The Syrian Southern Front: Why it Offers Better Justice and Hope than Northern Front” by Marika Sosnowski

MSosnowski-1The Syrian Southern Front: Why it Offers Better Justice and Hope than the Northern”
For Syria Comment – 9 July 2015
by Marika Sosnowski – @mikisosnowski

The coalition of several dozen local insurgent groups, known as ‘the Southern Front’, is consolidating its control in and around Daraa and the Houran Plain in Syria. While the Southern Front is not a cohesive organization but instead an alliance of units that are each individually linked to and funded by the Western- and Arab-backed Military Operations Center (MOC) in Amman, the coalition has in recent months shown itself to be adept in understanding the importance of establishing and maintaining a legitimate and authoritative justice provider. This is because a strong judiciary shows Syrians, and the world, that the Syrian opposition can effectively govern areas under its control. A strong judiciary also makes the Southern Front one of the few viable alternatives to the Assad regime that has emerged from this crisis.

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Syrian policemen stand in front the burned court building that was set on fire by Syrian anti-government protesters, in the southern city of Daraa, Syria, Monday March 21, 2011. Mourners chanting “No more fear!” have marched through a Syrian city where anti-government protesters had deadly confrontations with security forces in recent days. The violence in Daraa, a city of about 300,000 near the border with Jordan, was fast becoming a major challenge for President Bashar Assad, who tried to contain the situation by freeing detainees and promising to fire officials responsible for the violence. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

Around November 2014, financial and military setbacks forced Jabhat al-Nusra, which also has a strong presence in the south, into an alliance with the Southern Front and other Islamists. The alliance consolidated the various Hay’at Al Sharia, or Islamic Justice Committees, that had been operating in the Southern Front’s area of control, into one Dar al-‘Adl known as the Dar al-‘Adl fi al-Hawran, or the Houran Courthouse, which is located in Gharz, southern Syria. Before that, the Islamic Justice Committees of the Southern Front had used a mix of tribal, Islamic, and customary law to maintain order, with some success.

While in many ways the union is borne out of strategic necessity the real difference with the formation of the Dar al-‘Adl is that nearly all the factions seem to back it, whereas the courts in the north are more fragmented and affiliated with smaller sets of armed groups. As such, the northern courts do not command the same authority or legitimacy with Syrians that the southern court seems to be garnering. Additionally, the relative strength of the Southern Front, gained in part through the consistent coordination and backing of the MOC, have enabled the creation of a unified court that includes groups such as al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham. The formation of the court draws on lessons learned from the north in seeking to prevent the Islamists from creating their own systems of governance.

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In a display of both military power and good faith, the groups negotiated to appoint sixteen judges to the court. Half were chosen by the Southern Front with al-Nusra appointing four and the remainder selected by other Islamist groups that are part of the alliance, Harakat al-Muthana and Ahrar al-Sham. It is not clear whether the judges are independent or simply members of their respective factions. However, the Courthouse is not wholly religious or civil, following the original Justice Committees by using tribal, Islamic, and customary law to deal with cases common in rebel-held Syria. These include military, criminal, and administrative matters, as well as reconciling disputes involving civilians and armed factions. For example, once the court was established detainees being held by the various factions were handed over to the court for sentencing and detention. The Court also seems to be playing an active mediation role between armed factions, such as the Shohadaa al-Yarmouk Brigade and Jabhat al-Nusra. In the aftermath of a military operation in April to secure the Nasib border crossing with Jordan, the Court was also charged with establishing a judicial committee to record the claims of people affected during the operation.

While each faction would certainly prefer sole-control, the establishment of the Houran Court reflects a necessary practicality. With all sides unable to decisively establish dominance over the others on the battlefield, they have been compelled into compromise. Additionally, the establishment of one main justice provider is part of a pragmatic effort by the Southern Front to win civilian hearts and minds. External backers of the revolution may also see the Court as a relative success story for pragmatism showing that the Syrian opposition can create, ‘a “third way” of local governance that threatens Bashar al-Assad’s depiction of the Syrian opposition movement as extremists and terrorists.’

The effectiveness of the Courthouse in Houran in upholding and enforcing the law is in stark contrast to the situation in the north of Syria. In rebel-held Idlib and Aleppo, many courts have been essentially white-anted by the armed groups or other power brokers in town making it impossible for them to enforce the law. While some courts operating in rebel-held areas, such as those established in the image of armed groups like the Islamic Front’s Aleppo Sharia Court, have the ways and means to enforce their rulings, other courts, such as the Unified Judicial Council that operated until February 2014 in Aleppo and northern Idlib, have little to no ability to implement the law without the support of an armed group.

Additionally, because a cohesive legal structure is essential to effective governance, local communities need to establish and develop one main justice provider (and an associated legal hierarchy) as well as decide on one consistent body of law to deal with legal issues. In Kafr Nobel and Saraqib in northern Idlib province, for example, there are as many as five justice providers including a Sharia Court, the local police force and a Security Committee. Additionally, there is as yet no opposition agreement on whether pre-Ba’athist Syrian Law, the Unified Arab Code or Sharia law should be used to arbitrate disputes. Particularly regarding civil matters, the opinion of local tribal leaders also remains authoritative.

The obstacles that plague the establishment of the rule of law in northern Syria don’t seem to be happening with the Dar al-Adl in the south. Groups have so far honoured the courts decisions including cases of criminal allegations against their own members. The Court also seems to be using a consistent body of law that builds on the work of the Southern Front’s original Justice Committees. However, at this stage, the Court remains firmly wedded to its armed backers.

In wartime, fortunes are won and lost on the battlefield. As the most recent battle for control of Daraa unfolds, it will be interesting to see how military results affect the Southern Front’s relationship with its Islamist partners. If the Southern Front gains militarily, its professed nationalist and democratic agenda could offer new hope for a Syrian opposition that, until relatively recently, was considered by many as either extremist or fratricidal.

*Marika Sosnowski is a Middle East researcher. She has taught the history and politics of the region at a number of universities and is a regular guest on Melbourne radio station Triple R.

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News:

Idlib Falling Victim to Systematic Looting

Weeks after the city fell in the hands of rebel groups, Idlib is reportedly witnessing the systematic looting of public and private properties.

In the last few days, a number of activists from the city have been reporting the rising number of incidents involving the theft of state institutions and private assets alike.

In an interview on an opposition-affiliated radio, Ghazwan Qronfol, the head of the Free Syrian Lawyers Assembly, said, for instance, that members of the armed opposition groups had stolen hundreds of passenger cars and looted the private homes of many residents of the city, in particular those considered wealthy.

