“The Real Opposition in Syria is Not the Syrian National Council or Free Syrian Army,” by Idaf

The Real Opposition in Syria is Not the Syrian National Council or Free Syrian Army
By Idaf (who recently left Syria and has been working with opposition activists)
12 February 2012 for Syria Comment

It’s a grave mistake to put all opposition in one group. Some are worse than the regime, some as bad, others are smart, savvy with a plan. Of course you only hear in the news (and sometimes though selective attention as Alex calls it) about those pushed by the different powers (Qatar, France, Saudi, etc.) like the Syrian National Council (SNC) and the Free Syrian Army (FSA), because they best fit the agenda of the sensationalist media. Everybody (including Ehsani in his previous article) willingly ignore the large activist networks on the ground and those independent and rational political opposition groups inside who are not proxies for other powers, who have a plan and working for a state after the regime is gone, not for revenge like the opposition you hear about in the media.

Simplifying things by using the “Regime vs. SNC/FSA” shallow lens only helps the regime. Media, policy makers and think tanks should be educated about the richness of the opposition and how they should focus more on the real opposition, not the one shoved by the Aljazeera down the throat of Syrians (SNC) or the FSA myth that perfectly fits the agenda of regime, the Islamists, and the media, all at the same time. As someone who is in touch with all key opposition groups and the activists on the ground, I can tell you that I’m fed up with the simplified, naive views and the manipulative perception management tactics that aim to draw unrealistic picture about the conflict by conveniently framing it simply as idiot proxies and armed elements (SNC/FSA) vs. the brutal mass-murderer autocratic regime (the regime). While both description of the two groups are accurate, but there is much more to the opposition than the SNC and FSA.

The amount of political opportunism, corruption, lack of vision and lack of independence in the SNC is staggering and identical to the Iraqi National Congress. The SNC is becoming less relevant by the day. The FSA is a myth, as there is no coordinated group of militants across the country, only hundreds of small militias that have nothing in common in terms of ideology, arms, political awareness or anything else for that matter. Pushing the “FSA” in the media is just a media phenomenon that fits some agendas and gives false hope to the people inside. It also fits nicely with the regime’s line.

The real opposition is maturing and growing in influence inside and on the ground away from the influence of Qatar, Turkey, Saudi, France or the US. It is a matter of time before the regime gives way. Soon the SNC will be simply remembered as something like one of the many Iraqi opportunistic opposition groups that mushroomed just before the war on Iraq. The FSA myth will be debunked but the militias will continue to exist. The regime maybe able to crush or maneuver its way for a while with a combination of “Souria Allah 7amiha” strikes of luck coupled with idiotic strategic mistakes from the SNC/FSA, but new more realistic, mature, civic and political powers are taking shape on the ground and will be emerging as powerful players soon. Even if the regime survives this round, there will be new rounds between an exhausted regime and new re-envigorated opposition groups. Forget the SNC and the FSA if you want to talk about the future. The simplistic media and analysts can continue to focus on them as they are sensational enough for media consumption for Syrians abroad, for Arabs and for westerners who are entertaining themselves with watching another Syrian TV series. This time it’s not باب الحارة ["The Door of the Neighborhood," a famous TV series] featuring macho conflicts of good vs. bad on MBC, but باب الخرا ["The door of Shit,"] perception manipulations on Aljazeera and other media. The reality is happening on the ground inside (and online on closed social media networks) with brave and thoughtful groups of Syrians who are working on interim solutions for the conflict, for long term ones for a sustainable state and for justice rather than revenge.

Syrians who want a solution should focus on channeling their energy towards reducing the impact of the fall of the regime rather than supporting the SNC/FSA or supporting the regime out of fear of the “FSA”, the Islamists or the militants. Everyone should stop simply forcing the Syrians to chose between the Regime or SNC/FSA/Islamists. These are not the only options. Far from it.

They are multiple movements shaping and reshaping on weekly basis. Most activists are learning and maturing with time. They change their views and jump from one group to another according to events and developments. When one’s friend or family gets detained or killed they move from peaceful to supporting violence. When you argue with those supporting violence they change their mind, etc. The movements are in constant change but you can notice the fast organic maturity.

Why don’t you hear about them?

1- The international media is lazy and sloppy and has settled for simplifying things. They like a good vs. bad story and don’t want to lose their audience by explaining the complex reality.
2- The movements themselves are secretive in nature as the only survival tactic.
3- Most of these movements bring together people with different political and ideological points of view. They work on unified broad lines. As such they focus more on 3amal maydani [work on the ground] and not political action.
4- In most of these movements, politics is frowned upon and activism is glorified. Doing politics publicly (even as opposition to the regime) is still viewed as opportunism and “riding the revolution”. It’ a matter of time till some of these groups get enough legitimacy to lead politically. In other words, doing politics is still suicide within the revolution. Only those groups or individuals that have some sort of earlier political legitimacy can work publicly in politics (and very few have survived or remain in the country due to the brutality of the regime).

These are some of the reasons.

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151. Shabbi7 said:

Jad,

Thanks for sharing the Ja`fari speech video. I was looking all over for it. I read all the news stories about what Pillay said and there was not a single word about Ja`fari speaking.

Halabi,

There is stupid, and then there is you. You’re really something special. Are you also a believer of the equally-brilliant assessment that Syria, Hizbullah, and Israel are secretly allies working to undermine the democratic 100-year-old Gulf family
monarchies?

[WARNING - do NOT indulge in personal attacks]

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February 13th, 2012, 9:10 pm

 

152. zoo said:

Venezuela slams Western powers for seeking regime change in Syria
2012-02-14 06:07:51
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-02/14/c_122696661.htm

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) — Venezuela on Monday criticized Western countries for their efforts to arm, finance and train opposition militia in Syria to topple the Syrian government, saying that “they do not believe in political dialogue for finding a peaceful solution to the situation in Syria.”

The statement came as Jorge Valero, Venezuela’s deputy foreign minister to North America and permanent representative to the UN, was taking the floor at a plenary meeting of the UN General Assembly on the human rights situation in Syria.

