New Syrian Leadership Electrifies Opposition: Ten Countries Promise Recognition

Ten countries promised recognition of the new “National Coalition for Revolutionary Forces and the Syrian Opposition”, including Saudi, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, US, German, Italy, France.

Mouaz al-Khatib, a former imam at the famous Umayyad mosque in Damascus, was voted as president. Riad Seif, who proposed the initiative to form the new group, and female activist Suhair al-Atassi were chosen as deputies. All three have served time in Syrian prisons and left the country recently. (See BBC’s Excellent profile of Khatib)

It is a big day for the Syrian opposition. Defying naysayers and skeptics, the opposition came together in Doha to follow the outlines of the Riad Seif plan. Opposition members the world over are electrified by the outcome and moving speeches given by the opposition’s new leadership. Assad regime must be worried, as it has survived for 42 years thanks to Syria’s fragmentation.

Now the challenge will be to unite the militias on the ground in Syria behind the new civilian leadership. The role of Qatar, the US, France and Britain have been central in encouraging unity.

Ahmad Moaz Al Khatib Al Hassani – official webpage with speeches given in the past

Video of Ahmad al-Khatib

George Sabra’s Speech on Youtube Very moving. One Syrian friend writes: “This speech made me feel proud to be a Syrian Christian for the first time in a long time.”

Names of the members of the ‘itilaf al-watani

معاذ الخطيب، رياض سيف،سهير الأتاسي، جورج صبرا كلهم معتقلين سابقين بسجون النظام،ورياض خسر ابنه ثمنا لانتقاده رامي مخلوف

Gulf States Recognize New Syrian Opposition Group,  2012-11-12

Dubai, United Arab Emirates (AP) — The six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council says it has recognized the new broad-based Syrian opposition group as the legitimate representatives of the Syrian people. Monday’s statement is the first formal recognition for the newly united opposition group that seeks to topple President Bashar Assad. It also could be another step toward opening up greater military aid to the rebels from the Gulf states such as Qatar, which hosted the Syrian opposition meeting.

Reuters – Syria opposition seeks support

His assembly was recognized by the six Sunni Muslim-ruled kingdoms of the Gulf Cooperation Council as “the legitimate representative of the Syrian people”. Washington said it would back it “as it charts a course toward the end of Assad’s bloody rule and the start of the peaceful, just, democratic future”.

The Arab League welcomed the formation of the new body, called on other opposition groups to join it and described it as “a legitimate representative and a primary negotiator”, but fell short of calling it the new authority in Syria.

Syrian opposition agrees deal, chooses preacher as leader
By RANIA EL GAMAL, REUTERS November 12, 2012

DOHA – Syrian opposition leaders struck a hard-won deal on Sunday under intense international pressure to form a broad, new coalition to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad and chose a popular Islamist activist to head the body.

Mouaz al-Khatib, a former imam at the famous Umayyad mosque in Damascus, was voted as president. Riad Seif, who proposed the initiative to form the new group, and female activist Suhair al-Atassi were chosen as deputies.

Delegates, who had struggled for days in the Qatari capital Doha to find the unity their Western and Arab backers have long urged, said the coalition would ensure a voice for religious and ethnic minorities and for the rebels fighting on the ground, who have complained of being overlooked by exiled dissident groups.

U.S. hails creation of new Syrian exile opposition group
By Roy Gutman | McClatchy Newspapers – November 11, 2012

Riad Seif, a Syrian businessman who served in the Syrian Parliament and then spent several terms in jail as a political dissident, was the principal organizer of the new initiative and was elected a deputy president of the new group. Suhair al Atassi, a female anti-Assad activist, was elected as a second vice president.

Jones, the U.S. official, urged the new organization, whose full name is the Syrian National Coalition for the Forces of the Opposition and the Revolution, to set up a technical group with which the international community can “work quickly.” She said she was sending a top level official to London to attend an emergency aid meeting that the British government has called for Friday.

In late October, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton publicly called for the new group to supplant the Syrian National Council, which had been the biggest exile umbrella group. Founded little over a year ago, the SNC has been widely criticized for infighting, lackluster leadership, and a failure to raise sufficient funds or to establish close links with fighting groups inside Syria.

But the new coalition may face some of the same organizational problems that the Syrian National Council did. Syrian emigres do not have well-formed political parties, no surprise after four decades of a police state dictatorship, and the only group that appears able to develop a political strategy is the Muslim Brotherhood.

A second problem is the political constellation under which the new coalition was formed – public pressure from the United States, which is widely criticized by Syrians in and out of the country for giving plenty of advice but having done little to arm the rebels.

The new group also must determine how to incorporate the original Syrian National Council into its operation. The council this past week restructured itself and elected a Christian, George Sabra, as its president. Sabra immediately called for the international community to arm the rebels. “We need arms. We need arms. We need arms,” Sabra said, a distinctly more vigorous presentation than Khatib’s on Sunday night.

The government of Qatar, which hosted both the council’s organizational talks and the discussions that led to the creation of the Syrian National Coalition, invited both groups to stay in Doha until Nov. 25 in order to figure out how to meld their organizations.

Additionally, U.S. officials also may face difficulty rationalizing Khatib’s positions with U.S. policy. Western diplomats said Khatib has been a critic of twin accords agreed to in Cairo last July that Riad Seif was instrumental in drafting that specify that a post-Assad Syria should be secular in nature. Khatib has been critical of the documents because they make no reference to Islamic Shariah law.

Jones’ statement made clear that the U.S. government will not accept changes in the Cairo documents. “The basis of our cooperation remains the National Compact and the Transition plan announced in Cairo last July, as well as respect for human rights protections and equal treatment for all Syrian citizens,” the statement said.

Asked by e-mail whether she had made the statement out of concern for Khatib’s previous positions, Jones’ spokesman said he had no comment.

Syrian opposition groups strike reorganization deal
By Babak Dehghanpisheh, Wash Post

DOHA, Qatar — Fractious Syrian opposition groups finally struck a deal Sunday to form a new umbrella organization after a week of heated negotiations that were nearly derailed on several occasions.

The new organization, called the National Coalition for Revolutionary Forces and the Syrian Opposition, is intended to act as the single entity that manages the political and military affairs of the opposition and as the conduit for humanitarian and military aid.

At the end of October, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the Syrian National Council, the opposition group formed in August 2011, could no longer claim to be the credible leader of the opposition.

In recent months, the SNC has been criticized as an ineffectual organization out of touch with events on the ground in Syria.

