News Round Up (Sept 12, 2012)

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Mounting calls in Israel for Western military intervention to topple the Assad regime are being sounded. Amos Yadlin, head of the country’s leading strategic affairs think tank, the National Institute for Security Studies, wrote an article in the Independent on Thursday urging a Western bombing campaign Libya style to stop the bloodshed. He also mentioned that toppling Assad would deal a blow to Iran. And now the Israeli foreign ministry spokesman is also going on record urging Western military intervention.

Foreign Policy

Turkey has shifted its policy on refugees, demanding they either enter camps or move deeper into the country away from the tense border region. According to the United Nations and Turkey, about 80,000 Syrian refugees are housed in camps along the Turkish border, and 40,000 others are living within Turkey’s cities. Turkish officials say the policy is meant to disperse the Syrians to separate them from possible antagonists. However, it will create added stress for Syrians injured in the conflict or those working from Turkey to aid the opposition. Turkey has criticized the United Nations, United States, and Europe for abandoning the country on the front line of Syria’s civil war. The United Nations’ Human Rights Council has convened in Geneva on Monday, where U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said both the Syrian government and opposition are responsible for human rights abuses. U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for all war criminals in Syria to be “brought to justice.”

Effort to Bring Iraq’s Vice President to Justice for War Crimes Provokes Deadly Wave of Attacks

Iraq’s Vice President Tareq al-Hashemi, tried in absentia while in Turkey, has been found guilty of orchestrating death squads. Hashemi has been charged with involvement in over 150 attacks on Iraqi officials and security forces between 2005 and 2011, and is accused of directly ordering several assassinations. US occupation forces had been protecting him, but the day after US troops left Iraq, a warrant was delivered for his arrest. Afterwards, he fled to Iraq’s northern autonomous Kurdish region. In Iraq, he was the most senior Sunni Muslim official and accused the government run by Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of “pushing for” increased sectarian strife. Sunni leaders have accused Maliki and the Shiite dominated government of attempting to sideline them from a power-sharing arrangement. The verdict coincided with a wave of over 20 attacks, mainly targeting Shiite neighborhoods across Iraq, during which an estimated 100 people were killed and more than 350 wounded, in one of the deadliest days since the U.S. departure.

Juan Cole has a good post on the difference between Syrian and Iraqi violence, but the question of how and when to prosecute Syrians for war crimes, will become an important issue in post-revolution Syria. Already the State Department is funding an important effort by Syrians to catalog the war crimes carried out by regime figures and members of the Syrian military.

Philip Giraldi’s article, copied below, is particularly important as it suggests that both Turkey and the US are growing increasingly concerned with al-Qaida penetration of the Syrian opposition militias. This is causing them to get cold feet about supporting the revolution with better weapons – something that the rebels need and are calling for.

The killing of four US diplomats in Libya is unlikely to make the US public enthusiastic about the Arab Spring in general and could have a negative effect on future aid.

Two New Wars for Us
By Philip Giraldi • September 6, 2012 – The New Conservative

Normally Washington bureaucracies shut down in August, but this year the intelligence community was working flat out to develop information on two crises in the Middle East. One official describes a deep sense of foreboding, recalling NSC Counter Terrorism Security Group chairman Richard Clarke’s description of walking around the West Wing in August 2001 with his “hair on fire.”

Syria is on the front-burner as a shooting war in which the U.S. is already clandestinely involved. The attempt to come up with a consensus National Intelligence Estimate on the crisis has been put on hold, both because the situation is too volatile and because new intelligence paints an increasingly dark picture of the insurgency. A number of atrocities against civilians previously attributed to the Assad government are now known to be the work of the rebels, who are becoming less reticent about their plans to eliminate all regime supporters, which would include most Alawites as well as many in the Christian community. U.S. intelligence has also come to the conclusion that rebel militias are heavily infiltrated and frequently commanded by jihadis linked to al-Qaeda. Attempts by CIA officers to discuss the issue with the rebels’ political representatives in Lebanon and Turkey have been blown off or deferred, suggesting that the movement’s leadership might be fully complicit. There is also increasing concern about a domino effect spreading unrest to Lebanon. Even the Turks are backing away from more direct involvement, worried that major refugee and Kurdish-based terrorism problems are developing…….

Video exclusive: Inside Syria’s rebel Farouk brigade

In an exclusive look inside Syria’s rebel military operations, French journalist Mani has been on the frontline with the elite Farouk brigade as they try to break President Assad’s stranglehold. [Good footage – Discussion of Salafism, sectarianism, and shows high-quality aerial photos supplied presumably by the CIA to the Farouk brigade.]

Samar Yazbek, Syrian journalist and author will speak at the National Press Club in DC on Monday, September 17, at 3:00 PM.

Keeping the Lid on Lebanon: Europe must not respond to Hezbollah’s newfound restraint by imposing sanctions. Excellent piece by Julian Barnes-Dacey on why Europe should resist US & Israeli pressure to place Hezbollah on its terrorism list.

POMED

Armed Opposition Groups Attempt Reform: Elements of the Free Syrian Army are being re-branded and reorganized as the Syrian National Army. The SNA currently includes a coalition of military councils, defected officers and brigades within Syria under the direction of Maj. Gen. Muhammed Hussein al-Haj Ali, but the head of the FSA has thus far rejected pressure to merge all forces with the SNA.

Dissent Among the Alawites: Syria’s Ruling Sect Does Not Speak with One Voice
Considered heretics by many mainstream Sunnis, the Alawites have long been perceived as a solid bloc of support for their co-religionists in the Assad dynasty. Not so now
By Steven Sotloff / Antakya, Turkey | September 10, 2012 – Time

….Sect members are increasingly breaking rank, as defections swell along with mounting uneasiness about the government’s crackdown against what started as a peaceful protest movement.

Captain Umar in Syria is a rebel fighter and an Alawite, and he considers Assad a “butcher.” The officer no longer believes the regime’s propaganda and says he abandoned his unit after the government began shelling civilian neighborhoods in his hometown. But Umar says it is Assad who is injecting the conflict with a sectarian hue. “Bashar is telling us the Sunnis will slaughter us,” he says via Skype from Syria. “He is scaring Alawis and pushing them to the edge. This is why the army is killing the people in the street. They are scared the Sunnis will massacre us.”

Umar says that it was the military’s daily shelling of civilian areas that pushed him to defect. “I just couldn’t see Syrians dying anymore.” He refuses to reveal how many Alawite officers have defected, but he does say the “number is significant.”

Others with ties to the security forces have also turned their back on the Alawite leadership. Luban Mrai’s father is a senior leader in the paramilitary organization known as the shabiha that targets civilians. She recently left the country after experiencing “serious moral and ethical dilemmas” stemming from the targeting of civilians. Today she resides in Istanbul, trying to mobilize support for the rebels. “The regime is using our religion for political ends,” she explains in a phone conversation. “Alawis are killing Syrians for no reason. This is wrong.

Leading Alawite intellectuals have abandoned the regime as well. Rasha Omran is one of Syria’s better-known poets and has been invited to read her poetry at literature festivals throughout Europe. Since the beginning of the uprising, she has lent her voice and pen to the cause. Omran announced her support of the revolution within days of its eruption on her Facebook page. She marched in protests and spoke out against Assad. “This is a dictatorial regime,” she said in a phone call from Egypt. “How can I support a government that kills its citizens?”

Omran sees herself as a Syrian rather than as an Alawite. She emphasizes that the country is composed of a number of minorities whose identity is shaped by the larger Syrian state. She believes Assad and his inner circle are destroying this delicate mosaic by stirring up ethnic hatreds. “We are all Syrians. But Assad is working to demolish our country.”

Omran wanted to support the revolution by remaining in Syria. But her vocal protests embarrassed a regime trying to project sectarian unity. Because she belongs to a respected Alawite family, the government risked an Alawite backlash if it arrested her. Instead, she says, intelligence agents pressured her to leave the country in a series of visits to her house. She finally left Syria at the beginning of the year.

This FAO WFP report on Syrian crops rotting in the fields and families who will starve in the villages deserves wider publicity. The Drought in US and Russia will restrict the amount of grain for sale on international markets. Sanctions are already making bank transactions in pursuit of grain purchaes by Syrian government fraught. (Thanks to Frank Domoney)

Zaman Interviews with Head of SNC and others are good. by Minhac Çelik in Zaman Gazetesi / Zaman Daily

Ankara in a prisoner’s dilemma over Syria by Mehmet Kalyoncu*

The Agony of Syria
By Max Rodenbeck
, September 27, 201, NYRB

Book Reviewed:

The Syrian Rebellion
by Fouad Ajami
Hoover Institution Press, 240 pp., $19.95

Syria: The Fall of the House of Assad
by David W. Lesch
Yale University Press, 262 pp., $28.00

A Woman in the Crossfire: Diaries of the Syrian Revolution
by Samar Yazbek, translated from the Arabic by Max Weiss
Haus, 269 pp., $18.95 (paper)

rodenbeck_1-092712.jpgLaurent Van der Stockt/Reportage by Getty ImagesResidents of Tall Rifat, a small town north of Aleppo, after a Syrian army helicopter launched rockets at a local school, July 12, 2012

Postcolonial governments have often seemed condemned to repeat the sins of the imperialists they replaced, a sad irony that has been especially pronounced in the Middle East. The British in 1920, for instance, pioneered the use of poison gas against civilians in order to subdue a tribal revolt in Iraq. The last known deployment of chemical weapons for mass murder was again in Iraq, in 1988, when Saddam Hussein gassed his fellow citizens during the notorious Anfal campaign against the Kurds.

Syria, too, has experienced sinister symmetries. Soon after France grabbed the territory as a share of its spoils from World War I, an insurrection among the proud Druze of the Houran region in the south quickly spread elsewhere. The colonial government countered this challenge with a mix of sweet propaganda and extreme violence. Depicting their foes as sectarian fanatics, the French posed as patrons of progress and as the noble guarantors of peace between Syria’s diverse sects. Yet they also worked hard to sharpen the schism they warned of. Arming and empowering favored groups, they brutalized others with summary executions, the burning of crops, and the razing of villages.

The counterinsurgency culminated with a brazen demonstration of destructive power that effectively terrorized Syria’s propertied class into submission. In October 1925 French artillery and aircraft bombarded Damascus for two days, leaving 1,500 dead and much of the Syrian capital in ruins; the large, incongruously grid-patterned section of the Old City known simply as al-Hariqa—The Fire—today serves as a memorial to that conflagration. In May 1945, French forces again shelled Damascus indiscriminately, killing more than six hundred people in what proved a vain attempt to reassert control following the end of World War II.

The regime built under the Assad clan, whose godfather, Hafez Assad, Syria’s then minister of defense, seized power in 1970 and held it for three decades until his son Bashar’s succession, has followed these unfortunate examples. Like France’s colonial governors the Assads have posed as defenders of a modern secular state. They have called their opponents sectarian extremists, even as their favoritism toward some parts of Syria’s complex ethnic and religious mosaic—particularly their own minority Alawite sect—and punishment of others, such as the 10 percent Kurdish minority, have enflamed communal resentment. The striking viciousness and scale of state repression, enforced by seventeen competing intelligence agencies whose upper ranks are dominated by Alawites, have been excused as a necessary bulwark against threats to national unity.

Just like the French, too, the Assads have made a practice of training heavy artillery on densely populated areas. In 1982, responding to a budding Sunni Muslim insurgency that included terror attacks against Alawite soldiers, an army brigade commanded by Hafez Assad’s brother sealed off Syria’s then fourth-largest city, Hama. The two-week barrage of mortar and rocket fire that followed killed tens of thousands, erasing Hama’s large and well-preserved historic center….

“The Silent Strike: How Israel Bombed a Syrian Nuclear Installation and Kept It Secret” , David Makovsky speaks with some two dozen Israeli and American officials who knew about the 2007 Israeli operation and explores what the strike could mean for an Israeli attack on Iran. – In the New Yorker

Comments (598)


jna said:

Last Chance for Peace in Syria?
http://www.thenation.com/article/169522/last-chance-peace-syria

[ … ]”It will be very difficult for the Brahimi mission to halt this drift toward greater violence. But given the stakes for the region, it is incumbent upon the United States to give the UN effort its full support. Much of the US media blamed Russian and Chinese intransigence for the collapse of the Annan mission. But as veteran Guardian reporter and Syrian observer Jonathan Steele has pointed out, it was US, Turkish and Saudi policy as much as Russian and Chinese vetoes that led to the collapse of the Annan plan. The US demand that Assad be removed and sanctions be imposed before negotiations could seriously begin, along with the refusal to include Iran in the process, doomed that mission. Any diplomatic approach that excludes Russia and Iran will be similarly condemned to failure.”

September 12th, 2012, 12:39 pm

 

zoo said:

Will Iran abandon Bashar Al Assad for renewed diplomatic and economical relation with Egypt?

Egypt trying to persuade Iran to drop Assad
By HAMZA HENDAWI | Associated Press – 18 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-trying-persuade-iran-drop-assad-215942294.html

Morsi offered a package of incentives for Tehran to end its support of Assad, the officials said.

Cairo would agree to restore full diplomatic ties, a significant diplomatic prize for Iran given that Egypt is the most populous Arab nation and a regional powerhouse. Morsi would also mediate to improve relations between Iran and conservative Gulf Arab nations that have long viewed Shiite Iran with suspicion and whose fears of the Persian nation have deepened because of Iran’s disputed nuclear program.

Also, Morsi offered a “safe exit” for Assad, his family and members of his inner circle.

September 12th, 2012, 12:57 pm

 

habib said:

Let’s hope these latest news till teach the West a lesson.

http://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Independent-1993-bin-Laden.jpg

And in other (long predicted) news, the “rebels” are fighting themselves:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/world/middleeast/killing-of-rebel-with-qaeda-links-opens-debate-on-syrian-opposition.html?_r=3&ref=middleeast

2. zoo

Tsk, what can broke Egypt offer Iran?

September 12th, 2012, 12:57 pm

 

zoo said:

The murder of the US ambassador in Libya, the first violent death of a US ambassador since 1979 has sent a shock wave in the USA, despite the multiple declarations trying to appease and diffuse the tension.

This accident is a demonstration of the inability of the ‘islamic’ regimes that took over many Arab countries to quell Islamists calling for a stricter application of the Sharia, for fear of loosing the legitimacy and derail from their promises.
The “Friends of Syria” meeting soon in Morocco may now have second thoughts of replacing the authoritarian, yet secular regime of Bashar al Assad by another islamic-islamist government.

Egypt’s Salafists divided over Mursi, call for Islamic Sharia law

12/09/2012
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31037
By Mohamed Abdu Hassanein

Cairo, Asharq Al-Awsat – More than a year after entering the political sphere, participating in Egyptian elections, a large number of Salafists have announced their opposition to the positions taken by their political leadership. Egypt’s Salafists have begun to complain about the direction being taken by the al-Nour party leadership and its perceived lack of commitment to the Islamist ideology, as well as its failure to promote Islam and Salafist jurisprudential views in a clear and explicit manner. Egypt’s Salafists have also criticizing Islamist President Mohamed Mursi, as well as the al-Nour party’s leadership failure to take him to task.

September 12th, 2012, 1:06 pm

 

ann said:

This is what you get for arming and protecting islamist terrorists with no fly zones!

US ambassador, 3 other Americans killed in attack on consulate in Libya

http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/a8a55fc350b045ed948d3141137a4df1/Prophet-Film

September 12th, 2012, 1:18 pm

 

zoo said:

Don’t count on Turkey for a military intervention.

Majority of Turks against country’s intervention into Syria
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/majority-of-turks-against-countrys-intervention-into-syria.aspx?pageID=238&nID=29946&NewsCatID=341
ISTANBUL – Hürriyet Daily News

A clear majority of Turks are against a military intervention to put a halt to the violence in Syria, according to a recent poll by the German Marshall Fund.

Some 57 percent of Turkish respondents in the Transatlantic Trends survey categorically rejected a Turkish invasion after being asked: “Recently, there has been discussion of the desirability of intervening in Syria, where the government has been using military force to suppress an opposition movement which is fighting the Syrian government. In this situation, what do you think [Turkey] should do?”

The number of respondents opposed to a Turkish intervention would jump to 63 percent if Russia and China used their position as permanent members of the U.N. Security Council to veto an intervention.

September 12th, 2012, 1:22 pm

 

Tara said:

The pervasive presence of dictatorial regimes that rule with brutal oppression in the ME is what drive people to fanaticism. The way to get rid of Islamic jihadist ideology is to eliminate and rid the ME from its dictators. The west needs to assist toppling al Assad in order to forge a new course for the ME where people do not feel driven by hopelessness, lack of freedom and lack of economical opportunity into a Jihadi ideology.

One should treat the cause, not the manifestation of the disease.

September 12th, 2012, 1:26 pm

 

ann said:

Our ambassador and three other American staffers are killed. Our consulate is burned to the ground, and how does the president respond?!

Obama vows continued cooperation with Libya following attack …

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/obama-vows-continued-cooperation-with-libya-following-attack-romney-american-leadership-sorely-needed-1.464579

September 12th, 2012, 1:27 pm

 

zoo said:

“NATO should continue its excellent work it did in Libya”

Attack may have been Al Qaeda revenge plot, London think tank says.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/12/u-s-ambassador-to-libya-3-others-killed-in-rocket-attack-witness-says/

[Updated at 12:51 p.m. ET] A London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack.

The assault “came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda’s second in command killed a few months ago,” the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday. It was “the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault,” the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.

The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location. The second wave was directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said, citing unnamed sources on the ground in Benghazi and abroad.

“These are acts committed by uncontrollable jihadist groups. We hope Libya will seize this opportunity to revive its policy of Disarmament, Demobilisation and Re-integration (DDR) in order to facilitate an end to the spread of such attacks, with the help of the International Community,” Noman Benotman, President of Quilliam, said in a press release.
“We hope that the International Community, including NATO member states and especially the U.S., will continue their excellent work in Libya which began with the overthrow of the dictator Gadhafi after 42 years in power.”

September 12th, 2012, 1:29 pm

 
 

ann said:

5. zoo said:

Don’t count on Turkey for a military intervention.

`turkey is already intervening militarly in Syria Zoo

September 12th, 2012, 1:32 pm

 

zoo said:

Krauthammer To Muslim Protestors In Egypt: “Go To Hell”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/11/krauthammer_to_muslim_protestors_in_egypt_go_to_hell.html

Charles Krauthammer: “That statement is an embarrassment. That is a hostage statement. That’s a mob of al-Qaeda sympathizers in Egypt, forcing the United States make a statement essentially of apology, on 9/11 of all days, for something we’re not responsible. I would issue a statement saying to the mob, ‘go to hell.’

September 12th, 2012, 1:34 pm

 

ghufran said:

Any alliance with violent and millitant groups will only produce short term gains at best,this has been the case for decades but some people are too stubborn to learn. Another lesson, is that freedom and democracy are empty slogans if they do not improve people’s lives, I will join others in congratulating the new governments in the Arab spring countries as soon as I see evidence that their ascension to power was good for their citizens. In Syria, and other Muslim countries, violent regime changes can only lead to more violence,it is a monster that you can not control after you release,aremed thugs in Syria, regardless of their background and allegiances, are now the biggest threat to Syria’s future as a country, The FSA will soon have two enemies: the army and the islamist thugs unless the FSA leadership decides to fight under the banner of those terrorists,then they will have most Syrians as their new enemy.

September 12th, 2012, 1:34 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Filthy Muslim militants murdered the US Ambassador to Libya-
Who else! I am not surprised!

That’s how they thank the United States. Those murderers and blood thirsty (Muslim Brotherhoods, Salafis, Wahhabis and other Muslim Extremists groups MFs in the ME) will do it again in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen and later on for sure in SYRIA. Just a matter of time! They can’t be trusted- Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing!

September 12th, 2012, 1:37 pm

 

Mina said:

#8 Starting with the House of Saud? You have a plan?

September 12th, 2012, 1:45 pm

 

zoo said:

#10 Ann

Yes, it is, but under cover and without the public knowledge of the Turks.

They will never invade Syria militarily to create the buffer zone they have been begging for at the UNSC that would relieve them from the continuous flow of refugees on the borders. In fact tehy have closed all borders to Syria except one.
By moving the “refugees” away from the borders, supposedly for security reason, they are actually preventing the rebels from crisscrossing the borders, perpetrate attacks in Syria and return to the safety of the camps. Maybe that’s their way to distance themselves gradually from the FSA.

In any case , they’ll have to live with the consequences of their irresponsible foreign policy toward Syria that lead them to a dead end.

September 12th, 2012, 1:46 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

59. Tara

I didn’t want to comment further on this issue, as not to bring further attention to it, however, I hesitantly (and probably unwisely) want to respond to your fair suggestion of the possibility of an innocent person getting caught up in the situation.

Firstly, It would be very unlikely and dangerously stupid for Michael Weiss to reveal/spread the identity of someone if he wasn’t sure of it. He, as a journalist/researcher and media figure, would have so much to lose if he contributed to dragging an innocent person potentially in harms way.

It seems that the twitter users had been working on this plan for a while. Apparently there was a mutual friend involved.

To me it seems they got it right. The background, location etc seems to fit. Anyway they are certain of it.

God Almighty Knows best.

Just wanted to clarify.

September 12th, 2012, 1:58 pm

 

Visitor said:

Charles Krauthammer can go to hell along with his so-called sacred principles.

The sancrity of the Prophet supersedes his so-called principles.

Clean your house of idiots before lecturing others.

September 12th, 2012, 2:13 pm

 

Visitor said:

Jones and nine Coptic fanatics are on the wanted list in Egypt,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/12/237628.html

Good job Egypt.

September 12th, 2012, 2:23 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Very saddened at what happened to the Ambassador and his staff in Libya.

Ambassador Ford is fortunate not to be in Syria. Imagine what the Shabiha could do to him?

(Nod to Amjad of Arabia’s tweet)

September 12th, 2012, 2:24 pm

 

Tara said:

Habib

Fanaticism is a manifestation of a disease. You treat the root cause of the disease then the symptoms take a while to resolve. Treat oppression and corruption that lead to economical depravity and people will be having pool parties rather than blowing themselves up driven by hopelessness and a dream of a better afterlife.

Uzair,

Agree it is unlikely to be someone else but unless he has provided material support, he is entitled to any opinion he wants to have. One thing I disagree with you. I did not see talent, charm, or intelligence.

September 12th, 2012, 2:27 pm

 

zoo said:

21. Tara

Don’t you forget to mention the uncontrolled religious education that brainwashes the youth and spread fanaticism and intolerance more than anything else?

September 12th, 2012, 2:32 pm

 

Tara said:

Uzair8 @ 19

I am very saddened too at what happened to him and the same thought occurred to me about Ambassador Ford. I am glad that the State Department pulled him out.

September 12th, 2012, 2:33 pm

 

zoo said:

The Salafi Moment

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/12/the_salafi_moment

As the death of a U.S. ambassador in Libya demonstrates, the ultraconservative Salafi movement is pushing to the forefront in the politics of the Middle East. The West should be careful how it reacts.
BY CHRISTIAN CARYL | SEPTEMBER 12, 2012
….
Both attacks are utterly outrageous. But perhaps the United States shouldn’t have been caught completely off guard. The rioters in both cases come from the region’s burgeoning Salafi movement, and the Salafis have been in the headlines a lot lately. In Libya, over the past few months, they’ve been challenging the recently elected government by demolishing ancient Sufi shrines, which they deem to be insufficiently Islamic. In Tunisia, they’ve been attacking businesses that sell alcohol and instigating nasty social media campaigns about the country’s female competitors in the Olympics.
In Syria’s civil war, there are increasing reports that the opposition’s wealthy Gulf financiers have been channeling cash to Salafi groups, whose strict interpretation of Islam is considered close to the puritanical Wahhabism of the Saudis and others. Lately Salafi groups have been gaining fresh prominence in parts of the Islamic world — from Mali to Lebanon, from Kashmir to Russia’s North Caucasus.
….

September 12th, 2012, 2:38 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

I agree. Religious education sponsored by Takfiris in Saudia Arabi should be targeted and banned. The whole Takfiri ideology should be prosecuted by law.

September 12th, 2012, 2:41 pm

 

habib said:

19. Uzair8

Eh, have you not been paying attention? The murderers were NATO rebels with NATO weapons! You can count on the Salafist apologists to twist everything around and lie through their teeth at any occasion. One Libyan minister even blamed the murders on Gadaffi supporters! In Benghazi!!!

20. Tara

Yet again, Libya is “free”, when will they stop being fanatics? Not in a million years. Pakistan is not occupied, yet spawns more fanatics than anywhere else.

September 12th, 2012, 2:48 pm

 

Tara said:

More and more manifestations of weakening Syrian grip on Lebanese politics.

Syrian hostages freed in Lebanon
The Lebanese army freed four Syrians kidnapped by the Meqdad clan during a raid on Beirut’s southern suburbs earlier today, the Lebanon Daily Star reports.

In a statement, the army said it “freed four kidnapped Syrians after raiding a location in Hay al-Sellum following surveillance and follow-ups.”

The army unit and Directorate of Intelligence arrested two people “without any resistance” in the same area. The two are suspected of involvement in the kidnappings.

Soldiers also raided the neighbourhood of Haret Hreik and detained several people suspected of involvement in the kidnappings. The detainees are being interrogated.

The Meqdad clan spokesperson, Maher, said that the Army raided four neighborhoods in total that are home to members of the clan’s so-called “military wing”.

“The Syrians were freed but I was told that [Aydin Tufan] Tekin was shot either in the chest or shoulder during the raid. We do not know who fired the shots but I’m sure it is not the army,” Maher told The Daily Star.

The fate of the Turkish businessman abducted by the same clan is still unknown.

September 12th, 2012, 2:54 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

Our ambassador and three other American staffers are killed. Our consulate is burned to the ground, and how does the president respond?!

Obama vows continued cooperation with Libya following attack …
__________________________________________________________________

What else he can say!! We scr***ed America? We were wrong? Or something as this in his next State of the Union speech:

In Syria, we thought for decades that a Baathist Mafia dictatorship helped Israel security, and we supported it all the way to Vogue and B. Walter’s. When we failed to convince Assad to part with Saddam cash and dump HA/Iran, and when Israelis made a historic decision to expand its genocidal mayhem to Syria, as they did Iraq and Lebanon before, we obeyed and followed through to maintain Greater Israel Zionist dream. We discovered that by supporting well known Islamic Terrorist groups, some are graduate of our famed Guantanamo Islamic Terrorist University in Cuba, we are assured of a victory for Israel, as they will assuredly bring all of the land to rubbles, and all the streets drenched and colored blood red, just the way he chose one Jews like to see the areas of their perceived goyyeem enemies looks like. But in Syria, we erred on the side of caution. We made a historic policy decision (well as you know, it was not me who did) to remove the Baathist dictatorship from Syria and replace it with well known Islamic genocidal terrorists rather than the unknown and perceived fascist nationalist group that Zionists adamantly opposed to. I am sorry to report to you know, that are faced with something far worse than my predecessor faced with Al-Qaida threat, we must go to war and invade these countries, but we are now flat broke, Israeli to coward and dumb, so we are now in a real sh****t hole my fellow Americans. We must work together to confront this menacing threat, we must enslave every American and place him in security jeopardy fighting these Islamic terrorists, we cannot afford to lose. I promise you, we will never listen to outdate strategies of ZBIG70 and ZIO48 anymore.”

Islamists Drag Dead Body Of US Ambassdor Through The Streets Of Benghazi (Updated)…Another Photo!

Link to photo:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/09/islamists-drag-dead-body-of-us-ambassdor-through-the-streets-of-benghazi-updated-another-photo-2465886.html

September 12th, 2012, 3:08 pm

 

habib said:

26. Tara

Uh, Meqdad are not Syrians. They reacted because one of their family members were kidnapped by Salafist gangs in Syria.

Even Hezbollah was critical of the Meqdads.

September 12th, 2012, 3:10 pm

 

ghufran said:

اتهمت الفنانة السورية المعارضة مي اسكاف ميليشيات الجيش الحر بخطف أطباء بالجملة في محافظة درعا، وطالبت قائد الجيش العقيد رياض الأسعد بالتدخل لحمايتهم وإطلاق سراحهم.
وحسب اسكاف فقد قامت مجموعة من الجيش الحر بخطف عدد من الأطباء من أمام مبنى نقابتهم في درعا وأنه عرف من الأطباء المخطوفين الدكتور عبد الغفار كيوان وعادل الحصان الفلسطيني الجنسيه.
وحسب المعلومات الوارده من مدينه درعا طلب الخاطفون مبلغ 5 مليون ليره سوري عن كل طبيب عدا عن ماصادروه من سياراتهم وما يحملوه .
وأكدت اسكاف أنه: يوجد لدى الجيش الحر في درعا اكثر من طبيب مختطف وأن أعداد الأطباء المخطوفين وصل إلى 9 اطباء. وذكرت أنه بالأمس أفرج عن طبيب واحد منهم.
وخاطبت اسكاف العقيد رياض أسعد قائلة: نطلب تدخل العقيد رياض الاسعد لدى الكتائب العامله باسم الجيش الحر بأمرته في مدينه درعا والتي تخطف الاطباء الابرياء وخاصه الذين خطفوا بالامس ظهرا

September 12th, 2012, 3:25 pm

 

Citizen said:

How the U.S. turns its soldiers from Iraq and writes them in Libya? nonsons!

Marines headed to Libya to reinforce security

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/19523339/marines-headed-to-libya-to-reinforce-security

September 12th, 2012, 3:38 pm

 

Citizen said:

Israel Lobby Pushes for US Action Against the Syrian Government (to weaken Iran)
http://america-hijacked.com/2012/02/12/israel-lobby-pushes-for-us-action-against-the-syrian-government/

September 12th, 2012, 3:42 pm

 

Tara said:

It is a sad day for humanity today.  Once again, a murder is occurring in the name of God.  There is absolutely no excuse for such an abhorrent violent act.  The man helped liberating Libya from Quaddafi’s brutal rule and that was his fate?  All responsible parties should be hunted down and prosecuted.  This mentality of reacting violently to insulting prophet Muhammad, Islam, or Allah should be talked about and condemned.   Muslim organizations should learn lessons from how the jews deal with anti-semitism in dealing with such movies and condemn in no equivocal terms resorting to such horrific acts.  This is very much against the real spirit of Islam.  My condolences to the family and friends of the Ambassador and his colleagues.            

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chris-stevens-us-libya-ambassador-killed-142949456.html?_esi=1

Initial reports said the slain embassy staffers—who also include foreign service information management officer Sean Smith—were trying to flee the consulate building when they were fired upon by protesters apparently angry over a film they say insults Prophet Muhammad.
However, U.S. officials told The New York Times and CNN on Wednesday that the attack may have been planned by a group that “had either been waiting for an opportunity to exploit like the protests over the video or perhaps even generated the protests as a cover for their attack.”

“Throughout the Libyan revolution, [Stevens] selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi,” Obama said. “As ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya’s transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.”
….
Here’s Stevens’ bio from the U.S. Embassy website:

Ambassador Chris Stevens considers himself fortunate to participate in this incredible period of change and hope for Libya. As the President’s representative, his job is to develop a strong, mutually beneficial relationship between the United States and Libya. Ambassador Stevens was the American representative to the Transitional National Council in Benghazi during the revolution.
When he’s not meeting with government officials or foreign diplomats, you can find Ambassador Stevens meeting with Libyan academics, business people, and civil society activists, exploring Libya’s rich archaeological sites, and enjoying Libya’s varied cuisine.
After several diplomatic assignments in the Middle East and North Africa, Ambassador Stevens understands and speaks Arabic and French. He likes the Facebook page of the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli and hopes you will, too.
“I had the honor to serve as the U.S. envoy to the Libyan opposition during the revolution,” Stevens said in May in a video introducing himself to the Libyan people as the new U.S. ambassador there. “And I was thrilled to watch the Libyan people stand up and demand their rights.

“Growing up in California I didn’t know much about the Arab world,” Stevens continued. “I traveled to North Africa as a Peace Corps volunteer, worked as an English teacher in a town in the high Atlas mountains in Morocco for two years and quickly grew to love this part of the world.
“We know Libya is still recovering from an intense period of conflict,” he added. “There are many courageous Libyans who wear the scars of that battle.”

September 12th, 2012, 3:45 pm

 

ann said:

I’m looking for this video with English or French subtitles

September 12th, 2012, 3:52 pm

 

Citizen said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrerl8EwqH0
Reality Check: One on One with President Obama, Why Is The U.S. Supporting Al Qaeda In Syria?

September 12th, 2012, 3:53 pm

 

zoo said:

US-Arab relations will be defined by reaction to attack

Paul Salem
Sep 13, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/us-arab-relations-will-be-defined-by-reaction-to-attack

The killing of the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stephens, and three other embassy staff, will send shock waves through US-Arab relations. It is likely to have effects far beyond the specific Libyan context and place pressure on the Obama administration in the middle of its re-election campaign.
…Regardless, Libya – like other Arab countries grappling with instability – has seen radicalised Salafi and jihadi elements gain traction. They had a strong showing in recent elections, and some have managed to form militias capable of posing a threat to domestic foes or, in this case, a foreign embassy
…..
Governments both in the Arab world and the United States need to work quickly to prevent this crisis from escalating. Eleven years ago, Osama bin Laden succeeded in setting the course of western-Muslim relations since. Let us hope that the militants of Benghazi – who represent only a minority of Libyans – do not end up dictating the course of western-Muslim relations for years to come.

September 12th, 2012, 3:55 pm

 

habib said:

32. Tara

You reap what you sow. As simple as that.

http://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Independent-1993-bin-Laden.jpg

Let’s hope the West has learned its lesson. The enemy is not secular strongmen, but Salafist Gulf kingdoms and their dogs.

September 12th, 2012, 3:57 pm

 

zoo said:

#33 Ann

It is amazing to see such denunciation of the foreign fighters in Aleppo from a staunch anti-Bashar Tv channel France24.
It seems there is growing doubt in the western media about the ‘purity’ and ‘good intentions’ of the rebels.

September 12th, 2012, 4:01 pm

 

Tara said:

Habib

Exactly! You reap what you sow.

What you see is a direct consequence of strongmen dictatorial regimes in the ME. They need all to be executed to free the bodies and minds of the ME people and prevent all this from happening. Free and democratic ME is what will prevent breeding fanatic ideology.

September 12th, 2012, 4:06 pm

 

ann said:

35. habib said:

You reap what you sow. As simple as that.

Amen to that.

September 12th, 2012, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

#36 Habib

After a moment of euphoria about the success of the Arab Spring now in the hands of Islamic regime, the West is waking up to the bitter reality.
Unless they intervene forcefully to refrain these regimes from cajoling and protecting the Islamist extremists, the whole of North Africa including Egypt will become a safe haven for them.
For long these same islamists have been qualified as bogey men used by dictators to justify crushing and watching underground religious movements. Now the dictators are gone and the boogey men have surfaced.

September 12th, 2012, 4:10 pm

 

habib said:

37. Tara

You got it the wrong way around. This is what happens when the strongmen are REMOVED!

Common sense, please.

39. zoo

The best thing is, we knew it would happen all along. Nobody listened. Worse will happen to the West if Bashar is toppled, mark my words.

September 12th, 2012, 4:16 pm

 

jna said:

Re: 16. Uzair8 said: … … …

My comment: Unfortunately, Syria Comment (and not Uzair8) MAY be implicated in this incident. Not wishing to further expose the subject, I’ve sent an email to SC Moderation about the matter.

September 12th, 2012, 4:17 pm

 

Citizen said:

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106062998
NATO’s Weapon Cache for Terrorists Seized in Syria
TEHRAN (FNA)- The weapons and military equipment recently discovered and seized by the Syrian Army in Idlib province proves NATO’s arms and logistic support for terrorists in Syria.

September 12th, 2012, 4:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Killing brilliant mind is a crime against humanity.  Tamer, a Druze, was a proof that the Syrian revolution is not rooted on a sectarian agenda, but ratherثورة شعب   

https://www.facebook.com/TamerAlwam

September 12th, 2012, 4:38 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

41. JNA

I’m glad you have sent the email. I was hoping someone would do so.

I shared the unexpected news in excitement. He is a prominent figure in the propaganda field. On a personal level I exchanged with him for a time elsewhere and he was ok. Didn’t know it was him at the time (different name). So there wasn’t the slightest wish in me to see him harmed.

Anyway. I’d be happy and more confortable if this comment and other related ones were deleted.

Without the moderator to remind us or keep us in check we can fail to use our best judgement when posting.

My last comment on this.

September 12th, 2012, 4:43 pm

 

aron said:

“Captain Umar in Syria is a rebel fighter and an Alawite…”

OK, not to rain on anyone’s parade, but what’s even rarer than an Alawite army officer defecting to the FSA is an Alawite named Omar…

September 12th, 2012, 4:49 pm

 

ann said:

I’m seriously thinking the forces of evil and hate failed remedial math 😀

September 12th, 2012, 4:50 pm

 

habib said:

45. aron

Lol. Maybe he converted and changed his name when he defected… But hey, I know Osman is used as a family name for some Alawites.

September 12th, 2012, 4:52 pm

 

Citizen said:

Clinton and Obama’s shock over Libya violence ‘naive’
http://rt.com/news/us-ambassador-libya-killed-983/

September 12th, 2012, 5:03 pm

 

Syrian said:

46
AWW you missed us ?!
The funny thing , I was thinking the same thing about you when you did not show up the last time it was introduced

September 12th, 2012, 5:15 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Syrian

No need to worry . Ann was shopping for a calculator when she did not show up the first time.

September 12th, 2012, 5:22 pm

 

Citizen said:

Syria’s rebel fighters vow no mercy for their own pro-regime family members
Free Syrian Army fighters told the Monitor that bringing down President Assad trumps family ties, and that they are willing to fight, or even kill, brothers and cousins fighting for the regime.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0911/Syria-s-rebel-fighters-vow-no-mercy-for-their-own-pro-regime-family-members?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fworld+%28Christian+Science+Monitor+|+World%29

September 12th, 2012, 5:24 pm

 

Citizen said:

Foreign, American, NATO and Arab, military intervention in Syria was not possible due to
the Syrian/Iranian military defense pact and to the Russian and Chinese veto in the UN. The
anti-Syrian alliance was left with only one option; military and financial support to the foreign
militia, mercenaries, and Al-Qaeda terrorist groups operating in Syria to weaken and to destroy
the country. They do that openly, shamelessly, and in violation of all international laws.

The American administration and NATO give themselves the right to invade, occupy, and
destroy other countries across the globe under the justification of fighting Al-Qaeda terror
groups, they themselves had originally created, while deny the same right to Syrian regime, who
is fighting terrorists within its own country.

The Terrorist War Against Syria
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/the-terrorist-war-against-syria/

September 12th, 2012, 5:28 pm

 

VISITOR said:

The Free Syrian Army consolidates its gains in Aleppo and the surrounding regions, while FSA fighting units form unfied commands throughout Syria. The criminal regime, however, continues doing what it can do best i.e. killing the people,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/885aced8-3c5c-4aca-b7eb-2a2ca28a36cb?GoogleStatID=1

We thank God once again for the FSA.

September 12th, 2012, 5:39 pm

 

Humanist said:

Habib,

Why do you think the name Osman/Othman is odd for shia muslims? As far as I know the only “taboo” name for the shia is Umar (except Yazeed of course, but I never heard it been used by sunni muslims either).

I don’t think religious Sunni and Shia names differ much otherwise. Altought shiites more often have the names of imams like Reza/Riza (Ridha) which is very common in Iran and Azerbaijan as well as among the alevis in Turkey.

Maybe arab alawites have a slightly different name tradition than other shia twelvers (?)

September 12th, 2012, 6:06 pm

 

zoo said:

New technocrat PM in Libya

The new Libyan PM. Mustafa Abu-Shakour, comes from the National Front Party, an offshoot of a longstanding anti-Gadhafi movement that includes both Islamist and secular figures.

Abu Shagour, a respected optical engineer, carved out a career as an academic in the United States before returning to Libya last year where he was an adviser to the now dissolved National Transitional Council.

Abu-Shakour, deputy to Libya’s outgoing interim prime minister, is considered a compromise figure acceptable to both Islamists and liberals.

He replaces Mahmoud Jibril, a secular former prime minister

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Libyan+parliament+elects+centrist+head+government/7232395/story.html#ixzz26IQDzsW4

September 12th, 2012, 6:19 pm

 

Tara said:

Angelina Jolie in Jordan

Actress Angelina Jolie has arrived at the Zaatari camp in Jordan, which hosts about 27,000 Syrians displaced by the conflict.

Jolie, a UN “goodwill ambassador”, met Syrian refugee women separately and toured the sprawling tent city, AP reports.

September 12th, 2012, 6:25 pm

 

zoo said:

Is Morsi’s image stained for the USA?
Moments of Truth in Libya and Egypt

Posted By Marc Lynch Wednesday, September 12, 2012 – 3:44 PM
http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/09/12/moments_of_truth_in_libya_and_egypt#.UFCxt5sUIM8.twitter

….
In Egypt, on the other hand, President Mohamed Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood has been notably invisible. To this point, we have heard no statements from Egyptian government officials condemning the assault on the embassy, no expressions of concern or sympathy, no suggestion of any fault on their own side.
The Muslim Brotherhood had previously been planning rallies against the notorious film, and at the time of this writing has not canceled them. Even when they finally issued a statement condemning the violence in Libya, they were not forthcoming on Cairo.
They seem far more concerned at the moment with their domestic political interest in protecting their right flank against Salafi outbidding than with behaving like the governing party of a state.

Morsi and the Brotherhood do not seem to understand, or perhaps they simply do not care, how important their public stance is today in defining their image.
The United States has taken real risks by engaging with the Brotherhood, pushing for democratic change despite their likely victory in fair elections, and insisting that the Egyptian military allow the completion of the transition after Morsi’s victory.
That was necessary to have any hope of genuine democratic change in Egypt, and the right position to take. But I suspect that many in Washington will feel that they have been repaid with Morsi’s silence after the breach of the embassy wall which could well have resulted in the same kind of tragedy as in Benghazi.

And that will have enduring effects on the nature and extent of American support for Egypt’s transition — how much harder is it going to be to get debt relief through congress now? It is quite telling that Obama said nothing about Egypt in his remarks about the deaths in Benghazi.

September 12th, 2012, 6:37 pm

 

ann said:

alahu akbar common thieve brigades!

Syria’s Looted Past: How Ancient Artifacts Are Being Traded for Guns

The ongoing war in Syria, a land brimming with history, has led to a dangerous, tragic surge in the looting and smuggling of Syrian antiquities

http://world.time.com/2012/09/12/syrias-looted-past-how-ancient-artifacts-are-being-traded-for-guns/

Abu Khaled knows the worth of things. As a small-time smuggler living along the porous border between Syria and Lebanon, he has dabbled in antiquities as much as the cigarettes, stolen goods and weapons that make up the bulk of his trade. So when a smuggler from Syria brought him a small, alabaster statue of a seated man a few weeks ago, he figured that the carving, most likely looted from one of Syria’s two dozen heritage museums or one of its hundreds of archaeological sites, could be worth a couple thousand dollars in Lebanon’s antiquities black market. So he called his contacts in Beirut. But instead of asking for cash, he asked for something even more valuable: weapons.

“War is good for us,” he says of the community of smugglers that regularly transit the nearby border. “We buy antiquities cheap, and then sell weapons expensively.” That business, he says, is about to get better. Fighters allied with the Free Syrian Army units battling the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad have told him that they are developing an association of diggers dedicated to finding antiquities in order to fund the revolution. “The rebels need weapons, and antiquities are an easy way to buy them,” says Abu Khaled, who goes by his nickname in order to protect his identity.

Criminal activity thrives in chaos, and the theft of antiquities for a rapacious international black market is no exception. Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan have all fallen victim to looters during previous wars, and Libya and Egypt, rich in archaeological sites, witnessed several attempts at looting during their more recent uprisings. In the case of Syria, however, the full-blown civil war may do more harm than simply the plundering of its culture. The burgeoning market for this ancient land’s priceless treasures could actually prolong and intensify the conflict, providing a ready supply of goods to be traded for weapons. Furthermore, the ongoing devastation inflicted on the country’s stunning archaeological sites—bullet holes lodged in walls of its ancient Roman cities, the debris of Byzantine churches, early mosques and crusader fortresses—rob Syria of its best chance for a post-conflict economic boom based on tourism, which, until the conflict started 18 months ago, contributed 12% to the national income.

[…]

http://world.time.com/2012/09/12/syrias-looted-past-how-ancient-artifacts-are-being-traded-for-guns/

September 12th, 2012, 6:57 pm

 

Ghufran said:

محمد موصللي سيرجية عسكري إنشق عن الجيش العربي السوري، وأراد الإنضمام إلى ميليشيا الجيش الحر، لكن الأخيرة كان لها رأي آخر، إذ قامت بإختطاف سيرجية، وعملت على إبتزاز أهله مطالبة إياهم بدفع فدية مقدارها 500 ألف ليرة مقابل إطلاق سراحه.
جدير بالذكر ان عائلة العسكري المنشق، والمختطف على يد المجموعات المسلحة نزحت من مقر إقامتها في مدينة حلب بسبب المعارك الدائرة هناك.
وتشير المعلومات إلى أن محمد سيرجية مختطف لدى “كتيبة الشهيد النقيب مصطفى عبد الرزاق” التي تتخذ من منطقة الأتارب مقرا لها.

September 12th, 2012, 7:03 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

American Sam Bacile full movie MOHAMMAD in H.D. quality. As you look at the streets and people, you will have hard time differentiate between the movie scenes and people and those you saw for nearly 2 years in Syria. And this is just the start. Wait until they join the Iranian Zionists for control of the Middle East. Someone really hates America so much that found none other than Islamist Extremists to support financially and militarily. Who is it? Who’s idea was it to provide this support?

Link to full version:

September 12th, 2012, 7:15 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

Hilarious movie, it is rather funny, should be in the comedy category. I tried to watch it, but I was very offended by it, very insulting to Islam and Mohammad (PBUH) Indeed. I stopped watching it when the tent scene and Bedouin flesh eater munching on raw camel leg. As a vegetarian that was far more than I can handle. But really was laughing out loud and fell literally off my chair back, almost crushing my back when the scene showed the inside of a tent with Louis something baroque chairs shown inside. Did the American producer of this film known, did any research, apparently not, he should have known that not far in the time of Mohammad (PBUH) but just 90 years ago, they did not have one single chair of any kind in all of Arabia. They sat on flat mats and used pillows for back support just like Gypsies and Jews did. If you to search for Archeological artifacts in all of Palestine (occupied by Zionist Khazzars) and all of Arabia (occupied by devil worshipping ANZA tribesman and Wahabi Jews) you will never ever find a single chair artifact or furniture of any kind whatsoever. In fact, not even clay pots are found in Arabia ever that is more than 90 years old. Before that they used Camel stomach as drinking jugs, eat by hands, and used dried shaped skin hide to load the meet and rice they eat once a day.

So I am rather very critical of this American produced film that is so offensive to Moslems and the Islamic traditions, as well as to civilized and cultured people, like us Syrians, with great appreciation to art, history, Archeology, Anthropology and culture.

September 12th, 2012, 7:49 pm

 

Syrian said:

51 Tara
That figures ,but to tell you the truth,I feel of all the regime supporters Ann is the most likely to turn away from the dark side, she has some goodness in her heart that I felt,Zoo is so convinced of his ideas, Guffran now is set in his ways ,and Irene is like you know like so retatrted
On other side Ann looks like she a has a quotas of post she has to fill,It is obvious she doesn’t reads them or watch the videos
I know way down deep in her heart she is a good person and with time she will realize the errors of her ways

September 12th, 2012, 7:50 pm

 

ann said:

Clinton and Obama’s shock over Libya violence ‘naive’ – 12 September, 2012

http://rt.com/news/us-ambassador-libya-killed-983/

“It’s especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it’s a city he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi…he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya,” Obama said in a statement.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also firmly denounced the attack: “How could this happen? How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

But some believe the US shouldn’t be so surprised by the violence.

It’s naïve to for the US to believe it can have normal diplomatic relations in Libya, which is unstable because of the 2011 NATO-led intervention, Patrick Henningsen, geopolitical analyst for current affairs website UK Column Patrick said in an interview with RT.

Libya is divided because of NATO. The chaos of the intervention has given rise to warlords, militias, and raided weapon stocks that were formerly secured by the Gaddafi government, he said.

Henningsen argues that the violent assault on the US consulate is simply blowback against Washington and London’s aggressive foreign policy.

RT: These attacks happened in countries where Washington was directly involved in regime change. What does that say about the effect the revolts have had on the US?

Patrick Henningsen: This is a very interesting development and what you can deduce from this is that Washington and America are still living in their own Western bubble where they believe they don’t have any chain of responsibility for the events that have happened to transform countries like Libya, and Egypt to a lesser degree. There was a military intervention that killed thousands and thousands of civilians. So this event could easily be more than just an Islamic anti-American protest. It could have something to do with Gaddafi loyalists that are still being rounded up, arrested, and extradited – particularly the recent extradition of Abdullah al-Senussi, a deal which the US brokered for Libya.

RT: Are the new governments of Libya and Egypt too ill-prepared to protect diplomatic premises, or were these events just too unpredictable?

PH: You really have to look at this in a mature way. For the US to bomb and basically destroy a country and assassinate its head of state on worldwide television, and then for diplomats to go in, those diplomats have to realize that they’re not innocent. They are parties in a major war crime. So they have to on guard for that. To think there’s going to be normal diplomatic relations in a country like Libya – that’s totally unstable as a result of NATO intervention – is a bit naïve by western pundits and politicians in Washington and London. No one is innocent anymore. This is the new paradigm of Western aggression that they have to accept as a reality.

RT: Islamist groups have been on the rise since the dawn of the Arab Spring – why are their radical elements proving so difficult for these countries to contain?

PH: Most of the radical Islamic elements in all of these countries are controlled by the West. The al-Qaeda factions are directed, controlled, and now funded openly – in the case of Syria – by Washington and London. So they have control of the radical elements. This is really an excellent divide and rule situation, to use this clash of civilizations – Islam vs. Christianity – it’s a great cover for a neo-colonial agenda and the technique of dividing countries into their respective compartments, compartmentalizing them, and then being able to rule over them, through the UN or NATO or other transnational bodies.

RT: What do you expect Washington’s next step to be?

PH: This is a tragedy, our hearts go out to the council workers and Ambassador Stevens and his family. But look – the US called all the dead Libyans “collateral damage” when they were working to take over the country. You can look at this recent death as “collateral damage.” This is still a part of the aggression. This is what’s called the blowback of Washington and London’s aggressive foreign policy. Ambassador Stevens and his staff are “collateral damage” of the western agenda to march forward and to radicalize parts of the countries and take over the Middle East in order to prepare for the eventual confrontation with Iran, with Israel by its side.

RT: Why are the American diplomats paying this tragic price when the anger is supposedly directed at a film which has nothing to do with the government?

PH: There’s more than meets the eye here. It’s not just about the film. This anti-Western, anti-American angst isn’t just about what this film was depicted as. This film will come and go. It will wash away. The real issue here is about the Western aggression – the violence and killing – from Afghanistan all the way to Libya. That is the big issue that people aren’t talking about.

It’s not so much about a religion or clash of civilizations. It’s an anti-Imperialist angst that’s fueling this aggression towards America and some of Europe’s leading NATO countries. This is the price they will continue to pay. But the West will use this crisis as an opportunity to either balkanize these countries or introduce other military UN peace keeping forces, more small pockets of NATO troops. They’ll use this crisis as an opportunity as they always have done. So we need to look through the narrative, which is mainly a Western narrative.

RT: Ambassador Christopher Stevens was a key figure in arranging ties with Libya’s post-revolution interim government. Does his tragic death signal a deep divide between the new leaders and the people of Benghazi?

[…]

http://rt.com/news/us-ambassador-libya-killed-983/

September 12th, 2012, 8:13 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

ياأهل العار والوطاوية والخذل ماعيب على المسلمين في ليبيا ومصر يقبضو قرش واحد من امريكا ليش ما السعودية تتكفل بكل حاجة المسلمين الملّحة على الأقل ان يقوم الحاكم الغير شرعي اليهودي ابن السعود يتبرع فقط البلغ اللذي نهبه من المسلمين الحجأج لمكّة على الأقلّ ليش يترك المسلمين بحاجة يشحدو ويتدينو بالفائضة المحرمة في الشريعة الاسلامية من بنوك اليهود والصهيونية والكافرين وغير المؤمنين مو هاذا حرام يامنحرفين اسلامييين ؟ العار عليكم وعلى امة الرسول محمد على هذه الوطاوية الحقيرة اللعنة عليكم اذا لايقوم هذا اليهودي اللذي يتحكم في الحرمين الشريفين في تكفل مساعدة كل مسلم والأمة الاسلامية كاملآ متكملآ يجب عليكم بأمر من النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وسلّم ان تجاهدو في الحرب لطرده من ديار الاسلام

September 12th, 2012, 8:20 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian@62

?!

There has been no one, absolutely no one, on SC mocking death as much as Ann did without even the slightest attempt to hide it. Sorry, I do not share your opinion.

On a second thought, you may be trying to tell me something…

September 12th, 2012, 8:26 pm

 

Citizen said:

في فيلم أخر من تلك الباقة !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6vRC1xW_c
Mocking Jesus on Israeli TV – צליבת ישו – The Crucifixion of “Yeshu”
Muslims respects and honour jesus because he is the prophet of God unlike jews but americans still labells muslim as a terrorist I thinks its time to wake up and study quran and islam because it teaches peace and tolerance

September 12th, 2012, 8:29 pm

 

Tara said:

Sectarian conflict ‘masks power struggle’
Turkey believes the Syrian regime is now portraying the country’s crisis as a Sunni-Shia conflict to mask President Assad’s loss of political authority, according to a senior adviser to prime minister Tayyip Erdogan.

This “neo-sectarian” approach aims to rally Syrian Shia to Assad’s side and explain away opposition to him by majority Sunni states in the region, Ibrahim Kalin told Reuters.

But Syria’s Sunnis and Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi’ism to which Assad belongs, are not fixed blocs and Turkey does not see the crisis in sectarian terms, Kalin said at a weekend conference of Muslim and Christian religious leaders from the Middle East.

“The Assad regime, because it has lost its political legitimacy, is now trying to present this as a sectarian conflict,” he said. “They claim that those who oppose the Assad regime do so because they are Sunnis and they hate Shia.

“The good news is that the vast majority of the Sunnis and Shia don’t buy this argument and realise these are political decisions, not a sectarian conflict.”

Kalin described as “neo-sectarianism” the growing emphasis on religious identities across the Middle East, but said these trends – while real – were still mostly secondary to the political struggles driving events in the region.

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The Guardian blog

September 12th, 2012, 8:30 pm

 

Tara said:

Citizaen@66

Is that you?

Did I misread you?

September 12th, 2012, 8:37 pm

 

Visitor said:

Tlass is not a real deserter. His so-called desertion is orchestrated by the regime in order to penetrate the opposition and the FSA. Fortunately no one from the opposition bought Tlass’ so-called defection. But the FSA should remain on the look-out for fake defections.m it is the regime’s strategy to penetrate the FSA after the regime lost control on the ground.

نبّهت مصادر مطلعة على شؤون الثورة السورية أنّ النظام السوري يريد ايجاد مخرج من الأزمة، ولو كلفه ذلك بعض صلاحياته ومن خلال الإلتفاف على الثورة السورية ومنع حدوث أي شكل من التدخل العسكري أو الحظر الجوي بأي ثمن.

ووفق هذه المصادر فإنّ ابرز ثغرة يعوّل عليها النظام منذ بدء الثورة ولا يزال هي اللعب على التناقضات الموجودة سواء بين الكتائب المختلفة للجيش السوري الحرـ أو على مستوى المعارضات الموجودة في الخارج والتي لم تستطع توحيد كلمتها.

وقد عددت هذه المصادر جملة خطوات اتخذها النظام لإختراق الجيش الحرّ, كان اولها انشقاق شكلي للعميد مناف طلاس تمّ بتوافق مع النظام وبشار الأسد شخصياً. وقد عملت جهات أمنية غربية على تسويق طلاس بصفته رئيساً للمجلس العسكري السوري وحاولت فرضه على الأطراف السورية المعارضة على أنه لا بديل عنه.

وبحسب هذه المصادر، فإنه عقب فشل تنصيب طلاس، دفع النظام بعدد الضباط الموالين له من بينهم من هو برتبة لواء أوحى أنه انشق عن النظام، ليشغل منصب قيادي في الجيش الحرّ. وتذكر هذه المصادر بأنّ تصريحات كل من هذا اللواء ومناف طلاس ركزت على رفض الحظر الجوي أو أي نوع من التدخل العسكري الأجنبي.

من جانب آخر، نجح النظام في ارسال عدد من شبيحته ومخابراته على شكل منشقين للإنضمام إلى بعض مجموعات الجيش الحر بحيث أنه زرع عيناً له أو اكثر في كل منطقة. ونتائج هذا الإجراء كانت بالدرجة الأولى تصفية عدد من الضباط الأحرار واعتقال نشطاء في الداخل السوري واحباط محاولات انشقاق كانت يتم التنسيق لها، مع رصد مستمر لتحركات الثوار على الأرض وضربهم بالطيران الحربي متى أمكن ذلك.

ثالثاً، أبتكر النظام طريقة اختراق أخرى من بعض العاملين في المجال الإعلامي والذين ينطقون بإسم بعض الجهات الثورية. هؤلاء قد اطلقوا مواقف معينة منها التهديد بإستهداف الجيش الحرّ لطائرات مدنية لا يستخدمها غير المدنيين مثلاً، أو أخبار أخرى منها الإعلان عن انشقاقات على مستوى رفيع لم تحصل من أجل ضرب مصداقية الجيش الحرّ أو حتى الإعلان بأن عدداً من المخطوفين اللبنانيين قتل والآخر جرح.

رابعاً، قام النظام بتشكيل كتائب وسرايا صغيرة تنتمي في الظاهر للجيش الحرّ، في وقت تشكل هذه الكتائب جزء من المخابرات السورية، للقيام بعمليات مريبة ومشبوهة وإلصاقها بالثوار سعياً لتشويه صورتهم والصاق الممارسات المليشياوية بالثوار على انهم مجموعات من القتلة والإرهابيين والسلفيين.

وتبقى الغاية البديهية من وراء ذلك لإعادة تسويق النظام السوري لدى الغرب على أنه لا بديل له، والعودة لتبني وجهة النظر الروسية والإيرانية في هذا المجال. ولا تستبعد ان تكون هذه المجموعات وراء عمليات خطف طالت عدة اطراف داخل سوريا.

September 12th, 2012, 8:39 pm

 

Citizen said:

NYT VIDEO ILLUSTRATES WAR CRIME COMMITTED BY SYRIAN REBELS
…………
he video is highly important because it illustrates the war crime (“using prisoners as suicide bombers”) committed by a group under the Free Syrian Army, which contradicts previous FSA official’s statements of allowing rights to prisoners.

