News Round Up (5 July 2011)

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On Saturday, President Bashar al-Assad fired the governor of Hama in an effort to calm the protesters, after more than 100,000 protesters gathered.  According to a state-run news agency, SANA,  protesters viewed Assad’s move to fire Governor Ahmed Abdul-Aziz as an attempt to “weed out” weak links in his ruling system. A “better-organized” antigovernment movement dismissed new refroms from the Syrian government, including a national dialogue.

U.S. Urges Change in Syria: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said “the Syrian Government is running out of time” for dialogue and reform, the recent opposition meeting was insufficient, and the regime must stop violence and begin reforms. Ambassador Robert Ford described the opposition meeting as “positive.” State Department Spokesman Mark Toner reiterated the importance of Ford’s presence in Syria. In addition, Mark Toner said that the U.S. wants the Assad regime to continue to engage in dialogue with the opposition.  And Spokesperson Victoria Nuland said that Turkey should continue to leave its borders open and create a buffer zone for refugees. The Guardian reported the State Department has been “discreetly encouraging discussion” of an unpublished roadmap for reform, circulated at the opposition meeting.

Controversy over Kucinich’s Visit to Syria: The Washington Post and Yaser Tabbara criticized Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) for meeting with President Bashar al-Assad and ostensibly lending his regime legitimacy. Kucinich defended himself, while he appeared to support reforms led by Assad rather than an “unknown, unstable future,” and called for a withdrawal of forces. The White House said Kucinich’s trip was not authorized by the administration, and a State Department spokesperson said his visit was at the invitation of the Syrian government.

Analysts Discuss Syrian Tipping Points: Hugh Macleod and Annasofie Flamand described Aleppo as crucial for the protest movement. Paul Notar discussed the regime’s declining ability to use the Palestinian issue as a vent for domestic political anger. The New York Times described the growing success of youth opposition groups. NPR reported that while Syrians do not want civil war, sectarian tensions are high.

U.S. Admiral Samuel Locklear reportedly said that NATO is trying to kill Muammar Gadhafi, and a small force of ground troops may be necessary after his removal.

Israel’s MI chief sees hope for Assad yet – JPost

Military Intelligence chief says Syrian president promoting worthwhile reform packages, retaining loyalty of army; also notes Iranian role in ‘Nakba’, Naksa’ Day border riots as well as Tehran’s influence over Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood
07.05.11

Military Intelligence chief Major-General Aviv Kochavi said Tuesday Iranian influence was growing in Middle Eastern countries experiencing unrest or upheaval – such as Egypt and Syria.

“Assad understands today that his solution cannot only come from military responses, and that is why he is turning to reform,” Kochavi told the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, referring to the protest-plagued president of Syria.

In Egypt, meanwhile, Tehran is trying to influence the outcomes of elections by tightening relations with the Muslim Brotherhood, the MI chief added.

“We must not belittle the reform package Assad has begun to promote. These reforms regard the improvement of wages, subsidies, and the opening up of more jobs,” Kochavi said.

He added that Bashar Assad’s army has so far remained loyal because soldiers have retained the belief that the suppression of protests is a legitimate way to prevent total rioting.

‘How the Syrian regime is ensuring its demise’

(Robert Malley & Peter Harling, Washington Post) “The Assad regime is counting on a sectarian survival instinct, confident that Alawite troops – however underpaid and overworked – will fight to the bitter end. The majority will find it hard to do so. After enough mindless violence, the instincts on which the regime has banked could push its forces the other way. Having endured centuries of discrimination and persecution from the Sunni majority, Alawites see their villages, within relatively inaccessible mountainous areas, as the only genuine sanctuary. That is where security officers already have sent their families. They are unlikely to believe that they will be safe in the capital (where they feel like transient guests), protected by the Assad regime (which they view as a historical anomaly) or state institutions (which they do not trust). When they feel the end is near, Alawites won’t fight to the last man in the capital. They will go home. The regime still has support from citizens frightened of an uncertain future and security services dreading the system’s collapse. But the breathing space this provides risks persuading a smug leadership that more of the same – half-hearted reforms and merciless efforts to break the protest movement – will suffice. In fact, that will only bring the breaking point closer.It is, even now, hard to assess whether a clear majority of Syrians wish to topple the regime. What is clear, however, is that a majority within the regime is working overtime to accelerate its demise.”

Syria completes draft law on media freedoms
AFP/ Bulent Kilic, 06/07/2011, DAMASCUS, July 6 (RIA Novosti)

Syria vows to ‘overcome protests’ within two months

A special committee, set up in Syria in late May to draft a law on the country’s media, has finished its work, a committee member told RIA Novosti.

The law will soon be considered by members of the national dialog, and a public discussion will follow. If adopted, the law would make Syria the fourth country in the region where authorities scrapped information ministry, after Iraq, Tunisia and Egypt.

“Up until now, a journalist can be sent to prison for an article, which, for example, is seen by censors as “undermining people’s morale. The new law guarantees media freedom. Its second article states that the media enjoys “independence and freedom.” It [media freedom] is limited only by the constitution,” the source said.

The law will set up a special court to deal with all cases related to the media’s freedom and responsibility.

The media law is part of broad political reforms, announced by the Syrian authorities after protests broke out in the south of the country in early March and later spread to other regions.

Human rights groups say more than 1,350 protestors have been killed by security forces since the uprising began. Official reports, which blame “armed terrorists” for the violence, put the death toll at 340 police and servicemen.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of State accused the Syrian government and security forces of “repression and harassment of peaceful demonstrators and opposition members” and called on Syrian authorities to end arrests and withdraw security forces from protest-hit cities.

“We urge the government of Syria to immediately halt its intimidation and arrest campaign, pull its security forces back from Hama and other cities, and allow the Syrian people to express their opinions freely so that a genuine transition to democracy can take place,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

US set to step up Syria sanctions

By Daniel Dombey and Anna Fifield in Washington and Roula Khalaf in London

The US is shifting away from earlier fears that the departure of the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad would fan instability across the Middle East and is preparing to ramp up sanctions against Damascus, particularly in the energy sector.

Although the Obama administration has publicly called for President Assad to embrace reform or “get out of the way”, after more than three months of brutal repression of popular protests, officials are signalling that there is no meaningful prospect of the Syrian leader carrying out reforms and that the only solution could be his departure.

They are also putting greater emphasis on the geopolitical benefit of political change in Damascus, which would be a significant blow to Iran, Syria’s close ally. “Clearly the Iranians see Syria as pivotal,” said a senior administration official. “As that regime comes under greater pressure, it leads to greater concern in Iran.”

“It is increasingly clear that President Assad has made his choice,” Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state, wrote in a recent article in the Arabic language Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. “But while continued brutality may allow him to delay the change that is under way in Syria, it will not reverse it.”

US officials are seeking to broaden sanctions already in place, highlighting the oil and gas sector as the main target, in the hope of driving a wedge between Mr Assad and the country’s merchant class. The theory is that such measures can demonstrate to Syrian business people, who Washington regards as powerful and well connected to the security apparatus, that Mr Assad can no longer deliver the stability they seek.

This week the US also imposed measures against Syria’s Political Security Directorate.

Still, the Obama administration remains reluctant to declare publicly that Mr Assad has lost legitimacy and should leave office, for fear that such a declaration would cast a spotlight on the US’s limited ability to eject the Syrian leader and so distract attention from human rights abuses.

US officials also privately maintain that countries such as Turkey will have much greater influence than Washington over the final outcome in Syria. They say a pronouncement that Mr Assad should go by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s prime minister, could have a devastating effect on the Syrian leader.

But while Turkey, which has developed close ties to the Syrian regime in recent years, has become more critical of Mr Assad, diplomats say it is not willing yet to give up on him. Instead it is raising the pressure on him to implement credible reforms.

The hardening of the US position comes as the Syrian regime seeks to regain the initiative, allowing a group of intellectuals and opposition activists to hold a meeting in Damascus this week and insisting in official statements that it is serious about introducing political reforms.

The government has also allowed a handful of foreign journalists into the country and has been putting forward its own narrative of events – that the violence is being perpetrated not by its own forces firing at protesters but by armed groups attacking the Syrian military. Diplomats say there have been armed elements in the uprising but most protesters remain peaceful.

Over the past few weeks, moreover, the Syrian army has been withdrawing from some cities and towns, where protests are continuing. Opposition activists say the government is losing control of these areas, which include the city of Hama. But diplomats say it could be attempting to test the ground and see whether it can tolerate some demonstrations, which would help slow both domestic and international pressure.

Ihab Makhlouf Resigns from Board of Listed Company (Syria Report)

Ihab Makhlouf has resigned from his position as vice-Chairman of the Board of Al-Aqeelah Takaful Insurance, a few weeks after the European Union imposed a freeze on his assets and on those of several other Syrian personalities, as well as on “legal persons and entities associated with them,” according to a filing by the company.

New Board, Sanctions, Raise Questions about Future of Cham Holding (Syria Report)

Yesterday Cham Holding, Syria’s largest corporation, elected an entirely new board of directors. However, the company did not elect a new chairman. The move comes only a few weeks after the company, along with its previous chairman, was put under sanctions by the United States.

Comments (380)


Usama said:

Without armed action, the US is so incredibly weak and Syria demonstrated this very well. For how long have they been saying that Bashar “almost” lost his legitimacy or that he’s “running out of time”?

It’s like saying: “Leave Iran and HA on the count of 3, OR ELSE! 1… 2… 2 and a half…. I said OR ELSE!… 2 and three quarters… I MEAN IT!!… 2 and four fifths… you’re gonna be sooooorrrryyyyy!… 2 and nine tenths…. damn it don’t you get it!… 2.95… 2.999… you’re running out of time, don’t you see!… 2.999… 2.999…”

They’re stuck. They have nowhere to go. I was cheering for Obama to say Bashar lost legitimacy back in April because he would have thoroughly humiliated himself, but he didn’t do it! 🙁

July 5th, 2011, 10:35 pm

 

Abughassan said:

The conditions at refugee camps in Turkey are appalling,and I am not surprised. turkey may be hinting that it wants those refugees to go back,and more than 4,000 did just that.
Turkey will pay new attention to the camps only if there are gains to be made,the Turks are not in the mood for giving freebies. Turkey that could not feed few thousand refugees is giving $300 million to the rebels in Libya and recognizing them as the “legitimate ” reps of the Libyan people,why ? Answer: oil contracts and a foothold in northern Africa .
Expect a major shift in Turkey’s rhetoric as soon as they discover that the regime in Syria is likely to survive this uprising. Syrians who are fantasizing about an Ottoman return are in a state of denial,only Syrians will build Syria and bring it out of this crisis .

July 5th, 2011, 11:03 pm

 

Samara said:

USAMA,

Bahar al Assad has not lost his legitimancy. He never will. Armed interferance by the US??! That will just screw things over even more. Armed US means war. Plain and simple. It wont do any good. And when Bashar emerges the victor, what would the US have achieved? Other than destroying lives and a great country? The US should just shove its opinions and sanctions up their ass because thats where they belong. All America wants to do is destroy the Arab world. They dont care about you, me or any other arab. We are just things to them. They would rather save a dogs life than an arabs. Their sanctions are just a method of ruining things. They will not succeed. We will. Bashar will.

July 5th, 2011, 11:49 pm

 

daleandersen said:

Memo to: USAMA and ABUGHASSAN and SAMARA

RE: “…Bashar’s running out of time and HA! & the regime is likely to survive & Bashar has not lost his legitimancy and never will…”

Dream on, idiots. The longer this thing drags out, the less likely Dictator Pencilneck will survive. He needs to get out in front of the revolution AND lead it OR it will eat him up. Unfortunately, he seems to have a bunker mentality, which probably means he’ll be buried alive.

http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/06/stuck-in-damascus-with-memphis-blues.html

July 6th, 2011, 12:22 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

They don’t even stand a chance of winning militarily as an attack on Syria by the US or its allies will be interpreted by Iran as an attack on them. Can they fight that many fronts? How long can they survive with the Hormuz sealed shut? How many of their gulfies will be fried? They know this will attract reinforcements from Russia and China as neither of them will let them “strike the dominos” down.

The USAns are arsonists and as USAMA has written, they are powerless without actually starting a war. All this drumming up is leading them no where, they’re just trying to encourage the idiots on the grounds of Syria who want to jump up and down like monkeys in order to attract attention and an assault on Syria. Traitors, all of them. The time for demonstration has long passed, now is the time for dialog, but no, they continue to behave like monkeys.

Utterly disgusting.

July 6th, 2011, 12:24 am

 

Samara said:

DUMBASSANDERSON,

Thant song or poem actually made me laugh. Lets hope you suffer the same fate as that dog. Sorry to breack your heart, but im going to anyway…Bashar will emerge stronger and the victor. He is as legitimate as ever. Try not to cry too loudly.

July 6th, 2011, 1:05 am

 

Jad said:

Dear Usama,
that was very funny!

July 6th, 2011, 1:12 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

I can’t wait to see the looks on these jerk’s faces when they realise their racist vomit has actually hurt their cause not helped it. We should be happy that FAIL Anderson is putting out all this bullcrap about Syria. Just brings more people to the truth, just like a3r3our and friends.

July 6th, 2011, 1:13 am

 

Abughassan said:

I am not interested in any exchange with any non Syrian blogger except those who display genuine affection for the great motherland and bring constructive views to the table,for the rest I say القافله تسير و الكلاب تعوي (I used this proverb for years,I did not steal it from walid almouallem which I actually like 🙂 )

July 6th, 2011, 1:35 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

I have met someone from Aleppo who told me that Aleppine are depending moe and more on flying to go to Damascus due to there cars being targeted by revolutionists.
If somebody asked me befor all this started:I would have definitely guessed that Aleppo would be the first one to rise.Aleppo has proven to be the wisest state in Syria.Dara is Syria yahoda’s.Hama is Syria’s drunk teenager boy.Homs is the sone which every one thought was very healthy,but unfortunately had big testicular cancer.Edlib is the daughter who tried to have illegal relation with the neighbor,and had to have few lashes to stop prostitution .Alhasaka was the neglected daughter which was always not treated well ,but when mom got sick she decided to stay by here,until she gets better,they will work out thinks later.Damascus is the oldest boy in the house who is trying to keep all the kids in line,he is worried about all of them,but they don’t ,if it was’t for him,the whole family would have been HOMELESS.

July 6th, 2011, 1:36 am

 

louai said:

Dear Syria no kandahar @ 10

beautiful post

July 6th, 2011, 1:46 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

SNK,

Great post… indeed it turned out that Allepo was the best!

By the way, look at this poison from angry jarab:

“Aljazeera is reporting that one billion Syrians took to the street in Hama.
Syrian regime TV reports that one billion Syrians took to the street in Damascus in support of Bashshar.”

Al khanzeera has been caught lying time and time again and yet he compares it to the accuracy of the Syrian news. They’ve never exaggerated the numbers on the anti-conspiracy side. What a joke you are, you old “socialist anarchist”. It’s time to retire and let young thinkers take the helm.

July 6th, 2011, 1:51 am

 

Jad said:

SNK,
You should have your own radio/TV show, what you write is hilarious.
I liked Edleb 🙂

July 6th, 2011, 1:53 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBa8ZOAFBOA

Everyone who attended this meeting is tainted forever.

July 6th, 2011, 2:17 am

 

Samara said:

Syrian Commando,

When did this take place?

July 6th, 2011, 2:31 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

2 days ago (Monday)!

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/07/05/356757.htm


PARIS, (SANA) – The Lebanese newspaper As-Safir on Tuesday said that the meeting held on Monday at Cinema St. Germaine in Paris under the name of “popular movement in Syria” was organized by La Regle du Jeu (The Rule of the Game) magazine and website which is headed by Bernard-Henri Levy, one of the staunchest defenders of Israel along with other French figures that can only be described as Israel’s friends in France.

The meeting was attended by Syrian opposition figures including members of Antalya Conference executive office Omar al-Azem, Ahd al-Hini, Abdel Ilah Melhem, Lama Atassi, Ammar al-Qorabi, Sundos Souleyman et Adib al-Chichakli.

The article pointed out that former French Minister of Foreign Affairs Bernard Kouchner, who was one of Israel’s biggest supporters in the French Ministry, was present, alongside other defenders of Israel such as philosopher Andre Glucksman, Frederic Encel who is known for his racist anti-Arab stances, and other pro-Israel figures, in addition to former Israeli Knesset member and assistant of Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

The Muslim Brotherhood was also represented at the meeting by Mulham al-Droubi, who is in charge of international affairs in the group.

When asked if he’s bothered by attending an event supported by Zionists and friends of Israel, al-Droubi said that La Regle du Jeu isn’t the only organizer that called for the meeting, adding “what concerns us is that there is a platform.”

The meeting’s goals of destabilizing security in Syria to serve Israel was made quite apparent by Kouchner’s statement, who said that there is a need for weakening Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, and resorted to provoking sectarianism by talking about majorities and minorities in Syria and “the need to protect Christians because they are the ones being killed the most” according to his claims.

Kouchner also called for turning international public opinion against Syria and resorting to the Security Council to find an excuse for a military strike against Syria.

In turn, Bernard-Henri Levy said that La Regle du Jeu will provide space in its magazine and website for “videos from across Syria.” He also vowed to work with Syrian opposition figures to “bring down the regime in Syria” on behalf on the magazine’s editors.

H. Sabbagh

July 6th, 2011, 3:05 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

You are absolutely lost. The probe is the state of things in Syria. There are many like you in Syria.

The saddest thing is not that you believe Bashar is everything and the only solution. The saddest thing is that most of you are not in Syria, you are enjoying your rights and defending a dictatorship for the real syrians in your beloved Syria. You are lost.

Keep so if you want to destroy Syria economics. Imports, exports, tourism and so on.

July 6th, 2011, 3:48 am

 

Samara said:

SANDRO LOEWE,

Who are you? Or, What are you? Since you oppose our support for Bashar, you must be experiencing first hand the “terror” of the regime?! Hmph.

July 6th, 2011, 4:11 am

 

Mawal95 said:

An anti-Syrian said: “The new Syrian media laws are a joke. It is clear that Assad does not plan to grant real freedom of speech.” You’ll be seeing that’s false over the next twelve months. Among the reasons why I know today it’s false today is that (a) the vast majority of Syrians who support the regime want the regime to enact real freedom of speech, (b) the vast majority of Syrians do support the regime, which has the consequence that real freedom of speech is practically harmless to the regime, and (c) the regime has said it’s going to enact real freedom of speech. Quote: “The Prime Minister issued a decision on May 24 on forming a committee of specialists, academics and experts, tasked with drafting a new media law and laying down the necessary mechanisms to reconstruct the national media system. On July 5 the First Draft of the New Media Law has been finalized by the committee and submitted to the Information Minister”. http://www.sana.sy/eng/361/2011/07/05/356508.htm The Draft law is not publicly available yet. It is required to be public on or before July 24.

Now I’ll talk to the pro-Syrians. A member of the drafting committte for the new media law said July 5, as quoted at the above link at sana.sy: “The most salient point in the draft law is the broad freedom granted to journalists, with responsibilities and obligations as to reach a responsible free media…. It requires that the journalist be committed to principles and values of the constitution and law and observe the values of authenticity, ethics and honesty as to preserve the values of society…. The draft law states that media, along with all its types, is independent and free, with nothing restricting it except the constitution.”

That’s sounding like it’s not as liberal as I would like it. The publishers are being required by law to be “responsible” and to “preserve the values of society”. Such a law enables the State to censor. In the country I’m in at the moment (not Syria), the constitution gives the government strong, sweeping censorship powers under the umbrella of “preserving the values of society”. In that country nowadays there is little censorship. In the old days there was a lot of censorship. In the time in between, the law largely didn’t change; rather, the government’s censorship department adopted a different policy about what was necessary for “preserving the values of society”, with no need for new legislation to change the policy. Likewise in Syria, it looks like the media law is going to be dependent, to some degree, on what policy the government adopts in practice about the meaning of the language.

I’ve said before that a liberal media policy, where every schmuck is let speak his mind and publish it, has been a success in every country where it’s been tried. When someone publishes irresponsible trash or something contrary to the good and proper values of society, the great majority of the society ignores it. It can pose no danger to good society because it will be recognized as trash by good society, and rejected, and most of society are good people. We’ve seen that awesomely in Syria over the past few months (i.e. nearly whole world was publishing irresponsible trash about the army shooting at peaceful protesters, while the Syrians, who know their army and their government better than the rest of the world does, could see it was trash).

July 6th, 2011, 4:38 am

 

Mawal95 said:

The opposition people who met in Damascus on Monday 27 June declared that they are “trying to dismantle a corrupt, tyrannical regime” (according to a report at TheNational.ae, linked to by Why-Discuss last week).

Corruption is a vital issue for society, as Bashar has repeatedly said. It’s also an issue that every political party can benefit from being strong on in terms of political image. When a relatively unknown opposition party repeatedly says the establishment is corrupt, this can strengthen the opposition’s public image because it’s implicitly repeating “we are not corrupt ourselves”. However, experience from other developing countries shows that raising corruption accusations ultimately results in failure for the opposition. Here’s what has happened in election contests in other developing countries when the evidence of corruption is disputable, and the challenger alleges corruption, and the incumbent (the one holding power) replies that the allegation is scurrilous. Before the election campaign begins, some percentage of the population is already convinced that corruption is widespread among the incumbent’s top management. This percentage can be found out by taking a poll. When X% polled think corruption is widespread among the incumbent’s top management, then at least X% will vote for the challenger (if the challenger is able to muster a half-attractive overall alternative). When the polled percentage X is not small, then the corruption accusation will be a not-small part of the election debate. But the debate won’t change the minds of the people who are not already in the X%. The incumbent and its defenders will say the rival party’s accusations are scurrilous. Anybody who makes scurrilous accusations is stupid and untrustworthy if not a liar. So the political debate, instead of talking about policies and progress, descends into ugly accusations of bad faith on both sides, and the voters have to figure out who’s telling the truth. Corruption means violation of law. If the accusations of the challenger are true, yet haven’t been prosecuted in the courts, the legal system is corrupt as well. It’s hard for an ordinary decent voter to be convinced that the prosecutors and other law enforcement people, whose job is specifically to enforce the law, are not earnestly trying to do their job. It is hard to believe the government publicly declares its laws are righteous while secretly violating them, with large numbers of government workers involved in coverups, when reliable evidence of the corruption is not available and the people making the accusations have dubious credibility and ulterior motives. If the opposition has less than majority support going into the contest, and it trys to play the corruption card, it won’t gain a majority during the contest. The way to gain the majority is to exclusively talk policies and progress; and maintain the stance that corruption allegations are matters for the courts, not matters for election campaigns.

Over the weekend I watched many interviews with ordinary people in the pro-regime crowds in the streets, as recorded and broadcast by Syrian State TV and Al-Dunya TV (primarily at http://www.youtube.com/user/ARABDZ). I can sense from the human diversity, selfconfidence, enthusiasm, and fluent plain-spokenness of these people that the percentage X defined above must be small, or not big anyway. Diversity was especially impressive.

“People who make ad hominem attacks are scoundrels.”

July 6th, 2011, 4:42 am

 

syrian commando said:

The saddest thing SL, is that you have lost completely and can’t see it. You’re out of touch. Syria is strong, Syrians are strong.

No traitor or spy can harm Syria now.

This conspiracy is the biggest failure in the zionist West’s history! It is certain that the consequences of this attempted coloured revolution will begin to be faced by our enemies by the start of next year.

>When someone publishes irresponsible trash or something contrary to the good and proper values of society, the great majority of the society ignores it. It can pose no danger to good society because it will be recognized as trash by good society, and rejected, and most of society are good people.

Is this really true? Can we not see the full effects of the Frankfurt school “critical theory” in the west, rotting away all semblance of civilisation left there?

In any case, the future is here and indeed, you can see the village idiots are the most viewed people on Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and so on. Whatever the government does in censoring media will have no effect whatsoever. Society all over the place in decline.

Syria has held strong but I’m afraid the signs of fracture will soon begin to appear. As I said, I am not religious but I am certainly not “liberal”. Traditional values are important as we arrived at them through experience, I don’t buy into the neo-liberal program of destroying all we have built for the sake of elusive “freedom”.

Nevertheless you are correct. Just let them speak.

Of all the countries of the world, the only one I trust with free speech is Syria.

July 6th, 2011, 4:56 am

 

Mawal95 said:

“The Syrian Communist Party members stressed that Syria will not bow to the conspiracy plotted by Israel and the USA and will get out of the crisis stronger.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/07/05/356715.htm

“The hands of the United States and Israel are evident in the developments in Syria”, said Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei. http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=243357

I can’t see any evidence supporting that idea and I’ve no clue how the Communist Party and the Ayatollah imagine that the USA and Israel are able to influence the internal situation in Syria.

By the way, this is a good pro-regime channel at Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/ARABDZ

July 6th, 2011, 5:41 am

 

sandro loewe said:

Those so brave american syrians that support dictatorship are helping to destroy the country. Vogue star and reformer presidents may be readinf SC, so since they are not self-made politicians, it is quite probable they follow your analysis.

I think this SC forum is not realistic since most of the people speaking does not know the realities on the ground. And the reality is that all peasant population around Syria is poor and claiming for a better life. And they are the big number in this revolt. There must be intelectuals and leaders who move them but the main core of this revolt must be identified and their problems too.

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July 6th, 2011, 5:48 am

 

Tara said:

For people who repeat the slogan” wallah menhebaks ya Bashar” do they think we don’t believe them so they add Allah to prove it?

July 6th, 2011, 6:00 am

 

Samara said:

SL,

Please enlighten us to your expert knowledge. We would love to know how YOU would know such things, whereas you accuse others of knowing nothing. Are you some worm slithering in the pipes and sewers of the Syrian towns and cities? Is that how you know? Is it because you are experiencing things firts hand? Or is it because you have a hand in the violence of the revolution?

Living outside Syria does not grant us ignorance. We know just as much some who live there. Syria is being victim to conspiracy. It is being targeted because it is not a puppet to the US. Syria is being targeted because it wont put hand in hand with Israel.

This blog is”realistic”. But it is a sham because of animals who keep their eyes wide shut and preach sectarianism and lies as though no one can see that they are lies.

The core of this revolution are not peasants. They are the MB and their co-conspirators.

Allah, Souria ou Bashar.

July 6th, 2011, 6:03 am

 

Samara said:

Tara,

Your soo funny that i forgot to laugh.

WALLAHHHHH MENHEBAK YA BASHAR!!!
WALLAH, WALLAH, WALLAH!!!!

July 6th, 2011, 6:05 am

 

Tara said:

Anyone,

Is the livelihood of the Libanese Shiaa and Hizboullah contingent upon blue-eyed president staying in power?

Can Hizboulah sustain it’s power with a new Syrian government that might not play the same role it’s playing now in foreign politics?

Are we going to witness the demise of Hizboullah as it exists now with regime change?

Can Hizboullah continue to get material support from Iran without Syria being in the middle?

July 6th, 2011, 6:11 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

TARA’s primary purpose here is to pretend to be a (in reality willfully) ignorant person who keeps asking about sects and trying “shake things up” with retarded premise.

Anyone who says the following is a traitor:

– Army is killing civilians randomly
– Hezbollah is helping army
– Iran is helping army

Anyone trying to mix up the people defending against this attack on Syria, with those who primarily support of Hezbollah (which any decent human being would support, given their successful struggle against Israel) or Iran, is a traitor and a seditionist sectarian.

Your “revolution” has failed, it is time to stop the treachery, your views are apparent to all with their eyes open. Be warned, Syrians do not forget.

July 6th, 2011, 6:28 am

 

syau said:

Syria no Kandahar,

That is one interesting family you’ve described.

Syrian commando #28, spot on.

NATO War Crimes: Depleted Uranium Found in Libya by Scientists
by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25510

“The U.S. and NATO are using “dirty bombs” in Libya. These are the countries that claim that Iran and Syria are attempting to make nuclear weapons. So far, however, it is these very same countries that are using weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and use nuclear technology in an irresponsible and criminal manner. An international war crimes tribunal is in order. The Obama Administration, Nicolas Sarkozy, David Cameron, and NATO cannot be allowed to stand with impunity.”

July 6th, 2011, 6:41 am

 

Tara said:

Syrian Commando,

Thanks for your insight into my inner psych.

Your answer is still not good enough for me. Hopefully I won’t get that deep of a reply (pretend, ignorant, retarded, traitor, seditionist, sectarian, treachery)from other commentators.

July 6th, 2011, 6:43 am

 

AKbar Palace said:

Who “failed”?

Your “revolution” has failed…

SC,

Whether the “revolution” has failed or not, the credibility of the Syrian government is at an all-time low.

As if the history of the Hama massacres was ancient memory, it has now resurfaced and has begun to repeat itself.

The world is modernizing. People are crying for freedom, and Jr. is fighting this change instead of promoting it.

This is what I see as an outsider. More than the revolution failing, I think most would agree that Baathism is failing. The genie is out of the bottle.

July 6th, 2011, 6:48 am

 

Tara said:

Syau,

“28 is spot on”

There is no one coherent sentence in #28

Blind support makes you lose credibility. Really!

Argue the question ( or don’t) but don’t restore to name calling. It is just low.

July 6th, 2011, 6:57 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

SYRIA COMMANDO SAID:

Anyone who says the following is a traitor:

– Army is killing civilians randomly
– Hezbollah is helping army
– Iran is helping army

CONGRATULATIONS BOY.

I agree with you what must be said is:

– Moukhabarat, Shabiha and Junud Al Assad are killing civilians randomly
– Hezbollah is helping Moukhabarat, Shabiha and Junud Al Assad
– Iran is helping Moukhabarat, Shabiha and Junud Al Assad

July 6th, 2011, 6:58 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Anyone agreeing with selective assassinations and tortures proposed by Syria Comando is a TRAITOR.

JUST BECAUSE Syria Comando IS A TRAITOR TOO.

Syria Commando is a traitor to the land of their parents and ancestors.

July 6th, 2011, 7:01 am

 

Samara said:

Jewish Palace,

You continue to prove what willfully ignorant people the revolutionaries and the zionists are. Before i go on, i say please put your glasses on and read what i write carefully, and shave your mostacheless beard, because it affetcs what little brain you have. Ok: you say that Bashar is standing against freedom? His new laws for media, his abolition of emergency law, his releasing of political prisoners, his allowing of “peaceful demonstrations”… Mate, i suppose that on its own proves your outside observing is wrong.

Baathism is not falling. The revolution is falling. People are can see the lies of the revolution. People can see the fabrications of the revolution. People can see the bloodyness and violence of the revolution. You and your pathetic blood-sucking Israel and America will one day fall. The revolution has already gotten old. People are not as dumb as you and the criminals thought they were. Just by accusing the Syrian regime for the crimes of the revolution, it doesnt mean that people will shut their eyes and stop asking questions. Obviously this excludes morons who want to believe lies.

The revolution is on the verge of extinction.

July 6th, 2011, 7:06 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#30

Complete psychoanalysis will cost $50/hr. That’s the best I can do for free. 🙁

#34

LOL, you’re not even Syrian so you can’t be a traitor. I bet you also believe:

– Martians, Elvis Presley and Joseph Stalin are killing civilians randomly
– Hezbollah is helping People Liberation Army, Iranian Guard of the Revolution and Mexican crime gangs
– Iran is helping the Large Hadron Collider black hole generator, Fukushima Earth quake machine and perpetual motion devices.

I bet you have a red and yellow stripe hat with small helicopter blades on the top.

#35

“shave your mostacheless beard, because it affetcs what little brain you have”

Hahaha, it really is ugly isn’t it. >_<

July 6th, 2011, 7:09 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>There is no one coherent sentence in #28

Are you sure you understand English correctly?

Maybe I should have typed it for you in Hebrew…

July 6th, 2011, 7:23 am

 

syau said:

Tara,

If I may, I’ll add to Syrian commando’s comments,

-Anyone who advocates foreign interference in Syria is a traitor.

-Anyone who claims to be Syrian, care for Syria and its people or have family in Syria and endorses the collapse of the Syrian economy is a traitor.

For someone who began their first post by calling someone who had some of the most balanced views retarded, to say that name calling is low is really rich.

Isn’t supporting this revolution, with all the violence it eludes and stating that you don’t believe there are armed gangs within the revolution blind support?

Syrian commando, #37, lol.

July 6th, 2011, 7:24 am

 

Tara said:

Akbar palace,

Have you noticed that you get no “substance” just ” style” from most regime supporters?

Their style is boring me. It have not changed over the last 3 montn.

May be they should attend a course run by Asma so she can infuse some enhanced western elements. After all that is why Bashar married her. For rich and style, I guess.

Commando,

Must admit you are really funny. Can you share your education background or this is too
personal?

July 6th, 2011, 7:28 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

When you have no argument then you turn to SURREALIST SCHOOL? Nice.

Just one observations, if we delete all insults and emotional uncotrolled expressions from this SC, we would find that supporters lose too much ground.

Do you think that by insulting you will get something. This maybe works inside jails but not in the real world outside.

I could send you a lot of bad words I think you deserve but this is not my style. There is a universal law that says that all your bad acts will turn against you.

Last but not least, I am a syrian and much more aware of what is going on than you american syrian.

So, good night and good luck.

July 6th, 2011, 7:29 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

THIS ANSWER IS TO SYRIA COMMANDO, TRAITORS AND CO.

When you have no argument then you turn to SURREALIST SCHOOL? Nice.

Just one observations, if we delete all insults and emotional uncotrolled expressions from this SC, we would find that supporters lose too much ground.

Do you think that by insulting you will get something. This maybe works inside jails but not in the real world outside.

I could send you a lot of bad words I think you deserve but this is not my style. There is a universal law that says that all your bad acts will turn against you.

Last but not least, I am a syrian and much more aware of what is going on than you american syrian.

July 6th, 2011, 7:30 am

 

Tara said:

Syau,

I am getting tired of this. Where did I support foreign intervention? Where did I discuss economy? Calling a view, balanced is a subjective not objective judgement. I would be interested in reading psychoanalysis about the person behind Syau. You don not restore to meaningless insults in your own words but you do not hesitate to condone it and admire it profoundly. You sound reasonable and decent ( albeit of completely opposing views to mine ) yet your. ” spot on” and admiration at times to very low language is a bit puzzling.

July 6th, 2011, 7:40 am

 

Samara said:

SANDRO LOW,

If we take out the lies and fabrications you pro-revolutionaries post on the blog, then there will be no anti- regime comments to read.

July 6th, 2011, 7:42 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Tara,

Frankly, I am at a loss. I really don’t know what to tell you.

Democracy is a WIN/WIN for the ME because it will bring freedom and peace (and I am NOT asking anyone to be “pro-Israel”).

Until then, I’m afraid those seeking modernization are being intimidated by the forces of brutality. It will not be easy. I don’t know what I would do if I was living in Syria. The Syrian demonstrators are more than brave. They are up against a much stronger foe.

July 6th, 2011, 7:45 am

 

Samara said:

Tara,

You’re one to talk. Supporting a bloody revolution is just as equal to encouraging bad language. Your mocking of the regime, Bashar and Asma is quite low. So dont open your mouth if you’re just gonna get huge foot shoved in it.

July 6th, 2011, 7:47 am

 

syau said:

Tara,

I was talking in general. A psychoanalysis is not needed. If I wanted you to know the person behind syau, I would have used my full name.

I will give you some inside information though, I totally support Bashar Assad, I support those who stand by Syria, its president and the Syrian people and I support every country that is standing by Syria during this ‘revolution’ and condemn and boycott those who do not.

