on SC.
Congrats!

September 6th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
What victory?
Is getting hit hard ,is it victory, I told you you need to borrow a brain

September 6th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you have no idea who I am, where I am or what I am. Go back to licking Obama’s boots for an attack on Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 1:52 pm

 

Alan said:

Russian members of Parliament “regret” refusal of US congress to discuss in DC Syria chem weapons. Say it proves weakness of US position. 🙂

September 6th, 2013, 1:52 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed today the army has killed 387 terrorists so far – only 7 SAA soldiers have died, 34 wounded.

I don’t see any attack. I see a desperate Majed crying for someone to murder Syrian women and children on an Internet forum.

September 6th, 2013, 1:53 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
Take care of Revenir well as obviously you are his secretary now, get him a brain

September 6th, 2013, 1:54 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed

You seem to be convinced that even if the Congress says Yes, Obama won’t do it ( “its not in his nature”).
It seems now that France won’t do it either before the UN report.
Whats your next prediction?

September 6th, 2013, 1:55 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed my friends in Air Force Intelligence asked me to ask you when the attack is coming.

September 6th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed is going to predict the sun will rise tomorrow. Everyone pay attention.

September 6th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
you are desperately in need of a brain

Assad is hiding in sewage tube,his thugs are losing,Your Assad needs Axiron, you need M.o M.

September 6th, 2013, 2:01 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Majed

Reve takes well care of himself, he does not need any help at all.
I can’t say the same about you.

I worry that, in despair, you stop taking your aspirin that you have been advised to take. Why don’t you take comfort with people who share you anxiety on SC and keep calling McCain, if that helps.

September 6th, 2013, 2:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed lay off the Captagon – you’re hallucinating.

September 6th, 2013, 2:03 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Reve,

You know I do.

But do not worry. Zoo asked me to close that subject and I abided.

And I genuinely believe you are entitle to your opinion.

September 6th, 2013, 2:06 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
The strike will be loud,Assad will come out deaf,will not be able to hear anymore, you see the bombing sounds will have echo inside the sewage tube
Also he will be cross eyed
I told you ,you need it

September 6th, 2013, 2:07 pm

 

ghufran said:

Again, Ali Habib is in Tartous:
محافظة طرطوس – المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان:: أكدت مصادر موثوقة للمرصد السوري، ان العماد علي حبيب وزير الدفاع السوري الأسبق متواجد، في منزله بأحد أقضية محافظة طرطوس.
sorry if I busted anybody’s bubble

September 6th, 2013, 2:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Another delay? Bandar ben Sultan should organize the next ‘chemical weapon attack’ urgently. He is loosing the momentum of the first one

Russia demands IAEA to declare risks of military strike against Syria on nuke safety
06/09/2013

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2332183&Language=en

VIENNA, Sept 6 (KUNA) — The Russian Federation has asked the International Atomic Energy Agency to reveal negative consequences of any military action against Syria.
“In order to prevent further negative scenarios, we urge the IAEA Secretariat to react without further delay to the current situation and to provide member states with full analyses of risk associated with possible American strikes on the Miniature Neutron Source Reactor (MNSR), near Damascus, ” Valdimir Voronkov, Russia’s resident representative at IAEA, said in a letter to IAEA Secretary General Yukiya Amano.
Russia warned that any strike on Damascus could have catastrophic consequence on nuclear nonproliferation.
“In light of aggravation of the situation around Syria of particular concern is the possibility that a military action against this country may affect the sites sensitive from the point of view of nuclear safety, security and nuclear nonproliferation,” Voronko wrote.
“Thus, if a bomb deliberately or inadvertently hits the Miniature Neutron Source Reactor (MNSR) near Damascus the consequences could be catastrophic.” (end) amg.ibi KUNA 062100 Sep 13NNNN

September 6th, 2013, 2:09 pm

 

Tara said:

Finally at last!! …. I got the Aspirin massage through.

At least that was worth the trip,

September 6th, 2013, 2:11 pm

 

zoo said:

“72 percent of respondents.. said their country should stay out of Syria”,

Majority of Turks against Syria intervention: Survey
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/majority-of-turks-against-syria-intervention-survey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=53995&NewsCatID=341

A majority of Turks disapprove of any potential military intervention in Syria, much like their European and American counterparts, a survey has revealed.

In Turkey, 72 percent of respondents to the Transatlantic Trends 2013 survey, which was conducted by the German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF), said their country should stay out of Syria, up 15 percentage points from last year, while only 21 percent – down 11 percentage points – favored intervention.

September 6th, 2013, 2:12 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you have no idea who I am. You have no access to people’s IP addresses so how could you know?

?

Your troll game is to look for the emotional response from posters you disagree with. I have seen it dozens of times with dozens of posters.

I think you’re a reprehensible human being calling for Syrian babies to be murdered. You’re totally amoral and a liar to boot. I don’t care what you say about me.

September 6th, 2013, 2:13 pm

 

don said:

Obama/McCain/NATO death squads execute 7 Syrian soldiers

Graphic video footage of OBAMA/McCain/NATO death squads shooting and burying Syrian soldiers.

http://www.nytimes.com/video/2013/09/05/multimedia/100000002421671/syrian-rebels-execute-7-soldiers.html#100000002421671

September 6th, 2013, 2:14 pm

 

zoo said:

@124 Ghufran

Does this Ali Habib has the gift of ubiquity, he has a double or the opposition continue to lie and lie in despair ?

Defecting former Syrian defense minister reaches Istanbul: Sources

Bashar al-Assad’s former defense minister has reached Istanbul after a defection that betrays cracks in the president’s support among his own Alawite sect, opposition and diplomatic sources said on Sept. 5.

“My information, based on a trusted Western source, is that he is in Istanbul,” veteran dissident Kamal al-Labwani, now based in Paris, told Reuters on Sept. 5. “Habib exited with Western intelligence involvement, so do not expect public statements by security operatives on his whereabouts.”

September 6th, 2013, 2:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
you can use mebendezol(vermox),if you are in a hurry to know

September 6th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

revenire said:

The idea Ali Habib defected with chemical weapons proof was always ridiculous. The people spreading this foolishness look even more stupid than before – if that’s possible.

Just go look up “Curveball” and Iraq and see the reason the story was spread.

September 6th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

don said:

Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in West
By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: September 5, 2013

The Syrian rebels posed casually, standing over their prisoners with firearms pointed down at the shirtless and terrified men.

The prisoners, seven in all, were captured Syrian soldiers. Five were trussed, their backs marked with red welts. They kept their faces pressed to the dirt as the rebels’ commander recited a bitter revolutionary verse.

“For fifty years, they are companions to corruption,” he said. “We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge.”

The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as “the Uncle,” fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoner’s head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.

This scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow.

As the United States debates whether to support the Obama administration’s proposal that Syrian forces should be attacked for using chemical weapons against civilians, this video, shot in the spring of 2012, joins a growing body of evidence of an increasingly criminal environment populated by gangs of highwaymen, kidnappers and killers.

The video also offers a reminder of the foreign policy puzzle the United States faces in finding rebel allies as some members of Congress, including Senator John McCain, press for more robust military support for the opposition.

In the more than two years this civil war has carried on, a large part of the Syrian opposition has formed a loose command structure that has found support from several Arab nations, and, to a more limited degree, the West. Other elements of the opposition have assumed an extremist cast, and openly allied with Al Qaeda.

Across much of Syria, where rebels with Western support live and fight, areas outside of government influence have evolved into a complex guerrilla and criminal landscape.

That has raised the prospect that American military action could inadvertently strengthen Islamic extremists and criminals.

Abdul Samad Issa, 37, the rebel commander leading his fighters through the executions of the captured soldiers, illustrates that very risk.

Known in northern Syria as “the Uncle” because two of his deputies are his nephews, Mr. Issa leads a relatively unknown group of fewer than 300 fighters, one of his former aides said. The former aide, who smuggled the video out of Syria, is not being identified for security reasons.

A trader and livestock herder before the war, Mr. Issa formed a fighting group early in the uprising by using his own money to buy weapons and underwrite the fighters’ expenses.

His motivation, his former aide said, was just as the poem he recited said: revenge.

In Washington on Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry addressed the issue of radicalized rebels in an exchange with Representative Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican. Mr. Kerry insisted, “There is a real moderate opposition that exists.”

Mr. Kerry said that there were 70,000 to 100,000 “oppositionists.” Of these, he said, some 15 percent to 20 percent were “bad guys” or extremists.

Mr. McCaul responded by saying he had been told in briefings that half of the opposition fighters were extremists.

Much of the concern among American officials has focused on two groups that acknowledge ties to Al Qaeda. These groups — the Nusra Front and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — have attracted foreign jihadis, used terrorist tactics and vowed to create a society in Syria ruled by their severe interpretation of Islamic law.

They have established a firm presence in parts of Aleppo and Idlib Provinces and in the northern provincial capital of Raqqa and in Deir al-Zour, to the east on the Iraqi border.

While the jihadis claim to be superior fighters, and have collaborated with secular Syrian rebels, some analysts and diplomats also note that they can appear less focused on toppling President Bashar al-Assad. Instead, they said, they focus more on establishing a zone of influence spanning Iraq’s Anbar Province and the desert eastern areas of Syria, and eventually establishing an Islamic territory under their administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

September 6th, 2013, 2:22 pm

 

ghufran said:

These are your heroes:

Video footage has emerged which shows the moment seven of President Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian soldiers are executed on camera by rebels fighting to overthrow the regime.
The soldiers are stripped, bound and pushed to the ground where a number of rebels stand over them pointing guns at their bodies. Some bear vicious injuries on their backs and arms.
Just before they are killed, the ring-leader Abdul Samad Issa – known as ‘The Uncle’, recites a poem before he fires the first bullet.

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(this video was widely posted and was seen by a lot of Americans, I was asked about it 3 times today from people who are not usually interested in politics and international affairs)

September 6th, 2013, 2:25 pm

 

Tara said:

No. You are wrong. I am not interested in your emotional response. I occasionally give you hard time because you are not Syrian and you have no stake in Syria.

And I am saying occasionally because I do put conscious effort to “behave nice” but fail occasionally.

September 6th, 2013, 2:25 pm

 

zoo said:

@128 Revenire

I fully agree with you and a game player and a liar too.

September 6th, 2013, 2:27 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, we just received a most important heads up from our well informed and highly reliable sources.

There was a competition that was not lost on the roving media cameras in Petersburg on seating arrangements which involved specifically neighboring seat to the head of the Saudi delegation. David Cameron left his seat next to Al-Assaf, Saudi minister of treasury, for a brief period of time. Cameron came back from behind to find Angela Merkel seated next to the Saudi minister and engaged in a long conversation. Cameron then tapped Merkel on her shoulder, and when she looked and saw Cameron she did not understand at first the object of the tap until Cameron pointed to the plaque in front of her with his name on it. Politicians have a unique way of faking ignorance in public.

There was also a slur made by Putin’s spokesman in which he said that Britain is a small island to which no one cares about or pays much attention. Cameron had to take issue of the slur to remind the Russians and the audience, that even though Britain is an island and small, yet its historical grandeur is unparalleled by even the much bigger states. Cameron also reminded the audience that the Brits gave the world the most lasting inventions in addition to the Beatles and Elgar.

Our most distinguished benefactors wish to remind Cameron that Elgar is in fact of Arab origin.

September 6th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

Alan said:

Position of the Syrian government in response to allegations
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/06-09-2013/125591-position_syria-0/

September 6th, 2013, 2:31 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Mr. Shahror is coming along with Jarba to present their evidence about CW in front of the congress.
Mr Abdul Tawwab Sharor was head of CW medical committee in Syria, he is general, just defected, and has several evidences

September 6th, 2013, 2:33 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Majed

“Mr. Shahror is coming along with Jarba to present their evidence about CW in front of the congress.”

Yawn….

September 6th, 2013, 2:35 pm

 

revenire said:

Ha ha if I had a nickel for every prediction the blowhard Majed has made over the last three years I’d have at least $10-20 bucks. He makes several per day!

Majed you an endless source of laughter for me. I can’t believe you’re a real person.

September 6th, 2013, 2:38 pm

 

zoo said:

#137 Headsup

Ha Ha Ha ! Sir Edward William Elgar, 1st Baronet was of ‘Arab origin’

Just like Al Bert, El Ectricity , El Ephant and El Ementary…

Well done !

September 6th, 2013, 2:42 pm

 

revenire said:

Britain isn’t a small island no one cares about?

Could of fooled me.

September 6th, 2013, 2:43 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

You are calling me liar?

Thank you.

September 6th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
it is a shame to insult a friend of long time,is this part of your religion, or the way you were raised?

September 6th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you have no idea who I am or what my origin is. No one gave you my IP address to guess with. This is mere childish trolling on your part.

What else would we expect from a woman who claims to be Syrian (I don’t believe you’re Syrian at all – anyone can say anything on the Internet) who calls for the murder of Syrian babies by Obama?

What kind of Syrian would do that? What kind of mother?

I smell a fraud.

Go back to begging the Zionists to murder Syrian women and children.

September 6th, 2013, 2:47 pm

 

zoo said:

Now that UK and France backed off, is Obama preparing his safe landing strategy?

Obama Still Losing on Syria Abroad, in Congress

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/obama-still-losing-on-syria-abroad-in-congress.html

“It’s conceivable at the end of the day I don’t persuade a majority of the American people that it’s the right thing to do,” said Obama from Russia today. “And then each member of Congress is going to have to decide.” He added, “I trust my constituents want me to offer my best judgment. That’s why they elected me. That’s why they re-elected me.”

The obvious subtext of President Obama’s plan to speak to the American people about Syria on Tuesday ahead of a planned congressional vote next week — and his refusal to say what happens if he’s shot down — is that things are not going well. If yesterday’s rough vote estimates were bad, today’s are worse: “If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big,” Politico reports.

September 6th, 2013, 2:49 pm

 

Alan said:

“The U.S. Continues To Use Depleted Uranium White Phosphorous WOULDN’T Join The Landmine Ban”
http://youtu.be/3WvvXFoXBGo?t=1s

September 6th, 2013, 2:49 pm

 

Alan said:

Truth May Scare You!! What The Media Isn’t Telling You About Syria. US Boots On The Ground Syria 24 FSA Battalions Join Al Qaeda!!
Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/truth-may-scare-you-what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-syria-us-boots-on-the-ground-syria-24-fsa-battalions-join-al-qaeda/#XWHQjD7r7G0HoLqQ.99

September 6th, 2013, 2:51 pm

 

zoo said:

146. majedkhaldoun

Come on you know the answer!

September 6th, 2013, 2:53 pm

 

Alan said:

Senators Authorizing Syria Strike Got More Defense Cash Than Lawmakers Voting No

Senators voting Wednesday to authorize a Syria strike received, on average, 83 percent more campaign financing from defense contractors than lawmakers voting against war.
Overall, political action committees and employees from defense and intelligence firms such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, United Technologies, Honeywell International, and others ponied up $1,006,887 to the 17 members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who voted yes or no on the authorization Wednesday, according to an analysis by Maplight, the Berkeley-based nonprofit that performed the inquiry at WIRED’s request.
Committee members who voted to authorize what the resolution called a “limited” strike averaged $72,850 in defense campaign financing from the pot. Committee members who voted against the resolution averaged $39,770, according to the data.

It’s all about the money, folks. The military industrial complex owns various assets in Congress, through overt and covert contributions to finance their election cycles: it’s just that simple.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/syria-war-authorization-money/

September 6th, 2013, 2:54 pm

 

revenire said:

MA’LOOLAA HAS BEEN CLEANSED COMPLETELY OF THE CHECHEN RODENT INFESTATION. THE SYRIAN ARMY’S REACTION WAS SUDDEN AND TOTAL WITH 49 ____* KILLED AS THE ARMY SURROUNDED AND SNUFFED THEM OUT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PEOPLE OF MA’LOOLAA.

We are pleased to report that our prediction yesterday, based on intel from Syria, proved to be correct as to the exact hour. The Syrian army, which was devastated on Wednesday by a Jordanian suicide bomber operating for the Chechen group, “Brigades of the Immigrants” (yawn), recovered its bearings immediately and took control of all quarters in the city by Thursday at 11:00 p.m. Damascus time.

The details are that a Jordanian national vermin had prayed and was given the assurances of eternal life by some quack fake-Muslim shaman 2 hours before he got behind the wheel of a Mercedes truck loaded with a ton of military-grade TNT and apparently C-4. The truck was reinforced with protective metal to prevent SAA soldiers from disabling him before he reached the checkpoint at the northern entrance to the city. The terrorist rodents had gotten used to the SAA’s quick response to approaching trucks and provided protection in just the right amount to allow the Jordanian weasel to reach his goal.

Monzer reports that a resourceful sergeant in charge of the unit reported the advance of a “suspicious” truck and was told to order it to stop. When it did not, the sergeant ordered his men to open fire. When the truck did not stop after being riddled with hundreds of shells, an RPG was fired at its engine compartment. That was too late as the truck had reached a high rate of speed and was hurtling toward the checkpoint. Some soldiers were saved by armored vehicles and trenches around the checkpoint. All told, though, 13 SAA fighters were martyred by this Satanic monster who is now swimming in his own impersonal Oblivion.

After the usual Chechen-style slaughter-orgy now familiar to Syria-watchers, the SAA regrouped under command of a Major Salaah —– and worked around the Chechen ____*. Just a few hours ago, the word came that the SAA broomed them out of existence as of last night. There were no rat survivors but 2. The only names of carcasses sent by Monzer are:

“Abu Al-Qafqaas Al-Sheeshaani” (CHECHEN INTESTINAL PARASITE)
Muslim Ghurbaal
‘Ali Jabaara

There were many foreigners among this particular group which originated in the Dayr El-Zor area.

*censored by Matt Barber

September 6th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 
 

Syrian said:

This is how Obama is going to deal with Chemical Assad
http://youtu.be/187zSv_IoOU

September 6th, 2013, 3:07 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

The lethal toxin released by Assadist elements clings to Syria Comment. The main action of the agent seems to be confusion and partial blindness.

As with the cheerleader comment above about the ‘silence’ of former secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Several times we have seen this news-junkie propose that Clinton has said nothing in way of support to a military strike on Syria’s civil war machine.

There is this: “Hillary Clinton Backs Obama on Limited Syria Strike” datelined Washington, Sept. 3, 2013:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton today endorsed President Obama’s plan for limited U.S. military action in Syria, giving a boost to the administration as it mounts a full-court press to win over Congress and the public.

“Secretary Clinton supports the president’s effort to enlist the Congress in pursuing a strong and targeted response to the Assad regime’s horrific use of chemical weapons,” a Clinton aide told ABC News.

Meanwhile, the more loony of the SC regimists, represented by the
headless horseman from the Urals, continues on the path laid down by Bouthaina Shaaban, everyone’s favourite demented Assad propagandist.

With a fresh turn, however, the faceless cheerleader suggests that Alawite children are ‘different’ from other Syrian children, lighter in skin … we have descended past stupidity to the grinning face of racism.

Does it occur to the squad and its intellectual leaders that this kind of racist dodgem does nothing to support the fantasy of Auntie?

Here’s a challenge to the squaddies: assemble a coherent, comprehensive and warranted account of the Magical Alawi Airlift Gassing to Ghouta. Fill in the blanks. Give us one real name of one real child who was ‘taken’ … sketch a map of the evil plot as it happened.

Meanwhile, the sideshow of political machinations in Hogwallow on the Potomac continues. I have zero confidence in the US Congress to support Obama — there are too many domestic partisan blockades and no history of putting aside differences to speak with one voice. We can be amazed, appalled or bored sick by the amount of posturing on the issues, heartened, saddened or revolted by the messy work of US democracy.

But contrast the congressional chest-beating and electoral tactics to the utterly quiescent and powerless structures of state ‘reformed’ by Assad. Where there is never a debate, only endorsement, never any sharp questions raised against presidential policy, only hosannas (or, if a mild dissent, prosecution).

It bears mentioning that the massive destruction of urban infrastructure is the responsibility of the Assad war machine. At no time did the powers at the top of the pyramid deign to ask for commentary or votes on war plans. Each escalation of the war machine was a choice by the war cabinet alone.

I cannot see the future dreamed of by the headless horsemen of war here. I cannot picture what kind of Syria these folk want to see — beyond a dictator on his throne with unlimited power and control.

We catch only glimpses of this glorious future: a place where absolute power is vested in a family, where all laws are decreed, where total annihilation of the ‘terrorists’ is accomplished, where the secret Terrorist Court is the highest assizes, where no independent media may act, where all those who are opposed to the dictatorship can languish in prison or be dispatched by a bullet to the head or tortured in perpetua.

A country of iron rule, fear, obedience and subjection. What a dream. Stalingrad as far as one can see, this is what comes after the final peace/victory/annihilation wished for by the hatemongers here.

Note well that the greatest war cries in these comments are not from the side of the anti-Assads. Remember the numerous instances of aggressive hate and threats and demands from this side. Remember the boasts, the calls to destruction and domination, the knives of fanaticism and intolerance.

Note that the cheerleaders have cheered on and will cheer on the dictator in every measure, in every atrocity, in every lunatic re-casting of history. at every step and level of madness. Note the silent support for the crazy claims of Shaaban. And wonder with me just what stores of crazy await us still in the horror that is Syria. Wonder also about the post-war Assadist paradise the headless hope will emerge from the carnage.

What will the cheerleaders cheer if Assad can regain total control and vanquish the enemy? We see the signs of this magical future state here every day, a state of coercion, led by war criminals, slaked by blood.

Cheer on the war machine, horsemen. Cheer on Assad chemotherapy, summary executions, terror-rockets, fuel-air bombs, and daily tallies of innocent non-combatant lives lost. Cheer on the Terrorist Court, and cheer on the unelected thugs who lead the security services. Cheer on the total annihilation of the Other, and cheer on the relentless purges that will follow the consolidation of power by the criminals.

I suspect the Assad squad will become more shrill in the days to come, in suspense, in not knowing what decision will come from America.

September 6th, 2013, 3:13 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Hey everyone, we have the full name of the body which posts here as DON.

Disinformation Or Nonsense. (D.O.N.)

It’s their official departmental title. It describes the material they use to spam SyriaComment with junk cutpastes.

(As TARA pointed out, they are the re-branded ANN (Assad News Network) on this forum)

September 6th, 2013, 3:15 pm

 

Rancher said:

Some of you believe, or at least are selling the idea, that if this goes well it will be a win for Obama. First off, this isn’t going to pass, maybe in the Senate, maybe, but it stands no chance in the House. It looks like the House won’t even put it to a vote because it has no chance. So he will have wasted time allowing Assad to make the mission far tougher and thumb his nose at the will of the people, 60% who oppose this, if he goes ahead and strikes. In that case it has to be a resounding success, even though he hasn’t even defined what success would be. We can’t stop Assad from doing this again, especially if he didn’t do it in the first place. He will have no down side using chemical weapons after this and has much to gain. He can say I might as well use them if I’ve already been punished. He can show that the Americans can’t push him around. Trying to sell a second strike for a second use of WMDs after the first failed will be more than even this egomaniac can contemplate.

A successful strike will be if there are no civilian casualties, he stops further use of WMDs, no chemical weapons are released into the environment, there is no retaliation from Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, or Russia, and Assad takes a beating but not too big a beating. Imagine being a general planning that? There will be dead children even if Assad has to plant them after the fact. Iran will have to react, otherwise its credibility takes a hit. Any excuse to attack Israel will be pounced on. Jordan could be hit. Lebanon might be hit. Depending on the scope of any retaliation Israel will counter attack, we might have to counter attack, we could escalate this into a nightmare. This cannot go well for Obama, it’s just impossible.

September 6th, 2013, 3:24 pm

 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

Rancher
US would love for HA to retaliate, that will be the end of HA, Persia can not be successful.
Success is destroy CW,destroy airports and aircrafts
Most important is to destroy Assad thugs around Damascus,to enable the FSA to enter Damascus

September 6th, 2013, 3:34 pm

 

Syrialover said:

It’s diplomacy that stops other countries from holding their noses and pointing out Putin’s stinking, leaking trousers.

Known but unspoken fact: Russia is a collaborator and facilitator in the atrocities committed by the Assad regime against the Syrian people.

Which makes nonsense of involving Russia in any actions to stop Assad using chemical weapons. It’s asking Putin himself to surrender, admit full blame and stop what he’s doing in Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 3:37 pm

 

Syrialover said:

How to disband Hezbollah instantly: offer its members and their families visas, mainstream jobs and a chance to make a life in the west.

Watch Nasrullah being knocked over and trampled to dust in the rush.

Same thing would work with members of the Iranian militia teams in Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 3:50 pm

 

revenire said:

Ha ha buck up Syriahater! Victory is coming for Syria and Assad!!

September 6th, 2013, 3:51 pm

 

omen said:

what a beautiful image to be greeted by.

September 6th, 2013, 3:53 pm

 

revenire said:

‘Buffalo’ Bill Scherk the fired ex-Syria Comment moderator. Scherk was running his own NSA spy ring when he had an all-access pass to your private information. He was giving his Nusra cannibal friends poster’s private IP address so they could be harassed at their homes and places of business.

Shame on Syria Comment for allowing private information about posters to leak out via Scherk.

Ann told me all about it.

PS – Scherk you don’t delude yourself into believing anyone reads your long-winded drivel do you? Zzzz.

You are no Danielle Steel ‘Buffalo’ Bill.

September 6th, 2013, 3:53 pm

 

omen said:

cnn had a dr. khaldoun (from philly) arguing against intervention! how ironic is that? made my heart skip for a second. i was like, nah, that can’t be our doc. ☺

September 6th, 2013, 3:55 pm

 

Rancher said:

158. William Scott Scherk said:

Several times we have seen this news-junkie propose that Clinton has said nothing in way of support to a military strike on Syria’s civil war machine.

Well this quote from your link is where we got that idea:

After allegations of a horrific Syrian chemical weapons attack surfaced last month and the Obama administration prepared a response, Clinton remained silent, even as other recent Obama administration alumni, including former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and several of the president’s political rivals, spoke out.

Now that she’s spoken out I would bet she is hoping that when it fails to pass congress Obama lets the matter drop. She is like McCain, she wants substantial support for the rebels not a “message” meant to be just strong enough to avoid being mocked.

September 6th, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

apple_mini said:

After Obama gets defeated at Congress, someone in his administration needs to take the heat.

The indisputable candidate would have to be John Kerry.

Otherwise, imagine in the future diplomatic scene, his counterpart would ask him whether he has authority for the decision or he needs to get a vote from Congress. That would be too embarrassing for him and US.

September 6th, 2013, 4:02 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

Majedkhaldoun would you support Christian heavily armed militias (not regular armies) coming to Syria in order to defend the Christian minority and their holy places against you know who? Would you support European and Latin American countries directly or indirectly donating money and weapons to these “Christian helpers”? Should the Pope demand a new modern crusade? It could become a popular and effective way to erase Al Qaida extremists in Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 4:03 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s a crystal clear reminder that Assad is NOT Syria.

Imagine how much toxic fog would disappear if this went viral on the internet and was shown on prime time TV.

September 6th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

ghufran said:

These are your heroes:

(surgeon, Muhammad Abyad, working for Doctors Without Borders was killed by ISIS according to SOHR)
اكد المرصد السوري لحقوق الانسان الجمعة ان الجراح السوري العامل مع منظمة اطباء بلا حدود والذي عثر على جثته الثلاثاء قتل بيد عناصر تنظيم “الدولة الاسلامية في العراق والشام” المرتبطة بالقاعدة.
وافاد المرصد في بيان “أكد أطباء للمرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان أن الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام هي المسؤولة عن قتل زميلهم الطبيب الشاب ، الناشط محمد أبيض، بعد اختطافه فجر الاثنين الماضي من مكان عمله في قرية سجو بريف حلب الشمالي، وعثر على جثته مساء اليوم ذاته، على طريق بلدة دير جمال، ليس بعيدا عن المنطقة التي اختطف منه”.
واعلنت اطباء بلا حدود الخميس عن مقتل الجراح البالغ 29 عاما في ظروف “غامضة” منددة بهذا “الهجوم على جراح كان يعمل بلا كلل لتحسين الوضع الانساني الفظيع في هذه المنطقة فيما تشهد بلاده حربا”.
كما شددت المنظمة التي تتالف فرقها من عمال اجانب وسوريين موزعين على ستة مستشفيات واربعة مراكز صحية في شمال سوريا على “واجب ضمان حماية عمال الهيئات الانسانية”.
ISIS also killed a poet, Muhammad Al-Hamadeh, who is known for his anti regime stance:
كما افاد المرصد الذي يستند في معلوماته الى شبكة واسعة من الناشطين والاطباء في مختلف انحاء سوريا “قتلت الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام، الشاعر المعارض محمد الحمادة، من مدينة كفرزيتا بريف محافظة حماه، وذلك أثناء تواجده في احدى مقارها بمحافظة إدلب، للسؤال عن ابنه المفقود منذ أشهر”.
واضافت “أفاد نشطاء بحصول مشادة كلامية، بينه وبين مقاتلي الدولة الإسلامية، حيث عاجل مقاتل من الدولة إلى إطلاق رصاصتين عليه إحداها استقرت في رأسه والأخرى في صدره، ما أدى لاستشهاده”

September 6th, 2013, 4:10 pm

 

revenire said:

I heard Kafranbel was gassed by Nusra. Is that true? Someone said it would ensure Obama attacking if the entire town was wiped out in a new chemical attack.

I believe it is only a rumor.

September 6th, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

Alan said:

I am very curious watching the actions of the United States. They really want to overthrow Assad. Very , very, very much. But the original plan to change the political system of a sovereign state has failed . The Islamists have been so stupid that even with the help of American trainers , losing a civil war. Obviously, the need to help themselves. It is curious that the Islamists , who consider the United States the number one enemy , touching look into the mouth Americans waiting for help . They are so stupid that they think : ” Use of Americans in their own interests, and then he ‘ll count them as their primary foe .” Americans think exactly the opposite . Islamists want them to get their hands (which, as it turned out , grow out of ass ) to change the regime in Syria. The fact that it will be then supplied weapons used against them , they now do not think , because the main objective of the operation is in danger …

Thus , the debit to credit . Islamists get kicked . And waiting for help from the U.S.. And the U.S. hesitates to drop the mask and very very insolently climb into Syria. In the first place , because it will be a signal to all without nuclear countries: ” No weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery – you are nothing . You not independent . We can bend when you want. Gird active .” In short , the United States really need a reason . Americans are unsophisticated . They say: ” We will intervene if Assad is killing civilians en masse .” And here again! A few facts massacre . But very quickly it turns out that the ” brutal regime ” was not involved in the massacre . The Islamists have worked too rough. Then the U.S. makes another statement : “We will intervene if it used chemical weapons .” And then , how to order – it applies. How apropos !

Let’s say it was used Assad . What for ? In order to lure the United States into a trap. To get them to get into a conflict . Probably some kind of ruse , eh? And if Assad does not , it turns out the Americans , too, must intervene – but on the side of the regime. They wanted to overthrow . Naturally, the U.S. never and that will not help Assad . So what? No options . You need not deviate from the version that used the chemical weapons Assad . Otherwise Americans fall into the same trap laid for them . What evidence there is in the U.S.? Actually no . Only statements that they believe in the guilt of Assad. Excellent . It would be nice to extend this practice to the courts of all instances. Here we are sure that the person is guilty , the evidence we have , like, is there, but the secret , no one will show . Write down the ten citizen , your honor.

Now, for example , a call from the U.S. State Department to some president of some country and begin to make : what the opposition is something you behind bars , a peace rally was shot ? We express our concern. And he answered them : “We have no choice. They used chemical weapons. Proof? Secret .” That’s all. In modern politics the main foreign policy that ? To be able to lie with abandon , despite the fact that everyone knows that you are lying, as Trotsky . Moreover , it is curious that the Americans took all the complaints about the lie chimical weapons in Iraq , as God’s dew. And now the same crank in Syria. Of course , the chemical weapons from al-Assad is. He applied it against the citizens of the country ? The big question. And apply whether against a foreign aggressor ? In this I do not doubt for a second . Americans also nothing to prevent drop nuclear bombs on the Japanese cities of peace . And can I apply poisons Islamists against their supporters ? Yes easily. These gentlemen end justifies any means. And when the whole thing at stake, can be sacrificed as an offering for its bloody deity that it would send for a rain of fire on enemy troops .

In fact, we are now seeing the panic the U.S. State Department . It always happens when the primary plan collapsed , and spare not. But panic soon gave way to a primitive ” will act on the Iraqi version .” Nothing that we then screwed up ? Nothing , the world gobble . The main thing is to pretend that we do believe in your nonsense . Americans do not want to send troops to Syria. They want a little bombing to help Islamist s. And if that does not work ? The U.S. will be in the role of golife , grab a little ass kicked by David. Worse, Syria may transfer to the United States , some fighting, because military intervention – a declaration of war . Worse may be that disloyal U.S. Middle Eastern states will realize that the ” superpower ” is not omnipotent , and its opinion is negligible.

Among other things , the protection of civilians in the United States is always associated with the massive loss of most of these civilians. Point strikes prove to be carpet bombing . And then it’s all in the WikiLeaks lay out . Because ordinary Americans meanness and lies . So much so that even the beautiful patriotic scenes in Hollywood movies , it is not capable of varnishing . Lying U.S. will inevitably become apparent. U.S. leadership for several years in fact tramples his country’s flag , destroying the state’s authority in the international arena . Little lies creates a lot of mistrust . But Americans do not enjoy a little lie. Only global lies, only the hardcore …

September 6th, 2013, 4:15 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SIMOHURTTA #171. Wrong. They wouldn’t be normal Christians with the approval of any church or government any more than the “foreign fighters” having a violent fantasy adventure in Syria are normal Muslims.

If they existed, any such group would be misfits, losers or mentally unstable types with their own invented religion just like their ISIS counterparts.

September 6th, 2013, 4:20 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s the core case for doing something in Syria. So why such a tsunami of irrelevant noise and hysteria obscuring it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/09/05/the-real-case-for-syria-strikes-makes-sense-so-why-isnt-anyone-making-it/

September 6th, 2013, 4:26 pm

 

Alan said:

Shame on Syria Comment for allowing private information about posters to leak out via Scherk.
It seems that Scherkov Surveyors shoes looking for work to improve their situation! Also leaked about me the ID to their masters!

September 6th, 2013, 4:30 pm

 

revenire said:

If Christians acted to protect Christian towns in Syria they’d be worshiped as heroes.

September 6th, 2013, 4:33 pm

 

apple_mini said:

I am still convinced regardless of the outcome of this CW. The war is entering to its last phase: path to ceasefire and peace.

The scenario in my mind is this: No military strike. Further US covert military involvement in Syria will be under tighter scrutiny. That does not mean Assad is the winner. Russia will exert more pressure on him. John Kerry will “voluntarily” resign. US administration has enough of Syria war and it also pushes for political solution.

For American politics, Americans saying NO to their government’s military aggression and its success will have profound impact in the future.

As for the Jihadi in Syria, American’s drone attacks might be the best way to get rid of them.

September 6th, 2013, 4:33 pm

 

Syrialover said:

175. ALAN

Please, have mercy. Stop adding here to the torrents of confused pseudo-analysis and speculation about America.

Instead, help the world out by talking about things you have special knowledge about.

Like how is Putin seriously expecting to wash the stinking dripping mess he’s made in Syria out of his pants?

September 6th, 2013, 4:36 pm

 

revenire said:

“178. ALAN said:
Shame on Syria Comment for allowing private information about posters to leak out via Scherk.
It seems that Scherkov Surveyors shoes looking for work to improve their situation! Also leaked about me the ID to their masters!”

Long ago I emailed Joshua Landis asking about ‘Buffalo’ Bill Scherk. This was after the now-banned Ann told me Scherk was handing out IPs to Nusra supporters here. Landis replied that Scherk no longer had access to the private IPs. I asked Matt Barber about it too and he said he’d never give out private IPs. That is good but this invasion of privacy did happen.

September 6th, 2013, 4:36 pm

 

Alan said:

182. REVENIRE
U R absolutely right!

September 6th, 2013, 4:42 pm

 

revenire said:

This Canadian abomination writes these long, boring odes to Al-Nusra. Who reads them? Other Nusra supporters? Does this odd person feel that Syrian women and children will be spared Obama’s smart bombs? Spared a cannibal’s hunger? Do Syrian women really deserve to be raped just because Obama and a few traitors hate Assad?

How many Syrian women and children must die for Bill Scherk to be sated? Or, is it all Assad’s fault? Missiles will fall on civilians because of Assad?

Assad Assad Assad.

These are real animals in action. I have to say I find them all highly disgusting and immoral. Every pro-“revolution” post nauseates me.

September 6th, 2013, 4:50 pm

 

Rancher said:

The Generals don’t want this:

A war the Pentagon doesn’t want
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-military-planners-dont-support-war-with-syria/2013/09/05/10a07114-15bb-11e3-be6e-dc6ae8a5b3a8_story.html

Money quote:

“They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.”

September 6th, 2013, 4:53 pm

 

Syrian said:

A film about Ghouta Massacre using chemical weapons. More than 1600 civilians died including about 400 children.
When will you act silent world?..
When will stop the Syrian bleeding?..
Where is your humanity?..

#Act2EndAsaadsWar #CWMassacre #Syria #Obama #USIntervation #Yes4Obama #WakeUpAmerica #SOS

http://youtu.be/V8yheuQekMI

September 6th, 2013, 4:57 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

176. Syrialover said:

SIMOHURTTA #171. Wrong. They wouldn’t be normal Christians with the approval of any church or government any more than the “foreign fighters” having a violent fantasy adventure in Syria are normal Muslims.

If they existed, any such group would be misfits, losers or mentally unstable types with their own invented religion just like their ISIS counterparts.

Well, well. Who had approved that Finnish Muslim convert who was killed in the fights of Aleppo? Who had approved the Russian Muslims fighting in Syria? Or those from Libya etc. Let us not forget, that those numerous foreign Muslims on their violent fantasy adventure are well paid, armed and trained. The foreign religious Muslim mercenaries are not a rumour. They are a well organized and expensive reality.

It would be naive to believe, that there would not be “private” interests on the Christian side to intervene (not in the form USA and others governments want). A couple more attacks by Muslim extremists against Christians and those foreign Christian religious militias could be a existing reality. Religious extremism is not a monopoly for Muslims. Christians have been at least as “successful” on that questionable field (using religion in wars and conflicts).

September 6th, 2013, 5:04 pm

 
 
 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, we have been made privy by our well informed and highly reliable sources of this most important of all heads up which we now release to the genetal public.

We have been informed that Criminal Pervert, A.K.A Ass-Head, is now confined to living in one of three farms all located in Yaafour (يعفور). It is further revealed that C.P. (criminal pervert for short from now on) never leaves the Yaafour farms for any reason whatsoever. This could be out of fear due to circumstance, or it could be due to an inherent trait of preference to living close to like-natured animal species such as dogs, donkeys, rats and the like.

Nevertheless, a plan has been put in place to transport C.P. by a Gazelle helicopter to a naval base in Tartous if and when the skies start falling. However, the flying distance between Yaafour and the Tartous naval base is 350 km over hostile terrain which may expose C.P.’s flying chopper to downing either by the Americans, or by the Syrian fighters who have recently acquired means to down such flying machines.

So, the plan is to fly over Lebanese airspace, evading detection by the Lebanese but not necessarily by the Americans. Hezbollah promised to provide the necessary logistics for the fateful flight which would put C.P. out of the Syrian theatre of operations in preparation for his eventual shipment to the Hague.

September 6th, 2013, 5:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Contrary to what Obama thinks that the world is looking at the USA to do something drastic, the world is telling him do something political, but no war
What if Congress votes no on Syria?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23997250

President Obama’s heading back to the US for a horrible week ahead. He spoke at at news conference in Russia like a man who felt agonised by his own choice.

He said: “I’m not itching for military action”. He added: “I’ve spent the last four-and-a-half years doing everything I can to reduce our reliance on military power as a means of meeting our international obligations and protecting the American people.”

To some, watching him wrestling with difficult issues will make him a more authentic proponent of a tough choice. But it may not be the best frame of mind for a man who has to sell a plan like his whole reputation rests on it.

“This is not convenient. This is not something that I think a lot of folks around the world find an appetising set of choices,” he said.

“But the question is, do these norms mean something? And if we’re not acting, what does that say?”

He added that the leader of a small country said he was glad nobody looked to his country to take action. But people did, the president said, have that expectation of America.

“It’s tough because people do look to the United States. And the question for the American people is, is that a responsibility that we’re willing to bear?

“And I believe that when you have a limited, proportional strike like this – not Iraq; not putting boots on the ground; not some long, drawn-out affair; not without any risks, but with manageable risks – that we should be willing to bear that responsibility.”

Intriguingly, he suggested he went to Congress because he knew he didn’t really have the authority under the law to take action, in this case, without it.

“I put it before Congress because I could not honestly claim that the threat posed by Assad’s use of chemical weapons on innocent civilians and women and children posed an imminent, direct threat to the United States,” he said.

But he refused to say what he would do if Congress voted “no”. That, he said, would be jumping the gun.

But all the indications from Congress are that the “no” votes are piling up. If there is one, that will present the president with his next agonising choice.
Mark Mardell, North America editor Article written by Mark Mardell Mark Mardell

September 6th, 2013, 5:24 pm

 

revenire said:

Saw this at http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/military-conflicts/updates-on-military-action-in-syria/11850/ today and was amused: “Do not underestimate Canada. In addition to the gay pride squad, two mounties on their horses and a small fishing vessel recently transformed into a destroyer could head toward Syria. I know a couple of armchair warriors here who sworn that Saddam Assad will be teach a lesson soon an will leave the Kuwaitis alone.”

September 6th, 2013, 5:29 pm

 

revenire said:

Hamas: called Islamic world to stand against US attack on Syria.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=1&id=459883
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13920612001315

10,000 Hezbollah fighter are in damasus to backup Syria government.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=1&id=459832

September 6th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Alan

Until the fall of Morsi, the Americans were convinced by Qatar and Turkey that, except for a few, the Islamits in Syria were “moderate” Moslem Brotherhood rebels sympathizers who will obey the emir of Qatar who is paying them their salary.
The plan was that the MB would take over Syria as it took over Egypt and Tunisia and Israel is in security for ever.

The shock of the Egyptian upheaval on the MB, supported by Saudi Arabia who could not accept Qatar’s leadership and even less the MB, left the USA in dismay. The fall of the Qatari architect of that scenario and his replacement by Bandar Bin Sultan was not a good omen.
Suddenly the USA realized that the Islamists were mostly Al Qaeda sympathizers, that the FSA was a hopeless skeleton and that Bashar al Assad was winning over militarily as well as the hearts and minds of Syrian. The USA has to save its face.
It did an improvised change by naively allowing the Saudi Arabia to take the matter in their hands.
Bandar Bin Sultan’s immediate plan was to bring the USA to attack Syria, since he could not count anymore on the FSA, still loyal to Qatar and weak.

The ‘chemical attack’ came just to rush the USA to war after assuring Obama that the UK, France and all Europe will follow. Stupidly Obama believed Israeli and Saudi Arabia intelligence.
Second shock for Obama: UK backs off and it appears that Europe is far from supporting war on Syria.
Obama panics and throws the decision to the Congress thinking that if the Israeli lobby and Arab money succeed in convincing the American people the whole world will follow.
It does not seem to happen.
Before he gets another shock, isn’t time for Obama to ask the Russian and Europe for help out of that quagmire his amateurism has put him in?

September 6th, 2013, 5:48 pm

 

don said:

Turkey finds Sarin gas in the hands of Syrian Rebels.

September 6th, 2013, 5:56 pm

 

don said:

Syria, Hama: FSA/al-Nusra Terrorists Sized with 2 Cylinders of Sarin Gas

September 6th, 2013, 6:00 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria vote: What happens if Obama loses?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0906/Syria-vote-What-happens-if-Obama-loses

Current polls show the House opposing a strike on Syria. Obama is not saying whether he would order an attack anyway, but a loss could have long-lasting political effects at home and abroad.

“I can’t believe how badly he’s mishandled this issue,” said Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona to a local radio show.

But left-leaning pundit Greg Sargent makes another argument: in such a situation voters will see a president abiding by the will of the people. The liberal Democratic base, which largely opposes Syrian intervention, would rally to support Obama.

“Independents, who have tilted strongly against an attack, might be supportive, too,” writes Sargent.

And the Weekly Standard’s William Kristol, a conservative who supports retaliation against Syria for its chemical use, warns that GOP lawmakers who vote “no” on the use of force may be handing Obama a domestic political weapon.
..
“The only thing that can get Obama off the hook now is for Republicans to deny him authorization for the use of force against the Assad regime,” writes Kristol. “Then the GOP can be blamed for whatever goes wrong on Syria, and elsewhere in the Middle East, over the next months and years.”

September 6th, 2013, 6:02 pm

 

revenire said:

A VIPS MESSAGE FOR OBAMA, AMERICA AND THE WORLD
By Larry Johnson on September 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM in Current Affairs
The following was drafted today and is being posted at http://consortiumnews.com. Signatories, so far, include the following patriots who stand under the umbrella of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity:

Thomas Drake, Senior Executive, NSA (former)

Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

W. Patrick Lang, Senior Executive and Defense Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Todd Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General (ret.)

Coleen Rowley, Division Council & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

In February 2003 I failed to challenge aggressively the deceit pushed by the Bush Administration in persuading Americans to attack Iraq. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt. I was wrong to do that and vowed never again. Obama and his team are following the same playbook and it is incumbent that they be stopped before American military personnel are put in harms way once again for no good reason.

September 6. 2013

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

Precedence: IMMEDIATE

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

We have been down this road before – with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powell’s Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he pedaled fraudulent “intelligence” to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled – or, at the least, very poorly advised.

The fraudulent nature of Powell’s speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to “widen the discussion beyond … the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.” [[[[[[[please embed this link.]]]]]]]

http://warisacrime.org/downloads/vipstwelve.pdf

We offer you the same advice today.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/76331/a-vips-message-for-obama-america-and-the-world/#more-76331

September 6th, 2013, 6:38 pm

 

revenire said:

Obama and Kerry Are Lying About Syria
By Larry Johnson on September 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM in Current Affairs
Barack Obama and John Kerry are lying about what has happened in Syria.

Yes, I have a record of doing this. Friends on the inside of the CIA warned me back in May of 2003 that the intel on Iraq was cooked and the American people were being fed a lie. Unfortunately, I learned this too late and was unable aggressively to make the case before we launched the invasion. Here’s what I said back then, and I was right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UP-OnykKw6U

My friends in the CIA are still around and they are now warning me that both the United States and the United Kingdom know that Bashir Assad is not responsible for the incident on 21 August that killed and maimed Syrian civilians. While it is true that a chemical of some sort caused the fatalities and injuries, it was not the result of an attack by the Syrian Army using military quality chemical weapons from the Syrian arsenal. The CIA knows that this is the case yet, with John Brennan at the head of the Agency, is deliberately lying and misleading members of Congress, the media and the public.

As I noted in an earlier piece, this was a pre-planned effort by the rebels to create an incident that would bring the United States into the war.

