The Kurds and the PKK in Ashrafiye, Aleppo

Aron Lund from Sweden writes: (See his excellent Syrian Jihadism)

Dear Joshua,

I saw your latest post on Aleppo. Big things going on, but the situation in Kurdish Ashrafiye may have been misreported. The PYD/PKK is insistent that it remains in control of Ashrafiye, with no FSA or government presence at all. They blame the regime for indiscriminate artillery fire on the area which killed 15 people, and have put out a harsh statement on this.

But PYD also says that its YPG militia had previously stopped the FSA from entering. According to them, a 60-man FSA force moved into a part of the neighborhood and opened fire on government forces from there. This threatened to draw counter-fire on Ashrafiye, and PYD would have none of it. So YPG put up roadblocks and pushed the FSA out, “with no significant fighting”. It now claims to have Ashrafiye under total control, as before, and urges citizens to remain calm and not flee the neighborhood.

How that squares with FSA claims to have negotiated passage through Ashrafiye to attack gov posts is another story. The army’s shelling of the area was almost certainly intended as punishment for FSA activity in Ashrafiye, and it does seem likely that the FSA group would have had to secure YPG permission before going through, if that’s indeed what happened.

PYD statements seem to be playing to both sides. On the one hand, they blame the regime for the killings (which also included Arab and Turkmen casualties). On the other hand, they clarify that the PYD ban on rebel fighters in Kurdish neighborhoods remains in force, and that the YPG is prepared to fight any intruders. This is presumably a way to save the de facto non-belligerence pact they’ve had with the army, and avoid Kurdish casualties if and when the situation in Aleppo unravels. So in political terms, they’re restating Kurdish neutrality, and telling everyone involved to take their war elsewhere.

best, Aron L.

Here is a quote from his report Syrian Jihadism

“The Syrian civil war is a sectarian conflict – among other things. It is also a conflict along socio-economic and urban-rural lines, a classic countryside jacquerie against an exploitative central government, albeit internally divided by the country’s religious divisions, which cut across other patterns of identity and loyalty. Then there is a political dimension to the struggle, with Bashar el-Assad’s loyalists battling to preserve the current power structure against demands for democratization and economic redistribution. And, last but not least, the conflict has transformed into a proxy war for influence among several regional and international powers, adding another layer of complexity. “  Aron Lund

Fadi Yacob writes on facebook
My cousin in Syrian al-Jadide (سريان الجديدة) posted 7 hours ago that the FSA entered the neighborhood. An hour later she posted that the Syrian Army intervened and the FSA left.
Here is video from Syrian satellite TV showing some Christians from al-Syriaan al-Jadide welcoming the Syrian Army back into the area. They tell the story of how rebel sharpshooters took up positions on top of buildings during the day, but retreated when the army arrived. (sent by Brian Souter)

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151. Jarthouma said:

“It’s no use to posting any interesting articles anymore…..”

Zoo the dejected duck love buddy

Let us translate from Assadist picture alphabet. No use coping and pasting anymore and meti will never give me the profound Kantian inspiration to respond to difficult moral questions like

Do I burn all of Syria for Assad or do I leave the occasional Qard7han whore house

Therefore I must pack my bags and leave

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October 27th, 2012, 11:27 pm

 

152. Jarthouma said:

Habib you are used to the word salad of your dick god. Why should you complain ?

Sorry did I say dick ? I meant duck. Profound apologies

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October 27th, 2012, 11:31 pm

 

153. syrian said:

145. zoo said:
“The take over of SC by Amjad of Saudi Arabia raising from his web web grave with his thugs has started.”
12 hours earlier

“87. zoosaid:
“Yes, Abboud or his mate is back, filthier then ever
One wonders what happened to him in the last few months to be so obsessed by STD’s”
You asked for it. Don’t be crying foul now when you started it.
So put up or shut up.

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October 27th, 2012, 11:39 pm

 

154. Visitor said:

Aljazeera presents a documentary exposing the criminal regime’s role in the last Eid’s massacre of over 700 victims in Daraya,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/0bcdc33b-3374-49a1-a1b3-fc959ef40144?GoogleStatID=9

“داريا… أخوة العنب والدم”

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October 27th, 2012, 11:51 pm

 

155. Jarthouma said:

Visitor, may Allah make the innocent of Daraya martyrs and a continuous symbol of resistance against this fascist sadistic regime

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October 28th, 2012, 12:00 am

 

156. Syrialover said:

Jarthouma,

Come on, point made. Time to lift the game.

This already endangered forum is getting harder to read.

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October 28th, 2012, 12:09 am

 

157. Amjad of Arabia said:

Syrialover

“If he actually has a thing (doubtful), they would need a strong microscope to see it and precision tweezers to hold it.”

Hehehe, judging by his squeaky voice, I think Asma was really disappointed on her wedding night. Come to think of it, she had been spending alot of time in Homs. Maybe she was making up for the lack of manly Qurdahan comfort by finding a Homsi replacement, with a beefcake Homsi with lots of sexual vigor. Someone check Abdulrazaq Tlass’ telephone calls, hehehehehe.

