The Massacre of Druze Villagers in Qalb Lawza, Idlib Province

By Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi

On 10 June, a number of people in the village of Qalb Lawza- one of a collection of Druze villages in the Jabal al-Summaq region of Idlib province- were massacred in a confrontation with members of Jabhat al-Nusra, which dominates the area.  Below are the names of those killed as a result of this clash. As is apparent from the family and middle names, many of these individuals appear to be close relatives of each other.

1. Sheikh Nadim Faris Shaheen
2. Sheikh Rasheed Sa’ad
3. Milad An’am Allah Razaq
4. Fakher Ahmad al-Shabali
5. Fakhro Ahmad al-Shabali
6. Ahmad Fakhro al-Shabali
7. Man’am Fakhro al-Shabali
8. Faraj Fakhro al-Shabali
9. Muhammad Sharif Aqfali
10. Faraj Fakhro al-Shabali
11. Aymenn Muhammad Aqfali
12. Maymun Muhammad Aqfali
13. Wissam Nazhat Hussein
14. Manhal Nazhat Hussein
15. Melham Faris Shaheen
16. Ahmad Muhammad Hussein
17. Muhammad Ahmad Hussein
18. Badro Khayro al-Shabali
19. Khayro Badro al-Shabali
20. Lami’ Thabit al-Shabali
21.  Hayder Fariz al-Shabali
22. Khayro Thabit al-Shabali
23. Rashad Faysal al-Shabali

MuhammadAqfali
Muhammad Sharif Aqfali (Abu Aymenn)

BadroShabali
Badro Khayro al-Shabali

AymennAqfali
Aymenn Muhammad Aqfali, son of Abu Aymenn above.

MaymunAqfali
Maymun Muhammad Aqfali

RashadShabali
Rashad Faysal al-Shabali

SheikhRasheed
Sheikh Rasheed Sa’ad

AhmadHussein
Ahmad Muhammad Hussein (Abu Muhammad)

Before giving the more immediate context of these killings, it should be noted that Qalb Lawza is one of the Druze villages in Idlib whose inhabitants were compelled at the beginning of this year to renounce the Druze faith and accept Sunni Islam at the hands of Jabhat al-Nusra, including destruction of Druze shrines and other Jabhat al-Nusra regulations such as gender segregation. These impositions have not been cancelled and remain in force to this day, which became clear not only in an interview carried out by Syria Direct in March 2015, but also most recently from the testimony of a resident of another of the villages- Kaftin- who agreed to speak to this author in the aftermath of the massacre on condition of anonymity. This is so despite supposed mediation efforts by Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt, who has tried to convince the Syrian Druze that their best interests will be guaranteed by throwing their weight behind the rebellion, even as Jabhat al-Nusra is heavily intertwined with that rebellion. Indeed, Jumblatt himself acknowledges the group’s important role in the broader insurgency, and has thus tried to downplay its status as a jihadist threat and al-Qa’ida affiliate. Nor have other rebel groups in Idlib province been able to mediate to cancel or mitigate this Islamization program imposed on the Druze of Jabal al-Summaq.

Not only has much media coverage of this latest incident in Qalb Lawza overlooked these facts, but Jabhat al-Nusra leader Abu Muhammad al-Jowlani has also tried to spin his group’s treatment of the Druze in his interview with al-Jazeera that reflects a clear attempt to legitimise the group as a mainstream opposition force: commenting on the interviewer’s praise of Jabhat al-Nusra’s ostensible protection of the Druze villages, Jowlani portrayed his group’s approach as one of mere da’wah (proselytization) and acceptance. It is true that Jabhat al-Nusra has generally not harmed the inhabitants of these villages, but only because they have accepted the imposed Islamization program, which is possible through religious dissimulation: in other words, true faith is in the heart, not outward practice, as one pro-regime Druze contact put it to this author at the time the impositions first came to light. In this context, one should note a statement issued from the village of Kaftin in early May 2015, officially denying allegations of mistreatment. Reading more closely, one soon realises this statement is an affirmation of the acceptance of the imposition of Sunni Islam and a call for other Druze to follow in this path:

“We the peoples of Jabal al-Summaq reject and condemn all who write about the situation of our land and they do not know the truth. The reality in which we live is that we are all well and no one attacks or oppresses us, and we are living in this land and our program/direction is the Book of God [Qur’an] and the Sunnah of His Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). And we confirm that we have the same rights as our Muslim brothers and what is upon them is upon us from the obligations in accordance with what Islamic law demands, as brought in the noble Hadith: ‘…Be brothers, servants of God. The Muslim is the brother of the Muslim: he does not oppress him, nor does he fail him, nor does he despise him…Every Muslim is sacrosanct on the Muslim, including his blood, wealth and honour.’ As for what has been mentioned in the media regarding the opening of our homes to our Muslim brothers, we have undertaken our human and Shari’a obligation, and we have offered aid to the poor.