It was prepared in collaboration with the Saudis and the Turks. The canisters containing the chemical agent were opened and people in the immediate vicinity were affected. Some died and some suffered physical injuries.

Important to note that no single Syrian military rocket capable of carrying a chemical agent has been recovered from the area. Not a single shred of physical evidence exists to support the claim that this was a result of a strike by a Syrian military unit with expertise in Chemical weapons. And, there still is no medical evidence backing up the specious claim by Kerry and Obama that this was sarin.

I personally call on President Putin and other leaders at the G-20 to hold Obama to account and to demand proof. Obama cannot supply it. He is lying. He is being aided in this deceit by David Cameron, the British Prime Minister. If the United States proceeds to carry out a military strike on Syria it will be committing the same kind of crime committed by Adolf Hitler in launching an unprovoked and unwarranted attack on Poland in 1939. The stakes are this high and the United States must be stopped from committing war crimes against the government and people of Syria.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/76328/obama-and-kerry-are-lying-about-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 6:39 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
I stand for freedom and justice for dignity and equality, if a moslem ruler persecuted a majority christians, I will definitely call to help the majority, democracy is important

Revenir
You are not Syrian,get brain

September 6th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

So Apple Mini thinks Kerry will resign,for failing to get congress approval.
Apple would this ever happen in a democracy headed by Assad?

September 6th, 2013, 7:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Only 25 Congressmen for the war, 222 against and 188 undecided.

September 6th, 2013, 7:13 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

Excellent reporting Matt! Thank you! I still remember one of my visits to Ma’lula in which we visited the monastery. I hope to wake one day and hear that the Assad regime and the extreme elements in the opposition are gone.

September 6th, 2013, 7:21 pm

 

don said:

Hacked documents reveal Syria chemical attack was staged, sponsored by US

A hacker by the name of €Wagn3r claims to have hacked approximately 20 members of the Pentagon and some of their spouses. In their emails US Colonels utilize a high number of military acronyms which, when looked, up point to a conversation about intelligence budgets and how to fund operations. The correspondence indicates the US government was the most probable sponsor of the latest chemical attack in Syrian Ghouta.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_03/Hacked-documents-reveal-Syria-chemical-attack-was-staged-sponsored-by-US-8631/

September 6th, 2013, 7:37 pm

 

don said:

“It is difficult to resist a president’s call to war. Nothing comes close to stirring the same passions, especially because they come wrapped in patriotism” – Geraldo Rivera

Not This Time. Not in Syria.

You don’t think much about the Military-Industrial Complex lobbying or the other special interest groups, and you discredit as naïve the misguided anti-war protestors. You think about the troops. You think about their families and your own, and protecting the homeland from terror.

Now the new boogeyman, the Enemy of All Decency is in Syria. The video of those Syrian children dead or dying because of a poison gas attack is hard to watch without retching. I’m the father of five and it makes my skin crawl.

But equally hard to watch is that other video of the Syrian rebels murdering Assad’s soldiers. The rebels executed them in cold blood after having tied their hands behind their backs and torturing them.

These are the people we will be helping if we attack Assad’s forces as President Obama wants. Many of them are or want-to-be Al Qaeda-affiliated. They hate us. They hate freedom. They hate Israel and they hate Syria’s own Christian minority. Many of the so-called Syrian rebels aren’t even Syrian. They are from Libya and Chechnya and I don’t want them in control of this country at the heart of the Mid-East and on the border with Israel. There is no such thing as a limited, surgical strike. Once we pick a side, it is our war.

I’m not going for it again Mr. President. Not this time. Not in Syria.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2013/09/06/geraldo-rivera-not-this-time-not-in-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 7:38 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The pic of ” Hollande The Village Idiot” may not be fake after all :
(Reuters) – France will await conclusions by U.N. inspectors investigating last month’s chemical weapon attack in Syria before deciding on any action, President Francois Hollande said on Friday.

September 6th, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is the answer to those who claimed that Jewish Americans are against a war on Syria:
“US Jewish leaders petition Congress to authorise Syria strike
Change.org petition evokes memories of Holocaust and urges leaders to act to deter future atrocities in ‘Syria and elsewhere'”
(The Guardian)

September 6th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrians inside Syria urge Congress to back the strike.  Those against the strike want the butchery to continue for sectarian or corruption reasons.

Protesters in the northern Syrian town of Kafranbel have urged Congress to back air strikes against the Assad regime, in their latest Friday banner.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RamiAlLolah/status/375947241938112512/photo/1?screen_name=RamiAlLolah

September 6th, 2013, 8:15 pm

 

Tara said:

Ghufran,

The American Jews I know are not part of the AIPAC. They are againt the strike.

September 6th, 2013, 8:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

More Than 3-to-1 Against an Attack on Syria

Huge Momentum Building in U.S. House of Representatives Against Military Intervention in Syria

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) – Enormous momentum has built against U.S. military intervention in Syria. Four national news organizations that are currently tracking vote counts have reported that members of the U.S. House of Representatives are overwhelmingly against authorizing a war in Syria:

From ABC News: “After this week’s full court press by the Obama administration, the president does not yet have the votes to authorize the military strike on Syria.”
199 Members Against Military Intervention [63 ‘No’, 136 ‘Lean No’]
Only 45 Members For Military Intervention [20 ‘Yes’, 25 ‘Lean Yes’]
From the Washington Post: “Already, scores of members of both parties have expressed skepticism about the administration’s cause for intervening in that country’s civil war, despite intelligence reports that say the Syrian regime used chemical weapons on its own people.”
178 Members Against Military Intervention [86 ‘No’, 92 ‘Lean No’]
Only 19 Members For Military Intervention
From Fire Dog Lake: “House leadership tried to create the illusion of “momentum” yesterday…Nonetheless, the number of representatives coming out in opposition to the vote continue to dramatically outstrip those in favor.”
144 Members Against Military Intervention [48 ‘No’, 96‘Lean No’]
Only 58 Members For Military Intervention [28 ‘Yes’, 30 ‘Lean Yes’]
From The Hill: “The White House faces a tough task in convincing a majority in the House and Senate to approve authorization for a military strike against Syria.”
89 Members Against Military Intervention [‘No’ and ‘Lean No’ reported together]
Only 28 Members For Military Intervention [‘Yes’ and ‘Lean Yes’ reported together]
“A huge, bi-partisan majority has recognized that a unilateral attack on Syria is not our responsibility, it won’t accomplish anything, it’s expensive, and it’s dangerous,” said Rep. Alan Grayson, a leader of opponents against military intervention.
Congressman Alan Grayson represents Florida’s 9th Congressional District, which includes Osceola County, as well as parts of Orange and Polk counties. He previously served as the U.S. Representative for Florida’s 8th Congressional District in the 111th Congress.

September 6th, 2013, 8:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Is Samia Elias not one of Matt’s contact? 

Syrian opposition forces have withdrawn from Maaloula, the ancient Christian village they first entered on Wednesday, the BBC reports based on a Syrian National Coalition account:

“For months the rebels have been around Maaloula but there has been a sort of an understanding with the residents that they would not enter,” Samia Elias, a resident who stayed in Maaloula during the fighting, told the Reuters news agency.

“To be fair, they do not seem to have touched churches or homes.” […]

Overnight, the National Coalition issued a statement confirming that FSA units had withdrawn after destroying army posts at Maaloula.

The opposition alliance also stressed its “commitment to protect all Syrians, no matter what their religion, race, confession or political belief, and its constant concern to preserve Syria’s human and religious heritage by every means possible”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/06/syria-crisis-splits-g20-live#block-522a1304e4b0b4804819a33d

September 6th, 2013, 8:23 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Holland said he will wait till he sees the result of UN inspectors
Obama will wait till the congress approves
It is two weeks since Assad killed 1400 Syrian, it looks we are going to wait at least one more week,may be two, so the strike is going to be the week after 9/17/13

September 6th, 2013, 8:27 pm

 

don said:

Al-Qaeda Vows to Slaughter Christians After U.S. “Liberates” Syria

While U.S. leaders continue pushing for war against the Syrian government, today “Al-Qaeda-linked rebels,” reports AP, “launched an assault on a regime-held Christian mountain village in the densely populated west of Syria and new clashes erupted near the capital, Damascus, on Wednesday… In the attack on the village of Maaloula, rebels commandeered a mountaintop hotel and nearby caves and shelled the community below, said a nun, speaking by phone from a convent in the village. She spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.”

Arabic news agency Al Hadath gives more information concerning this latest terror attack on Syria’s Christians, specifically how the al-Qaeda linked rebels “terrorized the Christians, threatening to be avenged on them after the triumph of the revolution.”

Thus al-Qaeda terrorists eagerly await U.S. assistance against the Syrian government, so they can subjugate if not slaughter Syria’s Christians, secularists, and non-Muslims

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/al-qaeda-promises-to-slaughter-christians-after-u-s-liberates-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 8:29 pm

 

revenire said:

I have photos of the damage Nusra did to at least one church in Ma’loula.

Why do you lie about it Tara?

September 6th, 2013, 8:45 pm

 

Tara said:

Is the US going to place Arab shiaa under close surveillance?  The Iranian Quds Force is ordering Iraqi shiaa in Iraq to target Americans. 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iran-plots-revenge-u-says-004600132.html;_ylt=A2KLOzKgVSpSpRQAVxtDDex_

Iran Plots Revenge, U.S. Says
By Julian E. Barnes | The Wall Street Journal –

WASHINGTON—The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria, officials said, amid an expanding array of reprisal threats across the region.
Military officials have been trying to predict the range of possible responses from Syria, Iran and their allies. U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran’s fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf, where American warships are positioned. U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.

While the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike, it has other assets in the area that would be ready to respond to any reprisals by Syria, Iran or its allies.
Those deployments include a strike group of the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and three destroyers in the Red Sea, and an amphibious ship, the USS San Antonio, in the Eastern Mediterranean, which would help with any evacuations.
The U.S. military has also readied Marines and other assets to aid evacuation of diplomatic compounds if needed, and the State Department began making preparations last week for potential retaliation against U.S. embassies and other interests in the Middle East and North Africa.

The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards’ Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials.

In it, Mr. Soleimani said Shiite groups must be prepared to respond with force after a U.S. strike on Syria. Iranian officials didn’t respond to requests for comment.

U.S. officials said the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad was one likely target. The officials didn’t describe the range of potential targets indicated by the intelligence.

Militants also have used suicide bombers and IEDs to attack Americans leaving the embassy compound, one of the largest American diplomatic facilities in the world, located in Baghdad’s fortified Green Zone.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324144304578624104001847008.html

September 6th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Once again: From the Guardian

““For months the rebels have been around Maaloula but there has been a sort of an understanding with the residents that they would not enter,” Samia Elias, a resident who stayed in Maaloula during the fighting, told the Reuters news agency.

“To be fair, they do not seem to have touched churches or homes.””

September 6th, 2013, 9:02 pm

 

Syrian said:

Donana just like rev the dont read Arabic
This is from the comment section

Waheed Shama
لصورة من مركز التعليم الديني في كنيسة ام الزنار في حمص حي الحميدية
Like · 5 hours ago

That picture is from Homs that is being bombed relentlessly by chemical Assad

September 6th, 2013, 9:06 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Thank you. So the loyalists are using a picture from a church in Homs bombarded by the regime and post it as a picture of a destroyed church in Maalola.

These people nauseate me. They are beyond disgusting. They are buying and selling the blood of the Christ to advance their cause. This is a real filth. You people have no shame!

September 6th, 2013, 9:15 pm

 

Tara said:

The rebels are mostly moderate indeed.  As Mr. Kerry put it, I doubt that extremists constitute more than 10%.  A percentage we can easily deal with and neutralize in new Syria.  Can Aron Lund take a note?   

In a recently published report, ‘Syria’s military opposition: How effective, united or extremist?” the Washington Institute for Near East Policy paints, in broad terms, a vague picture of the “nature of rebel forces”:

The kaleidoscopic nature of the rebel forces makes generalizing about their quality and capabilities very difficult and puts a premium on detailed information about specific units … Some appear disciplined, well-armed, responsive to their commanders, and tactically competent. Others appear much less so, especially in terms of armament and tactical skill. The rebels come from all strata of Syrian society: wealthy and poor, urban and rural, secular and religious, tribal and urbanized, educated and uneducated, former military and civilian. Many units are local in origin, raised by local people for the defense of a town or village. Some are centered on defectors. Many are religious, though not necessarily radically religious, in orientation. While some Kurdish elements fight alongside them in Aleppo and some Kurds and, perhaps Christians, are in rebel formations, the rebels are overwhelmingly a Sunni Arab army. Rebel units are distributed across a broad ideological spectrum, with secular units at one pole and Salafi jihadists at the other, and most falling between the two. Over time the units have tended to become more Islamic, certainly in religious language, visual symbols, prayer, and general orientation. A major differentiation among Islamic units is between those that are Islamic with a national or Syrian agenda and those with a global jihadist mission.

Above summary from the Guardian 

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/PolicyFocus128WhiteTablerZelin.pdf

September 6th, 2013, 9:18 pm

 

Syrian said:

In the main time another MIG has been eliminated in Edlib and the dead pilot was one of the most hardens criminals in his service to chemical Assad and his father Said Mahfod
المجلس العسكري لثوار اللاذقيةه
المجرم الذي سقطت طائرته اليوم فوق جبل الاربعين في ادلب قد قتل والحمد لله وهو المجرم العميد الطيار قائدا سرب الميغ ا ســعــيــد مــحــفــوض وهو من جبلة-قرية عين شقاق

ومعروف انه قاد اغلب الهجمات على حلب وريفها وادلب وريفها وجمص وريف الاذقيه وهو مقرب جدا من عائلت الاسد المجرمه وكان من الذين كرمهم المجرم حاقظ الاسد لشده تفانيهم في خدمه العائله المجرمه

الى جهنم وبئس المصير

http://youtu.be/JMZyT6ii54E

September 6th, 2013, 9:20 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Hundreds of western peace activists, including from Britain and from the US, have volunteered to become “human shields” in government-held parts of Syria, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

September 6th, 2013, 9:27 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara
When did they ever post anything but filth?both DonAna and Rev from long time ago. They used to take FSA You Tube videos of the regime atrocities and change the titles and put their name on it as an atrocities of the FSA

September 6th, 2013, 9:33 pm

 

revenire said:

My friends in Damascus tell me that human shields from Western countries are arriving this weekend.

September 6th, 2013, 9:39 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is a small sample of how rebels treated Christians. That does not include father Paolo and the two kidnapped bishops:
(American Orthodox Institute)
Ancient Christian monasteries are being regularly plundered in Syria by anti-government forces. In May of this year, rebels attacked the 1500-year-old monastery of the Prophet Elijah near the city of Al-Qusayr. They stole the sacramental vessels, destroyed the altar and the baptismal font, blew up the bell tower, and knocked down the sacred statue of Elijah.
On June 23, a Syrian Catholic priest was murdered in a monastery in Gassanieh, Idlib. François Murad, 49, was a member of the Franciscans and lived a life of prayer at the monastery. Gunmen entered the monastery, plundered it, burned the building and executed Murad. Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the head of all Franciscans in the Holy Land, told the Vatican News Agency that “The world must know that the support of gunmen by the west is helping extremists in killing Syrians.”
On 27 May this year, the ‘Free Syrian Army’ raided the Christian-populated village of al-Duvair in Syria’s Western province of Homs. Arriving in the village they proceeded to massacre all its civilian residents, including women and children. The army of the Syrian government intervened to protect the Christians, but only after most of the population had been slaughtered.
On 11 June, a massacre was reported in the town of Hatlah, close to Deir el-Zour city. An organisation of armed militants converged on the town to ‘cleanse’ it. At least 60 people were slaughtered.
In other Christian villages, rebels have suddenly appeared and declared, “Flee or be killed.” With nowhere to go and little hope of finding employment, thousands of Christian families face little prospect of a hopeful future. Many have fled to refugee camps, though conditions there are little better since they make “soft targets” for criminals and Islamic thugs.

September 6th, 2013, 9:40 pm

 

Syrian said:

This a sample chemical Assad work
A film about Ghouta Massacre using chemical weapons. More than 1600 civilians died including about 400 children.
http://youtu.be/V8yheuQekMI

September 6th, 2013, 9:48 pm

 

Tara said:

ومازال الكذب مستمراَ!

Enough for me today. I received my fair share of tashbeeh.

September 6th, 2013, 9:49 pm

 

don said:

BROOKINGS INSTITUTION and SABIN CENTER = NEO CONS = Guess Who?

Obama employing think-tank plan to oust Assad?

Critics warn of war doctrine that threatens national sovereignty

Produced by the think tank’s Sabin Center in March 2012, “Middle East Memo #21,” titled “Saving Syria: Assessing Options for Regime Change,” proposed the United States should implement a policy aimed at destabilizing Syria with the explicitly stated goal of ousting the Assad regime.

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2012/3/15%20syria%20saban/0315_syria_saban.pdf

The authors’ underlying justification for removing the Assad regime was that it was engaging in acts of violence against civilians that violated international standards of human rights.

The memo, however, made clear that the real gain to be achieved in toppling Assad was not the humanitarian protection of the Syrian population but the removal from the Middle East of “Iran’s oldest and most important ally in the Arab world.”

The critics see the plan as a pretext designed to cover the real goal of destabilizing Syria to depose the Assad regime. The plan would provide weapons to rebel groups, combined with U.S. air attacks and the possibility of a U.S.-backed, internationally configured military invasion with ground troops.

The memo cautioned, however, that actually ousting Assad “will not be easy.”

Even after acknowledging the Free Syrian Army, or FSA, “is more a brand than a meaningful, united force,” the Brookings Institution memo proceeded on the premise the FSA is the rebel force the Obama administration should champion.

The memo proposed six strategies the U.S. “should consider to achieve Asad’s overthrow”:

1. Removing the Assad regime via diplomacy;

2. Coercing the regime via sanctions and diplomatic isolation;

3. Arming the Syrian opposition to overthrow the regime;

4. Engaging in a Libya-like air campaign to help an opposition army gain victory;

5. Invading Syria with U.S.-led forces and toppling the regime directly; and

6. Participating in a multilateral, NATO-led effort to oust Assad and rebuild Syria.

The four authors of the report include three from the Sabin Center for Middle East Policy, Daniel Byman, the director of research, along with Michael Doran and Kenneth M. Pollack, both senior fellows.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/obama-employing-think-tank-plan-to-oust-assad/

September 6th, 2013, 9:50 pm

 

SyrIan said:

His name is Ali, he is 4 years old. Unfortunately, he lost a leg due to the shelling of Assad regime.

Just imagine a 4 year old kid with an artificial limb trying to get accustomed to a new way of life, destroyed by Assad thugs.

This ugly war waged by a criminal against civilians necessitates an organised workshop to cater for the need of the wounded, or those who have lost a limb, especially children.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151676254338577&id=558523576&set=a.440596723576.200433.558523576&source=46&__user=100003131418721

September 6th, 2013, 10:00 pm

 

revenire said:

‘Syrian’ no one except the liars and collaborators on your side cares about your fake stories of children.

===

There is no room for any kind of bargaining, and there is no room for any discussion or debate. There is no room to listen to any collaborator touting the list of causes of war and the causers, and there is no room for those who cling to their opinions, positions, or labels, wearing bandanas on their foreheads after wearing blindfolds on their eyes, and joining forces with collaborators and takfiris.

To begin with, these people live on the crumbs thrown to them by the robbers of Arab resources and fortunes. They work for them and receive from them money and all kinds of support.

It is a duty for every capable person to fight these killers, wherever they may be, wherever there is a chance to take revenge against them, and punish all the traitors, one after the other, in their beds, behind their desks, inside their tanks, or in their palaces, whether they are alone, or among their families.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/resistance-our-destiny

September 6th, 2013, 10:03 pm

 
 

revenire said:

He’ll not have to worry about gas when the army finds him.

He’ll be shot.

September 6th, 2013, 10:19 pm

 

don said:

The fact that President Barack Obama has canceled his appearance at the AFL-CIO convention is no reason to ignore the challenge this new war poses

Open letter to the AFL-CIO leaders — Oppose war on Syria

Sept. 6 — At this critical moment, the number one priority for organized labor must be to publicly, unequivocally, and loudly oppose the president’s plans to attack Syria.

Understandably, the question of another war, this one against Syria, was likely not on the agenda of the AFL-CIO convention beginning this weekend in Los Angeles. Recent events, however, have changed everything and there’s no point in pretending that the situation is the same as before.

If the plans to attack Syria are denounced from the podium of the labor convention, this would mean that organized labor has risen to the challenge of becoming the militant, thoroughly progressive, independent movement of working people in the United States. Not to do it would reduce the leadership of the AFL-CIO to providing cover for the president’s war plans.

The fact that President Barack Obama has cancelled his appearance at the convention is no reason to ignore the challenge this new war poses.

The most important lesson from the last twelve years of war against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya — and other countries where people have been bombed by U.S. drones — is not just that George W. Bush was an evil liar and a war criminal. Of course Bush was that and more. It is a humiliating miscarriage of justice that Bush, Rumsfeld and all of the other architects of endless war are not in jail or on trial for premeditated mass murder.

The most important lesson from the recent past, however, is that when U.S. presidents order the Pentagon to unleash its awesome killing machine, this is not done for humanitarian reasons. Another lesson is that the sole purpose of the demonization of Saddam Hussein or Bashar al-Assad is to herd the reluctant U.S. population into supporting a criminal war.

The real objectives of the Pentagon’s wars are always to secure the empire and terrorize all who would dare to challenge U.S. imperialism. It is for the strategic and economic gains of the U.S. super rich. And it is always the working people and all the poor who pay the most for the war and make the greatest sacrifices.

Again, this is the real goal of war plans against Syria.

President Obama, who was elected to end endless war, once again is betraying those who elected him.

At home and across the world, virtually everyone is against war on Syria.

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/09/06/open-letter-afl-cio-leaders-oppose-war-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 10:20 pm

 

Syrian said:

Yeah Rev. Really funny
A guy from Chicago putting a Lebanese news paper editorial about Syria. Threatening and barking.
Go get a life.

September 6th, 2013, 10:24 pm

 

don said:

Women speak out against U.S. intervention in Syria

The U.S. Senate’s recent approval of a punitive missile strike on Syria constitutes a direct act of aggression masquerading as humanitarian action. Despite widespread opposition from the international community and lack of authorization from the United Nations, the U.S. remains hell-bent on attacking Syria, even as reports show that Syrian rebels funded by the Saudi government — a close U.S. ally — were the ones responsible for the March 19 simultaneous chemical assaults in Aleppo and Ataybah, which left approximately 26 people including 16 Syrian soldiers dead, with 86 more seriously injured.

Indeed, the Obama administration’s obstinacy in waging war on Syria is reminiscent of Iraq, where the supposed existence of weapons of mass destruction was used to justify gross violations of national sovereignty and the people’s right to self-determination. Contrary to their claims of protecting civilians and upholding democracy, history has unveiled the devastating consequences of U.S. military aggression, including rampant human rights violations such as rape, torture, detention and murder of innocent civilians.

As thousands of Syrians continue to flee the capital in fear of foreign military airstrikes, the real motive of the U.S. becomes clearer — to advance its own geopolitical and economic agenda in the region, particularly to gain control of the country’s massive oil reserves. Syria has one of the biggest conventional reserves of crude oil in the eastern Mediterranean, and exploration opportunities have largely been limited to Russia, making it especially vital to U.S. interests.

U.S., keep your hands off Syria!

Women, girls and children remain as the most vulnerable sectors in times of conflict and this most recent act of aggression by the U.S. will undoubtedly cause untold suffering for thousands of Syrian women, girls and children who will be displaced, harassed, violated, deprived of basic necessities, injured or even killed as they are caught in the crossfire.

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/09/06/women-speak-u-s-intervention-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 10:32 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

The rootless entity presently known as “Don” seems to think this photo on Facebook represents a Maloula church damaged by rebel bandits. It is not. The same picture has been appearing in Kremlin-run media since at least May of this year.

I know that the war party will swallow anything and invent anything that supports exaggerated charges against the darker-complected Other, but I advise using image-comparison software to test claims using images. I recommend the tools at TinEye.com to find the first appearance of this image: http://www.tineye.com/search/ceade0f7de160a1960d527f3fe78c65251d287aa/?sort=crawl_date&order=asc**

It is instructive how many here have become ardent experts in American politics, electoral psychology and law. Some are inside Obama’s mind as well as the future. Yet they fail to assemble a coherent narrative, again. By loading on the unnecessary BS, they undercut their larger project. If the war party is winning, if the demi-god Assad is going to be on the throne till doomsday, if the rats and heart-eating nusra monsters will all be vanquished, what’s with the pot beating and hysteria? What’s with the war-lust? Assad seems relatively stable and confident, at least in his TV appearances. Why not the regimists here? There is nothing to fear.

It is not so amazing how many crank websites and war-gossip blogs are currently cited by the hooded ones. In an attempt to support the claims about false-flag Alawi-kid kidnap chemotherapy performed by the rebel side, anything goes except credible analysis.

____________

** regarding the Facebook photo illustrating a presumed destruction of churches in Maloula, did Assadforever acolytes not ask themselves why over two millennia the christians of Maloula had not moved beyond plain plastered breezeblocks and lawn chairs and paint by numbers Virgin portrait? For all that they would have us believe they are sons of Syria, how could they be so easily gulled by this photo?

September 6th, 2013, 10:38 pm

 

revenire said:

Fake Syrian you have no idea where I am or who I am.

You can dismiss the Lebanese editorial. I don’t care.

I believe the Resistance will carry out their promises.

September 6th, 2013, 10:48 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is getting more interesting by the minute:

BEIRUT — Rebel Islamist groups are expressing opposition to U.S. strikes against the Syrian regime, putting them at odds with the leadership of the mainstream Free Syrian Army and underscoring the deep rifts within Syria’s opposition that threaten to complicate future efforts to end to the war.
The leading hard-line Islamist group in northern Syria issued a statement on its Facebook page cautioning its followers against supporting U.S. intervention, saying it would only serve American interests and not the cause of those seeking to topple President Bashar al-Assad.
The Syrian Islamic Front, which is dominated by the Salafist Ahrar al-Sham group, stopped short of directly opposing American intervention in Syria’s 21 / 2-year-old conflict, which many in the opposition hope would accelerate the fall of Assad’s regime. But, the group warned on its Facebook page, the true goal of U.S. attacks would be to “advance the interests of the perpetrators.”
Another gathering of smaller Islamist groups issued a video condemning outright the threatened strikes, which the Obama administration has said are needed to deter further use of chemical weapons after hundreds of people were killed in the suburbs of Damascus in a poison gas attack widely blamed on government forces.
“We reject Western military intervention in Syria and consider it a new aggression against Muslims,” said a group of fighters who identified themselves as representatives of eight “jihadi brigades,” according to a video posted on YouTube.

September 6th, 2013, 10:57 pm

 

Observer said:

how racist indeed to tout the democratic travails in the West and denying it to common Syrians back home.

how racist indeed for outrage to come forward when it involves minorities and callous disregard when it involves the common Syrian back home.

how about the news that HA and Iran and Syria have established a joint command structure and that Iran is prepared to use its strategic missile forces and that Syria is aiming to target Turkey Jordan and Israel and that intercepted communications show the Iranians ordering attacks on US installations in Iraq.

I am rooting for a response by the axis of resistance and I rooting for a big regional war and I am rooting for missiles to rain on Israeli cities and Turkish airbases and Cypriot airbases and for Putin to join in and send his Sptenatz to boot.

I pray and hope that they finally put their money where their mouth is. I also hope the Congress votes down intervention for this will mean arming the rebels and allowing weapons to reach them and they can finish the job.

Please though for those cheering democracy in action in the West why don’t we ask the Iranian people whether they are for intervention in Syria? Or ask the Lebanese whether HA should be able to send fighters to Syria? How about asking the Syrian people what type of government they want?

News are that the Maliki proposal to get the stooge leave is a non starter.

I hope and pray that the regime responds against Israel if attacked.

Break the stupid place up. Read this post, all of sudden there is a whole post about Maloola and not a single post about many areas devastated by the regime.

I see the ME explode and implode and continue to be ruled by none other than barbaric regimes from Sissi to Abdullah to iPad Ray Ban to Saddam to Maliki and to the Algerian junta and the families with flags in the UAE and Qatar and the stooge in Oman and the Sudanese buffoon.

September 6th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

revenire said:

Is the circus in town?

September 6th, 2013, 11:13 pm

 

don said:

Pope Francis takes on Obama

Head of Syrian Catholics says U.S. strike would be ‘criminal’

NEW YORK – Pope Francis and the head of the Catholic Church in Syria have decided to take on President Obama, with both issuing direct appeals for the United States not to launch a military strike on Syria.

To thousands of the faithful assembled below, he said: “My heart is deeply wounded by what is happening in Syria and anguished by the dramatic developments” on the horizon, an apparent reference to the reports that the U.S. and France were considering a military strike to punish the Syrian regime for a chemical weapons attack.

Francis was joined by Gregory III, the head of the Greek Catholic Church, who said the U.S. launching a military strike on Syria would constitute “a criminal act” that would “reap more victims” as Islamic jihadists continue to flow into Syria.

Gregory III, the patriarch of Antioch, who oversees the Melkite Greek Catholic Church in Syria and Lebanon, said:

We must listen to the pope’s appeal for peace in Syria. If Western countries want to create true democracy then they must build it on reconciliation, through dialogue between Christians and Muslims, not with weapons. This attack being planned by the United States is a criminal act, which will only reap more victims, in addition to the tens of thousands of these two years of war. This will destroy the Arab world’s trust in the West.

What or who have led Syria to this thin red line, this point of no return? Who created this hell in which our people have been living for months? Every day, Islamic extremists from all over the world are pouring into Syria with the sole intent to kill and not one country has done anything to stop them; even the U.S. has decided to send in more weapons. We renew our rejection of any foreign military intervention in the Syrian crisis.

Following Francis’ lead, Cardinal Dolan of New York and leaders of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, or USCCB, wrote to every member of Congress on Thursday, urging them to vote against military intervention in Syria, Time magazine reported.

The Catholic bishops stressed their longstanding position that the Syrian people need a political solution.

“We ask the United States to work urgently and tirelessly with other governments to obtain a cease-fire, initiate serious negotiations, provide impartial humanitarian assistance, and encourage efforts to build an inclusive society in Syria that protects the rights of all its citizens, including Christians and other minorities,” the bishops wrote.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/pope-francis-takes-on-obama/

September 6th, 2013, 11:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

A friend asked me to repost this:

There is proof the footage of the alleged chemical attack in Syria was fabricated, Mother Agnes Mariam el-Salib, mother superior of St. James Monastery in Qara, Syria, told RT. She says she is about to submit her findings to the UN.
Mother Agnes, a catholic nun, who has been living in Syria for 20 years and has been reporting actively on what has been going on in the war-ravaged country, says she carefully studied the video featuring allegedly victims of the chemical weapons attack in the Syrian village of Guta in August and now questions its authenticity. 
In her interview with RT, Mother Agnes doubts so much footage could have been taken in so little time, and asks where parents of the supposedly dead children are. She promises to send her report to the UN. 
The nun is indignant with the world media for apparently turning a blind eye to the Latakia massacre by rebel extremists, which left 500 civilians including women and children dead.
( I hope the report that Obama called Putin a ” jackass” at a joint press conference is just bad humor and not true)

September 6th, 2013, 11:34 pm

 

don said:

World Leaders refuse to back Obama on Syria

US president faces uphill battle to secure congressional approval for intervention

Russian president Vladimir Putin, Mr Obama’s host at the St Petersburg summit, said that a majority of political leaders opposed military strikes against Syria without the approval of the United Nations.

French president François Hollande, who has strongly supported joining the US in military strikes against Assad, put further pressure on Mr Obama, stepping back from immediate action.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/leaders-refuse-to-back-obama-on-syria-1.1519031

September 6th, 2013, 11:37 pm

 
 

Syrian said:

A friend asked me to say this
Now we are supposed to believe a known lier over doctors without borders?

September 6th, 2013, 11:52 pm

 

don said:

99% of Calls to Congress Are AGAINST War in Syria

On the heels of Reuters poll showing only 9% support military action.

Millions of Americans are completely overloading the phone lines of Congress in a historical, unprecedented response to shut down the Obama war machine.

This comes in the wake of the recent Reuters poll that found only 9% of respondents back Obama in his quest for a military strike on Syria.

Here’s a sample run-down of statements made by House and Senate members showcasing the almost unanimous opposition from their constituents for a war in Syria:

http://www.infowars.com/99-of-calls-to-congress-against-war-in-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 11:52 pm

 

don said:

Austin Texas Protest Syrian War Lies

September 6th, 2013, 11:58 pm

 

Syrian said:

The leaders of the Syrian Christian churches are not doing their communities any favors by standing with the regime and spreading lies about the FSA fighters,
Now if Obama donot go through with the strike, a lot of the moderate fighters will lose hope of any help from the west and they will join radical groups,they will hold them accountable later they will not hold their fire at Christians neighborhood any more nor will they leave Ma’oloula intact the next time they go through town,
All false reporting so far about attacks and destructions will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

September 7th, 2013, 12:16 am

 

don said:

Syria War Opposition Goes Viral: Americans Expose Graham’s “S.C. Nuke Threat” As War Mongering

In yet another example of the emerging power of alternative media, Americans are openly rejecting Sen. Lindsey Graham’s “us vs. them” rhetoric that if the U.S. doesn’t attack Syria, terrorists could nuke South Carolina.

In an article by CBS Charlotte, Graham said that if the U.S. doesn’t proceed with military action against the Russian-backed Assad regime, Iran will not take “America’s resolve” to stop their nuclear weapons program seriously.

As a result, Graham said, terrorists could easily detonate a nuclear device in Charleston Harbor.

http://www.infowars.com/syria-backlash-to-sen-grahams-nuke-threat-spreads-as-opposition-to-war-goes-viral/

September 7th, 2013, 12:19 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know and not get confused by known fabricators and cheap propagandists, our most knowledgeable and highly reliable sources decided to release this very important heads up and put you in the picture of what really went on in St. Petersburg.

Yes, Mr. Obama called Putin a jackass straight to the face and also jabbed a finger towards him, while Putin was stone-faced all the time during the ten minute dressing down he received from Mr. Obama.

“Everyone here thinks you are a jackass”. Obama said to Putin while the press corps was listening and recording every word and taking pictures.

“Look, I’m not just talking about Snowden and Syria,” Mr. Obama said. “What about Pussy Riot? What about your anti-gay laws? Total jackass moves, my friend.”

“If you think I’m the only one who feels this way, you’re kidding yourself,” Mr. Obama said, jabbing his finger in the direction of the Russian President’s face. “Ask Angela Merkel. Ask David Cameron. Ask the Turkish guy. Every last one of them thinks you’re a dick.”

Mr. Putin would only admit that he is a real bear afterwards. He released a terse official statement, reading, “I should be afraid of this skinny man? I wrestle bears.”

May be everyone should go home. All the G20 members agreed on the last statement, as an official closing statement, just one day after the meeting.

Looks like no one enjoyed Russian hospitality!

September 7th, 2013, 12:27 am

 

don said:

Rodney Alexander opposes action against Syria

One of 5th District U.S. Rep. Rodney Alexander’s final votes in Congress will be against using U.S. military force against Syria, he told The News-Star.

“I hate what’s going on over there and what’s happening to the Syrian people, but I’m not convinced it’s a national threat to us,” Alexander said. “We’ve found ourselves in trouble in the past when we’ve become involved in other countries’ conflicts.

“I think we need to be very cautious before we begin meddling in other people’s business.”

http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20130906/NEWS01/309050055

September 7th, 2013, 12:29 am

 

revenire said:

No Syrian Christians will stand with Nusra. That is insane.

Are you thinking okay “Syrian”? You sound nuts to me.

September 7th, 2013, 12:30 am

 

revenire said:

Heads-Up >

G20 ENDS ABRUPTLY AS OBAMA CALLS PUTIN A JACKASS
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/09/g20-ends-abruptly-as-obama-calls-putin-a-jackass.html

In the real world the SAA bagged 467 terrorists today. No prisoners were taken. The SAA is saving space in Syrian prisons for special guests once the war starts.

September 7th, 2013, 12:35 am

 

don said:

The Era of Disbelief

This is a particularly bad time to sell the American people a war, and make no mistake: we are being sold, and this “military action,” in another time and place — and in some quarters, here and now — would be called an act of war.

Americans are not only weary of war, they’re weary of the politicians who commit us to it.

According to Gallup, only 10 percent of Americans now have a “great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress, a record low since Gallup started tracking the measure in 1973.

Only 36 percent have the same level of confidence in the presidency.

Furthermore, the degree to which Americans trust the government in Washington to do the right thing at least most of the time has tanked since peaking in the jingoistic, post-9/11, post-traumatic-stress era.

People are questioning everything — as they should. Are we absolutely sure of the evidence? Are there no options other than military options? Can we be guaranteed that we won’t face retaliation and that we won’t be drawn into a protracted engagement? Will bombing ease the refugee crisis or exacerbate it? Is this really about sending a message to Syria about its use of chemical weapons, or is Syria just a proxy, a small state on which we can make a big statement, a way for us to send a signal to others that our word is absolute? Is this an act of humanitarianism or militarism?

And what do we hope to accomplish? The president has said that he’s not interested in regime change with this action, and many fear that deposing Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, at this moment could cause more problems than it would solve. We are wary of terrorist elements within the opposition who would love to get their hands on Syria’s weapons. In this community of thought, the Syrian civil war is a war among demons with few angels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/opinion/blow-the-era-of-disbelief.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

September 7th, 2013, 12:47 am

 

Syrian said:

Rev.
Same as chemical Bashar did at the start. When it was only popular demonstrations. He said if it they want war I welcome it, that was a self fulfilling prophecy that came to pass.
Now all the lies about the destructions and attacks, like the fake photo donAnn posted among many other lies.Will also might very well come to pass

September 7th, 2013, 12:54 am

 

Ghufran said:

Dear Christians ,
You have nothing to fear, what you read below is fabrications.
Sincerely,
Islamist thugs

DALGA, Egypt –  The Coptic Orthodox priest would only talk to his visitor after hiding from the watchful eyes of the bearded Muslim outside, who sported a pistol bulging from under his robe.
So Father Yoannis moved behind a wall in the charred skeleton of an ancient monastery to describe how it was torched by Islamists and then looted when they took over this southern Egyptian town following the ouster of the country’s president.
“The fire in the monastery burned intermittently for three days. The looting continued for a week. At the end, not a wire or an electric switch is left,” Yoannis told The Associated Press. The monastery’s 1,600-year-old underground chapel was stripped of ancient icons and the ground was dug up on the belief that a treasure was buried there.
“Even the remains of ancient and revered saints were disturbed and thrown around,” he said.
A town of some 120,000 — including 20,000 Christians — Dalga has been outside government control since hard-line supporters of the Islamist Mohammed Morsi drove out police and occupied their station on July 3, the day Egypt’s military chief removed the president in a popularly supported coup. It was part of a wave of attacks in the southern Minya province that targeted Christians, their homes and businesses.
Since then, the radicals have imposed their grip on Dalga, twice driving off attempts by the army to send in armored personnel carriers by showering them with gunfire.

September 7th, 2013, 12:57 am

 

don said:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz plans to vote ‘no’ on Syria attacks

SALT LAKE CITY — Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, warned Friday that the United States launching missile strikes against Syria means going to war against the Middle Eastern country.

“That’s what it is. Don’t think that we’re just going to lob some Tomahawk missiles in there and call it a day and say, ‘Hey, we did our part.’ I don’t think it ends with that,” the congressman said.

“At this point, my constituents don’t want to see us go to war in Syria, and neither do I,” the 3rd District representative said. Of the 1,000 telephone calls and emails his office has received about Syria, only three were in favor of the strikes, Chaffetz said.

Chaffetz said he will listen to the case the president makes and continue to review intelligence reports on the situation, but he doesn’t expect to see “a clear and present danger” to the United States.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=960&sid=26754546&fm=most_popular

September 7th, 2013, 1:00 am

 
 

Syrian said:

Egypt comment room is at the end of the hall next to the clogged bathroom.

September 7th, 2013, 1:09 am

 

Syrian said:

The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
النظام استهدف 33 كنسية وهناك كنائس قصفت أكثر من مره المجموعات المسلحة استهدفت كنسيتن بالمحصلة بيطلع أنه النظام هو حامي الأقليات !!

وكالة (آكي) الإيطالية للأنباء

اتهمت الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان النظام في سورية بـ”إستهداف الأماكن الدينية المسيحية، وأعلنت أنها وثٌقت قصف النظام السوري لـ 33 كنيسة على الأقل في مختلف أنحاء البلاد منذ انطلاق الثورة” قبل نحو ثلاثين شهراً.

وأشارت الشبكة إلى أن “قوات النظام استهدفت خلال عمليات القصف اليومية على مختلف المدن والمحافظات السورية منذ بداية الثورة 33 كنيسة وتراوحت الأضرار مابين متضررة جزئياً أو بشكل كبير”.

وأوضحت الشبكة أن الكنائس التي استهدفتها القوات الحكومية شملت 10 كنائس محافظة حمص، و7 في محافظة حلب و5 في محافظة دمشق و5 في محافظة دير الزور و3 في محافظة اللاذقية واثنتان في محافظة إدلب وواحدة في محافظة الرقة.

ونوّهت الشبكة بأن القوات الحكومية “لم تميز بين دين وآخر في عمليات قصفها”، وذكّرت بأن “هذه القوات دمّرت 1451 مسجداً وأكثر من 3700 مدرسة وقرابة الـ 270 مشفى، ليصبح مجموع ما تم تدميره في سورية (منزل، مدرسة، كنيسة، مسجد ومشفى) قرابة الـ 3 مليون مبنى من بينها أكثر من 850 ألف منزل مدمرة بشكل شبه كامل“

Syrian Network for Human Rights الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان

September 7th, 2013, 1:28 am

 

don said:

BREAKING NEWS

Syria resolution likely to fail, Lindsey Graham says

GREENVILLE, S.C. — South Carolina’s senior senator continued to argue for U.S. military intervention in Syria in a speech to 300 Chamber of Commerce members here while acknowledging his position is unpopular with voters.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., also said Congress is not likely to authorize a strike, predicting a close vote in the Senate where the resolution is likely to come up next week and a larger margin in the House where the timing is less certain.

Graham, whose three opponents in next year’s Republican primary are all on record against U.S. action, said he understands Americans are war weary and reluctant to battle again in the Middle East.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/06/syria-south-carolina-lunch/2777445/

September 7th, 2013, 1:31 am

 

sf94123 said:

Obama will not use force against Syria without Congress’ support: adviser-
“The president of course has the authority to act, but it’s neither his desire nor his intention to use that authority absent Congress backing him,” deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken told National Public Radio.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/06/us-syria-crisis-usa-obama-idUSBRE9850N420130906

September 7th, 2013, 2:23 am

 
 

Juergen said:

History repeats itself

Syria: western activists volunteer to become ‘human shields’
Hundreds of western peace activists, including from Britain and from the US, have volunteered to become “human shields” in government-held parts of Syria, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10292367/Syria-western-activists-volunteer-to-become-human-shields.html

September 7th, 2013, 3:19 am

 
 

Badr said:

“A friend asked me to repost this”

Translation: I hate to admit I believe this myself.

September 7th, 2013, 3:45 am

 

apple_mini said:

Let us review what the opposition have said about growing number and influence of the radical Islamists.

They always accuse the regime being the cause. Even gave us the conspiracy that the regime hired those extremists.

Reluctance of the west to provide direct military supports and intervention are also used to attribute to the aggravated extremism problem.

Then Kerry said during senator hearing the rebels are getting more moderate now. It is time to help them more.

Now we have a speaker for the rebels here threatening that the rebels will be feeling very devasted if US does not intervene and the rebels can only get more radical. We even get a veiled threat against Syrian Christians.

You gotta admire those shameless backward thugs.

Thanks to the latest NYtimes article about the brutality among the so-called moderate rebels. Millions of Americans watched the chilling and graphic video. This is golden time to expose the true face of the rebels since so many Americans are showing interest about Syria conflict and they want to know more what exactly those rebels are.

September 7th, 2013, 5:36 am

 
 
 
 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

SC is becoming a blog for lies, Ghufran decided to repost his lies several times,blatant lies by Revenir and Don and others,their lies exposed yet they continue to lie.
There has to be a punishment for lying, lying is evil,this blog will lose its credibility if lies are allowed to continue.
Mr. Barber admitted the comment section is embarrassment,yet nothing is done to stop the lies
Buthaina Shaaban decided to join the club of lying, she made the biggest lie.no shame anymore.there is no limit to their lies.they compete ,who will lie more.
Their religion is religion of lies, they call it Dissimulation, Taqiyyeh

September 7th, 2013, 7:35 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ali Redha Farqani threatened Obama, he said he will kidnap Obama daughters ,to rape them and kill them, AlArabiyeh said

September 7th, 2013, 7:52 am

 

Juergen said:

That is a real evolution, back in 2003 Saddams useful idiots rounded up around hospitals and schools, cant wait to see Syrian state tv show us human shields around the state tv building, at bait ul shaab and Maze military airport. I get bored by the left wing pacifists who board planes once a new dictator faces his fate.

September 7th, 2013, 8:09 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

سويسرا ترفض استقبال نجل الطاغية الاسد في مدارسها

نشرت الصحف السويسرية خبراً مفاده عدم قبول حافظ نجل الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد في المدارس الحكومية والخاصة في سويسرا.

وقالت سويسرا ” اذا قبلنا حافظ في المدارس السويسرية سوف يتسبب لنا بمشاكل مع الطلاب الاخرين الاجانب او العرب المقيمين هنا، ولقد تم رفضه تماما في سويسرا”.
Assad son Hafiz was denied admission to enroll in Switzerland schools
Asma is worried about Hafiz education,and the enviroment in Syria is not good for him

September 7th, 2013, 8:15 am

 

Juergen said:

Syrian state Tv gets more and more pathetic, endless watani programms. half of whats shown is no longer, destroyed by the Assad mafia.

http://www.teledunet.com/Index.php?channel=syria#

September 7th, 2013, 8:21 am

 

zoo said:

#275 Juergen

I guess you prefer they’d show Kafranbel cartoons?

We are waiting for more of them as you are their impresario

September 7th, 2013, 8:34 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

Thanks for expressing openly your disgusting racist beliefs that lying is part of the religion of the Alawites and Shias.
Then you dare talk about morals..
The trouble is that you are too primitive to be even aware that you are a racist.

September 7th, 2013, 8:41 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

“SC is becoming a blog for lies,”

I agree, your contribution to lies, false rumors, racist remarks and absurd predictions is greatly appreciated.

September 7th, 2013, 8:43 am

 

revenire said:

Kerry Fails to Sway European Skeptics on Urgency of Syria Strike

Secretary of State John Kerry failed to sway his European counterparts on the urgency of a U.S.-led military strike to halt the use of chemical weapons in Syria’s 2 1/2-year civil war.

France, the principal U.S. ally in a possible assault, signed on to a European Union declaration to put off an armed response until the United Nations delivers a report on last month’s use of chemical agents in a massacre near Damascus.