“But let’s also start building a political system, professional police and judicial system, tax system, accountable public service etc etc. ”

Oh yes, everything will be rebuilt, the way it should have been. And we wont have the legacy of crappy Soviet style state management either, that was such a failure even the Russians abandoned it. And we wont be a nanny state for unemployable Qurdahans and Makhloufs and their ilk. No longer will government positions be given on the basis of how strongly the Qqqqqqaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaf is pronounced or what percentage of one’s blood is meti.

I predict alot of work for revolutionary artists after Batta is gone. Something has to replace all those pictures of him looking epically stupid into the distance. Seriously, has any dictator ever looked as unimpressive as Bashar in his pics? He has a blank, weak chinned look that couldnt possibly hope to intimidate anyone. No wonder the country revolted, at least he could have grown an impressive Syrian mustache.

Jarthouma

“I demand you change your mind! Personally making them spell three days of the month every morning is far worse anguish! ”

But I’m just Amjad, I’m not a miracle worker. I can’t get monkeys to play the piano, or donkeys to dance “Lord of the Dance” style. And so I can’t possibly make shabihas count without using their toes.

Lives-in-a-Zoo;

“That would be a way to discover the kind of people who will make a success of that failed revolution.”

WOW AREN’T YOU PERCEPTIVE! Oh my gawd NOTHING gets past you and your Sherlock-effing-Holmes like powers of deduction! (sarcasm in the likely case that you don’t recognize it).

I have been making insightful and profound posts on my own little corner of the Internet, along with harassing menhebakjis on Twitter. If I had a real block for everytime a poor harassed pro-Batta blocked me, I’d have enough bricks to build a wall around all of Qurdaha and fill it up to the brim with sewage.

Are you people so thick as to believe that I care a damn anymore for niceties or polite discourse? I don’t give a flying f what you people think, we don’t need you. The time when we needed defectors or some big shot Alawite to change sides is long gone. We don’t need, or want any johnny-come-lateleys any more. Aleppo has proven how weak and disorganized you people are, and there is no chance whatsoever you can ever win this. All you can do is bomb defenseless villages in a final act of impotent rage.

Do you think we need to come to some sort of “arrangement” with the people who butchered the country for 40 years? Do you think we are waiting for some feeble Yemeni like transition? Believe me, nothing less than the complete and utter abdication of every vestige of Assadian power and that of his ilk will be satisfactory.

And those pro-Assadstanians who remain in the country will NEVER be allowed to forget. We will shove their defeat and disgrace into their faces with constant reminders everywhere they go; at schools, universities, at work, at state departments, in the passports, on the currency, right until they just pack their shabby peasant clothes and bugger off to Iran.

Post-war reconciliation? Screw that, we don’t need that or want that. You know all those dark predictions of what will happen after Batta goes? Pft, how unimaginative. We’ve had lots of time to think up way more elaborate ways to make the shabihas’ lives a living hell. And the world will not lift a finger to stop us.

And since you people bought back the concept of war booty to the 21st century, I believe that it is only fair that Asma be given over to Ar’our as ghana’em harb. Now that’s an image worth sticking around for.

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October 28th, 2012, 12:27 am

 

158. Amjad of Arabia said:

“Do I burn all of Syria for Assad or do I leave the occasional Qard7han whore house”

From what the Saudis tell me, Qurdahan prostitutes are the worst and bitchiest in the whole region. Always whining about bakhsheesh even before the pants have come off. Remarkable how many of them seemed to have been married off at 13 and then whose husbands apparently abandoned them or were just no good. Qurdahan family values leave alot to be desired, apparently.

Heck, I’m not a religious hardliner, but I can see how certain segments of Syrian society on the coast could benefit from stricter religious morales to balance the unrestrained whorishness of some people.

And I haven’t even begun to say what we are going to do to anyone caught with that idiotic “Sword of Ali” necklace around their neck. Proud to be publicly identified as a shabih? Let’s see what the Ayatollahs will do for you when you’re reduced to working as a feudal peasant like the days of yore. The good old days.

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October 28th, 2012, 12:37 am

 

159. Juergen said:

Amjad

Whenever I passed through the countryside I saw more and more pathetic pictures of Al Wahash, sometimes I wondered if the artist was still alive. I know one sculptor who made the statue of a riding Basel riding a horse, he told me that this is his worst sculpture he ever made,and that was his intent. He said that those government thugs who “asked” him for this sculpture have never seen a good sculpture or have been inside a museum

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October 28th, 2012, 1:26 am

 

160. Juergen said:

Assad in bunker
Bashar al-Assad has entrenched itself in Damascus, still believes a victory over the rebels. From development in the country of Syria dictator gets apparently with little – and lets his military wide latitude.

by Rania Salloum

“”Assad hardly trusts anyone,” says a former friend of the President SPIEGEL ONLINE. “When the Prime Minister deserted, no one dared to convey this message to Assad. They were afraid he would be angry, but Assad just laughed.. We got rid again of a traitor, let them all run away.”

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fsyrien-assad-verschanzt-sich-in-damaskus-a-863156.html

May be he has a rant like this fella:

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October 28th, 2012, 1:33 am

 

161. Syria no Kandahar said:

Gifts of Islamists terrorists to Moslems in Aleid,Syrians will crush Alqaida like they crush Sarsur.Watch Afghani (Syrian)Salfis trying to kill
Fellow Syrians in Aleid,JL you really want to give
These guys Heavy weapons?!!!

