News Round Up (3 July 2012)

85 SYRIANS SOLDIERS, INCLUDING GENERAL, DEFECT: AP

Turkish media reported that at least 85 Syrian troops, including a general and six other officers, defected to Turkey late Monday and brought 300 family members with them in a mass bid for asylum….

Foreign Policy

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has expressed regret for the downing of a Turkish F-4 Phantom jet on June 22. In an interview on Sunday with Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, Assad initially offered no apology, insisting the warplane was shot down over Syrian territory. However, while details of the incident are still under dispute, Assad spoke to Cumhuriyet on Tuesday stating, “I say 100 percent, I wish we did not shoot it down.” He insisted that Syria believed it to be an Israeli plane. While Turkey is ramping up forces along the Syrian border, Assad said he would not allow tensions to escalate into “armed conflict” between the two former allies. At the same time, Turkey’s state television, Andolou, reported a Syrian general and 85 soldiers have sought refuge in Turkey in a growing wave of defections from the Syrian army. Meanwhile, Human Rights Watch released a report Tuesday saying Syria is running 27 torture centers across the country. It included tens of thousands of cases in which people had been detained by the Department of Military Intelligence, the Political Security Directorate, the General Intelligence Directorate, and the Air Force Intelligence Directorate. The human rights watchdog called for the United Nations Security Council to refer Syria to the International Criminal Court (ICC) and chastised Russia for “holding its protective hand over the people who are responsible for this.”

MOUNTING PRESSURE ON THE SYRIAN ARMY
By Jeffrey White – WINEP

The Syrian army is Bashar al-Assad’s main prop — without it, his regime would soon fall. So far, the military has withstood the stresses associated with months of combat against an increasingly capable opposition force, the steady geographic expansion of its mission, and a stream of defections and casualties. Yet these pressures are mounting, and the army likely cannot resist them indefinitely. At some point it will break, disintegrate, or withdraw to the Alawite heartland in order to preserve remnants of the regime. Alternatively, some units may move against the regime in order to save themselves. To increase the pressure and accelerate the process, the international community should provide additional military assistance to vetted and effective armed opposition forces.

THE CHANGING NATURE OF THE WAR
Syria’s internal war, pitting regime forces against the armed opposition, has been unfolding for a year now, and the nature of the fighting has evolved from intermittent, scattered clashes to more or less sustained combat across broad areas of key governorates. …

Overall, last month saw fighting in more than eighty locations across the country, up from seventy in May, with dramatic increases in Latakia and Deir al-Zour governorates. The pace of conflict between regime forces and the opposition Free Syrian Army (FSA) is accelerating, with June featuring the greatest number of clashes since the beginning of the conflict. Over 250 clashes were recorded by the opposition Local Coordination Committees and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) in their June reports….

Diplomacy failing, West faces tough Syria choices
By Peter Apps

(Reuters) – There are few signs diplomacy can stem Syria’s worsening conflict, leaving Western leaders – and even more so their Arab and Turkish allies – pushed ever further towards backing Bashar al-Assad’s ouster by force….

Washington has long worried about the wisdom of backing Syria’s opposition, which it sees as ill-organized, disparate and much too close to al Qaeda-linked militants. It has limited aid to “non-lethal” equipment, such as radios. And, in an election year, the White House is anxious to avoid anything that may look like an Afghan-style, open-ended military intervention.

Yet it also acknowledges that some of its allies have opted to get more involved in actively support the rebel campaign.

“We’re concerned about pouring more weapons into an already over-militarized situation,” U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said on Monday. “We’ve made our decision.

“Other countries are making other decisions. Our goal now is trying to stay coordinated.”

Though public details on aid to the rebels are scant, U.S. officials say Saudi- and Qatari-funded weaponry is finding its way, mostly via Lebanon, into Syria, to be used against Assad, whose Alawite religion and alliance with Shi’ite Iran distance him from the Sunni Muslims who run most other Arab states.

‘Shift’in Russia, China positions on Syria: Annan
2012-07-03

July 3 (PTI) — The “shift” in the positions of Russia and China on Syria should not be underestimated, the spokesman for peace envoy Kofi Annan said today after international talks in Geneva.

France, Germany say Assad should leave power
Posted: Jul 03, 2012

PARIS (AP) – The top diplomats of France and Germany say Syrian President Bashar Assad should leave power, even though a U.N.-brokered political transition plan leaves his future role open.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said Tuesday, “Bashar Assad is a slaughterer and the sooner he leaves the better.” France is hosting a meeting of diplomats Friday aimed at finding ways to end violence in Syria.

