The Syrian Southern Front: Why it Offers Better Justice and Hope than Northern Front” by Marika Sosnowski

MSosnowski-1The Syrian Southern Front: Why it Offers Better Justice and Hope than the Northern”
For Syria Comment – 9 July 2015
by Marika Sosnowski – @mikisosnowski

The coalition of several dozen local insurgent groups, known as ‘the Southern Front’, is consolidating its control in and around Daraa and the Houran Plain in Syria. While the Southern Front is not a cohesive organization but instead an alliance of units that are each individually linked to and funded by the Western- and Arab-backed Military Operations Center (MOC) in Amman, the coalition has in recent months shown itself to be adept in understanding the importance of establishing and maintaining a legitimate and authoritative justice provider. This is because a strong judiciary shows Syrians, and the world, that the Syrian opposition can effectively govern areas under its control. A strong judiciary also makes the Southern Front one of the few viable alternatives to the Assad regime that has emerged from this crisis.

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Syrian policemen stand in front the burned court building that was set on fire by Syrian anti-government protesters, in the southern city of Daraa, Syria, Monday March 21, 2011. Mourners chanting “No more fear!” have marched through a Syrian city where anti-government protesters had deadly confrontations with security forces in recent days. The violence in Daraa, a city of about 300,000 near the border with Jordan, was fast becoming a major challenge for President Bashar Assad, who tried to contain the situation by freeing detainees and promising to fire officials responsible for the violence. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

Around November 2014, financial and military setbacks forced Jabhat al-Nusra, which also has a strong presence in the south, into an alliance with the Southern Front and other Islamists. The alliance consolidated the various Hay’at Al Sharia, or Islamic Justice Committees, that had been operating in the Southern Front’s area of control, into one Dar al-‘Adl known as the Dar al-‘Adl fi al-Hawran, or the Houran Courthouse, which is located in Gharz, southern Syria. Before that, the Islamic Justice Committees of the Southern Front had used a mix of tribal, Islamic, and customary law to maintain order, with some success.

While in many ways the union is borne out of strategic necessity the real difference with the formation of the Dar al-‘Adl is that nearly all the factions seem to back it, whereas the courts in the north are more fragmented and affiliated with smaller sets of armed groups. As such, the northern courts do not command the same authority or legitimacy with Syrians that the southern court seems to be garnering. Additionally, the relative strength of the Southern Front, gained in part through the consistent coordination and backing of the MOC, have enabled the creation of a unified court that includes groups such as al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham. The formation of the court draws on lessons learned from the north in seeking to prevent the Islamists from creating their own systems of governance.

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In a display of both military power and good faith, the groups negotiated to appoint sixteen judges to the court. Half were chosen by the Southern Front with al-Nusra appointing four and the remainder selected by other Islamist groups that are part of the alliance, Harakat al-Muthana and Ahrar al-Sham. It is not clear whether the judges are independent or simply members of their respective factions. However, the Courthouse is not wholly religious or civil, following the original Justice Committees by using tribal, Islamic, and customary law to deal with cases common in rebel-held Syria. These include military, criminal, and administrative matters, as well as reconciling disputes involving civilians and armed factions. For example, once the court was established detainees being held by the various factions were handed over to the court for sentencing and detention. The Court also seems to be playing an active mediation role between armed factions, such as the Shohadaa al-Yarmouk Brigade and Jabhat al-Nusra. In the aftermath of a military operation in April to secure the Nasib border crossing with Jordan, the Court was also charged with establishing a judicial committee to record the claims of people affected during the operation.

While each faction would certainly prefer sole-control, the establishment of the Houran Court reflects a necessary practicality. With all sides unable to decisively establish dominance over the others on the battlefield, they have been compelled into compromise. Additionally, the establishment of one main justice provider is part of a pragmatic effort by the Southern Front to win civilian hearts and minds. External backers of the revolution may also see the Court as a relative success story for pragmatism showing that the Syrian opposition can create, ‘a “third way” of local governance that threatens Bashar al-Assad’s depiction of the Syrian opposition movement as extremists and terrorists.’