“On behalf of humanitarian assistance, of the defense of human rights, and of the ‘Responsibility to Protect’, imperial powers, and some of their allies, arm, finance, advice and train opposition militias to overthrow the government of President Bashar al-Assad,” he said.

“It is evident that these powers and their allies do not want peace, they do not care about human rights or democracy, they do not believe in political dialogue for finding a peaceful solution to the situation in Syria,” he said. “They seek a regime change in order to replace — through violence — the government of President Bashar al-Assad.”

“For that reason, they belittle the political reforms that the Syrian head of state has carried out,” he said. “For this reason, they despise the mediation efforts of the Russian Federation, which seek a peaceful and negotiated to the situation in that country.”
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February 13th, 2012, 9:16 pm

 

153. Tara said:

Zoo@139

Loved it.  The woman is very progressive.  I too support sex education in school and I also support her call to all women in the eve of St. Valentine to enjoy love.

My turn now, this is the best quote I read about love in a while. 

*Have you ever been in love? Horrible isn’t it? It makes you so vulnerable. It opens your chest and opens your heart and it means someone can get inside and mess you up. You build up all these defenses. You build up a whole wall of armor for years, so nothing can hurt you. Then one stupid person, no different from any other stupid person, wanders into your stupid life. You give them a piece of you. They don’t ask for it. They do something dumb one day like smile at you, and then your life isn’t your own anymore. Love takes hostages. It gets inside of you and eats you out and leaves you crying in the darkness, so a simple phrase like ‘maybe we can just be friends’ or ” I am sorry, I am not interested in establishing any contact…” turns into a glass splinter working it’s way into your heart, it hurts, not just in the imagination, not just in the mind. It’s a soul-hurt, a body-hurt, a real gets-inside-you-and-rips-you-apart pain. I hate love*

{………….}

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February 13th, 2012, 9:28 pm

 

154. Equus said:

Hilarious

Bahrain’s King Says Assad Should Listen to His People
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,814664,00.html

As if Bahrain is super calm.

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February 13th, 2012, 9:35 pm

 

155. Hans said:

It is amazing the mountain of lies mounted on every western media news about Syria.
CNN, Fox, BBC, French 24 are showing Syria going on Flames and worse that the Syrian army is the cause.
I got off the phone with people who have people in Damascus and other towns, who confirmed to me that the terrorists in Homs are burning tires on the top of the roofs to pretend that it is bombs from the artillery… The mercenaries in Homs are using the innocent people as a human shield… all the footage by the western media has fabrication add it.

many people reporting the situation in Damascus, Homs is much calmer and the people on the ground are more convinced that foreigners are fighting in Syria, which is not help to the revolution but it makes it weaker, bloodier and rejected by more Syrians.
it is clear that the support of the regime if not strengthening is not wavering either.
no mass population joining the so called revolution and every new terrorist attack anywhere in Syria it reminds the population of the bloody hands of the MB and the devil work of the USA in Iraq, it makes Syrian rejecting anything from the outsiders, the west has failed miserably in Syria this time!!! first they didn’t understand Syria geopolitical fabric and that Syria is not Libya. USA is retracting its position on Syria and will see that a dialogue with Assad being on the Helm is the answer at least for months if not years.
The other side who is not wavering is Russia and China and the west has to accept and also respect that it is not blank check anymore.

The sectarian war between Alawite and Sunni spreading to Lebanon where in Tripoli, there have been some eruption of conflicts.
it is the best thing can happen for Assad that the conflict spread to Lebanon and the can of warm opens up and burns the MB and its allies.
reports all over the news about Alqaida spreading already in Syria, the same Alqaida, Assad helped the Americans to destroy in Iraq what an irony!!!
It is clear that the money Bush gave to the Syrian opposition went to no one but Alqaida in Syria what a coincidence that Obama is supporting same policy of Bush.
if anyone can stop and think about this, will conclude that America is who created Alqaida in the first place and using it to kill the Arabs each others.
Only history will tell!!!

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February 13th, 2012, 10:05 pm

 

156. Norman said:

This is what is coming to Syria ,

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تهجير أسر مصرية قبطية بعد علاقة جنسية بين مسيحي ومسلمة

صبري حسنين GMT 19:00:00 2012 الإثنين 13 فبراير

أثار قرار لجنة تحكيم عرفية طرد 8 أسر قبطية وأسرة مسلمة من قرية في محافظة الإسكندرية، على خلفية وجود علاقة جنسية بين شاب مسيحي وفتاة مسلمة، الكثير من الغضب بين نواب برلمانيين ونشطاء قبطيين. معتبرين أن هذه القرارات جائرة على الأقباط، وتزيد من إحتقانهم، فضلاً عن أنها تعدّ إهداراً لسيادة القانون، التي قامت الثورة من أجل تثبيتها، مطالبين بأعمال القانون، وتجاهل الجلسات العرفية، التي كان النظام السابق يتبعها في التعامل مع الملف القبطي.

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تهجير جماعي لأقباط يثير غضب أوساط مصرية
صبري حسنين من القاهرة: بدأت الأحداث في قرية شربات في مدنية العامرية في محافظة الإسكندرية، تزامناً مع إحياء المصريين الذكرى الأولى لثورة 25 يناير، عندما تداول بعض أهالي القرية مقاطع فيديو على الهواتف النقالة، يظهر فيها شاب مسيحي مع فتاة مسلمة في أوضاع غير لائقة.
سرعان ما تطورت الأحداث، فهاجم الآلاف من الأهالي منزل أسرة الشاب، وأحرقوه، كما أحرقوا محالاً تجارية عدة مملوكة لثلاث أسر مسيحية أخرى، بعد تدخل كبيرهم بإطلاق النيران من سلاح ناري آلي، ما أدى إلى إصابة أربعة مسلمين بجروح خطرة، حيث تلقى أحدهم رصاصة استقرت في العنق، وآخر أربع رصاصات استقرت في الكبد والطحال والفخذ، ومازالوا يتلقون العلاج في المستشفيات.