Although many details of the structure of the new coalition and the timeline for achieving its political goals remained largely undefined Sunday, international supporters of the opposition praised the agreement and highlighted what appeared to be a new willingness of activists to work together.

A Syrian opposition conference held in Cairo in July led to fistfights between some activists.

“The regime fears most that the opposition unifies,” said Riyad Hijab, the former Syrian prime minister who defected in August and attended the opposition conference last week. “I know that. I was part of that regime.”

International backers of the opposition hope that a credible leadership for the group could win the support of ordinary Syrians and reduce the influence of extremist groups that are on the rise in the country….

Moaz Khatib, former imam of the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus, was named president of the new coalition. Khatib, who appeared at the signing ceremony Sunday night wearing a gray suit rather than clerical robes, is viewed as a religious moderate and is widely respected by opposition members inside and outside Syria. Riad Seif, a longtime activist who led the initiative to start a new coalition, and Suhair Atassi, a prominent female activist, were named vice presidents.

“After long suffering, the multiple national forces have reached a coalition of one front to help our people who are being slaughtered every day on the watch of the world,” Khatib said at the signing ceremony, which was attended by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davatoglu and Qatar’s prime minister, Hamad Bin Jasim al-Thani.

The leaders of the coalition said that gaining international recognition was a top priority and that Khatib may head to Cairo as soon as Monday to pursue recognition from the Arab League.

That would be followed by a push to get recognition from the Friends of Syria group, which includes the United States, followed by a pitch to the United Nations. Many prominent activists said they had received repeated assurances from their foreign backers that they would receive recognition quickly.

By Faisal Baatout (AFP) –

DOHA — …. After four days of marathon talks in Qatar, the Syrian National Council finally signed up to a wider, more representative bloc centred on a government-in-waiting, as demanded by Arab and Western states.

… Reservations in SNC ranks about what many members saw as a move to sideline it had prompted repeated delays in the Doha talks and mounting frustration among other dissident groups and the opposition’s Arab and Western supporters. But after negotiations ran into the early hours of Sunday and resumed in the afternoon, the anti-Assad factions agreed to form a “National Coalition of Forces of the Syrian Revolution and Opposition.”

“We signed a 12-point agreement to establish a coalition,” said leading dissident Riad Seif, who drew up the US-backed reform proposals on which Sunday’s agreement was based. In a copy of the document obtained by AFP, the parties “agree to work for the fall of the regime and of all its symbols and pillars,” and rule out any dialogue with the regime….

They agreed to unify the fighting forces under a supreme military council and to set up a national judicial commission for rebel-held areas….A provisional government would be formed after the coalition gains international recognition, and a transitional government formed after the regime has fallen.

The deal came after the SNC, which had formerly been seen as the main opposition group, heeded Arab and Western pressure to agree to a new structure embracing groups that had been unwilling to join its ranks.

Former prime minister Riad Hijab, who fled to neighbouring Jordan in August in the highest-ranking defection from Assad’s government, hailed the agreement as “an advanced step towards toppling the regime.”

Anti-Assad Syria National Council picks a Christian to be its new leader
By Roy Gutman
McClatchy Newspapers

DOHA, Qatar — Syria’s biggest political opposition bloc Friday elected a Christian, George Sabra, as president, a move Sabra said showed that the Muslim-majority nation will not allow its national uprising to descend into sectarian war.

Sabra, a geography teacher who once wrote for the Arabic version of “Sesame Street,” immediately demanded that the international community provide arms to the rebels so that they can protect Syrian civilians from regime attack.

Western nations, he told reporters after the vote by the Syrian National Council, should “support our right to survival.” He added, “To protect ourselves, we need weapons.”

Tens of thousands of Syrians have died in the uprising, which began as peaceful demonstrations against the government of President Bashar Assad. But it has become a bloody civil war pitting the Syrian army and air force against rebels who despite a lack of heavy weapons have seized large swaths of Syrian countryside and have fought loyalist forces to a standstill in Aleppo, the country’s largest city.

Sabra seemed stunned by his sudden elevation to the council’s top post. “It is an unbelievable moment in my life,” he told reporters. “I promise to become a representative for all the Syrian people.”

It was uncertain whether Sabra’s selection would rehabilitate the Syrian National Council in the eyes of the United States. Last week, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced that the U.S. no longer would recognize the council as the primary anti-Assad organization, saying too many of its members had lived in exile for decades and that a new opposition group should include more representation from people fighting inside Syria.

Sabra may help fit that requirement. A longtime member of Syria’s communist party, which renamed itself the Syrian Democratic People’s Party in 2005, Sabra went into exile only in October after serving two months in prison for inciting dissent. Previously, he had served eight years in prison during the regime of Bashar Assad’s father, Hafez Assad.

Sabra credited his election to the intervention of a conservative Islamist from Homs, a Sunni Muslim city that has been the scene of brutal fighting between rebels and pro-Assad forces for most of this year.

Until the Islamist, Wasal al Shamali, who was here representing the Supreme Council for Revolutionary Commands, a collection of rebel-held cities in Syria, spoke on Sabra’s behalf, Sabra wasn’t even a member of the group’s top governing committee, the general secretariat. The Syrian National Council has been criticized because its 41-member secretariat includes no women or Alawites, the religious offshoot of Shiite Islam to which Assad belongs.

Shamali, however, said that Sabra should have his place on the general secretariat.

“I didn’t even know his name,” Sabra told McClatchy. “He was in tears.”

Added Sabra: “After that, who can talk about sectarianism when a Muslim sacrifices his place for a Christian?”

The group later elected Sabra its president, 28-13, over Hisham Marwah, an Islamic legal scholar.

Sabra said his selection should signal to the international community: “Look at Syria. There is no sectarianism inside Syria. All the people here, Muslims, voted for Christians.”

He said the Syria that he and others are fighting for “doesn’t have minorities and majorities. We have citizenship. And as I am a citizen, my colleagues elected me.”

Whether that sentiment translates inside Syria is less clear. In recent weeks, fighting has broken out between Arab rebels and Kurdish militias in Aleppo, and some Sunni Muslims have vowed revenge on Alawites for their support of Assad. The country’s organized Christian religious groups have to date remained firmly allied with the Assad government, saying they fear that the mostly Sunni Muslim rebels won’t protect their rights once Assad is gone. There are also concerns that Islamist militants are playing a growing role in the rebellion.