The effectiveness of the Courthouse in Houran in upholding and enforcing the law is in stark contrast to the situation in the north of Syria. In rebel-held Idlib and Aleppo, many courts have been essentially white-anted by the armed groups or other power brokers in town making it impossible for them to enforce the law. While some courts operating in rebel-held areas, such as those established in the image of armed groups like the Islamic Front’s Aleppo Sharia Court, have the ways and means to enforce their rulings, other courts, such as the Unified Judicial Council that operated until February 2014 in Aleppo and northern Idlib, have little to no ability to implement the law without the support of an armed group.

Additionally, because a cohesive legal structure is essential to effective governance, local communities need to establish and develop one main justice provider (and an associated legal hierarchy) as well as decide on one consistent body of law to deal with legal issues. In Kafr Nobel and Saraqib in northern Idlib province, for example, there are as many as five justice providers including a Sharia Court, the local police force and a Security Committee. Additionally, there is as yet no opposition agreement on whether pre-Ba’athist Syrian Law, the Unified Arab Code or Sharia law should be used to arbitrate disputes. Particularly regarding civil matters, the opinion of local tribal leaders also remains authoritative.

The obstacles that plague the establishment of the rule of law in northern Syria don’t seem to be happening with the Dar al-Adl in the south. Groups have so far honoured the courts decisions including cases of criminal allegations against their own members. The Court also seems to be using a consistent body of law that builds on the work of the Southern Front’s original Justice Committees. However, at this stage, the Court remains firmly wedded to its armed backers.

In wartime, fortunes are won and lost on the battlefield. As the most recent battle for control of Daraa unfolds, it will be interesting to see how military results affect the Southern Front’s relationship with its Islamist partners. If the Southern Front gains militarily, its professed nationalist and democratic agenda could offer new hope for a Syrian opposition that, until relatively recently, was considered by many as either extremist or fratricidal.

*Marika Sosnowski is a Middle East researcher. She has taught the history and politics of the region at a number of universities and is a regular guest on Melbourne radio station Triple R.

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News:

Idlib Falling Victim to Systematic Looting

Weeks after the city fell in the hands of rebel groups, Idlib is reportedly witnessing the systematic looting of public and private properties.

In the last few days, a number of activists from the city have been reporting the rising number of incidents involving the theft of state institutions and private assets alike.

In an interview on an opposition-affiliated radio, Ghazwan Qronfol, the head of the Free Syrian Lawyers Assembly, said, for instance, that members of the armed opposition groups had stolen hundreds of passenger cars and looted the private homes of many residents of the city, in particular those considered wealthy.

Other activists have also reported that public assets stolen have included the warehouse of the agricultural directorate of the city as well as the equipment of the Olive Bureau, the body in charge of monitoring the country’s olive sector and that is affiliated to the Ministry of Agriculture.

Also, machinery and equipment at the Idlib Spinning Plant, a large factory employing thousands of people, are reported to have been stolen.

Other parts of northern Syria that were taken over by opposition groups in the last three years have already been largely victim of chaos, theft and looting. Aleppo’s city, for instance, has seen the looting of hundreds of its plants.

However, many had hoped that Idlib would not face the same fate because of warnings by civil society groups and statements by rebel leaders that the same mistakes would not be repeated.

The chaos engulfing the city, however, raises again the case of the incapacity of the opposition to administer areas that fall outside the control of the regime.

The Syrian regime lost Idlib at the end of March after only a few days after the beginning of an offensive led by the Nusra Front and other radical Islamist groups.

At the time, the issue of how the city would be administered was raised and the National Coalition, the main non-military grouping of the opposition had asked rebel groups to protect private and public properties, to preserve the state’s institutions and ensure that they continued operating normally “to prove to the world that Syrians are capable of managing their country properly.”

While activists are making their anger increasingly heard on social media, there haven’t been yet reports of an opposition on the ground to the behaviour of the armed groups.

In addition to the prevailing lawlessness, the city faced a systematic bombing from the Syrian air force as soon as it fell outside the hands of the regime.

In a scenario that is reminiscent of many similar events in the last few years, the actions of the regime and of armed rebel groups have combined to make life unsustainable in the so-called “liberated” areas.

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SANDRO LOEWE said:

I was inside the Daraa Court of Justice one week before the start of the revolution. The feeling of justice was near zero by that time. I was stolen 10.000 USD by the syrian ¨legal¨ system and when it seemed I could win the cause the war broke out and the Daraa Court set on fire.