Western nations such as the United States have consistently backed FSA members and any rebel group willing to take down Assad’s government. As SpreadLibertyNews reported, during the end of the NATO Summit in Chicago, Obama agreed to an arms deal with Syrian rebels. Weeks later, Obama’s national security council as well as CIA officials met with Mossad supported rebels in D.C. to sort out weapon deals.
http://spreadlibertynews.com/nyt-video-illustrates-war-crime-committed-by-syrian-rebels/

September 12th, 2012, 8:42 pm

 

Syrian said:

62 Tara:
well, I said “of all of them she is most likely”,because the others speak with conviction but she has no ideas or thoughts of her own, she is just acting tough and heartless as oppose to the others who believe in their hearts of what they are saying
For example after the revlution victory Zoo will go into depression and might never go back to Syria, while Ann would say ,Oh well. Goes shopping and forget all about it

September 12th, 2012, 9:07 pm

 

Tara said:

• The film said to have incited the anti-US violence appears to have been made without the full cooperation of its actors, one of whom told Gawker she was shocked to learn she had performed in a spoof of Islam. The film was originally not about the Prophet Mohammed but about someone called Master George, she said. The identity of the filmmaker is still unknown.

References to Islam in film were overdubbed: report
About that “film,” “Innocence of Muslims”: its every detail seems to disintegrate under the first light of examination.

On the Media now reports that every reference in the film to Islam appears to be overdubbed. The film apparently isn’t, or wasn’t, about Islam at all:

If you watch closely, you can see that when the actors are reading parts of the script that do not contain Islam-specific language, the audio from the sound stage is used (the audio that was recorded as the actors were simultaneously being filmed). But anytime the actors are referring to something specific to the religion (the Prophet Muhammed, the Quran, etc.) the audio recorded during filming is replaced with a poorly executed post-production dub. And if you look EVEN closer, you can see that the actors’ mouths are saying something other than what the dub is saying.

CNN quotes from a statement the news organization says was “released on the behalf of the 80 cast and crew members of “Innocence of Muslims” – although who released the statement and how CNN is sure of its authenticity is unclear.

The statement condemns the film and claims the actors were duped:

“The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose,” the statement says. “We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.”

Update: Gawker’s Adrian Chen has spoken with an actress in the film. She had no idea the movie was a spoof of Islam, she tells him. “It wasn’t based on anything to do with religion,” she said:

Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., has a small role in the Muhammed movie as a woman whose young daughter is given to Muhammed to marry. But in a phone interview this afternoon, Garcia told us she had no idea she was participating in an offensive spoof on the life of Muhammed when she answered a casting call through an agency last summer and got the part.

The script she was given was titled simplyDesert Warriors.

“It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago,” Garcia said. “It wasn’t based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn’t anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything.”
….,

The Guardian

September 12th, 2012, 9:07 pm

 

ann said:

ISLAMISTS DRAG DEAD BODY OF US AMBASSADOR THROUGH THE STREETS OF BENGHAZI! (Updated) …Another Photo! – September 12, 2012

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/islamists-drag-dead-body-of-us-ambassador-in-the-streets/

September 12th, 2012, 9:12 pm

 

zoo said:

A lot of questions must be asked about this tragedy in Libya.
What were the US and Western intelligence doing? There were good at tracking Kaddafi but unable to see that on the 11 Sept, the US embassy should be doubly guarded and defended. Is is naivety, incompetence or what? What was the Libyan police doing?
It is really shocking to realize that an ambassador of the most powerful country in the world can get killed so easily by a mob.
It was reported that the security guards, taken by surprise just ran away.
The USA should review quickly its security and not rely on the false impression that the new Islamic republics are safe.
It is a tragic and absurd end for a man who only wanted the good for Libya.

September 12th, 2012, 9:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo,  

Unknown and Known 
Posted by Heather Hurlburt

Last night’s tragic and violent demonstrations in Benghazi, Libya and Cairo, Egypt have unleashed a torrent of on-line commentary and speculation today, with some occasional fact-based reporting mixed in. Add to that a heavy, disgraceful dose of electioneering over the not-yet-cold corpses of our public servants. Here’s what you need to catch up.

We still don’t know fundamental facts about what happened.  This is important, because some commentators and legislators have called for immediately cutting off aid to Egypt and Libya, or even for military strikes. But a smart response will be one that has facts on its side. Some things we don’t yet know:  Who is responsible? A Libya-based extremist group with links to Al Qaeda has claimed responsibility; the Libyan government has pointed fingers at Al Qaeda. Washington has said nothing. Were the Libya and Cairo protests coordinated? There’s no evidence of that.

We don’t know why. Was the Benghazi attack part of protests of a Western film perceived as anti-Islamic, or was it planned separately in advance and just took advantage? We don’t know, and at least one commentator suggests the killing was in retaliation for a US drone strike in Pakistan.

We also don’t know as much as we thought we knew about the film that sparked the first round of protests. Reporting before and immediately after the protests identified an “Israeli” or “Jewish American” film producer, Sam Bacile, who had posted on YouTube an incendiary trailer for a film, funded by “100 Jewish donors” and promoted by Terry Jones, the Florida pastor of 2010 Koran-burning fame. Subsequent reporting has brought his religion, nationality and very existence into question, and the only thing that seems clear is that someone was eager to fan the flames of sectarian hatred – and not eager to be identified.  The actors and crew now say they were misled, thinking they were making a film about a “generic Egyptian” named “Master George,” with the most incendiary lines appear to have been (poorly) overdubbed after filming. In one scene, the dubbed voice says “Mohammed” while the actor’s lips appear to say “George.” 

What we do know:

Someone posted an inflammatory, poorly-produced video that seemed designed to anger Muslims, and then began promoting it to make sure people noticed. They did. Protests were planned in Cairo and Benghazi. Some protestors at each event seemed to have more violent goals in mind, with the result of a tense standoff in Cairo that closed the US Embassy, and a four-hour firefight in Benghazi that left ten Libyan security guards and four Americans dead, and three more Americans (and probably many Libyans) injured.

We learned today some important things about how people in the region and in the United States are reacting, and what that says about the future.

Libyan people are anxious for Americans to know this violence doesn’t reflect their views.  Thousands of Libyans demonstrated in solidarity with Washington and against extremism today. Ten Libyan security guards gave their lives trying to protect the consulate and our diplomats in Benghazi. At the same time, Libyans went to the polls – and seem to have selected the most pro-Western of the candidates for Prime Minister.

More protests are coming. A protest in Tunis today was pushed back by Tunisian security forces. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood has called for more Cairo protests against the offending movie tomorrow. Protests may occur in Yemen as well. Experts are watching Afghanistan, where prior protests of perceived American insults to Islam have resulted in American fatalities, and Pakistan with great concern – such great concern that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff called Koran-burning Florida pastor Terry Jones and asked him to stop promoting the video.
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September 12, 2012 at 05:56 PM | Permalink
http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2012/09/unknown-and-known.html

September 12th, 2012, 9:27 pm

 

zoo said:

How Muslim Men Are “Helping” Syrian Refugees

by Khaled Abu Toameh
Khaled Abu Toameh is an Arab Israeli journalist,

September 11, 2012 at 5:00 am
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3339/syrian-refugees

Muslim men from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries have asked their embassies to help to help them find Syrian girls living in makeshift refugee camps in Jordan and Iraq. “Exploiting the conditions of the girls in the refugee camps by marrying them temporarily is a form of rape that must stop immediately. Those responsible for this crime should be brought to trial,” says Abdel Bari Atwan of Al-Quds Al-Arabi.

Syrian female refugees aged 14 and 15 who fled their country to Jordan and Iraq are being forced into “pleasure marriages” [Nikah al-Mut’ah] — a pre-Islamic custom allowing men to marry for a limited period.

Apart from being a cover for legalized prostitution (the marriage can last for as little as 30 minutes), Nikah al-Mut’ah deprives the wife of many rights.

No divorce is necessary in “pleasure marriages,” for instance, and the husband may void the marriage earlier than agreed.

What is most disturbing about this practice is not even whether or not the wife has rights, so much as that Muslim scholars and preachers have given the green light to their followers to exploit the plight of the poor and helpless Syrian girls.

Muslim men from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries have in the past few weeks asked their embassies in Amman and Baghdad to help them find Syrian girls living in makeshift refugee camps in Jordan and Iraq.

This is happening at a time when the oil-rich Arab countries are doing almost nothing to help the tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who are living in extremely difficult conditions.

Some Arab human rights activists have condemned the phenomenon, but their voice has thus far fallen on deaf ears.

Muslim preachers in a number of Arab countries have been encouraging their followers to engage in “pleasure marriages” with Syrian girls as a way of ridding them and their families of their misery. Some of these preachers have even issued fatwas [Islamic decrees] permitting the sexual exploitation of minors.

Many of these girls, according to reports in a number of Arab media outlets, are being returned to their families after hours or days of the temporary marriage.

Some of the victims are being sold by their desperate families to Muslim men in return for a few hundred dollars.

September 12th, 2012, 9:28 pm

 

zoo said:

76. Tara

That’s the key question. How happen that with CIA agents in Libya, the UK intelligence, the French intelligence, they “knew” so little?

“They have elected the most pro-Western of the candidates for Prime Minister.”
That’s not true, Mahmud Jibril was the most secular of the candidates.

September 12th, 2012, 9:35 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I could not and did not want to watch the full movie, I suspected that it is pure filth, a friend who is writing an article about the movie for a reputable Christian publication had to watch it, he said that it is a piece of garbage with no artistic or cultural value, I did watch a clip, it was obvious the movie was done for a purpose: inflame Muslims, embarrass Copts and trigger a violent response, in that sense the movie did the job ,and its Israeli ” film maker” went into hiding, you may soon hear that he is in Israel being hailed as a hero of free speech. Attacking the US consulate in BinGhazi and murdering the US ambassador was a terrorist act that was probably planned for days or weeks but had to wait for the right moment.

September 12th, 2012, 9:41 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Rebels are stealing antiquities and selling them to buy weapons:
Syria’s Looted Past: How Ancient Artifacts Are Being Traded for Guns

NELOFER PAZIRA
By ARYN BAKER / MAJDAL ANJAR, LEBANON
The ongoing civil war in Syria, a land brimming with history, has led to a dangerous, tragic surge in the looting and smuggling of Syrian antiquities
Read more: http://world.time.com/#ixzz26JIposl8

September 12th, 2012, 9:51 pm

 

Tara said:

انتشرت ع الفيسبوك و غير مواقع بالفترة الماضية حملة شرسة بما يخص هالموضوع, و الطرح كان انو بعض الرجال العرب عم يستغلوا حاجة اللاجئات السوريات و اهلون بالزواج منهون لتخليصهون من هالوضع, طبعا انوصف الموضوع انو عم يتم بطريقة جدا مهينة للبنت السورية و اهلها و المجتمع السوري كلو…انو هدول الناس شبه عم يشتروا البنت

Read on…
http://bit.ly/TSp8Tk

September 12th, 2012, 9:55 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

Juan Cole says:

” Lots of Sunnis are still on the fence or are supporting the regime.”

I think he’s right

September 12th, 2012, 10:03 pm

 

Ghufran said:

حصلت “الراي” على تفاصيل بعض ما دار في الاجتماع الرباعي الذي ضم ممثلي مصر وتركيا والسعودية وايران، في القاهرة كخطوة أولى لاجتماعات مبادرة الرئيس محمد مرسي لحل الأزمة السورية.
وكشف مصدر ديبلوماسي أن القاهرة عرضت اعادة صياغة المبادرة بما يتيح لها حرية الحركة اذا امتنع النظام السوري عن المشاركة في الاجتماعات، نافيا أن يكون خطابا الرئيس محمد مرسي في طهران والجامعة العربية واللذان تضمنا رسائل قوية الى النظام السوري قد أفشلا هذه المبادرة، مشيرا الى أن مصر تمد يدها لجميع الأطراف السورية من أجل المشاركة في هذه المبادرة.
وأضاف لـ “الراي” ان الاجتماع لم تصدر عنه أي نتائج ولم يتوصل الى أي قرارات حيث كان تشاوريا في المقام الأول لعرض وجهات نظر الدول المشاركة تجاه هذه الأزمة.
وأوضح أن مصر أصرت على رفض أي تدخل عسكري لحل هذه الأزمة، كما طالبت بضرورة التوصل الى اتفاق مبدئي لوقف نزيف الدم دون الانتظار الى نتائج المبادرة، كما دعت الى ضرورة وجود حوار مباشر بين النظام الحاكم والمعارضة التي يجب أن تتوحد تحت مسمى واحد
By insisting that Bashar has to resign first (Qatar and Turkey) or that he stays as president (the regime and Iran) one can conclude that no political solution is on the horizon.
Both camps are not serious about finding an exit, Russia and the US are doing nothing to facilitate an agreement that gives Syrians something they can build on.

September 12th, 2012, 10:08 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

78. Ghufran said:

“I could not and did not want to watch the full movie, I suspected that it is pure filth.”

That’s what they said about James Joyce, D. H. Lawrence, J. D. Salinger, etc. Pure filth.

The problem with art is, it is never recognized by the teeming masses of uncultured philistines.

For those of you who don’t know, the word “philistine” in English refers to “smug, ignorant, especially middle-class persons who are regarded as being indifferent or antagonistic to artistic and cultural values.

Sounds like you, Ghuffie

September 12th, 2012, 10:12 pm

 

Tara said:

The link in #80:

From the comment section of the post.  This is one smart Syrian woman  
#13
علاك مصدي, متى أصبحت العامية مقبولة إلى هذه الدرجة!!!!!

#14
دخلك انت بتحكي مع اهلك فصحى؟ انا عم احكي فشة خلق ما عم اكتب موضوع تعبير او نشرة اخبار..عم حاول احكي مع الناس بشكل مباشر…وش لوش, و بعبر اكتر بالعامية..لي بيتركضوا ع القشور و تنسوا المضمون؟

September 12th, 2012, 10:17 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

After the abhorrent attacks against the American consulate and the death of 4 Americans, Libyans come out in numbers to show their respect to the dead and their disgust at the events that unfolded the day earlier.

http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

While a bunch misguided and angry buffoons might try their best to ruin what the majority of Libyans are trying to achieve, no matter how hard they might try they wont succeed.

September 12th, 2012, 10:19 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

A time based map visualization showing all Syria casualties.

http://blog.cartodb.com/post/28487635064/our-first-collaboration-with-the-guardian-a-time-lapse

Extremely eerie to see the death toll rise so quickly after the New Years.

September 12th, 2012, 10:24 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Hmmm how many people on this blog fall into this category I wonder…

ASSAD’S USEFUL IDIOTS

How prominent commentators from the ‘anti-imperialist’ left have twisted the public discourse on Syria and, in the process, provided intellectual cover for the Assad regime.

It was the first weekend of August, and on the highway leading out of Damascus, Syrian tanks rumbled northwards towards Aleppo. As 20,000 government troops mobilised outside the city, Syrian bomber jets shattered the shopping district of Salahedin, a rebel stronghold. Just metres away from the fighting, a Reuters reporter found a local couple, shaking with fear. “Just to hold power he is willing to destroy our streets, our homes, kill our sons,” cried Fawzia Um Ahmed as she waited for a car to take them to safety.

In Sydney that weekend the sun was out, and so were hundreds of Syrian Australians. In a rally organised by a group called ‘Hands off Syria’, they marched through the city, brandishing posters of Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad and signs that read, “Thank you Russia and China 4 Vetoes” and “Let the whole world hear: Syria is our Nation, Bashar is our Leader”.

“He’s a doctor, he studied in England,” ‘Naja’ told TruthNews in a broad Syrian-Australian accent, adding that President Assad had been ‘democratically elected’ by 75 per cent of Syrians. “He doesn’t kill his people. We’ve got militants in Syria. They’re terrorists.”

Flanked by cheering Assad supporters, Dr Tim Anderson, a senior lecturer in political economy at Sydney University and a member of Hands Off Syria, made an impassioned speech in support of the Syrian president. “People in this country are very ignorant about what’s going on in Syria,” he began.

“That’s not a crime in itself. But what is unacceptable is the unethical use of this ignorance… Those people saying Assad must go, they have no ethical basis to make that sort of claim,” he continued, cheered by the crowd. To this, he added: “They haven’t understood that it’s the foundation of the post-colonial era… that a people have a right to

self-determination.”

Hang on a minute. Isn’t the Syrian opposition fighting the Assad regime for its right to self-determination?

Don’t try to make sense of this logically; think ideologically.

Anderson is among the ideologues who believe there is no greater enemy than American imperialism. That means the Syrian uprising poses a grave threat to the ‘Axis of Resistance’ — Iran, Syria and Hezbollah — which, according to them, is the only force blocking America’s imperialist ambitions in the Middle East. If Assad falls, they believe it is America, Israel and Saudi Arabia that have the most to gain.

This ideological war is being fought at varying levels of sophistication by leftists with far greater influence than Dr Anderson, such as The Guardian’s associate editor and columnist Seumas Milne, award-winning journalist John Pilger, military historian and intellectual Tariq Ali and British MP George Galloway.

[…]

http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/assads-useful-idiots/374/

September 12th, 2012, 10:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

انتقد أمين عام الإخوان في مصر المظاهرات أمام السفارة الأمريكية واعتبرها “مكيدة”، مشيراً إلى أنه لا يجب التعدي على المنشآت العامة في البلاد.
I guess MBs in power use a different language from MBs who are still in the opposition.
We need to hire this guy to advise people who see attacks on state properties as a holy duty.

September 12th, 2012, 11:15 pm

 

habib said:

87. Son of Damascus

Hmmm, “useful idiots” for locally forced secularism or for global religious fundamentalism? What’s better?

That Libyan ambassador was a useful idiot for the latter, see where it got him…

As for the Libya attack, I saw the most retarded comment yet on al Akhbar English of all places:

“This is done either by Gaddafi Loyalist or Assad`s secret service to warn the Americans of the syrian revolutionaries.”

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!

September 12th, 2012, 11:43 pm

 
 

Ghufran said:

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he was manager for the company that produced “Innocence of Muslims,” which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.
Nakoula denied he directed the film and said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cell phone number that AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Sam Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers said Nakoula’s aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.
Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film’s director supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.

September 12th, 2012, 11:52 pm

 

habib said:

91. Ghufran

That man is a fucking idiot. He is responsible if Copts are hurt because of this.

Of course the Salafists are too, but they’re like children, its inevitable that they would do stuff like this, and everyone knows it. One should not play with fire.

September 13th, 2012, 12:01 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

92 Habit

“He is responsible if Copts are hurt because of this.”

No, he’s not. If Muslims are too weak to control themselves, they can blame God for failing to make them stronger-willed. If, on the other hand, Muslims are no different from, say, Norwegians, then they have only themselves to blame if they commit a violent act.

It’s really laughable to think a pack of Egyptian Muslims would go on the warpath over a video produced 10,000 miles away. Don’t they have jobs? Don’t they have to be somewhere?

September 13th, 2012, 12:12 am

 

ann said:

93. Johannes de Silentio said:

Don’t they have jobs? Don’t they have to be somewhere?

Nope, they don’t!

They’re too busy posting day and night pretending to be concerned Syrian citizens on this blog

September 13th, 2012, 12:25 am

 

habib said:

93. Johannes de Silentio

See the last part of my post. Salafists are as predictable as fire. If you play with them, you get burned. After the Muhammad drawings, everyone on earth knew this would happen.

September 13th, 2012, 12:33 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

Don’t they have jobs? Don’t they have to be somewhere?
________________________________________________________________

The first, unfortunately no, they have no jobs and will never have, always have been and will be on handouts from USA and any willing donor, and the second, fortunately to many of us, no.

September 13th, 2012, 12:33 am

 

Juergen said:

Syria: Christians take up arms for first time
Christian communities in Aleppo have taken up arms and formed their own militias for the first time, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.

The Christian community has tried to avoid taking sides in the civil war. In Aleppo, it recruited vigilantes from the Boy Scout movement to protect churches, but as the war moved into the city and spread across its suburbs they have begun to accept weapons from the Syrian army and joined forces with Armenian groups to repel opposition guerrillas.

“Everybody is fighting everybody,” said George, an Armenian Christian from the city. “The Armenians are fighting because they believe the FSA are sent by their Turkish oppressors to attack them, the Christians want to defend their neighbourhoods, Shabiha regime militia are there to kill and rape, the army is fighting the FSA, and the [Kurdish militant group] PKK have their own militia too.”

For the past six weeks up to 150 Christian and Armenian fighters have been fighting to prevent Free Syrian Army rebels from entering Christian heartland areas of Aleppo.

Last month the Syrian army claimed a ‘victory’ in removing FSA fighters from the historic Christian quarter of Jdeidah. But Christian

militia fighters told the Daily Telegraph it was they who had first attacked the FSA there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9539244/Syria-Christians-take-up-arms-for-first-time.html

September 13th, 2012, 12:49 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

96. Aldendesche

“they have no jobs and will never have, always have been and will be on handouts from USA.”

You can remove the “always” from that statement, Brother Aldie. It’s an election year in the good old USA and a lot of voters are suddenly wondering why a pack of loathsome Egyptians, like Ann for example, are getting US taxpayer money.

I got a feeling the golden billion dollar nipple in gonna dry up for Egypt real soon.

September 13th, 2012, 12:52 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

Israel will not allow that cut off of funding. The Islamist Terrorists rulling Egypt and Libya will be knocking on Alqaida door for food and water. They in turn will send them to the Sinai for service tour in exchange, kill the infidel Jews that attacked Mohammad.

September 13th, 2012, 12:59 am

 

Juergen said:

Fisk on the Prophet cartoons:

The provocateurs know politics and religion don’t mix

It only takes a couple of loonies a few seconds to kick off a miniature war in the Muslim world
o another internet clever-clogs sets the Middle East on fire: Prophet cartoons, then Koranic book-burning, now a video of robed “terrorists” and a fake desert. The Western-Christian perpetrators then go into hiding (an essential requisite for publicity) while the innocent are asphyxiated, beheaded and otherwise done to death – outrageous Muslim revenge thus “proving” the racist claims of the trash peddlers that Islam is a violent religion.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-provocateurs-know-politics-and-religion-dont-mix-8131297.html

September 13th, 2012, 1:02 am

 

ann said:

Obama’s re-election is TOAST.

Hello Romney!

September 13th, 2012, 1:04 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

By insisting that Bashar has to resign first (Qatar and Turkey) or that he stays as president (the regime and Iran) one can conclude that no political solution is on the horizon. Both camps are not serious about finding an exit, Russia and the US are doing nothing to facilitate an agreement that gives Syrians something they can build on.
————————————————————————————————————————————————–

Syrian Nationalist Party
Metaz K.M. Aldendeshe
Chief Strategist

I personally have no conviction whatsoever that Assad will ever institute the reforms and change needed to move Syria into a modern State. When we took vote on this issue last week, the result were 69 for, and 3 against, it is evident to persons having common sense. It is further my believe that all he and his Alawi minority juntas are doing, is to beat the hell out of Islamists regardless of how many structures left standing in Syria, or the number of lives lost, then after, call in all the local socialists and communists, former Baathists and Nasserites and dictate to them the changes he is going to make and they must accept or he will send them to Palmyra.

The reason why I am convinced so, and many agree with me on this, as they say, the proof is in the pudding: If Assad seriously willing to make the changes, he would have done so right away, or during, or after any one of the junction this crises taken. Yet, all the reforms he introduced are what you can call fictitious Baathist styled ones. He simply will not give in on any of the changes that can empower the Syrian people to take charge of own social, economic nor political destiny.

Were he, or his regime, has any intent whatsoever to do so, he would have launched and introduced such crucial and important reforms that are demanded by Syrians of all type, if for anything, just to cut the FITNA and the road to devastation the crises was taken.

His claim that he will negotiate and initiate reforms after the terrorists lay arm is bogus at best. As Fisk reported last week, the revolutionaries are really not after removing Assad or his regime; they said blatantly that they are after establishing an Islamic Emirates. Well, that is bogus as well. That is what the puppet masters told and brainwashed the Islamic Terrorists with this gullible notion, cheating them like little kids, knowing their psychological make ups. The puppeteers, from the start, are after instigating a FITNA in Syria, that will result is Civil War and destruction, disintegration of the State, that is all, and it is peddled for the gullible masses as getting rid of the Alawi dictatorship, and yet another goal set for the terrorists, and even another one for the media etc. It is a hoax.

Assad, could have cut the rope on the FITNA weavers, but then he has to give too much, much of what Syrians are demanding, and have demanded, none of which from the start was his departure, but he stubbornly refused an iota of giving in, letting the FITNA crowds win everyday a bigger win, fueling the fire and bringing Syria down to this devastating level. Like the Shia Zionists of Iran, Assad played one part of the grand Zionist plan weaved by the Rothschild’s, just as Hassan Al Banna played his part and his followers continue to play, and just as Khomeini and Saddam played their move, all to bring in HAARETZ ISRAEL. But in Assad mind, he think pulling a Hafez Hama redux is doable, couple of years, and like his daddy, he will become the new Sphinx of the Middle East, he will be traveling to Switzerland to meet with the American President, and will be given a red carpet treatment in Dhahran, Paris and London. All he has to do for a final shot to respected celebrity, is toss Saddam billions and few of his family to the Rothschild’s banks.

September 13th, 2012, 1:04 am

 

Juergen said:

DIE ZEIT has its own journalist in Aleppo this week, here is an disturbing article

Syria-war Death from above

In the Syrian city of Aleppo, many people are drawn in dark cellars, because the regime’s fighter jets bombed the houses. Suddenly succeeds residents back to the electricity grid – and reclaim hope

The hands are shaking too much to tie the laces, these silly laces, they flutter around while running. I run into the darkness of the staircase, run down the stairs. Another bomb crashes into a building of the neighborhood, the third drop in five minutes. Do not stumble over the laces, I think, to think of anything. The ground shakes from the force of the explosion. To reach the ground floor, pressed myself against the wall. Here, the concrete will most massively.The child’s cry that came up just from the street is silent. A rat scuttles through the stairwell. Silence. Fly sit on my skin. There are now so many of them. The garbage attracts them. It covers places and roadsides. The city rots from the inside out. “Our city is a city of Aleppo now flying,” say many here. From the narrow waist-echoes the engine noise of a fighter plane. High up there like a bird circling over a rabbit. The people who live in this street, which is their refuge and the event at the same time, have fled their homes. Mohammed, a taxi driver from over whose children were on the balcony just quarreled still together, his cousin Ahmed, a tailor in the basement, and the barber from the corner, they stare at the concrete ceiling above their heads and close their eyes. They all listen to the same sound. The steady roar of the engine.

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2F2012%2F37%2FDOS-Syrien-Aleppo%2Fkomplettansicht

September 13th, 2012, 1:08 am

 

habib said:

101. ann

But will it be any better? The Republicans seem even more eager to provide the Salafist insurgents with lethal aid.

I think Obama may be the least harmful choice, in spite of what his gov has done so far. If the Israelis ask Romney to attack Iran or Syria, you can pretty much consider it done.

103. Juergen

Has happened daily in Gaza for the last 20 years, no one cared or made so emotional reports. Hypocrites.

September 13th, 2012, 1:12 am

 

ann said:

Things are starting to heat up in Egypt 8)

September 13th, 2012, 1:13 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

99. Aldendeshe

“Israel will not allow that cut off.”

America doesn’t listen to Israel anymore. Haven’t you been reading the papers? Obama told the Jews that “they’re on their own.” As for the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda, they were going to link up sooner or later. Might as well be sooner.

So strap yourself in, Brother Aldie. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride for a while.

September 13th, 2012, 1:18 am

 

ann said:

104. habib said:

But will it be any better? The Republicans seem even more eager to provide the Salafist insurgents with lethal aid.

No, things will not get any better. But it would be interesting to find Assad outliving Obama as a president.

September 13th, 2012, 1:18 am

 

ann said:

They’re burning American flags and replacing them with Al Qaeda flags in Cairo!

September 13th, 2012, 1:23 am

 

ann said:

Commentary: Time for U.S. to rethink its Mideast policies after ambassador’s tragic death – 2012-09-13

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2012-09/13/c_131848019.htm

BEIJING, Sept. 13 (Xinhua) — The attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya on Tuesday were hair-raising, and the death of U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens was tragic.

On the surface, the attacks stemmed from a U.S.-made film that “defames Islam’s Prophet Mohammed.” But their causes run deeper than that, highlighting America’s flawed strategy in the Middle East and the necessity for Washington to rethink its policies toward the region.

Both Libya and Egypt witnessed drastic political upheavals in the past year, in which the United States played a crucial role. However, many Egyptians and Libyans don’t seem grateful to America, and the deadly attacks appear to reveal deep resentment. Why?

First and foremost, the United States has been pursuing hegemony in the Middle East for decades, and people in the region are fed up with the image of “the arrogant American.”

Years ago, the United States launched the “war on terror” and turned Iraq into a bloody chaos, causing numerous deaths and casualties, with millions of people displaced.

Despite all its rhetoric, the United States failed to bring prosperity to the region and the people there remain mired in dire situations.

For instance, Iraq is still troubled by explosions, sectarian conflicts,a slow reconstruction process and the resurgence of al-Qaida.

Secondly, the attacks dealt a big blow to America’s decades-old scheme of trying to set up a coalition in the region to bring down the Mideast governments it dislikes, like Iran and Syria.

To that end, America and its allies have been trying to push for regime change in the name of democratization. But the region is still volatile, and the coalition has been weakened instead of getting stronger.

Not long ago, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited the Middle East in an bid to patch up cracks that emerged in the region’s relationship with America. But she met protests. And the latest attacks demonstrated again how unpopular Americans are in the region.

Thirdly, America’s partiality for Israel leads to widespread hatred among Arabs, shaking the foundation of America’s strategy in the region.

Moreover, the political patterns in many Mideast countries have gradually changed following the rise of religious forces, which is bad news for the United States.

Fourthly, America’s inaction to restart the Mideast peace process has added to local people’s revulsion at America.

The world held high hopes for the peace process when U.S. President Barack Obama took office, but over the past four years the Obama administration made no substantial progress in that regard.

[…]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2012-09/13/c_131848019.htm

September 13th, 2012, 1:30 am

 

Juergen said:

Interview with the director of the Islamic museum in Berlin ( they hold possesion of the famous Aleppo room, a wood decorated room which was taken from the house which now hosts the famous Bait Wakil hotel in Aleppo.)

Aleppo roadblocks of art treasures

Stefan Weber, Director of the Museum of Islamic Art in Berlin, talks about the threat of the unique towns of Aleppo and Damascus.

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fkultur%2F2012-08%2Faleppo-kulturschaetze-interview%2Fkomplettansicht

September 13th, 2012, 1:31 am

 

Juergen said:

Habib,

you may not have read it, but we had such reports from Gaza. But do we need an excuse for killing civilians ( aka terrorists) waiting for bread in front of bakeries? What military aim asks for that? Thats what the americans would call an shock an awe campaign, nothing else.

September 13th, 2012, 1:35 am

 

ann said:

Western attitude to terror attacks in Syria stuns Russia – 2012-09-12

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/12/c_131846637.htm

MOSCOW, Sept. 12 (Xinhua) — Western countries had adopted double standards in assessing terrorist actions in Syria, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said Wednesday.

“By blocking in the UN Security Council condemnation of the terror attacks in Syria, the Western countries have confirmed their double standards in assessing terrorists acts,” Gatilov wrote on Twitter.

The West categorized terrorists as “good” and “bad,” and believed the international community could turn a blind eye to attacks committed by these “good terrorists,” Gatilov said.

Russia submitted two draft statements at the UN Security Council (UNSC) on Monday condemning terror attacks in Syria and Iraq.

“This is puzzling that, due to the non-constructive position of a number of the UNSC members, the draft statement on terror attacks in (the Syrian city of) Aleppo has not been passed,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement, adding the Western arguments meant a departure from the UN principle that no terror actions could be justified.

“Such a position connives with terrorism and facilitates further escalation of violence in Syria,” it said.

Also Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called the Western attitude “regrettable” and “stunning.”

The UNSC always condemned terror attacks and stressed the act of terror was unacceptable, whatever the reasons behind it. This time, some Western countries diverted from that position after a bombing attack against Syria’s Security Service premises, Lavrov told reporters in the Kazakh capital of Astana.

“The West explained that this was not a terror attack in the full sense of the word. I was stunned with that,” he said.

[…]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/12/c_131846637.htm

September 13th, 2012, 1:40 am

 

Juergen said:

Ambassador Stevens about his mission in Libya

September 13th, 2012, 1:42 am

 

ann said:

WIll The Libyan Attacks Make The US Leery Of Intervening In Syria?

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/383674/20120912/chris-stevens-ambassador-libya-syria-syrian-uprising.htm

{…}

But then there’s Syria. The violence in that country has spilled over into neighboring Lebanon, and now, many fear, Egypt and Libya may next enter a period of similar unrest and turmoil.

If nothing else, it could greatly complicate the U.S. policy of nonintervention in Syria thus far, writes Ben Gilbert for Al-Monitor.

“This tragic incident will have ramifications both locally and regionally, and probably all but end any possibility of intervention in Syria,” Gilbert wrote.

“Images coming out of Libya look more like ‘Black Hawk Down’ than the Arab Spring. Except this time, it’s the guys we armed who did it. The beards and the black flags they’re flying sure look similar to the beards and black flags the Syrian rebels are flying.”

And given that a man who was trying to help the Libyans was just killed, the attacks may make the U.S. more skittish about intervening in Syria, under the assumption that there’s little that can be done, as Ian Black of the Guardian pointed out.

{…}

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/383674/20120912/chris-stevens-ambassador-libya-syria-syrian-uprising.htm

September 13th, 2012, 1:53 am

 

ann said:

“Give a man enough rope and he’ll hang himself.”

September 13th, 2012, 2:02 am

 

Uzair8 said:

41. jna

I see what you mean now by ‘implicated’.

I was agreeing with you regarding sending an email for certain comments to be deleted.

I just want to distance myself and not get involved in the actual purpose of the email.

September 13th, 2012, 2:24 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Akbar S Ahmed, former Pakistani Ambassador to UK, considered “the world’s leading authority on contemporary Islam” by the BBC*, made some good comments on radio:

“A lot of muslims in the muslim world, I write on this and study it, they really assume that anything coming out of the Unites States has the backing and support of the government because their own societies are so dominated by governments who in fact do control the media and therefore everything that happens around them is some how linked back to their own government. They assume the same about the United States…”

Listen from 7 min: [Available for 7 more days]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mkd85

Firstly, I have already expressed my sadness in a previous comment.

It is for truely representative governments to respond to any insults or provocations in a proper fashion (ie diplomatic channels). Not ignorant people taking things into their own hands and expressing futile and misdirected fury.

Only true leadership can straighten the affairs of the muslim people.

Ironically it was the US who propped up the dominant tyrants referred to in the above quote and thus helped create the situation
described in the quote.

* According to BBC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_S._Ahmed

September 13th, 2012, 2:36 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

17 VAT

“The sanctity of the Prophet supersedes his so-called principles.”

True. It does. But you don’t speak for the Prophet, VATTY. The Prophet can speak for himself without a half-educated plow horse like yourself explaining the Quran.

You’re not the decider, VATTY. You need to learn humility in the presence of the Prophet.

September 13th, 2012, 2:41 am

 

habib said:

111. Juergen

Reports from Gaza in the mainstream Western press are never that emotional and subjective. The editors wouldn’t allow it.

September 13th, 2012, 3:40 am

 
 

Mina said:

Could you guys stop posting from this garbage website “beforeitsnews”: the picture of “Islamists” dragging the ambassador was in every newspaper as “staff dragging the Ambassador”.

Plus he was not killed during the clashes in the night but in the early hours in the morning, as he had been brought to another location after being injured when trying to help the staff in the embassy to get out. It is the disclosure of this 2nd location that leads many to suspect “some Qaddafi loyalists or the Syrian intelligence”(of all people)

After watching some delighted with Morsi’s pictures meeting with the contact group on Syria, as if the guy was able to rule 15 acres of Egypt, when are we going to see him dismiss the Great Mufti of al-Azhar who had squarely accused some Copts of having financed the production of the racist insulting movie (a good hoax to divert people from the row between Netanyahu and Obama… didn’t occur to any that the guy’s name is Bacile and that the first thing he said is “Islam is a pest”?)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/heres-a-timeline-of-the-confusing-statements-on-libya-and-egypt/262264/

Houps, it looks like a Copt is implied
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/sam-bacile-israeli-jew-may-actually-be-nakoula-basseley-nakoula-coptic-christian/262316/

But I doubt either Ali Gomaa or Morsi will be able to pretend for long that they are running a country of 90 million people…

September 13th, 2012, 4:41 am

 

Mina said:

A Hareetz article exposes the well-known connections between some American Copts and the US extreme-right.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/california-man-confirms-role-in-anti-islam-film-that-sparked-deadly-libya-violence-1.464700

(…) Bacile told the AP he was an Israeli-born, 56-year-old, Jewish writer and director. But a Christian activist involved in the film project, Steve Klein, told AP on Wednesday that Bacile was a pseudonym and that he was Christian.

Klein had told the AP on Tuesday that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew who was concerned for family members who live in Egypt.

Officials in Israel said there was no record of Bacile as an Israeli citizen.
When the AP initially left a message for Bacile, Klein contacted the AP from another number to confirm the interview request was legitimate then Bacile called back from his own cell phone.

Klein said he didn’t know the real name of the man he called “Sam,” who came to him for advice on First Amendment issues.

About 15 key players from the Middle East — from Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran and a couple Coptic Christians from Egypt — worked on the film, Klein said.

“Most of them won’t tell me their real names because they’re terrified,” Klein said. “He was really scared and now he’s so nervous. He’s turned off his phone.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.

It quoted Klein as saying he believes that California is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells “who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can.”

In his brief interview with the AP, Bacile defiantly called Islam a cancer and said he intended the film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

But several key facts Bacile provided proved false or questionable. Bacile told AP he was 56 but identified himself on his YouTube profile as 74. Bacile said he is a real estate developer, but Bacile does not appear in searches of California state licenses, including the Department of Real Estate.

Hollywood and California film industry groups and permit agencies said they had no records of the project under the name “Innocence of Muslims,” but a Los Angeles film permit agency later found a record of a movie filmed in Los Angeles last year under the working title “Desert Warriors.”

A man who answered a phone listed for the Vine Theater, a faded Hollywood movie house, confirmed that the film had run for a least a day, and possibly longer, several months ago, arranged by a customer known as “Sam.”

Google Inc., which owns YouTube, pulled down the video Wednesday in Egypt, citing a legal complaint. It was still accessible in the U.S. and other countries. (…)

September 13th, 2012, 5:23 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Habib,

“Hmmm, “useful idiots” for locally forced secularism or for global religious fundamentalism? What’s better?”

Is that what you call Assad’s murderous regime? Locally forced secularism? What is secular about murdering 30 THOUSAND Syrians?

Keep defending the murderous thug, keep cheering the death of Syrians all for the fear of the unknown while completely disregarding the known in front of your eyes.

I think Jess Hill missed an integral part in her piece called “Assad’s useful Idiots”, she forgot the genocide enthusiasts that cheer the death of Syrians because they don’t happen to follow the same faith as they do….

September 13th, 2012, 6:51 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

The pain and destruction caused by the “forced secularism” shells raining down on innocent civilians.

Syria conflict: Qadour family’s lasting scars

By Caroline Hawley
BBC News, Amman

It was seven o’clock in the morning, and the Qadour family were asleep when a shell hit their home in Homs. Their house caught fire.

“The children were burning, and screaming,” says Abu Abdul Malik, who rushed into their bedroom.

“I ran after them and tried to take their clothes off to put the fire out. I didn’t feel the fire on my hands. I didn’t feel the pain. All I could think of was how to save them.”

His frantic efforts to rescue his children left him with second-degree burns on both his arms and hands.

His eldest son, six-year-old Abdul Malik, escaped with minor injuries because he was able to run away from the flames.

His sisters didn’t get away. Three-year-old Rahaf’s face and hands were burnt. Four-year-old Qamar suffered third degree burns on her legs and hands, and over most of her face.

Their hair was on fire.

“You can never erase that from your memory, ” says their mother. “You try to forget – but you can’t.”

Now, she tries to stop Qamar looking in the mirror.

“Once she did look in the mirror and saw herself and she said to me, ‘Mum, I’m Qamar, with the burned face. I used to be beautiful. What happened to me?” But I told her that she was still beautiful.”

[…]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19554875

September 13th, 2012, 7:02 am

 

Mina said:

Morsi… not for too long… Just as long as when the FSA will be in charge of the Palestinian refugee camps.

He didn’t blame the takfiris, but offered a new standard in international relations: the Prophet of Islam as a “red line”.

Could someone explain him about his line on the “Prophet of the Egyptians” that some people in his own country are not asked by their religion to recognize Mohammed as a Prophet?

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/52764/Egypt/Politics-/Morsi-condemns-attacks-on-US-diplomatic-missions-.aspx

(…) President Mohamed Morsi condemned Tuesday’s attacks on US diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi during a press conference in Brussels on Thursday.

He went on to condemn the anti-Islam film that sparked the attacks, describing any insult against the Prophet Mohamed as a “red line.”

“We Egyptians reject any kind of assault or insult against our prophet. I condemn and oppose all who… insult our prophet,” Morsi said. (…)

But the best line was still to come:
“Morsi said that he had spoken with US President Barack Obama and told him that it was necessary to put in place “legal measures which will discourage those seeking to damage relations… between the Egyptian and American people.””
An anti-UFO defense system?

September 13th, 2012, 7:25 am

 

Humanist said:

I think muslims, and especially sunnis, should react to things like these rather than a stupid movie:

http://balochwarna.com/xnews/articles.111/Eight-Baloch-political-prisoners-in-Iran-face-imminent-execution-.html

This is just one of many examples when muslims are hurt by other muslims or a regime claiming to represent islam, but for some reason you never see violent protests by islamists against them.

Maybe these “protesters” are just anti-American and anti Israel, not pro-islam/pro sunni or even pro salafist as they claim…

September 13th, 2012, 7:50 am

 

habib said:

123. Son of Damascus

Tsk, half have been killed by your Salafist friends, so right back at ya.

I’d rather live under a secular dictator than a Salafist theocrat.

Of course I’d prefer a democracy over both, but that ain’t gonna happen now with this dirty “opposition”.

126. Humanist

More Sunnis are executed by Saudi Arabia each week.

September 13th, 2012, 7:54 am

 

Tara said:

It is so sad and heartbreaking.  He wanted the best for Libya
——

“Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans,” read a poster carried by an admirer in Benghazi, a Twitter image showed. “Sorry, people of America, this is not the behavior of our Islam and prophet,” read another.

At consulate in Libya, a model diplomat is lost
U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens was idealistic, eager and brave, and seen by some in Benghazi as ‘a friend to all Libyans.’

WASHINGTON — J. Christopher Stevens was in many ways the model American diplomat, committed, idealistic, willing to take risks and eager to find out what was really happening in obscure corners of the world.

A lanky 52-year-old Californian, with a burst of brown hair, Stevens also looked the part.

“He was always smiling, unruffled, projecting what I think of as a cool California demeanor, in the best sense,” said Robert Danin, a former Middle East hand at the State Department who worked closely with Stevens.

A UC Berkeley graduate who was confirmed as ambassador to Libya in May, Stevens well knew the dangers inherent in his hands-on style.

From 2007 to 2009, he served as the No. 2 U.S. diplomat in Tripoli after the U.S. resumed diplomatic relations with Col. Moammar Kadafi’s government. And last year, during the height of the revolution that eventually toppled Kadafi, he secretly slipped back into Libya aboard a Greek cargo ship to serve as U.S. envoy to the rebels battling the strongman.

“We had a bombing at the Tibesti [Hotel] the other day — a reminder that Benghazi isn’t safe,” he emailed an acquaintance in June 2011, referring to the building where he and other diplomats were staying.

On Tuesday, in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, the lawyer-turned-diplomat became the first American ambassador to die in the line of duty since 1988. Three other Americans were also killed in the assault by heavily armed attackers in violence that followed a street protest outside the American facility in eastern Libya.

Stevens’ friends and superiors, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and President Obama, said Wednesday that his rush to help evacuate others from the building was a reminder of his commitment to the country.

“He risked his life to stop a tyrant, and gave his life trying to build a better Libya,” Clinton said in an emotional appearance at the State Department. “The world needs more Chris Stevenses.”

Stevens grew up in the East Bay community of Piedmont, graduated from UC Berkeley in 1982 and UC Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco in 1989. His first service overseas was as a Peace Corps volunteer in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco.

He was the son of a lawyer, Jan Stevens, and a now-retired Marin Symphony cellist, Mary Commanday.

His stepfather, Robert Commanday, a former classical music critic for the San Francisco Chronicle, when asked about his stepson’s musical pursuits, told a classical music website that Stevens “played saxophone, about at the Bill Clinton level, but marginally in public.” He also was a tennis player and a Lakers fan, passions that he tried to maintain in Libya.

After law school, Stevens worked for two years as an international trade attorney in Washington. But it didn’t satisfy him, and at the relatively late age of 31, he joined the foreign service.

Stevens revealed a bit of himself, and a bit of the diplomat’s art, in a video he prepared for the Libyans and displayed on the embassy’s Facebook page before he arrived in the country to take on the ambassador’s post.

The video, which shows Libyans exulting at their new liberty, has shots of Stevens as a young man, tramping through California mountains wearing a backward baseball cap, and celebrating with his family at his law school graduation.

He was also pictured in a more contemporary scene strolling through official Washington, posing in front of Congress and gazing at the statue in the Lincoln Memorial. “I look forward to watching Libya develop equally strong institutions of government,” he said.

When he was confirmed as ambassador in May, he said he considered it “an extraordinary honor.”

Fluent in French and Arabic, Stevens previously worked in a variety of Middle Eastern posts, including ones in Jerusalem; Cairo; Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; and Washington.

Colleagues described him as friendly, casual and rarely rattled. He also was candid, a trait that won him fans among Arabs and a following among journalists who covered Middle East hot spots.

Stevens had a yearning to mingle with Arabs to get a street level view of events, and he sometimes chafed about the post-Sept. 11 security measures that sometimes prevented diplomats from reaching far into the hinterland. As political officer in Jerusalem, given the oft-touchy assignment of working with the Palestinian leadership, he tried to get out into the West Bank even when violence flared between Palestinians and Israelis.

Stevens relished contacts, even with some of the region’s unsavory personalities. In one of the U.S. diplomatic cables released by the WikiLeaks website, Stevens described Kadafi as “notoriously mercurial” but also, on occasion, “an engaging and charming interlocutor.”

The impression he made among Libyans was apparent on Wednesday.

“Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans,” read a poster carried by an admirer in Benghazi, a Twitter image showed. “Sorry, people of America, this is not the behavior of our Islam and prophet,” read another.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-stevens-20120913,0,6676761.story

 

September 13th, 2012, 8:20 am

 

Humanist said:

Habib,
“More Sunnis are executed by Saudi Arabia each week.”
No, it can’t be true.

1. Only China has more executions/year than Iran
( see for example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8194230/Iran-second-only-to-China-for-executions.html)

2. A very big % of all executions in Iran takes place in Sistan-Balochestan, which is a majority sunni region (the only except Kurdistan).

September 13th, 2012, 8:23 am

 

Albo said:

SOD> start by rejecting the extreme backwardness permeating islamic societies, denounce te infiltration of foreign jihadist in Syria then I will listen to your political options.

Until it happens, you’re just taking sides in a civil war and there’s no need to use humanitarian pretenses.

September 13th, 2012, 8:23 am

 

Erin said:

Islam, Muslims, Islamists! what the heck with you, all stone aged following religion goes back to the stone age.
Do you really believe that god gave Mohamed anything it is all imagination and man made, like any other religion.
wake up and live the moment, you are chasing something doesn’t exist.
if you drink, eat pork you are not gonna die but smoking like chain will make you die, ask your prophet, he may heard from God that smoking kills.
having Sex with too many women will give you AIDS in the 21st centruy so don’t do what your prophet did.
America is using your stupid brain to help Israel control the middle east for centuries to come.
the only dumb is you.
Hola Baby, Gracie.

September 13th, 2012, 8:49 am

 

habib said:

129. Humanist

It can easily be true, note I didn’t mention mere executions, but “most executions of Sunnis” specifically.

130. Albo

Well said. In other news, the Free Salafist Army is already killing their friends:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/world/middleeast/killing-of-rebel-with-qaeda-links-opens-debate-on-syrian-opposition.html?_r=3&ref=middleeast

September 13th, 2012, 8:56 am

 

VISITOR said:

The pattern of US embassy attacks in Cairo and Benghazi and now in Yemen may indicate an Iranian and perhaps Assad agents involvement behind it as the objective of these attacks seem to be creating a replay of the 1980 takeover of the US embassy in Tehran. We all know that mullah Iran refers to the Arab Spring as an extension of its own so-called revolution. However, recent events have given the mullah a reality check that the case may not be so. What is better for the cause of the mullahs and Assad than creating a US embassy takeover like the Carter era saga in Tehran?

On the other hand, Sunnis worldwide must seriously consider that mullah Iran is the real enemy due to its continued repression of Sunnis in Iran as well as the Arab population of Ahwaz which is all but forgotten by everyone. The US is still guilty of allowing bigots and fanatics to go unpunished and it is time US lawmakers should start thinking of imposing some serious penalties on those who misuse the so-called freedom of speech so dear to the likes of Krauthammer.

Uzair,
Akbar S. Ahmad is wrong about being apologetic on behalf of the US. This is not the first time that Americans misbehaved badly in the name of free speech. The US government must do something about it other than just mere condemnation or invoking the mantra of free speech. The Muslims have the right to be angry at such behavior, and there are international laws and agreements that prohibit the instigation of hatred.

September 13th, 2012, 8:59 am

 

Mina said:

Visitor,
So for you, Ali Gomaa, the Great Mufti of Egypt, accusing the Copts on 9th September for the production of this film, was actually preparing the “cunning plan” to unfold?

Habib,
It’s like in Afghanistan: they are now competing in raising money through kidnappings and had to launch a hotline to gather information
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9528698/Epidemic-of-kidnappings-breaks-out-in-Syria.html

September 13th, 2012, 9:20 am

 

VISITOR said:

134 Mina,

If you’re referring to the mullah’s master plan, we all know it is there since Khomeini landed in Tehran in 1980. We do not need the Great Mufti to remind us of it.

But I did not say that the Copts are part of this plan. However, nine of those involved in the production of this hatred movie are Copts. Fortunately they are living in the US and not in Egypt. They should be subject to prosecution by the US. But, if they ever travel to Egypt then they will be arrested and tried accordingly. The reaction of the Egyptian Copts, on the other hand, was very admirable. In fact, they wre the first to condemn the bigots.

September 13th, 2012, 9:44 am

 

Tara said:

I agree that the US and the western world must legislate and prohibit incitement and hatred disguised under free speech. Free speech when you offend billion of people is not free speech. It is sinister and evil. Just like Europe prosecutesHolocaust deniers, people who incite hatred against Islam must be prosecuted, forced to pay money or imprisoned so people like Terry Jones and Islamophobe Copts and others think again.

That is of course not to say, that violent act in retaliation should be tolerated. There is no excuse for it whatsoever.

September 13th, 2012, 9:48 am

 

Erin said:

To those who are upset about the free speech issue and the insult to Islam, look at what Islam is doing in the wrold and stop wolfcry, you are exposed for centuries.
Hindus are being slaved in Pakistan, young hindus girls are being sold for sex and trafficing. Insulting religions is the job of Muslims, the only difference that others don’t react in barbiric way. Other relegions have tolerated Islam barberic work for centureis, christianity is too soft,weak and naive to defend itself, it may take again the Hindus to stop the islam in the west.

In Africa Islam causing more wars by the spread of the Wahabis money.
in the west, Radicals are infesting every society they allowed in.

September 13th, 2012, 10:17 am

 

ann said:

Why today?! Damage control?!

Al Qaeda leader urges support for ousting Syria’s Assad – Thu Sep 13, 2012

(Reuters) – Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri has called on all Muslims to back the rebels in Syria, saying the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad would bring them closer to the ultimate goal of defeating Israel, according to an audio recording posted on the Internet on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-alqaeda-zawahri-idUSBRE88C0KT20120913

September 13th, 2012, 10:19 am

 

zoo said:

USA increasingly unease with Egypt’s Morsi

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/world/middleeast/egypt-not-libya-may-be-bigger-challenge-for-white-house.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

The president Obama found less reason to be pleased with Egypt, the second-largest recipient of American foreign aid after Israel, at $2 billion a year. Mr. Morsi issued only a mild rebuke of the rioters — and on Facebook — while his movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, has called for a second day of protests against the lurid anti-Muslim video that set off the riots. And though the Egyptian police coordinated with American officials, Mr. Morsi waited 24 hours before issuing his statement against the militants who stormed the embassy; Libyan authorities issued immediate, unequivocal statements of regret for the bloodshed in Benghazi.
..
Mr. Morsi’s belated reaction came after other actions that have troubled American officials, from his decision to attend a meeting of nonaligned countries in Tehran to his choice of China for one of his first overseas trips. Mr. Obama has pledged to forgive $1 billion in Egyptian debt.

Martin S. Indyk, a former United States ambassador to Israel. “On the one hand, you didn’t have Americans getting killed, but this was the fourth time an embassy was assaulted in Cairo with the Egyptian police doing precious little,” Mr. Indyk said. “And where was President Morsi’s condemnation of this?”

“How does the president go to the Hill and say, ‘We need to forgive $1 billion in Egyptian debt?’ “ said Steven A. Cook, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

September 13th, 2012, 10:27 am

 

zoo said:

#139 Ann

It is as if Ayman Al Zawahiri is on Bashar’s payroll

September 13th, 2012, 10:28 am

 

Erin said:

Ya keep bringing them to Syria where they will meet the promised virgins very soon.
I think every radical who dies in Syria should have an extra virgin in heaven! but I meant extra virgin oil.
Wahabi, radical destroying Syria at best, even the syrians don’t want them in Majority but they are taking over similar to other fascists arab spring country.
that doesn’t mean the regime of Bashar Alassad is democratic but it means we are replacing a dictorship with evil.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-alqaeda-zawahri-idUSBRE88C0KT20120913

September 13th, 2012, 10:30 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Visitor & Tara (#133 &#136)

I can’t disagree with you.

September 13th, 2012, 10:30 am

 

ann said:

Syria: Patriarch, Pope will call to stop arming belligerents

All peoples have right to demand reform, Maronite Patriarch Rai

13 September, 2012

http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/nations/lebanon/2012/09/13/Syria-Patriarch-Pope-call-stop-arming-belligerents_7469867.html

(ANSAmed) – BEIRUT, SEPTEMBER 13 – Pope Benedict XVI will call on the world to stop arming belligerents in the Syrian crisis when he visits Lebanon, Lebanon’s National News Agency (NNA) quoted Maronite Catholic Patriarch Bishara Boutros al-Rai as saying on Thursday.

Speaking from the Maronite Patriarchate in Bkerke, north of the capital, Rai said that “The pope will definitely call for an end to the spiral of violence and hatred, and for those who finance and arm both sides in the conflict to stop doing so”.

The patriarch spoke a day before the pontiff arrives in Lebanon for a three-day visit. His words on Syria and the fate of its Christian minorities are anxiously awaited in this country, which has been under Syrian military and political tutelage for 29 years.

Rai, who leads the largest Christian community in Lebanon, stated a week ago that Syrian Christians want stability, and do not support the regime of embattled President Bashar al-Assad per se.

[…]

http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/nations/lebanon/2012/09/13/Syria-Patriarch-Pope-call-stop-arming-belligerents_7469867.html

September 13th, 2012, 10:33 am

 

zoo said:

Mohammad Mursi’s Dangerous Gamble and the Withering of Democracy in Egypt?

by Joshua Tucker on September 13, 2012
http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/09/13/mohammad-mursis-dangerous-gamble-and-the-withering-of-democracy-in-egypt


Citizens are thus monitoring Mursi’s government with a careful eye. Will the Muslim Brotherhood act recklessly? What about the peace treaty with Israel? Will the Muslim Brotherhood upset the region’s chief patron, the US? What would then become of the economic and military assistance that the country vitally depends on? Worse, will Egypt risk alienation and sanctions if the Muslim Brotherhood disrupts the “stable” status quo in the region?[2]

The future course of Egyptian democratization will therefore be influenced by the perception of American reactions to current political developments. And these reactions will largely be shaped by levels of anti-Americanism. If anti-Americanism increases, I anticipate a tumultuous process of democratization, as increasing number of citizens will worry about alienating the United States and be tempted to seek “authoritarian” protections. If Mursi keeps flirting with anti-Americanism he won’t just lose the United States; he will lose Egyptians too.

September 13th, 2012, 10:34 am

 

VISITOR said:

137,

Islam is a one of the greatest civilizations of mankind. Your likes are not going to make a dent in this history or the great status of Islam. I assure you it will outlast all others.

I suggest you shove it or swallow it whichever way you prefer.

September 13th, 2012, 10:47 am

 

Albo said:

145,

then stop giving arguments to people like Luttwak in this widely quoted article:

“That brings us to the mistake that the rest of us make. We devote far too much attention to the middle east, a mostly stagnant region where almost nothing is created in science or the arts—excluding Israel, per capita patent production of countries in the middle east is one fifth that of sub-Saharan Africa. The people of the middle east (only about five per cent of the world’s population) are remarkably unproductive, with a high proportion not in the labour force at all. Not many of us would care to work if we were citizens of Abu Dhabi, with lots of oil money for very few citizens. But Saudi Arabia’s 27m inhabitants also live largely off the oil revenues that trickle down to them, leaving most of the work to foreign technicians and labourers: even with high oil prices, Saudi Arabia’s annual per capita income, at $14,000, is only about half that of oil-free Israel.

Saudi Arabia has a good excuse, for it was a land of oasis hand-farmers and Bedouin pastoralists who cannot be expected to become captains of industry in a mere 50 years. Much more striking is the oil parasitism of once much more accomplished Iran. It exports only 2.5m barrels a day as compared to Saudi Arabia’s 8m, yet oil still accounts for 80 per cent of Iran’s exports because its agriculture and industry have become so unproductive.

The middle east was once the world’s most advanced region, but these days its biggest industries are extravagant consumption and the venting of resentment. According to the UN’s 2004 Arab human development report, the region boasts the second lowest adult literacy rate in the world (after sub-Saharan Africa) at just 63 per cent. Its dependence on oil means that manufactured goods account for just 17 per cent of exports, compared to a global average of 78 per cent. Moreover, despite its oil wealth, the entire middle east generated under 4 per cent of global GDP in 2006—less than Germany.

Unless compelled by immediate danger, we should therefore focus on the old and new lands of creation in Europe and America, in India and east Asia—places where hard-working populations are looking ahead instead of dreaming of the past.”

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/themiddleofnowhere/

Jews like Luttwak must be laughing even harder at Arabs and Muslims massacring each others and calling for the implementation of ever more backward policies.

September 13th, 2012, 11:05 am

 

zoo said:

“Mr Obama has many questions to answer on how he allowed the embassy to be overrun.”

Who lost Libya? The US must now worry about losing Syria

Alan Philps
Sep 14, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/who-lost-libya-the-us-must-now-worry-about-losing-syria#page2
…..
What may stick in the mind of the voter is that Mr Stevens is the first US ambassador to be killed since the administration of Jimmy Carter, who was blindsided and humiliated by the Iranian revolution. And the message from TV is that Arabs’ brief honeymoon as members of the Facebook generation is over. Now they have reverted to the 1970s stereotype of people who fire wildly with Kalashnikovs. And that, in the popular imagination, is not a plus for America.
….
This is not to say that Mr Obama is free of guilt. It was reckless to leave the Benghazi consulate protected by half a dozen Libyan guards of dubious loyalty. Last month, the State Department warned US citizens to avoid Libya for all but essential travel, describing it as place of political violence and militia battles. Only the State Department appears to have failed to heed to its own advice.
…Mr Obama has many questions to answer on how he allowed the embassy to be overrun. But if the charge is that he blundered into regime change without knowing what to do next, then he is hardly alone: Mr Bush did the same in Iraq, and that was a long-planned war of choice.