I do not support this revolution whatsoever.

July 6th, 2011, 7:53 am

 

Tara said:

Syau,

I am not interested in knowing the person behind Syau just to be clear. I do not mean that in a bad way. I was just commenting on not restoring to non sense vocabularies in one own personal comments yet admiring them through others. That is all.

July 6th, 2011, 8:00 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Tamara,

You talk about Bashar and Asma as if they were your friends. Wake up, wake up. Who are them? The kings of Syria. I do not believe in monarchy but I bieleve even less in dictatorship. If Asma and Bashar can stop the massacre and do not do it then the Oftalmologist that is not and the Vogue star come to disgrace they are criminals too. And this will affect the future of their sons too.

July 6th, 2011, 8:05 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

SL,

The point is, if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Don’t complain about people questioning your motives if the entire basis to your argument is derived from questioning Basha’ar/Asma’s motives. Your argument is essentially either:

– Basha’ar is a puppet
– Basha’ar is insincere

Everyone here can see that this is the reason why you attack Basha’ar so viciously, you probably don’t even hate him. I think your failure stems from the fact that you chose you attack this popular leader instead of attacking those around him. In doing what you’ve done, you’ve managed to rally the nation behind him and his reforms.

It’s even more amusing when you look at people who were somewhat corrupt, who used their relationship with the oligarchy to obtain great wealth, like Rami Makhlouf. Even someone like him, has chosen not to betray his country, he’s spending 550 million Lira building a hospital (spending into economy catalyses activity) as well as repatriating much of his wealth back to Syria.

Meanwhile, you guys are calling for the economic collapse of Syria, as if that would help your cause. Are you idiots to dull to realise that it would not only HURT your cause, but also (if you are indeed Syrian, an allegation I’m not convinced of) hurt your families?

All I hear from your side are problems of the past, not problems of the present or, MOST IMPORTANTLY, SOLUTIONS OF THE FUTURE. None. Zilch. Worst of all, you occupy everyone’s time with your sarcasm, your negativity and discussing which bags you like to buy from Chanel.

You’ve managed to obstruct constructive reform on the ground and constructive dialog on the internet. We have to spend all our time CLEANING UP AFTER YOUR LIES.

While you spend all day lighting fires, we have to spend all our day putting them out.

How’s that for substance?

TARA,

It’s not too personal but I’ll wait until this whole thing boils over. It’ll be quite obvious from the suggestions I have for reforms what my background is in.

July 6th, 2011, 8:26 am

 

Simon said:

#49
Well said !!

July 6th, 2011, 8:59 am

 

Darryl said:

48. SANDRO LOEWE

I will believe you and the others that have similar views, as soon as you start campaigning to remove article 3 from the constitution as well as denouncing that Shariaa is the main judicial reference.

You cannot have democracy and still restrict the religion of the president and still have the Qur’an has the highest law in the land. I believe the late president Assad fought the MB to remove article 3 and he lost the fight in the early 70s. Now, the MB want democracy?

What I find really interesting is that many Muslims living in Australia and other western democratic nations are actually asking to incorporate Shariaa into a democratic constitution. They have left the middle east with all its problems and then they ask for a dictatorship (khalifa) model again as soon as they smell freedom.

July 6th, 2011, 9:16 am

 

Observer said:

I disagree with the news that the Governor of Hama was dismissed to placate the protesters, it was exactly the opposite. He was dismissed for allowing peaceful protests to occur.

The lies of an armed insurrection that is wide and foreign directed are being exposed.

I do not believe that Junior has any control over his brother and over some of the high ranking generals in the country. The pillars of the regime being the Republican Guard, the Baath Party, and the Security Services are battered but not destroyed. The problem is whether they wish to continue to rule over a ruined country; a population that will continue to increase with an economy incapable of supporting basic needs and a military security budget that will only swell over time.

The regime has been given a lot of leeway by its neighbors and even by the West. No one wants a military intervention and no one wants a failed state in this critical part of the world. Seeing that the only organized structure at present is the regime, benefit of the doubt and practical considerations will continue to prevail.

Having said that, the people in Syria have actually given up on any true reforms. After years of lying and obfuscations and promises of better days while crying wolf at every corner have led to a loss of confidence.

Again this is a loss loss situation and I cannot see a favorable outcome for either the opposition or the regime. It is a spiral down to the unknown and to a bleak future.

Here are 10 things Arab democracies should adopt according to Juan Cole, sorry for the long post.

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1. Contemporary political campaigns in the US depend heavily on television commercials. In the UK these ads are restricted, and in Norway they are banned. Consider banning them. But whatever you do, do not let your private television channels charge money for campaign advertisements. Television advertisements account for 80-90 percent of the cost of a senate or presidential campaign in the US, and the next presidential campaign will cost each candidate $1 billion. The only way a candidate can win is to fall captive to the billionaires and their corporations, leaving the people powerless and victimized by the ultra-wealthy. Consider putting a ban on paid radio and television political ads in the constitution, because otherwise if it is only a statute, the wealthy will try to buy the legislature so as to overturn it.

2. Do not hold your elections on work days. America’s robber barons put elections on Tuesdays in order to discourage workers, including the working poor, from voting. In many democracies, the poor do vote, as in India, but in the US they have been largely successfully discouraged from doing so. Policies are therefore mainly made for the wealthy few, ruining the lives of millions of workers. France, in contrast, holds its elections on Sundays. In the first round of the 2007 French presidential election, 84% of the electorate turned out. In contrast, in the hotly contested and epochal 2008 presidential election in the US, the turnout was only 64%.

3. Have compulsory, government-run voter registration at age 18 or whatever the voting age is. Voluntary voter registration, especially when it must be undertaken months before the polls, is just a way of discouraging citizens from voting. This voluntary system is favored by the wealthy and the racists in the United States, who consistently oppose efforts to make it easier to register. Compulsory voter registration is correlated with high electoral turnout.

4. About 32 countries in the world have enforced compulsory voting. In Australia, for instance, you have to pay a small fine if you do not vote in certain elections. Although the sum is small, apparently people don’t want to pay it, and Australia has turnouts as high as 95%. It is important not only to make voting compulsory, but to have some enforcement mechanism such as a fine. It is desirable that as many people vote as possible, and for voting to be compulsory is no more coercive than for military service to be.

5. Make a bill of rights central to your new constitutions, and be specific about what rights people have and what actions infringe against those rights. Include electronic rights to privacy, such as freedom from snooping in private emails or warrantless GPS tracking. You have suffered from intensive secret police spying on your populations, and should know that rights to freedom of speech, worship, press and publication, privacy, a fair and speedy trial, and protection from torture are hallmarks of any democratic system. We have given up most of these essential rights to our secret police, without admitting we have done so and without calling them secret police. But you have lived through domestic surveillance and would easily recognized the violations of individual rights that have become routine in the United States and which are defended by our increasingly corrupt judicial authorities, including a whole series of attorneys-general. Abolish your secret police where they still exist and consider abolishing your intelligence agencies. It is not clear that government intelligence agencies even are very good at gathering intelligence beyond what an intelligent person could conclude from reading the newspapers and maybe doing some site visits. Intelligence agencies have a strong motivation to spy on your own citizens and to violate individual rights to privacy. You’re better off without them, but keep them small and poorly funded if you have to have them.

6. Put separation of religion and state in your national constitutions and make it hard to amend the constitution. I know this piece of advice will probably fall on deaf ears in the Muslim world, but really, you’d be doing yourselves a big favor. If we did not have our First Amendment, our fundamentalists would long since have passed blasphemy and other laws and deprived us of freedom of speech (which they consider a ‘provocation’ just as your fundamentalists do). One of the reasons that Algeria went into civil war from 1992 was that the fundamentalists won a 2/3s majority in that country’s unicameral legislature, which would have been enough to amend the constitution in a theocratic direction. That prospect caused the secular generals to intervene to cancel the election results, which provoked long-term violence. Have elected provincial legislatures and governors, and require that super-majorities of them approve constitutional changes along with supermajorities of the national legislature. Your constituent assemblies have a unique opportunity to fashion new constitutions. Avoid pandering to the fundamentalists, and just make it so the state is neutral on religion and all laws must have a secular purpose. Tunisia, you have the best opportunity here. You only have one chance to put this principle in the foundational document, and to make it as hard as possible to overturn.

7. Keep your defense ministry spending as low as possible consistent with being able to defend your borders. Tunisia, you get this one right. The more you spend on “defense,” the more you create an military-industrial complex that lobbies the government to spend ever more on “defense,” creating a feed-back loop that is almost impossible to disrupt. The US has been at war most of the time since 1941 because it created a vast military-industrial complex from that point forward. We spend more on war-related things than the next 20 or so countries. Not only is that level of expenditure on weaponry wasteful and unnecessary, it is actively pernicious. If you have a lot of nice new shiny weapons, there is an incentive to use them before they become outmoded or before your neighbors catch up. Your militaries have often been dominant and dictatorial forces in your societies. Put them back in their place. Most of you do not even face a credible military threat, and the rest of you could easily make peace with your enemies, which your officer corps have often opposed for selfish reasons. Small armies are the way to go.

8. Avoid allowing your judiciaries to become politicized. Having party-dominated executives and legislatures approve judicial appointments has real drawbacks. In India and now in Pakistan, justices are appointed by other justices. This way of doing things perhaps goes to far in the direction of judicial power, but give some thought to a way of protecting the appointment of judges from party interest. In the US, we now have a Republican-majority Supreme Court, and since the Republican Party mainly looks out for the interests of our 400 billionaires, our constitution is being profoundly distorted. They even declared the billionaires’ corporations to be persons under the law. Never, ever, ever recognize your corporations as persons under the law. You’ll be really sorry if you do.

9. Protect your workers’ unions. Make it illegal to fire workers for trying to unionize. Remove obstacles to unionization. Unions are key to a healthy democracy, and to ensuring that workers get their fair share of the nation’s economic progress. Since about 1970 our unions have gone into a tail-spin and I think only 9% of workers are now unionized in the US. This decline has come from Reagan’s and his successors’ having given implicit permission for corporations to de-unionize. Not coincidentally, since 1970 the average wage of the average American worker in real terms has been just about flat. That means that the super-wealthy have gobbled up all the economic increases in the American economy for the past 40 years. Having a high gini coefficient, that is to say, extremes of wealth and poverty, is highly undemocratic, and we have seen in the US a ratcheting motion whereby the wealthier the top one percent is, the more they are able to engineer further increases in the proportion they hold of the national wealth.

10. Find a way to fight monopoly practices with strong antitrust legislation and enforcement. If you can implement principle #1 above and keep big money out of political campaigns, you might have a chance at good antitrust practices. The US is now ruled by a small number of semi-monopolies, and the Justice Department almost never actually intervenes against monopolistic practices. Recently Comcast, a cable-provision company, was allowed to buy NBC Universal, which is a clear conflict of interest. One of the FCC commissioners who voted for it was only a little while later given a cushy job…at Comcast. Laws against legislators and regulators being hired by the companies they used to regulate would help tell against the entrenchment of the monopolies.

July 6th, 2011, 9:24 am

 

Tara said:

Darryl,
where do you see that we want Shariaa to be the main judicial reference? In between the lines with invisible ink?

July 6th, 2011, 9:26 am

 

syau said:

Darryl,

Not many Muslims, only those with extremist beliefs, and, they are a minority amongst Muslims in western countries.

July 6th, 2011, 9:27 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

DARRYL

Do not worry about me, I am a christian and YES I pro freedom, public and private, and pro democracy. I am totally against religion in public life.

July 6th, 2011, 9:30 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

SYRIA COMMENT

We have been supporting the president for reforms for long long years. We wanted to believe that corruption was going to be destroyed by the Assad. And we are fed up of waiting. He has proven to be a total cheat. Do not cheat yourselves.

July 6th, 2011, 9:36 am

 

Tara said:

Sandro?

Ikhwan Chrtstian?

Iam wondering how you are going to be \”labeled\” by the blind supporters?

July 6th, 2011, 9:37 am

 

Darryl said:

53. Tara said

where do you see that we want Shariaa to be the main judicial reference? In between the lines with invisible ink?

Yes I see the invisible ink. I said, I believe the message when I see a campaign to discuss and remove the reference to article 3 and Shariaa. Two of the reasons why Syria has the present presidential model that you dislike is exactly due to those two issues.

July 6th, 2011, 9:43 am

 

Aboud said:

@52 “I disagree with the news that the Governor of Hama was dismissed to placate the protesters, it was exactly the opposite. He was dismissed for allowing peaceful protests to occur. ”

Something you, me, and everyone else in the country knows.

The governor was highly respected by the people of Hama, but junior cannot stomach, nor tolerate, free and peaceful demonstrations.

“Syrian activist offers account of abduction, beatings”

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/07/05/syria.activist/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

“Syrian soldiers ordered to shoot unarmed civilians, deserter alleges”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=syrian-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-unarmed-civilians-2011-07-06

Syria unrest: ‘Eleven protesters killed in Hama’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14035274

July 6th, 2011, 9:47 am

 

Darryl said:

55. SANDRO LOEWE said:

DARRYL

Do not worry about me, I am a christian and YES I pro freedom, public and private, and pro democracy. I am totally against religion in public life.

Well you better start campaigning for that instead of campaigning to bringdown the government. Otherwise you will be facing the situation where you have the same horse running the race only the jockey has been changed.

Just for the record, I am not a blind “minHibak person”, I am just being objective here.

July 6th, 2011, 9:54 am

 

Tara said:

Darryl,

I hear you. Priority now is a campaign to stop the killings and to curb the thugs. Then, a truly secular government where Shariaa get practiced at home only and not in civil institutions. The dilemma is that, the more this crisis goes on, the higher chance it is to be lost to shariaa or to a western agenda, and obviously supporters just can’t see this.

July 6th, 2011, 9:56 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

For your questions about Hezbollah’s future, you could get some answers at Qifa Nabki blog where most have similar views as yours. Then you won’t have to get angry.

July 6th, 2011, 9:58 am

 

HS said:

I found :
“”

The Syrian opposition members abroad claim to be supporting democracy. Perhaps one needs to remind them that “Freedom of Speech” should be encapsulated in any democracy concept.

I have been using twitter for the last 40 days, and I only started using it to see what is happening in Syria and communicate with my friends and colleagues. To my surprise, however, the #Syria (twitter) seems to be hijacked by a group of terrorists. They tend to report any person who opposes their ideology as “spam”. This is explained below.

“”

July 6th, 2011, 10:02 am

 

HS said:

The Organisation of the terrorists by By Omar George Ali ( Not me !!! )

The terrorists seem to operate on three levels; on the top level resides the user: @egg_hunters. This user has as many as 630 followers. In the middle level reside intermediate hubs of users for instance @syspring. On the lower level operate other users, see Figure.
http://twitterterrorists.mypressonline.com/Drawing1.jpg

Any user who follows that hierarchy has the privilege of asking the second and third levels of users to report any twitter account for spam if they didn’t like what that person is saying.

Once the victim user has been reported, his/her account would be suspended within seconds because of the magnitude of the number of reports submitted simultaneously to Twitter Server.

I have taken snapshots of various screens illustrating the above. Please see the menu and choose the appropriate user to see their evidence.

July 6th, 2011, 10:05 am

 

why-discuss said:

Syrian crackdown in Hama is a ‘litmus test’

With Syrian tanks at the edges of the city of Hama, an icon of rebellion, how the regime chooses to proceed could signal its plans for the country as a whole.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/0706/Syrian-crackdown-in-Hama-is-a-litmus-test

July 6th, 2011, 10:07 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

TARA,

Do not surprise If I am labelled as ikhwan christian. But most probably I will be labeled as fake christian. Just wait and see.
But frankly for me being christian is as good or bad as being muslim, this is just a cultural fact inherited from your parents.
Nothing to do with my freedom.

July 6th, 2011, 10:16 am

 

why-discuss said:

UN slams Israel over Nakba violence

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/187858.html

In a report released by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon earlier this week, Tel Aviv was severely criticized for the bloodshed that Israeli soldiers caused along the Israeli-Lebanon border on May 15, when thousands of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon marched on the Israeli border to mourn the 63th anniversary of the creation of Israel.

According to the report, at least seven people were killed and over a hundred others wounded after Israeli soldiers opened fire on Palestinian demonstrators, who were holding a symbolic march toward their homeland on the Lebanese side of the border.

July 6th, 2011, 10:24 am

 

norman said:

57. Tara said:

Sandro?

Ikhwan Chrtstian?

Iam wondering how you are going to be \”labeled\” by the blind supporters?

Do not be surprised, The rumor is that even the Christians in Hama are MB .

July 6th, 2011, 10:29 am

 

Samara said:

Sandro Low,

To answer your earlier question, no, Bashar and Asma are not my friends, they are my family.

As for the discussion on Sharia Law, it will be an inevitable impication if the regime falls. There must be rational input from both the government and the opposition to create a stabe country, that means that the opposition need to quit being so hostile and rather than aiming to get rid of Bashar, they should contribute peacefully to the isues wich need to be resolved. But, that is HIGHLY unlikely. They are getting paid too much to stop. They are being offered heaven if the continue. The practice of religion is a freedom, but to enforce on others is a crime. Just stating the obvious everyone knows that. Oh well. You tell people ony bad will come if Bashar is to stand down, but sadly they wont believe it till they see it. Then tbere will be no turning back.

Who is to take power? Khadam? The MB? Nice democracy there. Enjoy it.

July 6th, 2011, 10:30 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

SL
Woo.you are Christian ,but MB.Aboud is Homsi,but from Halab,Shami is Ikwanji,but a monk,Revlon is Terrorist,but peaceful,AIG is isreali,but Syrian,Syrian Hamster,is a hamster,but
MB,Tara is Secular,but anti-channel.

July 6th, 2011, 10:39 am

 

Samara said:

SNK,

I was gonna accuse Sandro of being an undercover Israeli working with the CIA at the MB base in Syria, while also being a relative of, and avid admirer of 3ar3our. But you sumed them all pretty good. Cheers.

July 6th, 2011, 10:44 am

 

Tara said:

Kandahar,

Just for intellectual honesty, I do not care about Chanel but I like Prada.

Would that qualify me for being secular in your view?

July 6th, 2011, 10:56 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

SAMARA

If Bashar and Amsa are your family please stop losing your time in this forum, go to them and try to convince them to do something positive for the people of Syria, for the 19 million they have forgoten. Not only for the corrupt bussinessmen, militar and officials that share their bussiness. Thank youuuuuu very much.
And if possible, just in case it is possible, please tell them what need to torture people in jails?

July 6th, 2011, 10:57 am

 

why-discuss said:

Iraq inks 6 agreements of cooperation with Iran

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/06/c_13969687.htm

BAGHDAD, July 6 (Xinhua) — Iraq on Wednesday signed six agreements of cooperation with its neighbor Iran during an official visit of Iranian First Vice President Mohammad-Reza Rahimi to the Iraqi capital of Baghdad.

Rahimi, who heads a delegation of senior Iranian officials, was officially received by Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki at the Baghdad airport….

July 6th, 2011, 10:59 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

Talking about devils, have you see the film : “Devil wears Prada”?

July 6th, 2011, 11:02 am

 

Samara said:

Sandro,

You have my word. Ill buy the next ticket to Syria and see what i can do. Ill also ask 3umi Bashar to tell his troops to be more affective on the field, and capture more and more revloutionary criminals and shove them in the darkest pits there is. You have my word. I swear.

July 6th, 2011, 11:06 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Samara,

You belong to Assad´s president but you are not in Syria. So, you own Syria but you are outside. You control your bussiness from outside. I think this something very near to colonialism. I hope you can find a ticket to Syria, there is a lot of pressure. Many saudis, qataris, etc to Syria this year…

July 6th, 2011, 11:10 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Tara
You are an example of healthy opposition we need in Syria,you don’t like the Assads,that dos’t matter,you are very sincere about your country,which is what matters.I take away my comment few weeks ago that you have MB brain,I was wrong.my problem with MB is that they are not faithful to Syria,and there history is worse than the regime’s.they brag about the 50sand 60s,they will meet with Satan,if he promise them heaven(power).

July 6th, 2011, 11:12 am

 

Abughassan said:

In a perfect world,common sense indicates that Bashar must step down and allow the army to supervise a transitional period until we have free elections and a new government,however,this requires that the army signs on this plan and I do not see this happening any time soon because ,except for minor detections,the army is still loyal to the regime. Khaddam’s accusations that the army is an occupying force is irresponsible and reflects a status of confusion among many in the opposition who want the regime toppled but refuse to give us a realistic map of how we can have a “soft landing”.
The security forces remain a major problem and they are seen by many as a liability for Syria and even the regime.reforming this soviet-style apparatus will not happen overnight and no regime will take harsh measures against security forces when the security and unity of the country is at stake,this is why we called for a period of calm to allow opposing forces to talk and reach an agreement on major issues.the regime has not done enough to pave the way for dialogue but we hear that major decisions are being brewed and August will finally be the month,I will believe it when I see it.

July 6th, 2011, 11:19 am

 

Aboud said:

@77 You give this fool too much credit. It’s just another name for one of the regular Baathists here, the one he uses when he wants to swear and let off steam. Notice how in a previous post the stupid fool clumsily used Jad’s name in a post that was supposedly addressed to Jad. LOL!!!!!!!

Seriously, these Baathists have a looooooong way to go before they learn how to troll.

“Restive City of Hama Tests Will of Syrian Government”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/world/middleeast/06syria.html?_r=1&ref=middleeast

July 6th, 2011, 11:24 am

 

Samara said:

Sandro,

Lol. I “own” Syria? Mate you wouldnt know sarcasm if it came up to and said “Hi, im sarcasm”. But i would like to think that you think i have influence 😀 I want the best for Syria, but it will only come with Bashar. Bashar ou bass. Thats right.

Im going to sleep now, it is 1.30am. Good night.

July 6th, 2011, 11:28 am

 

jad said:

Even in Lebanon, they are trying the same dirty game of killing the economy:
حين تقرر قوى 14 آذار هدم الهيكل على رؤوس الجميع…

واعتبر جابر أن “امكانية لجوء هذه القوى لتصرف مماثل غير مستبعدة”، وقال: “لهذه القوى علاقات عربية ودولية واسعة وهي قد تتمنى على الدول أصدقائها عبر العالم مقاطعة لبنان بشكل غير رسمي خاصة أن لا مبررات للاقدام على هكذا خطوة رسميا”، شارحا أن “بعض الدول العربية أو الشخصيات الكبرى قد تحوّل أرصدتها من لبنان الى دول أخرى كما قد يتم الطلب من السياح العرب عدم التوجه الى لبنان وهنا نكون نضرب أسس الاقتصاد اللبناني القائم على القطاعين المصرفي والسياحي”.

http://www.elnashra.com/news/show/364314/%D8%AD%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%B1-%D9%82%D9%88%D9%89-%D8%B0%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%87%D8%AF%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%84-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%B1%D8%A4%D9%88%D8%B3-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B9

A plan underway for a new refugee ‘camp’ on the lebanese-Syrian border

اليوم تتمزق خرائطنا أمام أعيننا ومعها كل قضايانا ولم يحرّك أحد ساكناً، لا بل أن المسرح امتد إلى خارج الحدود السورية، فقد علم موقع قناة المنار من مصادر مطلعة أنه يجري التحضير عن كثب لإقامة مركز للاجئين السوريين على الأراضي اللبنانية ويلي ذلك تصعيد عالي المستوى وحملة إعلامية موجهة من قبل “تيار المستقبل” ضد النظام السوري وسيترافق ذلك مع الكشف عن جزء آخر مما يسمى قراراً ظنياً يتهم سورية بالضلوع باغتيال الحريري. وبالعودة إلى ما يخطط له فإنّ منطقة “مشتى حمود” ستشكّل المسرح الواسع لمهزلة المخيم السوري، فقد أكدت لنا مصادرنا بأن “مركز الرحمة” في لبنان سيقوم وبالتعاون مع “جمعية الرحمة العالمية (الكويت)” بإقامة مخيّم في “مدرسة الإيمان” في “مشتى حمود”، أما من يدير هذه المهزلة فهم بحسب المصادر إمام مسجد عمر بن الخطاب الشيخ طارق دندشي ويعاونه من تلكلخ الشيخ أسامة عكاري وشخص آخر يدعى عبد الرحمن عكاري، وقد قامت الجمعية المذكورة بإرسال 8000 خيمة وتسلمها المعنيون.

http://www.syrianow.sy/index.php?d=12&id=2018

July 6th, 2011, 12:09 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

SL,

Basha’ar Al Assad is indeed part of our family. Wanna know why?

Because Syria is one big family.

You will never break us apart faker, call yourself what you like, you’re no Syrian.

#82

So they want to create an incident in the South, North, East to justify invasion from the North? Hmmm. You know there is a camp which was constructed in Iraq.

Just WHO is constructing this supposed camp in Lebanon, does the article say? They should be monitored and if need be, dealt with, with EXTREME PREJUDICE.

Wait I see, the future movement allied with Kuwait?!?!?!

July 6th, 2011, 12:12 pm

 

jad said:

Another worrying article about our region

خريف المفاجآت بعد صيف الحسم ينتظر منطقة الشرق الأوسط وسورية تحديدا

نشر موقع المنار مؤخرا تقريرا أوضح فيه المخطط المرسوم ضد سورية لمنع الإعلان عن جبهة مقاومة عربية ضد إسرائيل، ويتابع الموقع بناء على ما تقدم في الجزء الأول من التقرير، استنتاجه أن الخطة الحقيقية في سورية تأتي من ضمن إستراتيجية لإعادة رسم الجغرافيا السياسية للمنطقة بالتوافق مع الدور التركي والغطاء العربي الذي تؤمنه كل من السعودية وقطر. وإعادة الرسم هذه لا تعني تقسيم المنطقة، وإنما إعادة صياغة دولاً لم تستطع أن تنشأ في ظل اتفاقية سايكس – بيكو، وبشكل خاص الإعلان عن الدولة الإسرائيلية اليهودية الذي يجري التحضير له بالتزامن مع إعلان الدولة الفلسطينية والذي سيظهره الإسرائيلي على أنه رد فعل على الفعل الفلسطيني. فاليوم يدفع الإسرائيلي بالشعب الفلسطيني إلى إعلان دولة من جانب واحد، ولو في الأمم المتحدة، وهذا جزء من إستراتيجية لإعلان دولة إسرائيلية في الشق الآخر، حيث ستعلن من الناحية الديموغرافية والجيوغرافية مع اعتراف كامل بها من الدول العربية التي تقوم بالتنسيق مع هذا الحراك باتجاه سورية.

http://www.shukumaku.com/Content.php?id=29526

July 6th, 2011, 12:19 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

I am sorry If I sound angry at times.  I do get angry and I do get very sad.  When I see tanks rolling in a Syrian town, I remember Israeli tanks rolling in the west bank.  When I see security forces arresting a Syrian teen and beating him up,  I remember the image of a Palestinian youth who in his fear, being arrested by the IDF after throwing stones, wet his pants.  I am sorry that my brain invokes these images together.  It is something that I can
not help…  The only difference I can see is that the first image tells the story of Israeli terrorizing Palestinians 
where the second image tells the story of Syrians terrorizing Syrians.

It is also not clear why (out of most others) I hold you to higher moral standards so my anger readily reveals itself during the discussion.    I think it is the combination of  rare combination of substance and style?  Go figure… 

I am not interested in just listening to my own narrative.  I do like to be influenced by others when they make sense so please tolerate my anger and give me your opinion.

      

July 6th, 2011, 12:22 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>When I see tanks rolling in a Syrian town, I remember Israeli tanks rolling in the west bank.

Tell tale signs of a traitor, sorry.

The people of Syria threw flowers at the soldiers as they departed after securing the town from your beloved terrorists.

I’m sick of this treachery, I really really am. I just want to ignore it but I can’t, it’s like someone throwing a towel covered in dirt at your face.

>Just for intellectual honesty, I do not care about Chanel but I like Prada.

Another tell tale sign, but of what I’m not quite sure yet… 😛

July 6th, 2011, 12:23 pm

 

jad said:

Louai:

النشرة الاقتصادية 5-7-2011
http://youtu.be/rCMqctz5JaM?t=1m52s

July 6th, 2011, 12:26 pm

 

mjabali said:

Mr. Syria No Kandahar

You nailed it when you said the “MB are not faithful to Syria.” This is correct. They have a regional and global agendas. They are at their height right now in terms of cooperation and work. Things started happening since Tunis and they have to cope with the rapid change.

What happened in Syria since march 18th is the planning or an arm of the Muslim Brothers that is beyond Syria and includes many non-Syrians. From the day I started hearing their slogans I knew the real people and what is the real ideology behind this. More troubles, violence and chaos are coming in the near future.

The rise of the home-grown opposition is a new twist, and if you couple this with the bad move by the opposition when allied themselves with questionable clowns like the “french humanitarian philosopher”and his camp, this will lead to the immediate benefit of the current de facto ruler of Syria.

The next few weeks are important and could be very bloody.

July 6th, 2011, 12:26 pm

 

Nour said:

SC:

I absolutely agree. Anyone who compares their national Army to a criminal, occupying army cannot be classified as anything but a traitor. I don’t like to use that term loosely, but it is a clear case in this instance.

By the way, are you watching footage from Aleppo right now?

July 6th, 2011, 12:29 pm

 

Tara said:

Commando,

Honest question. Do you ever sleep?

July 6th, 2011, 12:29 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#87

This is what patriots look like.

Syrians are a hard, unbreakable people.

#90

Not since 4 month ago. 🙁

#89

Syria TV right? Let me tune in.

July 6th, 2011, 12:30 pm

 

jad said:

SC
“You know there is a camp which was constructed in Iraq.” I remember that joke!

“WHO is constructing this supposed camp in Lebanon,”
The same radical crazy Kuwaitis MP who support SarSour Inc.

July 6th, 2011, 12:30 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

28. Syrian Commando said:

“TARA’s primary purpose here is to pretend to be a (in reality willfully) ignorant person who keeps asking about sects and trying “shake things up” with retarded premise.”

you hit that nail on the head.

July 6th, 2011, 12:35 pm

 

jad said:

Nour
“By the way, are you watching footage from Aleppo right now?”
I am, here is the streaming link
Syrian TV
http://www.rtv.gov.sy/
Addounia
http://addounia.tv/addounia.html

July 6th, 2011, 12:35 pm

 

Tara said:

Nour,

When a traitor classify me as traitor, then I am a very patriotic.

You just can not face the truth.

You adore a man, a regime. I adore the land, the history, and the people and that is the difference between me and you. We just terribly differ and are completely the opposite.

July 6th, 2011, 12:37 pm

 

Nour said:

Tara:

That’s nonsense. This is your problem; you classify people into black and white. You adore the land and the history? What history? What do you know about the history of Syria and its land? These are general slogans that are devoid of any meaning when they are not rooted in a proper understanding of your national identity.

As for me, I know what I believe in and what I want. And I certainly would never compare my national army to an occupying force, regardless of the circumstances. The bottom line is that only traitors would do that. You are here exchanging niceties and compliments with a racist Zionist who is actually occupying your land, while you are demonizing your own young men serving in your national army. I don’t know what other term to use for such a case.

July 6th, 2011, 12:49 pm

 

Nour said:

Thanks Jad. There is also this link that has live streaming:

http://www.elahmad.com/tv/dish/Syria_ch.htm

July 6th, 2011, 12:50 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

66. SANDRO LOEWE

yes, fake christian. israelis arent christian.

actually, israelis arent much of anything other than murderers, thieves, and liars.

July 6th, 2011, 12:54 pm

 

Aboud said:

One of the slogans being shouted at the demos is “He who kills his people is a traitor”

Bashar is a traitor. Maher is a traitor. Buthaina Sha’3ban is a spokesbitch for the traitorous regime. And everyone who supports them, supports the spilling of innocent Syrian blood. A traitor in any definition of the word. Ya khawana, bay3een baladkon mittle ma Hafez ba3 el Golan.

July 6th, 2011, 12:55 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

ABOUD,

I’m beginning to believe that you’re a Homsi because that was really really dumb.

Tell me a Homsi joke, ya ahbal, lol.

July 6th, 2011, 12:57 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

Don’t worry. I understand the confusion and the verbal excesses sometimes on all sides, as we are all in it.

July 6th, 2011, 12:57 pm

 

Aboud said:

You khawana love junior so much, start saving your liras for his war crimes defense fund;

“Report reveals crimes against humanity in Syrian town”

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/report-reveals-crimes-against-humanity-syrian-town-2011-07-06

How ironic that the loudest screams of “Bil ro7 bil damn blah blah blah ya Bashar” comes from people who live abroad, pay nothing to Syria nor the Syrian economy, have no tangible stake in Syria, and yet sell out their country to a clique of thugs and war criminals. Treason by any society’s definition.

July 6th, 2011, 1:01 pm

 

Tara said:

Nour,

In case you never heard this before, let me introduce you to it:

خائن يلي بيقتل شعبه

And I add, traitor who condone the killing of his own people.

As for exchanging compliments: get use to it.

July 6th, 2011, 1:04 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Those Murdering Israelis; Those Wonderful Baathists

actually, israelis arent much of anything other than murderers, thieves, and liars.

5 Dancing Ahmads,

You forgot to add:

“and Baathists are so thrustworthy and angelic, especially when it comes to hoarding state cash, nepotism, personal freedoms, and putting down any non-violent opposition”

Syria has now killed more Syrians than Israel has killed Gazans, (and the Syrians have yet to fire one stinking missile)

July 6th, 2011, 1:11 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

I’ll take Amnesty international when they condemn:

– Iraq war
– War on Falluja
– War on Gaza

And countless other examples that this zionist organisation overlooked.

July 6th, 2011, 1:12 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

those “people” who serve are used by a countries external enemies arent citizens. they are the traitors. at beast, fools.

July 6th, 2011, 1:12 pm

 

Aboud said:

Well put Tara.

The Baathists khawana seem to be living in Irony-stan. They accuse the opposition of looking for foreign intervention (a lie), and yet depend on Iran to save their traitorous asses. How pathetic does a regime have to be when the backwards ayatollahs are their saviors.

I have a nice suit picked out to wear in the gallery at junior’s war crimes trial.

July 6th, 2011, 1:13 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Fake Traitor: “Well put fake traitor, let’s be fake Syrians together and laugh at ‘junior”s alleged war crimes. Haw haw haw. Hey Israeli friend, tell us again how bad Syria is because it opposes Israel”

Israel: “Oiiii those bastard Syrians have been standing in the way of our plans for 40 damn years. It’s about time we got rid of them”

Fake Traitor: “Yes brother, soon our plan will *WAIT WHAT THE F–*”

(9.365 million Syrians take to the street)

Fake Traitor: “DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT, I thought I learnt everything I had to about Syrian culture to know those people would fall for it. Why god, why? Why are Syrians so damn smart”.

Game over.

July 6th, 2011, 1:18 pm

 

Nour said:

Tara:

So then you agree that the MB are traitors. And you are a traitor for supporting them. As for exchanging compliments with enemies of your country, I am used to traitors doing so.

Note, I don’t like to engage in such exchanges or to descend into name-calling, but your labeling of your army as an occupying army is inexcusable. You have not once condemned the armed gangs which have become obvious to everyone now except the totally delusional and the supporters of the terrorists. You pretend they don’t exist and as a result you give them cover. There are Syrians who were real victims of these criminals, yet you couldn’t care less. You think the only position to take is one cursing the regime and President Bashar al Assad. You refuse to properly analyze the situation in Syria and instead resort to the typical bankrupt slogans and rhetoric of the MB terrorists and the western criminal powers.