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, after talks with Fabius, said Assad’s acts have been “unpardonable” and his reign “must end.” Westerwelle goes to Moscow on Thursday, and said he will try to persuade Russia to be firmer against Assad.

A U.N.-brokered plan adopted in Geneva on Saturday calls for a transitional government. But at Russia’s insistence, the compromise said Assad could be part of the interim administration.

Arabs urge Syria opposition unity
Gulf Times – 03 July, 2012

Arab states and Turkey urged Syria’s divided opposition yesterday to unite and form a credible alternative to the government of President Bashar al-Assad, but rifts swiftly emerged at talks in Cairo…..

The talks included about 10 groups, including the leading Syrian National Council (SNC) which has itself faced splits in its ranks, plus other activists and Syrian individuals.

The attendees ranged from secularists to Islamists, and differences in their views appeared early in the two-day talks.

“On the top item of the document that we are all supposed to sign and agree to, there is an item asking for the full separation between religion and state, which we don’t agree to,” said Khedr al-Sotari of Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood, although he said the group was not seeking a religious state.

Adib Shishakly, a member of the SNC, said one of the biggest challenges was bridging the gap between Syrians in exile and those on the ground protesting against Assad.

“The main problem we are facing is the division between the opposition groups inside and outside Syria, which is a crucial matter because those inside Syria will have to play a big role in any institutional set up,” he said.

Walid al-Bunni, a doctor jailed for years in Syria for his activism before fleeing last year, said the meeting aimed to form a co-ordinating committee that would not lead the opposition but would implement group decisions and be a face for the world.

Some said they would oppose giving such a committee a big role. “We are against this proposed follow-up committee having powers to execute decisions,” said Nouri al-Jarrah, head of a Syrian writers group.

One Arab League diplomat said the Syrian opposition’s failure to unite strengthened Assad’s position and made it more difficult for the world to respond, contrasting the way opponents of deposed leader Muammar Gaddafi had closed ranks.

No Dog in This Fight
Why Obama is playing it smart on Syria.
BY AARON DAVID MILLER | JULY 2, 2012

….The moral and strategic arguments for a more muscular U.S. role may be compelling. The killing goes on day after day and America watches. Bosnia redux? Syria is truly important; it is not Libya. Its unique geopolitical location — with Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, and Turkey as neighbors and Big Daddy Iran just over the horizon — make its future of critical importance.

Still, for an American president, there are other considerations that need to be weighed — …

Here’s a politically incorrect guide to the president’s thinking on Iran and Syria between now and November.

The Hero of Detroit, Not Damascus

Most Americans don’t even know where Syria is. I’m not trying to demean my fellow countrymen, only to highlight a fundamental truth these days.

After watching the two longest wars in American history — with 6,000 dead and counting and more than a trillion spent and counting, not to mention the thousands of troops grievously wounded and the loss of credibility, Americans want the focus to be on fixing their own broken house, not repairing somebody else’s.

The public, poll after poll suggests, doesn’t want to withdraw from the world, but does want to be smarter about how the United States operates abroad, and wants above all to concentrate more on domestic priorities…..

Foreign Policy Adventures: No Upsides…

Rarely has foreign policy — outside of rising oil prices and terror attacks — been less relevant to American voters. It figures almost not at all in a campaign focused on unemployment, disposable income, and mortgage woes. Republicans are having a hard time finding vulnerabilities in the Obama’s foreign policies, I’ve argued elsewhere, and a consensus has emerged between the two candidates on some of the core foreign-policy issues.

What this means in practical terms is that success abroad — even spectacular success — won’t mean much in election currency. As long as the administration doesn’t allow the Republicans to outflank it on the one foreign issue Americans do care about — fighting terror — there’s not much upside to risking military action or a big peace initiative that could be messy, costly, and worst of all seen as a failure. In political terms, Obama’s Middle East policy has been pretty successful — killing Osama bin Laden and whacking al Qaeda operatives from one end of the planet to the other, getting out of Iraq, and taking out Muammar al-Qaddafi without owning a mess in Libya. Other issues — Israeli-Palestinian peace or the Arab spring turned winter — really don’t matter much in terms of the election, unless of course the president stumbles….