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October 28th, 2012, 1:47 am

 

162. Juergen said:

Syrians Place Booby-Trapped Ammunition in Rebels’ Guns
DEIR SONBUL, Syria — The government of Syria, trying to contain a rapidly expanding insurgency, has resorted to one of the dirty tricks of the modern battlefield: salting ammunition supplies of antigovernment fighters with ordnance that explodes inside rebels’ weapons, often wounding and sometimes killing the fighters while destroying many of their hard-found arms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/syrian-government-booby-traps-rebels-ammunition.html?_r=1&smid=fb-share

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October 28th, 2012, 3:14 am

 

163. annie said:

World Organization for the Defense of Human Rights

Leaked videos of ASSad thugs throwing TNT barrels that KILL our children and families while taking pictures and laughing!
UN envoy whom I’m not going to even mention his name, sleeping Arabs and International community,, With or without truce,, this is acceptable???
They are having fun by killing us!
Shame on you leaders, you watch him killing us and from where we stand, he is receiving the best treatment a serial killer can have: MORE TIME TO KILL!!
Syria, leaked, throwing TNT barrels from choppers!
Five apparently identical videos:

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October 28th, 2012, 3:39 am

 

164. Jarthouma said:

Syria lover fine I will maintain a ceasefire ;)

But please let me at Syria Musca Domestica for Brains.(Syria no Qardha7a)

I just don’t know why I picture a hairy overweight asthmatic nose haired moustache of a Shabih freak who couldn’t catch a Homsi revolutionary with a lead weight .

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October 28th, 2012, 5:02 am

 

165. Mina said:

Hamster,
Since you are into gifts exchange for the eid, here is one link i kept in reserve.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/pregnant-teenager-is-a-virgin-dubai-police-doctor-says

How cute, having doctors obliged to say a 29-week pregnant girl is a virgin to help the poor 17-year old father escape justice.
Thanks God, the girl also has a US passport, so they’ve found a place to deport her.

I hope you employ all your anti-Putin energy into turning it real. Are you a member of a famous anti-commie platform somewhere in your country? (was it Canada or the US?)

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October 28th, 2012, 5:18 am

 

166. Jarthouma said:

Ya Amjad I am truly unworthy….Personally I thinking Asma would be a great possession of the right hand for Arour lol!!

In your new Syria can we please force the Qardhaians to circumambulate with Ibn Taymiyyah’s 10 greatest hits around Hafez al Wa7shs sewage infested grave ?

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October 28th, 2012, 5:22 am

 

167. Albo said:

I wonder what Joshua did to that Amjad dude so that he feels the need to sh*t so thoroughly on his comment section.

Those who want to talk nonsense and insult others, there’s ample room for that elsewhere, some facebook pages or comments of youtube vids are just fine for that, you’d find plenty of illiterate mates to merrily insult one another all the day long.

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October 28th, 2012, 5:40 am

 

168. Amjad of Arabia said:

“I wonder what Joshua did to that Amjad dude so that he feels the need to sh*t so thoroughly on his comment section. ”

Yeah, you must be new here. I have repeatedly praised professor Landis on my blog and elsewhere. Unlike Imad Mustapha and the menhebakjis, I do not hold a person’s political opinions against them, or make it a per-requisite for respecting them.

But apparently, the shallow, intellectually insubstantial menhebakjis on this forum cannot read or a hear a word of disagreement without thinking that I am behind it somehow. They all breathed a collective sigh of relief when my posts became rare here. But since they seem to harbor such an ardent desire for my return, so much so that they see “Amjad” behind users I have nothing to do with, I am going to grant them their wish, and show them what Amjad Returneth really looks like.

And if by speaking frankly I offend some people, then tough crap. I will say it plainly; we do not want you menhebakjis in Syria, we have no intention of “coexisting” with you people. When the revo is over we will reward the Saudis and Afghans etc who came and fought by our side with the homes of those menhebakjis who packed up and left for Hizbollahstan and Tehran. How ironic, that someday Qurdaha will be filled with Chechens and Pakistanis.

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October 28th, 2012, 6:19 am

 
 

170. Citizen said:

Suggestions by top U.S. commanders that Washington has sent military personnel to Turkey to assist on a variety of issues, ranging from Syria to outlawed militants, should not be understood as a deployment of U.S. troops in Turkey, a senior Turkish diplomat has said.

The U.S. has at times sent teams to Turkey to assist on the issues of humanitarian zones, ballistic missile systems and Turkey’s anti-terror fight, Martin Dempsey, U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Oct. 26.

Dempsey’s words came days after U.S. Army Europe Commander Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling said the U.S. Armed Forces had recently sent soldiers to Turkey and that the soldiers deployed in Turkey had been sharing intelligence, prompting the Turkish diplomat to deny suggestions that the move constituted a deployment of U.S. soldiers in the country.