You have shown more disdain here for your fellow Syrian than you have for a racist Zionist that supports the occupation of your land and the killing and subjugation of your people. Yet you come here and try to give us lessons on patriotism? Forgive me if I don’t buy your total BS.

July 6th, 2011, 1:19 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

The moment Tara compared the Syrian army to the Israeli army, she crossed the red line into traitorhood forever. That is to say, if she is indeed Syrian at all.

>You pretend they don’t exist and as a result you give them cover.

Yup, basically it is enabling the terrorists. I’ve linked videos of terrorists many times and Tara just ignored it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5B1kgrbEE4

July 6th, 2011, 1:20 pm

 

Aboud said:

The Syrian army has not fired a shot at Israel in over 40 years. It is not equipped nor trained to fight a modern war. Under the Baathist scum, it has been turned into a tool for riot control.

“she crossed the red line into traitorhood forever”

Said the scum who cheered the sight of shabiha scum wielding sticks. Talk about crossing the line, you’ve left the line so far behind, ya khayen, that you’ve traveled around the world and are a step away from crossing it for the third or fourth time.

Such are the supporters junior depends on, khawana who would kill ten thousand Syrians to protect a statue of one of the Middle East’s biggest failure of a leader, and yet are too scared to kill one Israeli to get the land which said failure lost.

July 6th, 2011, 1:27 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Blah blah shabiha

Blah blah not fired a shot in over 40 years (HAVE YOU HEARD OF 1973, 1982 YOU STUPID BIMBO?)

blah blah blah ogga booga

Just go to hell, seriously. You’re a sad joke who knows nothing about Syria, STOP PRETENDING.

July 6th, 2011, 1:29 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

tara is israeli.

attempting to slip israeli terms into the discussion.

hoping to fool one or two here. maybe fool naive visitors.

July 6th, 2011, 1:35 pm

 

jad said:

مصدر مسؤول لشبكة أخبار حماه :
نتمنى من الأشخاص الذين يقومون بصنع الحواجز وقطع الطرقات بإزالتها وعلى الفور، وفتح البلد أمام قدوم الموظفين بمن فيهم الممرضات في المشافي العامة، وإنهاء فرض حالة العصيان المدني القصري والإجباري على أصحاب المحلات التجارية والسائقين، وبعدها يمكن التحاور في الأمور الأخرى.

وأضاف قائلآ: أعتقد أن القيادة لم تدخر جهداً لإقناع هؤلاء الأشخاص في الأسابيع الماضية ولازالت تقوم بذلك، وننتظر منهم وبكل عقلانية إعادة روح الحياة من جديد الى مدينة حماة.

وختم بقوله: لن نقول أن جهودنا باءت بالفشل مع المحتجين الذين يطالبون بشروط تعجيزية من الدولة لإزالة الحواجز، ولكن نقول أن الدولة على أمل بأن يتصرفوا بحكمة في المراحل القادمة لتلافي الغَرق.. وذلك لأننا أصبحنا بالفعل نسير باتجاه المجهول..!!!

6-7-2011
شبكة أخبار حماه

حماة الثلاثاء 5 7 2011 الحواجز في شوارع حماة سوريا
http://youtu.be/wZMPa6KorqU

شوارع وأحياء حماة الأربعاء
http://youtu.be/R4YLqhKaBxc

July 6th, 2011, 1:35 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Thanks Jad,

I added annotations for English speakers:

July 6th, 2011, 1:56 pm

 

Tara said:

Nour,

Anyone who kills his own people is a traitor period whether it is your beloved blue eyed doctor if he was the one ordering the killing, MB, or any one else for that matter…. No matter how do you want to sugar coat it, it ain’t gonna work.

I am not refusing to properly analyze the situation.. I just call spade a spade.  You, on the other hand, are the one refusing to see the truth as it unfolds before your eyes.  I do not know much about you and I am not even sure if you are Syrian or Lebanese so I would not disintegrate into accusing you of anything.  This is simply not my culture.

And for your information, I do not incriminate westerners  because of the western policy towards the ME nor do I incriminate all Israelis unless I know for sure they have blood on their hands.  And yes, I very much disdain killers as well as those who do not condemn killers’ act from all sides.  

And again, in regard to exchanging compliments,  get used to it.

        

July 6th, 2011, 2:05 pm

 

Aboud said:

@112 Dear God a moment more and you’ll break down in tears. Wimp.

It never fails to astound me just how far junior has fallen. At the start, he had everything going for him; foreign complacency, a loyal bunch of brutes, and a population that had never before dreamed of rising up.

How did it all go so wrong for him? He’s like a football player with a clear shot at an open goal, with nary an opposing player in sight, and yet still manages to trip over his own laces and bang his long necked head against the goal post.

I should draw cartoons….

@90 HAHAHAH, are you kidding? This loser spends his whole life on Syria Comment. He doesn’t go out, he doesn’t have a job, he doesn’t seem to be studying anything, he has no friends to socialize with. Heck, this revolution is the best thing that’s ever happened to him, this is the most attention he’s gotten in his entire life.

July 6th, 2011, 2:10 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#117

A smart person knows when they’ve lost. But you, you just keep going and going, laughing to yourself, as your own audience, while even your supporters look around nervously.

What a clown.

As for your further comment, I’m in labs and on a computer all day. Far from “not having a job”, I’m practically always at work (university) and have this shit to distract me all the time.

July 6th, 2011, 2:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

“The devil wears Prada”. But of course. I like these kind of movies.

Did You watch it?

July 6th, 2011, 2:33 pm

 

Aboud said:

“I’m practically always at work (university) and have this shit to distract me all the time.”

It can’t be much of a job if you can do it and still post your Baathist bullshit here 18 hours a day, seven days a week. The only job I can think of that would allow you that much time is “lab rat”

“Syrian forces ‘targeting mobile-phone videos’ ”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-forces-targeting-mobilephone-videos-2307000.html

July 6th, 2011, 2:39 pm

 

Abu Umar said:

“(HAVE YOU HEARD OF 1973, 1982 YOU STUPID BIMBO?)”

When they also massacred thousands of Palestinians in Lebanon? Syrian Haywano, your and your fellow cronies anti-Zionist discourse is garbage and both your Assad mafia and the Zionists are finished. Start packing your bags.

July 6th, 2011, 2:41 pm

 

Nour said:

Tara:

You went around in a circle and still refused to condemn the armed terrorists causing chaos and destruction in Syria. You still refused to condemn their killings of fellow Syrians and their mutilation of their corpses. You are right, you know nothing about me and therefore should not be judging my position vis-a-vis the regime. I am not, nor have I ever been, a fan of the regime. I have condemned them and criticized them at every turn for many of their policies and behaviors. But I love Syria and will do everything in my power to make sure that moves toward the better and not toward the worse. I do not hate the regime more than I love Syria, like many on this blog. As I have repeatedly said, I want what is best for Syria, not what is worst for the regime. Therefore, I definitely do not support this violent, chaotic uprising, which you call a “revolution”, as it has no aim and no vision for the future other than the collapse of the regime and descent into the unknown.

You stated earlier that you loved Syria, its history, and its land, and then you turned around and said you don’t know if I am “Syrian or Lebanese,” which clearly shows your ignorance of your own history. Moreover, you continue to fail to analyze things in the proper context and choose instead to engage in bankrupt rhetoric, which you refer to as “calling a spade a spade.” That’s nonsense. You are not calling a spade a spade, you are allowing your prejudices to control how you view the events on the ground. Nowhere in the world would lawlessness such as the one exhibited in Hama be tolerated. Nowhere in the world would the state just stand by and allow armed thugs to wreak havoc on the streets. Nowhere in the world would people continue to blind themselves to reality when over 500 soldiers and security personnel were killed by armed terrorists. You seem to forget that what is happening is not as simple as security men shooting at “peaceful protesters” which the criminal west and the terrorists continue to peddle. Does that mean that the security is innocent? Of course not, and I never made that claim. But to refuse to recognize that armed terrorists are creating problems in the country which is forcing the army to enter cities and restore order, and instead to compare the national Army to the cancerous, criminal occupation in the south is completely unacceptable.

July 6th, 2011, 2:43 pm

 

Mina said:

“Tara”, a honeytrap, is the only “Syrian” who seems to never get any news from friends or family inside the country. How sad.
Your comparisons between the Syrian tanks and the Israeli ones just show how pathetic are some people who are unable to get to a bigger picture. You mean you would have been so brainwashed (by who, since you seem to have always been abroad, I mean, virtually, of course) that you were only able to feel some empathy towards the Palestinians but never towards the Iraqis, the Afghan kids, the Sudanese, the Lebanese, the Chechenes, etc. ?
You guys are so repetitive in your use of keywords and clichés that it is pretty easy to see the fake.

The mention of Spain and your idea of “the Syrian woman” as someone who has kids, lives in the US but takes holidays in Spain, and is a little dumb and thinks only of shopping make me feel I should call you Wissam.

July 6th, 2011, 2:44 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

All this idiot can do is attack me personally when he knows NOTHING ABOUT ME AT ALL, LMAO.

This is also the case of the kettle calling the pot black.

I’m sure other people (i.e. following is not directed at this bastard) are feeling the same way as me about this whole thing. I can’t really concentrate on anything while all of it is going on, even as the news that trickles out is insignificant.

I open this site every 2 hours or so. What I do here pales in comparision to what time I dedicate on other sites. And yes, it is hurting my work, mildly, but I’ll gladly sacrifice that to make sure the truth gets out in support for my country. Besides, I’m so damn good at what I do that I’ll easily recover, this whole thing came at a time of a lull anyway, but I’ll have less and less time in 2 weeks.

>When they also massacred thousands of Palestinians in Lebanon? Syrian Haywano, your and your fellow cronies anti-Zionist discourse is garbage and both your Assad mafia and the Zionists are finished. Start packing your bags.

It should be plainly obvious to everyone from this alone that you don’t know anything about Syria and are just trying to splash your own feces everywhere.

We Syrians love our country very dearly and will spend whatever time we have to protect it, stay out of it, scum.

July 6th, 2011, 2:45 pm

 

Nour said:

“When they also massacred thousands of Palestinians in Lebanon? Syrian Haywano, your and your fellow cronies anti-Zionist discourse is garbage and both your Assad mafia and the Zionists are finished. Start packing your bags.”

You obviously have no clue what happened in Lebanon, or you are being willfully ignorant of it. As for the second part of your nonsense, how can you claim that the “Zionists are finished” when your MB pals are joining their conferences and dealing with them?

July 6th, 2011, 2:46 pm

 

Abughassan said:

Are you guys planning on exchanging accusations of treason instead of exchanging ideas? Treason to some is becoming such a convenient way to discount the other side’s grievances. The only “innocent” side in Syria today are those who have no blood on their hand,did not use violence and spent their time looking for ways to take care of their families and help their country,how many of those do you know? I tend to believe that most Syrians fall into this category but they do not have access to YouTube or SC.
Send some money to the old country and stop throwing mudd at each other,we will be asked one day what we did with our time and our money.
Do I look like a sheikh now ? 🙂

July 6th, 2011, 2:52 pm

 

Le Quotidien d'Algérie » Hama la rebelle, un dilemme pour le régime syrien said:

[…] les maillons faibles du régime, rapporte l’Américain Joshua Landis, sur son blog Syria Comment. Comme en témoigne un habitant de la ville, sur le blog Arflon net, le gouverneur aurait refusé, […]

July 6th, 2011, 2:56 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Abughassan,

You certainly sound like one. 😉

But I gotta tell you, MINA is right, there’s honeypots here. Then there’s fake Syrians which I’ve identified above with 100% certainty. There is history every Syrian knows about, ignorance of it means its either a Lebanese scumbag or foreigner intent on destroying our country (a zionist or paid commentator). These people cannot enter the “conversation” and unfortunately are consuming all our time. We keep having to take off our shoes in order to stick it in their mouths.

July 6th, 2011, 2:57 pm

 

Nour said:

Abughassan:

I agree with you, but I don’t believe we should simply look the other way when someone compares the Syrian Army to the “Israeli” occupation army and makes an analogy between the presence of Syrian soldiers on Syrian land the presence of “Israeli” terrorist soldiers on Palestinian land.

July 6th, 2011, 2:58 pm

 

Aboud said:

“All this idiot can do is attack me personally when he knows NOTHING ABOUT ME AT ALL, LMAO.”

I know all I need to know about you from your repeated, disgusting, despicable comments calling for the killing of your own fellow Syrians.

You are not loyal to Syria, khayen, you are loyal to a dictator, a butcher whose only accomplishment is earning the fastest war crime indictment in history. It usually takes years from atrocity to war crime tribunal, but your precious junior seems determined to get on the fast track.

“but I’ll gladly sacrifice that to make sure the truth gets out in support for my country.”

Sacrifice, you cockroach? You sacrifice nothing, you pussy Baathist Canada-living welfare leech. The ones sacrificing are the truly brave and patriotic Syrians who put their lives on the line, every day of the week, as they go out and demonstrate for their freedoms, and face down tanks and APCs and heavy machine guns. THAT’S what one does when one loves ones country.

Sacrifice? What does an abhorrent shabiha-cheering insect like you know about sacrifice? You’ll sell out Syria to the Iranian theocracy, and you have the nerve to call *me* a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, you hypocritical worm.

You are the paragon of the clueless, blood-thirsty, leeching Baathist. He who cheers on the sidelines while real people deal with real, dangerous issues in real life. If I had to make up a Baathist to lose people’ sympathy, I couldn’t have done a better job than this scum “Syrian Commando”, and his perverse “kill kill kill” cheers, 18 hours a day. Good job, on making my job that much easier. Khayen.

July 6th, 2011, 2:59 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

http://img.imtwelve.com/gallery/u-mad17cc.jpg

Note how he assumes I’m canadian or living outside Syria without known anything about me. Projection much? 😉

This sick individual, exposed for what he is, along with his 225 disgusting information terrorists on facebook, is very angry. Why wouldn’t he be though, his fake revolution has FAILED…

HAHAHAHAHA

Laugh with me, my friends, we have won. Laugh at these low life LOSERs. Soon we’re going to throw a victory party, just when we know the last few trouble spots are secured.

July 6th, 2011, 3:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Mina

I can’t be harsh on you the same way you are with me because you remind me with Buthina and has it not been a crisis in Syria,  I would have loved to have s lunch with you to discuss general things not necessarily politics. We can maybe go shopping in Beirut.

I can not explain why I chose Spain for a vacation.  I tell you though I met several Syrian families in the hotel in Madrid.  They were mamenhebak too.   I did not go to Marbella, perhaps wanting to avoid the gulf people and other pretentious empty Arabs but I spent the whole week in Andalusia.  Am I trying to compensate for something? May be.  Were those other Syrian families trying to compensate for the same thing? May be. You tell me

And to be simple, I feel bad for any innocent soul that get killed or subjugated by ” my 
guys” or ” other guys” but when it happens by ” my guys” it hurts more.  Can you just simply understand that.

In regard to shopping, ( and cooking from a previous post).  Absolutely.  I can’t apologize for being normal.

A little dumb? … I would leave it to anyone’ judgement.

July 6th, 2011, 3:19 pm

 

Aboud said:

http://www.cartoonaday.com/images/cartoons/2011/04/al-assad-gaddafi-road-cartoon-598×450.jpg

“Laugh with me, my friends, we have won”

Let me enlighten people on the Baathist definition of “winning”. It’s stranger than Charlie Sheen’s.

After the disastrous 1967 war, when Syria lost the Golan Heights, the Baathist regime of the day told the nation that the war had actually been a victory, because even though Syria had lost militarily, events had not caused an overthrow of the “glorious” Baathist regime. And so Syria would be “blessed” with many more years of Baathist rule. THAT is how a Baathist defines victory.

Seriously, Syria can’t afford any more such “victories”. If this is victory, I’d hate to see the Baathist definition of defeat.

People here should go back and watch De3at Teshreen again. Oh wait, none of you Western living Baathists know what I’m talking about, do you?

July 6th, 2011, 3:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Abughassan,

You never fail to show you have class, an elegant manners that is!

July 6th, 2011, 3:26 pm

 

Abu Umar said:

“It should be plainly obvious to everyone from this alone that you don’t know anything about Syria and are just trying to splash your own feces everywhere.

We Syrians love our country very dearly and will spend whatever time we have to protect it, stay out of it, scum.”

Of course a scumbag like yourself considers the massacre of thousands of Palestinians by the Syrian regime “feces” and “scum” because its exposes the blatant hypocrisy of you and your regime’s anti-Zionist discourse, not to mention Assad’s grandfather’s collaboration with the French colonialists and praise of the Zionists, Hafez al-Assad’s collaboration with the Americans in Gulf War I, the thousands of Palestinians who were and are jailed in Syria etc. You already showed your true colours when you refused to answer Anonmyous’s questions.

“You obviously have no clue what happened in Lebanon, or you are being willfully ignorant of it. As for the second part of your nonsense, how can you claim that the “Zionists are finished” when your MB pals are joining their conferences and dealing with them?”

No, I do have a clue as to what happened in Lebanon as I am Palestinian from there and I know what your beloved regime and its allies like Amal did there. And one or two MB clowns joining a Zionist conference doesn’t mean all of the Syrian MB are “Zionist” and I will condemn the Syrian MB if they agree to Western intervention unlike your ilk who sweep the Syrian regime’s collaboration in Gulf War I under the rug. Maybe you’re going to claim Hamas is a Zionist tool too?! You menhebek lunatics have no problems with traitors as long they sing to your tune. Just witness the adulation between Maliki, who came to power on an American tank, and the Syrian regime. I didn’t see you condemn the Iraqi Shi’ites who came to power on the brainchild of the Zionist Neocons. There are many pictures of Ja’fari, the Hakim’s, Chalabi, Maliki, laughing and smiling with Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc.

July 6th, 2011, 3:33 pm

 

Aboud said:

“After 41 years, Syria begins to imagine a future without an Assad in charge”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/06/syria-damascus-a-future-without-assad

@134 “Maybe you’re going to claim Hamas is a Zionist tool too?!”

Yes, they will, the Baathist scum have no problem calling former allies like Turkey and Europe “Zionist Tools”

During the siege on Dar’a, the inhabitants of the Palestinian refugee camp near it risked their lives to smuggle in food and water to their friends in the city. Dozens of Palestinians were arrested for doing so. It is an act of compassion that will not be forgotten.

July 6th, 2011, 3:33 pm

 

jad said:

حلب: السوريون يرفعون اكبر علم للوطن
http://youtu.be/og1EDBvl4v0?t=46s

A good french conversation on RMC
RMC Jean-Jacques Bourdin LA VERITE SUR LA SYRIE
http://youtu.be/XOMhfzlJjPk

July 6th, 2011, 3:36 pm

 

Aboud said:

Hama June 27th. Best demo ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM_7rlDvcpM&feature=player_embedded

The singer was killed by the shabiha ekhwat sharmouta. Alla yerhamu, there are 500,000 waiting to take his place.

July 6th, 2011, 3:44 pm

 

873 said:

Would like to repeat my request to the moderator to have Syrian Ambassador give evidence that fake Al CIAduh or salafi have been infiltrated into Syria ala Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq etc. We know there is long proven precedent by the west of using these groups against their targets, and even MSM has referred to it as fact- ever so fleetingly. What is their role in the present Syria conflict? From Syria’s side for once, not some American student studying there or someone ‘reporting’ on Syria from Japan.

http://www.planetseeder.com/video/111/Hillary-Clinton-Admits-the-US-Government-Created-al-Qaeda

July 6th, 2011, 3:44 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Abu Umar:

>I am Palestinian

It shows, lol, this is why you people are hopeless. I’ll gladly skip over your posts from this point onwards, you too donkey boy.

Goodnight scumbags, liars, friends, neutral observers and patriots. You all know who you are. ;D

July 6th, 2011, 3:50 pm

 

Tara said:

Aboud,

I heard that singer who we all enjoyed his melody during Hama peaceful demonstrations was the one slaughtered using a knife and dumbed into the river?

If true, this is beyond savagery.

July 6th, 2011, 3:51 pm

 

Abu Umar said:

“It shows. I’ll gladly skip over your posts from this point onwards, you too donkey boy.

Goodnight scumbags, liars and patriots. You all know who you are. ;D”

So why don’t you and your menhebek lunatics spare us the fake anti-Zionist and anti-Western discourse.

July 6th, 2011, 3:56 pm

 

Aboud said:

Yes Tara, it’s true. He had his throat cut and his body was dumped into the Orontes river.

http://www.facebook.com/ibrahim.kashush

And they wonder why the country hates them.

July 6th, 2011, 3:57 pm

 

Tara said:

All regime’ Supporters

Do you condone or condemn the savage act of slaughtering the singer of Hama’ demonstrations.

Let us know who do we live with.

July 6th, 2011, 4:02 pm

 

Aboud said:

@143 I highly doubt it Tara. Without a doubt they are as happy as bunnies at this savagery. Or they will blame Salafis. But will we ever hear a word from them against junior? Maybe when pigs fly.

The same people who mutilated Hamza Khatib, a 13 year old boy who died trying to bring food to besieged Dara’a, have no qualms about cutting the throat of a talented singer.

July 6th, 2011, 4:07 pm

 

Aboud said:

@139 “It shows, lol, this is why you people are hopeless”

Hear that? “you people are hopeless”. In the eyes of a Baathist, Palestinians are hopeless.

As a Syrian, I’m disgusted by this comment, and distance myself from such outrageous remarks, the likes of which I haven’t even heard from Israelis on this blog.

July 6th, 2011, 4:08 pm

 

NK said:

For you “Al doon ya” watchers, check this out !

Looks like Abu Nazir is officially crazy !
I mean you don’t really need a psychiatrist to figure that much out, but since a lot of you insist on following the old saying
… لا يصدق ال*رى, there you have it. Feel free to add it to the long list of fabrications and false propaganda aired on Syrian state TV and its illegitimate sister الدون يا.

P.S : I wonder if they sprayed him with an (irritant/carcinogen Amph/B12 super blend) to get better results. LOL

July 6th, 2011, 4:12 pm

 

AIG said:

“So why don’t you and your menhebek lunatics spare us the fake anti-Zionist and anti-Western discourse.”

It has worked well in the past. They think it will also work in the future, but of course they are wrong.

July 6th, 2011, 4:17 pm

 

Hama la rebelle, un dilemme pour le régime syrien said:

[…] les maillons faibles du régime, rapporte l’Américain Joshua Landis, sur son blog Syria Comment. Comme en témoigne un habitant de la ville, sur le blog Arflon net, le gouverneur aurait refusé, […]

July 6th, 2011, 4:25 pm

 

Nour said:

Abu Umar:

You need to get a hold of yourself. Obviously your emotional attachment to certain factions blinds you from reality and prevents you from objectively analyzing events. The Lebanese Civil War included crimes and atrocities committed by all sides, and I have never spared any side from my condemnation in the way in which they behaved during that ugly episode in our history. This means that the Palestinian factions were also not innocent parties in what took place there and their actions were definitely not any cleaner than those of the Syrian regime. I don’t want to rehash everything that happened during the Lebanese Civil War because it will only serve to stir emotions and incite people against each other, which is not what responsible people should be doing.

From the rest of your statement you clearly appear to be a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and are living in denial regarding their role in Syria. You excuse the participation of MB members in a Zionist conference because you don’t want to criticize the MB regardless of what they do. You ignore that the MB did ask for foreign intervention, but you probably find that requesting a Turkish invasion of Syria is completely acceptable. The fact is that the MB will sell Palestine in a second to get what they want. And from all indications, this is exactly what they are doing.

This is not to mention that the MB is a terrorist organization that has killed thousands of Syrians. They are murderous thugs that cannot tolerate anything different from their narrow religious views, which is why I believe that a whole new secular constitution should be written in order to expose these so-called “Revolutionists” for what they really are. It is quite telling that you attack and belittle the army that fought “Israel” heroically in 1973 and in 1982, but you glorify an organization that never fired one shot against any “Israeli” target and never will. It’s funny you mention Hamas when you should know full well that NO Arabic country other than Syria was willing to support ANY Palestinian resistance. And Hamas would have had NOWHERE to go were it not for Syria. Enough with the lies and the nonsense only to inflame people. What is happening in Syria on the ground is much more complicated than you are making it out and your irresponsible calls can only lead to further destruction of the Syrian state and society, as happened in Iraq.

July 6th, 2011, 4:34 pm

 

Nour said:

Tara:

I completely and utterly, in the strongest terms possible, condemn the slaughtering of the singer of Hama, or any Syrian for that matter, regardless of who did it. My question to you is, if you find out in the coming days that those who committed this slaughter are not who you think they are, are you still prepared to condemn them? Are you going to change your view about what is happening in Syria?

July 6th, 2011, 4:39 pm

 

Aboud said:

@148

“You need to get a hold of yourself. Obviously your emotional attachment to blah blah blah Muslim Brother is gonna destroy us all blah blah blah why doesn’t anyone appreciate us blah blah blah Muslim Brotherhood yada yada yada”

Enough with invoking the Muslim Brother, in this day and age it’s worse than Joe McCarthy yelling “REDS UNDER THE BEDS!” at anyone he didn’t like.

I find it so ironic that the Baathists keep bringing up the MB wolf, when they are so willing to sell out their country to the theocracy of Iran. I’ll have Bashar-fries with my dish of hypocrisy, please.

“You ignore that the MB did ask for foreign intervention”

And yet the Baathist scum are banking and relying on an Iranian intervention. Gesh, it’s just additional helpings of hypocrisy with you people.

There is a difference between “supporting” a cause, and doing your best to completely dominate it to use it as a bargaining chip. That has been the history of the relationship the Baathist regime has had with the Palestinian people.

July 6th, 2011, 4:45 pm

 

jad said:

دمشق: تداول فكرة عقد مؤتمر لـ«البعث» وجلسة للبرلمان بداية الشهر المقبل
الاربعاء, 06 يوليو 2011

دمشق – ابراهيم حميدي
يجري العمل على قدم وساق لاستكمال الترتيبات اللازمة لعقد اللقاء التشاوري يومي الأحد والإثنين المقبلين، تمهيداً لمؤتمر الحوار الوطني، بما في ذلك تلقِّي ردود الشباب والمستقلين والمعارضين، من أحزاب وأشخاص، على دعوات حضور «التشاوري»، في وقت تتردد فكرة عقد مؤتمر قُطْرِي لحزب «البعث» الحاكم في المرحلة المقبلة، اضافة الى ترجيح عقد جلسة لمجلس الشعب (البرلمان) في 6 الشهر المقبل.

وبحسب المعلومات المتوافرة لـ «الحياة»، فإن قائمة المدعوين، التي كانت تضم اكثر من 150 شخصاً، شملت عدداً من الشباب البارزين في البلاد، إضافة الى شخصيات معارضة، مثل: المحاميين هيثم المالح وأنور البني، والكاتب أكرم البني، والمفكر طيب تيزيني، وشخصيات منضوية في هيئات تشكلت قبل ايام، مثل: «هيئة التنسيق لقوى التغيير الديموقراطي»، التي تضم المنسق العام حسن عبد العظيم، ونائبيه حسين العودات وبرهان غليون، إضافة الى شخصيات من خارج البلاد، مثل: هيثم مناع وسمير عطية.

وفيما وافق جميع المستقلين، من اقتصاديين وصحافيين ومثقفين ورياضيين، على الحضور، وهم يمثلون اكثر من ثلث المدعوِّين، أكّد المناع ضرورة توافر «الظروف الصحية» لإجراء الحوار، فيما أبلغ المالح أنه سيُوفِد ممثلاً له الى اللقاء التشاوري. وستتخذ «هيئة التنسيق» موقفها بعد اجتماعها اليوم (الاربعاء)، فيما قال لؤي حسين، إن هيئة متابعة توصيات لقاء «سورية للجميع في ظل دولة ديموقراطية مدنية»، أكدت ضرورة «توافر المناخ المناسب» للحوار. وجددت شخصية معارضة لـ «الحياة» امس، تقديم «حلّ وسط» يقوم على حضور معارضين «اللقاء التشاوري»، وطرح مواقفهم وأسس عقد مؤتمر الحوار الوطني.

وأوضحت مصادر رفيعة في «هيئة الحوار» لـ «الحياة» امس، أن برنامج اللقاء التشاوري، يتضمن كلمة لنائب الرئيس فاروق الشرع، قبل فتح المجال لإقرار جدول الأعمال، ويضم ثلاث نقاط: «دور الحوار الوطني في المعالجة السياسية والاقتصادية والاجتماعية للأزمة الراهنة والآفاق المستقبلية، تعديل بعض مواد الدستور، بما في ذلك المادة الثامنة (تنص على ان «البعث» قائد المجتمع والدولة) منه لعرضها على اول جلسة لمجلس الشعب (البرلمان)، وعدم استبعاد وضع دستور جديد للبلاد وفق آليات يتم الاتفاق عليها، مناقشة مشاريع قوانين الأحزاب السياسية والانتخابات والإعلام».

وأضافت المصادر أن النقاش يتناول ما اذا كان المؤتمر سيفتح بعد ذلك لتقديم مداخلات المشاركين إزاء مسوّدات القوانين او تقسيم المؤتمر الى ثلاث لجان لبحث المسوّدات، على ان ترفع في ختام المؤتمر توصيات واقتراحات إزاء هذه المسوّدات. وفيما انتهت ثلاث لجان من صوغ مسوّدات قوانين الأحزاب والانتخابات والإعلام، فإن مجموعة خبراء عكفت على درس الدستور الحالي وتقديم اقتراحات لتعديله او تغييره، بحيث تشكل لجنة لتحويل ذلك الى نص. وأكدت المصادر أن جميع المسائل ستعرض على مؤتمر الحوار الوطني الشامل.

الى ذلك، يتواصل انعقاد المؤتمرات الحوارية، وفيما لم يحصل منظمو «مؤتمر الإنقاذ الوطني» على موافقة لعقده في 16 الجاري، عقد امس 62 عضواً مستقلاًّ في دورات برلمانية سابقة مؤتمراً لهم قرب دمشق. وقال النائب محمد حبش، احد المنظمين: «نحن في سورية نعيش ازمة، ومن حقنا ان نتحرك في كل أطراف المجتمع. هناك دعوة للحوار الوطني التي أطلقها الرئيس بشار الاسد»، لافتاً الى ان النواب المستقلين يتحركون لـ «المساعدة في قضايا الوطن، لكنهم لا ينتظمون في اطار. ونحاول كمستقلين ان ننظم (أنفسنا) في إطار، من اجل مستقبل سورية، وهدفنا دولة ديموقراطية مدنية سلمية عبر صناديق الاقتراع بقيادة الرئيس الأسد».

وكان النائب مهدي خير بك قال إن الاجتماع جاء «تحت مبدأ الحوار الوطني لمناقشة الإصلاحات التي تطرح حالياً في المجالات الاقتصادية والإدارية والإعلامية والسياسية».

ودعا الناطق باسم «الشبكة السورية لحقوق الانسان» احمد خازم امس، الى عقد مؤتمر بعنوان «العيش المشترك» في 17 الجاري لإطلاق «تكتل علماني كبير يقف في وجه المد الاصولي وكل أعمال العنف والتخريب التي تحاول اجتياح الوطن»، بحيث يبحث المواطَنة وآليات حقوق الإنسان.

الى ذلك، بثت «الوكالة السورية للأنباء»(سانا) امس، أن اللجان الخاصة بصوغ مسوَّدة قانون الإعلام أنجزت عملها مساء اول من امس، مشيرة الى ان المسوّدة «تضم 92 مادة خلت من كلمة حبس، هدفها صيانة حرية الإعلامي في الحصول على المعلومة وأحقية النشر»، وأن اللجنة ستنخرط مجدداً في إنجاز المهمة الثانية بوضع الآليات اللازمة لإعادة هيكلة منظومة الإعلام الوطني قبل 24 الشهر الجاري.

http://international.daralhayat.com/internationalarticle/285095

July 6th, 2011, 4:45 pm

 

HS said:

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1019995–former-chief-of-cbc-al-jazeera-headed-back-to-canada

During Burman’s two years as managing director for Al Jazeera English based in Doha, Qatar, the network’s audience reach expanded from 100 million households to more than 200 million worldwide

“This 24/7 news environment we’re all now part of, willingly or not, is posing all sorts of challenges,” he said. “I’d like to focus more on what it means and how we can navigate through it in a way that ensures that quality and values emerge intact at the other end.”

He resigned !
For sure ! Nothing to do with quality and values at Al Jazeera

July 6th, 2011, 4:46 pm

 

Aboud said:

@149 “My question to you is, if you find out in the coming days that those who committed this slaughter are not who you think they are, are you still prepared to condemn them? Are you going to change your view about what is happening in Syria?”

Hell yes. If I personally found out who did it, I would not wait to inform on them, I’d bundle them into my car, drive them down to the Orontes, and bash their heads in myself, whoever they were. This was an outrageous crime, something only the lowest filth would do. There are precedents in Baathist history for this kind of behavior.

July 6th, 2011, 4:48 pm

 

jad said:

More about the ‘Zs’ conference of Monday

«مؤتمر ليفي» السوري: نجوم وكومبارس ومبايعة

شهدت باريس أول من أمس مؤتمراً نظّمه نجم «الفلاسفة الجدد»، الفرنسي المعروف بـ«صداقته» العزيزة لدولة الاحتلال الإسرائيلي، برنار هنري ـــــ ليفي، كان يفترض أن يكون تضامنياً مع المعارضة السورية. مؤتمر يصلح لأن يكون سيناريو لفيلم ساخر، نظراً لما تخلّله من مزايدات كاريكاتوريّة

“عثمان تزغارت
باريس| استقطب «مؤتمر التضامن مع سوريا»، الذي نُظم مساء أول أمس في باريس، بدعوة من مجلة «قاعدة اللعبة» La règle du jeu»، التي يديرها الكاتب الفرنسي برنار هنري ـــــ ليفي، جمهوراً غفيراً، غصّت به قاعة سينما «سان جيرمان»، في الحي اللاتيني من عاصمة الأنوار. وكانت المحطة الأبرز في هذه الفعالية شهادات مؤثرة عن عمليات القمع والتنكيل كتبتها مجموعة من أطفال درعا وشبابها، قرأتها النجمة السينمائية جين بيركين والمخرج كزافييه بوفوا (صاحب «بشر وآلهة»).

