News Round Up (28 May 2007)

I am heading for Syria tomorrow, where I will spend June and July. I hope to continue blogging from Damascus and other Syrian cities.

This news roundup covers mostly the accusations that Syria is behind the Fatah al-Islam disturbances and the articles covering Syria's elections. It also covers diverse stories concerning Syria.

One reader wants to know if I think Syria is behind the Fatah al-Islam Group. I don't know. The two most repeated arguments made by the Lebanese that Syria is giving directives to the Sunni extremist group holed up in the norther Palestinian refugee camp are that its leader, Shaker al-Absi, was held in a Syrian prison before being released two and a half years ago and thus may have been recruited to Syria's cause while in Prison. The Lebanese point to the fact that he was not turned over to Jordan, where he was wanted, but allowed to return to his previous home in Lebanon, where he rejoined a pro-Syrian faction of Palestinians, Fatah Intifada, with whom he had trained in his youth.

The plot becomes truly bizarre and difficult to fathom, when Absi broke away from Fatah Intifada to create his own group, Fatah Islam. Lebanese analysts claim this is presumably because he was directed to "pretend" to do this in order to add an extra layer of deniability and distance himself from Syria before entering on his suicide campaign on Syria's behalf.

The second argument is that the fighting comes only days before the UN Security Council is scheduled to vote on a resolution to establish an international tribunal to try suspects in the murder of Rafiq al-Hariri and has been timed by Syria to frighten Lebanese into calling off the vote.

It is not clear why Abssi would work for Syria, a country that jailed him and which is responsible for killing his son-in-law.

There are a number of reasons why Syria might have neglected to turn Abssi over to Jordan and instead allow him to return to Lebanon.

1. Syria had terrible relations with both the US and Jordan at the time of Abssi's release from prison in Syria, thus Damascus authorities would not have wanted to reward either country. Syria had broken off all cooperation on intelligence sharing with the US on al-Qaida matters by that time.

2. Syria may have been happy to allow al-Qaida elements entrance into Lebanon because of the bad relations existing between the two countries following the Hariri murder and the passage of UN resolution 1559. Neither of these reasons would suggest that Abssi is or was controlled by Syria. It is hard to imagine how Syria could control such a man or such an organization of die hard jihadists. It is also not clear that either Jordan or the US tried to extradite him from Lebanon, despite knowing that he was there and within reach of Lebanese security forces.

The following 3 quotes are from the last comment section 

K said:

Prof Landis,

You do not give justice to the argument that Syria is behind Fatah al-Islam. Please be fair.

How about the fact that the leader of the gang was imprisoned in Syria for terrorism then mysteriously released after a couple of years behind bars. (Nonviolent Islamists, Kurds, and human rights lawyers all receive harsher sentences – but the convicted terrorist walks?) Then he pops up in Lebanon!

The multinational composition of the gang is no argument against Syrian involvement. The al-Qa’ida and Syrian connections are not mutually exclusive. Think of the links between Syria and the Iraqi terror campaign. The individual terrorists themselves are die-hard jihadists, and somewhere up the chain of command, is a Syrian intelligence agent. Syria doesn’t need to give them instructions, all it has to do is control their movement, let them into Lebanon, as it lets them into Iraq. In fact, many of these thugs are veterans of Iraq. They entered Iraq through Syria, and they have now passed from Iraq to Lebanon – through Syria!

Even though they are supposedly anti-Shi’a (”supported by Hariri as a counterweight to Hizballa” goes the lie) they have never attacked a Shi’a target. They attacked March 14 strongholds: Ain Alaq, (Christian), Ashrafieh (Christian), Verdun (Sunni), Aley (Druze).

This is in a larger context. The UNSC is discussing Chapter 7, and Bashar threatened to set the Mideast afire if the resolution passes.

T_desco said: Edit

Sloppy work by Mitchell Prothero:

“After Syria released from prison a former associate of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al-Qaeda’s leader in Iraq, a few weeks later (sic) a group calling itself Fatah al-Islam emerged under his leadership … .”
The Observer

(my emphasis)

Now this is what Shaker al-Absi’s brother Abdelrazzaq, “an orthopedic surgeon who lives in Jordan”, told AFP in a telephone interview:

“”I last saw him two and a half years ago when he was released from prison in Syria. We went there to congratulate him,” he said.”
AFP

And we also know that al-Absi arrived in Shatila in June.

idaf said:

Al-Qaida threatens Asad in a new audio tape: “You Nussairi, we will not allow you to complete a second term in office” according to “Abu Jandal Al-Dimashqi”, the leader of Jama’t Al-Tawheed wa el-Jihad fi Bilad el-sham.

T-Desco responded:

A “senior American security source” recently told The Sunday Times that “Al-Qaeda is trying very hard to seize a foothold in Syria”:

Al-Qaeda chief urges Iraqis to export jihad

THE deputy leader of Al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has urged supporters in Iraq to extend their “holy war” to other Middle Eastern countries.

In a letter sent to the leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq in the past few weeks, Zawahiri claims that it is defeating US forces and urges followers to expand their campaign of terror.

He conjures a vision of an Islamic state comprising Lebanon, Palestine and Syria, where Al-Qaeda has already gained its first footholds.

The goal of an Islamic “greater Syria”, first outlined by Zawahiri two years ago, is detailed in the letter amid growing concern about the activities of new groups under Al-Qaeda’s influence in the countries concerned.

A senior American security source said he was aware of the letter and Al-Qaeda’s growing emphasis on spreading jihad through a volatile region.

The source said Zawahiri, a Sunni, was determined to prevent Lebanon falling into the hands of the Shi’ite Hezbollah movement, which has tried to bring down the government.

“Al-Qaeda is trying very hard to seize a foothold in Syria,” the American source added.
The Sunday Times

Note that the information about “Al-Qaeda leader Abu Musab al-Suri” believed to have been arrested “in Syria” is probably wrong. Mustafa Setmariam Nasar was arrested in Pakistan and is now in Guantanamo (but perhaps there are several “Al-Qaeda leader’s” using that name?).

There seems to be a flurry of statements attributed to al-Qa’ida in recent days. This was reported by Ynetnews yesterday:

Al-Qaeda: Help Fatah al-Islam attack Israel

A statement attributed to al-Qaeda’s leadership has been released on the internet calling for “every Muslim” to support Fatah al-Islam, the Palestinian Islamist group engaged in a bloody conflict with Lebanese troops.

According to the statement, Fatah al-Islam is under attack in Lebanon because it is seeking “a confrontation” with Israel, and all Muslims are therefore obliged to support the group.