Speaking during a press conference with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Dempsey said: “Adm. James Winnefeld, my vice chairman, just returned back from Turkey and had conversations with his counterpart about those things. We’ve been sharing intelligence with Turkey for five years, and one of the things we’re looking to do now is learn lessons, recognize a different situation on Turkey’s southeastern border and see if there’s other things we could do to assist them, as well as to reduce the threat of ballistic missile attack inside Turkey. So it’s a work in progress, and we go and come as we need to have those.” Dempsey also said Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was doing a good job in fighting terrorism. “This is Prime Minister Erdoğan’s country. I cannot judge his approach. And he is doing his job well.”

Dempsey made the comments following a question over Turkey’s refusal to heed a U.S. suggestion to conduct a “bin Laden-style” operation against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

“We offer to share our experience. And we benefit from [their] experience. Sometimes [they] accept our offers, and sometimes not. I do not conclude [from this that there is] any communication gap,” Dempsey said.

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October 28th, 2012, 6:40 am

 

171. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

MINAZOOANN + SKUKAHAR
Your theories in practice:

وفاة ناشطة إعلامية سورية نتيجة التعذيب الوحشي
بيــــان تعرب الرابطة السورية للدفاع عن حقوق الإنسان عن قلقها العميق إزاء المعلومات التي تفيد بوفاة الناشطة الإعلامية السورية فاطمة خالد سعد في أحد الفروع الأمنية التابعة لادارة المخابرات العامة في مدينة دمشق ( يعتقد أنه الفرع 291 ) نتيجة تعرضها لتعذيب وحشي ممنهج.

يذكر أن الناشطة فاطمة سعد ( 22 عاما ) والمعروفة في أوساط الثورة والأوساط الإعلامية ب فرح الريس كانت قد إعتقلت من قبل دورية تابعة لجهاز أمن الدولة في مدينة اللاذقية فجر يوم الثلاثاء 28 / 6 / 2012 بعد أن اقتحمت منزلها في حي قنينص الشعبي عند الساحة العامة واقتادتها مع والدها السيد خالد سعد وشقيقها وصادرت حاسوبها الشخصي وبعض الإكسسوارات الخاصة بوسائل الاتصال من كاميرا رقمية وكرت ذاكرة وهاتف خلوي وبعد التحقيق مع الوالد والشقيق عدة ساعات أفرج عنهما ، بينما حولت الفتاة إلى فرع الأمن السياسي وبقيت رهن الاعتقال بسبب حيازتها لعلم الثورة واكتشاف المحققين لأغنية مناهضة للنظام على كاميرتها الرقمية لمجموعة من صديقاتها يقمن بغناءها معا .
ونتيجة التعذيب الوحشي الذي تعرض له جسدها الغض في فرع الأمن السياسي في مدينة اللاذقية تضرر كبدها بشكل بالغ الأمر الذي استدعى نقلها إلى المشفى العسكري في مشروع القلعة في اللاذقية للعلاج .
وبتاريخ 17 / 7 / 2012 تم تحويلها إلى أحد الفروع الأمنية في إدارة المخابرات العامة بدمشق ( الفرع 291 ) حيث تابع المحققين الضغط عليها بوحشية شديدة لانتزاع معلومات إضافية عن مجموعة الناشطين الذين كانت تتعاون معهم الأمر الذي أفضى إلى وفاتها نتيجة التعذيب الوحشي بتاريخ 23 / 10 / 2012 .

…….

الرابطة السورية للدفاع عن حقوق الإنسان

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October 28th, 2012, 6:56 am

 

172. Warren said:

Turkey looks to Iran, Russia to tackle Syria crisis

Turkey is turning to regional powers Iran and Russia, backers of the Damascus regime, to help it deal with Syria’s bloody civil war that has spilled across its border with deadly shelling and a flood of refugees, analysts say.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan gave the first signs last week that Ankara may be shifting the way it approaches the 19-month conflict after holding what local media called a “surprise meeting” with Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad in Baku.

Ankara has proposed to Iran establishing a set of trilateral mechanisms involving key regional players to face the Syrian crisis raging at their doorsteps.

“This (trilateral) mechanism might involve Turkey, Egypt and Iran,” Erdogan said. “A second mechanism could involve Turkey, Russia, Iran. A third could be made up of Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.”

“This represents a significant shift in position by Ankara,” Semih Idiz wrote in the English-language Hurriyet Daily News.

“It was no more than a few months ago that Ankara looked coolly on any discussion on Syria which involved Russia and Iran due to their unconditional backing of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad,” he argued.

http://www.france24.com/en/20121023-turkey-looks-iran-russia-tackle-syria-crisis

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October 28th, 2012, 7:12 am

 

173. Warren said:

Stay out of the Syrian Morass

As the Syrian government makes increasingly desperate and vicious efforts to keep power, pleas for military intervention, more or less on the Libyan model, have become more insistent. This course is morally attractive, to be sure. But should Western states follow this counsel? I believe not.

Those calls to action fall into three main categories: a Sunni Muslim concern for co-religionists, a universal humanitarian concern to stop torture and murder, and a geopolitical worry about the impact of the ongoing conflict. The first two motives can be fairly easily dispatched. If Sunni governments – notably those of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – choose to intervene on behalf of fellow Sunnis against Alawis, that is their prerogative but Western states have no dog in this fight.

http://www.danielpipes.org/11436/syria-intervention

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October 28th, 2012, 7:14 am

 

174. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

AMJAD
I beg to differ:

those menhebakjis who packed up and left for Hizbollahstan and Tehran

Both will not survive for long after the the fall of athadithtan. The only place for mehabakjies i can imagine would be putinestan in the heart of Moscow’s gang-world.