“The EU underscores at the same time the need to move forward with addressing the Syrian crisis through the UN process,” the 28-nation bloc’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton told reporters after EU foreign ministers met Kerry in Vilnius, Lithuania.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-09-07/kerry-fails-to-sway-european-skeptics-on-urgency-of-syria-strike

September 7th, 2013, 8:46 am

 

revenire said:

Majed easy fix for you – leave (and take your bloodthirsty friends with you).

September 7th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

revenire said:

Juergen who cares about their TV? You sound like an old woman complaining about her husband. Endless moaning.

At least Syrian media doesn’t lie like German media does.

September 7th, 2013, 8:50 am

 
 

zoo said:

While Europe, obviously unconvinced of the identity of the chemical attack perpetrators, wants to wait for the official UN report before taking any ‘strong action’, the USA administration, under heavy pressure by the Israeli and Saudi lobbies is in a hurry. It probably fears that the momentum may fall or more doubts will emerge that would contradict the running propaganda and derail the process.
One wonders why curiously Europe does not seem worried about another imminent chemical weapons attack predicted by the opposition.

Kerry Fails to Sway European Skeptics on Urgency of Syria Strike

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-07/kerry-fails-to-sway-european-skeptics-on-urgency-of-syria-strike.html

Secretary of State John Kerry failed to sway his European counterparts on the urgency of a U.S.-led military strike to halt the use of chemical weapons in Syria’s 2 1/2-year civil war.

France, the principal U.S. ally in a possible assault, signed on to a European Union declaration to put off an armed response until the United Nations delivers a report on last month’s use of chemical agents in a massacre near Damascus.

“The EU underscores at the same time the need to move forward with addressing the Syrian crisis through the UN process,” the 28-nation bloc’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton told reporters after EU foreign ministers met Kerry in Vilnius, Lithuania.

U.S. setbacks in securing international backing for targeted strikes on Syria’s war-making capability were matched by President Barack Obama’s trouble at home in persuading Congress to authorize an American intervention.

September 7th, 2013, 8:56 am

 

zoo said:

There is not yet proofs beyond any doubts on the perpetrators identity and the chain of command of the chemical attack.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/169705/

The European Union’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said on Saturday, Sept 7, the EU’s 28 nations agreed that available information seemed to show strong evidence that the Syrian government perpetrated a chemical attack in August, Reuters reported.

Ashton was speaking at the end of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius, where they discussed the situation in Syria and Europe’s response.

Meanwhile, with the United States threatening to attack Syria, U.S. and allied intelligence services are still trying to work out who ordered the poison gas attack on rebel-held neighborhoods near Damascus.

No direct link to President Bashar al-Assad or his inner circle has been publicly demonstrated, and some U.S. sources say intelligence experts are not sure whether the Syrian leader knew of the attack before it was launched or was only informed about it afterward.

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the August 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital.

It is one of the biggest gaps in U.S. understanding of the incident, even as Congress debates whether to launch limited strikes on Assad’s forces in retaliation.

After wrongly claiming that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction before the 2003 U.S. invasion, the U.S. intelligence community, along with the Obama administration, are trying to build as solid a case as they can about what it says was a sarin nerve gas attack that killed over 1,400 people.

One possible link between the gas attack and Assad’s inner circle is the Syrian government body that is responsible for producing chemical weapons, U.S. and allied security sources say, according to Reuters.

Personnel associated with the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Council (SSRC), which has direct ties to Assad’s entourage, were likely involved in preparing munitions in the days before the attack, they say. Much of the U.S. claim that Assad is responsible was initially based on reports from witnesses, non-governmental groups and hours of YouTube videos.

U.S. officials have not presented any evidence to the public of scientific samples or intelligence information proving that sarin gas was used or that the Syrian government used it.

The United States has also not named any Syrian commanders it thinks gave the green light to fire gas-laden rockets into Ghouta.

September 7th, 2013, 9:06 am

 

zoo said:

Maaloula still under fire.
Didn’t the SNC said that the fighters have withdrawn?

http://newsok.com/syrian-regime-shelling-near-damascus-kills-16/article/feed/587927


The group also reported heavy fighting between rebels and troops loyal to President Bashar Assad around the Christian village of Maaloula. The rebel advance into the area that began on Monday was reportedly spearheaded by al-Qaida-linked fighters, exacerbating fears among Syrians and religious minorities in particular that Islamic extremists are playing an increasingly important role in the rebellion.

Fighters from the Western-backed Free Syrian Army have also participated in battles around Maaloula, destroying two government checkpoints near the town earlier this week, according to a statement by the main opposition coalition on Friday.

September 7th, 2013, 9:11 am

 

revenire said:

Someone told me that the FSA is beheading Christians Ma’loula.

September 7th, 2013, 9:15 am

 
 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, a very important heads up was made available to us by our most knowledgeable and highly reliable sources. We make it available for release based on their request.

Secretary John Kerry succeeded in bringing Germany on board while meeting with EU ministers in Vilinius, Lithuania. German foreign minister, Guido Westrewelle, announced his government’s support for strong and decisive response from the international community against Criminal Pervert.

Twelve European countries are now in full support of decisive strikes against the regime of Crimes Unlimited.

Considering the Turkish and Arab partners of the coalition, It looks like that the key states on this planet are all in agreement on the need to take action. Rogue nations are rogue by definition. Just so you may know.

September 7th, 2013, 9:36 am

 

revenire said:

Majed you never provided me any PROOF that U.S. generals supported a war with Syria. I will provide you some PROOF they don’t.

Majed I am sure the U.S. military would have you arrested on terrorism charges if they were in charge instead of Al-Qaeda ally Obama.

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U.S. military planners don’t support war with Syria
A war the Pentagon doesn’t want

The tapes tell the tale. Go back and look at images of our nation’s most senior soldier, Gen. Martin Dempsey, and his body language during Tuesday’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Syria. It’s pretty obvious that Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, doesn’t want this war. As Secretary of State John Kerry’s thundering voice and arm-waving redounded in rage against Bashar al-Assad’s atrocities, Dempseywas largely (and respectfully) silent.

Dempsey’s unspoken words reflect the opinions of most serving military leaders. By no means do I profess to speak on behalf of all of our men and women in uniform. But I can justifiably share the sentiments of those inside the Pentagon and elsewhere who write the plans and develop strategies for fighting our wars. After personal exchanges with dozens of active and retired soldiers in recent days, I feel confident that what follows represents the overwhelming opinion of serving professionals who have been intimate witnesses to the unfolding events that will lead the United States into its next war.

They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-military-planners-dont-support-war-with-syria/2013/09/05/10a07114-15bb-11e3-be6e-dc6ae8a5b3a8_story.html

September 7th, 2013, 9:37 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

troll is nothing but a bag of gas

September 7th, 2013, 9:40 am

 

revenire said:

Umm…

“Just over half of the G20 states signed up to a statement calling for a ‘strong’ response to last month’s alleged chemical attack,” Agence France-Presse reports. “France, the only EU nation to have offered to take part in an attack, was one of four European states — with Britain, Italy and Spain — among the 11 nations that signed the statement.”

That group did not include Germany. But the nation did join in the European Union’s blaming of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad Saturday, the AP reports.

September 7th, 2013, 9:41 am

 

revenire said:

Syria Vote May Be Delayed in House as Leaders Fear Major Defeat
Congressional Black Caucus Warned Against Criticizing War
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/09/06/syria-vote-may-be-delayed-in-house-as-leaders-fear-major-defeat/

September 7th, 2013, 9:43 am

 
 

revenire said:

American “freedom” in action:

Congressional Black Caucus instructed to hold tongue on Syria

WASHINGTON — As an increasing number of African-American lawmakers voice dissent over the Obama administration’s war plans in Syria, the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus has asked members to “limit public comment” on the issue until they are briefed by senior administration officials.

A congressional aide to a caucus member called the request “eyebrow-raising,” in an interview with FP, and said the request was designed to quiet dissent while shoring up support for President Barack Obama’s Syria strategy.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/congressional-black-caucus-instructed-to-hold-tongue-on-syria-1.239706

September 7th, 2013, 9:45 am

 

revenire said:

G-20 Ends, EU Declares ‘No Military Solution’ to Syria
Echoes Russian Calls for Diplomatic Solution Through UN
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/09/06/g-20-ends-eu-declares-no-military-solution-to-syria/

September 7th, 2013, 9:46 am

 
 

revenire said:

The world stands with Syria. No one can call millions of Americans, Europeans, Ibero-Americans, Africans and Asians Assad regime agents.

If this is really about freedom and the voice of the people why doesn’t Obama listen to his people? The overwhelming majority of Americans are against this war.

Congressmen tell us the calls are 100 to 1 against it.

I understand the weak Obama regime wants to put off the vote to try to get more support. What is the coward waiting for? Is he afraid?

Assad has more support in America than Obama does. That is just a simple fact.

September 7th, 2013, 9:58 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir , Now, is blatant in his lies and joined by Zoo,
Zoo said FSA is back in Maaloula, yet if you read what he wrote the fight is outside Maaloula.

Revenir
General Dempsey said :Free my hands I will do more destruction of Assad army in Syria,
There is nothing the military generals like more than they show their power, they like to use cruise missiles

Revenir said
FSA attacking churches, another flagrant lie, flouting morality is his style,it is his religion,,he belongs to the party of lies

September 7th, 2013, 9:58 am

 

revenire said:

Nonsense Majed. Dempsey has been against war with Syria from the very start.

Provide me a link with a quote from him.

Generals do not like war at all. You’re totally insane. You’re a terrorist backer.

September 7th, 2013, 9:59 am

 

Syrian said:

The nytimes issues correction on Syrian rebel story
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/09/06/new_york_times_issues_correction_on_syrian_rebel_story
“But the Syrian Support Group, a Washington-based advocate for more aggressive U.S. intervention in Syria, said Issa and his group, Jund al-Sham, has no connection to the Supreme Military Council and never did, in a statement to The Cable:”

“Sometime after the SSG issued this statement to The Cable, the Times posted a correction to its article noting that the execution video was not from this year. In fact, it was “made in the spring of 2012,” according to a correction at the bottom of the article. In a statement to The Cable, the SSG’s media director Dan Layman said the correction further vindicated the group’s point. “The Times just corrected their article to show the time stamp on the video was the spring of 2012. Before the SMC even existed,” said Layman.”

“In any event, Layman and other members of the opposition lobby say presenting the year-old video in the middle of the Congressoinal debate over authorizing war was tendentious. “It really suggests how they’re willing to sacrifice truth for their own anti-war sentiments,” he said, referring to the newspaper.”

September 7th, 2013, 10:11 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
If yo watched the minutes of senate committee you will find it,

Revenir can you show me a quote where any active general said he is against the strike? if you show where Dempsey said he is against the strike, please show it.
There is nothing to support your lie, have shame, if you have any

September 7th, 2013, 10:15 am

 

revenire said:

You’re out of your mind Majed.

Dempsey has long warned of going to war with Syria:

Gen. Martin Dempsey Warns U.S. Intervention in Syria Will Trigger Wider War
Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff: Intervening on behalf of rebels risks widening conflict
http://freebeacon.com/gen-martin-dempsey-warns-u-s-intervention-in-syria-will-trigger-wider-war/

Gen Martin Dempsey Warns Not To Strike Syria: US Not Ready, A Fools Errand: McCain Calls Dempsey “Disingenuous”
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2013/09/gen-martin-dempsey-warns-not-to-strike-syria-us-not-ready-a-fools-errand-mccain-calls-dempsey-disingenuous/

Everyone’s laughing at you Majed. You’re a fool.

September 7th, 2013, 10:25 am

 

revenire said:

General Dempsey Again Warns on Syria War

General Martin Dempsey is at it again. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is traveling in the Middle East, seemingly making it clear that he doesn’t want any part of the war in Syria. As I reported a while back, in a letter to members of Congress Dempsey had earlier warned that all of the options open to the United States in the Syrian civil war are bad ones. At that time, Dempsey drew fire from hawks and from advocates who want more and stronger direct US involvement in the Syrian war.

Now, it appears that both Dempsey and the Obama administration are concerned about the Syrian war spreading into Jordan. In the past, the United States has used Jordan as a launching pad for CIA-trained rebels fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad. But the rebellion in Syria is boomeranging, or “blowing back,” as these things usually do.

Following reports that Syrian rebels, especially the radical Islamists, are trying to spread the conflict into Jordan—particularly ironic, since Jordan is funneling weapons to the anti-Assad fighters—The New York Times reports that Dempsey is concerned over the threat to Jordan:

Syria has accused Jordan of acting as a transit point for weapons supplied to Syrian rebels, an accusation Jordan has denied. In recent days, the Jordanian authorities have detained suspected smugglers, including Syrians, accused of attempting to bring antitank missiles, surface-to-air missiles, assault rifles and other arms from Syria into Jordan—possibly part of an attempt by jihadists in Syria to foment unrest in Jordan as well.

Dempsey, whose earlier letter was released by Senator Carl Levin’s office, was outspoken during his trip to Israel and Jordan. Said Dempsey:

“I am very concerned about the radical element of the opposition, and I am concerned about the potential that extremist ideologies will hijack what started out to be a popular movement to overthrow an oppressive regime.…

“The issues that are fueling the conflict in Syria will not be resolved in the short term, even if the Assad regime were to fail tomorrow,” he said. “This is a regional conflict that stretches from Beirut to Damascus to Baghdad.”[…] “It is the unleashing of historic ethnic, religious and tribal animosities that will take a great deal of work and a great deal of time to resolve.”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/175729/general-dempsey-again-warns-syria-war#axzz2eDWhlaTv

September 7th, 2013, 10:28 am

 

revenire said:

I can do this all day Majed. I just might too.

You won’t find a single news story anywhere on the planet where Dempsey says he is for war on Syria.

No place.

What a clown.

You see Majed I know what I am talking about when it comes to politics and war. I don’t talk out of my a$$ like you do.

You’re just a terrorist.

September 7th, 2013, 10:30 am

 

revenire said:

MA’LOOLAA:
إعلان معلولا منطقة آمنة بعد دحر هجوم تكفيريي

___*-Stats are coming in quite furiously as the extent of the damage and horror inflicted on this historically important Christian city are finally being absorbed. Families who fell into the grip of the Chechen nihilist atheist fake-Muslims were forced to kneel and convert to Islam lest they be shot in the presence of other Christian families. OBAMA! YOU ARE A WAR CRIMINAL!

In any case, near the Ambassador Hotel in the city, at the Waadi Al-Saleeb (Valley of the Cross) and at the junction of St. Sarkis Church, the last rodents were exterminated. SAA confiscated Saudi-bought heat-seeking missiles and a mortar. We will use these to annihilate the entire Saud Family.

http://syrianperspective.blogspot.com/2013/09/first-post-september-7-2013-dayr.html

*censored by Matt Barber (pro-terrorist posts are okay, calling terrorists ____* isn’t)

September 7th, 2013, 10:41 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Only stupid can not differentiate between the word concerned about spreading and to say he is against the strike,
Go ahead deceive yourself, only your self will be deceived, You are american, you either don’t understand or you are pretending to be stupid, he never said he is against, go learn english again ,stop this nonsense,to be concerned is different from being against, he is supportive of this strike.

September 7th, 2013, 10:41 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Sound like the son of one of Robert Fisk and other blue eyed anthropologistsأ friends, wonder if hardly-a-massacre was a neighbor…

جمال منصور
رشاش UZI —علِموا أولادكمُ الرمايَهْ
July 8, 2013 at 7:48am


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بسنة الـ ١٩٨٣،
رفيقي “مِرار،” كان أبوه لواء بالجيش،
وأنا ما كنت أعرف شو هو اللواء—بس كان مبين علي، من على ارتفاع المتر ونص يللي كانوا طولي، بهداك الوقت
إنو اللواء شي
بينبع من عندو بواط أديداس مهربة،
وسيارات بيجو ٥٠٥—لون قرميدي وسبويلر خلفي، تحديداً،
وإعفاء من كتابة الوظايف، ع دفتر الليلي أبو تجليد كحلي،
إضافة لمرافقين وشوفيرية
أساميهون بتتراوح
بين “جعفر،” و”آصف،” وحيدرة”—ع الأغلب.

أنا بوقتها
كانت طارقتني هواية الرسم، وكنت ماشي حالي ع ما يبدو.
يعني كان ماشي حالي لدرجة إنو وقت حصة الفراغ، كل يوم خميس قبل نهاية الدوام،
كانت تطالعني آنستي بصف الخامس—”مِسْ” مازنة، كنا نناديلها—ع اللوح
لإرسم آخر ما تيسَر من “مغامرات الفضاء”
وتحديداً، صحون “المينيفو،” و”سبيزر،” ودوق فليد،” عم يتلوى من الوجع
لما “غرندايزر” يكون عم ياكول صواب، الله مولاه من جماعة العكروت، “فيغا الكبير.”

وكان “مِرار”
إضافة لهواياتو بلعب الطابة
وشد شعر رفيقتنا، يللي تحجبت بصف السابع، من ورا سآلتو
بيحب “غرندايزر” خير الله—ومشان هيك، كان يحبني
وما كان لا يضربني، ولا يسرقلي صندويشتي، متل ما كان يعمل مع رفيقي العراقي فادي.


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هيك—
ليوم من الإيام، قبل نهاية سنة الصف الخامس،
بيعزمني لعندو ع البيت، ع الغدا، مشان يورجي إمو
ويعرفها ع رفيقو “الرهيب”
يللي بيعرف يرسم “غرندايزر،” بالألوان!!

بيتهون كان بالعدوي، ناح بناية وزارة النفط
ورا روضة أطفال “ربيع آذار،” تبعِت أنيسة مخلوف
يللي كان جنبها محضر بناية—محضر بقي فاضي شي تلاتين سنة لحديت ما قلب خرابة
ما كان يستوطنوها إلا القطط والجرادين وعلب الكرتون الملحوشة
وتنكات السمنة يللي معفِن بقلبها بقايا السمنة يللي كانت فيها، بالزمانات
ببلد تبقى السمنة ع طول فيه مفقودة.
وكانت تبقى طالعة ريحتها المعفنة بهالخرابة من هالتنكات للسماوات—بعلامة الدبان يللي مستوطنها، ع طول كان يبقى.


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وبعد الغدا،
منفوت ع غرفة “مِرار،” مشان نلعب—قال يعني.
وأنا شو عم قول لحالي؟؟
“إذا اللواء بيجيب بواط أديداس
وسيارات ومرافقين—
معناتو بيكون بيجيب ألعاب بتِخيل، أكيد!!”

كانت غرفة “مِرار” ضيقة شوي، مع إنو البيت واسع منيح
وفيها تختين، بس من هدول يللي ينضبوا ع الواقف، ع الحيط
ولما بيتنزلوا، للنوم، بيبقى وراهون رفوف، متل المكتبة.
بيقوم “مِرار” بينزِل التخت
وأنا عيوني عم تلمع—إنو هلق بدي شوف
ألعاب فظيعة
وغامضة
ومذهلة
ولح بتسلى فيها كتير
ولح بحسدو عليها، وع أبوه “اللواء—” أبو بواط أديداس، ومرافقة.

وإذ
لما بيفتحها، بتقوم بتطلع كلها
مسدسات/وبواريد/وخرطوش/ومشاط رصاص/وذخيرة/ورصاص خطاط
من كل قُطرٍ، أغنية
يعني—
فيها سلاح فردي بيفتح ثكنة،
أو بيحرر بلد شرق أوسطي—من القياس الصغير.

وع ما يبدو
إنو معالم الخيبة، وعدم الاهتمام كانت واضحة كتير ع وشي
لإنو “مِرار” حاول جهدو يجذبني ويقللي ويشرحلي—
بس أنا كنت متدايق، إنو ما طلعوا الألعاب يللي كنت متمنيها.

قام قاللي
“تطلع ع البلكونة، نقوِص؟؟”

فطلعنا.


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قضينا شي تلت ساعة
هو ماسك رشاش “عوزي،”
—يللي بقيت متذكر إسمو
لإنو وقتها قاللي إنو إسرائيلي، واستغربت بوقتها كيف معو سلاح إسرائيلي
ونحنا منكره إسرائيل
متل ما قللي أبي، وآنسة “مازنة،” وجارنا النجار أبو وليد، يللي أخوه استشهد بحرب تشرين، كمان!!—
بينما أنا، عن نفسي، مسكت مسدس “ماكاروف” روسي، عيار ٩,١٨
وبلشنا نقوص ع محضر البناية الفاضي
نحاول نصيب هالجرادين
وهالقطط
وعلب هالكرتون المرمية
وتنكات هالسمنة
ونتضحك—لعند الله نتضحك
وقتٍ تنصاب تنكة سمنة معو، لـ “مِرار،”
ويقوم يرن صوتها بين هالبنايات—متل ما كان يطلع صوتها، بالـ “فرجيني،” ع التلفزيون، يوم الجمعة أربعة ونص بعد الضهر.

لحديت ما طلعت علينا جارة، بالبناية يللي مقابيلنا
مرا مقدَرة، بتطلع قد إمي وإمو
بلشت تصرخ علينا
“بس يا ولاد!!
شو عم بتساووا؟؟
ما بيصير هادا يللي عم تساووه—اتقوا الله!!
بلكي صبتولكون شي حدا؟؟”

هلق أنا
كمشت المسدس، وحطيتو بقفا ضهري—استحيت، شوي، منها
بس “مِرار،”
قاللها “اخرسي، يا شرموطة!!”
وكمش الرشاش، وبلَش—دراكاً، يعني رصاصة رصاصة
يقوص ع البلكونة تبعتها
لحتى “يخريها فزع،” متل ما أعلن
ومتل ما حقق، بنتيجة باهرة.
ع الأقل، هيك مبين من صريخها من جوات البيت، ومن وجوه الجيران التانيين، يللي كانوا مجمعين ع البلاكين
وفجأة، اختفوا ببيوتهون، بسرعة قياسية.

بس أنا
كنت بطَلت إتضحك.
ع الأخير.


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وهداك يوم، وهاد يوم.
من يومتها، ما عدت حسنت إتحمل السلاح، ولا مين بيحملو.
ومن يومتها
صرنا رفقات ع الطويل كتير، “مِرار،” وأنا—لإنو أدرك إنو أنا مو رفيق مناسب
وما بفهم عليه
وما بشاركو اهتماماتو.

ع فكرة؛؛
آخر مرة شفتو فيها، بالصدفة، مع رفقات مشتركين
سلمنا ع بعض ع الرسمي، ومن بعد ما مشي
قالولي إنو صار عميد بالحرس الجمهوري، بالفرقة الرابعة.

شوفو ع هالصدفة، شوفو.
ما كان بينحزِر عليه، منوب، والله.

September 7th, 2013, 10:44 am

 

Atassi said:

Your master Assad is a dead man walking …little days left for this SOB ..What is your plan?
And to the author of this latest topic, do you really think the real FSA did invade this town!! Those are the regime men dude …… Think!

September 7th, 2013, 11:13 am

 

zoo said:

The opposition is spreading a flurry of rumors and false news to force Obama’s hand
Syrian rebels attempt to force Obama info ousting Assad
September 7, 2013 – 19:06 AMT
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/169707/

PanARMENIAN.Net – Syrian rebels seem to have become wearied of waiting for Assad forces to be bombed and decided to use a well-proved “weapon” – accusation of using chemical agents.

According to some sources of the so-called Syrian opposition, the Assad forces used poisonous shells while attacking rebel positions in Damascus suburb of Al Kabune. To prove their claim, the rebels cite a video featuring a person being examined by doctors after having been poisoned by some agent. No official response followed the statement. Earlier, Al Arabiya TV channel reported the deaths of 56 over the past day, which, however, were unconnected to the use of chemical weapon.

Looks like Syrian rebels will stop at noting in forcing Obama to oust Assad, although the U.S. is planning no such step. As Obama repeatedly stated, the strike aims at punishing, rather that ousting Assad. However, the militants, unsatisfied with such an outcome, continue spreading deliberately false reports, in full knowledge that the media will be thriving on another report of “murdering of peaceful population.” No one seems to care about the fact that the militants have more than enough blood on their hands – Assad is the only “source of evil” in the world and he needs to be punished.

Unfortunately, logic does not seem to be either the rebels, or the U.S. president’s forte. Why poison one’s people with gas when government forces are gaining ground against rebels? And it’s utterly unclear why Obama chose this method to make Iran and South Korea (which the U.S. believes to be guilty of developing their own nuke programs) “see reason.”

Somehow, Pakistan and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons, yet the countries of “evil” are not. And what further defies understanding is that the Christians, whose fellow believers are being killed and tortured, are the ones to write about Assad’s “atrocities.” However, the misfortunes of the Near East Christians remain unheeded these days, with rare articles being published. In September, only one serious article was released in The American Conservative.

“So here is the nightmare. If the U.S., France, and some miscellaneous allies strike at the regime, they could conceivably so weaken it that it would collapse. Out of the ruins would emerge a radically anti-Western regime, which would kill or expel several million Christians and Alawites. This would be a political, religious, and humanitarian catastrophe unparalleled since the Armenian genocide almost exactly a century ago,” Philip Jenkins said in his article Syria’s Christians Risk Eradication.

“Around the world, scholars and intellectual leaders are debating how to commemorate the approaching centennial of that cataclysm in 2015. Through its utter lack of historical awareness, the United States government may be pushing towards not a commemoration of the genocide but a faithful re-enactment,” the author said.

In his weekly address to the nation, Obama reiterated that the Syria strike aims to protect the U.S. interests in preventing Syria crisis from turning into another Iraq or Afghanistan. Yet every one of the U.S. President’s steps is proving the opposite.

September 7th, 2013, 11:20 am

 

Syrian said:

بسام الخوري
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نحنا المسيحيين صوفتنا حمراء هههههههه لهيك اعارض وبشدة كولكت المسيحيين ووقوفهم ضد الضربة الامريكية ..اعرف بان حماس واخوان الاردن ومحمود عباس و الأزهر ونصف امة لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله لا تؤيد الضربة ..رغم هالشي يا مسيحيين رجاء كلو خرى وخليكم على الحياد على الأقل ههههههه
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هل تعلم يا حضرة البابا المحترم أن أطفال المعضمية يصومون منذ أربعة أشهر إجبارياً، لكن الفرق بينك و بينهم أنهم بانتهاء النهار لا يفطرون في صحون من كريستال و ملاعق من ذهب .. ينامون و هم يحلمون بكسرة خبزٍ يابسة !!
صيامك كفر إن لم يشمل كل جياع سوريا بسب نظامٍ فاشي تصوم أنت من أجل بقائه !!
صلاتك كفر إن لم تكن من أجل كل أبناء سوريا التي قتلها سفاحك !!
وجودك في هذا المنصب كفر لأنك أثبت أنك لا تستحقه !!

September 7th, 2013, 11:26 am

 

zoo said:

@2888 Heads up

That is a LIE.

“Twelve European countries are now in full support of decisive strikes against the regime of Crimes Unlimited.”

11 countries support a “strong response”. 9 disagree.
All calls for a political solution.

NO country in the world except France and Turkey officially support military strikes.

“France is the only foreign nation yet to support military action against Syria in response to Syria’s alleged use of chemical weapons against its own citizens.”

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/09/07/Kerry-to-meet-with-European-diplomats-over-possible-Syrian-strike/UPI-33431378567444/#ixzz2eDnRiyte

September 7th, 2013, 11:31 am

 

SimoHurtta said:


273. Juergen said:

That is a real evolution, back in 2003 Saddams useful idiots rounded up around hospitals and schools, cant wait to see Syrian state tv show us human shields around the state tv building, at bait ul shaab and Maze military airport. I get bored by the left wing pacifists who board planes once a new dictator faces his fate.

Jürgen were those people who with their own body tried to block the war against the state of Iraq (not Saddam) useful idiots or were those useful idiots who in UN told wild stories of moving chemical weapon factories, nukes, forced “dossiers” how Saddam in 45 minutes can send WMD missiles to Europe, who told how Al Qaida is commanded and trained by Saddam, who told stories of yellow cake etc?

The lies these useful militant idiots told to the world did cost USA over 5000 lives, trillions of dollars and in the end a political humiliation when they were kicked out. For Iraqis did the lies of US and Britain mean hundreds of thousands killed, millions displaced, a politically dysfunctional ruling system, oil income vanishing heaven knows where, robbed museums and historical sites, polluted enviroment with DU etc. The ironical thing is that Iraqis had a better functioning electrical network, social security and general security during Saddam’s time. Few Iraqis miss Americans, many surprisingly “the old days”.

Surely people, who are ready to try to stop the real possibility of a large regional war which could in worst form cost millions of lives and ruin the world economy, by offering to be as human shields are no idiots. Idiots are those who try with a strait face to convince, that the planed US acts are no acts of war, they are “international” punishments “authorized” by the (nonexistent) international community against those they think are guilty (and the “main proof” are those numerous YouTube videos and twitter feeds of those like Find A Way (former Kill Assad, known in SC as Omen)).

September 7th, 2013, 11:33 am

 

Syrian said:

Russian tv RT in his report, shows clearly that chemical Assad using tanks to shell Ma’aloula
http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_articles&id=df5594fe814c16c88424c466437f2e6d&ar=323340376

September 7th, 2013, 11:37 am

 

ziad said:

Giancarlo G-Syria No War

September 7th, 2013, 11:39 am

 

zoo said:

While Germany supports a “strong response” to the chemical attack, the Germans oppose a “military response”

“An opinion poll published last Thursday showed 70 percent of Germans oppose U.S. military action in Syria.”

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/18827210/germany-backs-g20-statement-on-syria-a-day-late/

September 7th, 2013, 11:43 am

 

zoo said:

312. Syrian

Yes.. yes .. sure… see #308

September 7th, 2013, 11:44 am

 

Hopeful said:

#303 Rev

That was *before* Assad launched chemical weapons on innocent civilians. He is dragging Obama and his staff into this war kicking and screaming. History will show that Assad managed to get the most dovish US administration in history involved in a war in the Middle East. It is beyond me why anyone with a brain would still support him, other than for sectarian purposes or selfish benefits.

September 7th, 2013, 11:46 am

 

zoo said:

311 Simo

Thanks for showing arrogant “useless idiots” on this blog what the “militant idiots” in the West have done with Iraq.

September 7th, 2013, 11:49 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou again conveniently forgets to mention that that the majority of the dead in Iraq were murdered by the same fanatics supported, trained, and transported to Iraq by non other than the dog-poop chemical athad zouzou loves to snort. These are the same bastards that now form dog-poop chemical athad scarecrow plan. zouzou also does not want to mention that the huge corruption in Iraq is being committed by the hands of those who are “tightly close” to the muh-laaas of Iran and that corruption of the muh-laaas snorters like al-malki is also responsible for as many deaths and as much misery as the war itself.

these are all irrelevant facts to zouzouz. They don’t serve its message, which is……..

September 7th, 2013, 11:59 am

 

Hopeful said:

#311 Simohurtta

Iraq was a mess – everyone agrees on that. Many are to blame: US military incompetence, US intelligence failure, Iraq opposition lies, neighboring countries interference, Iraqi sectarian divide, jihadists, etc. But let us not forget the main cause of that mess: Saddam Hussain and his regime.

Similarly in Syria, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the main culprit remains Assad and his incompetent, corrupt and brutal regime. Let’s not forget that and allow him and his thugs to steer us away from that message.

September 7th, 2013, 12:02 pm

 

Syrian said:

315Zoo
Wrong Wrong ,312 has nothing to do with the chemical attack on Qaboon in 308,
312 is a tv report by your favorite RT with their camera man filming Chemical Assad tanks hitting Ma’aloula , open link

September 7th, 2013, 12:06 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Don’t you love it. The meeting is over. Kerry is probably on the way for talks with AL and Gulf states, and dog-poop chemical athad snorters are still busy analyzing the pre-meeting “lefty” speculations.

Now, post meeting news from a russian news service states

MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) – EU foreign ministers have called for a “clear and firm” response to those guilty of using chemical weapons in the conflict in Syria, the EU’s top diplomat Catherine Ashton said Saturday at a security policy meeting in Vilnius attended by US Secretary of State John Kerry, Reuters reported.

Kerry expressed his gratitude to the EU ministers for their “strong position” on Syria, Reuters reported.

But that call came with an appeal from the EU to the United States not to commence military operations against the Syrian regime until the publication of a UN report into the alleged use of chemical weapons in the conflict, The Associated Press reported.

On a different news service, the EU ministers seem to also have been convinced that it was dog-poop chemical athad and a bunch of its inhalers behind the massacre (which first did not happen, then was done by the rebels, then turned out to have been the results of the rebels using bad weapons, and last-but not finally was found to be a major inter-county transportation fiasco). Here is how convinced were the EU minister with the arguments from dirty-kill-them-all troll, nus-lira/aoun zouzou, and a couple of racist blokes who defecate words on this site:

The European Union agreed on Saturday that the Aug. 21 chemical attack outside Damascus appears to have been the work of Syria’s regime, but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a UN inspectors’ report.

To sum it up:
1. EU knows it was dog-poop chemical athad who massacred Syrian children and women

2. EU supports a strong action against the bastards who murdered Syrian children and women

3, EU asked Kerry, to hold-on on the strong response until the UN inspectors confirm that there was a cowardly massaccre with chemical weapons..which they themselves know and have confirmed it has.

Very very complex “logical problem” for the headless horsemen and “useful idiots”.

To sum it up even more
You’r S C R E W E D

September 7th, 2013, 12:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian

I haven’t seen nothing of that sort. You have hallucinations of taking sand dust for chemical weapons. Nobody wears a gaz mask. Your accusations are ridiculous.

I won’t open any of your silly video anymore, it’s a waste of time.
You proved to be a typical pro-rebels propagandist.

September 7th, 2013, 12:18 pm

 

zoo said:

#321 Hamy

To sum it up even more:
Y A W N

September 7th, 2013, 12:24 pm

 

zoo said:

Let’s not forget that it’s the Syrian opposition who invited the scourge of Al Qaeda in the country.

September 7th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

Hopeful said:

It is normal that the majority of people in Germany, India, Brazil, Mozambique, etc., are opposed to a US strike against Syria. Why would anyone who is not directly involved support a military strike by one nation on another nation? It does not surprise me that 70% of Germans are against the US strike. What surprises me is that 30% of them DO support the strike! Do you know what it takes to get 30% of Germans to support any military action by anyone against anyone?

The US intervention in Kosovo and Bosnia was very unpopular. But thank God Clinton ignored public opinions in Italy and Germany, skipped the UN, and did the right thing to save the Muslims there.

September 7th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

zoo said:

Pro-Israel U.S. lobbying group sets major push for Syria action

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pro-israel-u-lobbying-group-sets-major-push-153922015.html#QsTTdFw

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The influential pro-Israel American Israel Public Affairs Committee will deploy hundreds of activists next week to win support in Congress for military action in Syria, amid an intense White House effort to convince wavering U.S. lawmakers to vote for limited strikes.

“We plan a major lobbying effort with about 250 activists in Washington to meet with their senators and representatives,” an AIPAC source said on Saturday.

Congressional aides said they expected the meetings and calls on Tuesday, as President Barack Obama and officials from his administration make their case for missile strikes over the apparent use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government.

September 7th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

Syrian said:

ZOO
I did not say Ma’aloula was shelled by chemical weapons, I said “shows clearly that chemical Assad using tanks to shell Ma’aloula”
slow down on your snorting.

September 7th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

zoo said:

#325 Hopeful

Please provide the source that 30% of Germans support the strikes.

September 7th, 2013, 12:32 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

freaking powerful answer…
Naturally, facts are boring… delusions are far more exciting.

I am surprised that dog-poop chemical athad snorters on sc have not yet mentioned and reserved their seats in the “arab nation” conference to be held in cairo and called for by the fascist and defunct dead-wood pan-arab socialist parties to protest the american action. ooops forgot, many of SC dog-poop chemical athad snorting trolls don’t even know arabic.

September 7th, 2013, 12:32 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian

The opposition badly needs propaganda on the recurrent use of chemical weapons by the SAA to force Obama’s hand.
Tanks are legal weapons and won’t change the world’s mind
So don’t waste your times and mine of reporting tank attacks. Nobody cares.

September 7th, 2013, 12:34 pm

 

Alan said:

United States of America – a large and important country in the world which has A failed foreign policy!
Instead of being a PARTNER in international AFFAIRS and an important PLAYER which has become PUPPET clique of young amateur!!! It is unfortunate to lose polarity

September 7th, 2013, 12:36 pm

 

zoo said:

Direct link between Assad and gas attack elusive for U.S.
By Mark Hosenball, Reuters

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2013/09/07/21104916.html?cid=rssnews

WASHINGTON – With the United States threatening to attack Syria, U.S. and allied intelligence services are still trying to work out who ordered the poison gas attack on rebel-held neighbourhoods near Damascus.

No direct link to President Bashar al-Assad or his inner circle has been publicly demonstrated, and some U.S. sources say intelligence experts are not sure whether the Syrian leader knew of the attack before it was launched or was only informed about it afterward.

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the Aug. 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital.

It is one of the biggest gaps in U.S. understanding of the incident, even as Congress debates whether to launch limited strikes on Assad’s forces in retaliation.

September 7th, 2013, 12:40 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The terrorist attack on Maloula has backfired, western press has reported the attack and questioned the purpose of this attack on a Christian symbol known all over the world.
Rebel mouthpieces lied again and said that nothing was damaged inside Maloula and that rebels left the area out of ” respect” for its religious value, we learned today that there was looting and burning of at least one church and we now know that there is still a fire fight around town. Who needs enemies with friends like these !!

September 7th, 2013, 12:41 pm

 

Alan said:

United States of America – a large and important country in the world which has A failed foreign policy!
Instead of being a PARTNER in international AFFAIRS and an important PLAYER which has become PUPPET clique of young amateur!!!
America’s involvement in Syrian affairs in this way shows how much is in crisis and need help!!!
Did not win this time in the gambling game (regime change)! There is no way out but to save the rest of the face
It is unfortunate to lose polarity
************
Obama Prepares to Wage Offensive, First-strike Strategic Nuclear Warfare against Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and Сирия

I have now had the chance to read Obama’s recently released Report on Nuclear Employment Strategy of the United States, (June 21, 2013). The critical passage can be found on page 5:

“The 2010 Nuclear Posture Review established the Administration’s goal to set conditions that would allow the United States to safely adopt a policy of making deterrence of nuclear attack the sole purpose of U.S. nuclear weapons. Although we cannot adopt such a policy today, the new guidance re-iterates the intention to work towards that goal over time.”

In other words, “nuclear deterrence” is not now and has not been the policy of the Obama administration going back to and including their 2010 Nuclear Posture Review as well.

Since “nuclear deterrence” is not now and has never been the Obama administration’s nuclear weapons policy from the get-go, then by default this means that offensive first-strike strategic nuclear war fighting is now and has always been the Obama administration’s nuclear weapons policy………
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-prepares-to-wage-offensive-first-strike-strategic-nuclear-warfare-against-russia-china-iran-north-korea-and-syria/5340299
****************
Rush Limbaugh: Americans Starting to Notice Obama’s ‘Incompetence’ Thanks to Syria
http://youtu.be/OntizL5INHE

September 7th, 2013, 12:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Hamy

“Naturally, facts are boring… delusions are far more exciting”

In view of the smell and the length of you h-p, you apparently are very excited by your own delusion.

Pseudo-facts parroted infinitely are extremely boring

September 7th, 2013, 12:47 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#328 Zoo

I stand corrected.

In #314 you mentioned that a poll shows that 70% of Germans were against the strike. Doing the math, I assumed that 30% supported it.

But after your challenge, I did some digging, and found out that 23% of Germans support it according to the poll referenced below. Still a very high numbers for Germans in my opinion, but feel free to disagree.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/27/us-syria-crisis-germany-idUSBRE97Q0P420130827

September 7th, 2013, 12:48 pm

 

Syrian said:

ZOO. You are missing the point deliberately,the link is not for you, this link for Syrian Christian, who knows exactly what the link is showing. Assad’s tanks using their normal way of selling a town to liberate their historic town

September 7th, 2013, 12:51 pm

 
 

zoo said:

After France suddenly and inexplicably backed off from immediate military attacks and decided to wait for the UN report planned for end September, will isolated USA do it alone?

Europe urging US to delay action in Syria

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/80994/World/Region/Europe-urging-US-to-delay-action-in-Syria-.aspx

European foreign ministers might ask John Kerry to be leery with intervention in Syria until UN report on whether chemical weapons were used is released
AP , Saturday 7 Sep 2013

….
Britain’s Parliament has already voted against military action. And French President Francois Hollande displayed sudden caution on Friday, saying he would wait for a UN report before deciding whether to intervene militarily.

The UN report is expected later this month, although some European officials are asking the UN to speed up the probe or issue an interim report.

September 7th, 2013, 12:54 pm

 

don said:

Guy calls for John McCain to be “arrested and tried for treason” at town hall meeting

September 7th, 2013, 12:59 pm

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

Contrary to you,I am amazed that despite the huge media propaganda, the zionist media and demonization of the Syrian government in Western newspapers, the poll against an attack is as high as 70%

September 7th, 2013, 1:01 pm

 

don said:

Syrian Rebels Using Chemical Weapons in Syria

September 7th, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our distinguished benefactors have made this vey important heads up available for release.

Laurent Fabius and John Kerry are holding a joint press conference right now.

They are saying that they received all the support they need from the world. They are now ready to drive the final nail into Ass-head.

September 7th, 2013, 1:31 pm

 

Ghufran said:

نفى الرئيس الايراني الاسبق اكبر هاشمي رفسنجاني تصريحات نسبت اليه انتقد فيها النظام السوري واتهمه باستخدام اسلحة كيميائية ضد مدنيين.
Kerry just declared that the US is not planning a strike similar to what it did in Kosovo

September 7th, 2013, 1:45 pm

 

Alan said:

/to drive the final nail into Ass-head/.
may be the final nail to drive into Kerry-Fabius head.

**********
Pro-Israel lobby says 250 activists will meet with their senators and representatives in Washington in a bid to win support Congressional support for military action in Syria.
Obama!
AIPAC is bellwether! and who are you?

September 7th, 2013, 1:49 pm

 

Atassi said:

where is my comment!!

September 7th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

Atassi said:

YOUR MASTER ASSAD IS A DEAD MAN WALKING …LESS THAN 72 HOURS LEFT

September 7th, 2013, 1:55 pm

 

Alan said:

inflated frog!

September 7th, 2013, 1:57 pm

 

revenire said:

Syrian rebels threaten humanitarian workers, kill 11 – top UN official

Armed groups openly threaten humanitarian workers in Syria, said top UN official Valerie Amos on Friday. The UN humanitarian chief also stated that 11 UN staff members have already been killed in the country, and cited several cases of abductions.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_07/Syrian-rebels-threaten-humanitarian-workers-kill-11-top-UN-official-2808/

September 7th, 2013, 2:03 pm

 

Ghufran said:

It is not a done deal yet, we have at least 8 days before a vote is done at the Congress, if a vote is done today the congress will vote NO, Obama is not likely to strike before that and may not strike if the congress says NO. This makes some comments on this blog almost worthless. The EU members support a decisive response but almost none spells the word ” military”. One potential exit is waiting for UN report then finding out who was behind the attack, if Assad regime is found guilty, Putin will sign up on a deal that allows the UNSC to take guilty officers and politicians to a war crime court and will agree that Assad can not be part of any future government. This scenario has a lot of ifs and buts but it may save Syria from a war that may spread to other countries and make a bad situation worse.
I agree that those behind the attack must be punished, I disagree that attacking Syria is the answer, many of you are driven by hate and revenge not common sense.

September 7th, 2013, 2:24 pm

 

revenire said:

Assad won’t be taken anywhere. Every Syrian will fight to the death to defeat the enemy.

Iran and Hezbollah will send 100s of 1000s of soldiers to help. Russia already said they will help militarily – Putin himself said it for all to hear.

When the missiles hit Syria the response will be an attack on Israel.

September 7th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#350 Ghufran

I remember the OJ Simpson trial in 1995. When the innocent verdict was announced, the American Blacks celebrated justice, and the American Whites cried foul. Everyone looked at the same evidence, and made the opposite conclusion, each side based on what they wanted to believe.

My point is, after 2.5 years of this war, I do not believe facts and truths will change minds of the people who want to believe what they want to believe. After September 11, there were video tapes of of the terrorists in their own words describing what they intended to do. There was a video tape of Bin Laden talking about the operation. Yet, there are tens of millions around the world who still believe that Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11. Those video tapes were “obviously” fabricated. So will any evidence showing that the Syrian regime had anything to do with the chemical attack. It will be “obviously” fabricated by the CIA and the Saudi intelligence.

It will take a miracle to find a political settlement, one that both sides can feel that they have won something. The scenario you paint sounds great, but I am afraid it has a zero chance of becoming a reality. Unfortunately.

September 7th, 2013, 2:50 pm

 

Badr said:

Syrian Anarchist Challenges the Rebel/Regime Binary View of Resistance

By Joshua Stephens, Truthout | Interview

Nader Atassi: “If the US wants to help, it can start by using diplomacy to talk to Russia and Iran and convince them to stop the war so that Syrians themselves can determine what is the next course of action.”

September 7th, 2013, 2:57 pm

 

revenire said:

Syrian Parliament Letter to U.S. Congress: Let Us Cooperate Against Our Common Enemy, Saudi-funded Al-Qaeda

Greetings,

Please find attached an urgent formal Open Letter from myself as Speaker of the Syrian Parliament. I am sending this on behalf of the Members of the Syrian People’s Assembly. The institution that has functioned continuously since its foundation in 1919.

In view of today’s crucial debate on a possible American military attack on our country, it is vital that the attached letter to be circulated immediately to every Congress Member prior to the debate.

In addition, we kindly ask you read out the letter during the opening stages of the debate in order to ensure that the Honourable Members are fully appraised [sic] of the situation in Syria and of the proposals included in the attached letter, and in order to ensure that the full text of the letter is registered in your records.

It is important to note that we have sent an explanatory letter regarding the situation in Syria to our colleagues at the British Parliament who took the responsibility to exhaust all avenues of diplomacy before involving their nation into war.

We hope that your Honourable Members will also take a similar approach.

Yours faithfully,
Speaker of People’s Assembly
MHD. Jihd AL-LAHHAM

Dear Sirs and Madams,

“If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships — the ability of all peoples, to live together, in the same world at peace.”
Franklin D. Roosevelt

We write to you urgently as you are debating the process of launching an attack on Syria. Additionally, we write to you as fellow Parliamentarians and representatives of our peoples.

It is still important that, we write to you as fathers and mothers, as members of families and communities which really are not so different to yours. Moreover, we write to you as human beings asking: if you bomb us, shall we not bleed?! The innocent people will be harmed.

Local tragedies become regional wars that led to global conflict because of the lack of communication among nations. We urge you to communicate with us through civilized dialogue rather than the language of fire and blood.

In Syria, we are keeping in mind the American dream of family values, the opportunity of success in a peaceful environment. James Truslow Adams said in 1931, “life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement” regardless of social class, religion or circumstances of birth.

Before your debate at the Congress let’s recall the following:

1. Common facts:

* The main factor of 9/11 attacks was the hatred Wahhabi Jihadist Ideology adopted and financed by Saudis.