The message was released by the Global Islamic Media Front, an al-Qaeda mouthpiece which distributes statements by the international terror organization’s leaders and field commanders.
Ynetnews

And today the New York Times published this important article detailing the modus operandi of al-Qa’ida linked networks in the region (including inside Syria):

Militants Widen Reach as Terror Seeps Out of Iraq
NYT

The article also shows, in my opinion, how important it would be to return to the kind of close cooperation with Syria in security matters that existed right after 9/11.

The following passage may be of interest for the Hariri case:

“In Somalia and Algeria, for example, recent suicide bombings have been accompanied by the release of taped testimonials by the bombers, a longtime terrorist practice embraced by insurgents in Iraq” (my emphasis).

After the recent suicide bombing in Algiers, the pictures of the three alledged bombers appeared on the Web almost immediately, together with a tape that was played on al-Jazeera.

In light of this, the quick release of the Abu Adass tape doesn’t seem so unusual anymore.

However, a word of caution – at least part of the reason why there are suddenly so many reports about al-Qa’ida in the region could be a deliberate shift in White House rhetorics, as Seymour Hersh noted recently:

“I do know that within the last month, maybe four, four-and-a-half weeks ago, they made a decision that because of the totally dwindling support for the war in Iraq, we go back to the al-Qaeda card, and we start talking about al-Qaeda. And the next thing you know, right after that, Bush went to the Southern Command — this was a month ago — and talked, mentioned al-Qaeda twenty-seven times in his speech. He did so just the other day this week — al-Qaeda this, al-Qaeda that.”
Interview on Democracy Now!, May 24th, 2007

Certainly related to this new PR strategy, yet also interesting:

Bush declassifies intelligence that asserts bin Laden ordered more attacks outside Iraq
AP, May 22, 2007

The New York Times has this: "Shakir al-Abssi, was an associate of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia who was killed last summer. In an interview with The New York Times earlier this month, Mr. Abssi confirmed reports that Syrian government forces had killed his son-in-law as he tried crossing into Iraq to collaborate with insurgents.

Mark Mackinnon, in this good article, brought to our attention by T-Desco, describes Absi and his cause. He writes that Absi is "a fanatically devout former Libyan air force pilot who is almost certain to choose death over surrender in the standoff at the Nahr al-Bared refugee camp.

Even before he founded Fatah al-Islam last year, Shakir al-Abssi was a well-known militant who grew up fighting in the refugee camps of Jordan and Lebanon and dreaming of "liberating" the Palestinian territories. The last place he lived before he established his base at Nahr al-Bared is testament to that: a grungy three-room building furnished only with bunk beds, uncomfortable chairs and a messy desk in Shatila, a Palestinian refugee camp near Beirut.

Mr. al-Abssi, who returned to Lebanon last summer after a prolonged absence, lived in these Spartan accommodations for several months after being assigned by Fatah Intifada chiefs in Syria to take over the local leadership of the Syrian-backed group dedicated to violent resistance against Israel.

Shortly afterward, he founded the breakaway Fatah al-Islam, the radical Salafist group now locked in the deadly showdown with government forces at Nahr al-Bared in the north of the country.

The 51-year-old Mr. al-Abssi is remembered on these grimy, narrow streets as a physically fit man with greying hair who wore a mustache and, occasionally, a short beard. He was a popular and respected figure, renowned for his religiosity.

"He is modest and forgiving. You can do anything you want to him and he will forgive you, but if someone insulted God in his presence, he might kill them," said Ibrahim Abu Mohammed, the security chief for Fatah Intifada in Shatila.

He said that when Mr. al-Abssi arrived last June to take over command, he brought with him 200 battle-hardened veterans of the Iraq war hailing from countries around the region. There were some Palestinians and Lebanese among them, but locals – judging primarily by the men's appearance and accents – say others were from Jordan, Syria, North Africa and the Persian Gulf states.

The new men trained separately from the rest of Fatah Intifada, an arrangement that none could question because of Mr. al-Abssi's status as a senior commander. Then late last year, Mr. al-Abssi and his men made their move, heading north to take over Fatah Intifada's headquarters in Nahr al-Bared and seizing the guns and ammunition stored there.

Mr. Abu Mohammed says the arsenal that Fatah al-Islam acquired from Fatah Intifada included a store of 120-millimetre mortars and multibarrelled rocket launchers, as well as an "uncountable" number of Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. The militant group has bragged that it has enough weaponry to hold out for nine months in its standoff with the Lebanese army.

"They will fight to the last drop of blood," Mr. Abu Mohammed said. "They are religious people. They want to meet God, to die as martyrs in Islam."

The seizure of the weapons and infrastructure was a grand, carefully planned heist. "Because he was the leader of Fatah Intifada in Beirut and the north, he was able to move his people from Beirut to [Nahr al-Bared] without people suspecting anything," said Abu Ayed al-Shalan, the Palestinian Liberation Organization co-ordinator in Shatila.

He said he knew Mr. al-Abssi as a "calm, religious man" who had helped prepare the camps defences for a potential assault during Israel's attack on Lebanon last summer.

He shook his head like a man who had been fooled. "We can't believe that all the things that happened this week are linked to him."

With Nahr al-Bared already under its effective control, Fatah al-Islam made its presence known to the rest of the country in February when it allegedly bombed two buses near Beirut, killing three people. The group's spokesman, Abu Salim Taha, says Fatah al-Islam still seeks to eventually liberate the Palestinian territories from Israeli control, but the group's first target is the pro-Western government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora. The country, he said, should be ruled by Islamic sharia law, not "atheist courts."

Mr. al-Abssi's new group has more in common with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and its global jihad than with the traditional Palestinian "resistance" movements he previously served. In an interview earlier this year with The New York Times, he said that his dream was to create a global Islamic government. He said that the U.S. invasion of Iraq made American citizens anywhere legitimate targets.

"It is our right to hit them in their homes as they hit us in our homes," he was quoted as saying. "We are not afraid of being named terrorists."

Mr. al-Abssi's journey to Nahr al-Bared was a long and circuitous one. Born in the Palestinian city of Jericho, he fled as a child with his family to Jordan after Israel seized the West Bank in 1967.

The family later relocated to Lebanon and Mr. al-Abssi grew up in Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, which plucked him from medical school and trained him as a pilot. He joined the Syrian-backed Fatah Intifada when it broke away from the mainstream movement in 1983 and rose to become an officer in a special unit charged with planning attacks on mainland Israel.

In the late 1980s, he travelled to Libya, another backer of Palestinian militant groups, and served in the country's air force during the latter years of its prolonged war with neighbouring Chad. Afterward, he moved to Syria where he lived relatively quietly while making frequent trips to Jordan, where he reportedly met Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born militant who was later to become one of the world's most notorious people as the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, where he was killed last year.

