“The Real Opposition in Syria is Not the Syrian National Council or Free Syrian Army,” by Idaf

The Real Opposition in Syria is Not the Syrian National Council or Free Syrian Army
By Idaf (who recently left Syria and has been working with opposition activists)
12 February 2012 for Syria Comment

It’s a grave mistake to put all opposition in one group. Some are worse than the regime, some as bad, others are smart, savvy with a plan. Of course you only hear in the news (and sometimes though selective attention as Alex calls it) about those pushed by the different powers (Qatar, France, Saudi, etc.) like the Syrian National Council (SNC) and the Free Syrian Army (FSA), because they best fit the agenda of the sensationalist media. Everybody (including Ehsani in his previous article) willingly ignore the large activist networks on the ground and those independent and rational political opposition groups inside who are not proxies for other powers, who have a plan and working for a state after the regime is gone, not for revenge like the opposition you hear about in the media.

Simplifying things by using the “Regime vs. SNC/FSA” shallow lens only helps the regime. Media, policy makers and think tanks should be educated about the richness of the opposition and how they should focus more on the real opposition, not the one shoved by the Aljazeera down the throat of Syrians (SNC) or the FSA myth that perfectly fits the agenda of regime, the Islamists, and the media, all at the same time. As someone who is in touch with all key opposition groups and the activists on the ground, I can tell you that I’m fed up with the simplified, naive views and the manipulative perception management tactics that aim to draw unrealistic picture about the conflict by conveniently framing it simply as idiot proxies and armed elements (SNC/FSA) vs. the brutal mass-murderer autocratic regime (the regime). While both description of the two groups are accurate, but there is much more to the opposition than the SNC and FSA.

The amount of political opportunism, corruption, lack of vision and lack of independence in the SNC is staggering and identical to the Iraqi National Congress. The SNC is becoming less relevant by the day. The FSA is a myth, as there is no coordinated group of militants across the country, only hundreds of small militias that have nothing in common in terms of ideology, arms, political awareness or anything else for that matter. Pushing the “FSA” in the media is just a media phenomenon that fits some agendas and gives false hope to the people inside. It also fits nicely with the regime’s line.

The real opposition is maturing and growing in influence inside and on the ground away from the influence of Qatar, Turkey, Saudi, France or the US. It is a matter of time before the regime gives way. Soon the SNC will be simply remembered as something like one of the many Iraqi opportunistic opposition groups that mushroomed just before the war on Iraq. The FSA myth will be debunked but the militias will continue to exist. The regime maybe able to crush or maneuver its way for a while with a combination of “Souria Allah 7amiha” strikes of luck coupled with idiotic strategic mistakes from the SNC/FSA, but new more realistic, mature, civic and political powers are taking shape on the ground and will be emerging as powerful players soon. Even if the regime survives this round, there will be new rounds between an exhausted regime and new re-envigorated opposition groups. Forget the SNC and the FSA if you want to talk about the future. The simplistic media and analysts can continue to focus on them as they are sensational enough for media consumption for Syrians abroad, for Arabs and for westerners who are entertaining themselves with watching another Syrian TV series. This time it’s not باب الحارة [“The Door of the Neighborhood,” a famous TV series] featuring macho conflicts of good vs. bad on MBC, but باب الخرا [“The door of Shit,”] perception manipulations on Aljazeera and other media. The reality is happening on the ground inside (and online on closed social media networks) with brave and thoughtful groups of Syrians who are working on interim solutions for the conflict, for long term ones for a sustainable state and for justice rather than revenge.

Syrians who want a solution should focus on channeling their energy towards reducing the impact of the fall of the regime rather than supporting the SNC/FSA or supporting the regime out of fear of the “FSA”, the Islamists or the militants. Everyone should stop simply forcing the Syrians to chose between the Regime or SNC/FSA/Islamists. These are not the only options. Far from it.

They are multiple movements shaping and reshaping on weekly basis. Most activists are learning and maturing with time. They change their views and jump from one group to another according to events and developments. When one’s friend or family gets detained or killed they move from peaceful to supporting violence. When you argue with those supporting violence they change their mind, etc. The movements are in constant change but you can notice the fast organic maturity.

Why don’t you hear about them?

1- The international media is lazy and sloppy and has settled for simplifying things. They like a good vs. bad story and don’t want to lose their audience by explaining the complex reality.
2- The movements themselves are secretive in nature as the only survival tactic.
3- Most of these movements bring together people with different political and ideological points of view. They work on unified broad lines. As such they focus more on 3amal maydani [work on the ground] and not political action.
4- In most of these movements, politics is frowned upon and activism is glorified. Doing politics publicly (even as opposition to the regime) is still viewed as opportunism and “riding the revolution”. It’ a matter of time till some of these groups get enough legitimacy to lead politically. In other words, doing politics is still suicide within the revolution. Only those groups or individuals that have some sort of earlier political legitimacy can work publicly in politics (and very few have survived or remain in the country due to the brutality of the regime).

These are some of the reasons.

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51. Juergen said:

Joshua Landis and Nadim Shehadi on Syria

Two very smart friends — Josh Landis and Nadim Shehadi — had interesting things to say in the comment section of the last post. I hope neither of them mind me bringing those comments up to the main page so that other readers can weigh in. The exchange was touched off by an interview that Josh recently gave on Charlie Rose, where he argued that Syria could be descending into civil war.

http://www.oyetimes.com/news/107-middle-east/17847-joshua-landis-and-nadim-shehadi-on-syria

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February 13th, 2012, 4:24 am

 

52. HAT said:

It is not that we don’t like what Idaf has to say. Rather where is the flesh in his story? He may have experienced some small group. We don’t want to risk the life of any Syrian, but we need some sense of how wide spread and in what communities. We want to believe!