Other activists have also reported that public assets stolen have included the warehouse of the agricultural directorate of the city as well as the equipment of the Olive Bureau, the body in charge of monitoring the country’s olive sector and that is affiliated to the Ministry of Agriculture.

Also, machinery and equipment at the Idlib Spinning Plant, a large factory employing thousands of people, are reported to have been stolen.

Other parts of northern Syria that were taken over by opposition groups in the last three years have already been largely victim of chaos, theft and looting. Aleppo’s city, for instance, has seen the looting of hundreds of its plants.

However, many had hoped that Idlib would not face the same fate because of warnings by civil society groups and statements by rebel leaders that the same mistakes would not be repeated.

The chaos engulfing the city, however, raises again the case of the incapacity of the opposition to administer areas that fall outside the control of the regime.

The Syrian regime lost Idlib at the end of March after only a few days after the beginning of an offensive led by the Nusra Front and other radical Islamist groups.

At the time, the issue of how the city would be administered was raised and the National Coalition, the main non-military grouping of the opposition had asked rebel groups to protect private and public properties, to preserve the state’s institutions and ensure that they continued operating normally “to prove to the world that Syrians are capable of managing their country properly.”

While activists are making their anger increasingly heard on social media, there haven’t been yet reports of an opposition on the ground to the behaviour of the armed groups.

In addition to the prevailing lawlessness, the city faced a systematic bombing from the Syrian air force as soon as it fell outside the hands of the regime.

In a scenario that is reminiscent of many similar events in the last few years, the actions of the regime and of armed rebel groups have combined to make life unsustainable in the so-called “liberated” areas.

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1. SANDRO LOEWE said:

I was inside the Daraa Court of Justice one week before the start of the revolution. The feeling of justice was near zero by that time. I was stolen 10.000 USD by the syrian ¨legal¨ system and when it seemed I could win the cause the war broke out and the Daraa Court set on fire.

I thank the fuxxxer Assad for all the dignity, justice and richness we lost during the last 4 years.

I support the idea of sentencing serial killer Al Assad II to death by the same method Gaddafi was finished.

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July 9th, 2015, 1:46 pm

 

2. ALAN said:

«Israel Lex» | from Netanyahu’s office to «Syrian arena»: arms and recruit agents deals
تمكن قراصنة من الوصول الى أجهزة كومبيوتر تعود الى موظفين أمنيين في كيان العدو الإسرائيلي، بينهم أحد العاملين في مكتب متصل برئيس الحكومة بنيامين نتنياهو، وهو منذر الصفدي المشهور بـ«مندي الصفدي»، أبرز الناشطين في الملف السوري. عملية قرصنة كمبيوتر الصفدي وهاتفه والتنصّت عليه جرت على مدى أشهر وأدّت إلى فضح أسماء شخصيات لبنانية وسورية متورّطة في التعامل مع العدو الإسرائيلي في الملف السوري وغيره.
وقد نجح المقرصنون في نسخ ملفات ومحادثات بأكملها، والحصول على أرقام هواتف وعناوين ووثائق سرية تتعلّق بالتنسيق بين شخصيات سورية معارضة للنظام السوري وموالية له، وأخرى لبنانية مع الإسرائيليين للحصول على معلومات عن مواقع ومعطيات عن شخصيات في حزب الله. وكشفت الملفات محاولة «مندي» تجنيد عملاء لبنانيين وسوريين، وتنسيقه لإدخال السلاح الى مجموعات معارضة، وأحياناً دس شرائح تحديد مواقع فيها لقصفها لاحقاً من قبل قوات التحالف. كما فضحت علاقة تربط أحد أمراء «الدولة الإسلامية» مع العدو الإسرائيلي.
يكشف هذا الملف، الذي حصلت «الأخبار» على نسخة منه، عن جانب من الدور الإسرائيلي. وسنعرضه على حلقات. وقد عمدنا الى إزالة أسماء أشخاص، خشية أن تؤدي الى تعريض حياة أشخاص أبرياء للخطر.

رضوان مرتضى
قد يكون مندي الصفدي، ابن بلدة مجدل شمس السورية في الجولان المحتل، «أقرب السوريين» الى رئيس وزراء العدو الإسرائيلي بنيامين نتنياهو. إذ يشغل منصب مدير في مكتب نتنياهو، ويعمل تحديداً في شعبة تكنولوجيا المعلومات والخدمات، إضافة إلى عمله في الكنيست الإسرائيلي.

مندي، المولود عام ١٩٦٩ (اسمه الحقيقي منذر)، يعرف بـ«أبو ارسلان»، وهو ناشط سياسي واستخباري ويعمل في تجارة السلاح، ويمتلك العديد من الشركات التجارية في عدد من الدول، ويرأس جمعية «الدروز من أجل إسرائيل». وهو صديق مقرّب من رجل اليمين المتطرّف باروخ مارزل الذي يحتفل سنوياً بمجزرة الحرم الإبراهيمي في الخليل التي راح ضحيتها ٢٩ مصلياً فلسطينياً عام ١٩٩٤. وقد كُلِّف من جهات أمنية إسرائيلية بمتابعة ملف مجموعات المعارضة المسلّحة في سوريا، ما أدى الى ارتباطه بعلاقات واسعة بالاستخبارات التركية وبمختلف أطياف المعارضة السورية، وبضباط منشقّين وآخرين لا يزالون في صفوف قوات النظام.

اسرائيل ترتب صفقات التسلح للمعارضين في براغ بتمويل قطري وسعودي
وله تواصل مع قيادات في «جبهة النصرة» و«الدولة الإسلامية»، كما تربطه علاقات «صداقة» وعمل أمني بإحدى الشخصيات السياسية اللبنانية وبمغتربين لبنانيين. وتجدر الإشارة إلى أن زوجة أحد الرتباء في حرس مجلس النواب اللبناني تم توقيفها بعدما جنّدها «أبو ارسلان» عبر الفايسبوك. وهو يستخدم الرقم التركي: 905366053010.
الأرشيف الشخصي للصفدي يعطي فكرة عملانية عن كيفية تعامل العدو مع الساحة السورية منذ انفجار الأزمة. إذ يكشف علاقات تجمعه بشخصيات سورية ولبنانية، مدنية وعسكرية، مقيمة في لبنان وسوريا وفي عواصم قريبة وبعيدة، ويتضمن محادثات «سكايب»، ورسائل بريد إلكتروني، واتصالات ومحادثات هاتفية عبر تطبيقات عدة، أبرزها «viber»، فضلاً عن ملفات تتضمن خططاً عسكرية و«طلبيات» أسلحة نوعية ومقاطع فيديو، اضافة الى مغامراته الشخصية والجنسية. وتظهر الوثائق والمستندات والرسائل المقرصنة حجم الجهد والنشاط الاستثنائي الذي يبذله الصفدي الناشط في الملف السوري على مختلف الصعد الأمنية والسياسية والإغاثية وحتى الإعلامية.
الطريق عبر «داعش» العراق