Mr. al-Zarqawi and Mr. al-Abssi apparently found common cause. They were jointly charged and sentenced to death in absentia by a Jordanian court for the 2002 killing of American diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman. After the killing, Mr. al-Abssi was arrested by the Syrian authorities, but never handed over to Jordan. Instead, he was jailed for three years for membership in a banned Islamist group, and released last year.

While Lebanon's Western-backed government has alleged that Syria is behind Fatah al-Islam, Mr. Abu Mohammed said that Damascus was furious at the creation of Mr. al-Abssi's group. He said Fatah Intifada had been preparing an attack to retake their headquarters in Nahr al-Bared by force, but was asked by residents not to use force in the densely populated refugee camp.

Some Lebanese analysts, however, poured scorn on the idea that Fatah al-Islam had been able to enter the country from Syria and to secure the weapons and headquarters of a Syrian-backed Palestinian faction without the tacit approval of Damascus.

"I'm not saying this is a group financed and armed by the Syrians, it's more subtle than that, but clearly this was something the Syrians set up and appear to have been preparing for some time," said Michael Young, opinion page editor of The Daily Star an English-language newspaper in Beirut.

Other Palestinian groups say they have no knowledge one way or the other about Syria's alleged involvement with Mr. al-Abssi and Fatah al-Islam, but say the group's battle with the Lebanese army is damaging the reputation of Palestinians and doing little to help their cause of liberating the territories occupied by Israel.

"The members of this group are Islamic terrorists, not Palestinians," Mr. al-Shalan, the PLO man, said in his office in Shatila, a place still scarred by the 1982 massacre of refugees by Christian militiamen allied with Israel. It's a dark episode in the history of both Lebanon and the Palestinians who live here that many are recalling as the standoff in the Nahr al-Bared camp appears headed toward a bloody end.

Faced with a surrender-or-die ultimatum from the Lebanese army, Mr. Taha said yesterday that Fatah al-Islam was planning to go out shooting.

Jonathan Nassim of Bilad ash-Sham blog gives these two perspectives from Lebanon. He begins:

I spoke today with two well informed sources in Beirut, who had different points of view on the situation in Lebanon.

The first source held that though Fatah al-Islam were given the go-ahead by Syria to enter Lebanon, thus serving Syrian strategic interests, they are not Syrian puppets. Syria are no longer in control of the Palestinian camps, and once inside, Fatah al-Islam developed its own strategy, which can broadly be described as Jihadist.

The Lebanese authorities knew of their existence and tolerated them. Furthermore, as Hezbullah's (perceived and actual) strength increased in the south, Sunnis in the north were made to become aware of the threat they posed, and were happy to have well armed Sunnis nearby, and this fact was accepted and exploited by the Hariri’s – whether this meant funding or playing on their presence in election time, as the Hezbullah threat was played up. What we are seeing now is the failure of this accommodation, that has ‘blown up in their face’. Partial evidence for this theory, the source said, is that the Ain Alaq bus bombing suspects were known to the Lebanese authorities, but at no point did they co-ordinate with Fatah (proper) and arrest them….

Robert Fisk in "The Road to Jerusalem (via Lebanon)," sheds a bit more light on the group. Unlike Michael Young, Fisk is not enammored of the March 14 Coalition and is suspicious of claims that the group is controlled by Syria. Fisk writes:

Chaker al-Absi told Lebanese journalists last year that his movement "was founded on the Koran and holy law" and that it was a "reformist movement created to bring an end to corruption and to brandish in the sky over Jerusalem the banner which says 'There is only one God but God'."

And he added that "we are neither allied to a regime or any group existing on this earth."

It is too simple to claim that this is Syria's work. Syria may have an interest is watching this destabilisation, even – through its security networks – assisting these groups with logistics. But other organisations might have found common interest; the Iraqi insurgents, for example, even the Taliban, perhaps equally small groups in the Palestinian occupied territories. That's how these things work in the Middle East, where there is no such thing as responsibility – only a commonality of interests. Perhaps the Americans might have learnt something about this if they had not two years ago insulted the Syrians for allowing fighters into Iraq – at which point, the Syrians halted all military and intelligence co-operation with the US.

Anthony Shadid's article on militants in Tripoli of last year was precient. It is worth rereading it in the light of recent fighting. "Smoke of Iraq War 'Drifting Over Lebanon': In Political and Social Life, Returned Fighters Inspire Climate of Militancy."

Farah Stockman, "US unit created to pressure Iran, Syria disbanded," Boston Globe |  May 26, 2007

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration has dismantled a special committee that was established last year to coordinate aggressive actions against Iran and Syria, State Department officials said this week.

The interagency group, known as the Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group, met weekly throughout much of 2006 to coordinate actions such as curtailing Iran's access to credit and banking institutions, organizing the sale of military equipment to Iran's neighbors, and supporting democratic forces that oppose the two regimes.

State Department and White House officials said the dissolution of the group was simply a bureaucratic reorganization, but many analysts saw it as evidence of a softening in the US strategy toward the two countries. It comes as the Bush administration has embarked on a significant new effort to hold high-level meetings with Iran and Syria.

Khaddam hired the good offices of Sandra Charles (C & O Resources) to lobby for him and obtain access for a high profile visit he'd like to make to Washington. Also see other details at Friday-Lunch-Club.

New French FM says Paris will continue to snub Syria, Ha'aretz – Tel Aviv, Israel
PARIS – France's new foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, said Friday that Paris would continue to snub Syria because it did not believe Damascus respected …

Assad re-elected

Nothing much new here. The only suspence is waiting to see what the percentage given will be.

Ammar Abdul Hamid's Tharwa Community writes that

Close to 75 protestors representing various opposition currents held a protest rally in front of the Syria Embassy in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, May 26. Protestors called for a popular boycott of the presidential referendum scheduled to be held on the following day.

Here are photos of the demonstration taken by Seth Wikas of WINEP.

"Syrian President's Fortunes Revive in Time for Election," By HASSAN M. FATTAH in NYTimes
Hugh Naylor contributed reporting.

DAMASCUS, Syria — Inside the tent, the trappings of a modern election campaign were on display: jingles playing, flags waving, confetti coating the floor, and posters of President Bashar al-Assad hanging near the stage.

Outside, however, Syria's realities were evident. Government security officers manhandled anyone trying to come in and blocked reporters from covering the rally, which was financed by one of Syria's most powerful oligarchs. The sparseness of the crowd at the start of the campaign on May 11 hinted at growing fear of the future and apathy about Syrian politics.