Can The World Survive Washington’s Hubris?
By: Paul Craig Roberts| June 28, 2012

When President Reagan nominated me as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy, he told me that we had to restore the US economy, to rescue it from stagflation, in order to bring the full weight of a powerful economy to bear on the Soviet leadership, in order to convince them to negotiate the end of the cold war. Reagan said that there was no reason to live any longer under the threat of nuclear war.

The Reagan administration achieved both goals, only to see these accomplishments discarded by successor administrations. It was Reagan’s own vice president and successor, George Herbert Walker Bush, who first violated the Reagan-Gorbachev understandings by incorporating former constituent parts of the Soviet Empire into NATO and taking Western military bases to the Russian frontier.

The process of surrounding Russia with military bases continued unabated through successor US administrations with various “color revolutions” financed by the US National Endowment for Democracy, regarded by many as a front for the CIA. Washington even attempted to install a Washington-controlled government in Ukraine and did succeed in this effort in former Soviet Georgia, the birthplace of Joseph Stalin.

The President of Georgia, a country located between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, is a Washington puppet. Recently, he announced that former Soviet Georgia is on schedule to become a NATO member in 2014.

Those old enough to remember know that NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, was an alliance between Western Europe and the US against the threat of the Red Army overrunning Western Europe. The North Atlantic is a long, long ways from the Black and Caspian Seas. What is the purpose of Georgia being a NATO member except to give Washington a military base on the Russian underbelly?

The evidence is simply overwhelming that Washington–both parties–have Russia and China targeted. Whether the purpose is to destroy both countries or merely to render them unable to oppose Washington’s world hegemony is unclear at this time. Regardless of the purpose, nuclear war is the likely outcome.

The presstitute American press pretends that an evil Syrian government is murdering innocent citizens who only want democracy and that if the UN won’t intervene militarily, the US must in order to save human rights. Russia and China are vilified by US functionaries for opposing any pretext for a NATO invasion of Syria.

The facts, of course, are different from those presented by the presstitute American media and members of the US government. The Syrian “rebels” are well armed with military weapons. The “rebels” are battling the Syrian army. The rebels massacre civilians and report to their media whores in the West that the deed was done by the Syrian government, and the Western presstitutes spread the propaganda.

Someone is arming the “rebels” as obviously the weapons can’t be purchased in local Syrian markets. Most intelligent people believe the weapons are coming from the US or from US surrogates.

So, Washington has started a civil war in Syria, as it did in Libya, but this time the gullible Russians and Chinese have caught on and have refused to permit a UN resolution like the one the West exploited against Gaddafi.

Guardian (GB): Military intervention in Syria would be disastrous for its people
2012-07-03, Sami Ramadani

Syrians opposed to intervention are ignored by a de facto alliance against the Shia ‘crescent’ between the US, Saudi Arabia, Israel and al-Qaida… It is opposition by the “crescent” to hegemony by the US and Israel, rather than religion or human rights, that worries Washington and its dictatorial allies in the region. For it wasn’t very long ago that the Saudi rulers bankrolled the so-called “Alawite-Shia” regime of former Syrian president Hafez al-Assad and had good relations with “Shia” Iran under the shah’s dictatorship…..

US general Wesley Clerk, the former supreme commander of allied forces in Europe, once revealed that within weeks of the 9/11 terrorist atrocity the then secretary of defence Donald Rumsfeld described how “we’re going to take out seven countries in ..

Syria: Torture Centers Revealed
For 27 Detention Sites: Locations, Commanders’ Names, Torture Metho

(New York, July 3, 2012) – Former detainees and defectors have identified the locations, agencies responsible, torture methods used, and, in many cases, the commanders in charge of 27 detention facilities run by Syrian intelligence agencies,…

Daily Mail (GB): ‘We took their fingernails out with pliers and we made them eat them. We made them suck their own blood off the
2012-07-03

Human Rights Watch report released as Syrian President Bashar Assad says he regrets the shooting down of a Turkish jet by his forces last month Group says tens of thousands of people had been detained across Syria by intelligence agencies Detainees …

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151. Alan said:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/05/249423/nato-begins-mission-in-mediterranean-sea/
NATO warships move into Mediterranean Sea: Report
A convoy of NATO warships has left Turkey for the Mediterranean Sea purportedly to carry out anti-terrorism operations in the region, a report says.
According to a July 5 report published by the Turkish Hurriyet Daily, the Standing NATO Maritime Group 2 set off from Istanbul.
The group consists of Turkey’s TCG Gediz, France’s Courbet and Germany’s Bayern warships and the three frigates have a total of 545 crew members on board, with Germany leading the mission.
German Rear Admiral Thorsten Kahler said on Wednesday that the mission of the maritime group is “to give a clear message to terrorists in the region that NATO is on duty.”
“We are not telling our whole schedule, but we will stay in the region.”
Kahler said the anti-terrorism mission is “the only Article 5 mission of NATO so far.”
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty of NATO says the member states “agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all.”../../..