Libya can sort itself out in time. The real issue is elsewhere: what if, in the course of a long civil war in Syria, the jihadist element in the opposition takes the ascendant and seizes power in Damascus? Then “Who lost Syria?” will be a real question, and the whole world will want to know the answer.

September 13th, 2012, 11:07 am

 

ann said:

Yemeni protesters storm U.S. embassy in Sanaa: witnesses – 17 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/yemeni-protesters-storm-u-embassy-sanaa-witnesses-085414831.html

September 13th, 2012, 11:17 am

 

jna said:

133. VISITOR said:
“The US government must do something about it other than just mere condemnation or invoking the mantra of free speech.”

Free speech in the US is not a mantra. It is the right of U.S. citizens guaranteed by the Constitution. It is about as sacred to many Americans as Mohammed is to many Muslims. Just as Muslims reject the notion that a crazy Muslim represents Islam, so Americans reject the notion that a crazy American represents the US. What’s so hard to understand about this?

September 13th, 2012, 11:17 am

 

DAWOUD said:

Now, that President Morsi is demanding the departure of Syria’s war criminal “president,” Hizbillat and Hasan Nasrillat’s American apologists/translators are rejecting revolutionary Egypt. They seem to long for Mubarak’s years!
I like how President Morsi went to Tehran and told the ayatollahs what they did not want to hear. Yes, he lectured them on Syria and indirectly reminded them that they could not have any friendship with Egypt and the Arabs while they insult and curse Abu Bakr and Omar ibn-al-Khatab.

Free Syria, Free Palestine! Bahrain is Arab forever!

P.S., your anti-spam comment character is now assuming that we all know math. Those who claim that Bashar is not a war criminal and and a dictator may not realize that 2 plus 2 =4 🙂

September 13th, 2012, 11:17 am

 

vigilante said:

visitor

“Islam is a one of the greatest civilizations of mankind.”

Yes, I agree, mostly due to the contributions of the Persians

September 13th, 2012, 11:18 am

 

Mina said:

“Model Democratic Yemen” just had 100,000+ demos against Saleh’s immunity and his role in the instability of the country, and a bomb attack against the defense minister that claimed 12 lives, but of course, that didn’t get to the frontpage. Now, the attack on the US embassy does. And in the next days, just wait for the huge demos in Pakistan etc. Remind me of the demos agains the Prophet’s cartoons while the real scandal on the frontpage of Western newspapers was torture at Abu Ghraib.
http://www.yementimes.com/en/1606/news/1380/BREAKING-Bombings-Outside-Cabinet-Leave-12-Dead-Defense-Minister-Unharmed.htm

September 13th, 2012, 11:21 am

 

VISITOR said:

149,

Who said we find it hard to understand?

But what makes so-called free speech sacred? it is not. It is just free speech. When it is abused it must be punished by law. What makes it so hard for you to understand.

Do you find it so hard to understand where your freedom ends?

Everyone knows the answer except you it seems!

September 13th, 2012, 11:22 am

 

Uzair8 said:

If our leaders truely represented us there wouldn’t be such issues. For example Saudi could just cut of oil. The US wouldn’t give a damn about freedom of speech then.

September 13th, 2012, 11:27 am

 

ann said:

Russia sees no role for U.N.’s Chapter VII on Syria – 2012-09-13

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/13/c_131849183.htm

MOSCOW, Sept. 13 (Xinhua) — Russia saw no reason for the U.N. Security Council to pass a resolution on Syria based on a chapter of the U.N. Charter that allowed the use of force, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Thursday.

“Some countries, which want to make external military interventions in Syria, are trying to foist a resolution with reference to Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, which stipulates enforcement measures against breaching countries,” Lavrov told a local magazine, Foreign Affairs, here.

“But we are dealing with an internal conflict and there is no reason to intervene in favor of one side. It is necessary to make all confronting sides in Syria stop fighting immediately and sit at the negotiating table,” Lavrov said.

He said the U.N. Security Council had already passed two resolutions on Syria, as well as a communique adopted by an action group in Geneva on June 30, which envisaged a Syrian-led transition.

“We proposed to approve the Geneva communique at the U.N. Security Council, but the U.S. has refused because it didn’t contain threats, one-sided assessments and sanctions against the (Syrian) regime. It contained a balanced approach aimed at stopping violence in Syria,” the diplomat said.

Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter allows the U.N. Security Council to use force in the face of a threat to peace or aggression, taking “such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security,” including blockades and other operations by the forces of member states.

[…]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/13/c_131849183.htm

September 13th, 2012, 11:28 am

 

zoo said:

A new dictatorship for Egypt?

Arabic News Digest
Sep 14, 2012

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/a-new-dictatorship-for-egypt

The five factors that are creating a new type of dictatorship in Egypt after the revolution

Egyptian media reports of President Mohammed Morsi’s activities have been replete with hypocrisy, a sign that the process of “manufacturing a dictator” is in full swing, Egyptian novelist Alaa Aswani wrote in an opinion piece in the Cairo-based Al Masry Al Youm.

The writer listed five main factors of the coming dictatorship.

First, the machine of dictatorship. Mr Morsi has inherited the entire system of the former president, Hosni Mubarak. This includes devices to torture, arrest and murder as well as a corrupt media built on allegiance to the regime and government bodies to sing the president’s praises.

After Mr Morsi took office news editors, regional governors and a minister of information, all indebted to the Muslim Brotherhood, were appointed. Now a new emergency law is being prepared to serve the new president. Reliable sources assert that senior officials at the state security service are ingratiating themselves with the Brotherhood leadership and apologising for their crimes under the Mubarak regime.

Second, human weakness. No matter how modest a man might be, power can lead him to accept even hypocritical applause, and deem every compliment true. Mr Morsi’s ordinary visit to China was portrayed in the media as a world-changing feat. And an unknown association granted him an international peace award.

Third, the secret group. “President Morsi belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood, a secret organisation shrouded in mystery,” Aswani wrote. “We do not know the borderlines between the presidency and the Brotherhood’s Guidance Bureau, nor those between the president and the Brotherhood leader.”

How many members are there in the Brotherhood? Do they have a military wing? Do they receive foreign funds? All these questions remain unanswered, the writer noted.

Fourth, religious legacy. “President Morsi is an Islamist, and so he evokes Islamic heritage in his speeches and views. This is understandable. But the problem is that the citizen-ruler relationship in the Islamic heritage involves two contradictory concepts.”

One concept is tantamount to democracy, and best exemplified in Caliphs Abu Bakr and Omar, who set an example of the ruler as an ordinary man at the service of citizens. But the other concept teaches people to obey even an unjust corrupt ruler.

Fifth, Stockholm syndrome. Egyptians who got along well under Mubarak still sympathise with him, but the eye-opener is that some who suffered still show sympathy. Recently however, some of them have turned towards Mr Morsi and justify all his actions, no matter what they are.

“The mission of the revolution now, in my eye,” the writer concluded, “is to prevent the creation of new a tyrant, so that we can build the democracy for which our martyrs

September 13th, 2012, 11:33 am

 

erin said:

@145

Islamic civilization was great bc of the arab christians were involved in it! not because of the retards ideology. since the spread of Islam by sword and force world never had peace.
it is everywhere in the world there is a hot spot at the current time you find the unpeacefull religion involved.
OBL read Quran correctly and he is acting on killing everyone who is Kafir bc Islam should dominate the world.
you are more than retard if you still believe in the teaching of Quran, people in the 21st century, bypassed this ackward teaching and moved on into humanity and peace between all mankind.

beside, remember that there have been other great civilizations and all are gone now, stop crying over your past. in the real world the only thing you export is terrorism and retard ideology.
if Arabs didn’t have oil by luck, they would have been still eating manure off the sand.

September 13th, 2012, 11:46 am

 

VISITOR said:

156,

Islamic civilization was and is still great on its own. And it will remain so on its own.

It did not need any Christian element to achieve its greatness. In fact, Christians of the ME and elsewhere benefited and still benefit from Islam.

If you do not like that then go and do what I told you to do in 145. The only one who is retraded here is YOU.

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Mrs Clinton condemns the hate movie,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/13/237825.html

That is not enough Mrs. Clinton. Get your Congress and Senate to do something about a recurring issue. Comply with International Law and Agreements.

September 13th, 2012, 12:04 pm

 

Mina said:

For those who didn’t live the Iranian revolution, some glimpses (and matter for parallels with the Arab Spring and its aftermaths) can be found in the first half of Marjane Satrapi’s Persepolis (the film that Tunisian TV banned right after the revolution last year). It is available on Youtube.

September 13th, 2012, 12:05 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Prophet Film Aimed for Egyptian Disunity
12 September 2012

Abdel Bari Atwan

[…]

The film that some of those who watched it describe as weak and deliberately provocative, is a scheme to foment sedition by instigating sectarian conflict and spreading hatred among the sons of the same country, particularly at this critical juncture through which the Egyptian revolution is passing after succeeding in overthrowing the regime of corruption and dictatorship. The Egyptian people demonstrated a high degree of awareness regarding the motives of those who are behind this incitement, namely the desire to torpedo Egyptian national unity in the interest of the enemies of Egypt and, indeed, all Arab countries. That is why all the Egyptian churches and their spiritual leaders released statements condemning this suspect film which was produced by an Egyptian Coptic Christian, living in the US, and funded by Israeli businessmen. It is noteworthy that large numbers of Egyptian Copts stood alongside their Muslim brethren to demonstrate in front of the US Embassy yesterday to express their rejection of this vilification and those that stand behind it and to express their solidarity with their Muslim brethren.

[…]

http://www.abdelbariatwan.com/ProphetFilmAimedatEgyptianDisunity.htm

September 13th, 2012, 12:15 pm

 

Tara said:

Hans AKA Erin

Why is the change in your name gender? I am curious..

I thought of changing my name too. Getting bored. I like new things but wil keep in the same gender.

September 13th, 2012, 12:26 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Uzair @153
“If our leaders truely represented us there wouldn’t be such issues. For example Saudi could just cut off oil. The US wouldn’t give a damn about freedom of speech then.”

Conversely the US might stop giving a damn about International Law: the US aided by Britain and maybe even all of western Europe (and Israel, clandestinely) would promptly form another “coalition of the willing” and announce that the cutting off of oil amounted to an act of aggression, then go on to invade Saudi Arabia and put all the oil production facilities under an “International non-politicized non-aligned force for the security of the world economy”. It happened before: the US wanted to fight Japan in WW2, but did not want to be the one to declare war, so it cut off oil supplies and other industrial and natural resource exports to Japan and just waited. WHAM!…Pearl Harbor.

Now as to the attacks on the US consulate and the lynching of the poor ambassador and the other yanks, it’s probably been suggested by someone else here already (haven’t had time to read all the posts), but unfortunately we-Arabs- are really dumb! We (and the US admin.) just fell right into the trap set up by our old and dear friend Israel. You’ve heard about the Israeli/Amer. guy who made the film and how he got 5 million in donations to make it from other Zionists. The whole thing was planned from a to z, the timing of the release, the researched and possibly even the instigated reaction (not that our masses of dumb, ready-to-blow-their-top bunch of أغبياء idiots need any instigating) then agents were likely sent to pay those who would love to kill an American or two, show them the secret hiding location and just let them loose.

The Arabs and Muslims were set up, Obama was set up, and we delivered real big. The whole thing is mainly about embarrassing Obama and showing him to be weak and REALLY A CLOSET MUSLIM who is a wimp that won’t do anything even when American diplomats are lynched by fanatical Muslim mobs. And look how it’splaying out in the US now. And of course to show the world the nature of Muslims. Fell right into the trap.

People want to protest? Sure, by all means, but protest peacefully, find out who really is responsible and sue their ass. People want to fight, why don’t they go and attack Israel, because that’s what the film maker admitted he made the damn thing for: to make a political statement to defend his beloved country and the Zionist ideology.

Or as someone else said, they could go and get mad at Assad and his thugs who have been killing and maiming Muslims for 18 months, destroying mosques as well as churches and burning Qurans
and bibles and damaging irreplaceable cultural and religious heritage sites all over Syria…where was their rage?

September 13th, 2012, 12:29 pm

 

ghufran said:

معهد دراسات استراتيجية بريطاني يرجح بقاء الأسد في الحكم فترة طويلة

2012-09-13 06:08:31

قال خبراء المعهد الدولي للدراسات الاستراتيجية في لندن ان الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد سيظل في الحكم فترة طويلة رغم الضغط الخارجي والداخلي.
وأصدر المعهد في 13 ايلول/سبتمبر 2012 تقريره السنوي بعنوان “الابحاث الاستراتيجية 2012: تقرير سنوي عن العلاقات الدولية”. وتضمن التقرير ملحقا كاملا عن الوضع في سورية حيث تستعر حرب اهلية حمل عنوان “التدخل الخارجي لا يزال موضوع النقاش لكنه يبدوا مستبعدا”.
وقال اميل هوكايم أحد خبراء المعهد في عرض التقرير ان الكثيرين لا يعطون امكانية الرئيس بشار الاسد على الصمود حقها.
وأشار الى ان هروب رئيس الوزراء السوري واغتيال عدد من القادة العسكريين الرئيسيين القربين للنظام لم يكسرا عزيمة الاسد.
كما قال هوكايم انه في ضوء استمرار الاشتباكات المسلحة بين القوات الموالية للرئيس السوري والمعارضة في المدن السورية الكبيرة “لا مجال لحل الازمة في القريب العاجل
I hope the predictions are all wrong, I find it very hard to believe that Assad can stay president after all of that destruction, it is unlikely also that his opponents will stop making attempts on his life. for the sake of Syria,I hope that he resigns and let somebody else manage the mess he helped to create.

September 13th, 2012, 12:36 pm

 

VISITOR said:

# 161

Irrelevant and illogical.

September 13th, 2012, 12:37 pm

 

Tara said:

A-S-S-A-D

I Do not know this was a yet another Zionist conspiracy. Aside than that, I agree with your evaluation of us being a mass of dumbs ready to be herded and to adopt a cause, fighting shadows and not confronting the real enemies within us. It is so pathetic..

I still insist that our pathetic state of affair is related to our long standing oppression where we as masses have never learned free thinking, instead always always being herded by our governments, patents, teachers, preachers etc. a unique individual identities are what we miss.

September 13th, 2012, 12:49 pm

 

jna said:

“Do you find it so hard to understand where your freedom ends?”

Visitor, my freedom ends where American courts find it ends, under law. And not before. Too bad if it offends you.

September 13th, 2012, 12:51 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

Russia sees no role for U.N.’s Chapter VII on Syria – 2012-09-13
________________________________________________________________

Russians are smart and sticking to International law. Foreign backed invasion and occupation of another country is not how resolution of an internal conflict can be accomplished. Internal conflicts are not for the United Nations to resolve, it is for the people to do so. This beg the question, for all the media coverage, international support, hundredth of millions and weapon delivery, why all that failed to even force Assad to the conference table? The morons who plotted, failed miserably. NOW WHAT?

September 13th, 2012, 12:59 pm

 

zoo said:

The FSA and the SNC accuse the international community for the presence of Al Qaeda groups within their ranks and ask for the official recognition of the FSA to ensure the exclusivity of weapons

Syrian rebels condemn attacks on US embassies

13/09/2012
By Caroline Akoum and Layal Abu Rihal
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31059

Beirut, Asharq Al-Awsat – Deputy Chief of Staff of the opposition Free Syrian Army [FSA], Colonel Aref Hamoud…
As for whether he fears the rise of Al Qaeda in Syria, the FSA Deputy Chief of Staff asserted that “anything is possible after the Syrian arena has become open due to the lack of action of the international community with regards to all the massacres that are being committed by the regime.” He added “there can be no doubt that it has become a fertile ground for various groups, including extremist Salafist groups.” Hamoud stressed that “so far, these groups are a minority and are not of the same level as the Al Qaeda organization, however if the international community continue to ignore the Syrian people’s cause, there can be no doubt that such groups will appear and spread [across Syria].”

He also said that the Syrian people’s belief that the international community has forgotten about them will push them towards religion, and therefore to groups that raise the banner of religion. Colonel Hamoud called on the international community to officially recognize the FSA and fund it to allow it to be the sole body authorized to carry weapons in Syria.

For his part, Syrian National Council member Samir Satouf confirmed that Al Qaeda is present on the ground in Syria, although under a variety of different names. He informed Asharq Al-Awsat that Bashar al-Assad had been funding these Al Qaeda affiliates – with the knowledge of the West – since before the revolution.

He said “the extremist Syrian groups that are present on the ground are no different than Al Qaeda; extremism is the brother of extremism. We have information that confirms that al-Assad funded the extremists who are cooperating with Al Qaeda, and that he previously and continues to provide them with arms, which are being smuggled into Syria under the protection of Syrian security.”

September 13th, 2012, 1:05 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

ان الاسلام افضل دين وإنما المسلمين اليوم لآحقر متدينين لعنكم الله يا واطين انكم مهزلة الشعوب

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ياأهل العار والوطاوية والخذل ماعيب على المسلمين في ليبيا ومصر يقبضو قرش واحد من امريكا ليش ما السعودية تتكفل بكل حاجة المسلمين الملّحة على الأقل ان يقوم الحاكم الغير شرعي اليهودي ابن السعود يتبرع فقط البلغ اللذي نهبه من المسلمين الحجأج لمكّة على الأقلّ ليش يترك المسلمين بحاجة يشحدو ويتدينو بالفائضة المحرمة في الشريعة الاسلامية من بنوك اليهود والصهيونية والكافرين وغير المؤمنين مو هاذا حرام يامنحرفين اسلامييين ؟ العار عليكم وعلى امة الرسول محمد على هذه الوطاوية الحقيرة اللعنة عليكم اذا لايقوم هذا اليهودي اللذي يتحكم في الحرمين الشريفين في تكفل مساعدة كل مسلم والأمة الاسلامية كاملآ متكملآ يجب عليكم بأمر من النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وسلّم ان تجاهدو في الحرب لطرده من ديار الاسلام

September 13th, 2012, 1:09 pm

 

Mina said:

#159 I still cannot understand what Abdel Bari Atwan makes of Al-Azhar’s Great Mufti statement about the film on the 9th September which basically called for lynching the Copts…

As for the FSA blaming everybody for the presence of al Qaeda, it seems their solution is that AQ stays in Iraq and Afghanistan solely, while Syrian borders should be sealed and protected?

September 13th, 2012, 1:09 pm

 

VISITOR said:

165 said,

“Visitor, my freedom ends where American courts find it ends, under law. And not before. Too bad if it offends you.”

You can rest assured that your likes can never offend me.

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168,

Because we do not like Antoun and those like him. Happily he was executed.
Ibn Saud, on the other hand, is great and we are happy with him.

September 13th, 2012, 1:14 pm

 

Observer said:

In Germany you go to jail if you insult someone as “dirty Jew” and likewise in France you go to jail if you express “anti semitic” opinions or deny the holocaust.

In the US freedom of speech allows for distateful and hateful comments. The ACLU sued to allow the KKK to organize a march and a rally because they were exercising their freedom of expression.

Anyone is free to his/her opinion and is free to express those opinions.

In such situations, it would have been significantly better to point out the hate and the lies and to bring people together by actually showing excerpts of the life of many Muslims and Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Taosits and Hindus and even atheists that advocate peace and tolerance.

Alas there is something wrong with extremism these days and its propaganda machine including the Op-Ed by Liz Cheney today in the WSJ taking aim at the foreign policy of Obama by exploiting this tragedy.

Now let us get back to Syria:

Again watching Syrian TV and AL Manar and Press TV and RT and Addounia I do not see any significant news about the glorious achievements of the regime forces.

It is clear the regime has degenerated into a militia.
Juan Cole had a piece on the fact that the two sides are not yet capable of achieving total victory and the likelihood of a protracted conflict whereby only an exhaused protagonists will come to the table to compromise.

The problem is that any compromise on the side of the regime means its end unless some on this blog would disagree.

Dr. Landis if the regime is capable of compromise how and in which areas will be able to give way and where are its red lines.

How can you climb down from ASSAD or we BURN LBALD?

All of you remember that demonizing the other is the first step to its slaughter and oppression. All creeds religions and ideologies have done that with horrific consequences.

September 13th, 2012, 1:26 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

@VISITOR,

You can shove him and his unit up your butt, enjoy him, just leave him off Syria and let him give some honor and dignity to Moslems, after all he rob them once a year at hajj. For you visitor, how much do you charge for plane load of Lebanese whores to Riadh each trip?

September 13th, 2012, 1:29 pm

 
 

ghufran said:

ميليشيا الجيش الحر وجهت إتهامات مباشرة للجهادي السعودي عبد المجيد بن راشد بن غازي الرشيدي بالعمالة لمصلحة النظام السوري، وحملته مسؤولية مقتل الملازم المنشق براء البوشي الذي كان يظهر على شاشات التلفزة بصفة إعلامي، وقد تناقلت تنسيقيات الثورة على مواقعها بيانا وصفته بالسري والخطير، ذكرت فيه “أنه وبعد المتابعة والتدقيق من قبل مكتب استخبارات الجيش السوري الحر في دمشق وريفها في شخص المدعو عبد المجيد بن راشد بن غازي الرشيدي ” ومعروف بالإسماء التالية أبو راشد ، أبو براء ” سعودي الجنسية والذي ادعى أنه أحد المجاهدني من اخواننا السعويين المسلمين الذين جاءوا لنصرة ثورة الحق والحرية في سوريا ،ووضع أمامنا العديد من الوثائق تحاول اثبات ذلك ومنها وثيقة باسم ” مؤسسة الاغائة والمساعدة السورية وأمين عامها حسبما ذكرت الوثيقة هو المدعو أسامة مارديني .
فإننا بعد التفحص و الملاحقة الكثيفة لكل اتصالاته وعلاقاته تبين لنا بصورة جليّة عمالته الخسيسة لنظام الأسد واختراقه لصفوف ضباط الجيش السوري الحر وبعض الناشطين المتحدثين باسم كتائبه، وما استشهاد الملازم المنشق والصحفي براء البوشي إلا بسبب مكالمات السكايب المطولة التي كان يجريها معه ليحدد مكانه ومواقع الثوار عبر تقنيات متطورة جداً وذات تكلفة باهظة تكفلت إيران وروسيا والنظام البائد به”..
foreign Jihadists: short term gain,long term pain
any future regime will have a lot of problems finding those thugs and throwing them out of Syria, the FSA (or the NSA) must get rid of them now before it is too late, people also should report those foreigners to the police even if they do not like the police.

September 13th, 2012, 2:06 pm

 

habib said:

Let’s have a little poll here.

Everyone who thinks the Benghazi attack was done by Salafists with NATO weapons, thumb up this comment.

Everyone who thinks it was done by Gadaffi’s ghost, worldwide Assadism or whatever, give it a thumb down!

September 13th, 2012, 2:29 pm

 

habib said:

167. zoo

Ok, let’s get this straight… The West is responsible for al Qaeda swarming into Syria because they have not attacked the country…

Yet Libya is swarming with al Qaeda even after (or because) the West helped them…

What am I missing?

Seems like the combined IQ of FSA’s members could get them into MENSA!

September 13th, 2012, 2:33 pm

 

ann said:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/islamists-drag-dead-body-of-us-ambassador-in-the-streets/

How differently is this news circulated (by the Western media) as compared to when exactly the same thing was done to Gaddafi’s body a few months ago…

The irony is that, under Gaddafi’s Libya, this horrific act would never have been committed or allowed to take place. This is the new and “liberated” Libya, one that the US and its Allies murdered for! You REAP what you SOW and NATO and its Allies, have done nothing but sow DEATH and DESTRUCTION!

September 13th, 2012, 2:35 pm

 

Tara said:

Habib

Not trying to be mean here, but please if you did not yet pay attention that SNP/Aldendeshe manipulates the the thumb system, I would like for you to see a doctor.

September 13th, 2012, 2:35 pm

 

habib said:

178. Tara

So what are you trying to say? That if the Gadaffi-supporter theory doesn’t get votes, it’s because someone manipulated the thumbs, not because the theory is incorrect?

Loool! You should simply had given the comment a thumb down instead if that’s what you really believed.

September 13th, 2012, 2:40 pm

 

VISITOR said:

@Dendesh,

He is always welcome in Syria and with the highest honors.

Eat your heart out.

Muslims are not your concern.

So butt out.

September 13th, 2012, 2:43 pm

 

Tara said:

Habib

I do not usually hide what I want to say.

Was not trying to say anything except that SNP has figured a way to manipulate the thumb system. So do not ask for a vote. Haven’t you seen the outrageous unreal thumb ups he gets. Just look at the pattern.

September 13th, 2012, 2:50 pm

 

habib said:

181. Tara

Well, I really didn’t expect anyone to give it a thumb down (the alternative theory is too ridiculous), so it doesn’t really matter.

September 13th, 2012, 2:56 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

for the sake of Syria,I hope that he resigns and let somebody else manage the mess he helped to create.

_________________________________________________________________

@GHUFRAN
Do you want to roll your sleeves and go do it? I don’t think so, let him clean up his own Kaka, and his daddy ones as well.

@TARA.
Jewish girl working full time, day and night on this blog for a year, don’t you ever get paid vacation? Yeah I guess you can call it manipulation when 200+ Snpier’s comes here just to click green for me. But the site owner knows my IP and can see that it is not all on my end as they probably coming from various countries. Sorry to say because of people like you on this blog, many prefer to stay away, somehow they find people like you repulsive and depressing. I do get very saddned and depressed coming here, the ignorance and deception is appauling.

September 13th, 2012, 3:03 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Yes, please do let’s get back to the Syrian situation. If may be pardoned for re-posting a comment I wrote in the last post, just before the server seized up. That one was addressed to Ghufran, but now it speaks to all of us/you here:

What should the Syrian people do? What is the suggested plan of action out of this madness? Is the regime a dictatorship run by a bunch of thugs? Or is it a benevolent tyranny? If the former then you surely have to admit that they never ever acted in good faith and never ever wished for the Annan plan to succeed and never extended a single minute act towards that end. And as Observer said: how can they climb down from “Assad or we burn l-balad”? But if the latter, why the harsh, over-the-top reaction? Where is the benevolence?

What do you want the people who have had enough of this present dictatorship to do, given its repressive response to their peaceful efforts? Where is GHIATH MATAR and the many many others who were (and still are) arrested, tortured and killed though they never lifted so much as a stick against anybody?

Let’s say we tell the extremist jihadis to bugger off out of Syria. Does that mean all religious and sectarian sentiments will immediately go out the window and we’re left with pure political and economic considerations? Will the regime learn some manners and decide to let go?

As you can imagine I HATE, I ABHOR religion, but I can’t force all Syrians to become atheists, nor do I expect them to. I want this uprising to be totally about rights, devoid of all religious links and influences, but as Maysaloon wrote, the regime WANTED it, FORCED it to become sectarian and extremist because that’s the only way it can fight it, by rallying the fears of Alawis and other minorities, who btw in a flash have become the recipients of its violence when they spoke out against it or stood in its way.

This blog is an excellent place to discuss solutions to the problem, OUR PROBLEM, but we have to agree on what the problem is first. Yes, the jihadis are one recent problem, but before that, was there no problem (back to the first question!!!)? This reminds me of something Haytham Mannaa said: “once the fighting starts (and the regime prefers a fight, because that’s where it has any chance of resisting maybe even winning) then all efforts would be directed towards stopping the violence, helping the devastated and homeless, and the whole original purpose of the uprising gets jettisoned and lost somewhere along the way”. I think he was right there. But to be fair, even if people could have controlled themselves, I think the regime would have invented an armed opposition and would never have given up on provoking the people to take up arms against it. You see, that way it can argue “why should we go if the MB and other extremists are going to stay and possibly take over later? If we go then they must go, too” This in effect translates to “since they won’t go, we won’t either!” = Eternal stalemate while the destruction and killing continue.

People, I’m sure I’m not the only one here sickened by the violence, the loss of life and wanton destruction of a whole country. So let’s all use this blog to find common ground and not to sow further divisions and find points of divergence. The biggest hurdle before us is this: WE MUST AGREE ON WHAT THE PROBLEM IS first. Unless we do that it’s just a place to exchange accusations and insults.

September 13th, 2012, 3:06 pm

 

zoo said:

A Fight Between Islamists and Salafists ( Cold war between Qatar vs Saudi Arabia?)

Piercing the Fog of Revolution

By David Ignatius – September 13, 2012

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/09/13/piercing_the_fog_of_revolution_115422.html

….
An analyst who was in the midst of that crowd Tuesday told me he thinks the Salafist demonstrators were using the pretext of a supposedly anti-Islamic American film to send two messages: the first was obviously anti-Americanism, which is potent in today’s Egypt; the second and more interesting message was a challenge by the Salafists to their rivals in the Muslim Brotherhood government of President Mohamed Morsi.
…..
The Salafists’ assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi at first appeared to be a “copycat” attack like the one in Cairo, but U.S. officials said it may have been planned by extremists linked to al-Qaeda. They were augmented by a well-armed Islamic militia. Their anger, again, is mixed between a baseline anti-Americanism (sadly, always a draw in the region) and a challenge to Prime Minister Abdurrahim el-Keib and the secularist parties that are the backbone of the new Libyan government.

September 13th, 2012, 3:26 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

NATO’s tireless bongo-player ANN seems unable to sort through and process reports from Benghazi; she repeatedly forks up citations of claims that the US Ambassador was dragged half-dead through the streets at the hands of a NATO terrorist Libyan Islamist mob.

ANN, please examine all the reports that confuse you. Please make an honest attempt to sort out the BS and the propaganda and deranged rumour. Try to construct a story that comforms with best evidence. Learn from your peers here how to examine conflicting stories for truth.

We do not know your motives, ANN, only the simple politics that seem to drive your actions here. The relentless demonizing of all actors against autocracy as terrorist Islamicists worthy only of death — this adds no intelligence to the mix. It only tells us that you see a hysterical cartoon world of Good and Evil. I tells us that a bad marriage was made between anti-Western hate and dread/repulsion felt toward Muslims.

It seems, most awfully, that you relish the deaths of Syrian soldiers who have abandoned the Syrian regime forces and act under the banner of the SNA or FSA. You show only contempt for the martyrs, the detained, the tortured, the bereft, the exiles, the suborned. No shades of innocence, no spark of humanity in those slaughtered by the SAA.

I do not see humane impulses behind your posts, ANN. A heartlessness in your occasional comments deepens as the crisis grows. Where you really stand in your heart is unknown, what you care for, who you care for, signs of your heart’s connection are absent, except for signs of excitement over violence and extremist incitement, except for your relish at destruction of opponents of the House of Assad, except for your expressed joy when the dictatorship crushes the life out of its dissidents.

What so excites you about all this, ANN? What makes you add ‘smiley’ symbols to your posts celebrating mayhem? What makes you repost all the feverish canards about the death of the Ambassador?

I know that we will not hear honest answers to such questions, ANN.

So here is more fun for you.

You can run this Tayyar.org rumour-mongering crap through Google Translate and get a real thrill, ANN. It says that the Ambassador was RAPED before being tortured to death by your savage boogeymen. The horror, ANN! The smileys! The breathless shoddy reportage!

http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/usa-killed-lybia-zek-970.htm

September 13th, 2012, 3:35 pm

 

zoo said:

“Arab Spring’ countries should fight islamists terrorists on their land or the US must do it for them.

No time for U.S. passivity
By Peter Brookes
Thursday, September 13, 2012
http://bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1061159978
….
To Cairo and Tripoli, both in the formative stages of forming permanent governments, the warning (from the attackers) is twofold: Don’t get too close to Washington, and don’t think of veering too far from the Islamist hard line.
….
We’re going to have to take a good look at our relationships with these states. As host nations, Cairo and Tripoli are required by international treaty to protect diplomatic personnel and installations resident in their countries.

The first test will be whether Egypt and Tripoli come out with strong, unequivocal statements condemning the violence against our diplomatic facilities and Americans — and committing themselves to preventing further violence against U.S. interests.

The next test will be whether — and how quickly — Egypt and Libya move to apprehend the criminals and or terrorists responsible for these acts and hold them accountable for their heinous actions.

If they aren’t willing to bring the attackers to justice, we should be willing to do so to serve as a lesson to them and others. These outrageous acts can’t stand.

Setting the ongoing tragedy in Syria aside, the fact is the Arab Spring is far from settled, more trouble is likely from radicals and terrorists and we — both at home and abroad — may be the target. Now is no time for complacency about our security.

September 13th, 2012, 3:36 pm

 

Humanist said:

Habib,

Are those “students” protesting outside the Swiss embassy in Tehran “Salafists with NATO weapons” too?

I’m afraid certain regimes, and former regimes too, have big interests in fueling this chaos and provocate a new conflict between the so called “islamic world” and the West.

It’s certainly not the first time…

You should know salafists aren’t the only agressive and intolerant islamists in this world. Their biggest opponents (i.e. some Shia Mullahs) aren’t much better.

September 13th, 2012, 3:39 pm

 

zoo said:

How to send Egypt a message
The Morsi government is encouraging anti-U.S. unrest; the Obama administration must now send a clear signal back

By David Schenker AND Eric Trager / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

In Egypt and the U.S., the attack is widely being attributed to an obscure anti-Islamic movie. But in fact, Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya, a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, announced weeks ago that it would protest in front of the U.S. Embassy on 9/11 to demand the release of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind cleric mastermind of the first World Trade Center Bombing in 1993.
….
But the attack on the Embassy went beyond the pale. For starters, it was preventable. A terrorist organization’s calls for protests outside the Embassy should have prompted the deployment of additional Egyptian security forces. Morsi’s abdication of responsibility and the Muslim Brotherhood’s defense of the assault should be the last straw.

Washington should present President Morsi with a choice: Either abide by international norms or preside over an Egypt increasingly threatened by economic collapse. At present, Egypt’s economy is tanking as instability and violence continue to scare away both tourists and investors.
..
To forestall a crisis, Washington committed to forgive that $1 billion in debt, and it has ardently supported a pending $4.8 billion International Monetary Fund loan. And just this week, the Embassy in Cairo sponsored a delegation of American businessmen in Cairo to encourage U.S. investment in an Egypt that was “open for business.”

All of this should be put on hold. Washington can tolerate a lot, but it cannot invest in an Egypt that refuses at a minimum to secure American diplomats. So long as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Morsi Administration insist on encouraging Salafists and soccer hooligans to target U.S. interests, the U.S. can and should impose costs for this choice.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/send-egypt-a-message-article-1.1157828?pgno=1#ixzz26Nf2i0M8

September 13th, 2012, 3:44 pm

 

Citizen said:

Libya: Washington reaps what it sowed

Aleksei K. Pushkov, the head of Russia’s parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee, wrote via Twitter: “Under Qaddafi they didn’t kill diplomats. Obama and Clinton are in shock? What did they expect – ‘Democracy?’ Even bigger surprises await them in Syria.”

Yevgeny Y. Satanovsky, president of the Institute of the Middle East in Moscow, said American leaders should not expect “one word of sympathy” from their Russian counterparts.

“It is a tragedy to the family of the poor ambassador, but his blood is on the hands of Hillary Clinton personally and Barack Obama personally,” Mr. Satanovsky said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI
http://tipggita32.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/libya-washington-reaps-what-it-sowed/

September 13th, 2012, 4:04 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

A Libyan politician on Press Tv states that the Ambassador was a muslim.

September 13th, 2012, 4:16 pm

 

Mina said:

Zoo,
The “Gamaa Al Islamiyya” has been officially appointed by the Egyptian government to lead negotiations with the extremist groups in Sinai. It is now a respectable member of the political crew leading the country!
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/0/52021/Egypt/0/Egypts-Operation-Eagle-Sinai-campaign-draws-mixed-.aspx
(” Regarding ongoing dialogue with Sinai-based jihadist groups, launched two weeks ago as the operation’s ‘political arm,’ Nizar Ghorab, former MP for the Gamaa Al-Islamiya’s Construction and Development Party – who is currently spearheading the dialogue campaign – said that a series of meetings were taking place with jihadist and Islamist groups in the area.

Ghorab told Ahram Online that the first meeting, aimed at pre-empting an unnecessarily heavy-handed security response, took place last week. “This is why we quickly launched talks with the leaders of these movements – to prevent them from entering into a confrontation with state agencies,” he explained.

Ghorab added: “We spent time in prison with these men under the former regime, and thus we appreciate each other. This allows us to maintain dialogue with them, and we reiterate that these groups – including those that have taken up arms – no longer need to do this under the new regime, which we support.” (…)
The links between Hamas and the MB are well-known, and the role of al-Jazeera in creating the mayhem that led to the release of a bunch of MB jailed guys last year is also easy to document. Are we finally going to read something consistent about the “Arab Spring”?

September 13th, 2012, 4:21 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

186. William Scott Scherk

“NATO’s tireless bongo-player, ANN”

The problem with Ann, William, is she was once in love with a man beneath her station. She comes from a wealthy family. He father invented the limpet mine. Anyway, she fell in love with a simple soldier of the ranks and he used her and then dumped her for a Gypsy barmaid. After her brothers killed the girl, Ann went into hiding in a cave for forty days and forty nights. After she emerged, covered with soot and bat droppings, she vowed never again to touch a man. And to this day she has remained a bitter, hate-filled recluse.

I hope this helps.

September 13th, 2012, 4:30 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Why didn’t Syria and Isreal make peace while Sharon was in power?

Well, for one, Sharon and Muallem would have struggled to embrace on sealing any deal. [Assad rarely makes an appearance so Muallem would be sent.]
Btw they do look remarkably similar.

Mr Muallem. He doesn’t do many press conferences anymore. I guess they’ve suspended them since the last one at which Mr Muallem shifted a little to his left and the whole room tilted.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/5cols/leading_images/Syria_Muallem_pic_1.jpg

Syria’s membership of a dwindling number of organisations means Mr Muallem rarely gets leave his underground bunker. Then NAM came along and just see the excitement:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00Qy4uX2pqdBm/766×575.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000

Little did he know His Excellency President Morsi would chase the smile away.

At this point, if I had a picture of Assad and Muallem standing together I’d make C3PO & R2D2 joke.

September 13th, 2012, 5:09 pm

 

ghufran said:

from the Guardian:

Police in California are keeping a protective watch over the makers of the anti-Islamic video who fear for their safety amid surging violence across the Arab world.
Sheriff’s deputies were sent to the home of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula in Cerritos, just outside Los Angeles, on Wednesday night because he feared retaliation after being identified as the producer of the Innocence of Muslims. Members of the FBI joint terrorism task force also visited his home amid growing evidence that Nakoula, 55, a Coptic Christian, was Sam Bacile, the pseudonym of the blasphemous video’s director and writer.
Police also visited a production company called Media for Christ, a Christian non-profit in Duarte, California, after it was identified as the one which obtained a film permit for the shoot.

comment: the easiest way to start a riot in the Middle East is to attack religious symbols, people who made the movie knew this very well. John Kerry was grilled for suggesting that poor and uneducated people cling to their religion and guns,he was right.
I am not sure if the DOJ will try to find a legal hole to prosecute the producers of that movie,I doubt that despite the pressure on Washington, freedom of speech does not have the same meaning in the US and the Middle East, things will change when Arabs become free to speak out,then a riot after a movie will be less likely.

September 13th, 2012, 5:15 pm

 
 

Uzair8 said:

Was it on the 4th that a senior regime commander claimed the military would clear Aleppo of insurgents within 10 days. It’s 14th tomorrow. An hour-ans-a-half till midnight here.

Anyway. How many weeks has it been since rebels took control of some neighbourhoods of Aleppo? Who’d have thought they would hold on. Them Tawheed Brigade fighters are one tough bunch.

September 13th, 2012, 5:20 pm

 

ghufran said:

أشارت صحيفة “ديلي تليغراف” بعنوان “مسيحيو سوريا يحملون السلاح لاول مرة”، الى أنّ “مسيحيي حلب حملوا السلاح وكونوا “ميليشياتهم” لاول مرة منذ اندلاع الانتفاضة ضد نظام الاسد، لافتةً الى أنّ المسيحيين في سوريا حاولوا تجنب الانحياز لاي طرف من اطراف النزاع في البلاد.
وفي حلب استخدم المسيحيون فتيانا من حركة الكشافة لحماية الكنائس، ولكن مع انتقال الحرب إلى حلب وضواحيها بدأ المسيحيون في قبول الاسلحة من الجيش السوري الحكومي ووحدوا جهودهم مع الجماعات الارمنية في محاولة لدحر جماعات المعارضة المسلحة”.
ولفتت الصحيفة الى أنه “في الاسابيع الستة الاخيرة قاتل نحو 150 من المقاتلين المسيحيين والارمن للحيلولة دون دخول جنود الجيش السوري الحر الى المناطق المسيحية في حلب، ومع اشتداد القتال في حلب، اصبحت الجماعات الجهادية تلعب دورا بارزا في القتال في المدينة”.
I think we can all agree that this is an ominous sign.

September 13th, 2012, 5:20 pm

 

Majed97 said:

Ironically, the Egyptian MB deception game (taqia) is now being played against the U.S. itself.

U.S. Embassy calls out Muslim Brotherhood for conflicting tweets

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/u-embassy-calls-muslim-brotherhood-conflicting-tweets-190521793.html

September 13th, 2012, 5:22 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

196. Juergen

Wow. MashaAllah. That is a…top, top picture. I was speechless when I got it.

September 13th, 2012, 5:23 pm

 

Tara said:

Sunni Jihadists after Shiite hostages.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/syria-rebel-sunni-jihadists-after-shiite-hostages/article/feed/2030178
..
The rebel leader behind the kidnappings, Ammar al-Dadikhli, is a burly former cross-border trader who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Ibrahim. His 1,200-strong Northern Storm Brigade controls the vital crossing from Syria’s Aleppo province into neighboring Turkey, and in May he ordered the seizure of the Lebanese Shiites, who had been on a bus tour of religious sites in the area, on the grounds they belonged to Hezbollah.

He said the kidnappings were aimed at persuading Hezbollah, a strident backer of President Bashar Assad, to reconsider its commitment to the Syrian regime. Instead it set off a string of revenge kidnappings by Shiite clansmen inside Lebanon, with two Turks and some 20 Syrians being snatched by gunmen. All but four of the Syrians have since been released, with the last Turk freed Thursday night.

The stakes are high. If anything were to happen to the Lebanese hostages, who by all accounts have been well treated, it would ignite Shiite rage and set fire to Lebanon’s already delicate sectarian balance.

On Aug. 24, Abu Ibrahim moved to defuse the situation by releasing one of the hostages, 60-year-old Hussein Omar, to the Turkish authorities.

“After (Omar’s) release, the Northern Storm brigade began to receive threats from Sunni extremist groups in Lebanon, Iraq and some in Syria,” Abu Ibrahim told The Associated Press in an interview at a customs house in this Syrian border town.

“They told us, the hostages are members of Hezbollah and should be killed.”
…..
Abu Ibrahim said he fears his men will be attacked by Sunni extremists if he releases the Lebanese Shiites and that the hostages will also be targeted.

“We would like to make a deal and turn them over to one of the great powers, like the United States, to protect ourselves and them, so those extremists won’t harm them,” he said. “If they are handed back to Lebanon, they will be targeted, but if they are given to a big country, it will be like an international deal.”
….

In contrast to its normally aggressive response to most provocations, however, Hezbollah, which is also deeply involved in Lebanon’s tortuous politics, has tried to downplay the Syrian hostage-taking.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah appealed for calm in the wake of the 11 men’s capture and uncharacteristically deferred to the Lebanese government to handle negotiations for their release. He also denied any involvement in the retaliatory kidnappings by Shiite clans.

According to Abu Ibrahim, however, extremist Sunni groups appear to be going in the opposite direction.
..

September 13th, 2012, 5:44 pm

 

VISITOR said:

US accuses the Iranian Hezb of participating in killing Syrians on the side of the criminal regime,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/13/237855.html

September 13th, 2012, 6:07 pm

 

habib said:

202. VISITOR

As long as they kill criminal Salafists, the world will be a better place.

September 13th, 2012, 6:16 pm

 

VISITOR said:

203,

You got that wrong.

The hezb hostages must be tried and then executed because they are obviously criminals.

There is no problem with so-called salafists and they definitely are not crminals.

If there are so-called salafists they are on the side of the Syrian people and are helping in eliminating the criminal thugs of the regime and the undesireable Iranians. And that is what we Syrians want.

September 13th, 2012, 6:24 pm

 

Roland said:

The Benghazi raid could have been done by loyalists of the old regime.

It’s not like it’s hard to get Al-Qaeda blamed for everything!

If the ambassador was given “the full Qaddafi” by his assailants, that would seem to me to indicate a deliberate act of revenge on the part of Qaddafi followers. AQ might have beheaded the man instead.

September 13th, 2012, 6:26 pm

 

irritated said:

Silentio and Shark

Are you a pair of misogynists or just acting like dumb schoolboys?

September 13th, 2012, 6:32 pm

 

VISITOR said:

205 ROLAND,

You made a very logical comment and that agress with my earlier speculations about involvement of mullah and assad agants.

Qaddafi was allied with mullah Iran and Assad regime. It is very likely that agents of these rogue regimes were operating with the assailants.

The mullah/Assad mark is very clear as the pattern of emabssy attacks aims to replay the 1980 US embassy takeover in Tehran.

the objective is to portray the Arab Spring as an extension of their so-called revolution after Mr. Morsi dropped his bomb in Tehran.

The world will not know peace until the mullahs are destroyed and with them the Assad thugs. They are Evil-Incarnate Inc.

September 13th, 2012, 6:38 pm

 

zoo said:

Roland

Iran and all Shias in the middle east region hated Qaddafi more than any country in the world did, because he kidnapped and killed Imam Mousa Sadr, one of the most intelligent and charismatic Shia leader the region ever saw.
He is the one who woke up the Shia in Lebanon and in Iraq to take their destiny in their hands after centuries of persecution and domination by the ruling Sunnis.
He was respected both by the Sunnis and the Shias because he was a moderate leader preaching justice and harmony between the sects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_al-Sadr

Accusing Iran to have been an ally of Qaddafi is ignorant and vicious.

September 13th, 2012, 7:03 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

The spin started by the retards puppets.SPINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
It is likely christians in Sweden that did it, Hindus upset over U.S. wheat price increases, Ugandan,lost mobile network deal, but most likely the finger for this crime can be pointed toward the Bulgarian Gypsies. Never one puppy can admit:

IT IS SAUDI DOLLAR BEGGING OBAMA MIDDLE EAST POLICY AND THE DIMMMMM WITTED ZIONIST IDIOTS THAT PLOTTED FOR ISLAM TO TAKE OVER THE MIDDLE EAST SO THAT BOON DOG STATELET ISRAEHELL RULE SUPREME.

YOU MUST BE WORKING FOR GEORGIA STATE MINIMUM WAGE. IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF MONEY TO PAY YOU ANY HIGHER.

September 13th, 2012, 7:05 pm

 

zoo said:

Internal pressure is growing on Erdogan to change its policy on Syrian.

Turks against Syria intervention
SEMİH İDİZ
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turks-against-syria-intervention.aspx?pageID=449&nID=30086&NewsCatID=416

Making matters worse for the government is that criticism of its Syria policy has started to come from quarters that are considered to be close to the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP). One example is Fehmi Koru, a prominent journalist and commentator on the “Islamist” side of the media fence, who is known to have close ties with members of the government.

Even Koru felt the need to warn the government recently, in his column in daily Star, that it should not insist on continuing with a Syria policy that is increasingly seen by the public as having been too hastily put together without sufficient prior thought.

The bottom line is that Ankara should have learned by now that it has much less leeway in Syria, or the Middle East in general, in terms of influencing developments than it may have initially thought, and it’s time for it to align its policies with this hard fact.

September 13th, 2012, 7:12 pm

 

zoo said:

All countries where there was an attack on the US embassy apologized, except.. Egypt.

September 13th, 2012, 7:22 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

John 5:42-43

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

Watch all 11 videos

more:

September 13th, 2012, 7:24 pm

 

Tara said:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/film-protests-arrests-idUSL5E8KDMEQ20120913?type=marketsNews

UPDATE 1-Libya arrests 4 over deadly Benghazi attack  

(Reuters) – Libyan authorities have made four arrests in the investigation into the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in which the U.S. ambassador and three embassy staff were killed, the deputy interior minister said on Thursday.

“Four men are in custody and we are interrogating them because they are suspected of helping instigate the events at the U.S. consulate,” Wanis Sharif told Reuters.

He gave no more details.

U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans died after the gunmen attacked the U.S. consulate and a safe house refuge in the eastern city of Benghazi on Tuesday night. The attackers were part of a mob blaming America for a film they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad.
(…)

September 13th, 2012, 7:27 pm

 

Tara said:

Is Hassan getting jealous?  No acknowledgment from Angelina.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9538647/Angelina-Jolie-hails-Lebanons-generosity-to-Syrian-refugees.html

Angelina Jolie hails Lebanon’s ‘generosity’ to Syrian refugees
Hollywood actress and UN refugee agency special envoy Angelina Jolie has met Syrian refugees in Lebanon where she praised the country for its generosity.

On a visit to Lebanon on Wednesday, Angelina Jolie met refugees who had escaped the conflict in neighbouring Syria before being introducted to Prime Minister Najib Mikati.
“I’m so grateful on [the refugees’] behalf to the Lebanese people and to Lebanon for allowing them safety,” she said.
“I know the Lebanese people themselves are dealing with their own problems with their own economy and it’s all the more meaningful that they are so generous and so kind and I hope the world acknowledges that,” Jolie added.

September 13th, 2012, 7:40 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Habib,

“Tsk, half have been killed by your Salafist friends, so right back at ya.”

According to whom? You? Because according to every credible source that is documenting the atrocities those deaths and murders have been caused by your “secular” government.

“Of course I’d prefer a democracy over both, but that ain’t gonna happen now with this dirty “opposition”

Why your “clean” government would allow it? Why did they kill Giyath Mattar, why do they have Tal Melouhi in jail, why did they smash Ali Ferzat’s hands, why did they attack Malek Jandali’s parents, why are children being systematically raped and killed by your sick regime?

I am going to guess that a sick genocide enthusiast and rape denier such as yourself has no answer to any of these questions, until you do please don’t bother replying me for you are not worth the time nor the trouble.

September 13th, 2012, 7:52 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

“start by rejecting the extreme backwardness permeating islamic societies, denounce te infiltration of foreign jihadist in Syria then I will listen to your political options.”

First I never went after your opinion nor do I care for it. That is why before now I never engaged you in a debate or in a conversation.

Second please show me one post by me where I support religious extremism of any kind or even promoted the use of arms, then I’ll bother replying to your unfounded theories regarding me…

September 13th, 2012, 7:59 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The not so I innocent movie had one prime target: Egypt.
This is from the time:
The film was screened in Hollywood early this year but made no waves whatsoever. Bacile then posted a 14-min. series of clips on YouTube in July; that too got no traction. But it caught the attention of Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-American Copt in Washington, D.C., known for incendiary anti-Muslim statements and blog posts. In early September, Sadek stitched together clips of the film and posted them on an Arabic-language blog. He also sent a link to the post in a mass e-mail. In the meantime, the film had attracted a singularly unattractive fan: Terry Jones, pastor of a church in Gainesville, Fla., who is notorious for burning the Koran and performing other Islamophobic stunts. He promoted the film online and added fuel to the flames by posting his own YouTube video, calling for the “trial” of the Prophet, for fraud and other supposed crimes. Jones’ video features an effigy wearing a demon mask and hanging from a noose.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/09/13/the-agents-of-outrage/#ixzz26Oidgd35

September 13th, 2012, 8:09 pm

 

Visitor said:

The man behind the hate movie who was referred to as Sam Bacille is in fact Steven Klein from Riverside California. He is not a Jew. He is a Christian fanatic and in fact works in real estate. He might be an American of Egyptian Coptic origin. Most likely Klein is the same Maurice Saqiq who immigrated to the US in 1969.

September 13th, 2012, 8:25 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

218 VAT

“He is not a Jew.”

No one said he was a Jew.

September 13th, 2012, 9:11 pm

 

Ghufran said:

From the Daily Telegraph
( will get English text later):
مقاتل أرمني، يُدعى جورج،: «إن مقاتلي الجيش السوري الحر كانوا يختبئون في ساحة
فرحات بحيّ الجديدة، وقامت الميليشيات المسيحية باقتحامها وتطهيرها لأنهم كانوا يهددون الكنائس، من ثم انضمت إليها القوات الحكومية وأعلنت لاحقاً دحرهم على شاشة التلفزيون الحكومي».
وأضاف جورج «الجميع يقاتل بعضهم بعضاً، ومن ضمنهم الأرمن، لاعتقادهم بأن مضطهديهم الأتراك أرسلوا الجيش السوري الحر لمهاجمتهم، كما أن المسيحيين يريدون الدفاع عن أحيائهم، والقوات الحكومية تحارب الجيش السوري الحر، وأصبح لحزب العمال الكردستاني ميليشيا خاصة به أيضاً». وقالت الصحيفة إن معركة حلب أصبحت مريرة بعدما صار دور الجماعات الجهادية المسلحة أكثر وضوحاً من أيّ مدينة سورية أخرى، ما جعل الأقليات في حلب تخشى من مواجهة المصير نفسه الذي عانى منه المسيحيون في العراق جرّاء العنف الطائفي الذي اجتاحه بعد الغزو عام 2003. ونقلت الصحيفة عن رجل دين مسيحي سابق، سمّى نفسه جون ويعيش في بيروت الآن بعد أن غادر حلب، قوله إن «الأثرياء والأقليات في حلب، على النقيض من التقارير، ليسوا كلهم مؤيدين للنظام، لكنهم شعروا بأنهم اضطروا إلى حماية أنفسهم من مهاجرين فلاحين يستخدمون الحرب لتدمير قلب المدينة المتطورة». وقال جون «أنا لا أدعم الحكومة، غير أن الجيش السوري الحر هو حفنة من البلطجية واللصوص، وشاهدت مقاتليه وهم يسرقون مصانع النسيج، ويأخذون كل محتوياتها، مثل الغاز والمواد، وحتى آلات الخرز».

September 13th, 2012, 9:34 pm

 
 

VISITOR said:

There is nothing worse than the misinformation provided by the Zoo except of course Spam Ann.

His latest production is comment 208.

Mousa Sadr was in fact an enemy of the Khomeinists. Anyone slightly familiar with inter-Shia rivalry would recognize immediately that Khomeini had a stake in the disappearance of Sadr.

It becomes clear that Qaddafi was working on behalf of Khomeini if Qaddafi was in fact behind Sadr disappearance.

Relations between Qaddafi, Khomeini Iran and criminal Assad were excellent until Qaddafi ended up in the sewer. In fact Bashar sent him a ship loaded with weapons during the Libyan Revolution. The mullahs also tried their best to suply him with mercenaries and other logistics. Hopefully, Bashar, Kahmenei and the rest will soon be flushed to the same sewer.

September 13th, 2012, 9:58 pm

 
 

mick said:

#222 Visitor

So Sadr disappeared in Libya in 1978. Khomeini was still in France. Hizballah did not exist. Syria had no strong ties Iran, as it was run by the Shah. Iran had no influence in Lebanon (or Syria).

The Iran revolution, which consisted of both leftists and religious sides had not even happened.

Please create a little more believable tale next time.

September 13th, 2012, 10:37 pm

 

Syrain said:

Zoo and Ann : doesn’t the attack on the embassies take you back to 2006 ?
When your regime knowingly sent his goons to attack Norway and Sweden’s embassies in Damascus over the Danish pictures of Mohamad
Funny how you all now so civilized!

September 13th, 2012, 10:40 pm

 

Visitor said:

224 Mick,

Khomeini started his movement long before the actual revolution took place. In fact, there is a record of Khomeini getting a slap on his face in prison by the Shah himself. The incident goes back to the 1950s. His political activism goes back at least 25 years before 1979 and he had his own followers well before 1979.

Khomeini headed a so-called school which later challenged the authority of another ayatollah who is supposed to be higher than him in the hierarchy. That was Abu al-Qassim Al-Khou’ee who was based in Najaf. Al-Khou’ee was supposed to be the highest Shia authority. But Khomeini had different ideas.

September 13th, 2012, 10:48 pm

 
 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

# 76 re: Syrian girls

I was one of the first people to publicize this awful development, crime in fact, on 7eetan after I noticed it on the Dutch public broadcaster NDR’s site. It must be mentioned that the call by Muslim sheikh’s (and I oppose that too) is for a proper bona-fide marriage and not the “pleasure” kind. But in any form or shape it is abhorant and deplorable to force 14 and 15 y.o girls to marry anyone just to “protect” them from dishonor لسترهن .

BTW, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought the practice of temporary marriage was a Mullah-sanctioned Shiaa one that is common in Iran, under the guise of “keeping men away from prostitutes and women from becoming ones” (!!!), no?

September 13th, 2012, 11:31 pm

 

Juergen said:

Tara

I was talking once with Amitav Gosh an indian writer who knew Salman Rushdie before he became famous. He told me that in his eyes he knew exactly what a scandal would come up if he writes about the Prophet the way he then did. “It was his way to become famous.”

Many controversial books have been written in the muslim civilization, and the usual pattern would always be that a controversial book is not banned, rather scholars would answer by writing an other book. In our time its clear that islamophobia has rised to unseen levels since 9/11 and many people even from mainstream levels indulge in slandering islam. Some say its the ultimate revenge, some excuse this with a Voltairian standpoint that no religion should be spared from comedy.

I do honestly believe that actions such as this movie which endangers innocent lives abroad and at home should be controlled by the state.

This coptic American knew all to well what could happen if he portrays the prophet in such light, and I do fear the worst might happen to Copts allover the muslim world.

I am not a fan of censored media or bans on books ect, but I am sure that Denmark and the US would have loved to stopped the provocation before it reached their economy or their ambassador.

Syrian against…

I think this time marriage concept is outdated. I have never met any Shiite who did it or lived by this right, its kind of like the right of muslim man to marry up to 4 wifes, I knew a fella who tried to marry a second wife and his first wife punched him a lesson that he at the end gave in and didnt get married.

September 14th, 2012, 12:50 am

 

Juergen said:

I just found this piece of comedy online

the picture might offend some…

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/?ref=auto

Amir, how are ya?

September 14th, 2012, 12:59 am

 

annie said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/13/egypt-libya-hollywood-film
Who was Bacile? The Israeli government could not confirm his citizenship, and for a full day, no journalist was able to determine whether he existed or not. After being duped by Bacile, AP traced his address to the home of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a militant Coptic separatist and felon convicted of check fraud. On September 13, US law enforcement officials confirmed that “Sam Bacile” was an alias Nakoula used to advance his various scams, which apparently included the production of The Innocence of Muslims.

Another article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html
Senior officials are increasingly convinced, however, that the ferocious nature of the Benghazi attack, in which rocket-propelled grenades were used, indicated it was not the result of spontaneous anger due to the video, called Innocence of Muslims. Patrick Kennedy, Under-Secretary at the State Department, said he was convinced the assault was planned due to its extensive nature and the proliferation of weapons.

September 14th, 2012, 2:39 am

 

Albo said:

SOD
“First I never went after your opinion nor do I care for it. That is why before now I never engaged you in a debate or in a conversation.

Second please show me one post by me where I support religious extremism of any kind or even promoted the use of arms, then I’ll bother replying to your unfounded theories regarding me…”

You doon’t need to support anything. Silence equates consent, and islamist ramblings are all over this board. So much for your own “opinions”, many on your side here also tolerate these nutcases or even in some cases do them high five. We can see it every other post.