بدأت القصة عندما تمكن «هاكر» محترف، قبل أشهر، من زرع «جاسوس إلكتروني» (Trojan) في الكمبيوتر الشخصي لأحد قادة تنظيم «الدولة الإسلامية» في العراق. وقد تبيّن، بالصدفة، وجود تواصل بين هذا القيادي والصفدي يطلع فيه الأول الثاني على تفاصيل الحياة السورية بتشعباتها. وعبر تقنية معينة، نجح الـ «هاكر» في إيصال «جاسوسه الإلكتروني» إلى الكومبيوتر الشخصي للصفدي. وترافق ذلك مع ورود معطيات مقرصنة من حاسوب «الشيخ عمر الحجي» (المعروف بـ«عمر غرباء»)، وهو أحد شرعيي «الدولة» في ولاية الرقة، من بينها رسالة من قبل شخص يدعى «شيخ أحمد» ينقل فيها عن «عبد الغفور الحاضري»، من مدينة حلب، معلومات حول شبكة استخبارية في تركيا يديرها الضابط الصهيوني «موتي كوهان»، ويعاونه مندوب أمني إسرائيلي درزي اسمه «مندي الصفدي»، لتجنيد العملاء، وأغلبهم من النساء، وعقد اجتماعات سرية في تركيا والأردن تضم ضباطاً صهاينة وأميركيين.

أسلحة من براغ

تكشف إحدى المراسلات عن «صفقة أسلحة» حاول العدو الإسرائيلي عقدها في العاصمة التشيكية براغ لحساب كل من «الجبهة الإسلامية» و«أجناد الشام» و«جبهة النصرة». غير أن الفصائل المسلّحة، وتحديداً «جبهة النصرة»، رفضت إتمام هذه الصفقة خارج الأراضي السورية، طالبةً أن تكون عن طريق المجالس العسكرية لتتمكن من التحكم بالسعر.

«الحر» يسيطر على معابر سرية في سفوح جبل الشيخ «خدمة لمصالح إسرائيل»
وتُظهر المراسلة اتفاقاً بين جهة إسرائيلية وأخرى سورية لإتمام الصفقة عبر الأراضي الأردنية ــ السورية، مع إصرار مندي على التفاوض على التفاصيل في مدينة براغ حيث مقر إحدى شركاته، وحيث تجري معظم الصفقات.
وتكشف ملفات «مندي» أن التمويل الرئيسي للمجموعات السورية المسلحة يأتي من قطر ومن مانحين سعوديين، وأن صلة الوصل بين «جبهة النصرة» وقطر في كل ما يتعلق بالتمويل هو السوري محمد الخطيب المعروف بـ «كلينتون»، وأن الأخير تربطه بـ «مندي» علاقات وثيقة. وتظهر «داتا الفايبر» أن السوري «أسامة الحر» يُنسّق مع العدو الإسرائيلي في صفقات التسلح في شمال سوريا، كما أن سيدة تُعرف باسم «ام عباد» تنشط على خط الصفقات. وتشير الداتا الى وجود تجار حكوميين (من دول عدة) يستقدمون أسلحة من مراكز تدريب تعذر تحديدها، ويحملون جوازات سفر أوروبية لسهولة التحرّك وإدخال البضاعة الى الأردن بشكل قانوني. وأظهر «تعقب» حاسوب مندي متابعته لنشاطات «لواء الفرقان ــ الجيش الحر»، وهي مجموعة «تتولى السيطرة على المعابر السرية قرب قلعة جندل في سفوح جبل الشيخ وذلك خدمة لمصالح إسرائيل»، بحسب مندي نفسه. وفي مراسلة أخرى، أبلغ أحد عملاء «مندي» في الجماعات المسلحة عن قصف قوات التحالف مقرات جماعة «لواء المعتز بالله» بعد تحديدها عبر شرائح إلكترونية زرعت داخل بضائع أرسلت إليهم عبر أحد التجار. وفي الداتا أيضاً محادثات حول التنسيق بين جهات سعودية وأخرى أردنية لعقد صفقات تسلحية في سوريا، مع إشارة الى وجود مندوبين إسرائيليين في مدينة درعا وداخل الأراضي الأردنية للعمل في السياق نفسه. ووُجد في أحد الملفات عقد لصفقة سلاح أميركي لمصلحة إحدى المجموعات المسلّحة، و«طلبية» صواريخ «تاو» و»ستينغر» مضادة للطائرات والدبابات ومناظير ليلية وحرارية وعد «مندي» بتأمينها من إسرائيل. كما عُثر على مسوّدة لـ»إنشاء جيش لإسقاط النظام السوري».
http://www.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/20150709/doc20150709_2.pdf

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July 9th, 2015, 3:33 pm

 

3. majedkhaldoun said:

I mentioned before and said the southern front is composed of different group Rebels than the northern groups, differ ideology , their support is different and their motivation is different, they are against ISIS , they are not equipped by good arms, financially also are somewhat related to KSA and approved by Jordan , their leaders are army trained, while the northern Rebels are mostly self trained, and their motivation is to get rid of Assad and this criminal regime and those criminals who support him,

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July 9th, 2015, 4:34 pm

 

4. Ghufran said:

I think the second piece about the looting in Idleb after it was “liberated” is more
important that the main entry. In every area in Syria where armed rebels won three
things happen:
1. Looting and human rights violations
2. Domination by Nusra et al ( or isis)
3. Bombardment of “liberated” areas by regime forces and even the U.S.
You are chasing a mirage my friends, stop this war and stop hallucinating.
Only 60 rebels were trained to ” fight isis” according to SOD !!
Most weapons given to rebels were taken by Nusra or isis in one way or the other and most money was stolen while people in areas under rebels control were struggling to
find food.