Only a year ago, Mr. Assad faced so many troubles that some Syrians began questioning his political survival. His troops had been forced out of Lebanon, his government faced accusations of collusion in the assassination of the former Lebanese prime minister, Rafik Hariri, and the Bush administration had imposed sanctions that affected everything from the fleet of Boeings in Syria's national airline to medical equipment. Waning oil reserves hinted at economic collapse, and the European Union delayed signing a much-needed trade agreement.

But as he prepares for a so-called national referendum in which he is certain to be overwhelmingly re-elected for a second seven-year term, Mr. Assad seems very much in control, with his rivals isolated, his critics increasingly in prison or fearing retribution, and international pressure eased. He has consolidated power around his immediate family and rewarded loyalists. And he has continued to reap the benefits of Washington's troubles in the region. In Lebanon, the anti-Syrian March 14 movement, which helped force Syria out, has seen its political fortunes plummet, mired in unrest…..

"Assad’s rule has brought small changes to Syria, but critics say shortcomings remain," By ZEINA KARAM (Thanks to

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — On the surface, Syria looks starkly different than it did a few years ago: Cafes and restaurants, private universities and banks have sprung up, with large construction sites signaling even more development to come.

But as the c …

Farid Ghadry will address the Israeli Knesset.

"Iraqi Refugees Turn to the Sex Trade in Syria," by Katherine Zoepf – a sad story that we will hear more of.

A new Guide to Syria on the web in French by Sylvia Chiffoleau: Guide de Syrie-sur-Web: Réalisé par Sylvia Chiffoleau (GREMMO-UMR 5195), ce guide vise à introduire aux ressources d’Internet concernant l’actualité de la Syrie.

Yves Gonzalez Quijano has a wonderful blog, "Culture & Politique arabes." His latest post is on Syrian art and well worth the read. (In French)

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51. bilal said:

To ALL,
An article worth reading. They estimate the worth of Bashar & company to be 40 Billions Dollars. That is $ 2,000 for each Syrian (40 Billions devided by 20 Million Syrians). I do not know about you but I want my $ 2,000 now.

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قال التيار السوري الديمقراطي إن مجهولين أقدموا على تدمير موقعه على شبكة الانترنيت وتخريبه وسرقة كامل ملفاته بعد نشره تقريرا أعده الأمين العام للتيار عن ثروات العائلتين الحاكمتين في سوريا (الأسد ومخلوف) وكشف التيار عن تلقي بعض أعضائه تهديدات شفهية.

وأكد التيار في بيان حصل موقع “آفاق” على نسخة منه بأنه سيواصل المسير في نفس الطريق وأن التهديدات لن تخيفه أو تثنيه عن كشف الفساد والفاسدين كما أعلن التيار عن إصلاحه الأضرار التي لحقت بالموقع وعمله على تطويره ليواصل رسالته في ترسيخ حريات التعبير التي تسبب غيابها في التستر على جرائم وسرقات ورشى “خربت الأقتصاد السوري وأعاقت الحراك السياسي لكافة القوى الحية والفاعلة في المجتمع”.

وقال البيان الذي حمل عنوان “ألم يحن الوقت لوقف سياسات (البلطجة الرسمية) في سوريا “لقد حان الوقت لوقف سياسات البلطجة الرسمية فما من قوة في الأرض تستطيع الآن أن تقف في وجه التبادل الحر للمعلومات في هذا العصر وبدلا من هذه السياسة العقيمة فإن الأجدى والأجدر بالسلطات السورية أن تحقق – ان استطاعت – مع كبار المسؤلين الذي تدور حولهم الشبهات في سرقة المال العام وتبديد ثروات الشعب السوري لصالح حفنة صغيرة من المنتفعين”.

وإلى نص البيان:

ألم يحن الوقت لوقف سياسات (البلطجة الرسمية) في سورية

أقدم مجهولون أمس الأول على تدمير موقع التيار السوري الديمقراطي الاليكتروني وتخريبه بالكامل وسرقة ملفاته ونظرا لتوقيت هذه الغزوة التي جاءت في أعقاب نشر ملخص صغير فقط من دراسة الأمين العام للتيار عن ثروات العائلتين الحاكمتين في سورية – الاسد ومخلوف – فاننا نستطيع التكهن بطبيعة هؤلاء المجهولين – المعروفين.

أنهم من ذات الفصيلة التي تطبق سياسة البلطجة الرسمية في الداخل وتريد نقلها الى الخارج وهؤلاء يريدون اسكات جميع الأصوات المطالبة بالشفافية والمحاسبة حتى يخلو الجو لابواقهم التي لا تقدم غير وجبات المديح ولا تجرؤ على انتقاد سرقات تجاوزت الملايين الى المليارات.

لقد سبقت عملية تدمير الموقع تهديدات شفاهية من قبل بعض الذين تضرروا من الاهتمام الهائل الذي اولته وسائل الاعلام العربية والأجنبية للتقرير الخاص بالثروات الأسدية ويهمنا أن نؤكد هنا أن النشر لم يكن مقصودا به التشهير بأحد بقدر ما جاء من موقع الاحساس بالمسؤلية وتشجيعا للجرأة على الكشف ومطالبة صريحة بالشفافية فحين يكون ثلث الشعب السوري تحت خط الفقر لا بد أن يساهم الجميع في وقف هذا التدهور المريع في مستوى معيشة المواطن السوري نتيجة للسرقات والتبديد واستغلال السلطة والنفوذ.

وفي الوقت الذي نصر فيه على المضي في الطريق ذاته نود التأكيد لممارسي سياسة البلطجة أن هذه التهديات والممارسات لا تخيفنا ولن تثنينا عن سياستنا في كشف الفساد والفاسدين لذا يسرنا أن نعلن أننا قمنا جزئيا باصلاح الأضرار التي لحقت بالموقع وسوف نعمل على تطويره ليصبح أفضل مما كان ليواصل رسالته في ترسيخ حريات التعبير التي تسبب غيابها في التستر على جرائم وسرقات ورشى خربت الأقتصاد السوري وأعاقت الحراك السياسي لكافة القوى الحية والفاعلة في المجتمع.

لقد حان الوقت لوقف سياسات البلطجة الرسمية فما من قوة في الأرض تستطيع الآن أن تقف في وجه التبادل الحر للمعلومات في هذا العصر وبدلا من هذه السياسة العقيمة فأن الأجدى والأجدر بالسلطات السورية أن تحقق – ان استطاعت – مع كبار المسؤلين الذي تدور حولهم الشبهات في سرقة المال العام وتبديد ثروات الشعب السوري لصالح حفنة صغيرة من المنتفعين.