This either means that said people hide their true feelings or that they become tainted by association, sidelined and overshadowed by the more extremist elements. I know you’ll act offended at this post but other than that I assure you this is exactly the feeling of all the skeptics about this “revolution”, excluding real hardcore Assad supporters.

So do something about it if you care about Syria’s future.

September 14th, 2012, 5:52 am

 

Antoine said:

On 4th September a high-ranking regime officer in Aleppo claimed that the regime Army will be able to capture Saif al-Dawla by the next 2 days and the whole of Aleppo within 10 days, it is 14th September today and even Saif al-Dawla is mostly still the frontline.

September 14th, 2012, 5:59 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

“You doon’t need to support anything. Silence equates consent, and islamist ramblings are all over this board…”

Do you lack proper reading skills?

On the top left of this blog there is a search feature, search Son of Damascus and see what I write, then come and tell me what I do and don’t support.

So stop ASSUMING and actually FIND OUT what I support.

Btw do you condemn Erin, Darryl, Ann and the likes that keep posting some of the most bigoted filth? Or are you one of them that only sees religious intolerance when it involves their own faith?

“So do something about it if you care about Syria’s future”

Not only do you have no clue what I write on this blog and elsewhere, but now you have taken it a step further and assumed that I don’t care for Syria and that I am not doing something for her future.

You are missing the point Albo, religious extremists are a problem but they are just a sideshow to the unrelenting state sponsored mass murder and systematic destruction of the country. What ARE YOU doing to stop that?

September 14th, 2012, 7:21 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Pope Benedictus XVI in Lebanon asking for arms not to be send to Syria so Assad can control the situation and massacre the opposition.

I had bad feelings about this Pope. Now I realize that he is the Anti-Christ and as I christian I denounce him forever. Go to hell all the religious status from all religions. Go to hell and never come back.

Pope you are a criminal with no God above you.

September 14th, 2012, 7:47 am

 

Visitor said:

We thank our Libyan brothers once again for their continued support in providing essential supplies to the Free Syrian Army in terms of needed arms,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/29e7b1a7-7792-42a6-908a-ba96a61f1688?GoogleStatID=1

September 14th, 2012, 8:15 am

 
 

Esther said:

What a gift your Libyan Bros have served up on the world stage regarding the latest western provocation. They took the bait completely.
Your Libyan Brothers are providing the zionists another windfall. Their attacks on the US Embassy demonize Islam even better than the zionists themselves could- though the Film’s producer is Egyptian jew. The producer interviewed said, “it was funded by 100 jewish-American supporters”. Once again the blame is put elsewhere (Coptic Xtian name ‘Klein’) ??? tell me of a Coptic by the jewish name of Klein. Who benefits as the middle east burns? The instigators of it all.
Film sequel- Innocence of the Jews.

September 14th, 2012, 8:35 am

 

Albo said:

Sod
I have read quite a few dozens of your posts while perusing this blog and don’t need to dig further in the archives.

Understand that I don’t single you out for anything particular, indeed nothing in your posting struck me as extremist, just a bit conservative as most Syrians are. I will reiterate my point that you people can’t afford to have the extremists in your ranks and must reject them openly. I was glad to see the user Tara finally started to take the right path, although her earlier attacks on Armenians had me really worried, otherwise I could have called her out instead of you.

To drive the point home I’ll illustrate it in the following way: most of the muslims here live in the west, and I’m very certain most just want to go on about their lives and want to live peacefully alongside other communities. Even those who are conservative or slightly bigoted. Yet, it suffices that say, when 0,01% of your community holds extremist, intolerant views and spouts hate speeches and start to act stupidly…and that you do nothing, that you simply tolerate or ignore them you’ll be tainted by association. People, rightfully or not will assume they, as a vocal minority, speak in your name and for your faith. This is why they should be opposed. I’m sure all of you are very aware of this.

Islamist militancy isn’t merely intolerant, it can and is deadly in all sorts of places all over the world. This is why it is ridicule to contrast the repeated and documented human rights infringements by muslim Egyptians on Copts to a cheap caricature movie made by them to attack msulims, as annoying as you find it. There’s a world of difference.

As I explained, nothing personal SOD, you are probably pissed that I single you out but it really is adressed to a lot of other posters as well. As much as blind repression and reprisals lead nowhere, there can be no tolerance for supporters of medieval segregation and that’s clearly what a lot of people are doing here, either by neglect or duplicity.
The political line I support the most, again is that held by Ghufran, who is the first to denounce thugs and extremist nuts while opposing the regime.

September 14th, 2012, 8:40 am

 

Visitor said:

# 238,

Either you’re a pro criminal-regime propagandist or you don’t know what you’re talking about.

In either case it is useless to discourse with you.

So I decided to give you the first thumbs down.

And it doesn’t matter if you’re Syrian or not.

September 14th, 2012, 8:47 am

 

Erin said:

I was put under moderation because i respond to the Bigots here.

September 14th, 2012, 8:57 am

 

zoo said:

The whole account of the US embassy account shows that Libya is extremely vulnerable to terrorists acts as armed criminals and extremists are on the loose.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/search-for-answers-over-us-envoy-killing-is-in-muddy-waters#full

About the time of the sunset prayer on Tuesday, three or four cars of armed men arrived on the rutted road leading to the compound, according to a consulate worker who saw the event, and Mr Al Sharif, who said he had a phone call telling him of the situation.

The employee, who asked to be identified as Mohammed, said about 20 men with big beards and cropped robes left the cars.

He said they made their way along the side of the compound, where they scaled the walls, crying “God is greatest”.

The men crossed the front garden of the compound, and immediately began firing rocket-propelled grenades at a small building that held about five members of the Libyan security forces, who returned fire.

The clash set ablaze the security forces’ quarters, and then the house where the ambassador and an unknown number of consulate staff were situated.

As the clashes continued and reinforcements to the security forces arrived, some Americans were evacuated from the back of the building by soldiers, said Mohammed.

But more and more armed supporters of the men described as extremists arrived and came into the compound, overpowering the security forces and beginning a frenzy of burning and looting.

Mr Al Sharif’s version differed in that he described, from the vantage point of a control room in which members of various security force branches supplied him with information, a gathering crowd outside the consulate.

They condemned the film defaming the Prophet Mohammed and the failure of US authorities to apologise for it. The crowd grew out of control and stormed through the gates after hearing gunshots from inside.

Most had sidearms or rifles, Mr Al Sharif said, and a few had RPGs. It was at this time that two unidentified Americans were killed.

He said he had warned US officials to evacuate the compound but they ignored him, and that he told about 15 members of the Libyan security forces outside the compound to withdraw, fearing that they would provoke the rioters.

Mr Al Sharif said he was trying to avoid a repeat of an attack on the Italian Embassy, at the height of a scandal over a cartoon depicting the Prophet, in which several people died.

Later he sent local security forces in plain clothes to help to evacuate the Americans, but the ambassador never left the compound.

The owner of the house, Mohammed Al Breshi, suggested it had been impossible to reach the ambassador’s quarters, which had a wrought-iron door that was still locked, and that Stevens had become unconscious as a result of smoke inhalation.

Mr Al Sharif said members of the security forces removed the ambassador from the house and he was taken to the nearby Benghazi Medical Centre.

Doctors at the centre confirmed that the ambassador had been admitted about 1am, all but dead, and did not respond to attempts to resuscitate him. Looters had long since overrun the compound when morning came, but the ordeal was not over.

Mr Al Sharif said marines arrived by plane to evacuate consulate staff hiding in nearby a safe house, but as they and a Libyan escort approached the house, an ambush attack using RPGs killed two Americans, injured 12 more and 17 of the Libyan security forces.

By no means could all the violence be blamed on a protest that got out of hand, he conceded.

“The first part was chaotic, and disorganised. The second part was organised and planned,” said Mr Al Sharif.

September 14th, 2012, 9:04 am

 

irritated said:

@237 Antoine

You sound very familiar, anti-Iran, anti-Christian, pro-Wahhabism..
You don’t need to hide under a christian name, you fool nobody.

September 14th, 2012, 9:12 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

I am really sorry to shatter your fantasies about me…

I drink like a fish, wrap my pork with bacon, and don’t really care for any dogma.

I respect peoples choices when it comes to religion, and believe in a free society bigots are allowed to have their say, as much as I don’t like it.

The only way you can ever counter religious extremism (in any religion) is not to “fight” it but to counter it with common sense and education.

I do not care one bit about that silly movie, have not even seen the trailer nor do I care to. Might I be outraged over its content most likely, however my outrage will be limited to calling the people that made the movie idiots and moving on.

Btw this movie and the reaction of the Salafis really show how much support the Syrian revolution gets from them. Can you show me how many Syrian embassies have been attacked for the repeated targeting of mosques, burning of the Quran, and murdered Sheikhs by the regime?

I denounce ALL extremists, not just religious zealots. I despise nationalism and its sick and demented realities, I abhor religious extremists and religious intolerance.

I am arrogantly patriotic, and hold 4 things dear to my heart:
1-My rights and Freedoms
2-My Family
3-My Country
4-My City

For the record assuming that I don’t care for Syria, and that I am doing nothing to help it is EXTREMELY PERSONAL to me.

September 14th, 2012, 9:44 am

 

Observer said:

BIN LADEN WON

If we look at the state of things more than 10 years I posit that the plan hatched has mainly achieved its aims
1. The Salafist discourse on stopping time and returning the society to the seventh century AD and to the first century AH has become accepted in about 5% of the Muslim world.
2. These 5% are actually now using the political and militant arena to advance their ideology. The idea of militancy against a preceived or real oppression by the world powers represented by the US and Europe is now considered acceptable and although the majority of Muslims abhor violence many wink at this militancy.
3. The autocratic regimes have been exposed for their total failure of providing for their people and for their attachment to ruling without consent.
4. The idea of Muslims as victims is now also accepted in the Muslim world and not withstanding the recent liberations, there is still a perception that the CIA is behind every problem. This is the mantra used by the regimes as well to deflect critique of their performance.
5. The US under Bush reacted the way the jihadists wanted. They expected an invasion of KSA but they were OK to have it as well in Iraq their arch enemy and what they did not count on was the rise of Shia Islam over Sunni Islam in that part.
6. The US population is tired of the ME and we see that the Israeli narrative of Iran being an exitential threat is not finding any takers. Obama has actually distanced himself from Bibi not from Israel but he is not about to engage the US into another folly to protect Israel and fight its wars.
7. The US no longer wants to be in your face in the ME, and yet they still keep getting accused of causing turmoil.
8. The fanatics on both sides have now the field day as we see in this latest fiasco of provocation
9. On this blog, the machinean arguments of black and white that we see in the tit for tat arguments about any pro revolution as being fanatic Salafist and the pro regime being sectarian thugs and criminals.

He must be laughing with the fish in the ocean.

September 14th, 2012, 10:22 am

 

elian said:

If moderator is gone why people are being placed on moderation and some comments disappear directly even if it doesn’t have any hate language, as they say in the USA, you can’t be punished if you said rude or bigots language, as long as you are not acting in hate.

September 14th, 2012, 11:19 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi
Challenges Terry Jones to a Debate
On Twitter:

I challenge Terry Jones to a debate on Prophet Muhammad & terrorism, if he has courage; instead of being coward & hiding, anytime anywhere.

http://www.facebook.com/shaykhabulhuda/posts/10151146877867580

September 14th, 2012, 11:26 am

 

zoo said:

Syrian opposition group to visit China next week

14/09/2012

http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31062

BEIJING, (Reuters) – Members of a Syrian opposition group will visit China next week, China’s Foreign Ministry said on Friday, weeks after an envoy of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s visited, as Beijing steps up diplomacy to help resolve the crisis gripping the country.

China has been keen to show it does not take sides in Syria and has urged the government there to talk to the opposition and take steps to meet demands for political change. It has also said a transitional government should be formed.

Representatives of Syria’s National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change will be in China from September 16-20, China’s Foreign Ministry said. Their last known visit was in February.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said China had always made proactive and constructive efforts to bring about a ceasefire in Syria and start a transition initiated by the Syrian people.

“This visit is part of China’s above mentioned efforts,” Hong told a daily news briefing.

September 14th, 2012, 11:38 am

 

ann said:

Syria does NOT burn American flags and replace them with Al Qaeda flags 🙂

September 14th, 2012, 12:06 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Libyan weapons arming regional conflicts

http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/news/index.php/world-int/world-news/international-news/3478-libyan-weapons-arming-regional-conflicts


The latest market for Libya’s weapons appears to be Egypt’s Sinai peninsua where Egyptian security forces continue to clash with Islamists after a deadly attack last month that left 16 Egyptian soldiers dead. According to media reports the weapons include Soviet-supplied SA-24 surface-to-air missiles. Ibrahim Al-Monaei, who has previously been arrested for smuggling weapons from Egypt to Gaza, told Al Arabiyah TV that all the weapons entering the Sinai Peninsula now are from Libya.

Meanwhile, Jihadists in Syria are being supported by possibly hundreds of former Libyan rebels, many of them from Gharyan, 80km south of Tripoli. The men from Gharyan reportedly joined the ranks of the FSA after the city’s mufti Sheikh Sadik Gharyan called on Libyans to stand by their brothers in Syria.

September 14th, 2012, 12:14 pm

 

ann said:

The Pope Addresses The Alahu Akbar Forces Of Evil and Hate

Importing weapons to Syria a ‘grave sin,’ Pope says – Sep. 14 2012

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/importing-weapons-to-syria-a-grave-sin-pope-says/article4544685/

Pope Benedict XVI arrived in Lebanon on Friday and urged peace at a time of great turmoil in the Middle East, saying the import of weapons to Syria during the country’s civil war is a “grave sin.”

[…]

September 14th, 2012, 12:19 pm

 

Mina said:

All this looks like an efficient demonstration to Netanyahu that no, really, he cannot attack Iran.

Ann,

But he said nothing about the export of weapons to Syria? Haytham Maleh in Cairo can be relieved!

September 14th, 2012, 12:27 pm

 

ann said:

Bye Bye Obama .. Hello Romney ..

Two US universities evacuate campuses; Texas University confirms ‘al-Qaeda bomb threat’ – 14 September, 2012

http://rt.com/usa/news/texas-university-bomb-alqaeda-159/

Two universities have evacuated their campuses after receiving terrorist threats. Officials at the University of Texas at Austin say the man who targeted their school with an alleged bomb claimed to be a member of al-Qaeda.

­The Director of Communications at the University of Texas-Austin, Rhonda Weldon, received a call from a man with a “Middle Eastern” accent who said he was part of al-Qaeda just after 8:30 a.m. local time Friday morning. The caller said that he had placed bombs “all over campus” that would go off after 90 minutes.

Wheldon sent an email telling the students and faculty at the 50,000-strong campus to “get as far away as possible.” Buildings on school property were reported to be vacated within an hour, although Twitter messages sent from the scene suggest that students and faculty are still in the area.

Bobby Blanchard, a reporter with the school’s Daily Texas newspaper, reports via Twitter that students were still close to campus buildings despite pleas from authorities. Others, he reports, relocated to nearby coffee shops to take cover.

An hour-and-a-half after the supposed bomb was scheduled to detonate, Blanchard tweeted that there was no indication that any explosives went off, and that some stragglers were still inside campus buildings.

Shortly after the reports were made, UT student Alec Sanchez told the Waco Tribune that buildings were being shut down but that police presence was initially minimal, despite concerns.

“They’re just standing there. I watched people try to get back on campus but the faculty/administration is guarding campus,” Sanchez said. “I have no idea what is going on. They’re not telling us much.”

Police soon after began combing the scene for any dangerous devices, but were unable to immediately locate any. As a precaution, classes for the day have been cancelled, although the school will allow people to reenter facilities later today.

Events at the North Dakota State University in Fargo followed a similar scenario, though the administrators there have not revealed anything about the identity of their caller.

“NDSU received a bomb threat, prompting this evacuation. Updates will follow,” the school posted on their official website.

North Dakota State University in Fargo has roughly 14,000 students on campus.

[…]

http://rt.com/usa/news/texas-university-bomb-alqaeda-159/

September 14th, 2012, 12:49 pm

 

Antoine said:

On 4th September a high-ranking regime officer in Aleppo claimed that the regime Army will be able to capture Saif al-Dawla by the next 2 days and the whole of Aleppo within 10 days, it is 14th September today and even Saif al-Dawla is mostly still the frontline.

What do the regime supporters have to say about this ?

ALDENDESHE, do you think this Army is capable of taking back the Golan, forget about Jerusalem, when it can’t even take Aleppo ?

Aldendeshe, since you are a strategist, why do you think this Army which SNP hopes will one day take back Golan and Iskanderun, is not able to defeat a bunch of lightly-armed thugs ?

September 14th, 2012, 12:51 pm

 

Tara said:

Ann

please vote for Romney. Assad, Nasrallah and the Mullahs’ heads in one stop shopping.

September 14th, 2012, 1:11 pm

 

ann said:

Ron Paul on Syria and US involvement in the Middle East

This clip is couple of months old, but with the blowback the US got in Libya is exactly what he is talking about.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=061_1347636251

September 14th, 2012, 1:13 pm

 
 
 

ann said:

World watches as Embassies trashed in fall of Islam Spring (Video) 🙂

http://www.examiner.com/article/world-watches-as-embassies-trashed-fall-of-arab-spring

September 14th, 2012, 1:27 pm

 

ann said:

They raised Al Qaeda black flags on our embassy in Liberated Tunisia!

Hellloo!

September 14th, 2012, 1:33 pm

 
 

mjabali said:

Observer said:

“The Salafist discourse on stopping time and returning the society to the seventh century AD and to the first century AH has become accepted in about 5% of the Muslim world.”

Only 5 %. I think they are way more than 5%. You should time that by 10 probably.

September 14th, 2012, 1:41 pm

 

Mina said:

Muslims killing Muslims:
Yemen 4
Lebanon 1
Tunis 3
Iraq ++

al-Brahimi doesn’t need Qatari money:
http://blog.lefigaro.fr/malbrunot/2012/09/syrie-brahimi-ne-veut-pas-etre.html

September 14th, 2012, 1:47 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

254. Antoine

Regime liberate the Golan? Please no.

The Golanese would rather not be ‘liberated’. They know what it means for the regime to (attempt to ) recapture an area (ie Homs, Aleppo).

September 14th, 2012, 1:48 pm

 

Juergen said:

Dumari, a popular Syrian satirical Facebook page, responded to the riots concerning the film about the prophet:” The Arabs are very emotional. Films make them laugh, cry, let them rumble let them freak out and let them kill. But when they see how in Syria mosques and churches are bombed and Korans get burned and women offended, it does not bother them. Because it’s not a movie, its reality. We wish that what is happening in Syria would be a movie. At least then the Arabs would do something for us.

September 14th, 2012, 2:01 pm

 

ann said:

US, UK, and German Embassies in Sudan Torched and Badly Damaged!

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/09/15/Sudanese_protestors_storm_embassies_795075.html

Around 5000 protesters in the Sudanese capital angry over an anti-Islam film have stormed the embassies of Britain and Germany, which has been torched and badly damaged.

[…]

September 14th, 2012, 2:12 pm

 

Mina said:

So for Morsi, freedom of speech is okay as long as it means that MBs and Salafis can make political campaigns built on lies, incitement and sectarianism, or to let some self-proclaimed “shaykhs” rave on Gulf satellite channels all day and call for jihad from the pulpits, but when people attack any segment of a religion (not sure which ones he validates as authorized religions, though) it should be condemned? Must have been watching Bush Junior a lot.
Poor guy, he left Egypt on Wednesday too happy to have fun far away from local problems! Next time he wants to avoid an “assault on Islam”, maybe he could just let the internet and Youtube turned off?

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/52906/Egypt/Politics-/Morsi-slams-antiIslam-film-in-Rome,-rejects-strife.aspx

“This assault on Islam has been condemned by all the nations of the world, including the American people, as was conveyed to me by [US President Barack] Obama during our phone conversation,” Morsi stated.

The Egyptian president went on to stress his rejection of any attempt to promote strife between nations, warning that such “childish” actions “only serve to distract us from real problems, such as ongoing events in Syria.”

September 14th, 2012, 2:12 pm

 
 

ann said:

Where’s Hillary To Explain To The World What’s Happening in The Liberated and Democratic Islamist Spring!

demonstrators scaling the walls of U.S. embassies in Tunisia and Sudan and torching part of a German embassy. Amid the turmoil, Islamic militants waving black banners and shouting “God is great” stormed an international peacekeepers base in Egypt’s Sinai and battled troops, wounding four Colombians.

September 14th, 2012, 2:21 pm

 

Juergen said:

Ann

Isnt that an coincidence that Sudan is reigned by yet an other war criminal and Westerwelle the german foreign minister did met with the sudanese ambassador to Germany this morning( prior to the attack) to discuss the risk of our embassy in Khartoum,obviously its just like the raid of the US embassy in Damascus, the regime did not much to prevent things from happening…

here for all to enjoy, the regime is jumping on the subject as well:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=425537387502648&set=a.288584211197967.70054.288572881199100&type=1&theater

September 14th, 2012, 2:31 pm

 

ann said:

NATO Islamist terrorists torture and execute civilian prisoners

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c6_1347615364

September 14th, 2012, 2:33 pm

 

Mina said:

Jürgen,

If the regime is criminal, why do they have an embassy there? You think Western oil companies don’t sign deals with Sudan on a daily basis?
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/EN/Aussenpolitik/Laender/Laenderinfos/01-Nodes/Sudan_node.html

September 14th, 2012, 2:35 pm

 

Juergen said:

Mina

Sudan had the oil, the major oilfields are in Southsudan now. The war in Darfur was the way for the regime to may pull back the scheduled breakaway of this most important part of the country,by killing and displacing the mostly pagan and christian south there was may be a sight for the regime that once ethnically cleaned no one would vote for independance. Nonevertheless the President of Sudan Omar al Bashir may soon be overrun by the Islamists he personally used in the Darfur region, is that irony of history?

protest sign in syria today:

From a protest in Syria: “The Prophet commanded us to consider the blood of a Muslim to be sacred. He didn’t order you to protest against a film!”

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=282650028510022&set=a.189876921120667.37758.185997731508586&type=1&theater

September 14th, 2012, 2:40 pm

 

ann said:

At UN, Outgoing Assembly Prez Denies He Served Qatar, Won’t Disclose Funding

By Matthew Russell Lee

UNITED NATIONS, September 14 — When Qatar’s Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser came to do his final UN press conference as President of the General Assembly (PGA), he said he could not speak for Qatar.

Inner City Press asked him about Qatar’s funding of his year as PGA: how much did Qatar pay, and how closely aligned was what he did as PGA with Qatar’s foreign policy? Video here, from Minute 33:50.

Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser, after a disarming “I like your questions,” denied there was a connection. He said, “I cannot carry hidden agenda, I cannot decide for member states.”

While that might be true on some matters, Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser issued statements without any vote of the membership, traveled and gave speeches seemingly on behalf of the GA, on Qatar’s priority issues.

Contrary to UN officials who calls for a cessation of violence by all sides in Syria, Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser on Friday said it all depends on the authorities stopping. Under his watch, UN Television cut off just as Syria’s Permanent Representative Bashar Ja’afari began to speak.

To be fair, when Nicaragua’s Miguel d’Escoto Brockmann was PGA, he flew to Honduras about the coup d’etat against Zalaya and pushed a Grupo ALBA agenda. Nicaragua did not provide the funds for all this work so d’Escoto Brockmann was reduced to raising funds from individuals, none of it disclosed.

Speaking of flying, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in the past year has accepted, and disclosed only after questioning by Inner City Press, free air travel from Qatar.

Would he accept such freebies from all UN member states? Could all member states afford to make the offer — or to be PGA?

Inner City Press asked Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser if he thought, to be equitable to poorer countries like Nepal which he and Qatar beat out for Presidency of the GA’s 66th session, PGA funds in the future should just come out of the UN budget.

Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser seemed to agree, saying he has urged the Fifth (Budget) Committee and Advisory Committee on Administrative and Budgetary Matters to provide a sufficient PGA budget.

But when asked on Friday he did not disclose how much Qatar provided him; Inner City Press has previously asked his office in writing without this number being disclosed.

[…]

http://www.innercitypress.com/pga1qatar091412.html

September 14th, 2012, 3:04 pm

 

ann said:

Uncertain World: How the Arab Spring Muddied Post-9/11 Clarity – 13/09/2012

http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20120913/175937514.html

Last Tuesday, September 11, while the United States was commemorating the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, anti-American demonstrations erupted at U.S. consulates in Libya and Egypt.

In an interview with Al Jazeera a few days earlier, Mohammed al Zawahiri, the brother of al Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri, offered to broker a 10-year peace deal between al Qaeda and the West. The U.S. is to abstain from interfering in the affairs of Islamic countries, in return for which the “legitimate rights” of America and the West will be protected and they will stop being provoked.

Mohammed al Zawahiri, who was acquitted by an Egyptian military court in March this year after spending 14 years in Egyptian prisons on extremism charges, is just one beneficiary of the Arab Spring. Many other opponents of the regime have been set free since the fall of the Mubarak regime.

Instead of the clarity that was the objective 10 years ago, we now have complete ideological and political chaos. The Arab Spring has thrown a spanner in the works. The United States has actually become the ally of those forces in Libya, Egypt and Syria which it had been fighting in its war on terror. On the other hand, although al Qaeda overlooked and so could not influence the unrest that was brewing in Arab countries, Islamic extremists are now rapidly becoming part of the process.

[…]

http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20120913/175937514.html

September 14th, 2012, 4:23 pm

 

Hasan said:

Question:
Who has killed more Arabs, the Assad regime or Israel?

Answer:
The Assad regime.

September 14th, 2012, 4:41 pm

 

annie said:

At long last a group of Belgians is moving

http://bandannie.com/2012/09/14/syria-silence-kills-2/

Human Chain
Sunday 16 September 2012 at 13:00
Launch Point: BOZAR
Arrival: Place du Luxembourg
Why
The violence of the Syrian regime in suppressing the protests that shake the entire country for more than a year revolts us. The Syrian regime’s army planes deliberately target the most fragile civil populations, notably hospitals. They also target doctors, families, and journalists.We admire the courage, determination, and resilience of Syrian society, which is fighting for liberty, freedom, and democracy.We are convinced that what is happening in Syria today (despite specificities and differences) is part of the same process that begin in Tunisia in December 2012 – a process that is leading to the fall of one dictatorship after another in the Arab world.
We also recognize that this will prove a long, arduous, and sometimes contradictory process, and that the final result is neither pre-determined nor guaranteed. However, we refuse that this recognition justifies the lack of reaction and mobilisation of the international community in solidarity with democratically driven Syrians.
It is the silence and the insufficient solidarity of European civil society regarding events in Syria that concern us and drive us to this initiative. It is high time for us to organize with our civil societies to end this silence. We want our leaders to move towards decisive action and for Europe to assume a more active role in putting an end to this tragedy.
We ask the European Union and its Member States to:
• Increase humanitarian aid for Syrian refugees and displaced persons, not only in neighbouring countries, but equally and especially inside Syria
• Implement urgent humanitarian aid for the Syrian population
• Facilitate access for Syrian asylum seekers to Europe, to provide them with an adequate reception and welcome, and to facilitate their mobility within the European Union
• Increase European Union funds available for the support of Syrian human rights defenders
• Reinforce sanction policies and to strike all enterprises or individuals, which contribute to the continuation of this regime
• Actively support the calls of the United Nations Human Rights Chief that the crimes perpetrated in Syria be referred to the International Criminal Court
• Increase pressure on the powers implicated in the conflict (in particular Russia and Iran) in order to halt all military support to the Syrian regime
Who we are
We are a group of citizens from diverse cultural, professional, and political backgrounds motivated and animated by the shared determination to break the silence regarding the massacre of the Syrian people. With this initiative, we wish to respond to the call of our friends in Syrian civil society for a strengthened solidarity and mobilization of European civil society.
Concerned and Consternated Citizens

September 14th, 2012, 4:59 pm

 
 

Juergen said:

Some guy said it wisely these days: The Muslim believes that God protectes him, the Islamist thinks he has to protect God.

September 14th, 2012, 5:42 pm

 

Juergen said:

Syrias bloody spring by Uri Avnery

Syria on the Brink
Bloody Spring
by URI AVNERY
On a flight to London in 1961, I had a unique experience.

On the way, the plane made a stop in Athens and a group of Arabs joined us. That by itself was an experience. In those days, Israelis hardly ever met people from Arab countries.

Three young Arabs took seats in the row behind me, and I somehow managed to introduce myself and start a conversation with them. I learned that they were Syrians. I mentioned the recent breakup of the United Arab Republic, the union of Egypt and Syria under the pan-Arab leadership of Gamal Abd-al-Nasser.

My three neighbors were very happy about the split. One of them drew a passport from his bag and passed it to me. It was a shiny new document, issued by Syrian Arab Republic.

There could be no mistake about the immense pride with which this young Syrian showed me – an Israeli enemy – this evidence of Syria’s new-found independence. Here was a Syrian patriot, pure and simple.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/10/bloody-spring-2/

September 14th, 2012, 5:47 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

193

I got 72 thumbs down. I think that’s a record.

September 14th, 2012, 5:52 pm

 

Tara said:

Shouldn’t the mob target a real culprit?  How about Syrian Embassies across the world…Allah and Muhammad have being insulted by Batta every day for the last 18 months and they are watching.   
—–

From the Guardian blog.  

 Nuff Silence@NuffSilence 
“Is the prophet being insulted in the US different than the one being insulted in #Syria?” From a protest in Idlib pic.twitter.com/CEhvZswP
 
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September 14th, 2012, 5:58 pm

 

Tara said:

As violent protests over an anti-Islam video spread across the Muslim world, Syrians online increasingly expressed their bewilderment and frustration over what they believed was a lack of similar outrage over Syria. 

http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/syrians-bewildered-embassy-protests-spread-0022341

Hey Arabs,while ure at it cld u plz demand kicking Syrian ambassadors out of ur countries? Syrian regime has been mocking Islam for a while!
إيديتوراية المُندسّة
Fri, Sep 14 2012 06:57:46
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Syrians are asking to produce an anti-Islam movie in Syria so Muslims in world capitals can pay attention to their dilemma #Syria
Jad Bantha
Fri, Sep 14 2012 06:01:06
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A parody account for Syrian president Bashar al-Assad tweeted cynically about the amount of attention the film’s producers received. 

Wow! Good thing I just bombed mosques, killed women and children and I didn’t make an anti-Muslim video! People would be after me!! #syria

September 14th, 2012, 6:15 pm

 

Tara said:

The Arab world is in a pathetic state of affair. A stupid low-cost movie made the mobs storm Western embassies across the Arab world, killing innocent people, giving the producer the attention he was thriving for and encouraging more hateful attention-seeker sick-minded Islamophobes to do the same, while having done absolutely nothing to protest killing women and children in Syria.

September 14th, 2012, 6:22 pm

 

Tara said:

The Syrian people revolting against Batta have condemned storming the embassy in libya, what about Batta? Has Batta condemned the attack? 0r was he not given the green light by his masters, the mullahs. Was storming embassies not an Iranian invention?

September 14th, 2012, 7:14 pm

 

Albo said:

SoD 243

Sorry about my fantasy views, but they seemed reasonable given your posting, I had this one in memory for example
————-
Karabenemisis,

“All these years of good work, only so some ignorant 18 yo with an AK and a quran can come by to destroy it.”

What good work? Over what years?

What is so wrong with the Quran?
————–
I don’t know, this doesn’t jive well with your last post. It is because of this post I labeled you as a “conservative”. You seemed more annoyed than many at the criticisms of certain posters about the sunni faith and spent considerable energy to answer them.

Now it’s fully possible for a lukewarm believer or even an atheist to be stronly sectarian, and everyone is sectarian in a way or another in Syria and in most arab countries, this is the legacy of tribalism and the root of our conflict. (see your list of priorities, mine is not very different and our lack of nationalism is bad for Syria as a polity)

I don’t know if you were known for holding such contradictions in the past in this forum, but in the “new Syria” envisioned by a lot of people here, including yourself, you’d be in trouble admitting your life choices publicly. I mean that when the guys doing the fight eventually win, the same guys you have been backing in numerous posts, then we will see the same kind of nonsense occuring in the other Arab spring countries. Don’t tell me the opposite.
Probably worse even, as they’d be hardened by the heavy loss of a civil war.

September 14th, 2012, 7:32 pm

 

Albo said:

283. TARA said:

The Arab world is in a pathetic state of affair. A stupid low-cost movie made the mobs storm Western embassies across the Arab world, killing innocent people, giving the producer the attention he was thriving for and encouraging more hateful attention-seeker sick-minded Islamophobes to do the same, while having done absolutely nothing to protest killing women and children in Syria.
————

The day when these kind of caricature become commonplace, and this will probably happen because when you know how the western slash.dot crowd, 4chaners are…
then they will grow accustomed and show simmering anger rather than brutal outbursts. This doesn’t mean they are indifferent.

# 238, visitor,
If we forget a moment your empty slogans, you’re the one who deserves the most an enquiry on whether he’s Syrian or not.
After all, you have been paying lip service all along for salafism, an ideology originally alien to Syrians, and you’re all too busy defending khalijiyins to not be suspect of foreign loyalties.

September 14th, 2012, 7:47 pm

 

Observer said:

My post name is observer because I try to be as objective as possible and I confess that when it comes to the brutality of the regime I have been more emotional.
If you look at my previous posts I do put what I think is clear and concise and accurate description of the situation.

I did in the past recognize the fact that Syria scored several successes in its fight against the US project in Iraq and in Lebanon and in confronting the Israeli hegemony over corrupt dictatorships.

I also recognized that the initial success of HA was followed by the usual corruption of power and in reality the Israel aim of quieting the border was achieved.

I also noted that the fact that the revolution in Syria is mainly about freedom.

So in this long winded post I respond to Majbali by telling him that the Muslims of Indonesia, Malaysia, Morocco, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia and in many other countries are peaceful and tolerant and in those countries where Islam spread it idid so with Sufi doctrine. So I stand by my estimate that at the very most 5% are fanatic.
The estimate of Al Qaeda having trained about 100 000 members speaks volumes about that figure.

I also would like to say that about 5% of minorities in the ME are rabidly anti Islam, and not anti muslims. Some are fanatic about demonizing Islam at its core. Some are fanatic because of previous oppression and oppression was mainly Ottoman and later Nationalist Turkish but in also was based on religious discrimination.

These 5% on either side have hijacked the discourse and are the arsonists that thrive by pouring fuel on the fires.

So Majbali I hope you are not part of the 5% that have such hatred of the other so as to demonize it and then permit all and every atrocity imaginable.

For I do believe that the hard core members of the regime are the leaders of this peculiar 5% of hateful group of fanatics.

Finally I do take care of several Amish families and they have opted in their belief system to preserve a way of life that in their minds is closest to the life and teaching os Jesus Christ precisely by shunning any aspect of modernity. So they see me in clinic without buttons and they do not use electricity and they do not drive.

I do not for one minute consider them fanatic or militant for they never try to impose their way of life on anyone and they even allow their children to experience the modern world and decide for themselves how to live.

Those that wish to live Islam by returning to seventh century Arabia are free to do so as long as they do not impose it on others.

By the way a whole section of Israeli and Jewish society lives in biblical time to this day as we see Hassidic families with the males spending all their time in prayer and study while living on the welfare of society to the point that it is creating a problem both in Tel Aviv and in New York.

They also have a very high birth rate just like the Amish.

My point that was missed is that we find fanatics everywhere now and their discourse is the main theme just as the Norwegian Andres Beverik claimed that in his logic the fanaticism exhibited by Islamists is to be commended and he is doing exactly the same in defending Western and Christian civilization by his violence.

September 14th, 2012, 8:17 pm

 

zoo said:

Nato’s unplanned Post-Qaddafi scenario…
Libya’s Downward Spiral

The country has been going to hell in a handbasket for months now. We just weren’t paying attention.

BY CHRISTOPHER S. CHIVVIS | SEPTEMBER 13, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/13/libyas_dowanward_spiral?page=full

The tragic death this week of four U.S. officials, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, is a major turning point for Libya’s transition to lasting stability.

As details emerge, it appears increasingly probable that al Qaeda-linked groups were behind the violence, likely acting in reprisal for the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, Al Qaeda’s second in command, who was killed by a drone strike in Pakistan earlier this year. Just prior to the Benghazi assault, on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri released an Internet video in which, according to CNN, he said that al-Libi’s “blood is calling, urging and inciting you to fight and kill the crusaders.”

Even if the deaths were not linked to al Qaeda or its dangerous North African affiliates, the event is still a major threat to Libya’s chances of successful transition to stability, and could be a watershed of the worst kind. The nightmare scenario that Libya could go the way of Iraq in 2004 is still not likely, but no longer seems implausible.

This violence has come in three forms:

September 14th, 2012, 8:29 pm

 

zoo said:

What We Can Learn from the Attacks on U.S. Embassies

This week’s U.S. embassy attacks are the product of intense jockeying for power in an Arab political landscape riven with both new and familiar challenges. Here are five key lessons to take away from an ugly week

By Tony Karon | @tonykaron | September 14, 2012
http://world.time.com/2012/09/14/what-we-can-learn-from-the-attacks-on-u-s-embassies/5/

1. Fear of a Black Flag (or It’s the Salafists, S-tupid)

2. Egypt’s Leaders are Politically Weak and are Navigating a Minefield

3. Post-Gaddafi Libya Is, at Best, a State in the Making

4. Despite Obama’s Outreach, the Arab World Dislikes the U.S. More than Ever

5. Syria: Proceed with Caution

The murder of four U.S. diplomats in Benghazi likely crushed the hope, held by some Syrian rebels, that Washington will lead an international intervention to topple the Assad regime in the way that it helped Libyans to dispatch Gaddafi. That scenario had always been a long shot, of course, with U.S. officials strenuously warning from the beginning of the rebellion that Syria was different and that militarizing the uprising would not bring the cavalry to the rescue.

Over the 18 months of the Syrian uprising, concerns have only grown over the consequences of toppling Assad, his brutality notwithstanding. There’s the growing prospect of a regionwide conflagration, and Syria already seems deep in the throes of a sectarian civil war. The regime retains the loyalty of a hard core of Alawites, while the rebel forces are overwhelmingly Sunni — and Thursday’s report by Britain’s Telegraph that the Christians of Aleppo have formed a militia to fight against the rebels (while the Kurds in the northeast stake out a de facto autonomous statelet) underscore the risks.

But there could also be a visceral response to the fact that the same black flag carried by those who attacked the U.S. facilities in Cairo, Benghazi and Sana‘a has been flown by some rebel fighting units in Syria, where a small but unmistakable Salafist element (comprising foreign and local fighters) is trying to claim a growing role in the uprising. The proxy-war strategy adopted by the Gulf states led by Saudi Arabia, on the basis that the Assad regime is a close ally of Iran, has seen a strengthening of some such groups operating in both Lebanon and Syria.

Although their relative strength is hard to assess, Salafist groups, including large numbers of foreign fighters, are sufficiently engaged in the struggle against the Assad regime in Syria to give many in Washington pause. Those who most favor intervention are arguing that the Salafist surge elsewhere simply highlights the need to bring Syria’s conflict to an end by toppling the regime, mindful that extremist influence is more likely to grow in a prolonged war. Skeptics will see in the causes of the events of recent days a vindication of restraint.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/09/14/what-we-can-learn-from-the-attacks-on-u-s-embassies/#ixzz26UhjCHT6

September 14th, 2012, 8:37 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

Again to further shatter you made up fantasies about me (when will you learn?)…

I have defended Christians, Alawis, and Shiites on the board. If I use your jiving logic that makes me a Salafi Christian Alawi Shi3i?

It annoys the hell out of me to see peoples faiths dragged through the mud, no matter what faith it is. There is absolutely nothing religious nor conservative in asking what is wrong with the Quran, and I would have asked the same exact question if the subject matter was the Bible, Torah, or any other religious text (except maybe that crazy kook Ron Hubbard and any of his “religious” writings).

“lack of nationalism is bad for Syria”

Nationalism is offensive in nature and breeds bigotry and hatred (Nazi, National Fascist Party, Franco’s Fascist Party, Baath Party, ….), Patriotism on the other hand is defensive in nature and is accepting towards others:

Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality

Orwell

“the legacy of tribalism and the root of our conflict”

No Baath and the Assad family is the root of this conflict, this revolution started peaceful and had Assad and his henchmen not dragged it through blood it would have remained so. And Syria as a Democracy existed before this sorry excuse of a regime tried to annihilate it, since you seem to need a little brief history lesson on what Syria WAS before this murderous regime have a look at this comment I wrote awhile back.

As for your simplistic labelling of the opposition it is as fantasy filled as your rather simplistic labelling of me, maybe it is time to stop labelling people and actually read what they have to say. I promise you, you will be surprised at how misinformed you have been.

Here is a good start for you:
http://www.thedayafter-sy.org/media/thedayafteren.pdf

September 14th, 2012, 8:40 pm

 

Ghufran said:

أكدت وزيرة الخارجية الأميركية هيلاري كلينتون، اليوم الجمعة، في مراسم استقبال جثامين الأميركيين الأربعة، الذين قتلوا الثلاثاء في قنصليتها في بنغازي شرقي ليبيا، أن مقتلهم “غير مقبول”.
وأضافت كلينتون لدى وصول جثامين الأميركيين الأربعة، وبينهم جثمان السفير كريس ستيفنز، “أن شعوب مصر وليبيا واليمن وتونس لم تستبدل طغيان دكتاتور بطغيان (عصابات) الغوغاء”.
You can argue that the actions of the mobs hurt and did not help the Arab Spring ,if you still think that there is such a thing as Arab Spring, but that does not mean that the mobs were Fuloul or agents of previous dictatorships, the fingerprints of Islamists ,not necessarily the MBs, are all over the place.
Clinton remarks are a warning ,they also reflect a heated debate in Western governments about whether giving revolutionists a blank check was wise or not, the mobs are shooting their cause in the foot, many counter revolutionists are now taking a deep breath.

September 14th, 2012, 8:40 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama Should Fire Hillary
September 13, 2012 By Jeremy Lott 36 Comments

International headlines have stacked up an impressive list of horribles for the United States this week.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jeremylott/2012/09/obama-should-fire-hillary/

After the disastrous 2006 midterm elections, George W. Bush decided that the US government had to change its approach to Iraq and thus Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was shown the door. Now, it is clear US diplomacy is in need of a major overhaul as well. Obama should look to his predecessor’s example and fire Hillary Clinton at the earliest opportunity.

September 14th, 2012, 8:42 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Here is a western point view about the recent attacks on US embassies:
http://world.time.com/2012/09/14/what-we-can-learn-from-the-attacks-on-u-s-embassies/?iid=gs-main-lede
Keep your political and religious emotions aside, what those attacks clearly show is that changing regimes is the easy part, changing nations is a much harder task.
Zoo posted the article already.

September 14th, 2012, 8:47 pm

 

Visitor said:

285,

Albo,

I will defend the khalijis because they are our brothers. So eat your heart out. You will never be able or allowed to drive a wedge between Syrians and our true brothers.

I do not consider so-called salafists as alien to the Syrian culture. In fact, salafism is Syrian in origin and not khaliji. The most important salafist tomb is in Damascus. In the overall picture of things I refuse to portray Islam as Salafists vs no-salafists as you and many others like you would like to do to serve your agenda of hate and division of Muslims.

Furthermore, I will not do as some would try to do in order to prove their so-called liberalism by declaring their willingness to consume alcohol or eat pork. This is the most shallow argument for such purpose. No, I do not drink and do not eat pork. Further, from my point of view any Muslim who declares doing so is in violation of Islam. So is this salafist enough for you? I do not care and will not seek to prove anything to you or anyone. But from now on if you or anyone else opens his/her mouth about so-called salafists you will receive the harshest rebuke. So be careful. Salafists are our brothers in faith and when it comes to a choice between your likes and them they are our preference.

Again eat your heart out.

September 14th, 2012, 9:06 pm

 

DAMASCUSROSE said:

الى الأمة العربية .. بعد ” الطز ” ألف تحية …..بلال فوراني

ما أخبار فلسطين .. شعب بلا وطن .. وطن سرقوا منه الهوية

ما أخبار لبنان .. ملهى ليلي كراسيه خشبية وطاولته طائفية

ما أخبار سوريا .. بقرة سمينة تكالبت عليها سكاكين الهمجية

ما أخبار العراق .. بلد الموت اللذيذ والرحلة فيه مجانية

ما أخبار الأردن .. لا صوت ولا صورة والاشارة فيه وطنية

ما أخبار مصر .. عروس بعد الثورة ضاجعها الاخونجية

ما أخبار ليبيا .. بلدّ تحولّ الى معسكر اسلحة وأفكار قبلية

ما أخبار تونس .. انتعلّ رئاستها مهرجّ بدعوى الديمقراطية

ما أخبار المغرب .. انتسب الى مجلس خليجي باسم الملكيّة

ما أخبار الصومال .. علمها عند الله الذي لا تخفى عنه خفيّة

ما أخبار السودان .. صارت بلدان والخير خيران باسم الحرية

ما أخبار اليمن .. صالحها مسافر وطالحها كافر وشعبها قضيّة منسيّة

ما أخبار عمان .. بلد بكل صدق لا تسمع عنه إلا في النشرات الجوية

ما أخبار السعودية .. أرض تصدرّ التمر وزادت عليه الافكار الوهابية

ما أخبار الامارات .. قبوّ سري جميل تحاك فيه كل المؤامرات السرية

ما أخبار الكويت .. صارت ولاية عربية من الولايات المتحدة الامريكية

ما أخبار البحرين .. شعب يموت ولا أحد يذكره في خطاباته النارية

ما أخبار قطر .. عرابّة الثورات وخنجر الخيانات ومطبخ للامبريالية

الى الأمة العربية .. بعد ” الطز ” لم يعد يليق بكِ التحية

لم يعد يليق بكِ سوى النعيق والنهيق على أحلامك الوردية

لم يعد يليق بكِ سوى أن تكوني سجادة تدوس عليها الأقدام الغربية

لم يعد يليق بكِ شعارت الثورة حين صار ربيعك العربي مسرحية

لم يعد يليق بكِ الحرية حين صارت صرخاتك كلها في الساحة دموية

لم يعد يليق بكِ أن تصرخيّ بالاسلام وتهمتكِ بالأصل أنكِ ارهابية

لم يعد يليق بك يا أمة مؤتمراتها مؤامرات وكلامها تفاهات وقراراتها وهمية

لم يعد يليق بكِ يا أمة جامعتها مثل فندق عاهرات يمارسوا فيه المجامعة الجنسية

لم يعد يليق بكِ التحيةّ.

يا أمة دفنت كرامتها وعروبتها تحت التراب وهي حيّة؟

على حافة الوطن

تزحلق الولد بصابونة فسقط على ظهره وانكسر حوضه العربي

وجاؤوا له بجبيرة مهترأة متعفنّة… اسمها الوطنّ الغبيّ

نظر لأمه بغضب قائلا:لما لم تنجبي لي أخا أسند ظهري عليه.

قالت له بأسى واضح: تعال يا ولدي أخبرك ما فعل قابيل بأخيه…

September 14th, 2012, 9:24 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor,

Salsfism is Syrian in origin?

Visitor, I come from a prototype Damascene Sunni family, they are not salafi .

Nevertheless, for the right or wrong reason, I am impressed with your answer. Are you religious?

September 14th, 2012, 9:24 pm

 

Visitor said:

296 TARA,

Before I answer your questions:

You do not know that ‘salafism’ is Syrian in origin and not khaliji?

Whatever your answer is, what do you know about so-called salafism?

September 14th, 2012, 9:42 pm

 

zoo said:

Israelis frightened and isolated by the increase of animosity in Arab countries are ready to cajole Turkey.

Israelis readier than ever for raid apology, poll shows

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/israelis-readier-than-ever-for-raid-apology-poll-shows.aspx?pageID=238&nID=30176&NewsCatID=338

A majority of Israelis favor apologizing to Turkey two years after the killings of nine aid activists on a flotilla, according to a poll conducted by a think tank in Israel. ‘The results have been a surprise, since a year ago this would have been unthinkable,’ says the head of the think tank, Dr Nimrod Goren, noting the impact of the Arab Spring
Israeli people now have a better understanding that Turkey is an ally of the West, a friend of US and an actor that has leverage over Arab countries, says

The Arab Spring appears to have changed the views of Israelis on Turkey, as a recent poll revealed that a majority favor Israel apologizing to Turkey for the 2010 killings of Turks in a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, an Israeli think tank head has said.

The public opinion poll of The Israeli Institute for Regional Foreign Policies (MITVIM) revealed that 54 percent of Israelis with an opinion would support Tel Aviv in ending its intransigence and apologizing for the killings of the nine aid activists.

September 14th, 2012, 9:46 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor

In a nutshell, strict literal interpretation of Quraan and Hadeeth which call for application of shariaa law, may be mixed with some Takfiri ideology that think people who do not subscribe to similar ideology as kafir..

September 14th, 2012, 9:50 pm

 

ann said:

Syrian govt. says national economy solid as a rock – 2012-09-15

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2012-09/15/content_15759862.htm

DAMASCUS – After 18 months of unrest, the Syrian government says its economy is still rock-hard though admitting its dismal performance over the past years.

Syrian Prime Minister Wael al-Halki said in an interview aired late Thursday by the state-run TV that the Syrian economy is still “balanced,” while other Syrian officials promised that new economic measures are coming to correct previous bad performance.

Economists said the protracted crisis has affected all kinds of business and that the country is stuck in an actual doldrums, pleading on the government to enhance its performance and modernize current economic policies.

Recently, unemployment continues to nudge up, with inflation rate above 30 percent and sales slumped.

Recent financial data predicted that the Syrian foreign debt will amount to $11.1 billion in 2012, an increase of about 1.2 percent from last year.

The data, based on the International Monetary Fund’s information, said that the Syrian foreign debt was $9 billion in 2010 and $9.9 billion in 2011.

The real growth rate of the gross domestic product (GDP), according to data recently released by an Arab institution, was negative by 2 percent in 2011, but it noted that there are indications that it will be positive by 1.5 percent in 2012.

However, the Syrian prime minister said that regardless of the world pressure and economic sanctions, the economic performance can remain satisfactory no matter how long the crisis might last.

He assured Syrians that the Syrian pound is still stable and has been trading at around 70 against the dollar for more than three months owing to the Central Bank of Syria’s positive interference, adding that most of the financial difficulties have been overcome by pegging the pound to other currencies.

Halki stressed that Syria has a stockpile of Syrian pounds that exceed 600 billion.

Still, economists believe that the central bank may need to bolster stimulus as the economy faces a deeper-than-expected slowdown.

The country’s Deputy Minister of Economy and Foreign Trade, Abdul Salam Ali, said in a recent statement that the current circumstances in Syria require a thorough review of all economic decisions pertaining to import and export procedures that are needed by local markets.

Ali added that the ministry is seriously studying ways of facilitating import procedures in light of the new orientations to ensure the market needs from the products of eastern countries, especially China, Russia, India and Iran.

He said that the Ministry of Economy and Foreign Trade reconsiders the negative list issued over the past few years when the government had tried to open markets and achieve an economic overture.

He added that this openness led to a clear imbalance in the market and negatively affected the citizen and the national economy alike.

He pointed out that the new import and export procedures would be for the mutual benefit of both the traders and the national economy.

The government said that its top priority now is to find a real balance between wages and consumption expenditures, particularly for low-income people and the laboring class.

[…]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2012-09/15/content_15759862.htm

September 14th, 2012, 9:51 pm

 

ann said:

Source: This is how Islamists knew of secret U.S. safe house – 29 mins ago

Official warns of large scale al-Qaida infiltration

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/source-this-is-how-islamists-knew-of-secret-u-s-safehouse/

{…}

Similarly, the Obama administration is currently aiding the rebels fighting Bashar al-Assad’s government in Syria amid widespread reports that al-Qaida jihadists are included in the ranks of the so called “Free Syrian Army”.

During the revolution against Gadhafi’s regime, the U.S. admitted to directly arming the rebel groups.

At the time, rebel leader Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi admitted in an interview that a significant number of the Libyan rebels were al-Qaida fighters, many of whom had fought U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He insisted his fighters “are PATRIOTS and GOOD MUSLIMS, NOT TERRORISTS,” but added that the “members of al-Qaida are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader.”

Adm. James Stavridis, NATO supreme commander for Europe, admitted Libya’s rebel force may include al-Qaida: “We have seen flickers in the intelligence of potential al-Qaida.”

Former CIA officer Bruce Riedel went even further, telling the Hindustan Times: “There is no question that al-Qaida’s Libyan franchise, LIFG “Libyan Islamic Fighting Group”, is a part of the opposition. It has always been Gadhafi’s biggest enemy and its stronghold is Benghazi. What is unclear is how much of the opposition is al-Qaida/Libyan Islamic Fighting Group – 2 percent or 80 percent.”

In Syria, meanwhile, the U.S. may be currently supporting al-Qaida and other jihadists fighting with the rebels targeting Assad’s government.

Last month, WND quoted a senior Syrian source claiming at least 500 hardcore mujahedeen from Afghanistan, many of whom were spearheading efforts to fight the U.S. there, have been killed in clashes with Syrian forces last month.

Also last month, WND reported that Jihadiya Salafia in the Gaza Strip, a group that represents al-Qaida in the coastal territory, had declared three days of mourning for its own jihadists who died in Syria in recent weeks.

There have been widespread reports of al-Qaida among the Syrian rebels, including in reports by Reuters and the New York Times.

WND reported in May there is growing collaboration between the Syrian opposition and al-Qaida as well as evidence the opposition is sending weapons to jihadists in Iraq, according to an Egyptian security official.

The military official told WND that Egypt has reports of collaboration between the Syrian opposition and three al-Qaida arms, including one that operates in Libya:

* Jund al-Sham, which is made up of al-Qaida militants who are Syrian, Palestinian and Lebanese;

* Jund al-Islam, which in recent years merged with Ansar al-Islam, an extremist group of Sunni Iraqis operating under the al-Qaida banner and operating in Yemen and Libya;

* Jund Ansar al-Allah, an al-Qaida group based in Gaza linked to Palestinian camps in Lebanon and Syria.

U.S. officials have stated the White House is providing nonlethal aid to the Syrian rebels while widespread reports have claimed the U.S. has been working with Arab countries to ensure the opposition in Syria is well armed.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/source-this-is-how-islamists-knew-of-secret-u-s-safehouse/

September 14th, 2012, 9:52 pm

 

zoo said:

Is this the Post-Assad plan concocted by the West?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/world/middleeast/anti-american-protests-over-film-enter-4th-day.html?ref=global-home

The wave of unrest not only increased concern in the West but raised new questions about political instability in Egypt, Tunisia and other Middle East countries where newfound freedoms, once suppressed by autocratic leaders, have given way to an absence of authority. The protests also seemed to highlight the unintended consequences of America’s support of movements to overthrow those autocrats, which have empowered Islamist groups that remain implacably hostile to the West.

“We have, throughout the Arab world, a young, unemployed, alienated and radicalized group of people, mainly men, who have found a vehicle to express themselves,” Rob Malley, the Middle East-North African program director for the International Crisis Group, a consulting firm, said in a telephone interview from Tripoli, Libya.

In a number of these countries, particularly Egypt and Tunisia, he said, “the state has lost a lot of its capacity to govern effectively. Paradoxically, that has made it more likely that events like the video will make people take to the streets and act in the way they did.”

September 14th, 2012, 10:01 pm

 

Visitor said:

299 TARA,

That is all you know? What about its origin? Is it Syrian or khaliji?

September 14th, 2012, 10:04 pm

 

zoo said:

Ann #303

It is amazing that the SP pound did not collapse and that wages are still paid to all the civil servants.
After 18 months of turmoil, a plethora of sanctions, terrorists acts on industrial and commercial complexes, if these figures are correct, it is an incredible achievement.
I wonder if Ehsani could enlightened us about that

September 14th, 2012, 10:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor

Not Syrian.

Do not answer if you do not want too. May be it is better not to answer. Lots of people on this blog are not that civil and they often use personal info to viciously attack other people while they are cowardly afraid to reveal anything about themselves.

September 14th, 2012, 10:11 pm

 

Visitor said:

305 TARA,

I do not care what others would say.

First, your answer is WRONG. Salafism IS Syrian in origin.

Second, your information is obviously based on mainstream distorted media coverage.

To answer your question: YEST I AM.

Do you want to know more about anything else? Ask on.

September 14th, 2012, 10:25 pm

 

ann said:

Anti-film protests spread across Muslim world – 9 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-film-protests-spread-across-muslim-world-164455189.html

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The day of protests, which spread to around 20 countries, started small and mostly peacefully in countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The most violent demonstrations took place in the Middle East. In many places, only a few hundred took to the streets, mostly ultraconservative Islamists — but the mood was often furious.

The demonstrators came out after weekly Friday Muslim prayers, where many clerics in their mosque sermons called on congregations to defend their faith, denouncing the obscure movie produced in the United States that denigrated the Prophet Muhammad. At least one protester was killed around the region.

Several thousand demonstrators protested outside the US Embassy in Tunis and battled with security forces, throwing stones as police fired volleys of tear gas and shot in the air. Some protesters scaled the embassy wall and stood on top of it, planting a black flag with the Islamic profession of faith, “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROFIT.”

The heaviest violence came in Sudan, where a prominent sheik on state radio urged protesters to march on the German Embassy to protest alleged anti-Muslim graffiti on mosques in Berlin and then to the U.S. Embassy to protest the film.

“America has long been an enemy to Islam and to Sudan,” Sheik Mohammed Jizouly said.

Leaders of Egypt’s Jihad group, a former militant organization, held a conference in the Egyptian city of Alexandria and said anyone involved in “defamation” of the prophet should be killed. They called on Morsi to cut relations with U.S.

“I appeal to President Mohammed Morsi to cut our relations with those monkeys and pigs,” said Rifaei Taha, a leading member of the group.

A small, peaceful demonstration was held Friday outside the U.S. Embassy in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.

Hundreds of hardline Muslims held peaceful protests against the film throughout Pakistan, shouting slogans and carrying banners criticizing the U.S. and those involved in the film.

Police in Islamabad set up barricades and razor wire to prevent protesters from getting to the diplomatic enclave, where the U.S. Embassy and many other foreign missions are located. Protests were also held in Karachi, Peshawar and Lahore, where protesters shouted “Down with America” and some burned the U.S. flag. About 200 policemen and barbed wire ringed the U.S. Consulate in Lahore.

About 1,500 protest in the eastern city of Jalalabad, shouting “Death to America” and urge President Hamid Karzai to cut relations with the U.S.

A prominent cleric in Indonesia urged Muslims there to remain calm despite their anger about the film. But Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia, a branch of the international network that advocates a worldwide Islamic state, on its website blamed the U.S. government for allowing the film to be produced and released, calling it “an act of barbarism that cannot go unpunished.”

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-film-protests-spread-across-muslim-world-164455189.html

September 14th, 2012, 10:35 pm

 

ann said:

News Analysis: Anti-Islam movie threatens Arab relations with Washington – 2012-09-15

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/15/c_123718814.htm

“These events will badly influence the Arab countries… which have witnessed most furious protests over anti-Islam film,” Fakhry Tahtawi, professor of Political Sciences in Cairo University, told Xinhua.

It raises possibilities of the United States’ intervention, added Tahtawi, noting “the interference might be military, such as sending marine forces and battleships to Libyan coasts over the killing of four American employees in the U.S. consulate.”

The intervention in Egypt might be prominent in exercising pressures to stop the American aids, inciting the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to halt its loans and crippling foreign investments due to security instability justifications, the analyst added.