تهجير 8 أسر مسيحية
تدخل محافظ الإسكندرية والقيادات الأمنية وعدد من القيادات القبطية والإسلامية، لاسيما القيادات السلفية في الأزمة، وعقدت جلسة صلح عرفية، إنتهت إلى تهجير أسرة الشاب والفتاة إلى خارج القرية، وإجبارهم على بيع منازلهم وممتلكاتهم، وعدم العودة إليها مرة أخرى.

شملت قرارات التهجير ست أسر قبطية، هم أعمام وأخوال الشاب القبطي، إضافة إلى أسرة التاجر المسيحي، الذي أطلق النيران أثناء الأحداث، فأدت إلى إصابة المسلمين الأربعة.

أحكام سلفية
ووفقاً لحنا فوزي عضو إتحاد شباب ماسبيرو في الإسكندرية، فإن الجلسة العرفية تمت برعاية قيادات السلفيين، مشيراً إلى أنهم هم من أصدروا الأحكام بتهجير الأسر المسيحية، بحجة الخوف على حياتهم وممتلكاتهم.

وأضاف فوزي لـ”إيلاف” أن الأقباط يرفضون مغادرة قريتهم، التي عاشوا فيها لسنوات طويلة، فضلاً عن أنهم يشعرون بالظلم الشديد، لأنهم يُعاقبون بطريقة جماعية على جرم هم منه أبرياء، إضافة إلى أن المتهم في القضية سلّم نفسه إلى الشرطة، ويحاكم حالياً أمام القضاء.

وأوضح فوزي أن الأزمة الأخطر هي أن منازل ومتاجر الأقباط تعرّضت للحرق والنهب، وقدرت الخسائر بنحو ثلاثة ملايين جنيه، ولكن لم يصدر حكم من الجلسة العرفية بتعويضهم، ولم يتم القبض على من أحرقوا تلك الممتلكات، ولم يقدموا إلى المحاكمة.

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إغلاق النافذة

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February 13th, 2012, 10:25 pm

 

157. mjabali said:

Mr Norman:

The logical turn of events in Syria means that all minorities should think how to live together separate from the….(you know who)..

A state for the minorities is a must when Syria breaks up in the future. There is no looking back. Minorities should think together because they should live together in a secular democratic modern state. You and I know that all minorities in Syria have the same mind set, so here you go.

Salam

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February 13th, 2012, 10:58 pm

 

158. Norman said:

Mjabali,

It is sad but that is what will happen in Syria if the government does not put down this anarchy,they have two flags, they have different vision for Syria as you said, Syria is in the beginning of a long dark tunnel.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:17 pm

 

159. mjabali said:

I was trying to post my comment regarding IDAF article to no avail all day yesterday. It Never showed up:

This is what I was trying to post, what is wrong with that to be banned?

‏-As long as there are no known political parties with agendas and leaders for the opposition Idaf is talking about: this “opposition” will remain invisible.

I know from my personal experience and from what I have seen so far from the opposition against al-Assad is that most Syrians think they should hold positions and that is why you have many heads. There is not one single hierarchy and there are no decision makers that are voted to do that. All we have is leaders among the opposition. You need the people whom these “leaders” supposedly represent.

‏I have asked on constant basis many people inside Syria from different positions about why they do not organize politically?

They all (anti assad and pro assad) showed inability to organize. There is the regular fear from this topic that Syrians know.

‏The article may be right about the fast maturation of Syrians politically, but, again, I really doubt that things are at an advanced organizational stage especially with the constant crackdown by al-Assad, who would not show that much patience for unwanted political dissent. That irks him and now there is no margin for error from his side. He is helped by the absence of the known agenda and leaders.

‏Take Facebook activism for example: I am for one lost with the huge number of pages. You do not know who has the real news and who is fabricating. The one thing they all agree on is that Syria is burning and there are lots of death.

Many of these pages are chaotic run by rambling idiots. The years of the one party rule had produced political midgets out of the Syrian people.

‏Political parties with known agendas and known leaders is the only way.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:22 pm

 

160. mjabali said:

Mr. Norman:

The sad thing I read from your link is that minorities of the whole Middle East have the same problems.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:26 pm

 

161. Darryl said:

157. MJABALI said:

“A state for the minorities is a must when Syria breaks up in the future. There is no looking back. Minorities should think together because they should live together in a secular democratic modern state.”

MJABALI, I respect your writing and your thinking, but a state for minorities in Syria is not practical due to the following reasons:
1. There are Christians everywhere except Deir Alzour (small numbers).
2. The Alawites are now almost everywhere.
3. The Druze are concentrated in one specific area.
4. Secular Sunni Muslims who feel more at home with the above groups are everywhere.

Hence, it is not practical to think in these terms. Those groups (1-4) must continue to work hard as they have been for the last 50 years to make sure they stick together until Arabian gas and oil is exhausted or at least until Iran becomes secular (this could happen sooner than we think). Come to think of it, it might be cheaper for them to donate toward research into fusion technology so that oil and gas prices plummet and the Arabs can’t afford to fund those satellite channels anymore.

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February 13th, 2012, 11:42 pm

 

162. jad said:

Dear Mjabali
I’m having the same problem, I think that there are certain words (‘id***’ is one of them) that if we write our comment go immediately into spam or moderation until the moderator check them and let them be visible.
‘Idiot’ is one of those words :)

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February 13th, 2012, 11:44 pm

 

163. jad said:

Dear Mjabali
I think that the site activate its filter of certain words, so if we write any word of those forbidden ones the comment will immediately go to the moderation ‘jail’.
(id***) is one of them, i just write this word in a previous comment to explain to you the issue and it wont show, so we need to choose our words very carefully :)

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February 13th, 2012, 11:47 pm

 

164. jad said:

مؤتمر تونس يُخرج القضية السورية من العباءة العربية إلى التدويل
مارلين خليفة

مهّد الاجتماع الوزاري العربي الذي انعقد في القاهرة يوم الأحد الفائت لقرار الاعتراف بالمجلس الوطني السوري في “مؤتمر أصدقاء سوريا” الذي سينعقد في تونس في 24 الجاري، وشهد الاجتماع محاولة عربية وتحديداً قطرية لم يكتب لها النجاح لتهريب قرار بهذا المعنى من القاهرة، بعدما قوبل برفض مطلق من لبنان والعراق الذي وصف وزيره القرار بأنه “سابق لأوانه”، ومن الجزائر التي قال ممثلها بأنه إذا اتخذ قرار مماثل “فلتأخذه كل دولة على عاتقها”، ولم يكن ممثل مصر بعيداً عن هذا الجوّ.
فبعد انتهاء الاجتماع المعني بسوريا وبدء الجلسة المخصصة للموضوع الفلسطيني وزّعت على الوزراء ورقة يتيمة تتضمن بنداً وحيداً هو “الاعتراف بالمجلس الوطني السوري كممثل وحيد للشعب السوري”، وصودف أن أمين عام جامعة الدول العربية نبيل العربي كان خارج قاعة الاجتماعات منذ أكثر من نصف ساعة، في ما كان وزير الخارجية السعودي الأمير سعود الفيصل قد غادر نهائياً.
صُدم الوزراء العرب وسئل رئيس الجلسة وزير خارجية قطر حمد بن جاسم عن سبب توزيع هذه الورقة فأخذ الأمر بشكل طبيعي قائلاً بأن رئيس وزراء تونس طلب منه دعوة المجلس الوطني السوري الى مؤتمر أصدقاء سوريا وليس طلب الاعتراف إلا بمثابة تمهيد للاعتراف بهذا المجلس في تونس، وأما توزيعه “فلم يكن يهدف الى اتخاذ القرار في القاهرة بل للعلم، فحسب على أن يبقى سرّياً وغير متداول”.
عندها اعترض الوزير التونسي الذي تحمل بلاده “مشعل” الديموقراطية وتدعو الى تطبيق “النموذج التونسي” في سوريا، فقال لحمد بأنه طلب منه دعوة ممثلين عن المجلس الوطني السوري وليس اتخاذ قرار الاعتراف به!

أما أمين عام جامعة العربية نبيل العربي الذي عاد الى القاعة، فبدا “متفاجئاً” من الورقة الموزعة وادعى لما سئل بأنه لم يعرف بها مسبقاّ في حين أن “سكرتاريا” جامعة الدول العربية هي التي وزعتها على الوزراء الحاضرين.

وسأل رئيس الجلسة وزير الخارجية القطري حمد بن جاسم الوزراء “المذهولين” إن كان أحد منهم يريد الكلام، فقال وزير الخارجية اللبناني عدنان منصور أن كلمة لبنان ستسجل له في التاريخ: إذا مرّ قرار مماثل في جامعة الدول العربية تكون الجامعة قد تسببت بدمار سوريا وإشعال الفتن فيها وبدمار الشعب السوري، وما يحدث لا يسهم في الحوار وفي الحلّ السياسي.

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Check out the picture of the UAE foreign minister…funny!
http://assafir.com/Photos/Photos14-02-2012/1339images_pic_D006423_20120213104638.JPG

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February 13th, 2012, 11:54 pm

 

165. jad said:

Mjabali, Norman
With all due respect for both of you, I strongly disagree with your pessimist and the little faith you have in Syrians, they will prove you wrong.
Just have faith in the creativity of the Syrian society, don’t give up of any Syrian regardless how different their views may be from yours, we can make it and go out of this ugly tragedy but we have to work together as a society.

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February 14th, 2012, 12:01 am

 

166. majedkhaldoun said:

Tomorrow is 14 of February, the syrian opposition will be united with the lebanese opposition, against the Asad murderous regime

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February 14th, 2012, 12:12 am

 

167. mjabali said:

Mr. Darryl:

You are right no doubt: the state may not be practical because it would not be able to include them all. There are Christians everywhere in Syria, but there are no Alawis, Druz or Ismailis in many parts. There may be some Alawi kurds left in the north-east, but I have no idea where they are and what happened to them after the massacres of the 1930′s.

The coastal parts and around it contain a huge concentration of Alawis and Christians plus the Ismailis. That is the most possible site for that state.

The Druz are far from this but they live together in the south. These are factors that will play a part in case Syria breaks up.

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February 14th, 2012, 12:12 am

 

168. Equus said:

The Saudi king’s hypocrisy
On Friday, the king delivered an angry speech denouncing the United Nations Security Council’s failure to act on Syria, where Saudi Arabia is supporting an Arab League plan for a “democratic transition” that would end the Assad regime. “The world is ruled by brains, by justice, by morals and by fairness,” he piously declared.

That same day, the Saudi ruler’s security forces were firing on protesters near the eastern town of Qatif, inflicting a fatality for the second consecutive day. Meanwhile, the regime’s diplomats were arranging for the swift deportation from Malaysia of a fugitive Saudi journalist, who fled the country after tweets he authored about the prophet Muhammad led to demands for his arrest and execution.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-kings-hypocrisy/2012/02/13/gIQA71wxBR_story.html?hpid=z2

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February 14th, 2012, 12:13 am

 

169. mjabali said:

Mr. Jad:

I will always work with people like you to save our country Syria.

I have faith to save Syria because I see the love for that country from many people, but, from what I see from many Syrians these days, the future looks dark and we should think and act well for this future before it is too late.

Some days I like to dream of the Syrian Phoenix coming from the ashes and amber to rise again.

Syria is burning in front of our eyes and to save it from breaking up is going to be hard, really hard.