ككل نشاط ينظمه عرّاب «الفلاسفة الجدد»، هنري ـــــ ليفي، لم يخل هذا المؤتمر من المفارقات المثيرة للجدل. فرغم أن شخصيات معارضة سورية بارزة اعترضت عليه ودعت إلى مقاطعته (راجع «الأخبار» عدد 1452)، افتتح هنري ـــــ ليفي المؤتمر بالقول إن هذا أول تجمع من نوعه يلتئم فيه شمل المعارضة السورية بمختلف أطيافها، ليعود في نهاية المؤتمر، ويعتذر لأنّ العديد من رموز المعارضة السورية الذين حضروا اللقاء، لم يتمكنوا من الكلام، بحجة… ضيق الوقت!
المغالطات الكثيرة التي حفل بها المؤتمر بدأت بشريط عُرض في الافتتاح، على أساس أنه يصوّر أعمال قمع المتظاهرين في سوريا، وإذا به يتحوّل إلى مرافعة ضد القومية العربية، بوصفها «سبب التسلط والاستبداد»!. لم يقتصر الأمر على انتقاد حزب البعث السوري، بل تم إقحام جمال عبد الناصر، بحجة أن الوحدة مع مصر (لا الانقلابات العسكرية) هي التي قضت على الديموقراطية في سوريا، لأن شرط عبد الناصر للوحدة كان وضع حد للتجربة البرلمانية التعددية في سوريا! وقارن الشريط ذاته بين أعمال قمع المتظاهرين في سوريا مع الإبادة النازية. الشيء الذي أثار حفيظة برنار شالشا، الكاتب المعروف بميوله الصهيونية، وشريك برنار هنري ـــــ ليفي في تنظيم هذا المؤتمر وتنشيطه، فاعتذر الأخير عن ذلك، قائلاً إنه «لا يجوز مقارنة ما هو غير قابل للمقارنة»!. وأضاف: «نحن نأسف لذلك، فنحن لسنا من أعدّ هذا الشريط، ولا تتحمل اللجنة المنظمة مسؤولية ما ورد فيه».
لا شك في أن دافع برنار شالشا هنا لم يكن الحرص على الموضوعية أو الاعتراض على المبالغة الواضحة في مقارنة القمع في سوريا ـــــ رغم ما يتسم به من عنف ودموية ـــــ بالمحرقة النازية. إلا أن سبب الاعتراض، بالنسبة إلى هذا الصهيوني المتطرف، أن «آلام «الشعب اليهودي» لا يمكن مقارنتها، لأنها فوق كل آلام البشرية».”

“من جهة ثانية، دعا رئيس لجنة العلاقات الخارجية في البرلمان الفرنسي أكسل بونياتوفسكي إلى إشهار سلاح العقوبات في وجه النظام السوري، على قاعدة أن العقوبات الاقتصادية أثبتت فاعليتها في إيران، حيث «النظام في طهران يحتضر ويشارف على الانهيار، بفضل العقوبات الدولية التي حطّمته اقتصادياً».”

“لكن النبرة الصهيونية سرعان ما عادت إلى الواجهة مع مداخلة دومينيك سوبو، رئيس جمعية SOS Racisme، الذي هاجم بشدة من وصفهم بـ«المندسّين» في القاعة من «أذيال النظام السوري»، في إشارة إلى بعض من حاولوا التعبير عن وجهات نظر مغايرة. وجزم سوبو بأن «الذين يتحدثون هنا عن الصهيونية، يزرعون بذور معاداة السامية المقيتة فوق قبور وأجساد شهداء الثورة السورية».”

“وقد اقتصرت مداخلات المعارضين السوريين على لمى الأتاسي (ابنة عبد الحميد الأتاسي)، رئيسة جمعية «سوريا ـــــ فرنسا: ديموقراطية»، وأشرف المقداد، خال الطفل الشهيد حمزة الخطيب، ومحمد كركوتي، الكاتب الإعلامي المقيم في لندن، ورضوان باديني، ممثل الأكراد في جمعية Change Syria for democracy المنبثقة عن «مؤتمر أنطاليا».
وكانت شهادة خال الطفل حمزة الخطيب لحظة مؤثرة جداً، وكانت أقوى من كل الخطب السياسية التي طغت على المؤتمر. بدأت بالاستشهاد بمقولة جان جاك روسو عن أن «المجتمع يجب أن يُحكم من جميع مكوناته». وعبّرت عن رفضها للمقاربات والتلاعبات الطائفية، قائلة: «ما يحدث في سوريا ثورة شعبية، لا خلفيات طائفية أو عرقية لها. وهي ثورة تهدف إلى بناء سوريا حرة وديموقراطية، لا مكان فيها للتسلط أو الطائفية».
لكن المداخلات السورية سرعان ما وقعت هي الأخرى في الطابع التراجي ـــــ كوميدي، الذي كان السمة الغالبة على فعاليات هذا المؤتمر. ففي مداخلته، قال رضوان باديني، الذي تحدث بوصفه ممثلاً للأكراد في ائتلاف المعارضة السورية المنبثق عن «مؤتمر أنطاليا»، قائلاً «أنا ككردي محروم منذ 34 سنة من أبسط حقوقي كمواطن سوري». لكنه بعد دقيقتين، كال مديحاً مستفيضاً لرئيس الحكومة التركي رجب طيب أردوغان!
أما الإعلامي محمد كركوتي، فقد اتسمت مداخلته بطابع إنشائي من النوع المضحك ـــــ المبكي، إذ افتتح كلامه بشكر «فرنسا القِيم، شعباً وحكومة، على وقفتها المشرفة إلى جانب الشعب السوري». تحيات أرفقها بكلام أدبي من نوع «في سوريا اليوم ظلام يعمّ في عز النهار، وسيل متدفق من الدماء الغزيرة، فيما الطاغية يقف باسم الثغر، كما لو كان يتأمل أسراباً من الفراشات الجميلة التي تحلق بسلام». وفيما كانت المترجمة تحاول جاهدة إيصال الفكرة إلى الجمهور الفرنسي بأقل «الخسائر» الممكنة، أضاف أنه «في بلدي سوريا انطلق الربيع خريفاً، واستمر إعصاراً. كأن الطاغية يريد أن يغير حتى قوانين المناخ». هنا، ما كان من أحد الظرفاء الفرنسيين إلا التعليق بـ«كأن البلد يعاني مشكلة كهرباء، لا ثورة شعبية».
وفي ختام المؤتمر، فاجأ هنري ـــــ ليفي الجميع باعتلائه المنصة مجدّداً، لتلاوة بيان سماه «قَسَم باريس»، داعياً الحضور إلى الاقتراع برفع الأيدي على هذا النص الذي اختتمه بالدعوة إلى «شرق أوسط حر، شرق أوسط مسالم، تعيش فيه سوريا الحرة بسلام مع جيرانها».
فشل تام لمؤتمر ليفي، والسبب الرئيسي الحملة التي قادها مثقفون وناشطون سوريون على الفايسبوك ضد المؤتمر ومقاطعة رموز المعارضة السورية المقيمين في باريس وإصدارهم بياناً يدين اللقاء، مما عزل المشاركين السوريين، ومنهم جماعة الإخوان المسلمون في شخص ملهم الدروبي.”

http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/16065

July 6th, 2011, 5:00 pm

 

Nour said:

“I find it so ironic that the Baathists keep bringing up the MB wolf, when they are so willing to sell out their country to the theocracy of Iran. I’ll have Bashar-fries with my dish of hypocrisy, please.”

Well obviously your sectarianism seeps through everything you write. What has the Syrian government sold to the theocracy of Iran? What is Iran doing in Syria exactly? You simply repeat nonsense spewed by sectarian fanatics of the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahhabis supported by the theocracy of Saudi Arabia. You know very well that the MB has a murderous history in Syria, but I’m sure it doesn’t bother you one bit.

“And yet the Baathist scum are banking and relying on an Iranian intervention. Gesh, it’s just additional helpings of hypocrisy with you people.”

Again, same sectarian nonsense. Where is the “Iranian intervention” other than in the minds of sectarian fanatics and criminal western regimes? Oh yeah I forgot, the “witnesses” of Jisr el Shoughour captured 60 Hizballah operatives disguised as scouts, but needed a farsi translator because they couldn’t speak Arabic. HAHAHAHA, only the “revolutionists” can come up with such fairy tales.

“There is a difference between “supporting” a cause, and doing your best to completely dominate it to use it as a bargaining chip. That has been the history of the relationship the Baathist regime has had with the Palestinian people.”

You’re right, Syria should support the Palestinian cause like the rest of the Arab heroes. To stop support of all resistance, sign a deal with “Israel,” and attack anyone who dares stand up to “Israeli” crimes. At least we know where you stand on this issue.

July 6th, 2011, 5:01 pm

 

jad said:

لقاء باريس يقسم «الإخوان» ومجلس شورى لاستبدال الشقفة

باريس ـ «السفير»
توقع مصدر سوري معارض في باريس، أمس، أن ينعقد قريبا في العاصمة الأردنية عمان اجتماع طارئ لمجلس شورى جماعة الإخوان المسلمين في سوريا، وهو مجلس لا انعقاد له إلا كل عامين في دورته العادية.
وقال المصدر إن قبول الاخوان المسلمين المشاركة مساء أمس الأول في لقاء باريسي مع تجمع لمثقفين وسياسيين فرنسيين معروفين بتأييدهم الشديد لإسرائيل قد أدى إلى تفجير خلافات داخل التنظيم السوري لحركة الإخوان المسلمين كانت قد بدأت منذ مؤتمر انتاليا.
ويأخذ الجناح الذي يقوده محمد فاروق طيفور على الزعيم الحالي للإخوان المسلمين رياض الشقفة تراكم الأخطاء التي لا يستفيد منها سوى النظام السوري، وتكراره الأخطاء التي كان يأخذها على قيادة صدر الدين البيانوني السابقة.
ويعتبر جناح طيفور أن رياض الشقفة قام بتغطية مــشاركة ملهــم الدروبي في هذا اللــقاء الذي يسيء إلى صورة الاخوان المسلــمين، وقبــوله بالمشاركة في الوفد المنبثق عن مؤتمر انتاليا، وتعرضه لانتقادات من معارضة الداخل التي لا توافق على استراتيجية انتاليا، ما أدى إلى مقاطعة من لجان المعارضة الداخلية للإخوان المسلمين وإقصائهم عن الحوارات التي تجري في الداخل، منذ انتاليا حتى الآن.
كما يأخذ جناح طيفور على المجموعة التي يقودها الشقفة تأييدها مؤتمر بروكسل والعمل على عقده، وفشل المؤتمر في اجتذاب من رفضوا الحضور إلى إنتاليا، وهو رهانه الأساسي.
وينتقد طيفور لقاء باريس الذي دعمه الشقفة، ضمن ما قاله لقناة «اورينت»، ملهم الدروبي المكلف بالعلاقات الدولية، من انه لا خط احمر لدينا و«نشارك في جميع الأنشطة والندوات المؤيدة للشعب السوري، بغض النظر عمن يقوم بها أو ينظمها».

http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=1888&ChannelId=44500&ArticleId=631&Author=

July 6th, 2011, 5:13 pm

 

Aboud said:

“What is Iran doing in Syria exactly?”

Sho habibi? Where have you been on this forum for the past week? Just take a look at what your co-Baathists spew on the comments section. “Iran will do this. Iran will do that. My big brother Iran will help me beat up the neighborhood kid” How many times have we heard that Iran will attack Turkey? If that isn’t foreign intervention, then what is?

The USA have imposed sanctions on Iranian officials for aiding the Baathist regime in suppressing the revolution. There have been credible reports of Iranians in Dar’a, far more credible than the ghosts of Zionist Salafis that the Al-Dunya pro-regime channel keeps barking about.

“You’re right, Syria should support the Palestinian cause like the rest of the Arab heroes”

I’ll take apathy over actively hindering a national movement any day, as I’m sure every Palestinian will agree. And where are your Hamas buddies these days?

July 6th, 2011, 5:14 pm

 

jad said:

THE HYPOCRISY of the west at its highest!!! ‘negotiate or die’ Cameron to Taliban:

مقتل 5 جنود احتلال في افغانستان
كاميرون لـ«طالبان»: تفاوضوا أو الموت!

قال رئيس الوزراء البريطاني ديفيد كاميرون امس، إن حركة «طالبان» الأفغانية من الممكن ان يكون لها مستقبل في إطار حكومة ما، كما حدث مع المقاتلين السابقين في ايرلندا الشمالية، لكنه حذر من أن الذي لن يلقي السلاح، يخاطر بحياته.
واتى كلام كاميرون في وقت اعلنت قوة حلف شمال الاطلسي (ايساف) في بيان ان اربعة من جنود الحلف قتلوا في هجومين وقعا شرق افغانستان، لم تكشف جنسياتهم، وذلك بعد يوم على مقتل جندي استرالي في جنوب البلاد.
واوضحت «ايساف» ان ثلاثة جنود قتلوا بقنبلة يدوية الصنع، والرابع في هجوم شنه متمردون، بدون اعطاء توضيحات اضافية.
وكان الاسترالي تود لانغلاي (35 عاما) قتل في جنوب افغانستان اثر تلقيه رصاصة في الرأس خلال معارك مع متمردين امس الاول، وفقا للجنرال ديفيد هورلاي من وزارة الدفاع الاسترالية، ليرتفع مع مقتل لانغلاي عدد الخسائر العسكرية الاسترالية منذ بدء الحرب الى 28.
من جهته، اكد كاميرون متحدثا إلى جانب الرئيس الأفغاني حميد قرضاي في كابول، إن بريطانيا ستكثف أيضا من المساعدات لأفغانستان في الوقت الذي سحبت فيه القوات تدريجيا، كما كشفت عن خطط إقامة أكاديمية بريطانية جديدة لتدريب ضباط الجيش الأفغاني.

ومضى يقول، «أنتم تخسرون هذه المعركة» في إشارة إلى المقاتلين الذين يحاربون القوات الأجنبية وحكومة قرضاي منذ الإطاحة بهم العام 2001، مضيفا «ترون أقرانكم من طالبان وهم يقتلون حتى بأعداد اكبر. سيستمر ذلك. لذلك يجب أن تتخلوا عن هذا والانضمام إلى عملية سياسية». (رويترز، ا ف ب)

July 6th, 2011, 5:15 pm

 

HS said:

http://laregledujeu.org/2011/07/05/6467/succes-de-la-soiree-syrienne-hier-soir-au-saint-germain/

Bernard Henry Levy meeting in Paris

He is the owner of the cinema and still he had to give back the room and to end the meeting before some Syrians can speak !!!

No mention of the presence of the MB Al Droubi !!

July 6th, 2011, 5:31 pm

 

jad said:

HS
“No mention of the presence of the MB Al Droubi !!”
I wonder WHY!?
BTW, Isn’t Al Droubi afandi the first guy on the left in that picture?

NK,
قلتلي ال* رى لا يصدق حتى يرى!
في مثل تاني بقول لحاق الكذاب لورى الباب

حقيقة ابو نظير بالوثائق الرسمية المزورة
http://youtu.be/EXX0pF4Aioc

July 6th, 2011, 5:35 pm

 

Nour said:

Aboud:

Your entire post is silly. You have no evidence whatsoever of any Iranian involvement in Syria, your vague referral to “credible reports” notwithstanding. As for Iran threatening Turkey, how is that even remotely similar to a direct intervention in a country’s affair. Iran is allied with Syria, and therefore it warned Turkey that if it were to attack Syria, Iran would come to Syria’s aid. Iran is not interfering in Syria’s internal affairs, but warning others that it would come to the aid of its ally should they think of attacking Syria. This is normal strategic relations and not unwarranted interference.

July 6th, 2011, 5:55 pm

 

damasco said:

to all regime supporters:
-are you convinced syria has any form of freedom of speech?
-are you convinced makhlouf’s long years of corruption( deterring investment,monopoly,etc….) have been solved by his promise of charity work
……from the heart of Damascus

July 6th, 2011, 6:02 pm

 

NK said:

Jad

“This video has been removed by the user.”

Do you have another link to the same video ?

July 6th, 2011, 6:06 pm

 

Tara said:

Nour @ 149

I note your position and commend you for it. I too utterly and completely, condemn the killing of any Syrian regardless of who did it without any exception, be it the regime, the MB, armed gangs, etc.. And yes, if it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is not the regime, I would definitely change my view about what is happening in Syria.

July 6th, 2011, 6:22 pm

 

abughassan said:

the facts about the death of many syrians will never be known. In most cases we have a very good idea who killed who,but in a grwoing number of cases we just do not know,and in many documented cases we discovered that both sides in this conflict are lying. “WE” here refers to those who still care to find out the truth and are more loyal to Syria than to the regime or its oppoenents.The army and the security forces will not be able to repeat Hama 1982 and there will not be a massacre in Hama,they are negotiating with people now to lift the checkpoints made by Hamwis. There is no shelling in Hama and no tanks inside the city,but our Hamwi brothers need to understand that somebody needs to keep law and order there. they do not trust the regime but they can not act like they are the police and the government in a city this big. Cool heads must prevail here,Hama had enough.

July 6th, 2011, 6:23 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

ABUGHASSAN #164

i totally agree with you

July 6th, 2011, 6:39 pm

 

Nour said:

Abughassan:

I completely agree with your post. I believe in a lot of the cases it is very difficult to discover beyond a reasonable doubt those responsible for particular killings as there is a lot of disinformation going on by all sides and a total propaganda war. I also concur that there is not going to be a massacre in Hama and that this is not 1982. However, as you said, continued lawlessness cannot be tolerated and those Hamwis setting up road blocks and attacking security (not all Hamwis are on board with these acts) must immediately cease their unlawful behavior or face arrest and prosecution.

July 6th, 2011, 6:41 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

ABOUD #102 links to this, dated 6 July: Amnesty International’s Middle East and North Africa Deputy Director Philip Luther said “The willingness of the international community to take action on Libya in the name of human rights has highlighted its double standards on Syria. Despite President Bashar al-Assad’s talk of reform, there is little evidence so far that the Syrian authorities will respond to anything but concrete international measures.” Last week I linked to this dated 25 June: Amnesty International’s Secretary General Salil Shetty said “In Syria the situation is going from bad to worse…. The people of Syria are suffering and they are not seeing the same support that the people of Libya got and that is causing a lot of harm and a lot of unnecessary deaths.” Amnesty International is an utterly undisreputable source of information about Syria. It is squarely on the side of the revolutionary opposition and it disseminates scurrilous slander against the regime’s security forces that it gets from criminal hooligans.

Thank god Syria is fine!

Somebody on this board said a few weeks ago that nationalist sentiment in Syria today is at an all-time high in reaction to trash such as the above in the foreign media. I believe it, and I believe it strengthens the regime’s mass popularity in Syria — the opposite effect of what the “activists” intend it to have. Hundreds of thousands of pro-regime people were out on the streets flagwaving again today (Wednesday) all over the country. The people of Syria are stirred up. See http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/06/356908.htm.

July 6th, 2011, 6:44 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

Syrian Commando says: “There is history every Syrian knows about, ignorance of it means the person is either a Lebanese scumbag or foreigner….” We know Syrian Commando is very trigger-happy with the insults. This is one of the ones that makes no sense. But I’m glad to see Syrian Commando isn’t counting the Lebanese as foreigners. As an anecdote from my extensive pop music collection, I have a video of a well-known Lebanese singer singing “Souria Baladna” on stage in Syria and getting very warmly applauded for it.

July 6th, 2011, 6:53 pm

 

Aboud said:

@161 “As for Iran threatening Turkey, how is that even remotely similar to a direct intervention in a country’s affair”

You don’t call sending armed goons to prop up a shaky regime “direct intervention”? And please spare me with the disingenuous statements about Iranian involvement. There is better proof on the involvement of Tehran, than any proof you have offered as to the existence of Salafi gangs.

@166 “However, as you said, continued lawlessness cannot be tolerated and those Hamwis setting up road blocks and attacking security (not all Hamwis are on board with these acts) must immediately cease their unlawful behavior or face arrest and prosecution.”

JESUS F*CKING CHRIST do you have an IQ of 50??????? Oh my God only a Baathist could say something like this and actually believe it.

They have EVERY right to blockade their streets and protect themselves after seeing what the regime’s eklaaaaaaaaaaab did in Dar’a, Telkelakh, Baniyas, Baba Amr, Khaldia, Rastan, Talbisi…do I have to go on and on and on? Bravo to the Hamwis I say, don’t let in a single one of those thugs, and make them think twice before trying to haul any of their friends off to jail.

“Law and order”….geesh. Those civilians kept law and order pretty well for two weeks without the need of any of junior’s thugs, and guess what oh clueless one? No one got killed in Hama during that whole time, until your eklab showed up. Yeah, I understand, the half a million people protest must have been quite a khazoooooooooq for you and yours.

July 6th, 2011, 7:10 pm

 

Tar said:

Why,

Forgive me to put you on the spot, but  I would like to hear from you in regard to how you feel about the slaughtering of the Singer from Hama. If it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that the regime is responsible for this savagery, would you still believe that the regime is capable of reform?

July 6th, 2011, 7:11 pm

 
 

Aboud said:

@164 “that somebody needs to keep law and order there. they do not trust the regime but they can not act like they are the police and the government in a city this big”

But for two weeks, Hama was the only city in all of Syria where no one died during demonstrations. It is my opinion that the citizens of this city have done a better job of keeping law and order than the regime’s security apparatuses.

July 6th, 2011, 7:16 pm

 

Darryl said:

Democracy 101

There seems to be alot of treason accusations and this is not healthy if you want to practice democracy. Even the young president himself has said on many occasions that Syrians are ready for democracy when there is respect for differing opinions.

So in democracy, you need to develop consensus and accept a difference of opinion instead of resorting to treason talk. In the west, politicians have a gig debate and fight it but call each other traitors and then have a beer at the pub.

July 6th, 2011, 7:35 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

MAWAL 95

i have the same feeling about the president’s popularity growing stronger

http://www.youtube.com/user/hanannoura#p/u/20/eTEtrzk6vOA

from 04:30 to 08:50

watch this beautiful demo in Sa7naya with the presence side by side of muslims , druzes and christians

share and enjoy !

July 6th, 2011, 7:35 pm

 

NK said:

Someone should start a (Laugh With The Comrades) series or something, their statements are just priceless.

http://www.the-syrian.com/archives/16020

July 6th, 2011, 7:44 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

As I write now, SANA.SY is reporting that on Wednesday 6 July “More than one million people from Aleppo province participated in carrying a 2300 meters long and 18 meters Syrian flag, stretching from al-Bassel square to al-Lermon square.” http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/06/356908.htm

Earlier in the day, SANA was reporting the figure as “hundreds of thousands of people”. From what videos of it I saw at Youtube, I think there could not have been anything close to “more than one million”. If you’ve seen a video of it makes you think to the contrary, please post the link.

To have 1 million people spread along 2300 meters, you’d need 400 people abreast at each meter. Which I don’t see in the video. I am worried about this question because I’m suspecting that SANA’s reporters are adopting the opposition practice of being reckless and unscrupulous with the truth, when they report 1 million people. If the real figure is not much over 100,000 it is going to greatly hurt everybody’s ability to separate illusion from reality and separate what is real from what is fake in Syria.

July 6th, 2011, 7:50 pm

 

Aboud said:

@173 “In the west, politicians have a gig debate and fight it but call each other traitors and then have a beer at the pub.”

I doubt they will have many drinks together if one side invited Iranians in to torture and kill their own people. When did a country so willingly became so subservient to a foreign theocracy, and then gone on to develop a democratic society?

@176 I will graciously grant you that there were 1 million people. Heck, kermal a3yonak, 1.5 million.

It…doesn’t…matter. When will the regime get it into their heads, as long as anti-regime demonstrations cannot take place without the city running a risk of an invasion by tanks, these orchestrated “menhibaaaak wallah bedbah awladi kermalaaaaaak ya Bashaaaaaaaaar” will impress no one, and only serve to underline, in three very bold lines, the regime’s feelings of insecurity.

July 6th, 2011, 7:54 pm

 

Abughassan said:

I understand the argument that the presence of security forces and the aggressive display of fire power in Hama made things worse,not better,but how can a city of 800,000 function without police and government services?
This is why negotiations are underway to reach a solution that satisfies the people but keep order and security,this means not allowing thugs to take

advantage of a security vacuum.lessons from Egypt,like in the province of al-suwais,clearly illustrate my point. The two extremes presented by security hawks and anti regime militants pose a danger to regular people,the answer is a
moderate approach that focuses first on respecting the people and leaving them alone as long as they are not breaking the law.peaceful demonstrations are not
illegal,just to remind some,but burning buildings and destroying property is illegal whether it is done in Hama or Switzerland.one thing that is overdue is the release of Syrians who did not break the law but were picked up “preventively ” by a security force that still has a mindset that belongs to the 60s.
As for Iran’s involvement,I have to say that I yet have to see a single piece of hard evidence that Iranians have directly participated in this uprising. The regime does not need any material help in that venue,at least not yet,and unless things get really ugly,unlikely,you will not see any Iranians firing on Syrians or torturing Syrians because this will seal the end of any support the regime may still have.

July 6th, 2011, 7:57 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

@VLAD: Thanks for that. Here’s from the same youtube user (HananNoura). What’s your estimate for the crowd size, knowing the flag’s length is 2300 meters?

July 6th, 2011, 8:03 pm

 

Aboud said:

@178 “This is why negotiations are underway to reach a solution that satisfies the people ”

No, sorry but I don’t think you do understand. You don’t understand past experiences with this regime when it came to “negotiations”

Back in April, when the New Clock square in Homs was filled to the brim with demonstrations as large as those in Hama, the regime sent representatives to supposedly “negotiate” with sheikhs. At exactly 2:30 am, the sheikhs were locked in, and the security forces opened fire on the demonstrators. People were chased and gunned down in the streets. Not one had a weapon on them, there was no vandalism or destruction of public property of any sort that day. It was a bloody crackdown by a regime that knows no other way.

Same thing in Telkelakh. The regime supposedly reached an agreement with its inhabitants to stay out of Telkelakh if the protests were peaceful. They were, very peaceful, but they got too big for the regime’s liking. The town’s Baath party members resigned from the party, and the tanks were sent in to shell it. The flood of refugees crossing the Lebanese border was a public relations disaster for the regime, and testimony from those terrible days will be the basis on which Bashar Assad and Maher end up in the Hague.

And of course, who can forget the ultimate betrayal, the height of double dealing; all the “delegations” from Dar’a received by Bashar himself. It turned out to be a ploy to pinpoint the leaders of the protests. When Baath party members from Dar’a resigned en mass, the 4th Division was sent in, and Dar’a was subjected to a siege much worse than anything the Israelis are imposing on Gaza.

Sorry, but I think you’ll understand if personally, I’d rather take my chances with a “security vacuum” than depend on the word of a regime that has a perfect record in breaking it.

July 6th, 2011, 8:14 pm

 

jad said:

«البعث» بين متنافسين … في تعددية سياسية
اللقاء التشاوري السوري يمهّد لتعديل الدستور في آب

زياد حيدر
تتحرك عربة «اللقاء التشاوري» الاحد المقبل بمن حضر، وسيجلس ما يقارب 244 مدعوا على كراسيهم بحضور ضيوف من خارج البلاد، ويبحثون في أوضاع سوريا الراهنة، كما جملة من القوانين من بينها التعديلات الدستورية المقترحة، والتي تتوج بجلسة برلمانية في آب المقبل، وتنقل الدستور من وضعه الراهن إلى آخر أوسع أفقاً، يسمح بتعددية سياسية، تمهد لفرص مناقشة تغيير دستوري حين تنضج الحياة السياسية في سوريا، وفق ما يقول مسؤول سوري رفيع المستوى لـ«السفير».
وفيما يجري ذلك، من المرجح أن تجتمع كوادر حزب البعث في مؤتمر قطري عاجل، ينتخب لجنة مركزية جديدة للحزب وأخرى قطرية، تكيفا مع القوانين الجديدة التي ستفرز لا محالة مناخا جديدا على المستويات السياسية والاقتصادية في البلاد، يصبح فيها حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي منافسا على السلطة لا محتكرا لها، وفق المسؤول السوري الذي يؤكد «أن الحزب يجري حوارات داخلية، تمثل الأطياف المختلفة للحزب، والتي لها رؤى مختلفة للإصلاح في البلاد» و«يستعد للتأقلم مع المتغيرات»، فيما بات بحكم المؤكد تأجيل الانتخابات البرلمانية حتى تصبح «الحياة السياسية متبلورة وتخرج الأحزاب السياسية الجديدة إلى النور».
ووفقا للمعطيات الأولية فإن الشكلين الوليدين نسبيا للسلطة
والمعارضة سيصقلان خلال الشهرين المقبلين. فبينما تصبح السلطة هي سلطة الدولة السورية، المنفصلة عن سلطة الحزب قانونيا، ستقوم المعارضة المشتتة بتجميع صفوفها، سواء عبر فرز الشارع أو ترتيب بيوت النخب الفكرية وفق أحزاب محددة، وذلك من دون تيار ديني، كما يبدو، ممثل لجماعة الإخوان المسلمين التي يبدو للبعض أنها أطلقت على مؤيديها النار بحضور ممثلها لقاء باريس وذلك من وجهتي نظر السلطة والمعارضة.
وأمس أكدت المعارضة المتمثلة بهيئة التنسيق للتغيير الوطني الديموقراطي بالإجماع رفضها حضور اللقاء التشاوري، معللة ذلك بالأسباب المعروفة من «عدم توفر مناخ مناسب للحوار». وهو رفض قبلته هيئة «الحوار الوطني»، راضية عما بذلته من جهود ولا سيما اللقاءات المكوكية لعضو الهيئة الاقتصادي منير الحمش مع منسق هيئة التنسيق المعارضة حسن عبد العظيم ومنسق لجنة اللقاء الوطني لؤي حسين وآخرين بهدف الاستماع لرؤيتهم وإقناعهم بالحضور.
وقال مصدر في الهيئة لـ«السفير» إنها كانت «حريصة على حضور ممثلي المعارضة المنظمة، وإنها بذلت جهودا في سبيل ذلك»، ولكن من دون أن يعني أن غياب الصوت المنظم فيها غياب رأيها، موضحا أن «ثمة مدعوين أكدوا حضورهم ممن يمكن اعتبارهم من المعارضة غير المنظمة»، لافتا إلى أن الحوار الوطني عموما لا يقتصر على المعارضة كونها «لا تمثل سوى جزء بسيط من التكوين المجتمعي». واعتبر أنه أيا كان الحضور فإن «الإصلاح مستمر، وإجراءاته قيد النقاش».
وأمس كانت لائحة المدعوين تكبر من مكان، وتتقلص في مكان آخر. فبينما كان بعض أقطاب المعارضة يعلن اعتذاره عن المشاركة في اللقاء، وآخرين يبقون على هواتفهم مغلقة تجنبا لقول رأي فصل، كانت تتم بالكثافة نفسها دعوة مستقلين يمثلون الكفة الأكبر من اللقاء، ويعبرون عن خلفيات متنوعة من المعارضة الصريحة، ولكن غير المتحزبة إلى الاصطفاف الفكري والعقائدي مع السلطة.
ويأمل المنظمون أن يوفر هذا التنوع مناخا حيويا للحوار، يسمح بخروجه بنتائج، بين أبرزها رفع مقترحات القوانين الجاهزة بحيث يتم إقرارها، سواء عبر سلطات الرئيس الدستورية أو عبر مجلس الشعب في جلسة تعقد نتيجة تأجيل الانتخابات العامة في آب.
ووفقا لما أوضحه مسؤول سوري رفيع المستوى لـ«السفير» فإن هذه الانتخابات مؤجلة الآن حتى «تتبلور الحياة السياسية وتخرج الأحزاب الجديدة إلى النور»، مشيرا إلى أن التعديلات الدستورية التي ستجري على أبعد تقدير الشهر المقبل، ستسمح لقانون الأحزاب الجديد بالحياة، وبالتالي ستهيئ المناخ لنشوء تيارات سياسية منظمة تتنافس مع حزب البعث في الانتخابات البرلمانية المقبلة. ولا يخفى في هذا السياق التحدي الذي يمثله هذا لحزب لم يخض منافسات فعلية منذ عقود من الزمن، مشيرا إلى أن ماكينة الحزب تتهيأ في حواراتها الداخلية لخوض هذا الأفق، وهو ما يمكن أن ينتهي إلى إعلان موعد جديد لمؤتمر قطري يسمح للحزب بمناقشة هذه التحولات وإقرارها.
إلى ذلك، (أ ف ب، أ ب، رويترز، أ ش أ) دعا الناشطون على صفحة «الثورة السورية 2011» على «فيسبوك» إلى تظاهرات في سوريا غدا الجمعة أطلقوا عليها شعار «لا للحوار». وقالت «لجان التنسيق المحلية للمتظاهرين»، في بيان، «إن اللقاء المذكور (التشاوري) وكل ما ينبثق عنه لا يشكل بحال من الأحوال حوارا وطنيا حقيقيا يمكن البناء عليه».
وقال وزير الخارجية الإيراني علي اكبر صالحي، لوكالة «مهر»، «الجمهورية الإسلامية لديها موقف مبدئي وتعتقد أنه في أي بلد بالعالم، سواء في البحرين أو ليبيا أو غيرهما، ينتفض الغالبية من أبناء الشعب من اجل مطالب مشروعة، بأنه يجب تلبية مطالبهم». وشدد على «ضرورة التمييز بين الانتفاضات الشعبية وتحركات عدة قليلة في بعض الدول بدعم من بعض الجهات لاستغلال الأجواء الحاصلة من الثورات الشعبية بالمنطقة، كما هي الحال مع الوضع في سوريا». وأضاف «إذا كانت لدى غالبية الشعب السوري مطالب مشروعة ينبغي على حكومة بشار الأسد تلبيتها، وقد فعلت ذلك ووفت بوعدها بتحسين الأوضاع».
وأعلن السفير الأميركي في دمشق روبرت فورد، في بيان، أن «التحذير من السفر إلى سوريا سيبقى قائما». وأضاف «على عكس المزاعم التي نقلتها بعض التقارير الإعلامية المدفوعة سياسيا، فإن التحذير من السفر إلى سوريا ليس له أدنى علاقة بالسياسة، وهو استجابة بحتة للمعاملة التي تلقاها المواطنون الأميركيون في سوريا وللمخاطر التي تمثلها المشكلات الجديدة بسبب الوضع الأمني. لقد أوضحت الولايات المتحدة دعمها لانتقال سياسي وللمزيد من الحرية في سوريا، كما قامت بإجراءات أخرى لتشجيع السلطات السورية على معالجة المطالب الشعبية في التغيير والحرية».
ونقلت وكالة الأنباء السورية (سانا) عن مصدر مسؤول في حماه قوله «قامت مجموعات مخربة في حماه أمس (الأول) بقطع طرق ونصب الحواجز وإشعال الإطارات في عدد من أحياء المدينة والقيام بعمليات تخريبية وإحراق باص نقل داخلي على طريق حلب – حماه».
وأضاف إن «قوات حفظ النظام تدخلت لإعادة الأمن والاستقرار إلى المناطق التي شهدت عمليات قطع طرق وتخريب فتعرضت لهجوم من قبل مجموعات مسلحة بقنابل مولوتوف ومسمارية وإطلاق رصاص، ما أدى إلى اشتباك مع هذه المجموعات استشهد على أثره أحد عناصر قوات حفظ النظام وأصيب 13، كما جرح عدد من المسلحين وألقي القبض على البعض منهم».
وقال رئيس المنظمة الوطنية لحقوق الإنسان في سوريا عمار القربي في بيان «ارتفع عدد قتلى (أول من أمس) في حماه إلى أكثر من 22 شهيدا، ووصل عدد الجرحى إلى 80». وقال نشطاء إن بعض الدبابات تحركت لتتمركز في مواقع بعيدة عن المدينة. وقال مقيم إن «قوات الأمن تتركز الآن بصورة أساسية حول مقر حزب البعث ومقر قيادة الشرطة ومجمع أمني»، فيما أعلن «المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان» أن الجيش دخل إلى مناطق جديدة في جبل الزاوية بمحافظة إدلب.
وأعلن المتحدث باسم اللجنة الدولية للصليب الأحمر هشام حسن أن وفدا من اللجنة دخل إلى درعا وإدلب بهدف إجراء «تقييم سريع للاحتياجات من اجل التمكن من نقل مساعدة في اقرب وقت» إلى السكان. وأوضح انه عندما تنقل بعثة التقييم استنتاجاتها فإن اللجنة الدولية للصليب الأحمر ستتمكن من إيصال المساعدة إلى سوريا. وتابع «إنها مجرد مسألة تنظيم»، مشيرا إلى اللجنة الدولية للصليب الأحمر قدمت أثناء زيارتها إلى درعا وإدلب أدوات إسعاف أولية إلى السكان.
وذكرت «سانا» أن «الفعاليات الشعبية والأهلية والشبابية في المحافظات واصلت نشاطاتها الوطنية للتعبير عن دعمها لبرنامج الإصلاح الشامل بقيادة الرئيس بشار الأسد، ورفضها لمحاولات التدخل الخارجي وحملات التحريض الإعلامي ضد سوريا بهدف النيل من مواقفها الوطنية والقومية». وأشارت إلى أن «هذه الفعاليات نظمت مسيرات شعبية واعتصامات ووقفات تضامنية في درعا وحمص وطرطوس واللاذقية، كما تواصلت حملات دعم الليرة السورية في معظم المحافظات». وذكرت أن مئات الآلاف شــاركوا في حـلب برفع علم سوري بطول 2300 مـتر.
وذكرت «سانا» أن الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد بحث خلال اتصال أجراه بملك البحرين حمد بن عيسى آل خليفة «الأوضاع في كل من البحرين وسوريا». وأكد الأسد «دعم سوريا لحوار التوافق الوطني البحريني الذي دعا إليه الملك حمد ولكل ما من شأنه حفظ الأمن والاستقرار في مملكة البحرين الشقيقة».

http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=1889&articleId=755&ChannelId=44525&Author=%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%20%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%B1

July 6th, 2011, 8:23 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

I say less than fifty thousand people participated in the flagwaving cermony in Aleppo on Wednesday. SANA.SY says “more than one million people” (and the site says that in Arabic, English and French).