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February 13th, 2012, 4:28 am

 

53. mjabali said:

Tried to post this comment before I went to bed and it never appeared:

As long as there is no known parties with agendas for the opposition they will remain invisible.

I asked on constant basis many people inside Syria from different positions about why they do not organize politically? They all (anti assad and pro assad) showed inability to organize.

The article may be right about the fast maturation of Syrians politically, but, again, I really doubt that things are at an advanced stage especially with the constant crackdown by al-Assad, who would not show that much patience for unwanted political dissent that does irk him and the absence of the known agenda and leaders.

Take Facebook activism for example: I am for one is lost with the huge number of pages, where many are chaotic run by rambling idiots. The years of the one party rule had produced political midgets out of the Syrian people.

Political parties with known agendas and known leaders is the only way.

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February 13th, 2012, 4:42 am

 

54. Juergen said:

update on the syrian spy scandal here in Berlin

Der Spiegel has talked with german secret service agents. Apparantly the regime has tried to arrest 3 german spies in return for the arrest of 2 spies in Germany. The regime has tried to find out the whereabouts of three BND spies in Damascus. According to the magazine those three were already in Beirut.
Much more informations were given of the work of the alledged spies, and as it looks now the spies focused almost entirely on the regime oppostion groups here in Germany. Informants of the spies have collected data of opposition meetings as well as providing high resolution portrait photographs of syrian regime critics for the military security service in Damascus. The pictures and reports were sent out from internet cafes throughout Berlin and the german BND was able to collect some of those reports before they reached their destination. The security services suspects further informants to operate within Germany. The sources told DER SPIEGEL that the scene is definitely
weakend and especially the arrest of Akram O. who worked as an local worker in the embassy left an impression. He always referred himself as an advisor to the ambassador here in Germany.

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February 13th, 2012, 4:56 am

 

55. Syrialover said:

#30. Jad

I don’t know why there is such a huff and puff from you about a story headlined “Syrian Rebels Likely Behind Aleppo Bombings”.

Well, let’s hope they are. And that it wasn’t the regime or Mossad or Al Queda (all discounted by people inside Syria). Because it would be a very natural course of events for Syrians to blow up the HQ of the hated security service, the symbol and source of so much inhuman suffering, cruelty, pain, fear and humiliation.

I desperately hate that anyone blows up anything and harms human beings and spreads destruction and fear. But that act symbolises Syrians getting to the root of their problem and doing something that feels necessary and right to all the people who suffered from that building.

The security services are reportedly getting exhausted, and now they are getting afraid. Their torture chamber, terror planning facility and citizen surveillance centre got targeted. Only those linked to them could object to that.

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February 13th, 2012, 5:09 am

 

56. Syrialover said:

# 49. HAT

The clear wide picture you want is not possible in situations like Syria. Analysts, historians and expert observers use fragments like Idaf gives to help put together a jigsaw and see what picture emerges. That’s why I am interested in it.

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February 13th, 2012, 5:31 am

 

57. OFF THE WALL said:

Idaf
I am very happy to hear that you are now safe and working with the opposition, and I am also pleased to see one of the old timers and perhaps one of the real “Founders” of SC back to reclaim rationality. You, EHSANI, and without a doubt the new moderator, who must be congratulated and appreciated, have already accomplished a lot in putting the breaks on what has been for the past year a mad-house of malicious cut and paste and masked sectarianism.

As I expected, your post was promptly dismissed with cynicism evident in malicious loaded words by those who care not what you had to say. Others, and to my relief, mostly were those on the opposition’s side (Revlon, HAT, and William) were far more interested and interesting, and came up with a series of thoughtful pointed questions some of which may not be answered without extreme care for the sake of safety of activists including yourself.

I would be a liar if I said that your post, along with the above referenced challenges will not affect my own outlook. But I think that one of most profound statements was made by HAT:

The sooner you can get the current regime out of power the better the chances Syria will avoid an all-out civil war and its collapse as a nation.

I fully agree with this excellent statement for many reasons that I will put forth in an upcoming post on 7ee6an. Until then, I think people like you can reinforce the weak bridge between those on the inside and those who are working on the politics and diplomacy of the Syrian revolution. More importantly, the increasing presence of those like you on the outside due to the repressive regime will provide a powerful voice that forces others to listen to all sides of this fragmented opposition.

For now, if you have a chance, please watch George Sabra’s description of his days on the inside (links provided below). At one point in part 1, he describes a set of three meetings he had with 150 lawyers (50 at a time), during which one of the young lawyers stood up and said what amounts to an appreciation of the work some of the leading opposition members have done over decades, as well as a warning that their time in jail and their heroic work can not be viewed as a license for them to hijack this popular revolution and/or to act as its regents.

Open Dialog with George Sabra

Part 1. George’s notes

Part 2. Q&A

Sincerely
OTW

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February 13th, 2012, 6:14 am

 

58. Juergen said:

Interview with Guido Westerwelle regarding Syria
( translated)

Spiegel: Mr. Minister, can you explain the behavior of your friend the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in the Syrian question?