And we confirm that we have been present in our land for thousands of years and no one has been able to make us leave, force us to migrate, or challenge our Arab identity because we are genuine Arabs from the descendants of Qahtan. We have roots in history and deep ethnic and primordial roots in Arab identity and Islam. And our Ansar ancestors who supported Our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in al-Madina al-Munawara, and when a part of our affair was reduced, our poet, the companion Nu’man bin Bashir al-Ansari said:

[…]

On the basis of the guidance of our Prophet al-Mustafa (PBUH), indeed religion is advice and we call on all to return to the authentic Book of God…and that (God) place us and them among the guided guiders calling to God the Lord of the Worlds. And we urge all who have deviated from the authentic path through ignorance or knowingly to correct their path and return to the straight path […]

Kaftin: 20 Rajab  1436 AH”

Unlike the Druze areas of the south, which have seen many soldiers fight and die for the Syrian army even as resistance to conscription has grown, the Druze villages of Jabal al-Summaq have generally been known for a neutral stance towards the conflict, while giving refuge to displaced persons, as the Kaftain statement also affirms. This author’s contact from Kaftin, for instance, claims to have hosted 80 displaced people since the regime first attacked the villages that rose up in revolt. He also says only a handful of people from Jabal al-Summaq have joined armed groups in this conflict.

However, since becoming dominant in Jabal al-Summaq, Jabhat al-Nusra has been confiscating properties in the area of people living outside the villages, either giving them to their own members to dwell in or to internally displaced persons. In the latest case in Qalb Lawza, Jabhat al-Nusra seems to have tried to confiscate the home of a man living in regime-held Syria, on the grounds that he is a soldier in the regime army. This home though was apparently within the property of relatives of the man, who confronted members of the group as they were trying to build a wall on the property, eventually leading to an opening of fire on residents by the Jabhat al-Nusra members.

In a statement on the incident in Qalb Lawza, Jabhat al-Nusra describes the event as an “unjustified error that occurred without the leadership’s knowledge, and the village and its people continue to live securely and calmly under our protection and in areas of our control,” while declaring that those involved in the mishap will come before a Shari’a court to ascertain what happened and decide on the appropriate rulings. Further, Jabhat al-Nusra claims it has only directed its arms against those who have infringed on the “blood and honour of the Muslims from the gangs of the criminal Nusayri [Alawite] army, the heretic khawarij [Islamic State] and the gangs of the corrupt ones,” while portraying itself as transparent: “the doors of Jabhat al-Nusra are open to all.” Yet the statement makes no explicit reference to Druze at all, and in talking of defending Muslims, sugarcoats the real reason why the inhabitants of this village and others in Jabal al-Summaq are officially protected.

A number of rebel groups (Ahrar al-Sham, Levant Front, Ajnad al-Sham Islamic Union, Kata’ib Thuwar al-Sham, ‘Go on the Right Path as You Have Been Ordered’ grouping) also issued a joint statement on the incident, differing somewhat from Jabhat al-Nusra’s account of the events in that Ahrar al-Sham is given the role of mediator and putting a stop to the bloodshed. Unlike Jabhat al-Nusra, the statement explicitly makes reference to “sons of the Druze sect” in reference to Qalb Lawza, and hails their “support for the Syrian revolution and giving refuge to the sons of their homeland who have fled from all areas of Idlib province under pressure of the bombing of the Assad regime and its criminal actions.” The statement continues with a condemnation of the incident,  a call for neutral Shari’a court arbitration, a declaration of the incident as a contravention of Islam that forbids the unjust spilling of blood of members of any sect, and a promise to work to coordinate with members of all other sects to prevent this kind of incident from happening again in “liberated areas.” Declaring (like Jabhat al-Nusra’s statement) that arms are only to be directed at the regime, the Islamic State and their allies, the joint declaration concludes with an ostensible non-sectarian stance that the “revolution is a people’s revolution.”

Impressive as the joint statement may sound, it is still problematic in overlooking the point that Jabhat al-Nusra has forced the Druze of Jabal al-Summaq to profess Sunni Islam, and there is little these rebel groups can do about it. Indeed, considering how closely they have all coordinated particularly in the recent Idlib gains that have almost entirely expelled the regime presence from Idlib, the other rebels cannot afford a full-blown confrontation with Jabhat al-Nusra.

More generally, Jabhat al-Nusra’s treatment of the Druze of Idlib reflects two different strands of the group that have emerged. On the one hand, in areas it dominates/controls as strongholds, the group exhibits a more hardline face through its Dar al-Qada judicial front body and its implementation of Islamic law, even though there is no pretence to being a complete state in the manner the Islamic State presents itself: that is, whereas the Islamic State claims its own services departments like the Diwan al-Khidamat, in its own strongholds Jabhat al-Nusra appears to allow independent civilian service councils to function. On the other hand, Jabhat al-Nusra’s embedding within the Jaysh al-Fatah coalition and its advances reflects the traditional picture of the group that emerged over the course of the Syrian civil war as a conciliatory force willing to work with other factions militarily and in administration of newly taken areas, only pursuing a very gradualist strategy of consolidation.