July 6th, 2011, 8:30 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

MAWAL95

i expressed a subjective appreciation therefore the real size of the “crowd” as you say does not matter.

July 6th, 2011, 8:59 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

ABOUD LA HARIRI

انت لهجتك زفتية . اكيد انت مو سوري

July 6th, 2011, 9:03 pm

 

daleandersen said:

Memo to: DARRYL

RE: “…There seems to be alot of treason accusations…”

Relax. It’s the heightened paranoia taking effect just before the shit hits the fan. Strap yourself in, boy. Gonna be a bumpy ride…

Paranoia will destroy ya!

July 6th, 2011, 9:09 pm

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Aboud f…Pig
You putting the f word between Jesus and christ words gives the award of :The fealthiest Pig of Syrian revolution.I dont know your religion,but whatever it is put that f word in what you believe in,this site and Syria should be cleaned from pigs like you.Apologize from other respected posters here but I can’t stand this pig any more.by the way Aboud f..pig Hama was not the only city where ther was no killing,every place where ther is no f… MB pigs like you there is so far no killing or even scratching:like Alhasaka,Qamishly,Rasaleen,Amooda,Derbasia..
Now Aboud f…pig go have some dirt for dinner.
PS: every one the official name for Abood is Abouud f…pig.

July 6th, 2011, 10:07 pm

 

louai said:

أجندة مفتوحة: مع الفيلسوف الفرنسي برنار هنري ليفي (the new friend of Syria)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic/multimedia/2011/07/110706_open_agenda_levi.shtml

July 6th, 2011, 10:11 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#168 Mawal95

You’ve clearly never been to Syrian primary+high school. EVERYONE knows about the wars, even small details. Expats would know even more, since all of them would read up on Syria as much as they could.

Also yes, I also count Lebanese as Syrians who don’t know any better. 😉

July 6th, 2011, 10:35 pm

 

Mick said:

Dear Opposition,

I have a question. Defectors and opposition members have told quite a story about the Syrian Military. Since it has been thrown out piecemeal, I have gathered it all together. Please tell me the following:

Was only the 4th div involved in Dar’a? Or was there a grouping of 14th/5th/4th division?

Just curious.

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In the early stages of the uprising, in Deraa, elements of the largely conscript and mainly Sunni 5th Division sought to prevent the largely Alawite 4th Division from firing on demonstrators.

http://jonathanspyer.com/2011/06/14/syria-the-army-is-the-key/

I joined the armed forces in order to defend the people. We are called “defenders of the homeland,” and we are meant to defend the people from the Israeli enemy. After the things I have seen – the crimes committed in Dar’a and all over Syria – I can no longer be a part of the Arab Syrian army, in light of what the army is doing in Dar’a and elsewhere.

http://www.memri.org/clip_transcript/en/2969.htm

The conscript said he was a sniper in the 14th Division of the Syrian army.

“When we were traveling from Damascus to Daraa we were singing, ‘We are going to fight the infiltrators,'” the sniper said. “But when we arrived there, we were shocked by the truth. We discovered the government had betrayed us.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=syrian-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-unarmed-civilians-2011-07-06

‘Though Adham doesn’t believe that there is any Salafi element propelling the uprising in Dera’a, he acknowledges that an anti-Alawi sentiment is growing among the Sunni community, as would understandably be the case when the people watch an Alawi-controlled military roll tanks into their communities. “There are already 3 armies based near the city of Dera’a. But the government didn’t use them to attack the city. Why not? Because they contain many young men from around the country, including many young Sunni men, who wouldn’t want to attack the people.Instead they brought Maher’s special army all the way from Qatana. It is the special army that is loyal to him.” (Qatana is located a short distance west of Damascus.)’

http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=9986

The big and somehow strange story is the 4 and 5 division fought each other ! but not cause of dissent but because how the 4 division treats the other army divisions. Apparently they bombed each other with tanks !! and literally hundreds of them were killed.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/05/report-from-syria.html

As a result, the sources said, Assad has used the 5th Division for perimeter security while a range of plainclothes and other forces shoot demonstrators. The division has also been reinforced by the 132nd Battalion, deemed as loyal.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2011/me_syria0530_05_04.asp

So the 5th and 14th Division soldiers were there, but weren’t there. They fought the 4th…but supported them. They killed each other by the hundreds!

Is there any wonder why no one believes the bullshit?

July 6th, 2011, 11:35 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

Contrary to other countries, I don’t think the baathist party has a policy of eliminating their opposition by murdering them, the proof is the number of opposition leaders who are in their 80’s after having spent time in prison.
Cruel animal instincts are easily triggered when people are animated by fear, hatred or encouraged to hate as it is the case in any uprising or war. There is a morbid hysteria that take over some people and they can perform hideous crimes.
I doubt there will be investigation about all the crimes perpetuated during this horrible uprising, as there has been none after the Lebanese civil war, so we will never know. I condemn vicious crimes from whatever side.
What is important is to calm people, not excite them with hate and revenge as it gets easily out of control.

If some people want Basha Al Assad to go when it is clear that the majority of Syrians (incuding the local opposition intellectuals) and the international community want him to stay to continue with the reforms, then these people are simply anarchists because, not having any political alternative, their only aim is chaos. Anarchists are fought with weapons if necessary. They are not martyrs to any cause, they are traitors to the nation and should go on trial if they survive the crackdown. Hama and the other ‘restive’ towns, despite the romanticism associated with anarchism, are dangerous to the majority and if they are not brought up to their senses by their leaders, then they will bear the consequences of their wrong choice.
If people keep on having peaceful (and authorized) demonstrations with specific requests then they would continue to put pressure for these reforms to happen without blood and confrontation.

July 6th, 2011, 11:40 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

MICK,

>In the early stages of the uprising, in Deraa, elements of the largely conscript and mainly Sunni 5th Division sought to prevent the largely Alawite 4th Division from firing on demonstrators.

You can even stop right there because:

1. The 4th division is not “largely Alawite”. What a load of crap.
2. The 4th division did not even need to enter Dar3a.
3. The same liars claimed the 4th division was involved in Jisr al-Shaghour, Homs etc. what is it, a flying tank army?

You’re right, no one can believe this nonsense… well, we thought, right. And yet, here we are.

Just look how poisonous Angry jArab’s post was. Man, what a huge disappointment that guy turned out to be.

July 6th, 2011, 11:50 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

You were asking about how to lean about other religions, that is an original experience in Turkey and a interesting conclusion.

Muslim for a Month
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=muslim-for-a-month-2011-07-06

…..We minimize conflict by simply not talking about the huge, irreconcilable differences in our religious convictions. (The non-religious play the same game; they rarely challenge the beliefs of the believers either.) It’s not an attractive behavior and it doesn’t always avert conflict, but most of the time it works. On most of the planet, we are no longer at each other’s throats about religion.

July 6th, 2011, 11:52 pm

 

daleandersen said:

Memo to: SYRIA NO KANDAHAR

re: “…Apologize to the other respected posters…”

Apology accepted.

You were right to call Aboud a fuckpig. The man is a nasty trifler and a low-rent sleazebag. I agree it’s infuriating that he and those of his ilk cannot being themselves to trust Bashar Assad. I mean, come on, Bashar’s wife, the first lady of Syria, was featured in Vogue Magazine. If you can’t trust Vogue, who can you trust?

July 7th, 2011, 12:10 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>Hama and the other ‘restive’ towns, despite the romanticism associated with anarchism, are dangerous to the majority and if they are not brought up to their senses by their leaders, then they will bear the consequences of their wrong choice.
If people keep on having peaceful (and authorized) demonstrations with specific requests then they would continue to put pressure for these reforms to happen without blood and confrontation.

Well put!

July 7th, 2011, 12:14 am

 

Syria no kandahar said:

Why discuss
I dis agree with you about the religion not being source of a lot of problems.look at Syria now.you can see that the charcoal of religious conflicts is so hot and ready to blow into a full blown fire with a little wind.our feelings of unity and identity and nationalism are all decayed internal withe religious infections.there is no reason for any of us to fool ourselves any more,and discount religion as a source of illness more than a source of health in our society.we should be a shamed of ourselves to be so nationally immunocompromized that with a the first case of sectarian flu we had,we almost died.If you think about it there is nothing which makes us divided except religion(including sectarianism).if it was not for religion there would be no MB,no Salafi,no Wahabi,no Alawi,no Sunni…
The designer of this crisis knew exactly that.MB controls the death button,control the armfullness or the peacefulness,controls the slogans…MB is a religious wolf dressed in political uniform…briefly stating it looks like the العروبة is proven to be a myth,the Syrian identity card is very quickly being eaten by the religion fire.

July 7th, 2011, 12:16 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>Syrian identity card is very quickly being eaten by the religion fire

Let’s not be so dramatic. A lot of problems can be blamed on religion, I agree, but religion is simply unaviodable. Even atheism is a religion. In the end you cannot escape belief and I tell you, liberalism as practiced in the west, is actually a new age religion. I find this just as dangerous as our “choral” of religions.

You have to be positive, this wasn’t simply a “cold”, we were attacked by virtually every state in the world, even Turkey. Despite all of that we remain unified. Can you image what would have happened in other countries?

Like free speech and democracy, religion is something you can trust Syria with.

The evangalists, the zionists, the salafists, shiahabis and so on, all of these scum will appear regardless of religion. When they’re finished attacking their targets, they will simply attack themselves. It is this disease that we must cleanse.

July 7th, 2011, 12:25 am

 

why-discuss said:

Syria No Kandahar

Religions are certainly sources of conflicts are they are irreconcilable, each one believes his/her religion is “better” than the other.

In periods of vacuum, of lack of directions, of confusion, of despair, people turn to religion to get strength and answers. Because of that, people in that state of mind can easily be manipulated as answers are not coming from God, but from faillible people, so they are not always motivated by real religious feelings.

This is why the advice of the journalist is clear: Stop talking about religions differences,( but talk about the religion common tenets)

“We minimize conflict by simply not talking about the huge, irreconcilable differences in our religious convictions. … It’s not an attractive behavior and it doesn’t always avert conflict, but most of the time it works. On most of the planet, we are no longer at each other’s throats about religion.”

July 7th, 2011, 12:50 am

 

Samara said:

Dale,

I miss Dragon Ball Z…so, what was your point??

Leave mart 3umi out of your discussions. Honestly, its getting old. If you get off on baging a woman, it says a lot about you.

July 7th, 2011, 1:08 am

 

Samara said:

The religions of Islam, Christianity and Jewish are all very common. If you think about it, the Muslims and the Jewish are actually cousins. There is Izack, Joacob, Yousef…and so on. Christians and Muslims- we all believe in Jesus, obviously in our own ways. But put these similarities together, it will create unity rather than division. Even the different sects of the Muslim religion. We all are Muslim. We all believe in Mohamed (as). There are the extrimists who think that only thy deserve to be Muslim, but them aside we all have a common belief. Religion is life. It should not be exploited.

July 7th, 2011, 1:17 am

 

Revlon said:

Hama lived through a night of terror.

Last night, a friend spoke to her family in Hama.
Her mother’s voice was quivering.
She said the sound of gun fire was so loud that it felt like in the backyard.
No electricity or internet of course.
The city was on General strike.
There were rumours that public water was poisoned, so people stopped using it for drinking and in their food.

It all sounds like Hama part II.

July 7th, 2011, 1:19 am

 

jad said:

الشرع لـ«الحياة»: الحوار الوطني لتغيير المناخ وصولاً إلى نظام تعددي بدور بارز لصناديق الاقتراع

الخميس, 07 يوليو 2011
دمشق – إبراهيم حميدي

“قال نائب الرئيس السوري فاروق الشرع في حديث الى «الحياة» إن الحوار الوطني في سورية يرمي الى «تغيير» المناخ العام والتأثير الإيجابي في مزاج المواطنين وبحث المشاركين تطوير «البنية» السياسية والاقتصادية والاجتماعية وصولاً الى «نظام تعددي ديموقراطي، يكون لصناديق الاقتراع والانتخابات النزيهة الدور البارز»”

“وأوضح الشرع أن الحوار يرمي الى تحقيق هدفين: «الأول، آني ومباشر، يساهم -كما نأمل- في تغيير المناخ العام في سورية والتأثير على مزاج المواطنين بصورة إيجابية. الثاني، هو الأساس لأنه يعنى بتغيير وتطوير البنية السياسية والاقتصادية والاجتماعية للبلاد من خلال المراسيم التشريعية والقوانين المطروحة والمؤسسات التشريعية المنتخبة لإقامة نظام تعددي ديموقراطي سيكون لصناديق الاقتراع والانتخابات النزيهة، الدور البارز لها في صوغ مستقبل سورية الوطني»”

“وسئل نائب الرئيس السوري عن الاتصالات غير الرسمية التي أجريت مع شخصيات معارضة تمهيداً للقاء، فأوضح: «كان من الطبيعي أن تحصل لقاءات تمهيدية غير معلنة بين بعض أعضاء هيئة الحوار وبين الشخصيات المعارضة، مباشرة أو عبر الانترنت». وأوضح رداً على سؤال آخر يتعلق بمطالب وضعها معارضون للمشاركة في الحوار: «أكدنا عدم وجود شروط مسبقة من قبل أي طرف. لكن كل شيء مطروح على طاولة الحوار المستديرة بمضمون واحد وتحت سقف الوطن وبلغة مهذبة بعيدة عن التجريح والاتهام والتخوين». وزاد إن الهدف من الحوار هو «طي صفحة الماضي وفتح صفحة جديدة باتجاه المستقبل. فالوطن الموحد القوي الآمن الديموقراطي التعددي هو وطن جميع السوريين والدعوات تمت على أساس حزبي وفردي، وهذا هو قرار هيئة الحوار».”

“وسئل الشرع عن أسباب عدم دعوة شخصيات في «الإخوان المسلمين» الى الحوار وعن رأيه بالحركات الإسلامية، فأوضح أن «الإسلام دين عظيم للبشرية جمعاء منتشر على امتداد المعمورة يتبنى حقوق الإنسان الأساسية التي تبنتها أوروبا وأميركا منذ مائتي عام فقط. دين لا يستطيع أحد احتكاره أو الاستئثار به أو تطويبه على ملكيته الخاصة. لكن أميركا وإسرائيل حاولتا منذ ثمانيات القرن الماضي ربط الإسلام بالإرهاب والمقاومة الإسلامية ضد الاحتلال الإسرائيلي بالإرهاب. بالتالي نحن نرى أن الإسلام الحقيقي لا يقبل الانجرار للأجنبي وراء خدمة أهداف العدو، ولا يقبل الاستقواء بالأجنبي. لذلك لم يكن غريباً أن تكون علاقاتنا مع «إخوان» مصر في عهد (الرئيس المصري السابق حسني) مبارك جيدة، على رغم أنها كانت سيئة مع النظام (المصري). كما كانت علاقاتنا مع «إخوان» الأردن قائمة على الحرص المشترك في دعم المقاومة في فلسطين، على رغم سوء تفاهم بين «حماس» والمملكة (الأردنية)».

وعن تقويمه للقاءات المعارضين والمستقلين التي أجريت أخيراً في دمشق مثل لقاء «سورية للجميع» ومؤتمر النواب المستقلين، قال نائب الشرع لـ «الحياة»: «أرى، ويرى كثيرون في الداخل والخارج أن لقاءات المعارضين الأخيرة، ومن بينهم مستقلون أو حياديون، كانت إيجابية أو فيها نقاط إيجابية وخصوصاً تلك التي ركزت على وحدة الوطن ورفض الاستقواء بالخارج».”

http://international.daralhayat.com/internationalarticle/285467

July 7th, 2011, 1:21 am

 

jad said:

The story of last night in Hama not from Aunti Oum M7mad!

شـبـكـة أخـبـار حـمـاه | H.N.N
السادسة والنصف من فجر يوم الخميس 7-7-2011:
– على مدار الأربع وعشرين ساعة الماضية والحال في مدينة حماة على ماهو عليه،
شوارع خالية من البشر والسيارات، المحلات التجارية مغلقة، الحواجز الحجرية والحديدية في كل مكان يقف الى جانبها عدد من الأشخاص للحراسة.

– ليلة هادئة وحذرة حذرٌ مخيف وغير مسبوق في مدينتنا الغالية، تخلل ساعات الليل وتحديدآ قبل أذان الفجر الساعة 3:30 تكبيرات عالية على الأرجح من منطقة “غرب المشتل” و”القصور”..؟

– ردآ على شائعة المياه المسممة في حماه فنقول:
هذه الإشاعة مطروقة مسبقآ في “درعا” وغيرها.. إبحثوا عن غيرها.
حدثت بعض حالات الإسهال بعد عودة المياه التي كانت مقطوعة في المدينة بسبب ترسبات معدنية في أنابيب وتوصيلات المياه للمنازل.. مما أدى لبعض هذه الحالات،
ولذا ننصح بفتح الصنبور لمدة كافية قبل الشرب.

– عادت الكهرباء لجميع أنحاء المدينة والحمدلله.

– لوحظ إطفاء للعديد من الإطارات المشتعلة من قبل المخربين في بعض المناطق مثل “دوار البعث والثكنة” نزولآ عند رغبة الاهالي الذين تضرروا جراء استنشاقهم للهواء الملوث.

اللهمَّ آمِنّا في أوطَانِنا وجَنِّبنا الفِتَنْ .. ما ظَهَرَ مِنْها ومَا بَطنْ

July 7th, 2011, 1:28 am

 

Samara said:

Revlon,

If it is Hama part II as you put it, then lets pray that this time, ALL the MBUTTS and their affiliates are slaughtered. Syria could do with a bit of cleaning. So well start with you and your brotherhood.

July 7th, 2011, 1:37 am

 

Syria no kandahat said:

Why discuss
I totally agree.the problem is 98%of syrians are very religious and sectarian.
On a different subject is there any free democratic nation which allows what they are asking Syria to do.let us take the US for example,50% of Americans are against prs Obama,they don’t like him,and they can say that publically without any problem.let’s take that to the Hama stage,would the US allow 5 million people to gather in say new York and organize sort of Hama style event where they will bring a singer and shout the way Hamawi did:طز فيك. طز باخوك. ياكزاب. تضرب سقطت شرعيتك. Off course all that in English ,and then have all new York be empty of any police or army,and close the roads by blocking them?
In the early 90s there was the incident of David korish in Texas,wher the FBI raided his compound,was that a freedom,how is Syria being asked to turn a whole city into compound?
In 2001 post 9/11 Arabs were being arrested just because they were Arabs driving a van with some cash and hammer..Arabs from countries no friendly with Israel ,were asked to go for special registration,the kustavo way,they were arrested and deported,that is all fine,and it is within the rights of every nation to do what is best for it’s interest ,it is just those democracy lessons that don’t make sense.

July 7th, 2011, 1:39 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

It really saddens me that an entire city is laid seige by these MB remanents. Closing roads and committing a “general strike” in a single city, serves to starve out the population.

The government must not be weak handed, the people of Hama must be protected from these terrorists and traitors. Even if a large portion of Hama is aligned with them, they’re not the majority and certainly not representative of the entire country. It is unacceptable that a city in the heart of Syria can “cut itself” off from the rest, no country in the world would accept this. If they think their idealogy is so popular, take it to elections once reforms have been completed.

July 7th, 2011, 1:45 am

 

Mawal95 said:

As said above, SANA is reporting the crowd size in Aleppo at the flagwaving cermony yesterday at over one million (ref) whereas video of it shows it’s well less than 50,000 (ref). I’m going to take it that this is some sort of lampoon or satire by SANA, alluding to the Hama crowd size last Friday that was reported by the Western media at 200,000 or 400,000 or suchlike while the Hama video showed the crowd size was 15,000 or suchlike. Assuming it’s a lampoon, I’m not amused.

July 7th, 2011, 3:08 am

 

N.Z. said:

كلنا الشهيد البطل إبراهيم قاشوش
ويا بشار ويا مندس تضرب إنت وحزب البعث روح صلح
حرف الإس ويا الله إرحل يا بشار
الله محيي أهل الريف واحد منهم ما منعيف نقسم معاهم
الرغيف ورأس الفتنة يا بشار
حاسس إني مو مطول و على أمن الدولة محول ويالله إرحل يا بشار
علمتونا نحسد بعض وسويتوا الرشاوي فرض علينا وما أغلى
العرض ويلعن عرضك يا بشار
نحنا الكل منفدي الكل ولحظة وحدة ما منمل والحر ما بيرضى
الذل ويا الله إرحل يا بشار
======

Mr. Ibrahim kashoush, was slaughtered for singing these words on Friday . May God bless his soul and the souls of the tens of thousandts before him.

He is Bou Azaizi of Syria.

July 7th, 2011, 3:18 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

I’d say it was easily well over 100,000 or so. Funnily enough, CNN with its usual venom, reported “thousands”. Keep in mind there was more people in the demonstrations than just the road-flag one.

I thought Hama was around 70-80k, how do you know for sure that it was 15k?

July 7th, 2011, 3:22 am

 

N.Z. said:

كلنا الشهيد البطل إبراهيم قاشوش
ويا بشار ويا مندس تضرب إنت وحزب البعث روح صلح
حرف الإس ويا الله إرحل يا بشار
الله محيي أهل الريف واحد منهم ما منعيف نقسم معاهم
الرغيف ورأس الفتنة يا بشار
حاسس إني مو مطول و على أمن الدولة محول ويالله إرحل يا بشار
علمتونا نحسد بعض وسويتوا الرشاوي فرض علينا وما أغلى
العرض ويلعن عرضك يا بشار
نحنا الكل منفدي الكل ولحظة وحدة ما منمل والحر ما بيرضى
الذل ويا الله إرحل يا بشار
======

Mr. Ibrahim kashoush, was slaughtered for singing these words on Friday . May God bless his soul and the souls of the tens of thousandts before him.

He is Bou Azaizi of Syria.

July 7th, 2011, 3:29 am

 

Aboud said:

@186 Here are some more words for you. Bashar F*cking Assad lackey, Hafez F*cking Assad cockroach, Maher F*cking Assad ass kisser.

@205 “It really saddens me that an entire city is laid seige by these MB remanents. ”

Another idiot heard from. It is the army that is besieging Hama. Even a Baathist Bitch can’t be that stupid. People have the right to defend themselves from Iranian terrorists. Bravo people of Hama!

@204 “In the early 90s there was the incident of David korish in Texas,wher the FBI raided his compound,was that a freedom,how is Syria being asked to turn a whole city into compound?”

Only a Baathist would stretch so far for such a stupid analogy Syria No Khara. The FBI were attacked by those cultists when they tried to serve an arrest warrant, ya ghabi. In Syria, Bashar F*ucking Assad leaves no due process of the law, no courts, no probably cause, no right to trial. So of course the wimpy Baathists bitch when people fight back and defend themselves. The only kind of war they know how to fight is when they send tanks against defenseless civilians, and even then they need the Iranian shits backing them up.

July 7th, 2011, 3:45 am

 

Aboud said:

“I thought Hama was around 70-80k, how do you know for sure that it was 15k?”

Idiot, if it was just 80k, then Bashar F*cking Assad wouldn’t have shit his pants and sent in all his goons, and surrounded Hama with tanks. The BBC, CNN, Al-Arabiya, France 24 and Al Jazeera all report half a million. And unlike the Baathist fake demonstrations, they didn’t need government “incentives” to go out and demonstrate.

July 7th, 2011, 3:52 am

 

Aboud said:

Syrian deserter: ‘It was like a war against your own people’

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/07/05/syria.sniper/index.html

July 7th, 2011, 4:10 am

 

Revlon said:

Tortured and wounded, this young man’s friends managed to santch him back from the thugs of Jr, The Deformer.

July 7th, 2011, 4:21 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Samara,

Just ignore the persona non grata, he’s not Syria or part of the conversation. The spammers cannot be stopped by telling them off, we’ve sufficiently exposed what they’re all about. Beyond this point, conversing with them gives them credence they do not deserve.

Look at the murderous mindset of these life-haters:

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/07/07/356968.htm

Damascus, (SANA) – Hazem Marwan al-Fadli from the area of al-Hajar al-Aswad recounted on Wednesday the details of the attack that nearly cost him his life at the hand of armed masked men who attempted to kill him and use the incident for instigation.

In a statement to the Syrian TV, al-Fadli said that he was approached by three masked men while he was out to buy dinner for his family on Sunday at 11 PM at al-Hajar al-Aswad area, saying that one of the men asked him to participate in a protest but he declined and walked in another direction.

He said that the masked men opened fire on him after he walked around 200 meters, with a bullet perpetrating his right hand and piercing his torso. He fell to the ground and didn’t know who took him to the hospital.

In turn, al-Fadli’s mother, Muna Fares, said that someone called her from unknown number called her at around 11:30 and told her that her son was dead and that his body is at al-Huda Hospiral, and later another man called and said that her son was alive at al-Mujtahed Hospital where she found him later.

She pointed out that they were told that the masked men who attacked her son photographed him while he was lying injured as a martyr, and that she later saw the news of her son’s death on al-Jazeera for two days, affirming that her son is still alive.

In turn, Dr. Assem Abdullah who supervised the youth’s treatment said that arrived at the ER last Sunday suffering from a gunshot injury and that he was in a bad shape, with injuries to his colon and lower back vertebrae, and that he was bleeding due to injuries to the right arm’s arteries.

For every teardrop that a child has for their father, for every teardrop of blood that the sons and daughters of Syria have shed, the criminals behind it will pay dearly. Hariri, Bandar, Erdogan and Khalifa hell itself is coming for you, when the USD collapses you will have to face its inferno.

July 7th, 2011, 4:26 am

 

Aboud said:

“YOU ARE A F.CKING SALAFI WAHIBI WHO ENJOYS PLAYING WITH HIMSELF”

How dare you, I’m not a Salafi! Hehehehe. I love it when their heads hit the roof. It doesn’t take much to set off these Bashar F*cking Assad worshipers.

Notice how not one of these Baathist scum could answer just one of the points I raised in the many posts I made. It is good and well that the people of Hama do not trust the security goons, after the massacres they committed in Homs, Dara’a, Telkelakh, Baniyas, Rastan, Talbesi…heck, Hama was the most peaceful Syrian city when the security scum were out of it. And lo and behold, Hamwis hold a massive demonstrations, and Bashar F*cking Assad suddenly discovers it has armed Salafis.

Bashar F*cking Assad’s leadership throughout this has been muddled, indecisive and unfocused. He needs the Iranians to hold it for him when he pisses.

July 7th, 2011, 4:26 am

 

Aboud said:

@214 “Just ignore the persona non grata”

Ah yes, the famous Baathist “ignore them if we don’t like them” approach. Over the years, the world has seen many initiatives in the realm of Foreign Policy, the most famous of which was the Kissinger Doctrine.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you…The Waled Mu’alem Doctrine! Don’t like the politics of a country? Presto, they no longer exist! An entire continent criticizing your murderous crackdown? Remove them from your maps! Just like that, they are gone!

@214 Another pathetic pack of lies from an organization that was created to lie. How is it after four months your punny Bashar still can’t seem to get to grips with this so called “Salafi uprising”? Or tell us who is supposed to be funding them? Or name their leaders? You know, all the things you’d expect to happen in a counter-insurgency.

July 7th, 2011, 4:46 am

 

OFF THE WALL said:

NO SAMARA you did not stoop to anyone’s level, you simply showed us yours, again, and again, and again……

And even then, it lacked wit.

كل اناء باللذي فيه ينضح

July 7th, 2011, 4:47 am

 

Aboud said:

Samara’s “level”

“If it is Hama part II as you put it, then lets pray that this time, ALL the MBUTTS and their affiliates are slaughtered. Syria could do with a bit of cleaning. So well start with you and your brotherhood.”

Dear God, this person is calling for the slaughter of Syrians, just because they don’t bend the knee for junior. Terrible. Horrible. Dear God, the humanity! How could anyone be so blood thirsty towards their fellow Syrians. Such inhumanity.

July 7th, 2011, 4:49 am

 

Samara said:

ABOUD, OFF THE WALL,

Again, you non-Syrians are ones to talk about blood thirstyness. LOL.You idiots make me laugh.

My level is higher than any of yours, ya jahesh. And ABOUD, we do not ‘bend out knees’ for anyone. We kneel only to GOD. But, since you extremist asses kneel the to pigs and donkeys that you love, i dont blame you for saying that. You think all people kneel for those they admire, jus because you do. Bashar, i will willingly jump infrom of a bullet for. But we kneel only to God.

The people i want dead, the people i want to suffer, the people i want to feel the fires of hell, are those like you. Those who have killed, mutilated, decapitated, disembodied and tortured innocent people, including the Syria Soldiers. Those are the poeple whom do not deserve a drop of tears for them. They are the MB, if you actually read my comment properly, you would know that i did not say anything about wanting Syrians dead. I want the MBs dead. They are not Syrian. The ones who destroy and betray the country that fed them, bathed them, and raised them do not deserve to be called Syrian.

July 7th, 2011, 5:05 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Just ignore their provocations, all the above posters have been shown for what they really are to those paying attention. We’re winning, let them hyperventilate while we calculate our next move.

On the ground, I can tell you, it’s looking good. Borders are almost all secured, criminals are dwindling into divided cells. The litmus test is tomorrow, where criminals (or internal infiltrators) will use the opportunity to spark something, but I have a feeling it’ll cool off.

The snakes on twitter and facebook are closing their accounts down as we speak, but me and fellow patriots are archiving all of what they have said. We are dubbing it:

OPERATION ********! [removed for security]

I’ll soon give everyone instructions on how they can help out! These people must be held accountable for the lies they have spread, throwing rotten eggs and pies on their faces virtually. (: Their role must be a stigma that follows them around for the rest of their life, the mark of a traitor that you can’t scrub off with dettol.

We have to be quick though, like criminals that have committed murder, they are cleaning out their accounts or outright deleting it as it might link to their real identity.

July 7th, 2011, 5:11 am

 

HS said:

Counting the demonstrators

One very democratic country with a large culture of street demonstration wanted to have an exact verified count of demonstrators during street march.
The demonstrations were licensed and the organizers were always giving higher figures than the police.
A new computerized project was started.
1) Police and organizers were not even able to agree on the definition of demonstrators :
the one marching , include the onlookers , the blocked people in transportation , even the security personnel , etc
2) Then came the technical problems on estimating the numbers from aerial photographs :
people were hidden under trees , balconies , flag ,
some walking toward the end of the march , some were not moving , some were rushing , etc

The project was abandoned !! ( at everybody’s satisfaction )

Maybe there is a market for Syrian innovation in this domain like there was with this impressive 2.3 km long flag manufactured by Syrian textile industry .

July 7th, 2011, 5:16 am

 

Aboud said:

“And ABOUD, we do not ‘bend out knees’ for anyone”

Tell that the pathetic sub-humans who attacked their own security men when they tried to remove Hafez Assad’s statue from Homs a few weeks ago.

In all the provinces, the decision was taken to remove statues of Hafez. In Homs, they came at night to remove it. Immediately, the sub-human trash Hafez supporters came out in force and cried and wailed infront of the statue. They kissed the statue’s feet. Candles were lain at the base of the statue. One man threatened to set himself on fire. Threats were made, to the effect that if the statue was removed, they would retaliate and destroy the Khaled ibn Waleed mosque.

Khalid ibn Waleed. The greatest general the Islamic world has ever seen. They threatened to destroy his burial place, all for a statue.

So, Slutara, don’t tell me you Baathist scum do not kneel for Bashar. Bashar’s family is your life, your entire existence revolves around this war criminal. Baathism isn’t a political movement, it’s a f*cking cult.

@211 “The litmus test is tomorrow”

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. Actually, the litmus test is tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after, and the one after that etc etc etc. That’s the problem with the Baathists, they are crippled by their need to quickly end this as soon as possible. They know they can’t endure a prolonged struggle. The opposition can keep this up for months yet, scum.

“OPERATION ********! [removed for security]”

I’ll fill in the blanks; OPERATION BULLSHIT. Eight characters…yep, sounds about right. The idiot thinks people are deleting their accounts when they are more than happy to video themselves and post it to Youtube *facepalm* Baathist…idiots….

July 7th, 2011, 5:20 am

 

OFF THE WALL said:

samara

Keep the show on… i have nothing further to say your highness, for I lack appropriate vocabularies and the world has not yet become that vicious to invent a word describing what you just wrote and what your beloved regime is doing.

July 7th, 2011, 5:27 am

 

Tara said:

Today is a very sad day.

I can’t help not to think about the singer. His melody is playing in my ear and the image of his slaughtered body is on constant rewind in my brain.

In a day like this, I can’t not invoke god and certainly hope that there is a paradise waiting for him.

I am wearing black today!

July 7th, 2011, 5:52 am

 

syau said:

Syrian Commando,

I’ll be happy to help.

Samara,

Ignore Aboud, he probably has haemorrhoids.

#223,

There was no kissing the feet of any statue, when the people realised security personnel were removing the statue, they protested against the decision to remove it. The demonstration lasted until the head of the security personnel advised them the presidential order to remove that particular statue has been cancelled. No need to sensationalise the story.

July 7th, 2011, 5:54 am

 

Samara said:

SYRIAN COMMANDO

What you said is very uplifting!! I hope the progress for Syria just keeps getting better. And it all goes downhill for the criminals from here on out. As for tomorow, i dont think it will go very far. The criminals reek havok and do the devils work in the name of God. They wont get far.
I would love to know how i could help with what you were describing. Although, i do not have facebook so i doubt there will be much i could do.