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July 9th, 2015, 10:49 pm

 
 

6. SimoHurtta said:

115. OMEN said:

Please meet Muhammad, Raghad and Shahd. Assad killed them by chlorine attack in Dier Ezzor, Syria.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbViVAUwAAqNOF.jpg

Well Omen who told you that these kids lived and died in Deir ez-Zor? You even misspelled the name of that city showing your level of skills in “local knowledge”. What is the source and which were the exact details of the event?

The most primitive and despicable kind of propaganda is using pictures of young children in pure and deliberate propaganda. Anybody could pick a picture of some very moving children and use it in a totally imaginary propagandist horror story. For example: “Please meet A, B and C, who were slaughtered in X by Y using a American made bomb”. I picked completely randomly from internet a picture of three beautiful Middle Eastern young children for my “example”, but then I begin to think what if the parents see their children in this example and what kind of feelings it would create, so I left the picture link away. Anyway it shows how easy it is to create an equal “message” which you created in previous threads comment number 115.

Omen if your story is true it deserves to be told with all needed details and assurity that it really happened exactly as it is told. The reality Omen is, that western Christian people like you and me with no real local connections and ability to check the stories from different sources, which in this case would demand being able to understand Arabic, can not guaranty that these kind of stories are true. We do not know are the children in your picture Syrians, are they really killed by “Assad” or anybody else, were they killed by chlorine etc. By spreading this kind of “stories” you Omen have only two options:
A) you repeat what is told to you without knowing is there a fragment of truth in the story
B) you invent the story yourself.

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July 10th, 2015, 4:04 am

 

7. Observer said:

Syria report is not an independent news. It is run by the pro regime business clan.

And as if Syria was not being systematically looted for at least the last 15 years if not more.

Go have a popsicle

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July 10th, 2015, 7:37 am

 

8. Sami said:

A lot more than 15 years Observer. The so called “corrective movement” was nothing but a mass looting of Syria entirely…

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July 10th, 2015, 9:29 am

 

9. omen said:

you can’t just point to the symptom without mapping out the road that got them there. reality is opposition are literally starved of support. the regime has been on a rampage burning down crops. even syrian civil defense/white helmet/first responders who have dug up & rescued thousands of civilians out from under the rubble – are not getting paid.

these heroes are saving lives and western countries refuse to pick up their salaries. what is the message sent here? obama & rest of the civilized world prefer syrians be entombed under rock instead. somehow obama’s indifference to mass carnage merits a free pass.

do critics expect the opposition to subsist on air?

saudis early on promised to support the opposition with salaries. rebels resorting to looting is indication they still aren’t getting paid. last i recall, obama cut off non-lethal aid. UN food aid goes directly into regime hands. even refugee aid distributed in neighboring countries – lebanese officials steal outright. these scandals exposing corruption and greed of officials somehow fail to garner attention nor go viral. doesn’t whet the appetite of apologists either. seems to be a certain class of people who only get off on blaming the poor.

there are two ways of doing things.

– if western countries offered material, money, counseling on top of a sorely needed NFZ – that would provide support for an orderly transition.

– time and time again, obama opts instead to turn his back on the opposition, leave them high & dry – which translates as a vote for chaos over order.

obama refuses to even take out the tarmacs that enable iran to keep supplying this genocide machine.

the preferred sport instead is to watch the little guy get kicked in the gut and be scandalized that he crumbled to the ground.

it is not fair to frame rebels as a bunch of hooligans undeserving of support when their desperation is a very symptom of lack of support!

fortunately, there is balance here with the description ms. sosnowski sketches out of opposition efforts at self organization. clearly not hooligan behavior.

would self righteous, moralizing, assad apologists who love to stomp on rebels be able to withstand all of what the opposition has been forced to endure without getting their own halos dirty?

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July 10th, 2015, 11:57 am

 

10. SANDRO LOEWE said:

This weeked the new US/IRAN MIDDLE EAST AXIS AGREEMENT will be anounced.

From now on IRAN will be the regional power that will manage US issues and will have permission from United States administration
to freely act and conquest while enjoying the monopoly on the use of force. All those who oppose Iran will be called terrorists in the mass media and Iran will be a very lovely, rich, talented, modernizing, reformist and human rights lovely country.

The sad point is that in Iran, like in Cuba and Syria, all those who lost their country, their properties, their dreams for the fight of freedom and human rights will be fuxxxed by Obama.

Israel will celebrate a new druze country or region, and will also enjoy a kurdish country in the north of Syria. It is unlikely that ISIL will create something like an state. It could be invaded by Turkey, but ASSAD will survive as the president of DAMASCUS-HOMS-TARTUS-LATTAKIA.

Obama is the new master of the mountain that has reactivated the chia sects in Syria by promoting ISIL and destroying the revolution, giving free way to an agreement with Iran. Once the agreement is done then Iran and Obama will disconect ISIL and execute the partition of Syria.

This is what I think will happen.

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July 10th, 2015, 2:42 pm

 

11. ALAN said:

First Obama lets slip the US is training “ISIL”, now Germany is providing air cover for ISIL by shooting down Syrian Air Force jets.
It is now clear, it is Germany shooting at Syrian planes and helicopters attacking ISIS positions. Why are the Germans in Turkey? What could their mission possibly be. There is little doubt that Germany is providing an air umbrella over al Nusra and ISIS forces. Who has the power to make them do that?
The German Patriot air and missile defense systems, stationed at the Turkish border with Syria, have carried out “unexplained” commands allegedly issued by unknown hackers, according to a German media report since rebutted by the government.
The US-produced missile systems, belonging to the German Bundeswehr armed forces and based on the territory of NATO ally Turkey since 2013, have been compromised, according to a report in the German Behörden Spiegel.
As a result, the systems, consisting of six launchers and two radars, reportedly carried out“unexplained” orders, the publication claimed, providing no further information on the kind of commands.
A spokesman for the Federal Department of Defense however rebutted the report on Tuesday, saying that “there is no base data” for an extremely improbable attack, Die Welt newspaper reported……..

http://investmentwatchblog.com/first-obama-lets-slip-the-us-is-training-isil-now-germany-is-providing-air-cover-for-isil-by-shooting-down-syrian-air-force-jets/

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July 10th, 2015, 2:52 pm

 

12. Akbar Palace said:

This is what I think will happen.

Sandro Loewe,

The course correction will come once Obama leaves office. This “nuclear agreement” is just a nice way for rich people to get more frequent flyer miles. It won’t make the world safer; it will be more violent. BB is right. But don’t worry, Israel will do what the rest of the world is afraid to do.