Finally, analysts should consider how this incident in Qalb Lawza will resonate with the Druze in the south as rebels edge into Suwayda province with the fight over Tha’ala airbase. More mainstream rebels in the south may try to reassure the Druze they have no interest in sectarian bloodshed, but the ongoing coordination with Jabhat al-Nusra may prevent the alleviation of concerns regarding the rebels’ intentions.

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351. omen said:

339. Akbar Palace said: OK. As you can probably tell, I am not much of a book reader. I tend to read lots of short news articles and history.

he wasn’t showing off his book learnin’. he was paying respect to jewish intellectuals. i too share in his appreciation. it’s been so called neocons who have been vocal above others in calling for a no-fly zone to be implemented over syria which would have spared many civilian lives. politically, im not a conservative but iran/syria is the only issue they get right.

(dont let this go to your head.)

p.s. Click on some of the arab village names in the following link and look at some of the beautiful arab homes Majedkhaldoun. This is progress.

i couldnt find these pics. can you repost them?

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June 29th, 2015, 8:14 pm

 

352. omen said:

348. ALAN said: Christianity failed in the mission Jesus left for it.

speaking of jewish intellectuals, stop disappointing jesus, alan, you’re making him cry.

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June 29th, 2015, 8:29 pm

 

353. Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

Go to this website. Scroll down, you will see a list of major arab villages in Israel, each with a link showing views of the towns. Beautiful really. Gems. Arabs (like me) do not seem to put up with apartments/flats. They build huge homes and I love them.

The number one responsibility of a leader, is to protect the homeland. Israelis leaders have done that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

If you want other similar websites, let me know.

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June 29th, 2015, 9:34 pm

 

354. Tara said:

Akbar,

From your own link: how can you defend a state that considered intermarriage between its citizens treason ?

Opposition to intermarriage
Intermarriage is prohibited by the Jewish Halakha.[221] In the case of mixed Arab-Jewish marriages, emotions run especially high. A 2007 opinion survey found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage was equivalent to national treason. A group of Jewish men in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Pisgat Ze’ev started patrolling the neighborhood to stop Jewish women from dating Arab men. The municipality of Petah Tikva has also announced an initiative to providing a telephone hotline for friends and family to report Jewish girls who date Arab men as well as psychologists to provide counselling. The city of Kiryat Gat launched a campaign in schools to warn Jewish girls against dating local Bedouin men.[222][223]

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June 29th, 2015, 9:57 pm

 

355. Akbar Palace said:

Democracy is the dictatorship of majority, , point in case is the homosexual marriage approved recently 5 to 4 in the US, I hope I am not going to be punished for saying I do not accept that, it is proven it causes the spread of AIDES and those who has AIDES are susceptible to infectious, bacterial and viral, and they will be the source of spreading such diseases, they will hurt other people, this is not freedom, I do not know if things I touch if they were handled by such people, it impinges on my freedom

Majedkhaldoun,

Like you, homosexuality is odd to me and certainly forbidden for those who practice the main 3 religions. But homosexuals do not “impinge on MY freedom”, how do they impinge on yours?

You can only get aids if you shares needles or have sex with an infected person. I am not going to throw a homosexual off the top of a building, hold a gun against his head or anything of the kind. They aren’t hurting me in the slightest by living their lifestyle.

There is no such thing as the dictatorship of the majority. In all manner of life, decisions are accepted by a majority while minority rights are preserved.

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June 29th, 2015, 9:58 pm

 

356. Majedkhaldoun said:

AP
You did not understand what I wrote, homosexuals with AIDS Cary viral and bacterial infections easily ,thus help spreading diseases more,have you not heared about a dentist with aids several of his patients came with pneumonia?

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June 29th, 2015, 10:38 pm

 

357. omen said:

if we were smurfs:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/199128207/Tel_Aviv_Flower.jpg

see what i did? this is proper etiquette for posting photos. it’s impolite to send people on a wild goose chase, clicking on a thousand links just to hunt for the thing you are referencing.

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June 30th, 2015, 12:32 am

 

358. omen said:

from tara‘s cite upthread:

Hezbollah has also incurred significant material losses in Syria. Because of the Syrian regime’s inability to cope with its various military challenges, the party had to in-crease its level of involvement, sending more troops to fight in Syria, including elite troops as well as young fighters. Hezbollah normally regards using young fighters in battles as a positive development because it gives those fighters valuable experience.