“This movie embarrasses the Islamic movements” which are ruling several Arab countries, posing challenges to their relations with the U.S. administration, Tahtawi said.

Talaat Rameh, another Egyptian political analyst, agreed with Tahtawi as saying “The Arab-U.S. relations are moving towards deterioration.”

Rameh quoted U.S. President Barack Obama as saying that the United States now considers Egypt neither as an ally nor as the enemy, noting this as “very serious” in regard to Egyptian ties with the United States.

“Washington might change its polices towards the region, if protests against its interests wouldn’t be controlled,” Rameh added.

The inability of the United States to recognize the change in the Islamic world is due to its failure in changing its approaches of dealing with those countries after their upheavals, the analyst noted.

{…}

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-09/15/c_123718814.htm

September 14th, 2012, 10:56 pm

 

mjabali said:

Visitor said:

“Salafism IS Syrian in origin.”

Wrong again mr. Visitor.

1- There was no Syria when Salfism came up.

2- Ahmad ibn Hanbal: is not Syrian.

3- Mohammad ibn Abd al-Wahab: is not Syrian.

4- Your lovely hero Ibn Taymiyah is not Syrian although he operated in Damascus. He was just a little clergy figure at the service of the foreigners who were occupying the land that became Syria at that time.

So how Salafism is Syrian? care to explain this wrong statement of yours?

September 14th, 2012, 10:58 pm

 

ann said:

MJABALI,

VATTY the half-educated plow horse was just laying another one of his eggs on us unsuspecting poor souls 8)

September 14th, 2012, 11:05 pm

 

ann said:

MJABALI,

What’s up with your number 1 and 4?!

There was no Syria!

Syria was Syria before time was time!

September 14th, 2012, 11:13 pm

 

zoo said:

Has the Arab Spring been hijacked by radical Islamists?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/has-the-arab-spring-been-hijacked-by-radical-islamists.aspx?pageID=449&nID=30188&NewsCatID=409

No one knows what might have happened if Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi had not asked his people not to take to the streets after the Friday prayers and to treat Westerners in the country as guests, “like every good Muslim.” Possibly people all around the world would have read worse stories from Egypt and possibly from other Arab countries where the Muslim Brotherhood is well organized.

The Brotherhood, or “Ihvan” in Arabic, was known as a radical group until the Arab Spring began. Now it represents the center of Islamist politics, and is a symbol for moderation. Is that really so, or has the center of gravity of Islamist politics further shifted because the definition of radicalism in the Islamic world has changed? Possibly the second, thanks to the growing presence of the Jihadi/Salafi groups armed to the teeth and ready to kill themselves and other people for their cause. Perhaps we should say thanks to the U.S.-led Western policies that supported them covertly for decades against the Soviet Union during the Cold War. The Cold War is over, the Soviet Union is gone, and this is what the world has had on its hands since the beginning of the global guerilla war with the Sept. 11, 2001 al-Qaeda attacks.
….

September 14th, 2012, 11:39 pm

 

Visitor said:

309 MJ,

If Ibn Tamiya is not Syrian, then you’re not. You’re most likely from Asfahan.

But even Ibn Hanbal is closer to being Syrian than you. He is at least Baghdadi and not Persian.

As for Abd al-Wahhab, he can be hardly described as an originator when he was merely copying.

And the question was about the origin of Salafism. So, for your information, Ibn Tamiya was born and raised in Syria. And he was the originator of political Salafism.

But which foreigners was he serving as you falsely claim? As far as we know he spent most of his life in prisons and even died in prison?

On the other hand, we know that alawites of Ibn Tamiya’s time were serving the Mongols. So, why are you accusing others of the treasons of your ancestors? Is this some form of self-absolving mechanism for shedding guilt on others as your current prethident is doing by accusing the victims of his crimes? It looks like a pattern that runs deep in the family!!

Did you consult with your dog before coming up with your answer? It seems to me that you didn’t this time; otherwise you wouldn’t have come up with such a stupid answer. Or has Ann now taken your dog’s place?

Now, if you read #311, you may have to think about getting a better leash for your new dog (sorry bitch for gender sake). But, frankly this is the first time she makes a half-intelligent comment. I’d say you’re better off with your old dog.

September 14th, 2012, 11:40 pm

 

ann said:

As far as we know he spent most of his life in prisons and even died in prison?

The followers of a convict 8)

September 14th, 2012, 11:45 pm

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

You said that you are an “objective” man who helps others and never discriminate. You listed many good qualities of yours. This is great. Personally I have no doubt that you are a good person.

But, here is my response to some of your points hoping you respect for once my ideas without labeling me as your habit:

1- You said the Islam entered in a Sufi form into many countries and that is why you consider the Muslims from those places to be less violent and more tolerant. To this I say that maybe Islam entered into some of the countries you mentioned through Sufism, but, that was over 1000 years ago. The last 1000 years of history to any Muslim country was not spent in harmony and love, instead sectarianism, racism…etc made the Muslim world a place of perpetual tension.

2- If you have election in all of the countries you mentioned the Salafis would take a very notable percentage. Way more that the %5 you gave them. In countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Pakistan, Afghanistan: Salafis would take in 80 percent and up. In countries like Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Tunisia, Algeria: Salafis would take at least 1/4 of the votes if not more. The %5 Salafis is way too little. You have to see the trends these days. There is no Sufi trend. Sufis are getting out of fashion. Some parties are waging a war against them. Sufis are in retreat and not expanding. Salafism is expanding.

3- If al-Qiaida opens a training camp in Cairo they would get 100,000 recruits in one day.

September 14th, 2012, 11:50 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

#293 “Keep your political and religious emotions aside, what those attacks clearly show is that changing regimes is the easy part, changing nations is a much harder task.”

So we just keep our heads in the sand, leave the tyrants to their thieving and oppression and keep repeating the mantra over and over: “OMMM, We’re fine, we’ve got internet, McDonalds and KFC and a woman can walk on the street alone at 3:00 am without fear…OMMM”.

September 15th, 2012, 12:08 am

 

Ghufran said:

دعا رئيس الوزراء العراقي نوري المالكي ممثلين عن عدد من الفصائل السورية المعارضة خلال زيارة لبغداد، إلى الاستفادة من “تجربة العراق في التغيير”.
وذكر بيان صادر عن المكتب الإعلامي للمالكي، أن رئيس الوزراء استقبل اليوم “وفدا يضم ممثلين عن عدد من فصائل المعارضة السورية برئاسة الدكتور محمود دحام المسلط رئيس مكتب العلاقات الخارجية للمجلس الوطني السوري في أميركا وكندا”.
Two questions:
What is the SNC doing in Iraq?
Is Maliki really a role model for a future Syians president?
Iraq’s ” change” was forced by a foreign invasion that alienated Iraqi sunnis and opened Iraq to Iran.
Mr Maliki,we do not want your ” change”.
Now, the other part,SNC visit and the statement it followed about a “political solution” is a much bigger gum for pundits to chew on.

September 15th, 2012, 12:24 am

 

sf94123 said:

Muslim Brotherhood جماعة الإخوان المسلمون and Salafis سلفى (two sides of the same coin) are both radical Islamists. الدجّال and شيخ الاسلام know that first hand. Wolf in sheep’s clothing, they can’t be trusted – The west and Israel will soon realize that they made a big mistake in the ME. Party is over!

September 15th, 2012, 12:27 am

 

Ghufran said:

Mr atheist,
The revolution is over, we now have a civil war, the regime in practical terms has already fallen,the fight now is to save what can be saved of Syria.
Assad and his family can not rule Syria even if they win this war, a new reality is already established, whether the armed rebellion helped or hurt Syria is a matter for debate, I made my position clear, using violence helped the regime thugs, foreign jihadists and Israel,all others have lost,there is no way to beautify this pig .

September 15th, 2012, 12:31 am

 

mjabali said:

Visitor:

Ibn Taymiyah was not a Syrian. He is a Kurd born to a famous Hanbali clergy family. His father was at the service of the Hanbali rulers of Damascus at the time.

Ibn Taymiyah never said the word Syrian once in his writings. There was no Syrian identity when Ibn Taymiyah was around. Ibn Taymiyah’s version of history does not include anything Syrian.

Ibn Taymiyah was a clergy for the ruler, the same way we have al-Buti and Hassoun working for al-Assad.

As for the occupiers of Syria that Ibn Taymiyah served under that is no secret.

As for if Ibn Taymiyah worked for the Mongols: yes he did work for Mohammad Ibn Qalawuun, a Mongol who occupied Syria. Ibn Taymiyah issued fatwa after fatwa to legitimize the brutal deeds of Mohammad Ibn Qalawuun. Ibn Taymiyah was unique in his ideas of hatred. Salafism came from this cook. The word “kill them” or “to be killed” came hundreds of times in his most important book that gathered all of his Fatawi/decrees : the name of the book is al-Fatawa al-Kubra. If you read the book you could see how Ibn Taymiyah reflected that he is a foreigner to Syria through the ease he issued his bloody religious decrees dehumanizing the Alawis and other Syrian minorities.

As for the Mongols who invaded Syria during the times of Ibn Taymiyah: It was Ghazan, who was a Muslim also. He was not a Shia. So it was Mongol A vs Mongol B on the land of Syria.

Ibn Taymiyah was working for the Mongols the occupiers of Syria.

As for the Alawis and the Mongols: mr. visitor repeats the lie we heard thousands of times that the Alawis helped the Mongols. This is the weakest argument ever because first it did not happen, second: it is obvious that the loser party wanted to blame someone, especially when this loser party has historians and religious figure to cover their tracks and show them as the heroes of the “ummah.”

Mr. visitor: Ahmad ibn Hanbal has nothing to do with Syria. He is Salafi number One. He worked in Baghdad. Syria was not in his menue. You were caught with your outrageous claim that Salafism is Syrian. I showed you with ease how you really has no clue about what you are talking about as usual

Funny how when you lose an argument you turn to personal insults. Still, your personal insults are weak as your historical knowledge.

You through that you scored one when you said that I am from Asfahan. I laughed at your poor level mr. Visitor. Are you better than any person from Asfahan? Do you know how great Asfahan is?

Some called Asfahan : “half of the world,” it has one of the most important engineering feats of the middle ages….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGxR4BD4Ac

PS: hey Visitor, my dog for real knows about that period more than you any given day. He told me to tell you to go and read about the foreigners who were ruling Damascus.

September 15th, 2012, 12:32 am

 

mjabali said:

Ann:

Of course Syria was around before all of these people.

September 15th, 2012, 12:34 am

 

ann said:

OTTOMAN THIEVES!

Turkey to start oil exploration alone in eastern Med – 15 September 2012

http://en.trend.az/regions/met/turkey/2065714.html

International oil companies had shown interest in partnering with Turkey’s state-run oil firm TPAO to explore the İskenderun-Mersin region, tucked in a corner of the eastern Mediterranean near the island of Cyprus and the Syrian shore.

But with the 18-month-old Syrian crisis and Turkey’s decades-old dispute over Cyprus showing little sign of abating, none of the 11 firms which showed initial interest ended up applying for a licence, Turkish energy officials said.

“Companies are concerned about stability in the region. Because of this they did not enter into the process that TPAO started. However, when the region calms down, the same interest will be shown again,” one of the officials told Reuters.

“TPAO will start exploration in 2013. TPAO plans two separate drills in the (İskenderun) Gulf,” he said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Turkey is locked in a row with the internationally-recognised Greek Cyprus over who has the right to tap hydrocarbon deposits in the eastern Mediterranean.

Surveys suggest more than 100 trillion cubic feet (tcf) of reserves could lie untapped throughout the region, a potential that has sparked investor interest but also revived decades-old boundary disputes.

Over the past three years, there have been significant discoveries made in the eastern Mediterranean basin. Greek Cyprus reported a natural gas discovery in December and neighbouring Israel has reported two major finds offshore in the sea separating both countries.

But Turkey has challenged Greek Cypriot attempts to discover offshore reserves, while Lebanon is in dispute with Israel over the Jewish state’s so called discoveries.

[…]

http://en.trend.az/regions/met/turkey/2065714.html

September 15th, 2012, 1:01 am

 

ann said:

France’s Araud Likes Freedom to Denigrate Religion, Diplomats Quote Him

By Matthew Russell Lee

UNITED NATIONS, September 14 — In the UN Security Council, statement are adopted by consensus, but some of what is said long rankles other diplomats. So it is with French Permanent Representative Gerard Araud.

During a closed-door discussion this week of a draft press statement on the killing of US diplomats in Benghazi against a backdrop of protests of an anti-Islam film, Araud said, as paraphrased to Inner City Press by four Council diplomats, that he likes and takes pride in the freedom to denigrate religion.

One Security Council member told Inner City Press this was “outrageous” and “incitement.”

Another told Inner City Press, but then France should at least be consistent in being for free speech, because there are some kinds of speech they do not allow.

A third questioned how much this reflects the position of France under Francois Hollande, as opposed to Nicolas Sarkozy, and how much it is “Araud, pure Araud.”

We note that France has positioned itself with the opposition in Libya, particularly in Benghazi then air dropping weapons into the Nafusa mountains, and now in Syria, where even the founder of MSF from Paris has said half of the fighters he treated in Aleppo were, to put it diplomatically, armed opponents of such films.

Is French policy in this regard schizophrenic? Or is it simply cynical?

[…]

http://www.innercitypress.com/france1denigrate091412.html

September 15th, 2012, 1:09 am

 

ann said:

On Embassy Attacks, Wittig Won’t Answer on Denigration of Religion, Araud

By Matthew Russell Lee

UNITED NATIONS, September 14 — After two days of protests of an anti-Islamic YouTube video at embassies not only of the US but also the UK and, notably, Germany in Sudan, this month’s UN Security Council president Peter Wittig of Germany came to the Council stakeout at 8:30 pm on Friday to read a Council statement. Video here.

When Wittig finished reading, Inner City Press asked him about what several other Council members had told it earlier in the afternoon: that the September 12 statement on the killing of US diplomats in Libya had initially included a condemnation of the denigration of the religion — that is, of the murky film — but that France’s Ambassador Gerard Araud blocked it, saying he was proud to have the freedom to denigrate religion.

Wittig answered, you certain don’t expect me to speak about internal and confidential deliberations of the Council.” Then, brushing off Inner City Press’ follow up, he said that Germany’s position is reflected in the Council statement. Video here.

But what several other Security Council members raised to Inner City Press is that France and other European countries — including Germany — now cite freedom of speech as a basis for not condemning the YouTube video, but have laws against other forms of speech.

It gets divisive, and could be distinguished, but the comparison is inevitable. Dodging it may not be the best approach.

[…]

http://www.innercitypress.com/germany1embassies091412.html

September 15th, 2012, 1:20 am

 

ann said:

Security authorities following files of Kuwaitis said fighting in Syria – 15/09/2012

“Free Syrian Army” reported using cars with Kuwait number plate

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/187893/reftab/36/t/Security-authorities-following-files-of-Kuwaitis-said-fighting-in-Syria/Default.aspx

KUWAIT CITY, Sept 14: The concerned security authorities are following the files of Kuwaitis who are suspected of participating in the destruction of Syria fighting alongside the “Free Syrian Army”, reports Al-Seyassah daily quoting reliable sources.

This came following reports that many Kuwaitis are fighting the government forces in Syria alongside the opposition [terrorists] forces.

The daily added the security sources have been gathering information from more than one source to ensure validity of the news reports and to identify citizens who are involved.

The authorities are also trying to establish how these people left the country and how they crossed over into Syria.

The daily added the security sources have collected some information. The authorities are also looking into a incident which shows a car with Kuwaiti number plate used by the “Syrian Free Army” to transport militias [terrorists].

The security sources have said the pictures also show many volunteers entering Syria to distribute “aid”. This is in addition to the participation of two Kuwaiti MPs Waleed Al-Tabtabaei and Jamaan Al-Harbash in a demonstration in Syria after illegally entering the country.

The sources say Kuwait fears Syria will use this behavior as an excuse and accuse it of militarily supporting the revolutionaries and the so called “Free Syrian Army” contrary to what the authorities say the support should be given through official channels to the Syrian people in compliance with international laws and human rights organizations.

[…]

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/187893/reftab/36/t/Security-authorities-following-files-of-Kuwaitis-said-fighting-in-Syria/Default.aspx

September 15th, 2012, 1:47 am

 

ann said:

Turkey’s Syrian Misadventure – 09/15/2012

Turkey’s intervention in Syria has been an act of unprecedented folly. Not since the republic was established in 1923 – not even when the military was in charge – has a Turkish government sought ‘regime change’ in another country. In sponsoring armed groups seeking to destroy the Syrian government, the collective calling itself ‘The Friends of the Syrian People’ appears to be committing serious violations of international law. While the focus has to remain on the prime victims of their intervention, the Syrian people, it is also the case that more than a year later the policy has not worked for Turkey and is blowing up in the face of its architects, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.

International Law

Article 2 (1) of the UN Charter (1945) states that the organization is based on the ‘sovereign equality of all its Members’. Article 2 (3) states that all members ‘shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered’. Article 2 (4) required all members to refrain in their international relations ‘from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state or in any manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations’. Article 2 (7) states that ‘nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisprudence of any state’. Chapter 7 of the charter grants the Security Council the right to take action but only in cases of a threat to peace, a breach of the peace or an act of aggression. ‘Peace’ here is clearly intended to mean international peace and not the disruption of domestic peace by domestic disorder.

In 1965 the sovereign rights of the state were further affirmed in General Assembly Resolution 2131 (XX), entitled Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States and the Protection of Their Independence and the Protection of Their Independence and Sovereignty, passed on December 21 by a vote of 109-0. Three of the core principles are adumbrated below:

1. No State has the right to intervene directly or indirectly for any reason whatever in the internal and external affairs of any State. Consequently armed intervention and all other forms of interference or attempted threats against the personality of the State or against its political, economic and cultural elements are condemned.

2. No State may use or encourage the use of economic, political or any other type of measures to coerce another State in order to obtain from it the subordination of the exercise of its sovereign rights or to secure from its advantages of any kind. Also no State shall organize, assist, foment, finance, incite or tolerate subversive, terrorist or armed activities directed towards the violent overthrow of the regime of another State or interfere in civil strife in another State.

The fact that powerful states bully the weak and frequently violate their sovereign rights is no excuse for Turkey to do the same. The question of whether the Justice and Development Party government is violating Turkey’s own laws is another issue, already raised in the Turkish media and by opposition politicians.

Disarray

None of this would matter so much if Turkey’s policy had worked out. Bashar would have gone in a few months and the Turkish Prime Minister and his Foreign Minister would be hailed for their foresight and courage but now it is they who are on the hot plate. Bashar is still in power and the army – the foot soldiers mostly Sunni Muslims – has not broken up on sectarian lines. The armed protégés of the outside governments are steadily being contained and driven out of the towns and the cities they have infiltrated. Fighting continues but external support for the armed groups seems to be waning. The US was already losing its appetite for direct intervention under the aegis of NATO and in the wake of the murder of the US ambassador to Tripoli by the very people whom the US used as auxiliaries to destroy the Libyan Jamahiriya and its founder, it can be ruled out altogether and not only because of fear of the Russian and Chinese reaction. Finally the US is taking a clear look at the people likely to inherit in Syria if Assad goes and it does not like what it sees.

The recent statement of a ‘rebel commander’ in Aleppo that 70 per cent of the population remains loyal to the government probably means that 90 to 95 per cent support the government and not just in Aleppo, where local Christians have been forming armed groups to defend themselves. It is only another strand of western involvement in Syria that politicians who wear their Christianity on their sleeve in Washington and London have completely ignored the evidence of the killing and intimidation of Syrian Christians. Only the Vatican has spoken out. Only recently have the sponsors of the armed groups – with the notable exceptions of Saudi Arabia and Qatar – begun looking askance at the savagery of the crimes they are committing, including the massacre of civilians and soldiers, rape, kidnapping and the murder of anyone identified as a ‘regime loyalist’, including police, postal workers, university professors and journalists. In Aleppo they stood their captives against a wall and riddled them with machine gun fire. Later they ‘executed’ 20 bound and gagged Syrian soldiers. In Al Bab – near Aleppo – they murdered postal workers before pitching their bodies from the roof of their building on to the steps below. In Homs the FSA’s Faruq Brigade maintained a special squad whose job it was to cut the throats of the group’s captives. Others have their heads cut off. All of this is justified by the crimes committed or alleged to have been committed by the ‘regime’. Any lines of demarcation between these groups have all but disappeared. There is tacit cooperation between all of them. There is no reason why any sane Syrian would want these people in their midst, especially as many are not even their countrymen but salafis/jihadis/takfiris – Pakistanis, Iraqis, Turks, Saudis, Chechens and Libyans – paid by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Their role in the armed opposition has become increasingly dominant.

US Target

Syria has been in the gun sights of the US administration for decades. The country’s modern history bulges with attempts to disable it through assassination, attempts to overthrow the government, armed attack and occupation and most recently sanctions: no wonder Syria has become a byword for the mukharabat state. In the past two decades the calibration of the anti-Syrian policy has been in the hands of the neoconservatives. The Middle East was their prime target and Israel their prime beneficiary. The national security strategy announced by the George W. Bush administration was effectively a neoconservative writ for attacking other states if and when the US wanted, with Muslim countries top of the list. The rule book – beginning with the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia – was tossed out the window. After the invasion of Afghanistan the governments of seven states were set up for destruction: Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Iran, not necessarily in that order. Out of the ruins a new Middle East was to be born.

The strategy has been extended to include a wide range of activities befitting a ‘hyper’ state powerful enough to operate outside the law, including ‘extra judicial’ executions and drone attacks that have killed countless numbers of civilians as well as a handful of Islamic militants in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia and Yemen. Osama bin Laden could have been arrested and put on trial but was shot dead in front of his wives and children. This was not an ‘extra judicial’ execution because there is no such thing. For an execution to be legal it must have been preceded by prosecution, trial and conviction but now prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner have all been rolled into one. Osama might have been responsible for murders but he also was murdered. The use of ‘extra judicial’ execution is no more than media apologetics for crime.

Heads of state are no more exempted from the law of the gun than anyone else but there was a time when they were removed covertly. Now it is done right out in the open. The Reagan administration’s failed attempt to murder Muammar al Qadhafi in the 1980s was finally followed by success last year. The oracular statement of Hillary Clinton in Tripoli a few days before his murder that ‘we’ are looking forward to the Libyan leader’s capture or killing was thus fulfilled. It will be remembered that she celebrated the occasion with a joke. The assassination of the US ambassador to Libya was a different matter altogether: she said it left her heartbroken – a technical impossibility, some would say, reminiscent of the old jazz line – ‘something beats in his chest/but it’s just a pump at best’. Certainly she has never been known to utter a word of regret, remorse or apology for the women and children who have been killed by US drone attacks in various countries. Her heart seems quite intact as far as they are concerned.

Clinton’s purpose-driven morality blows around like a weathervane in a high wind but she is no more than the symptom of an ugly moment in history which has produced Guantanamo, extraordinary rendition and torture, the massacre of civilians on the ground and from the air in Baghdad, the urinating on the bodies of their victims by US soldiers in Afghanistan, and even the trophy mutilation of their bodies. One cannot be separated from the other. Reinforcing the systemic place of these crimes, very rarely has anyone even been rapped on the wrist for them.

Overshadowing them all, of course, is the genocidal assault on Iraq, beginning in 1991, and continuing through more than a decade of sanctions and the second war of 2003, but not even for these most terrible crimes has anyone who committed them or was ultimately responsible for them been punished. Clinton and Obama arrived late but added Libya to the pile of corpses and in any case have adhered to the policies set by their neoconservative predecessors.

In this new overtly lawless world, Bashar al Assad is a prime target for assassination. Very possibly he was expected to be at the meeting targeted for bombing by the so-called Free Syrian Army in Damascus a few weeks ago. Usually governments feel obliged to abhor terrorism, especially when directed against the members of other governments, but this time the spokesman for the US State Department more or less said that the victims – the Defence Minister and two other senior figures in Assad’s inner circle – had it coming. Responsibility for this attack was claimed by Riad al Assad, the commander of the FSA who remarked: ‘God willing this will be the end of the regime. Hopefully Bashar will be next’. Mr Assad lives in southeastern Turkey under the protection of the Turkish state. The question is rhetorical but still has to be asked: has Turkey really reached the stage where its government gives sanctuary to a man who openly admits to organizing terrorist outrages in the capital city of another country and is looking forward to the murder of its head of state? The FSA leader’s fervent hope was later echoed in the assertion by French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius’ remark that Bashar does not deserve to be on this earth. In the world we used to have this would have been called incitement to murder.

[…]

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=19573

September 15th, 2012, 1:58 am

 

Juergen said:

A friend who just arrived to Cairo called me last night and he thinks that arabs received a worldwide appreciation and a better reputation because of the arab spring. All the worst and ugly was blamed on the dictators and despotes, now may be its time to portray again the ugly arab momentum once more.

September 15th, 2012, 2:00 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

313 VAT

“Did you consult with your dog before coming up with your answer?”

No, I consulted with your dog. She told me you have a bad odor. She wants you to take a bath at least once every two days.

September 15th, 2012, 2:18 am

 

Mina said:

Damascusrose,
Thanks for the poem. Please post more poems!

September 15th, 2012, 5:37 am

 

Observer said:

Majbali

My 5% is of the hard core fanatics that practice violence and have demonized the other.

I do not know how much the Salafists would get in an election. I have not followed the exact numbers of what the Islamist parties got in the recent elections except to say that they did not turn out to be as wide as some predicted.

I do think that bringing the Islamist parties into the political process will force them in this day and age to deliver and if they do not deliver then they can be removed.

I know that 5% of the minorities think exactly like you do that the last 1000 years of Islam is worse by far than the last 50 years of dictatorship in Syria and worse than the secular Baath party rule in Iraq and worse than the Stalinist rule or the Maoist rule and worse than the Khmer rouge and worse than Rwanda.

In my opinion and I hope I am wrong I see a mirror image of thoughts and ideas to the Salafists in your description of the other.

I regret to see people trapped in dogmas and caged in ideologies that dehumanize the other.

FYI I am not a believer and I have found great ideas from Stoicism to Taoism and going through Ali and Maoulawi sufism. I also am a great admirer of ” Libre Exaministes ” who clearly lived and showed that you do not need a religion to live an exemplary moral life.

September 15th, 2012, 8:14 am

 

Tara said:

SNC and it’s psthetic state of affair

Syria cannot move on until the SNC is reformed
The west is abandoning the council, when it should be aiding its reform and helping create a genuine successor to Assad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/15/syria-snc-council-west-assad
….
The persistence of rifts within the opposition and the rise of extremism are driving more people towards the Assad camp. Also, the failure of the council has a direct impact on the unity and operations of the anti-regime fighters. The selective distribution of ammunition, according to Jamo, is a major cause of rifts among brigades of the FSA. Ziour al Omar said the council’s top leadership distributes the money they receive among themselves and then spend it for the uprising as they see fit. “Each member then distributes it to his own supporters,” he said.

The west must tie support and funding for the council to reform and inclusiveness. Some groups and figures within the council have already established channels of financial support in the region, which means the west must work with its regional allies.

The unconditional flow of funding, along with other factors, impede progress. Influential members feel they do not need to bow to pressure and cede monopoly over the council. According to an SNC member, Syrian Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohammed Riad al-Shiqfa has said: “The west has no choice but to deal with us [the council].”

There is a pervasive attitude among SNC members that the issue of unity has been put forward by the international community to justify inaction. SNC member Ghassan Mufleh called the issue of unity a “concoction” and said that “a person with conscious” should not speak about reassuring the minorities when the majority is being persecuted. Such a statement is an example of why many Syrians are averse to the council.
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September 15th, 2012, 8:18 am

 

Mina said:

Looks like the Guardian has lost its readers on that too…
Here are a few comments to the article posted above:

ElvisInWales

15 September 2012 9:16AM

Why make an unpopular revolutionary council reform to suit who’s standards? The syrian peoples or reform it into something more palatable to us people here in the west who despite what our leaders are doing, we know what they are up to.

First off this is not a popular uprising by any measure, most Syrians do not back the violent mercenaries, jihaddiist etc.. If you are going to start a revolution then it has to have popular support WITHIN that country NOT outside it.

Personally I want my government to not give any more of MY and other uk taxpayers money to help fund fighting in a place that has nothing to do with me or my government and something that is not even supported by the syrian people themselves.. in short STOP meddling and let the syrian army take care of its own internal problems, like any other country would do if faced with the same crap Syria has had to endure.

PeterBrit

15 September 2012 9:32AM

I suspect that after the events of the last few days, the western public will want nothing more to do with guys with beards and kalashnikovs fanatically screaming Allahu Akbar, and I suspect western politicians will be wary for some time.

If the rebels want wastern aid they may need to start adopting some western values: real equality for women, real religious tolerance and acceptance that Islam is no more important than other religions, real separation of politics and religion.

JGrossman

15 September 2012 9:39AM

The west is abandoning the council, when it should be aiding its reform and helping create a genuine successor to Assad

The “West”, whatever that means these days, should do nothing.

It’s none of our business.

Any “Western” intervention will only make a bad situation worse.

Jake G

September 15th, 2012, 8:38 am

 
 

Humanist said:

Mjabali: “In countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Pakistan, Afghanistan: Salafis would take in 80 percent and up.”

NO. I don’t know about the arab countries you mentioned. But to say Pakistan and Afghanistan are 80 % salafist is completely wrong. Both these countries have long sufi traditions. Rumi was born in afghanistan and most afghans still love and respect him.

Even the taliban don’t have salafi origins. The deobandi tradition originated in Indi.

However, the majority of sufis are strict, conservative sunni muslims too. Talking about the “tolerant”, “peaceful” sufis is not always correct. For example most Chechens belonged/belong to sufi orders and they always fighted hard against the Russians. Salahdin was a sufi and known as a great islamic (sunni) fighter. Ottomans were sufi sunnis and they conquered big parts of the world…

You talk from an arab perspective. I would say the great majority of sunni muslims, living in South and Central Asia, are still sufi or sufi inspired. Outside the Arab world, salafists are just a few (but violent)extremists.

September 15th, 2012, 8:48 am

 

zoo said:

331. Tara

The SNC has found a new way out: They are posing as the ‘victims’ of a far fetched plot by the West who needs to justify its inaction.
It’s the usual cliche when the supposed ‘victim’ does nothing creative and just blame everyone else.

It was reported that Lakhbar Ibrahimi told Hollande that the “friends of Syria” should be dissolved and that the SNC should be reformed.
Hollande was furious and will probably boycott any effort that Ibrahimi will do.
This war is a war of inflated egos, nothing else. It is well reflected on SC by some commenters.

September 15th, 2012, 9:50 am

 

zoo said:

#321 SF

The present difference is that the Moslem Brotherhood hide well their plans and are patient and cautious, while the Salafis are extrovert and careless.

Two faces of the same coin.

September 15th, 2012, 10:10 am

 

zoo said:

Turkey, Israel share common interest in Syria: Netanyahu

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-israel-share-common-interest-in-syria-netanyahu.aspx?pageID=238&nID=30193&NewsCatID=359

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has sent a conciliatory signal to Turkey, saying the two countries have a common interest in Syria.

September 15th, 2012, 10:18 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo

I can’t share your assessment of MB any more. Morsi seems to be doing a reasonable Job in Egypt so far. What exactly your issues with him?

September 15th, 2012, 10:31 am

 

ss said:

قال رئيس مجلس الوزراء وائل الحلقي إن وضع الليرة السوريةمستقر، مشيرا إلى أن الاقتصاد يستطيع أن يبقى مكتفيا مهما طال أمد الأزمة وأن متطلبات المواطنين متوافرة بشكل كامل بما فيها احتياطيات العملة والحاجات الأساسية وأهمها المحروقات.

Previous articles in SC predicted a rapid fall of the Syrian economy. Can Ehsani explain to us how the Syrian goverment is still able to pay monthly checks for its employee without any delay.

September 15th, 2012, 10:31 am

 

Visitor said:

Dr. Landis, please remove my comment from the filter.
Thanks

September 15th, 2012, 10:37 am

 

zoo said:

Tara #341

That’s the current trend but of course it may change.

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/post-mubarak-egypt-the-ikhwanization-trend/article19948.html

“It is still too early to draw any conclusive assumptions about Egypt’s post-Mubarak era, but the characteristics for a new one-party dominant system are beginning to emerge. President Mohamed Morsi of the MB has, within few weeks of assuming power, restricted press freedoms, appointed MB members as provincial governors, replaced the head of state-owned Arab Contractors with a member of the MB, and infused the National Council for Human Rights and Supreme Press Council with Islamists. The MB also controls the executive and legislative branches of government, and enjoys some influence over the judiciary after the appointment of Mahmoud Mekki as Vice-President, the brother of the Minister of Justice. Needless to say, the MB also dominates the Constituent Assembly. The Egyptian uprising sought to end the phenomena of one political party dominating state affairs. However, Egypt’s “ikhwanization” trend seems to be replacing Mubarak’s dissolved National Democratic Party.

The rise of the MB has come at the expense of the pro-democracy activists.

Today, Egypt’s struggle for democracy is synonymous with the ability to counter the “ikhwanization” trend to avoid an authoritarian relapse and to guarantee two fundamental things: a Constitution with proper checks and balances on all branches of government, and upcoming free and fair democratic elections.

September 15th, 2012, 10:40 am

 

Uzair8 said:

I was going to respond to a comment by Mjabali and I see Humanist has already touched on it (#334).

I’m sure I’ve already posted the following statistics on SC before.

South Asia (normally understood to mean at least India, Pakistan and Bangladesh), consists of around 400-500 million muslims.

According to the globalsecurity.org site:

“…nearly 85% of South Asia’s Sunni Muslims are said to follow the Barelvi school, closer to Sufism. The remaining 15% of Sunnis follow the Deobandi school,…”

Regarding Pakistan :

“By one estimate, in Pakistan, the Shias are 18%, ismailis 2%, Ahmediyas 2%, Barelvis 50%, Deobandis 20%, Ahle Hadith 4%, and other minorities 4%.”

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/intro/islam-barelvi.htm

Some estimate the ‘Barelvi’ figure to be upto 70%.

The term ‘Barelvi’ is used derogatarily by Wahaabis/Salafis to describe those who generally follow the teachings of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan (ra) of Bareilly, India. Also known as Alahazrat. He was a scholar, from over a 100 years ago who almost single handedly confronted the attempts of the Wahaabi doctrine to establish their beliefs in the region. A scholar of traditional Islam.

Shaykh Yaqoubi once mentioned how he was honoured to see Ahmad Raza Khan in a dream reciting from his famous book.

Here is what Shaykh Yaqoubi said on a UK tv channel about Imam Ahmad Raza Khan (including the account of the dream):

Shaykh Y’aqoubi Advocates Imam Ahmed Raza as Mujaddid

September 15th, 2012, 10:48 am

 

zoo said:

Is the “Jewish” vote loosing its value?

Obama rejects meeting with Netanyahu but invites Muslim Brotherhood

Middle East Violence
September 13, 2012
By: Anthony Martin
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-rejects-meeting-with-netanyahu-but-invites-muslim-brotherhood
….
Critics have been swift to condemn the president over the rejection, particularly in light of the most recent intelligence reports indicating that Iran now has a cache of nuclear missiles that can hit any Israeli city.

However, news has leaked today that Obama initiated an invitation to Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, to meet with him in New York next week.

For decades the Muslim Brotherhood was banned from Egypt following the assassination of former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. The Brotherhood was implicated in the assassination, and the Egyptians were convinced at the time that the organization was actively engaged in terrorism.

September 15th, 2012, 10:52 am

 

Uzair8 said:

The pro-regime are having a field day in trying to squeeze any propaganda value (beneficial to the Assad regime) out of the ongoing protests around the muslim world.

Ann in particular is in raptures.

If we wanted we could play at their own game for a second and put a spin on the events:

Maybe the upset and angry folk should instead channel their rage and direct it towards local Islamophobes (Assad regime or similar regimes) and overthrow them?

September 15th, 2012, 11:01 am

 

zoo said:

Does Huma Abedin, Top Aide to Hillary Clinton have Islamists ties, or it is just a Republican smear over Obama’s flirt with Islamists?

Wed, July 25, 2012
Ryan Mauro
http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/huma-abedin-associate-editor-islamist-journal

The case of Huma Abedein, Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Clinton, has gotten almost all of the attention but their question about her is legitimate: Was her family’s close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood taken into account when granting her a security clearance?

The potential security concerns mentioned in the State Department’s published guidelines include:

“contact with a foreign family member… if that contact creates a heightened risk of foreign exploitation, inducement, manipulation, pressure or coercion.”


Her mother, Dr. Saleha Abedin, is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, the Brotherhood’s female counterpart. She serves in the Bureau with the wife of Mohammed Morsi, Egypt’s new Brotherhood president.
(She is Pakistani and teaches in Saudi Arabia)

She is also a member of the Muslim World League, which terrorism expert Andrew McCarthy describes as “the Muslim Brotherhood’s principal vehicle for the international propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology.” The organization she leads, the International Islamic Committee for Woman and Child, is part of the Muslim World League.

Her organization is not a moderate group that mistakenly got involved with the Muslim World League. Its charter is written by Brotherhood leaders including Sheikh Yousef al-Qaradawi, an open supporter of Hamas.
….
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1919649/posts

September 15th, 2012, 11:13 am

 

zoo said:

Turkey Is No Partner for Peace

Halil Karaveli, Foreign Affairs
September 11, 2012

http://www.realclearworld.com/2012/09/11/turkey_is_no_partner_for_peace_140045.html

The AKP has antagonized not only Syria’s Alawites but also its Kurds. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has insisted that his country would resist any Kurdish push for autonomy in parts of northeastern Syria, going so far as to threaten military intervention. The Turkish government’s unreserved support for the Sunni opposition is due not only to an ideological affinity with it but also to the fact that the Sunni rebels oppose the aspirations of the Syrian Kurds.

Full article:
http://ksekarfwtoi.blogspot.ca/2012/09/turkey-is-no-partner-for-peace.html

September 15th, 2012, 11:26 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

331 Tara

“SNC and it’s psthetic state of affair.”

Corrected – SNC and its pathetic state of affairs.

Sorry to be Mister Grammar, but there were too many errors to ignore.

September 15th, 2012, 11:26 am

 

Tara said:

d–a-le

It was a typo not a spelling mistake. The S is situated near the a on the keyboard. I saw it afterwards but did not bother changing it. Feel free to correct genuine spelling mistake but not ones where one letter is substititef by an adjacent one.

Btw, very funny comment the other day. Glad you are back but please no insults.

September 15th, 2012, 11:36 am

 

Tara said:

And Silentio, please while you are at it, can you call Apple and tell them not to have “its” automatically changed to it’s in their next generation of iPads or cell phones. It is time consuming to manually correct it each time.

September 15th, 2012, 11:40 am

 

jna said:

Reporter Maya Naser

“Al Midan neighborhood of #Aleppo local residents started to get back to their houses and shops for needed food materials are opened.”

“Syrian army announced compilation (completion) of the operation in almost 80% of the neighborhood reaching to Al Akbar roundup while foreign backed armed groups announcing tactical withdrawal from the area”
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=301348279973062&id=295997937174763

September 15th, 2012, 11:55 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo

In regard to Morsi, I just do not see the oppression, torture, corruption, and lack of freedom Egypt suffered under Mounarak and yes it is too early to tell. If he does not hold onto the chair next election, then I ‘d consider him a national hero.

September 15th, 2012, 12:04 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Vistor,

“I will not do as some would try to do in order to prove their so-called liberalism by declaring their willingness to consume alcohol or eat pork. This is the most shallow argument for such purpose.”

Ya faheem ya fahman, one can eat pork and drink and be conservative, just as one can choose not to eat pork and drink and be liberal….

You see unlike you I do not see the world as Muslim and Kafer (what a really boring outlook on life and people in general) and recognize that conservatives come in different colours and faiths.

And the most shallow argument one can ever make (which you are consistently guilty of) is to use your own dogma to argue a point, it is akin to Zionists arguing that Israel is legit because the Torah promised it to them, do you really think the Palestinians buy that argument?

September 15th, 2012, 12:46 pm

 

Antoine said:

262. MJABALI said:

“Only 5 %. I think they are way more than 5%. You should time that by 10 probably.”

________________________________________________________________

Only if you are from places like Qardaha, Bhamra, Jableh, Qadmous ( or rather Qqqadmous). will you think the way Mjabali does.

Btw Mjbali what about the fact that most Alawis are descended from Kurds and Turks (Turkmen) ? Even today there are Sunni Turkmen and Kurds living in the Coastal Mountains. I think Alawis are just the Kurds and Turks who left the Sunni religion and converted to Alawism. What about the fact that the Assad (Wahash) family can trace their origin to Northern Iraq ?

September 15th, 2012, 1:01 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Tara,

RE: Morsi and the MB in general across MENA

I for one am glad to see the MB become less radicalized and more politicized. When religious groups enter into a democratic system and want to win in the political arena they will need a general broad based appeal, and more importantly maintain that appeal till the next election. In doing so these hardliners will either appear to soften their views or actually do it in order to win in the election.

Also something the doom and gloom crowd fail to see or mention that yes maybe in the short term things are going to be tough, mistrust and suspicion will be strife but eventually society and people will move on to the better, and in a Democratic state the chances of that happening successfully are much better than in an autocratic dictatorship.

Morsi won by mere percentage points against an ex-Mubarak “secular” stooge, had there been a real choice that was not bogged down by their connections to the old guard for the seculars and the minorities to vote for, Egypt as in Libya might have had a secular president now…

Having said this and before anyone thinks that I am a supporter of the MB, I would never vote for them, not even by default. I just would rather see religious groups out in the mainstream and in the political arena for all to see and scrutinize (just like any other political group) rather than hidden in some basement conspiring.

September 15th, 2012, 1:11 pm

 

Antoine said:

I have posted this before but the regime thugs still don’t have the answer….

On 4th September a high-ranking regime officer in Aleppo claimed that the regime Army will be able to capture Saif al-Dawla by the next 2 days and the whole of Aleppo within 10 days, it is 15th September today and even Saif al-Dawla is mostly still the frontline. Even Saif al Dawla has not been captured by the regime.

What do the regime supporters have to say about this ?

ALDENDESHE, do you think this Army is capable of taking back the Golan, forget about Jerusalem, when it can’t even take Aleppo ?

Aldendeshe, since you are a strategist, why do you think this Army which SNP hopes will one day take back Golan and Iskanderun, is not able to defeat a bunch of lightly-armed thugs ?

Do you think the Islamist terrorists have defeated the Syrian Army ?

September 15th, 2012, 1:12 pm

 

Antoine said:

S.O.D, people are dying daily across Syria and you still have the time and audacity to engage in chit-chat and small talk with the likes of ZOO, MINA and other menhebacks ?

TARA why do you keep on engaging ZOO in small talk ? Don;t you know he is a Menhieback and most FSA soldiers will gladly shoot him and his likes ?

September 15th, 2012, 1:17 pm

 

Antoine said:

SOD I think President Morsy should rule Egypt for the next 20 to 25 years as a virtual dictator like Putin or Ahmadinejad, that will help bring some much-needed balance in the region.

It will also help undo all the negative things that have happened to Egypt since the French invasion under Napoleon and after Mohammed Ali overthrew the Mamlouks. Egypt’s history since the downfall of the Mamlouks has been one of total darkness, especially after the dark dark day of July 23, 1952. ( You know what I mean)

September 15th, 2012, 1:23 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Antoine HAT,

As opposed to engaging Dendeshe? Or writing under different names pretending to be other people? Don’t you find it odd you asked me and Tara the same question when the comment before that you are addressing the very same people you are deriding us in engaging? Is that not the definition of hypocrisy or what?

And you are right people are dying, and when this regime falls Syrians will need to face each other and talk or else Syrians are doomed to death and destruction for generations. I know you would like nothing better than to see that, I don’t!

“I think President Morsy should rule Egypt for the next 20 to 25 years as a virtual dictator”

So you want to replace one dictator with another for the sake balance and stability, yeah that makes sense…

Keep on trolling HAT!

September 15th, 2012, 1:31 pm

 

Tara said:

Ya Dear Antoine,

The simple answer is because I like him. Any issue with that?

Would FSA in your opinion want to shoot me too?

For the record though, I don’t agree with your
assessment of the FSA’s target. You are misrepresenting them.

September 15th, 2012, 1:33 pm

 

Antoine said:

What more dishonour and humiliation can there be for the Syrian Arab Army ( Syrian Army for SNP) and its soldiers and officers, when they cannot defeat a lightly armed poorly trained guerilla force of Islamist thugs for the last 18 months, forget about defeating another country’s military.

September 15th, 2012, 1:39 pm

 

Antoine said:

TARA, you like a Menhiback, you cannot be a friend of the revolution.

True revolutionaries are prepared to fight their parents and borthers and cousisns if they support the regime.

September 15th, 2012, 1:41 pm

 

sf94123 said:

TO 356:

People killed and murdered all over the world because of your kind. Just to name few, U.S.A, France, England, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Sudan, Iraq, Libya and Yemen. Syria is no different.

Why are you hiding behind a Christian’s name like“ANTOINE”? Are you ABOUD or Khalid Tlass? Which one? Tell us and don’t be shy! We all know who you are? Sick, brained -washed individual, a product of hate, misery and revenge.

September 15th, 2012, 1:43 pm

 

Tara said:

Antoine

Sorry Antoine, I do not need a validation as to who to like or dislike or whether I can or can’t support the revolution.

Why are you trying to taint the revolution in this way. It is counter productive. I may have accused
you or Tlass in the past of being an agent of the regime. I do not think that anymore but don’t you think that most of the revolution supporters do not think your way?

September 15th, 2012, 1:51 pm

 

Citizen said:

According to the cast and crew of “The Innocence of Muslims,” the man previously thought to have directed it – Nakoula Basseley Nakoula – was just the producer. The moviemaker, it turns out, is known for his work in soft-core porn.
http://rt.com/news/film-director-made-porn-225/

September 15th, 2012, 1:53 pm

 
 

Uzair8 said:

Socialist Worker article.

Thousands killed as Syrian regime seeks control of the capital

Tue 11 Sep 2012

by Simon Assaf

The regime of Bashar al-Assad is locked in a full-scale armed uprising across Syria.

Regime troops are blasting towns and cities with artillery, tanks and warplanes in a desperate move to regain areas that fell to rebels in their summer offensive.

Assad is pursuing a strategy of massacres, notably in Damascus. Thousands of people have been killed in regime sweeps of the capital’s working class neighbourhoods. These massacres, which are seen as punishment, are an attempt to undermine support for the revolution.

Read more:

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=29532

September 15th, 2012, 2:17 pm

 

Citizen said:

Pentagon prepares to drop the hammer on anti-US Muslim riots?
http://rt.com/news/panetta-troops-deployment-riots-192/

September 15th, 2012, 2:17 pm

 

Citizen said:

Russia warns US on consequences of regime change
http://rt.com/politics/russia-us-libya-ambassador-stevens-046/

September 15th, 2012, 2:20 pm

 

Mina said:

338 Tara
Could you give a single example of Morsi’s job in Egypt?? Do you read Egyptian newspapers to get an idea? What about his speech in Brussels and the one in Rome? What about his governement: less women and less Copts, and his renouncement to his campaign promess of having a woman vice-president and a Copt vice-president?

No drinkable water, power cuts,most of the gas going to al Arish to be sold 5 times its price, epidemics on the rise, civil servants on strike 50 percent of the time, poverty on the rise.

In addition he left the minbar to the Salafis (just watch any khutba on the national television a Friday) because he knows he has been voted in the 1st tour by only 25 percent of the voters (who themselves were half the people who had a voting possibility).

Just a few examples:
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/fuel-crisis-sweeps-governorates-first-day-school
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/neighbors-war-month-after-christian-families-fled-dahshur-tensions-remain
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/egyptair-flight-attendants-ask-be-allowed-grow-beards

September 15th, 2012, 2:20 pm

 
 

Citizen said:

“Indeed, I asked myself, how could this happen, how could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction.” – Hilary Clinton, US Secretary of State
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-diplomacy-and-americas-enablers-of-terror/

September 15th, 2012, 2:30 pm

 

Visitor said:

SOD 354 said,

“Ya faheem ya fahman, one can eat pork and drink and be conservative, just as one can choose not to eat pork and drink and be liberal…”

You may have had some respect previously based on good will. Now you lost it.
Y bala fihm at all!!!

What do you mean by conservative?

Do you consider yourself Muslim?

If so, how do you eat pork and drink alcohol and not be in violation of Islam?

If you do not have a good answer do not bother. I am not interested in another shallow argument from you. I would prefer someone who comes out and say I am no longer Muslim and eat pork and drink alcohol than somebody presenting a convoluted argument that has no basis. I would consider the former to be non-shallow while the latter would be worse than a hypocrite and with no fihm at all.

So, abide by these guidelines or drop out. These are my rules to correspond further with you.

September 15th, 2012, 2:46 pm

 

VISITOR said:

FSA re-establishes full control of Salahedin in Aleppo,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/15/238224.html

September 15th, 2012, 2:48 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Recently there have been quite a few refutations of some on the left regarding their position on the Syrian situation. These included refutations from others on the left or bloggers such as Amjad of Arabia.

Tariq Ali got some serious attention for his RT interview.

I felt it was time we got a response from the likes of Tariq Ali and co. to explain themselves.

Tariq Ali has written the following article. I’ve only started reading it and am up to where he, in a change in his position his opinion, now concedes the regime most likely was behind the Houla massacre.

Western intervention in Syria will impose a semi-puppet regime on the Libya model

13 September 2012

http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/syria/1869-tariq-ali-western-intervention-in-syria-will-impose-a-semi-puppet-regime-on-the-libya-model

September 15th, 2012, 3:00 pm

 

Mina said:

After all, it was time for the world to discover that Egypt has a Prime Minister. “Egypt’s Prime Minister Hisham Qandil has said the US must do all it can to stop people insulting Islam.” (…) “He also called on the US, and other governments, to “take the necessary measures to ensure insulting billions of people, one-and-a-half billion people and their beliefs, does not happen and people pay for what they do, and at the same time make sure that the reflections of the true Egyptian and Muslims is well in the Western media.””
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19612408

Could someone explain them that there are probably hundreds of offensive videos and speeches against Islam on the internet but that they can simply decide not to watch them?

September 15th, 2012, 3:01 pm

 

Citizen said:

Al-Qaeda calls for killing of US diplomats over anti-Muslim film
A branch of Al-Qaeda based in Yemen called on Muslims to continue protesting and to kill US diplomats in response to the American-made film mocking the Prophet Muhammad, Reuters reported. The group posted a message on their website urging Muslims to follow in the steps of those responsible for killing America’s ambassador to Libya on Tuesday. “Let the step of kicking out the embassies be a step towards liberating Muslim countries from the American hegemony,” the statement said.
http://rt.com/news/line/

September 15th, 2012, 3:12 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

“Indeed, I asked myself, how could this happen, how could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction.” – Hilary Clinton, US Secretary of State
__________________________________________________________________

“Indeed I ask myself, how could this happen, how could this happen in a country we helped devastate, in a city we helped maximize the destruction into an unbelievably appalling shock and awe level, far worse than we did Afghanistan and Iraq. We even destroyed the very source of living and feeding the people, the great water project of Libya, we kicked out the brutal dictator Kaddafi, whom I personally welcomed his son in Washington couple years ago, and replaced his regime with genocidal Islamic Terrorists and Al-Qaida/Alciada to complete the trashing of Libya, now wait few more years, they will all be begging us for food for oil. They should love us for the opportunity we deprived them from having, free house, free cars, free medical, free education, all the oppressive dictatorial gadgets used by the evil dictator we appointed few decades ago.

It is appalling that they now are fighting us after we launched a campaign to desecrate the only thing holly for them, their Islam, we should have welcomed us with roses and rice. But now, that we seen the evil Al-Qaida face, we cannot tolerate this offensive people, we must send our NATO or US troops to invade and occupy them.

September 15th, 2012, 3:13 pm

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

You claim always that you are an “observer,” but you are missing to observe the mountain in front of you that is called Salafism. The little mountains next to it are the other militant interpretation of Islam.

Hardcore interpretation of Islam are popular these days.

Where is the last Sufi we saw on TV? Sufism is out of fashion and instead an ideology that espouses war and dehumanize the others is taking over with a huge money machine behind it. Militant interpretation of religious squabbles are dominant in the Middle East.

You said that you “do not know how much the Salafists would get in an election.” I am telling you that they will get more than the %5 you allotted them. In Egypt they got %25 and in Lebanon and Syria amongst Islamists, Salafis would get easy %25. Same with Jordan and Iraq. So why deny all of this. Also, if we look at how close the Muslim Brothers to the Salafis, we see that conservative Islamic parties would get at least %70 to %80 of Sunni voters at any given day now. Sufis and so forth may win %5.

See who is the %5 these days?

AS for your slander that I am from the %5 of minorities that thinks that the ruthless Islamic rule is worst than al-Assad years: please mr. observer stay away from personal insults. You do not know me. You write away about yourself, I do not. But here is a little info for you: I hate ruthless rule and dictators.

AS seeing me as the other mirror of the Salafis because I critique your sect, sorry mr observer I advise you to get accustomed to real conversations.

You are a romantic figure seeing things emotionally, I call things the way they are.

Your personal attacks on me are a reflection of your long years in the Middle East: no respect to other people’s opinions.

September 15th, 2012, 3:14 pm

 

mjabali said:

Humanist:

You have a point. Maybe amongst Pakistani Sunnis, you may find some non Salafists. But, from we see on TV and the events that took place one can say with conviction that conservative brands of Sunni Islam are more dominant these days.

My point is simple: elections would show us what is the real percentages of these types of parties. Sooner or later the parties are going to emerge.

But, to say that Pakistan’s Sunnis and Taliban do not have Salafi origins, does not mean that these countries did not develop a more conservative way. Look at how much hatred there is between the various Muslim sects over there in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Yes they may have a Sufi tradition, but where is that now.

Slah al-Din and the Ottomans were Takfiris also. Yes they may have been in one Sufi order, but, were they Takfiris or not?

How many people did Salah al-Din and the Ottomans kill from the other group?

September 15th, 2012, 3:24 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

374. Uzair8

Correction:

I said Tariq Ali now thinks the regime was most likely behind the Houla massacre.

Actually, Tariq Ali thinks ‘It’s now clear that the regime was responsible.’

September 15th, 2012, 3:27 pm

 

mjabali said:

Asstoine: (a combination between Antoine and Hassan: since both are the same person):

Mr. Asstoine Sarayah al-Difa’:

There are tons of Alawi Turkmans, and Alawi Kurds. The Alawi Kurds went through many massacres the last were in the 1930’s.

September 15th, 2012, 3:32 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Visitor,

“You may have had some respect previously based on good will. Now you [sic] lost it.”

This might come as a shocker to you, I never cared for your goodwill. And this is not personal against you, I just don’t care for many peoples opinion and goodwill on here.

“What do you mean by conservative”

Exactly as it says in the dictionary:

Holding traditional values and attitudes and cautious about change or innovation. Typically in relation to Politics AND religion

“Do you consider yourself Muslim?”

I was brought up Muslim, when pressed to identify myself with a certain religion or sect (by mainly Arabs and zealots like yourself) then I tell them I was brought up Muslim and identify with a Muslim God, however I don’t say that I am either a practicing Muslim or even a devotee. And for the record whatever faith I had in any God before this revolution has been long lost, Assad has proven to me that there is no God. That does not mean I do not respect peoples choices in their faith, on the contrary I try to find the good in every faith and to learn as much about it as I can.

“If so, how do you eat pork and drink alcohol and not be in violation of Islam?”

My answer above should cover this question. However I wonder what you consider Omar Al-Khayam to be? And are there Muslims without sin?

“So, abide by these guidelines or drop out. These are my rules to correspond further with you.”

I will comment however I wish whenever I wish as long as I follow the guidelines of the blog, and last I checked I do not see Visitor on the top right corner so your “guidelines” mean absolutely zilch to me. If you don’t like it go and بلط البحر !

And sure call me hypocrite and whatever else you want to call me, I have no issues whatsoever with your “words” about me, I am self assured and know exactly where I stand and whom I am, while you hide behind your bigotry and made up Salafi “facts” while differentiating people by their faith.

Anyways I will end this conversation here and now, because we all know you are always correct and everyone else is wrong, and as such it would be a rather waste of time to argue with such a simpleton as yourself stuck in the Dark Ages.

September 15th, 2012, 4:22 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Running, not defecting RT @TheGulfColdWar CONFIRMED: Defection of Yousef Al Assad, direct cousin of Bashar, who fled to Dubai #Syria

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/running-not-defecting-rt-thegulfcoldwar-confirmed-defection-of/

September 15th, 2012, 4:22 pm

 

Visitor said:

382 SOD,

No you cannot end anything on your terms.

But now that you have correctly identified yourself as a shallow hypocrite go and drink your brains off with Omar Al-Khayyam or anyone else like him. Only idiots would think Khayyam would amount to anything when it comes to Islam.

People like you and Khayyam just pass through Islam exactly like an arrow passing out of its bow. They learn nothing from it.

Now, you can be addressed properly and at least we get rid of an unwanted baggage from our midst.

September 15th, 2012, 4:31 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Visitor,

“Now, you can be addressed properly and at least we get rid of an unwanted baggage from our midst.”

Our midst? Who made you the revolutions bouncer?

Just try and farjeeni 3ard iktafatak ya batal ya Grandizer inteh! You are one nasty little dog, but like most dogs you are all bark and no bite, and like most dogs you need to be shown your place.

Keep howling someone might care and feed you a bone…

Btw Omar Al-Khayam is still remembered and discussed to this day, I wonder how many people will be discussing you hundreds of years after you die…

September 15th, 2012, 4:45 pm

 

Visitor said:

385 SOD,

And you’re just a little wimp whose facade has just been peeled and exposed for the hypocrite he really is?

Are you not the one who was always calling for so-called peaceful demonstration afraid to raise a finger while people are getting murdered?

You just bounced yourself out by yourself. No body needs to bother bouncing you or your likes. You’re useless.

The revolution is ours by default. You had nothing and will have nothing to do with it.

September 15th, 2012, 4:54 pm

 

Tara said:

The Coptic Nakoula has criminal records.  Not unexpected.  I congratulate the Islsmophobe society for their membership.  I bet most of them have criminal background.  It appears to be a package deal.

US police question film-maker linked to controversial anti-Islam movie
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, interviewed by police but not arrested or detained as protests continue across Middle East

guardian.co.uk, Saturday 15 September 2012 10.54 EDT

According to the Associated Press federal authorities have identified Nakoula, a self-described Coptic Christian, as the key figure behind the movie and identified him to be “Sam Bacile”, the man who claimed earlier this week to be writer and producer of the film.

Police officers said Nakoula went voluntarily with them to the police station and they were investigating to see if he had breached the term of a parole he is serving after being convicted of fraud charges.
….

According to court transcripts Nakoula’s defence said he only got involved in the scheme after losing his job in the gas station industry and had been forced to work for a few dollars a weekend at swap meets to try to support his children and an ailing father.

Nakoula apologized during the proceedings and his attorney James Henderson Sr said Nakoula had learned his lesson. “He’s clearly gotten the message,” Henderson said at the time during that court hearing. “I can’t imagine him doing anything stupider than he did here.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/15/us-police-question-film-maker

September 15th, 2012, 5:11 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

381. MZABALI

You have a sectarian point of view of what Syria is. You are the typical Assad´s Syria product. This kind of intelectual focus on Syria is under my point of view simply garbage. Specially when we all know that all young syrians behind the revolution have no sectarian but an unified focus on the syrian future.