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52. EHSANI2 said:

Zenobia,

Those who think that Bashar is unpopular are wrong. I think that it is incorrect to assume that fear of the leadership drives so many people into such a showing of support.

Indeed, compared to the Syria of 1980-2000, it is easy to see why. Those of us who lived/visited the country during the above period can vividly recall how hard it was to find even bananas and toilet paper then. Hafez Assad was feared and respected but not liked. The same cannot be said of Bashar. His youth, looks, wife and kids, education and general demeanor are surely a big hit. Moreover, Bashar’s opening of the economy has allowed more people to drive and own cars and cell phones. Fear of the security services may still exist but nowhere near the levels under Assad senior. During Hafez’s days, once you were picked up, it was highly probable that you would not be heard from again. Now, you may get interrogated for a few days or months but you will be back. The cumulative impact of all this is what you see in the streets. Anyone who denies the level of the man’s support within the people of the country is being disingenuous.

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May 30th, 2007, 10:18 pm

 

53. K said:

The tribunal has passed the UNSC.

Now brace yourselves for Bashar’s revenge – on his old hostage, Lebanon.

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May 30th, 2007, 10:58 pm

 

54. SimoHurtta said:

To ALL,
An article worth reading. They estimate the worth of Bashar & company to be 40 Billions Dollars. That is $ 2,000 for each Syrian (40 Billions devided by 20 Million Syrians). I do not know about you but I want my $ 2,000 now.

Sadly I can’t read Arabic, so I do not know what Bilal’s “article” tells. But most probably it is complete fictive propaganda. Forbes “estimated” in 2003 the Saudi Kings wealth to 20 billion USD, Saddam’s to 2 billion USD and Arafat’s to 300 million USD.

Forbes managed to get Castro and Saddam on the list of the worlds richest. How, Forbes did put state property to their private property. The funny part is that Forbes did not use the same criteria with other world’s dictator leaders. If Chinese (for example) would make an equal list with Forbes “standards of estimation” how rich would be Emperor Bush II?

Only 40 billion, why not 100 billion USD? 40 billion is about 55 percent of Syria’s GDP. If the number is true “Bashar & company” are the world 4th richest. Hmmmmmm…

On the other hand Harir’s wealth was estimated in 2005 to be $4.3 billion (by Forbes naturally). After his assassination, his family inherited a total of $16.7 billion in 2006, which drew some questions which haven’t been explained by the Hariri family on how $4.3 billion became $16.7 billion in the course of the year after the assassination.

Seems to be that being a “politician” in Middle East (including Israel and US Iraq) is a rather lucrative carrier choice.

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May 30th, 2007, 11:17 pm

 

55. ugarit said:

Akbar Palace asked: “Which “election results” in the US were lies?”

When the highest judicial body in the land declares a recount of votes in Florida as being unfair to the candidate who doesn’t want a recount, then it’s one of the highest forms of lying. A lie can be preventing the truth from coming to the surface.

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May 30th, 2007, 11:53 pm

 

56. trustquest said:

Idaf,
I was really impressed with your narrative above and please do no be surprise if I said I almost agree with big part of it. From your post which advocates working with the regime not against it, can you tell me if you have done that what you have achieved and contributed so far. And please can you provide us of your estimate of the real voting results.
The one point which I strongly differ with you is the task for knowledgeable people like you who can intellectually discover the rigging and the shameful sitting of what called referendum. I still would like to stand on the side where you can speak you mind and voice your free opinion and not with the clapping, brain dying side and the parrot repeating side. I hope you will appreciate my stand not as a tool for changing regime but a tool for enlightenment to a nation left behind other nations, lost its personality and ruled by Mafia.

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May 30th, 2007, 11:59 pm

 

57. bilal said:

To Ehsani2 & Zenobia,
Beleive it that every Syrian has every right to fear this brutal regime. Aren’t you reading what is going on? No government employee can dare not to vote and so on. If you do not vote then you are subject to…Have you lived in Syria?
Despite how brutal Hafez was but we were in a much better position than what we have now. Yes the economy is better now but a lot of events have improved the economy that Bashar does not have to do with most of it. Look at Syria’s position now in the Arab World and where it was 10 years ago. The repeated stupid mistakes by this inexperienced corrupt regime have diminished Syria’s position to an all time low. Now we just wait our fate to be decided by Iran and KSA. When Hafez was around we decided their fates.
I cannot believe that within the 20 Millions Syrians we do not have a better Syrian than Bashar. Now we feel the loss of Bassel.

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May 31st, 2007, 12:25 am

 

58. Ziad said:

what kind of people they want ?
here is the answer:

http://tharwacommunity.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/30/assadwitch_2.gif

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May 31st, 2007, 12:59 am

 

59. Ford Prefect said:

Bilal, in Syria, if you don’t vote for Bashar, you face undesirable consequences or maybe even time a dark jail cell. In Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, if you don’t disappear during prayer time or if your covered female companion is not walking a step behind, you face the ultimate humiliation and maybe even jail if you raise your voice. Also, in Saudi Arabia, in the name of Islam, a woman is not even allowed to drive and cannot leave the country without a permission from her male “master”.

Quiz1: Which one earns the US coveted label of “moderate Arab regime”?

Quiz2: Which regime bothers the US and Israel so much that they call for an immediate installation of human rights and democracy?

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May 31st, 2007, 1:19 am

 

60. norman said:

Ehsani, You are making more sence now in your last comment.
Keep it up.

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May 31st, 2007, 1:20 am

 

61. trustquest said:

SimoHurtta

“But most probably it is complete fictive propaganda. Forbes “estimated” in 2003 the Saudi Kings wealth to 20 billion USD, Saddam’s to 2 billion USD and Arafat’s to 300 million USD.”
For your information, I read the Forbs in 1999 issue and it mentioned Hafez Assad on the list with 2 billions.
If you follow the government outlet such Syrian News, mentioned Jamil Assad by his lawyer in the law suit between inheritors, as a fortune of $5 billions, 90 houses and 250 kg of gold. This is one brother and one uncle from tens of uncles. So, do not get surprised the money factor is the main one and will stay this way for long time to come. It is not theft on any possible level it is beyond the IMF indexes of what they called corruption. Take the money factor off, and the terror of regime security out you will have a very good people but people with Down syndrome who can not bring civility or consensus from all.

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May 31st, 2007, 1:29 am

 

62. bilal said:

To Ford Perfect,

Two wrond does not make one right. KSA I think is wrong on imposing closure during daily prayer times anyway maybe the US is not just in supporting the regime in KSA but it is not for me to care as I am Syrian and I care about how to make Syria democtaric and better. Definately the first step should be get ride of Bashar.