However, this only works when involvement is on a limited scale. In Syria, Hezbollah has incurred losses in lives estimated to be in the thousands, with a quarter being from Hezbollah’s elite troops (the party itself has only admitted to losing few hundred men in Syria, but on the ground reports from other sources estimate the figure to be much higher. No official confirmed figures exist as Hezbollah is careful not to disseminate sensitive information about its military wing).7 This has led it to rely on young fighters out of necessity not strategy, and has weakened its military capacity.

who benefits from obama’s unconscionable inaction resulting in prolonging genocide?

ISRAEL

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June 30th, 2015, 12:45 am

 

359. Mina said:

KSA diplomats’ main activity: spying on their students abroad and promoting Wahhabism
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/06/27/secret-australia-saudi-deal-intelligence/14353272002053#.VZI487yfF0w

Why don’t they first spy on their own defense minister’s funny behaviour?
http://youtu.be/Pp4XmGmdu_w

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June 30th, 2015, 4:17 am

 

360. Akbar Palace said:

From your own link: how can you defend a state that considered intermarriage between its citizens treason ?

Tara,

Thanks for the question. First of all, I’m not here just to “defend” Israel all the time. That’s not my main purpose here. My main purpose is for me to learn from people who know other areas of the ME and try to build bridges between us.

The State of Israel has very convoluted laws concerning marriage. It’s messy and antiquated. It needs a lot of improvement, so I’m not here to defend it, but I may help to explain it.

First of all intermarriage is not “treason”. That word was used in an “Electronic Intifada” article, so please skip the anti-Israel websites if you’re interested in objectivity!

According to Haaretz, 10% of Israeli marriages are inter-faith marriages, and no one has been thrown in jail because of it. The dumb thing is that all inter-faith marriages have to be performed outside of Israel, and that’s the law for all Israelis whether jewish, muslim or christian.

Of course, the respective communities do what they can to prevent intermarriage, and again, that includes all 3 major religions, where parents and relatives usually try to get their children to marry in the faith.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/shavuot/.premium-1.596678

http://www.haaretz.com/misc/iphone-article/.premium-1.596576

http://www.itim.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/The-real-reason-intermarriage-is-bad-for-the-Jews-Shavuot-2014-Israel-News-_-Haaretz.pdf

On another note, I saw this article this morning. I call it the “rump state” article. I see nothing in the article showing the GOI gives two figs about propping up the ophthalmologist and his gucci wife.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-says-syrias-assad-may-left-rump-state-090814945.html

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June 30th, 2015, 7:08 am

 

361. Observer said:

Mjabali
your latest post proved my point 100%.

Reading my words is only seen in the prism of the 1000 years of oppression of the Alawis by the Sunnis.

The flight to foreign powers is not exclusive to minorities as today Sunnis have flocked to Turkey and GCC and KSA and what have you. The point is that oppression undermines citizenship and loyalty. As for saying that I call for violence, this is pure hogwash on your part.

Just for the record I am an atheist; I have read the Bible and the New Testament and the Quran and for the life of me I cannot believe. I have no belief. If God exists he is nothing like the God of the Bible or the New Testament or the Quran.

The tragedy is that Hafez gave a say and a hope for the sect but could not move beyond that to a true Syrian National Identity or an Arab one for that matter.

Now the sect is stuck between IS (which is negotiating with the regime by the way) and the regime. In this they are now sharing the fate of millions of Syrians.

What a perfect storm of stupidity and arrogance and haughtiness and sense of superiority brought the country to its knees.

I do think that dividing the country is the solution at this stage.

Ghufran says that the regime has to go: tell us how please.

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June 30th, 2015, 7:10 am

 

362. Observer said:

By the way calling me names and this and that is truly beneath your intellect and your contributions to the post. Grow up

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June 30th, 2015, 7:12 am

 

363. Akbar Palace said:

see what i did? this is proper etiquette for posting photos. it’s impolite to send people on a wild goose chase, clicking on a thousand links just to hunt for the thing you are referencing.

Thanks Omen,

It was not a wild goose chase. Just scroll toward the bottom and you’ll see numerous links to all the major arab-israeli cities and towns. There are too many for me to post, and this website makes it EASY for you (or anyone else). You’ll enjoy the pics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

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June 30th, 2015, 7:24 am

 

364. Observer said:

Hey this is going to be a good read Mjabali

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/I/bo19211851.html

I also think the book by Ziad Hafez is also a good read, forgot the title though

One more book is by Mahmasani that I have to send you the title at one point.