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July 10th, 2015, 3:52 pm

 

13. SANDRO LOEWE said:

AKBAR,

I hope and I pray from the deepest of my heart that Israel does the job the kenyan shite president of the US does not want to do in Iran.

Things have got to the point that only an israelí-arab alliance (Israel, Jordan, SA, Kuwait and UAE, maybe Turkey too) can stop the course of facts driven by Obama.

And in this way I am afraid Israel is not being fair because they are still supporting the survival of Assad and Hezballah. If Israel had had the will to bomb Assad HQ in 2011 the syrian people would have changed this view that Israel remains the best friend of Assad and Iran.

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July 10th, 2015, 4:31 pm

 

14. SANDRO LOEWE said:

Obama has reached a final deal with Iran. News coming soon.

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July 10th, 2015, 4:41 pm

 

15. Akbar Palace said:

If Israel had had the will to bomb Assad HQ in 2011 the syrian people would have changed this view that Israel remains the best friend of Assad and Iran.

Sandro Loewe,

You have a point. I was hoping the US was going to drop missiles on Assad when he addressed his yes – men at a meeting of the Baathist “government”.

So it seems eveyone wants somebody else to do the dirty work. If Israel were to do this then Israel gets blamed for aiding isis or choosing sides.

In the end, Israel reacts to “red-lines”. Assad’s survival is not an Israeli red-line. Unfortunately. And what guarantee is there that things improve for Israel when Assad is gone?

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July 10th, 2015, 4:58 pm

 

16. SANDRO LOEWE said:

Israel gets beneffit of the sunna-shia war promoted by Iran and the CIA. The ethnic cleansing of Syria committed by Iran and its toy ISIL will empty Syria and leave it to the appetite of next conqueror, be it Iran, Turkey or Israel, or maybe all at once, every one taking a portion of Syria.

Israel has no moral commitment with the syrian people but letting it be massacred under a dictatorship never elected by syrians is not the best way to promote safe and fair relations with the future syrian populations in the after Assad. Be sure about it.

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July 10th, 2015, 6:07 pm

 

17. Akbar Palace said:

Israel gets beneffit of the sunna-shia war promoted by Iran and the CIA.

SL,

Any time you’re not at war, you benefit. The iranian mullahs, Saddam, HA, Assad want to free Palestine, but always wind up killing muslims in the “process”. Believe me, I’d rather see everyone at peace. But as you know, nothing is predictable and war can break out at any time.

Like you, I think there should be a united jewish – arab summit to discuss the Iranian threat and what to do about it. Israel needs arab friends and, hopefullt, there is something Israel can offer the arabs.

I disagree about CIA influence. The CIA doesn’t have a clue. My guess is, that individual Saudis are funding isis to thwart Assad and the Iranian axis. This is how al-Queda worked.

The ethnic cleansing of Syria committed by Iran and its toy ISIL will empty Syria and leave it to the appetite of next conqueror, be it Iran, Turkey or Israel, or maybe all at once, every one taking a portion of Syria.

Vacuums in the ME close quickly. Somebody fills the void before the blink of an eye. Rest assured Israel stays at the present quneitra border. The borders of Syria should stay where they are, imho. It is internationally recognized.

Israel has no moral commitment with the syrian people but letting it be massacred under a dictatorship never elected by syrians is not the best way to promote safe and fair relations with the future syrian populations in the after Assad. Be sure about it.j

SL,

My thoughts and prayers are with the innocent people of syria, who have never known peace or freedom. I don’t know what Syrians give a hoot about Israel, and this doesn’t bother me.

Like I said, I would prefer a way to come together to help us bridge these misunderstandings among our semitic peoples, so we are not forced to watch so many people suffer.

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July 10th, 2015, 8:16 pm

 

18. Majedkhaldoun said:

Hassan Nasrallah said the road to Jerusalem,Al Quds, is through Zabadani
This is so stupid, he will never reach AlQuds, he will reach Hell and reside there for ever, he is so deranged, he is not defending Al Albeitال البيت، he is defending Al Assadال الاسد
Someone has to teach him the right way, he is another person who distorts fact and history

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July 10th, 2015, 9:05 pm

 

19. Ghufran said:

I think there will be an agreement with Iran and potentially a grand bargain that
involves KSA and Turkey.
The nervous parties include Israel and people who support armed rebels.
The war in Syria needs to stop and Assad must be forced to accept elections and a Taef type solution which needs to ensure the return of refugees and an inclusive government. It is best if Assad resigns eventually and non Nusra and Isis Syrian rebels get accommodations so they stop fighting
but evade prosecution.
Syria will be partitioned politically to keep the big powers happy.
Easier said than done but people have to choose between a deal they do not like or keep the war raging, that deal requires a compromise which ends the illusion that one side can dominate.

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July 10th, 2015, 9:39 pm

 
 

21. omen said:

12. Akbar Palace said: The course correction will come once Obama leaves office.

syrians been strung along enough by the west in the last four years. first it was fake pronouncements of a quick fall (raising false hope,) then fake friends of syria, then wait after obama re-election, then wait after geneva, then wait after erdogan election – always wait wait wait to no avail. and they weren’t buying it. syrians dying in droves dont have time to waste with false promises of false dawns. (i was going to say thankfully rebels on the ground seized their own initiative but even there, they are hampered by outside powers interference, halting ongoing operations by drying up support!)

aside from a lot of hot air, there is no indication another admin would act any differently. the ground work that cleared the path towards rapprochement with iran has been Decades in the making, facilitated by both parties.

But don’t worry, Israel will do what the rest of the world is afraid to do.

i wish i could hang hope on this. but remember, obama promised to shoot down any israeli jets who threatened to bomb iran.

whether a serious threat from obama or posturing meant curry favor with the ayatollah to seal the deal – who knows?

theatre aside, there are plenty of signs israel is covertly colluding with iran in their common interest to dominate and eviscerate arabs. connect the dots. i pointed to plenty earlier. there are so many obama foreign policy anomalies that are a break from tradition, that it’s hard for me believe obama would be able to get away with unless he got a buy-in from israelis. everything from cia forwarding intel to hezbollah (!?) to US coordinating with iran proxy/shia death squads in iraq. outrageous unorthodoxy israel is strangely silent about. silence is consent.

assad remains in power today because netanyahu’s scheming warded off an obama strike. how can this not be read as a gift to iran?

israeli generals have even held closed door meetings with iranian agents in vienna.

no longer credible for israel to posture iran as an existential threat when she is holding secret meetings with the enemy.

while some things strike me as obvious, this is hard for you to acknowledge because you are hampered by identity politics. you digest criticism of israel as a personal affront. that’s ok. i dont say this to insult. we all have our soft spots. i just wonder if you aware of your bias.