Westerwelle: Russia is driven to my assessment by the fear that it will lose its influence in the region. Therefore, it has regrettably voted in the UN Security Council resolution against Syria. We must make clear to Russia that its own strategic interests are not jeopardized if it stood up on the right side of history.

Spiegel: It seems a long way for Russia to reach such an insight.

Westerwelle: The visit of my esteemed colleague Sergei Lavrov in Damascus,was surely not successful. He has not conveyed the message that I had hoped for.

Spiegel: Thats a very reserved formulation. Lavrov has claimed that the Syrian dictator Assad is doing everything to stop the violence.

Westerwelle: The Russian side has repeatedly stated in negotiations in recent days that it does not only see the government as the only source of violence but also the opposition. I have with Hillary Clinton and other colleagues made it clear that we do not accept such a relativist view . The Assad regime, has responded to rightious protests for more freedom with violence and more violence . What I have been told by the UN High Commissioner Navi Pilllay about the violence in Syria is so disgusting that I do not want to repeat that here in front of you.

Spiegel: What happens if the Russians remain unrepentant?

Westerwelle: We will not give up despite the failed resolution. We are preparing the next round of EU sanctions. We have made the suggestion to form a contact group of friends of a democratic Syria to set up more political pressure..I will not rule out that, we go once again to the United Nations, whether in the Security Council or the General Assembly. We support the proposal of a joint observer mission of the Arab League and the United Nations and the appointment of a UN special envoy to Syria.

Spiegel: Turkey is considering setting up on its borders protection zones for refugees on Syrian territory.

Westerwelle: We are already helping humanitarian causes. We want to help more the refugees that is clear. We will also consult with Turkey, because it takes up by far the largest refugee population.

Spiegel: You advocate a protection zone on the Syrian territory which would be secured militarily?

Westerwelle: Those are questions which can be discussed if there are concrete plans.

Spiegel: Who will develop these plans?

Westerwelle: Everything we do, we agree upon closely with the Arab League, which takes its political leadership role very seriously. This is a positive development,which we see developing in the shadow of these sad events.

Spiegel: But you must have your own idea of what will happen if the Russians and Chinese would retain their veto.
Westerwelle: I’ve just said, what we do to increase the pressure. That’s what were at a bilateral level. I’ve decided that for now we do not send a new ambassador to Syria. Four members of Syria’s embassy in Berlin, were expelled.

Spiegel: Is your verbal determination for Syria so strong because no one calls for a military mission in which Germany might have to participate?

Westerwelle: We were not neutral in Libya. But we decided that we will not participate with German soldiers at the intervention there.

Spiegel: Why do you treat Syria not as hard as Iran? Americans and Europeans imposed drastic sanctions without a proper UN vote.

Weesterwelle: We have already eleven rounds of sanctions against Syria behind us, and others will follow. Iran is something else: A nuclear-armed country would constitute a significant threat to the security situation in the region, including Israel, our partner. It would be a significant threat to the security architecture of the world.

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February 13th, 2012, 6:17 am

 

59. Juergen said:

SPIEGEL Interview with the King of Bahrain

‘Arab Spring? That’s the Business of Other Countries’

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,814915,00.html

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February 13th, 2012, 6:18 am

 

60. Syrialover said:

# 53 Off the Wall

I join you in yearning for the old SC and the quality contributors to the comments section, including Idaf, before “what has been for the past year a mad-house of malicious cut and paste and masked sectarianism.”

The sad truth is that some of those you refer to have only taken an interest in Syria and discovered SC after the situation there made shock headlines. Others appear to be commenting in SC as part of their job requirements.

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February 13th, 2012, 7:00 am

 

61. Tara said:

The AL has in effect declared war on Bashar yesterday. They publicly vowed to fully support the opposition financially and politically. General Assembly to discuss Syria today. Is it going to be another humiliating day for Bashar, now in the international arena?

I am sure the roth of the dethert is worried.

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February 13th, 2012, 7:13 am

 

62. Mathieu Baudier said:

This would be very helpful if you could provide a list of these other Syrian opposition groups, or best maintain a page about them.

Thanks in advance!

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February 13th, 2012, 8:40 am

 

63. majedkhaldoun said:

I am looking forward for a good meeting in Tunisia,on the 24 of february, the friends of democratic Syria,very important things will happen there, and yes today The general assembly of the UN is great, the time for Assad to gloat is over.

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February 13th, 2012, 9:02 am

 

64. zoo said:

The impossible challenge to the Arab League: How can the armed groups agree to a ceasefire?

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-resumes-shelling-rejecting-peace-force-080736923.html
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

“In order to deploy a peacekeeping mission, you need the agreement of the receiving side.

“In other words, you need to agree something resembling a ceasefire. But the problem is that the armed groups that are fighting the Syrian regime do not answer to anyone and are not controlled by anyone.”
{..}

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February 13th, 2012, 9:38 am

 

65. irritated said:

#57 Tara

“Is it going to be another humiliating day for Bashar”

Which was the first?
I guess you are mixed up, until now the strongest public humiliation has been to the GCC and there ‘friends’ with the veto. They have still not recovered as they show numerous symptoms of hysteria.

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February 13th, 2012, 9:44 am

 

66. equus said:

the corporate-financier media led by CNN, and in particular CIA-asset Anderson Cooper, has conducted a non-stop propaganda campaign based entirely on “activist” say so centered around the Syrian city of Homs. Journalistic integrity and neutrality have been shamelessly abandoned, evident by CNN headlines reading, “Ruthless Assad rides wave of slaughter.”