* The hatred Wahhabi Jihadist Ideology was born from the Muslim Brotherhood jihadist doctrine. One of the living example is Omar Abdel Rahman, who’s actually in your prison, where many parties claiming to be your allies are seeking his release.

* More than 3 trillion USD, hundreds of thousands of killed and injured Americans and Iraqis and millions of Iraqi refugees were the cost of the ongoing military war on terrorism.

* Due to the Saudi money the Salafi Wahhabi different jihadist “Madrassas” are still operating and where thousands of kids are graduated every year from these terrorist centers.

* Kitchen tools plus Wahhabi Ideology are the main factors behind the horrible terrorist attacks around the world and Boston crime is the living example of the present and future sleeping cells model.

* Since late seventies, Syria was the first country that faced fundamentalist fanatic terrorism.

* Now, Syria is fighting tens of thousands of Non-Syrian jihadists.

* Syria is the last living genuine secular state in the Middle East.

* The United States and Syria both suffered and are still suffering from the terror of the same enemy which is the hatred Wahhabi Ideology adopted and financed by Saudis.

* Both of our countries fully supported the Security Council resolutions 1373 and 1624 to combat terrorism.

“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made ”
Franklin D. Roosevelt

The main common enemy to our two nations is the hatred wahhabi Jihadi ideology represented by Al- Qaida, A1 Nusra Front and its affiliates,

2-Alleged Chemical Attacks:

2-1 Evidences of possessing Chemical Weapons by the armed fanatic terrorist groups:

* On 19.03.2013 Khan Al-Asal, Aleppo chemical attack on civilians and military personnel, Syrian Government asked on 20.03.2013 for an immediate UN investigation.

The investigation Team visit was delayed for more than 5 months by US, France and UK intervention.

* On 30.05.2013 Turkey announced the capture of an Islamist fanatic terrorist group possessing two litres of Sarin Gas. Therefore, Mr. Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, on 31.05.2013 urged the Turkish Government to cooperate to avoid the possibility of any future chemical attack in the Middle East and Europe.

* On 01.06.2013 the Iraqi Army announced the capture of a fundamentalist fanatic terrorist group on the Iraqi-Syrian borders, and seized chemical weapons and a remote control of a small helicopter.

* On 28.07.2013 the Syrian authorities handed to the Russian and Chinese diplomatic missions in Damascus the evidence of the possessing chemical weapon by al Nusra Front and their intention to use them to attack Muaaret al Numan and the suburb of Aleppo.

Conclusion: the above facts proves that the fundamentalist Jihadist terrorist groups possessed and used chemical weapons previously.

2-2 Question: Logically, what is the benefit of the Syrian Government to commit a chemical attack crime during the visit of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria within less than 4 miles from the Commission residence at Four Seasons Hotel?!

3. For that reason, we urge you to come to Syria, to send a delegation, as soon as you can to see and discover for yourselves what is going on here. We invite you to come to Syria to measure the situation before you cut—especially when the cloth that will be cut is human flesh. Where we can together generate a road map for a joint effective effort against terrorism.

We believe that such an aggressive and unjustified act of war would be unfair and illegal due to the following reasons:

a) Syria is a sovereign state that does not pose any threat to the United States of America;

b) The UN Security Council did not adopt such an action.

c) The UN Report about the terrible incident in Damascus Countryside – Ghotta- has not been formulated. No-one can even know whether it will include enough evidence for any claims and allegations.

d) On the contrary, the UN has already concluded that there is a very strong evidence that the fundamentalist terrorists from the al-Nusrah Front – a terrorist organization affiliated to al Qaeda- have used a poison gas against Syrian soldiers and innocent civilians. Consequently, any aggressive act against innocent and sovereign people, without any legal evidence, would be a criminal act breaching the principles of the International Law. While some of the western circles are offering all possible support to the fanatic Wahhabi rebels who were accused of committing crimes by the UN, which is surely a breach of your declared basic principles of justice.

We highly appreciate your moral feeling of sorrow at the images of the chemical attack victims. We the Syrians, are fully co-operating with the UN Investigation Team, Syrian experts are also investigating the question of who carried out this atrocity and sharing the UN Team with the results. We Parliamentarians, are determined to reach the truth and to bring the involved criminals to justice, regardless whoever they are.

In the meantime we urge you not to rush into any irresponsible reckless action. You have the power and the responsibility today to convert the United States of America from the war track to the diplomatic path. We hope to meet there, and to talk, as civilised peoples should. We adopt a diplomatic solution, as we realize that war would be a bloody destructive catastrophic track, which does not have any benefit for all nations.

In fact, the most important matter is that we all face the same terrorist threat. Attacking Syria and weakening its establishments and infrastructure would automatically strengthen the power of our common enemy, Al Qaida and its terrorist affiliates. Instead of fighting each other, we should be working together to fully implement UN Security Council Resolutions 1373 and 1624 against terror. Instead of being enemies, we should be walking the road to peace and truth together.

With Best Regards,
Speaker of People’s Assembly
MHD. Jihad AL-LAHHAM

September 7th, 2013, 2:59 pm

 
 

revenire said:

Majed these AMERICAN veterans are not afraid to say what they believe and put their real names down saying so. This isn’t your BS about Dempsey, your lies, but the REAL DEAL:

Obama Warned on Intel about Syrian
by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) / September 6th, 2013

Exclusive: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.” We have been down this road before – with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powell’s Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he peddled fraudulent “intelligence” to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled – or, at the least, very poorly advised. Secretary of State John Kerry departs for a Sept. 6 trip to Europe where he plans to meet with officials to discuss the Syrian crisis and other issues. (State Department photo) The fraudulent nature of Powell’s speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to “widen the discussion beyond … the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.” We offer you the same advice today…

Thomas Drake, Senior Executive, NSA (former)
Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)
Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan
Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)
W. Patrick Lang, Senior Executive and Defense Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.)
David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)
Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)
Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)
Todd Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General (ret.)
Sam Provance, former Sgt., US Army, Iraq
Coleen Rowley, Division Council & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)
Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

September 7th, 2013, 3:46 pm

 

ghufran said:

A U.S. strike would be self-wounding
By Kapil Komireddi, Special to CNN

To rid Syria of al-Assad’s dictatorship and prevent it from falling into the hands of jihadists who are cut from the same ideological cloth as the men who drove the planes into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, the United States may have to commit itself to Syria for more than a decade — fighting the jihadists, subduing al-Assad and his allies in Hezbollah, protecting Israel and preserving Lebanon’s fragile peace. After Afghanistan and Iraq, is there an appetite for such an enterprise anywhere?
Intervening in Syria will perhaps pacify Obama’s conscience. But in Syria, there’s every chance that it will escalate the conflict. Ultimately tantalizing the losing side in the Syrian civil war with a brief, punitive, “limited” entry on its behalf will only hasten the creation of conditions that will eventually suck America back into the conflict

September 7th, 2013, 3:52 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

#357….a strike would be self wounding …..but to the chosen people its a crusade according to a Congresswoman from Florida

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2013/09/as-a-jew-wasserman-schultz-invoked-holocaust-in-making-case-for-bombing-syria.html

September 7th, 2013, 4:06 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
You failed to come out with a single statement from any active general who spoke openly against the strike, further you made a fool of yourself by not knowing the difference between concernd,and against, no wonder someone said you have low IQ

September 7th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Protest at White House against Syria strikes

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/protest-at-white-house/805716.html

Waving signs and placards, some 200 protesters gathered at the White House on Saturday before marching to Capitol Hill, in a demonstration opposing possible US military strikes against Syria.

“Congressional offices are being flooded with calls, faxes and emails,” said Sarah Sloan, of the ANSWER Coalition – the group organising the protest – in a statement before the demonstration.

“Congressional officials report that by a margin of 100 to one, people are telling the elected representatives from their district that they should vote no on the war resolution,” she added.

September 7th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Human shields waiting authorization from Syria to enter

Volunteers to Serve as Human Shields in Syria
The ‘International Human Shields’ movement, plans to bring to Syria civilians from countries around the globe.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171654#.UiuIBjdk34s

The ‘International Human Shields’ movement, founded by a group of activists in Britain and the US, plans to bring to Syria civilians from countries around the globe, who will try to deter US strikes on the country by staking out potential military targets and serving as human shields there.

The British Telegraph said that Franklin Lamb, a lawyer recently appointed as the legal adviser for the group, said he had been “inundated” with requests from activists including from Canada, France, Italy, the US, and Britain.

The Syrian regime has not yet told the group whether it intends to let it enter the country.

Many of those volunteering to go to Syria also took part in the ‘Human Shields’ movement that traveled to Baghdad, initially to protect hospitals and schools, and later, key government infrastructure sites.

Ken O’Keefe, an ex-US Marine who gave up his American citizenship in disgust at Iraq war and who became a leader of that Human Shields group, told The Daily Telegraph that he has been acting as an adviser for this Syrian-focused movement.

“I have been sharing my experience with Mr Lamb. I have a feeling that if the Syrian government allows it, there would be a huge inundation of volunteers,” he said. “The policies of Britain and the US make no sense; we are aligning ourselves with the people who we were supposedly fighting in Iraq.”

September 7th, 2013, 4:11 pm

 

zoo said:

“The White House will get the votes it needs in Congress to pass a resolution in favor of military action in Syria?,
Grayson said no”

Grayson: All we really know about bombing Syria is that we don’t know what happens next
By David Ferguson
Saturday, September 7, 2013 16:03 EDT

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/07/grayson-all-we-really-know-about-bombing-syria-is-that-we-dont-know-what-happens-next/

In an interview with Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) laid out a case against military intervention in Syria and said that not only is the U.S. unlikely to affect the outcome of the current conflict between Syrian Pres. Bashar al-Assad, but that no one knows exactly what would happen after the raid.

“(T)here’s a substantial amount of hubris here,” alleged the Florida congressman. “They think they know where the targets are, they think they know how to hit it with enough force but not too much force, they think they know how the Russian and the Iranians will react. We cannot determine all this. On some level, we’re assuming the reaction from Russia and Iraq and Syria will be zero: We’ll carry out this attacks, and there’ll be no response.”

“This is a bit of a sensitive subject, but the administration has been honest that they have no smoking gun that the attack was ordered by Assad. The evidence of his involvement is circumstantial,” he continued. “We’re two years into a civil war that he’s winning. The Russians and Iranians have told him not to use chemical weapons. Hezbollah has told him not to use chemical weapons because their fighters are at risk. So he’s winning, there’s scant and circumstantial evidence that he ordered the attack. Why are we gaming out his incentives when we don’t know he ordered it?”

This position would fly in the face of the current conventional wisdom in Washington, which considers the chemical attacks an act of the Assad regime proper, not rogue elements within it.
..
When asked whether he believes that the White House will get the votes it needs in Congress to pass a resolution in favor of military action in Syria, Grayson said no. Not only is the administration losing the proposition in Congress, he said, but the public is also against it. With the public so closely watching the president’s decision, Grayson asserted, there will be no way to hedge or finesse the matter, either.

He asked, “When has the White House ever — ever — been able to turn around a vote? It hasn’t happened in the entire Obama administration; much less happened when the constituent mail is running 100-1 against. When nobody is paying attention, anything is possible. The president can offer you favors or employ moral suasion or enlist lobbies. But the public is watching and is extremely angry about the president’s position. In that kind of environment, the president doesn’t even have the tools.”

September 7th, 2013, 4:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Not to go on with the strike is a serious matter, which have serious consequences against US security
1- Persia will dare to test the US resolve, and will be encouraged to make nuclear bomb.
2- the rebels in Syria,when they see no response to CW use, they will seek to acquire CW, probably Jabhat Al Nusra can acquire these weapons and will use them.
3- Other countries will rush to manufacture CW, making it easy for AlQaida to acquire them,this means future terrorism will depend on the use of CW,this represent major threat to US security.
It is too late to stop

September 7th, 2013, 4:21 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

319. Hopeful said:

#311 Simohurtta

Iraq was a mess – everyone agrees on that. Many are to blame: US military incompetence, US intelligence failure, Iraq opposition lies, neighboring countries interference, Iraqi sectarian divide, jihadists, etc. But let us not forget the main cause of that mess: Saddam Hussain and his regime.

Similarly in Syria, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the main culprit remains Assad and his incompetent, corrupt and brutal regime. Let’s not forget that and allow him and his thugs to steer us away from that message.

Hopeful do you understand how idiotic you sound by admitting, that Iraq was total mess and then demanding actions against Syria using much of the same “reasoning” which were used in Iraq invasion. What guaranties can USA give that Syria will not become a even bigger mess than Iraq was. It can’t. The only guaranty USA can give is to its own military industry, that their turnover and profits will increase. The chance to limit the war from USA’s side to a couple of days cruise missile “lesson” are naive.

USA can’t give any guaranties, that Syria would in future be ruled in a better way what the present regime has done. The likelihood that the government which would emerge after years of internal fighting will be much more brutal and corrupt (religious dictatorship). Do you seriously believe, that this fragmented opposition and the countless criminal and religious militias could produce in a couple weeks/months security, order and a ruling system which even remotely resembles some kind of democracy? If you do you are like your nickname – hopeful. Hopeful like a person who says, that he will win in lotto next week.

September 7th, 2013, 4:25 pm

 

Syrian said:

From CNN
Disturbing video from Syria is shown by the Obama administration to US senators in an effort to justify military action.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2013/09/07/nr-vo-tapper-classified-congress-syria.cnn.html

September 7th, 2013, 4:34 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou said

In view of the smell and the length of you h-p, you apparently are very excited by your own delusion.

Yeah, I received many complaints about smelly posts;but only those that mention nus-lira/aoun zouzou. Once I almost got sewed for what people thought was a”fart bomb”, but that was a post that mentioned the troll.

September 7th, 2013, 4:35 pm

 

zoo said:

Youtube seems to be the main High Tech Intelligence source for the White House to show ‘proofs’ just like in High Tech satellite photos showed the Iraq “chemical weapons trucks” that started a war that killed millions.

Now is the US Congress seriously going to makes decision to kill people based on Youtube videos?

September 7th, 2013, 4:45 pm

 

zoo said:

Hammy

You don’t need to be “sewed”, you already live like other rodents of your kind in smelly “sewage” feeding yourself with sarin gas that Bandar Ben Sultan has stored there to keep it fresh for the next ‘attack’.
No wonder you h-p are so suffocatingly stinking.

September 7th, 2013, 4:50 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

336. Hopeful said:

#328 Zoo

I stand corrected.

In #314 you mentioned that a poll shows that 70% of Germans were against the strike. Doing the math, I assumed that 30% supported it.

But after your challenge, I did some digging, and found out that 23% of Germans support it according to the poll referenced below. Still a very high numbers for Germans in my opinion, but feel free to disagree.

Hopeful I was told, that there is a poll in which the clear majority of US citizens supported sending the whole Congress to Syria without a need to return them. Have you heard of this poll?

Anyway these “attack Syria” polls are infantile propaganda. The result depend totally of that what the questions asked are. The more general the question are the more support for the attack. The more exact and revealing the less popular. Asking “Should Assad be punished” would probably be rather popular. Asking the same in style “Should we punish Assad using our military” would be very unpopular. ETC.

September 7th, 2013, 4:52 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed

You are not up to date. The rebels have already used rebel-made Sarin several times , they did’nt wait for your permission.

Just ask Bandar Ben Sultan and the Ghouta inhabitants.

You said
“they will seek to acquire CW, probably Jabhat Al Nusra can acquire these weapons and will use them.”

September 7th, 2013, 4:56 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama plan for a ‘mini-war’: “amateurish, murky, contradictory, frustrating, incoherent, unconvincing… ”

Obama faces scepticism in Congress over plans to attack Syria
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1305844/obama-faces-scepticism-congress-over-plans-attack-syria

Analysts and lawmakers doubt the Obama administration can make good on its pledge that a strike will be of limited scope and duration
Sunday, 08 September, 2013 [Updated: 4:36AM]

The first week of US President Barack Obama’s bid to build political unity on Syria by bringing in Congress ended in near disarray, with top cabinet officers and Pentagon officials providing murky or even contradictory responses to inquiries from frustrated lawmakers and reporters.

Kerry also raised eyebrows when he testified that 15 per cent to 25 per cent of the Syrian opposition fighting Assad is made up of “bad guys” – radical Islamists, many with al-Qaeda ties. That range flew in the face of much higher figures provided to lawmakers by intelligence agencies.

The week’s lobbying has had such little success that authorisation for a strike would likely fail in Congress if the vote were today, as sceptical lawmakers consider heeding war-weary constituents who firmly oppose military intervention.

“I think for many, absent of being convinced, ‘no’ is going to be the answer” on Syria intervention, congressman Kevin Cramer said.

The Senate is expected to vote this week on allowing a limited attack, while the House is due to vote within the next two weeks.

September 7th, 2013, 4:59 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

bandar … again, it said.
sorry…. and again… and again… and again…..

September 7th, 2013, 5:14 pm

 

zoo said:

CNN says that Hollande by backing off has a good reason: a deal has been made that once the UN ‘preliminary’ report gives indication that the Syrians are behind the attack, then the whole EU will join the coalition. It is still not clear if that would result in military strikes.
The key question is will the UN report indicate clear cut and without any doubt who is behind the attack? The UN team original mandate was to determine the chemical nature of the toxic gas used in other locations. While the inspectors may have interviewed and investigated more what happened in Al Ghouta, they were not authorized by the UN to do so.
Logically, another UN team of military and balistiqc experts should be send back to Al Ghouta to make a thorough investigation.
Will the West follow that logical step or will try to skip it?
If the Congress say No ahead of the UN report, then the whole EU plans collapses and back to square one.

European dealmaking on Syria as U.S. tries to build coalition

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/07/world/europe/eu-syria-strikes/index.html

European diplomats say Hollande seemed to be left hanging when President Barack Obama decided to seek authorization for strikes from Congress. He is facing pressure from the French public and Parliament for a stronger international backing and U.N. imprint before taking military action in Syria.

European diplomats tell CNN that Hollande struck a deal with the European Union. In exchange for more European political support for action, he would wait for the U.N. inspectors’ report. That was the genesis of the E.U. statement, which now has all 28 countries on record.

Until now, just a few countries were even expressing support for such action, as evident by the fact only 10 countries joined the United States in signing onto the G-20 statement (France, the U.K. and Spain were the only European nations).

September 7th, 2013, 5:17 pm

 

Alan said:

American aggression on Syria will turn the table on the heads of the actors, and U.S. allies will burn with fire of this aggression. As for Israel, it will be more affected by it.
The war, inevitably, will not end with U.S. victory. There will be surprises and unforeseen things. The silence of the other party reinforced the confusion with the American administration.
Syrians understand well that they are in front of the battle and existence and will certainly take the initiative to break the case of no war and no-peace!

September 7th, 2013, 5:23 pm

 

zoo said:

Former U.S. Ambassador Cautions Against Attack on Syria
September 07, 2013 3:00 PM

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=220106490&ft=1&f=1003

Audio for this story from will be available at approximately 7:00 p.m. ET.

Peter Galbraith, U.S. ambassador to Croatia in the 1990s who was involved in the Croatia-Bosnia peace process, has made a career of studying conflict.
Historically a strong interventionist, Galbraith argues against military intervention in Syria and outlines possible alternatives.

September 7th, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

General Petraeus endorsed the strike against Assad

September 7th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 
 

Alan said:

U.S. administration go to an intensive campaign to win the support of the deputies Congress of African descent and the support of deputies from the Latin American assets and congressional deputies of the Jews!It hides the Americans the real cost of the war!They are lying by claiming that the war is limited and cosmetic!The war will be a big, serious and long-lasting!!
http://youtu.be/1wia0cw0Upk?t=8s

September 7th, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

ghufran said:

The videos that were leaked to CNN, on purpose, are not new and they do not tell who was behind the attacks or where the attacks were conducted, there are many holes in the story and I do believe that leaking the videos to CNN provides further evidence that Obama has little support among Americans and is trying to change public opinion in the next 2 weeks, but most Americans are already suspicious of their government and will now be more suspicious, no American believes that a US president should attack a foreign country that did not attack the US based on questionable evidence and unauthenticated videos which are rarely admissible in any international court. People want to see the evidence before they give Obama a green light to attack, many Americans think Obama is doing this to help himself and Israel not the average American.
Look, something terrible probably happened in Ghoutah and it needs to be investigated and those who are proven to have ordered or carried at attack with CW must be brought to justice, keep in mind that the victims of alleged attacks in Ghouta are less than 1% of victims of this war and that many atrocities went unpunished because most countries prefer to watch Syrians killing each other instead of spending money and risking lives to stop this insanity.

“General Petraeus endorsed the strike against Assad”
This is old news, the man wanted to bomb Syria since 2012, I am glad he got busy cheating on his wife.

September 7th, 2013, 5:38 pm

 

Alan said:

The majority of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans serving in Congress are lining up against President Obama’s plan for military action in Syria.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/operations/320823-congressional-vets-line-up-against-action-in-syria#ixzz2eFIdahCW

September 7th, 2013, 5:45 pm

 
 
 

revenire said:

YouTube videos? That’s Obama’s evidence? How stupid does he think the American people are?

September 7th, 2013, 6:01 pm

 

revenire said:

381. TARA said:

https://sphotos-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1229864_10100989862858967_1768062522_n.jpg

The children in Syria is asking the US to come and protect them.

===

The photo is of some middle-aged bald guy, probably in Qatar or KSA.

September 7th, 2013, 6:02 pm

 

zoo said:

12 U.S. Intelligence Officials Tell Obama It Wasn’t Assad
Posted on September 7, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/12-u-s-intelligence-officials-tell-obama-it-wasnt-assad.html

By Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials

Editor Note: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

Precedence: IMMEDIATE

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

September 7th, 2013, 6:07 pm

 

Alan said:

Correct analogy: Bush was looking for a pretext to invade Iraq, Obama is looking for a pretext to bring down Assad.

This is exactly the argument the Bush adm. used in order to explain it’s aggression against Iraq.We know

Congress may yet save the U.S. from a big stupidity and big crime. Congress leadership-for hitting. But the sentiment “against” getting stronger.

USA pretend that an attack on Syria supports the entire world. Complete nonsense. – Against the “twenty”, most of the EU, part of the Arab League and the Pope

They said that Obama does not want to fight in Syria. This myth is destroyed by Obama. He finally turned into a “war president” – the second Bush

@Alexey_Pushkov
Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the State Duma

September 7th, 2013, 6:11 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

When was the last time Ray McGovern entrusted with any intelligence, reliable or unreliable?

This is pathetic.

September 7th, 2013, 6:14 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

The videos that were leaked to CNN, on purpose

Smart… Brilliant…. why would one purposelessly release anything? beats me.

September 7th, 2013, 6:18 pm

 
 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

funny how nus-lira/aounites think. Success of the French president in making a deal with 27 other countries is viewed as failure. Wonder how many countries can nus-lira or the discredited general can make deals with. (We are not talking about drug smuggling deals with mafia gangs, we are talking about real sovereign countries)

Before I forget… it seems that DU is very popular…Wikipedea states:

The Russian military has used DU ammunition in tank main gun ammunition since the late 1970s, mostly for the 115 mm guns in the T-62 tank and the 125 mm guns in the T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 tanks.

One wonders which tanks served in Afghanistan, which tanks are now serving in the dog-poop chemical athad army. No one has yet checked. We thank the russian agents on SC for reminding us to look these little “conveniently ignored” matters.

September 7th, 2013, 6:31 pm

 

Warren said:

It would appear that not all Pallies are ungrateful treacherous parasites. Some Pallies recognize the sacrifices Syria has made for them.

September 7th, 2013, 6:52 pm

 

revenire said:

“When was the last time Ray McGovern entrusted with any intelligence, reliable or unreliable?”

Like YouTube videos produced by Nusra? That kind of intelligence?

September 7th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

revenire said:

Libya Objects to Foreign Intervention In Syria

Libyan Foreign Minister Mohamed Abdulaziz has called upon the Arab League to reject the use of force against Syria outside the framework of international legitimacy. The minister’s stance has come as a great surprise to many. Those who enthusiastically back the strike wondered how a state whose new regime was established on the basis of foreign intervention can oppose a similar intervention in other Arab countries.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/09/libya-objects-military-strike-syria-egypt.html#ixzz2eFbKqLcQ

September 7th, 2013, 6:59 pm

 

Alan said:

American officials have a track record of lying to start wars against other countries. This has been the consistent modus operandi of the US from Vietnam to Yugoslavia, and from Iraq to Libya.

Washington is threatening to attack Syria as a means of prolonging the fighting inside Syria. The US government also wants to have a stronger hand in the country’s future negotiations by restoring the balance of power between the Syrian government and America’s anti-government insurgent allies, thus weakening the Syrian military and ending its winning momentum against the insurgency. If not softening Damascus up for the insurgents, America wants to level the equation and undermine the Syrian government before a final negotiation takes place.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabians-chemical-bandar-behind-the-chemical-attacks-in-syria/5348464

September 7th, 2013, 7:02 pm

 

zoo said:

Reve

Libya knows too well what is the aftermath of Western attacks: Chaos and expansion of the islamists. But blinded by the crusade against elusive chemical gas, the West doen’t even want to know what happens after. They only want to satisfy their “moral outrage” and their ego.

September 7th, 2013, 7:06 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Spare us your sarcasm mr hamster, you know the leak had an evil purpose and not just for the sake of FOi, if Obama had a strong case for bombing Syria he would not need to unleash his employees all over TV to sell a car that is too expensive to own, Syria’s war.
I remain confident that Obama will either change his mind or perform a cosmetic strike.
There is a always risk for a wider war even with a small attack but I do not believe Assad will respond unless the attack crosses Assad’s own redlines,ie if he believes that his regime may collapse or sustain severe damage, that is still unlikely.

Erdugang lost his bid for the 2020 Olympic Games but he still can arrange for special Olympics for Nusra and the GCC bedouins.

September 7th, 2013, 7:07 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

dirty little carpet-bombing troll deflects issues. Busy sucking the rotten egg form last time, or was it a rotten military boot?

September 7th, 2013, 7:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Hammy

You have a lucrative deal with Saudi Arabia and Qatar: keep the h-p’s coming
Are rotten eggs your favorite food? you can’t stop talking about it.

September 7th, 2013, 7:09 pm

 

zoo said:

Listen to Peter Galbraith, U.S. ambassador to Croatia in the 1990s who was involved in the Croatia-Bosnia peace process, has made a career of studying conflict.
Historically a strong interventionist, Galbraith argues against military intervention in Syria and outlines possible alternatives.

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=220106490&m=220106485

September 7th, 2013, 7:20 pm

 

Ghufran said:

قال ناشطون في المعارضة السورية ان الهيئة الشرعية في مدينة سلقين بريف ادلب اعدمت “جودت العجي” صباح اليوم السبت ٧٩٢٠١٣.
ونشرت الهيئة الشرعية بيان على موقع التواصل الاجتماعي فيسبوك اتهمت فيه المدعو جودت التابع للواء “صقور سلقين” بالتخابر لصالح النظام السوري حيث أبلغ عن موقع يتواجد فيه 26 من قادة الجيش الحر ليتم استهدافهم جميعا من قبل طيران الاسد بالاضافة الى تحديد اماكن تواجد المشافي الميدانية في المنطقة .
One untold story is the involvement of many corrupt security officers in arms smuggling and other activities that helped rebels, a lot of people did what they did to make money, most people today hate both sides in this war.

September 7th, 2013, 7:29 pm

 

zoo said:

If Obama looses the vote, there is something he is winning that is extremely valuable for the region. He would have made for once the Congress inflict a overreaching defeat to… Israel.

The message to Israel will be: There will be no attack on Iran or any if its allies unless it is proven they used WMD.
It is therefore time for Netanyahu to forget about threatening Iran and work seriously in the current negotiation with the Palestinians.

September 7th, 2013, 7:32 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

For The strike to be very successful, 10% of Assad supporting generals will die, and 90% of Assad remaining aircraft will be destroyed,and his two famous palaces will be leveled
And from now on Assad will live in hiding

September 7th, 2013, 7:32 pm

 

revenire said:

Al-Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood ’embrace’ of love.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTmLLvECEAEv2Pj.png

September 7th, 2013, 7:36 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our behind-the-scenes benefactors, with sources implanted in the deepest recesses of covertness who can bring you the news before it happens authorized us to make this heads up public.

Hollande of France made it clear to various heads of states he met with recently that he will kill Ass-head for what he has done no matter what parliaments or congresses decide. Holande said this is his final decision and he has a plan to do it which he and Obama of America have agreed upon.

And just so you may know, the G20 meeting was not a total failure as many would have thought. Leaks have surfaced that a deal between Obama and Putin was discussed in which Obama would forget about the Snowden case in return for Ass-head’s head presented to the Americans onboard an MI 5 helicopter which will transport Ass-head from a Tartous naval base to a nearby US destroyer once Ass-head makes his final journey from Yaafour to the naval base aboard a Gazelle chopper when the bombs start falling.

It wasn’t lost on Mr. Obama that the proposed deal favors the Russian team more than the American. For it was obvious that the Russians were offering a dead dog walking for an agent packed with esppionage secrets that could have serious repercussions on US National security. In the end the Russians had to sweeten the deal and agree to offer more in the Syrian theatre. They were willing to allow the Americans free hand in shaping the future Syrian government without any Russian bickering. The Russians also figured out that it is best to allow the Americans to seek to rebuild a destroyed Syria since it has not much more to offer in terms of arms deals struck on credit ratings below CCC.

And so it came to pass. The greatest sell-out ever came to light, and Hollande will get to shoot the last bullet on Ass-head’s head courtesy of Putin’s airforce delivery services.

September 7th, 2013, 7:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Thank you Angela, can’t you keep your wild dogs home

German jihadis kill Syrian Christians
By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
09/08/2013 01:59

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/German-jihadis-kill-Syrian-Christians-325495

Expert says the number of German Islamists in Syria has increased from 60 to 150 in the last six months.

September 7th, 2013, 7:38 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Heads up

I have never seen a jellyfish shooting bullets.
I can’t wait to see Hollande doing it.

September 7th, 2013, 7:42 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

has zouzou ever come up with an original non-plagiarized attack?
man its answers are like a 6 years old child.

me: you suck because you said is a lie, and here is why (facts presented)
zouzou: no you suck, and you smell*

me: your arguments are stupid, and here is why…(clear explanation)
zouzou: you smell

me: athad is a dog-poop because it has no brain and acts like a poop
zouzou: no you are a smelly poop

at least SNK had a couple of originals, kept repeating them over and over and over, but darn it, they were original.

September 7th, 2013, 7:43 pm

 

zoo said:

@401 Majed

And how many non-sunnis civilians should die to make it even more successful?

401. majedkhaldoun said:

For The strike to be very successful, 10% of Assad supporting generals will die.

September 7th, 2013, 7:46 pm

 

zoo said:

#407 hammy

You are obsessed with rotten eggs. Did your father fed you with some when you were naughty?
No wonder you ended up by being a brainless hamster with smelly h-p..

September 7th, 2013, 7:49 pm

 

zoo said:

Tolerance for Christians to end if Assad deposed

September 7, 2013
http://www.examiner.com/article/tolerance-for-christians-to-end-if-assad-deposed

The fact that Syrian president Bashar al-Assad is an authoritarian dictator is well known and reported widely nearly every day in the mainstream media. What is not being reported is that Assad belongs to a Muslim sect that believes in tolerance toward other religions, such as Christianity.

Assad is an Alawite, a relatively small sect within Islam that comprises roughly 12 percent of the population of Syria. The Alawites are considered to be an offshoot of Shia Islam and are hated by nearly all of the major sects within the Muslim religion.

One of the main sticking points between the Alawites and the rest of Islam is the fact that the Alawites have a long history of living in close proximity to Christians in peace. This has been a characteristic of Syria for centuries and has continued under the Assad regime. Christians have been free to practice their religious beliefs and to live without fear of persecution.

Such tolerance is not a mainstay within the rest of Islam. Many of the Syrian rebels who currently fight to remove the Assad regime are extremists who belong to factions within Islam that wish to kill Christians and Jews, burning down their churches and synagogues. The very same scenario was at play in Egypt.

At the forefront of the Islamic extremists is the Muslim Brotherhood. Despite its attempt to portray itself publicly as a “moderate” group, the Brotherhood is the parent organization of al Qaeda, Hamas, and other violent Islamist groups that believe all “infidels” should be killed.

Of immense importance is the fact that to the Brotherhood, al Qaeda, and other sects within Islam, the Alawites are considered infidels as well, even worse than Christians and Jews. It is no wonder, then, that the Brotherhood, al Qaeda, the Sunnis, and other Islamic groups wish to oust Assad and obliterate the Alawites.

Thus, when it comes to extremist Muslims in Syria, the issue is not and never has been Assad’s atrocities. Were al Qaeda or the Brotherhood in power, those atrocities would be multiplied ad infinitum.

September 7th, 2013, 7:56 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Erdugang lost his bid for the 2020 Olympic Games but he still can arrange for special Olympics for Nusra and the GCC bedouins.

So did Spain,…. what was the name of their PM? ya shater….

Really I knew this was coming. I even told the Mrs, wait and see, the men7ebaakjis will start blabbering about Erdogan’s major defeat, and you’ll never hear a single ward about Madrid. You guys are such a predictable bouquet of headless horsemen.

September 7th, 2013, 7:57 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

I point at the moon, and the fool stares at my finger.
(Chinese Proverb)

September 7th, 2013, 8:15 pm

 

Syrian said:

“Tolerance for Christians to end if Assad deposed”
How come their numbers were cut in half pre 2011 under the leadership of Assad Jr.and Sr.and how did they survive for 1400 years before the 2Assads came down from the mountains?

September 7th, 2013, 8:22 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Japan hosted summer Olympics in 1964
Spain held summer olympics in 1992
Istanbul would have been a good choice but not when there is a war south of the borders with Turkey being knee deep in it.
For selfish reasons I would have preferred Istanbul, a wonderful city to visit, but not now even if the games are 9 years away.

September 7th, 2013, 8:30 pm

 

Syrian said:

After the ill advised move on Ma’aloula by the Qalmoan fighters,now Chemical Assad militia is trying to liberate Ma’aloula the same way they libreated Baba Ammer and half Darayya.
This is from the page of the republican Gaurds that changed its name to Damascus now
دمشق الآن
3 hours ago ·
مراسل دمشق الآن في معلولا

دارت معارك طاحنة بكل اشكالها بين قوات الجيش ومجموعات النصة منذ الصباح الباكر ودخلت القوات الى داخل معلولا ووصلت حتى ساحتها وكان الوضع ممتاز للغاية حتى عصر اليوم .

مراسل “دمشق الآن” بعد عصر اليوم ساءت الامور بوصول دعم قوي جداا للارهابيين ووصلتهم صواريخ ‫#‏مما‬ اضطربعض القوات الى الانسحاب خارج البلدة .

مراسل “دمشق الآن” الآن تتم اعادة تشكيلات جديدة للدخول الى معلولا من جديد .

الناشـط فـي حـب الـوطـن وسـام

September 7th, 2013, 8:36 pm

 

zoo said:

After the defeat of his protege Morsi, here is another major defeat for Erdogan with the loss of the 2020 Olympics.
The next one will the collapse of his child and protege, the Syrian opposition, and the biggest defeat will be on 2014: the loss of his bid for the presidency.
Erdogan does not seem to be in good terms with God

September 7th, 2013, 8:56 pm

 

zoo said:

When are Jarba and the defected WMD expert supposed to appear in front of the Congress?
I cant wait to see that.

September 7th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

Ghufran said:

أكد مراسل قناة “العربية” في سوريا أن ثلاثة من قادة “لواء أحفاد الرسول” في الجيش الحر استهدفوا بسيارة مفخخة عند معبر باب الهوى على الحدود السورية التركيا في منطقة سرمدا.
وأوضح المراسل أن التفجير استهدف سيارة أحد قيادات الصف الأول في “لواء أحفاد الرسول” وقائد “لواء شهداء إدلب”، عضو الائتلاف الوطني السوري عن “هيئة الأركان”، مهند عيسى. وأصيب في الاستهداف الرائد محمد العلي.
This has the signature of Nusra

September 7th, 2013, 9:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Report on the expectations of the rebel leaders in Turkey

Syrian rebels prepare for U.S. strike

Free Syrian Army rebels are concerned that a delayed U.S. military strike on the Assad regime could diminish their chance to capitalize on it — especially if it is not severe enough and does not prevent the regime from resuming air strikes. Clarissa Ward reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50154576n

September 7th, 2013, 9:11 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama will make 6 interviews on Monday and an address to the Americans on Tuesday as the vote is scheduled for Wednesday before the UN report.

The president does seem to expect the UN report to offer a casus belli as it will be incomplete and contested.
Therefore he is betting on the Congress.

September 7th, 2013, 9:21 pm

 

zoo said:

A special report for the “fans” of Elizabeth O’Bagy and the suspicious “Institute of War”

Shady PR operatives, pro-Israel ties, anti-Castro money: Inside the Syrian opposition’s DC spin machine

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Shady-PR-operatives-pro-I-by-Max-Blumenthal-Inside-Job_Intervention_Obama_Opposition-130907-836.html

During the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Syria on September 3, Secretary of State John Kerry and Senator John McCain both cited a Wall Street Journal editorial by Elizabeth O’Bagy to support their assessment of the Syrian rebels as predominately “moderate,” and potentially Western-friendly.

“She works with the Institute of War,” Kerry said of O’Bagy. “She’s fluent in Arabic and spent an enormous amount of time studying the opposition and studying Syria. She just published this the other day. Very interesting [Wall Street Journal] article, which I commend to you.”

Kerry added, “I just don’t agree that a majority are al-Qaida and the bad guys.”

What Kerry and McCain neglected to mention was that O’Bagy had been recently hired as the political director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), a little known outfit that functions as a lobbying arm of the Syrian opposition in Washington.

Until today, O’Bagy had failed to note her role as a paid Syrian opposition lobbyist in her Wall Street Journal byline and did not note the position in her official bio at the Institute for the Study of War. Only after a storm of criticism did the Wall Street Journal insert a note in O’Bagy’s recent op-ed disclosing her paid position at SETF. O’Bagy was also compelled to amend her bio with a lengthy clarification about her work at SETF.

But her work at the Institute for the Study of War should have been enough to set off alarm bells.

“Logrolling for war”

The Institute for the Study of War’s (ISW) board of directors is led by William Kristol. Kimberly Kagan, the group’s president, was on General Stanley McChrystal’s strategic review team in 2009, advocating for a dramatic expansion of the US presence in Afghanistan. Her husband is Frederick Kagan, the AEI fellow who is the uncle of fellow neocon Robert Kagan.

In its 2011 annual report [PDF], the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) detailed its close working relationship with Palantir Technologies, a private surveillance firm contracted by Bank of America in 2011 in an unsuccessful plot to dismantle Anonymous and sabotage Glenn Greenwald.

The report listed New York Times reporter Michael Gordon as “ISW’s journalist in residence.” Back in January 2013, Gordon published an article pushing claims that Syrian army forces had used sarin gas, thus crossing Obama’s “red line” and triggering a US intervention. Noting that the State Department could not confirm the information in Gordon’s report, former Defense Intelligence Agency officer Pat Lang accused Gordon of “logrolling for war in Syria.”

Despite his past affiliation with a think tank dedicated to pushing for US intervention in Syria, Gordon remains on the Times’ Syria beat.
much more….

September 7th, 2013, 9:27 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors with their deep cover sources have been working hard behind the scenes and around the clock to bring to you the news before any one else does. They made this heads up available to us for release.

In an effort to gauge the Congress’ mood following the release of the incriminating videos, our team of deep cover implants explored the opinions of 300 congressmen about what they saw. The verdict was clearcut and unanimous. All 300 congressmen agreed that Mr. Obama has a slam dunk case to which they have to respond to positively when it comes to the vote sometime next week. The congressmen stated that they have a duty towards their conscieous not to let the horror perpetrated by Ass-head to go unpunished. They further stated that they will push for a revised resolution authorizing Mr. Obama to do whatever it takes in US power and its allies to make of Ass-head an example for future would-be despots. The congressmen also expressed their confidence that the American public would rally behind the Congress and President when it becomes fully aware of the depth and breadth of the atrocities perpetrated by Ass-head and his comrade gangs of Criminals Without Borders.

September 7th, 2013, 9:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrians close to the opposition are no more welcomed in Egypt.

Syrian refugees find hostility in Egypt

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-refugees-find-hostility-in-egypt/2013/09/07/fc54b832-17cc-11e3-961c-f22d3aaf19ab_story.html
….
The rebel Free Syrian Army, which Egyptian media has tied to the Brotherhood, is no longer seen as a friend to the Egyptian people, Bilal said. “People now look at us and say, ‘You are the traitors. You are the ones doing the killing in Syria.’ ”

Syrian refugees say they are insulted and taunted on the streets, charged double for commodities and services, increasingly mugged and robbed, and are harassed by police. Many said they hope to leave.

Linked with Morsi backers

Two weeks before the coup, Morsi delivered a fiery condemnation of Assad and vowed to support the Syrian revolution — words that proved unpopular at home.

Since Morsi’s ouster, Egyptian television channels have reported that pro-Morsi sit-ins have been packed with Syrians. Some outlets attributed both the Syrian uprising and the rise of Morsi in Egypt to an American plot to destabilize the region. Government officials said the Brotherhood was “exploiting Syrian refugee youth” in its struggle against “the Egyptian people.”

September 7th, 2013, 9:35 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama appeals to public to back US mly force in Syria

Sunday, September 08, 2013
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1-200670-Obama-appeals-to-public-to-back-US-mly-force-in-Syria

A Reuters/Ipsos poll this week said 56 per cent of Americans believed the United States should not intervene in Syria; only 19 per cent supported action.

September 7th, 2013, 9:38 pm

 

revenire said:

I remember the 2006 victory. That was only a few thousand rockets. You can imagine the rain of Hellfire that will come down now.

This might be the end of the Zionists once and for all.

September 7th, 2013, 9:46 pm

 

Syrian said:

معلولا ::
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
((وَلَا تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أَمْوَاتًا بَلْ أَحْيَاءٌ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ))

شهداء الجيش الحر ::
1- راكان العديوي الملقب (( بالدك )) / حمص – بابا عمرو /
2- سامر الشلة / حمص – بابا عمرو /
3- محمد الخالدي / حمص – بابا عمرو /
4- مهند حجازي / حمص – بابا عمرو /
5-محمد العمر / حمص – بابا عمرو /
6- عبد الله التويمي / حمص – بابا عمرو /
7- النقيب هــيــثــم القــــطيـــش / حمص – بابا عمرو /
8 – مصطفى الكحالة / ريف دمشق – يبرود /
9- القائد الميداني عبد الله شحادة (ابو عمر) / حمص – الضبعة /
10 – أحمد الدياب / حمص – القصير /
11- غطفان حسين نوف الرفاعي // ريف دمشق – رأس المعرة //

نال شرفوا الشهادة دفاعا عن مدينة معولا في محاولة للتصدي لاقتحام قوات الأسد المدينة .
اللهم تقبله في رحمتك و اجمعهم في جناتك .

September 7th, 2013, 10:12 pm

 

Syrian said:

بعض من قتلى شبيحه بشار الكيميائي في الأربــع والعـشـــرون ســاعـة المـاضيّـــة:

1- المجرم الملازم
“جـورج ميشـال عنقــة”
الخريبـات – طرطــوس
قتل في أريحا بريـف إدلب

2- المجرم
“حيـدر محمّـد سـليمان”
بشـــــبطـة – صـافيتـا
قتل في خناصر بريـف حلب

3- المجرم “رامـي فايـز ســلامـة”
الشــيخ ســعد – طرطــوس
قتل في الرحيبة بريف دمشــق

4- المجرم “عيسـى نمـر شـعبان”
السـعدانة – القـدموس
قتل في الرحيبة بريف دمشـق

5- المجرم “حسـين ديـب سـليمان”
مجدلـون البستان – صـافيتـا

6- المجرم “محمّـد أكـرم ســعد”
برمانـة المشـايخ – الشـيخ بدر
قتل في زملكـا بريـف دمشـق

7- المجرم “حســن علي ونــوس”
حي الغمقة الغربية – طرطــوس
قتل في درعـــــا

8- المجرم “عمـّــار ياسـين إبراهيـم”
المقبلــة – الشــيخ بـدر
قتل في ريـف اللاذقيـة

9- المجرم “كريــم عيسـى إبراهيـم ”
الجرينــات – صــافيتــا
قتل في حمــص

الى قعــر جهنــم وبئـــس المصيـــر …

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September 7th, 2013, 10:17 pm

 

Tara said:

Heart breaking videos! Can some one post individual links to the videos included in this article? Please !

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/500932/20130823/syria-chemical-attack-videos-gas.htm#.UivWC_q9Kc1

The one with the mother saying Goodbye to her dead child is very very painful.

September 7th, 2013, 10:23 pm

 

revenire said:

To Hell

September 7th, 2013, 10:23 pm

 
 

revenire said:

France Backs off Support for Syrian Strike

France backed away Friday from joining the U.S. in swift military action against Syria, isolating President Obama even more as he threatens limited strikes on the Damascus regime for its alleged use of chemical weapons.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/07/france-backs-off-support-for-syrian-strike.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=3

September 7th, 2013, 10:52 pm

 

revenire said:

Obama hints he may abandon Syria strike

President Barack Obama hinted Friday that he might not strike Syria if Congress rejects his authorization request.

“I’m not itching for military action… and if there are good ideas that are worth pursuing, then I’m going to be open to them,” he told one reporter who asked if he was seeking alternatives to a missile strike.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/obama-hints-his-may-abandon-syria-strike/#ixzz2eGZUzwOg

September 7th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Thanks very much.

All the while, Asma is celebrating the birthday of her alive child. 11,000 Syrian children were butchered by Assad since the beginning of the revolution.

http://syrianobserver.com/News/News/Asma+Celebrating+Daughters+Birthday+A+Slap+in+the+Face+for+Syrians

September 7th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

revenire said:

What a great family the Assads are. So caring. They love Syria more than they love themselves.

September 7th, 2013, 11:09 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Armed men who are dying in Syria are called criminals or martyrs based on who is talking, I prefer to call them victims, except for foreign jihadists. This war needs to end even if that leads to the partition or semi partition of Syria. One has to ask what those victims from Bab Amr ( 7 of them) were doing when they stormed the little Christian town of maloula and who sent them to their unnecessary death. The cowardly attack on maloula did a lot of harm to the rebels cause and they gained nothing from it. Rebels did not only killed 8 soldiers they also killed and kidnapped 8 civilians, their names were published today. Western and local reports blamed Islamists for the attack, as usual the FSA is trying to take credit for something they did not do, it was a nusra terrorist who dentonated himself inside a car full of explosives that started the senseless attack on maloula, the news of the invasion of that Christian town angered so many Christians all over the world, the regime could not have done a better job in portraying rebels as Christians hating violent thugs.

September 7th, 2013, 11:22 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This had more than 22,000 viewers in 24 hours:
Jumanah gives McCain a piece of her mind:

September 7th, 2013, 11:40 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara.
Hafer paid for Hama’s kids with Basel and Amjad in his life time.She will go through the same suffering that the Syrian mothers are going through. all those celebrating their death,or those with their kids and grand kids around them making up stories or looking for technicalities to deny those who lost their families to have thier story told ,will go through some kinda suffreing where they won’t find anyone to feel thier pain.