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July 5th, 2012, 7:56 am

 

152. Alan said:

Assad blames Syria unrest on “outside forces”
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_07_05/Assad-blames-Syria-unrest-on-outside-forces/

In his interview to the Turkey’s Cumhuriyet paper, Syria’s embattled president Bashar al-Assad has blamed the ongoing unrest on foreign radicals, saying the current situation in Syria has nothing to do with processes inside the country.
According to Mr. Assad, these “outside forces” are pushing through with a three-point plan.

The first step was to organize peaceful payup protests.

The next move, said Assad, was to arm Syrian regions to help them “liberate themselves” as it was the case with Libya’s Benghazi – an attempt foiled by the Syrian army.

[…]

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July 5th, 2012, 7:58 am

 

153. Juergen said:

Syrialover

I was in Belarus as part of an effort by the EU to let young students meet up with young belarussian students. I was the only eastgerman in that group and well to me Belarus was like a madmans dream of an stalinist country. It felt like being transported back in time, if you compare Russia and Belarus one can hardly think both countries exist just km away from each other. KGB is still called KGB, big pictures of Stalin still on display, people queuing up for groceries. The belarussian students we met were handpicked and seemed even when we had no formal meetings uptight and very loyal to their ruler. One day we were greeted by the son of Lukashenko( the older one) who was at that time the young fresh face of this last dictatorship of Europe.Funny enough he is until now the head of the olympic comitee( like his friend Udai Hussein was) and is known also for punishing those athletes who could not comply with the medal aspirations of the ruler. Half a year later I was told that Lukashenko had invited Saddam and his family to live in exile in Belarus.

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July 5th, 2012, 8:21 am

 

154. omen said:

amir (5:53pm) i had missed your “fake palestinians” comment earlier. appalling. you wouldn’t much like it if somebody called you a fake israeli (because your roots are really european) would you? how could you deny someone their identity, thus their humanity?

and you rejected bronco’s kind offer to be welcome to a free palestine. that was poor manners. do you routinely knock out of someone’s hand when they try to offer you a gift? even if you don’t intend on accepting it, do have the good graces to thank the person for making the offer in the first place. dismaying to see olive branches offered to be stomped on the ground instead.

(wait, bronco was kind?)

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July 5th, 2012, 8:24 am

 

155. Shami said:

Why no Kandahar is silent when his [Edit by Moderator] Bashar bombs churches and their librairies that have been preserved by our parents for centuries !

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July 5th, 2012, 8:31 am

 

156. ann said:

Warmongering British Empire Declares War On Syria!!

William Hague: action on Syria possible without support of Russia and China

William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, has said that Britain would be prepared to take action to resolve the conflict in Syria without the support of Russia and China.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/9378241/William-Hague-action-on-Syria-possible-without-support-of-Russia-and-China.html

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July 5th, 2012, 8:35 am

 

157. zoo said:

China and Russia : Niet to Laurent Fabius FOS theatrical meeting

http://news.yahoo.com/west-trying-distort-syria-deal-says-russia-032828655.html

China joined Russia on Thursday in boycotting a “Friends of Syria” meeting aimed at coordinating efforts to stop violence in the country, where three senior regime officers are among the latest to be killed.

In Beijing, foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin told reporters China would not attend the Paris gathering on Friday.

“(China) at present does not consider attending the meeting,” he told reporters.

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July 5th, 2012, 8:46 am

 

158. Juergen said:

NEWS!

wikileaks is publishing millions of emails from the ASSAD regime!

Today, Thursday 5 July 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing the Syria Files – more than two million emails from Syrian political figures, ministries and associated companies, dating from August 2006 to March 2012.

This extraordinary data set derives from 680 Syria-related entities or domain names, including those of the Ministries of Presidential Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Finance, Information, Transport and Culture.