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October 28th, 2012, 7:16 am

 

175. Warren said:

Daniel Pipes: The high-stakes game between Turkey and Syria

Why is the Turkish government acting so aggressively against Syria’s Assad regime?

Perhaps Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hopes that lobbing artillery shells into Syria will help bring a satellite government to power in Damascus. Maybe he expects that sending a Turkish war plane into Syrian air space or forcing down a Syrian civilian plane en route from Russia will win him favour in the West and bring in NATO. Conceivably, it’s all a grand diversion from imminent economic crisis due to borrowing too much.

Erdogan’s actions fit into a context going back a half century. During the Cold War, Ankara stood with Washington as a member of NATO even as Damascus served as Moscow’s Cuba of the Middle East, an arch-reliable client state. Bad Turkish-Syrian relations also had local sources, including a border dispute, disagreement over water resources and Syrian backing of the PKK, a Kurdish terrorist group. The two states reached the brink of war in 1998, until the Assad government’s timely capitulation averted armed conflict.

A new era began in November 2002 when Erdogan’s AKP, a clever Islamist party that avoids terrorism or rants about a global caliphate, replaced the center-right and -left parties that long had dominated Ankara. Governing competently and overseeing an unprecedented economic boom, the AKP’s share of the electorate grew from one-third in 2002 to one-half in 2011. It was on track to achieving Erdogan’s presumed goal of undoing Atatürk’s secularist revolution and bringing Sharia to Turkey.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/10/16/daniel-pipes-the-high-stakes-game-between-turkey-and-syria/

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October 28th, 2012, 7:17 am

 

176. Warren said:

Oh dear Amjad the salafi cretin burdens us again with the drivel he’s spent hours writing and spell checking on his word document.

None of Amjad’s posts makes any sense: his rants are just spell-checked incoherent garble. There is no argument or structure to his monologues. Amjad just indulges in mental masturbation, vapid rhetoric and straw man arguments.

Amjad is like a schizophrenic arguing with himself on the street. It’s best just to ignore such incorrigibles!

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October 28th, 2012, 7:34 am

 

177. Syria no Kandahar said:

Arboud of Saudi Arabi in active jihad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFkO4VMxc48&feature=youtube_gdata_player
أحقر معارصه في التاريخ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpLAIe50CI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Friends of Hamster theories in action:

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October 28th, 2012, 7:36 am

 

178. Albo said:

168

If you like Landis then I assume his website deserves better than your long drivels avout menhebakjis, Qardaha, Chechens and Pakis.

In other news, the NY times writes on the Iraqi shia fighting in Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/world/middleeast/influx-of-iraqi-shiites-to-syria-widens-wars-scope.html?hp&_r=0

“Iraqi Shiites did not initially take sides in Syria. Many Shiites here despise Mr. Assad for his affiliation with the Baath Party, the party of Saddam Hussein, and the support he gave foreign Sunni fighters during the Iraq war.

But as the uprising became an armed rebellion that began to attract Sunni extremists, many Shiites came to see the war in existential terms. Devout Shiites in Iraq often describe the Syrian conflict as the beginning of the fulfillment of a Shiite prophecy that presages the end of time by predicting that an army, headed by a devil-like figure named Sufyani, will rise in Syria and then conquer Iraq’s Shiites.

It was the bombing of an important shrine in Samarra in 2006 that escalated Iraq’s sectarian civil war, and many Iraqis see the events in Syria as replicating their own recent bloody history, but with even greater potential consequences.

Hassan al-Rubaie, a Shiite cleric from Baquba, the capital of Diyala Province, said, “The destruction of the shrine of Sayyida Zeinab in Syria will mean the start of sectarian civil war in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.””

Indeed it seems we are edging closer and closer to a full regional war someday, Syria is already the sectarian regional battlefield as the NYT put it so it couldn’t be worse for us, but one thing is certain future generations won’t remember fondly all those who stired sectarian hatred.
These sentiments should never have made it to our century to begin with.

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October 28th, 2012, 7:38 am

 

179. Warren said:

More on Muslims Forcing Christian Assyrians in Baghdad to Pay ‘Protection Tax’

(AINA) — On 3-18-2007 AINA reported that Muslims were forcing the Christian Assyrians in the Dora Neighborhood of Baghdad to Pay the jizya, the ‘Protection Tax’ demanded from Christians and Jews by Islamic law. AINA has obtained testimony from two residents of Dora and an observer. All names are withheld to protect the safety of the individuals.

Baghdad Observer:

Elements of Al-Qaeda have moved into Dora from Anbar. No security forces are to be seen there, it seems to be abandoned by both Iraqi and Coalition. In Hay Al-Mechaneek (which is in Dora across the bridge) people have been warned by these insurgents to uninstall the satellite dishes since this is “Haram” (forbidden) in Islam. In Dora where Christians live in Hay Al-Mualimeen [Teachers quarter] and Hay Al-Athorieen [Assyrian quarter] is where they are telling people to convert, leave, pay “Jizya” taxation.