I thank the fuxxxer Assad for all the dignity, justice and richness we lost during the last 4 years.

I support the idea of sentencing serial killer Al Assad II to death by the same method Gaddafi was finished.

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July 9th, 2015, 1:46 pm

 

ALAN said:

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تمكن قراصنة من الوصول الى أجهزة كومبيوتر تعود الى موظفين أمنيين في كيان العدو الإسرائيلي، بينهم أحد العاملين في مكتب متصل برئيس الحكومة بنيامين نتنياهو، وهو منذر الصفدي المشهور بـ«مندي الصفدي»، أبرز الناشطين في الملف السوري. عملية قرصنة كمبيوتر الصفدي وهاتفه والتنصّت عليه جرت على مدى أشهر وأدّت إلى فضح أسماء شخصيات لبنانية وسورية متورّطة في التعامل مع العدو الإسرائيلي في الملف السوري وغيره.
وقد نجح المقرصنون في نسخ ملفات ومحادثات بأكملها، والحصول على أرقام هواتف وعناوين ووثائق سرية تتعلّق بالتنسيق بين شخصيات سورية معارضة للنظام السوري وموالية له، وأخرى لبنانية مع الإسرائيليين للحصول على معلومات عن مواقع ومعطيات عن شخصيات في حزب الله. وكشفت الملفات محاولة «مندي» تجنيد عملاء لبنانيين وسوريين، وتنسيقه لإدخال السلاح الى مجموعات معارضة، وأحياناً دس شرائح تحديد مواقع فيها لقصفها لاحقاً من قبل قوات التحالف. كما فضحت علاقة تربط أحد أمراء «الدولة الإسلامية» مع العدو الإسرائيلي.
يكشف هذا الملف، الذي حصلت «الأخبار» على نسخة منه، عن جانب من الدور الإسرائيلي. وسنعرضه على حلقات. وقد عمدنا الى إزالة أسماء أشخاص، خشية أن تؤدي الى تعريض حياة أشخاص أبرياء للخطر.

رضوان مرتضى
قد يكون مندي الصفدي، ابن بلدة مجدل شمس السورية في الجولان المحتل، «أقرب السوريين» الى رئيس وزراء العدو الإسرائيلي بنيامين نتنياهو. إذ يشغل منصب مدير في مكتب نتنياهو، ويعمل تحديداً في شعبة تكنولوجيا المعلومات والخدمات، إضافة إلى عمله في الكنيست الإسرائيلي.

مندي، المولود عام ١٩٦٩ (اسمه الحقيقي منذر)، يعرف بـ«أبو ارسلان»، وهو ناشط سياسي واستخباري ويعمل في تجارة السلاح، ويمتلك العديد من الشركات التجارية في عدد من الدول، ويرأس جمعية «الدروز من أجل إسرائيل». وهو صديق مقرّب من رجل اليمين المتطرّف باروخ مارزل الذي يحتفل سنوياً بمجزرة الحرم الإبراهيمي في الخليل التي راح ضحيتها ٢٩ مصلياً فلسطينياً عام ١٩٩٤. وقد كُلِّف من جهات أمنية إسرائيلية بمتابعة ملف مجموعات المعارضة المسلّحة في سوريا، ما أدى الى ارتباطه بعلاقات واسعة بالاستخبارات التركية وبمختلف أطياف المعارضة السورية، وبضباط منشقّين وآخرين لا يزالون في صفوف قوات النظام.

اسرائيل ترتب صفقات التسلح للمعارضين في براغ بتمويل قطري وسعودي
وله تواصل مع قيادات في «جبهة النصرة» و«الدولة الإسلامية»، كما تربطه علاقات «صداقة» وعمل أمني بإحدى الشخصيات السياسية اللبنانية وبمغتربين لبنانيين. وتجدر الإشارة إلى أن زوجة أحد الرتباء في حرس مجلس النواب اللبناني تم توقيفها بعدما جنّدها «أبو ارسلان» عبر الفايسبوك. وهو يستخدم الرقم التركي: 905366053010.
الأرشيف الشخصي للصفدي يعطي فكرة عملانية عن كيفية تعامل العدو مع الساحة السورية منذ انفجار الأزمة. إذ يكشف علاقات تجمعه بشخصيات سورية ولبنانية، مدنية وعسكرية، مقيمة في لبنان وسوريا وفي عواصم قريبة وبعيدة، ويتضمن محادثات «سكايب»، ورسائل بريد إلكتروني، واتصالات ومحادثات هاتفية عبر تطبيقات عدة، أبرزها «viber»، فضلاً عن ملفات تتضمن خططاً عسكرية و«طلبيات» أسلحة نوعية ومقاطع فيديو، اضافة الى مغامراته الشخصية والجنسية. وتظهر الوثائق والمستندات والرسائل المقرصنة حجم الجهد والنشاط الاستثنائي الذي يبذله الصفدي الناشط في الملف السوري على مختلف الصعد الأمنية والسياسية والإغاثية وحتى الإعلامية.
الطريق عبر «داعش» العراق