OTW,
Thank you 😀

July 7th, 2011, 6:02 am

 

Aboud said:

@226 It is understandable that you would rather gloss over the more sordid details of that shameful night. It was not your finest moment. Candles were light, self-immolation was contemplated, and the destruction of Khaled Ibn Waleed’s burial place was threatened.

Khaled Ibn Al-Waleed, the man who beat the Persians, Romans, and liberated immense lands for the Arabs, and whose magnificent victory at the Battle of Yarmouk is still studied in military academies the world over.

Now compare that to papa Assad *spit*. A man who liberated nothing, and whose name became a byword for savagery. Guess who the Baathist would rather die for?

Regarding the strike, I went out to Deblan street to take a look. Quite an interesting sight. The third of the street closest to the New Clock are open, with only the occasional place closed down. It is a different story in the two thirds of the street away from the clock and near the garden are all closed down.

Of course, Jurat Al Sheyah and the Old Souq are almost all closed down. Expect to see even more places close as the day goes by. Even in the upper class area of Ghota, half the places are closed.

I just know how SANA is going to report the strike

“Today, the traders of Homs stayed at home to pray for the safe return of their fellow Homsia Asma Assad from her prolonged stay in London, where she has been….oh, wait, what? We weren’t supposed to say that Asma was in….oh crap…Er, Salafis…Homs…forced shopkeepers to raise the Israeli flag…”

Oh, and Samara-the-stupid, it’s spelled “Havoc”. “Wrecking….Havoc”. Dear God it’s just Three Stooges 24/7 with you, isn’t it?

July 7th, 2011, 6:16 am

 

Tara said:

Why,

….If some people want Basha Al Assad to go when it is clear that the majority of Syrians (incuding the local opposition intellectuals) and the international community want him to stay to continue with the reforms, then these people are simply anarchists…

It is my deepest conviction that the majority of Syrians wants Bashar to go. It is my deepest conviction that the majority is silent because of fear. It is my deepest conviction that the pro demonstrations are all staged. I know, I was herded to many in the past.

July 7th, 2011, 6:17 am

 

HS said:

About HAMA

In 1977-1982 , the Muslim Brothers started an armed insurrection with a terror campaign including assassinations of innocents from the civil society ( lawyers, students , doctors , teachers , ) bombs in transportation , car bombs ,
Terrorist attacks became a daily occurrence, particularly in Aleppo and other northern cities.
They transformed the ancient ( narrow streets ) and very populous quarters in Hama into a fortified camp complete with tunnels , arm caches , etc.
The army led by Rifaat Assad ,( the not very scrupulous brother of Hafez Assad and now an opposition leader in exile ) , attacked the camp and to preserve the life of its soldiers , it had to use tanks and artillery to destroy the fortifications of the camp.
The number of casualties among the army ( by thousands ) shows the difficulty of the task.
The number of casualties among the Muslim Brothers and the civilians taken in hostage by the Muslim Brothers ( by thousands ) shows that the problem was very serious.

After the army intervention , the quarter was bulldozed ( and rebuilt according to modern standards )
and the terrorist attacks ceased instantly .

Could the Hama “incident” repeat ?
Very unlikely , the MBs have not been allowed to build more fortifications than road blocks which are ineffective in large avenues where tanks can easily move to safely destroy them.

July 7th, 2011, 6:34 am

 

syau said:

Aboud,

You continue to sensationalise. There was a similar situation in Tartous, where a decision to remove another statue was cancelled due to the protests of the people against its removal. Do you have a story for that situation as well?

July 7th, 2011, 6:45 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

HS,

It’s still worrying to see them even try to get back to their old tricks. The roadblocks are ineffective for security personnel, but against workers and civilians, it stops movement. These insane fanatics think they have the right to shut down a city.

I just hope they don’t turn violent when they realise that their revolution has failed and no one in Syria wants them in power, despite what the foreign media has been feeding them everyday.

SYAU, SAMARA,

I’ll let you guys know when we have the infrastructure up. You won’t need facebook though it might help, it’s all going to be detective work.

July 7th, 2011, 6:46 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Sinking Fast

Hello, Professor Josh,

Are you there? You may want to entertain having a moderator.

Your website has become a verbal waste-dump.

It is my deepest conviction that the majority of Syrians wants Bashar to go.

Yes Tara,

We call it a presidential election. This is a basic human right. Even Palestinians get to vote (when they feel like having an election).

One day, Syrians will have that opportunity. Guessing who is more popular is clearly not sufficient. At this point, Bashar Assad is the “supreme leader”, and “president-for-life”. A Syrian must either accept that, or keep their true feelings hidden far away from anyone else they know.

“Bashar Assad? Yes, he’s a GREAT leader (and you’d better smile and move on)!”

July 7th, 2011, 7:00 am

 

Samara said:

SC,

FANTASTIC!! 😀

July 7th, 2011, 7:01 am

 

Tara said:

Why,

So I should not learn about other sects of Islam any more?  I thought it was ” sad and disappointing not to have learned”.  

I do not know what to agree with.  I spent my life not knowing and I have never thought that my ” religion” is better than others as there was no objective way to tell but I accept it as it is.   Do I know in unequivocal terms that it is “the religion”.  Not really.  

However, at this time, more than ever, I wish I was not that ignorant as I agree with what you said in the past in regard to religion and history affecting  us too much to the DNA level and for me in order to understand behaviors, I should have known more religion and perhaps more history.

So it appears for for now that Tara is continuing on her willful ignorance and not learning a thing about shiaa.  Of course thanks to Tara’ virtual friend who is refusing to share.

July 7th, 2011, 7:04 am

 

Aboud said:

@231 Nope. I’m in Homs, I know what happens in Homs. I didn’t even know they tried to remove the statue in Tartous. Where is it anyway?

@233 “Hello, Professor Josh,Are you there? You may want to entertain having a moderator.”

We don’t need no moderator, like the free people of Hama, we can police ourselves!

(Just joking. Sorry about all that, but it’s so easy to push their buttons hehehehehe.)

July 7th, 2011, 7:09 am

 

syau said:

Tara,

I’m sorry, but I have to say that I find it odd you talk about yourself in the third person. Why is that?

Syrian commando,

That is my forte. Whenever you’re ready.

July 7th, 2011, 7:13 am

 

Tara said:

Mina,

It is so difficult to digest that Bashar married rich ( as you stated before). If he is not able to marry for love and could not love the woman then no wonder he could not love the people…

I propose that they change the constitution to that effect. The future Syrian president should be I think in his 40s or at least late 30s ( just to have some wisdom) and have married for love.

And If they don’t change the constitution my way, I would abstain from voting.

I am late for work now. I am cranky already and today is my first day back to work after the vacation.

July 7th, 2011, 7:14 am

 

Tara said:

Syau,

I am an odd person. No explanation.

Go figure.

July 7th, 2011, 7:16 am

 

Aboud said:

YAHYAAAAA AHL HOMS!!!!

Homsi demonstrators save a friend from a beating by the police

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5_EY3FHkdY&feature=player_embedded

ALLAH YEHMEKON YA SHABAB HOMS! Homs is a thorn in the side of the security apparatus, and a stick up junior’s ass.

July 7th, 2011, 7:22 am

 

Mohamed Kanj said:

@ 228 . im sorry ABOUD but Ms Asma Al Assad is in Damascus Syria 🙂 you obviously are not living in syria, as you claim. One day your living in Homs and the next your in Aleppo. Asma Al Assad is alive and well in Syria and not in London, contrary to what Al Jazeera and your wahhabi channels have been telling you. Unlike your wahabbi puppet Saad Hariri and his alien family in hiding, the Assad family is in THEIR lovely country SYRIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCWlsD7ZUg

Im sorry to dissapoint you ABOUD. Maybe i will arrange a meeting one day were u can sweep the yard in the Assad household. By the way how is Tripoli Lebanon? How are your Salafi wahhabi friends?? Are they still showering only once a week and not using deodrant???

July 7th, 2011, 7:27 am

 

syau said:

“Al-Moallem: No military offensive on Hama”
06/07/2011

http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=en%2FArticle%2Fview%2F95194

“He pointed out that cracking down “depends on the type of demonstrators. If they are peaceful, I tell you, assure you, nobody can attack them”. “This is the instruction from President al-Assad himself,” he said.

“Some armed people use the opportunity to disturb the security,” Moallem said. “This will have to be answered. But usually peaceful demonstrators can move peacefully.”

There you go Aboud, if the protests are peaceful, there would be no need to move into Hama. If on the other hand they turn violent, then they need to be dealt with.

July 7th, 2011, 7:34 am

 

Aboud said:

@240

Again with the stepping all over the flag. When will these barbarians learn that a flag isn’t a tool you bring out to score cheap points, it’s a symbol of a country to be respected. These apes show more respect to a picture of Papa.

So they bought her back for flag flying day, just when Bashar feels at his most insecure. But actually any normal person would be too ashamed to show that video; complete with “menhebak music”, a fawning reporter whose sycophantic reporting outdid the worst Stalinist. Cheap, sloppy propaganda at it’s most clumsy, reporting the only way the Baathist know how to do.

FYI, in Dayr El Zour they rolled out a much bigger flag, and they didn’t have state funds to help them make it.

@”One day your living in Homs and the next your in Aleppo.”

You really must learn to sort out reality from fantasy, Mr Political Asylum Seeker abroad. Go back over my posts, and tell me where I said I lived in Aleppo.

Junior is looking quite pale and thin lately. Aren’t his doctors taking good care of him?

July 7th, 2011, 7:41 am

 

majedkhaldoon said:

Tara:
You want to know about sects in Islam ? go to wikipedia and write Shia Islam,or sunni.
it is important,as you know, to learn history.here we may be biased.
The reason we did not learned it in school, because it will cause discourse,and sedition,it was left to the family.
I said it before, Quraan has to be interpreted again,the previous interpretations,are initiated by Bukhari and Turmuzi,however Arabic was their second language and they may have interpreted wrong,the Ulamaa always agree to previous Ulamaa,they never dare to challenge them,,in my opinion there are several misinterpretations ,and now that we studdied arabic ,we should read Quraan again and interpreted as we understand it,one example is that Quraan says that women sometimes inherit half of men,and sometimes inherit equal to men and sometimes inherit twice as men,depend on their relations,Ulamaa changed that and that was a mistake by Ulamaa.because Quraan was very clear,and they should never change Quraan to the liking of men or rulers.

July 7th, 2011, 7:43 am

 

Aboud said:

“and his alien family in hiding”

Um…alien? So now the aliens and Martians are in on the Conspiracy Against the Eye Doctor? What, you ran out of countries to accuse on Planet Earth?

July 7th, 2011, 7:46 am

 

syau said:

One policeman martyred, another injured when an armed gang opened fire on a prison vehicle in Deer Ateyya. The vehicle was carrying prisoners on its way from Lattakia to AlSuaedaa. No prisoners were injured during the attack. Unfortunately the armed gang managed to escape.

http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_articles&id=cb80e8bc25f4e912bd8bdbdae228e52d&ar=213137082

July 7th, 2011, 7:52 am

 

Aboud said:

@241

Too bad, you didn’t give me any opening to use naughty words.

“There you go Aboud, if the protests are peaceful, there would be no need to move into Hama”

Kindly pinpoint the exact moment when the demonstrations in Hama turned violent? They never did. For three weeks Hama was the safest city in Syria. They were holding the biggest demonstrations in the country, and not one person was hurt, not one shop vandalized. Hundreds of thousands of people were practicing their God given right to free speech.

Obviously, a highly unacceptable situation to the regime. The governor was dismissed, busloads of security men sent in, tanks surrounded the city, and a talented young singer had his throat cut and his body thrown in the Orontes.

Hama could have been a model of the regime’s tolerance, a strong propaganda weapon to show junior’s benevolence. But despite his Western education, junior has not reached that level of sophistication in his way of thinking. He blew it, just as he’s blown every single soft ball thrown his way.

July 7th, 2011, 7:56 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/en/pressroom/content/20110706IPR23547/html/MEPs-push-for-a-UN-resolution-on-Syria-and-a-refugee-corridor

EU wants “refugee corridor” between Turkey, Lebanon and Syria along with a UNSC resolution.

Would you like fries with that chub chubs?

July 7th, 2011, 8:02 am

 

syau said:

Aboud.

Naughty words? You sound like a child.

I didn’t say the protests were violent. I am all for peaceful protests, but when gangs infiltrate the protests, set up road blocks, threaten residents with violence if they do not comply with orders to close their stores, attack demonstrators when demonstrating in support of the president and think they have the right to hold the province as their own little kingdom, then they need to be dealt with. There is not one country in this world that would accept such behaviour.

“For three weeks Hama was the safest city in Syria. They were holding the biggest demonstrations in the country, and not one person was hurt, not one shop vandalized. Hundreds of thousands of people were practicing their God given right to free speech.”

Read your own words back to yourself, and think why.

July 7th, 2011, 8:10 am

 

Aboud said:

“Naughty words? You sound like a child. ”

Would you prefer I used adult words, like Bashar F*cking Assad? The collective blood pressures of the Baathists here go through the roof when I do.

“Read your own words back to yourself, and think why.”

Why? Any child knows why, because there were no security men in the city. Just like Dayr El Zour, Telkelakh and Dara’a; where the city or town is empty of the regime’s thugs, people come out and demonstrate. And when they do, the crackdowns begin.

Bashar was, once again, handed a God given opportunity to turn this around. And he bungled it yet again.

Just saw a marvelous report on CNN about underground doctors healing the injured protestors. I’m waiting for CNN to provide a link. What a shameful state of affairs, where the wounded are arrested in hospitals while they bleed. Shameful.

“but when gangs infiltrate the protests, set up road blocks, threaten residents with violence if they do not comply with orders to close their stores”

Rubbish. The stores closed during a general strike against the dismissal of the governor. Do you realize how massive a gang has to be to intimidate a city the size of Hama?

If you are going to debate, then kindly keep the chronology of events in order. Roadblocks were set up because of the rampage of the security men as they entered the city. The security men were *not* sent in because of the roadblocks.

July 7th, 2011, 8:17 am

 

majedkhaldoon said:

Ibrahim Qashoush was arrested alive,by the regime, he was killed,and his throat was cut out of his neck,
Let see the pro regime condemn the regime for that.

July 7th, 2011, 8:23 am

 

syau said:

Aboud

In that case, I prefer you sound like a child and behave.

When the psychotic elements of the revolution notice that the government is fine with the protests in Hama as long as they are peaceful, they figure their plan didn’t work, so they move on to plan b – the armed gangs, forced strikes, roadblocks etc. It’s not that hard to figure it out.

Lets not be silly now, roadblocks set up to keep the security forces out, their little roadblocks cannot keep the army out, all it serves is to keep the residents in.

July 7th, 2011, 8:24 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Captain Majed,

Provide source or khraas.

Just watched the relay of the final sections of the flag ceremony. Huge, people saying it’s 50,000 are clueless, this is easily 500,000 or more. Each side is flanked by well over 50 people per meter.

Saw Russia’s flag in there as well. By the way, people were underneath the flag (in sections, at least), contrary to what people on here keep droning on about, you can see it clearly in the footage.

July 7th, 2011, 8:30 am

 

Aboud said:

“In that case, I prefer you sound like a child and behave”

Kiss my a**, I am the most well behaved mother-f*cker on this site.

(Joking).

“the armed gangs, forced strikes, roadblocks etc. It’s not that hard to figure it out.”

No, sorry to tell you, but the “armed gangs” theory still doesn’t work. “Forced strikes”? Go outside and see Homs, two thirds of the Deblan street is on strike. A much bigger improvement over the last strike. No one forced these people to strike, the regime’s actions have increasingly made staying on the sidelines morally untenable.

The problem with the regime’s narrative, is that it doesn’t survive reality. The regime’s supporters have to create an alternative reality to sustain their versions of events. Do you have any idea what a massive “gang” would be needed to impose the kind of strike Hama witnessed?

If people felt they were under the oppression of “armed gangs”, why did they go out and demonstrate in their hundreds of thousands for three weeks straight? Three weeks during which Hama was the safest city in Syria.

But the regime would have us believe that in between Friday when the demonstration took place, and Sunday morning when the security men ran rampant throughout the city, a massive armed gang suddenly materialized and forced people to close down their shops. Again, the regime’s narrative does not hold up when scrutinized.

It is deplorable that certain “Syrians” would rather see Syria’s fourth major city under the heels of heavy security oppression, than see their fellow countrymen exercise their God given right to demand their freedoms.

Why does half a million peaceful protestors scare the regime so much that tanks have to besiege the city? If you know the very nature of the Baathist regime, then you’ll know why.

July 7th, 2011, 8:37 am

 

Aboud said:

“All it serves is to keep the residents in”

So, the entire city of Hama is now being held hostage by these “roadblocks”? Half a million people who risked life and limb to go out and demonstrate, have overnight turned into cowards and let a Salafi gang take over the city?

Sorry, but that is the weakest, lamest narrative I’ve yet to hear from a regime supporter, and that’s saying alot.

“Lets not be silly now, roadblocks set up to keep the security forces out, their little roadblocks cannot keep the army out”

You may call it silly, but people will do anything to protect their families. If junior wants to get his men past the roadblocks, he’ll have to send in the tanks.

I find your calling people’s brave and valiant efforts to defend their lives “silly” quite appalling, but very indicative of the mentality of the regime’s supporters. This why the regime’s only friends left are sycophants and Iranian Ayatollahs

July 7th, 2011, 8:43 am

 

majedkhaldoon said:

SC
as usual you are very impolite,and obnoxtious, however it is in verse #11 in Sourat Nisaa,(women)

July 7th, 2011, 8:43 am

 

syau said:

Four army members martyred at the hands of the peaceful protesters laid to rest.

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/07/06/356906.htm

Martyrs names just in case the Syrian revolution decides to use them in their own obscure way are:

Chief Warrant Officer Issa Ahmad Bakir.

Sergeant Ali Fahmi Zazoua from Homs.

Sergeant Issam Sami Abboud from Idleb.

Conscript Ammar Taha al-Eiss from Aleppo.

May God rest their souls in peace.

Aboud, you’re blabering. If you cant see it for what it is, that’s your problem, and for your information, silly was referred to you.

July 7th, 2011, 8:47 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#255

Nevermind I found the evidence myself, here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/2c24joe

#256

Allah yer7am al shuhadah, may the martyr’s souls rest in peace. I hope every orphan the “revolution” produces is paid back to them with interest, wherever they are. Inshallah tedrebkon al sarataan.

BTW, this half a million lie that keeps getting repeated is based on a single caller into alkhanzeera. It was thoroughly mocked on twitter to the point that even CNN had to back off.

July 7th, 2011, 8:50 am

 

Aboud said:

@256 “Aboud, you’re blabering. If you cant see it for what it is, that’s your problem, and for your information, silly was referred to you.”

This is Baathist-talk for “ignore him because I don’t like what he says”

@257 “It was thoroughly mocked on twitter to the point that even CNN had to back off.”

More alternative reality from the sci-fi-Baathists. CNN, BBC English and Arabic, Al-Jazeera, France 24, Al-Arabiya all quoted the half million number and continue to do so to this day. Scary, isn’t it? So scary, it’s no wonder junior had to send the tanks in.

Where there is no security presence, where people stand less of a chance of getting shot, they come out in multitudes. We saw it in Hama, Dayr el Zour, Dar’a, and Telkelakh. But it will be Telkelakh that sends junior to the Hague.

July 7th, 2011, 9:01 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Don’t be so angry yiddish friend, I know you’re attached to the discredited media but stop crying at least. It’s embarrassing for the other zionists in here. Here’s your favourite channel and anthem to cool you down:

This pot belly zionist probably isn’t even aware of how many people live in Hama. lmao.

July 7th, 2011, 9:10 am

 

Aboud said:

@259 “It’s embarrassing for the other zionists in here”

So now I’m an Aleppan-Lebanese-MB-Yiddish-Zionist? Such a creature does not exist, except in the minds of Baathists.

“I know you’re attached to the discredited media”

Nope, I don’t read SANA or watch Al-Dunya. Syrian state TV is just for laughs, like Comical Sally’s appearances. Waled Mualem’s very weak “there is no military operation in Hama” has been replayed endlessly on numerous TV channels, after it was first broadcast on CNN.

“Tanks withdrawing from restless Syrian city”

(just wondering how the heck can tanks withdraw from a city which, according to Waled baby, they aren’t even in?)

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/07/07/syria.unrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

“Silly” roadblocks you say? Those roadblocks and the bravery of the Hamwis have massively increased the political price junior would have had to pay if he’d ordered his tanks in. If there really were armed Salafis in the city, the place would have been a warzone by now.

And check the video on the left about Syria’s secret doctors. Note that it contains images that may be hard to stomach.

“This pot belly zionist”

But the Baathists like pot bellies. Have you seen Imad Mustapha and Waleed Mu’alem? The Baath party is like a club for fatties.

July 7th, 2011, 9:22 am

 

JNA said:

Bernard-Henri Lévy’s “SOS Syrie” Conference: Zionists, Muslim Brothers, and Other Leaders of “Change in Syria”

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2011/furuhashi060711.html

July 7th, 2011, 9:26 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

This is where we diametraly defer.
I think the only person in short term that can lead Syria to reforms is Bashar Al Assad, despite all the errors and excesses that have happened. One of the main reason is that there is no one else after 4 months of protestations. Another reason is that the active opposition does not represent the majority as the opposition has been limited to border towns and to cities with a history of hatred for the central government. Whatever the reason is, fear or loyalty, the majority have not followed.
Now if you and the hardline opposition render yourself to that evidence, then a peaceful and reasonable solution can be worked out.
If in the contrary you obstinate yourself in allowing a long and painful anarchy hoping some one will emerge to take care of the reforms, then I am not with you. Avoiding bloodshed is in my view the most important issue.
Part of the opposition see themselves as romantic heroes or if they are religious to martyrs for a cause. They don’t mind blood and confrontation. They have forgotten about the common people right for safety and a peaceful future.

About religion

Of course you should learn about the religions that concern you, but don’t expect to discuss religions with anyone who regard his religion as his main identity ( most religious people do).
There is a need of a good dose of objectivity when you talk about religions and most people don’t have that.
Learn but don’t question or compare the logic of beliefs: beliefs are beliefs, they have no logic.

July 7th, 2011, 9:27 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>(just wondering how the heck can tanks withdraw from a city which, according to Waled baby, they aren’t even in?)

Good question! Well, where’s the videographic evidence of them either entering or leaving?

Oh that’s right, just another lie from the sewer stream media who is reporting from Damascus … on Hama. LOL.

Jiggly that pot belly, zionist pig. ;D

July 7th, 2011, 9:31 am

 

why-discuss said:

Syrian national dialogue aims at pluralistic state: vice president

A dilemma for some opposition members who, while calling for the authorities to stop violence as a prerequisite to dialog, are unable to bring the street to accept dialog. This friday the facebook calls for NO DIALOG
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/07/c_13971886.htm

DAMASCUS, July 7 (Xinhua) — Syrian Vice President Faruq al-Shara said the forthcoming national dialogue is aimed to positively affect the Syrians and develop the political, economical structure to reach a pluralistic and democratic state.

The dialogue has become a popular demand and a national need that would contribute in solving the recent crisis, Faruq al-Shara said in an interview with the London-based Arabic al-Hayat newspaper published on Thursday…..

July 7th, 2011, 9:41 am

 

why-discuss said:

Huge Rallies in Aleppo & Most Governorates to support Reforms, reject Misleading Media and Foreign Intervention

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=89323

SYRIA- Popular activities continued in the Syrian governorates to express support for the reform program under the leadership of President Bashar al-Assad, rejection of misleading media channels and any foreign intervention in the Syrian internal affairs.

According to State news; more than one million people from Aleppo province participated in carrying a 2300 meters long and 18 meters Syrian flag, stretching from al-Bassel square to al-Lermon square, to express support for reform, rejection of foreign interference in Syria’s affairs, and adherence to national unity.

…..

They also participated in the campaign of supporting the national currency by depositing money at the Real Estate Bank in Tartous to support the stabilization of the Syrian economy.

Syrian Women’s Union’s Mashta el-Hilu Association organized a campaign for supporting the Syrian pound, as women headed to Savings Bank to deposit money.

All other Governorates have witnessed similar activities in order to support reform and national unity along the recent crisis that Syria has been witnessing for more than three months.

July 7th, 2011, 9:51 am

 

Aboud said:

@261 “I think the only person in short term that can lead Syria to reforms is Bashar Al Assad, despite all the errors and excesses that have happened”

We cannot wait forever for this man to finally start moving on reforms. So far everything he’s promised has just been ink on paper. When he provides solid, tangible actions, then we will believe that his words are not just a desperate play for time.

The constitution was modified in hours to change the age limit for the presidency. In the same way, many genuine reforms could have been enacted in the four months this revolution has been underway.

But please, no one can be expected to believe this man is a reformer when he fires the governor of Hama for not being bloody enough.

I want an honest opinion from people knowledgeable in military matters; let’s say there really are “armed Salafi gangs” running about the country. Can the regime’s military strategy be described as anything other than incompetent?

APCs are sent into dense neighborhoods without infantry support. Soldiers at check points are videoed in a state of relaxation, not military readiness. Hama is supposed to be overrun by Salafi gangs holding the town hostage, and yet tanks are removed from the city outskirts.

The regime’s own actions and military deployments are inconsistent with a narrative that insists that the country is in a state of war. But highly consistent with the deployments meant to suppress an unarmed populace.

July 7th, 2011, 9:52 am

 

why-discuss said:

Michel Kilo and Anwar Al_Bunni will not join the dialog on Sunday?
240 were invited, who is going?

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-protests-hurl-stones-troops-key-city-133805999.html

“Meanwhile, two widely respected Syrian opposition leaders said they would not participate in an upcoming government-held meeting on Sunday in the capital Damascus to discuss reforms.

Anwar al-Bunni and Michel Kilo said the government had (to) halt its violent crackdown for dialogue to have a chance at success.”

July 7th, 2011, 10:07 am

 

N.Z. said:

MajedKhaldoon,

The barbaric killing of Ibrahim Qashoush will be another pivotal moment in this uprising.

A deja vu, all over in Hama.

Is this how the promised reform under jr. looks like?

Only an enemy can go this far, this despicable brutality can no longer be tolerated. Listen and judge for yourself.

July 7th, 2011, 10:14 am

 

daleandersen said:

Memo to: WHY-DISCUSS

RE: Stupid Comment of the Day

“…the baathist party [does not] have a policy of eliminating their opposition by murdering them. The proof is in the number of opposition leaders who are in their 80’s after having spent time in prison…”

You win, Dude. Second place went to Samara for his mindless blather on how “…Islam, Christianity and Jewish are all very common…”

July 7th, 2011, 10:14 am

 

why-discuss said:

Abboud

“When he provides solid, tangible actions, then we will believe that his words are not just a desperate play for time.”

“But please, no one can be expected to believe this man is a reformer when he fires the governor of Hama for not being bloody enough.”

You obviously don’t seem to make up your mind. Are you ready to trust him conditionally or you are already dismissing anything he does unconditionally?
That is the problem he opposition has now. They call for the removal of Bashar but realizing there is no alternative, they back off. Until they unite in what they really want, this violent and frustrating circus will go on.

July 7th, 2011, 10:15 am

 

why-discuss said:

Dale Christian Andersen

Blurp…

July 7th, 2011, 10:17 am

 

Aboud said:

“You obviously don’t seem to make up your mind. Are you ready to trust him conditionally or you are already dismissing anything he does unconditionally?”

Junior has to go, there is no doubt about that. Maybe he’ll be allowed to stay on for a short transitional period, but I’d prefer someone else. He’s let down the country, he’s proven himself uninspiring and just not cut out for a leadership role. Instead of asserting himself and leading in his own style, he’s let remnants of his daddy’s team force him to use 1980s methods to a 2011 problem.

Syria has 23 million people, there is no shortage of talented Syrians who could lead a transition. Right to the end, Mubarak believed that he was the only man capable of holding Egypt together. Guess what, the world went on its merry business despite Mubarak’s departure, and it will happily do the same when junior goes.

July 7th, 2011, 10:27 am

 

Revlon said:

The security forces are in psychological retreat!

According to Robert Malley & Peter Harling, Washington Post, posted above;
“Having endured centuries of discrimination and persecution from the Sunni majority, Alawites see their villages, within relatively inaccessible mountainous areas, as the only genuine sanctuary. That is where security officers already have sent their families. They are unlikely to believe that they will be safe in the capital (where they feel like transient guests), protected by the Assad regime (which they view as a historical anomaly) or state institutions (which they do not trust). When they feel the end is near, Alawites won’t fight to the last man in the capital”

What does this mean?
Why should an army of well armed security militia and paramilitia who have the upper hand be feareful of confronting unarmed civilians, so much so that they send their families to their villages?

This bit of news tells that the psycological retreat of the ranks and files of these forces has started.
There are several probable reasons.

First, The physical fatigue, the chronic lack of sleep, and the sight of unarmed civilians being sniped or strafed and killed in cold blood have taken its toll on their morale!

Second, They have grown disillusioned with the precept that the nation is being attaked by armed infiltrators/islamists, for what they see and hear sounds and looks otherwise.

Third, they have probabley noticed signs of preparations for or actual retreat amongst the members of their higher command.

Fourth, by sending their families they protect them from the wrath of their superiors should they decide to defect.
It would also make their actual retreat faster and safer should the regime catapult suddenly.

July 7th, 2011, 10:34 am

 

Aboud said:

@272 “Third, they have probabley noticed signs of preparations for or actual retreat amongst the members of their higher command.”

Doubtless, Rami Makhlouf’s not-so-secret preparations for a post-junior Syria couldn’t have helped morale much.

July 7th, 2011, 10:45 am

 

jad said:

“Alawites see their villages, within relatively inaccessible mountainous areas, ”

According to those two idiots (the writers of the article) Syria become the Amazon Jungle where Alawites’ villages are in an ‘INACCESSIBLE’ ‘MOUNTAINOUS AREAS’!
Seriously! Who believe this crap.. between every couple Alawites villages in the ‘INACCESSIBLE’ areas there are Sunni and Christian villages and all of them are WELL CONNECTED by roads and WELL CONNECTED to all major cities.

Since Damascus today is inhabited by mostly non Damascene families, every summer many of these families go back to their villages with their kids to spend the vacation there, it’s not a ‘Sectarian’ conspiracy as some want to show it.

This ‘Sectarian’ ‘Phenomena’ doesn’t need FOUR crappy points to be highlighted on a crappy article, it’s the Syrian summer NORM.

July 7th, 2011, 10:48 am

 

majedkhaldoon said:

The people are more important than the army,people pay the army to defend the people, when the army turns around and kill the people ,the army betrays the people, and thus committing treason, only silly people defend the army then,only those with dictatorial,criminal mind support and worry about the army, the army when it defends the dictator is not sacred,it is accomplice in criminal activities, it is occupying army, it is helping the enemy,for that I believe the people should arm themselves, they should stock all kind of weapons to defend themselves,and protect their freedom,the people will win,and the dictator will loose,.
And those who defend the dictator,and lie and say they criticised the dictator,,those do not deserve freedom,they are accomplice in crimes.
we just saw that the security forces,better called oppression forces, they killed a man because he called for freedom, and they cut his larynx out, how much criminal they could get, they killed Hamza Khateeb and cut his genital,have we seen the pro regime condemn them, no because they are as criminal as the regime,this revolution will continue till those sick minded people are defeated.

July 7th, 2011, 10:50 am

 

aboali said:

an excellent and extraordinary report from Arwa Damon of CNN in Damascus. I guess this is the reason the regime wouldn’t allow international press, so that truth doesn’t get out.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/07/07/damon.syria.doctors.cnn?iref=allsearch

July 7th, 2011, 10:51 am

 

Revlon said:

When the revolution started months back, the opposition offered partnership with the regime for the introduction of genuine reforms.
The exclamation that kept comming up from the regime and supporters then was:
Opposition!
Where are the opposition?
Who are they?
There is no opposition?

Now, after killing over 1500 precious lives, torturing and detaining tens of thousands, the regime is findings hundreds of “opposition” members to talk to!

Genuine reforms shall be introduced, inspite of Jr., and not by his approval.

Jr’s imposed legitimacy was revoked by the people of the Revolution last Friday.
He is wanted by the justice of Free Syria, along with his inner circle and every single perpetrator who killed or tortured Syrian citizens

Criminals shall not be partners in the future of Free Syria.

July 7th, 2011, 10:52 am

 

OFF THE WALL said:

The WP paragraph is almost verbatim from the International Crisis group recent report. # 108. Joshua, who is also a recipient of these reports has frequently quoted their reports in his synopsis. I am sure he will provide more detailed information. I am half way through reading the report, but it is not very pleasant report. One has to read it with a combined Abu Ghassan/Yazan view before getting angry or lashing out. Needless to say, the ICG is becoming one of the more relied on groups in presenting analysis to policy circles. Selective quotation from their report, like all others, will always be a problem but emotionally charged reactive approach is even a worse problem.

Here is the Executive Summary of the Report. And here is For the Full Report

Popular Protest in North Africa and the Middle East (VI): The Syrian People’s Slow-motion Revolution

Middle East/North Africa Report N°1086 Jul 2011
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The Syrian uprising has defied conventional expectations and patterns established elsewhere in the region from the outset. It happened, first of all, and to many that in itself was surprising enough. The regime was not alone in believing in a form of Syrian exceptionalism that would shield it from serious popular unrest. Once the uprising began, it did not develop quickly, as in Egypt or Tunisia. Although it did not remain peaceful, it did not descend into a violent civil war, as in Libya, or sectarian affair, as in Bahrain. To this day, the outcome remains in doubt. Demonstrations have been growing in impressive fashion but have yet to attain critical mass. Regime support has been declining as the security services’ brutality has intensified, but many constituents still prefer the status quo to an uncertain and potentially chaotic future. What is clear, however, is the degree to which a wide array of social groups, many once pillars of the regime, have turned against it and how relations between state and society have been forever altered.

The regime’s first mistake in dealing with the protests was to misdiagnose them. It is not fair to say that, in response to the initial signs of unrest, the regime did nothing. It decreed an amnesty and released several prominent critics; officials were instructed to pay greater attention to citizen complaints; and in a number of localities steps were taken to pacify restive populations. But the regime acted as if each and every disturbance was an isolated case requiring a pin-point reaction rather than part of a national crisis that would only deepen short of radical change.

Over the past decade, conditions significantly worsened virtually across the board. Salaries largely stagnated even as the cost of living sharply increased. Cheap imported goods wreaked havoc on small manufacturers, notably in the capital’s working-class outskirts. In rural areas, hardship caused by economic liberalisation was compounded by the drought. Neglect and pauperisation of the countryside prompted an exodus of underprivileged Syrians to rare hubs of economic activity. Cities such as Damascus, Aleppo and Homs witnessed the development of sprawling suburbs that absorbed rural migrants. Members of the state-employed middle class, caught between, on the one hand, low salaries, shrinking subsidies and services and, on the other, rising expenses, have been pushed out of the city centre toward the underdeveloped belt that surrounds Damascus. The ruling elite’s arrogance and greed made this predicament more intolerable. Meanwhile, promises of political reform essentially had come to naught.