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July 10th, 2015, 11:51 pm

 

22. Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

You’re doing a great job beating me and Israel up, and if it makes you feel better, then by all means. As a pro-democracy arab like you, I would be just as frustrated.

But what arabs ever helped Israel? So why do you expect Israel to fight with the FSA?

Have the FSA contacted the GOI and ask for help? Why not?

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July 11th, 2015, 12:47 am

 

23. omen said:

i always feel stupid when i labor to sweat out a response only to turn around to see a superior intellect bare naked critics’ cheap shot (rebels looting) with a deft slice.

@DrThrax123: Most looting happened against former government held facilities and prominent regime supporters who abandoned their belongings. It’s called Ghanimah.

zorro was here.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:14 am

 

24. omen said:

akbar, i appreciated your earlier indulgence. i dont fault you nor hold you responsible for israel’s madness. you must know i respect you, otherwise i wouldnt talk to you. im sorry you feel beat up but how else do i point out you habitually dismiss proof that implicates israel? there is always an excuse to dismiss damning evidence. nothing is ever up to snuff. i hope we can be cordial and still be frank in our arguments. we can agree to disagree.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:37 am

 

25. Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

Fair enough. Israel hates Assad and his friends like you. I suppose Israel feels it’s hands are tied with no option better than the other. Personally, imo, they just can’t afford to take a side. Isis on the border may be worse. I really have no other explanation.

But if Israel had the opportunity to work with an arab ally, that could change and Israel could work together on a shared vision.

Regards.

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July 11th, 2015, 3:05 am

 

26. Observer said:

Ghufran are you following the news or what?

Didn’t you listen to the HA turbaned leader tell us that the road to Qods goes through Zabadani and Hassaka and Aleppo and Homs and Soueida?

I noted he did not mention Raqqa did you not?

You are asking for the war to end and yet the very core of the regime and the very core of the supporters of the regime wish for the 13% of the population to continue to subjugate the 74% of the population and keep the rest in limbo.

I do not on which planet you reside; but come down and smell the roses: this regime is pure sectarian hatred and violence to its very fiber and unfortunately convinced the sect that this is the only way to go about treating others.

The hatred is so deep that the very idea of living with another human being is completely alien to their way of thinking.

Please you are more intelligent than continuing these senseless unrealistic posts.

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July 11th, 2015, 7:28 am

 

27. Majedkhaldoun said:

Justice must be served, justice is the best way to prevent the creation of extremists, and cut the road for terrorism, when people find that justice is not served they think that violence pays, so they become violent,
Justice is not revenge, revenge hurts innocent people, justice prosecute criminals
Why would anyone calls for Assad to evade prosecution? Obviously he considers Assad someone special , above human , someone who reveres Assad
Assad and the criminals who defend and protect Assad, and call for Assad to avoid prosecution, they do not believe in justice, they believe in criminality, they are to be condemned
Assad and the criminals who defend Assad they are criminals, the same as ISIS, they both are two sides for the same coin , coin of murder and criminality, fighting one must includes.fighting the other, US is wrong in fighting ISIS alone , U S must fight Assad and his loyal criminals
The persistence of Assad and his supporters in killing Syrians raping women, torturing till death , having prisons like concentration camps, destroying Syria for five years, and then call for evading justice is just outrageous and disgusting, these people are not honest, bent on criminality, they do not believe in freedom and human dignity, they serve our enemy more than our enemy asks for.

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July 11th, 2015, 9:15 am

 

28. ALAN said:

America has done an excellent job of almost completely isolating itself from the world. Lets face it, its ‘friends’ in Europe are mere satraps, those russian sanctions have worked in complete reverse order
The record is not good. It took over five decades for Washington to start normalizing its relations with heavily sanctioned Cuba. Washington has already alienated the overwhelming majority of 1.7 billion followers of Islam. It has lost most of 1.2 billion Indians – as India joins the SCO. It has lost 1.3 billion Chinese with the pathetic “pivot to Asia” and the non-stop South China Sea saber rattling. It has totally lost Russia, the absolute majority of Latin America and the absolute majority of the Global South.
US is on the fastest and longest losing streak in human history.

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July 11th, 2015, 10:05 am

 

29. Akbar Palace said:

US is wrong in fighting ISIS alone , U S must fight Assad and his loyal criminals

Majedkhaldoun,

Yes I agree. It took a year for isis to reach Syria. If we had remained in Iraq, the US could have easily supported the opposition and dragged Assad off to jail. But, of course, this wasn’t Obama’s plan.

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July 11th, 2015, 1:33 pm

 

30. omen said:

for weeks now, if not longer, arsonist mullahs been deflecting responsibility by blaming daesh on the U.S. now an obama slip admits to “training ISIL”. of all the mistakes in the world, he makes this one. that’s pretty remarkable. honest gaffe? or yet more shameless appeasement meant to flatter the ayatollah’s ego?

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July 11th, 2015, 2:03 pm

 

31. Ghufran said:

Aleppo offensive yielded little benefits to the rebels and the same is true for southern Syria.
Most advances made by anti regime rebels were by nusra, Isis and their step kids, that makes supporters of rebels cheer leaders for terrorist groups, I am not in denial, I know how dirty this war is and how difficult a solution will be but the answer to the regime brutality is not nusra and Isis, and that is why the rhetoric of thawrajiyyeh is totally irrelevant and redundant. Anti regime armed forces had 4 years and 4 months to come up with an alternative to the regime and they failed miserably, even if you supported rebels at the beginning you have to admit that your support today is not justified. As for sectarianism, rebels and their supporters have lost the moral high ground a long time ago, there are no free or alive Shia or alawites in any area controlled by rebels while millions of Sunni live ,and continue to emigrate, to areas under the ” sectarian” regime control.
The comments by rebel supporters today are a form of black comedy.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:28 pm

 

32. Ghufran said:

According to Muhammad Abu Qasem (from Zabadani), there is only 24 hours left to reach a cease fire, he said that over 80% of the town is destroyed or severely damaged, he also denied that nusra and Isis have any presence there but estimated that 25% of fighters are from Ahrar alsham and that fighters in Zabadani will join nusra if the bombing continues.
The army does not want any heavy weapons in Zabadani and has agreed to allow those who want to leave to do so. Qasem said that there is stiif resistance by rebels but people have no access to food, sugar is being sold at $ 5 a kg now. Info in this post was provided by mr Abu Qasem.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:55 pm

 

33. ALAN said:

Asghar
Care about how to drag the criminal killer Netanyahu to the prison and perhaps to the gallows with the rest of the military and do not cram your nose in syrian tambourine.