September 7th, 2013, 11:41 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

from walls

September 7th, 2013, 11:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Syrian
Our martyrs died for free Syria, we will have memorial for them,and every martyr name will be written on it, Syrians will be proud of this revolution for hundreds of years to come.
Those criminals who died for Assad will be forgoten,
Assad like nero,like Hitler, ceausescu,Gaddafi, like all other dictators will be remembered for their crimes, people will spit on them, curse them,

September 8th, 2013, 12:17 am

 

Ghufran said:

As insecurity becomes the norm in many parts of Syria and as hundreds of militias roam the streets in large parts of Syria, new business opportunities emerge: private security firms. Welcome to the new Syria:
أكدت مصادر خاصة لداماس بوست أن الجهات المختصة تقوم حاليا بدراسة الطلبات المقدمة إليها من عدد من شركات الحماية الخاصة بهدف الحصول على الموافقه اللازمة تمهيدا لإكمال إجراءات الترخيص ومباشرة عملها بشكل رسمي، بعد اختيار عناصرها وتدريبهم على كافه الأعمال والمهام والواجبات والالتزامات التي سيتم إسنادها اليهم بإشراف مدربين مختصين.
وكان الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد أصدر مرسوماً قضى بتنظيم عمل شركات خدمات الحماية والحراسة الخاصة في البلاد. 
ويتم بموجب المرسوم تنظيم عمل الشركات العاملة في مجال «الحماية والحراسة الخاصة ونقل الأموال والمجوهرات والمعادن الثمينة». وأوضح المرسوم ان الخدمات التي تؤمنها هذه الشركات تتضمن «حراسة وحماية المنشآت والممتلكات والوثائق والأفراد ونقل الأموال والمجوهرات والمعادن الثمينة»، مشيراً الى ان هذه الخدمات «تقدمها الشركة المرخصة اصولاً لمن يطلبها مقابل أجر».
وتصدر الموافقة على اقامة هذه الشركة عن وزارة الداخلية. واشترط المرسوم لمنح التراخيص ان يكون مالك الشركة سورياً وألا يقل رأس مالها عن خمسين مليون ليرة سورية (500 الف دولار بحسب سعر الصرف الرسمي).
ويمكن لصاحب الشركة ان يبين في طلبه حاجته «من الأسلحة والذخيرة والأجهزة والمعدات والآليات وتحديد أنواعها وعددها ومجالات استخدامها» على ان يحدد وزير الداخلية «الأسلحة المسموح باستخدامها في الشركة وتنحصر في المسدسات والبنادق الآلية».
كما يجوز للوزير الموافقة على تحديد أنواع أخرى من الأسلحة «إذا كانت طبيعة المهمة الموكولة إلى الشركة تقتضي ذلك». ولا يسمح، بموجب المرسوم، للعاملين «حمل السلاح خارج أوقات العمل واستخدام المسميات الخاصة بالجيش والشرطة والأمن والقيام بأي عمل من أعمال التحري أو جمع المعلومات». وحظر المرسوم على الشركة «أن تكون فرعاً لشركة عربية أو أجنبية أو التعامل مع شركات خارج القطر».

September 8th, 2013, 12:17 am

 

Syrian said:

“private security firms. Welcome to the new ”
in other words,we are out of fighters we will hire mercenaries.

September 8th, 2013, 12:27 am

 

Syrian said:

Majed,
Notice how the FSA never hide the names of their fallen, and how the mafia regime never acknowledge thier dead,they are already forgotten, chemical Assad did not even go to his brother in law funeral or his assassinated defense minster.
Ours are always in our heart and their families on our mind forever

September 8th, 2013, 12:40 am

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

Video including footage from RT showing the shelling of Ma’lula by Assad forces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll9fVpmsX9A#t=134

September 8th, 2013, 12:50 am

 

Hopeful said:

#364 Simohuttra

“Hopeful do you understand how idiotic you sound by admitting, that Iraq was total mess and then demanding actions against Syria using much of the same “reasoning” which were used in Iraq invasion. What guaranties can USA give that Syria will not become a even bigger mess than Iraq was. It can’t. The only guaranty USA can give is to its own military industry, that their turnover and profits will increase. The chance to limit the war from USA’s side to a couple of days cruise missile “lesson” are naive.”

First, where did you see in my post a “demand” for action against Syria? My point was that if an action happens, I will blame the regime for it first and foremost.

Second, yes Iraq was a mess, for all the reasons I stated in the post (which starts with Saddam), but that does not mean all military interventions will end up in a mess. I believe Kosovo and Bosina were successful and much-needed interventions.

Thirdly, of course there is no guarantee that things will be better after the strike. But I will rephrase what one young man in Syria once told me: there is no guarantee that things will get better after the revolution wins, but at least we will have a chance to try to make things better. Before the revolution, the only guarantee we had was that things WILL NEVER be better under this regime.

September 8th, 2013, 1:03 am

 

don said:

The White House’s Syria secrets

John Kerry was making his “beyond a reasonable doubt” case against Syria’s Bashar Assad last Wednesday when he gave lawmakers a bit of faulty intelligence.

“Just today, before coming in here, I read an email to me about a general, the minister of defense, former minister or assistant minister, I forget which, who has just defected and is now in Turkey,” the secretary of state testified before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “And there are other defections that we are hearing about because of the potential that we might take action.”

A few minutes later, Kerry revised his account: This official-sounding “email” was actually a Reuters news account about a former defense minister based on a claim by the Syrian opposition. “Reuters has now said the Syrian government is saying the defection has not taken place,” Kerry said. “So who knows whether it has or hasn’t?”

Who knows?!!!

This is the problem with the case the Obama administration is making for attacking Syria.

Estimates of collateral damage? “Lower than a certain number which I would rather share with you in a classified setting,” Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told lawmakers.

Response of the Arab and Muslim countries? “This is something I’d be happier discussing in greater detail with you in the closed session,” Kerry said.

Safeguards to keep military action limited? “We can talk about that in a closed session,” Dempsey said.

How would Russia and other Syrian allies respond to a U.S. strike? “We all agree that that would be best handled in a classified session,” Kerry said.

No, we don’t all agree.

Arming the Syrian opposition? That “would require a closed or classified hearing.”

The broad effects of the military strike? “I would prefer to speak out in a classified setting.”

Could Hezbollah have chemical weapons? “We need to talk about that in our classified session.”

Would allies join an attack? It “would not be appropriate to speak about in an unclassified setting.”

Could an attack make Assad use chemical weapons again? “I urge you to go to the classified briefing.”

At Wednesday’s hearing, Kerry said that “beyond a reasonable doubt, the evidence proves that the Assad regime prepared this attack.”

He then dangled this: “In an appropriate setting, you will learn additional evidence which came to us even today.”

But isn’t it “appropriate” for the American public to see some hard evidence? During Tuesday’s Senate hearing, Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., asked for the administration to “declassify a higher percentage of the information that we have so the American people and the international community can see it.”

Kerry said that the amount declassified is “unprecedented” and that what’s out there now is “sufficient.”

He may think so. But it’s not sufficient until the American public believes it.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesign/opinion/op-ed/the-white-house-s-syria-secrets/article_51df777a-6ff2-58cc-a1ef-bfcd71595b47.html

September 8th, 2013, 1:26 am

 

don said:

This one had 250,000 viewers so far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzH7BxFEzDs

This one had 68,000 viewers so far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOapBU5eZHA

436. Ghufran said:
This had more than 22,000 viewers in 24 hours:
Jumanah gives McCain a piece of her mind:

September 8th, 2013, 1:44 am

 

Hopeful said:

#443 Syr.Expat

Of course the regime will shell the rebels, hit the churches, and blame the rebels for destroying Maaloula. These idiots are handing the regime a great PR victory, at a time when Obama needs to rally public opinion to support his intervention in Syria. The people who decided to “invade” Maaloula now are either complete morons or are idiots used by the regime to do exactly that.

Many on this board do not like it when I criticize the rebels and opposition. But I have to agree that one reason this struggle has taken so long is because of the mistakes the opposition has made throughout the past 2.5 years. Assad said in his latest interview that he would not discuss/debate his own mistakes until after the war is over. I believe the opposition should do much better and debate its mistakes publicly and openly – starting with tolerating the foreign jihadists and their insane ideology.

September 8th, 2013, 1:59 am

 

Hopeful said:

Who are the victims of the chemical attack?

The videos clearly show faces of many of the victims of the attack:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/07/politics/us-syria-chemical-attack-videos/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Has anyone come across any web articles. blog posts, facebook pages, youtube videos, etc., identifying any of these victims?

September 8th, 2013, 2:25 am

 

revenire said:

At the G-20, Obama’s Syria Efforts Take a Hit as Putin Gains Support

The clearest blow to U.S. coalition-building at the summit came from the leaders of the E.U. In a briefing on Thursday afternoon, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso said the Syrian conflict was a “stain on the world’s conscience,” but stressed that the E.U. believes in a “political solution” to the crisis. Standing beside him, E.U. President Herman van Rompuy drove this point home. “There is no military solution to the Syrian conflict. Only a political solution can end the terrible bloodshed,” he said. Of all E.U. members, he added, “only France is ready to cooperate” with the U.S. on a military strike. So Europe’s joint statement at the G-20 would urge the U.N. Security Council to deal with the crisis politically, he said, echoing a point that Putin has long been making.

http://world.time.com/2013/09/05/at-the-g20-obamas-syria-efforts-take-a-hit-as-putin-gains-support/#ixzz2eHPhC5K7

September 8th, 2013, 2:25 am

 

revenire said:

Hopeful just make up names. That’s the whole idea.

September 8th, 2013, 2:26 am

 

revenire said:

People of the US hate McCain. You see it at his town hall meetings. He is an evil man.

September 8th, 2013, 2:29 am

 

Sami said:

Hopeful,

“Has anyone come across any web articles. blog posts, facebook pages, youtube videos, etc., identifying any of these victims?

So far the VDC has compiled a list of 620 names with corresponding pictures identifying the martyrs, the list is updated weekly.

http://www.vdc-sy.info/index.php/en/martyrs/1/c29ydGJ5PWEua2lsbGVkX2RhdGV8c29ydGRpcj1ERVNDfGFwcHJvdmVkPXZpc2libGV8ZXh0cmFkaXNwbGF5PTB8Y29kTXVsdGk9MTV8c3RhcnREYXRlPTIwMTMtMDgtMjB8

September 8th, 2013, 3:00 am

 

Juergen said:

BILD, one leading german newspaper has today published an interesting article.
They have summoned some information which leaked last weeks briefing of the parliament.

The german espionage ship “Oker” has collected phone calls between local military commanders and the high command in Syria. The commanders asked according to the report many times for a chemical attack on rebel hold areas, such pleas were always declined, also the order for the 21st of August attack was probably not given by Assad himself.

The german intelligence chief Gerhard Schindler (BND) has given a briefing for the security council of the german Parliament last week. Asked by the politicians whether we witness the end battle in Syria now, he used the comparison of Stalingrad.

“For the rule of the Alawite minority in Syria, which Assad belongs to, Damascus has a similarly high symbolic meaning as Stalingrad was for the Soviet Union under Stalin.”
Asked how long the war could long, he answered: “that could go on for years.”

September 8th, 2013, 3:52 am

 

Juergen said:

Reve

you should rejoice, the Nazis are demonstrating nowadays for Assad here- just a handful, but hey, we can make a bargain, I organize an flyout to happy basharland for these d***heads.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=585345811504492&set=a.512021808836893.1073741828.512020392170368&type=1&theater

September 8th, 2013, 3:55 am

 

Alan said:

Jurgen
your comment is a chronic condition of madness
The west is suffering from hysteria and blockage in the awareness and Bankruptcy!

September 8th, 2013, 5:15 am

 

apple_mini said:

I do hope the world will take this momentum of against any foreign military strike and intervention and elevate it to a powerful drive to end the war. At least give peace a chance.

The biggest hurdle is US policy. Its hitman in GCC and Turkey can be reined in just by pulling the leashes. John Kerry has been very vocal of hard-lined approach on Syria. His ambition is like a kite flying high. Yet his clumsy personal characters and conscience is like wild hog keeping wallowing in mud. His belligerent and vile obsession of military prowess contradicts his appointed role as someone in charge of foreign affairs of the most powerful country in the world. That kind of mindset even shocks Dempsey who is in charge of military affairs of US.

Only a moderate SOSD replacing Kerry might be able to make progress on Syria crisis.

We dare those handful leaders defy the united calls for Hands off Syria. This time people will win. And this will have long lasting impact and influence on modern history.

September 8th, 2013, 5:36 am

 

Alan said:

Syrian rebels post image of burning U.S. Capitol

As debate grows over the extremism of some armed factions battling to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime, an incendiary illustration on the Facebook page of one such group leaves little doubt where its leaders envision the uprising ending – with masked Islamic fighters marching through Washington, D.C., as the U.S. Capitol burns in the background.

The image is one of eight photos posted on the official Facebook page of the “Al-Aqsa Islamic Brigades,” a small armed Sunni rebel faction fighting with the Free Syrian Army, the main umbrella military organization of the opposition forces. Two other photos posted on the group’s page feature the widely recognized black flag of the al Qaeda in Iraq terrorist group, which operates freely in Syria.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/syrian-rebels-post-image-of-burning-u-s-capitol/

September 8th, 2013, 5:37 am

 
 

Alan said:

Fabius!
European jihadists are learning to use chemical weapons against civilians in Syria; soon they will use their skills against Europe.

Ils braquent un Quick pour financer leur jihad en Syrie
http://www.planet.fr/societe-ils-braquent-un-quick-pour-financer-leur-jihad-en-syrie.451129.29336.html

September 8th, 2013, 6:02 am

 

Syrialover said:

Little Bashar meets Gaddafi, while Daddy Hafez looks on proudly – photo from the archives.

Bashar with the role models he believes would be deeply proud of him today.

(Is that Bassel there as well? One day there’ll be reunion for all four in hell.)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=292165977510511&set=a.101506976576413.1946.101315439928900&type=1&theater

September 8th, 2013, 6:28 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

The west is suffering from hysteria and blockage in the awareness and Bankruptcy!

If i only had a penny for each time a mouthpiece blabbered this pathetic schizophrenic phrase, ir one of its endless variations, i would be able to finance a full cycle of US election. And perhaps there will be left-over to buy most of the senior officials in Russia.

Perhaps the agent cares to explain why is Russia trying so desperately to catch up with the “bankrupt west”?.

September 8th, 2013, 6:46 am

 

Hopeful said:

#400 Zoo

I disagree. This has nothing to do with Israel and Iran. Congress simply does not see Syria as something that affect the national security of the United States. Assad never threatened Israel in any meaningful way, and he is now reaping a reward in Congress who does not see him as a threat to the US. Iran, on the other hand, had directly threatened to wipe Israel off the map, and at the same time is developing nuclear weapons. Israel’s security affects directly the US’s national security, and therefore you will see a completely different response when it comes to that issue.

Having said that, Congress always only considers short-term national security issues, whereas the President considers both the long-term and the global responsibility of the United States as a super power. This is exactly why Clinton decided to go ahead and attack the Serbs in Kosovo despite both Congress’s and the Public’s opposition. Those lessons will not be lost on Obama.

I am hearing/reading rumors that there is behind-the-scene diplomacy and deal making regarding a settlement. I do hope it is the case. A serious threat of attack sometimes bear more fruit than the attack itself. I do not wish for the attack to happen, for the sake of Syria and for the sake of the US, but the “paralysis” on the ground has to be shaken, and I am 100% sure that it is the regime who committed this atrocity. (Just so that you do not jump on it, I am not claiming that the rebels did not commit other atrocities – perhaps chemical ones too – but not this one. Credit for this one goes to Assad’s thugs).

If Obama attacks, I support him, both as a US citizen and as a Syrian citizen.

September 8th, 2013, 7:01 am

 

Syrialover said:

With every post from APPLE_MINI I hear a voice wistfully, longingly singing the song of the Damascus bourgeoisie. The people depicted here:

http://www.maysaloon.org/2013/09/a-eulogy-for-damascus-bourgeoisies.html

Little Apple, you and all those others have to move on.

September 8th, 2013, 7:09 am

 

Juergen said:

strong words from Rafik Schami

“In the chaos, the dictatorship is the best organized force. ”

Rafik Shami was born in 1946 in Damascus. In 1971 he moved to Germany and studied chemistry in 1979 and put his doctorate. Today he lives in Marnheim (Pfalz). He is one of the most important German language authors. His work has been translated into 27 languages. Since 2002, Rafik Shami is a member of the Bavarian Academy of Fine Arts.

translated:

“The Syrian people wanted to breathe free, only live without fear. Forty years, the Assad clan enslaved and robbed the country. The West looked to not only but also helped with technical and military means, so that the regime remained as it was. Poison gas, internet technology, listening devices, missiles and advanced weapons would never have been possible without Russia, China and the West in the hands of the regime.

Since the first shot at protesters and a half years have passed. Meanwhile, the revolution has gone into a civil war. Revolutions suddenly come into the world, but they are slowly dying. Only the people rebelled six months peacefully, then soldiers split from the Syrian army and protected the demonstrators, then poured different groups of Islamists added to take advantage of the favorable moment, the largest group itself has contributed to the regime to do so. Islamist prisoners were released and armed to the intelligence so that they lead to confusion, division and chaos.”

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stern.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Frafik-schami-zum-buergerkrieg-in-syrien-der-freiheit-wuerdig-sein-2055880.html

September 8th, 2013, 7:49 am

 

Syrialover said:

HOPEFUL, a voice of sanity.

Reason.

Realism.

Optimism.

Stay with us.

September 8th, 2013, 7:49 am

 

Syrialover said:

– We must keep faith with millions of people in Arab world who want the dignity & freedom we have in our country.

– What want is a transitional gov drawn from the regime & opposition & the introduction of democracy in Syria.

Above are the latest tweets from the British Foreign Office (https://twitter.com/foreignoffice)

Now, let’s hear the brilliant and inspiring thoughts on offer from the Russian and Iranian Foreign Affairs Ministries.

Waiting, waiting …. the world is waiting.

To hear more of the dark, destructive and deadend vision these foreign totalitarian “governments” have for Syria.

September 8th, 2013, 8:15 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

JUERGEN,
Rafik Schami’s point of view on the role of the regime in arming the terrorist gangs and using them as its extension has also been considered, in details, in OTW’s recent post on WALLS

In the meantime, anyone heard much about the reported dramatic increase in suicide among die-hard loyalist soldiers in assad’s army?

September 8th, 2013, 8:20 am

 

Alan said:

war propeller
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BToeK2FIUAAcZLH.jpg
Wall Street Journal correspondent Adam Entous said in an interview with Democracy Now TV on Friday that Prince Sultan is already leading a covert campaign with the CIA to support the Takfiri militants operating in Syria.

September 8th, 2013, 8:31 am

 

Alan said:

/And perhaps there will be left-over to buy most of the senior officials in Russia./

These are the limits of the Western mentality!
Hamad and came after him Bandar missionaries from the United States and the result is clear to you! You have people sold and bought and track your history in this backward mentality!

September 8th, 2013, 8:40 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

So Apple Mini wants to oust John Kerry, next Apple will ask to replace Obama.

September 8th, 2013, 8:53 am

 

Tara said:

Hands Off Syria needs to shut up

10913 children slaughtered by Assad since the start of the revolution.  Among them 2305 were below age 10.  530 children were either summarily executed or slaughtered with knives.  9000 children below age 18 were arrested by the regime.  Lots of them were tortured.  79 died of torture.  Torture method used were similar to the ones used on adults such us causing rib fractures, pouring boiling oil on the skin, cutting the ears off, and using metallic forceps to remove human flesh.   

http://www.aljazeera.net/Home/GetPage/c54c246c-3a58-42e6-8ebc-076c30f509ce/544a0f3f-2428-4723-83b9-682aaf06005a

كشف تقرير للشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان عن وصول عدد الأطفال الذين قتلوا بسوريا على يد القوات النظامية إلى نحو 11 ألفا، بينهم 2305 أطفال دون العاشرة، مشيرا إلى أن النسبة الأكبر منهم قتلوا بالقصف وآخرين بالإعدام الميداني أو الذبح أو التعذيب.

وقالت الشبكة في تقريرها -الذي تلقت الجزيرة نت نسخة منه- إنها اعتمدت على أكثر من 100 مندوب منتشر في جميع المحافظات السورية، وإنها أجرت مئات اللقاءات والاتصالات لتوثيق مقتل ما لا يقل عن 10913 طفلا على يد القوات النظامية، مؤكدة أنها تحتفظ بأسمائهم وصورهم وتاريخ ومكان استشهاد كل منهم منذ بداية الثورة وحتى تاريخ مجزرة الغوطة الشرقية بريف دمشق في الـ21 من الشهر الماضي.

وجاء في التقرير أن عدد قتلى الأطفال ينقسم إلى 3399 أنثى و7514 ذكرا، وأن من بينهم 2305 أطفال لم يبلغوا سن العاشرة إضافة إلى 376 رضيعا، كما أن هناك ما لا يقل عن 530 حالة إعدام ميداني، وذلك إما رميا بالرصاص كما حصل في مناطق متفرقة، أو ذبحا بالسكاكين كما حصل في مجازر الحولة وحي كرم الزيتون وحي الرفاعي في حمص وحي رأس النبع وقرية البيضا في بانياس.

وفي سياق آخر، كشف التقرير عن اعتقال النظام أكثر من 9000 طفل (ممن تقل أعمارهم عن 18 عاما)، وقال إن الكثير منهم تعرض لأساليب تعذيب عنيفة جدا لا تكاد تختلف عن التي يتعرض لها الكبار حيث لا يتم التفريق بينهم في المعتقلات، وأضاف أن 79 طفلا لقوا حتفهم وهم بين يدي جلاديهم.

وذكر التقرير أنه سجل العديد من روايات الأطفال وشهاداتهم عن معاناتهم داخل المعتقلات، وذكر ستة عشر أسلوبا من أساليب التعذيب التي تعرضوا لها, ومنها تكسير الأضلاع وصب الزيت المغلي على الجلد وقص الأذن بمقص تقليم الأشجار وانتزاع اللحم عبر ملاقط معدنية.

كما تضمن التقرير روابط تحيل إلى عشرات التسجيلات المصورة التي تم رفعها إلى موقع يوتيوب على الإنترنت، وهي تتضمن روايات لأطفال يتحدثون عن مشاهداتهم المروعة خلال الثورة، ومنها تعرض منازلهم للقصف وإصابتهم برصاص قناصة أو شظايا قذائف، كما يتحدث بعضهم عن رؤيتهم لمقتل ذويهم وأمهاتهم على يد عصابات الشبيحة.

وعلاوة على ما سبق، تحدث التقرير عن روايات لتعرض عشرات القاصرات للاغتصاب، وأوضح معدو التقرير أنه يصعب وضع إحصائية دقيقة لهذه الجرائم بسبب رفض الكثير من أصحابها الحديث عنها، وأضافوا أن التقديرات تشير إلى وقوع أكثر من 400 حالة اغتصاب للقاصرات.

لزيارة صفحة الثورة السورية اضغط هنا
مصطلح الحرب الأهلية
وفي اتصال هاتفي للجزيرة نت، قال مدير الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان فضل عبد الغني إن مقتل هذا العدد الكبير من الأطفال ينفي عن الحراك الشعبي في سوريا صفة الحرب الأهلية، مشيرا إلى أن إجمالي القتلى الذين سقطوا بنيران قوات النظام تجاوز 100 ألف، وهو عدد كبير بالقياس إلى قتلى الحرب الأهلية في البيرو الذين بلغو 60 ألفا خلال 20 عاما.

وأضاف عبد الغني أن وصف الثورة السورية بالحرب الأهلية يساوي بين الضحية والجلاد، إذ أوضح التقرير أن عدد الأطفال الذين قتلوا على يد المعارضة المسلحة لم يتجاوز 22 طفلا، مشيرا إلى أن معظمهم قتل أثناء قصف قوات المعارضة لمناطق موالية للنظام.

وبالعودة إلى التقرير، فإن الانتهاك الأكثر انتشارا في صفوف الثوار هو استخدام الأطفال والقاصرين في عمليات دعم المقاتلين كالعمل الطبي والمراسلات والتجسس ونقل المؤن والطبخ، إلى جانب حمل السلاح في بعض الحالات النادرة، ويؤكد معدو التقرير أنه لم يتم توثيق حالات تعذيب أو اغتصاب لأطفال على يد الثوار.

وأوضح عبد الغني للجزيرة نت أن النظام السوري انتهك القانون الدولي الإنساني المعروف باسم قانون النزاعات المسلحة، وأنه ارتكب على نحو منهجي وبشكل يومي وواسع النطاق جرائم ضد الإنسانية تكفي لإسقاط سيادة أي دولة في العالم بحسب مبدأ الأمم المتحدة الذي يسمى “مسؤولية الحماية”.

يذكر أن الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان تعد مصدرا معتمدا من قبل الأمم المتحدة والمنظمة المختصة بتحليل ضحايا النزاع حول العالم، وسبق أن أشير إليها في إحصائيات الأمم المتحدة كواحدة من أبرز المراجع.

September 8th, 2013, 8:57 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Russia is buying Dubai
US is buying Russia
China is Buying the US.

Darn it, in the end, ALAN, who may own a laundered money apartment in Dubai, is itself owned, indirectly, by a chinese farmers’ collective on the borders with Mongolia.

September 8th, 2013, 8:57 am

 

Syrialover said:

MAJEDKHALDOUN, don’t be concerned by APPLE_MINI’s comments.

Little Apple wants the entire world to stop, to shut down, to go away. He just wants those elite shops and the rest of his dream world in Damascus to be left alone.

There’s a guide to his thoughts and feelings here: http://www.maysaloon.org/2013/09/a-eulogy-for-damascus-bourgeoisies.html

September 8th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

Observer said:

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صادق جلال العظم
7 آذار 2013

أسمح لنفسي أن أبدأ بالكلام قليلاً عن نفسي. كثيراً ما سُئلت ما إذا كانت الانتفاضة الشعبية في سوريا على نظام الاستبداد وحكمه وفساده قد فاجأتني أم لم تفاجئني؟ جوابي هو نعم ولا في وقت واحد. نعم، فوجئت بتوقيت اندلاع الانتفاضة مع تخوف كبير في البداية من احتمالات قمعها بسرعة بسبب مما أعرفه عن صلابة المنظومة الأمنية السورية وشراستها القمعية وتغلغلها في مسامات الجسم السوري وتحكمها اليومي بجميع حركاته وسكناته تقريباً. شكّل هذا الواقع عندي (وعند غيري) نوعاً من عقدة النقص الراسخة بالعجز أمام النظام العسكري الأمني الكلي وسطوته، كما أدى إلى استبعاد أية فكرة أو حتى احتمال لقول لا (فردية أو جماعية) كبيرة له. داريت عقدة النقص في داخلي بالتكيف اليومي البطيء مع هذا الواقع الأمني- الاستبدادي المرير والضاغط دوماً، كما داريتها بالاستبطان الجيد لقواعد وأصول التعامل معه بكل ما تتطلبه من نفاق وتظاهر بالتصديق والقبول والتكتم والتقية والتلاعب بالكلمات والتحايل في مواجهة القوة العارية. لولا ذلك لما تمكنت من الاستمرار في حياتي العادية والقيام بالأعمال الروتينية والمهام اليومية، أو من المحافظة على صحتي النفسية والعقلية.
كيف لي إذن أن لا أنحاز لهذه الثورة الشعبية العارمة ضد هذا النوع من الاستبداد والظلم والقهر بغض النظر عن طبيعة القناعات التي أحملها إن كانت يسارية أو ماركسية أو وسطية، أو حتى يمينية؟ مع ذلك، أعتقد أن المنهج الماركسي في البحث والتحليل والتفسير هو الذي يعطينا القدرة الأفضل والأرقى على فهم قيام الثورة وتحديد أسبابها الأعمق والبحث في خلفياتها التاريخية والاجتماعية وإلى جانبها والدفاع عنها.
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كلّا، لم أتفاجأ بالثورة على نظام الاستبداد – كما تفاجأ هو– بسبب من بعض التجارب والملاحظات الدالة والمستمدة من المعايشة والتفاعل الحي مع الحياة اليومية في سوريا وبخاصة في دمشق، وهي دلالات وملاحظات وتجارب أثبت النظام عجزه عن التقاطها أو حتى الاقتراب من معناها ومغزاها، لأن طبائع الاستبداد لا تسمح بذلك على ما يبدو. أعود لأقول بأني لم أتفاجأ بالثورة لأنه انتابني (كما انتاب غيري) إحساس مبهم بالتوجس والقلق والخوف على سوريا عموماً بعد القضاء على ما سمي في مطلع الألفية الثالثة بـ«ربيع دمشق»، حيث بدت لي سوريا عالقة على حافة هوة سحيقة ما، وأن السقوط آت لا ريب فيه. كانت الحياة في دمشق، على سبيل المثال، تبدو هادئة وعادية ورتيبة على السطح، مع ذلك كنت ألمس وأتأكد أن حمماً بركانية كانت تتفاعل تحت السطح بقليل والجميع يحاول التعامي عنها، قدر الامكان، على أمل أن تبقى تحت السطح لأطول مدة ممكنة ولا تطفو بسرعة على وجه الحياة في البلد. لما قامت الثورة، انفضّ هذا التناقض بين مظهر سطح الحياة الهادئ والطبيعي بزيفه وافتعاله، من ناحية أولى، وبين البركان الحقيقي الذي كان يعتمل تحت السطح، من ناحية ثانية، وكان لا بد لي أن أنحاز إلى الحقيقي والأعمق وأقف إلى جانبه وأترك لغيري مهمة تبرير السطح المزوّر والدفاع عن المزيف والوقوف إلى جانب التافه. استمعت إلى ناس عاديين جداً وبسطاء جداً يعبرون عن الاحساس بهذا التناقض بأقوال عاميّة عفوية مثل : «بدها كبريتة لتولّع»، «بدها شرارة لتهب»، «بدها ولعة لتشتعل»، «بدها فتيشة لتنفجر».

الإصلاح أو الطوفان
أما في الأوساط الثقافية فقد كان لكل واحد من المثقفين أسلوبه وتشبيهاته واستعاراته الخاصة لقول الحقيقة ذاتها. في مقابلة مع مجلة «نيوز ويك» الأمريكية سنة 2007، عبّر علي فرزات عن الوضع بقوله «إما الاصلاح أو الطوفان”، كان تشبيهي المفضّل في تلك الفترة هو أن سوريا الآن مثل طنجرة بخار ترتفع حرارتها بسرعة ويرتفع ضغطها ساعة بعد ساعة، علماً بأنه جرى تعطيل صمامات الأمان كلها. أما أحمد برقاوي فقد كان يقول في مجالسه الخاصة «إن الشرخ في سوريا قد وقع وقضي الأمر». وكان هناك من يموه على نفسه بالقول «الجميع يعرف حقيقة الوضع في البلد وما يجري فيه، ولكن ماشي الحال..». البعض الآخر توصل إلى قناعة “بأنه لم يبق من النظام سوى وظيفته كصمام أمان أخير حتى لا يقتتل السوريون فيما بينهم”، مع ذلك فوجئ النظام أكثر من غيره باندلاع الانتفاضة والثورة.
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أنا أدرك أيضاً أن الثورة السورية هي تصفية حسابات لسورية مع نفسها ودفع فواتير متأخرة عن ما سبق لنا من تقاعس وتخاذل وصمت وجبن سوري في لحظات مثل لحظة حصار مدينة حماة سنة 1982، وتدميرها والفتك بأهلها، ولم تحرك سوريا ساكناً يومها على الرغم من أننا جميعاً كنا نعرف تماماً ما الذي كان يحدث في حماة في ذلك الوقت. كما تقبّلت سوريا لفترة طويلة جرائم حكامها في القتل والتعذيب وارتكاب المذابح والحبس التعسفي والاختفاء القسري وعشرات آلاف المفقودين بهدوء، وكأنّ ذلك كله ممارسة عادية ومسألة طبيعية.
ثم جاءت لحظة توريث السلطة والحكم الجمهوري في سوريا سنة 2000، وبلعت سوريا الإهانة بهدوء ورصانة لا تحسد نفسها عليها في هذه الأيام، وتبذل الدماء الآن لمحو آثارها. وفي اللحظة التي حاول فيها «ربيع دمشق»إشعال شمعة عند نهاية النفق المظلم، تم القضاء عليه وعلى شمعته بشراسة مشهودة، ومرة ثانية سكتت سوريا وتقبلت قمع ربيع دمشقها بروتينية عجيبة. أعود لأقول، بثورتها اليوم تبذل سوريا هذا الكم الهائل من الدماء تكفيرا عن خطاياها هذه كلها ومحواً لعارها، ولذا أنا معها.

اليسار والثورة
أولاً، معروف أنّ اليسار كان يجمع ملتزمين ونشطاء وأنصار وكوادر ومؤيدين من الخلفيات والانتماءات الدينية والطائفية والمذهبية والجهوية والأثنية والعشائرية كلها باتجاه مستقبل يتجاوز الانتماءات والولاءات الأولية شبه الطبيعية هذه، باتجاه حالة مدنية وعصرية أرقى. بعد انتهاء الحرب الباردة وانهيار اليسار وتشتته في كل مكان تقريباً (بخاصة الأحزاب الشيوعية بتعددها وتنوعها)، ارتدّ الكثير من هؤلاء اليساريين إلى ولاءاتهم الأولى والأولية والأكثر بدائية، وبخاصة الطائفية والمذهبية والدينية منها، وأخذوا يحددون مواقفهم من الثورة استناداً إلى الولاءات والالتزامات التي عادوا إليها واحتموا بها وليس استناداً إلى يساريتهم المكتسبة والضائعة لاحقاً.
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ثانياً، بعد انتهاء الحرب الباردة أيضاً على النحو الذي انتهت عليه، انقسم اليسار إلى كتلة كبيرة تبنت ما يمكن تسميته «ببرنامج المجتمع المدني» والدفاع عنه، وهو البرنامج الذي يؤكد مسائل مثل: احترام شرعة حقوق الإنسان (حتى لو قولاً وبالحد الأدنى فعلاً)، أولوية فكرة المواطنة وممارساتها بالاضافة إلى الحقوق المدنية والحريات العامة، المساواة أمام القانون، فصل السلطات، علمانية الدولة وأجهزتها، القضاء المستقل، الديمقراطية وتداول السلطة والحكم فعلياً، وليس تداولهما بين الآباء والأبناء والأحفاد والأقرباء كما هو حاصل في سوريا اليوم.بعبارة أخرى، الكتلة الأكبر من اليسار تراجعت إلى خط الدفاع الثاني المتمثل «ببرنامج المجتمع المدني» والدفاع عنه في وجه الاستبداد العسكري- الأمني– العائلي القائم من جهة أولى، والظلامية الدينية القروسطية الزاحفة من جهة ثانية. أعتقد أن هذه الكتلة من اليسار على العموم متعاطفة مع الثورة في سوريا، وبالتأكيد ليس لها موقف عدائي منها أو حاد ضدها، علماً بأن لهذه الكتلة دور كبير في صناعة الربيع العربي عموماً. كما أن معظم اليساريين المؤيدين للثورة ينتمون إليها بصورة أو أخرى.
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أما الكلتة الأصغر من اليسار فقد تعصّبت لمواقفها السابقة، وكأن شيئاً لم يكن مع انتهاء الحرب الباردة وأخذت تميل مع الوقت إلى المواقف وأساليب العمل ذات الطابع الطالباني–الجهادي أو الطائفي المذهبي المنغلق على نفسه، أو حتى على الإرهاب «البن لاديني» بعنفه الأعمى نكاية بالغرب والرأسمالية العالمية (التي انضمت روسيا والصين إلى عالميتها) والامبريالية. هذه الكتلة من اليسار، عربياً وعالمياً، هي الآن الأكثر عدائية للثورة السورية والأقرب إلى دعم نظام الاستبداد العسكري والأمني والعائلي فيها بحجج كثيرة ليس أقلها تآمر الكون بأسره، فيما يبدو، على هذا النظام المحب للسلام والاستقرار وإن كانت سلامته واستقراره هما من قبيل سلام القبور واستقرارها. يطرب هذا النوع من اليسار بإشغال نفسه «بلعبة الأمم» و«بالتحليلات الجيوسياسية» الكبرى وبحكايات تصادم مصالح الدول العظمى ومشاريعها في الهيمنة في منطقتنا، ولا يريد أن يرى الثورة في سوريا إلاّ من خلال «طربه» هذا، مهملاً كل ما يمت بصلة إلى سوريا والسوريين الأحياء الثائرين اليوم، ومتغاضياً عن الأسباب التي دفعت شعبها إلى الثورة سلمياً وثم إلى حمل السلاح في وجه الطغيان «الوطني» الذي يتحالف معه هذا النوع من اليسار ويتعصّب له. بعبارة أخرى، لا مانع لدى هذا اليسار من التضحية بسوريا إن كان في ذلك انتصاراً موعوداً للجهة الدولية و«الجيوسياسية» التي يريد لها النصر العالمي في «لعبة الأمم»، أي أن الهم الأول عنده ليس سوريا وشعبها الثائر لاستعادة جمهوريته وحريته وكرامته، بل لعبة الأمم على مستوى الكون كله والطرف الذي يراد له الفوز فيها.

حال اليسار
قلنا إن اليسار بعد نهاية الحرب الباردة، تشظّى اليسار كثيرًا، وبات من غير المفيد الكلامُ عنه وكأنّه جبهةٌ واحدة.ولكنْ بقي قسمٌ صغيرٌ منه على حاله قبل الحرب الباردة، وذهب باتجاهٍ شبيهٍ باتجاهات “القاعدة،” على طريقة”الألوية الحمراء” في إيطاليا، و”العمل المباشر” في فرنسا، و”بادر ماينهوف” في ألمانيا في الربع الأخير من القرن الماضي. صحيحٌ أنَّ تطرف هذا القسم كان في بعض الحالات نظريًّا، ولكنه في أحيانٍ كثيرةٍ تحوّل إلى برامج عملٍ، فانضمَّ العديد من عناصره إلى تكتّلاتٍ مقاتلةٍ على أساس أنّها تقاتل الإمبرياليّة. وهذا النوع من اليسار “الأرثوذكسي” هو الذي لم يقف مع الثورة في سوريا، وهو موجودٌ في أوروبا كما في العالم العربيّ.
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أعتقدُ أنّ الكتلة الكبيرة من اليسار السوري تتضمّن من هو أكثرُ اعتدالًا، ومن هو أكثر تشدّدًا. لكنْ علينا ألّا ننسى أنّ الانتماء الطائفيّ داخل سوريا أدّى دورًا مهمًّا في الوقوف إلى جانب النظام أو ضدّه؛ وأنّ جميع المناطق التي دُمّرتْ تقريبًا كانت مناطقَ سنيّةً!
ما أريدُ قوله بكلامي هو أنّنا نتجنّب العاملَ الطائفيَّ في خطابنا الرسميّ، ولكنْ بلحظةِ صراحةٍ علينا أن نعترف بأنّ هناك عنصرًا طائفيًّا قويًّا يؤدّي دورًا مهمًّا في الثورة السوريّة. قضيّة الاتجاهات الإسلامويّة للثورة باتت جزءًا من اللعبة الطائفيّة: لعبها النظامُ أولًا، ثم بدأتْ تلقى ردودَ فعلٍ في أوساط الثورة ذاتِها وأوساط الشعب. فالتركيزُ على ضرب المناطق السنيّة بهذا الشكل سيجلبُ ردود فعلٍ، والبادئُ أظلم!
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ما بعد الثورة، إذا أصبحتْ هناك ديمقراطيّةٌ، سيكون في المجتمع كما أظنّ ما يسمّى بالإنكليزيّة checks and balances أيْ توازنات يكبح بعضُها بعضًا، وتمنع حدوثَ طغيان طرفٍ أو مؤسّسة، مثل المؤسّسة العسكريّة. وهنا أعتقد أنّ القوى اليساريّة ستؤدّي دورًا ضمنَ هذه التوازنات. كما أتوقّع أن تدخل الرأسماليّةُ السوريّة والبرجوازيّة السوريّة على الخطِّ بقوةٍ عندما تنتهي الثورةُ وتبدأ عمليّة إعادة الإعمار. ودورُ اليسار هنا قد يكون في الدفاع عن حقوق العمّال والشغّيلة الذين قد يُستغلّون في ظروف كهذه، إذ من الجائز أن تجدَ “رفيق حريري” أو اثنين أو ثلاثة في سوريا. ولكنّي أظنُّ أنّ معظم البرجوازيّة التي ستأتي ستكون سنيّةً. فمعظم أصحاب الرأسمال الكبير هم سنّةٌ في حلب ودمشق، ولكنّهم سنّةٌ معتدلون؛ إسلامهم هو إسلام “البيزنس” لا إسلامٌ محاربٌ أو يريد اضطهادَ الأقليّات. إنه إسلامٌ يريد وضعًا مستقرًّا لكي “تمشي” شؤونهم ومصالحهم.
وفي هذا السياق لا أرى أيَّ دورٍ قياديّ، لا لليسار التقليديّ ولا غير التقليديّ. وحتى يعود لهم هذا الدور القياديُّ قد يطولُ الأمر كثيرًا.

ثورة المساجد
كانت هناك إشارة إلى أنني وأنا صاحب كتاب “نقد الفكر الديني” اقف اليوم مع ثورة تخرج من المساجد. والواقع ان لا جديد في ذلك، وللتذكير كنت في أواخر السبعينات من القرن الماضي قد وقف مع ثورة الشعب الإيراني على الحكم الشاهنشاهي واستبداده وفساده وأجهزة مخابراته الشهيرة بشراستها هي الأخرى (السافاك) على الرغم من أن الدور القيادي لرجال الدين وآيات الله كان جلياً فيها منذ البداية، وعلى ما أذكر فإن اليسار في تلك الأيام كان برمته تقريباً مؤيداً لثورة الشعب الإيراني وداعماً لها ومهلّلاً لخطابها، على الرغم من خروج المظاهرات يومها من المساجد والحوزات والجنازات. الأمر المهم هنا هو الوقوف مع ثورة الشعب على الطغيان والعسف بغض النظر عن طبيعة الأماكن والمراكز التي ينطلق منها الحراك الشعبي الثوري أو يتجمع عندها.
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ووقفت كذلك مع لاهوت التحرير في أمريكا اللاتينية وغيرها من مناطق العالم، لأن لاهوت التحرير دعم الحراكات الشعبية التحررية في تلك البلدان ضد أشكال مثل طاغية مرزول على شاكلة سوموزا في نيكاراغوا وانقلابي مجرم مثل بينوشيه (Pinochet) في التشيلي، وحكم الجنرالات الدموي في الأرجنتين. بعد هذا كله، هل يمكن لمؤلف الكتاب المذكور أن يتقاعس أو يتخاذل في مسألة الوقوف مع ثورة الشعب السوري على حكم تفوق في طغيانه وقتله وتدميره على سوموزا وبينوشيه وجنرالات الأرجنتين وشاه إيران مجموعين كلهم معاً. التناقض هنا ليس عندي، بل عند الذين انتصروا في يوم ما لثورة الشعب الإيراني ولـ لاهوت التحرير وكنائسه ولحركات التحرر الوطني في كل مكان تقريباً ولكنهم يرفضون الانتصار لثورة الشعب السوري بذريعة أن مظاهراتها واحتجاجاتها تخرج من الجامع وليس من دار الأوبرا أو المسرح الوطني على حد تبرير السيد أدونيس.
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نعم، أخشى الإسلام السياسي بعد سقوط النظام وقبله. أخشاه لأسباب أبعد من الوجه الإسلامي الزائد الذي أخذت تظهر به الثورة السورية أمام نفسها وأمام العالم كله. أخشى ذلك لأنه في ثقافتنا ومجتمعاتنا ما يكفي من العناصر السلطوية والتسلطية والسلبطجية والأبوية والأبوية المحدثة والثأرية، بما يجعل إعادة إنتاج نظام الاستبداد مجدداً، بصورة أو أخرى، احتمالاً وارداً ومخيفاً مما يتطلب الحذر الشديد واليقظة التامة. في أحوالنا الراهنة لا يجوز الاستسهال باحتمالات نشوء استبداد عسكري ما، مثلاً، مغلفاً هذه المرة بالعقيدة الدينية والأحكام الشرعية والتعصب المذهبي. لذا أحاول أن أتابع جيداً ما يجري في مصر اليوم، إذ عندما أعطى الرئيس المنتخب هناك محمد مرسي نفسه، فجأة، سلطات وحصانات استبدادية من نوع «لا يسأل عما يفعل وهم يسألون» (وهذا هو تعريف الطاغية)، هبّ نصف المجتمع المصري تقريباً، هبة شعبية عارمة لمنع الرئيس من السير في طريق إعادة إنتاج الاستبداد في مصر حتى لو كان ذلك لفترة معلومة على حد زعمه، وحتى لو كان خطابه خطاباً إسلامياً وشرعياً، حتى مشايخ الأزهر وقفوا إلى جانب الهبة الشعبية كما صوتت القاهرة بـ «لا» مدوية على دستور مرسي المسلوق سلقاً من جانب الإسلاميين (كما يقول المصريون). ولا أعتقد أن سوريا ستكون أقل من مصر في هذا الشأن أو أقل حرصاً على حماية نفسها من عودة الاستبداد بأي صفة كانت. طبعاً، تبقى خيارات المستقبل وأشكاله التاريخية القادمة مفتوحة، ولا توجد ضمانات مسبقة لأحد خاصة عندما نكون أمام أحداث تاريخية كبرى مثل الثورات ونتائجها القريبة والبعيدة.
توقعاتي بالنسبة لهذه المسألة تتلخص في أنه بعد رحيل النظام، وعودة أهل حماة إلى حماه، وأهل حمص إلى حمصهم، وأهل حوارن إلى ما تبقى من بيوتهم، وبعد تجاوز مرحلة قلقة محتملة من الفوضى والانتقامات الثأرية وتصفية الحسابات بين عدد من الأفراد والمجموعات، سيسود مجدداً في البلاد والمجتمع مزاج التدين الشعبي السوري البسيط والسمح والذي عرفت به سوريا المعاصرة، وعرف به شعب سوريا منذ عهد الملك فيصل.
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من ناحية ثانية، عندما تبدأ عملية إعادة الإعمار والبناء، أعتقد أن رأس المال السوري والبرجوازية السورية عموماً ستتقدمان بقوة لقيادة مسيرة الإعمار والبناء هذه والاستثمار فيها والهيمنة عليها. وسترى سوريا على الأرجح بروز شخصيات ورجالات وقيادات جديدة طالعة من هذه الأوساط بحكم استمرار العملية وتصاعدها. لذا، أعتقد أن الإسلام الذي سوف يطفو على السطح سيكون إسلام “البزنس” وإسلام رجال الأعمال وأصحاب المشاريع والشرائح التجارية، وهو غير الاسلام السياسي الذي نتخوف منه بسبب تصلبه وتشدده في أتون المعركة الجارية.في مثل هذا المناخ المتوقع سيجري استيعاب تيارات الاسلام السياسي الأكثر تعنتاً وتخفيفها في بحر الاسلام الشعبي التقليدي ونموذج الاسلام التجاري–البزنسي السوري المعتاد. أي أن سوريا غير مرشحة لسيادة ذلك النوع من الاسلام الذي يمنع التعليم ويحرق المدارس ويغلق الجامعات ويعطّل المعاهد ويحرم المرأة من التعليم والعمل المنتج. إذا أوصلتنا الثورة إلى صناديق الاقتراع بأمان نسبي، لا أعتقد أن أياً من تيارات الاسلام السياسي في سوريا سيتمكن من اكتساح نتائج الانتخابات على الطريقة المصرية أو التونسية.
التجربتان التونسية والمصرية في ما بعد إسقاط النظام مهمتان في دروسهما بالنسبة للتجربة السورية، وربما نستفيد من مصرَ أكثر لأنّ العلاقات معها، تاريخيًّا، كانت قويّةً ومتشابكةً. وأرجو أن يتعلّم الإخوانُ المسلمون والجماعاتُ الإسلاميّة [في سوريا] درسًا ممّا يحصل في مصر، لأنّ محاولتهم احتكارَ السلطةِ أو القفزَ على مراكز الدولة ستؤدّي إلى ردود أفعالٍ شبيهة [بما يحصل ضد الإخوان هناك]. إنّ جوعهم إلى السلطة هو الذي جعل شخصًا كمحمد مرسي يعلنَ ذاته “معصومًا” لا أحدَ يسائله أو يناقش قراراته!