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May 31st, 2007, 1:37 am

 

63. bilal said:

To all,
Another intersting article to follow:

Behind the Curtain on the 2007 Syrian Referendum
New Report Offers Eyewitness Accounts
of Regime Fraud and Intimidation

A new report issued today by the website Syrian Elector offers eyewitness reporting of Sunday’s presidential referendum in Syria. A Syrian Elector exclusive, available nowhere else, the report describes an extensive effort on the part of Syrian President Bashar al’Assad’s regime to intimidate voters and manipulate the referendum results in Bashar’s favor, despite having already run a costly and extravagant advertising campaign on behalf of the unopposed incumbent president.

Drawn from eyewitness accounts from activists throughout Syria, the report details intense regime pressure on state employees, taxi drivers, university students, military conscripts, and others to turn out to vote ‘yes’ on the referendum. Also detailed are accounts of ballot box stuffing, family voting, open (or non-secret) voting, multiple voting, voting by minors, and other irregularities. The report also contests official turnout figures and vote results, pointing out that the math simply does not add up.

Observers reported:

Balloting was open – no private booths were provided, and as such secret balloting was not practiced. All voting took place in the open under the watchful eyes of the security agents, which were omnipresent.

Many reported that ballots have already been filled on their behalf, that is, the ”yes” circle had already been marked for them, and all that they had to do was to fold it and insert it in the box.

Public sector workers reported that they often no choice but to take part in voting ”yes,” since the entire establishment in which they worked was obliged to vote en masse, and of course, in the open. Refusal to participate would have had severe repercussions for the people involved.

The licenses of taxi and microbus drivers, street vendors, and kiosk-owners were reportedly confiscated in the days preceding the elections to convince them to take part in the official celebrations, and to actually show up at the polling stations.
For the full report, visit http://tharwacommunity.typepad.com/syrianelector_english/2007/05/the_syrian_pres.html

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May 31st, 2007, 1:46 am

 

64. Ford Prefect said:

Bilal, I agree with you that two wrongs do not make anything right. I also appreciate your thought about the balance between religious observance and tolerance. However, the point I am trying to make is one of social maturity so that democracy can grow and be able to defend itself.

You say the first step is to get rid of Bashar. Fine. I would be more convinced if you tell me how you’d get rid of him, the Ba’ath party, the MB’s, the Republican Guards, the Communists, the Jihadists, the Islamists, the Cedar Revolutionists (who hate us passionately), and Haifa Wahbe (sorry for the pun, but someone, somewhere has a bone to pick with the above list and will not rest until they see their adversary eliminated). Also, I am keen in knowing upon whose assistance should we Syrians rely on as it is empirically proven that it cannot be done from the inside alone.

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May 31st, 2007, 2:01 am

 

65. Akbar Palace said:

Ugarit enlightens the forum:

You had forgotten to mention that Eichmann was invited to Palestine by the World Zionist Organization to see how the European Jewish colonies (kibbutz) were doing.

Ugarit,

I’m puzzled. With Germany allowing so many Jews to emigrate to Palestine (about 275,000*), why was Haj Amin al-Husseini so enthralled with Adolf Hitler:

…on the occasion of the great political and military triumphs which the Fuhrer has just achieved through his foresight and great genius…The Arab nation everywhere feels the greatest joy and deepest gratification on the occasion of these great successes…The Arab people…confidently expect the result of your final victory will be their independence and complete liberation…They will then be linked to your country by a treaty of friendship and collaboration.*

*H. Sachar, “A History of Israel”, 2nd Ed., pp. 197, 228

Maybe you can make sense of that for me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann

In 1937 Eichmann was sent to the British Mandate of Palestine with his superior Herbert Hagen to assess the possibilities of massive Jewish emigration from Germany to Palestine. They landed in Haifa but could only obtain a transit visa so they went on to Cairo. In Cairo they met Feival Polkes, an agent of the Haganah, who discussed with them the plans of the Zionists and tried to enlist their assistance in facilitating Jewish emigration from Europe.[citation needed] According to an answer Eichmann gave at his trial, he had also planned to meet Arab leaders in Palestine; this never happened because entry to Palestine was refused by the British authorities. Afterwards Eichmann and Hagen wrote a report recommending against large-scale emigration to Palestine for economic reasons and because it contradicted the German policy of preventing the establishment of a Jewish state there. This episode is sometimes seen as an important step towards the Nazi abandonment of emigration as the preferred solution to the “Jewish Question” (Judenfrage).[citation needed]

In 1938, Eichmann was assigned to Austria to help organize SS Security Forces in Vienna after the Anschluss of Austria into Germany. Through this effort, Eichmann was promoted to SS-Obersturmführer (1st lieutenant), and, by the end of 1938, Adolf Eichmann had been selected by the SS leadership to form the Central Office for Jewish Emigration, charged with forcibly deporting and expelling Jews from Austria. Through this work, Eichmann became a student of Judaism, even studying Hebrew.

And yes, in the end, dear Mr. Eichmann, without the protection of German and Arab anti-semites and thugs, was “sprited away”.

Mr. Eichmann had his day in court. “The World Zionist Organization” and the “European Jewish Colonies” were not there to speak up for him for some strange reason.

Ugarit now immerses us into a subject most Arabs are “very” familiar with: “Democracy”

When the highest judicial body in the land declares a recount of votes in Florida as being unfair to the candidate who doesn’t want a recount, then it’s one of the highest forms of lying. A lie can be preventing the truth from coming to the surface.

Ugarit,

Despite your words of hostility (or more likely: “jealousy” {Hamas)),
the truth is, the George W. Bush officially received 537 more votes than Al Gore in the State of Florida. It was the THIRD time in US history that a predisent was elected by the Electoral College despite losing the popular vote. It was NOT the first time.

The fact that several courts including the US Supreme Court got involved is only a testament to the stregnth of our laws and our democracy.

What’s your excuse;)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

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May 31st, 2007, 2:20 am

 

66. bilal said:

To Ford Perfect,

Personally I would rather Haifa who will do a better job for all but unfortunately it is not going to happen. Democracy can handle it. What the NSF has proposed is to have a transitional government for 6 months. During these 6 months the country will immediately move to 1952 constitutions and conduct free legislative elections. Out of this election a new government will be formed. This new legislation will write a new constitution that will be proposed into referendum. This will be done in 2 years and upon accepting this new constitution the country can freely elect a new parliament which will form the government.

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May 31st, 2007, 3:38 am

 

67. Enlightened said:

I dont know why we are discussing Eichmann ( a convicted war criminal)
who also shot a Jewish child picking a orange from a orchard.