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29251

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February 13th, 2012, 9:49 am

 

67. irritated said:

#58 Majedalkhaldoon

“very important things will happen there”

Sure! As the AL meetings, the UNSC etc… that made things worse.
Maybe the presence of the USA will help to make it even worse, as it always does.
Important, yes, useful no.

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February 13th, 2012, 9:49 am

 

68. zoo said:

Familiar sounds: America is faced with “evil”, what to do?

Why Obama Should Go Slow in Syria
Feb 13, 2012 12:00 AM EST
Violence in Syria escalates by the day. The drumbeat for war in Washington mounts. Why Obama should go slow.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/12/why-obama-should-go-slow-in-syria.html

Faced with evil, Americans always want to be on the side of the angels. So American interventionists, hawks, and human-rights types are banding together, as they did in Libya, to stop President Bashar al-Assad from killing his people. But when interventionists become avenging angels, they blind themselves and the nation, and run dangerously amok. They plunge in with no plans, with half-baked plans, with demands to supply arms to rebels they know nothing about, with ideas for no-fly zones and bombing. Their good intentions could pave the road to hell for Syrians—preserving lives today, but sacrificing many more later.
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February 13th, 2012, 9:55 am

 

69. Molly O'Neal said:

I hope the author this post is correct and that the democratic (real) opposition can gain traction relative to others. I think that this opposition however might find it shares the fate of the Egyptian liberals and is marginal because of a poor electoral showing in a polarized environment post – Assad.
The real opposition should in my opinion offer now a set of constitutional proposals that will protect the rights of the minority communities who are still supporting the regime because they fear an illiberal future….
This would contribute to a peaceful outcome…

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February 13th, 2012, 9:57 am

 

70. zoo said:

China silent on call for Syria peacekeeping force
By AP News Feb 13, 2012 6:27PM UTC
http://asiancorrespondent.com/75895/china-silent-on-call-for-syria-peacekeeping-force/

BEIJING (AP) — China refused Monday to say if it backs an Arab League call for the U.N. Security Council to create a joint peacekeeping force for Syria, the latest bid to end the violence that has killed more than 5,000 there.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin refused to directly answer repeated questions on whether it would support the league’s call. He said China backs the Arab League’s “political mediation efforts.”

He reiterated China’s stance that it wanted to see Syrian authorities and opposition forces “properly solve their disputes through dialogue.”
{…}

China, for its part, offered no clear signal of its intentions. “Relevant moves by the United Nations should be conducive towards lessening tension in Syria, pushing political dialogue and resolving differences, as well as maintaining peace and stability in the Middle East, rather than complicating things,” a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman, Liu Weimin, told a regular news briefing in Beijing, Reuters said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/world/middleeast/syrian-forces-continue-attack-on-homs.html?_r=1

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February 13th, 2012, 9:58 am

 

71. jna said:

54. Juergensaid: “…Iran is something else: A nuclear-armed country would constitute a significant threat to the security situation in the region, including Israel, our partner. …”

There you have it, the huge double standard. When will the Western nations work for a completely nuclear-weapon-free Middle East?

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February 13th, 2012, 10:34 am

 

72. zoo said:

Burhan Ghalioun’s hopeful new vision

Burhan Ghalioun, leader of the opposition Syrian National Council, welcomed the moves as “a first step” towards the fall of Assad’s regime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/world/middleeast/syrian-forces-continue-attack-on-homs.html?_r=1

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February 13th, 2012, 10:34 am

 

73. zoo said:

UK rebuffs Arab League latest ‘breakthrough’ request

UK says ‘no Western troops in Syria force’
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/uk-says-no-western-troops-in-syria-force.aspx?pageID=238&nID=13671&NewsCatID=351
CAPE TOWN – Agence France-Presse

British Foreign Secretary William Hague called for urgent talks on an Arab League proposal for peacekeepers in in Syria today, but said Western nations were unlikely to join the force.

“I don’t see the way forward in Syria as being Western boots on the ground, in any form, including in peacekeeping form,” he told a news conference during a visit to South Africa.

“But of course if such a concept could be made viable we will be supporting it in all the usual ways.” He added that success depended on a “credible ceasefire” being established and an end to President Bashar al-Assad’s crackdown on civilians.

“Of course for peacekeepers to operate successfully, there must be a peace to keep. So far it has not been possible to secure that,” he said.
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February 13th, 2012, 10:41 am

 

74. jad said:

Zoo,

The French did the same :) a double slap in the face of Qatar and KSA!

حذّر وزير الخارجية الفرنسي آلان جوبيه من اي تدخل عسكري خارجي في سورية.
المصدر: وكالات-عربي برس

http://arabi-press.com/?page=article&id=22625

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February 13th, 2012, 10:50 am

 

75. zoo said:

Western media ‘selective’ in Syria reports
Published: 13 February, 2012, 13:42

http://rt.com/news/media-syria-reports-winstanley-153/

Reports about hundreds of dead and wounded coming from Syria on a daily basis has become commonplace in Western media, while the sources of such information often are not verified properly, investigative journalist Asa Winstanley told RT.

According to Winstanley anti-Assad media willingly cite unconfirmed information from sources on the ground in Syria or Iran because the govts of each “are seen as anti-Western regimes.” But when reporting on Israeli military actions in Palestine, the same media use activists on the ground far less regularly.

“The media seem to be quite selective of the pass [of information],” Winstanley claims.