Email From Dora Resident:

This has been going on for the past week, and it started even before Easter. We talked to many people within the American Embassy and Iraqi Government, but it seems no body really cares, because they have done nothing, or sometimes I wonder if they care at all. Neither the Iraqi nor the US army have any activity there, and they have delivered Dora to insurgents; and above all the US army went and put a camp in the Chaldean church (Babylon Theology College) to raise the hate among those Muslims toward Christians, as they are seeing them allies for Americans, and that worsen things more.

Testimony of Dora Resident, Currently A Refugee In Syria:

Yes it is true, today a family [name withheld] arrived from Dora/Mualimeen street, and they said some terrorists knocked on their door and when they opened the door they were told to either pay money (jizya) to support the insurgents or convert to Islam, or leave the house within 24 hours or else be killed.

http://www.aina.org/news/20070417105313.htm

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This is what will happen to the Christians of Damascus if the Fundamentalist Sunni Army succeeds in its insurgency. Persecution, exploitation and abuse of minorities are the modus operandi of all Sunni Islamist groups irrespective of where they are in the world!

I’m sick and tired of Sunni Taqqiyyas & their western liberal apologists obfuscating this truth!

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October 28th, 2012, 7:48 am

 

180. Tara said:

Zoo,

See how Jarthouma responded to me in# 113. I had to look “tungiasis”up. If some pro-revolution feel comfortable addressing me like this, then you should not take it personal and should just skip those inappropriate comments.

Although, I do not agree with what you say. your right of speech should be protected and respected. Please do not be intimidated by HIV, syphilis, and Tungiasis. They did not intimidate Mina, Citizen, Warren, Habib, or Albo. I read your posts and appreciate your links.

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October 28th, 2012, 8:26 am

 

181. Tara said:

Jarthouma

You are way out of line in your posts and you should be banned. Threatening to kill people who post on SC is not a revolution, it is a thuggery.

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October 28th, 2012, 8:29 am

 

182. Citizen said:

Saudis Bankrolling Israel’s Mossad?
A friend, with good sources in the Israeli government, claims that the head of Israel’s Mossad has made several trips to deal with his counterparts in Saudi Arabia—one of the results: an agreement that the Saudis would bankroll the series of assassinations of several of Iran’s top nuclear experts that have occurred over the past couple of years. The amount involved, my friend claims, was $1 billion dollars. A sum, he says, the Saudis considered cheap for the damage done to Iran’s nuclear program.
At first blush, the tale sounds preposterous. On the other hand. it makes eminent sense. The murky swamp of Middle East politics has nothing to do with the easy slogans and 30 second sound bites of presidential debates.
After all, nowhere more than in the Middle East does the maxim hold true: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And both Israel and the Saudis have always detested Iran’s Shiite fundamentalist leaders. The feeling is mutual. Tehran has long been accused of stirring up trouble among Saudi’s restless Shiites.
Israeli and Saudi leaders particularly fear Iran’s attempts to develop nuclear weapons. Thus, it would only be natural that (along with the U.S.) they would back a coordinated program to at least slow up, if not permanently cripple, Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
It also makes perfect sense, that, in retaliation for the cyber attacks on their centrifuges, the Iranians reportedly launched their own cyber attack on a Saudi state-owned target: Saudi Aramco, the world’s most valuable company. Last August 15th, someone with privileged access to Aramco’s computers was able to unleash a virus that wreaked havoc with the company’s systems. U.S. intelligence experts point their finger at Tehran.
Indeed, a report earlier this year by Tel Aviv University cites Saudi Arabia as the
last hope and defense line for Israel. With most of Israel’s traditional allies in the region sent packing or undermined by the Arab Spring, the Saudis are the Jewish State’s last chance to protect its political interests in the Arab world.
http://barrylando.blogspot.com/2012/10/saudis-backrolling-israels-mossad.html

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October 28th, 2012, 8:57 am

 

183. Citizen said:

Where is the border of Israel?
Several questions asked in the third presidential debate were never clearly answered. One of the most vital concerns Israel: What exactly is the U.S. commitment to that country? It’s a question that an American president may suddenly be confronted with, some chaotic night at three A.M.

The reporter moderating the debate attempted to get an answer.
According to Ray McGovern, there is no US/Israel mutual defense treaty, and there is no treaty because the Israelis do not want one. However American Presidents have gone to great lengths to make people believe we have such a treaty. But when pressed they are very careful to avoid saying directly that we have no legal obligation to defend Israel if Israel is attacked. We have only the personal promises of a number of American presidents.

“Now, our government … On inauguration day 2005 Dick Cheney found it necessary to say that Iran was a terrible threat, the top of the list of threats to us. That it should not get a nuclear weapon. And that the Israelis just might go ahead and take that capability out and let the rest of us pick up the pieces.

He said that in such a way as to indicate that that would be fine with him, it’s a possibility, and why not? Since then, the president in the US has time after time talked about “our ally Israel.” That “our ally Israel” deserves our support, and if “our ally Israel” is attacked, we will automatically spring to its aid under our defense treaty.