Cheers

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June 30th, 2015, 7:45 am

 

365. Observer said:

It is in French here it is

https://books.google.com/books/about/La_pensée_religieuse_en_islam_contempor.html?id=eX6BMAEACAAJ&hl=en

And here is the other one, I read it recently and I think that he is not very convincing as he premisses the book on being a believer which I am not therefore he could not get all of his points to me fully

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Retrospect-Recovering-Maher-Mahmassani/dp/1566569222

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June 30th, 2015, 7:48 am

 

366. SimoHurtta said:

340. AKBAR PALACE said:

Well Akbar it obviously does not bother you Israeli Jews to ignore the >20 % share of Palestinian citizens…

Sim,

Your obsession with Israel is quite remarkable. That is why I think most of the posters here are tired of you. I think they would prefer to see that your “obsession” includes arabs who are getting killed by arabs and not just what arabs are getting paid in jewish settlements.

Meanwhile, Israel has both a higher population and GDP than your lovely country, Finland, so I think that is why arab-Israelis are not demonstrating against Israel as much as they used to. They know they have a good thing Sim.

Akbar if I compare the thumbs up votes I get and what you get, I would not not make the conclusion, that the readers are tired to my rather few comments. They seem to be very tired to your numerous comments based on their number of thumbs down votes. If you Akbar and your fellows in IDF’s internet forces enforced with the vocal Sunni Propaganda Center’s “personnel” would not promote Israel with all possible means here, it would reduce also the number of reply comments your extended clan gets. Of course your constant praising of the non-existent democracy and equality in Israel deserves some correcting comments.

Well Akbar Iran has a higher population and GDP than your terrible country Israel has. Normal people in this kind of comparison situation and debate use GDP/person comparison, but not obviously you Israeli Jews. This lack of economic education leads to a fast propaganda disaster and so loosing the debate. The GDP per person in Finland is considerably higher what it is in J-Reich (=Israel). Finland with a 35% percent smaller population managed to produce a GDP which is almost the same as Israel’s. The GDP(nominal)/person in Finland is $49 thousand in Israel $36 thousand.

It equals a hilarious comedy reading your comment (353) of the BIG houses Israeli Arabs have. You poor misguided sole do not obviously know that Israeli Arabs (citizens) rarely get any building permits, not to mention the faith of the Israeli citizens who are Bedouins. Big houses-simply funny. Big house then Jewish Caterpillar and rife men come and hups – no house and a homeless large family.

342. AKBAR PALACE said:
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Sim, did you find any RT articles about wages in other ME countries yet?

Akbar the Jew-el of Mankind the RT report made by an excellent Jewish reporter was about how Jewish settlers are using on stolen land Palestinian children in inhumane working conditions with laughable salaries on their farms and green houses. In the normal Jewish Israeli style the formal Jewish explanation was that it is not their fault – the Palestinian Middle man is guilty. Using child labor is illegal in Israel, but not on Israeli occupied areas which are fully under Israeli control (Jordan valley for example). These Palestinian families in those regions are driven to total poverty (IDF has often destroyed their buildings and assets) and the settlers have stolen the lands so that Palestinians have no option. The Pal children have to quit school and go to work for the Chosen People. Hmmm….

I can not understand why should the land thieves of Israel be allowed to use Palestinian children in heavy farm work using strong poisons. In your mind obviously you can, because in poor developed countries exists using child labor. Well they do it because they have often no option. You greedy bastards there have an option and you do it simply to get bigger profits.


339. AKBAR PALACE said:
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Most jews consider themselves to be part of a people, “The Jewish People”. Many of “us” fall into orthodox, conservative and reform in terms of religion. MANY do not practice the religion, understand the religion, many are atheist and some may practice another religion.

Hilarious Akbar. Name some Israeli Jews who are also officially and publicly Muslims in Israel and still have the rights/status of Jews in Israel. May practice indeed – in secret. What Akbar if a Jew marries a Occupied Palestinian – can the Occupied Palestinian spouse move to Israel and get citizenship? To make question even more interesting, can that happen also when the Jewish spouse converts to Islam – officially? the Hmmmm… freedom of religion in Israeli Jewish style.

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June 30th, 2015, 9:53 am

 

367. ALAN said:

It is a trick, that they called this site Syria Comment. More appropriately be called Jewish site ( attributed to the large number of articles made by Jews from all over the world even from Jews of Australia) or you can call it the Zionists site or the team of Freemasons etc …

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June 30th, 2015, 12:10 pm

 

368. ALAN said:

the Kurds need to remember that they are nothing but instruments in the geopolitical calculus of the USA, and have nothing at all to look forward to the hands of the Evil Empire but repeated betrayal.

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June 30th, 2015, 12:43 pm

 

369. ALAN said:

“Temporarily with us could handle a global coalition of the goyim; but on this side, we provided those deep roots of discord between them, which are already impossible to tear. We are opposed to each other personal and national calculations of the goyim, religious and tribal hatred, we have grown in their hearts for twenty centuries. All this means that none of the countries will not meet nowhere to support its outstretched hand, because everyone has to think that the agreement against us is unprofitable to himself. “

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June 30th, 2015, 1:04 pm

 

370. majedkhaldoun said:

any new hostility that we may see in the next few days, will be opposed by the Assad supporters, it will be directed against the criminal ISIS, and against the Arab Enemy

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June 30th, 2015, 2:00 pm

 

371. omen said:

assad could have been finished off in 2013 after the ghouta gassing. thanks to israel, he remains today continuing to kill the innocent. this rationale that explains why israel plotted to rescue assad. an extraordinary scheme that rebounded in iran’s favor.