For example, mainstream channels, like BBC, Al Jazeera and CNN, were taken in by Mousab Azzawi, a man who called himself a spokesperson for a UK-based group Syrian Human Rights Observatory. After appearing on TV, Azzawi’s political views like calling for a no-fly zone and international intervention into Syria were widely quoted.

But later on, the founder of the Observatory Rami Abdulrahman said Azzawi has nothing to do with SOHR and that the organization is strongly against a no-fly zone over Syria.

“It is just embarrassing, for example for the BBC, to say ‘Well, we did not properly checked this guy,’” Winstanley says, describing the situation with controversial Syrian opposition spokesperson getting prime time on leading TV channels.

“For the situation in Syria, it is very difficult to get reliable information from anyone,” says Winstanley, naming the regime not allowing free access for foreign journalists in the country as the main reason for that.

Winstanley finds the opposition Syrian National Council being openly in favor of establishing no-fly zone over Syria a ridiculous move, since there has been not a single claim that the Assad regime bombed people.

“[The] no-fly zone seems to be a political pretext to invade [Syria],” claims Asa Winstanley.

“Any foreign intervention into Syria would be a disaster,” Winstanley says, claiming it will not only lead to a huge confrontation but would increase the support of the regime within the country as well.

As the example of Iran has proved any threats from outside give a regime the right to say “you have to support us because otherwise you can get bombed.”

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February 13th, 2012, 10:50 am

 

76. zoo said:

Jad

I guess it is not Bashar al Assad who is ‘increasingly isolated’ and ‘embattled’ but it is the Arab League under the “supreme guidance” of Qatar as they keep coming up with new counterproductive and desperate demands to cover up the failure of the previous ones.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:00 am

 

77. jad said:

More ‘huff an puff’ about the terrorists attack in Aleppo, and NO, Syrialover, bombing and terrorism acts should be ‘objected’ by all not ‘Only those linked to them’.

Louai Hussein after his accusation of the Syrian regime in the terrorists attacks in Damascus changed his mind and thinks that Alqaeda might be behind those attacks after all:

معارض سوري: لا أستبعد ضلوع القاعدة في تفجيرات دمشق وحلب

قال رئيس تيار بناء الدولة السوري لؤي حسين في مقابلة مع قناة “روسيا اليوم” إن دعوة زعيم القاعدة أيمن الظواهري السوريين الى عدم الاعتماد على الحكومات الغربية أو العربية في ما وصفه بالانتفاضة ضد نظام الرئيس بشار الاسد، هي محاولة لإستغلال الانفلات الأمني الذي تشهده البلاد.

واعتبر المعارض ان الانفلات الأمني الذي حصل تسببت به السلطة خلال قمعها للحراك الاحتجاجي في سورية، وبالتالي تسببت في فتح الحدود وظهور بعض التيارات والمجموعات المتطرفة، مؤكدا ضرورة اخذ تهديدات القاعدة على محمل الجد، لان الانفلات الأمني يسمح للقاعدة بدخول البلاد والعمل “على اطراف” الحراك الشعبي وان القاعدة ستجد في سورية اهدافا كثيرة وسهلة الوصول.

كما لم يستبعد لؤي حسين ضلوع القاعدة في التفجيرات الأخيرة التي وقعت في دمشق وحلب، مشددا على ضرورة مواجهة القاعدة ليس الى جانب النظام بل بانهاء هذا النظام، الذي تسبب بدخولها.

http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/578438/

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February 13th, 2012, 11:01 am

 

78. jad said:

Pretty soon, Russia and China will slap the ‘genius’ goats’ princes again:

لافروف: موسكو تريد ايضاحات حول بنود قرار ارسال بعثة حفظ السلام الى سورية
http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/578463/

الصين تتجنب الاعلان عن موقفها ازاء ارسال قوات سلام الى سورية
http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/578482/

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February 13th, 2012, 11:08 am

 

79. jad said:

Zoo
Soon, Russia and China will slap them too.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:11 am

 

80. Aldendeshe said:

@WSS

You call my unwavering support to Israel and my encouragement to the Likud bravery in calling for storming the Temple Mount a “Provocation”. I really want to donate money for this cause. Do you know of any Israeli organization that campaign for the legitimate Jewish National right to build the Temple?

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February 13th, 2012, 11:17 am

 

81. jna said:

67. zoosaid: …“Of course for peacekeepers to operate successfully, there must be a peace to keep. So far it has not been possible to secure that,” he said. …

The Arab League and its Western backers are making the same mistake they made at the UN Security Council. For any of these peace plans to be effective they have to work first with the opposition to create an agreement to enter into a political process in Syria. Their petulant refusal to do so up to now is blocking any ceasefire, any meaningful government reforms, and any non-violent deposing of the Assad regime. Stop calling names and start working constructively. What good is a new constitution without opposition input and backing, what good are elections without opposition participation??

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February 13th, 2012, 11:29 am

 

82. Mawal95 said:

Commenter Idaf above says: “The FSA is a myth, as there is no coordinated group of militants across the country, only hundreds of small militias that have nothing in common.” But, as already mentioned by Revlon #17, it is a fact and it is no myth that all the street protesters nationwide every Friday for the last few months have been chanting and extolling the FSA by name (“jaysh el-hur”).

Meanwhile as quoted by commenter Juergen above, the foreign minister of Germany Guido Westerwelle said shortly after the UNSC veto by Russia & China: “The Russian side has repeatedly stated that it does not only see the Syrian government as the only source of violence but also the opposition. I have with Hillary Clinton and other colleagues made it clear that we do not accept such a relativist view.”