Note: the combination of Hassan and Antoine makes Hastoine, not Asstoine. Some respect please. Do not try to be cultivated while being rude.

September 15th, 2012, 5:41 pm

 

Tara said:

Sandro

Just to let you know, I think very highly of you and have always admired and respected your position. I am so proud to be your fellow country woman.

September 15th, 2012, 5:51 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Benghazi was a mess for hours after its air space was crowded with US drones followed by the arrival of the Marines and CIA anti terrorism agents. Fighters in BinGhazi fired on those drones and shut BinGhazi airport for 24 hours. Data from communication inside Libya is now under US control and Libya’s own sea line is invaded by NATO vessels.
Take whatever conclusions you want from this report but it is clear now that Libya is losing its sovereignty and is being treated as a minor stepson by western governments .

September 15th, 2012, 5:57 pm

 

Tara said:

SOD@ 354

Ref: Morsi

I can’t agree more.

September 15th, 2012, 6:02 pm

 

Observer said:

Majbali
You still do not get it the 5% are the active militants. The 5% of minorities that think Islam is inherently evil is also my estimate of what some Christians or Druze think. The ones that acted on this premiss were the Christian militas in Lebanon and the active members were but 5% of the Christian population again.

Now what if Salafists in free and fair elections get 25% or more.

That means that 75% are not voting for them.

I also continue to say that portraying the other in such wide sweeping generalization of 1000 years of blood and ashes is the same discourse that the Salafists claim with the last 100 years after the demise of the Khalifate as nothing but pure aggression on Islam.

By the way I am an atheist and therefore your description of my sectarian nature does not hold.

Finally no insult or offense intended all I say is that the simplistic white and black thinking happens to be widespread.

Some atheists and other minorities think that Islam is inherently evil and Geerts in Holland or Ayan Hirsi Ali and others are examples of it. They and you are entitled to your ideas just as some neo Nazis claim the holocaust did not happen or that the Jews are behind all the ills of the world.

From this point of view demonizing all Muslims becomes an easy task just as the rumors that Muslims were behind the fire that killed Hindus in a train in Gujrarat resulted (some years back )in massive riots against Muslims who were burned alive.

It is thinking like this that needs to be debated for it allows for actions and reactions.

So in this debate I tell you again that all of the minorities of the Levant want the Sunni majority to be secular while they retain their ethnicity you cannot have the cake and eat it too.

Again I point out to you that this is in my opinion your arguments and that you are fully entitled to your ideas but in my opinion these ideas are worth debating as to their veracity and to their impact.

I think hiding behind an offended stance to an imaginary insult is a cop out of the debate.

September 15th, 2012, 6:12 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

389. Tara

I share my respect for you and your views, and specially for your faith in final victory. I pray night and day for Syria to become a place were people can live in peace and some acceptable levels of justice and dignity. I hope in the future we can enjoy Syria and hear free syrian wonderful people expressing their demands freely.

But what I really expect more than anything is coming back to see christians and muslims marching over Omayad Square to celebrate the end of the dark age of Assad´s Syria.

I have been outside for some days. Has the BBC Tlass interview commented here? I found Manaf an interesting and potential political character.

September 15th, 2012, 6:13 pm

 

Tara said:

Sandro

واللهِ وحياة الله وحياة المسيح الحي I do not have the slightest doubt that we shall prevail.  
Manaf Tlass interview was linked by Ghufran on SC several days ago.  I just do not trust him.  He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has not suffered for our freedom.  I doubt he would appreciate and defend democracy with his life.  But, if he becomes a transitional leader in order to overcome the impasse, I would have no problem with that.

September 15th, 2012, 6:30 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Visitor for the Dark Ages,

“3aouwwwwwww…!”

Sorry I don’t speak dog.

September 15th, 2012, 6:49 pm

 

zoo said:

China’s official news agency blames ambassador death on US policy

Agence France-Presse
Sep 14, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/chinas-official-news-agency-blames-ambassador-death-on-us-policy

BEIJING // China’s official news agency said yesterday the assault that killed the US ambassador to Libya highlighted an “arrogant” Washington’s “flawed” Middle East strategy, in unusually outspoken comments.

In a strongly worded commentary Xinhua said the violent attack, which has been condemned by governments around the world including China’s, showed the need for Washington to reconsider its policies in the region.

“The United States has been pursuing hegemony in the Middle East for decades, and people in the region are fed up with the image of ‘the arrogant American’,” it said.

September 15th, 2012, 7:09 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

Desmond Tutu

Read more at

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/d/desmondtut106145.html#8MtzTW1fpeSrewD4.99

September 15th, 2012, 7:12 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian Premier: Economy is Balanced & Syrian Pound is Stable
(Dp-news – Sana)
http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=131035

DAMASCUS- Syrian Prime Minister al-Halqi stressed Thursday that the Syrian economy is strong with all its components including services, reserve of foreign currencies and gold and that the economic situation is stable despite the embargo and the US and European sanctions imposed on Syria.

In an interview with the Syrian TV broadcast on Thursday evening, Premier al-Halqi said that Syria will remain steadfast as long as it enjoys economic, social and food security and depends on its national resources.

Al-Halqi reassured the Syrian people that food security is achieved despite the embargo since Syria is subjected to such embargo long time ago.
Al-Halqi refuted rumors on the deterioration of the Syrian Pound and the Central Bank of Syria as “untrue”, saying that “Syria’s reserve of Syrian currency exceeds SYP 600 billion and its reserves of foreign currencies are enough to survive for many years.”

The Premier said that the Syrian Pound is stable and has preserved its stability for 18 months since September 2011 when the sanctions were imposed on the Syrian banks and the difficulty of exchange which has been overcome through linking the Syrian Pound with other currencies.

He added that the intervention of the Central Bank of Syria in selling and purchasing operations and allowing private banks and exchange offices to issue currency exchange rate bulletin by a margin of 1% contributed to the stability of the Syrian Pound.

The Premier stressed the stability of Syrian banks, indicating that the security situation necessitates the closure of some branch of the Syrian banks to protect them from looting and burglary.

He reviewed the series of the US and the European Union sanctions on Syria since the beginning of the crisis which started with banning oil exports and imports to reach the Syrian banks and banning the importation of maintenance spare parts which stepped up pressure on economy and caused the overall economic growth to slow.

Al-Halqi added that the armed terrorist groups which targeted the economic and services infrastructure in Syria starting with oil fields, pipelines and facilities, railways, transports and extended to attack factories, banks, serves and humanitarian institutions, the health sector and the educational and tourism facilities and all these acts affected the Syrian economy.

He said that the government is working on meeting the citizens’ needs of diesel next winter as it will distribute 200 liters as a first stage to meet the heating needs.

Al-Halqi added that Syria needs 8 billion liters of fuel annually, adding that Syria produces 50 % and imports the rest 50% from other countries – in return for crude oil, clarifying that the Syrian government spent SYP 320 billion every year to meet diesel needs.

He said that the embargo and sanctions on banks and oil sector made it harder to fulfill the needs of oil derivatives, indicating that Syria has adapted to the new situation and found new outlets in cooperation with its friends all over the world.

The Premier said that Syria has strategic storage of domestic cooking gas, indicating that the problem lies in means of transporting and delivering it after the attacks and sabotage acts against railways.

Al-Halqi said that the Ministry of Oil and Mineral Resources transports gas through tankers and signed a contract to import 25 tankers for this purpose.

Premier al-Halqi stressed that heading to the east is not new as it started since 2005 though visits to Asian countries, countries of South America and Russia which resulted in joint investment projects and partnerships in several sectors such as energy and health, in addition to supporting Syria in international forums in the current crisis.

He expressed desire to boost relations with the east and the recent visits to Russia and Iran serve this purpose, stressing close relations with these countries to provide oil derivatives, strategic and necessary materials.

September 15th, 2012, 7:18 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Guy Verhofstadt on Situation in Syria

He sheds light on why the West’s inaction and the fallacy of a political transition with the Assad regime in place.

September 15th, 2012, 7:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Was Samaha’s plot initially intended to blow up the pope while visiting in Lebanon and then blame it on the Muslims?

September 15th, 2012, 7:27 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

It’s unfortunate to witness pro-revolution users turning on each other. We don’t have to agree with each other on everything. Perhaps some things, which possibly threaten to divide us, can be left for another day, to discuss post-revolution, for the sake of achieving the primary goal, a successful revolution?

Such vehemence weakens and harms our cause and only gives succor to our opponents.

Sometimes instinct demands one thing when it is wiser to restrain and remind ourselves of the main purpose for being here.

Let’s try to end the suffering of the Syrian people.

September 15th, 2012, 7:37 pm

 

Tara said:

Mohamed Morsi: a spectacular balancing act
Egypt’s president has surprised many with his ability to dominate domestic politics – so far. Now, as tensions surface at home he has to find a way to appease the US after the embassy attack in Cairo
 
Ian Black
The Observer, Saturday 15 September 2012

….
Until then Morsi had said only that he was ordering Egypt’s foreign ministry to sue the US makers of the film Innocence of Muslims – the tacky, low-budget 14-minute trailer that triggered protests across the Arab and Islamic worlds and provided cover for a pre-planned armed assault that killed the US ambassador to neighbouring Libya.

Images of the storming of the fortress-like embassy had been broadcast around the globe. “We Egyptians reject any kind of assault or insult against our prophet,” Morsi finally responded in the Brussels press centre. “But it is our duty to protect our guests and visitors from abroad.”

This belated and carefully crafted message was delivered after what the New York Times described as a “blunt” 20-minute phone conversation with Barack Obama. “The president has to balance between his domestic alliances with ultraconservative Islamists and Egypt’s relations with the US on the foreign affairs front,” observed analyst Khalil al-Anani. It is, as this episode has shown, a delicate high-wire act.

Troubling questions are in the air. Can the Arab world’s most populous country, now ruled by an Islamist president, remain on good terms with the US if anti-American sentiment is so strong? What about vitally needed tourism and foreign investment? Is the entire Arab spring a failure? Is Morsi, as conservative American critics splutter, “a new Khomeini” – a revolutionary firebrand who will send baying mobs to besiege US embassies?

Morsi was sworn in in July after winning – by a small margin – a free election that gave Egyptians their first real choice of a leader, as Cairenes joke, in 7,000 years. It was a triumph not just for democracy but also for the Muslim Brotherhood, banned since the overthrow of the monarchy in 1952. Morsi saw off a former general, Ahmed Shafiq, who was seen as a quintessential felool (remnant) of the old regime.

The contest could hardly have been more polarised. And Morsi was not an appealing figure. The original candidate of the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party was Khairat al-Shater, a charismatic businessman who spent years in Hosni Mubarak’s prisons and was disqualified on a technicality. Morsi, an engineer, was a backroom operator. Enemies scorned him as “spare” – and underlined the point by waving tyres at his carefully orchestrated rallies. Journalists groaned at his dreary, quote-free speeches.

In the end, though, the Brotherhood’s well-oiled machine mattered more than Morsi’s underwhelming personality. And even critics concede that he has proved surprisingly deft, cementing his leadership while acquiring, on paper at least, greater powers than any of his predecessors – and this with parliament suspended and a new constitution yet to be written. The Morsi Meter, established to monitor his performance in his first 100 days, currently gives him an approval rating of 47%.

In August he pulled off a spectacular coup, revoking the powers of the generals who had dominated Egypt since forcing Mubarak out. Commentators called it Morsi’s “night of power” – an unmistakable reference to the Qur’an.

“The army was trying to contain Morsi but he outmanoeuvred them step by step,” reflected Abdullah Hamouda, an independent journalist. “He made peace with the civil authority in order to confront the military.” It was a swift victory in a struggle most Egyptians had assumed would take years. “The genius of it was doing it without having a confrontation,” mused a secular intellectual who like many others mistrusts the Brotherhood but admits to grudging admiration for the president. “It was done in a very sophisticated way that is in line with the temperament of the Egyptian people.”

Next Morsi played a blinder on the international stage, flying to Tehran to attend the Non-Aligned Movement summit despite objections from the US and Israel. Standing alongside Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, he lambasted the “oppressive regime” of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad – Iran’s close ally. Morsi spoke with all the moral authority of the Egyptian revolution. And there was a pleasing echo of the feisty independence of the Nasser era. “If it displeases the Americans, then so be it,” shrugged one official. “This is the new Egypt.”

In line with this new assertiveness Cairo is now trying to put together a “contact group” for Syria – comprising Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey – to see if the Middle East can forge a solution that has eluded the divided UN security council.

On the negative side, it is clear that the Cairo embassy affair has been damaging to relations with the US. Obama, under fire from Republican Mitt Romney, described Egypt as not an ally but not an enemy – an alarmingly tepid characterisation from the man who provides it with $2bn in annual aid, the price, principally, of maintaining the 1979 peace treaty with Israel. Egyptian diplomats dismiss this as a slip of the presidential tongue in the heat of the moment. It didn’t sound like a gaffe.

Obama’s critics will doubtless relish the opportunities for attack when Morsi visits Washington soon. “Morsi is taking a page from the 1979 Khomeini playbook, fabricating an international incident to mobilise religious passions as a weapon for his political grouping against more secular blocs in Egyptian society – the Egyptian military very much included,” thundered the right-wing commentator David Frum.
..

The novelty here is accountability to voters. Mubarak could and did ignore popular opinion and sent in the riot police or plain clothes thugs to crack heads. Morsi’s dilemma is the classic one of an elected politician torn between his core constituency and allies and larger issues of national interest.
..

Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Doha Centre says he now detects tensions between the Brotherhood and the presidency. “The events of the last few days have… made clear that Morsi’s office and the MB are not one and the same,” he commented. Morsi’s long-delayed statement tried to “offer everybody a little something”, said the political scientist Michael Wahid Hanna. “But the Brotherhood are not in opposition any more. They run the country now.”

Egyptians are watching Morsi on other fronts. Liberals disliked the vengeful Qur’anic language he used when jihadis killed 16 Egyptian soldiers in Sinai – a stark reminder of the perennial dangers emanating from the Palestinians, Israel and the besieged Gaza Strip. Many are still waiting for the Christian and female vice-presidents Morsi promised to appoint to underline inclusivity – and for an end to the muzzling of critical media, with its echoes of the bad old days. The president’s balancing act over Egypt’s turbulent and shifting landscape will face more challenges – and doubtless more unpleasant surprises.
…,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/sep/16/profile-mohamed-morsi

September 15th, 2012, 7:44 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

The Pope, on his peace mission to Beirut, told the Lebanese to stop shipping guns to Syria. Good advice.

Also this from Lebanon:

“The mufti, or spiritual leader, of Lebanon’s Sunni Muslims told Pope Benedict XVI on Saturday that he would consider “any attack on a Christian as an attack on all Muslims.” Mohammad Rashid Qabbani, who met the pontiff at the presidential palace, added that he also considered “any attack on a church as equivalent to an attack on mosque, because our religion prohibits us from doing so.” Qabbani’s remarks were included in a letter he handed to the pope, as the pontiff also met leaders of the Shiite, Druze and Alawite communities. He said the events rocking the Arab world “bring us Muslims and Christians a light that shows us the path to a better tomorrow, though they also bring many dangers that are a threat to us. But just as we made our history together in the past, we will also make our future together, based on coexistence.”

I’ll bet VAT has a contrary opinion on coexistence.

September 15th, 2012, 7:51 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

402. Tara

“Morsi was sworn in in July after winning – by a small margin – a free election that gave Egyptians their first real choice of a leader in 7,000 years.”

Tara, you’re starting to get like “Cut & Paste Ann” with a post that goes on and on like a garden hose. But at least your choice of article was a good one.

Morsi was NOT the first in 7,000 years. But it seems like 7,000 because it’s been a long time since the Egyptians ruled themselves. The last Egyptian Pharaoh reigned about the time of King Solomon (1000 BC). After that it was Libyans, Nubians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Turks, British. Face it, they’ve waited a long time for this. They may find out after a year or so of chaos that’s it’s better to let foreigners run the show.

The problem for Egypt is, tourism is the big economic engine and with all this burning and looting and killing of Christians, no one’s gonna come to see the Pyramids.

Prediction: some Muslim lunatic is gonna propose they destroy the Pyramids because they’re pagan. Some other Muslim lunatics are gonna say, “That’s a good idea.” Remember. You heard it here first.

September 15th, 2012, 8:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Silentio

“Tara, you’re starting to get like .. Ann”

Dear Silentio, I would kill myself first..

September 15th, 2012, 8:28 pm

 

Ghufran said:

قال الدكتور عمار يوسف  الباحث في الشؤون العقارية : أن سورية بحاجة إلى ما يزيد عن 45 مليار دولارلإعادةالإعمار
موضحا أنه لا توجد تقديرات رسمية لعدد المساكن المتضررة لكن من حيث المبدأ بلغ عدد المساكن المهدمة بشكل كامل ثلاثمائة ألف مسكن والمتضررة بشكل جزئي مائتان وخمسون إلف مسكن وما تضررت بنيته التحتية بما يقارب أربعمائة ألف مسكن .
Syria does not have $ 45 billions but money stolen from the treasury by the regime and its friends can cover part of the expenses, expats if they find a relatively stable country to go back to or invest in can also help,as of foreign help,I am not holding my breath to see that coming, most foreign help has strings attached.
Personally, all of my zakat money went and will continue to go to Syria for years to come, that is the least any Syrian can do to help, those who can give more should do so, I think politics should be kept aside when the issue is humanitarian aid.
SOD, how do envision getting out of this mess if the opposition does not want to talk to the regime, I am not talking about the Assads and Makhloufs here, ?

September 15th, 2012, 8:41 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Holy Father: Fundamentalism is always a falsification of religion. It goes against the essence of religion, which seeks to reconcile and to create God’s peace throughout the world. Therefore the task of the Church and of religions is to undertake a purification – a lofty purification of religion from such temptations is always necessary. It is our task to illumine and purify consciences and to make it clear that every person is an image of God. We must respect in the other not only his otherness, but also, within that otherness, the essence we truly have in common as the image of God, and we must treat the other as an image of God. So the essential message of religion must be against violence – which is a falsification of it, like fundamentalism – and it must be the education, illumination and purification of consciences so as to make them capable of dialogue, reconciliation and peace.

September 15th, 2012, 8:53 pm

 

Syrain said:

I want to thank God that the rigeme did not expand the internet to the country side, otherwise we would vertual revlution as we are witnessing here with our 2 vertual worriers fighting it out over the net while real people are dying

September 15th, 2012, 9:06 pm

 

Ghufran said:

ذكر مركز أمريكي متخصص في مراقبة المواقع الإلكترونية الإسلامية، أن تنظيم قاعدة الجهاد في جزيرة العرب يتبنى هجوم بنغازي، ويعلن أن اقتحام القنصلية الأمريكية وقتل السفير مع 3 دبلوماسيين آخرين يأتي “انتقاماً” لمقتل أبو يحيى الليبي.
ونقل مركز “سايت” عن بيان للتنظيم أن “وفاة الشيخ أبو يحيى الليبي أثارت الحماسة والعزم في نفوس أبناء عمر المختار للانتقام ممن سخروا من نبينا”.

September 15th, 2012, 9:43 pm

 

ann said:

Shia towns in Syria under months-long blockade by Wahhabi insurgents

More than 80,000 Shia Muslim in the northwestern Syrian towns of Nebbol and Az-Zahra’ are suffering from starvation under a siege imposed by Wahhabi terrorists.

The extremists are reportedly affiliated with the so-called Free Syrian Army (FSA), which has been fighting against the government forces over the past year.

The blockade has caused grave food and medical shortage in the towns, some 20 km away from the flashpoint city of Aleppo.

The towns had a population of 60,000 Shia Muslims but have been hosting an additional 15,000 displaced Shias taking refuge in there.

Thousands of others including families of the opposition escaping conflicts and Sunni Muslims refusing to join the anti-government camp have also fled to the towns.

In late June, insurgents practically cut off roads to Nebbol and Az-Zahra’ after clashes spilled over to Aleppo, accusing the residents of supporting Iran and Lebanon’s Hezbollah.

The armed gangs have threatened to kill the people who tried to directly or indirectly enter basic needs for the people in the besieged towns.

Bread is a rarity due to lack of flour and patients are in dire need of medicine, while the residents live under constant threats of massive cleansing operations by the insurgents.

[…]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=722_1347715923

September 15th, 2012, 9:49 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Is this one of the lessons Maliki wants Syrians to learn from?
الشيء الوحيد الذي حققه المالكي هو تعميق الطائفية
لندن – اتهم وزير الاتصالات العراقي السابق محمد توفيق علاوي اول من يستقيل من حكومة “المحاصصة الطائفية” برئاسة رئيس حزب الدعوة الاسلامي المدعوم من ايران نوري المالكي، رئيس الوزراء بغض النظر عن عمليات فساد يقوم بها مقربون منه.
واكد علاوي الذي استقال من منصبه في 27 اب/اغسطس، خلال مقابلة مع وكالة الصحافة الفرنسية في لندن انه يملك وثائق تؤكد وجود عمليات كسب غير مشروع داخل الحكومة، مشيرا الى انه سيكشف عن هذه الوثائق التي رفض اعطاء تفاصيل حولها، في الوقت المناسب.
وقال “انا واثق من ان الاشخاص المحيطين بالمالكي فاسدون، وتحديدا الاشخاص القريبون كثيرا منه هم عبارة عن جماعة فاسدة جدا”.
واضاف علاوي في منزله الواقع في غرب لندن ان المالكي “يعرف الفاسدين ولكنه لا يتخذ اي اجراء ضد المقربين منه ويسمح لهم بان يكونوا اكثر فسادا وهذا امر واضح جدا”.
وعلاوي شيعي ينتمي الى قائمة “العراقية” التي تقدم نفسها على انها ائتلاف علماني، ويتزعمها رئيس الوزراء الاسبق اياد علاوي، قريب الوزير السابق المستقيل.

September 15th, 2012, 10:01 pm

 

Ghufran said:

قال تجمع “دبلوماسيون سوريون من اجل دولة مدنية ديمقراطية” المعارض، يوم السبت، إن “خلاص سورية في المرحلة الراهنة يتطلب تحييد العوامل والأجندات الدولية والإقليمية لصالح الدفع بالأجندة الوطنية السورية إلى الأمام، وفي سبيل ذلك لا بد مقاومة سياسات النظام الهادفة لرهن مستقبل سورية بصراعات النفوذ على المستويين الإقليمي والدولي”.
وبين البيان أن التجمع “ينحاز الى رفض الشعب لوجود النظام الذي اختطف الدولة السورية بمؤسساتها المدنية والعسكرية والأمنية رهينة لخدمة مصالحه الضيقة، ويرى أن ذروة الأزمة تتمثل الآن في استمرار وجود الرئيس بشار الاسد الذي فقد كل شرعية على رأس السلطة”، على حد تعبيره.

September 15th, 2012, 10:05 pm

 

Observer said:

Majblai

Here is what you wrote

Your personal attacks on me are a reflection of your long years in the Middle East: no respect to other people’s opinions.

Here you have proven my point for with one stroke you have brushed a painting of the people of the ME as being backward or barbarian.

It is not living in the ME that makes you backward or barbarian it is dictatorship and oppression and corruption that dehumanizes the other.

Also dehumanizing the other is the first step to intellectual colonialism and to oppression and dictatorship.

Once you brush a painting of the other in negative terms we allow his/her slaughter.

That is the mantra of the 5% in every ideology these days and these are the ones through their militancy and our complacency are setting the discourse.

You are entitled to your freedom of thought even the thought that Islam is by nature violent and oppressive just as the late ancestor of the current ruler of Syria declared and you entitled to think that all Muslims are backward and barbarian.

My role is to remind you that words have consequences and you should be held responsible for the words you say in the intellectual arena.

I do believe that about 5% of Alawis are RABIDLY SECTARIAN AND DEEPLY RACIST.

This Rabid Sectarian and Racist Thinking allowed in the great US of A the home of the freedom of expression, NOT the MIddle East where I spent my first 18 years as you claim LYNCHED BLACKS BY HANGING THEM FROM THEIR RIBS WITH MEAT HOOKS AND CUT OFF THEIR ORGANS AND STUFFED THEM IN THEIR MOUTHS UNTIL THEY DIED.

Humanity is full of atrocities and the difference between man and the animals reside in two areas: the pleasure in torture and the thrill of destroying

So you have graciously proven my point.

September 15th, 2012, 10:26 pm

 

Mina said:

It’s been more than a year or nearly that Ben Ali, Mubarak, Qaddafi and Saleh have been ousted. Have you heard of ANY of the “new governments” or of the remaining Arab governments that has taken a single measure concerning EDUCATION, CULTURE, or FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
No. It’s so perfect it can’t be reformed.

Observer: can you explain me how you want to reach democracy without freedom of speech?

September 15th, 2012, 11:45 pm

 

Mina said:

404 Silentio
Morsi may be Egyptian but all his sons have US citizenship. Some people have been suggesting in the past few days they should renounce their citizenship to protest the film. But no one has asked Wael Ghonim if he would quit Google because they refuse to pull it out of Youtube…

407 Ghufran
You can call the Pope a genuine politician. He says that on one side and helps Christian fundamentalists get their stake domestically (the cokooes who want the services in Latin for example).

September 15th, 2012, 11:58 pm

 
 

ghufran said:

Amb Ford’s first foreign interview since he left Syria:
http://www.france24.com/en/20120211-military-intervention-syria-usa-ambassador-robert-ford-bashar-al-assad
the interview was given 7 months ago, nothing has changed since then.

September 16th, 2012, 12:20 am

 

ann said:

Maybe Ambassador Ford Can Explain To us Why His Friends and Allies in Syria Are Burning American Flags!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c11_1347711641

US-Backed Syrian “Opposition” Burn American Flag in Aleppo and Chant Anti-American Slogans

ALEPPO (Sep 13, 2012):
Amid Islamic chants for the prophet Muhammad, US-backed Syrian opposition members burn the American flag after the Muhammad movie “Innocence of Muslims” short version came out on YouTube. The “protestors” also raised the Al Qaeda flag as can be seen at 1:05.

Should the US government keep funding and training these ungrateful US backstabbers and traitors to their own country and people?

September 16th, 2012, 12:28 am

 

Syrain said:

379. MJABALI said:
“How many people did Salah al-Din and the Ottomans kill from the other group?”
I can tell you in the 4centuries of Ottaman rules they did not kill as many as the 2 Assads did in 4 decades

September 16th, 2012, 12:41 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Liberated Tunisia 8)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_tunisia.html

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against all travel to liberated Tunisia

[…]

September 16th, 2012, 12:42 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

418

Dear Ann

It’s utterly simplistic to label these flag-burners as “US Funded.” There are plots within plots within plots, yielding up a classic inside-the-beltway circle jerk connecting the dots between politicians, lobbyists, shadowy foreign nationals, POWs and Islamic mujahideen, not to mention Asian Power Broker Joker Arroyo and fugitive Mafia Financier Frank “Frankie Five Angels” Pentangelo and the late Jimmy Hoffa and Lee Harvey Oswald. The Mexican Drug Lords and the Israeli Arms Dealers are in the mix as well. And oh yeah, there’s a sinister back-channel money-laundering scheme to finance Brenda’s amnesia operation so she can remember what Lance told her about Heather’s motel rendezvous with Drake on the day Monica put strychnine in Lizbeth’s gumbo and…

September 16th, 2012, 12:46 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Liberated Libya 8)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5772.html

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against all travel to liberated Libya.

September 16th, 2012, 12:49 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Liberated Yemen 8)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5685.html

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the high security threat level in liberated Yemen due to terrorist activities and civil unrest. The Department urges U.S. citizens not to travel to liberated Yemen.

September 16th, 2012, 12:54 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Not Yet Liberated Algeria 8)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5774.html

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the risks of travel to Algeria.

September 16th, 2012, 12:59 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Liberated Iraq 8)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5758.html

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against all but essential travel to liberated Iraq given the security situation. Travel within liberated Iraq remains dangerous.

September 16th, 2012, 1:03 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Not Yet Liberated Lebanon 8)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5710.html

The Department of State continues to urge U.S. citizens to avoid all travel to Lebanon.

* Guess the Pope missed out on this one!

September 16th, 2012, 1:09 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Not Yet Liberated Sudan!

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5768.html

The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the risks of traveling to Sudan, urges U.S. citizens to avoid all travel to the Darfur region of Sudan, the Blue Nile and Southern Kordofan States, and advises you to consider carefully the risks of travel in other areas of Sudan. On September 15, 2012, the Department of State ordered the departure of all dependents of U.S. direct hire personnel and all non-emergency U.S. government personnel from Sudan, following the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum.

September 16th, 2012, 1:18 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

This is so cool. Ann is suddenly into short cut & pastes. She must be buying the generic-brand meds.

September 16th, 2012, 1:21 am

 

ann said:

US State Dept. Travel Warning!

Not Yet Liberated Syria!

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5756.html

The Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens against travel to Syria and strongly recommends that U.S. citizens remaining in Syria depart immediately. This Travel Warning supersedes the Travel Warning dated August 1, 2012, to remind U.S. citizens that the security situation remains volatile and unpredictable throughout the country, with an increased risk of kidnappings, and to update contact information.

No part of Syria should be considered immune from violence, and the potential exists throughout the country for hostile acts, including kidnappings.

September 16th, 2012, 1:28 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

You said that if I view the people of the Middle East in a negative way regarding their lack of respect for the freedom of speech I am allowing their slaughter: You must be kidding here.

This is a very simplistic way to look at things.

I am talking about a proven cultural trait and you are jumping into a conclusion that I call for their murder. Dude wake up and respect my opinion.

People in the Middle East, and you are a prime example, do not respect what others has to say.

If I say that these people do not respect freedom of speech does it mean that they deserve to die: No. You need to teach them how to do so by different means. This is a solution mr. Observer and not their slaughter.

You are too emotional mr. observer. Be real and look at the place where you come from and critique it with power and not with the lame attitude of yours.

Stop telling us stories about your heroics and great personality and concentrate on the issue.

You cry a lot over spilled milk. I tell you how things are. I put my emotions to the side and resort to what I see.

Where did you reach this conclusion about me? Where did I called for the slaughter of A or B? This is not in my culture and personality.

As for Islam: where did I say that all Muslims are barbarians? I point out the barbarians amongst them: yes I do that, so what? Did I and my family witness the barbarity of many Muslims? So what is the problem if I call things the way they should be called. Was their any barbarity within the Islamic history? are we allowed to talk about it mr. ACLU?

Grow up mr. Observer: we are in the 21st C., and things can not be hidden and shoved under the rug pretending things are ok and lovely.

You had nothing to say regarding your fictional %5, so you turn it to an attack on me personally. Also you try to take digs at the Alawis thinking I represent them. mr. Observer: I represent myself, if you want to curse and dehumanize the Alawis go ahead, do you think I will stop you. It is your freedom of speech and you can say whatever you want.

Weak argument mr. Observer, better come up with something better.

September 16th, 2012, 1:39 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer said:

“Majbali
You still do not get it the 5% are the active militants. The 5% of minorities that think Islam is inherently evil is also my estimate of what some Christians or Druze think. The ones that acted on this premiss were the Christian militas in Lebanon and the active members were but 5% of the Christian population again. ”

That is your opinion mr observer: in my views there are %5 active militants, and %50 ready to be made into active militants. If you are not an active militant you support them. The ideas of the active militants are shared by the non-active militant also.

It is the elections that would show the real size of any party.

As for the minorities: You are wrong also: more the %5 see Islam as evil. I time this by ten at least. Let us be frank here mr. observer. You are not telling the truth. You are trying to play nice. Please do not and tell the truth. It is more important to tell the truth than being “politically correct.” Telling the truth will lead into a better future, if there is any for Syria.

Minorities hate Sunni Islam and do not trust it. This is no secret. You may say whatever you want to say about your love for the minorities, but this is not going to change things at all because actions speak louder than words. Sunni Islam, since it is the most dominant one, did not leave a good history when dealing with the minorities.

September 16th, 2012, 1:54 am

 

annie said:

http://youtu.be/JOzE2PbAPns
The Syrian government has has tried with great determination and dexterity to fragment the society and to exploit sectarian differences and class differences to prevent the emergence of a secular nonsectarian nationalist opposition. Michael Provence is the director of the Middle East Studies Programs at the University of California, San Diego. His research focuses on the colonial and post-colonial Arab world, particularly popular insurgency and nationalism, and he has travelled and lived in many countries in the region including Lebanon and Syria.

September 16th, 2012, 2:29 am

 

annie said:

The latest delivery from Walls
http://7ee6an.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/to-my-niece-with-love-a-letter-from-a-syrian-aunt/

To my niece with love

Dear niece.

You are my niece and I love you and will always do. I am going to explain to you my view point. Syria has been ruled by the Assads for over 40 years. I lived under their rule as a little girl all the way up to starting a business and working at the university and for Syrian TV, thus, I really do not need anyone to explain to me what the Syrian regime is all about. I left the country 20 years ago and went back almost every year to visit. I watched Syria falling slowly into the abyss. I could see it very clearly coming from outside the country, while people inside the country were completely oblivious. They genuinely believed that Syria was getting better and moving forward, while in reality it was inching backwards. They thought that having the Internet and being allowed on limited web sites was the ultimate achievement. They figured that having some private schools meant progress in education, but they truly had no clue what progress meant or required. As time went by, the few institutions that we had in Syria were slowly disappearing under the pressure of corruption and nepotism. Syria was no longer ruled by a government, it was ruled by a mafia. You could get anything and everything done if you knew the right person, businesses could only operate if they partnered up with the right people and law and order was completely based on fear and torture. This type of government was not sustainable. The people in Syria were either becoming filthy rich or dirt poor, the middle class slowly, but surly disappeared and young people could neither find jobs nor hope for a better future. In summary, the Assads could write the book on how to destroy a nation. Today, the people said enough is enough. They watched other Arab countries get rid of their dictators and decided that it is now or never. I was not born yesterday; I know that the FSA is committing some atrocities. I know that the CIA and the MI 5 and others are roaming free in Syria. I realize that some Jihadi elements are there too, but this, to me, is the natural result of what the Assad regime did and continues to do. Forty years of persecution of free thought and speech. Forty years of the outlawing of free assembly. With that in mind, I do not understand how anyone can expect a unified opposition of any sort. We have literally not talked to each other in forty some years. How are we going to immediately make the connection and understand each other?. This is beyond normal human abilities. The demonstrations started as purely peaceful demonstrations. The regime opened fire on them killing droves of people. Yet they continued and persevered. Giath Matar, from Daraya, organized residents to meet the army with roses and bottles of water. He was arrested and tortured to death. The regime said that they are open to talk to the opposition. Every single person who showed up to those meetings was either arrested, killed or fled the country after continuous molestation. I can go on and on, but you get the picture. I spent 5 days with your father when he came to visit me. I know exactly how he feels about this whole thing. He was one of the lucky ones who had a good life that is now destroyed. He is worried about the future and rightly so. We are all worried and are under no illusions that this will take many years to stabilize. From his perspective: he was doing well and living well and he did not need this disruption at this stage in his life. I do not blame him. I would have probably felt the same way, had I been through the same experience, but the life of a nation and 23 million people cannot be decided by individual interests. It has to be decided by the will of the majority. I am an ardent supporter of this revolution and of the Free Syrian Army. I cannot wait for the bastard-in-chief to go. I want Syria to have a chance in becoming a nation of institutions. A nation where people can thrive because of their abilities, not their connections. Please remember that this regime that you are supporting is bombing Halab with planes that we, the people, paid for. They do not really care about anyone except themselves. He wants to keep his power period. They hit hospitals by tanks with straight aims. Wake up and open your eyes. This is no longer a plain and simple “difference of opinion”. At this point, you are either with the murderer or with the victim you cannot even choose to be in-between.

Your loving aunt….

September 16th, 2012, 3:04 am

 
 

annie said:

http://youtu.be/x1qHjeYhlOk
The video is shocking by its brutality and also its insults to Islam. In fact a friend who survived torture told me he would be stark naked during questioning and torture.

It is commented in a very good article by Qunfuz
http://qunfuz.com/2012/09/15/blasphemy/

I have never been very good at maths; I hope they keep this validating stuff simple

September 16th, 2012, 3:10 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

433

“I was not born yesterday; I know that the FSA is committing atrocities. I know that the CIA and the MI5 and others are roaming free in Syria. I realize that some Jihadi elements are there too, but this, to me, is the natural result of what the Assad regime did and continues to do. Forty years of persecution of free thought and speech. Forty years of the outlawing of free assembly. With that in mind, I do not understand how anyone can expect a unified opposition of any sort. We have literally not talked to each other in forty some years. How are we going to immediately make the connection and understand each other?. This is beyond normal human abilities.”

So true. Thank you, Annie. We have literally not talked to each other for forty some years because the Assads would not permit it.

September 16th, 2012, 3:23 am

 

Citizen said:

What’s Driving Anti-American Protests? | Think Tank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSnK86l1HOE

Finally The Truth: Muslim Protests About NATO Drone Strikes, Backing Saudi Jihadists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCV7Ab–7M

Al Qaeda: Attack On Libya Embassy Revenge For US Drone Strike
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/15/al-qaeda-attack-libya-embassy-revenge-drone-strike-185051/

Libyan Salafists Hope to Assert Power in Embassy Attacks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtYe6TFs8UI

Syria Rebels Are The Same Salafi Extremists Attacking US Embassies
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/16/syria-rebels-salafi-extremists-attacking-embassies-185111/

Syrian rebels: Too fragmented, unruly
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-rebels-too-fragmented-unruly.aspx?pageID=238&nID=29158&NewsCatID=352

September 16th, 2012, 5:13 am

 

Citizen said:

434. JUERGEN
old model silly, are you not able to issue more new ideas ?turbid water spoil your bright mind .

September 16th, 2012, 5:26 am

 

Mina said:

Best timeline to this day on the film’s production and diffusion
“Once upon a time it would have taken scores of dedicated people and an awful lot of hard work and travel to incite riots in two dozen countries half a world away. But, as events of the past six days have shown, a few extremists in California can now do it without even crossing the state line.

Fresh revelations yesterday enabled to be pieced together for the first time the inside story of the anti-Islamic film that has caused mayhem around the globe, and led to the deaths of around a dozen people, including Chris Stevens, the US ambassador to Libya. The tale involves Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a shadowy convicted fraudster and user of multiple aliases; Steve Klein, an insurance salesman seemingly obsessed with the idea that West Coast America is full of jihadists poised to strike; and a mysterious charity called Media for Christ. And in their intent to provoke a reaction among the more incitable elements of Islamic countries, they were unwittingly abetted by a firm owned by Google, and a satellite channel’s talk-show host.

Nakoula, although he has denied involvement, has been identified as the key figure in the making of the film, while Mr Klein has acted as its promoter, and the Christian charity was listed as the production company.

It all started, as these things so often do, with the innocuous: a casting call for a film with the working title of Desert Warrior and described as a low-budget “historical Arabian Desert adventure”. Actors, including “various Middle Eastern types, bearded”, were asked to apply. The lead character was to be “George – warrior leader, romantic charismatic”. Actors were hired, a professional crew engaged, and most of it was shot in about two weeks last summer inside a squat warehouse that serves as the offices of Media for Christ, according to Eric Moers, who served as chief electrician for the production.

Mr Moers said the film took 15 to 16 days to shoot and that 90 per cent of the work was done at the Media for Christ studios. He said one day was spent at a movie ranch in Santa Clarita, and one day was spent filming at the home of the man he knew as Bacile, a likely alias of Nakoula. Mr Moers, who estimated the cost of production at $100,000, added: “I’d say this was the most unprofessional professional film I’ve worked on.” He said he was paid with a cheque issued on the account of Abanob Basseley Nakoula, the 20-year-old son of the purported filmmaker.

Most of the film was shot using a backdrop to simulate other locations. The crew members received sheets with the scenes each day − never a full script − and Mr Moers said there was no mention of the word “Muhammad” throughout filming. But, at some stage, unknown to the actors (who have issued a statement saying they were misled by the film’s makers), the movie was re-dubbed. “George” became Muhammad, and the dialogue was altered to insult the Islamic faith, portraying the Prophet as a bloodthirsty womaniser, and paedophile. The result, judging by the 14-minute clips available, was that a film toe-curlingly amateurish in its script, with wooden performances and shoddy production values (“sets” were often poor back-projections), became a crude and flagrant insult to Islam.

The intention of those involved may perhaps best be judged by what happened next. With the alterations complete, and the title changed to Innocence of Bin Laden, the small Vine Theatre, Hollywood, was booked for a screening, and mosques leafleted in an attempt to drum up a Muslim audience. They failed. Barely anyone at all attended the screening, and so on 2 July the film – or rather 14-minute clips of it –turned up on YouTube, with its title now Innocence of Muslims. The account used to post the footage was in the name of “Sam Bacile”.

Still no notice of it was taken, so on 6 September, a Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-American Coptic Christian living in Washington and described as an anti-Islamic activist, acted. He posted a blog and emails to journalists worldwide which mentioned an “International Judge Mohammad [sic] Day” being organised on 11 September by the Rev Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who famously put the Koran on trial and then threatened to burn it. He included a link to the YouTube trailer for the Innocence film, which by now had dialogue translated into Egyptian Arabic.
Still no notice of it was taken, so on 6 September, a Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-American Coptic Christian living in Washington and described as an anti-Islamic activist, acted. He posted a blog and emails to journalists worldwide which mentioned an “International Judge Mohammad [sic] Day” being organised on 11 September by the Rev Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who famously put the Koran on trial and then threatened to burn it. He included a link to the YouTube trailer for the Innocence film, which by now had dialogue translated into Egyptian Arabic.

This, after a couple of days, finally lit the blue touchpaper. Last Saturday, Sheikh Khalid Abdallah, who hosted a talk-show on the al-Nas satellite television channel, based in Egypt, ran an item on the film. Three days later, the deadly protests began. (…)”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/mayhem-and-death-with-just-one-click-8142465.html

By the way, the Yemenis were first protesting against Saleh’s immunity, but who cares…Not a single meter of the Red Sea Coast will ever know any sort of “sovereignty”, oil tanks would not survive it.
http://www.yementimes.com/en/1607/news/1390/Rally-demands-end-to-Saleh%E2%80%99s-immunity.htm
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/yemen%E2%80%99s-numan-power-must-return-popular-will

September 16th, 2012, 5:41 am

 

Observer said:

Majbali

I never said that you are asking for the death of anyone, where do you find that. I keep the discussion in the intellectual arena.

Once again you prove my point that the minorities have hatred of the other and this time the other is in your opinion is Sunni Islam. Likewise the Salafist Takfiris have hatred for the other even their fellow Muslims and legitimize their slaughter. They are mirror images of each other.

I am baffled about your assertion of political correctness and about a supposed glorification of myself. I give examples from my experience and had no intention of talking about myself.

This is clearly a dialogue of the deaf for you do not seem to want to discuss the matter.

Here it is again:

The 5% number comes from the studies that showed that in insurrections and liberation movements about that number take up arms. This was the number in the Vietcong and in Cuban liberation and in other places.
These have the support of the population and in your estimate you claim that more than 50% are ready to join. Yet the elections in Egypt and Tunisia did not bring those numbers into the Salafist camp. The Nour Party in Egypt did not get that kind of numbers.

I do not think that the Phalanges party was able to garner more than 5% of the Christian population into its militia.

So I am not trying to be politically correct I just am relying on the previous known and accepted estimation of proportions of active and supportive elements in any militant armed struggle.

Again you have your opinion and I told you before the ACLU of which I am a member sued to allow the KKK to express its opinion even though it is based on hatred. I do not know whether you hate anyone and I do not think it is relevant.

My argument with you is that you cannot assert that this or that creed or religion or ideology is inherently evil without telling us why and on what basis. At least Geerts in Holland does say the the Quran has enough verses in it that in his opinion oppress women and calls for jihad and for killing and therefore should be banned.

He makes his argument based on the reading of the book and in this he is intellectually consistent.

I think your and Mr. Geerts objections to the verses of the Quran and I am assuming that you have some of course, are a very important point that we need to make. In Sunni Islam today, there is no way that a Martin Luther can come forth and offer a critique of the Quran or its current Salafist interpretation without being accused of blasphemy and threatened with death. Therefore, non Muslims are doing this and unfortunately they get tainted as Islamophobes.

Therefore, your objections to Salafist thinking is music to my atheist ears and a critique of the Quran is breath of fresh air to my atheist lungs coming from Mr. Geerts and others.

What I want from Mr. Geerts for example is an intellectual debate about the issues he raises in open forums and in academic circles. Likewise, your brushing all of the people in the ME with a trait that in your opinion predisposes them to lack of respect of freedom is to say the least racist. This is fine with me, you are free to think that and you may be right about it even, I am open minded, so please express to me exactly what you think about the religion, the semitic race, the political system, the family structure, the anthropology of the ME people or even their genetic make up that predisposes them to accepting tyranny or to deny freedom to others.

You have fudged the answers.

September 16th, 2012, 7:47 am

 

Observer said:

Majbali

Please prove this statement that you are making to me
“I am talking about a proven cultural trait ” when you say that the people fo the ME do not respect the opinion of others.

You also say that the history of minorities was not good under Sunni Islam and that more than 50% of minorities hate Sunni Islam. I am sure this number is conservative but how many of the minorities took up arms against Sunni Islam, more than 5% ?
What you said before is that more than 50% of Sunnis are ready to join the Salafists and you also say that more than 50% of minorities hate Sunni Islam.

So the two are mirror images of each other according to your math.

This is perfect I have no problem with it
THE POINT I AM MAKING IS THAT THERE IS ENOUGH HATRED TO GO AROUND AND THAT BOTH ARE VICTIMS OF HATRED AND BOTH ARE VICTIMS OF THE 5% FANATICS THAT HAVE HIJACKED THEIR CAUSES BASED ON FEAR AND A DEMONIZATION OF THE OTHER.

Demonize so that you can colonize and oppress and banish and slaughter. Done by everybody, Sunni Shia Hindu Jew Christian Alawi Druze Nazi Communist Right wing Left wing Liberation Occupation you name it.

My challenge is that it goes both ways for the last forty years we have had in Syria the mirror image of the oppression meted out by Sunnis towards the Alawites and others for hundreds of years and the time reckoning has come. For the last forty years the Alawis did in Syria what the Sunnis did to them for eons. It is reckoning now. Not that I want any reckoning outside of the court of law but this is the reality today.

September 16th, 2012, 7:57 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

You said:

“Once you brush a painting of the other in negative terms we allow his/her slaughter. ”

As for proving that Middle Easterners do not respect the opinion of others.

How can I prove this? of course I can not go on a field research to prove this, but certain things could tell you a lot. From my long years living in Syria or knowing the Middle East : I can say Yes Middle Easterners in general do not respect freedom of speech and do not respect the opinions of others. It may happen on rare occasions.

Most of them think they know it all.

Most, if not all, of the people I know or came in contact with are like that (talking about Middle Easterners here).

As for your question about how many minorities took up arms against Sunnis, from what I know about the Alawis, a huge percentage of them fought against the Sunnis who were out to exterminate them. There are clear records of what happened in the 19th C. you can see for your self. The Sunnis in the countryside of Syria has done this in many instances. It is the whole village taking up arms against al-Assad. Those who did not take up arms support those who took up arms.

What became Syria in the 20C was different demographically 100 years ago. How many Alawis lived in and around Allepo when the Ottomans came in 1516? How many Shia villages or Druze were around Allepo and Idlib for example? How much was the percentage of the Christians in Syria in 1850’s? What happened to them?

To answer another one of your point: yes there is a sort of the mirror image you are talking about. What is happening today is similar to what used to happen in the 19th C.

The religious sectarian violence of the past is fueling what takes place today. You add to this the foreign element also; like Iran and Saudi Arabia. You have a huge religious score to settle here.

This is what I have been trying to say on this board from day one.

Yes there is lots of hatred there, I told you this from day one also. You tried to portray that Syrians love each other and respect others regardless of their religious background. There is a very small minority of Syrians who may think like that in spite of what is taking place. Those may give you hope for a future Syria.

I tell things in real terms so people can see the malaise and try and treat it, if they have the will and desire to do so.

The rule of al-Assad family is a continuation of the norm. They ruled like the ones before them. They did not come from the moon. They came from within the place that had been ruled with religious and ethnic hatred for many years.

Islam tore the middle east to shreds because of the its inner wars between its different sects. I lived through this, and read it everyday. Go read the comment section in al-Arabiyah and tell me what you see?

Dictatorship also tore the middle east and created incomplete citizens.

September 16th, 2012, 8:46 am

 

Citizen said:

NATO strike kills women and girls gathering firewood – Afghan officials
each air strike innocent people are dying as a result . Mrs. Clinton announces U.S. aid to Afghans go to heaven
http://rt.com/news/women-killed-afghanistan-airstrike-250/

September 16th, 2012, 8:48 am

 
 

Citizen said:

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/15/australia-police-clash-antius-demonstrators-sydney-video-photos-184981/
Australia Police Clash With Anti-US Demonstrators In Sydney (VIDEO)
Police in Sydney, Australia have fired tear gas at violent protesters staging a demonstration against the US.

September 16th, 2012, 9:14 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

You said:

“My argument with you is that you cannot assert that this or that creed or religion or ideology is inherently evil without telling us why and on what basis. At least Geerts in Holland does say the the Quran has enough verses in it that in his opinion oppress women and calls for jihad and for killing and therefore should be banned. ”

Mr. Observer I have said many times, something you should know also, that to prove that something is “inherently evil” you need to look at its history. Actions speak louder than words. So, if you need to see if a certain religion is evil go and see what people have done in its name so far.

The history I bring is the history of my personal family and what I read and see with my own eyes. There was and is no language of love.

On the other hand, as for what Geerts thinks of al-Quran and how al-Quran has verses that does not suit modern times, I have no time for that, I hope you would let us know.

September 16th, 2012, 9:23 am

 

Citizen said:

US initiating unprecedented naval buildup in Persian Gulf
http://rt.com/news/naval-training-persian-gulf-258/

اقالة وزير بريطاني بسبب رفضه دعم التحرك ضد ايران
http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/594644/
افادت صحيفة “ميل اون صنداي” البريطانية الأحد 16 سبتمبر/ أيلول بان اقالة نيك هارفي وزير الدولة لشؤون القوات المسلحة البريطانية من منصبه كانت بسبب عدم موافقته على خطط لندن دعم عملية عسكرية محتملة ضد ايران.
ونيك هارفي هو عضو الحزب الديمقراطي الليبرالي الذي يدخل في الائتلاف الحاكم حاليا في بريطانيا. ويضم الحزب في صفوفه عددا من الوزراء بينهم رئيس الحزب نيك كليغ نائب رئيس الوزراء البريطاني.
وكان نيك هارفي قد فقد منصبه يوم 4 سبتمبر/ايلول بعد التعديلات التي اجراها ديفيد كاميرون رئيس الوزراء.
وتشير الصحيفة الى ان هارفي “يؤكد على انه ضحية لعدم موافقته على مهاجمة ايران. حيث ابلغ احد المقربين منه انه اقيل من منصبه في الحكومة لمنع حدوث انقسام في الائتلاف الحاكم في مسألة دعم الهجمات الوقائية للولايات المتحدة واسرائيل على المواقع النووية لايران”.

September 16th, 2012, 9:26 am

 
 

Dawoud said:

421. Johannes de Silentio

Dear Mr. de Silentio:

Please don’t waste your time in any debates with Hasan Nasrillat’s American supporter/translator, who once propagated her view that the Der’a teenager Hamza al-Khateeb-whose penis was mutilated by Bashar’s shabiha-was actually killed by “Saudi terrorists!”

Save your time brother Johannes!

Free Syria, Free Palestine, Bahrain is Arab forever!

September 16th, 2012, 11:06 am

 

Citizen said:

Mr Blowback Rising in Benghazi
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32440.htm

“Daddy, what is blowback?”

September 15, 2012 “Information Clearing House” – Here’s a fable to tell our children, by the fire, in a not so-distant post-apocalyptic, dystopian future.

Once upon a time, during George “Dubya” Bush’s “war on terra”, the Forces of Good in Afghanistan captured – and duly tortured – one evil terrorist, Abu Yahya al-Libi.

Abu Yahya al-Libi was, of course, Libyan. He slaved three years in the bowels of Bagram prison near Kabul, but somehow managed to escape that supposedly impregnable fortress in July 2005.

At the time, the Forces of Good were merrily in bed with Colonel Muammar Gaddafi in Libya – whose intelligence services, to the delight of the Bush administration, were doing their nastiest to exterminate or at least isolate al-Qaeda-style Salafi-jihadis of the al-Libi kind.

But, then, in 2011, the Forces of Good, under new administration, decided it was time to bury the oh so passe “war on terra” and dance to a new, more popular groove; humanitarian intervention, also characterized as “kinetic military action”.

So al-Libi was back from the dead – now fighting side by side with the Forces of Good to topple (and eventually snuff out) “evil” Col Gaddafi. Al-Libi had become a “freedom fighter” – even though he was openly calling for Libya to become an Islamic Emirate.

The honeymoon didn’t last long.

In September 2012, for the first time in three months, al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, aka The Surgeon, released a 42-minute video special to “celebrate” the 11th anniversary of 9/11, finally admitting the snuffing out of his number two.

His number two was none other than Abu Yahya al-Libi – targeted by one of US President Barack Obama’s cherished drones in Waziristan on June 4.

An immediate effect of al-Zawahiri’s video was that an angry armed mob, led by Islamist outfit Ansar al Sharia, set fire to the US consulate in Benghazi. The US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed. It didn’t matter that Stevens happened to be a hero of the “NATO rebels” who had “liberated” Libya – notoriously sprinkled with Salafi-jihadis of the al-Libi kind.

Stevens was rewarded by Washington with the ambassadorial post only after “evil” Gaddafi was finally sodomized, lynched and killed by, what else, an angry mob.

So finally the blowback serpent was able to bite its own tail.

Terra, terra, terra
What happened in Benghazi may have been just an out-of-control protest against a crude, amateur, made-in-California movie produced and directed by an Israeli-American real estate developer and certified Islamophobe (an identity now being reported as a guise), financed with US$5 million from unidentified Jewish donors, depicting Islam “as a cancer” and Prophet Muhammad as a womanizer, a pedophile and most of all, a fraud. The movie was duly promoted by wacko Florida pastor and Koran-burning freak Terry Jones.

Yet the killing of the US ambassador in Libya is just an hors d’oeuvre to what may happen in Syria – where scores of “freedom fighters” supported by the CIA, the Turks and the House of Saud are al-Qaeda-linked, either via the supposedly reformist Libya Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) or acronym-infested subcontracting gangs such as Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) or al-Qaeda in the Maghreb (AQIM).

So how will Washington “bring the perpetrators to justice” in Libya? After all this is the same gang that was hailed as “heroes” when they sodomized, lynched and snuffed out “evil” Gaddafi.

Asia Times Online has been warning for over a year about blowback in Libya – and potentially in Syria, where medieval Saudi sheikhs frantically issue fatwas legitimating a widespread massacre of “infidel” Alawites. This is all a rerun of the same old 1980s’ Afghan jihad movie; first you call them “freedom fighters”, but when they attack us they revert to being “terrorists”.

Now we have NATO-armed Salafi-jihadis in Libya, and House of Saud-financed and Turkey-based Salafi-jihadis in Syria – deploying “terra” antics such as suicide bombers to bring down the Assad regime – all wired up and ready to roll. It certainly adds a new meaning to Obama’s “kinetic action” gig.

Blowback – as in Afghanistan – might have taken years. This time Mr Blowback reared its ugly head in only a few months. And that’s just the beginning.

So what now? Who’re you gonna bomb? Who’re you gonna drone to death? What about bombing Benghazi a year after condemning Gaddafi to death because he might have threatened to … bomb Benghazi?

Ask US Secretary of State Hillary “We came, he saw, he died” Clinton, who claims to talk on behalf of the “Libyan people”. Maybe she will come up with a policy of retroactively aligning the US with Gaddafi.

And since this is an electoral year, why not ask invisible former president Bush himself? After all, he proclaimed on September 20, 2001 that “either you are with us, or you are with the terra-rists.”

Well, Mr Blowback would say, beware of what you get when you are in bed with the terra-rists.

September 16th, 2012, 11:14 am

 

Ghufran said:

‏الأحد‏، 16‏ أيلول‏، 2012
أجرى المبعوث الأممي والعربي الى سورية الأخضر الإبراهيمي حواراً عبر السكايب مع قادة في” الجيش الحر”، كما قال رئيس المجلس العسكري للجيش الحر في محافظة حلب العقيد عبد الجبار العكيدي.
وأشار العكيدي كما اوردت “ه\ا.ف.ب” الى أنه شارك في الحوار مع الإبراهيمي الى جانب العقيد قاسم سعد الدين المتحدث باسم القيادة المشتركة للجيش الحر في الداخل، والعقيد خالد حبوس رئيس المجلس العسكري في دمشق

September 16th, 2012, 11:17 am

 

Uzair8 said:

The regime cuts the throats of children.

Let me repeat. The regime cuts the throats of children.

After Tariq Ali said it’s clear the regime was behind Houla I want to say a few words. Sorry for being blunt.

Usually we see the regime carry out an atrocity and accuse the rebels. Its media trumpets and army of propagandists help to further muddy the waters via disinformation. When eventually the truth comes out, the story has died down and things have moved on, with much more having happened in the meantime. The potentially powerful impact and horrific significance of the crime has been buried.

So picture your child, younger sibling or the children from amongst your nearest and dearest and repeat the words:

The regime cuts the throats of children.

September 16th, 2012, 11:29 am

 

Visitor said:

The story of Jabali and his family:

Jabali descends from a town called Jableh, hence the name. In the Eigth century AH, Jableh which was a Sunni town was invaded by the Persian ancestor of Jabali, so called Mohammad Ibn Al-Hassan al-Mahdi. The whole town was murdered in a manner not very much different than what we witness today under Assad.

Talking of atrocities against Alawites through the centuries? You must be kidding.

This is a classic case of sheer murder and then blaming the victims, as we see happening right now in front of our own eyes.

Treason however was the hallmark of this family: from the Mongols to the crusaders to the French colonialists, the pattern keeps repeating itself. It is a pattern of treason and treachery of a fifth column that does not belong in Syria.

Go to Persia, enjoy its so-called greatness and leave our Syria alone.

On the other hand, a so-called debate about Islam between traitors and declared atheists is music to our ears. Keep up with you byzantine rhetoric.

September 16th, 2012, 11:54 am

 

Citizen said:

Iran Commander Offers Detail on Attack Retaliation
http://en.rian.ru/world/20120916/175992758.html
If the United States attacks Iran’s nuclear facilities, Tehran may retaliate by launching missile strikes against U.S. military bases in the region or by shutting down the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20 percent of the world’s petroleum passes, the top commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard warned at a news conference on Sunday.
If Israel attacks on its own, Iranian missile strikes will ensure that “nothing will remain” of the Jewish state, Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari said.
“Given Israel’s small land area and its vulnerability to a massive volume of Iran’s missiles, I don’t think any spot in Israel will remain safe,” Jafari said.
He also said the counterattack would begin near the Israeli border, in an apparent reference to militant groups in Gaza and Lebanon who possess rocket arsenals that can hit Israel.
But Jafari said he does not expect Israel to attack on its own. Instead, U.S. forces would most likely lead a strike, in which case Iran would overwhelm U.S. missile defense forces by launching a massive retaliatory attack, he said.
The U.S. is leading a naval exercise with Western and Arab allies in the Persian Gulf scheduled to begin next week.
The Obama administration has vowed to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon and has left open the possibility of a strike on its nuclear facilities.
Iran maintains that its nuclear program is solely for peaceful purposes.