Now, Americans who might be reading this, listen up, as we used to say in the Army. There is no treaty of mutual defense between the US and Israel. That’s a lie. It’s a misrepresentation; juridically speaking Israel is not our ally.

I’ve often been interested in that. When I started out as an analyst I wondered, why is there no treaty? And I concluded, very understandably, that this was a mark of US prudence. Why would we want to tick off the Arabs even more than we already have? Why would we want to be juridically obliged to engage in hostilities in the Middle East?

But guess what? That wasn’t the case at all. In 1967 after the first Arab/Israeli War, we offered Israel a mutual defense treaty with the rationale that perhaps this would give the Arabs pause from attacking Israel again, and give us a certain leverage over the Israelis. And guess what? The Israelis said, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

I was surprised to hear that. I asked the people who were involved in this, who happen to be involved in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, including one person who was actually in the process of making this overture to Israel. I said, “Why did they turn it down?” He said, “Ray, mutual defense treaties require clearly defined international boundaries. And the Israelis, after they took the occupied territories in ’67 and ’73, didn’t want any part of clearly defined international boundaries. And also, the Israelis really like to be able to do what they want to do. If they want to attack Iraq and take out the Osirak nuclear reactor as they did in 1981, they don’t want to have to ask Washington, they just want to do it. So they didn’t want to be inhibited by any of the normally accepted norms of behavior. If you have a mutual defense treaty, you usually tell the other partner what you’re going to do, if you are going to invade or bomb another country.”

So what’s the upshot of all of this? There is no mutual defense treaty between Israel and the US. But why does the president say there is? Well, I don’t know why he says there is. General Scowcroft, his father’s National Security Advisor, told us, “Sharon just has him wrapped around his little finger.” He had our president “mesmerized,” according to Scowcroft.”

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October 28th, 2012, 9:15 am

 

184. zoo said:

Tara

Thanks for your concern, but unfortunately SC has been recently infested by a higher degree of vulgarity and stupidity that brought the exchanges to a level that is so low that I prefer to avoid it.

I’ll wait until this wave passes.

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October 28th, 2012, 9:18 am

 

185. Sami said:

An extremely informative overview regarding the criminal use of the Airforce in the revolution by the Assadist thugs, and how civilians are the prime targets because the outdated Russian hardware is not capable to confront a lightly armed rebel group.

Syrian Air Force and Defence Overview
http://www.understandingwar.org/press-media/graphsandstat/syrian-air-force-air-defense-overview

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October 28th, 2012, 9:23 am

 

186. Tara said:

Zoo

I guess I’ll do the same until JL decides to moderate this site again.

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October 28th, 2012, 9:41 am

 

187. Sami said:

SyriaLover,

From my understanding not all Kurds are striving for autonomy, Federalism is another option that many Kurds (especially the Kurds I know in Damascus) are after.

It is very unfortunate that the PKK/PYD is meddling on their “supposed” behalf. Especially since they do not actually represent the entire Kurdish community in Syria.

Another invaluable source on Kurdish issues is Kurdish Watch:
http://www.kurdwatch.org

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October 28th, 2012, 9:42 am

 

188. Sami said:

Visitor,

The reason I corrected you regarding the OFAB is because armaments like these are easily traced back to their source of origin. After the revolution countries that helped supply and prop up this criminal regime will need to answer to the Syrian people if they want to have anything to do with the future Syria.

For instance when Lavrov claimed no Russian cluster bombs were ever used in Syria he flat out lied:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631835670787/
(The Russian translates to roughly: اوضع حشوة البرودة, place the gunpowder fuse)

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October 28th, 2012, 9:59 am

 

189. Citizen said:

188.

are you showing the Libyan arsenal as a part of comedy movie?
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أكدت الخارجية الروسية أن احتمال تسليم الولايات المتحدة أنظمةَ دفاعٍ جوي محمولة لمسلحي المعارضة السورية سيكون خطوةً خطرة وتسليحا للإرهابيين الدوليين… من جانبه قال نائبُ وزيرِ الخارجية الروسي /ألكسندر غروشكو/ إنَّ تشتُتَ المعارضة يُشكل عَقَبَةً على طريق حل الازمة في سورية مشيرا الى أن هذه المعارضة عاجزةٌ عن توحيد صفوفها وتشكيل قوةٍ سياسية يمكن الحوارُ معها.

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October 28th, 2012, 11:02 am

 

190. Visitor said:

Sami 188,

Absolutely. Russia is taking it’s last breath of fresh air on warm waters, and that Russian whorehouse on the coast will be sunk to the bottom of the sea.

I knew it’s some kind of bomb but I thought the title of the article was funny and that’s why I went along with the title.

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October 28th, 2012, 11:58 am

 

191. Amjad of Arabia said:

And now we have the pathetic little man Warren, the lowest kind of creature on a forum; the copy/paste Islamophobic mass poster, with nary an original thought or idea. And I recognize a few of my own phrases in his last post, which gives me a pretty good idea who he really is. You know you really got to a person when he uses your own phrases against you, heheheh :)

Nothing I can say or do can come close to causing Warren the anguish he inflicts on himself daily with his phobia and hatreds that eat away at him.

Warren, here is a doll. Tell us where the big bad Jihadi touched you LOL!