Akbar : Whats your view on this article? Is this a one off comment or is this the prevalent right wing view?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Shocking isnt it, with both sides now advocating extreme radicalism, I wonder what hope is left?

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May 31st, 2007, 3:57 am

 

68. bilal said:

To Zenobia,
When a dictatorial regime is ideologically bankrupt,economically corrupt and politically unpopular as is the Assad regime it is only a question of times before it collapses

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May 31st, 2007, 5:18 am

 

69. ausamaa said:

BILAL,

From the pictures of Syrians carried on TV alone, it seems that your “waiting” for the collapse of the Regime may be little longer than you expect. But I know; you do not mind and meanwhile, you will do whatever you can. Bilal the First was also very patient we are told.

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May 31st, 2007, 10:18 am

 

70. Akbar Palace said:

Enlightened asks:

I dont know why we are discussing Eichmann ( a convicted war criminal) who also shot a Jewish child picking a orange from a orchard.

You’ll have to ask Ugarit. If shooting a child picking an orange
were the extent of his crimes, that would be one thing. However, Adolf Eichmann was responsible for the mass murder of millions of people. That Ugarit would somehow accuse the Zionists of “collaborating” with such a monster as Jews were fleeing for their lives is, I guess, is no surprise here on this forum.

Akbar : Whats your view on this article? Is this a one off comment or is this the prevalent right wing view?

Enlightened,

Thanks for asking. I would say the Israelis should conduct operations against the Palestinians in approximately the same manner as the Lebanese are fighting the Palestinian jihadists in Lebanon.

Are you more concerned about Israeli reaction to Palestinian terrorism than Lebanese reaction to Palestinian terrorism? If so, you (and others on this forum) need to put Israelis in the same light as your own semitic brethren, because it is not just Jews who are fighting terrorism. It also includes Saudis, Lebanese, Turks, Iraqis, Jordanians, Egyptians and Algerians.

In short, I disagree with the statements by the Former Sephardi chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu. However, Israel is at war with the Palestinian government and needs to something more decisive.

Shocking isnt it, with both sides now advocating extreme radicalism, I wonder what hope is left?

The only hope left is that jihadism is defeated. If the culture of suicide, martyrdom and Islamic intolerance wins, you and I are in big trouble.

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May 31st, 2007, 11:04 am

 

71. ugarit said:

Akbar Palace:

That Ugarit would somehow accuse the Zionists of “collaborating” with such a monster as Jews were fleeing for their lives is, I guess, is no surprise here on this forum.

This is not my accusation. This is a fact. The Zionists collaborated with the Nazis until they realized the real intentions of the Nazis. (http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/)

You should read

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis

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May 31st, 2007, 11:19 am

 

72. bilal said:

To Ausamas,

Trust me the pictures of Syrians carried on TV can be deceiving & misleading the same way it was for Saddam & Ceausescu of Romania. The crowd that was supporting them turned against them. This is what you get as I said in such dictatorial regime that is ideologically bankrupt, economically corrupt and politically unpopular. Don’t be surprised of how soon it is going to happen.
For me I will be patient as I have always been but with recent events I do not have to wait much longer. Things are moving faster around & inside Syria now.

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May 31st, 2007, 6:01 pm

 

73. Akbar Palace said:

This is not my accusation. This is a fact. The Zionists collaborated with the Nazis until they realized the real intentions of the Nazis.

Ugarit,

What are Iran’s “real intentions”? I bet you have no clue.;)

And what troubles you about a couple of German Jews trying (in vain) to save thousands of their brethren? Do you think anyone in Halabja or in Kurdistan “collaborated” with Saddam Hussein before he started gassing them? Do you think anyone in Hama “collaborated” with Assad before the town was destroyed?

I think the question isn’t why the Jews “collaborated” with evil people in order to save thousands of their own, I think it is why the world did nothing and why the Palestinian leadership sided with the Nazis, especially when they allowed 275,000 Jews to enter Palestine.

Sorry, I don’t read books critical of Zionism. I’m one of the few Jews who has no time for “guilt-trips”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany

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May 31st, 2007, 9:24 pm

 

74. ugarit said:

Akbar Palace:

You must have read some manual on how to change topics and avoid troubling truths. But again that’s a typical Zionist tactic.

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June 1st, 2007, 1:24 am

 

75. Akbar Palace said:

You must have read some manual on how to change topics and avoid troubling truths.

Ugarit -

I have answered all your questions with complete candor and honesty.

Again, what’s your excuse?

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June 1st, 2007, 3:23 am

 

76. SimoHurtta said:

Sorry, I don’t read books critical of Zionism. I’m one of the few Jews who has no time for “guilt-trips”.

Well you should have time to read those books, which by the way are mostly written by other Jews. Zionism is supported by a tiny minority of Jews as Nazism was supported by a minority of Germans and Austrians. Present days Israel has many similarities with Germany in the end 30′s. A “Herrenvolk” (= master race) ideology has had in history normally a sad ending (for the Herrenvolk).

Nur für Deutsche = Zionist state / Jewish State
Lebensraum = Greater Israel
etc.

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June 1st, 2007, 5:06 am

 

77. Enlightened said:

Akbar:

Eichmann; i remember reading about his trial where his defence was obeying orders and discussing it with my father at the time ; he relayed to me the story about shooting the child picking a orange in the orchard, I am well aware he comiited far more atrocious atrocities, there is no need to remind me. He got his justice end of story.

Are you more concerned about Israeli reaction to Palestinian terrorism than Lebanese reaction to Palestinian terrorism?

The act of terror is abominable no matter what it is! you have asked me this question four times, my answer is still consistent, innocent blood is not cheap no matter what its religion is.

“In short, I disagree with the statements by the Former Sephardi chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu”

Thanks for your honesty.

Ps My 4 week old son was born at Masada hospital in Melbourne on 30th April, The Jewish Doctors were great, no anti semitisim from me

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June 1st, 2007, 5:42 am

 

78. Akbar Palace said:

SimoHurtta adds his opinion/fact (I don’t know which):

Zionism is supported by a tiny minority of Jews as Nazism was supported by a minority of Germans and Austrians. Present days Israel has many similarities with Germany in the end 30’s.

SimoHurtta,

I don’t know how much Zionism was supported 75 years ago. Leaving one’s country of origin to another is not an easy task. 75 years ago, most Jews probably didn’t believe world Jewry would be able to create their own state. If it wasn’t for European and Arab racism, perhaps Israel would never have been created. Interestingly, we can thank the anti-semites for our beautiful state (now isn’t that poetic justice?).