النموذج السوري
وإذا أردنا أن نشكّلَ مجلسًا نيابيًّا أو وزارةً، فيجب أن يكونَ هناك علويٌّ وإسماعيليٌّ ومسيحيٌّ وكرديٌّ وتركمانيّ وو… ولذلك لا بدّ أن تكون شيئًا من المحاصصة إلى أن نصلَ إلى وضعٍ نتحوّل فيه كلّنا إلى مواطنين (citizen)بغضِّ النظر عن تلك الخلفيّات. إنّ تجاوز المحاصصة بالمطلق مسألةٌ غير مفيدة. يمكن طبعًا أن تكون محاصصةً بطريقةٍ فجّةٍ على الطريقة اللبنانيّة؛ ولكن يمكن أن تكون أكثرَ رهافةً، وهذا ما أرجو أن تقدّم سوريا نموذجًا عنه.
عندما ينظر إلينا الغربُ يرانا “موزاييك،” ونظرتهم هذه ليست من دون أساسٍ واقعيّ. الآن نعترفُ ونقول “مكونات الشعب السوريّ أو العراقيّ،” و”الشعب العراقيّ أو السوريّ بكلِّ أطيافه.” أمّا هم فيرونه “موزاييك” ولا بدَّ من ترتيبه بطرقٍ معيّنة. وعندما يكون أصحابُ الموزاييك أنفسهم لا يعرفون كيف يرتّبون أحوالهم، فكيف نتوقّع من الغرب أن يرى عكس ما يراه؟

الطبقي والطائفي
واضح لي ان للثورة في سوريا بعدها الطبقي الصراعي دون الاستهتار ببعدها الديني–المذهبي الصراعي أيضاً، لكن علينا ألاّ نأخذ المسألة الطبقية هنا بمعناها الماركسي–الأوروبي الكلاسيكي، حيث تتواجه بروليتاريا صناعية وطبقة عاملة عموماً من جهة، مع طبقة برجوازية مالكة لوسائل الانتاج ومحتكرة لفضل القيمة، من جهة ثانية. الأقرب إلى واقعنا هو صراع طبقي كما شخصه وبيّنه فرانز فانون في كتابه الأشهر «معذبو الأرض» ومن المفيد العودة إليه اليوم في أية محاولة لتشخيص الثورة السورية وفهم طبيعتها، بخاصة أن فانون كان رائداً حقاً في وصف آليات ومراحل تحول قوى سياسية وأحزاب وتنظيمات بدأت كأحزاب وحركات تحرر وطني في مجتمعات عالم ثالثية مقهورة، إلى طغم حاكمة انفصلت تماماً عن بداياتها وقواعدها الشعبية الأولى وعن البرامج التحررية التي تبنتها بداية وعن الأغراض التي جاءت من أجلها لتقوم بقمع جماهير بلادها الشعبية من معذبي أرضها وتدوس على رقابهم، ثم تتجه بالضرورة إلى تمجيد القائد الأوحد الذي يخرج من صفوفها إلى رفع شخصه فوق مستوى البشر والأرض والوطن، وصولاً إلى درجة التأليه، وحتى تجاوز حدودها. هذا كله دفاعاً عن احتكار الثروة والسلطة معاً مع ما يرافقهما من امتيازات ومغانم ومصالح طبقية وفئوية ضيقة على حساب البقية الباقية من البلاد وأهل البلاد وشعب البلاد. فالصراع الطبقي موجود في الثورة السورية بهذا المعنى، حيث يقوم معذبو الأرض السورية بثورة على حكم وحزب وطغمة عسكرية– مالية أمنية متسلطة وعلى قيادة وزعامة «وطنية» أبديتها من أبدية الآلهة. المفارقة الملفتة هنا هي أن عمال وفلاحي وحرفيي وطلبة وصغار كسبة سوريا (والجيش الحر منهم وفيهم) هم الذين يشكلون القاعدة الطبقية للثورة على حزب كان يقدم نفسه في يوم من الأيام على أنه حزب العمال والفلاحين وعلى قيادة «وطنية» كانت تدعي أنها بالفعل منهم وفيهم وجاءت أصلاً لتخلصهم من مظالم إقطاعية وبورجوازية واستعمارية سابقة. هذه الكتلة من معذبي الأرض السورية لا تتحرك بوعي طبقي-مصلحي واضح وحيد، بل تتحرك أيضاً بفعل انتماءاتها الدينية وعواطفها الطائفية وولاءاتها المذهبية، وبنوازع الثأر والانتقام لكرامتها المهدورة وحرياتها المسلوبة، وواقع القهر الشديد الذي عاشته وتعيشه، بالإضافة إلى تهميشها الدائم وخيباتها المتراكمة والمستمرة.

الانتقال الديمقراطي
لا أعتقد أن سورياً واحداً اليوم يملك رؤية واضحة حقاً أو تصورا متماسكا لكيفية الانتقال الديمقراطي وألياته في بلده بعد رحيل النظام الأسدي. إذا أوصلتنا الثورة، بصورة ما، إلى صناديق الاقتراع، سأعتبر أن حقي قد وصلني كمواطن. من الطبيعي، كذلك، أن يتطلع شعب سوريا الثائر إلى يُسر الديمقراطية بعد عُسر الاستبداد والطغيان والقهر والحرمان. تفرض الديمقراطية نفسها هنا كخيار بديل لأسباب كثيرة على رأسها طاقتها الاستيعابية لعناصر الموزاييك السوري الغني الذي هو شعب سوريا بتنوعه وتلاوينه. يعني هذا أن الديمقراطية في سوريا ستحتوي على مقدار معين من «المحاصصة» التي لا مفر منها في الظرف الحالي، إلى أن نصل إلى ديمقراطية المواطن الحر بعيداً عن الاعتبارات الأخرى كلياً، أما الآليات الفعلية للانتقال إلى الحالة الديمقراطية، فلا يمكن الجزم أو حتى التنبؤ بها لأنها تعتمد على صيرورة الثورة ومسارها الذي مازال مفتوحاً على المفاجآت والاحتمالات كلها. الواقعية تدعوني إلى أن لا أتوسع في خيالي وتوقعاتي حول هذا الموضوع، بل النظر إلى الواقع كما جرى ويجري حولي، أي في بلدان مثل مصر وتونس وليبيا ولبنان والعراق حيث وصلت تلك المجتمعات إلى حالة ديمقراطية ما قلقة ومضطربة عبر مرحلة انتقالية كان فيها الكثير من العنف والقلاقل والغموض والالتباس، على أثر أحداث جسام زلزلت مجتمعاتها وأطاحت بأنظمة حكمها. وقياساً على هذا الواقع المُشاهد، أتوقع شيئاً شبيهاً لسوريا، ربما أكثر فوضوية واضطراباً وعنفاً من النماذج الأخرى لأسباب تخص الثورة السورية وتخص الوحشية الفائقة التي لجأ إليها النظام في محاولة قمعها وإيقافها.

المثقفون والثورة
تفاعل المثقفين مع الثورة شكل واحدة من قضاياها الأساسية. وهذا التفاعل أقيمه تقييماً إيجابياً على العموم. ولابد أن أذكّر هنا أنه قبل اندلاع الثورة بزمان بعيد، كان مثقفو سوريا (وما زالوا) من مالئي الدنيا وشاغلي الناس، وانطباعي هو أن أعداداً لا تحصى منهم تقف اليوم مع الثورة وتعبر عنها، كل على طريقته، وتعمل ما في وسعها على مساعدتها على الاستمرار والانتصار.
أما الحفنة الصغيرة من المثقفين والفنانين السوريين الذين ناصبوا الثورة العداء أو وقفوا ضدها بحياء أو بنوع من الحياد الإيجابي أحياناً والحياد السلبي في أحيان أخرى، فهم معروفون ومعدودون جيداً ولا يشكلون إلاّ قلة قليلة، ولا ينطبق عليهم، بالتأكيد، القول العربي الشهير «إن الكرام قليل»، في الوقت الذي تمر عليهم الثورة مرور الكرام.
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يعيدني السؤال عن علاقة المثقف بالثورة إلى سبعينيات القرن الماضي، حيث احتدم الجدل والخلاف والنقاش والفعل ورد الفعل داخل الثورة الفلسطينية نفسها حول هذه المسألة بالذات، وأسهم في ذلك كله وشارك عدد لا بأس به من مثقفي العالم العربي من كل مكان تقريباً. أثناء احتدام هذا الجدل، كنت أعمل في مركز الأبحاث التابع لمنظمة التحرير في بيروت وكنت عضواً مؤسساً لمجلة «شؤون فلسطينية» وعضواً في هيئة تحريرها. لذا تسنى لي أن أتابع عن كثب الضجة الكبيرة المثارة وقتها حول علاقة المثقف بالثورة. أما الرموز الملخّصة للشرر المتطاير وقتها فكانت: نموذج المثقف العامل في أجهزة منظمة التحرير، مثل مركز الأبحاث ومركز التخطيط وفي صحافة المنظمة وإعلامها، وحتى في مؤسسة الدراسات الفلسطينية المستقلة عن منظمة التحرير، يقابله نموذج الفدائي أو المقاتل في الخطوط الأمامية للثورة. أما الرمز الثاني فكان «الكلمة» في مقابل «الرصاصة»، وهل تفعل الكلمة فعل الرصاصة! وما صلة الرصاصة بالكلمة وأصحابها وما إلى ذلك من كلام سخيف. في التحليل الأخير، ظل هذا الخصام الثقافي عقيماً ولم يسفر عن نتيجة مفيدة لأحد، ووصلتُ إلى قناعة بأن السؤال بالأساس غلط بغلط، وبأن المشكلة الأولية زائفة ولا طائل منها، لأن المضمر في السؤال الأساسي هو افتراض شائع بأنه لا بد أن تكون للمثقف علاقة استثنائية بالثورة هي غير علاقة الطبيب أو الصيدلي أو المحامي أو الموظف أو الانسان العادي في الشارع، مثلاً. في نظري، يُحمّل هذا الافتراض الثقافة والمثقف أكثر بكثير مما يحتملانه من الأدوار والأعباء، فالمثقفون لا يصنعون الثورات أو يقودونها، قد يمهدون لها ويحرضون عليها ويصوغون بياناتها وبرامجها وينشرون دعايتها ويكتبون أدبها وينشدون شعرها وينتجون تحليلاتها ويموتون في سبيلها…، كما حدث مع غسان كنفاني وكمال ناصر ولوركا، وغيرهم كثير. لا أريد للثورة في سوريا أن تقع في مطب إعادة إنتاج هذا النوع من الخلاف والجدال والخصام، كما في كلام ظهر عن «الخنادق» و«الفنادق»، الذي أثبت عقمه عبر مسيرة الثورة الفلسطينية.
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بالنسبة لسوريا الجديدة، فإن أهم ما يمكن للمثقفين أن يفعلوه بداية، هو التخلص من شيء اسمه وزارة الثقافة، ومن شيء آخر اسمه وزارة الإعلام، ثم تشكيل هيئاتهم الثقافية ومنتدياتهم الأدبية وحلقاتهم الفكرية واتحاداتهم المهنية المستقلة ذاتياً كلها وإدارتها جميعاً بغير تبعية لأحد أو هيمنة لطرف. بعد ذلك، هناك ما هو متعارف عليه من قيم الدفاع عن حرية الفكر والضمير والتعبير والإعلام وتداول المعلومات التي يجب الحرص عليها بشدة والتي عانينا معاناة فظيعة بسبب سلبها واحتكارها وغيابها. بعدها، على المثقفين أن يجودوا بأفضل ما عندهم ولديهم ويقدموه للناس في كل مكان، حتى يبقى المثقف في سوريا الجديدة مالئاً للدنيا وشاغلاً للناس. وبالفعل، ملأ المثقفون السوريون الدنيا وشغلوا الناس أثناء «ربيع دمشق» على قصره. فعلى الرغم من عقود سورية– بعثية– مخابراتية طويلة من الرقابة والحظر والمنع والمصادرة للمطبوعات والكتب والمجلات وتمزيق الصحف والجرائد وطمس كلمات في المعاجم والقواميس وسيطرة وسائل إعلام وثقافة رسمية واحدة موحدة في سوريا ذلك الزمان، أثبت المثقفون، عبر ما أنتجوه من كتابات ووثائق وتحليلات وتعليقات وانتقادات ومقالات، في فترة «ربيع دمشق»، أنهم أبناء الحاضر بكل معنى الكلمة أسلوباً ومعنى ومحتوى، وأنهم لم يتأخروا لحظة واحدة عن عصرهم وزمنهم وعالمهم الأوسع بتطوراته ومتغيراته كلها. كما أثبتوا أن هذه السنوات الطويلة من سياسة الرقابة والمنع لم تؤثر فيهم بشيء أو تمنع عنهم شيئاً له علاقة بثقافة العالم وفكره وفلسفاته وسياساته وأخباره الأخرى. وليتبين، في التحليل الأخير، أن السنوات المشؤومة إياها ذهبت هدراً وسدى وكأنها لم تكن بالنسبة لسلطات الرقابة الحاكمة.
ولأكون واقعياً، أقول أنه إذا تحقق 25-30 بالمئة فقط من هذا كله في سوريا الجديدة، تكون سوريا، عندئذ، قد حققت تقدماً هائلاً وقفزة كبيرة إلى الأمام.

ازدواجية المثقف
بعيداً عن الاستعارات والتشبيهات بالأفاعي والحرباءات التي بدأها أدونيس، أقول: لا يوجد جواب جامع مانع وشافي عن كثير من الاسئلة المتصلة بنعقيدات الصراع الدائر بين المقاتلين لأجل الحرية وأهل الطغيان، لا سيّما بغياب أية معطيات موثوقة أو معلومات ميدانية أو عمليات سبر للرأي العام عموماً ولدى المثقفين تحديداً. لذلك لا بد لي من الاستناد في كلامي حول الواقع والمستقبل السوريين إلى الحدس والعموميات والانطباعات لا أكثر.فالاختلاف في توجهات المثقفين، كأفراد وكمجموعات، والتنوع في أمزجتهم وطبيعة اهتماماتهم، لا تسمح بأجوبة شافية ودقيقة في هذه المسألة.
بالنسبة لي شخصياً، مطلوب من المثقف أن يأخذ دوماً المستجدات التي يأتي بها الواقع المتغّير في الاعتبار، واستيعابها بصورة أو أخرى، بعقلية نقدية منفتحة، أي نقدية بالنسبة للواقع المتغير نفسه ولاتجاهات تغيره، من ناحية أولى، بالنسبة لذات المثقف نفسه، وللمقولات والمسلمات والافتراضات التي يحملها أصلاً ويقارب بها الواقع المتغير، من ناحية ثانية. أفترض أن المثقف الجاد والمثابر يمتحن جهازه الثقافي والمعرفي والفكري بما يحمله من التزامات ومسؤوليات على الواقع المتحرك كما أنه يعيد النظر في جهازه المعرفي والثقافي هذا على ضوء تجربته مع الواقع ومتغيراته ومستجداته. كما أنه يستخدم جهازه في نقد الواقع حين يرى لزوماً لذلك. أصلاً، الثقافة الحية حقاً لا تتوقف عن نقد وإعادة نقد نفسها وعن إعادة النظر في افتراضاتها الأولية وفي منطلقاتها الأساسية، وإلاّ لما تمكنت من تجاوز حاضرها وصنع مستقبلها. أعرف أن هذا كلام في العموميات، وإذا أردت التحديد أذكر، مثلاً، أن مثقفاً وشاعراً كبيراً مثل محمد الماغوط انتهى إلى حالة من اليأس العميق والتشاؤم الذي لا يرحم والسوداوية المفجعة في مواجهة الواقع العربي المتغير وتعامله معه. فضّل أدونيس الإنكار والتهرّب والتبرير في تعامله مع الواقع المتغير الذي اسمه الربيع العربي وبخاصة الثورة الشعبية في سوريا. كان أدونيس قد رفع شعار «مواقف من أجل التغيير والحرية والإبداع» في مجلته المعروفة «مواقف»، لكن عندما بدأ التغيير الجدي في سوريا واقتربت الحرية من سوريا، تراجع أدونيس أكثر من خطوتين إلى الوراء، بدل الاستيعاب النقدي الجاد لمستجدات الواقع العربي المتغير، وبدل إعادة النظر النقدية في مسلّمات جهازه الثقافي والمعرفي على ضوء الواقع العربي والسوري المتحرك والجديد. تفترض الشعارات إياها أن مثقفاً مثل أدونيس سيكون في طليعة المنحازين للتغيير والحرية في سوريا، مثلاً، والدفاع عنهما، ولكنه فضّل النأي بنفسه عن هذا كله ورمى بشعاره في مزبلة التاريخ.
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وفي وقت سابق من العام الماضي حاولت كغيري العثور على تفسير منطقي، او موضوعي للموقف الغريب الذي اتخذه هذا الشاعر من قضية الحرية ومواجهة الطغيان في بلاده سوريا. وخلصت إلى التالي: في هذه اللحظات المفصلية من تاريخ سوريا استفاقت (شيعية) أدونيس وأرجع ذلك إلى مرحلته الخمينية مع اندلاع الثورة الإسلامية في إيران، واستمرار موقفه حتى فترة تسعينات القرن الماضي كما ظهر في قضية سلمان رشدي الذي حكم عليه الخميني بالإعدام (تلفزيونيا) وحينها لم ينطق أدونيس ببنت شفة دفاعا عن حرية الكاتب وحقه في الحياة والاستمرار في الكتابة على الرغم من أن قضية رشدي سيطرت ثقافيا على عقد التسعينات.
عندما بدأت الحرية تقترب من سوريا، وسوريا تقترب من الحرية وعندما اقتربت سوريا من التغيير، والتغيير اقترب من سوريا، أخذ خطاب أدونيس يتلعثم ويتأتئ ويفأفئ، وبدلا من أن يكون خطابا واضحا وصريحا، أخذ شكل: نعم ولكن أو نعم وإنما.. وكان يوزع نصائحه على الطرفين في سوريا، وكأن طرف الشعب الثائر يساوي الطرف العسكري المضطهد.. أي المساواة بين الجلاد والضحية»
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من جهة أخرى، نحن نعرف أن الواقع المتغير يتغيّر أحياناً ببطء شديد، مما يؤدي إلى الإحباط والقنوط، وفي أحيان أخرى يتغير بصورة فجائية زلزالية وكوارثية تؤدي إلى الذهول والضياع لدى المثقف وغير المثقف على حد سواء.ولا توجد طريقة حتى الآن لتحديد مسبق لطبيعة تعامل أي مثقف أو مجموعة من المثقفين مع هذا النوع من التغير الفجائي الزلزالي الذي اسمه الثورة في سوريا اليوم وكيفية تعامل المثقفين السوريين وغير السوريين معه.
مثال آخر، شكل كل من هزيمة العرب أمام اسرائيل في حرب 1967، وانهيار الاتحاد السوفيتي والفكرة الشيوعية بأكملها معه، تغيّراً تاريخياً من النوع الفجائي الزلزالي الكوارثي في الواقع القائم. وليس هنا المكان المناسب لمحاولة رصد تعامل المثقفين العرب، مثلاً، مع هذين المتغيرين، فهناك من استوعب المستجدات وفهم المغزى، وهناك من نقد الواقع والذات في الوقت نفسه، وهناك من رفض وكابر، وهناك من أنكر وبرّر، وهناك من يئس وترك، وهناك من طار عقله كما بيّن ممدوح عدوان في كراسه الجميل «دفاعاً عن الجنون»، وهناك من … وهناك من … السؤال صعب ومتغيرات الحياة العربية بخاصة، تجعل الإجابة عنه أكثر صعوبة من السؤال نفسه.

ملاحظة جانبية:
عندما نتكلم عن الفعل الثقافي وفاعلية الثقافة، لا بد من أن نأخذ الأمر على الموجة الطويلة، وليس بمناسبة حدث ما بعينه حتى لو كان ثورة عارمة، لأن الفعل الثقافي تراكمي اجتماعياً وبطيء تاريخياً، ولا تظهر نتائجه النوعية إلاّ متأخرة. عندما تابعت ما كان يجري في ميدان التحرير في القاهرة وفي الميادين العربية الأخرى الشبيهة به، ودققت في الشعارات المرفوعة والمطالب المطروحة والأهداف المطلوبة والأشواق الفائضة، وسمعت كلمات وعبارات صادرة عن هذه الجموع الشابة مثل: الكرامة والحرية والعدالة الاجتماعية والدستور والتسامح الديني والمجتمع المدني وحقوق الانسان، فكرت فوراً بالفعل الثقافي التراكمي الذي فعلته سلسلة طويلة من المثقفين والأدباء والمفكرين وأساتذة الجامعات تمتد، لربما، من أحمد أمين إلى عبد الله العروي ومحمد عابد الجابري، مروراً بـ طه حسين وفؤاد زكريا وزكريا ابراهيم ولويس عوض وزكي نجيب محمود ونصر حامد أبو زيد، وفي سوريا تحديداً بـ جميل صليبا وأنطون مقدسي وأديب اللجمي وعادل العوا وياسين الحافظ والطيب تيزيني، إلى آخر اللائحة الطويلة جداً.

المثقفون ومواقفهم
ولو كنت سأستطرد في التساؤل حول المثقفين ومواقفهم من القضايا الكبرى، وبينها الثورة، فلابد من استبيان ذلك عبر مسح للآراء، لا أعرف أحدا قام بمسح لآراء المثقفين واطّلع على المواقف التي اتخذوها أو أجرى مقابلات معهم. هذه المسائل ضعيفة في بلادنا ونعتمد غالبا على الحدس والانطباع وقراءة يومية للوضع. إذا أخذنا مثقفا مصريا كمثال وهذا ينطبق على عدد من الدول الأخرى، التي تشهد تحركات وانتفاضات، فسنجد أنه قد عاش ضمن نظام له طابع شمولي ديكتاتوري يحد من الحريات والتعبير عن الرأي وهو مضطر كمصري بشكل أو بآخر أن يتعامل مع هذا النظام.
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أنا لا أعتقد أن هذا الشخص مثلا جنّد نفسه لخدمة النظام. أنا أعتقد وأعرف من تجارب كثير من المثقفين، أنه لكي يستطيع المرء أن يستمر ويقوم بعمله كأستاذ جامعة مثلا أو ككاتب يقدم عددا من التنازلات، حلول وسط ضمن حدود، بتقديره هو لا تحرجه، يعني لا “تسوّد صفحته”.
عندما تحدث ثورة يصبح دور المثقف مثل أي مواطن آخر. من الممكن أن يخاف أو أن يشارك بقوة. وبعد نجاح الثورة كل هذه الكوابيس ترتفع ويشعر أنه تحرر من الاضطرار إلى تقديم هذه التنازلات، ويستطيع أن يتحرك بحرية. هذا النوع من المثقفين لا أظن أنهم مضطرون لأن يقوموا بنقد ذاتي، من الممكن أن يفسروا أو يشرحوا.ولكن هناك مجموعات أخرى كانت أبواقا للسلطة، عملت في الإعلام أو لعبت أدوارا تبريرية للنظام، مجدت القائد أو الرئيس. هؤلاء بلحظة يقظة ضمير من الممكن أن يعتذروا. ولكن مهما عملوا لن تصدقهم الناس ولن يستطيعوا تبيض صفحتهم، الكثير منهم ينسحبوا، يتراجعوا.
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ما زال الوقت مبكرا على فتح نقاش جدي حول المواقف المختلفة التي اتخذها المثقفون من السلطة والمجتمع. لا بد أن تصدر عدد من الأصوات أو المواقف، التي تدعو إلى هذه المراجعة. أنا لا أريد أن أقسو على المثقفين، إلا إذا كان واضحا مثلا كما هو في حالة جابر عصفور، المدير السابق للهيئة العليا للثقافة والذي أصبح وزيرا للثقافة في آخر أيام الرئيس مبارك ، الذي كان إلى حد ما محافظا على مسافة بينه وبين نظام مبارك وبعد ذلك سقطت هذه المسافة. هؤلاء لا يمكن أن نحترمهم بعد الذي حصل. والآن تظهر قوائم مع الأشخاص والمؤسسات التي قبضت من القذافي. بعد أن ترسو هذه الثورات ويتشكل نظام مدني ديموقراطي، عندئذ من الضروري فتح هذا النوع من النقاش. لكن أنا أعتقد أن دور المثقفين كان مهما من ناحية التحضير للثورات.

وزن المثقف
لامناص من الإقرار بأن تأثير المثقف في المجتمعات العربية ضعيف بشكل عام هناك ضعف ولكن هناك جانب آخر أيضا. نحن متأثرون بنموذج المثقف الفرنسي، كمثقف عام، له رأي في كل القضايا المهمة والكبيرة. من ناحية أخرى في المجتمعات التي مستوى الأمية فيها عال يكتسب المثقف دورا أكبر وأهم. ولكن ليس بسبب أهمية المثقف أو بسبب عمق أفكاره ولكن نسبة إلى مستوى التعليم أو الثقافة السائدة في هذا البلد. أحيانا المثقف الحديث عندنا ورث دور الرجل الفقيه، رجل الدين في السابق. هناك شيئ باقي، لمسة، نظرة، شيئ من الاحترام الذي يُكنّ لرجل الدين انتقلت لمسة منها إلى المثقف.
ولكن إذا أردنا أن نتحدث عن الفاعلية المباشرة طبعا ضعيفة. الأمر كان سيختلف إذا كانت الحريات متاحة كمواطن أيضا ليس فقط كمثقف، عندما يدّرس في الجامعة مثلا تكون هناك حصانة لأرائه. إذا فكرنا بالدور الذي قام به المثقفون في دول أوربا الشرقية مثل تشيكوسلوفاكيا والاتحاد السوفياتي في إنهاء الحكم الاستبدادي، نرى أنهم لعبوا دور تحضير وبلورة الأفكار. مقارنة بأوربا الشرقية دور المثقف العربي أضعف ولكن هناك شيئ شبيه.
وعن تجربتي كمثقف علماني لا أدعي أن المجهود الذي قمت به مع مثقفين سوريين وعربا أدى إلى الثورات، ولكن من دون شك هناك تراكم، ليس فقط تراكم نشاط المثقفين، أيضا تراكم الواقع، والمثقفون يواكبون هذا الواقع، يعبّرون عنه ويصفوه. عبروا عن انسداد الأفق أمام التجارب الأخرى مثلا التجربة الاشتراكية العربية أو التجربة الناصرية. بدؤوا يتكلمون عن البدائل وأن البديل الوحيد عن الاستبداد هو الديموقراطية ، في نفس الوقت تم طرح فكرة المواطنة. دارت نقاشات كثيرة وأنا أحد المشاركين في هذه المناقشات عن موضوع أهمية المواطنة، إذا أردنا نتجنب حرب أهلية طائفية.

نموذج مدني
منذ مدة طويلة وقف عدد كبير من المثقفين بشكل واضح وصريح وأحيانا بشكل غير مباشر عبر الأدب، عبر الرمز مثلا مع قضية المجتمع المدني ودور المجتمع المدني، وقفوا مع قضايا حقوق الإنسان، أكدوا على المواطنة والحريات العامة. إذا رجعنا إلى “بيان الـ 99” سنة 2000مثلا ، وهو بيان وقعه مثقفون، جميع الشعارات تقريبا التي رفعت خصوصا في تونس ومصر موجودة فيه: رفع حالة الطوارئ أو المطالبة بالحريات موجودة هناك. كل الشعارات والآمال والتوجهات المطلوبة موجودة. لعب المثقفون دورا من هذه الناحية، خصوصا العلمانيون والمستنيرون لدرجة أن الأحزاب الدينية الرئيسة على طريقة “الأخوان المسلمون ” تأثرت بأطروحاتهم.
وهناك أيضا دور كبير للنموذج التركي، أقصد بذلك نموذج الإسلام التركي، أي وجود حزب مرجعيته إسلامية في بلد يعتبر نفسه مسلما، بلد مهم، له تراث إمبراطوري، ويصل هذا الحزب إلى السلطة بطريقة سلمية ديموقراطية سلسة بدون أن يشك أحد في نزاهة الانتخابات ولا يؤدي إلى خراب مثل ما صار في أمكنة أخرى حيث حاول الإسلاميون الوصول إلى السلطة مثل مصر، سوريا، الجزائر أو السودان. ناقش المثقفون هذا النموذج وأهميته بالنسبة إلى التداعيات وتطبيقاته والتشبه به.

المولود الديمقراطي
وصف مثقّفون عرب انتخابات رابطة الكتّاب السوريين بأنها “المولود الديموقراطي الأول للثورة السورية” على اعتبار أنها وللمرة الأولى تجري انتخابات حرة على هذا المستوى. ولم يبتعدوا عن الحقيقة في ذلك. فرابطة الكتّاب السوريين هي أول نشاط مدني وثقافي وإجتماعي حر. وتكمن أهمية هذه الرابطة في أنها عبّرت عن الانفتاح الديموقراطي الذي تَولّد عن الثورة السورية، وكشفت مدى حاجة السوريين لمناخ حر بعدما كسروا جدار الخوف.وهذا ما يفسر تداعي الكتاب والمثقفين لتجاوز ما أسميه العطالة أو القصور الذاتي السابق والمساهمة بالحراك الثوري وتقديم شيء ما للثورة. ولا شك في أن الانتخابات التي اجريت في القاهرة لانتخاب الأمانة العامة للرابطة عبر الاقتراع الالكتروني تشكل أول تجربة للمجتمع المدني من الناحية الثقافية.
ليست الرابطة هيئة تمثيلية ولا تعكس بالضرورة كل مكوّنات الاجتماع السوري بل هي تمثل فئة من الكتّاب الذين تطوّعوا وأرادوا الانتماء اليها بهدف مساندة الثورة ووضع إطار ديموقراطي مستقل لعموم الكتاب. وكما ذكرتْ الرابطة في بيانها التأسيسي، فهي تعمل على إستعادة دور الثقافة من الناحية التغييرية.
***
ولعل انضمام عدد كبير من الكتّاب العرب الى الرابطة هو فعل تضامني رمزي وفخري أكثر منه فعلي، ولا نريد المزايدة على موقفنا من العروبة مقارنةً بإتحاد الكتّاب العرب، وهذه الرابطة تمثل الكتّاب السوريين من جهة وتريد تأكيد البعد العروبي من جهة اخرى.

September 8th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

Alan said:

I’m happy for the English! at the end, some of their voices became a law for UK !

Today we are witness to the emergence of new changes in the Western world! the whole world is up! Bravo! here it is the most natural western spring!

Britain has banned the U.S. to use its air force base in the operation against Syria
U.S. aircraft are prohibited from using British military bases to strike at Syria, ITAR-TASS reported. The ban came Air Force Base Akrotiri in Cyprus and the long-range strategic air base of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean……

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frussian.rt.com%2Farticle%2F15122&s
andbox=1

September 8th, 2013, 9:16 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALAN, our expert on matters Russian.

What is Putin’s response to this statement from the British Foreign Office?

“We must keep faith with millions of people in Arab world who want the dignity & freedom we have in our country.”

(https://twitter.com/foreignoffice)

Has he got a counter-comment?

September 8th, 2013, 9:18 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALAN, now’s your chance to make Putin shine.

What does he think of this proposal from the British Foreign Office?

“What we want is a transitional gov drawn from the regime & opposition & the introduction of democracy in Syria”

(https://twitter.com/foreignoffice)

September 8th, 2013, 9:23 am

 

Alan said:

http://mfd.ru/static/content/blogpost/14587/8%204.JPG
http://mfd.ru/static/content/blogpost/14587/8%205.JPG

Kou Kou !!!
Turkish and British fighters were alerted and went to the borders of Syria. The reason for departure were unidentified planes …

September 8th, 2013, 9:33 am

 

apple_mini said:

As expected, given enough time the lies and exaggeration provided by US administration are gradually exposed and debunked, in particular those hypes and shameless claims done by John Kerry.

In the last several days, some main stream media started to publish doubts about the direct link between Assad and his inner core to the CW attack in Ghouta.

Today intel picked up by German intelligence was reported and it clears the connection.

My personal guess is that some rogue commander in SAA ordered the attack and even that was miscalculated. Hence we saw heavy casualties among civilians.

Nevertheless, we do hope the culprit will be held responsible and be punished.

Kerry and US government deliberately omit the arguments whether Assad is directly responsible. They intentionally blur the lines to demonstrate the chain of commands in order to serve their agenda.

The moral obscenity of US government just keeps piling up.

September 8th, 2013, 9:36 am

 

revenire said:

Is Putin a member of Syria Comment? That would explain how Matt and Josh knew Assad was living on a Russian ship.

September 8th, 2013, 9:42 am

 

Alan said:

483. REVENIRE
LLLOOOOOOLLLLLL !!!!

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

revenire said:

Apple – I can’t imagine any Syrian commander stupid enough to use chemical weapons knowing it would only give a reason to the US to attack. That would be suicide.

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

To say there is no military solution(MS) for the conflict in Syria is wrong, they should say we are for political solution(PS) not military solution.US does not want for either side to win militarily.

Political solution depends on the military power for each side, change the balance of military power will directly effect the political solution.

Arrogance on either side is the cause of MS, arrogance is due to ideology or believes,one side believes in freedom and democracy, the other side believes in dictatorship and dominance, there is no compromise between the two believes, political solution requires compromise, so political solution is only a temporary arrangement(transitional period),or postponing the end

September 8th, 2013, 9:44 am

 

Syrialover said:

REVENIRE, why are you mocking ALAN?

His job is to channel and represent Putin here and he is proud of it.

Let him answer my serious questions for Putin without your space-wasting childish antics.

September 8th, 2013, 9:54 am

 

مندس said:

I look forward to Bisho’s first tape recorded speech 🙂

September 8th, 2013, 10:00 am

 

Syrialover said:

#482. APPLE_MINI

Are you trying to tell us now that Bashar isn’t in control and responsible for the burning and gassing of Syria being done in his name?

Do you see little Bashar standing there in short pants in a puddle of piss looking anxious and saying “teddy did it” ?

I think it’s because he can’t grow a moustache that you dismiss and disrespect his role as a powerful “leader”.

September 8th, 2013, 10:05 am

 

Alan said:

Syria: The Cost of Irresponsibility
http://journal-neo.org/2013/09/07/rus-siriya-masshtaby-agressii-i-otvetstvennost/
….
It’s crystal clear now that there’s no stopping the American war machine, that has decided to crush the Assad regime no matter what. All the attempts to reason the White House warmongers by saying that they are crossing all the red lines in the world will fall flat. It’s the help of Iran and Hezbollah that can make a change for Syria in the face of all-in military assault. But if Assad should really fall, it will change nothing. The Iraqi-like civil war will last for years to come and should the former pro-Assad fighters resort to subversive activities at home and abroad, blowing the American, Turkish, Israeli, Qatari and Saudi cities, a word “terrorist” won’t be applied to them. They will be the patriots striking back at the heart of ruthless aggressor’s lair, just like the Belarusian, Polish and French guerrilla were fighting the Nazi. This will put an end to the anti-terrorist activities worldwide, since the word itself will lose its meaning. If it hasn’t lost it already due the United States that have been fighting alongside Al-Qaeda and Taliban in the Syrian conflict, obeying the will of the countries that have been supplying terrorists for decades. The heritage of 9.11 is now all but forgotten.

Mr. Obama clearly fails to understand what he is up to. The total chaos on a worldwide scale, the extinctions of all norms of international conduct, the decay of international law and a final blow to the UN as a place to communicate and reason – this is the outcome of his actions that will serve a doubt-proof excuse for all those willing to attack the European and the American cities, for those who are willing try to destroy the global economy as it is, those willing to establish a total Wahabiite rule across the Arab world. They are there, waiting to get an excuse for their future actions…

These days even a cold mind can easily believe the Nostradamus predictions, feel uncomfortable about the Mayan calendar, since the world these days can easily come to an end. The horsemen are coming and people soon will be fighting for food, water, ethnicity, religion, regime change, borders, pretty much for everything in the absence of international norms. And there will be only one country, one person left to blame.

There’s still time, but in order to stop this mayhem the world should say “no” to war in Syria, not only for the sake of Syrian people, but for the sake of all people worldwide

September 8th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

Tara said:

So now the loyalists admit that the regime committed the chemical massacre but in an effort to save Batta, they are placing the blame on rogue elements within the regime that acted on their own to exonerate dear leader.

I find that a more compelling reason for the west to intervene militarily. Syria has the largest stockpile iof chemical weapons in the world and Assad can’t control his own commanders who have used it against Syrian children and in the future can sell it to another rouge elements that can use it against Israel.

Please continue to shoot your self in the foot. Your stupidity is staggering.

September 8th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

revenire said:

The People of Syria Support President Bashar al-Assad
From our Dear friend Qussay

Let me tell you about my beloved SYRIA …

Syria … the land of Jasmine and Roses … their fragrance lingers on you while you walk the ancient roads of Damascus the oldest city in the world … Syria … the land of peace and harmony … Syria … the home of the Profits and prophesies … Syria … the home of Jesus and Mohammad … Syria … the land where the Church and the Mosque stand hand in hand … Syria … the Nation where the State’s head Islamic reference is assisted by a Christian adviser … the land where History started … and where History is going to end … Syria … the home of generosity … Hospitality … and kindness … !!!

Syria … is where every guest is welcomed and pampered … Syria … is every genuine smile … handshake … and invitation you receive when visiting … Syria is Freshness … fresh food … fresh breeze … fresh water … fresh smiles … !!!

Syria … the Den of the Lions … the home of a young … educated … kind … brave … courageous … peace loving … patriotic … faithful and honorable leader by the name of Dr. Bashar AlAsad … !!!

A leader who has rebuilt Syria … who encouraged education … who fought literacy … who insured free schooling … free medical treatment … who raised the national budget from 43 Billion Syrian Pounds to over a Trillion Syrian Pounds within 10 years … a leader that increased minimum wage for the Syrian worker 3 times within 10 years from almost 3.5 thousand S.P a month to almost 15 thousand S.P a month … !!!

Syria a country free of DEPT !!! a country that is totally self sufficient … starting from a little screw to the car … a country that survives on it’s own food and produce … Syria … is one of the few countries in the world where you buy bread and Fuel at a price of 1/3 of it’s cost … !!!
For God’s sake … is this a country that deserves to be hurt … ???
Is this a leader that deserves to be fought … ???

To all of you out there … open your minds … open your eyes … open your ears … after all this … do you think you live in a better country … ???

And do you have a leader more loving and more patriotic than ours … ???

I assure you not … !!!

It is actually your leaders that should step down … for all the harm they have done to you … your Economy … your International reputation and relations … !!!

They are making the whole world hate you … !!!

So Please wake up and do something for your country and yourselves … !!!

This is Damascus …

The Den Of The Lions …

So Keep Your Filthy Hand Off Of It …

Qussay …

—Shaima

September 8th, 2013, 10:17 am

 

revenire said:

Tara’s hatred is only matched by her ignorance.

If memory serves, the nation with the largest stockpile of chemical weapons on Earth is the USA.

The US used these chemical weapons in Iraq just a few short years ago (after Bush lied about WMDs and over a million Iraqis died).

Syria never signed the CWC. It is a sovereign nation. If attacked it should use whatever weapons it has to defend itself. This would also be the perfect time to use them on any, and all, armed opposition groups inside Syria. Make the American allies inside Syria suffer. Annihilate them.

Isn’t that what anyone would do if someone was coming to kill them?

Of course it is.

It is called the right to self-defense. The US has nothing to say. They dropped the atomic bomb on the Japanese. They used napalm on Vietnamese women and children. They will use giant ‘smart’ bombs to murder Syrians. Syrian women and children will be torn to a million pieces by American bombers. Syria has the right to defend herself with any weapon it has. Obama doesn’t run Syria. Assad does.

Give the order Dr. Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 10:24 am

 

revenire said:

I believe everyone here, no matter what side they are on, remembers the American lies about Iraqi chemical weapons that led to a war where over one million died through the combination of savage bombing and genocidal sanctions against the Iraqi people.

The Americans knew they were lying before they started the war.

It is the same today in Syria. Obama knows that neither Assad, nor his generals, ordered any attack with chemical weapons.

Everyone here knows it too.

September 8th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

If the senate passes and alllows the strike it does not matter for Obama when the house declines, The president can go on with the strike, Senate support guaranttees there would not be impeachment of Obama if he strikes.
Then comes the outcome, if Assad becomes weak as the results of the strike, and lose, all members of the house who oppose the strike will be in very embarrassing situation when re election comes
A strong detering strike is the only choice for Obama

BTW I agree that calling the strike equal to AlQaida airforce is ” cheap line to garner headlines”as Adam Kenzinger said

September 8th, 2013, 10:42 am

 

zoo said:

Al Ghouta: The SNC has only identified 395 victims many by only their first name. The question is: If they are from the village, why can’t each of the ‘1459’ victims be fully identified? These are some of the many mysteries of that attack that the US prefer to ignore.

Doubts linger over Syria gas attack evidence

http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Doubts-linger-over-Syria-gas-attack-evidence-4796441.php?cmpid=usw

The Obama administration says 1,429 people died in 12 locations mostly east of the capital, an estimate close to the one put out by the Western-backed Syrian National Coalition. When asked for victims’ names, however, the group provided a list of 395. On that list, some of the victims were identified by a first name only or said to be members of a certain family. There was no explanation for the hundreds of missing names.

In Ghouta, Majed Abu Ali, a spokesman for 17 clinics and field hospitals near Damascus, produced the same list, saying the hospitals were unable to identify all the dead.

Casualty estimates by other groups are far lower: The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says it only counts victims identified by name, and that its current total stands at 502. It has questioned the U.S. number and urged the Obama administration to release the information its figure is based on. The AP also has repeatedly asked for clarification on those numbers.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders says it has not been able to update its initial Aug. 24 estimate of 355 killed because communication with those on the ground around Damascus is difficult. That estimate was based on reports from three hospitals in the area supported by the group.

Moreover, the group, whose initial report was cited in U.S. and British intelligence assessments, has rejected the use of it “as a justification for military action,” adding in a disclaimer published on its website that the group does not have the capacity to identify the cause of the neurotoxic symptoms of patients nor the ability to determine responsibility for the attack.

September 8th, 2013, 10:52 am

 

Alan said:

Redjeb T Ardogan ! can use paracetamol Suppository to lower the temperature!
Turkish jets “have the permission to open fire in case of hostile movement” on the border – local media

September 8th, 2013, 10:54 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

OBSERVER
Thank you for posting Sadeq Jalal Alazm’s article. I have seen it before, but I confess my guilt in having read it, perhaps a little hastily the first round over. Your posting encouraged me to read it again, but with more focus this time, hence the delay in responding.

It will take much longer space than one would find here to discuss Alazm’s ideas, densely peppered throughout the article. I think he is writing with cautious optimism concerning the role of intellectuals in the future, and with generous, yet contemptuous but masked cynicism about the “traditional” left, especially those who upon the collapse of the soviet union fraud, managed to hide their deep sectarian fears behind a thin veneer of liberal-secularism in general, and/or so called Anti-imperialist Syrian Nationalism, more specifically. The old days of Syria comment were rife with such examples, as well as of the examples of those who can easily describe an experience similar to that of Alazm in the sense of “surviving” and being able to pass a long an idea or two showing some sort of “independent” thinking from the flock.

First, i thought that Alazm seems to under estimate the numbers of those leftists or intellectuals (the two are not necessarily synonymous) who adopted the liberal ideas at first, but then became vicious enemies of the revolution. But after thinking a little bit more, i gathered that Alazm’s definition of intellectual is for sure to be more rigorous and demanding than mine. For example, he would never call someone like Charmine Narwani (even though she is not an Arab) an intellectual. Adonis, on or Nazih Afsh, on the other hand are intellectuals, and we found like we found with Alazm, that their role may later be judged, independently of their current stance, as part and parcel of the collective, incremental formation of the revolutionary consciousness, or of parts of it. I would not say the same about Saadi Youssef, but that is a purely personal judgement of the value of his work. With that in mind, i realized that the group he talks about is a rather narrow group. The rest, which would not enter his calculations, are mere demagogues, with little deep knowledge of history and much hype, borne of their artificial stature, made through regime controlled media. The group that falls well within this description, which should have never been looked upon as an “intellectual” group, is the actors group. Syrians tended to look at actors, without any real justification, as intellectuals. Now we find that a vast majority of them were mere “professional” actors and are completely out of their league with respect to humanity and culture. Nothing is really wrong with this image, and it is a healthy discovery that will allow us to start demanding more from ourselves and less from what we create as role models.

Like Alazm, my concern with political Islam in the “political” life in Syria is almost identical to that of the philosopher and sociopolitical thinker. I do fully agree with him that the real problem is in our inheritance of despotic tools, mindset, and vulnerabilities. We see this everyday now with the ability of groups like the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant to establish despotic rules with threat and intimidation, and outright criminal replay of the thuggish regime. Notwithstanding the fact that in this particular case, we are talking about a terrorist group that was founded by assad and his goons and that is peppered with his men at various levels of its hierarchy, their ability to enforce, even if temporarily, and with terrorism, a despotic primitive structure, reaffirm Alazm’s idea.
One group of potentially very influential intellectuals that has skipped Alazm, perhaps because of the fact that he moves within the circle of professional intellectuals whose primary “intellectual” output is writing or in the art, is that group of intellectuals who do not produce much in the arts or literature, but are more tuned to the pulse of society, are activists (whether political or civil society) or are merely content with their other professional roles in the society. There is no need to enumerate these possible professions, but it suffices to say that in their case, these are both consumer of the work of productive intellectuals, but also translators of that work into daily life, be it political, professional or social.