Concerns of the growing influence of Islamists among the rebels are often cited by U.S. officials for their hesitancy to provide weapons, though many in the opposition argue that the U.S. failure to provide weapons is strengthening the Islamists.

Still to be determined is how Sabra’s election might affect plans, backed by the United States, the Arab League and Qatar, to restructure the opposition.

Under the U.S-backed move, dissident Riad Seif, a successful industrialist from Damascus and former member of the Syrian Parliament, had proposed setting up a new organization, the Syrian National Initiative, with a majority of members not from the Syrian National Council. The Syrian National Initiativewould set up a smaller body of technocrats, who would deal directly with the international community and help funnel humanitarian aid into the country.

Sabra said the SNC would discuss under what conditions it would participate in the new group on Saturday. Sabra said the SNC also would consider an alternative plan that would set up a 300-member assembly primarily of fighters and officials inside Syria to elect a transitional government.

“Our main goal is to unite the opposition to bring down the regime,” Sabra said.

One surprise aspect of the Syrian National Council’s vote Friday was that it was conducted in the open, following a more or less democratic process under which its membership base of 425 voted first for a general secretariat of 41, which then selected the executive committee and the president.

When it came time to vote for the president, the council allowed reporters to witness the process.

Syria’s main opposition bloc elects Christian former teacher as new president
By Associated Press, Published: November 9

DOHA, Qatar — Syria’s main opposition group in exile elected a left-wing veteran dissident born into a Christian family as its new president on Friday, a choice that could help counter Western concerns about possible Islamist influence over the group.

George Sabra, a Communist-turned-social-democrat and former high school teacher who once wrote for the Arabic version of Sesame Street, said his election as head of the Syrian National Council is proof that Syrians are not beholden to sectarianism.

“This day is a victory of the Syrian people to prove all over the world the reality of the Syrians … as young people shouted in the streets, ‘Syrian people are one, one, one,’” he said moments after his victory was announced at a conference in Doha, Qatar. Sabra’s election came on the eve of a crucial decision for the SNC.

Jordan Said to Help Arm Syria Rebels
Wall Street Journal, November 9, 2012
Shipments Are Routed Through Border as Kingdom Steps Up Aid, Opposition Members Say; Amman Denies Connection
By NOUR MALAS And MARGARET COKER

AMMAN, Jordan—Jordan has stepped up its support for neighboring Syria’s political and military opposition, including allowing some light arms to flow across the border, according to Syrian rebels and an Arab official familiar with the operation.

Several shipments of arms—including assault rifles, Russian-designed antitank missiles and ammunition—have been delivered to the border in Jordanian military trucks and then taken into Syria by rebel brigades, according to Syrian rebel fighters. Dozens of other shipments have been smuggled to Syria with the covert support of Jordanian border officials, these people say. Saudi Arabia and Qatar pay for these arms and transport them to Jordan, say rebel fighters based along the Syria-Jordan border and a person involved in arms procurement for the rebels….

The Syrian groups receiving arms from the Jordanian border are now connected to the military councils that have been vetted by Washington and others, say people involved in the transaction.
Some of the light weapons said to be entering Syria through Jordan are destined for the southern Syrian border town of Dera’a, where the popular uprising kicked off last year. Most of the arms, though, were pushed north to the suburbs of Damascus, 60 miles north, in possible preparation for a push on the capital, according to rebel leaders.

I was born here and I will die here

Mr Assad also rejected calls that he seek a safe exit, vowing he would “live and die in Syria”. “I am not a puppet…. I am Syrian and I must live and die in Syria,” Assad, who is facing a nearly 20-month revolt against his rule, told Russian Arabic-language channel Rusiya Al-Yaum.

Prime Minister David Cameron this week floated the idea of granting Mr Assad safe passage from the country, saying it “could be arranged” though he wanted the Syrian leader to face international justice. Mr Assad also warned against a foreign intervention to deal with Syria’s escalating conflict, saying such a move would have “global consequences” and shake regional stability.

Missteps by Rebels Erode Their Support Among Syrians
By Anne Barnard | The New York Times

The Syrian public is increasingly disgusted with the actions of some rebels, including poorly planned missions, senseless destruction, criminal behavior and the coldblooded killing of prisoners.

Post Election, Obama Gambles on Syrian Rebels
Nov 10, 2012- DailyBeast, Michael G

The U.S. has made its boldest move yet on Syria to date, pushing to create a new and better opposition that it can trust—and that it hopes Syrians will too.

In the wake of Barack Obama’s reelection, the United States has decided to take what seasoned observers call its boldest move yet in the conflict in Syria. In Doha this week—the elegant seaside capital of Qatar, the tiny Persian Gulf nation ranked as the world’s wealthiest by Forbes—America, in collaboration with its Qatari ally, is trying to shape a better and more credible opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, following more than a year of infighting between Syria’s notoriously fractious and ineffective resistance.

Wading so directly into Syria’s bloody conflict is fraught with pitfalls for the U.S. government. “It’s a gamble by the State Department to stake such a strong claim in efforts to restructure the opposition,” says Steven Heydemann of the United States Institute for Peace, who has tracked the conflict from the start and who has been part of transition talks with Syrian opposition members. “I think it was a dramatic and risky move. If it works, it will be seen as having been a stroke of diplomatic genius.”

In London, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said talks with rebel military leaders would not involve advice on military tactics or support for their operations. Hague also insisted that Britain would not consider offering weapons to Assad’s opponents.

Syria: leader of rebels warns they might ‘turn into terrorists’
The leader of the Free Syrian Army has called on the outside world to back the rebels before they all “turn into terrorists”.
Syria: leader of rebels warns they might ‘turn into terrorists’
By Richard Spencer, Idlib Province, Syria, and Ruth Sherlock in Doha, 09 Nov 2012

In an interview with The Daily Telegraph in his base in rebel-occupied Syria, Gen. Mustafa al-Sheikh unveiled a new leadership of the Higher Military Council of the FSA, which he heads.

He also said he welcomed David Cameron’s decision to engage with the rebels and even consider organising arms supplies, but he added that war was spreading to surrounding countries, the rebels were fractured and speed was of the essence.

“If there’s no quick decision to support us, we will all turn into terrorists,” he said. “If you apply the pressure that’s been applied to Syria, it will explode in all directions. Terrorism will grow quickly.”

Gen Sheikh was the first of a number of regime army generals to defect to the rebels, joining Col Riad al-Assad at the head of the FSA. The rebels fighting the battles on the ground though are not only divided among themselves but often refuse to recognise his leadership.