بدأت القصة عندما تمكن «هاكر» محترف، قبل أشهر، من زرع «جاسوس إلكتروني» (Trojan) في الكمبيوتر الشخصي لأحد قادة تنظيم «الدولة الإسلامية» في العراق. وقد تبيّن، بالصدفة، وجود تواصل بين هذا القيادي والصفدي يطلع فيه الأول الثاني على تفاصيل الحياة السورية بتشعباتها. وعبر تقنية معينة، نجح الـ «هاكر» في إيصال «جاسوسه الإلكتروني» إلى الكومبيوتر الشخصي للصفدي. وترافق ذلك مع ورود معطيات مقرصنة من حاسوب «الشيخ عمر الحجي» (المعروف بـ«عمر غرباء»)، وهو أحد شرعيي «الدولة» في ولاية الرقة، من بينها رسالة من قبل شخص يدعى «شيخ أحمد» ينقل فيها عن «عبد الغفور الحاضري»، من مدينة حلب، معلومات حول شبكة استخبارية في تركيا يديرها الضابط الصهيوني «موتي كوهان»، ويعاونه مندوب أمني إسرائيلي درزي اسمه «مندي الصفدي»، لتجنيد العملاء، وأغلبهم من النساء، وعقد اجتماعات سرية في تركيا والأردن تضم ضباطاً صهاينة وأميركيين.

أسلحة من براغ

تكشف إحدى المراسلات عن «صفقة أسلحة» حاول العدو الإسرائيلي عقدها في العاصمة التشيكية براغ لحساب كل من «الجبهة الإسلامية» و«أجناد الشام» و«جبهة النصرة». غير أن الفصائل المسلّحة، وتحديداً «جبهة النصرة»، رفضت إتمام هذه الصفقة خارج الأراضي السورية، طالبةً أن تكون عن طريق المجالس العسكرية لتتمكن من التحكم بالسعر.

«الحر» يسيطر على معابر سرية في سفوح جبل الشيخ «خدمة لمصالح إسرائيل»
وتُظهر المراسلة اتفاقاً بين جهة إسرائيلية وأخرى سورية لإتمام الصفقة عبر الأراضي الأردنية ــ السورية، مع إصرار مندي على التفاوض على التفاصيل في مدينة براغ حيث مقر إحدى شركاته، وحيث تجري معظم الصفقات.
وتكشف ملفات «مندي» أن التمويل الرئيسي للمجموعات السورية المسلحة يأتي من قطر ومن مانحين سعوديين، وأن صلة الوصل بين «جبهة النصرة» وقطر في كل ما يتعلق بالتمويل هو السوري محمد الخطيب المعروف بـ «كلينتون»، وأن الأخير تربطه بـ «مندي» علاقات وثيقة. وتظهر «داتا الفايبر» أن السوري «أسامة الحر» يُنسّق مع العدو الإسرائيلي في صفقات التسلح في شمال سوريا، كما أن سيدة تُعرف باسم «ام عباد» تنشط على خط الصفقات. وتشير الداتا الى وجود تجار حكوميين (من دول عدة) يستقدمون أسلحة من مراكز تدريب تعذر تحديدها، ويحملون جوازات سفر أوروبية لسهولة التحرّك وإدخال البضاعة الى الأردن بشكل قانوني. وأظهر «تعقب» حاسوب مندي متابعته لنشاطات «لواء الفرقان ــ الجيش الحر»، وهي مجموعة «تتولى السيطرة على المعابر السرية قرب قلعة جندل في سفوح جبل الشيخ وذلك خدمة لمصالح إسرائيل»، بحسب مندي نفسه. وفي مراسلة أخرى، أبلغ أحد عملاء «مندي» في الجماعات المسلحة عن قصف قوات التحالف مقرات جماعة «لواء المعتز بالله» بعد تحديدها عبر شرائح إلكترونية زرعت داخل بضائع أرسلت إليهم عبر أحد التجار. وفي الداتا أيضاً محادثات حول التنسيق بين جهات سعودية وأخرى أردنية لعقد صفقات تسلحية في سوريا، مع إشارة الى وجود مندوبين إسرائيليين في مدينة درعا وداخل الأراضي الأردنية للعمل في السياق نفسه. ووُجد في أحد الملفات عقد لصفقة سلاح أميركي لمصلحة إحدى المجموعات المسلّحة، و«طلبية» صواريخ «تاو» و»ستينغر» مضادة للطائرات والدبابات ومناظير ليلية وحرارية وعد «مندي» بتأمينها من إسرائيل. كما عُثر على مسوّدة لـ»إنشاء جيش لإسقاط النظام السوري».
http://www.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/20150709/doc20150709_2.pdf