That is a spectacularly and extraordinarily bigoted view. It is in denial of the reality plain to us all.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:33 am

 

83. majedkhaldoun said:

UN Ibrahim Ja3fari speech ,a lot of it culd be used against him,
I like the libyan speech.

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February 13th, 2012, 12:19 pm

 

84. jad said:

الدكتور بشار الجعفري الجمعية العمومية 13-2-2012
http://youtu.be/21DfRO7QGLU

مداخلة د بشار الجعفري امام مجلس حقوق الانسان 13 2 2012

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February 13th, 2012, 12:22 pm

 

85. jad said:

The Libyans are now a ‘model’ for human rights after all the killings they did and still doing..how convincing!

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February 13th, 2012, 12:26 pm

 

86. jad said:

The Syrian Opposition’s Great Mistake

As the Syrian opposition abandons non-violent protest for armed resistance, many people think this means that President Bashar al-Assad and his Baathist regime are in even deeper trouble than before. On the contrary, it means that Assad and the Baathists are winning.
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Non-violent protesters have a whole menu of actions they can take to undermine the regime’s authority: mass demonstrations, strikes, sit-ins, stay-at-homes and much more. They also have a strict rule never to use violence against the regime and its servants – not because the protesters are pacifists, but because non-violence works better.

It gets better results because if the protesters avoid violence, it is almost impossible for a dictator to unleash all the force at his command. The regime’s troops and police will kill a few protesters each day, or even a few dozen, but they are psychologically deterred from mass killing because the protesters pose no direct threat to them.
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It is a disaster for the Syrian opposition: their death-toll has now risen to hundreds each week, but the deaths have less moral impact because they are happening in what is becoming a mere civil war. Ugly and destructive though that will be, Assad’s regime has a better chance of survival now than it did when the protests were strictly non-violent.

Gwynne Dyer is a London-based independent journalist.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/the-syrian-oppositions-great-mistake.aspx?pageID=449&nID=13512&NewsCatID=418

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February 13th, 2012, 12:37 pm

 

87. 873 said:

“Why don’t you hear about them?”

Stop believing the spin. NATO, Inc isnt looking for democracy or freedom truthers. Its looking for a compliant Syrian client government. Those ‘rogue splinter factions’ (meaning the real average man-on-the-street) dont have the power or obediance to deliver it. Once the next NATO-backed puppet is installed, these successor puppets will be given a free hand to smash the said dissident ‘rogue terrorists’ ala Libya and Iraq.

Or maybe NATO will import the Taliban to rule- who they’re currently in talks with to reinstall as Afghanistan’s government. Al Qaeda’s already got boots on the ground in Syria so the two could link up with NATO’s other proxy, the Muslim Bros for the “Jasmine Revolution” to come full flower.

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February 13th, 2012, 12:50 pm

 

88. Jerusalem said:

I liked the article by Idaf but it has some contradicting paragraphs.
For instance:
Syrians who want a solution should focus on channeling their energy towards reducing the impact of the fall of the regime rather than supporting the SNC/FSA or supporting the regime out of fear of the “FSA”, the Islamists or the militants.
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Fine I personally agree; but with this solution you are asking Syrians to make a choice.

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Then:

Everyone should stop simply forcing the Syrians to chose between the Regime or SNC/FSA/Islamists. These are not the only options.
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In this sentence you are asking not to make a choice.
Well if you need to soft land the regime you must support it at least for now until all outsiders are out. Then we work on changes.

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February 13th, 2012, 1:02 pm

 

89. jad said:

After exposing the manipulations of the aerial photos done by the State Department and used in Ford interview in the media, here:

The State Department Lies With Its Satellite Pictures Of Syria – No Artillery “Deployed”
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/02/lying-with-pictures.html

Syriatruth get even deeper to explain about other lies in the aerial photos presented by Ford, be ready to hear more about similar lies soon:

السفير الأميركي في دمشق يقوم بأكبر عملية نصب واحتيال ، و”حمير”المعارضة تنقاد وراءه

فورد استخدم صورا ملتقطة في العام 2011 ، وادعى أنها في هذا الشهر، علما بأنها لقوات عسكرية مرابطة في حمص منذ ربع قرن تقريبا!؟

ملاحظة : التحقيق التالي أعده الصحفي السوري نزار نيوف لصالح البرنامج السوري في “المركز الأوربي لدراسات وأبحاث الشرق الأدنى في لندن”، وقد أعاد صياغته بالعربية خصيصا لموقع”الحقيقة” ، مع إضافة بعض التعليقات القاسية التي عرف بها أسلوبه، وبعض الشروح المخصصة للقارىء السوري والعربي عموما.

لندن ، الحقيقة ( خاص من : نزار نيوف): في العاشر من الشهر الجاري ، وعلى صفحته الخاصة من موقع ” فيسبوك”، نشر السفير الأميركي في دمشق روبرت فورد صورة ملتقطة بالأقمار الصناعية لمنطقة حمص ، وبشكل خاص “باباعمرو”. وهي من شركة “ديجيتال غلوب” لخدمات الأقمار الصناعية التجارية. وقد أعاد الموقع الرسمي لوزارة الخارجية الأميركية نشر الصورة مع الاستنتاجات التي توصل إليها فورد، فضلا عن صور أخرى خاصة بالخارجية الأميركية. وبعد أقل من ساعة على نشرها ، سارعت المواقع العربية والأجنبية ( انظر هنا فورن بوليسي ، مثلا) إلى استنساخها وترديد ما ادعاه وادعته وزارته بشأنها ، بما في ذلك مواقع المعارضة السورية كلها ، بشقيها الوطني ـ الديمقراطي ، الذي تمثله ” هيئة التنسيق الوطني” و حركة معا من أجل سوريا ديمقراطية”.. إلخ ، و الشق العميل الذي يمثله ” المجلس الوطني السوري” المدار من قبل أجهزة الاستخبارات الأجنبية ، الأميركية والفرنسية والخليجية ، وسواها.