September 16th, 2012, 12:10 pm

 

Antoine said:

VISITOR,

The Free Syrian Army is totally determined to turn the tables on this fifth column. no matter what the cost. Syria can descend to hell and so can its sophisticated people ( SOD and TARA prototypes ).

September 16th, 2012, 12:12 pm

 

Visitor said:

455 A

I wouldn’t call SOD sophisticated. He is trying to give the impression but the best he can do is pretend. Shallowness is a more accurate description.

I have no doubt the FSA will turn the tables.

When I make contributions to the SR I make sure the FSA will receive it. I wouldn’t contribute to such organizTions as the hcu or the red cross. Because as Al-3Akidi said today this is not a revolution of the hungry but the revolution of dignity.

Dignity will be achieved by exterminating the 5th column out of Syria for good this time

September 16th, 2012, 12:19 pm

 

ann said:

The CIA’s Islamist Terrorist Network – Wayne MADSEN – 12.09.2012

The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the U.S. and the lobbyists for the U.S. war on terrorism are only interested in making money

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2012/09/12/the-cia-islamist-terrorist-network.html

The Central Intelligence Agency cobbled together the forerunner of the present Muslim jihadist terrorist network in the late 1970s to battle Soviet troops in Afghanistan. Throughout the next three decades, the CIA continued to maintain links with the jihadist groups, using them as allies for certain operations and attacking them when America’s «commitment» to the «war on terrorism» required an propaganda boost in the world’s media.

An example of the CIA ‘s flip-flopping between using its mujaheddin and jihadist allies and then declaring them «terrorists» and putting a price on their heads is the recent declaration by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the Haqqani network based in North Waziristan, Pakistan is a «foreign terrorist organization».

The Haqqani network, led by Jalaluddin Haqqani, was cobbled together by the CIA and the Pakistani Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the 1980s.

The Haqqani network is the latest former CIA ally to be branded a terrorist group. The Haqqanis are the latest in a long line of so-called terrorist groups that were organized and funded by the CIA only later to be thrown to the side of the road and branded «terrorists». Others include «Al Qaeda», led by CIA Afghan war veteran Osama bin Laden and Hezb-I Islami leader Gulbuddin Hekmatayar. With the designation of the Haqqani network as a terrorist organization, after the demise of Bin Laden and the designation of Hekmatayar as a terrorist, the CIA has run the table on its old mujaheddin allies. Only those «Al Qaeda» operatives who have allied themselves with the CIA in the Western-backed insurgencies in Libya and Syria.

Bin Laden and «Al Qaeda» were the convenient scapegoats for the CIA and its Mossad allies to provide a «logical» perpetrator for the 9/11 attacks on the United States, the 11th anniversary of which is now being observed across America. Hekmatayar’s falling out with the CIA appears to be over his attempt to cut into the opium smuggling in Afghanistan run by intelligence cut-outs for the CIA, as well as the family opium harvesting and smuggling business of the family of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

In his book on America’s dalliance with Islamist terrorists, the late ABC News Middle East correspondent John Cooley reveals the nature of the CIA’s involvement with Afghan opium smuggling in his book Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism. Getting the idea from French intelligence, the CIA launched Operation Mosquito, a program that pumped heroin and hashish into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan in order to «hook» Red Army troops on drugs and decimate their fighting potential. When supplies of narcotics from Pakistan were depleted, the drugs shipped into Afghanistan came from stockpiles of Colombian cocaine and heroin impounded by the Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Customs Service, and U.S. Coast Guard. The CIA used various Afghan warlords and operatives like Bin Laden, Hekmatayar, and Haqqani to smuggle drugs into Kabul, Kandahar, and other areas where Soviet troops were concentrated. The proceeds from the drug smuggling were split between the Afghan warlords and the CIA’s off-shore slush funds.

No less an expert on «Al Qaeda» than the late British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, in an article for The Guardian newspaper published on July 8, 2005, wrote «Throughout the 80s he [Bin Laden] was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally ‘the database,’ was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians». Cook, who, as Foreign Secretary, would have had access to most of the files of two agencies subservient to him – Britain’s MI-6 Secret Intelligence Service and Britain’s U.S. National Security Agency counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) – was revealing some of the most hidden secrets about Western intelligence agency involvement in crafting and exploiting the 9/11 attacks.

Former French military intelligence officer Pierre-Henri Bunel, who tracked Islamist terrorist networks in the Balkans and discovered their CIA origins, said «Al Qaeda» was not merely a database, but an Intranet the CIA used to call up reserves of mujaheddin to engage in specified terrorist actions, much like those seen during the past few years in the remote-control bombing of civilians in Damascus, Beirut, Baghdad, various Libyan and Pakistani cities, Aden, and other locales., all carried out by «Al Qaeda» or its off shoots.

Bunel described in great detail how «Al Qaeda» operated. He revealed that the Al Qaeda «Intranet» was established under the auspices of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), which is based in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Users, including OIC member governments and their embassies around the world, could access the database «by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language.

A major in Pakistan’s military told Bunel that the «Al Qaeda» database was «divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, Q’eidat il-Maaloomaat and Q’eidat i-Taaleemaat. Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic Q’eidat ilmu’ti’aat, which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for ‘base.’»

Among the countries using the Al Qaeda Intranet to conduct terrorist operations was Saudi Arabia. And the «Al Qaeda» Intranet had been around for quite some time before 9/11. Bunel stated: «When Osama Bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages».

Cook died suddenly from a heart attack a month after he wrote the Guardian article. Bunel was charged, convicted, and imprisoned for a dubious claim that he spied for Serbia.

Today, the OIC is at the vanguard of providing covert support to «Al Qaeda» and affiliated rebels fighting against Bashar al Assad’s government in Syria. It is likely that the «Al Qaeda» intranet is working overtime sending coded messages between Jeddah, Riyadh, Doha, Abu Dhabi and «Al Qaeda» field units in Syria and on the Turkish side of the Syrian border. The OIC has suspended Syria from OIC membership and the only reason for such a decision was to sever Syria from the OIC «Al Qaeda» Intranet intelligence link to Syrian rebel forces and CIA covert channel terminals in Langley, Virginia.

Hekmatayar and Haqqani are arms of the ISI and when their services were needed the most by the United States, they served the interests of the CIA. There is now an attempt by the CIA to rewrite the recent history of South Asia and eliminate all the insurgents and guerrillas and their organizations that did the bidding of the CIA. Bin Laden was accused of carrying out 9/11, Hekmatayar of killing U.S. troops in Afghanistan on behalf of the Taliban and «Al Qaeda,» and now the Haqqani network, still an arm of ISI, of attacking U.S. targets in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

America’s love affair with Islamist radical terrorists goes back to the days of Zbigniew Brzezinki, President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser, and even earlier, when journalist-turned-CIA agent Archibald Roosevelt, the grandson of U.S. uber-imperialist-turned-progressive Theodore Roosevelt, concocted a plan to bring the Soviets to their knees by stoking anti-Communist Islamists against the Soviets in places like Egypt, where the CIA supported the Muslim Brotherhood’s attempt to assassinate Egyptian pan-Arab socialist Gamal Abdel Nasser. Archibald’s cousin, Kermit Roosevelt, was in charge of the 1953 CIA coup that toppled Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq and restored the hated Shah to power. Both decisions were monumental disasters for U.S. foreign policy in the Muslim world.

[…]

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2012/09/12/the-cia-islamist-terrorist-network.html

September 16th, 2012, 12:23 pm

 

Antoine said:

SOD and TARA, both of you belong to the privileged class of Syria, the entitled class, the appropriating class, and I should add, the collaborator class that has sided with Assad since 1970. You should both keep this in mind and do not lecture us, the foot-soldiers of the revolution.

This is a revolution of small people like me, the small man in the street, and you are a guest in this revolution. We want to change the social structure of Syria totally, this is what Sayyid Qutb wanted as well.

September 16th, 2012, 12:27 pm

 

Antoine said:

VISITOR,

I wouldn’t go the extent of painting SOD with the brush that you are doing, he is a decent guy who is pro-revolution, but as I said his class background makes him a guest in our Revolution, besides the fact that he is a peacenik makes him useless for our armed revolution. I also doubt if he ever completed his compulsory military service.

I should also remind you that this individual (SOD) is on record saying he will NOT donate his money to the FSA for buying weapons and he is AGAINST sending weapons to Syria.

But still I welcome him in the Revolution.

September 16th, 2012, 12:33 pm

 

jna said:

456. Visitor said: “Dignity will be achieved by exterminating the 5th column out of Syria for good this time.”

That’s not the solution, that’s the problem, in spades.

September 16th, 2012, 12:36 pm

 

Visitor said:

459 JNA,

Sorry, we’re not playing cards here.

This is for real.

September 16th, 2012, 12:39 pm

 

Ghufran said:

453 and similar posts do not belong to a reputable site like SC but rather to a trash basket, the only benefit of those posts is to illustrate how this uprising have deviated from its original goals and is now hijacked by Islamists and terrorists who are in effect helping the regime and alienating the majority of Syrians. The attacks on Tara and SOD are in the same category, militants do not accept dissent or opposing views,this is what the west will get if it continues to support armed rebels, replace one dictatorship with another: the new Syrian Talibans.

September 16th, 2012, 12:40 pm

 

VISITOR said:

458 A,

That makes him a baggage and that’s what I told him.

But shallow, he is. Believe me.

Whoever refuses to support the FSA with whatever means is calling for the creation of another generation of ‘Palestinian’ refugees. And that is why what al-3akidi said today is so important.

You want dignity go and fight for it. Then you get our support and not just our sympathy. Every thing comes with a price. That is the world we live in.

September 16th, 2012, 12:44 pm

 

ghufran said:

France-24 on Jihadists in Syria:

http://www.france24.com/en/20120808-foreign-jihadists-enter-syrian-fray-british-islamists-syria-uprising-jeroen-oerlemans

this is why the regime still has support, people are afraid to death from those who want to replace Assad, most Syrians now do not think that civilian opposition leaders will be allowed to rule Syria if the rebels manage to defeat regime forces.

September 16th, 2012, 12:53 pm

 

Albo said:

349. TARA

If you’re fed up with Jobs’ homsi auto-corrector, you can turn it off in the settings, in the general/keyboard parameters (with the last iOS versions afaik)

So I just caught up to the conversation, I will just make a few remarks:

To Son of Damascus, I will ask you to expand on this “No Baath and the Assad family is the root of this conflict, ” Do you really think that, right now, this conflict is about Assad and the Baath, deep down? Do you really think that their removal alone can cure Syria?
I read your post about the early years of independent Syria, I am aware of the short lived syrian democracy. My point about sectarianism is confirmed by it as people voted depending on their sectarian and tribal backgrounds.. To me this democracy ressembled the Lebanese, a dysfunctionnal system. Certainly Lebanon looks like a better place than Syria, but we know how much blood they shed to reach that precarious balance.

And to correctly address your position, I must mention “the day after” document you linked. Great principles are good, but applying them is another story. I don’t think many people are reassured by it. The absence of a unified leadership in the opposition, the meddling of neighboring states and external groups makes it difficult to be optimistic. The outcome in Syria, imo, will be defined by a single principle: might makes right. That is when the power struggles are settled or exhausted inside and most importantly outside of Syria. There isn’t much we can do about it.

I would have a lot of things to say about tribalism, nationalism but maybe in another post.
I’ll simply remark that if I mischaracterized you, and it appears I did, I’ll not apologize for not knowing your posts from years ago or you personally. I’ve learned in my country that there exists such a thing as a “cultural catholic”, and it appears that in some ways you sought to be a “cultural sunni”. I have observed many radical atheists in the West and most often they throw the baby out with the bathwater, ie they forget or reject their culture and even their people with their religion. You on the other hand naturally feel solidarity with Syrian Sunnis and feel the need to answer people when they comment/attack the faith- while you can have this harsh exchange with Visitor at the same time. We can see that also with Observer even though he says he’s an atheist. Western atheists in fact rarely, if ever, do that and I think I know why (the tribal set up of societies in the islamic framework, the Ottoman empire being the perfect example)

———–
To Mjabali/ observer

About the percentages, it’s hard of course to know exactly. But we have these polls
http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/2010-muslim-01-13.png
Egypt is really bad, this is 2010 but you can see the nasty effect the MB had.
I must emphasize Mjabali’s point about the view of minorities about Sunni Islam: it is because they view Sunni islam as the hegemonic, imperial ideology that it is. Example: Copts simply are the vanquished Egyptians and the heir of the immemorial pharaonic culture. Their lithurgic language is descended from the idiom spoken by the pharaohs, and was still used by impoverished peasants during the late middle ages to the disdain of the Arabized elite. So there is no point in calling Copts islamophobes; I was baffled to read that. They are islamophobe by nature and wouldn’t be Copts if they weren’t. Striving minorities must be and will remain intolerant to others to a degree: it is their natural right in order to ensure their survival, just look at the history of Jews wherever they settled.

——-

To Visitor, don’t blame ME for driving a wedge between Syrians and Gulf people. They do that themselves very well. Have you not seen the links about how their nationals prey on Syrian females and young girls in refugee camps ? What are their rulers doing, those self-proclaimed friends of Syrians? What have you to say about that? Other than praising them every other post? Your silence has been telling.

September 16th, 2012, 1:10 pm

 

Antoine said:

OBSERVER, there is a slight difference between Alawite sectarianism and that of the Shi’a sectarianism.

Unlike the Shia anti-Sunni sectarianism of Lebanon or Iraq, which is firmly rooted in theology doctrines and Islamic history, Alawite anti-Sunni sectariansim is more of a racist, Islamophobic nature. It is more similar to the sectarianism of the Lebanese Maronites or Egyptian Copts in that it is racist, Islamophpic, Arabophobic, and firmly rooted in ideology of violence.

There is a troubling intellectual narrative among the Alawites and Copts – that they are not Arabs, they are racially pure and superior, they are inheritors of ancient classical civilization, and the Sunni Muslims are actually the fifth-columnist traitors who “defected” by converting to Islam and inter-marrying with the Arabs and Turks.

( Maybe I should not use the word “Islamophobic”, becuase “phobia” denotes fear, whereas the sectarianism I described above is a mixiture of fear, hate, and disgust ).

September 16th, 2012, 1:43 pm

 

Antoine said:

Btw this revolution does not represent any sect, it represents the interests of the small man on the street, against that of the State supported elites and privileged classes. This is a revolution against illegal privilege.

September 16th, 2012, 1:51 pm

 

Antoine said:

I have posted this before but the regime thugs still don’t have the answer….

On 4th September a high-ranking regime officer in Aleppo claimed that the regime Army will be able to capture Saif al-Dawla by the next 2 days and the whole of Aleppo within 10 days, it is 16th September today and even Saif al-Dawla is mostly still the frontline. Even Saif al Dawla has not been captured by the regime.

What do the regime supporters have to say about this ?

Do you think the Islamist terrorists have defeated the Syrian Army ?

What can be more shameful for the strongest Army in the Arab world, with 400,000 active troops and 700,000 reservists and 5,000 Tanks, to be not able to take abck a few neighborhoods and suburbs from Islamist terrorists for 2 months ?

So is it a FAILURE for the regime and the Army ?

Why don’t they throw in the towel ? Don’t they have any honor left ? Just the FACT that the regime is nowhere close to defeating the rebels should be a cause for Assad to throw in the towel.

September 16th, 2012, 1:56 pm

 

Visitor said:

Albo said,

“To Visitor, don’t blame ME for driving a wedge between Syrians and Gulf people. They do that themselves very well. Have you not seen the links about how their nationals prey on Syrian females and young girls in refugee camps ? What are their rulers doing, those self-proclaimed friends of Syrians? What have you to say about that? Other than praising them every other post? Your silence has been telling.”

Of course I have to blame you. What else are you doing, here?

As for those links, I do not need to say anything other than they are another cheap attempt to drive such wedge – a cheap propaganda.

The khalijis are not only our brothers in faith, but we, Syrians, and them have a long long history of intermarriages. Need I remind you that the Syrian tribes are in fact cousins and extensions of well established confederations that go back thousands of years in time? Your feeble attempts to drive the wedge will in no way make a dent in such well established connections that are unbreakable. I suspect, while you may be Syrian, you’re an outsider to Syrian culture who has some agenda similar to the so-called شعوبيين who cannot find a place for themselves which they consider their birthright in Syrian/Arab society. In this case I cannot help you. You just have to work harder to blend in. In other words assimilate, period.

As for the girls who get married to khalijis, if true, that is their choices or their parents choices who think that is best for their daughters. Who knows? That may turn out to be the case and they may end up living like princesses like the thousands upon thousands of Syrian women who marry to the Gulf. If you ask those women about their lives, they would tell you they wouldn’t trade their current lives for anything in the world. If you are really still concerned about the issue you should ask yourself what made these people become refugees? The answer is clear. It was not the khalijis. It was the criminal regime of thugs occupying Damascus and some parts of Syria.

September 16th, 2012, 2:07 pm

 

Halabi said:

The angels who will continue to rule Syria if the regime stays. This is an example of dialogue.

http://youtu.be/gDUmnDW6q2o

September 16th, 2012, 2:07 pm

 

mjabali said:

Visitor:

It is obvious that you have limited knowledge about Syria.

The person who is from Jableh is called Jeblawi جبلاوي, whereas the person from the mountain is called Jabali جبلي. I asked my dog and he told me about this.

Also, as for your hatred to the Persians: how can you defend against the theory that says that the Salafi’s godfather Ahmad Ibn Hanbal is Persian?

Also, can you elaborate about the Persian’s role into establishing your creed?

As for the Mongols: how can you defend against the theory saying that your forefathers maybe Mongols?

AS for the Mongols: tell us mr. history: how many years did the Mongols ruled Syria?

As for the Crusades: they defeated you soundly many times. The Alawis has nothing to do with that. Even my dog knows this fact.

As for why you see yourself as the virtuous one who is better than the Persians and other: I say go check a doctor you need one.

September 16th, 2012, 2:19 pm

 
 

Ghufran said:

العربية.نت
أكد العقيد عبدالجبار العكيدي، قائد المجلس العسكري المعارض في حلب، والذي شارك في اللقاء مع الممثل الدولي إلى سوريا الأخضر الإبراهيمي، الأحد عبر “سكايب”، لـ”العربية”، أن مهمة المبعوث الدولي ستفشل، مؤكداً أن ثورة سوريا ليست ثورة جياع، وأن الشعب السوري يقاتل من أجل حريته وكرامته.
وأعلن أن الإبراهيمي “أراد الاستماع من قادة المعارضة إلى الأوضاع على الأرض، ولم يكن لديه حلول يقدمها”.
وذكر العكيدي أيضاً أن “الموافقة على اللقاء تمت رغم اقتناع المعارضة بأن مهمته ستفشل مثل مهمة سابقه كوفي عنان”، مشيراً إلى أن لقاءات أخرى ستُعقد مع الإبراهيمي.
وشدد العكيدي على أن “مهمة الإبراهيمي ستخفق في ظل المؤامرة الدولية التي يتعرض لها الشعب السوري”، موضحا أنه “لا توجد حلول من جانب المجتمع الدولي، فكيف يأتي الحل من جانب شخص”.
وتابع أن “المجتمع الدولي يبدي استنكاره لما يحدث في سوريا على وسائل الإعلام، ولكنه يدعم النظام السوري من تحت الطاولة”.
وأفاد العكيدي أن “الإبراهيمي أراد أن يطلع منا على الأوضاع الإنسانية والمعيشية، ولكننا نؤمن أن ثورتنا ليست ثورة جياع، نحن نأكل التراب وورق الشجر ونجمع أشلاء قتلانا، ونقاتل من أجل حريتنا وكرامتنا، ونريد لهذا النظام المجرم، الذي يقذفنا بالقنابل، أن يسقط”.
وقال إن “الإبراهيمي وعد أن يرسل مندوبين عنه لتفقد المناطق المختلفة، وقد طلبنا منه أن يأتي بنفسه ليشاهد الدمار، ورد بأنه ربما يأتي لاحقا”.
Translation: there will not be a cease fire any time soon. Without a cease fire nothing will be achieved.

September 16th, 2012, 2:45 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

449. Dawoud

“Dear Mr. de Silentio, please don’t waste your time in any debates with Ann.”

I’m not wasting my time. I have a thing for Ann. She’s obviously lonely. Long ago, there was a man and it didn’t work out. And since then, the poor girl has led a life of quiet desperation. She needs a guy in her life to bring light and joy and hope to her otherwise blighted existence.

September 16th, 2012, 2:50 pm

 

Visitor said:

Who is Ahmad Ibn Hanbal?

He is the third recognized Imam of Jurisprudence of Islam and is one of three who are well recognized to be of Arab lineage. The fourth is Abu Hanifa who was Afghani and not even Persian. What a blessed country Afghanistan is to have produced him?

Ibn Hanbal:

هو أبو عبد الله أحمد بن محمد بن حنبل بن هلال بن أسد بن إدريس بن عبد الله بن حيان بن عبد الله بن أنس بن عوف بن قاسط بن مازن بن شيبان بن ذهل بن ثعلبة بن عكابة بن صعب بن علي بن بكر بن وائل بن قاسط بن هنب بن أفصى بن دعمي بن جديلة بن أسد بن ربيعة بن نزار بن معد بن عدنان، الشيباني البكري. أصله من البصرة.
نشأته

ولد الإمام أبي عبد الله أحمد بن محمد بن حنبل بن هلال الذهلي الشيباني في بغداد في شهر ربيع الأول سنة 164هـ / 780م وتنقل بين الحجاز واليمن ودمشق. سمع من كبار المحدثين ونال قسطاً وافراً من العلم والمعرفة، حتى قال فيه الإمام الشافعي: “خرجت من بغداد فما خلّفت بها رجلاً أفضل ولا أعلم ولا أفقَهَ من ابن حنبل”.
مذهبه

تميز فقهه أنه في العبادات لا يخرج عن الأثر قيد شعرة، فليس من المعقول عنده أن يعبد أحد ربه بالقياس أو بالرأي وكان رسول الله يقول: “صلوا كما رأيتموني أصلي”، ويقول في الحج: “خذوا عني مناسككم”. كان الإمام أحمد شديد الورع فيما يتعلق بالعبادات التي يعتبرها حق لله على عباده وهذا الحق لا يجوز مطلقاً أن يتساهل أو يتهاون فيه.

أما في المعاملات فيتميز فقهه بالسهولة والمرونة والصلاح لكل بيئة وعصر، فقد تمسَّك أحمد بنصوص الشرع التي غلب عليها التيسير لا التعسير. مثال ذلك أن الأصل في العقود عنده الإباحة ما لم يعارضها نص، بينما عند بعض الأئمة الأصل في العقود الحظر ما لم يرد على إباحتها نص.

وكان شديد الورع في الفتاوى وكان ينهى تلامذته أن يكتبوا عنه الأحاديث فإذا رأى أحداً يكتب عنه الفتاوى، نهاه وقال له: “لعلي أطلع فيما بعد على ما لم أطلع عليه من المعلوم فأغير فتواي فأين أجدك لأخبرك؟”.

توفي أحمد بن حنبل يوم الجمعة 12 ربيع الأول سنة 241هـ، وله من العمر سبع وسبعون سنة. وقد ذكر ابن كثير في البداية والنهاية أنه قد اجتمع الناس يوم جنازته حتى ملؤوا الشوارع. وحضر جنازته من الرجال مائة ألف ومن النساء ستين ألفاً، غير من كان في الطرق وعلى السطوح، وقد دفن أحمد بن حنبل في بغداد في جانب الكرخ قرب مدينة تسمى الكاظمية، قبره بين مقابر المسلمين وغير معروف سوى مكان المقبرة، وقيل أنه أسلم يوم مماته عشرون ألفاً من اليهود والنصارى والمجوس. وهذه الأعداد وإن كانت فيها المبالغة لكنها تدل على هول الحقيقة حينها.

September 16th, 2012, 3:05 pm

 

Visitor said:

As for J-a-b-l-e-h,

“J-a-b-l-e-h (Arabic: جبلة‎ Ǧ-a-b-la), also spelt J-e-b-l-e-h, J-a-b-a-l-a, J-a-b-l-a-h or G-a-b-a-l-a, is a coastal city on the Mediterranean in Syria. with c. 80,000 inhabitants.
As you can see, it was known by different names: J-a-b-l-e-h, J-a-b-a-l-a-h, J-a-b-l-a-h or G-a-b-a-l-a-h.

Therefore J-a-b-a-l-i is a recognized name for someone from J-a-b-l-e-h or J-a-b-a-l-a-h. Of course he could still be from the mountains. But the fact that the massacre of J-a-b-l-e-h of the 8th century AH is overlooked by the j-a-b-a-l-i/j-e-b-l-a-w-i is quite telling.

September 16th, 2012, 3:14 pm

 

Visitor said:

In my 475 I had to add dashes to bypass Joshua’s filter.

So, J-b-a-l-i/J-e-b-l-a-w-i
I suggest replace your dog or send him back to school.

September 16th, 2012, 3:18 pm

 

Observer said:

Majbali you are misinformed again.

I advocated the federation of Syria and the ME in general as the various components cannot live together and are being forced to live together by artificial borders created by the West specifically for the creation of instability.

Actions speak louder than words: well the Italians put the Libyans in concentration camps and they gas bombed Ethiopians and the Germans killed Gypsies and Slavic people with gusto and the Americans eliminated whole sections of the native population and they poured more bombs on Vietnam than all of the bombs thrown at Germany and the entire European theatre in the second world war. And the Dutch they actually exterminated whole island populations in Indonesia and the British cut the thumb of thousands of women to destroy their local garment sewing industry. Lest we forget they also fought two wars on China to force the opium trade and now the West is still running around dictating to others and the best example of it are the twin oppression of the Palestinian people and the zealous fight agains the independence of Iran and other countries.
So if action speaks louder than words I would say the West is inherently racist and dictatorial and oppressive and that its fight anywhere and everywhere and at all times is the order of the oppressed to do until the day of judgement.

Actions speak louder than words, the Christian militia in Lebanon killed the Muslim patients of the Psychiatric asylum and slaughtered Palestinians in Sabra with relish and the Alawi local committees today are doing the same.

So actions today tell me that there are deeply sectarian hatred and racist demonization of the Sunnis by some members of the minorities. Again as an atheist I do not have a bone in the religious fight but I abhor obfuscation and victimhood as a cover for this sectarian and racist demonization of the other. Mind you this is a generic term not intended to anyone in particular.

So, I have been satisfied that you have no intellectual weight to follow on your assertions and prejudices and premised convictions.

For the record, as you talk about the history of your family being oppressed over the ages, my family on both sides was oppressed by the Ottomans and the French and the Baath and the Alawi rule and the Western interventions and I have members martyred in 1916 Arab revolt, in the 1920 fight against colonial rule, in 1925 fight for independence, in 1948 against Israel, in 1967 and 73 again, and in the 1980’s when elderly cousins of mine were burned alive by the troops of Hafez simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and this after numerous exclusions from jobs and university admissions and travel and after confiscation of their properties on more than one occasion.

Now I can assure you without doubt that after all that I do not have one iota of hatred towards anyone except Zionism for it perpetrated the ultimate dehumanization of all by declaring their people as chosen and excluding the rest of humanity; it is that kind of ideology that is at the root of racism and tribalism. My hatred of this ideology does not mean that I hate Zionists to the point that I would allow an insect to harm them in the name of that hatred for in so doing I would lower myself to the same level of depraved ideology.

September 16th, 2012, 3:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I am not good at giving lectures,atheist,you probably should accept my posts as a display of opinions instead of a lecture. The regime is at the core of Syria’s problems, but now we have three problems: the regime thugs, the armed thugs and the GCC thugs, it is a triple cripple. I have denounced Assad and his thugs from day one but I am not ready to declare the rebels as Syria’s saviors, only a pleural secular government can keep Syria in one piece and preserve civil order,that requires a regime change but not the uprooting of every government worker or army -security officer in the name of ” cleaning” the country, a similar process led by the US in Iraq led to a national disaster that Iraq is still suffering from 9 years after Iraq’s invasion. Like it or not, destroying the Syrian army and arming the rebels will make a political solution impossible,the rebels strategy is leading to a civil war and the destruction of the state,this is why well to do Allepines are opposed to the rebels and some even took arms to fight them. We all accepted the fact that freedom comes with a price, but I do not see how the destruction of Syrian cities will bring freedom, saying that the destruction is the sole responsibility of the regime can only fool people who do not know much about Syria, the rebels by attacking regime forces and using violence have made it easier for the regime to use excessive force and fire power, it does make a difference if people see this as a civil war versus an assault of one evil force,the regime, on unarmed freedom-seeking population, what the rebels did is convert the uprising to a military conflict with an obvious sectarian tilt, the result is losing political support and the moral argument,that loss is irreversible.

September 16th, 2012, 3:50 pm

 

mjabali said:

Visitor:

Ahmad Ibn Hanbal biography is FAKE: here is my 2 cents:

1- Ahmad Ibn Hanbal was born in Maru and not in Baghdad as you claimed. He is referred to as al-Marwi, i.e: the one from Maru. Most likely his father is one of the soldiers brought by the Khalifa at that moment. This explains why Ibn Hanbal rose in the clergy. Wasta. واسطة

2- In Umm al-Qura University’s bio of Ibn Hanbal we see the following:

http://uqu.edu.sa/page/ar/13420

و الامام حقا، وشيخ الاسلام صدقا، أبو عبد الله، أحمد بن محمد بن حنبل بن هلال بن أسد بن إدريس بن عبد الله بن حيان بن عبد الله ابن أنس بن عوف بن قاسط بن مازن بن شيبان بن ذهل بن ثعلبة بن عكابة بن صعب بن علي بن بكر بن وائل الذهلي الشيباني المروزي ثم البغدادي، أحد الائمة الاعلام.

وكان محمد والد أبي عبد الله من أجناد مرو، مات شابا له نحو من ثلاثين سنة.وربي أحمد يتيما، وقيل: إن أمه تحولت من مرو، وهي حامل به.فقال صالح، قال لي أبي: ولدت في ربيع الاول سنة أربع وستين ومئة.قال صالح: جئ بأبي حمل من مرو، فمات أبوه شابا، فوليته أمه.

If we read between the lines we could tell that Ibn Hanbal’s background is suspicious and not as what they tell us.

3- in your response you said that Ahmad Ibn Hanbal is:
هو أبو عبد الله أحمد بن محمد بن حنبل بن هلال بن أسد بن إدريس بن عبد الله بن حيان بن عبد الله بن أنس بن عوف بن قاسط بن مازن بن شيبان بن ذهل بن ثعلبة بن عكابة بن صعب بن علي بن بكر بن وائل بن قاسط بن هنب بن أفصى بن دعمي بن جديلة بن أسد بن ربيعة بن نزار بن معد بن عدنان، الشيباني البكري.

Really dude: who is Ahmad Ibn Hanbal so people would know his grandfather number 30?

It makes no sense. If we say that each one of those guys lived 40 years, we can see that whoever came up with this genealogy was interested in the family of Ahmad Ibn Hanbal way before the time of Christ.

That is 30×40= 1200 years. Are you kidding me: People know the genealogy of the Ibn Hanbal Family for 1200 years. This makes no sense whatsoever. Your history is fake mr. Observer and I advise you to register with some classes with my dog.

September 16th, 2012, 4:13 pm

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

History tells us of violence over and over. It is no surprise to me that your family went through the violent actions of others. This is the story of most of the people in the Middle East. We deserve peace after all of these violent times.

There is no competition: who did cause more violence and destruction? The competition should be centered on how to stop this violence now and how could the people in the Middle East live in peace.

Also it is not a competition to see who killed more.

Please again refrain from personal insults. If I have an intellectual weight or not is not at the heart of this discussion. Again you stray to take a jab at me. Take is easy.

Modern Law should put an end to all of this. Separation or any type of autonomy may be and may be not the solution. Even if Syria separates all should follow a law that would stop them from killing each other again. Why is it hard to make people understand this?

Modern Law and Freedom of Speech guarantee some sort of a space where people could live together.

September 16th, 2012, 4:34 pm

 

Visitor said:

Jeblawi is clearly one of the شعوبيين based on 479.

Any one who does not understand the importance Arabs placed on genealogy since they became known in history is ignorant and unworthy of any attention.

Go back to your dog.

أهمية علم الأنساب عند العرب

إن علم الأنساب هو فرع من فروع علم التاريخ ومسؤوليته تقع على عاتقِ علماء
النسب ، للدفاع عن العروبة وأصالتها ، لذا فانه يعد من الموضوعات المهمة في الفكر العربي ، كما انه من أهم أصناف الكتابة التاريخية العربية ، حيث كان عربيا في أصالته ونشأته ، وله دور مهم في تدوين تاريخ العرب من خلال التأكيد على أنسابهم وارتباطاتهم النسبية ، وفق منهجية علمية رائعة أوجدها علماء النسب العرب.
لقد تمسك العرب بالأنساب قبل الإسلام ، ولما جاء الإسلام رسخ هذه العقيدة العربية ، وهي بحد ذاتها علما واسعا عند العرب وكأنهم رأوا في الحفاظ على النسب مثل ما نراه نحن اليوم في مفهوم الوطنية ، لذلك عبروا عن النسب ب(أللُحمَةِ) ، كما عبروا عن العشائر والفروع بالبطن والفخذ والفندة ، فقد حفظوا الأنساب وتتبعوا جذورها إلى ما قبل الإسلام ، وكانوا يتناقلونها روايةً ، واشتهر العديد منهم في هذا الفن العربي الأصيل ، وابتدأ تدوين الأنساب في العهد الراشدي ، فإن ديوان الجند الذي أمر به الخليفة عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه ، قد دون على أساس قبلي حيث بدأ ببني هاشم من قريش ، ثم الأقرب فالأقرب ، ثم بقية القبائل ، ولولا علمهم بالنسب لما أمكنهم من ذلك.
لقد اهتم المدونون للأحاديث النبوية الشريفة بعلم الأنساب ، لأنهم كانوا يعرفون رواة الحديث وأنسابهم ، وان الاهتمام بالنسب لا يتعارض مع مفهوم العقيدة الإسلامية ، حيث هنالك آيات قرانيه عديدة تؤكد على النسب منها (يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ وَأُنْثَى وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوباً وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ) (الحجرات:13)
( وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنْ بَعْدُ وَهَاجَرُوا وَجَاهَدُوا مَعَكُمْ فَأُولَئِكَ مِنْكُمْ وَأُولُوا الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَى بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ) (لأنفال:75) .
( النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ وَأُولُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَى بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَنْ تَفْعَلُوا إِلَى أَوْلِيَائِكُمْ مَعْرُوفاً كَانَ ذَلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُوراً) (الأحزاب:6)
( ُوهوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ مِنَ الْمَاءِ بَشَراً فَجَعَلَهُ نَسَباً وَصِهْراً وَكَانَ رَبُّكَ قَدِيراً) (الفرقان:54)
(ا دْعُوهُمْ لِآبَائِهِمْ هُوَ أَقْسَطُ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ لَمْ تَعْلَمُوا آبَاءَهُمْ فَإِخْوَانُكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَمَوَالِيكُمْ وَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ فِيمَا أَخْطَأْتُمْ بِهِ وَلَكِنْ مَا تَعَمَّدَتْ قُلُوبُكُمْ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُوراً رَحِيماً) (الأحزاب:5) .
وقد جاء في الحديث الشريف لسيدنا محمد عليه أفضل الصلاة والسلام،( ومن ادعى أبا في السلام غير أبيه وهو يعلم انه غير أبيه فالجنة عليه حرام[1]، تعلموا من أنسابكم ما تصلون به أرحامكم فان صلة الرحم محبة في الأهل مثراة في المال منسأة في الأجل مرضاة للرب[2]، وقوله عليه الصلاة والسلام ليس رجل ادعى إلى غير أبيه وهو يعلمه إلا كفر بالله ومن ادعى قوما ليس له فيهم نسب فليتبؤ مقعده من النار[3]، كفر بالله تبرؤ من نسب وان دق ، و كفر بالله ادعاء إلى نسب لا يعرف)[4] ، فتعلم الأنساب قد بنيت عليه أمور وإحكام شرعيه كالتوارث والوصية والوقف والنفقات والعقيقة والأضاحي والقصاص والشهادة والدية وأمور أخرى ، كما أن معرفة النسب يؤدي إلى الاقتراب بين القريب والبعيد في السكن .
إن الرسول محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم كان في طليعة المهتمين بالنسب حيث قال ( أنا محمد بن عبد الله بن عبد المطلب حتى بلغ النظر بن كنانه) ، وقال عليه الصلاة والسلام (خص الله هذه الأمة بثلاثة أشياء لم يعطها من قبلها وهي ( الأسناد والأنساب والأعراب ) وقال الإمام علي رضي الله عنه ( لقد فُتِحت لي السبل والبلايا والأنساب وفصل الخطاب) .
كان الناس في صدر الأسلام يتعلمون الأنساب كما يتعلمون الفقه ، وكانوا اذا قصدوا سعيد بن المسيب للتفقه في الدين قصدوا عبدالله بن ثعلبه ليأخذوا عنه النسب.
فلما اساء كسرى للعرب أمام النعمان بن المنذر رد عليه قائلاً( أما أنسابها واحسابها فليس امة من الأمم إلا وقد جهلت آبائها وأصولها ، وليس أحدُ من العرب إلا ويسمي آبائه أباً أباً ، أحاطوا بذلك احسابهم وحفظوا أنسابهم ، فلا يدخل رجل في غير قومه، ولا ينتسب إلى غير نسبه ولا يدعي لغير أبيه)
ومن الاتحادات التي كانت تجمعهم اتحادات الأحلاف وكان لها دور كبير في تكوين القبائل ويمكن أن يجري انفصال عشيرة من الحلف لتنظم إلى عشيرة أخرى في حلف آخر، وجاءت تسمية الحلف من (القَسم باليمين)، ومن أشهر الأحلاف حلف الفضول الذي جرى بمكة ، حيث تحالفت قبائل من قريش لنصرة المظلوم وردع الظالم ، ويكون لكل عشائر متحالفة شيخا يرأس مجلسا يظم شيوخ العشائر، وتعقد الجلسات للنظر في شؤون العشيرة او القبيلة ، ويستمعون فيه إلى الخطب والشعر ويتناقشون ويتحاورون ، وغالبا ما يتقدم شيوخ العشيرة او القبيلة شيخاً كبيراً مؤمناً عارفاً ملماً حذقاً مجرباً ، لا يتعالى على أبناء قبيلته ، لايفرق بين هذا وذاك ، وهو الذي يقود العشيرة في المِحن والخطوب ، وينبغي أن لا يفهم أن للشيخ سيادة واسعة، فسيادته رمزية وإذا بغى على قومه يكون جزاءه جزاء (كُليب) ألتغلبي ، حين بغى وطغى على أحلافه من بكر فقتلوه ، مما كان سببا في حرب البسوس ، وفي عصرنا هذا يجب ان يكون مثالا يقتدى به في حب الوطن والأمة ، وان يكون مثقفا وعلميا وشجاعا اضافةً إلى ما ذكرناه أعلاه

September 16th, 2012, 4:36 pm

 

Citizen said:

today in troubled waters HMS Diamond (D34)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond_(D34)
nice boat! it can derail with High tech facilities

September 16th, 2012, 4:36 pm

 

mjabali said:

Visitor:

Before I forget: the person from Jableh is called Jeblawi and the person from the mountain is called Jabali.

No matter how you try to spin it you can not change this. Ask anyone from the coast and they would tell you.

شو هالتخريف يازلمة طلعتو بتعرفو تاريخ ابن حنبل من ألف سنة …شو علم الانساب والتخريف هذا..روح العب غيرها

September 16th, 2012, 4:37 pm

 

Citizen said:

Turkish Airline Flying Al-Qaeda from Pakistan to Syrian Borders
TEHRAN (FNA)- Turkey’s national air carrier, Turkish Air, has been transiting Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants from North Waziristan in Pakistan to the Turkish borders with Syria, sources revealed on Saturday, mentioning that the last group were flown to Hatay on a Turkish Air Airbus flight No. 709 on September 10, 2012.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106240242
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Largest Shipload of Libyan Weapons Heading to Armed Groups in Syria
http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/09/15/largest-shipload-of-libyan-weapons-heading-to-armed-groups-in-syria/
LONDON, (SANA)- The British newspaper The Times revealed that the largest shipment of weapons has arrived in Turkey to be delivered to the armed groups in Syria.

“A Libyan ship carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria…has docked in Turkey,” said The Times in an article published on Friday.

The article´s writer, Sheera Frenkel, said most of the Libyan ship´s cargo is making its way to the armed terrorist groups inside Syria.

Quoting a member of the so-called `Free Syrian Army´, who called himself Abu Mohammad, the article said that the over 400 ton cargo included ´SAM-7 surface-to air anti aircraft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades (RPG`s)´

Abu Mohammad, who told The Times that he “helped to move the shipment from warehouse to border” said “this is the largest single delivery of assistance” the gunmen have so far received.

The article said the Libyan ship, which is called ´The Intisaar´(victory), is berthed at the Turkish port of Iskenderun and had been given “papers stamped by the port authority by the ship´s captain, Omar Mousaeeb.”

The article pointed out hat Mousaeeb is “a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan Council for Relief and Support,” which is delivering supplies to the armed groups in Syria………
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US arms sales spike to record levels, Gulf leading buyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW4CvAorvf0
The world may be terrified of a potential war with Iran, but for arms producers – tensions fear is good business. So it is for the Unites States. According to a recent Congressional Research Service report, within just one year the US has tripled its arms sales and half of what US sold last year went to Gulf states.

September 16th, 2012, 4:56 pm

 

Citizen said:

Syria says Turkey let al-Qaeda over the border
http://rt.com/news/line/2012-09-16/#id37377
Syria has accused Turkey of allowing thousands of Muslim extremists to cross the border into the country. In a letter sent to UN Security Council and Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Syria’s Foreign Ministry said Turkey let “thousands of al-Qaeda, Takfiri and Wahhabi terrorists” enter Syrian territory to “kill innocent Syrians, blow up their properties and spread chaos and destruction.”

September 16th, 2012, 5:15 pm

 

Tara said:

Antoine @457

“This is a revolution of small people like me, the small man in the street, and you are a guest in this revolution. ”

I am small people too. I am not a guest. I am the real thing.

September 16th, 2012, 5:19 pm

 

Visitor said:

Jeblawi does not know that I am from the coast.

And that I know my grandfather up to the 16th generation.

And he needs a lesson in math as the numbers wouldn’t add up as he miscalculated. Since we all know up to the third or even fouth generation would exist within the same lifespan. Apparently his dog is not doing a good job.

However, the issue goesmuch deeper than knowing your nth grandfather. The claim often put forth by the the khomeinist followers that history has been falsified is meant to serve a certain agenda. Talk to any Khomeinist and the claim would immediately pop up. Why is that?

Islamic history as we all know it goes against the very basis of khomeinist ideology and agenda to rule the Muslim world. For Khomeini, history somehow went wrong and doesn’t suit the narrative that must prevail in order to achieve his dream of domination of Muslims. How and when did history went wrong according to Khomeini?

1) Abu Bakr became the first Caliph.
2) Omar became the second.
3) Othman became the third.
4) Ali became the third and was not even able to rule.
5) Muawiya turned out to be the shrewdest of all.
6) Islamic conquests were achieved by the first three Caliphs and
Umayyad were at the forefront of these conquests.
7) Al-Hussein was betrayed by his own Shia who called upon him to come to Iraq and later on abandoned him.
9) The first attempt to rule the Muslims by heretic Shiite (the Fatimid) turned into a disaster. The Egyptians uprooted the Fatimid Shuoubiyyeen and exiled them out of Egypt for ever and ever and ended up refugees in the Lebanon mountains as esoteric Druze.

And the story goes on and on. Briefly there is nothing in this history that a Khomeini follower would feel proud of and therefore it has to be denied and falsified in whatever means available to achieve the ultimate objective of the so-called ayatollah.

But I will show these misguided dreamers another easy way to overcome these shortcomings that are causing them so much pain and feelings of inferiority. Where is your Absent Imam? Why doesn’t he come to your rescue? Why does he need a Bab to speak on his behalf? Are you afraid that if you produce him he will turn out to be the Dajjal?

They know that and therefore he has to remain absent.

September 16th, 2012, 5:24 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Has anyone mentioned the conference of “internal” anti-violence opposition forces called for by Haytham Manna on 23/9 in Damascus, apparently with guarantees and joint participation by Russia, Iran and China?
http://www.facebook.com/Syria.National.Coordinating
then there is the very important interview with Dr Manna by Ghassan bin Jiddo on Mayadeen tv.

نص لقاء الدكتور هيثم مناع مع غسان بن جدو على الميادين

http://syrianncb.org/2012/09/13/%D9%86%D8%B5-%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%AB%D9%85-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D8%BA%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%86-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%88/

Or you can go to HM’s youtube channel and watch the interview there, among many others, all in Arabic:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Mannahaytham?feature=watch

September 16th, 2012, 6:59 pm

 

Darryl said:

Observer,

You said:

“there is no way that a Martin Luther can come forth and offer a critique of the Quran or its current Salafist interpretation without being accused of blasphemy and threatened with death. Therefore, non Muslims are doing this and unfortunately they get tainted as Islamophobes.”

A very powerful statement Mr Observer and you should be commended for making such a statement. Islam is where it is now because there is not enough people to speak and are willing to sacrifice themselves like Martin Luther and the many people in the west who died so that we have freedom of speech, dignity and liberty.

Muslims are only trained to sacrifice themselves for the sake of Allah, but not to the pursuit of Liberty and Dignity.

The First revolution in the Middle East should have been against religion that breeds dictators.

September 16th, 2012, 7:01 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Will Mjabali and visitor PLEASE cease their futile and totally irrelevant sectarian arguments PLEASE!

Here is the beginning of the interview with HM mentioned above:

– من المقرر أن تستضيف دمشق مؤتمراً للمعارضة السوري، فهل تؤكد لنا إن كان هذا المؤتمر المزمع عقده قد تم تأجيله ولماذا؟

تم تأجيله إلى 23 أيلول/سبتمبر والسبب هو التحضيرات الإدارية واللوجستية والضمانات التي أتتنا ووصلتنا ونقلت إلينا من القيادة الروسية بالأمس وأول أمس. هذه الضمانات كاملة وبالإمكان عقد مؤتمر للمعارضة السورية بكل أطيافها؛ المعارضة الديمقراطية المدافعة عن دولة مدنية ستجتمع في دمشق وهناك 23 حزب وتنظيم سياسي غير الشخصيات الاعتبارية؛ الدينية والمدنية إضافة إلى العديد من منظمات حقوق الإنسان أو من يمثلها والشخصيات المستقلة السياسية.
نتمنى أن يكون هذا المؤتمر نقطة انعطاف حقيقية في عودة الوعي وتصليح المسار؛ العودة إلى دمشق المكان الطبيعي للتغيير فالثورة انطلقت من درعا لم تنطلق لا من اسطنبول ولا من باريس وعليها أن تعود إلى درعا ودمشق وحمص وحلب وبالتالي المكان الطبيعي لأي مؤتمر يناقش التغيير في سورية هو دمشق ونتمنى أن تكون الظروف متاحة لأن يحقق ما يريده المشاركين فيه.

– عندما تتحدث عن الضمانات التي قدمت لكم من قبل روسيا، هل هي ضمانات أمنية، سياسية، شخصية؟ وهل حصلت روسيا على ضمانات جدية من قلب دمشق سواء كانت من السلطة أو من الجيش أو من أي كان على أن يعقد هذا المؤتمر في كنف الحرية والديمقراطية ولا أحد يتدخل وبالتالي أنتم تستطيعون أن تقرروا ما تشاؤونه هناك؟

الضمانات التي جرت تذكرني بجملة للمرحوم جورج حاوي عندما سئل عن اغتيال الشهيد كمال جنبلاط، قال: “رُفِع الغطاء عنه” إذا لم يرفع الغطاء عن المعارضين الديمقراطيين الوطنيين وكانت حمايتهم مسألة أساسية بالنسبة لدولة عظمى وأكثر من ذلك حتى بالنسبة للصين التي سنزورها في الأسبوع القادم ثمة موقف مشابه فأظن أنه بالإمكان للمعارضة السورية اليوم أن تعبر عما تريد وبكل حرية مهما كانت الاعتراضات والاحتجاجات. أنا سمعت من أكثر من مسؤول في الحكومة السورية وبشكل أساسي وزير المصالحة الوطنية بأنه ليس فقط حق أن يعقد هذا المؤتمر وإنما واجب أن تتم حمايته. نحن نعتقد بأن هذا على الأقل موقف من قسم أساسي في السلطة هو الحكومة السورية الحالية وهذا بالنسبة لنا يؤيد الضمانات التي حصلنا عليه من أطراف أخرى.

– هل المؤتمر هو لمعارضين فقط بمعنى هل كل المشاركين سيكونون من خارج السلطة أم ممكن أن يكون هناك معارضين ممن انضموا أخيراً إلى الحكومة ومن ضمنهم الوزير الذي تتحدث عنه؟

نحن نعتقد بأنه من المهم جداً أن يكون هناك فرز ما بين الحكومي وغير الحكومي في هذا المؤتمر حتى يكون بالامكان الحديث عن تجمع لأكبر قطب ممكن داخل البلاد يمكن تسميته نواة صلبة لقطب ديمقراطي مدني وطني نحن في امس الحاجة إليه غير مغلق ولكن المعلم الأساسي فيه أنه قطب معارض غير مندمج في أي من أجهزة السلطة اليوم وبالتالي عندها ننتقل إلى الخطوة الثانية وهي التفاوض وفق اتفاق القاهرة ووفق اتفاقيات متعددة بيننا وبين أطياف المعارضة حتى في الخارج على التفاوض من أجل الانتقال الديمقراطي مع كل من لم تتلوث يده بالدم أو الفساد وهذا يشمل كوادر كثيرة في الدولة.
لا يمكن الغاء هذه الدولة السورية وكأنها غير موجودة. لا بد من أن يكون هناك تفاوض مع من خدم الدولة السورية وأخلص للدولة وبين المعارضة الوطنية المدنية الديمقراطية من أجل ان نرسم معالم سورية الغد، والانتقال إلى دولة مؤسسات، دولة مواطنة ودولة ديمقراطية في البلاد.

read more:

http://syrianncb.org/2012/09/13/%D9%86%D8%B5-%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%AB%D9%85-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B9-%D9%85%D8%B9-%D8%BA%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%86-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%88/

September 16th, 2012, 7:10 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Robert Fisk: Al-Qa’ida cashes in as the scorpion gets in among the good guys

Monday 17 September 2012

A Damascus friend of mine called this weekend and was pretty chipper. “You know, we’re all sorry about Christopher Stevens. This kind of thing is terrible and he was a good friend to Syria – he understood the Arabs.” I let him get away with this, though I knew what was coming. “But we have an expression in Syria: ‘If you feed a scorpion, it will bite you’.” His message couldn’t have been clearer.

Read more:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-alqaida-cashes-in-as-the-scorpion-gets-in-among-the-good-guys-8143267.html

September 16th, 2012, 7:15 pm

 

Darryl said:

Mr Visitor,

I spent my weekend touring wineries and I was thinking of you especially I caught a fight between you and another poster here about alcohol and eating pork.

As I have told you before, every time I open a bottle of wine, I toast my ancestors who paid the Jizya whilst being belittled (Q 9:29) to keep me FREE. However, while enjoying myself, it occurred to me that I wanted to ask you about wine.

The Qur’an in 5:90 said that alcohol is made by the devil, yet in 47:15, there is a river of wine and in 52:23 the faithful are toasting wine drinking whilst young boys are doing the rounds and serving it (poor Tara will miss all of this).

Visitor, who is going to make the wine for Allah in your heaven? Are you sure you will be in heaven or some where else perhaps?

I had this thought that maybe Allah will contract out the devil and his wine making facility to keep the wine flowing, like boutique wineries do perhaps when they get the best wine make in the region to make their wine.

Mjabali, if Visitor can’t answer, can you kindly ask your dog as he has become very popular? BTW, people keep referring to your dog as “your dog”. Surely he has a name why don’t you tell us what it is as he has more rights and dignity than humans in the middle east.

September 16th, 2012, 7:23 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Michel Kilo addressing the Pope: (and I post this here since there seems to be a current in the discussion on SC that is determined to thrust religion into the issue, our issue, at hand, which is the revolution). Sorry, the article is in Arabic, again!
ميشيل كيلو يقول للبابا : مد يدك، باسم الله الرحمن الرحيم!
EXCERPT

“فلا بد من أن تتوجهوا إليهم بكلمات لا لبس فيها، تعيدهم إلى صوابهم، وتذكرهم أنه ليس هناك ولن يكون هناك حرب مسيحية إسلامية، وان على المسيحية ان لا تدعم اية حرب ضد اي كان، وخاصة منها الحرب التي يشنها النظام السوري ضد شعبه باسم مكافحة إرهاب لطالما رعاه واحتضنه ودرب عناصره وتحالف مع قواه واستخدمها داخل سوريا وعلى مستوى المنطقة العربية والاسلامية، أو بأي اسم آخر، ما دام «قتل النفس التي حرم الله»، بتعبير القرآن الكريم، جريمة لا غفران لها، ولان طائرات النظام السوري لا تقتل اعداء المسيح، بل تقصف مدنا وقرى آمنة يستحيل أن تميز بين الإرهابي والأعزل من أطفالها ونسائها وشيوخها وشبابها، وتقتل على الأرجح المئات من العزل والإبرياء مقابل كل مسلح ممن أرغمهم العنف الرسمي الأعمى والمتواصل على حمل السلاح دفاعا عن أنفسهم.
لا يخوض النظام السوري معركة الدفاع عن المسيحية، كي يحظى بتعاطف كنائس وكهنة مسيحيين، بل يقاتل دفاعا عن استبداده وامتيازاته وقدرته على امتهان كرامة الإنسان، متذرعا بعلمانية، هي في حقيقتها دين سلطة، يرغمك على عبادة قادته ورموزه، باعتبارهم آلهة سياسيين تفرضهم الشمولية، كألهة تعبد على رعاياهم، الذين لا يجوز أن يشركوا بهم معهم، بما في ذلك الرحمن الرحيم، وإلا كانت الدبابات والمدافع والطائرات لهم بالمرصاد، وتعرضوا لعنف يحصد أرواحهم كل يوم، دون أن يترك مترا مربعا واحدا خارج قبضته في طول سوريا وعرضها.
ولا يخوض النظام معركة الدفاع عن المسيحيين، الذين لا يهددهم أي خطر اعظم من حماقة بعض كنائسهم وكهنتهم، التي وصلت إلى حد جعلهم يباركون قتل الأطفال والنساء والشيوخ وينظمون حفلات راقصة احتفالا به، ويرون فيه حربا إنقاذية على الإرهاب والتطرف، كأن العنف الرسمي المفتوح ليس إرهابا وليس تطرفا، أو كأن انتصار النظام يبرر قبول التضحية بإنسان واحد على يد نظام رفض ما قدم إليه من حلول سياسية كثيرة، واختار طريق العنف والإبادة الجماعية، فأيدته كنيسة تدعي انتماءها إلى يسوع الناصري، عدو العنف الأكبر في التاريخ الإنساني، وابن السلام الذي لقب نفسه مرات كثيرة ابن الشعب وابن الله : الرحمن الرحيم.
أعد يا سيدي، الكنيسة إلى رشدها، وذكرها بأن ما أبقى على المسيحية في المشرق بعد حروب الفرنجة، كان وقوف المسيحيين إلى جانب الحق، ومع ابناء عمومتهم ضد من أرادوا قهرهم، وأن كنيستهم تبدد اليوم رصيدهم التاريخي، وتضعهم أمام مجاهيل من المؤكد أنها ستكون شديدة الخطورة عليهم، إن هم انحازوا إلى نظم زائلة لا تعرف كيف تبقى في الحكم دون مدافع وطائرات ودبابات تدمر مدن وقرى بلادها المطالبة بالحرية والديموقراطية، وبتلك القيم التي صنعت تاريخ العالم الحديث، دون أن تقيم قطيعة بين الدين والإنسان، وبين الكنيسة وبينه.
إن المسيحية المشرقية في خطر عظيم، يا صاحب القداسة، ليس لأنها مهددة بالأصولية الإسلامية، بل لأنها تدار بيد أصولية مسيحية وعقليتها، يمارسها ويتبناها أحبار يقودون بعضها، تضع سياساتهم ومواقفهم اللإنسانية واللاخلاقية السكين على عنق يسوع الناصري، لأنها تضعها لأول مرة في التاريخ ضد أبناء عمومتها المظلومين، الذي لا ذنب لهم غير أنهم يحاولون إنقاذ أنفسهم من موت بطيء، مستعينين بالحرية، التي يعتبر فيلسوف من وزن هيغل أن المسيحية هي التي أدخلتها إلى التاريخ، وأنها إنجازها الأعظم والأبقى .

* the emphasis is mine

more:
http://syrianncb.org/2012/09/16/%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B4%D9%8A%D9%84-%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%88-%D9%8A%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84-%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%AF-%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%83%D8%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84/

September 16th, 2012, 7:36 pm

 

Visitor said:

492 Darryl,

This time I will answer you because you have shown some willingness to learn. So I will oblige.

Since you seem to have read the Qura’n, you must know by now how Allah created Adam and Jesus who you falsely claim to be your god. You are also able to navigate the Qura’n, so look up verse 59 of chapter 3.

You should be able to learn immediately on your own that Allah does not need anyone to create things. He can utter a two letter word and the thing will come to existence.

Easy! you see??

That is exactly how He created Adam and then His Human Slave/Prophet Jesus.

———————-
A.S.S.A.D 490

None of your business. **** Off

September 16th, 2012, 7:46 pm

 

Darryl said:

494. VISITOR said:

“492 Darryl,

This time I will answer you because you have shown some willingness to learn. So I will oblige.”

Dear Visitor, you did not oblige as I was asking about wine and alcohol. However, I will answer you in the following way:

My dear Visitor, you recite Al-FatiHa 5 times a day. Al-FatiHA says:

“Ihdina al-SuraT al MustaQeem”

You have been asking Allah for this, for 1400 years. If you are on the right path as you claim, surely Allah would have told you to say:

“Hadaituna al-SuraT al MustaQeem” from the first day.

Also, when you invoke the the Messenger’s name, you say “Salla Allahu Alayhe wassalam”

Allah is praying on the Messenger?, who is more important and who is receiving Allah’s prayer to complete the loop? Is this not sherk?

If you answer, we can go to the more difficult Qur’anic text.

September 16th, 2012, 8:09 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian rebels: Brahimi mission to fail

Published September 16th, 2012 – 14:52 GMT
http://www.albawaba.com/news/syrian-rebels-brahimi-mission-fail-442335

The mission of international envoy Lakhdar Brahimi in Syria is doomed to fail, said Sunday a rebel leader, but stressed that the insurgents would not be responsible. “We are confident that Brahimi will fail like the other envoys before him, but we will not be held responsible for this failure,” said Colonel Abdel Jabbar al-Oqaidi, head of the rebel military council in Aleppo, northern Syria.

“We believe it will fail because the international community does not really help the Syrian people,” he said, referring to international divisions that prevent tougher sanctions on the regime in Damascus.

September 16th, 2012, 8:17 pm

 

Visitor said:

495 Darryl,

When a Muslim asks Allah for anything, the Muslim is always certain that his request will be granted according to the verse,
واذا سالك عبادي عني فاني قريب أجيب دعوة الداع اذا دعان
The Muslim is required to work for his guidance and this work is represented by asking Allah for every thing he needs in life including guidance which no one should take for granted. This tiny amount of work will make the Muslim to feel always in the Presence of Allah no matter where he is.