Much of this has been true for a while, but the regional context made all the difference. That the Syrian public’s outlook was changing in reaction to events elsewhere might not have been manifest, but telltale signs were there. Well ahead of the mid-March 2011 commencement of serious disturbances, the impact of regional turmoil could be felt in the behaviour of ordinary Syrians. In what had long been – or forced to become – a depoliticised society, casual discussions suddenly assumed a surprisingly political tone. What the regime used to do and get away with came under intense and critical public scrutiny. Subtle expressions of insubordination surfaced. Previously routine – and unchallenged – forms of harassment and extortion by civil servants met unusual resistance on the part of ordinary citizens, emboldened by what they had seen in Tunisia, Egypt and beyond. More broadly, Syrians – who like to imagine themselves as the Arab vanguard – increasingly were frustrated at being left on the sidelines of history at a time when much of the region was rising up.

Taking small steps to coax the population, the regime also repressed, often brutally and indiscriminately. That might have worked in the past. This time, it guaranteed the movement’s nationwide extension. Wherever protests broke out, excessive use of force broadened the movement’s reach as relatives, friends, colleagues and other citizens outraged by the regime’s conduct joined in. Worse still, the regime’s strategy of denial and repression meant that it could not come to terms with the self-defeating social and political consequences of its actions.

The regime also got it wrong when it tried to characterise its foes. Syrian authorities claim they are fighting a foreign-sponsored, Islamist conspiracy, when for the most part they have been waging war against their original social constituency. When it first came to power, the Assad regime embodied the neglected countryside, its peasants and exploited underclass. Today’s ruling elite has forgotten its roots. It has inherited power rather than fought for it, grown up in Damascus, mingled with and mimicked the ways of the urban upper class and led a process of economic liberalisation that has benefited large cities at the provinces’ expense. The state abandoned vast areas of the nation, increasingly handling them through corrupt and arrogant security forces. There is an Islamist undercurrent to the uprising, no doubt. But it is a product of the regime’s decades of socio-economic neglect far more than it reflects an outside conspiracy by religious fundamentalists.

True, areas with strong minority concentrations have been slow to rise up; likewise, Damascus and Aleppo have been relatively quiescent, and the business community has remained circumspect. But the loyalty these groups once felt for the regime has been under threat for some time. Most, in one form or another, have suffered from the predatory practices of a ruling class that, increasingly, has treated the country as private property. Even Allawites, a minority group to which the ruling family and a disproportionate share of the security services belong, long have had reason to complain, chafing at the sight of an ever-narrowing elite that does not even bother to redistribute wealth to its own community.

That leaves the security apparatus, which many observers believe constitute the regime’s ultimate card – not the regular army, distrusted, hollowed out and long demoralised, but praetorian units such as the Republican Guard and various strands of the secret police generically known as the Mukhabarat and disproportionately composed of Allawites. The regime seems to believe so, too, and has dispatched its forces to engage in ruthless displays of muscle, sometimes amounting to collective punishment. Over the years, these forces undoubtedly have served the regime well; in recent months, too, they have shown no mercy in efforts to crush the protest movement.

But here as well appearances can be deceiving. From the outset of the crisis, many among the security forces were dissatisfied and eager for change; most are underpaid, overworked and repelled by high-level corruption. They have closed ranks behind the regime, though it has been less out of loyalty than a result of the sectarian prism through which they view the protest movement and of an ensuing communal defence mechanism. The brutality to which many among them have resorted arguably further encourages them to stand behind the regime for fear of likely retaliation were it to collapse.

Yet, the sectarian survival instinct upon which the regime relies could backfire. The most die-hard within the security apparatus might well be prepared to fight till the bitter end. But the majority will find it hard to keep this up. After enough of this mindless violence, this same sectarian survival instinct could push them the other way. After centuries of discrimination and persecution at the hands of the Sunni majority, Allawites and other religious minorities concluded that their villages within relatively inaccessible mountainous areas offered the only genuine sanctuary. They are unlikely to believe their safety is ensured in the capital (where they feel like transient guests), by the Assad regime (which they view as a temporary, historical anomaly), or through state institutions (which they do not trust). When they begin to feel that the end is near, Allawites might not fight to the last man. They might well return to the mountains. They might well go home.

This report, part of a series on the popular movements in North Africa and the Middle East, is the first of two that will look in detail at Syria’s uprising. It focuses chiefly on the inception and makeup of the protest movement. The second, to be published shortly, will focus on the regime’s response.

International Crisis Group
Damascus/Brussels, 6 July 2011

July 7th, 2011, 10:57 am

 

Aboud said:

@274

Calm down Jad. Take a deep breath. You are no good to junior if you suffer a stroke over an article.

“relatively inaccessible”

“Relatively” inaccessible. Just because a village has a road, it doesn’t mean that the road is always safe all-year round. Have you been to Marmarita? You should have seen the perilous, winding roads from a few years back. Only an expert driver could have dared drive up them during winter.

“Since Damascus today is inhabited by mostly non Damascene families, every summer many of these families go back to their villages with their kids to spend the vacation there, it’s not a ‘Sectarian’ conspiracy as some want to show it.”

I hear echoes of Comical Sally. “The people running away from Jisr Al Shoghour are visiting relatives in Turkey”. High school exams just ended last Thursday, and university exams for the “Open Education” system have just started. Anyone sending back their families out of Damascus before the past fornight would have missed alot of exams.

July 7th, 2011, 11:05 am

 

why-discuss said:

Abboud

“Right to the end, Mubarak believed that he was the only man capable of holding Egypt together.

Mobarak was an old relic and all egyptians hated him. No comparison possible
And then the egyptian army took over.. Do you want to Syrian army to take over the country until you find a good leader among the 24 millions. After 4 months, we saw nobody emerging. Obviously this is going to take a few years, in the meantime who do you prefer Bashar or the army?? or any other suggestion?

July 7th, 2011, 11:13 am

 

why-discuss said:

OTW

Thanks for the ICG link, very interesting.
The conclusion seems to leave an open door… Obviously nothing is yet sure.

“Unfortunately, as further described in a companion report
to be published shortly, the regime made virtually all the
wrong decisions at the worst of times, responding to the
slow-motion remobilisation of Syrian society with its
own slow-motion move toward suicide. It has not yet lost
the fight and could even be said to have at least temporar-
ily recouped some of its losses. But it nonetheless has
turned a manageable crisis into something infinitely more
dangerous for itself and for Syrian society at large. “

July 7th, 2011, 11:23 am

 

AIG said:

Aboali,

The video you posted from CNN is great. If the free press were allowed in Syria, Bashar and his lies would have been gone in 30 days.

ABOALI said:

an excellent and extraordinary report from Arwa Damon of CNN in Damascus. I guess this is the reason the regime wouldn’t allow international press, so that truth doesn’t get out.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/07/07/damon.syria.doctors.cnn?iref=allsearch

July 7th, 2011, 11:24 am

 

Aboud said:

@280 “Mobarak was an old relic and all egyptians hated him”

The first point is irrelevant, the second is highly debatable. The world is filled with leaders in their 70s and 80s who manage to hold on to power. It is also full of leaders in their 40s who made a mess of things. Age is not the best indication of one’s ability, or lack thereof.

“After 4 months, we saw nobody emerging.”

That’s a key problem with the regime and their supporters. To them, this revolution seems to have gone on forever. But to the opposition, things are only just getting started. The two sides have highly different time frames and perceptions of time.

What’s wrong with the Egyptian model? A transitional period during which elections can be held to select a new leader. The only question now is who would be in charge during that transitional period.

“in the meantime who do you prefer Bashar or the army?”

The army. No one in the army has anywhere near the influence to set themselves up as a permanent replacement to junior; a dictator for life who passes on the presidency to his son. When junior goes, much more than Bashar the person will be overthrown; the entire Assad Dynasty and all it represents in the way of hereditary republics will go packing with him.

July 7th, 2011, 11:30 am

 

Jad said:

Dearest OTW,
Thank you for posting the full report, it’s an excelent objective analyses of the situation.
However, taking one paragraph and out of context from that report that WP use then to use it for sectarian purposes showing that Alawites are running away to the ‘inaccessable’ area needs to be put back in the context it was written by instead of letting it pass as a cheap sectarian shot.
That is my take!

July 7th, 2011, 11:32 am

 

N.Z. said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/world/middleeast/06syria.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=world

Restive City of Hama Tests Will of Syrian Government
By ANTHONY SHADID

…..“There’s no easy solution to Hama,” Peter Harling, a Damascus-based analyst with the International Crisis Group, said in an interview.

“The regime made significant progress in terms of convincing people in Syria and abroad that there was an armed component to this protest movement and that its security forces were very much focused on that component,” he added. “Hardly two weeks later, the regime gets embroiled in the exact opposite, once again undermining its own case.”

July 7th, 2011, 11:57 am

 

jad said:

شـبـكـة أخـبـار حـمـاه | H.N.N
حماة الآن
الآن شوارع حماة جميعها خالية ماعدا المسلحين يزيدون من التحصينات والمتاريس رائحة الشوارع كريهة جدا بسبب تراكم القمامة وحرق الإطارات نناشد القيادة بالتدخل الفوري لإنقاذ حماة من هذه المأساة التي نعيشها أوضاع حماة مبكية من هذه المناظر وهذه المآسي

شبكة اخبار حماة

مــعاذ

شـبـكـة أخـبـار حـمـاه | H.N.N
تقرير من حرقه قلبي :
ماهو العصيان المدني الإجباري؟

عصيان مدني اجباري.. انا من نص حماه.. بدكم تعرفو شو صاير بحماه بصدق؟
ساعه ونص لحتى نوصل على المشفى من اقرب مكان الها، من كثرة الحواجز يعني،
اذا أصيب حدى من الشباب بموت على طريق،
نقص حاد في المواد التموينه والخضار و الخبر، يومين آخرين ومابضل دوى بالصيدليات،

بدكم تعرفو شو يعني عصيان مدني؟
حكم بالاعدام من قبل شباب حماه الابي على شعب حماه ونساء حماه واطفال حماه بالجوع.
بتعرفو شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ قطع ارزاق العباد
بتعرفو شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ مشفى الحوراني فيه 5 ممرضان و7 ممرضين.
بتعرفو شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ مافي ولا طبيب اطفال بحماه.
بتعرفو شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ طبيب نسائي عم يشتغل طبيب جراح صدريه وقلبيه لان الدكاتره الشاطرين هربو من حماه.
بتعرفو شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ تنحرم من انك تشوف امك يلي هيه بحاره تانيه لان مقطوع الطريق ومافيك تمر لان كل شوارع مسكره.
بتعرف شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ يشوفو هويتك وانت مهدد بسكاكين ومطفي ضوء السيارة باليل، وتمشي فوق النار والزجاج المكسر والشوك.
بتعرف شو يعني عصان مدني؟ انك تدور نص البقاليات ماتلاقي صابونه تغسل ايدك. بتعرف شو يعني عصيان مدني؟ انك ازا حطيت ايدك على وشك تصير شحوار من دخان الدواليب السام وحرق الزباله السامه.. بتعرف هي الدخنة شو بتعمل؟ والزباله المحروقه شو بتعمل؟ كل أمة الدنيا بتعرف انها بتسبب سرطان الرئه… يعني عم تتقل شعب حماه بايدنيا

ولسى ولسى ولسى

لك شــــــووووووو اخرتها؟؟
حتى يفوت الجيش بجرافات ودبابات؟
يعني فكرك دبابه وزنها 50 طن حيوقف بوجها حيطك؟
حسبي الله ونعم والوكيل

// خالد مع حزني واسفي على اخوتي من شباب حماه

July 7th, 2011, 12:17 pm

 

jad said:

“مذبحة في سوريا وسجون مفتوحة بتركيا”
تمكن موفد فرانس 24 إلى الحدود السورية-التركية من الدخول إلى مخيم يالاداغ الذي يأوي العدد الأكبر من اللاجئين السوريين الذين فروا من قمع نظام الأسد. وتحدث مع الرجال والنساء والأطفال ورصد معاناتهم اليومية، وسط حراسة أمنية مشددة للأمن التركي الذي يمنع الدخول إلى هذه المخيمات، محولا هذه المخيمات إلى سجون في الهواء الطلق.

“نحن نعيش داخل سجن مفتوح كبير” هكذا يصف أبو أحمد، وهو لاجئ سوري فر مع عائلته من بلدة جسر الشغور، الأوضاع في مخيم يالاداغ الذي يبعد حوالي 40 كيلومترا غربا عن مدينة أنطاكيا التركية

يعد هذا المخيم من أكبر المخيمات التي أقامتها الحكومة التركية لاستقبال اللاجئين السوريين الذين فروا من قمع النظام، إذ يقطنه أكثر من 2500 شخص

ويضيف أبو أحمد ” العيش هنا صعب جدا من كل النواحي. الرعاية الصحية غير متوفرة بشكل كاف. هناك طبيبان فقط لكل اللاجئين لا يعملان في أيام العطلة”، مضيفا “أن أماكن المياه والحمامات غير متوفرة بكثرة، رغم اتساع مساحة المخيم ”

ودعا أبو أحمد الأمم المتحدة ومجلس حقوق الإنسان الدولي إلى التدخل من أجل تصحيح الأمور، مشيرا أن هناك من يريد العودة إلى سوريا بسبب سوء الأحوال المعيشية في المخيمات

سأخاطر بحياتي وحياة أولادي وأعود إلى سوريا””

نفس الصورة تقريبا رسمتها فايزة وهي حامل وأم لطفلين صغيرين. تركت فايزة جسر الشغور تحت ضغط العسكر بالرغم من حالتها الصحية الصعبة. ومنذ وصولها إلى مخيم يالاداغ، تغيرت حياتها من سيئ إلى أسوأ بسبب سوء التغذية وعدم تنوع الغذاء. فهي تشكو من أوجاع في المعدة والبطن ولا طبيب يأتي لمعاينتها بحسب قولها ” درجات الحرارة تصل إلى 40 درجة في منتصف النهار. أولادي غير قادرين على تحمل هذه الحرارة والمياه غير متوفرة بشكل كاف. وإذا استمر الوضع على هذا الحال، سأخاطر بحياتي وحياة أولادي وأعود إلى سوريا

رواية شيرين لا تختلف كثيرا عن سابقتها، فإضافة إلى سوء التغذية وقلة النظافة، تعاني شيرين من مشاكل صحية مرتبطة بحملها. ” لقد سجلت في قائمة النساء الحوامل للاستفادة من وجبات غذائية خاصة تعهد الهلال الأحمر التركي بتقديمها، لكن لم أستلم ولو حتى وجبة واحدة منذ وصولي إلى هنا”. وتدهورت حالة شيرين الصحية أكثر من مرة، إذ تم نقلها إلى مستشفى المخيم في حالة إغماء تامة.

لقد طلبت من الطبيب أن يزودني بدواء مقوي، لكن أجاب إنه غير متوفر لديه. وأنا لا أملك المال لشرائه من الخارج”.”

اعتصامات داخل المخيمات للتنديد بأوضاعهم الإنسانية

من جهته، يسعى بلال وهو شاب سوري انضم إلى المعارضة السورية في أنطاكيا إلى الاستجابة بقدر الإمكان لمطالب اللاجئين، لا سيما النساء والأطفال الصغار. فهو يزودوهم من وقت إلى آخر بالغذاء والمياه الصالحة للشرب وبالهواتف النقالة وبأوراق وأقلام للرسم لصالح الأطفال الصغار، لكن من الصعب مساعدة الجميع.

إمكانياتنا المالية محدودة. على الحكومة التركية التي استقبلتهم أن تقوم بذلك وتتابع أوضاعهم، لأن يبدو أن بعض مسيري المخيمات يغيرون مسار المساعدات المالية التي تأتي من أنقرة ومن مدن تركية أخرى”.

وتنديدا بالأوضاع السيئة التي يعيشون في ظلها، نظم اللاجئون عدة اعتصامات داخل المخيمات الخمسة، طالبوا خلالها الهلال الأحمر ببذل المزيد من الجهود لتحسين أوضاعهم أو السماح للمنظمات الدولية بالتدخل لكي تتكفل بهم. كما طالبوا أيضا بالسماح للإعلام بالدخول إلى المخيمات لنقل يومياتهم ومعاناتهم إلى العالم.

لكن الهلال الأحمر رفض هذه المطالب وأصبح يرفض حتى للمتواجدين في الخارج من زيارة أقاربهم داخل المخيمات. فيما كثفت الشرطة تواجدها على مداخل المخيم وبداخله. وإذا كان الدخول صعبا للغاية، فالخروج أصبح سهلا جدا حسب جميل صائب منسق مخيم يالاداغ. ” الأربعاء الماضي، عائلات عديدة غادرت المخيم إلى سوريا. الهلال الأحمر أحضر عدة حافلات لنقلهم إلى الحدود مع سوريا. وهذا يدل على أن الحكومة التركية غيرت موقفها وأصبحت تراهن على بقاء نظام بشار الأسد، لذا تقوم بدفع اللاجئين إلى العودة إلى بلدهم”.

تذبذبات سياسية تركية إزاء سوريا

وأضاف ” أردوغان قال لنا في البداية أننا ضيوف تركيا. لكن هل هكذا نستقبل الضيوف في التقاليد التركية”.

من جانبه، عبر عبد العالي يوسف لاجئ سوري آخر عن رفضه العودة إلى سوريا حتى يسقط النظام “الخائن والوحشي”. وقال: ” ربما يقال لنا أنتم دعيتم للعودة من قبل بشار الأسد في خطابه الأخير. نحن نرفض هذا الخطاب جملة وتفصيلا ونؤكد أن لا عودة حتى سقوطه وهذا لسان حال جميع اللاجئين هنا”.

وبين التذبذبات السياسية التركية والعنف شبه اليومي الذي يستهدف المواطنين في محافظات سوريا، ينتظر اللاجئون السوريون في المخيمات بتركيا أن يلتفت أحد إلى أوضاعهم ويعاملهم كباقي اللاجئين في العالم. ولخص رودي اليزيدي منسق المعارضة السورية في منطقة أنطاكيا الوضع المعيشي للاجئين في جملة واحدة: ” مذبحة في سوريا وسجون مفتوحة في تركيا”.

July 7th, 2011, 12:22 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#283

The funniest thing about this bullshit piece is the prequel, if you’ve been watching. Seriously, see the “investigative trail” this woman has created. It’s a load of garbage and typical UNVERIFIABLE American journalism. Really great acting though, lol.

July 7th, 2011, 12:31 pm

 

why-discuss said:

abboud

The army! Good luck! I doubt many in the opposition will accept the idea that the Syrian army who has participated actively in the crackdown will rule the country!
Everyone here accuse it to be under the hand of the Alawites.
Put it to vote and see how many voices you get

Majelalkhaldoon who usually agree with you writes:

“The people are more important than the army,people pay the army to defend the people, when the army turns around and kill the people ,the army betrays the people, and thus committing treason, only silly people defend the army then,only those with dictatorial,criminal mind support and worry about the army, the army when it defends the dictator is not sacred,it is accomplice in criminal activities, it is occupying army

July 7th, 2011, 12:32 pm

 

873 said:

Classic mossad sayan spy using US passport to betray us. This AIPAC traitor was named in lawsuits for his spying and profiting off American secrets to the highest bidder, among them Turkey. He was also a player in 911.

Yet here he is featured on his mission for mossad screeching against Assad and all things Syria.

And this is America’s “alternative media”. Same owners, same interests.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-marc-ginsberg/syrias-assad-americas-dec_b_891785.html

July 7th, 2011, 12:39 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

873,

Wait, people take the huff-and-puff-post seriously?

July 7th, 2011, 12:44 pm

 

SYR.Expat said:

Bad news for Syria’s enemies. Syria has some of the best and most bale officers in the world.

July 7th, 2011, 12:59 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Silence is Golden

Analysis: Arab silence at Syria crackdown speaks volumes

http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-arab-silence-syria-crackdown-speaks-volumes-161105450.html

July 7th, 2011, 1:00 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

295. Syrian Commando said:

“…people take the huff-and-puff-post seriously?”

only the bought and paid for members of the jsm (jew stream media).

July 7th, 2011, 1:01 pm

 

873 said:

SC,

For those not somnambulized by the deliberate entertainment circus? Yes. Its a nation of robot conformity, marinating for decades in sloth and comfort. Minds are moldy and superficial-its called ‘tolerance’; the US media is both cause and symptom.

Now in London, News of the World is shutting down because their reporters’ were caught hacking into thousands of private accounts for headlines. If that happened stateside, the zionist perps could whine “antisemitism” and those whose personal info was illegally hacked would be the ones sued- for defamation and racism! Wish I were kidding SC. The Chosen are above the law- as we’ve amply seen in the unfolding financial fraud and destruction of the country.

July 7th, 2011, 1:11 pm

 

Aboud said:

@293

The vast majority of the atrocities committed have been by very specific units of the army, especially the 4th Division, or by the security apparatuses.

Majed is entitled to his opinion, but I believe a coalition of officers would be capable of chaperoning Syria through a transitional period. Bashar failed the test of leadership, he bumbled from one Friday to the next, with nary a coherent strategy, just when the country needed strong leadership the most.

July 7th, 2011, 1:12 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Comedy before bed:

>The vast majority of the atrocities committed have been by very specific units of the army, especially the 4th Division

Also known as “Maher’s flying tanking army”, which is able to move around Syria at lightning speed. He himself was seen lifting Scud missiles out of the ground with his own hands and hurling them directly at babies. What a monster

That’s all for comedy central, please thank my yiddish friend for his contributions.

July 7th, 2011, 1:22 pm

 

873 said:

295. Syrian Commando said:

““…people take the huff-and-puff-post seriously?”
only the bought and paid for members of the jsm (jew stream media).”

Only? Seems that in a country of 310 million people, there is almost NO diversity. Why are only zionist and sayanim voices represented when this sect is about 4% of the population? In banking, media, govt etc? Contrary to The Chosens’ delusions of grandeur, its not due to their “superior talent, brains or merit” as they loudly claim. Their product output and results in those areas attest to that- dysfunctional, mundane, subpar mess.

Corruption, swindle, deceit, bribery and brute force along with implacable tribal nepotism. AIPAC model is classic. Threaten, boycott after you’ve spied to get blackmailable offenses to control your puppet with. Get controlled puppet “Congressman” to steal billions from the stupid goy as ‘aid’, or launder it through tax-free lobbies (getting paid twice), which is used to repeat the whole process.

Media is the part of the equation which effectively preempts any resistance. If the scam is invisible, what is there to protest against?

July 7th, 2011, 1:27 pm

 

jad said:

‘Pokemon’ is Happy with Bahrain for the Sheikh to accept to have a dialogue while killing his people without any news of that but Syria doesn’t deserve to get any chance for any dialogue or a try out for any kind of reforms and still people think that the ‘non-coloured’ ‘chosen’ ‘white’ people are ‘just’ and ‘balance’ and defiantly ‘trustworthy’ on our world!!

بان كي مون: يجب ايقاف قتل الناس في سورية

وبالنسبة الى الاوضاع في سورية، طالب الامين العام للامم المتحدة القيادة السورية بالوقف الفوري لاعمال العنف ضد الشعب، وقال: “يستمر قتل الناس في سورية. يجب ايقاف هذا”.

ودعا كي مون السلطات السورية الى تنفيذ التزاماتها والسماح لخبراء الامم المتحدة بالدخول الى البلاد لكي يستطيعوا تقدير الوضع في مجال حماية حقوق الانسان.

كما ضرب بان كي مون البحرين مثالا معربا عن رضاه ازاء استعداد حكام هذا البلد للحوار مع الشعب.

وقال: “في حال التحكم الصحيح بذلك، فان هذا الحوار من الممكن ان يساهم في اعادة الاستقرار والوفاق الوطني ويؤدي الى تغييرات. اذ يجب ان يكون (الحوار) حقيقيا وشاملا ومحددا. ويجب ان يتمخض عن اصلاحات تتوافق والمطالب المشروعة للشعب البحريني”.

المصدر: وكالة “اينترفاكس”

July 7th, 2011, 1:27 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#303

Let us not blame anglosaxons for it, look at pokemon for example, he is korean (zio-christian majority). They are susceptible to propaganda though and most of them listen to their media (and ANY media which is perceived to be against their enemies, thus “impartial”, lol) unquestioningly.

July 7th, 2011, 1:30 pm

 

873 said:

Jad,

Russia just pushed back in UNSC protesting that Syria had shown good faith in beginning the process by dialoguing with opposition. If they hold tough on that policy, look for another ‘plane accident’ or maybe “global warming fires” across the Urals to send a geo-diplo message for them to get back in line or else. Or perhaps a GMO plague/e coli bacterium ala Germany. Or like China, they’ll ‘catch a cold’.

July 7th, 2011, 1:31 pm

 

jad said:

SC
“he is korean (zio-christian majority)”
He is a ‘Banana’ (Yellow form the outside but White inside) otherwise he would never be in this position, besides, all those guys are slaves to their masters, they wont say or do anything that is not already written to them.

873,
This is why Juppe is attacking them for not backing his devil plans for Syria

جوبيه: عدم اتخاذ مجلس الامن قرارا ضد سورية بسبب موقف روسيا امر غير مقبول

اعلن وزير الخارجية الفرنسي آلان جوبيه ان عدم وجود ادانة من قبل مجلس الامن الدولي لسورية بسبب الموقف الروسي الرافض يعتبر امرا غير مقبول.

وقال جوبيه يوم الخميس 7 يوليو/تموز: “نعتقد انه من غير المقبول ان مجلس الامن لا يعلق على وضع هو ليس فقط يتناقض مع قيم الامم المتحدة ، بل ويشكل تهديدا للامن الدولي”.

وذكر الدبلوماسي الفرنسي بأن العائق الاساسي الذي يقف حائلا دون اتخاذ قرار دولي يدين تصرفات دمشق يبقى الموقف المتعنت لروسيا التي تملك حق النقض الـ”فيتو” والتي ترفض حتى الآن اتخاذ مثل هذه الوثيقة.

هذا وقد وضع مشروع القرار، الذي يتهم نظام الرئيس بشار الاسد في ارتكاب جرائم ضد الانسانية، بشكل مشترك من قبل مندوبي بريطانيا والمانيا والبرتغال وفرنسا منذ عدة اسابيع.

وتابع جوبيه قائلا “اننا نسعى الى توحيد اكبر عدد ممكن من اعضاء مجلس الامن وتقديم هذا المشروع للتصويت”. هذا وتسعى الدول الغربية كذلك الى الحصول على تأييد كل من الدول البرازيل والهند وجنوب افريقيا، التي تتمتع حاليا بعضوية غير دائمة بمجلس الامن الدولي.

وشدد وزير الخارجية الفرنسي ايضا على ان باريس “لا تؤمن على الاطلاق بأن السلطات السورية برئاسة بشار الاسد قادرة على استعادة استقرار الوضع وتنفيذ الاصلاحات الضرورية”.

واضاف “عندما يتصرف الناس بهذا الشكل، كما يتصرف هو (الاسد) و لا يتوقف تصعيد العنف، تفقد الثقة بمثل هؤلاء السياسيين”.

المصدر: وكالة “ايتار-تاس”

July 7th, 2011, 1:34 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Haha, banana’s a nice way to put it.

I just don’t like it when it’s “whites” versus “non-whites”, it’s kind of racist. I mean I identify myself as white but even so, I think its based on ideology not race. There’s many stupid Turks that hate Syria at the moment for example, but just today some students from Turkish universities visited as a sign of friendship.

Anyway, UN needs to be dismantled. It spreads war, misery, rape and even helps spread disease. What a disgraceful organisation.

The non-aligned movement, is it asleep at the wheel?

July 7th, 2011, 1:35 pm

 

Nour said:

SC:

Antoun Saadeh said it best when he referred to the United Nations as the “Victorious nations of WWII” (هيئة الأمم المنتصرة في الحرب.) The UN is not an independent body that can fairly and equally police the entire world. It is rather an organization made up of nations with interests. The most powerful nations have exercised their hegemony over the organization (which they themselves created anyway) by granting themselves permanent membership in the Security Council and giving themselves veto power. It is a joke of an organization that has been used only to subjugate the weak. No UN SC resolution can ever be passed condemning the US for its brutal, murderous rampage in Iraq, but Syria is fair game for this silly institution. I agree with you, it’s time to dismantle the UN and send all the Pokimons home to find real jobs.

July 7th, 2011, 1:42 pm

 

jad said:

SC
I’m using the same language the west use in their media;

Sunni vs Shia
Alawi vs Sunni
Christian vs Druz
Muslims vs Jews

when you change the same technique to white black and Asian you see how ‘UGLY’, ‘RACIST’ and disgusting the terms is in the Western media when they talk about our region and us.

See, just writing ‘White’ instead of ‘Sunni’ the whole conversation become RACIST for the west, but we have to shut it up and never defend our selves when they use it against us.

July 7th, 2011, 1:43 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

JAD,

Oh I agree, if you recall I took a piece and showed how true it rings in America itself. Yet this is “intellectual analysis”, lol.

By the way, Juppe is pure scum, the British FM is a joke.

I have no doubt that leaked agreement is real.

Turkey needs to be eliminated, it would be in all the neighbouring country’s interest.

By the way, this is great piece of work: “Israeli’s eating babies?” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM7qydsVsJI

July 7th, 2011, 1:44 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

More than Voices; it is Mind Control

Why are only zionist and sayanim voices represented when this sect is about 4% of the population?

873,

You obviously have not been to a recent “Elder of Zion™” meeting.

We may only be 4% of the population, but we own 100% of the world.

We own the oceans.

We own the land.

We own all electro-magnetic radiation, either man-made or in nature.

We own the sun.

We own all the leaders and presidents including Bashar Assad.

We own all the animals since the days of Noah.

We own the protesters in Hama.

Since our last meeting, we decided to let in a few thousand members, however, you must show you were converted by an orthodox rabbi. He will test you on the Talmud, so study hard.

If you’re interested find out more at http://www.jewishmindcontrol.com or the following:

http://www.chabad.org/kids/article_cdo/aid/386331/jewish/The-Spiders-Web.htm

July 7th, 2011, 1:45 pm

 

Aboud said:

“Also known as “Maher’s flying tanking army”, which is able to move around Syria at lightning speed”

I understand your feelings. It’s scary when one faces a war crimes indictment, and while Maher may have felt proud at the moment of committing the atrocities he did, it is now all coming back to haunt him.

It never occurred to the regime that there would be consequences for their brutality. Hence, the efforts underway to distance Maher from the crimes committed.

I really doubt that the Baathists have learned anything from the past 4 months. Rigid, inflexible dictatorships are incapable of course change or adjustments, and will continue telling themselves that all is well right until the ship goes under.

@311 Now I know who was responsible for getting Firefly cancelled. How could you, I’ll never watch TV again! *sob*

July 7th, 2011, 1:46 pm

 

jad said:

About the Zs meeting to support ‘SYRIA’:

ناشطة ومناصرة للقضية الفلسطينية: هدف اجتماع سان جيرمان هو مساعدة إسرائيل وليس للمشاركين فيه أي علاقة بالشعب السوري

أكدت ثريا عزة ناشطة ومناصرة للقضية الفلسطينية في باريس أن ما نظم في سينما سان جيرمان ليس مؤتمرا بل هو حفل نفاق يخدم المصالح الإسرائيلية بامتياز وليس للمشاركين فيه أي علاقة بالشعب السوري.

وقالت عزة في حديث مع التلفزيون السوري عبر الأقمار الصناعية.. إن الهدف الوحيد لهذا الاجتماع صهيوني بحت ولم نر إلا الصهاينة من برنار كوشنير إلى هنري ليفي وغيرهم من الصهاينة أو المؤيدين لإسرائيل والذين لا يحلمون إلا بشيء واحد وهو إقامة إسرائيل الكبرى والعمل على خدمتها.

وأضافت عزة.. لقد حضرنا مع مجموعة من الأصدقاء السوريين ومن النشطاء ضد الصهيونية إلى هذا الاجتماع مشيرة إلى أن العدد كان كبيرا لإصدار بيان بأن هذا الاجتماع ليس من أجل الشعب السوري ولكنهم لم يسمحوا سوى لعدد قليل منا بالدخول فتوزعنا داخل الصالة بعد أن اتفقنا على المشاركة بمداخلة للتعبير عن رأينا.

وأوضحت عزة.. في الاجتماع عرض فيلم دعائي فيه صور مجهولة المصدر مع موسيقا مرافقة لنشيد موطني وهذا ما شكل صدمة بالنسبة لي فكيف للصهاينة أن يستخدموا نشيدا وطنيا كهذا النشيد.. أغضبني الفيلم كثيرا لكنني حافظت على هدوئي في الوقت الذي كان فيه الأمن يخرج البعض منا حتى لم يبق منا إلا ثلاثة فما كان مني إلا أن بدأت بالتصفيق وصرخت أحسنتم لا يوجد أي سوري هنا ولا يوجد إلا صهاينة فقط ومن ثم أخرجوني من الصالة.

وتساءلت عزة.. كيف لا تقف فرنسا إلى جانب الشعب الفلسطيني الذي يعاني منذ أكثر من ستين عاما وكذلك لا تقف مع شعب محاصر في غزة ترتكب بحقه أبشع المجازر وهي تنتهج سياسة الكيل بمكيالين فقد عملت بكل ثقلها للتدخل العسكري في ليبيا وتتمنى أن تفعل الشيء ذاته في سورية فإذا كانوا لا يفكرون بإنقاذ الشعب الفلسطيني فكيف لهم أن يفكروا بالشعب السوري.

وأكدت عزة إن هذا الاجتماع برمته نفاق بنفاق والتدخل الفرنسي ليس عملا خيريا أو إنسانيا بل هو من اجل مصلحتها والسيطرة على المنطقة وقد فوجئنا بالاهتمام بالشعب السوري من قبل العديد من المسؤولين الفرنسيين الذين وجدوا في هذا الاجتماع إضافة إلى وجود صحفيين فرنسيين لا ينقلون إلا صورة واحدة لما يجري وهذا أمر خطير جدا ودليل على وجود لوبي في فرنسا

July 7th, 2011, 1:50 pm

 

Nour said:

“I understand your feelings. It’s scary when one faces a war crimes indictment, and while Maher may have felt proud at the moment of committing the atrocities he did, it is now all coming back to haunt him. ”

This is a typical tactic of a propagandist. Don’t engage the other side in substantive discussions on the veracity of any claim, just continue expressing remarks that imply the underlying assertion to be already established fact. There is a saying in the legal world in the US which goes like this: “If you don’t have the facts, pound the law. If you don’t have the law, pound the facts. And if you don’t have either, pound the table.” This is exactly what these “Revolutionists” are doing.

July 7th, 2011, 1:53 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

I should mention it’s prototypical of zionist liars you encounter on the internet. This is their favourite strategy and the funny thing is they think I actually read their comments at all, rather than skimming the beginning, lol.

My brain just sees “bullshit detected” and I proceed to destroy them anyway. It’s hilarious how retarded these zionists are.

By the way, during the Iraq war, they used to silence all the critics as “Ba’athists” regardless of their political affiliation. Just substitute “poopy head” and you see what they really mean.

>If you don’t have the facts, pound the law. If you don’t have the law, pound the facts. And if you don’t have either, pound the table.

I’m stealing this.

July 7th, 2011, 1:56 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

This is just the tip of our Jewish-Controlled Iceberg

One of our jewish-controlled arab writers speaking to one of our jewish-controlled TV personalities…

July 7th, 2011, 2:05 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#316

Just a little personal question, what did you have for dinner?

July 7th, 2011, 2:09 pm

 

Aboud said:

“Don’t engage the other side in substantive discussions on the veracity of any claim”

I’m afraid it’s quite impossible to engage in debate with people who think a Salafi gang could overnight take over the city of Hama. It’s not just a different viewpoint we are debating, it’s an entirely different reality.