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February 14th, 2012, 12:20 am

 

170. LEO SYRIACUS said:

Good article that poses important questions and sheds light on an unknown element of the opposition I do have a different view of what is likely to happen in the next little while:
* The regime will collapse in the next few months due to a combination of internal and external factors ( May 2012 according to one American Congressman I spoke to in January )
* Democratic elections for the first time in Syria since 1958 will be held, unfortunately due to half a century of oppression almost no organized political parties with defined platforms and agendas exist
* The SNC has largely disappointed many peolpe in the opposition in Syria and is not likely to be elected to power
* This leaves the Islamists, after all no tyrant (even Stalin) managed to erase God from public life ( though The Mighty Dollar has achieved that), and they remained organized and connected at grassroot levels, they will win a landslide victory in any democratic elections in Syria or any other Arab country in 2012, much to the chagrin of liberal,secular, democrats like myself
* Liberal,secular, democrats will return to Syria, team up with fellow-minded liberal,secular Syrians and form their own parties and start advocating their platform and policy
* In the next elections the liberals will elect these parties and the conservatives may elect “Islamist Light” parties that make compromises with the West, the Liberals, and the minorities…one of the two currents or a coalition of the two will be elected democratically and work for Syria and all Syrians

I am optimistic that the the intelligence, awareness, and sophistication of my compatriots will defeat tyranny (the Baath), prevent chaos and civil war from happening, and transform the country democratically…this may take a decade perhaps but Syria’s future is good…and none of that Assad Forever crap

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February 14th, 2012, 1:05 am

 

171. Juergen said:

All Assadsupporters should rehoice when Lyndon Laroche and his german wife Helga Zepp-LaRouche ( i refer to post 104) joined the cause to save this tyrann. But be careful, this is a political sect, here in Germany at least the secret service is watching their activities, antisemitism at least seem to be an entry fee to this elite club. I hate that they use the name of Germanys second most important writer: Friedrich Schiller who always wrote about liberty and freedom, and such an sect opens Schiller institutes ( i guess they want to fool people who know the famouy Goethe institutes which are government run ) in many countries. So all should be aware of the fact that this organization is not just a nutty assembly but also an dangerous political sect.

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February 14th, 2012, 1:23 am

 

172. annie said:

Like lions without teeth

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February 14th, 2012, 1:38 am

 

173. ann said:

UN General Assembly debates Human Rights Council report on Syria – 2012-02-14

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-02/14/c_131409288.htm

UNITED NATIONS, Feb.13 (Xinhua) — The UN General Assembly reviewed on Monday the human rights council report on the violence in Syria.

While all of the representatives of the 33 member nations speaking at the meeting called for an end to the violence in Syria through peaceful means, not all of them endorsed the Arab and European-sponsored peace plan.

That proposal was defeated on Feb. 4 in the UN Security Council by the vetoes from China and Russia, two of the five permanent members of the council.

At Monday’s General Assembly session, Belarus, Cuba, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) and Nicaragua joined China and Russia in voicing opposition to that plan.

For his part, Vitaly Churkin, the permanent representative of Russia to the UN, said, ” After his trip to Damascus on Feb. 7, the minister for foreign affairs of Russia, Mr. (Sergey) Lavrov, described a perfectly realistic strategy for resolving the situation.”

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February 14th, 2012, 2:13 am

 

174. ann said:

Political process for resolution of Syrian crisis should be led by Syrian people: India – 2012-02-14

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-02/14/c_131407965.htm

UNITED NATIONS, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) — India on Monday called for a peaceful and political solution to the Syrian crisis, saying that a political process for the resolution of the crisis should be led by the Syrians people.

Manjeev Singh Puri, the deputy Indian permanent representative to the UN, made the statement as he was taking the floor at a plenary session of the UN General Assembly on the human rights situation in Syria.

“The problem in Syria being primarily political in nature, India has, from the beginning of the protests, called for a peaceful and inclusive political process to address the grievances of all sections of Syrian society,” he said.

“India is deeply concerned with the present situation in Syria that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians and security forces personnel over the last 11 months,” he said. “We strongly condemn all violence, irrespective of whoever the perpetrators are. We also condemn all violations of human rights.”

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February 14th, 2012, 2:21 am

 

175. ann said:

Military intervention will fuel violence in Syria: French FM – 2012-02-14

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-02/14/c_122696507.htm

PARIS, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) — French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe opposed on Monday the military option in Syria, which he said would escalate violence in the unrest-torn country.

“We think that today any foreign military intervention would only aggravate the situation, particularly as there will be no decision of the Security Council which is the only body able to authorize a military intervention,” Juppe was quoted as saying by the local TV channel BFMTV.

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February 14th, 2012, 2:28 am

 

176. Syria no Kandahar said:

Syria will be divided,it is unavoidable.in fact it already is.
Division is not a line you drew on a map,it is feeling not unified and feeling hatred
And full of revenge….That is the status now.THAT IS WHY THIS WAS STARTED
ANY WAY.
I disagree with any one who is optimistic and full of national feelings making him
Make an emotional judgement more than rational one.what is the percentage of
Jads,Killos,Normans,Mjbals,Gufrans…in Syria compared to Khaleds,Majeds,Aroors,Harmooshs,Revlons…I think that secula and noneriligous
Ratio is very low.Good hearted opposition people like Killo or Manaa are not represented on the street at all.If people like Alaaroor will run for any post in Syria
Today they will get most of the votes.
History will report that many people have made a lot of mistakes and caused Syria
To disappear after 5000 years on the map,Mistakes done by short term opportunists including the regime mistakes,Qater,SA,Turkey,US and the West.
Who wants to live In current Style Egypt Syria?Who wants to live in a country where MB is the engine and the power?Who wants to be represented by a parliament full of beards and shaved mustach wher Alaaroor sits on the front seat?…..
News coming from the northeast in the last few days that the Kurdish Jenni is sticking his nose and ears out and trying to bite the Syrian flesh.Kurdish gangs
Have been going to schools in Almalikeh on the Syrian-Turkish-Iraq angel,Attacking schools removing the Syrian flags and replacing them with KURDISH FLAGS.They also have changed the city name on the entrance to the city to a Kurdish name.
At the end of the day WHATEVER IS ISREAL’s BEST INTERESTS WILL BE DONE.It is in ISREAL’s best interests that Syria has to be divided and it will,into many states,or have parts of it be substates.Syrians are blindly doing bernard levy
Mission.
The Syrian Vas have fallen,It has been shattered ,the flowers died.

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February 14th, 2012, 2:44 am

 

177. Uziar8 said:

A message to all revolutionaries and their supporters.