Aware that this is a major reason for the reluctance of Western powers to arm them or encourage their Middle Eastern allies to supply rebel forces, on Friday announced a new unified command structure, dividing Syria into five commands each with a defected general at its head.

Assad says only ‘ballot box’ can decide his future
Khaleej Times – 10 November, 2012

Syrian President Bashar Al Assad said his future could only be decided through the ballot box, in an interview with Russian television where he warned the country could face a protracted war.

Assad told Russia Today that whether the president can “stay or leave” is a “popular issue” and “the only way (it) can be done (is) through the ballot boxes”. He denied Syria was in “civil war” but said the conflict with rebels could be “a long-term war” if they continued to receive support from abroad.

Syria in Ruins
Nov 8, 2012 |

While much recent media attention has been focused on Hurricane Sandy and America’s presidential election, Syria’s horrific civil war continues. In some places, it has worsened. Aerial bombardment of civilian neighborhoods, deadly sniper fire, brutal street fighting, assassinations, and summary executions have become the norm in Syria. Cease-fire agreements have collapsed, rebel forces remain disorganized, foreign intervention is still hamstrung, and no path to peace appears to be forming yet. Britain is now reportedly looking for options to circumvent an arms embargo in order to supply rebels with weaponry. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad remains defiant, stating in an interview with Russia Today that he planned “live and die in Syria,” adding, “I am tougher than Gaddafi.” Collected here are images of this bloody conflict from just the past few weeks. [48 photos]

Beware of the Islamist Trap
By Monte Palmer

Speaking Freely is an Asia Times Online feature that allows guest writers to have their say. Please click here if you are interested in contributing.

Islamists, judging by the use of the term in the global press, is a simplified way of referring to all Muslim groups seeking some form of Islamic rule in the Middle East.

Like most simplistic expressions, “Islamist,” is laden with hidden traps. The first Islamist trap is believing that all Muslim groups seeking some form of Islamic rule in the Middle East are of one mind and body. They are not. The second Islamist trap is assuming that all groups seeking some form of Islamist rule are inherently hostile to the interests of the United States and its allies. Some are, and some are not. The third Islamist trap is thinking that the US and its allies can stop the Islamist surge now sweeping the Middle East by diplomacy, sanctions, and covert action. The verdict on this supposition has yet to be rendered, but the outlook is not promising. The fourth and most lethal Islamist trap is the belief that force alone can stop the Islamists. Iraq and Afghanistan suggest otherwise.

The dangers of assuming that all Islamists are the same is easily illustrated by a brief review of the four main Sunni Islamist currents competing for control of the Middle East.

Islam lite
The most liberal of the four main Islamist currents is Islam Lite, the sarcastic Turkish nickname for the Justice and Development Party that has ruled Turkey within a secular framework for more than a decade. Islam Lite, the most forward looking of the four Islamic currents, has built Turkey into the world’s seventeenth largest economy, consolidated Turkish democracy, brought Turkey to the doorstep of membership in the European Union, reaffirmed Turkey membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and established Turkey as the dominant Muslim power in the Middle East and beyond.

This is not to deny that the Justice and Development Party does have an Islamic agenda that seeks to create a more Islamic state in Turkey and the Arab world. At the domestic level, the Justice and Development Party has implemented sweeping Islamic reforms that promote veiling (head scarfs), prayer in schools, and other Islamic practices outlawed by Turkey’s revolutionary leaders in the aftermath of World War I. While these Islamic reforms are hardly earth shaking, seculars worry that they are but the first step in the Party’s much deeper Islamic agenda.

At the regional and international levels, the Justice and Development Party’s Islamic agenda includes support for Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt, Tunisia, and the Gaza Strip. It also calls for an independent Palestinian state in the Occupied Territories. All have soured Turkey’s relations with Israel, but war between the two former allies is not in the picture.

Partnership with the US and EU is an essential component of Islam Lite. Subservience is not. Some observers accuse Turkey of using Islam to extend its regional influence. The Israelis, by contrast, worry that Turkey will use its military power to extend its Islamic reach.

While neither thought can be discounted, the Islamic Lite model practiced in Turkey does demonstrate that moderate Islamic rule is compatible with democracy and development. Much like Turkey itself, the Justice and Development Party provides an avenue for cooperation and dialogue between the West and Muslim currents throughout the Middle East.

Things, however, may not be as simple as they seem. The Turkish model is deeply rooted in Turkish history and culture and may not be exportable to either the Arab world or the Islamic regions of Central Asia. Also problematic is the weakness of Islamic Lite currents in other areas of the Middle East, All, with rare exceptions lack a firm organizational network and their popular support base pales in comparison to those of the Muslim Brotherhood and even the more extremist Salafis.

The Muslim Brotherhood
Next in the hierarchy of religious extremism comes the Muslim Brotherhood, the world’s largest and most powerful Islamic organization. The Brotherhood now rules in Egypt and Tunisia and exercises profound influence throughout the region. The name may differ from place to place, but they are all Brotherhood offshoots…..

Syria border fighting sends 8,000 fleeing to Turkey
The total of 11,000 who fled the country in 24 hours is one of the largest since the Syrian conflict began, underscoring the crisis for civilians.

Video of TNT bomb being dumped of the back of a helicopter in Syria.

New Jihadi Group, Liwa Al-Mujahideen, Established In Syria
Three video clips pertaining to a new jihadi group in Syria, Liwa Al-Mujahideen, were circulated on YouTube during October 2012. The first was an announcement of the group’s establishment; in the second, the group’s commander explained its raison d’etre; and in the third, the group announced that it had formed the Al-Sahaba Battalion, which would operate in the rural region around Damascus.

L’inversement des rôles entre Damas et Téhéran
BY wassim NASR in (L’Express)  shift of roles between Damascus and Tehran :

 

 

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201. Syrialover said:

AMJAD, Are you a potential rebuilding technocrat? (ref #193)

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November 13th, 2012, 7:03 am

 

202. mjabali said:

Amjad of Arabia:

Your sect did damage from the moment it came into being till now.
Let us say from around the tenth or eleventh C. till now, and of course to the future. That is about one thousand years and counting of hostile ideology that is ready to pounce and make the other disappear. To debate that against Hilter does not make any sense to me. Let us put it against other religious ideologies.

I like to concentrate NOW on one topic, which is: What do you think if you we ask a Sheikh in Saudi Arabia about what he thinks of your Dick as the 6th pillar of Islam and that it should be worshiped?