Israel still viewed Iran as its natural ally against the Arabs.

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June 30th, 2015, 4:10 pm

 

372. omen said:

My main purpose is for me to learn from people who know other areas of the ME and try to build bridges between us.

israel plotting to keep assad in power is not building bridges. bashar could have been gone in 2013 if it weren’t for netanyahu’s treachery.

israel passed up a chance of a lifetime. helping to remove assad would have revolutionized how the arab world viewed the country. but noo. even you have balked against israel being interventionist. israel had a chance to midwive a new regional ally (syrians would have been indebted for the assistance) but zionists’ anti-arab bigotry blinded them to common sense.

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June 30th, 2015, 4:41 pm

 

373. Uzair8 said:

What’s Mrs Assad been up to lately? It seems so quiet on that end. You’d have thought she would have her hands full with non-stop and much publicized meetings with mothers of dead troops/shabeeha, particularly after the beatings the regime has taken in 2015.

I suppose they would rather not publicize such meetings now as it would only highlight the scale of losses.

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June 30th, 2015, 5:43 pm

 

374. Tara said:

362. OBSERVER said:

By the way calling me names and this and that is truly beneath your intellect and your contributions to the post. Grow up

Observer,

Beneath one’s intellect assuming there is intellect to have something beneath it. I do not see much of that. I only see Ibn Taimiehs of the 21 century, Alawi version

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June 30th, 2015, 8:56 pm

 

375. Tara said:

Akbar

First of all intermarriage is not “treason”. That word was used in an “Electronic Intifada” article, so please skip the anti-Israel websites if you’re interested in objectivity!

The excerpt I posted was from the link you posted to omen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel not from an electronic intifada article

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June 30th, 2015, 9:03 pm

 

376. Akbar Palace said:

israel plotting to keep assad in power is not building bridges.

Omen,

With all due respect, the article you posted doesn’t prove anything. The writer is a conspiracy theorist.

Repeat after me, “Israel does not control the world.”

Tara,

My mistake.

In the article I posted the word treason came up once:

A 2007 opinion survey found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage was equivalent to national treason.

What Jews “believe” is not law. Religious families and followers of all religions always strongly urge their children to marry in their faith, so that’s not a surprise. As I showed earlier today, about 5 to 10% of all marriages in Israel are intermarriages:

According to various organizations that follow these trends, some five to 10 percent of all Israeli couples today are intermarried.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/shavuot/.premium-1.596678

Speaking of “treason”, apparently selling property to Jews is treason. Boy, if the shoe were on the other foot…

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/129865/death-those-who-sell-homes-jews-arnold-ahlert

The GDP per person in Finland is considerably higher what it is in J-Reich (=Israel).

Sim,

Your obsession and anti-semitism has really gotten the better of you.

Palestinians working in Israel are one of the highest paid arabs in the Middle East.

But we understand the working of anti-semites like yourself. You would rather fault jews than fault the real enemies of the arabs like their despotic leaders. Fine with me. So while arabs are starving all around the Middle East and the Saudis, Assads, Hamas and Iran are investing their billions in stocks, candle sticks, concrete underground tunnels and nuclear weapons, respectively, I am sure you will be crying about Palestinians being mistreated by your joo bogeyman.

http://www.haaretz.com/business/.premium-1.531397

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-workers-protest-new-minimum-wage-law/

http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinians-earn-more-working-for-israelis-than-in-pa-survey-shows/

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June 30th, 2015, 10:04 pm

 

377. omen said:

remember, this is the same israeli government who engineered a faux deal that bought assad time and allowed the mofo to remain in power.

360. Akbar Palace said: On another note, I saw this article this morning. I call it the “rump state” article. I see nothing in the article showing the GOI gives two figs about propping up the ophthalmologist and his gucci wife.

excerpt:

TEL AVIV (Reuters) – A senior Israeli defense official said President Bashar al-Assad controlled just a fifth of Syria and may end up in charge of a rump state dominated by his minority Alawite sect.

Israel and its neighbor Syria are long-term enemies, but the remarks by Amos Gilad, strategic adviser to Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon, reflect concerns by states across the region that Syria is undergoing a de facto partition after four years of civil war.

“Syria is gone. Syria is dying. The funeral will be declared in due time. This Bashar Assad, he will be remembered in history textbooks as the one who lost Syria,” Gilad told an intelligence conference organized by the Israel Defense journal on Monday.