There is much more to say, and perhaps more at length later. But for now, I will refrain from saying it, mainly because the difference between a giant thinker like Alazm and someone like me is that thinkers can read the details, but never allow such details to preoccupy their realities, which provides them with the clarity of vision to see trends, larger movements. People like me tend to remain occupied with the ripples and we have to keep watching for the thinkers to see and recognize the wave.

This has always been my beef with Joshual Landis and his colleagues, whose obsession with the details of each and every single “family” size armed group with beards has completely blinded them, and continues to blind them from being well informed about the far more important issues. They have taken that to the far extreme, to the point that robbed their product from intellectual content. I can afford that, because my professional life is not centered on making intellectual contributions. Sadly, neither they, nor us, can afford the anemic intellectual level, and occasionally counter-intellectual level of their work. Sorry I had to write that, but my feelings are well known and I have never shied from expressing them on this issue.

September 8th, 2013, 10:58 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

robbed not robed….

September 8th, 2013, 10:59 am

 

Tara said:

“There was no explanation for the hundreds of missing names.”

Simple explanation. Families in there enteritis perished so no one looked for them.

So far not a single lie is sticking. Try harder.

September 8th, 2013, 11:19 am

 

ghufran said:

WASHINGTON (CNN) – After endorsing President Barack Obama’s plan to launch military strikes against Syria, Sen. John McCain warned the president would face impeachment if he were to put “boots on the ground.”
McCain told Phoenix radio host Mike Broomhead on Thursday that the president had “bungled” the entire handling of the Syria crisis and would open himself up to impeachment hearings if he overstepped the limits of the authorization before Congress.

Obama is already looking at an expanded bombing campaign despite his famous ” little strike” slogan:
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is preparing for a longer bombardment of Syria than it originally had planned, with a heavy barrage of missile strikes followed soon after by more attacks on targets that the opening salvos missed or failed to destroy, officials said.
The planning for intense attacks over a three-day period reflects the growing belief in the White House and the Pentagon that the United States needs more firepower to inflict even minimal damage on Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces, which have been widely dispersed over the last two weeks, the officials said.
(such a plan, if delivered, will undoubtedly lead to the expansion of the war, Assad may not be willing or able to hit US targets but he will hit Syria’s neighbors)

If you were wondering why parties like Assad, KSA, Erdogan, KSA and Qatar are not budging, the answer is simple:
they asked Pharaoh: who pharaonized you? he said I did not meet anybody who was able to stop me !!
The coward Bedouins in the GCC in particular will not stop until they feel the heat.

(I indeed like Sadeq and I have relatives who personally met with him. people like him will be useless if we end up with a divided country ruled by war lords or if Islamists ascend to power. This uprising was a problem waiting to happen, I warned my family about it since the early 1990s, and I knew that there will be some type of a civil war with a sectarian tint instead of a white popular coup, most of my relatives , Syrian and Palestinian, refused to leave Syria and they have not changed their mind yet. The article is a good read)

September 8th, 2013, 11:24 am

 

revenire said:

Identification of the dead children in Ghouta

Following the broadcasting of the images of the massacre in Ghouta, distributed by the Free Syrian Army and relayed by US and French services, Alawite families from Latakia have filed a complaint for murder.

Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture [1].

They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool).

The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.

They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.

Contrary to the sayings of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the ’’crimes of Bashar el-Assad’’ are in reality their killers.

[1] « About the videos of the August 21st massacre », Voltaire Network, August 30th 2013.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article180015.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/article180130.html

September 8th, 2013, 11:26 am

 

revenire said:

Tara’s own rebels murdered these Alawite children. She has no shame. As long as America attacks Assad and murders him she will be happy. That is all it is about for her – hatred of Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 11:28 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
Previously you said the strike will be mild, now you are saying the strike will be strong and over long period of time, can you make up your mind please?

Apple Mini admitted that rogue officers decided for CW use ,and Assad has not ordered it, Apple says she is looking forward to punish such officer, I wonder if Maher ordered the CW attack would he be punished?the answer no, not even if a cousin of Assad ordered such attack

September 8th, 2013, 11:39 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

499. Tara said:

“There was no explanation for the hundreds of missing names.”

Simple explanation. Families in there enteritis perished so no one looked for them.

Impossible to believe your explanation Tara. Surely the people in Syria have besides family members, friends, neighbours, teachers etc who know their names. Not all were killed. Also I believe in Syria all adults must have personal identity papers in their pockets when they are not at outside their home. If it was a chemical attack most victims died at home/place were they lived, so their name and address is known. As you know the bodies of killed in this kind of chemical attacks are not difficult to recognize. Not like those killed in explosions of suicide bombers or bombs.

If US president and foreign secretary claim exact numbers of victims USA also must have watertight proof of that on what those numbers are based. They can’t do like they did in case of Iraq, if the truth is something else what USA claims, when the said “well, well also all others believed that Iraq has hidden WMD’s”. There is no room to “believe” this time.

September 8th, 2013, 11:48 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
What a stupid idea you come out with, in Ghouta there are white and brunette color people, and in Alawi mountain there are white and brunette color people.
I am not surprised that you come with such stupid idea, Buthaina Shaaban is not white

Further why Ghouta, why not gas them in Aleppo or Homs?

September 8th, 2013, 11:52 am

 

Tara said:

Buthina is blond blue eyed but masquerading as dark.

I am glad WSS caught the hint if racism.

September 8th, 2013, 11:59 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
If you are intelligent you would have known that identification of anyone who has no ID or relative close by, ID will be difficult right away, it takes days or months to ID someone,but sooner or later they will be identified

September 8th, 2013, 12:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed I only report the facts. Please don’t shoot the messenger. If the truth makes you squirm I suggest asking God to help you atone and repent. I can’t do that. Sorry brother.

I am not certain why talk to me here… perhaps you see me as a father figure and want me to forgive your sins?

These were kidnapped Alawite children. Your Nusra friends used chemical weapons. This puts you, and your associates, in an impossible position.

September 8th, 2013, 12:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Iran, Iraq Warn against Repercussions of Syria Strike

Iran-Iraq FMs Iran Foreign Minister Mohammad Jawad Zarif stressed that who will launch an aggression against Syria will not be able to set limits for it, noting that Obama was entrapped.

“Iran is worried about inflaming a regional war whose repercussions will reach the world,” Zarif said,” We call on the parties of the Syrian crisis to pursue the political track in order to reach a solution.”

Iran FM pointed out that Tehran will exert all possible efforts to prevent the US-led strike against Syria, adding that the role of Iraq and other states is basic to halt the war which harm the entire region.

“Iran and Iraq have the right to condemn the use of chemical weapons more than any other country as we were the victims of these weapons,” Zarif emphasized.

Iran FM had already met Iraqi PM Nuri al-Maliki ad Speaker Osama al-Nujaifi to view Iraq’s attitude towards the war against Syria.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=109569&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=24&s1=1

September 8th, 2013, 12:04 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir said he only report facts,
Revenir these are lies not facts

September 8th, 2013, 12:15 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Back to Prof. Landis statement
Bombing is not a solution,
Please remember bombing was a solution in Kosovo, President Clinton won,and ended Molosovic, Clinton was praised for what he did.
At that time Russia did not defend the Serb as much as Putin supported Assad.
Obama will come out very victorious,and it will be what Obama will be remembered for,

September 8th, 2013, 12:44 pm

 

revenire said:

Can Obama look stupider? He now says “common sense” is the proof Syria used chemical weapons. Common sense and YouTube videos provided by Nusra. It is hard to believe this is real.

US: ‘Common-Sense Test’ Holds Assad Responsible
WASHINGTON September 8, 2013 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/white-house-gain-support-syria-strike-20191391

September 8th, 2013, 12:44 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#468 SL

Thank you for your compliment. Judging by the number of “thumbs down” I get (and you got on your post), many on this forum either do not share your opinion, or do not like sanity, reason, realism and optimism!

Take your pick 🙂

Do not worry my friend, I am not going anywhere! Despite the fact the Zoo decided he won’t talk to me anymore!

September 8th, 2013, 12:56 pm

 

ghufran said:

“Ghufran
Previously you said the strike will be mild, now you are saying the strike will be strong and over long period of time, can you make up your mind please”

majed, I am not sure what is wrong with you, however, let me assume that you really did not understand:
I have not changed my opinion on the scope of the strike if it happens because I do not believe Obama is ready or willing to be part of another war. what I posted was information given to news sites by pentagon officials, sometimes that is done as part of a welfare. I hope this ” helps” you understand, a round of barbaric Persian tea and asfahani argileh may also help, my friend.

September 8th, 2013, 12:58 pm

 

revenire said:

BIG NEWS: French president Hollande now saying UNSC agreement should be sought for any attack on Syria.

September 8th, 2013, 1:02 pm

 

Alan said:

Excuse me, Mr. Putin! seems a monkey with a grenade does not want to go out of the impasse?

US snub of Syria talks ‘proof of weakness in position’ – Duma speaker
http://rt.com/politics/russia-us-syria-parliament-503/

September 8th, 2013, 1:04 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Now, “COMMON SENSE” is proof to start a new war in the toxic Muslim world of the Middle east! Can’t wait to hear from Judge Jeanine on Fox News!

September 8th, 2013, 1:13 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our deeply entrenched benefactors who are able to bring you the news before it happens have made these two extremely important heads up available for release.

First, our benefactors would like to assure you that despite their success in lobbying the US administration to reconsider its initial plans for the upcoming military operation against Criminal Pervert, Ass-head, they continue to work hard and around the clock to convince the Administration to further increase the scope and objectives of the much awaited operation. Our benefactors hope that their efforts will bear fruit and will keep you posted as they develop.

Second, we would like to bring to you the glad tidings that Operation Ma’aloula has born fruit. The city is now under the full control of the glorious revolution of the Syrian people. This development happened overnight with the influx of huge number of revolting Syrians into the city forcing the coward and lowly Shabiha of Ass-head and other outcasts of the Criminal Pervert gangs of criminals to withdraw after suffering heavy losses in lives at the hands of the brave and victorious fighters of the Syrian Revolution.

In a related development, our benefactors have decided to blacklist this site and its administrators as tools and accomplices of the regime of the Criminal Pervert. The decision has been taken due to reports which surfaced recently clearly showing that the objective of this post is sheer propaganda, falsification and aiding and abetting the crimial regime. One such report came to the open in which Father Yazigi categorically denied any so-called targeting of historical sites such as Deirs or Churches by the glorious revolting Syrians. Father Yazigi was speaking from Amman under no duress whatsoever and he affirmed that what is going on in Ma’aloula is no more than a military operation. On the other hand, reports surfaced about plans being drawn by the Criminal Regime to send in teams of Shabiha dressed in Revolutionary uniforms to commit atrocities against Christian people and sites, record the atrocities, and publish them as acts perpertrated by the revolution. Needless to say, this tactic has always been a trade mark of the Criminal regime since the glorious revolution of the Syrian people was born.

September 8th, 2013, 1:13 pm

 

ghufran said:

Charlie Rose interviews Syrian President Bashar Assad:
Assad gives his first interview with an American TV network in nearly two years
a summary is available at cbsnews.com

the interview in whole will be available tomorrow, I did not hear any thing new based on the summary by Charlie Rose but Assad seems to be convinced that Obama’s assurance of a limited strike is for public consumption, he believes the US is after him and the army not just CW. I hope the speculations of a wider war are wrong, I think they are, the Middle East had enough.

September 8th, 2013, 1:16 pm

 

Tara said:

The takeover of Maalola by the rebels is stupidity on action. We know the regime is waiting for such a chance to send his Shabeehas masqarading as rebels to desacre churches and old monasteries and to massacre christians. Why on earth to give it a massive propaganda chance at this time?

God. Batta is not the only stupid in town!

September 8th, 2013, 1:23 pm

 

revenire said:

Report: Iran, Syria and Hezbollah planning response to attack on Syria

Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have set up a military room to coordinate activities in the case the US and other countries attack Syria, according to sources quoted on Friday in the Lebanese Daily Star. The sources confirmed an earlier report by the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar that Hezbollah is mobilizing its forces in anticipation of an attack, specifically stating that “tens of thousands” of fighters and reservists have been called up.

Iran has begun readying its missiles. “The aim of the move was to demonstrate to the United States that Iran was serious,” the diplomat said. Syria also has a bank of targets in Israel, as well as US bases in Turkey and Jordan.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Iran-Syria-and-Hezbollah-planning-response-to-attack-on-Syria-325497

September 8th, 2013, 1:24 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

There were rumors that Assad was hiding in Maaloula

September 8th, 2013, 1:41 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

507. majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
If you are intelligent you would have known that identification of anyone who has no ID or relative close by, ID will be difficult right away, it takes days or months to ID someone,but sooner or later they will be identified

Majedkhaldoun in what world do you live? Do seriously believe, that Damascus suburbs are full of people who do not know do not know each others, by look and by name. I understand, that killed foreign fighters are difficult to identify, because they might have no papers and “no names”. But claiming, that those claimed hundreds of civilians (children and adults) are unknown is a pure lie. If a school for example gets poisoned the victims are certainly known. If a civilian area is attacked by gas the victims die in their homes or near them. Also as said the bodies of victims of gas attacks are very easily to identified because they look almost “normal”.

I have always believed that in a clan society like Syria the bindings of people in a neighbourhood are close and people have numerous acquaintances. It is impossible to believe, that for example no parent would not know the looks and names of their child’s classmates. It is impossible to believe that in Syria people do not know their neighbours names and looks. It is impossible to believe that there are no records of children in a school or registers of inhabitants of buildings in a town.

If most of the alleged victims can’t be identified a completely legitimate and proper question to be asked is WHY NOT.

September 8th, 2013, 1:44 pm

 

sf94123 said:

“Common Sense” is to round up Dr. Death, SyriaHater, Tera “Snakehead” and other Muslim Brotherhoods in the US who provided false materials and conspired to provoke the U.S into launching an air strike against their country of origin- They should be charged for conspired to kill Americans, treason, fraud, and forgery. What goes around comes around- Just a matter of time!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2330622/Why-Drummer-Rigbys-killers-charged-treason.html

September 8th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

Alan said:

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern predicts false flag attack on US destroyers off Syria coast, to start US/Zionist planned military attack
http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/former-cia-analyst-ray-mcgovern-predicts-false-flag-attack-on-us-destroyers-off-syria-coast-to-start-uszionist-planned-military-attack/

September 8th, 2013, 1:58 pm

 

Alan said:

جون ماكين في مواجهة جديدة مواطن امريكي : أنا أشعر بالقرف من كونكم من قياداتنا
http://youtu.be/hqPUbNCui5Q

September 8th, 2013, 2:02 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Now the invisible Allah of the the Khra Thowra is back with his favorite sport playing with with thumps up / thumps down- Fraud and forgery! That’s what they know best..

September 8th, 2013, 2:06 pm

 

Juergen said:

Syrian Hamster

Its quite strange someone like Sister Agnes Mariam de la Croix can travel to the archdevil empire of Israel and still be able to return to Basharland. Whatever happend to the life sentence one would face doing so?

September 8th, 2013, 2:10 pm

 

Syrian said:

Observer:
Thanks for posting that article by Mr Alazm .he started great with describing the dynamic of the uprising that is now a full fledged war with all regional and international powers are involved in.
The middle and last part described the intellectuals stand of the revolution.the few that survived the Assds’s cultural’s gulag.
While I think any help where ever it comes from is a great help.I think unlike that Egyptian 2011 demonstrations that ended Mubarak rules, where the younger liberal intellectual started it. The Syrian uprising started in the unlikeliest place of Dara’a and Homs. and later the Syrian intellectuals followed them.while this is not hard to understand because Egypt pre 2011 was way ahead of Syria pre 2011 in every thing,economically,freedom and justice.So most of the Syrian intellectuals contributions came late to have real effect now, specially that the revolution is being fed by the unlimited numbers of the 70% of Syrians under 30 who oprobably never heard of Adonis nor care much for his stand either way,
Like what I guess Syria hamster was saying that mr Alazm is looking at the very big picture from his intellectual perspective. We are looking more at a smaller one.
If I want to look at the big picture, I can see locally the majorly against the minorities.
Regionally Iran versus Turkey, KSA, with maybe Israel, internationally Russia versus the West. So eventually the Syrian people will win against the mafia regime.

September 8th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
The picture of those dead kids was taken from treatment centers,
they were pronounced dead and placed there.
I hope you are not implying that those kids jihadis from chechnia,
And for your question,yes some are not known to others, Zamalka Saqba and Irbin and Douma has grown recently to a degree it is hard to know immidiately their ID.
Do you know all your neighbours in your area, no

SF94123
is SF stands for stinky faggot?

September 8th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

ghufran said:

(Reuters) – Syrian government forces may have carried out a chemical weapons attack close to Damascus without the personal permission of President Bashar al-Assad, Germany’s Bild am Sonntag paper reported on Sunday, citing German intelligence.
Syrian brigade and division commanders had been asking the Presidential Palace to allow them to use chemical weapons for the last four-and-a-half months, according to radio messages intercepted by German spies, but permission had always been denied, the paper said.
This could mean Assad may not have personally approved the attack close to Damascus on August 21 in which more than 1,400 are estimated to have been killed, intelligence officers suggested.
Germany’s foreign intelligence agency (BND) could not be reached for comment.
Bild said the radio traffic was intercepted by a German naval reconnaissance vessel, the Oker, sailing close to the Syrian coast.
Last week the head of the BND, Gerhard Schindler, gave confidential briefings to the German parliament’s defense and foreign affairs committees. Bild said Schindler told the defense committee that Syria’s civil war could continue for years.
The chief of staff of Germany’s armed forces, General Volker Wieker, also told lawmakers the influence of al-Qaeda linked forces with within the rebels was becoming stronger and stronger

September 8th, 2013, 2:31 pm

 

Alan said:

Playing with fire – the Americans are trying to raise a fist to strike on Syria ( Video )
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1tv.ru%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F241356&sandbox=1
*************

Former intelligence and military urged Obama not to war in Syria
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frussian.rt.com%2Farticle%2F15114&sandbox=1

September 8th, 2013, 2:32 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
If Assad did not approve the CW attack,he should have punished the officers who committed this murderous attack, it has been three weeks, since he did nothing ,then the responsibility is his.
All what we heared from B Shaaban that the rebels did it

September 8th, 2013, 2:44 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

On the early humanitarian work of young dog-poop cousin theresa makhrouf…

Jamal Mansour

ولادْ مسؤولينْ—مرسيدسْ ٦ دواليبْ (رامي مخلوفْ)


فتلة أبو رمانة، يوم الخميس
كانت تبلش بكير—يعني، بحدود الأربعة، أربعة ونص.
نبقى نكون رجعنا من هالمدارس،
تدولقنا هالغدا، شي من قريبو،
شلحنا بدلات هالفتوة الكريهة،
رتبنا أمورنا
ونزلنا.

أنا كنت حب روح لعند “عيدو،” مشان شوف شو منزِل شرايط جديدة
ومن بعدها، إفتل
—مشي طبعاً!!—
حوالين مدرسة “ساطع الحصري،” تبع البنات،
وجنينة الجاحظ.
وكان رفيقي باسل، الله يرحمو هلق،
مسميها لهالفتلة “الكعبة.”
بس بظن ما كان قصدو ديني—ولا نتفة.

ونحنا عم نفتل قدام “ساطع،” متل العادة، باسل وأنا بيوم من إيام سنة الصف التاسع
بسنة الـ ١٩٨٦
عم ندوِر
بلكي، بالغلط، هيك
شي بنت تتطلع بربنا—وعبَث، متل العادة، مهما حاولنا
كانت بلشت تفتيلة السيارات.
وقمنا، متل العادة كمان،
وقفنا وسنَدنا على سور المدرسة، وبلشنا نعِد سيارات ولاد المسؤولين والتجار والمداعيم.
حفلة سيارات مرسيدس، وبي-إم، وبيجو، ورانج روفر—نِمَر جيش، ومخابرات، وقصر جمهوري
والذي منو.
وكان “رامي مخلوف” نازل بسيارتو المرسيدس ٥٦٠ إس. إي. سي، البابين كشف موديل السنة
سودا، ومعدَلة عند “كونيغ”
يللي إلها ٦ دواليب: ٢ قدام، و٤ ورا—تنين يمين، وتنين يسار. ليش ٦ دواليب؟؟
وشو بيعرفني أنا؟؟

المهم—أخونا بالله، عاطيها من دين عزمو،
ونازل بالنزلة يللي جاية من النهر، وراجع باتجاه الجاحظ
بمرقة ست ختيارة ماشية بدها تقطِع الشارع جاية باتجاه المدرسة.
هي بتقطع الشارع، وبيكون هداك كاويها ولح يخبطها—بييجي شب وبيسناولها من إيدها
وبيشدها ع الرصيف
بيقوموا بيسلتوا هو وياها ع الأرض،
بينما رامي، بيطلع ع المنصِف، وبتهوي سيارتو باتجاهنا
باسل وأنا
الواقفين ع سور “ساطع” ومخريطين من فزعنا—إنو “خلص، متنا.”
بس رامي، سوِيق، العين تحرسو
مدري شو بيعمل، بيقوم بيكسر الدركسيون، وبتهدي بنص الشارع، وبيضرب فرام
صوتو بيصل ع سابع سما، من العزم.

بتمر ثواني، متل الدهر
وأنا مصفرِن، وما عم يطلع معي كلمة
وباسل الله يرحمو، عمل تحتو من رعبتو.
وبينزللك رامي من السيارة، ومعو الفدان يللي جنبو، وبإيدو السنوبال
وبوشو ع المرا الختيارة.
وبينزل فيها بهدلة، وتكفير، وبيبزق بوشها، وبيضرب الشب يللي معها
وبيطلع حكي، شي معناه إنو “كان ممكن ينكسر أَكس السيارة”
وإنو هالـ أَكس هاد “بيسواهون، وبيسوى عيلتهون—” لو كان انكسر، وبدو يتصلح
أو شي مشابه.

بيرجع رامي مخلوف
—وبحركة حنية مو غريبة عليه منوب
ولح بيكررها بالمستقبل قدامنا كمان—
بيتركهون، وبيكتفي بهالقدر من المواعظ التربوية،
وبيطلع بالسيارة، ليكمِل الفتلة.

المرا الختيارة
وما بعرف ليش،
بتقوم بتتطلع فينا—
أنا ومبلكم وخرسان، متل الهِطل
وباسل وهو موسخ بنطلونو، المشحَر الحزين
وبتقللنا، بصوت مكسور ومجروح، بس عالي
“هدول ما بزقوا علي أنا بس،
هدول بزقوا ع شرفكون
بزقوا ع الكل!!
ع الكل!!”

يا الله،
يا الله،
شو طلع معِك حق
وشو فهمنا عليكِ متأخر، يا حجة.

September 8th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 
 

revenire said:

I have little doubt Britain and the US supplied Nusra with chemicals. The extremists were more than happy to murder Alawite children.

September 8th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

Warren said:

According to the Soonite insurgents books are more dangerous than chemical weapons!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76a_1378378285

September 8th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

revenire said:

524. SF94123 said:

“Common Sense” is to round up Dr. Death, SyriaHater, Tera “Snakehead” and other Muslim Brotherhoods in the US who provided false materials and conspired to provoke the U.S into launching an air strike against their country of origin- They should be charged for conspired to kill Americans, treason, fraud, and forgery. What goes around comes around- Just a matter of time!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2330622/Why-Drummer-Rigbys-killers-charged-treason.html

===

I agree with this. These ‘people’ are horrible, horrible specimens of humanity. Each of them is calling for 100s of 1000s of Syrians to die because they hate Assad. It is depraved. I feel sick to my stomach.

September 8th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

While we wait for the Reverend Mother of all chemical conspiracies to lay out her case for the United Nations, and while we wait for the hog-wallow in Washington to vote up or down on Obama’s strike plans, and while we wait for the details of the plot that transported lightly complected (“white”) children from Latakia to E Ghouta, and while we entertain illogical and unwarranted charges about the complicity of rebel/Nusra/FSA in the August 21 chemotherapy … while we wait for a coherent tale of the chemical attack to be assembled by the hooded trumpets of Assadism, some questions:

— where are the names of the Latakia children stolen from their parents?
— what was the name of the village(s) from which the children were snatched?
— what was the name of one single parent who claims this plot?

While we continue to wait for something that makes sense of the latest Bouthaina fantasy, there is an answer for those folks who want names of those who perished on August 21. I note the staggering ignorance of those who pretend there are no names. It shows us that the Assadists do not read anything but their own side’s confections.

Yes, there are names of some of the perished, at the Syrian Violations Documentation Center

Follow this link to find names of the dead, and then, if you swallow the ‘white-children-of-the-hills’ plot, you can cross-reference with those families who have claimed a disappeared child — once you have a name or names.

VDC result of database search of VDC — the two criteria were Date and method of death, respectively Aug 21 and Chemical weapons.

I am still struck by the ignorance posing as wisdom of Mother Agnes Mirian de la Baath, where she argues from personal incredulity, where she says she does not understand ‘the video.’

From Russia Today: Mere de la baath “doubts so much footage could have been taken in so little time, and asks where parents of the supposedly dead children are

How is it even possible to collect a dozen different pieces of footage, get more than 200 kids and 300 young people together in one place, give them first aid and interview them on camera, and all that in less than three hours? Is that realistic at all? As someone who works in the news industry, you know how long all of it would take.

The bodies of children and teenagers we see in that footage – who were they? What happened to them? Were they killed for real? And how could that happen ahead of the gas attack? Or, if they were not killed, where did they come from? Where are their parents? How come we don’t see any female bodies among all those supposedly dead children?

Funny, sad stuff. Mere Agnes Miriam seems not understand that uploading videos can happen at the same time by separate actors, in close to real time …

In any case, the headless horsemen, to a man, are going with this version of events. They will stick to this tale to the end.

Common sense is no guide here. A better guide would be the essence of Ockham’s Razor. As Ptolemy once wrote, “We consider it a good principle to explain the phenomena by the simplest hypothesis possible.”

The mess of the Assadist ‘explanation’ is well apparent. The simplest possible explanation, the one that comprises all extant evidence, the one that does not have multiple add-ons (stolen white-skinned babies, magickal unnoticed transport through multiple front-lines, vast numbers of conspirators), this is the one that is most likely to be accurate.

I suggest that none of the Baathist cheerleaders here have any doubt that SAA possesses and has used chemical weapons in E Ghouta, despite the ridiculous cover stories they drag out from the Nutterzone.

September 8th, 2013, 3:02 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

From Facebook, a comment on Jamal Mansour’s post

ولك تفوه عليهون وعليكون أنتو يلي بتشدوا مع هيك ولاد حرام
ولك عرفانين حالكون
ساقطين
بس شو منقدر نعمل … الساقط مصيره يحك مؤخرة ألاسقط منو
ولك تفهوه بخلقتكون المزريه وخلقتون المقرفه
ويلعن روحك يا حافظ
على هالجحش الخلفتو
وعلى ولاد الحرام يللي بليت هالبلد فيهون

September 8th, 2013, 3:06 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#523 Simo

Firstly, hundreds have already been identified. Thanks to Sami in #455 – there you can find the link to a site documenting the victims.

Second, you’d better believe that Reef Dimashq has become a shelter to Syrians opposing the regime from everywhere so it is not unusual for people living in the same neighborhood not to know each other. Normal life has all but vanished from these areas. And you are talking about children going to school?

Thirdly, I personally am in touch with a family in Lebanon who just escaped from Ghouta. A grandmother just smuggled her four grandchildren after both parents died in the chemical attack. She had no one left. She just took the kids and ran away. She did not get the chance to bury her son and his wife. Trust me, these people are no kidnapped Alawii villagers.

People, have some shame and some decency!

September 8th, 2013, 3:11 pm

 

ghufran said:

Congressman Justin Amash said last week:
What I heard in Obama admn briefing actually makes me more skeptical of certain significant aspects of Pres’s case for attacking
He noted yesterday, after attending another classified briefing and reviewing more classified materials:
Attended another classified briefing on #Syria & reviewed add’l materials. Now more skeptical than ever. Can’t believe Pres is pushing war.

Congressman Tom Harkin said:
I have just attended a classified Congressional briefing on Syria that quite frankly raised more questions than it answered. I found the evidence presented by Administration officials to be circumstantial.

Congressman Michael Burgess said:
Yes, I saw the classified documents. They were pretty thin.

New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, for instance, left Thursday’s classified hearing and said she was opposed to the effort “now so more than ever.”
“I think there’s a long way to go for the president to make the case,” she said after the briefing. “It does seem there is a high degree of concern and leaning no.”

Senator Joe Manchin announced he was voting “no” for a Syria strike right after hearing a classified intelligence briefing.

(Obama may be committing the biggest mistake of his presidency)

September 8th, 2013, 3:12 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

HOPEFUL
I quote you, with emphasis

People, have some shame and some decency!

There is a qualifier in your admonition. Sadly, it is inapplicable to assad’s headless horsemen

September 8th, 2013, 3:17 pm

 

DAMASCUSROSE said:

I have posted last week that the CW attack was carried out without the consent of the القصر الجمهوري and that is being corroborated by intelligence agencies. That explains why General Mohammad Aslan was killed and that also explains why the Americans are talking about a limited attack and not a regime change. In a way, Kerry is coming to the aid of his old friend, Bashar, by taking out the extreme elements and degrading their capabilities to carry out another attack and really blow the conflict wide open. I’ve also posted that there are different loyalties and allegiances between the 4th division and the Republican Guard and Special Forces regiments. If you think about it, if the U.S. gets dragged into Syria and gets its nose bloodied, that also means Iran may be off the radar (and proverbial hook) for a while. I’ve heard that elements in the presidential palace have been trying to convince Assad to negotiate a political solution but he’s being met by hardliners in the mostly Alwaites army corps and by the Iranians. The Americans keep talking about a limited strike because they don’t want a regime change, at least not now, and they don’t to completely destroy Syrian institutions and infrastructure like they did in Iraq. They are hoping that they could do enough damage to the main Alwaite army divisions that would allow a coup from within and empower some of the other divisions that have been kept sidelined up to now. Lots of moving parts and not all seem as what they appear on the surface. There are also speculations that something may happen without the Americans firing a single shot!

September 8th, 2013, 3:23 pm

 

Alan said:

SH
-evaluative judgments,
-misanthropy,
untidiness-relations
-pride
-hypocrisy
-do magic and witchcraft
and spiritual degradation,
, immorality,
-idleness
-parasitism,
-permissiveness
-dependency,
, laziness,
-justification of their degradation,
-aggression,
idea of retribution,
-failure to render aid in trouble
-cynicism
-the struggle for power,
-the struggle for attention
-arrogance
-vanity,
-ambition
-swearing,
-doubt
, hopelessness,
state closed circle,
fear of change,
-gloom,
-stuck in the past,
syndrome victims
-sadness,
-dramatization of the future,
non-promise:
-manipulation of people’s minds,
-suppression of the people in order to manipulate,
-killing people for profit,
-killing of people from religious or political beliefs,
-killing children in the womb,
-indulgence of killing children
-betrayal
-cruelty
-heartedness,

September 8th, 2013, 3:39 pm

 

zoo said:

Observer

“This is a superb article about Syria”

That’s not an article, that’s a long and boring novella.
Highly skippable.

September 8th, 2013, 4:11 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

530. majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
The picture of those dead kids was taken from treatment centers,
they were pronounced dead and placed there.
I hope you are not implying that those kids jihadis from chechnia,
And for your question,yes some are not known to others, Zamalka Saqba and Irbin and Douma has grown recently to a degree it is hard to know immidiately their ID.
Do you know all your neighbours in your area, no

Majedkhaldoun do you claim, that the killed children are unknown. Do you seriously believe that if the children were local kids nobody knows who the majority of them are? Come-on. If the children were from somewhere else for example hostages from different areas of course they will remain unknown, because it is in the interest of the bearded men not to identify them.

Surely a fortified rebel region has to be rather careful not to receive hostile elements working in favour of the government side. That demands that people know each other and their backgrounds. They simply do not allow unknown adult men to wander there. And I suspect that they are very suspicious with all strangers.

September 8th, 2013, 4:20 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

@545. DAMASCUS ROSE.

Interestingly provocative commentary. Still the US based on what CNN reported, see below is indicative of almost double dealing.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/sources-defense-contractors-training-syrian-rebels-in-chemical-weapons/

September 8th, 2013, 4:23 pm

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

“The people who decided to “invade” Maaloula now are either complete morons or are idiots”

There are the same morons and idiots who attacked alawites villages near Latakia and massacred hundred. The same morons who put car bombs all over Aleppo and Damas, who have murdered Al Bouti and Alawites sheikhs, who kidnapped christian religious figures etc….
They have one name: “The FSA” and they are supported militarily by Al Qaeda and advised and financed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Get used to it, that’s the new reality of the ‘noble’ fighters for freedom.

September 8th, 2013, 4:24 pm

 

ghufran said:

It is unlikely that Assad has ordered a CW attack but if his troops, a big if, have actually carried out the attack without his knowledge that means he is not fit to be president, something I established a long time ago. I am not sold on the idea that it was regime troops who carried the attack but I certainly believe an independent investigation should be conducted and guilty people must be brought to justice. Rushing to bomb Syria now after waiting 2.5 years clearly shows that there are political calculations behind the decision. A limited attack will only boost Obama’s ego and a massive attack will have disastrous consequences and strengthen militant elements on both sides and speed up the process of dividing Syria.
No attack should be conducted but Assad must be pressured to step aside while war crimes tribunal takes over the Syrian file and look at ALL crimes not just the atrocities committed by Assad loyalists. Minorities are not hooked on Assad but for 2.5 years they were given nothing but threats and heavy doses of sectarian violence, alawite families lost more than 20,000 of their sons and for them to give up Assad they need to trust the new regime, very little has been done to make sure that the removal of Assad will not be followed by indiscriminate killings by Islamists and common thugs. As much as I hate to say this but for now Assad is the only game in town for minorities, call me when you have an alternative !!

September 8th, 2013, 4:26 pm

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

“Trust me, these people are no kidnapped Alawii villagers”.

Trust you? Are you joking? I want proofs, 100% proofs not your gibberish of the lady who knows a lady who knows the children.

Come on, this is not a hide and seek game. If you don’t have full proven evidence, it’s better you shut up.

September 8th, 2013, 4:32 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

@ 546

Opening up your thought process, weird, and confused as it is, is still the first step to recovery, but you still need a professional psychiatrist help. Sorry dude, can’t help you here.

*Note: Make sure to copy the list. It seems that it took more than half an hour of reflection. Don’t waste that.

September 8th, 2013, 4:46 pm

 

Sami said:

Zoo,

Even with facts such as the UN report over the Houla Massacre you deny it, so why demand facts in the first place when in reality you have no qualms spitting in te face of facts to further whatever narrative you are pushing down our throats?

September 8th, 2013, 5:09 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SYRIAN HAMSTER #498

cc OBSERVER, SYRIAN, HOPEFUL, SAMI, TARA (and others who “get it”)

Thank you for your thoughtful commentary, which is deeply satisfying and inspiring to read. And re-read.

A post like yours reinforces and reminds the world how much high quality intellectual brainpower there is sitting out there in Syrian heads.

I had my own remarks which vanished into the black hole of SC about the left and the distortions and limitations in thinking created by living in Assadland. But I won’t re-post it because your comments cover the subject better than I did.

You nailed and brilliantly articulated so many things I agree with. Including your frustrations with the approach taken at times by Joshua Landis and others who lead this site.

What you write in #498 shines with clarity, warmth and strength that is all the more impressive because we all know the crushing anxiety and numb grief that swamps our heads and hearts every time we now try to think about Syria.

Reading a piece like yours allows us a moment to unclench intellectually and breathe again. To reflect on the Syria that has always mattered, matters now and will matter so much in the post-Assad future.

September 8th, 2013, 5:10 pm

 

Sami said:

Ghufran,

If you believe that it is a big IF that the regime is guilty of gassing Syrians, what evidence led you to believe that?

Do you think the rebels gassing their own in 17 separate locations during a regime shelling onslaught is more plausible than the regime doing it?

September 8th, 2013, 5:14 pm

 

apple_mini said:

The opposition group here just never ceases to disgust us. Right here on the same page, I suggested a personal theory. Those opposition fanatics just cannot waste a second to pick it up and twist it like I was giving them an inner scoop.

The famous drama queen as usual squeaks her lungs out. Calm down, please. And at least try to be an honest commentator. I am not asking you that much to be an honest person in real life.

Ghufran, you probably have sensed milder nature among most Alawites. They have sacrificed over 20,000 young men in this fighting. That cannot be just “charm or charisma” by Assad.

In a small town called Jableh near Lattakia city, there are about 50-50 Sunni and Alawites populations. The very first demonstration by the Sunni was purely sectarian. Not only it appalled their generation old neighbors, but also scared them. The town has been seemingly peaceful. No bloodshed or anything like that. But the population has been divided since.

Assad did not scare them or fooled them. This unrest had all the sectarian drive underneath the popular demands for political reforms.

Nowadays, even those popular demands are just slogan for propaganda.

I honestly don’t think those minorities would feel terribly sad or depressed if the country is partitioned, considering what the alternative would mean to them.

Just check out the recent reports on MSM, the wind of change is there. The rebel/opposition are not only losing on battleground, but also on propaganda front line.

September 8th, 2013, 5:16 pm

 

don said:

Israel Lobby Backs Bombing Syria

AIPAC made it official on Tuesday.

The Israeli government may have the deciding vote on the matter before Congress, not so much because it appears to have been the source of intelligence that the Obama administration is relying on to make a case tying the chemical incident two weeks ago to the Assad regime (although there are interesting questions to be raised about that) but because members of Congress anticipating their next re-election campaign will be thinking about what type of vote Benjamin Netanyahu’s government desires, a criterion that routinely gets equated in American political discourse with “support for Israel.”

One is the theme that any US military action would be strictly limited in duration as well as intensity. Neither the administration nor anyone else has adequately explained how this can be assured if subsequent escalation or retaliation from the other side follows a US strike. As California Republican Ed Royce observed in a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Wednesday, “the Assad regime would have a say in what happens next.”

Another major theme in the administration’s case concerns upholding international norms of behavior. But no one has explained how violation of one of the most fundamental international norms — against attacking another sovereign state if the attack is not in self-defense or under the sanction of the United Nations Security Council — is a blow in favor of norm-upholding.

Here again, this is not a quandary for Israel, which has long flouted the non-aggression norm as it has gone about its repeated lawn-mowing in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and elsewhere.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=61172

September 8th, 2013, 5:22 pm

 

Observer said:

Syrian Hamster and SL and Syrian and Hopeful and yes Ghufran

The article by Al Azem was actually meant to show in my opinion two major points

1. The clear failed state that Syria was in that led to the revolution

2. The emptiness of the intellectual left when it came to making a stand for freedom and dignity especially for those that continue to spew conspiracies right and left.

It is in the face of such bankruptcy that we find ourselves with young people changing the course of history.

As ultimate proof of the impossibility of the regime to reform and for its uprooting in its entirety is the torturing to death of Omar Aziz in his effort to create
“local councils” for governance and for peaceful action. Someone like Omar Aziz is even more valuable to the regime than to the revolution for if the regime had an ounce of intelligence it would have promoted people like Omar Aziz to bridge the divide and start a new chapter.

Clearly it reverted to its basic sectarian mafiosi mentality and proclaimed Athad or we burn Al Balad.

If the West needed pretexts to intervene it had more than 100 000 dead people and more than 250 000 disappeared and more than 2 million external refugees and more than 7 million internal refugees and an attack on a NATO ally all of which could have been used to intervene.

Now that he used CW he is trying to wiggle his way out of the retaliation.

I hope and pray that he responds against the fleet and against Israel.

Zoo you cannot read. I know that for a fact you can only parrot.

September 8th, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

ghufran said:

The AL chief deals a blow to Kerry and KSA:
حذر الأمين العام للجامعة العربية نبيل العربي، من أن توجيه ضربة لسوريا “سوف يشعل المنطقة بأسرها”، مشيرا إلى أنه لا يمكن تفسير بيانات الجامعة على أنه موافقة على ذلك.
وقال العربي في مقابلة مع صحيفة “الأهرام” المصرية، نشرتها يوم الأحد، إن “توجيه ضربة لسوريا سوف يشعل المنطقة بأسرها”، مشيرا إلى أن “مضمون البيان الذي صدر عن الجامعة، طالب الأمم المتحدة والشرعية الدولية والمجتمع الدولي باتخاذ الإجراءات المطلوبة لوقف الوضع الحالي واستخدام الأسلحة الكيماوية بسوريا على أن يكون ذلك وفقا لميثاق الأمم المتحدة وقواعد القانون الدولي
Even the AL is not in support of a war on Syria, that puts supporters of such a war at a lower level than the Arab League !!

Sami,
both sides are brutal and have lied before, Assad had no reason to use CW at the time when the alleged attack took place and with UN inspectors being 5 km away. I can not rule out that his troops did that without his consent, but what I would like to see is a credible investigation and yes I want just to be served, those kids did not deserve to die.

September 8th, 2013, 5:35 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SIMOHURRTA, I am now stunned at how little you seem to comprehend the realities of life on the ground inside war-torn Syria.

Your points insisting that if the victims aren’t named to your satisfaction it didn’t happen are so weak and ridiculous I am laughing.

Here’s a little bit of news for you – one third of the population of Syria are now displaced, many millions of them internally. And well over a million or more desperate people and fractured families from all over are estimated to have flocked to Damascus.

There will be thousands of Syrians murdered by the regime who are buried unidentified.

But that doesn’t suit your rusty broken template.

September 8th, 2013, 5:36 pm

 

zoo said:

@482 Apple_mini

Rogue? I would think ‘bribed’.

There is no doubt in my mind there is a well prepared plot behind that story. Look at the sequence of events:
– Syria asks the UN to investigate the chemical attack in Khan Al Assal where they accused the rebels to have used chemical weapons.
– France and the UK refuse that investigation without any serious reason. They try to derail the investigation by asking that it also be done in 3 other locations that they claim were subject to attacks.
Why would the UK and France delay the UN inspectors visit to Khan Al Assal? Obviously they had good reason to believe the rebels did it. For them, Khan al Assal was a place that the UN inspectors should NEVER visit.
– France and the UK and the Saudi were taken by surprise when Syria accepted the condition to include 3 other places whose name remained secret. Then the UN inspectors were on their way.
– The plotters had to quickly find a way to prevent the UN inspectors to go to Khan al Assal.
– Once the inspectors were in Syria and ready to go to Khan al Assal, the Al Ghuta attack suddenly takes place.
– Pressure is made by France and the UK on the UN to ask the inspectors to forget about Khan al Assal and go to al Ghuta instead..
– This is what happened. The inspectors went to Al Ghuta and forgot about Khan al Assal.
The plotters were satisfied.

My belief is that France, UK and Saudi/Qatar intelligence either heavily bribed a Syrian commander or pushed rebels commanders to send a toxic gas on Al Ghuta to create two effects: First, divert from the Khan al Assal investigation that could have proved without any doubts that the rebels have access to chemical weapon and second put the blame of the Al Ghuta attack on the Syrian army by having “massive” deaths and a well orchestrated graphic media propaganda. They knew that the shocked and outraged world would have no choice that to finally react militarily.

That’s why I think the UN inspectors should go back to Khan al Assal, as planned. That would prove that the rebels have access and ways to deliver chemical weapons. It would blow up the whole US argument.
Of course France UK and the Saudi/Qatar would do all they can so that won’t ever happen.
I still hope one day that this horrible plot will uncover the war criminals in France, UK and Saudi/Qatar that did that.
The trouble is that it will come too late.

September 8th, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

zoo said:

#558 Observer

You are right, I admit, I can’t read your posts. I find them extremely pompous and boring. After reading 2 lines, I have an urgent need for a nap
Sorry

September 8th, 2013, 5:42 pm

 

zoo said:

553. Sami

Grin and Yawn…

September 8th, 2013, 5:47 pm

 

don said:

Assistance, persuasion: Netanyahu joins Obama’s cause

AIPAC has been doing its part for US president; Israeli officials say prime minister has joined efforts, spoke with members of Congress, government officials, to persuade for support attack

At an hour that US President Barack Obama is struggling to achieve a majority in Congress to support an attack on Syria, he is aided by pro-Israeli groups, at the front of which is AIPAC. Additional surprising assistance in light of the tense relations between the two, is coming from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Ynet learned Sunday.

Israeli officials close to the prime minister told Ynet he recently held talks with members of Congress, government officials and AIPAC officials, to explain the importance of American military action against the Assad regime. Incoming Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer explained in Washington the Israeli position on the attack.

The deep involvement of AIPAC, an organization that is in on many briefings and receives information from Israeli sources regarding sensitive issues such as Iran’spush for nuclear capablities or the war in Syria, shows that Israel is not really sitting on the sidelines.

In addition, 250 members of AIPAC are expected to flood the Capitol for the historic vote to put pressure on members of Congress in support of the attack.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4427269,00.html

September 8th, 2013, 5:48 pm

 
 

ghufran said:

Patrick Cockburn- The Independent-UK

Maloula used to be one of the safer places in Syria for Christians, who once made up 10 per cent of the population. Many have already fled from Aleppo and northern Syria. Their priests and bishops have been kidnapped and murdered. In their part of the Old City of Damascus they are under mortar fire from rebel districts leaving no doubt that they are being punished as government supporters. Those with money have mostly left the country. Even a previously secure place in the mountains such as Maloula, where persecuted Christians once sought refuge, is safe no longer.

Suppose US missile strikes take place, will they tip the military balance decisively towards the insurgents? It looks unlikely, though elimination of the Syrian air force would enable the rebels to gain ground. The stalemate will continue. Syria has a failed government and a failed opposition. Both still think they can win if they get enough outside support but have few ideas other than to fight on. The only good news here is that government and rebels have become so much the dependent proxies of foreign powers that the US and Russia could force them to negotiate at least a ceasefire. But this may come too late for Maloula.

September 8th, 2013, 6:14 pm

 

zoo said:

Count Cher as one of the few politically active celebrities to weigh in on President Barack Obama’s war stance against Syria.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/09/08/cher-obama-syria

Cher routinely uses social media to defend the president and/or slam conservatives in the most callous fashion she can muster. Today, the singer/actress took a different, more defiant tone, warning Obama of the consequences of betraying the will of the American people.

Believe,If Pres.Obama,Bombs Syria,it might b His Downfall.He could go From Loved 2 Loathed.U Cant Go Against The Will Of 80% Of AMERICANS

September 8th, 2013, 6:24 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

SYRIALOVER
Thank you for you kind words.

OBSERVER,
Thanks again for the crisp clarity and right to the point approach. The inability to reform, while clearly exemplified in the nurder of Omar Aziz (and many others like him), can also be exemplified by the behavior of regime loyalists here on this same blog.

Just consider the herd-mentality, prevalent among the “few” active regime posters. A new “theory” comes up, it promptly get amplified, and new tracks are found, be it rogue-to-bribed transformation, white-children transport, and before it, bad weapons, self immolation, and the list goes on. And in each step, a source of information that was considered “blasphemous”, all of the sudden is relied on extensively, without even showing a sign of self-respect that would have demanded some sort of visible dizziness as one jumps a hoop with five loops.