As for the Prophet (pbuh), He is the best of the creation and is equivalent or even higher than Ibrahim (pbuh) which we call خليل الله
والخليل من يتخلل الشئ اي يمتزج به
Therefore the blessings that Allah ordered for His Beloved Prophet is based on this Divine Love which we are supposed to recognize by invoking those blessings. And by the way we also invoke those blessings on all the Prophet including Jesus (pbuh).

Muhammad (pbuh) هو حبيب الله اضافة الى كونه خليله أيضاً كإبراهيم.

September 16th, 2012, 8:25 pm

 

zoo said:

Google refuses US request to take down video

Published Sunday, September 16, 2012

https://english.al-akhbar.com/content/google-refuses-us-request-block-video

Google is refusing a White House request to take down an anti-Muslim clip on YouTube, but is restricting access to it in certain countries.

The White House said Friday that it had asked YouTube to review whether the video violated its terms of use. Google owns YouTube, the online video sharing site.

YouTube said in a statement Friday that the video is widely available on the Web and is “clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube.”

September 16th, 2012, 8:31 pm

 

Roland said:

It is very naive to think that the Saudis and the Americans would be supporting a revolution for the sake of the Syrian working class.

The Americans are not your fellow travellers. Those who cooperate with their power-political aims are merely so much baggage in their hands.

They got a worldwide empire to run, and many other concerns. When they’re done with you, they’ll drop you, or sell you, or bomb you if they feel like showing off.

Anyone who wants to advance the cause of the working class in Syria, must first insist on the sovereignty, indepedence, and integrity of Syria. But the sovereignty of Syria is exactly what the Americans want to weaken and undermine, because of their ceaseless and limitless global project of market integration.

September 16th, 2012, 8:33 pm

 

zoo said:

CIA were too busy in Syria to prevent the murder of the US ambassador in Libya.

U.S. Scrambles to Rush Spies, Drones to Libya
By Associated Press | September 15, 2012
Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/09/15/u-s-scrambles-to-rush-spies-drones-to-libya/#ixzz26gP8RtHq
….
With ongoing counterterrorism operations in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen, as well as the civil war in Syria, the CIA’s clandestine and paramilitary officer corps is simply running out of trained officers to send, U.S. officials say, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the deployment of intelligence personnel publicly. The clandestine service is roughly 5,000 officers strong, and the paramilitary corps sent to war zones is only in the hundreds, the officials said.

Most of the CIA’s clandestine and paramilitary team that had worked with Libyan rebels to bring about the fall of Gadhafi is now arrayed at the Syrian border, working with rebels there to try to hasten the fall of Syrian president Bashar Assad, the officials said.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/09/15/u-s-scrambles-to-rush-spies-drones-to-libya/#ixzz26gOsL3fr

September 16th, 2012, 8:38 pm

 

zoo said:

Finally a good news from Bibi

PM warns: Iran on brink of nuke bomb in 6-7 months
By REUTERS
09/16/2012 16:36
Netanyahu takes case against Iran to US public, says by mid-2013 Tehran will have 90% of required enriched uranium for a nuke.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=285287

September 16th, 2012, 8:42 pm

 

ghufran said:

قتل ما لا يقل عن 12 شخصا بينهم ثمانية من أفراد الشرطة جراء هجومين بالمتفجرات استهدفا قوات الشرطة والجيش أمس السبت وصباح اليوم بجنوب شرق تركيا، رجحت وسائل إعلام تركية أن يكون مسلحو حزب العمال الكردستاني وراءهما.
ووفقا لما أعلنته هذه الوسائل فإن ثمانية أفراد من الشرطة لقوا حتفهم في الصباح بإقليم بينجول عندما تم تفجير لغم عن بعد بالقرب من قافلة للشرطة.
وقال مسؤولو أمن تركي إن الهجوم أسفر أيضا عن إصابة تسعة من رجال الشرطة.
كما لقي أربعة جنود من الجيش حتفهم أمس في هجوم مشابه وقع بمحافظة هكاري

September 16th, 2012, 8:52 pm

 

Observer said:

Majbali

No insult intended I just do not think that you are up to the task. It is similar to my assessment of trainees as being incapable of performing certain tasks without further education.

I have nothing personal against you or against anyone.

ZOO

Today the Christian Science Monitor had a piece about the news coming from Israel about Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, at Informed Comment Juan Cole actually summarizes the history of Bibi and Peres telling the world of the imminence of the Iranian Bomb since ………………….. GUESS: 1992. Yes Bibi has been harping about the iranian bomb since 92 He is of the same caliber as that stooge that calls himself Prethident Freddo Corleone.

Now to this statement

” Striving minorities must be and will remain intolerant to others to a degree: it is their natural right in order to ensure their survival, just look at the history of Jews wherever they settled.”

I am not sure about this incredible statement, for I do not see Mormons hating the others, or the Amish hating the others or the Mennonites hating the others or the African Americans being defined by their hatred of the white man.

I think this thinking is at the root cause of many ills and misunderstandings.

Live your minority religion life fo the fullest and enjoy full citizenship that is above and beyond any ethnic sectarian religious or ideological peculiarity you may have; and if you and the others and the majority cannot accept this supra national identity then create a federation at worst or separate at best and create your own state with your own definition of citizenship.

As for describing the Copts as being inherently anti Muslim or anti Arab I find such statement so demeaning to the eternal and most sublime message that any God could have sent his creation in the Love that Jesus Christ advocated. Even though I am an atheist I do recognize that his message is the ultimate most sublime of God’s messages to humankind ( assuming he exists and for the sake of this debate I will not try to introduce another topic regarding his existence ).

Now can we return to Ghufran’s posts as he now puts all of the protagonists in the Syrian conflict on the same level of guilt.

I do believe that the country will NOT survive and that the game of the regime is to leave it in ruins and to fight endlessly for a separate state. I do believe that the Iranians would rather have a rump state in Syria that remains loyal to the axis of so called resistance rather than have a state that is no longer its ally.

I do believe that the regime managed to regionalize the conflict to give itself some depth and some support. It also used violence and is now asking to separate the political solution from the security solution. It thinks it can make time go backwards. It also forced the Alawi sect to become its de facto ally by shear fear of retribution with its massacres.

It is diabolical after all.

September 16th, 2012, 9:07 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

الفصل التعسفي لطلاب في جامعة دمشق

Arbitrary dismissal of 12 students at the University of Damascus and banning their entry to all Syrian universities public and private, totally arbitrarily due to their political affiliation and revolutionary activities.

http://syrianncb.org/2012/09/16/%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%A6%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A8%D8%AE%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B5-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B5%D9%84/

And Shareef Shehadeh still talks about freedom of expression, democracy and the power of the people, all present and practiced freely in Assadist-controlled Syria, according to him!

I have a feeling somebody is going to chime in that they should consider themselves lucky to be alive and not mutilated corpses thrown out of the regime’s torture chambers. Yes, I suppose…one can look at it that way too.

September 16th, 2012, 9:34 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

I am going to sidestep the death threats and calls for exterminating my family…

I will NEVER send a single cent of my money to arm anyone to kill!
Every dollar that I have raised or donated has gone to help Syrian refugees, and medical aid to help the wounded civilians and combatants.

To me it is far more important to help those in dire need and can’t help themselves, at the same time I do not hold any ill contempt to those that rather help arm the FSA.

I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE for my position and I will not be bullied by a bunch keyboard jihadist that hold some real self delusion on what “they” can and can’t do.

September 16th, 2012, 9:55 pm

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

Sorry to have wasted your precious time.

You remind me with a group in Syria and the Middle East called : “Muthaqafin.” Some of their features are:

1- They think they know it all.

2- They think they have better education than everyone.

3- They think they have read more than everyone.

4- They all follow a nationalistic/emotional/utopian line.

5- They talk a lot about colonialism.

6- They always accuse others who do not agree with them of being of a lower class, sometime they use the word racist.

7- They always claim the higher moral ground.

8- They of course do not respect what others have to write or say.

9- They talk a lot about themselves trying to validate their ideas with their life stories.

10- They normally talk to themselves.

Good luck and sorry to have wasted your time.

September 16th, 2012, 9:56 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Today the town of Kafr Ouwied in Idlib was attacked by helicopter gunships, according to the locals the Assadi forces dropped a Barrel Bomb on to a civilian neighbourhood. This is the end result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgO3URIZElE
(Shockingly disturbing)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631551829816/
(Shockingly disturbing)

September 16th, 2012, 9:59 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Now that Turkey decided to close down its border to Syrian refugees their plight and desperation is growing by the day.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631552037133/

I really hope they can get some help ASAP, winter is quickly approaching…

September 16th, 2012, 10:06 pm

 

Visitor said:

Antoine,

You could be asleep at this time. I know you’re three hours ahead of me on the latitude scale of this planet.

When you wake up take care of the baggage. You insisted on carrying it.

It is all yours.

September 16th, 2012, 10:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor @509

What does your post mean?

You are not giving up, are you?

September 16th, 2012, 10:14 pm

 

Visitor said:

510 TARA,

I never give up. I just lose interest when the other party becomes unchallenging.

September 16th, 2012, 10:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor

You are intelligent and well read.  The site is infested with Islamophobes who spread distorted information and negative spin about Islam for the only reason of covering up the crimes and the wholesale slaughter of our people under the
pretext of fighting those “Muslim terrorists” who are in actuality, the men, women, and children of Syria.  As Antoine pointed out, there is a difference between the Sunni-shiaa sectarianism and the sectarianism of some Christian and Alawi Islamophobes who take advantage of every scenario to vilify the religion of billions of Muslims who find peace and refuge in their religion, showing their disgusting culture of hate and intolerance.  You have the mental energy, facts, and knowledge to expose those islamophobe, characteristics that not all of us possess.  

Having said that, I must remind you with “فبما رحمة من الله لنت لهم”,  you know the rest…  You become at time needlessly aggressive when it is not called for and this does not appeal to me as it is very much against the values you are defending..

I think you should stay.  Not that I agree with all you say… 

And this is not about getting excitement from being challenged.  This is about walking the walk..

I was a bit hesitant writing this ..but hay, direct all the way…
     

September 16th, 2012, 10:51 pm

 

Halabi said:

This border crossing with Turkey hasn’t been in control of the Assad regime for almost two months. Maybe the Iranian soldiers, which Iran now officially says are working on killing Syrians, will “liberate” these crossings and Aleppo from the Syrians.

http://youtu.be/bU_rQRp9qMU

September 16th, 2012, 10:57 pm

 

Halabi said:

Assad’s soldiers launch tank shells from inside Aleppo for an Addunya action shot. There was no battle, just firing heavy weapons on civilians and perhaps some fighters in the distance. War crimes, crimes against humanity, pure evil.

http://youtu.be/YYjtWCxGCzo

September 16th, 2012, 11:07 pm

 

Visitor said:

512 TARA,

Thanks for the kind words.

As for the shortcoming that you mentioned, I am aware of it. It is not that I cannot control it, I do it on purpose since those Islomophobes are dead set on their purpose. What I am saying there is there is not much benefit in trying to win them over. They are lost cause. Sometimes being aggressive with them may act as a last resort shock therapy.

As for the Sunni/Shia conflict, let me clarify certain things. The mainstream Shia, which in this case may refer to the so-called twelves, my views about them are as follows. The ordinary Shia man/woman is good at heart but their so-called scholars are the worst you may encounter in terms of hypocrisy and they intentionally keep their ‘flock’ in the dark. In general the Shia person does not know much about his/her creed and could be easily won by some reason and good argument.

And just to make things even clearer, I have Shia relatives through intermarriages. So, I am not really as you may think.

September 16th, 2012, 11:07 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Morsi denouncing the murder of US ambassador in Libya:

Btw, 2 of Morsi’s sons are US citizens,not that it matters but there are calls by islamists for him to ask his sons to surrender their citizenship !!

September 16th, 2012, 11:44 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Here is a sample of the debate about US next step in Syria after what happened in Libya and elsewhere due to a 13 minute YouTube clip , as ugly and reprehensible as it is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/world/middleeast/mideast-turmoil-heats-up-debate-on-us-intervening-in-syria.html?ref=middleeast

September 16th, 2012, 11:58 pm

 

I'm A real American said:

Mr. Visitor if I may indulge you in one question, what are your thoughts regarding the Syrian Salafi Adan Arur?

September 17th, 2012, 12:01 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

515. VAT

“I have Shia relatives through intermarriages”

Translation: some of my best friends are Shi’ites

“I am not really as you may think”

Translation: I do not beat my wife…except when she deserves it.

September 17th, 2012, 1:52 am

 

Visitor said:

518 Real American,

First the name of the person you’re asking about is Adnan Al-3Ar3our.

I met him in person in a North American city over 12 years ago.

He looked like a good person to me at the time.

As you may well know he is an exile veteran of the first 7Hama massacre of butcher father of butcher son.

His background is MB and he may have turned into Salafism for some reason that he knows best.

——-

D-a-l-e 519

You’re an idiot.

I do not need to offer any personal info to you or to anyone else if it is not true.

You know how aweful I can be when I choose to. And others’ opinions about me mean the least to me.

September 17th, 2012, 1:54 am

 

Badr said:

Manipulated Outrage and Misplaced Fury
Islamists stoke resentment of the West—and anger over the long decline of Muslim influence—to serve their own violent ends.
By HUSAIN HAQQANI

Clearly, then, violent responses to perceived injury are not integral to Islam. A religion is what its followers make it, and Muslims opting for violence have chosen to paint their faith as one that is prone to anger. Frustration with their inability to succeed in the competition between nations also has led some Muslims to seek symbolic victories.

Once the Muslim world embraces freedom of expression, it will be able to recognize the value of that freedom even for those who offend Muslim sensibilities. More important: Only in a free democratic environment will the world’s Muslims be able to debate the causes of their powerlessness, which stirs in them greater anger than any specific action on the part of Islam’s Western detractors.

September 17th, 2012, 2:41 am

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

520 VAT

“I met Adnan Aroor in person in a North American city over 12 years ago. He looked like a good person to me.”

The fact is, Adnan Aroor is a lunatic. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wFkhEvyYKk

September 17th, 2012, 3:14 am

 

Mina said:

Visitor,

Could you tell me what “shari’a islamiyya” inspires you to think about Jews and Christians, are they good people or not? Do you admit that because of a hadith attributed to Omar, they are unable to have a temple or a church in Saudi Arabia?
I am muslim like you but I respect other religions, including those that are not mentioned in the Quran and whose believers are considered as “polytheists”. Tell me your opinion: are they good persons? What should a state where shari’a islamiyya is the rule do with these believers?

September 17th, 2012, 3:54 am

 

Visitor said:

Mina 523,

You’re asking the wrong person about Sharia. I am in no way versed in the subject.

But if you want my personal opinion about Jews and Christians then yes they are good people.

As for other ‘unbelievers’, they too are good people.

September 17th, 2012, 6:08 am

 

VISITOR said:

Mr. Haqqani may have been able to run away from a Pakistani court order by hiding in the US, however he should not feel so fortunate and dismiss international agreements that have legal implications. The issue is not freedom of expression. The issue is inciting hatred by deranged individual often with criminal backgrounds,

http://www.law-democracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/10.02.hate-speech.Macedonia-book.pdf

Muslims had freedom of expression long before Haqqani moved to the US. They use it wisely and they are generally polite with others. We cannot blame Muslims for dictatorships imposed upon them that are often allies of so-called free governments of the West.

The term Islamist is a misnomer and in fact there are no such things as Islamists. Addressing Muslims should be done in the proper manner that they choose to call themselves i.e. Muslims and not Islamists.

Perhaps Haqqani needs a small lesson in observing manners before lecturing others. This mishap of his could be the effect of his long stay in ‘free’ US which may have caused him to lose the polite upbringing and manners he was fortunate to enjoy while growing in Pakistan. Living among deranged criminals and giving them the freedom to express their nonsense may have some negative undesirable effects as we clearly see in Haqqani’s case.

September 17th, 2012, 6:53 am

 

Albo said:

I’ll repost this link as probably many missed it.
http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/2010-muslim-01-13.png

There’s absolutely not a snowball’s chance in hell that you can build a democracy on these values, let alone a functional society in th XXIst century. This isn’t about minorities, their fears or their supposed biggotry.

Actually I’m glad that the MB took power in Egypt and an Islamic party in Tunisia. Now that they can rule, that their policies will be applied, people will be able to see them for the frauds they are. They are going to be tested and won’t pass the reality check.

Tunisia and Egypt don’t have food security. Egypt is the single largest importer of wheat in the world, they will attain 100 millions inhabitants soon. Their economies were heavily reliant on the receipts of tourism. With such headlines, they can kiss the tourists goodbye. They also need investments, and investments require stability and security.
Another bump in food prices on the world market and people will see that the solutions of islamists aren’t solutions at all. And the Gulf countries’ paycheck is not large enough to bail out tens of millions of poors forever.

September 17th, 2012, 7:51 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Syria: The Rule of Law and Courts in Exile

On Friday I paid a visit to the Supreme Courts of Justice in Westminster. It has been a while since I last put down my law books, and for a moment it felt as if I had been transported back to university. It feels like a lifetime ago now, even though it was only three short years ago. Back then, the idea of a Supreme Court was treated with great deference by the faculty. It marked the clearest distinction yet between the judiciary and the legislature in the country, and marked a great step forward for the separation of powers.

Walking down to the exhibition hall and cafe, I spotted one of the plaques describing how the building had been used by the governments of four countries during the Second World War, to try those of their nationals and armed forces that had committed any manner of crimes in accordance with the laws of their land. These courts were in exile because their countries were occupied by the Nazis but evidently the rule of law was considered far too important to be held up by such a detail. It then occurred to me that nobody has yet called for the creation of a Syrian court in exile to try Syrian nationals accused of crimes both within the country and abroad.

The atrocities in Syria are rising, and what we hear of is undoubtedly only a fraction of the whole picture. I hold Assad’s regime in utter contempt, but I can’t deny that those who fight his evil cover a very wide spectrum, and not all of them hold the interests of the Syrian people dear. A question presents itself to all Syrians, but especially to those who are now on the very front line in this revolution, both politically and militarily, where is the rule of law? Why can we not have courts to try both members of the regime that have been captured, as well as members of the FSA, the SNA or any other Syrian national who has broken the law and committed a crime?

[…]

http://www.maysaloon.org/2012/09/syria-rule-of-law-and-courts-in-exile.html

September 17th, 2012, 8:09 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Visitor,

“3aouwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!”

Keep barking you nasty dog! I am going NO WHERE!

This revolution is not yours, NEVER WILL BE!

September 17th, 2012, 8:13 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Ghufran,

“how do envision getting out of this mess if the opposition does not want to talk to the regime, I am not talking about the Assads and Makhloufs here, ?”

I am not sure what you mean, because and this is not only me (but the SNC as well) has stated many times that in order for negotiations to start, Assad needs to step down.

September 17th, 2012, 8:18 am

 

Albo said:

TARA “You are intelligent and well read. The site is infested with Islamophobes who spread distorted information and negative spin about Islam for the only reason of covering up the crimes and the wholesale slaughter of our people under the
pretext of fighting those “Muslim terrorists” who are in actuality, the men, women, and children of Syria. As Antoine pointed out, there is a difference between the Sunni-shiaa sectarianism and the sectarianism of some Christian and Alawi Islamophobes who take advantage of every scenario to vilify the religion of billions of Muslims who find peace and refuge in their religion, showing their disgusting culture of hate and intolerance. ”

The disgusting culture of hate and intolerance…alright, because it’s Berbers, Copts, Maronites, Syriacs, Alawi, Kurds who invaded Arab lands and Arabs and not the other way around and intend to refresh millenium old law codes to segregate them.

Obviously. I should not link to several super-cheap Pakistani, Turkish movies that insult other religions. I shouldn’t link to islamist speeches where they vow to kill the infidels and take their women, etc…By islamists’ standards, all of this would be enough to warrant hundreds of riots all over the planet, attacks of dozens of embassies etc…

Get over it. I know well educated, amiable Sunnis and such people I would very glady see them lead Syria. Some in their family are pro-regime, themselves are anti regime. But they keep their religion to themselves and that’s the very least you can expect in heterogeneous countries like Syria in the XXIst century. I don’t ask for anything more than that. If I’m not annoyed by Hindu or Buddhist rituals, why would I be by what muslims do among themselves? What did you think, that people like me are out to get you? I couldn’t stand the video of body parts someone posted. If we can’t reach any understanding like that, then we should split Syria and call it quits.

September 17th, 2012, 8:33 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

“I will ask you to expand on this “No Baath and the Assad family is the root of this conflict, ” Do you really think that, right now, this conflict is about Assad and the Baath, deep down? Do you really think that their removal alone can cure Syria?”

Yes absolutely, this regime has left Syria devoid of a proper political process, it destroyed every institution and made it rotten down to the core, it instilled fear and suspicion within its citizens, tortured raped and killed any dissenting views.

And no their removal alone will not cure Syria of it ailments, but it sure as hell will help the country move forward. But as long as the “choice” is Bashar or the Assad clan there will be further backwardness and more blood shed and the world will be damning Syria into the hands of foreign militants and their sick ideologies.

Thankfully even though many members of the FSA are pious and religious they are no less enthused about foreigners:

Most fighters disagree with killing fellow rebels, but seem pleased that Farouq, whose own ideology is moderately Islamist, took action. “We don’t want foreigners or extremists here because this is our fight and Syrians are moderate,” says one who leads a small independent group of rebels out of a village in the area.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2012/09/syria

And not long ago another foreign Jihadi was killed in Al-Qusair by the FSA.

September 17th, 2012, 8:37 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

“What did you think, that people like me are out to get you?”

Maybe not you personally but many Sunni Syrians feel as though that is the case.

I work on a project that compiles the photos coming out of Syria, in the past three months I have counted over 42 cases of Mosque attacks all over Syria by the Assadi militia.

Every massacre that has happened so far has involved Sunni families being slaughtered.

There is ethnic cleansing happening in Syria, and it is not being done to the minorities. And I said it before the opposition has done a terrible job approaching the minorities in Syria, especially the Allawi community but at the same time who are the opposition supposed to approach within that community when the Assad’s left it devoid of any real community leaders and religious elders?

September 17th, 2012, 8:48 am

 

Tara said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19619646

The influential leader of the Lebanon-based Shia Muslim militant group, Hezbollah, has called for fresh protests over an anti-Islam film.

The world needed to know Muslims “would not be silent in the face of this insult”, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said.

September 17th, 2012, 8:55 am

 

Tara said:

Albo@ 530

“get over it”

I am not really clear what you are telling me. Get over what?

September 17th, 2012, 8:57 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Why Daraya was attacked by Assadi forces, Daraya could have been (and still should be) an example for the rest of the country and the Assad clan wanted it destroyed at all costs!

Slow, costly road to unity in Syria’s revolt
By Khaled Yacoub Oweis

AMMAN (Reuters) – Until Syrian forces stormed the Damascus suburb of Daraya last month, rebels ran the affairs of the working class town in a display of grassroots unity which has eluded President Bashar al-Assad’s opponents on a national level.
The nascent self-rule in Daraya mirrored arrangements in towns across Syria, particularly northern rural districts, which have fallen out of Assad’s control during the 18-month uprising.

“Independent judges presided over the court and rebels took over police duties,” said Saleh Nasser, an underground activist who helped set up a civilian administration alongside the rebels to oversee security and municipal services. “Daraya threatened to become a model of a civilized alternative to Assad.”
That local coordination, built around a rebel move away from tight, small fighting cells into bigger units in towns and cities, has failed to translate into an organizational structure offering a national alternative to Assad’s rule, according to opposition leaders and diplomats following the revolt.

But with the divided opposition in exile failing to secure international recognition and some rebel-held towns gaining a degree of autonomy, Western powers are paying increasing attention to the rebel leaders on the ground.
Local groups with names such as ‘Revolution Command Council’ are mostly composed of armed rebels and civilian figures such as professors, doctors and lawyers who were at the forefront of the street protest movement before it turned into an armed revolt.

These grassroots organizations, diplomats who follow the rebellion say, are more cohesive than military groupings set up by army officers who defected and fled to Turkey or Jordan, such as a recently announced ‘National Army’ headed by General Mohammad Haj Ali, the most senior military officer to defect.

The revolt against Assad began in March last year as mainly peaceful demonstrations for reform. Protests rapidly hardened into calls for Assad’s overthrow and, faced with a violent military crackdown, the uprising became an armed insurgency. Syrian authorities say they are fighting Islamist “terrorists” backed by western and Sunni Arab nations for geopolitical gain.

[…]

http://news.yahoo.com/slow-costly-road-unity-syrias-revolt-143858308.html

September 17th, 2012, 9:00 am

 

Albo said:

Son of Damascus, I believe Alawis are fighting not for Assad but for their own skins. That’s at least what they think, although they are some exceptions who aren’t representative.

Not all Sunnis (Arabs) are fighting a religious or sectarian war, but many certainly are. And given how things are, it is getting more clear cut by the day, in the wrong sense.

What I hope is that, for a first step, we have a transition with someone of the regime who is Sunni, a bit like a Syrian Mikati if you want. The aim isn’t to fool anyone, but I do believe that it can have an appeasing effect at first and that’s what we need at any cost now. As it is difficult to keep the state without keeping parts of the regime, and without state we’re Somalia. Afterwards will be the time to gradually implement reforms so that the state reflect the wish of the Syrian people in all its components, and deal with the judicial matter consequences brought by war crimes.

Things need to be gradual, there’s no other way.

September 17th, 2012, 9:03 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

I pretty much agree with your assessment, and think Manaf Tlass is being groomed for that transitional leadership role (much to my displeasure but I am willing to see what can become of it). However the elephant in the room is not being dealt with, or even looked at.

Will the people that are currently holding the biggest guns accept a non-Alawi leader? What must be done to alleviate their fears and help them back into the Syrian fold rather than the sectarian one?

September 17th, 2012, 9:17 am

 

Albo said:

“I am not really clear what you are telling me. Get over what?”

Inconsequential caricature movies or remarks by some posters here. I understand they can be annoying but there really aren’t a big deal at all. Most of it isn’t unprovoked also, you can’t separate the insulting movie from the abductions of Copts, burning of their churches, beatings etc…

But rather than saying muslims had it coming, I’ll just suggest we can all live together as Egyptian muslims are mostly arabized Copts, Syrian muslims are arabized phonicians, serians etc…We’re literally brothers and sisters, and the truth is many of these minorities are less comfortable among westerners than they are with their muslim compatriots.

September 17th, 2012, 9:17 am

 

Observer said:

Majbali

I apologize if I offended you no offense or insult meant in any way, just an assessment.

By the way here are Ben Franklin’s 13 virutes which I try to strive to achieve daily and I am sure I failed you and others in this regard.

Temperance: Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation
Silence: Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself; avoid trifling conversations
Order: Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time
Resolution: Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve
Frugality: Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; that is, waste nothing
Industry: Lose not time; be always employed in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions
Sincerity: Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly; speak accordingly
Justice: Wrong none by doing injuries or omitting the benefits that are your duty
Moderation: Avoid extremes; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think you deserve
Cleanliness: Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, clothes or habitation
Tranquility: Be not disturbed at trifles or accidents common or unavoidable
Chastity: Rarely use venery but for health or offspring; never to dullness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another’s peace or reputation
Humility: Imitate Jesus and Socrates

Now here are the principles of free examination they are in French I hope you can read fluently as they were formulated during the founding of Brussels Free University and in this I have tried to follow them in my estimation of the world

“Nous jurons d’inspirer à nos élèves, quel que soit d’ailleurs l’objet de notre enseignement, l’amour pratique des hommes qui sont frères, sans distinction de caste, d’opinion, de nations; nous jurons de leur apprendre à consacrer leurs pensées, leurs travaux, leurs talents au bonheur et à l’amélioration de leurs concitoyens et de l’humanité.”, Auguste Baron, Premier secrétaire de l’Université de Bruxelles (Discours d’ouverture, 20 novembre 1834).

“La pensée ne doit jamais se soumettre, ni à un dogme, ni à un parti, ni à une passion, ni à un intérêt, ni à une idée préconçue, ni à quoi que ce soit, si ce n’est aux faits eux-mêmes, parce que, pour elle, se soumettre, ce serait cesser d’être.”, Henri Poincare (Fêtes du LXXVe anniversaire, 21 novembre 1909).

“Examiner, en dehors de toute autorité politique ou religieuse, les grandes questions qui touchent à l’homme et à la société, sonder librement les sources du vrai et du bien, tel est le rôle de notre Université, telle est aussi sa raison d’être.”, Pierre-Théodore Verhaegen, Fondateur de notre maison (Allocution au Roi Léopold Ier, 1er janvier 1854).

“La tolérance n’est ni l’hésitation, ni la transaction sur les principes, ni la pusillanimité, ou l’équivoque dans leur expression, car à ce compte, elle consisterait à n’en point avoir ou à ne pas oser les dire… Elle n’impose pas à proprement parler le respect des opinions d’autrui: comment respecter ce qui est jugé faux, ce que l’on condamne, ce que l’on s’efforce de détruire ‘ Elle est le respect de la personne et de la liberté d’autrui. Elle consiste à affirmer ce que l’on tient pour vérité, en même temps que l’on reconnaît, à d’autres, le droit d’affirmer leurs erreurs, en même temps qu’en les combattant, on se refuse à recourir pour les vaincre à l’injure, à la violence, ou à la proscription.”, Charles Graux

September 17th, 2012, 9:19 am

 

Tara said:

Albo

The vicious Islamophobe propaganda is not inconsequential. Vilifying a group of people is the first step to dehumanize them and subsequently to call for their elimination and slaughter.

September 17th, 2012, 9:22 am

 

Tara said:

There are lists of names and units ready for justice to be served.

Syrian rebels accused of war crimes
Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Monday 17 September 2012 08.22 EDT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/17/syrian-rebels-accused-war-crimes?newsfeed=true

Human Rights Watch said it had documented more than a dozen executions by rebels in the northern provinces of Idlib and Aleppo and the coastal region of Latakia. Three opposition leaders who were confronted with evidence of extrajudicial killings said the victims had deserved to die, HRW reported.

The Free Syrian Army, the main armed opposition group, came under pressure from foreign supporters to end abuses after the public execution of 14 members of a clan of pro-regime militiamen in Aleppo in August. It then issued a code of conduct and pledged to respect human rights and humanitarian law.

“Declarations by opposition groups that they want to respect human rights are important, but the real test is how opposition forces behave,” said Nadim Houry, deputy Middle East director at HRW. “Time and again Syria’s opposition has told us it is fighting against the government because of its abhorrent human rights violations. Now is the time for the opposition to show that they really mean what they say.”
….
Pinheiro revealed a new secret list of Syrian individuals and units suspected of committing war crimes who should face criminal prosecution. It was based on “a formidable and extraordinary body of evidence”, he said. He urged the UN security council to refer the situation in Syria to the international criminal court (ICC).
…,

September 17th, 2012, 9:24 am

 

Dawoud said:

502. Darryl

To Darryl, the inventor of the anti-Muslim “1400 years of colonization” theory (which is inaccurate because many of the native Syrian or Bilad al-Sham Sasanite Arabs converted to Islam from Christianity after al-Yarmouk Battle):

Stop your anti-Muslim rant! Neither you nor the anti-Msulim Coptic producer of the defamatory anti-Prophet YOUTUbe trailer will succeed in conquering Islam. Your anti-Muslim hate will only agonize you and may cause you heart attack 🙂

Free Syria, Free Palestine, Bahrain is Arab Forever!

September 17th, 2012, 9:33 am

 

mjabali said:

son of Damascus:

There is a slaughter house in Syria right now. How to stop that is the job of the smart ones.

Sunnis are getting the heavy hand of the regime, there is no doubt about that, but also the minorities are getting it bad too, sometimes at the hand of the opposition and other times at the hands of the regime when their sons are fighting in this bloody conflict or when they happen to be where the fight is taking place.

The bystanders are getting bombed by the two parts these days. The regime has more weapons and is inflicting lots of damage. The Sunnis so far got the worst of this violence.

But, if you look at what is happening to the minorities we see the following:

1- Christians: there is no doubt that the Christians are leaving their traditional areas. Their houses of worship are ransacked. The Christians are being targeted because of their stance in the conflict. This is no secret.

2- Shia: The Shia are targeted big time by the opposition. These days their villages close to Allepo are under siege for months. The villages of al-Zahra and Nabl are under siege with all of that word entails. The Shia shrines are constant targets, and we know how much this means to both parties.

The regime is going to rely more on direct Iranian help. The Iranians (the regime I mean here) are willing and intent to protect their rights in Syria that were given to them by al-Assads. The Shia question is a huge part of the fight in Syria, and to solve this you can get somewhere.

3- Alawis: They are leaving Damascus for sure. Many of them in Damascus got killed too. I am talking about the civilians and not those serving in al-Assads’ army. My friend’s aunt and her two kids got killed in Mazza Jabal not too long ago. Another person I know trying to get to Lattakia got killed by al-Nabk. Yesterday I read about a man and his son getting killed. Many of them left their homes. The Alawi villages next to the Turkman’s villages in the Kasab region had been attacked: the Alawi inhabitants were forced out of two villages so far: al-Mazra’a and Kfariyah. Here is a link to the Ibn Taymiyah brigade storming the Alawi village of al-Mazra’a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CaqkHyF-k

As for whom to talk to in the Alawi community: you need to try harder because I agree with you about what al-Assads did. They did the same to all of Syria and that is one of the reasons why you can not have top leadership in the opposition.

The opposition should be very clear and honest if they want to approach any Alawis. So far there was zero honesty and zero clarity in their vision for the Alawis. Till then, let us hope a miracle would happen today and people stop fighting in Syria.

There is no solution other than sitting on the table and solving this issue after all agree to stop all forms of violence.

September 17th, 2012, 9:46 am

 

zoo said:

The “angels” in action

Syrian rebels torturing, killing detainees: HRW

Published Monday, September 17, 2012
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syrian-rebels-torturing-killing-detainees-hrw

Syrian rebels have committed war crimes including torture and killing of detainees, Human Rights Watch said on Monday, calling on countries which support those fighting Bashar al-Assad’s rule to press them to respect humanitarian law.

The New York-based group said it had documented more than 12 cases where rebel fighters had killed their captured opponents, while at least six detainees interviewed by HRW said they had been tortured and mistreated.

“Time and again Syria’s opposition has told us that it is fighting against the government because of its abhorrent human rights violations,” HRW’s deputy Middle East director Nadim Houry said. “Now is the time for the opposition to show that they really mean what they say.”

September 17th, 2012, 10:00 am

 

zoo said:

‘US will think twice before supporting Islamic radicals’
Published: 17 September, 2012, 15:2

http://rt.com/news/ambassador-killing-syria-hamid-306/

The recent outbreak of violent anti-American protests in the Muslim world will make US politicians think twice before supporting Islamic radicals, political analyst and ex-jihadist Tawfik Hamid said in an interview with RT.

­The US has funded Islamists groups throughout the world for decades, and the death of the American ambassador to Libya is just one more example of how militants backed by radical Islamic ideology will eventually turn their weapons against their patrons in Washington.

In this light, Hamid believes that the idea of toppling Syria’s President Bashar Assad and replacing him with rebels known to have connections to Al-Qaeda should no longer seem like such a winning idea to the West.
..
RT: Do you think the US will change its strategy in the Arab world and the countries going through transitions, in light of what is going on?

TH: Yes, absolutely. For example, there will be many voices that will start questioning if removing [Syrian President Bashar] Al-Assad is a good idea or not. Supporting the rebels can ultimately bring extreme radicals [to power in Syria], who will become enemies to America and attack it. It doesn’t work the way people think. The Libyan example of the killing of the ambassador in such a way, and the spread of the reaction in several Islamic societies, will make many people think twice before supporting rebels against Al-Assad. I cannot say it will be a game change in this respect, but I can say it will make many people think twice about the issue of supporting the rebels against Al-Assad.

September 17th, 2012, 10:04 am

 

zoo said:

Erdogan brags on Turks killed: They are just Kurds…

Some 500 PKK militants killed in one month: Turkish PM

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/some-500-pkk-militants-killed-in-one-month-turkish-pm-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=30312&NewsCatID=338

Some 500 suspected members of outlawed Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK) have been killed in one month by Turkish security forces in operations against the militants, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said today, AFP has reported.

“In operations held during the past month, some 500 militants were rendered ineffective in the (southeast) region,” Erdoğan said in remarks televised by NTV news channel.

September 17th, 2012, 10:12 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

Did you read Michael kilo’s open letter to the Pope about the real danger to Christians in Syria, linked by ASSAD.  I was hoping that you share the same opinion… 

ولا يخوض النظام معركة الدفاع عن المسيحيين، الذين لا يهددهم أي خطر اعظم من حماقة بعض كنائسهم 
وكهنتهم، التي وصلت إلى حد جعلهم يباركون قتل الأطفال والنساء والشيوخ وينظمون حفلات راقصة احتفالا به،

المسيحية المشرقية في خطر عظيم، يا صاحب القداسة، ليس لأنها مهددة بالأصولية الإسلامية، بل لأنها تدار بيد أصولية مسيحية وعقليتها، يمارسها ويتبناها أحبار يقودون بعضها، تضع سياساتهم ومواقفهم اللإنسانية واللاخلاقية السكين على عنق يسوع الناصري، لأنها تضعها لأول مرة في التاريخ ضد أبناء عمومتها المظلومين، الذي لا ذنب لهم غير أنهم يحاولون إنقاذ أنفسهم من موت بطيء، 

September 17th, 2012, 10:26 am

 

zoo said:

Foreigners behind the US embassy attack: Mohamed Yussef Magariaf, president of Libya’s newly elected national congress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/world/middleeast/video-appears-to-show-libyans-retrieving-envoys-body.html

..
Mr. Magariaf said that Libya has arrested as many as 50 people over the assault. At least a few, he said, had come from outside Libya, possibly Algeria or Mali. And he also said that he believed the non-Libyans had been involved in planning the attack in the months since they entered the country, and that it was meant to coincide with the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Referring to “ugly deeds, criminal deeds,” Mr. Magariaf insisted that the attacks “do not resemble any way, in any sense, the aspirations, the feelings of Libyans towards the United States and its citizens,” emphasizing the role of “foreigners.”

September 17th, 2012, 10:43 am

 

Uzair8 said:

There have been twitter updates of rebel advancement in Aleppo, including into new areas. Also mention of rebels destroying 17 katyusha rockets during these operations.

September 17th, 2012, 10:43 am

 

Syrian said:

540. Tara said:

541. Tara said:
“The influential leader of the Lebanon-based Shia Muslim militant group, Hezbollah, has called for fresh protests over an anti-Islam film.

“The world needed to know Muslims “would not be silent in the face of this insult”, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said.”
Tara, It’s obvious he wants the world’s attention to steer away from the daily massacres in Syria. If he was so sincere about respecting Muslims feelings, he should start by himself and his Mullahs masters and stop cursing the next 3 holiest persons in Sunni Islam, Abu Baker,Omar and Aisha weekly from the pulpits of their Housiniat

September 17th, 2012, 10:43 am

 

ann said:

If Assad is ousted, radical Islamists will take over Syria – Russian MP – 17 September, 2012

http://rt.com/politics/asad-ousted-succeed-russian-327/

The chair of the Russian parliamentary committee for foreign affairs warned that the fall of Bashar Al-Assad in Syria would lead to a second Iraq, with Muslim extremists inevitably seizing power.

In a recent Web article, Aleksey Pushkov wrote that such a scenario would be almost certain to take place if Assad were ousted, as it is well-known that radical Muslim groups are operating inside Syria: “And instead the secular rational state that we had in Syria under Assad, where all ethnic and religious groups lived in peace and accord, we will get a second Iraq.”

The Russian politician went on to argue that Russia had repeatedly warned Western states, who are blinded by “the narrowness of their minds” and political calculations, and are incapable of heeding such warnings.

There are no guarantees that whoever replaced Asad would not immediately turn their guns against the United States, even though the Washington is actively aiding rebel forces, Pushkov said. He cited the current situation in Libya as an example, claiming that Libyans showed no gratitude for America’s role in the overthrow of the Muammar Gaddafi regime.

“Yes, from Libya to Syria the insurgents can demand support, weapons, money, ground invasion and air force operations from the United States, they are ready to use all this to seize the power in the country, but the majority, if not the absolute majority of population in these countries have no good feelings whatsoever towards the US,” he wrote.

He went on to explain that US officials mistook their connection with the small group that came to power in post-Gaddafi Libya for the backing of the country’s people. Those relationships have further frayed, with many Libyan families losing family members in US and NATO military actions, the Russian MP said.

The parliamentarian also accused the West of a double standard in protecting activists and artists who attack Islam, as happened with the American-made film ‘Innocence of Muslims’ that recently sparked widespread protests and violence in the Muslim world.

“This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. The freedom of speech is not covering a lot of other things that are considered banned in the West. Otherwise they would not be so eager in attempts to put Julian Assange in jail,” Pushkov said.

[…]

http://rt.com/politics/asad-ousted-succeed-russian-327/

September 17th, 2012, 10:54 am

 

zoo said:

#554 Tara

Boring and futile discussions about religious groups and religion have been invading SC.

From now on, I prefer to concentrate on the political evolution of the regional situation, not in the philosophical complexities or the historical incongruencies of the religions interpreted on SC by so called ‘experts’.

September 17th, 2012, 10:54 am

 

zoo said:

Courageous move from Nasrallah to pressure the international community to respect all religions, not only the Jewish one. Why is Saudi Arabia silent?

If the USA and France have blasphemy laws against Jews, I don’t see why they should not have blasphemy laws against other religions.

September 17th, 2012, 11:02 am

 
 

Tara said:

Syrian

I too question Nasrallh’s motive. Calling for fresh protest against the film when it has died down is aimed to distract attention from the wholesale slaughter committed by Batta against his people and to make it sounds that the Arab
spring is an Islamic plot targeted against the west.

I hope his wishes do come true and HA followers and Iran listen to his call so the West do refocus its attention into the threats those Mullahs posing.

September 17th, 2012, 11:11 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

With due respect to you, I found your response bombastic and irrelevant. بالسوري: فذلكة

It is a typical Middle Eastern trait when someone brings the quotes of famous people.

If you follow Ben Franklin that much why haven’t you produced 1/10 of what he did?

The class of “muthaqafin” perfected this. They offered no real knowledge.

This is a very well known method by those who are trying to pass as real “intellectuals.”

Please bring me what you write and not what others had written 100’s of years before.

By the way do you think readers are interested into your “venery” activities?

I told you, no offense, that you write for yourself from your “ivory tower.”

September 17th, 2012, 11:12 am

 

jna said:

560. zoo said: If the USA and France have blasphemy laws against Jews, I don’t see why they should not have blasphemy laws against other religions.

Zoo, France does, but the US does not have blasphemy laws regards any religion or group. However in the US displaying racism, anti-semitism, etc. can effect negatively your standing in society in many ways.

September 17th, 2012, 11:27 am

 

Erin said:

Arabs will continue to be run by the USA and Isarel for years if not centuries to come, they always have been.
The only thing they care about is a retard theologys and teaching.
they are not even advanced as the Latin america country, Brazil is the fourth economy of the world and the Arabs still importing shoes.
it is shame that the rich arab thinks only of spreading wahabi teaching all over the world instead becoming a advanced, humanistic counrty.
They hate pigs and alchohol but they love to eat and drink it on their trips to the west, retard mentality the least to say.
Too bad HIV is not spreading faster between this pigs of the GCC.
I have to ask someone if HIV infect Pigs anyway. many have said it here and other places, the problem with Islam is Islam itself.
as long as it doens’t go through a self cleansing as christianity did in the middle age, muslims will continue to be leached to retard mentality, Imams and bogus teaching.
The 21st cnetury should be the liberation of Islam not the liberation of Arabs because the latter will never happen if the former doesn’t happen first.
voila’.

September 17th, 2012, 11:29 am

 

ann said:

The Tide is Turning!

UN human rights panel says increasing number of foreigners making Syrian rebels more radical – September 17, 2012

http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/fed35aa5e7a34370bd67e7f4dd308c1f/EU–UN-Rights-Syria

GENEVA — The number of foreign fighters in Syria is growing, some operating independently and some joining anti-government forces which they are helping to make more radical, U.N. human rights investigators said Monday.

But the group’s chairman, Brazilian diplomat and professor Paulo Sergio Pinheiro, couldn’t explain how that was happening, saying the panel doesn’t know exactly where the foreigners are from or how they are influencing Syrian fighters.

“Such elements tend to push anti-government fighters toward more radical positions,” Pinheiro said.

He said there are indications some of the foreigners are trained in bomb-making. Panel member Karen Koning AbuZayd said some of the bombings in Syria have resembled those carried out by radical Islamist fighters in other countries.

[…]

http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/fed35aa5e7a34370bd67e7f4dd308c1f/EU–UN-Rights-Syria

September 17th, 2012, 11:53 am

 

ann said:

Western narrative on Syria is crumbling: U.S. journalist – 17 September 2012

http://www.tehrantimes.com/world/101527-western-narrative-on-syria-is-crumbling-us-journalist/

September 17th, 2012, 12:10 pm

 

Syrian said:

565. Erin said:
“Too bad HIV is not spreading faster between this pigs of the GCC.
I have to ask someone if HIV infect Pigs anyway. many have said it here and other places, the problem with Islam is Islam itself”
If cleansing Islam will make me think like you after your cleansed your Christianity,I’d rather stay in the backward Islam,
The Arabs might be for years to come under the influence of the west,as you say, but that’s due the way the center of powers move around the world through out history, it was the Roman then the Arabs then the Turks and now it is with the western world , but that only temporary because in few decades it will move to china and the east
and just a reminder when the center of power was with the Muslims they never forced anyone (like Christan Spain did) to become Muslims as some here say, because other wise all of you here non Muslims would be now Muslims and probably Salafis too,
your new humane civilized world killed 69 millions humans in WW2 and have enough nukes to destroy earth 10 times over, true they may never use it but they keep it over every body’s head,
and be humane when it suits their economic interest

September 17th, 2012, 12:15 pm

 

ann said:

Another Tactical Withdrawal 8)

Syrian army retakes flash point Aleppo district – September 17, 2012

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=437468

Syrian forces said they had secured a flashpoint district of Aleppo city on Monday after a week of fighting, although an AFP correspondent said some parts were still unsafe for residents to return.

The district of “Midan is under the control of the army,” a military source told AFP, in a report backed up by the correspondent on the ground.

“We came back to our homes when we heard the army controlled Midan, but there was no electricity,” a man said. “We waited for two hours and it didn’t return. We will go back when it is fixed.”

But not all areas were safe and an army checkpoint had been set up near the Midan police station, also retaken by the army, to prevent residents from returning to their homes in the so-called “fourth zone” of the district.

The correspondent reported seeing the bodies of nine rebels lying in the streets near the fourth zone and that the sound of gunfire could be heard.

One man was turned away at an army checkpoint after being told there were still snipers in the area and it was not safe to enter.

Aleppo’s provincial governor, Mohammed Wahid Akkad, promised on Sunday that water supplies would be up and running in two days. “Let people give us 48 hours and the water will be working again,” he told AFP.

[…]

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=437468

September 17th, 2012, 12:17 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

The ink was not even dry on the announcement to hold the conference “for the Rescue of Syria” that is being organized by the NCB, and the regime responds very clearly towards the anti-violence opposition: it detains members of the organizing group!

Ghufran and Mjabali, you say you are for a non-violent solution, so where is your outrage? I keep telling you the AsMAA is not interested in a peaceful solution and prefers -LOVES- an armed opposition. It facilitated the entry and participation of the Jihadists -some even have accused it of orchestrating their participation just as it did into Iraq, so that it could turn to the world and cry wolf.

I wonder what H. Manna has to say about these latest arrests, and how this will influence his decision to come to Damascus in person to attend the conference.

Are the arrests a preliminary message to the peaceful opposition “hold this meeting at your own peril” to be followed , if the organizers go ahead anyway, by a bomb exploding in the site of the meeting which of course will be immediately blamed on the “the Armed Terrorist Groups”?

بيان هيئة التنسيق في ادانة سلطات النظام بسبب اعتقالها لأعضاء من مؤتمر الانقاذ

أعلنت اللجنة الاعلامية المشرفة على مؤتمر الإنقاذ المرتقب عقده في دمشق في 2012/09/23 أن سلطات النظام السوري أقدمت على اعتقال السادة المدرجة أسماءهم أدناه وهم أعضاء مؤتمر ولجنة تحضيرية عن سابق اصرار وتصميم على مواصلة الحل القمعي الذي يزداد ضراوة كلما اجتهد اي من مناضلي الشعب السوري باتجاه الحلول السلمية ، إن هيئة التنسيق الوطنية اذ تدين هذه الاجراءات القمعية الغير مسؤولة من قبل سلطات النظام بأشد العبارات ، تطالب بالافراج الفوري عن معتقلي الشعب والحراك السلمي دون ابطاء أو تأخير ، كما تهيب بكل المنظمات والدول التي أعلنت تأييدها لهذه المبادرة أن تتدخل فورا من أجل الضغط للإفراج عنهم.
أسماء المعتقلين :
بلال النابلسي – عضو بلجنة التخطيط (حزب التنمية)
بهزاد شكو – عضو بالفريق الاغاثي (حزب التنمية)
محمد احمد يوسف – عضو بلجنة التنظيم (حزب التنمية)
سارة جمعه – بتول جمعة – دانيا اوزون اعضاء فريق الدعم النفسي (حزب التنمية)
بالاضافة الى رامي هناوي – عضو هيئة التنسيق الوطنية
النصر للثورة السورية والخلود لشهدائها
المكتب الاعلامي في هيئة التنسيق الوطنية

September 17th, 2012, 12:32 pm

 

ann said:

Pakistan orders YouTube shutdown over ‘blasphemous’ anti-Islam film – 17 September, 2012

http://rt.com/news/pakistan-shuts-youtube-film-353/

Pakistan’s prime minister has ordered YouTube’s suspension in the country over the “blasphemous” anti-Islam film as the country has become gripped by violent protests in response to the video.

[…]

http://rt.com/news/pakistan-shuts-youtube-film-353/

September 17th, 2012, 12:33 pm

 

Citizen said:

There are 50 senior agents in Turkey, ex-spy says
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/there-are-50-senior-agents-in-turkey-ex-spy-says.aspx?pageID=238&nID=30232&NewsCatID=341

There are nearly 50 high-ranking intelligence agents on Turkey’s Syria border, including agents from the United States, France, Germany, Britain and “perhaps Greece,” former CIA agent Philip Giraldi told Tolga Tanış of daily Hürriyet in an interview.

The former agent said there would be numerous spies working under the high-ranking spies and “many” informants working under them.

Giraldi said he thought there were 15-20 high-ranking CIA agents in Turkey working on the Syrian conflict alone.

“They would be paramilitary agents,” Giraldi said. “They would be based at the consulate in Adana or the İncirlik Air Base, but could operate in the field as well,” Giraldi said, adding that the agents would not cross into Syria but would direct intelligence operations from within Turkey in collaboration with Turkey’s National Intelligence Agency (MİT).

“The CIA probably has only 10 agents who are fluent in Arabic and maybe five who can speak Turkish fluently. For this reason, they need to rely on MİT agents when dealing with Syrian rebels,” Giraldi said.

The CIA lacks personnel who are fluent in Middle Eastern languages because their tours of duty only last two or three years before they are transferred elsewhere. “The agents do no have enough time to specialize in that language or culture,” he said, but added that the Russians were much better trained language-wise. “A Russian agent receives language courses for two years before arriving in Turkey, and once here, they can stay on duty for up to 10 years.”

Turkish and American intelligence agencies were working “very closely” on the Syrian issue, Giraldi said, adding that the U.S. provided Turkey with photographs including satellite pictures and sensitive technical information it normally would not share with anyone. A Turkish intelligence officer “always” accompanies CIA agents in their dealings with officials from the Free Syrian Army, according to Giraldi. “This is not a rule, but that is how things work.”

Giraldi guessed there would be high-ranking agents from France, Germany, Britain and “possibly Greece” near the Turkish-Syrian border, and would operate from the İncirlik Air Base, since it was a NATO base. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, meanwhile, worked in cooperation with the Turkish Foreign Ministry, he added.

‘Everyone is an amateur next to MİT’

Turkish intelligence agents were better than any other agent, and anyone would be considered “an amateur” when it came to regional issues of the Middle East. “A CIA agent, on the other hand, would be far more advanced in technical issues, such as phone tapping, or following people on the ground via satellite imagery.”

Giraldi said the MİT coordinated all intelligence gathering activities related to Syria and worked in coordination with German, French, British and American intelligence services. He said each and every piece of information gathered by the agencies would be shared by all. “You cannot keep any information only to yourself in this environment.”

Intelligence agencies do not take initiatives on their own and have to take the MİT as reference, which is currently acting as a leader, Giraldi said.

“If Turkey was not in the picture, the operations would have been dominated by the CIA,” he said.

Giraldi was the head of the CIA team in Istanbul between 1986 and 1989 during his intelligence career of 18 years.

September 17th, 2012, 12:38 pm

 

Antoine said:

ASSAD , its no use talking to Ghufran. He is NOT interested in anything related to Syria and in fact he is NOT interested at all in this revolution. He only pretends to be a follower of Mannaa. He is a COLLABORATOR and probably a Mukhabarati.

September 17th, 2012, 12:40 pm

 

Antoine said:

512. Son of Damascus said:

“I will NEVER send a single cent of my money to arm anyone to kill!
Every dollar that I have raised or donated has gone to help Syrian refugees, and medical aid to help the wounded civilians and combatants.”

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Well thats your choice but I should remind you that your adamant choice is leading to the killings of many innoccent people, next time please don;t post videos of dead civilians because you should remebember that you are against the arming of the FSA. Amd whoever opposes arming the FSA is a traitor.

September 17th, 2012, 12:46 pm

 

Antoine said:

SOD you have previously questioned my sincerity in engaging with MJABALI and ALDENDESHE in conversation when i have rebuked you for doing the same with ZOO and others,

My answer is I do not consider Mjabali and Dendsehse to be Menhibacks and regime supporters, so I engage with them. I find Mjabali to be an intersting case. Dendeshe on the other hand is mysterious and I have a very serious interest in tracking him and his group.

I am totally a foot-soldoer of this Revolution and its principles.

TARA, you have claimed that you are a small man on the street as well, but I should remind you that you were born in privilege and power.

September 17th, 2012, 12:52 pm

 

Antoine said:

“569. ANN said:

Another Tactical Withdrawal

Syrian army retakes flash point Aleppo district – September 17, 2012”

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Nice spin, but that district ( Midan) was never in control of the FSA, its a central district in the Old City and the FSA was just trying to capture it. They did manage to capture a Police Station until the regime bombed it.

Why hasn’t the regime been able to capture Saif al Dawla yet ?

Its been 2 months, this same Army took 5 hours to cpature East Beirut in 1990.

BALL-LESS INCOMPETENTS.

September 17th, 2012, 12:59 pm

 

Albo said:

568 Syrian
They were not all converted because the monarchs wanted to keep the jizyah, that’s as simple as that.
I do not condone Erin’s way of approaching things, though Gulfies indeed are very corrupt and taint everything they touch. I think a more constructive attitude is necessary, many posters here have interesting and diverse views and should be reached out to.

Zoo is right these talks can be boring but everything is linked, the religious and the political.
in other news someone sent me this map of Aleppo drawn by someone interested in military matters and based on what he reads on several news outlets (made yesterday apparently)
http://imageshack.us/a/img228/1930/syriaaleppo.png

I don’t know about its accuracy, arrows are militias and grey zones are areas retaken by the Syrian Army. It makes sense, though, that the city would become divided by enclaves as in Beirut.

September 17th, 2012, 1:03 pm

 

Citizen said:

Med Gas Fields Discovery Leading to Battle for Wealth in Volatile Middle East
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/09/med-gas-fields-discovery-leading-to.html
…/../…
All in all, the Med gas fields discovery only add yet another dimension to an already volatile situation in the Middle Eastern region. With so many players having direct financial and energy-related interests in the fields, others with indirect interests, and others still who have the potential to be drawn in to any potential confrontations that might result, one thing is clear – the Med is a geopolitical time bomb just waiting to explode.

September 17th, 2012, 1:03 pm

 

Antoine said:

MJABALI,

You have previously talked about the displacement of Alawi civilians in Jabal Turkman, I have top ask you several questions since you are a native of Latakia –

1. Which sect is in an overall majoroty in Jabal Turkman ?

2. What is the difference between Jabal Turkman and Jabal Akrad ?

3. As an Alawi, do you feel more close ( culturally) to the rural Sunnis of Lattakia, like Rabia or Salma, or to the urban Sunnis of Lattakia City ( like Sleibeh or Raml Jnoubi) ??

4. What do you think are the differences between the Turkmans of Reef Latakia, and the rst of Syrian Sunnis ?

5. Why didn’t the Alawis were able to defend their villages ? How is it possible to storm a village without mortars and heavy machineguns ? I have seen the video you linked but as a person with military experience I felt suspicious as to how they could manage to capture the village without first shelling it with mortars. When they entered the village it seemed deserted, where did all the inhabitants go ? Didn’t the Popular Committees try to defend the village ?

Please don’t get agitated and try to answer my questions calmly, I realize that I have much to gain in engaging in conversation with you.

September 17th, 2012, 1:10 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Ann, Zoo.

I’ll help you out. You can respond to Antoine’s repeated question regarding the failure of regime to capture Aleppo within the 10 days as predicted with the following:

DAMASCUS, (SANA) – Prime Minister Dr. Wael al-Halqi on Monday said that the crisis in Syria is in its final stage.

http://sana.sy/eng/21/2012/09/17/442030.htm

September 17th, 2012, 1:13 pm

 

Antoine said:

I have posted this before but the regime thugs still don’t have the answer….

On 4th September a high-ranking regime officer in Aleppo claimed that the regime Army will be able to capture Saif al-Dawla by the next 2 days and the whole of Aleppo within 10 days, it is 17th September today and even Saif al-Dawla is mostly still the frontline. Even Saif al Dawla has not been captured by the regime.

What do the regime supporters have to say about this ?

Do you think the Islamist terrorists have defeated the Syrian Army ?

What can be more shameful for the strongest Army in the Arab world, with 400,000 active duty troops and 700,000 reservists and 5,000 Tanks, to be not able to take abck a few neighborhoods and suburbs from Islamist terrorists for 2 months ?

So is it a FAILURE for the regime and the Army ?

Why don’t they throw in the towel ? Don’t they have any honor left ? Just the FACT that the regime is nowhere close to defeating the rebels should be a cause for Assad to throw in the towel.

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Since I have been asking this question for the kast 5 days and not a single Menhiback has had the bal*s to answer, I ‘ll go on and say that if I was the Syrian Army chief I would have either resigned and thrown in the towel, at the humiliation for not having been able to defeat a small-time militia.

September 17th, 2012, 1:25 pm

 

Antoine said:

I find Syrian-Commando (Twitter shabbiha) to be very funny. Several of his Western and Lebanese friends have repeatedly asked him, worried, as to why the Syrian Army stil haven’t been able to defeat the rebels.

His answer alwayshis, “the rebels are fighting with advanced western weapons”.

ROFLLOL.

One day a recent tweet of his was “Syrian Army facing heavy attrition in Lattakia countryside”.

LOL, in Lattakia, the den of Assads.

September 17th, 2012, 1:42 pm

 

Antoine