“Until now he has lost 75 percent of Syria … He is, practically, governor of 20 percent of Syria. And his future, if I may predict it, is shrinking all of the time. And maybe we will have him as the president of ‘Alawistan’,” Gilad added.

this is what the defense official is saying now – but amos gilad confessed something else in 2011:

We may recall the 16 November 2011 statement of one of the senior most defense advisors of Israeli Government, Amos Gilad, saying thus: “The downfall of Assad will mean the end of Israel; the aftermath of the downfall of Assad will be catastrophic for Israel. It will lead to the end of Israel and will result in the appearance of an Islamic empire in the Middle East “

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here you have it, the smoking gun:

“The downfall of Assad will mean the end of Israel”

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June 30th, 2015, 10:17 pm

 

378. Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

OK, you finally made your case, posted your reference and the “smoking gun”.

Yippee!

Now, I am not familiar with this guy Amos Gilad, but how did his opinion about the “…the end of Israel…” translate to Israel “aiding” the Syrian government??

Here’s an article showing Gilad stressing that Israel isn’t doing anything to “topple” Assad, right after Israel bombed Iranian and Hezbollah weapons passing through Syria. Gee, I’m sure assad was relieved!

http://www.timesofisrael.com/assad-is-in-total-control-of-his-weapons-systems-says-top-defense-official/

Then here is a later article showing Gilad saying:

“Al-Qaeda threat not as serious as Syria-Iran-Hezbollah axis”

http://www.bicom.org.uk/news-article/13169/

Omen,

Now that we have the “smoking gun”, what military equipment, weapons and IDF soldiers did the GOI supply Assad to keep him in power?

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June 30th, 2015, 11:10 pm

 

379. omen said:

378. Akbar Palace said: OK, you finally made your case

im not done, im just getting warmed up.

my argument doesn’t hang on one quote. there are separate puzzle pieces when you join together, draw a big picture and solidifies what michael oren testifies to here:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.661336

Israel was instrumental in helping United States President Barack Obama climb down from his threat to bomb Syria in 2013 if it violated his “red line” against using chemical weapons, according to a new book by former Israeli ambassador to Washington Michael Oren.

Omen, Now that we have the “smoking gun”, what military equipment, weapons and IDF soldiers did the GOI supply Assad to keep him in power?

i never even suggested this scenario. try not to put words in my mouth.

Here’s an article showing Gilad stressing…

unless he acknowledged having been mistaken, what amos gilad said later on does not undue, cancel out or revoke what he said in 2011:

“The downfall of Assad will mean the end of Israel”

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July 1st, 2015, 12:35 am

 

380. omen said:

376. Akbar Palace said: Omen, With all due respect, the article you posted doesn’t prove anything. The writer is a conspiracy theorist.

it’s an established fact reported in mainstream sources: israel helped supply iran during iran/iraq war. something covered by israeli media, investigated and confirmed by israeli journos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

if israel & iran were allies before, it shouldnt be so surprising to consider possibility they might resume being allies again. they both share a common enemy, a hatred of all things arab.

israel’s crooked deal that spared assad was a gift to iran.

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July 1st, 2015, 12:54 am

 

381. Akbar Palace said:

im not done, im just getting warmed up.

Omen,

That’s fine. I’m not here to put anyone down, I just need hard proof. As you know, I find the ME is shoulder deep in conspiracy theories, so I’ve heard it all. I am willing to believe you if you have sufficient evidence.

Your link above was a good link. This guy Gilad is certainly a high government official. But 1 government official’s opinion usually doesn’t translate into a major policy change. In terms of Syria, there is NO WAY Israel is going to step into the fray and support Assad like say they supported the SLA in Lebanon. No way, shape or form, and if you can prove I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to eat my words.

if israel & iran were allies before, it shouldnt be so surprising to consider possibility they might resume being allies again. they both share a common enemy, a hatred of all things arab.

Omen,

That was 30 years ago. The Iran/Iran War was very localized and there were no al-Queda, ISIS, al-Nusra crazies around at that time gobbling up the ME. Sure anything is possible.

The link above was also a good link. Apparently Israel provided about $500 million worth of military equipment to Iran in the early ’80s.

Meanwhile, relations were still very cool and Iran continued to deny and relationship with Israel. So, basically, Israel made suome money, but that’s about it. Iran today is Israel’s biggest enemy.

israel’s crooked deal that spared assad was a gift to iran.

I’m still fuzzy about this “deal”, so if you have links describing it for me, I’d appreciate it. I mean, if you think about it, why should Israel take out Assad so ISIS and Nusra control the country? Assad was such a reliable protector of Israel’s frontier! So if Israel is guilty of anything, she is guilty of not choosing sides in the Syria civil war. That’s how I see it.