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July 9th, 2015, 3:33 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

I mentioned before and said the southern front is composed of different group Rebels than the northern groups, differ ideology , their support is different and their motivation is different, they are against ISIS , they are not equipped by good arms, financially also are somewhat related to KSA and approved by Jordan , their leaders are army trained, while the northern Rebels are mostly self trained, and their motivation is to get rid of Assad and this criminal regime and those criminals who support him,

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July 9th, 2015, 4:34 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I think the second piece about the looting in Idleb after it was “liberated” is more
important that the main entry. In every area in Syria where armed rebels won three
things happen:
1. Looting and human rights violations
2. Domination by Nusra et al ( or isis)
3. Bombardment of “liberated” areas by regime forces and even the U.S.
You are chasing a mirage my friends, stop this war and stop hallucinating.
Only 60 rebels were trained to ” fight isis” according to SOD !!
Most weapons given to rebels were taken by Nusra or isis in one way or the other and most money was stolen while people in areas under rebels control were struggling to
find food.

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July 9th, 2015, 10:49 pm

 
 

SimoHurtta said:

115. OMEN said:

Please meet Muhammad, Raghad and Shahd. Assad killed them by chlorine attack in Dier Ezzor, Syria.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbViVAUwAAqNOF.jpg

Well Omen who told you that these kids lived and died in Deir ez-Zor? You even misspelled the name of that city showing your level of skills in “local knowledge”. What is the source and which were the exact details of the event?

The most primitive and despicable kind of propaganda is using pictures of young children in pure and deliberate propaganda. Anybody could pick a picture of some very moving children and use it in a totally imaginary propagandist horror story. For example: “Please meet A, B and C, who were slaughtered in X by Y using a American made bomb”. I picked completely randomly from internet a picture of three beautiful Middle Eastern young children for my “example”, but then I begin to think what if the parents see their children in this example and what kind of feelings it would create, so I left the picture link away. Anyway it shows how easy it is to create an equal “message” which you created in previous threads comment number 115.

Omen if your story is true it deserves to be told with all needed details and assurity that it really happened exactly as it is told. The reality Omen is, that western Christian people like you and me with no real local connections and ability to check the stories from different sources, which in this case would demand being able to understand Arabic, can not guaranty that these kind of stories are true. We do not know are the children in your picture Syrians, are they really killed by “Assad” or anybody else, were they killed by chlorine etc. By spreading this kind of “stories” you Omen have only two options:
A) you repeat what is told to you without knowing is there a fragment of truth in the story
B) you invent the story yourself.

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July 10th, 2015, 4:04 am

 

Observer said:

Syria report is not an independent news. It is run by the pro regime business clan.

And as if Syria was not being systematically looted for at least the last 15 years if not more.