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November 13th, 2012, 7:04 am

 

203. Amjad of Arabia said:

“My graph is so spot on that I intend to repost it regularly.”

Just like a menhebakji zealot. When the facts don’t go his way, he ignores the facts. He will print out that graph and put it under his pillow when he sleeps, anything to deny he was wrong, wrong, wrooooooong.

79.6%. Terrible, dreadful. Shameful even. The prethident’s sister pleasuring the Emirati pillars just so she can flee Syria. Terrible, horrible. More Gulf women athletes at London 2012 than the Baathists. How sad.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:05 am

 

204. Amjad of Arabia said:

“Let us say from around the tenth or eleventh C. till now, and of course to the future.”

Uh, no wonder you have a massive chip on your shoulder. The so called injustices of the past not enough, you have to obsess over imagined ones in the future too.

“hat do you think if you we ask a Sheikh in Saudi Arabia about what he thinks of your Dick as the 6th pillar of Islam and that it should be worshiped?”

And what part of “be my quest, please ask the sheikhs” did you not understand? Dude, why haven’t you sent an email already or whined to the satellite channels? Yallah, shoo, go and whine to the sheikhs. And make sure you get the twitter user right @sixthpillar

Geesh, do I have to dig up some sheikh’s email for you as well?

And I’ll ask you every week whether you’ve bought up my mighty and thick girthy pillar yet with any sheikh. I imagine it will be a favorite discussion of yours :)

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November 13th, 2012, 7:10 am

 

205. Amjad of Arabia said:

Syrialover

“AMJAD, Are you a potential rebuilding technocrat?”

No. Leadership roles and the building of Syria must be given first to those who stayed behind, better persons than me. I however, will clean out the weeds and burn the trash, so these magnificent people will have a fresh, new start, without needing to get their hands dirty. Someone has to exterminate the vermin and cockroaches, so that a house can be remodeled.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:13 am

 

206. mjabali said:

Amjad of Arabia al-Munafiq:

So calling someone a Nawari is a diss for you. heheeeeheeee haaa huuu heeeee

I know that you are not a full Syrian, probably half. I think your mother is non-Syrian. It is obvious from the way you speak that you did not get any real Syrian rearing at your house to begin with. tsk tsk tsk….

Dude answer first to why you insulted Islam and Muslims by claiming that your dick should be worshiped and it it the 6th pillar of Islam?

Answer ya munafiq?

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November 13th, 2012, 7:14 am

 

207. Amjad of Arabia said:

“Dude answer first to why you insulted Islam and Muslims by claiming that your dick should be worshiped and it it the 6th pillar of Islam?”

Go on, tell the sheikhs in Saudi that a guy in Saudi “insulted” Islam. Show them my twitter user @sixthpillar even :) You people obsess over Adnan Arour so much I imagine you are on his Facebook page and have his phone number.

“It is obvious from the way you speak that you did not get any real Syrian rearing at your house to begin with”

Said the nawari who has never been to Syria in God alone knows how long, and whose entire repository of insults consists of “munafiq”.

Pillars, they keep up structures and when wielded, can crush Islamophobes :) Mine is mighty indeed.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:21 am

 

208. Amjad of Arabia said:

“I know that you are not a full Syrian, probably half. I think your mother is non-Syrian.”

Well, that’s progress at least. Before, the menhebakjis like Mjabali were screaming that I was obviously based in New York/Washington/London/Tel Aviv (all at the same time). They refused to believe I had ever been to Syria. The nawari of ill-defined parentage at least allowing for the possibility that I am half Syrian is the equivalent of him saying “I love you man, let me fondle your pillar”.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:25 am

 

209. Syrialover said:

AMJAD,

Time for more talk of here and now.

Focusing on technocrats and rebuilding and including Allawites in the coalition.

Whatever helps to get help for my heroes the FSA to get over the line.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:31 am

 

210. Amjad of Arabia said:

SyriaLover

“Focusing on technocrats and rebuilding and including Allawites in the coalition.”

If you can find any Alawites worthy to share in a free Syria, be my guest. I’ve stopped looking, and will assume that every Alawite is an informer and shabih who has sold out his country to the Ayatollahs, unless proven otherwise.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:35 am

 

211. Syrialover said:

AMJAD #206

You could start with Samar Yazbek (Alawite writer persecuted by regime). I’m sure she could advise.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:41 am

 

212. Amjad of Arabia said:

“Christians in Syria, Separating Truth from Fiction”

http://henryjacksonsociety.org/2012/11/13/christians-in-syria-separating-fact-from-fiction/

“Thought to comprise approximately 10 per cent of Syria’s population – with a variety of sects, including Greek Orthodox, Melkite Greek Catholics, Syriac Orthodox, Armenians, Maronites, Chaldeans, and Assyrians – the Christian community of Syria has been the subject of considerable media attention ever since unrest arose against the regime of Bashar al-Assad in March 2011.

However, rather than looking at claims of incidents of anti-Christian violence and trying to verify them, articles have generally repeated the obvious point that there are concerns that the same fate could befall Syrian Christians, as with the numerous incidents of persecution of Iraqi Christians by Islamic militants and, further, as with the outflow of hundreds of thousands of Christians from the country since 2003.

So, what are the main stories of the persecution of Christians in Syria? And, further to this, how can they be verified?

In this timely new report, Middle East analyst Aymenn Jawad al-Tamimi separates the facts of Christian suffering in Syria from the propaganda originating from pro-Assad media outlets.”

“You could start with Samar Yazbek”

Yes, Miss Yazbek has been pointed out to me numerous times. I’ve gotten around that niggling little inconsistency by saying we will be offering her Homsi citizenship. There, see, I no longer have to distinguish between “good” Qurdahans or bad ones, since all the good ones will be elevated to Homsihood.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:47 am

 

213. Dolly Buster said:

179. MarigoldRan said:

• BOTH sides have relied heavily on foreign support to continue fighting. Regime propaganda about the opposition receiving foreign support is disingenuous because the regime has received much more in terms of money and weapons. ••
 

Yeah but, their response would be that they are the Official syrian government, while the insurgents are outlaws and bandits.

There is a lack of a real World Order. We have no clear rules. When you have no rules, you can’t proceed towards meaningful content.

For example:
If people disagree on units of length, they can’t discuss lengths.
If people disagree on the meaning of words, they can’t have a talk.
If people disagree on the principles of global governance, then the world doesn’t move forward like it should.