What I CAN tell you is that about 5 million Jews live there now and that Israel is sovereign, independent nation and a member of the UN. Israel gets worldwide support from a majority of Jews today as well as non-Jews.

http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.841113/k.3543/AJC_on_IsraelDiaspora_Relations/apps/nl/newsletter3.asp

Enlightened,

You are TRULY, “Enlightened. Salaam to you and greetings from the Evil Bush Empire!

BTW – It is my intention to learn about inter-Arab issues, Syria and the Arab world from this website. I also feel the need to counter many myths and misunderstandings concerning Israel and Jews (since I seem to be the only “Yahud” here). I hope one day for peace, freedom and democracy for the whole Middle East, not just for a few “privledged Jews”;)

I would like to thank “Dr. Josh” for allowing me to speak my mind.

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June 1st, 2007, 11:26 am

 

79. Ford Prefect said:

Akbar,
I must say that I (and I am sure others too) do learn from you and highly value your contributions as well. Many times, some of us spiral into heated and passionate discussions – mainly self-centered and based on personal experiences and biases. But, if you look at the overall picture, each one of us here is gaining from this group’s diversity and thoughtfulness.

As always, I appreciate your contributions and candor. This is more important than our deep ideological differences. And that is why peace is possible and achievable.

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June 1st, 2007, 3:01 pm

 

80. SimoHurtta said:

Israel gets worldwide support from a majority of Jews today as well as non-Jews.

Hmmm Zionism and Israel are a little different things. Germans all around the world support Germany but only a few support Nazis and those who dream about the next Reich. Equally Jews support Israel as a country (naturally) but do not approve Zionism and to what the present days Israel has developed. That is why Israel looses a growing stream of Jewish citizens because they are tired of living in a violent Apartheid Reich. Even you Akbar are not fighting in Israel for lebensraum in a Greater Israel.

Certainly Akbar you know perfectly well that a considerable portion of Jews (living in Israel and especially outside Israel) do not like what Israel now is and Zionism. The limited outside support of Israel is on the edge of total collapse. Only the extreme Christians support Israel in its present form. Most of us Christians watch with growing disgust what Israel is doing. The numerous UN votings show the real support. Besides USA and some paid Oceanic Lilliputians there is no support.

The boycotts in Great Britain and South Africa are signs of the changing tide.

If it wasn’t for European and Arab racism, perhaps Israel would never have been created. Interestingly, we can thank the anti-semites for our beautiful state (now isn’t that poetic justice?).

Most probably there would not be Israel without Hitler. But why do you blame Arabs? They (also Semites) begun to be “anti-Semitic” only when Jews begun to steal their land in Palestine (not all land was bought). If Jews do not now want to voluntarily give up from their land (now when they have it), why do you think that Palestinians and Arabs are any different?

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June 1st, 2007, 9:06 pm

 

81. Akbar Palace said:

Ford Prefect,

You’ve pissed me off before, but your last post was very nice. Thanks. Yes, peace is possible. It’s time to notice that acceptance is better than intolerance, incitement and hatred.

SimoHurtta said:

Hmmm Zionism and Israel are a little different things. Germans all around the world support Germany but only a few support Nazis and those who dream about the next Reich. Equally Jews support Israel as a country (naturally) but do not approve Zionism and to what the present days Israel has developed. That is why Israel looses a growing stream of Jewish citizens because they are tired of living in a violent Apartheid Reich. Even you Akbar are not fighting in Israel for lebensraum in a Greater Israel.

SimoHurtta,

Thank you for the 1970 Pan-Arab propaganda, but its 2007 now. How long will you be repeating the same silly mythology? Really!

Jews support Israel and Zionism. I suppose just as much as Arabs support Palestine. Actually, Jews probably support Israel more. The strength of Israel with the US Congress is pretty good proof of the continued American support Israel gets. Israelis are tired of wars. But they’re fighting a LOT less than they used to. The’ve also become more spoiled. Israel’s economy is pretty good and besides, where else are these 5 million Jews going to go?

They’re there to stay. Believe me, Israel is a lot more comfortable and peaceful than, say, Palestine. Why aren’t you crying about the violence in Palestine??

Double-standards abound!

Certainly Akbar you know perfectly well that a considerable portion of Jews (living in Israel and especially outside Israel) do not like what Israel now is and Zionism.

Sure there are Jews that don’t like Israel. I’ve just never met any. I’ve read about these people and they’re still a small minority.

The limited outside support of Israel is on the edge of total collapse.

Where do you get this information??? And please, no anti-semitic websites. That’s the rule!

Only the extreme Christians support Israel in its present form.

Than how do you explain the huge support of Israel in the House and Senate? You’re either joking or watching an editorial from al-Jazeera.

Most of us Christians watch with growing disgust what Israel is doing.

OK. So call your congressman. Vote for Pat Buchanan.

The numerous UN votings show the real support. Besides USA and some paid Oceanic Lilliputians there is no support.

You forgot France;)

The boycotts in Great Britain and South Africa are signs of the changing tide.

Until the next 7-7.

Most probably there would not be Israel without Hitler. But why do you blame Arabs?

Because Israel is made up, at least half, by “Arab” or Sephardi Jews. A large number of them came due to intolerable conditions in their native countries. Very few Jews remain in ME countries other than Israel.

They (also Semites) begun to be “anti-Semitic” only when Jews begun to steal their land in Palestine (not all land was bought).

Whether they “began to be anti-semitic” before, during or after the creation of Israel, it is still no excuse.

I don’t, and I don’t expect them to.

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June 1st, 2007, 11:25 pm

 

82. Enlightened said:

Akbar Said:

“You are TRULY, “Enlightened. Salaam to you and greetings from the Evil Bush Empire!”

LOLLOL Akbar you always have a back handed comment, I think its part of your character. Are you saying that Bush is evil? I dont think he is evil, but I dont think he is a good a politician as his father, certainly not evil but a big buffoon for sure!

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June 1st, 2007, 11:49 pm

 

83. Akbar Palace said:

Enlightened,

Actually, I like GWB better than his father. I’m in the minority, I know. GWB, interestingly, got 2 terms; Bush Senior: only 1.

Although GWB is not so smart (he actually had better grades in college than “supersmart” John Kerry), I think he has excellent common sense (which is what most politicians lack). Unfortunately, he’s starting to lose his conservative base with his capitulation on the “immigration” issue.

The lineup of republicans running in ’08 looks pretty good, however, the media is fiercely pro-Hilary Clinton. Beating the Clintons is easy; but as we’ve seen, beating the media is not. That is, unless they get caught reporting phoney information again like Dan Rather did. Assume the next election will be close again.

Be well,

AP

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