الصور تدعي ، أو بالأدق : السفير وإدارته جعلاها تدعي، أنها تظهر ( في باباعمرو) عربات مدفعية وبنايات محترقة و حفرا ناجمة عن قصف مدفعي! أما في الزبداني بريف دمشق ، فهي تظهر ما أسمته “عربات مدفعية تدعم عمليات أمنية تقوم بها الحكومة السورية”!

ما قام به فورد ووزارته يشكل واحدة من أكبر عمليات الاحتيال التي لا يقوم بها إلا نصّاب خسيس وحقير. إذ إن الهدف منها هو تحضير الرأي العام العالمي وتحريضه استباقيا على قبول فكرة الغزو العسكري لسوريا على غرار ما حصل في بنغازي تماما . فيومها فبركت الدول الغربية أكذوبة رخيصة زعمت أن طوابير من دبابات نظام القذافي في طريقها إلى بنغازي لإبادة أهلها ، وبالتالي لا بد من مسارعة الحلف الأطلسي لإنقاذهم! وهذا ما حصل بعد “الغطاء” الذي وفرته جامعة الكلاب العرب تحت إدارة عمرو موسى ومن ورائه جواسيس واشنطن في دول الخليج. وقد تبين بعد الحرب أن الأمر لم يكن سوى “فبريكة” رخيصة مثل بقية الأكاذيب الأخرى كحكاية المرتزقة الأفارقة وحكاية اغتصاب الجنود الليبيين للنساء! لكن الأحقر من فورد ووزارته ، والأكثر خسة منه ، هم أولئك المعارضون الذين اجتروا أكذوبة السفير ووزارته ورددوا مزاعمهما مثل قطيع من الأغنام والبعير دون أن يفكروا ولو للحظة واحدة بمناقشة ما قالاه أو التدقيق فيه، ناهيكم عن التدقيق في الصور. والحق إن جريمة هؤلاء أكبر ونذالتهم أخسّ وغباءهم أشد وأدهى ، لأنهم أبناء البلد ويعرفون المنطقة أكثر من أي شخص آخر.

على مدار اليومين الماضيين كنت أحلل الصور وأدرسها بعمق ، مع الاستعانة بصور “غوغول إيرث” و ” ويكيمابيا” لمطابقة المناطق الجغرافية التي يتحدثان عنها وتحديد إحداثياتها بدقة. وإليكم ما توصلت إليه بعد 16 ساعة من العمل المتواصل:

[…]

http://www.syriatruth.org/news/tabid/93/Article/6692/Default.aspx

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February 13th, 2012, 1:05 pm

 
 

91. ann said:

As Arab League Proposes al-Khatib, Libya UN Fiasco & Banning Not Answered

http://www.innercitypress.com/syria1khatib021212.html

UNITED NATIONS, February 12 — When UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon visited Jordan earlier this year, he apparently didn’t even speak with Abdel Elah al-Khatib, the Jordanian politician and businessman who had a rocky term as UN envoy to Libya, complete with conflicts of interest, and then quit.

On February 9, the day after Ban told the media he had discussed a joint envoy with the Arab League’s Nabil Elaraby, Inner City Press asked Ban’s spokesman Martin Nesirky when, in fact, Ban last spoke with al-Khatib. Nesirky said he found find out and answer the question, but four days later has not.

Al-Khatib never disclosed nor stopped his business activities, which Inner City Press showed included links to a Gaddafi-affiliated bank in Libya, while serving as envoy. He demanded private jets and made UN staff assigned to help him cry, from abuse. Then he was eased out by current UN envoy Ian Martin, and quit — all this according to well placed sources in the UN Department of Political Affairs, and then unconvincingly denied.

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February 13th, 2012, 1:09 pm

 

92. jad said:

Equus,
Thank you for the link.

‘Syria Danny’, Disgusting!!

“CNN promotes Lyin Joe Lieberman and a brand new “Gay Girl in Damascus” psyop! Now they got “Syrian Danny” who is a British citizen pleading for a NATO bombing in Syria. This guy says the only thing that can save the country he does not live in is for the United States or Israel to bomb the shit out of them like we did in Libya. How brave of him sitting in London somewhere to ask NATO to blow up Syria.”

Global Media Promotes Syrian “Activist” Begging For Military Invasion
‘Syria Danny’ – British citizen used as poster child for war propaganda

“We want Israel” and “NATO to “Bombard Syria”…how pathetic is that!
CNN about Syria with activist danny abd aldayem 2
http://youtu.be/SO2e-lnCUmY

http://www.prisonplanet.com/global-media-promotes-syrian-activist-begging-for-military-invasion.html

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February 13th, 2012, 1:30 pm

 

93. ann said:

Escalating situation in Syria evokes fears of similar Iraqi fate – 2012-02-13

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-02/13/c_131407673.htm

DAMASCUS, Feb. 12 (Xinhua) — The accelerated situation and the obsession of almost all world countries, including major powers, about the Syrian crisis have drawn many question marks about the future of this small but influential country and evoked fears that it’s nudged towards a new Kosovo or at least a new Iraq.