Don’t be disheartened. What has been achieved so far has been remarkable. At the beginning in Daraa, if anyone had said that in a years time we would be in this situation it would have been unthinkable. The most that was expected was some localised short-lived demands for justice for the tortured children and perhaps some calls for reform. The persistence of the protestors against all odds has not ceased to amaze or surprise. Prepare to be surprised.

A couple of days ago I re-read the martyr Ghiath Matar’s last will and I think it is a timely reminder to all of us not to waver. Please read it again. Our martyrs will haunt the regime forever.

I’m spoilt for choice deciding on a quote but here is one:

“And my will to you to remain true to the principle we went out for, and to work toward achieving all the slogans we raised until they become a living reality, to persevere in your courage no matter how they tried to get you of to throw your ranks into disarray, don’t allow them to change you, don’t cheapen my blood, and the blood of the martyrs who gave their souls for a free Syria, don’t sell our sacrifices for any price. Don’t dialog with your executioners but wrest your rights from them with your determination to achieve victory.”

http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/topic/422739-standout-images-thread/page__view__findpost__p__431139

[Originally from 'The Walls' blog.]

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February 14th, 2012, 2:50 am

 

178. Syria no Kandahar said:

Arab Winter,Erdogan an Hamad Achievements In Syria:
1-A country on the Edge of civil war
2-Economical destruction which will take decades to fix,if ever
3-A country full of weapons imported and ready to use every day
4-kidnapping,Sectarian killing and lawless state
5-Establishing FSA totally under the control of Turkish mukabarat
6-SNC jihad in 5 stars hotels and restaurants in Istanbul and Aldoha
7-6000 civilian deaths,2000 soldiers deaths,many widows and many many wounded.
8-Alqaida in a full time business in Syria with tow magnificent jihadists gifts in Damascus and Aleppo causing 60 deaths and almost 1000 Wounded.
9-
10-
11-
I can go on an on and on ,but (revolutionists)Are blind and deaf so it is probably
Useless .

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February 14th, 2012, 3:09 am

 

179. ann said:

Updated Syria UN GA Resolution Emerges, With Observer Mission Dropped

http://www.innercitypress.com/las2syria021312.html

UNITED NATIONS, February 13 — Aside the daylong theater of Monday’s General Assembly session on Syria, a new draft GA resolution emerged.

On February 10, Inner City Press obtained and published that day’s draft. Now it publishes the version circulated after revisions based on the Arab League’s February 12 meeting, with most changes in Paragraphs 6f, 7, 8 and 11, dropping references to the Observer Mission that has been canceled. The Operative Paragarphs:

The General Assembly…

Welcoming the engagement of the Secretary-General and all diplomatic efforts aimed at ending the crisis,

1. Reaffirms its strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Syria and stresses the need to resolve the current political crisis in Syria peacefully;

2. Strongly condemns the continued widespread and systematic violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms by the Syrian authorities, such as the use of force against civilians, arbitrary executions, killing and persecution of protestors, human rights defenders, and journalists, arbitrary detention, enforced disappearances, interference with access to medical treatment, torture, sexual violence, and ill-treatment, including against children;

3. Calls upon the Syrian government to immediately put an end to all human rights violations and attacks against civilians, protect its population, fully comply with its obligations under applicable international law and fully implement Human Rights Council resolutions S-16/1, S-17/1, S-18/1 and its resolution 66/176, including by cooperating fully with the independent international commission of inquiry;

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February 14th, 2012, 3:15 am

 

180. Uzair8 said:

I know some have been upset at Turkey going quiet on the Syrian situation after initially taking a strong position. Perhaps the following is an explanation:

Trojan horse for the Syrian regime!
By Abdul Rahman al-Rashed

Monday, 13 February 2012

[Selected quote]:

The Arab League was used to prevent the European movement. It was used to conspire against Turkey during the Rabat meeting under the title of the “Arab solution” that aimed at keeping the Turks away. The Turks got angry and said frankly “we will leave you to resolve it”, although they were aware that no country is capable of confronting the Syrian regime except Turkey.

http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/02/13/194420.html

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February 14th, 2012, 3:24 am

 

181. Juergen said:

the whole interview with Guido Westerwelle which i posted yesterday- funny i think DER SPIEGEL uses Google Translator for their english version…i almost came up with the same translation…

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,814977,00.html

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February 14th, 2012, 3:38 am

 

182. Uzair8 said:

Regime supporters on here and elsewhere mention the undemocratic nature of Qatar, Saudi etc and question their nerve to make demands of Syria.

That’s not the point. Such nations are coming under pressure from their populations who are demanding something is done so they have to be seen to be doing something. So lets not hide behind the nature of governments like Qatar and Saudi. What does the fact that their populations are with the syrian revolution say to you?

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February 14th, 2012, 4:27 am

 

183. Syria no Kandahar said:

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February 14th, 2012, 4:48 am

 

184. SyrianPatriot said:

The failure of the syrian state for security
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The main reason for many Syrians to support the regime are security concerns. Many believe that only the regime and its Mukhabarat are capable of maintaining security for the civil society. But is this really the case?

The Syrian state failed to secure civil peace since the beginning of the uprising. Today, Syrian cities are ruled by members of the regime or the opposition. Most major cities are divided by sectarian lines. One can now argue wether or not the opposition is Salafi or Terrorist or something else.

However, even if the armed uprising consists of terrorists as the regime media states, then it is also obvious that it failed to secure the civil population. Instead it is bombarding suburbs without distinguishing between unarmed innocent civilians and “terrorists”. This strategy has been used for years in Palestine and particularly in Gaza. This collective punishment will fuel even more violence, since many families will lose loved ones.

The situation is deteriorating into civil war and is slowly sucking Syria’s neighboring country Lebanon into the crises. Salafis and fundamentalist terrorists, the main export good of Syria during the Iraqi war, are returning to Syria and continuing their own struggle for Sunni power in Syria.