Over the next two months, ground-breaking stories derived from the files will appear in WikiLeaks (global), Al Akhbar (Lebanon), Al Masry Al Youm (Egypt), ARD (Germany), Associated Press (US), L’Espresso (Italy), Owni (France) and Publico.es (Spain). Other publications will announce themselves closer to their publishing date.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said: “The material is embarrassing to Syria, but it is also embarrassing to Syria’s opponents. It helps us not merely to criticise one group or another, but to understand their interests, actions and thoughts. It is only through understanding this conflict that we can hope to resolve it.”

At this time Syria is undergoing a violent internal conflict that has killed between 6,000 and 15,000 people in the last 18 months. The Syria Files shine a light on the inner workings of the Syrian government and economy, but they also reveal how the West and Western companies say one thing and do another.

The range of information extends from the intimate correspondence of the most senior Baath party figures to records of financial transfers sent from Syrian ministries to other nations.

[…]

http://wikileaks.org/Syria-Files.html

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July 5th, 2012, 8:56 am

 

159. zoo said:

What were the Turkish trucks bringing in Syria? Tomatoes?

Syrian military fires on Turkish trucks

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-military-fires-on-turkish-trucks.aspx?pageID=238&nID=24809&NewsCatID=341

Syrian soldiers destroyed five Turkish cargo trucks yesterday in Aleppo’s Azez neighborhood with arms fire, daily Milliyet reported.

The trucks’ drivers managed to escape and reached the Turkish border with the help of members of Syria’s opposition.

“Syrian soldiers fired on our vehicles. Five trucks were burned,” the drivers said. “The Syrian opposition helped us to cross to Turkey by bringing us to the border.”

July/05/2012

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July 5th, 2012, 8:57 am

 

160. omen said:

151. TARA said: (via the defected tv reporter) : “The Syrian nation is a simple nation. They believe whoever smiles at them on TV and they believe whoever cries. God help the Syrian nation.”
….

is it really that simple? are the syrian people so gullible? i don’t believe it. isn’t there still a range of alternative media syrians can avail themselves to apart from regime media?

that recently defected alawi activist said even within the alawite community, half know the regime is lying.

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July 5th, 2012, 9:03 am

 

161. irritated said:

#160 Juergen

Two millions emails make a good and boring summer reading.

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July 5th, 2012, 9:03 am

 

162. omen said:

110. GHUFRAN said: Syria is being torn apart in front of our eyes but one poster,non Syrians I believe, is still interested in a map with the number of dead Syrians per province,this is a form of necrophilia.

no, this is called holding bashar accountable.

or would you rather have all of the war crimes the regime has committed be swept under the rug, uncounted and ignored?

your disinterest in hard numbers echoes the pentagon’s when asked about the number of iraqis murdered, general franks dismissively replied “we don’t body counts.”

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July 5th, 2012, 9:39 am

 

163. bronco said:

#162 Omen

is it really that simple? are the syrian people so gullible?

The american people beat everybody in gullibility. Their leaders know that well.
As for Amir, he represents the typical good hearted Jewish Israeli: Torn.

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July 5th, 2012, 9:44 am

 

164. zoo said:

Boosted by the Geneva aggrement, it appears that the UN mission in Syria is not dead, quite the contrary

Chief of UN observers says his mission to be consolidated with “Team Sites”
English.news.cn 2012-07-05 18:05:51

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-07/05/c_131697690.htm

“We are consolidating the mission to enable better support to the Syrian people in the coming days,” Mood said, adding that “we will reinforce our presence into regional team sites to give us, once our operations resume, the flexibility to effectively work on facilitating political dialogue and stability projects.”

“In the next week we will consolidate our 8 local team site locations into regional ones,” Mood said, adding that “the mission will relocate personnel and assets from Hama, Idlib and Tartous to boost our presence in other locations.”

Mood stressed that “this consolidation will not affect the mission’s current mandate or the total deployed personnel.”

Mood made it clear that “Now, we are in a situation in which we have contacts and knowledge, but we have no ceasefire. So it is time to stop spreading ourselves out too thin and restructure in a way that will allow us once we resume our activists.”

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July 5th, 2012, 9:53 am

 

165. zoo said:

The Westerm media is weighing if the regional “spinoffs” of Al Qaeeda can go full blast, the Iraqi way, or are just aiming at local wars.

By William Maclean

LONDON | Thu Jul 5, 2012 10:11am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/05/us-security-qaeda-idUSBRE86408D20120705

(Reuters) – Osama bin Laden would not have approved.