Go have a popsicle

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July 10th, 2015, 7:37 am

 

Sami said:

A lot more than 15 years Observer. The so called “corrective movement” was nothing but a mass looting of Syria entirely…

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July 10th, 2015, 9:29 am

 

omen said:

you can’t just point to the symptom without mapping out the road that got them there. reality is opposition are literally starved of support. the regime has been on a rampage burning down crops. even syrian civil defense/white helmet/first responders who have dug up & rescued thousands of civilians out from under the rubble – are not getting paid.

these heroes are saving lives and western countries refuse to pick up their salaries. what is the message sent here? obama & rest of the civilized world prefer syrians be entombed under rock instead. somehow obama’s indifference to mass carnage merits a free pass.

do critics expect the opposition to subsist on air?

saudis early on promised to support the opposition with salaries. rebels resorting to looting is indication they still aren’t getting paid. last i recall, obama cut off non-lethal aid. UN food aid goes directly into regime hands. even refugee aid distributed in neighboring countries – lebanese officials steal outright. these scandals exposing corruption and greed of officials somehow fail to garner attention nor go viral. doesn’t whet the appetite of apologists either. seems to be a certain class of people who only get off on blaming the poor.

there are two ways of doing things.

– if western countries offered material, money, counseling on top of a sorely needed NFZ – that would provide support for an orderly transition.

– time and time again, obama opts instead to turn his back on the opposition, leave them high & dry – which translates as a vote for chaos over order.

obama refuses to even take out the tarmacs that enable iran to keep supplying this genocide machine.

the preferred sport instead is to watch the little guy get kicked in the gut and be scandalized that he crumbled to the ground.

it is not fair to frame rebels as a bunch of hooligans undeserving of support when their desperation is a very symptom of lack of support!

fortunately, there is balance here with the description ms. sosnowski sketches out of opposition efforts at self organization. clearly not hooligan behavior.

would self righteous, moralizing, assad apologists who love to stomp on rebels be able to withstand all of what the opposition has been forced to endure without getting their own halos dirty?

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July 10th, 2015, 11:57 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

This weeked the new US/IRAN MIDDLE EAST AXIS AGREEMENT will be anounced.

From now on IRAN will be the regional power that will manage US issues and will have permission from United States administration
to freely act and conquest while enjoying the monopoly on the use of force. All those who oppose Iran will be called terrorists in the mass media and Iran will be a very lovely, rich, talented, modernizing, reformist and human rights lovely country.

The sad point is that in Iran, like in Cuba and Syria, all those who lost their country, their properties, their dreams for the fight of freedom and human rights will be fuxxxed by Obama.

Israel will celebrate a new druze country or region, and will also enjoy a kurdish country in the north of Syria. It is unlikely that ISIL will create something like an state. It could be invaded by Turkey, but ASSAD will survive as the president of DAMASCUS-HOMS-TARTUS-LATTAKIA.

Obama is the new master of the mountain that has reactivated the chia sects in Syria by promoting ISIL and destroying the revolution, giving free way to an agreement with Iran. Once the agreement is done then Iran and Obama will disconect ISIL and execute the partition of Syria.

This is what I think will happen.

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July 10th, 2015, 2:42 pm

 

ALAN said:

First Obama lets slip the US is training “ISIL”, now Germany is providing air cover for ISIL by shooting down Syrian Air Force jets.
It is now clear, it is Germany shooting at Syrian planes and helicopters attacking ISIS positions. Why are the Germans in Turkey? What could their mission possibly be. There is little doubt that Germany is providing an air umbrella over al Nusra and ISIS forces. Who has the power to make them do that?
The German Patriot air and missile defense systems, stationed at the Turkish border with Syria, have carried out “unexplained” commands allegedly issued by unknown hackers, according to a German media report since rebutted by the government.
The US-produced missile systems, belonging to the German Bundeswehr armed forces and based on the territory of NATO ally Turkey since 2013, have been compromised, according to a report in the German Behörden Spiegel.
As a result, the systems, consisting of six launchers and two radars, reportedly carried out“unexplained” orders, the publication claimed, providing no further information on the kind of commands.
A spokesman for the Federal Department of Defense however rebutted the report on Tuesday, saying that “there is no base data” for an extremely improbable attack, Die Welt newspaper reported……..

http://investmentwatchblog.com/first-obama-lets-slip-the-us-is-training-isil-now-germany-is-providing-air-cover-for-isil-by-shooting-down-syrian-air-force-jets/

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July 10th, 2015, 2:52 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

This is what I think will happen.

Sandro Loewe,

The course correction will come once Obama leaves office. This “nuclear agreement” is just a nice way for rich people to get more frequent flyer miles. It won’t make the world safer; it will be more violent. BB is right. But don’t worry, Israel will do what the rest of the world is afraid to do.