Thus, the main reason stated in the beginning to support the Syrian regime is invalid. Now, it is time to support the best future for Syria, which is a comprehensive dialog with all sides.

http://wp.me/p1tlxA-U

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February 14th, 2012, 5:07 am

 

185. Juergen said:

Syrian regime used poisonous gas under Iranian, Russian supervision: dissident officer

A Syrian dissident military officer, Capt. Abdul Salam Ahmed Abdul Razek, said the Syrian regime is using internationally prohibited poisonous gas against protestors under the supervision of both Iran and Russia.

“The Syrian army used nerve gas to facilitate the invasion of Homs and was planning to do the same in Jebel al-Zawia and al-Zabadani,” Abdul Razek told Al Arabiya.

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/14/194585.html?PHPSESSID=lgsb5jon0gi32ejhhpbpjbp7s2

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February 14th, 2012, 6:26 am

 

186. syria no kandahar said:

juejo
what did the Aroor Angels use in Aleppo suicide bombing?
what did they use in Damascus suicibe bombing?
what they use in Almidan suicide bombing?
how did they kill Sadi Saoud while he was buying a cooki?
how did they kill Sari Hassoun?
how did they manage to kill 2000 syrian soldies?using what?
where is the evidence any way?if you are quoting liars what does that make you?

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February 14th, 2012, 6:38 am

 

187. anton said:

dear Syrian patriots

I do not thing its somber as I can feel it in some of your comments , its only another dark moment in our history…

be patient, we have a good president doing the right things, Russia and a lot of friendly countries are behind him and supporting Syria now.

I believe a new Syria will borne shortly

every one should have two faiths one is his own with the god, and the other is his love for Syria.
thank you for permitting me to comment.

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February 14th, 2012, 6:50 am

 

188. Juergen said:

Anton

“I believe a new Syria will borne shortly”

How true!

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February 14th, 2012, 7:33 am

 

189. Juergen said:

“Joshua Landis, the director of the center of Middle East Studies at Oklahoma University, said: “If Israel thinks he [Assad] is going down, why take risks by getting involved? … For Israel to get involved, it would be counterproductive.”

Landis, who blogs at Syria Comment, further explained: “You have an extremely weakened Gaza, Syria is still holding together as a country, and there aren’t militia that can run around and make trouble for Israel. They are making trouble for Assad, and that way Assad cannot act as an enabler of Hezbollah. Hezbollah is sitting there very anxious, Iran is anxious, and this is good for Israel.”

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/02/2012298108853411.html

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February 14th, 2012, 7:41 am

 

190. bronco said:

The Iraq and Libya resolutions coming to haunt the UNSC.

“But her ( Navy Pillay) frustration also seemed directed at the inability of the United Nations, the Arab League or any other group to devise a workable proposal to help resolve the crisis in Syria, now nearly a year old.”

“The longer the international community fails to take action, the more the civilian population will suffer from countless atrocities committed against them,” Ms. Pillay said. ”

After abusing the UN for their own interests, the US and the western countries are surprised and ‘disgusted’ that it is now paralyzed.
Russia and China have decided that it is enough to have the Western countries using the UN for their own interests and they are now exercising their right to veto to the dismay of the US and their allies.
The grand ‘travesty’ that no one should ever forget is the UN session when the most advanced country in the world presented fake and falsified documents in the UN assembly to call for the the war against Iraq that turned out to be a human disaster.
When it became clear to the international community that all the arguments presented at the UN were fake, it was the first shock for many countries to realize that the UN could be very easily mislead by rumors and manipulated by false information. From there on, any USA UN’s interventions would become shrouded with suspicion. As France opposed the war in Iraq the blame fell mostly on the UK and the US.
The Libyan “humanitarian” resolution that turned out to be a “regime change” resolution was the second blow to the credibility of the UN, but this time the culprit was another member of the UNSC, France.
The UN is now a suspicious place. No ‘vague’ resolution will ever pass anymore, the Russian and China will put an immediate veto.
No way anymore to hide a regime change intention in a humanitarian appearance.
The sad result is that real humanitarian catastrophies can’t be handled forcefully by the UN other than by condamnation and sanctions that hurt even more the humanitarian situation of the civilians.

Maybe this will force the UN to consider political solutions to a country internal problem rather than counter productive threats and force.
Syria may be the trigger to a new way at the UN.

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February 14th, 2012, 7:48 am

 

191. Majed97 said:

A draft of the new constitution it out this morning. It looks great and very progressive and secular with no religious biases. The president’s term is only five years and he can run again only once.

هـــــــــــام جداً لكل سوري : مسودة الدستور السوري الجديد
.by Bashar Al-Asad on Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 6:57am ·.الفصل الأول

مبادئ عامة

الباب الأول

1. الجمهورية السورية جمهورية ديمقراطية نيابية ذات سيادة كاملة.

2. الجمهورية السورية دولة متنوعة قوميا و دينيا و طائفيا للجميع نفس الحقوق و الواجبات دون أي تمييز.

3. و هي وحدة سياسية جغرافية لا تتجزأ ولا يجوز التخلي عن أي جزء من أراضيها.

4. وهي جزء من منظومة عربية وإقليمية ودولية .

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February 14th, 2012, 7:50 am

 

192. irritated said:

#187 Juergen

“Syrian regime used poisonous gas under Iranian, Russian supervision: dissident officer”

After suffering from the poisonous gaz themselves, supplied to Saddam Hossein by German companies, no one can believe that Iranians would use gaz against anyone.
These are the usual rumors and lies Al Arabiya reports to desperately try to demonize the victorious Syrian Army.

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February 14th, 2012, 7:54 am

 

193. Majed97 said:

It’s the Syrian Republic; not Arab Republic. I love it!

الجمهورية السورية جمهورية ديمقراطية نيابية ذات سيادة كاملة

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February 14th, 2012, 8:00 am

 

194. Juergen said:

Majed97

Thank you for an interessting read.

If that is the genuine draft i would like to raise the following questions:

Why are the most important human rights as stated in chapter 2 subject to change? I dont know of any civilized constitution which would allow that such basic rights are subject for a novellation, to me that leaves the shadow of oppression on Syria.