(BTW, let’s carrying this discussion onto the new thread, it’s getting hard to load 400 posts)

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July 1st, 2015, 8:33 am

 

382. ALAN said:

/Your obsession and anti-semitism has really gotten the better of you./
/But we understand the working of anti-semites like yourself./
صه !
Not ashamed for anyone to be against the Zionism but not against Semitism
You are linguistic intentional fraud

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July 1st, 2015, 9:39 am

 

383. Akbar Palace said:

Alan,

Anyone who doesn’t permit JOOS the right to protect themselves is an anti-semite plain and simple and without “linguistic intentional fraud”.

Furthermore, when people accuse JOOS for perceived “crimes” but do not accuse non-jews for much worse crimes, then again, said people are anti-semites. I can take criticism of Israel from many people (like Omen), because he also can criticize his own people equally (Assad).

See Alan, there’s logic to everything. Just admit it Alan. You wouldn’t be the first anti-semite or the last.

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July 1st, 2015, 10:49 am

 

384. ALAN said:

Asghar
From your comments, without a doubt, can be sure that you are Zionist. The Zionists, in their ideology and nature are anti-Semites. Therefore, you Owned prohibited to talk about anti-Semitism.
By the way, you’re here, initially well to educate before you play the role of a lecturer for everyone and on everything.
No need to use a horror of anti-Semitism (especially with us Semites) to distort the correctness of questions.

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July 1st, 2015, 11:29 am

 

385. Akbar Palace said:

Ahlan says, “Freedom for me, but not for You” NewZ

From your comments, without a doubt, can be sure that you are Zionist.

Ahlan,

I consider that a compliment. And you’re an anti-semite (both anti-jewish and anti-arab).

And anyone supporting a self-elected President-for-Life who refused for 40+ years to provide basic freedoms can’t be too intelligent.

Glad I live in the US.

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July 1st, 2015, 12:54 pm

 

386. ALAN said:

345. MAJEDKHALDOUN said:
/point in case is the homosexual marriage/

CJSC “Ilim Pulp Enterprise”
It founded in 1992. Among the co-founders of JSC “Fintsell,” which established the company CJSC “Ilim Pulp Enterprise”, besides Zahar Davidovich Smushkin brothers Zingarevich included DA Medvedev, the third President of the Russian Federation. In the JSC “Fintsell” Medvedev owned 50%, and “Ilim Pulp Enterprise” – 20%.
Today, shares of “Ilim” transferred to the ownership of the Swiss company Ilim Holding, which is owned in equal parts American International Paper and Russian shareholders (including the chairman of the board of directors of Zahar Davidovich Smushkin, members of the Board of Directors Boris and Mikhail Zingarevich, Leonid Erukhimovich).
“The classic combination of Swiss poluoofshora, American roof Davidovich Zingarevich and Erukhimovich and Kremlin officials.”
Thus, it appears that a strange kind of senator caught in a filing with the SF Jewish-American groups that are directly related to the prime minister of Russia Medvedev proposes to legalize the Russian Orthodox sodomy.

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July 1st, 2015, 1:46 pm

 

387. omen said:

100. Once again all the minorities want the majority to be secular and national while they remain minorities with sect based privileges.

so illuminating. you dont see an examination of minority sects’ selfish double standard highlighted in write-ups on syria. part of their fear anticipating a post-assad reality must stem from seeing their future prospects slipping away. this explains their irrational bigotry and their lashing out at imagined slights. which seems to me manifestations of various stages of grief.

loyalists need to work thru their grief in mourning a passing order.

i really admire ob’s sympathy for mj. healing begins by recognizing one another’s pain.

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July 1st, 2015, 10:44 pm

 

388. omen said:

386. ALAN said: directly related to the prime minister of Russia Medvedev proposes to legalize the Russian Orthodox sodomy.

putin already has a monopoly in screwing over the russian masses.

this was an interesting perspective:

Parliament of Lithuania reminds Russia it’s illegitimate after overthrow and murder of king

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July 1st, 2015, 11:36 pm

 

389. omen said:

245. Tara

that made me laugh. i have a fondness for turning-the-table/judo tactics and that was pretty deft. i meant to thank you earlier but didnt want you think i was sucking up. forgive my lacking in social graces.

373. Uzair8

good to see you again, hope you are well. you need to post more often!

350. SANDRO LOEWE

i was hoping you’d show up & you did.

383. Akbar Palace – I can take criticism of Israel from many people (like Omen), because he also can criticize his own people equally (Assad).

god forbid, assad isnt my own people. just for the record, as our resident 40 year old virgin/stalker inexplicably took pains to note, im not arab, muslim nor syrian. im christian/californian, if that matters. neither am i a granny. little brat must need one but dont look in my direction.

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July 2nd, 2015, 7:30 am

 

390. Why the Middle East’s warring enemies are competing to win over the Druze | Scroll CMS said:

[…] Druze villages, it accepted a truce with the advancing Nusra Front. The deal included a rigid “Islamisation” programme setting out rules for religious minorities’ […]

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