Currently you have 2 totalitarian states blocking the Security Council, and 3 democratic states trying to get things done.

Syria is stuck because of this unresolved global issue. So the best solution is military action to clarify who the sole Superpower is.

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November 13th, 2012, 7:53 am

 

214. Amjad of Arabia said:

Look what I found on Wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

Xi Jinping, China’s vice president and candidate for the top leadership position which comes up in 2 days time, has a daughter who studies at…wait for….Harvard University

Har har har har har. America is in demise Mr 79.6% Al-Bong? Har har har, no university good enough for the children of Chinese leaders? Its not like she is doing advanced studies there, she enrolled as a *freshman*. Didn’t you say that education is the end-all indicator of how well a society does? Here, have a shovel to dig yourself out of this one :)

Now you know why I’m a living legend :)

(in case the menhebakjis haven’t heard of Harvard, it’s a university in the USA, the country supposedly on its way to “demise” har har har)

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November 13th, 2012, 8:18 am

 

215. mjabali said:

Amjad of Arabia al-Munafiq:

I had many names for you, as you know. My favorite these days are:

Corporal Har Har, and al-Munafiq.

But al-Munafiq is suitable, because I detect your nifaq and expose it.

Still can not believe a religious figure like you utter a diss to Islam like that. You went to Hajj twice and insult Islam like this. Talking about knowing your religion!!! tsk tsk tsk

Dude, you showed more disrespect to Islam than what Warren could do in a life time.

You insulted Islam, and did not even stop, and kept going. Wow.. Dude remember that you live in Saudi Arabia…

Man up and ask for forgiveness from Allah al-3Allayu al-3azeem.

As for calling people Nawaris: that is one racist rant har har har.

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November 13th, 2012, 8:21 am

 

216. Albo said:

199. AMJAD

Just like a menhebakji zealot. When the facts don’t go his way, he ignores the facts. He will print out that graph and put it under his pillow when he sleeps, anything to deny he was wrong, wrong, wrooooooong.

79.6%. Terrible, dreadful. Shameful even. If you have a farm full of animals you could have taught more of them to read after 40 years.

Ok. Let’s have a closer look at that. Let’s check your source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
The figures are taken from the CIA world factbook.
First mistake: the dates of the data differ
Qatar, KSA figures are from 2010
The Syrian figure date from 2004

It matters more than you think. I searched for another source to have more recent numbers. The World Bank provided me with a figure for the year 2009: 84% of adults above age 15 in Syria can read (same age criterion in your stats).

It’s getting very close to Saudi 86,6%, even the error margin may cover the difference. But that’s not my point. Your point was that Syria hasn’t achieved universal literacy (or close), and that it’s the regime’s fault. Okay. Did it occur to you that universal primary education is often recent in developing countries? That for that reason, the literacy rates of adults can be low and that you have to wait for the younger generations to replace them? Let’s verify in Syria. The World Bank give numbers for the percentage of primary school enrollment, starting in 1980. In Syria, in percents:

1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 …
95 96 97 98 100

2007 2008 2009 2010
113 114 115 118

As we can see, universal education was achieved only under the regime. So you made an *ss of yourself once again. You may enquire, why the figures above 100, well it accounts for those who repeat their years, you must know as that must have been needed in your case, hehe.

Second mistake:
Your numbers about Gulf countries aren’t that brillant, and don’t help your case. 86.6% 96.3 % 93.3 % 92.6 % ?
Most advanced countries, some with GDP/head quite lower than your beloved Khalijis, do better and are at 99% on your list. Many commie and ex-commie countries as well, despite being much much poorer.
Korea, North 99%
Turkmenistan 98.8%
Albania 98.7%
Kyrgyzstan 98.7%
Mongolia 97.4%

See? Mongolia says hello. Communist countries excepted, what determines the level of literacy is the level of economic development. In the case of Syria, given its economic level, education policies were good by world standards. However, Gulf countries are sub-par. So you shot yourself in the foot here.

Last mistake: I have been very nice to remediate your lack of education and reasoning skills with all that, but you were completely off topic. The PISA scores I posted are for 15 years old, well past the age when they are taught to read. It’s about testing more advanced skills in maths, science, and reading comprehension (on that one, you’d have scored terribly as we saw).
The exercises are available online, they go from simple to rather complex, typically the harder ones are only solved by a small percentage of the students.

It never was about literacy. Kyrgyztan with its very high literacy, isn’t well known for its scientific patents, advanced tech? Right? The PISA data shows which countries have the best performing student in secondary schools, which predicts their future success in teriary education, then their subsequent ability to master complex professions and introduce innovations that will benefit their economy. This is why it is an excellent tool to predict future development, largely quoted by economists. It’s because of such data that they estimate the Chinese “human capital” to be much better than the Brazilian or Indian, and thus predict better prospects for the Chinese economy.

Capish? The Arabs used to have great sciences and technologies, but the Gulfies are lazy bums artificially turned rich. Their economy aren’t classified as advanced despite all their wealth. They are spreading ignorance and retard ideology to the wider arab and islamic world, and people like them are the reason why the ancient scientific prowess of Arabs and Muslims came to a halt, because they replaced it by sterile bigotry.

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November 13th, 2012, 8:49 am

 

217. Albo said:

The world bank source I quoted to see the figures year by year
Ooops, edit: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.ENRR/countries/SY-XQ-XN?display=default

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November 13th, 2012, 8:54 am

 

218. Amjad of Arabia said:

Al-Bong, congratulations, even the figures you mentioned give a mere 84% literacy for Syria, still pathetic even by regional standards. Do you think 84% is something to brag about after 40 years of one party rule? (probably inflated anyway, the way things work in Syria)

Saudi Arabia 86%

Jordan, 92%

Lebanon, 90%

Bahrain, 91%

Qatar, 95%

Kuwait, 94%

See, it’s not just the GCC that has done better than your Baathist paradise.

“The Arabs used to have great sciences and technologies, but the Gulfies are lazy bums artificially turned rich”

And yet in the basic test of who can read and write, they did better than anything your Baathist ever managed to achieve. Bringing up communist countries as a comparison is feeble, since it just shows that North Korea, the hermit kingdom, has done better than the state the Baathists built. It is a desperate comparison by a stoner who has dug himself into a ditch, and is oblivious to the fact that he is still shoveling downwards. 84% ya primitive inta? That’s something to brag about? Only someone with no shame would call countries with better literacy rates as “backwards”.