@315 “My brain just sees “bullshit detected” and I proceed to destroy them anyway”

The only thing you manage to destroy, is one’s faith in the intelligence of the human race. You Baathists are truly living proof of the existence of God. Only a divine power could create someone of such epic stupidity.

@314 “If you don’t have the facts, pound the law. If you don’t have the law, pound the facts. And if you don’t have either, pound the table.”

I posted that very same observation weeks ago on this very forum. Only a Baathist would never have heard of it before this day.

Seriously, the only thing more painful to watch than a Baathist trying to give convulsed explanations to a reality only he inhabits, is to see their weak attempts at humor. Don’t give up whatever day jobs you may have just yet.

July 7th, 2011, 2:14 pm

 

873 said:

311. Akbar Palace said:
“More than Voices; it is Mind Control
“You obviously have not been to a recent “Elder of Zion™” meeting.
We may only be 4% of the population, but we own 100% of the world.”

You said it dunce, out of your own mouth.

Oh those poor persecuted jews, they’re always being maligned by a world that just hates them because they’re Chosen by god and they’re jealous of us. We never do anything but bring light unto all the nations and then they accuse us of all these horrible things… just pick on us endlessly for no good reason. LOLOL

Quote after quote from the self-designated Chosen are just coincidence and anyone who quotes the original statements is the bad racist denier hater antisemite conspiricist etc. Not the authors themselves.
I didnt compose this crap, neither did Mohammad- jews did.

“We Jewish people control America and the Americans know it. “~Ariel Sharon, former Israeli Prime Minister, October 3, 2001

“The role of the President of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. ” ~Anne Lewis, Senior Advisor to Hillary Clinton and sister of Rep. Barney Frank

“Politics in America has become a Jewish profession, just like law and the arts. ” ~Ira Forman, The Jewish Daily Forward, March 20, 2008

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They are scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.” -~Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister

“The U.S. has no longer a government of goyim, but an administration in which the Jews are full partners in the decision making at all levels.”-~Maariv [Israeli newspaper], The Jews Who Run Clinton’s Court, September 2, 1994

“The Roosevelt Administration has selected more Jews to fill influential positions than any previous administration.” ~Brooklyn Jewish Examiner, October 20, 1933

“All property of other nations belongs to the jews which nation consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”= Schulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 348”

“We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judiaca, and OUR RACE will rule
undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.” – Rabbi Rabbinovich

“We will have world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” ~James Warburg, Jewish banker

“If gentiles refuse to live a life of inferiority then this signals their rebellion and the unavoidable necessity of jewish warfare against their very presence.”
~Mordechai Nisan, Kiyunim – Official Publication of the World Zionist Organization, August 1984, PP. 151-156

“The main avodah of this generation is to go out to the final war of the golus. To conquer and to purify all the gentile countries.”-~Shabbos Parshas Vayelech (sp?), 5746, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, The Rebbe Speaks

July 7th, 2011, 2:21 pm

 

N.Z. said:

This only confirms Ibrahim Kashoush’s lyric, LEAVE LEAVE YA BASHAR! We Syrians love our country, no doubt. Our traitors sold us and the country.. yet they kept repeating American and Zionist imperialism is our number one enemy!! Our number one enemy is this rotten, barbaric and sadist mafia, the Assad Mafia.

U.S. ambassador in Hama to support Syria protesters??????? More to support this indispensable proxy.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. ambassador to Syria has traveled to the restive city of Hama to show solidarity with protesters as Syrian security forces step up efforts to isolate the area, the State Department said on Thursday.

Ambassador Robert Ford has met with about a dozen Hama residents during his trip, and hopes to stay in the city through Friday when more protests are planned, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said.

“The fundamental intention … was to make absolutely clear with his physical presence that we stand with those Syrians who are expressing their right to speak for change, who want a democratic future and who are expressing those views peacefully,” Nuland said.

July 7th, 2011, 2:24 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Summary of #318:

Baathists … Baathist … Baathist …

http://i.imgur.com/GIZd4.jpg

July 7th, 2011, 2:29 pm

 

AIG said:

Alex,

All your efforts to show that the Syrian regime and its supporters are not antisemitic look ridiculous given the vile antisemitism shown by regime supporters on this blog. Have you really decided to burn all your bridges?

July 7th, 2011, 2:30 pm

 
 

Aboud said:

@321 Stop stealing my lines. Geesh, is everyone channeling the spirit of Rami Makhlouf? First, it was my *facepalm*, then my cute >_< emote, and now my witty summary of silly comments.

@322 Alas AIG, it's not just Jews they hate, they hate the UN, Palestinians (see Syrian Cuckoo's comment from yesterday), all the news media, Europe, the Arabs, in fact everyone that isn't a junior-worshiper. They even hate people they feel don't worship junior sufficiently.

Reminds me of a joke I saw in MAD magazine

First Right-Wing-Militia Member: "We hate Jews, Hispanics, Conservatives, Liberals, Gays, Born Again Christians, Immigrants and Indians"

Second Right-Wing-Militia Member: "That just leaves you and me"

First Right-Wing-Militia Member: *pointing gun* "Yeah, and I'm beginning to wonder about you"

July 7th, 2011, 2:40 pm

 

AIG said:

SC,

Keep it coming. You are showing the world exactly what Assad supporters are. If indeed US ambassador Ford is in Hama, the Assad regime is finished. Let’s see if the Rabbit of the Golan is brave against the US as he is against unarmed civilians.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/07/07/damon.syria.doctors.cnn?iref=allsearch

July 7th, 2011, 2:44 pm

 

AIG said:

Aboud,

I think that Ambassador Ford going to Hama is very significant.
What do you and others in the opposition think?

July 7th, 2011, 2:46 pm

 

873 said:

Another quick clip from Sayinim Central. Of course we’re supposed to pretend not to notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these crooks is a JEW. There is not one “TERRORIST MUSLIM” in this lineup- nor one OBL, HAMAS, MB, IRGC or Hezbollahi agent.

America- who have really been the ones to destroy you during the decade of the War on Terror?

July 7th, 2011, 2:49 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>US ambassador Ford is in Hama, the Assad regime is finished

… I think you’re going to need to expand on this because at the moment it is a non-sequitur.

If anything it shows that the “travel warning” the US gave against Syria is a big fat lie to harm tourism. The only reason he entered Hama is because security forces are now inside.

You zionists are thirsty for any indication that it’s going your way, without realising we’ve already won. You guys must be close to suicide now. Feel free to discuss it amongst other zionists (Aboud in this case).

By the way,

>then my cute >_< emote

Ya 7aram, he doesn't realise it's older than time itself.

^_~v Victory!

July 7th, 2011, 2:51 pm

 

AIG said:

SC,

What a liar you are. Ford went to Hama to meet opposition members and bear witness to the demonstrations tomorrow. Let’s see your cowardly regime touch a hair on his head.

July 7th, 2011, 2:59 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

You’re a joke, along with your pathetic country and institutions. Are you saying you plan to sacrifice him to the Islamist terrorists in order to create a diplomatic incident with Syria? Is this the last card you pathetic creatures have to play against us.

There’s going to be Moukhabarat ALL AROUND HIM, making sure not a single MB thug lays a finger on him.

I REPEAT ZIONIST SCUM: GO HANG YOURSELF IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE RESULT, YOU HAVE __LOST__!!!

July 7th, 2011, 3:01 pm

 

N.Z. said:

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall ( Assad and cronies )

All the kings horses and all the king maids ( America and Israel)

Will not be able to put the Assad house in order again ..

July 7th, 2011, 3:03 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

No matter how many times you repeat this lie, there’s no one believing that Israel and America would help out the government of Syria, given that it is the pillar of resistance that is a thorn in both their sides.

Man, you zionists must have brains filled with sewage sludge.

July 7th, 2011, 3:06 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Alfred E. Assad: “What Me Worry?”

Reminds me of a joke I saw in MAD magazine

Aboud,

Anyone who reads MAD magazine is cool in my book.

http://www.dccomics.com/mad/

July 7th, 2011, 3:07 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Gute nacht, this place is becoming more and more like the ynetnews/Haaretz comment section.

July 7th, 2011, 3:13 pm

 

Mina said:

OMG!
Oklahoma, gay activists, you name it! I wish the guy had met Josh and joined a think-tank instead of going to jail!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/07/bradley-manning-chat-logs-zach-antolak
A US/UK democratic childhood as you name it.

July 7th, 2011, 3:13 pm

 

873 said:

322. AIG said:
“Alex, All your efforts to show that the Syrian regime and its supporters are not antisemitic look ridiculous given the vile antisemitism shown by regime supporters on this blog. Have you really decided to burn all your bridges?”

Is that an implied threat against Alex/Josh little dick? Instead of being a man and taking responibility for the undeniable filth that originates from your side of the fence, little dick screams “antisemite”. How many times have we seen Muslim quotes (and misquotes) by Qaradawi, Qoran, Hamas, Ahmedinjade etc splashed across the media? No problem!

When the hasbara’s own tactics are applied against the Hasbara machine? “Antisemite”! (Because AIG couldnt claim the documented quotes above were ‘forgeries’ nor could he ever hope to rationalize their outrageous racism and declarations of intent.)

If you’re so passionate about Arab rights, take on Saudi Arabia. But you wont do that will you LD? Because they are working for Israel and helping you with the Greater Middle East plan. Really Pathetic.

July 7th, 2011, 3:13 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

It’s Getting Tough Out There

Man, you zionists must have brains filled with sewage sludge.

SC,

Yeah, but we own the world. And we control the Syrian Army AND the protesters like little puppets on a string.

And there is nothing you can do about it except write posts on the Zionist-controlled internet and world-wide-(spider)web…

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2011/07/07/1673819/us-ambassador-visits-under-siege.html

July 7th, 2011, 3:14 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

My parting shot: You don’t own the world, you’re just a tool of those who do and when the time comes they’re going to sacrifice you. You’re no different to the salafists, evangalists in this regard.

July 7th, 2011, 3:17 pm

 

Aboud said:

@326

It’s hugely significant. The Americans have been toeing the line throughout these events, and this is an uncharacteristically bold move on their part. Notice how they try to phrase it so that it doesn’t seem like they are taking sides;

“to make absolutely clear with his physical presence that we stand with those Syrians who are expressing their right to speak for change, who want a democratic future and who are expressing those views peacefully,”

But it “Express views peacefully” means the complete and utter end of the regime. We’ve seen time and again how Syrians have come out in droves where the security presence was absent.

Hugely, hugely significant, it will take a bit of time to process what it means.

And don’t worry about Syrian Cuckoo, he’s so outlandish he’s harmless, like an old raving neighbor.

@331 Hehehe, nice one 🙂

@336 “Is that an implied threat against Alex/Josh little dick? ” No you piece of whatever-they-call-the-part-that-attaches-a-dog’s-dick-to-the-rest-of-it, it is a very appropriate observation how you Baathists hate everyone and everything that doesn’t worship soon-to-be-gone junior in sufficient quantities. You see conspiracies in greater numbers than there are stars in the galaxy. Your pea sized brains cannot comprehend that junior could ever be wrong. You are on a sinking ship called the SS-Baatanic.

July 7th, 2011, 3:17 pm

 

AIG said:

SC,

Who has kept the Golan quiet since 1973? The Rabbits of the Golan. How are they not “Zionist tools”? They talk big but in fact are puppets.

When Israel bombed the Syrian nuclear reactor what did the Rabbit do? Nothing. How is he not a “Zionist tool”? He is exactly the Rabbit Israel and the US want. I am pretty sure he even told them himself were the nuclear site was.

July 7th, 2011, 3:18 pm

 

N.Z. said:

This is reform a l’Assad!!

July 7th, 2011, 3:21 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

873 hates Jews but isn’t an anti-semite or maybe he’s just retarded NewZ

Oh those poor persecuted jews, they’re always being maligned by a world that just hates them because they’re Chosen by god and they’re jealous of us.

Of course we’re supposed to pretend not to notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of these crooks is a JEW.

vs.

Instead of being a man and taking responibility for the undeniable filth that originates from your side of the fence, little dick screams “antisemite”.

July 7th, 2011, 3:22 pm

 

873 said:

334. Syrian Commando said:
\”Gute nacht, this place is becoming more and more like the ynetnews/Haaretz comment section.\”

Haaretz Hasbara? Once again Commando, you are more correct than you even realize:

http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/07/actor-in-israel

July 7th, 2011, 3:22 pm

 

Aboud said:

And the bad news just keeps on piling up for the Baathists;

الليرة تعاني ضغوطا كبيرة وسط مخاوف من إعلان إفلاس النظام
“الإيكونوميست”: شخصيات سورية تهرِّب 20 مليار دولار لمصارف لبنانية

“The Syrian Lira is Under Enormous Pressure Amidst Fears that the Regime May Go Bankrupt.

Economist: Important Syrian Individuals Smuggled $20 Billion to Lebanese Banks”

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/06/156414.html

July 7th, 2011, 3:28 pm

 

873 said:

Aboud,

You’re dunce. but each to his own.

BTW- I am 100% American without any dual nationality. I dont serve another country while subverting, destroying or spying on my own- I am not an AIPAC-American.

I am also not Muslim-American, but can see how the methods used to demonize this minority are being turned against the next targets which are those who resist zionist fascism and its NWO.

July 7th, 2011, 3:38 pm

 

873 said:

342. Akbar Palace said:
873 hates Jews but isn’t an anti-semite or maybe he’s just retarded NewZ

Why dont you address the historical quotes listed little dick? Instead of running away from the issue and copping out with your name calling? Because on the list of names you may smear any human being with- “antisemite or holocaust denier or 911 denier or global warming denier or conspiracy theorist” etc etc, arent any I give a rats behind about. Wont be kept in line by them.
Couldnt care less.

July 7th, 2011, 3:43 pm

 

Mina said:

Well, alarabiya spreading lies to influence financial matters, no big deal. But Netanyahu bribing Romania to get support from any country bigger than a small Pacific island, it sounds like the end.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gets-backing-of-romania-ahead-of-un-vote-on-palestinian-statehood-1.371801

You bet after this ‘peaceful support’ we’ll read a new version of
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/anti-semitism-is-alive-and-kicking-in-romania-1.256447
pretty soon after the vote.

July 7th, 2011, 3:44 pm

 

Aboud said:

@347 “Well, alarabiya spreading lies to influence financial matters, no big deal”

HAHAHAHAHAHA, and yet you people were so eager to believe Arabiya’s story about Iraqi oil coming to junior’s rescue. Heck, Landis built an entire Iranian-Iraqi-Syria-Hizbollah alliance out of that one article.

Tsk tsk tsk…you really, right now, it really sucks to be you 🙂

July 7th, 2011, 3:49 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Zionist Hegemony (continued)

Yemen’s president proposes sharing power with…

…you guessed it…

The Joos!

http://news.yahoo.com/yemen-vp-presents-transition-plan-saleh-stays-130958035.html

July 7th, 2011, 3:55 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

“I thought Hama [last Friday] was around 70-80k [protestors], how do you know for sure that it was 15k?”, asks Syrian Commando.

Take a look at this bird’s eye view of it:

There’s a bit more body to the demonstrators to the right of this camera, which you can’t see in this video. Other videos (from the ground) show that there’s not a lot more body to the crowd than what you can see in the above. I haven’t taken the time to carefully count the crowd size. I might carefully count tomorow’s Hama crowd. One way to get a quick and rough but non-impressionistic count is to take a video of a section of a football stadium whose number of seats is a known number, then transfer slices of the Hama crowd into the football stadium crowd.

Although I haven’t counted last Friday’s Hama crowd carefully, I think everybody should be able to see that a 70K estimate is a gross overestimate by simply scanning the above two-minute video (with the assumption the crowd doesn’t go back to the right by a significant amount). It is very clear to me that if that crowd were transferred into the Milan San Siro or the Madrid Bernabeu the stadium would be mostly empty.

July 7th, 2011, 4:05 pm

 

Mawal95 said:

Bassam Al-Qadi agrees with this:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/07/c_13971782.htm

The Syrian daily Al-Watan, which is close to the regime, has reported 7 July 2011 that the parliamentary elections that were scheduled to be held in August have been postponed to an unknown date “in order to enable the establishment of pluralistic political life through constitutional amendments and new legislation on elections and parties.”

Here’s another item reflecting current Pro-regime Establishment thinking: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/06/c_13969690.htm

Dr. Omar al-Abdullah, dean of the political science faculty in Damascus University, told the government-run al-Thawra newspaper on Tuesday: “In light of the recent developments in the country, there should be a modern constitution that would keep pace with the vision of President Assad and meets the Syrian people’s aspirations.” Dr. Hawash Shahin, a professor of the international law at the faculty of law in Damascus University told the same paper: “If we open the political arena for party competition, this actually means that the constitution must be revised.”

Incidentally, one of Syrian Commando’s cousins is in the Lebanese parliament: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/07/c_13969779.htm

The site news.xinhuanet.com, also known as english.news.cn, is more balanced about Syria than the Western press is. I have the following link bookmarked for news about Syria from that site:
http://search.news.cn/language/search.jspa?id=en&t=1&t1=0&ss=&ct=&n1=syria&x=22&y=11

July 7th, 2011, 4:08 pm

 

Jad said:

المسودة الاولى لقانون الاعلام:
http://www.shukumaku.com/Content.php?id=29698

July 7th, 2011, 4:10 pm

 

873 said:

“349. Akbar Palace said: Zionist Hegemony”

Why dont you answer the earlier quotes, coward?

http://news.yahoo.com/yemen-vp-presents-transition-plan-saleh-stays-130958035.html

“Yahoo news hates jews! Yahoo news is antisemitic and blames all world problems on jews and persecutes them. Yahoo news should be banned or sued into bankruptcy! Yahoo news supports the Holocaust!

YAHOO NEWS IS THE NEXT HITLER!”

July 7th, 2011, 4:13 pm

 

Aboud said:

@350

*facepalm*

You’re still going on about how many demonstrated in Hama? It’s been a week already, that train has loooooong since left the station. Events have gone way beyond that, and you wanna waste your time studying stadiums of….you know, never mind.

Go ahead, study stadiums while the rest of the country goes on strike for the second Thursday in a row, and this goes on in Hama

July 7th, 2011, 4:18 pm

 

Mina said:

Several good extracts in Manning’s chat, including this one:
“(9:57:46 PM) ZJ: man, stay safe in iraq

(10:01:26 PM) bradass87: im an analyst, i shadow a brigade commander… also, the shia majority in the location we are going doesn’t want to screw around with the US… theyre stockpiling fresh weapons… because the moment they leave, they plan on removing sunnis out of the region to the southeast and northeast of baghdad

(10:02:01 PM) bradass87: im trying to figure out a way to prevent a civil war the second we leave

(10:02:47 PM) ZJ: that sounds very bad”

Unrest in Syria as a way to guarantee the Iraqis will beg the US to stay a little longer?

July 7th, 2011, 4:21 pm

 

Simon said:

Dear Prof Landis
I thought that this forum is created to comment on your publications about Syria.
I am so amazed with the diversity of the discussion.
Are we suppose to discuss Hitler , Zionism and anti-Semitism in every single political debate,every day in every single year we live in this world?
The good thing is my repertoire of swear words is rich now.

July 7th, 2011, 4:27 pm

 

Aboud said:

@356

Sorry, but apparently alot of movements are in on the conspiracy to remove The Eye Doctor. All have to be discussed and condemned sufficiently. I really think junior can bring about world peace, since everyone seems united in wanting his downfall according to his supporters.

“The good thing is my repertoire of swear words is rich now.”

Sorry.

July 7th, 2011, 4:34 pm

 

jad said:

Dear Mina,
I’m not following Manning case, what’s the deal with the chat leaks? and how is it connected to the Syrian case?
Thank you

The french ambassador is going with the American in Hama tour.

The Syrians in turkey need to come back home:
معاناه المعتقلين السوريين في مخيمات تركيا -نقص الغذاء
http://youtu.be/1jNcacgFg3M

July 7th, 2011, 4:37 pm

 

873 said:

MINA,

Not sure if you’ve heard the other side of opinion on Manning, that he is a Monica Lewinsky serving another agenda? Many in the military know that with his very low level clearance he would not have had access (on his own volition) to the millions of documents that he claimed to dump via Wikileaks (itself a CIA-NSA-Mossad front). Alot of inconsistencies there- some of which have been questioned by military veterans in US who at first jumped to support him but have since backed off.

July 7th, 2011, 4:40 pm

 

Observer said:

Hear Hear Simon

The purpose of the electronic Shabiha is to drown the debate into sterile personal attacks and to divert from factual accounting of what is happening and avoid any critique of the regime.

What is disturbing is that the moderator of this site is allowing pure insults to go through

In analyzing the situation on this blog, it is clear that pro regime people have rejected totally any acceptance of any person or view that is not entirely subservient to the dictates of the ruling family. This total rejection of the other is exactly the same approach that the regime has on the ground just as the events in Hama have demonstrated with death and destruction following in the wake of the “insecurity and chaos forces of the regime”.

Meanwhile the monologue continues while the Rats and the Germs of the world are multiplying.

Caucescu, Milosevic, Ben Ali, Hosni, are you there? Can you hear us; Saif in Tripoli do you wish to add your list to a vote by the Rats and the Germs of the people for a free and fair election?

Humbug

July 7th, 2011, 4:42 pm

 

Mina said:

Jad
I agree it is far from Syria Comment concerns, but it gives an idea of how a peaceful kid end up in the army simply because he is good at computers and wants to go to the university. Most soldiers in Iraq and elsewhere on the US bases all other the world are victims of this unfair system where poors cannot study at the same level as the other citizens. It is my contribution to the open debate on democracy and the need to invent a third way where we preserve the equality we enjoy in Europe in terms of school and health (but it is vanishing as days pass, and you can see people demonstrating in Greece, Spain, etc to show that many do not want the continuation of the implementation of the US model which has proved to fail).

July 7th, 2011, 4:45 pm

 

873 said:

356. Simon said:
“Dear Prof Landis
I thought that this forum is created to comment on your publications about Syria. I am so amazed with the diversity of the discussion.
Are we suppose to discuss Hitler, Zionism and anti-Semitism in every single political debate,every day in every single year we live in this world?”

I guess AIG & AP trotted out a colleague to continue the victim meme when they couldnt take the heat? Or confront the questions?
Oh those poor, poor ever-persecuted jews, every single minute of every single day of every year they are being picked on by the whole wide world – will it ever end??? Oooooohhhh! The wailing and gnashing of teeth is overwhelming.

Israel is the PRIME beneficiary and architect of the Color Destabilizations going on in Syria and across the middle east. They are not uninvolved parties to the tragedy- just strategically silent on it (for now). Dont expect them to be let off the hook. Whine elsewhere and grow up.

What is being lobbed now in the zionists’ direction has been heaped on Muslims by zionists in western media FOR YEARS. Interesting how when the same medicine is dished to them? They dont like it much. As for Muslims/Islam? The defense of their image and interests in US’s zionist -controlled media has been almost non-existent. Its very odd to see anyone evening up the score isnt it???

July 7th, 2011, 4:52 pm

 

jad said:

Mina,
Thank you for explaining.
If equality is indeed vanishing in Europe giving the way for a total capitalist to take over socialism then in few years the west might face another revolution similar to the french revolution, and on a more bigger scale than the Greece one today, no?

July 7th, 2011, 4:53 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

ASGHAR WOKR

as always the same tune : WE WE WE …

The Elected ! haha the big lie again and again

Don’t fool us with your old books. No use to study to realize this evidence.

July 7th, 2011, 4:59 pm

 

atassi said:

NO ASSAD
NO ASSAD
NO ASSAD
NO ASSAD
NO ASSAD
NO ASSAD
Assad regime will be written in history as : Immoral with criminal minds, wicked with awful face

July 7th, 2011, 5:00 pm

 

atassi said:

Opposition Builds in Syria’s Capital, a Key Battleground
By Nour Malas
7 July 2011
14:29
The Wall Street Journal Online
WSJO
The Wall Street Journal – Print and Online
CTGSMFS
English
Copyright 2011 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Protests have built up into nightly affairs in Syria’s sprawling capital and activists are pressing boycotts against Syrian insiders, as action against the government moves closer to the political and administrative core of President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.
Protests have started to build in new areas of Damascus and gain breadth across neighborhoods in the city over the past few weeks. Less visibly, young activists started publicizing lists of brands and companies distributed or owned by people they say are close to the ruling regime to boycott.
The boycott list includes brands of cigarettes, canned tuna and dairy products as well as taxi companies and cafes. The list includes several companies linked to Rami Makhlouf, a cousin of the president who has been the target of U.S. and European Union sanctions and who last month vowed to retire from business.
“The solution to mobilizing Damascus is to economically strangle the bourgeoisie and business class that benefit from the regime,” said one activist, who was disappointed to learn his favorite milk brand was controlled by Mr. Makhlouf.
Damascus and Syria’s second city, Aleppo, are keys to the survival of Mr. Assad’s regime. Together, they are home to over half of Syria’s population of at least 21 million. Analysts say that should mass protests mobilize there, the two cities hold the potential to tip Syria into what the International Crisis Group has called a “slow-motion revolution.”
But in Damascus, where many remain loyal to Mr. Assad and others are reluctant to join protests that risk destabilizing their country, antigovernment activists have adopted lower-key tactics, like the boycotts, to draw in supporters.
Protests in the capital haven’t exploded like in other large cities Homs or Hama, where tens of thousands have demonstrated around public squares. Tanks surrounded Hama on Sunday, ending a month-long spree of protests free of regime oversight. Security forces continued to press their campaign there, with 24 people killed on Tuesday and Wednesday and over 700 detained on Wednesday and Thursday, according to global campaigning organization Avaaz.
Damascus has seen small protests since the early weeks of the four-month-long uprising, both in the belt of underdeveloped suburbs around the city and in urban neighborhoods aside from the capital’s wealthiest districts. The military has locked down at least nine suburbs at various points and parts of Douma, Daraya and Moadamiyeh remain under a security siege, residents and activists say.
In the past few weeks, protests have become larger, closer to central Damascus and as frequent as nightly. This past week, two separate protests marched through central Baghdad Street, not far from the parliament building.
Violence against protesters is partly what has motivated more people to join protests, as in other spots across Syria, city residents and activists said. In a show of the regime’s willingness to crush dissent even at a centrally located college campus, security forces stormed Damascus University on June 21, killing one student.
Students described thugs breaking down dorm doors and dragging women out of their beds, just a day after Mr. Assad had delivered a speech at the university acknowledging protesters had legitimate demands and promising reforms.
With pervasive security and intelligence surveillance making it difficult to organize, activists have turned to less-overt expressions of dissent. Unlike calls for a nationwide general strike—which have fallen flat in Damascus and Aleppo—they hope boycotting products and places will allow more people to support the protesters.
Some businessmen are already donating money to protesters or families of the injured outside the capital. Activists say some of their laptops have been provided by Damascene businessmen, who they say maintain a public proregime line to protect their business interests.
“Many, but by no means all, Damascenes have the most to lose economically from the collapse of the regime, compared to those outside the capital, so they are likely to be the last to protest en masse,” a senior Western diplomat in the capital said.
Syria’s economy is already sputtering, as a near-total dropoff in tourism leaves hotels deserted and shopper reluctance has stores closing for what has traditionally been busy evening hours. If a targeted boycott of businesses aggravates those woes and protests continue to grow, analysts say members of Damascus’s business community could quickly switch sides to cut their losses.
Protests are expected to grow in August, when people gather at mosques for prayer daily—rather than weekly—during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
For now, protesters have abandoned attempts to gather at the capital’s two large squares, Omayyad Square and Abassin Square, after a march toward Abassin in April was violently dispersed by security forces.
Omar Idlibi, a spokesperson for the activists’ Local Coordinating Committees, said they don’t aim to settle around a public square in the capital, as Egypt’s protesters did. They have avoided overnight sit-ins, hoping instead to wear out the regime’s military and security with the spread of protests across the country.
“Damascus is likely to be the last place where there will be large scale antiregime protests,” the diplomat said. “The regime’s continued strong grip on [Damascus and Aleppo] also sends a powerful symbolic message to Syrians and outsiders that the regime is still in control of the country.”
The capital’s long-held loyalty to Mr. Assad is pronounced in a growing number of portraits and posters of the president around the city. Pro-regime rallies have also grown in recent weeks.
Some say antiregime protesters are still limited to disgruntled residents of cramped, lower-class neighborhoods even when they march through the boutique-lined streets of al-Shaalan.
Others say surprising constituencies have joined. Unable to gather in public squares, secular activists and even Christians have found sanctity in mosques as a place to gather for protests.
“My Christian and Communist friends and classmates come to the mosque with me every week, just to protest after,” a university student said. “They don’t know how to pray, but they ask me what to do when we’re on the way.”
A reporter in Damascus contributed to this article.

July 7th, 2011, 5:02 pm

 

atassi said:

US envoy to observe Friday demo in Syria’s Hama
7 July 2011
15:11
Agence France Presse
AFPR
English
Copyright Agence France-Presse, 2011 All reproduction and presentation rights reserved.
The US ambassador to Damascus is visiting the flashpoint Syrian city of Hama and plans to observe mass demonstrations Friday against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, the State Department said.
Last Friday, an anti-regime rally brought out half a million people in Hama, according to pro-democracy activists. The security services did not intervene and Assad fired the city’s governor the next day.
Syrian authorities have been trying to quell protests in the city, traditionally a center of opposition to central government, and have positioned tanks on the main entrances, except in the north.
Ambassador Robert Ford spent the day in Hama, “expressing our deep support for the right of the Syrian people to assemble peacefully and to express themselves,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.
Nuland said Ford had spoken to more than a dozen residents in Hama, and visited a hospital where victims of violence were being treated.
“He is interested in seeing the activity tomorrow,” she said, referring to the latest in a series of planned protests after Friday prayers.
A senior US official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Ford was in the city “to make contact” with opposition leaders.
“We need to know who these guys are, we need to know what they aspire to in terms of political process and a different future for their country. We need to make contact and that’s what he’s there to do,” the official said.
Washington acknowledged last week that Ford had met with opponents of the Assad regime.
Nuland stressed that the ambassador had made “his own trip” to Hama, unlike a previous visit on June 21 to a restive town near the Turkish border in which Ford and other foreign diplomats were escorted as guests of the regime.
“We’re greatly concerned about the situation in Hama,” Nuland said. “The situation, he (Ford) says, is tense, a lot of shops are closed, folks are concerned.”
Hundreds of residents have fled Hama in recent hours, fearing a crackdown from the army on the eve of new demonstrations there and across the country voicing opposition to any dialogue with the Assad regime.
Hama has been a symbol of opposition since the 1982 crackdown on a revolt by the banned Muslim Brotherhood against then-president Hafez al-Assad, father of the present leader, in which some 20,000 people were killed.
Rights groups say that more than 1,300 civilians have been killed and 10,000 people arrested by Syrian security forces since mid-March.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned Assad that time for his regime is running out but stopped short of directly calling for him to step down.

July 7th, 2011, 5:03 pm

 

Simon said:

#357 & #360
Now that is better!!
back to the subject at least!!!
Syria and Syrians are fine and they don’t need your approval.

July 7th, 2011, 5:03 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

@873 #362

“Are we suppose to discuss Hitler, Zionism and anti-Semitism in every single political debate,every day in every single year we live in this world?”

“in this world”, you do mean “in this blog” at least ?

well thanks to people like AI(r)G, ASGHAR WOKR and AKIR IN TEL AVIV etc.., unfortunately …

(r) stands for racist but you may notice that all of the bunch is actually racist

July 7th, 2011, 5:08 pm

 

Aboud said:

@369

You forgot ABOUD. I’d prefer to be associated with the people you mentioned, than with your sort.

@366 Thank you for the article Atassi.

“Activists say some of their laptops have been provided by Damascene businessmen, who they say maintain a public proregime line to protect their business interests.”

Yes, I know that part for a fact.

July 7th, 2011, 5:20 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

OBSERVER

“for a free and fair election”

i’m not really sure that you wish that

and if a free and fair election is to happen, i bet you’ll be very disappointed

July 7th, 2011, 5:20 pm

 

Simon said:

#362
What are you talking about?
you are twisting my words.
stick to your colour please and preferably the main subject.

July 7th, 2011, 5:26 pm

 

873 said:

Simon,
Here is SYRIA, all about Syria. The full monty, the comprehensive overview on Syria. Explains all.

http://www.irmep.org/Policy_Briefs/3_27_2003_Clean_Break_or_Dirty_War.html

370. Aboud said:
You forgot ABOUD. I’d prefer to be associated with the people you mentioned, than with your sort.

Why dont you try to get a (non-espionage) job then and work in Israel? Or better yet, let them give you a dual passport? Please let us know how that works out.

July 7th, 2011, 5:40 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

873

thanks for the link in #373

by the way ABOUD is زفت حريري

a different kind with a special mention for different “skills”

July 7th, 2011, 6:05 pm

 

Aqib Bhatti said:

I would like to state that there are men, such as Shaykh Muhammad al Yaqoubi, who are willing to risk their life and oppose the regime openly. Shaykh Muhammad is a well-respected scholar living in Damascus, who held a post as an Imam. He refuted the atrocities taking place in his home land, and addressed the Syrian President to listen to the needs and demands of the masses – before it is too late. He was interrogated and sacked from his post, and banned from making any public speeches.
You can listen to his damning talk, that led to his interrogation and sacking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQHumyN5kM
This is the same person who delivered a beautiful speech, in New York, on the Rights of Woman in Islam. This speech was an eye opener for me personally, for I did not realise that Islam afforded such rights to woman.
Just listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYslNPLHlns

July 7th, 2011, 6:34 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

SYRIAN COMMANDO

A MARCH STRAIGHT ON HAMA FROM ALL SYRIA

quick let’s show a million asses to Mr Ford … before the final battle

July 7th, 2011, 6:40 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

Mina

“Wikileaks (itself a CIA-NSA-Mossad front)”

i agree with you : the main goal of Wikileaks is to annihilate the WTC 9/11 issue.

July 7th, 2011, 6:46 pm

 

873 said:

374. vlad-the-syrian said:
873
thanks for the link in #373
by the way ABOUD is زفت حريري a different kind with a special mention for different “skills”

I dont have arabic script on my computer but we also know what sharmut means in latin script… He’s an AIPAC-Arab then? That is grotesque. I feel so sorry for Syria. His family must be dying of shame.

July 7th, 2011, 10:43 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Iran is planning to discuss its natural gas transfer to Europe through Iraq and Syria. Iraq’s Ambassador to Tehran, Mohammad Majeed al-Sheikh said Tehran and Baghdad are set to discuss transferring Iran’s natural gas to Europe via Iraq and Syria.
…Under the deal, natural gas produced in Iran’s South Pars oil and gas field will be pumped through Iran, Iraq and Syria to Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea before reaching Europe, he said.

The construction of the 5,600 km pipeline is estimated to cost 5-6 billion dollars, he added.

http://www.payvand.com/news/11/jul/1069.html

Skipping Turkey?

July 8th, 2011, 12:32 am

 

Hama la rebelle, un dilemme pour le régime syrien « twittermomo said:

[…] les maillons faibles du régime, rapporte l’Américain Joshua Landis, sur son blog Syria Comment. Comme en témoigne un habitant de la ville, sur le blog Arflon net, le gouverneur aurait refusé, […]

July 11th, 2011, 4:26 am

 

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