The Syrian government’s decision to harshly track down alleged terrorist groups in restive Syrian cities has been encountered by vitriolic criticism from world countries, accusing it of capitalizing on the recent Russian and Chinese veto at the UN Security Council that has blocked a resolution condemning the Syrian government’s violence against protesters.

The harsh crackdown also raised concern about new measures against Syria, including a possible military intervention or at least an imminent civil war.

Internally, terrorism is strongly beating. The northern province of Aleppo was rocked on Friday with two suicide blasts that claimed the lives of 28 people and the injury of 234 others.

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February 13th, 2012, 1:32 pm

 

94. ann said:

Syrian representative challenges meeting on human rights in Syria – 2012-02-14

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-02/14/c_122696452.htm

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) — Bashar Ja’afari, the Syrian permanent representative to the UN, on Monday attempted to stop a UN General Assembly meeting on recent events in his country on the basis of an alleged violation of assembly procedures, but was overruled.

While stating his objections before the assembly at the start of Monday’s session, Ja’afari said that the president of the General Assembly, Nassir Abdulaziz Al-Nasser, called the meeting based on a “political paradigm which is totally irrelevant to established practice” as well as prior assembly resolutions.

“Therefore, my delegation objects to the convening of this meeting and calls to cancel it because there is a core violation in the procedural mechanisms on which the meeting was held and because there was a legal violation that also violates the procedures that govern the work of the General Assembly,” said Ja’ afari.

The meeting was set to discuss a report of the Human Rights Council (HRC) on Syria that was adopted during a special session of the HRC on Dec. 2, 2011 with 37 nations in favor, four against, and six abstentions.

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February 13th, 2012, 1:42 pm

 

95. ann said:

Chinese state councilor, U.S. secretary of state hold phone talk on ties, Xi’s visit, Syria – 2012-02-14

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-02/14/c_122696430.htm

Dai and Clinton also had a frank and in-depth exchange of views on the current Syria situation.

Both of them agreed that all kinds of violence should be immediately stopped and the peace and stability of Syria and the Middle East should be achieved through political settlement.

Dai stressed that the Syria issue was essentially Syria’s internal affair. China’s position on Syria had been objective and fair, and its attitude was responsible, which was in accordance with the purposes and principles of the UN Charter and the basic norms governing international relations.

He said China’s open and aboveboard behaviors could stand the test of history. China backed the efforts of Arab countries to solve the Syria issues through political settlement and would cooperate with the international community to play a constructive role in solving the Syria issue properly.

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February 13th, 2012, 2:01 pm

 

96. ann said:

At UN, Pillay Testifies Over Objection of Syria, Which Invokes Al Qaeda

http://www.innercitypress.com/ga5syria021312.html

UNITED NATIONS, February 13 — When the General Assembly session on Syria began Monday morning, Syrian Permanent Representative Bashar Ja’afari made an objection or point of order, that the session was merely on the whim of the Qatari President of the GA, and not in accordance with GA rules.

He asked for an “independent” legal opinion from the UN, presumably from Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s top lawyer Patricia O’Brien.

Not responding to the legal argument, the PGA asked the Syrian if he wanted to object under Rule 71 and have a vote. To some, it was akin to a judge responding to an objection by saying, shall we poll those in the courtroom? And so the meeting proceeded.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay recounted what her office has found. Afterward, Inner City Press asked Pillay what she made of Ja’afari’s statements about Al Qaeda killings. She said that can be reviewed by Commisison of Inquiry.

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February 13th, 2012, 2:09 pm

 

97. ann said:

Britain ‘would provide support but not troops for Syria peacekeeping mission’ – 13 February 2012

Britain would provide funding and support for a joint United Nations-Arab League peacekeeping mission in Syria but could not go as far as contributing troops on the ground, William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, suggested on Monday.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9079546/Britain-would-provide-support-but-not-troops-for-Syria-peacekeeping-mission.html

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February 13th, 2012, 2:22 pm

 

98. 873 said:

87. 873 said:

“Why don’t you hear about them?”

Stop believing the spin. NATO, Inc isnt looking for democracy or freedom truthers. Its looking for a compliant Syrian client government. Those ‘rogue splinter factions’ (meaning the real average man-on-the-street) dont have the power or obediance to deliver it. Once the next NATO-backed puppet is installed, these successor puppets will be given a free hand to smash the said dissident ‘rogue terrorists’ ala Libya and Iraq.

Or maybe NATO will import the Taliban to rule- who they’re currently in talks with to reinstall as Afghanistan’s government. Al Qaeda’s already got boots on the ground in Syria so the two could link up with NATO’s other proxy, the Muslim Bros for the “Jasmine Revolution” to come full flower.
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I rest my case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099957/Video-proof-Libyas-freedom-fighters-turned-brutal-torturers.html

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February 13th, 2012, 2:23 pm

 

99. 873 said:

97. ann said:

Britain ‘would provide support but not troops for Syria peacekeeping mission’ – 13 February 2012

So Brits just in it this round for reconaissance? Great chance to spy on Syria for their pending attack. UK advisors already in country along with their Muslim terror/protester proxies.

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February 13th, 2012, 2:28 pm

 

100. Khalid Tlass said:

Test…

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February 13th, 2012, 2:29 pm

 

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