And trying to excuse Syria’s educational standards with its economic primitiveness sis the height of pathetic; who was responsible for Syria’s crappy economy over the past 40 years? Jordan and Lebanon have had greater obstacles to development, and yet Im sure those nationals are thanking heavens everyday they didn’t study at Baathist schools.

Apparently, you can take the Qurdahan out of the sh*t, but you can’t take the sh*t out of the Qurdahan.

“You insulted Islam, and did not even stop, and kept going. Wow.. Dude remember that you live in Saudi Arabia… ”

What happened to calling up sheikhs? I thought you’d be on the phone to all the satellite channels by now. Dude, don’t ever throw down a challenge you can’t meet, you will be haunted for it forever. Qurdahans, the gift that keep on giving. I’ll remind you about your spineless backing down every time I see you on :)

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November 13th, 2012, 9:29 am

 

219. Amjad of Arabia said:

Let’s look at some other figures from the source Al-Bong provided;

The under 5 mortality rate (per thousand)

Syria, 15.

Kuwait, 11.

Saudi Arabia, 9.

Lebanon, 9.

Qatar, 8

So, apparently Al-bong provided one source saying that a higher percentage of Syrians are in schools than the GCC, and yet the literacy rate for GCC populations are higher than Syria. What does that tell you? Any intelligent person doing proper analysis will tell you that that means that Baathist schools suck. How can so much of the population go through an educational system that turns out such an atrocious literacy rate? And having a higher rate of students repeat their years is not really something to brag about, which explains the 104% rate.

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November 13th, 2012, 9:37 am

 

220. Amjad of Arabia said:

*Your comment is awaiting moderation.*

Al-Bong, you did get the post where I showed that China’s VP has a daughter that studies in Harvard? Just wanted to rub it in again, hehehehe :)

And your figures for the Gulf are wrong. Made up in fact. This is what you said

“Your numbers about Gulf countries aren’t that brillant, and don’t help your case. 86.6% 96.3 % 93.3 % 92.6 % ?”

Now here is the link;

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.ENRR/countries/SY-XQ-XN?display=default

“School enrollment, primary”

Saudi Arabia, 106

Most recent for Kuwait, 106

Lebanon 105

Oman 105

No figures for Bahrain or the UAE, so you got the numbers you quoted out of your butt :)

Seriously, why do you make up numbers when you know it’s so easy for someone to double check? Dude, that’s so pathetic. Stop twisting in the wind, it’s embarrassing to watch your stoner addled excuse for a brain try to excuse your prethident’s failures.

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November 13th, 2012, 9:49 am

 

221. Albo said:

So let’s leave it here. I trashed your example, and what are you doing Amjad? More diversions. I linked the literacy rate to the level of wealth. You dind’t take note.

I explained you why literacy isn’t relevant anyway.
And we weren’t talking of children mortality.

As for Xi Jinping’s daughter, good for her. Know your enemy, they say :) He himself went to the US 30 years ago with a delegation to study agricultural technics. Since then the Chinese have learnt a lot more, not just agriculture, but how to build nuclear plants for example. (from the French in this case). Now they are building 150 reactors on their own. That’s how you develop a country without oil.

This is hardly unusual for future politicians or the children of head of states to visit and study foreign countries. Most presidents in my country did it too. Of course Harvard is still the best University out there. Who told you otherwise?

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November 13th, 2012, 10:02 am

 

222. Amjad of Arabia said:

Al-bong

“That for that reason, the literacy rates of adults can be low and that you have to wait for the younger generations to replace them?”

Your words, not mine. Now let’s see how fast you can move the goal posts, stoner boy.

Literacy rate, youth total (% of people ages 15-24)

Syria, 94%

Bahrain, 100%

Qatar 98%

Saudi Arabia 98%

Jordan 99%

Lebanon 99%

Even compared to neighboring countries, the Baathists have done pitifully. Each percentage point that can’t read and write in Syria represents untold thousands of wasted lives and potential. But apparently, it’s good enough for the stoner menhebakjis. I ask again, did Charlie Sheen teach you people the definition of winning? No wonder the country is in revolt.

How can anyone call the GCC primitive, and not die of shame? On every basis and measurable metric, the GCC have come out very favorably compared to the society that Baathism built, or failed to. It’s no wonder thousands of people worldwide line up at GCC embassies for visas (among them Besho’s sister, sister-Batta), and yet Al-Bong and Mjabali-I-suddenly-dont-know-what-Aror’s-Channel-Is arent among those desperate to come back to their Baathist paradise. Terrible, truly terrible.

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November 13th, 2012, 10:03 am

 

223. albo said:

216

**Facepalm**

Those figures 86.6% 96.3 % 93.3 % 92.6 % I took them from your post, they are the adult literacy rates.
Not the same as primary school enrollment. Do you want me to draw you a picture so that you finally understand?

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November 13th, 2012, 10:05 am

 

224. Albo said:

“Literacy rate, youth total (% of people ages 15-24)

Syria, 94%

Bahrain, 100%

Qatar 98%

Saudi Arabia 98%

Jordan 99%

Lebanon 99%

Irrelevant and not very significant. More diversion, stop smoking the bong Amjad, it kills your brain cells (literally).

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November 13th, 2012, 10:09 am

 

225. Visitor said:

You should know by now that skin head neo-nazi Albo is also an ‘accomplished’ numerologist. He is so proud of his numbers, and you better dare not ignore them or challenge them.

He is applying for a Phd. in numerology from Nuremberg.

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November 13th, 2012, 10:09 am

 

226. Amjad of Arabia said:

“Know your enemy, they say”

Pffftttt, is that the excuse you are going with? Seriously? It had been better if you’d ignored the point altogether. Chinese going to study in the USA at such a young age aren’t going there to fight America, they are going there to become Americans. By the time they come back to China, thousands of years of Chinese culture will be replaced by a love for Lady Gaga. Heck, even Gangnam Style was Korean made famous by Youtube hehehehehe.

” I linked the literacy rate to the level of wealth”

Erroneous, and just stating a speculation is not proof of it, no matter how much you desperately need it to be so. In every single metric you care to mention, the Gulf are not the backwards primitive your low and fragile self esteem so desperately need to believe they are. But if that’s the case, bring back sister-Batta from Dubai to the Baathist paradise :)

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November 13th, 2012, 10:10 am

 

227. Albo said:

221 Salafi

Jawohl mein führer!

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November 13th, 2012, 10:15 am

 

228. Amjad of Arabia said:

” I took them from your post, they are the adult literacy rates.”