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October 28th, 2012, 12:04 pm

 

192. Amjad of Arabia said:

Now, lets talk about the loathsome Agnes Mariam, the prototypical regime shabiha who’s been propagating quite a few lies recently, the biggest one is that “80,000″ Christians were “cleansed” from Homs. Well, where are they all? Where did they disappear to? 80,000 Syrian refugees take up 16 massive camps in Turkey. And yet travel the length and breadth of Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan, and you will not find a single concentration of Christian refugees anywhere. Did they all get on the same plane to Paris as that regimist mouthpiece Agnes?

Seriously, here you have a regime openly supported by Hizboll-shaytan, the most sectarian terrorist group in the world, and the Iranian Ayatollahs, the biggest exporters of terrorism in the world, and you people whine about a few Saudi and Libyan Jihadis in the revolution? Talk about extremism, it was your Batta who closed down the country’s only casino. “Secularism” LOL!

(happy to have me back yet, ya shabihas of indeterminable parentage?)

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October 28th, 2012, 12:05 pm

 

193. Amjad of Arabia said:

Let’s continue with discussing post-Batta Syria. Mazi 86 is one big neighborhood full of nothing but illegally built apartments and pro-regimist shabihas, none of which are desirable in Syria. The buildings were built without permit on government land, and therefore belong to the government. It will be perfectly permissible for the government of the day to seize those buildings, throw out its current occupants, and transfer the property to those whose homes have been destroyed in Damascus.

And since those buildings were illegally built, not a single penny will need to be paid in compensation. Where the current inhabitants end up is not and should not be any of the slightest concern of the new government. Squatters should take responsibility for their own actions. Maybe they can move in with some of the expat based shabihas. What do you say Zoo,Mina,Habib, et al? Ready to take in a few dozen shabiha families into your homes, just like the expats of Saudi have taken in numerous Syrian refugees into their homes?

Of course not. The very idea is sending shivers of terror through them right now.

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October 28th, 2012, 12:15 pm

 

194. Amjad of Arabia said:

I wonder why the Alawite areas of Homs haven’t been hosting any of the so called “80,000″ Christians who were supposedly driven from their homes by “Libyan and Saudi Salafi-Wahabi-CIA-Martian-Terrorists”. We were led to believe that Batta was the protector of minorities, who were standing by him through thick and thin. And yet there isn’t a single Christian family in any of the pro-regime areas of Homs. Most of them chose to go to Al-Wa’er in the outskirts of the city. Quite illuminating, wouldn’t you say.

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October 28th, 2012, 4:34 pm

 

195. Jarthouma said:

Tara I am not threatening anyone on this site more mocking them and giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Certainly I do believe that the revolutionaries have a right to kill any Shabi7 who resorts to violence raping and pillaging everywhere. The right to self defence and resistance against occupation is an enshrined human right !

God help us if that is thuggery ! Sheesh. By the way I insulted Zoo the duck sycophant

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October 28th, 2012, 5:13 pm

 

196. Citizen said:

Two Malaysians, suspected of al-Qaeda links, arrested in Lebanon
Malaysia confirmed that two of its citizens were arrested by Lebanese authorities who say they were trying to make their way to Syria to join the 19-month-old revolt against President Bashar al-Assad, where Islamist militants are taking an increasingly prominent role. The pair, aged 21 and 28, had tried to enter Syria from Turkey a couple of months before, and after failure, decided to go to Lebanon instead. Their activities were spotted by army intelligence and they were arrested, Al-Joumhouria, a Lebanese daily paper reported.
http://rt.com/news/line/2012-10-28/#id39675

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October 28th, 2012, 5:33 pm

 

197. Citizen said:

BABA VANGA… la prophétie du Président noir et de la 3ème guerre .
BABA VANGA … the prophecy of the black President and the third war.

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October 28th, 2012, 5:57 pm

 

198. Amjad of Arabia said:

What is it about modern day Syrians that we seem incapable of forming strong political institutions? Forget the regime, it is irredeemable. But the opposition was starting from a clean slate, and yet its political failings have had tragic consequences for the country.

James Bond, Doctor Who and the Baath Party’s seizure of power are all coming up on their 50th anniversaries, and yet there is no question whatsoever that the first two are much stronger institutions than the 3rd.

Today’s problems in Syria come straight down to the complete and utter failure of the political classes on both sides. If either side’s political elite had had an ounce of sense, there would not have been a need for an FSA or talk about arming them with SAMs. I don’t expect much from a regime whose institutions are so weak that the only successor they could come up with to the man who lost all his wars, was his eye doctor of a son. But the SNC has made itself irrelevant. It committed the worst sin possible for a political movement; it failed to motive and inspire the masses.

We Syrians must look deep into ourselves and figure out why we always seem to be caught between two extremes; a thousand chiefs, or “KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!”

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October 28th, 2012, 11:00 pm

 

199. Amjad of Arabia said:

The Syrian airforce has flown more bombing sorties over Aleppo in 3 months than it did over Israel in 50 years. Like one Twitterer said, the Assad family kept to a 40 year cease fire with Israel, and yet couldn’t keep to a 40 minute one with the Syrian people. “Resistance” LOL!

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October 29th, 2012, 12:48 am

 

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