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July 10th, 2015, 3:52 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

AKBAR,

I hope and I pray from the deepest of my heart that Israel does the job the kenyan shite president of the US does not want to do in Iran.

Things have got to the point that only an israelí-arab alliance (Israel, Jordan, SA, Kuwait and UAE, maybe Turkey too) can stop the course of facts driven by Obama.

And in this way I am afraid Israel is not being fair because they are still supporting the survival of Assad and Hezballah. If Israel had had the will to bomb Assad HQ in 2011 the syrian people would have changed this view that Israel remains the best friend of Assad and Iran.

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July 10th, 2015, 4:31 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Obama has reached a final deal with Iran. News coming soon.

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July 10th, 2015, 4:41 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

If Israel had had the will to bomb Assad HQ in 2011 the syrian people would have changed this view that Israel remains the best friend of Assad and Iran.

Sandro Loewe,

You have a point. I was hoping the US was going to drop missiles on Assad when he addressed his yes – men at a meeting of the Baathist “government”.

So it seems eveyone wants somebody else to do the dirty work. If Israel were to do this then Israel gets blamed for aiding isis or choosing sides.

In the end, Israel reacts to “red-lines”. Assad’s survival is not an Israeli red-line. Unfortunately. And what guarantee is there that things improve for Israel when Assad is gone?

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July 10th, 2015, 4:58 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Israel gets beneffit of the sunna-shia war promoted by Iran and the CIA. The ethnic cleansing of Syria committed by Iran and its toy ISIL will empty Syria and leave it to the appetite of next conqueror, be it Iran, Turkey or Israel, or maybe all at once, every one taking a portion of Syria.

Israel has no moral commitment with the syrian people but letting it be massacred under a dictatorship never elected by syrians is not the best way to promote safe and fair relations with the future syrian populations in the after Assad. Be sure about it.

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July 10th, 2015, 6:07 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Israel gets beneffit of the sunna-shia war promoted by Iran and the CIA.

SL,

Any time you’re not at war, you benefit. The iranian mullahs, Saddam, HA, Assad want to free Palestine, but always wind up killing muslims in the “process”. Believe me, I’d rather see everyone at peace. But as you know, nothing is predictable and war can break out at any time.

Like you, I think there should be a united jewish – arab summit to discuss the Iranian threat and what to do about it. Israel needs arab friends and, hopefullt, there is something Israel can offer the arabs.

I disagree about CIA influence. The CIA doesn’t have a clue. My guess is, that individual Saudis are funding isis to thwart Assad and the Iranian axis. This is how al-Queda worked.

The ethnic cleansing of Syria committed by Iran and its toy ISIL will empty Syria and leave it to the appetite of next conqueror, be it Iran, Turkey or Israel, or maybe all at once, every one taking a portion of Syria.

Vacuums in the ME close quickly. Somebody fills the void before the blink of an eye. Rest assured Israel stays at the present quneitra border. The borders of Syria should stay where they are, imho. It is internationally recognized.

Israel has no moral commitment with the syrian people but letting it be massacred under a dictatorship never elected by syrians is not the best way to promote safe and fair relations with the future syrian populations in the after Assad. Be sure about it.j

SL,

My thoughts and prayers are with the innocent people of syria, who have never known peace or freedom. I don’t know what Syrians give a hoot about Israel, and this doesn’t bother me.

Like I said, I would prefer a way to come together to help us bridge these misunderstandings among our semitic peoples, so we are not forced to watch so many people suffer.

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July 10th, 2015, 8:16 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Hassan Nasrallah said the road to Jerusalem,Al Quds, is through Zabadani
This is so stupid, he will never reach AlQuds, he will reach Hell and reside there for ever, he is so deranged, he is not defending Al Albeitال البيت، he is defending Al Assadال الاسد
Someone has to teach him the right way, he is another person who distorts fact and history

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July 10th, 2015, 9:05 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I think there will be an agreement with Iran and potentially a grand bargain that
involves KSA and Turkey.
The nervous parties include Israel and people who support armed rebels.
The war in Syria needs to stop and Assad must be forced to accept elections and a Taef type solution which needs to ensure the return of refugees and an inclusive government. It is best if Assad resigns eventually and non Nusra and Isis Syrian rebels get accommodations so they stop fighting
but evade prosecution.
Syria will be partitioned politically to keep the big powers happy.
Easier said than done but people have to choose between a deal they do not like or keep the war raging, that deal requires a compromise which ends the illusion that one side can dominate.