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July 11th, 2015, 4:17 pm

 

34. Akbar Palace said:

Care about how to drag the criminal killer Netanyahu to the prison and perhaps to the gallows….

Ahlan,

Life isn’t fair of course, so we’ve been waiting many years for you and your Resistance Pro™ heroes to bring “justice” to the Middle East and drag BB to jail just like, for example, the US brought Saddam and Muamar to their untimely end.

Still waiting….

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July 11th, 2015, 9:10 pm

 

35. Ghufran said:

Aljazeera reported that A’maaq, Isis media outlet, posted pictures of its fighters inside Zabadani, that contradicts Abu Qasem assertion that Isis has no presence there !!

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July 11th, 2015, 11:24 pm

 

36. omen said:

beyond right & wrong: stories of justice and forgiveness

albert mason
psychiatrist, psychoanalyst

one allows one group of human beings to annihilate another group is just they find a way of dehumanizing them. now, you do that by taking aspects of yourself that you hate, that you feel are bad, despicable and you want to disown them and you put them into the victim. then the victim is experienced as a disease or a scourge and can be annihilated.

you also, in the same way, extract anything good from them and attribute that to yourself. “i’m civilized and you’re a savage.”

for forgiveness to occur, the process must be put into reverse, sort of speak, because where the victim has to see the perpetrator as not all bad or evil – and this can occur if they see that the perpetrator shows genuine remorse, guilt and takes real steps to repair or rebuild the damage they’ve done.

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July 12th, 2015, 2:36 am

 

37. Juergen said:

How refugee women put Euripides Women of Troy on stage:

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July 12th, 2015, 2:57 am

 

38. SimoHurtta said:

34. AKBAR PALACE said:

Care about how to drag the criminal killer Netanyahu to the prison and perhaps to the gallows….

Ahlan,

Life isn’t fair of course, so we’ve been waiting many years for you and your Resistance Pro™ heroes to bring “justice” to the Middle East and drag BB to jail just like, for example, the US brought Saddam and Muamar to their untimely end.

Still waiting….

Akbar you as a US and Israeli citizen have no reasons to brag, not for either of your home countries. Do you seriously claim that USA and Israel provide “justice” to the world and Middle East especially when they can’t even provide and justice to their own citizen. USA is a two party republic (not democracy) for (some) white people, Israel is a racist militaristic theocracy.

Israel supports anybody who is against Arabs and Muslims, plus anybody else with whom they can make money. That includes Idi Amin, the generals of Burma, Apartheid Clowns in South Africa, black Sudanese, Kurds, Iranians, Eritreans (replaced now with Ethiopians), Diamond warlords with their child soldiers etc.

Also USA supports any “character” who can guarantee USA control, weapon markets, raw materials and cheap labor.

List of authoritarian regimes supported by the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

Latin America

Porfirio Díaz (Mexico) (1876–1911)[11][12]
Institutional Revolutionary Party (Mexico) (1929–2000)[13]
Juan Vicente Gómez (Venezuela) (1908–35)[14]
Manuel Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala) (1898–1920)[15]
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala) (1931–44)[15]
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba) (1952–59)[16]
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) (1930–61)[17]
Efraín Ríos Montt and the rest of the military junta in Guatemala (1954–86)[18][19]
Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador (1979–82)[20]
Hugo Banzer (Bolivia) (1971–78)[21]
National Reorganization Process (Argentina) (1976–83)[22]
Brazilian military government (1964–85)[10][23]
Somoza family (Nicaragua) (1936–79)[24]
François Duvalier (Haiti) (1957–71)[25]
Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti) (1971–86)[25]
Omar Torrijos (Panama) (1968–81)[26]
Manuel Noriega (Panama) (1983–89)[26]
Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay) (1954–89)[27][28]
Augusto Pinochet (Chile) (1973–90)[29]

Asia
Syngman Rhee (South Korea) (1948–60)[32]
Ayub Khan (Pakistan) (1958–69)
Nursultan Nazarbayev (Kazakhstan) (1991-present)[33] [34]
Park Chung-hee (South Korea) (1961–79)[35]
Chun Doo-Hwan (South Korea) (1979–88)[36]
Ngo Dinh Diem (South Vietnam) (1955–63)[37]
Lon Nol (Cambodia) (1970–75)[38]
Yahya Khan (Pakistan) (1969–71)[39][40]
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (Iran) (1941–79)[41][42]
Ferdinand Marcos (Philippines) (1965–86)[43][44]
Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (Pakistan) (1978–88)[45]
Saddam Hussein (Iraq) (1982–90)[46]
Suharto (Indonesia) (1967–98)[47]
Truong Tan Sang (Vietnam) (2011–present)[48]
Prayut Chan-o-cha (Thailand (2014-present) [49][50]
Islam Karimov (Uzbekistan) (1990–present)[48]
Pervez Musharraf (Pakistan) (1999–2008)[51]
Ali Abdullah Saleh (Yemen) (1990–2012)[52]
Emomalii Rahmon (Tajikistan) (1994–present)[48]
Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow (Turkmenistan) (2006–present)[48]
House of Saud (Saudi Arabia) (1945–present)[53][54][55]
Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (Bahrain) (1999–present)[56]
Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani (Qatar) (1995–2013)[57]
Qaboos bin Said al Said (Oman) (1970–present)[55]
Hashemite Dynasty (Jordan) (1951–present)[58] [59] [60]
United Arab Emirates (1994–present)[61]

Africa
King Hassan II, predecessors and successors (Morocco) (1777–present)[62]
Gaafar Nimeiry (Sudan) (1969–85)[63]
Samuel Doe (Liberia) (1980–90)[64]
Meles Zenawi (Ethiopia) (1991–2012)[48]
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea) (1979–present)[48]
Mobutu Sese Seko (Democratic Republic of the Congo) (1965–97)[65][66]
Hissène Habré (Chad) (1982–90)[67]
Hosni Mubarak (Egypt) (1981–2011)[68]
Abdel Fattah el-Sisi,(Egypt) (2014-ongoing). [69] [70]
Idriss Déby (Chad) (1990–present)[71]
Yoweri Museveni (Uganda) (1986–present)[72]
Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Tunisia) (1987–2011) [73]
Paul Kagame (Rwanda) (2000–present)[74]

Europe
Francisco Franco (Francoist Spain) (1936–75)[75]
António de Oliveira Salazar (Portugal) (1932–74)[76]
Joseph Stalin (Soviet Union) (1941–1945)[77]
Greek military junta (1967–74)[78]
Turkish military junta (Turkey) (1980–91)[79]
Josip Broz Tito (Yugoslavia) (1955-1981)[80]

Before Iraq invasion famous peace researchers estimated, that US wars, interventions, coups etc had caused the early death of some 15 million people since WW2. Do you really Akbar believe that this was done in the name of “democracy”, “justice”, “security”, “no terrorism” or “drug wars”? Surely you can say it was but so you can also say that God gave Israel to you and your religious clan about 3475 years ago. But saying doesn’t make those claims the truth.