And now you can’t even cite sources properly? Dude, I hope you didn’t sit for that test you keep going on about, you’d have taken down the average of the whole planet.

That was very sloppy of you, very very sloppy. You take the figures from one source, and compare them against the figures from another source. That is not how research is done, nor how any intelligent person presents “proof”. If Professor Landis’ students had gone about presenting papers the same way you just did (“uh, you know the inconvenient point that disproves my speculation? Ignore it, it isn’t relevant) they would have gone straight to academic probation.

Less bong for the rest of the semester, and maybe you’ll be ready to debate with the adults. Because right now all I see is a whiny little kid who keeps moving the goalposts anytime an inconvenient fact gets in his way.

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November 13th, 2012, 10:16 am

 

229. Amjad of Arabia said:

” stop smoking the bong Amjad”

Muwaaaaahaahah! You know you hurt them when they try to use your own put downs against you :) Deliciouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!

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November 13th, 2012, 10:19 am

 

230. Albo said:

**second facepalm**

“You take the figures from one source, and compare them against the figures from another source”
I compared them in the second point to the rates of other countries, within the same data subset. In the case of Syria, the absence of a more recent source required it, and I mentioned what I did.

As for the literacy rates being correlated to the level of income, it’s so obvious that I don’t know how you can come up with such stupid responses. For a start, look at the rankings you brought up (with the caveat of ex-socialist countries I mentioned).
I figure that you need to set your own pace, may be in a few days you will finally assimilate all the content of my post.

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November 13th, 2012, 10:28 am

 

231. Amjad of Arabia said:

Maybe if I make Al-Bong facepalm himself enough times, he will knock himself out and his system can recover from all the “herbs”

“I compared them in the second point to the rates of other countries, within the same data subset. In the case of Syria, the absence of a more recent source required it, and I mentioned what I did.”

Dude, either read this slowly or have someone read it to you.

1) The data for literacy from Wikipedia shows a higher level of literacy in the Gulf than in Syria for ANY year you care to mention.

2) The same higher levels of Gulf,Jordanian and Lebanese literacy is observed in the World Bank data set you relied on.

3) In every other metric I mentioned, not only the Gulf but Jordan and Lebanon come out ahead of Syria. Jordan and Lebanon do not have oil, they had bigger obstacles to development than Syria (but apparently having a Baathist regime for 40 years is the biggest obstacle)

4) The ONLY numbers that you seem to take pride in are percentage of students enrolled in primary education. In what menhebakji neo-Nazi bong filled world can that metric possibly be more important than the end result, ie literacy? China turns out more engineers than the USA, but not a single Chinese university is in the top tier of universities world wide (as proven by the fact that the daughter of the Chinese VP is studying at Harvard).

Do you know why Syria has 118 percent? Because of a much higher failure rate for students. In the end, schools are crammed to little effect. THAT is how you interpret numbers.

Not only do the Gulf do better in education, but the menhebakjis cant even spin the numbers they insist show otherwise. Dude, go create more hurricanes inbetween bong hits.

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November 13th, 2012, 11:19 am

 

232. Albo said:

You’re such a waste of time, it’s like I’m speaking to a hyperactive 6 year old who can’t concentrate and stay on his desk.

I mean, anyone who read that exchange have seen how many mistaken remarks you made and how you mischaracterized just every point I made on several posts. You really have comprehension problems and provided a hard proof here, for everyone to see.

I’m not ready to debate someone who needs several repetition of an argument to finally get it. As for your last revised post, it’s better, at last, but it’s still made up of diversions and off-subject comments. So I won’t bother. I know you’re an excited chap who needs to insult folks on the internet, I have limited patience for such teenage activities but I’ll reciprocate when I feel like it. If that’s how you like to spend your time.

Needless to say, Joshua will probably bring back a moderator because you and visitor can’t behave, otherwise his blog will go extinct, so you two enjoy your free ride until that happens.

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November 13th, 2012, 11:44 am

 

233. habib said:

Lol at the language used here these days.

Please everybody, shut the fuck up!

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November 13th, 2012, 12:19 pm

 

234. Amjad of Arabia said:

“Joshua will probably bring back a moderator because you and visitor can’t behave, otherwise his blog will go extinct, so you two enjoy your free ride until that happens.”

Believe me, Syria Comment has survived much worse than this. You think I’m being too hard on you, Bong-Boi? You are still new, you have not seen me at my most active by any means. I am a one-man media department. Well, that’s what they called me over the Guardian’s comment section. Hehehehe.

“I know you’re an excited chap who needs to insult folks on the internet”

I live off the tears of white supremacists, Islamophobes and menhebakjis. I never go hungry. Mmmmmmmm…….

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November 13th, 2012, 1:02 pm

 

235. Albo said:

Habib, what can I say, you’re right.

230
Nope you’re a good entertainment for rainy days, ya shawi.
I for one am looking forward to see you reach new lows, that must be something to behold.

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November 13th, 2012, 1:12 pm

 

236. Warren said:

ALBO # 228

I’m amazed you spent so much time trying to reason with the salafi catamite: he’s a complete idiot and clown.

You can’t “win” a debate with arrogant ignoramuses like the 2 salafis; Vatty & the catamite.

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November 13th, 2012, 1:31 pm

 

237. Warren said:

UAE places restrictions on online dissent

The United Arab Emirates has tightened its law on internet use, making it a criminal offence to mock its rulers or organise unauthorised demonstrations.

A presidential decree says anyone who creates or runs a website or uses the internet to deride or damage the state or its institutions faces imprisonment.

The institutions include the rulers and senior officials across the federation of seven semi-autonomous Gulf emirates.

Activists have criticised the move as an attempt to limit freedom of speech.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20317803

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November 13th, 2012, 1:33 pm

 

238. Warren said:

Abu Qatada release: Cameron ‘fed up’

Prime Minister David Cameron says he is “completely fed up” about the release on bail of Abu Qatada after the Muslim cleric won his deportation appeal.

Abu Qatada was earlier freed from prison after a UK court ruled he might not get a fair trial if deported to Jordan to face bomb plot charges.

Mr Cameron said ministers had “moved heaven and earth” to try to deport him and would continue to do so.

Labour said people would be “horrified” and urged ministers to act quickly.

Mr Cameron told BBC News: “I am completely fed up with the fact this man is still at large in our country, he has no right to be there, we believe he’s a threat to our country

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20315479

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November 13th, 2012, 1:34 pm

 

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