Who can accept an constituition which was drafted by this regime who if you read carefully the constitution violated not only the current constitution but also noteworthy all international agreed human rights. To my understanding of democracy an new constitution will be drafted ( as we see in Tunesia) by the constitution parlament which will be selected after fair and democratic elections took place. But i assume in Syria the eyedoctor did not want to take an risk and thought its better to dictate the constitution and apply his idea of democracy on the Syrians, par ordre de Mufti. Lets see how long this constitution will last at the end.

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February 14th, 2012, 8:02 am

 

195. zoo said:

Tara #153

“My turn now, this is the best quote I read about love in a while.”

That’s a destructive infatuation, not what St Valentine meant.
To run away from at all costs.

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February 14th, 2012, 8:08 am

 

196. irritated said:

195. Majed97 said:

“It’s the Syrian Republic; not Arab Republic. I love it!”

After the way the Arabs treated Syria, who want to be associated with them by name.
Anyway most Arab countries are dumping the ‘arab’ to “islamic”

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February 14th, 2012, 8:12 am

 

197. zoo said:

Save Us from the Liberal Hawks
Syria’s a tragedy. But it’s not our problem.
BY DAVID RIEFF | FEBRUARY 13, 2012
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/02/13/syria_is_not_our_problem

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of (humanitarian) war. That, at least, is what much of the U.S. policy elite seems to be pushing for these days in Syria. That many of the “permahawks,” like Fouad Ajami, Max Boot, and Elliott Abrams, who championed the George W. Bush administration’s decision to overthrow Saddam Hussein, are now calling for supporting the uprising against Bashar al-Assad’s dictatorship should come as no surprise to anyone. Nor should similar calls from most of the liberal writers and editors associated with the New Republic magazine come as a shock. They, too, have been remarkably consistent, and the magazine’s current symposium on what needs to be done next in Syria is eerily reminiscent of the one it ran the year after the invasion of Iraq, which tilted so lopsidedly toward justifying the war, though not the way the Bush administration was prosecuting it.

What is surprising, though, is that despite the disaster of Iraq, looming withdrawal in what will amount to defeat in Afghanistan, and, to put it charitably, the ambiguous result of the U.N.-sanctioned, NATO-led, and Qatari-financed intervention that brought down Muammar al-Qaddafi’s regime, is how nearly complete the consensus for strong action has been even among less hawkish liberals, whether what is done takes the form of the United States and its NATO allies arming the Free Syrian Army, opening so-called humanitarian corridors, or encouraging Turkey and a coalition of the willing within the Arab League to do so. British columnist Jonathan Freedland summed up this view when he wrote recently in the Guardian that the West must not “make the people of Homs pay the price for the mistake we made in Baghdad.”

Meanwhile, despite the astonishing propaganda barrage in the media (for once, CNN, the BBC, and Al Jazeera were all on the same page!) that for all intents and purposes endorsed the claims about dead and wounded made by the anti-Assad insurgents (the disclaimers tended to come at paragraph three or four of a print piece, or the tail end of a video segment), the reality on the ground in Syria was far more complicated. A McClatchy news story quoted U.S. government sources as confirming that the recent attack against a Syrian government building in Aleppo had probably been the work of al Qaeda, thus confirming at least to some extent the claims the Assad regime has made about the role of jihadists in the rebellion
..
If the looming victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the failure of the democratic project in Iraq, and the fact that the most significant political outcomes of the Arab Spring in Egypt, Yemen, and Libya have been instability and the victory of political Islam have not chastened them — and clearly they haven’t — nothing will. Welcome to the second decade in a row of humanitarian war.
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February 14th, 2012, 8:17 am

 

198. zoo said:

Jihadist Opportunities in Syria
By Kamran Bokhari
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2012/02/14/jihadist_opportunities_in_syria_99897.html
In an eight-minute video clip titled “Onward, Lions of Syria” disseminated on the Internet Feb. 12, al Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahiri expressed al Qaeda’s support for the popular unrest in Syria. In it, al-Zawahiri urged Muslims in Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan to aid the Syrian rebels battling Damascus. The statement comes just days after a McClatchy report quoted unnamed American intelligence officials as saying that the Iraqi node of the global jihadist network carried out two attacks against Syrian intelligence facilities in Damascus, while Iraqi Deputy Interior Minister Adnan al-Assadi said in a recent interview with AFP that Iraqi jihadists were moving fighters and weapons into neighboring Syria.
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February 14th, 2012, 8:19 am

 

199. zoo said:

Kurds have to take a position.

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[ http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/11457/syrias-kurds-could-lose-out-in-post-assad-scenario ]

Syria’s Kurds Could Lose Out in Post-Assad Scenario
By Idris Ahmedi | 13 Feb 2012

Although Syria’s Kurds have a long history of opposing the central government in Damascus, they have so far refrained from widespread, proactive participation in the ongoing rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad’s Baathist regime. However, if they continue to limit themselves to being mere spectators to the unfolding drama, they may well find themselves deprived of any long-term political gains in a post-Assad Syria.
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Adding to this fear is the Kurds’ unease with Turkey’s influence over the Syrian National Council, the rebels’ Istanbul-based government-in-exile. As long as the Kurdish issue in Turkey is not resolved and decades-old fears on the part of the Turkish political establishment of a pan-Kurdish drive for independence are not ameliorated, Syria’s Kurds cannot look upon Ankara’s role favorably. Absent unequivocal guarantees from Syria’s Sunni elites, the Kurds in Syria appear to have concluded that it would be irrational to back the council wholeheartedly.

It is possible, however, that the Syrian Kurds are making a strategic miscalculation. Should Syria’s Sunnis succeed in toppling Assad, the Sunni political elite may choose to invoke the Kurds’ lack of participation in the rebellion as a justification for ignoring Kurdish demands. Even in a less extreme scenario, their lack of widespread participation will very likely diminish the Kurds’ bargaining position in a post-Assad Syria.

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February 14th, 2012, 8:21 am

 

200. majedkhaldoun said:

What good if we have new constitution but brutal oppresion continues,freedom and dignity,and democracy what we want.
Allah,souryia FSA wa bass

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February 14th, 2012, 8:41 am

 

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