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July 12th, 2015, 4:48 am

 

39. Juergen said:

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July 12th, 2015, 6:11 am

 

40. ALAN said:

Asghar, anti-Semite and anti Jewish – Zionist in general!
Here, how this esteemed cleric Jewish describe the Zionism vaunted by you
https://youtu.be/iwXh04DY2kk
.

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July 12th, 2015, 6:12 am

 
 

42. Tara said:

Akbar palace,

Resistance Pro™ !

BRILIANT ! This is what it really is. An industry using the Palestinian cause for ulterior motive. For Iran, it is to dominate the Middle East and to force the world to accept its sinister plan externally and to brainwash the masses internally. For the fat boy, it is for the Shias to dominate the politics in Lebanon and keep them militarized. For Batta, is to maintain his and his family’s ass on the seat.

Remember our gorgeous First Lady CNN interview concerned about Gazza’s children being starved. Few years later, she was ordering cereals in masses so her children’d taste buds do not get used to the Syrian cuisine while Syrian children are starved.

I honestly DO NOT believe in resistance any more. They all hide under the resistance to keep us oppressed.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:01 am

 

43. Akbar Palace said:

An industry using the Palestinian cause for ulterior motive.

Yes Tara,

The Palestinians have been used and abused by others for decades. Meanwhile, hate of joos seems to go hand-in-hand with the murder of many other people, not just joos.

Just ask Hitler. It’s pure evil.

Now that Iran will be getting the bomb, a lot of sunnis are concerned. I am as well.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:21 am

 

44. Tara said:

Akbar,

Those HA fighters (Samir Qintar) who can smash a skull of 4 yo Israeli girl and be celebrated by the surrounding culture as a national hero, can easily smash a skull of a 4 yo Syrian girl and Batta also celebrated as a national hero. This is ain’t resistance. This is pure evil.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:36 am

 

45. Akbar Palace said:

Do you seriously claim that USA and Israel provide “justice” to the world and Middle East especially when they can’t even provide and justice to their own citizen.

Sim, you silly goose, I never claimed “…that USA and Israel provide ‘justice’…”. In fact, I stated life wasn’t fair.

All I pointed out was that I’ve been hearing for years the Resistance Pros™ are going to destroy Israel. Meanwhile, they’re destroying their own cities and their own people. I’m not sure if that bothers you or not, it certainly “bothers” those that are dying and their families.

It is already known the Iranians would have no qualms killing every single Palestinian if they could destroy Israel. Sounds like a form of fanatical Naziism to me.

As far as USA and Israeli “racism”. You believe what you want HaBB, all I know is that minorities (blacks included) are risking their lives to gain access to each of these countries.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:38 am

 

46. ALAN said:

/Meanwhile, hate of jews seems to go hand-in-hand with the murder of many other people, not just jews./
This is absurdity. No force on the earth has hatred towards the Jews more than Zionists. It’s evil scattered – The destruction of humanity.

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July 12th, 2015, 11:09 am

 

47. Akbar Palace said:

,

Those HA fighters (Samir Qintar) who can smash a skull of 4 yo Israeli girl and be celebrated by the surrounding culture as a national hero, can easily smash a skull of a 4 yo Syrian girl and Batta also celebrated as a national hero. This is ain’t resistance. This is pure evil.

Tara,

Yes. I agree. Thanks. In a world that seems upside down, it’s nice to know there are good people out there such as yourself and numerous others on this website. It’s a relief.

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July 12th, 2015, 12:40 pm

 

48. omen said:

http://tonykaron.com/2010/08/12/why-are-the-israelis-telling-their-secret-iran-attack-plans-to-jeffrey-goldberg/

A dated column but still useful review. gives indication of who stands to profit from the coming arms race if the nuk deal goes thru.

discusses the long fabled Israeli strike on Iran (that I’d bet money isn’t going to happen). reviewing this in hindsight, especially in the aftermath of revelations Israel staged the deal that spared assad from an obama strike – reads like a prepped-ahead-of-time alibi to disguise israel’s uncharacteristic support for the west getting in bed with iran. netanyahu’s token protests aside, majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal set to turbo charge iran’s grip over the region.

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July 12th, 2015, 2:36 pm

 

49. Akbar Palace said:

discusses the long fabled Israeli strike on Iran (that I’d bet money isn’t going to happen). reviewing this in hindsight, especially in the aftermath of revelations Israel staged the deal that spared assad from an obama strike – reads like a prepped-ahead-of-time alibi to disguise israel’s uncharacteristic support for the west getting in bed with iran. netanyahu’s token protests aside, majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal set to turbo charge iran’s grip over the region.

Omen,

That’s all we need is more conspiracy theory.

How do you know the “…majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal…” with Iran? The only pro-Iranians in the Knesset are Israeli-arab MKs like Hannan Zoabi. Chat with her Omen.

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July 12th, 2015, 3:00 pm

 

50. omen said:

How do you know the “…majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal…”

it was in the papers.

https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+defense+oppose+netanyahu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

israeli establishment, including officials from defense and intel agencies, in an uproar against netanyahu, accused him of imperiling national security by opposing the deal! even now, on the eve of agreement, bibi is quiet as a mouse.

That’s all we need is more conspiracy theory.

feel free to disregard but i tried to point to israel as the actual architect in hammering the chem deal (thus sparing assad) before michael oren finally blew the whistle last month revealing the officially sanctioned cover story, giving credit to russia, turned out to be a fraud. you know, the same story you keep dodging from acknowledging, not wanting to digest implication.

sometimes when the dots line up, it’s not by accident.

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July 12th, 2015, 3:27 pm

 

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