This, my friend, is a sign if extreme inferiority complex brought by recognition of the absence of legitimacy in its historical , social, economic, psychological, and/or political dimensions. This of course has nothing to do with sect or class, and all to do with the the mean of acquiring ones position in each and every one of these dimensions. Collectively, such inferiority complex, when mixed with its byproduct insecurity complex become a witch-brew the degenerates into calling for and murdering all who expose the naked king, who becomes the embodiment of both inferiority and insecurity.

September 8th, 2013, 6:28 pm

 

zoo said:

Alone among the Arab countries, Saudi Arabia agrees to join France, Turkey and the USA in “supporting the strikes on Syria”

Kerry Announces Saudi Support for Syrian Strike
September 8, 2013 6:03 pm
The New York Times

PARIS — Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday that Saudi Arabia had agreed to support military intervention in Syria.

At a news conference on the sidebar of a meeting with Arab League foreign ministers, Mr. Kerry noted that he had received Saudi assurances of support for what he called “the strike.”

Qatar’s foreign minister, Khalid Al Attiya, who joined Mr. Kerry at the news conference, stopped short of explicitly endorsing a military strike but said his nation would back foreign intervention

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/world/kerry-announces-saudi-support-for-syrian-strike-702517/#ixzz2eLJphwNk

September 8th, 2013, 6:30 pm

 

don said:

Rep. Grayson’s Opposition

Representative Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, is trying to harness public opposition to Obama’s request through a website his campaign created,

http://www.dontattacksyria.com <<=== Please VOTE here

He said 25,000 people in 48 hours signed a petition against military intervention. It’s at 82,000 votes so far.

“We needed a way to call the attention of open-minded House members,” he said in an interview.

September 8th, 2013, 6:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed cc Matthew Barber

You are certainly improving your english. I am sure Matthew Barber would appreciate your latest vulgarity.

531. majedkhaldoun said:

SF94123
is SF stands for stinky faggot?

September 8th, 2013, 6:42 pm

 

Syrialover said:

OBSERVER,

Thanks for your thoughts in #558 and for lifting the game here again above the flood of waste material from Team Assad.

Throughout history there have been invaders and occupiers who at the time brought with them ideas, technology and cultural practices which contributed to the opening and development of different parts of the world (e.g. the Greek and Roman empires, and before that some of the earliest city states in the Middle East).

But Syria for the past 40 years has been forcibly occupied and controlled by a primitive and ignorant force, the Assad dictatorship, which stalled and suffocated the economic, political, social and cultural development

People only expand what they know and think through exposure to alternative realities and the thinking of others. We would all still be living in caves otherwise.

The Assads by controlling at gunpoint the media, state institutions, the arts, educational curriculum etc to their own low standards and limits turned Syria into an intellectual cave, even a prison, where people could only see fragments of intellectual sky and work with that.

Considering leftist ideals is a natural part of anyone’s intellectual journey, even of humanity’s makeup, and no thinking person would reject every part of it no matter where their thinking finally ends up.

But adherence to the Left is also for some an expression of their personality and negative impulses, where they see a chance to be involved in control and power over others. It is a useful garment they feel strong and justified and special in. They twist it to meet their own needs. Which is why the MB and crude leftism is such a natural internal marriage for many.

September 8th, 2013, 6:47 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou’z analysis reads like المغامرين الخمسة I wounder who is lozeh and who is takhtakh.

September 8th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

Syrialover said:

I love it! Team Assad and their camp follower GHUFRAN are desperate, repeatedly trying to reassure themselves and tell others that Bashar Assad wouldn’t be so stupid and reckless as to use chemical weapons.

They need to think that, to deny it, because the reality of Bashar’s idiocy is unbearable for them.

We are seeing they have a fracture point when it comes to blindly supporting Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 6:56 pm

 

zoo said:

#519 Headsup

Boycott or manipulation?
Have the ‘benefactors’ decided to boycott the Blog or rather they started to hack it and manipulate the Thumbs up/down to make readers believe that the opposition posts are the more popular?

“In a related development, our benefactors have decided to blacklist this site and its administrators as tools and accomplices of the regime of the Criminal Pervert. The decision has been taken due to reports which surfaced recently clearly showing that the objective of this post is sheer propaganda, falsification and aiding and abetting the crimial regime.”

September 8th, 2013, 6:57 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Bill
There you go, here is another headless horseman in 575 smashing into the conspiracy, like a blind frog, mouth first.

I think it is manipulation, the regime loyalists are so easy to manipulate. Thank god we don’t have a remote-hypnotist on board, or DO WE?

September 8th, 2013, 7:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Mainstream US media questions Obama’s lies as opposition builds

Doubts linger over Syria gas attack responsibility
http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Doubts-linger-over-Syria-gas-attack-responsibility-4796441.php

September 8th, 2013, 7:03 pm

 

revenire said:

I bet some of you guys never imagined there would be an American, and a worldwide, opposition to you did you?

Well, there is.

September 8th, 2013, 7:06 pm

 

ghufran said:

Rebels attack on Maloula is all over the news, that forced Jarba and Idris to hold a news conference where they said they directed their troops to protect Christians in that area, the problem is that they hardly have any troops in maloula , Nusra is in charge, and nobody believes idris and jarba anymore.
CNN story alone drew more than 10,000 comments.
The idiotic move in Maloula will make it harder for pro war politicians to convince Americans that this is a war worth fighting, even local people who rarely watch the news are outraged.
thanks Nusra et al, Assad could not have done a better job portraying rebels as savage anti Christians hateful head chopping terrorists, these are not my words, these are the words of people in my community !!

September 8th, 2013, 7:17 pm

 

zoo said:

#573 Hammy

I am glad you read and was able to reach the end of my theory of the plot without collapsing.
I am not sure brainless rodents can grasp it well so don’t be shy, ask a non-rodent ally to help you. Contrary to me, they seem to appreciate you farty h-p’s, especially the pseudo-intellectual ones.

September 8th, 2013, 7:18 pm

 

revenire said:

Assad is the protector of all minorities in Syria. Without Assad they’d all be slaughtered by Nusra and their allies.

September 8th, 2013, 7:20 pm

 

zoo said:

Ghufran

“they directed their troops to protect Christians in that area”

Oh, it must the “National Syrian Army” funded by Saudi Arabia that Jarba announced a few weeks ago!
Mabrouk!

September 8th, 2013, 7:24 pm

 

revenire said:

More reports from mainstream American media questioning the Obama administration’s lies:

Chemical attacks in Syria. Where’s the proof Assad was responsible?

So far, no convincing evidence has been made public proving that Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons to kill hundreds of Syrian people. That has left the door open to alternate scenarios and conspiracy theories.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2013/0908/Chemical-attacks-in-Syria.-Where-s-the-proof-Assad-was-responsible

September 8th, 2013, 7:28 pm

 

revenire said:

HANDS OFF SYRIA! 7000 people demonstrating against Obama on his visit in Stockholm

September 8th, 2013, 7:36 pm

 

Syrian said:

الدكتور فيصل القاسم
من المستحيل أن تستطيع “معلولا” أن تغطي فظائع الغوطتين. العبوا غيرها

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September 8th, 2013, 7:49 pm

 

zoo said:

Jarba sure keep his promises.

Syrian Rebels to Form Govt. Late August, Says Jarba
by Naharnet Newsdesk 30 July 2013, 10:34

The Syrian opposition will form a provisional government in the second half of August after months of failed efforts, Syrian National Coalition chief Ahmad Jarba said on Tuesday.

“I expect a government in exile to be formed around 10 days after Eid al-Fitr,” the Muslim feast that falls on August 8 or 9, he told AFP in Doha, which he is visiting to seek support.

“There are several candidates” for the post of prime minister, he added, saying one “will be chosen by consensus or through election.”

September 8th, 2013, 7:50 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#514. HOPEFUL

Sadly the vote function on this forum has been corrupted and disabled by spammers. You can easily pick who is doing it.

It now has little to do with real reader votes, so most people ignore it and don’t vote.

September 8th, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

ghufran said:

a friend tried to answer why now? to explain the timing of US intervention:
This is typical, the best time to attack an enemy is when he is weak, Iraq was attacked after two wars and now Syria may be attacked after 2.5 years of an insurgency and a devastating internal war.
the downside: you may end up with an enemy who is worse than the one you attacked !!
The Americans are learning, I hope their politicians and our Syrian thawrajiyyeh and Assad loyalists learn too.

September 8th, 2013, 7:57 pm

 

Tara said:

Sami @553

The facts are irrelevant.

The new talking points are taken from Assad interview with Charlie Rose. The talking points are quickly disseminated. Even Hardly-a-Human issued a retract and almost an apology from an earlier comment.

Here is the summary of the interview:

“Assad denied involvement the attack and said if the United States has evidence, Washington should produce it, CBS reported on Sunday on its news program “Face the Nation.” [ID:nL1N0H404W]

“There has been no evidence that I used chemical weapons against my own people,” CBS reported Assad said in an interview conducted in Damascus. The report was a summary of the interview and did not contain any audio or video of Assad.

Assad said he feared an attack might degrade the Syrian military and tip the balance in the 2-1/2-year-old civil war, CBS reported.”

September 8th, 2013, 7:59 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors deeply implanted in the deepest recesses of covertness continue to monitor the volatile situation and for that reason it authorized the following heads up for release.

First of all, the upcoming Charlie Rose production of wag the dog coming up monday evening to American living rooms across the nation carries with it three messages from Criminal Pervert. The first message is deniability of facts and responsibility. The second message is a play on the American psychy implying that Amircan wars were all failures. The third message is a threat to the American public at large of so-called counter strikes by Criminal Pervert and its Criminal Gangsters of so-called allies. Ass-head is counting on a perceived sense of fatigue among the general public and hoping that his three-pronged media blitz courtesy of American free speech provided by free speech suckers like Rose would succeed. We at Heads-up believe that it will fail and produce a counter effect among the Americans. The simple fact is Americans don’t give in lightly to threats from Hitler-like despots, not to mention bull-sh*t such as failed American wars.

Secondly, we would like to present to you some very important scholarly well researched article written by veteran Middle Eastern correspondent which would stand in stark contrast to the propaganda material presented on this site which is singularly aimed at aiding, abetting and falsifying on behalf of Criminal Pervert.

Enlighten yourself about the cunning of the snake and enjoy reading Hussein Abdul-Hussein piece exposing the agents of Ass-head in Washibgton. Abdu-Hussein exposes both current and sleeping cell agents of Criminal Pervert who have been busy like bee-hives during the last two weeks trying to save the skin of their criminal master:


Assad lobbies in Washington capitalize on anti-war sentiment

A majority of Americans are opposed to military action in Syria. But in a country where many people cannot point to France on a map, American opposition seems to have little to do with Syria, and more to do with general war fatigue. As a result, opponents of the strike put out arguments that are either false or blatant Assad propaganda.

From the Right are the Libertarians, who advocate small government and thus oppose all U.S. foreign activity, and those known as the “Christian Right,” who believe that Assad’s survival is instrumental for the safety of the Christians of Syria and the Levant. Never mind that between 1975 and 2005, the two Assads – father Hafez and son Bashar – systematically undermined the Christians of Lebanon by assaulting them militarily and assassinating their leaders or sending them into exile.

The Assads have been always known for their pragmatism, despite their ideological outlook. Between 2003 and 2011, Bashar al-Assad opened his Damascus airport to Islamist Jihadists who arrived from around Arab countries with one-way tickets. Assad’s intelligence agencies penetrated Islamist networks, groomed them, sponsored their bomb-making machinery, and later facilitated their crossing into Iraq where they bombed innocent Iraqi civilians of all faiths, as well as US troops.

From the Left is a mix of war-weary liberals, counterculture activists, and some Assad friends. Moveon.org, America’s biggest grassroots liberal organization, launched an effort against a possible strike on Assad.

The group’s goals, as relayed to its members in an e-mail, are to “galvanize world leaders to demand a multilateral cease-fire, arrange to evacuate people who choose to flee harm’s way, care for the evacuees, [and] assist with re-settlement once the civil war has ended.” But where was Moveon.org over the past two years when the world – including Washington – struggled to arrange a cease-fire in Syria. Whether through the Arab League’s Initiative or the UN’s Six-Point Plan, a Syria truce proved impossible.

Moveon.org’s call for evacuation of Syrians in harm’s way suggests that whoever authored its memo is unaware that at least two million Syrians have been displaced since the beginning of the anti-Assad uprising, or that America has been the largest donor of humanitarian aid to these refugees. Its goal of “assisting with resettlement” after the war shows that Moveon.org is even more amateurish in understanding what is at stake now, as opposed to what will be needed in the future.

Another leftist organization that also put out a memo arguing against a strike in Syria was the International Crisis Group (ICG). Headed by former Ambassador Thomas Pickering, who often appears alongside the most visible defenders of the Iranian regime in Washington, ICG’s statement called for talks with Iran over Syria, a point endorsed by a few in Washington including Andrew Parasiliti, former Chuck Hagel top aide and now CEO of the media website Al-Monitor.

Heading the Middle East program at ICG is Robert Malley, one of the staunchest advocates of “engaging Assad” prior to 2011. In fact, Malley repeatedly visited Assad in Damascus, and was often invited to dinner at the residence of Syrian Ambassador in Washington Imad Mustafa. A picture that Mustafa posted on his blog, and later removed, shows Malley and Seymore Hersh, famous for his New Yorker article in which he accused the Hariri Movement of supporting radical Islamists who fought the Lebanese Army in the Nahr Al-Bared Palestinian refugee camp in 2007.

Malley and the ICG may have laid low since March 2011, but seem to have come back now, believing that Assad has a chance. In its memo, the ICG links a possible strike on Assad to all the images that resonate negatively with Americans. “A military attack” has no “international consensus,” ICG said, arguing that “solid evidence of regime use of chemical weapons is futile, [g]iven the false pretenses that informed the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.”

Despite solid evidence to the contrary, ICG employed one of Assad regime’s main talking points about the August 21 chemical attack in Damascus: “Elements within the opposition also might be tempted to use such weapons and then blame the regime, precisely in order to provoke further U.S. intervention.”

And similar to stories that appeared in Al-Monitor and other media outlets with pieces favorable of Assad and Iran, ICG put out a threat to America’s regional allies: “Major regional or international escalation (such as retaliatory actions by the regime, Iran or Hezbollah, notably against Israel) is possible but probably not likely given the risks involved, though this could depend on the scope of the strikes.”

The Assad lobby may have been dispersed since March 2011, but Assad’s friends in Washington still linger. With Americans looking for whatever arguments they can get against the war, and with misinformation abound, the Assad and Iran lobbies now find it ideal to pitch their theories on the inevitability of letting Assad get away with chemical attacks, as the only option available, and engaging Iran over Syria, or maybe just let Tehran build a nuclear bomb.

September 8th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

revenire said:

America can’t defeat millions of Syrians with bombs.

September 8th, 2013, 8:17 pm

 

zoo said:

#591 Headsup

Why are you posting here, I thought you were boycotting that blog under the instructions of your masters?

September 8th, 2013, 8:19 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Alert for REVENIRE, ZOO, ALAN and other Team Assad hacks on this forum.

Here’s another thing to deny to yourselves and scratch around for ways to justify or try to convince others it’s not true:

Assad’s air forces have started bombing the Euphrates dam.

September 8th, 2013, 8:28 pm

 

zoo said:

More about Maaloula’s fate under attack by Morocan, Tunisian, Libyans and Chechens, the close friends to the FSA

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/assad-denies-ordering-chemical-attack-and-warns-of-retaliation-against-any-us-strikes-1.1520400

In Syria, rebels and jihadi fighters remained in control of the heights above the ancient Christian town of Maaloula, 60km (37 miles) north of Damascus, while government forces continued to fight for possession of the town, a proposed Unesco world heritage site.

Maaloula is built into the cliffs of rugged mountains where Christians constructed the churches of St Sergius and St Takla. In the vanguard of the campaign to wrest control of the town is Jabhat al-Nusra, the most effective fighting arm of the local al-Qaeda franchise.

Rami Abdel Rahman of the Britain-based opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said: “The army pulled back to the outskirts . . . and [rebel and jihadi fighters] are in total control of Maaloula now.”

However, video from news channel Russia Today showed government forces at the town’s entrance arches being fired upon by jihadi snipers on buildings. A resident of the town said these forces, largely composed of Tunisians, Moroccans, Chechens and Libyans, attacked both civilian homes and churches as many townspeople fled. One church has been torched and two others have been pillaged, the resident said.

Jihadis were said to have forced Christians to convert to Islam or face beheading.

Syrian state news agency Sana, however, reported that military operations were ongoing and the churches were “safe”.

September 8th, 2013, 8:28 pm

 

revenire said:

Syriahater no one gives a sh*t about your dam story. Go away. You’re a fraud with a capital F.

September 8th, 2013, 8:33 pm

 

revenire said:

Heads-Up copy paste King. LOL I actually laugh when you post.

Yeah yeah Assad is gonna get it. Assad this Assad that.

I bet you get up in the morning thinking about Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 8:35 pm

 

Tara said:

الجيش الحر يحمي مقدسات معلولا بريف دمشق

الجيش السوري الحر أكد التزامه بتأمين الأقليات وحماية المقدسات المسيحية (رويترز)

كلّف الائتلاف الوطني السوري المعارض وهيئة الأركان العامة للقوى العسكرية والثورية أمس الأحد قوات خاصة من الجيش الحر بتأمين أهالي ومقدسات بلدة معلولا التاريخية، التي تقطنها أغلبية مسيحية وتقع في ريف دمشق.
 
وأوضح بيان وقّعه رئيسا الائتلاف وهيئة الأركان أنه تم تكليف قوات خاصة من الجيش الحر بتأمين الحماية “لأهلنا في معلولا، وبالخصوص الأديرة والمقدسات”.
 
وأكد البيان على القيام بكل جهد لحماية السوريين. وأشار إلى تركيز الجيش الحر على حماية الأقليات، قائلا “إنهم إخوتنا ونعلم أن النظام سيستهدفهم بشكل استثنائي في هذه المرحلة تحديدا”.
 
وأضاف البيان أن النظام السوري “يسعى بفجور استثنائي لترهيب السوريين والعالم”، عبر إعطاء انطباع بأنه يحمي الأقليات وأن الثوار “وحوش ضارية تريد افتراسها”.
وأكد البيان على التزام المعارضة السورية والجيش الحر بالسعي لحماية كل سوري وسورية، “وقص اليد التي تمتد لتطال أهلنا وخصوصا الأقليات”.

المصدر:الألمانية

September 8th, 2013, 8:38 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Stung REVENIRE! Swarm of bees on your ass again.

You must feel so tired thinking of all the lying and denying ahead that dam attack by Assad will need.

Already your bosses demand you have to provide 30% of the posts on this forum. Then you had the Assad chemical attack, and now this.

The tide of junk food wrappers and empty red bull cans around you at the computer must have risen to ear level. Can you even leave your seat?

September 8th, 2013, 8:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Plan for duration of strikes: 72 hours

The Los Angeles Times reported that the Pentagon has made contingency plans for 72 hours of intense strikes not only designed to deter Syria from using chemical weapons but also to degrade its forces.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/assad-denies-ordering-chemical-attack-and-warns-of-retaliation-against-any-us-strikes-1.1520400

September 8th, 2013, 8:43 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Sohr ( anti regime site ) poll about war on Syria:
هل تؤيد الهجوم العسكري على سوريا ؟
نعم – 60.2%
لا – 39.8%

Gallup:
51% of Americans are against the war
51% of Syrians think the war in Syria will last more than 1-2 years

September 8th, 2013, 8:48 pm

 

zoo said:

Preparing an exit? The US to return to the UNSC? so what’s the point of the Congress vote?

http://www.china.org.cn/world/2013-09/08/content_29965415.htm

U.S. did not rule out the possibility of returning to the UN to secure a resolution on Syria once U.N. inspectors complete their report, Kerry said, adding that U.S. President Barack Obama had yet to make a decision on the issue.

September 8th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 

Tara said:

شيع في مدينة الرمثا الأردنية الحدودية مع سوريا الأربعاء العنصر السابق في المخابرات السورية ناصر منصور توما البشارة، وهو من عائلة مسيحية معروفة اعتنق الاسلام قبل أشهر وقتل برصاص الجيش الحكومي السوري يوم عيد الميلاد في مدينة بصرى الشام بدرعا.

وقال ناشطون سوريون للجزيرة نت إن البشارة البالغ من العمر 24 عاما، ومن مواليد محافظة السويداء، قضى الثلاثاء 25/12/2012 متأثرا بطلقة قناص اخترقت ظهره باتجاه قلبه إثر اشتباكات مع من يوصفون بعناصر الشبيحة الموالين لنظام الرئيس بشار الأسد بمدينة بصرى الشام بمحافظة درعا.

وأكد أحد النشطاء الذي تحدث للجزيرة نت عبر الهاتف أنه جرى نقل البشارة إلى مستشفى ميداني في درعا، ومن ثم إلى الأردن حيث لقي حتفه في مستشفى المفرق الحكومي بمدينة المفرق الحدودية مع سوريا.

وشيع العشرات من النشطاء السوريين والمواطنين الأردنيين جثمان البشارة إلى مقبرة مدينة الرمثا الأربعاء.

ونقل مراسل اتحاد تنسيقيات حوران عن رفاق البشارة أن الأخير من عائلة مسيحية معروفة وكان يخدم بمحافظة حمص كعنصر أمن بالمخابرات قبل أن ينشق عن النظام في أبريل/نيسان 2011 بعد شهر فقط من انطلاق الثورة على نظام بشار الأسد.

وقال المراسل -الذي تحدث للجزيرة نت- إن سبب الانشقاق المبكر يعود لتكليف البشارة أثناء عمله  بالمخابرات مع بداية الثورة بحمل بندقية قناص بهدف قتل المتظاهرين السلميين في حمص.

فور التكليف
وقال مراسل اتحاد تنسيقيات حوران إن البشارة انشق عن النظام فور تكليفه بهذا العمل، وانضم مباشرة للثوار في درعا  للدفاع عن المتظاهرين السلميين.

وأشار إلى أنه وبعد تشكيل الجيش الحر انضم البشارة لمجموعة “سرية المداهمة الخاصة” التابعة لكتيبة درع الجنوب في الريف الشرقي من محافظة درعا، حيث شارك أثناء عمله في السرية باقتحام عدة مخافر حدودية مع الأردن.

وأفاد مراسل تنسيقيات حوران بأن بشارة “انضم قبل شهرين من استشهاده لكتيبة حافظ مقداد في مدينة بصرى الشام حيث عمل قناصا مع الكتيبة”.

ووفق معلومات حصلت عليها الجزيرة نت فإن بشارة بقى مع الثوار أكثر من عام على دينه المسيحي إلى أن اعتنق الإسلام قبل حوالي ثلاثة أشهر.

ونقل نشطاء للجزيرة نت عن زملاء البشارة المرافقين له منذ انضمامه للثورة أنه “دخل الإسلام بمحض إرادته ودون أي تشجيع من أحد، حيث واظب على الصلاة وأداء الشعائر الدينية الإسلامية”.

وقال أحد النشطاء للجزيرة نت إن البشارة كان يمارس طقوسه الدينية المسيحية بحرية قبل إسلامه، وإنه كان يرفض الخروج أمام وسائل الإعلام “خوفا على عائلته” ووفق الناشط فإن البشارة وقصته “تدحض رواية النظام عن الطائفية في الثورة السورية”.

المصدر:الجزيرة

September 8th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 

Syrian said:

شباب القصاع و باب توما
8 hours ago
” معلولا القصة كاملة ”
تنويه : التقرير يتناول فقط ازمة معلولا ولايعبر عن راي سياسي او حوادث اخرى , فقط تحليل لما حصل بمعلولا
التقرير لا يشرع لاي احد ان يفجر او يقتل او او ..
التقرير عبارة عن تحليل بسيط ورؤوية معمقة لما حصل في معلولا .
بتاريخ 4 – 9 – 2013 من ميلاد المسيح , أقدمت جماعات مسلحة تابعة للمعارضة السورية بتفجير سيارة مفخخة بحاجز للجيش السوري على مدخل المدينة اودت باستشهاد معظم عناصر الحاجز على ارواحهم الطاهرة السلام والرحمة ,
بعد ذلك تابع المسلحين اقتحام المدينة وسيطروا عليها وعلى الجبال المحيطة بشكل كامل , في هذه الاثناء بدأت الاخبار تنتشر على صفحات الفيسبوك والمواقع الالكترونية عن مجازر في معلولا عن حرق للمنازل والكنائس ونسف للبيوت !!!
في كل مرة كنا نعود الى الصفحة او الموقع الناشر ونطلب منهم مصدر الخبر او دليل عليه ولم يكونوا يقدمون لنا اي شيئ ,
وبعد يوم كامل وصلتنا الاخبار من داخل البلدة ان المسلحين دخلوا المدينة بهدف استهداف الجيش المتواجد على مداخل المدينة ولم يقع اي حالة اعدام لمدني او هدم او حرق منظم لاي كنيسة او بيت , عندما نشرنا هذه الحقيقة سارع الكثير الى اتهامنا بالعمالة والكذب والتزوير وكنا ننتظر دليل قاطع يثبت ذلك الى ان خرجت الاخت بيلاجيا سياف من قلب معلولا للتحدث على قناة الجديد وقناة ال بي سي بأن لم يحدث اي حالة سرقة لاي كنيسة او حرق او قتل او اعدام , عندها تأكدنا من أمرين :
ان مصادرنا من داخل البلدة صادقة والاخبار كانت من نبض الحقيقة
والامر الثاني ان الصفحات والمواقع التي نشرت تلك الاخبار عن الذبح والابادة كاذبة ليس فقط في هذه الاخبار وانما في نقلها اخبار سوريا كلها ,
وهذه هي مداخلات الام بيلاجيا
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2qXUSIlM4A
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http://www.aljadeed.tv/MenuAr/news/DetailNews/AlNashrat.html?id=82819
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في اليوم الثاني من دخول المسلحين شهدت اطراف البلدة تعزيزات للجيش السوري هدفها الحشد لاسترجاع البلدة وبدأت الاشتباكات العنيفة منذ الصباح استخدم بها المسلحون والجيش السوري كافة انواع الاسلحة ” طيران , مدفعية , هاون , قذائف صاروخية , دبابات , رشاشات ثقيلة بكافة انواعها ”
وبحكم الاشتباكات العنيفة على مداخل البلدة بدأت تتضر بعض المنازل من سقوظ قذائف بين الحين والاخر , وقد سقطت قذائف بالقرب من دير مارتقلا ادت الى تصاعد دخان كثيف من جانب الدير فظن الناس في بداية الامر ان الدير احترق وخلال ساعات تبين ان الدير بخير ولم يصبه اذى ,
خلال هذه الساعات كانت وسائل الاتصال والانترنت مقطوعة عن البلدة ومحيطها اي ان لامصدر اخبار لاي صفحة او موقع او محطة فضائية باستثناء مداخلات الام بيلاجيا
كيف بدأت بعض الصفحات تتحدث عن مجازر وابادة وكل شيئ مقطوع والبلدة معزولة عن الخارج وذهب البعض لنشر اخبار كـ ” المسلحين يسرقون دير مارتقلا بسيارة بنية اللون نمرتها ” حماة ” !!!!
وكيف استطعت تحديد هكذا شيئ وانت قلت ان البلدة معزولة !!!
عدنا الى هذه الصفحات طلبناها بدليل بمصدر فكان الرد ” هيك بقولو ”
اي ان الصفحات والمواقع تنشر نقلا عن عبارة ” هيك بقولو !!!
لم يأخذوا في الاعتبار قلوب الاهالي خارج معلولا ولم يأخذوا بالاعتبار الوضع الحساس وكانت اخبارهم عبارة عن شحنة طائفية قذرة خالية من المنطق او الدليل صاحب العقل محال ان ينجر ورائهم ولكن بعض البهائم واعذرونا على هذه الكلمة انجروا ورائهم .
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في اليوم التالي نشرت عدة مواقع ومحطات فضائية وبالاخص قناة العالم الايرانية وقناة الميادين خبرا مفاده ان المسلحين ازالو التمثال المقدس وحرقوه وأنزلو الصليب وكسروه
من بلدة معلولا .. طبعا ذكروا الخبر بدون صور او اتصال مع احد او اوا اي شيئ يثبت كلامهم , بالرغم مما يحلمه الخبر من كلام خطيرا وخطير جدا !!
حاولنا التواصل مع اهالي البلدة لم ننجح في بادئ الامر , بعدها قامت المعارضة ببث اشرطة فيديو موثقة وتظهر التمثال والصليب بدون التعرض لاي اذى
لم ننشر هذا الفيديو حتى نتاكد من اهالي البلدة , وبعد ساعات استطعنا التواصل مع احد النازحين لكي يخبرنا بشهادته ” مافي شي مكسر ونحنا مدهوشين من هي الاخبار الي صار اشتباكات ومعارك بس مافي حرق ومدابح وقتل !!!!
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قناة العالم الايرانية كانت تنشر كل دقائق على عاجل القناة اخبارا عن المجازر والحرق والتدمير .. !!
مع ان القناة تحمل فكر ايراني متشدد مفاده انننا نحن كفار ويجب قتلنا واننا ننتمى الى الامبريالية العالمية وهذا الشيئ لا احد يخفى عليه ,
كيف لها اذا ان تخاف على مقدساتنا !!!
كل المحطات والمواقع كانت تنشر هي الاخبار مو هدفا انو خايفة علينا .. كانت تنشرا كتحريض بهدف الوصول لتدميرها كانت تتمنى تتدمر مشان تستثمرها لصالحها
يعني متاجرة فينا وبالمقدسات تبعنا !!!!
واكبر دليل اقدمه على كذب وتجارة المحطات والصفحات بنا :
ما اسماء شهداء المجزرة التي تكلمتم عنها ؟؟
واين جثثهم ؟؟
التمثال المقدس الذي حرقتموه باخباركم لماذا اراه الان شامخا في معلولا !!!
الصليب المقدس الذي كسرتموه في صفحاتكم كيف التئم وعاد الى مكانه !!
فقط قليل من العقل تكشف لك الكثير والكثير !!!
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معلولا باقية واهلها باقون ومقدساتها باقية لان التاريخ يتكلم انها منذ الاف السنين مر عليها اعتى من هكذا ازمات وبقيت ومن تمنى ان تحرق معلولا من صفحات ومواقع ومحطات خسأتم وخسأ مخططكم ,
وهذا مقطع للبطريك اليازجي يقول فيه حرفيا :
لم تتعرض الكنائس او المدنيين لعدوان منظم في معلولا
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoQ2kvKwNIY
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من تريدون ان نصدق مراهق مدير صفحة على الفيسبوك ينشر اخبار بدون دليل او مصدر وهو نفسه يقول معلولا معزولة عن العالم ام نصدق الام بيلاجيا والبطريك وصور ومقاطع واضحة بان معلولا ليست لكم حيدوها عن المعركة لاتتاجروا فيها . !!!!
المعركة انتهت والحقيقة لو ان المسلحين يريدون التحصن بالمدينة لتحصنو فيها ولحصلت معارك وتدمرت المدينة كالقصير وخان العسل وغيرها ومات اهلها بين جائع ومقصوف !!
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رسالة الصفحة الى السوريين جميعا :
نحن كمسيحيين موجودين في هذه البلد منذ فجر التاريح الاف والاف السنين
كل ذرة تراب تشهد وكل نهر وكل جبل او وادي يشهد على ذلك , مقدساتنا تشهد ان تاريخ الحضارة منذ الاف السنين ,
واكبر اهانة لي ولكم وللمسيحيين هي مقولة ” النظام الفلاني او الحكومة الفلانية او الطائفية الفلانية او المعارضة الفلانية هي ضامن وجودكم في سوريا ”
هذا يعني ان عمري في البلد 50 عام فقط !
هذا يعني انه لايوجد لنا مقدسات عمرها الاف السنين !!!
انا هنا قبل ان يوجد هذا النظام او تلك المعارضة !!
المسلمين يعيشون معنا منذ 1400 عام لماذا الان تريدون ان تصوروا لي انهم يريدون تهجيري !!
نرجوكم نناشدكم تصوروا ان الحرب بين نظام ومعارضة بين نظام وارهاب بين ثوار وديكتاتور بين اي شيئ تريدونه لكن لاتصوروها انها بين مسلم ومسيحي لان الاولى يمكن حلها والثانية ستؤدي الى هلاك سوريا وشعبها بالكامل لن يخرج احد منتصر من المعركة لن ينجوا احد ابدا !!!!
العنف سوف يجلب العنف
والقتل سوف يجلب القتل
وترك الحدود والتحصن بالقصور سوف يجلب لنا الارهاب من كل مكان
والتدمير سوف يجلب التدخل الخارجي
وكلمة ياعلي لدى العلويين سوف تجلب كملة ” يا الله ” لدى المسلمين
نرجوكم هناك مؤامرة كبيرة ضد سوريا هدفها هو استنزاف كامل سوريا جيشا وشعبا ومعارضة بحيث لايبقى اي شيئ في سوريا , ان اردتموها حربا فصوروها حربا لكن لاتدخلو فيها تاريخنا ومدقساتنا ,
هذه هي رسالتنا بعد ان جمعنا كل خطوط القضية نرجوا منكم التفكير التفكير العميق بمعاني الكلام والصفحة الان تطوي الموضوع السياسي والاخباري وسنعود كصفحة دينية ولمة شمل للسوريين شبابا وبناتا صغارا وكبارا ..
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تنويه : بعد هذا التقرير وهذا الكلام سوف توجه الينا التهم التالية |” العمالة , الخيانة , الصفحة مهكرة , الصفحة مسمومة , الصفحة ليست مسيحية وليست مسلمة وانما قادمة من الفضاء لكي تروج لافكارها والتهمة المضحكة المبكية ” اخونة الكنيسة ”
كلامنا كان موجه لمن اراد الحقيقة ومن اراد غير ذلك هناك مئات الصفحات تروج وتتاجر بكم وبسوريا كلها ,
مشتركينا نحن نحبكم ونريد ان نبقى معكم ساهمو ببقاء الصفحة من خلال دعمنا ونشر هذا الكلام ومشاركته وشكرا الكم
سوف نتعرض لانتقادات كبيرة رغم اننا نؤكد اننا لسنا مع المسلحين ولسنا مع دخول معلولا هدف التقرير نشر الحقيقة وتوعية بعض المتغافلين واي تعليق يحوي كلام بذيئ او شتم بدون منطق او دليل سيزيد من صحة التقرير

September 8th, 2013, 8:57 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Below is a link to a video showing where airstrikes have hit the Euphrates dam and remnants of the bomb.

Bashar Assad’s Iranian bosses would think it’s fair game and smart strategy to hit Syria’s biggest dam and destroy the country’s electricity and agriculture infrastructure.

And the hate-fuelled Assad family agrees with them: the Syrian people need to be taught a lesson for disrespecting Bashar.

September 8th, 2013, 8:59 pm

 

zoo said:

Alawites escape jihadists in Syria, take shelter in Turkey

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/alawites-escape-jihadists-in-syria-take-shelter-in-turkey.aspx?PageID=238&NID=54073&NewsCatID=352

Many Syrian Alawites are escaping the violence in Turkey’s neighbor and have come to Istanbul, where they are living in the parks and streets. Some say their children were kidnapped by jihadists

In increasing number of Syrian Alawites, who fled from Aleppo to Turkey’s southeastern province of Gaziantep two months ago, have come to Istanbul in search of a safe haven.

Hundreds are now living in the parks and streets, mainly in the Kumkapı, Fatih and Şirinevler districts of the city. In the last week alone, Alevi associations, led by the Haci Bektas Veli Foundation in Istanbul, have taken more than 200 Syrians from the parks and streets and brought them to cemevis (Alevi worship houses) in order to provide them with shelter.

According to the accounts of these refugees, at least 3,000 escaped from an Alawite neighborhood in Aleppo two months ago, after being targeted by an al-Qaeda-linked jihadist group battling the Syrian regime, Jabhat al-Nusra. “The rebels attacked us in Aleppo. We had to run away. They were not Syrians, they were jihadists coming from other countries. Some of them come with the aim of jihad, and some of them come for money,” said Hasan (not his real name), who fled to Istanbul with his family.

‘Frightening rumors’

Witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity and asked for neither the name of the cemevi where they are being looked after, nor their names, be written.

They said they were afraid to stay in the refugee camps located in the border areas of Turkey with the other Syrians who had fled al-Assad’s forces. Although none have stayed in these refugee camps, they are frightened by the rumors they heard.

“The Turkish government wanted to take us to the refugee camp in Kilis but we resisted, we didn’t go. More than half of the Syrians in the camps are supporters of the opposition forces. They force people to go into Syria to fight against the regime. We also heard from our relatives who stayed in these camps that they were threatened with death, and that some women had been raped in the camps,” Hasan said.

“We know what has been going on in the camps. We heard women were being raped there, the supporters of the opposition forces dominate the camps,” said Hasan’s sister-in-law.

September 8th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

zoo said:

As long as the opposition does not officially condemn Al Nusra and the Jihadists, it remain an accomplice to their crimes and bear the responsibility of the death and tortures the Jihadist have perpetrated on Syrians.
The opposition have invited that cancer in Syria and keep feeding it.
No one will ever forget or forgive.

September 8th, 2013, 9:06 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian@ 603

Finally at last. Some Syrian Christians are dissociating themselves from the regime, speaking loud and clear and asking the regime not to buy and sell the blood of Christ.

September 8th, 2013, 9:06 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The Syrian opposition has not even tried to win the support of the country’s minorities. There is no program, or even meaningful discussion, of how a post-Assad regime might protect Syria’s Alawites from retribution. The Kurds are unwilling to fight for an opposition that says future arrangements for the Kurds will be decided democratically — in other words, by a Sunni Arab majority that has never shown any sympathy for Kurdish linguistic and citizenship rights, much less for their demands for regional autonomy. Nor has the opposition acknowledged or addressed the fears of Syria’s Christians.
Twenty-five years ago this month, I led a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff mission that went along the entire Iraqi-Turkish border documenting the use of chemical weapons against Iraq’s Kurds. These are horrific weapons, and their use demands a response.
But the United States should be cautious about a strategy involving military support, including airstrikes and arms supplies, to a Syrian opposition that has neither the ability nor the inclination to reach out to Syria’s minorities. Such a strategy is not likely to succeed and, more important, we may not want it to succeed.
Peter W. Galbraith is a former U.S. ambassador and the author of two books on the Iraq war.

( as for maloula, both sides will try to look civilized and act as protectors of Christians but the buttom line is that the Christians in maloula did not invite the rebels and did not want them there, it is well documented that the army has a nominal presence in maloula for a number of reasons, if that precious town gets destroyed most people will blame the rebels not the regime, those rebels had no business being there)

September 8th, 2013, 9:13 pm

 

atassi said:

One more call :ideas for averting the incoming escalation!
1.Immediate and clear announcement of Assad intent to hand all executive power to a national transition panel (Army, civilians)
2.Immediate and clear announcement by the SNC of excepting the announcement and declaring any elements opposing it as outcasts
3.Immediate halt of all military activities
4.Reintegrate the deserted FSA into the national Syrian army
5.Declare the Syrian Army and Police the sole military and security forces
6.A UN NGO Facilitated a free and fair transition parliament elections process, taking into account the open and transparent competition among election candidates and ensuring the highest ethical and moral standard of electoral conduct.
7.Grant the freely-elected parliament most of the legislative power to effectively serve the interests of the citizens of Syria only.
8.Amend the current constitution to explicitly set a limited term for the presidency.
9.Remove any elements opposing the needs for institutional reform and draft laws to protect the civil and political rights of the diverse Syrian minorities and ensure they are fully represented in a national government.
10.Establish an independent localized transparent transitional nation rebuilding structure
11.Establish an independent transitional justice system to fight corruption and enforce transparency in public entities

September 8th, 2013, 9:14 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Come on weary REVENIRE, prod, prod keep rolling out your lines. You’ve already given us “it’s just lies” about the dam.

It’s quickly getting to the phase where you insist “naughty rebels commandeered Syrian airforce aircraft and did it”.

Then the next step, when you start telling yourself and others that it was a silly useless old dam anyway and Syrians don’t need (ie deserve) such infrastructure.

And finally, the best stage, where you say that Bashar was out of the room, sitting on the lavatory absorbed with his laptop, when the orders were given to bomb the dam.

September 8th, 2013, 9:17 pm

 

revenire said:

Who cares? A dam. A chemical attack. Assad Assad Assad.

Yawn. Same thing from Syriahater for years. I could have walked away for 5 years, come back and it would have been the same post.

September 8th, 2013, 9:23 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#608. GHUFRAN you have worrying memory loss. There was a lot of discussion by the opposition in the early stages about protecting the Alawites. And Moaz al Khatib had plenty of constructive things to say on this subject.

It led to Assad massively stepping up the scare and disinformation campaigns to worry the Alawites into becoming more dependent on him.

Was it you saying this – or are you pretending to quote some outsider again without any supporting references?

What’s WRONG with you GHUFRAN???

(No, don’t say anything. I don’t want to think about you).

September 8th, 2013, 9:27 pm

 

revenire said:

Khatib is forgotten by everyone. He’s a nothing. He never was something except a fictional character.

It is like this dam. Who cares? If u want to get worked up knock yourself out. It it is a military target then bravo. It not who cares?

September 8th, 2013, 9:30 pm

 

revenire said:

SL to me the bottom line is are you going to support cannibals or are you going to support a president who is protecting the population from the cannibals.

This is an easy choice for me. I am sorry you have a hard time deciding.

I hope one day you get what it is you want. I doubt Syria will ever satisfy you but who knows? When Assad gets old and his son takes over perhaps things will be better.

Just joking friend.

As far as the dam look at it this way: those who need a bath will get one. A lot of the videos indicate to me that many of the insurgents 1.) do not like bathing 2.) are unable to bathe because they’re so busy raping women or beheading priests (Father Paolo) etc.

This way they get a free bath. I think we can agree that isn’t so bad.

September 8th, 2013, 9:38 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara:
They know that the regime will have no problem what so ever destroying their historic town for some publicity and propaganda purposes
There is a famous story that all christians from Hama know, after Hafaz destroyed Hama and the battle was completely over, Hafez found out that only the masjids of Hama were destroyed and none of it church’s, so he ordered for the oldest church of Hama in the center of town to be demolished by explosive,so the Hama bombing can not be described as a sectarian war, all the pleading of went unread and was demolished , ask any Christian from Hama.

September 8th, 2013, 9:38 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

From using CW against civilians,to destroying Euphrate Dam , to bombing Maaloula
Assad decisions are getting very desperate,

Ghuran brought an article claiming that the Assad army in and around Maaloula is” nominal”
I have been to Maaloula several times and actually there are large military presence in that area, I dined in that hotel on top of the mountain, and looking at the left side the other hills are studded with houses of military officers, I counted over 30 houses in one area that I saw, brigade 155 is large one, to say nominal is very inaccurate

September 8th, 2013, 9:39 pm

 

Syrialover said:

REVENIRE #609, you sound so tired, so stale and jaded. Finding it an even greater struggle than usual to process stuff.

Those bees of reality are stinging your backside and you are too worn out to even brush them off. Even pouring Red Bull over your head and into your lap won’t revive you.

How you must be craving the end of this game. Don’t despair, it won’t be long before you and Team Assad lose your employer.

September 8th, 2013, 9:41 pm

 

revenire said:

Nusra beheaded Christians in Ma’loula. It is all over the American and Russian news.

I believe Obama said he is angry that his allies have attacked a Christian town and will now hold off bombing for another month to punish them.

September 8th, 2013, 9:41 pm

 

revenire said:

Who remembers Khatib? I can recall many here greeting him as the savior. Then came Hitto. Now no one even talks about these losers. They are gone.

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Yes. I am very very familiar with Hama Christians. And yes, they stand side by side to Muslims in Hama.

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

revenire said:

SL sorry. I don’t get too excited about a dam being blown up. If the SAA did that they had a good reason. It rates a 1 out of 5 for me. What can I say?

September 8th, 2013, 9:44 pm

 

Syrialover said:

REVENIRE, here let me help you in your struggle.

Cut to the chase. Go straight to your last-resort dam destruction script:

“Bashar was out of the room, sitting on the lavatory absorbed with his laptop, when the orders were given to bomb the Euphrates Dam.”

September 8th, 2013, 9:46 pm

 

don said:

OBAMA’s death squads

Syria Islamist rebels take control of historic Christian town of Maaloula

(CNN) — An al Qaeda-linked rebel group has wrested control of the historic Christian town of Maaloula from regime forces, opposition groups said Sunday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the hardline Islamist rebels of the al-Nusra Front seized control Saturday night.

Antoinette Nassrallah, the Christian owner of a cafe in Maaloula, told CNN last year she had seen government TV images depicting radical Muslim attacks on Christians. She said she has heard about such violence in Aleppo.

“For now in our area here it’s fine,” she said last year. “But what I heard, in Aleppo, they are killing, destroying many of churches — very, very old churches.”

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/08/world/meast/syria-civil-war/

September 8th, 2013, 9:50 pm

 

revenire said:

SL I don’t care about the dam. Sorry. Like I said, if the SAA blew it to pieces they had a good reason – like with all they do.

I guess you wanted me to get excited about this but it isn’t that exciting. It is like the chemical attack stories = boring. The videos = boring.

Everyone knows the so-called opposition is a mess and lies about everything.

Frankly, after three years of crying “massacre” no one cares. The world gave the opposition the Middle Finger and backed Syria against Obama.

You saw all those people in Italy demonstrating for Syria this weekend.

What can I say? Tweets saying “Assad killed 1,000,000 people” are silly. No one believes you guys.

September 8th, 2013, 9:51 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Fortunately what I posted was not written by me, look at the source, Syria lover.
The rebels lost minorities a long time ago, nothing I say or you say will change this fact,
Keeping Sabrah in the NC and allowing kilo to write an article and attend a conference is too little too late.

September 8th, 2013, 9:59 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#623 REVENIRE you are brain dead and rambling. Still stuck in the stage of “it was a silly little dam anyway and deserved to be destroyed”.

Why don’t you just move on to the bit where Bashar wasn’t in the room when the orders were given to bomb the dam (see script #621)?

Answer: Because your handlers expect you to keep your posts to at least 30% of the forum here and you need to spin things out.

I’ve been too kind helping you. Game’s over.

September 8th, 2013, 10:00 pm

 

atassi said:

one more call——- :ideas for averting the incoming escalation!
1.Immediate and clear announcement of Assad intent to hand all executive power to a national transition panel (Army, civilians)
2.Immediate and clear announcement by the SNC of excepting the announcement and declaring any elements opposing it as outcasts
3.Immediate halt of all military activities
4.Reintegrate the deserted FSA into the national Syrian army
5.Declare the Syrian Army and Police the sole military and security forces
6.A UN NGO Facilitated a free and fair transition parliament elections process, taking into account the open and transparent competition among election candidates and ensuring the highest ethical and moral standard of electoral conduct.
7.Grant the freely-elected parliament most of the legislative power to effectively serve the interests of the citizens of Syria only.
8.Amend the current constitution to explicitly set a limited term for the presidency.