Spinoff groups from al Qaeda have become increasingly engrossed in insurgencies in Africa and the Middle East, inflicting death and mayhem on local communities. But this emphasis on the pursuit of the enemy nearby has cast doubt on their commitment, in practice, to bin Laden’s war on the “far enemy” – the West and the United States in particular.
….
An influx into Syria of fighters hardened by attacking U.S. troops in Iraq has alarmed Western governments. They also fear that sophisticated weapons may fall into the hands of rebel groups, including al Qaeda, that may threaten Western interests

But the influx has also prompted some analysts to raise the prospect of a repeat of al Qaeda’s experience in Iraq.

“I see the same thing happening in Syria,” said Camille Tawil, a historian of Islamist armed groups and writer for al-Hayat newspaper. He said a shadowy militant group called Jebhat al-Nusra, which has claimed mass killings, was alienating the majority of the Syrian opposition.

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July 5th, 2012, 11:35 am

 

166. irritated said:

#156 Ann

“Decaying” British Empire Declares War On Syria!!

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July 5th, 2012, 11:37 am

 

167. zoo said:

Stopping the western media hysteria,
Russian FM says no plans to grant asylum to Assad

http://www.rt.com/news/line/2012-07-05/#id33783

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov .. described this as “an unscrupulous attempt to mislead serious people dealing with foreign politics or failure to understand what… Russia’s position is.” Lavrov stressed that “only the Syrian people can decide on Syria’s fate, including the fate of its leaders.”

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July 5th, 2012, 11:41 am

 

168. zoo said:

Who said that Jordan closed its borders to Syrian refugees?

Mass influx of Syria refugees reaches Jordan

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/mass-influx-of-syria-refugees-reaches-jordan-1.1045142

Dubai: Up to 5,000 Syrians have sought refuge in Jordan over the past week from the bloodshed in their country, in a possible prelude to a largescale influx, the UN refugee agency said on Thursday.

UN urges Jordan to open camp for Syrian refugees
There are estimates of an average of 400 Syrians crossing into Jordan daily
July 3, 2012, 4:55 pm

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) — Jordan must open a refugee camp for thousands of Syrians fleeing the fighting in their country, a U.N. official said Tuesday, just hours after another 1,000 crossed the border.

The appeal from Andrew Harper, the U.N. refugee agency’s representative to Jordan, came during a sudden spike in numbers, adding to 140,000 Syrians already in the country.

For now, though, a new camp remains unused because of Jordan’s desire not to anger its powerful Syrian neighbors.

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July 5th, 2012, 11:54 am

 

169. bronco said:

Are the Syrian refugees an asset or a liability?

The increased flux of Syrian refugees fleeing Syria is claimed in the media and by the opposition as an defeat for the Syrian government and a sign of the collapse of the state.
Yet in my view, this flux of civilians fleeing the ‘hot’ areas ( 70% of Syria according to Ryad Al Assaad) to Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon is an advantage for the Syrian army that feels free to attack the areas in the hands of the armed rebels and get hold of them.
The neighboring countries are spending millions to host the refugees and they are exposing themselves to dangers, should some of the refugees are islamist extremists, criminals or spies.

These refugees may end up by staying a long time in exile and many would want to settle there ( especially in Turkey where the economy is booming), creating enormous problems for the host countries.

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July 5th, 2012, 12:08 pm

 
 

171. bronco said:

Juergen

are you pointing out that the regime should be gracious to got rid of unthankful elements of their society?

Not at all, quite the contrary. The people who flee can no more be used as human shields as the ones trapped in Homs.
Some will come back if they feel safe again in their regions.

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July 5th, 2012, 12:25 pm

 

172. Stick To The Truth said:

God save Syria and the Syrians from this folk

Reform by Murder: Extremism Comes to Egypt
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/reform-murder-extremism-comes-egypt

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July 7th, 2012, 5:04 pm

 

173. Stick to the Truth said:

170. Juergen said:

pictures of Homs
Bronco

are you pointing out that the regime should be gracious to got rid of unthankful elements of their society?

You shall know very well what kind of problems and risks mass migration and uncontrolled migration pose to the hosting countries.
You shall also know very the discussion in Germany concerning the migrants from Kosovo, Turkey and arabic countries.

“Deuschland schafft sich ab”

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July 7th, 2012, 5:16 pm

 

174. Stick to the Truth said:

#159 ZOO

What were the Turkish trucks bringing in Syria? Tomatoes?

No, pomegranate!!!

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July 7th, 2012, 5:38 pm

 

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