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July 10th, 2015, 9:39 pm

 
 

omen said:

12. Akbar Palace said: The course correction will come once Obama leaves office.

syrians been strung along enough by the west in the last four years. first it was fake pronouncements of a quick fall (raising false hope,) then fake friends of syria, then wait after obama re-election, then wait after geneva, then wait after erdogan election – always wait wait wait to no avail. and they weren’t buying it. syrians dying in droves dont have time to waste with false promises of false dawns. (i was going to say thankfully rebels on the ground seized their own initiative but even there, they are hampered by outside powers interference, halting ongoing operations by drying up support!)

aside from a lot of hot air, there is no indication another admin would act any differently. the ground work that cleared the path towards rapprochement with iran has been Decades in the making, facilitated by both parties.

But don’t worry, Israel will do what the rest of the world is afraid to do.

i wish i could hang hope on this. but remember, obama promised to shoot down any israeli jets who threatened to bomb iran.

whether a serious threat from obama or posturing meant curry favor with the ayatollah to seal the deal – who knows?

theatre aside, there are plenty of signs israel is covertly colluding with iran in their common interest to dominate and eviscerate arabs. connect the dots. i pointed to plenty earlier. there are so many obama foreign policy anomalies that are a break from tradition, that it’s hard for me believe obama would be able to get away with unless he got a buy-in from israelis. everything from cia forwarding intel to hezbollah (!?) to US coordinating with iran proxy/shia death squads in iraq. outrageous unorthodoxy israel is strangely silent about. silence is consent.

assad remains in power today because netanyahu’s scheming warded off an obama strike. how can this not be read as a gift to iran?

israeli generals have even held closed door meetings with iranian agents in vienna.

no longer credible for israel to posture iran as an existential threat when she is holding secret meetings with the enemy.

while some things strike me as obvious, this is hard for you to acknowledge because you are hampered by identity politics. you digest criticism of israel as a personal affront. that’s ok. i dont say this to insult. we all have our soft spots. i just wonder if you aware of your bias.

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July 10th, 2015, 11:51 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

You’re doing a great job beating me and Israel up, and if it makes you feel better, then by all means. As a pro-democracy arab like you, I would be just as frustrated.

But what arabs ever helped Israel? So why do you expect Israel to fight with the FSA?

Have the FSA contacted the GOI and ask for help? Why not?

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July 11th, 2015, 12:47 am

 

omen said:

i always feel stupid when i labor to sweat out a response only to turn around to see a superior intellect bare naked critics’ cheap shot (rebels looting) with a deft slice.

@DrThrax123: Most looting happened against former government held facilities and prominent regime supporters who abandoned their belongings. It’s called Ghanimah.

zorro was here.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:14 am

 

omen said:

akbar, i appreciated your earlier indulgence. i dont fault you nor hold you responsible for israel’s madness. you must know i respect you, otherwise i wouldnt talk to you. im sorry you feel beat up but how else do i point out you habitually dismiss proof that implicates israel? there is always an excuse to dismiss damning evidence. nothing is ever up to snuff. i hope we can be cordial and still be frank in our arguments. we can agree to disagree.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:37 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

Fair enough. Israel hates Assad and his friends like you. I suppose Israel feels it’s hands are tied with no option better than the other. Personally, imo, they just can’t afford to take a side. Isis on the border may be worse. I really have no other explanation.

But if Israel had the opportunity to work with an arab ally, that could change and Israel could work together on a shared vision.

Regards.

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July 11th, 2015, 3:05 am

 

Observer said:

Ghufran are you following the news or what?

Didn’t you listen to the HA turbaned leader tell us that the road to Qods goes through Zabadani and Hassaka and Aleppo and Homs and Soueida?

I noted he did not mention Raqqa did you not?

You are asking for the war to end and yet the very core of the regime and the very core of the supporters of the regime wish for the 13% of the population to continue to subjugate the 74% of the population and keep the rest in limbo.

I do not on which planet you reside; but come down and smell the roses: this regime is pure sectarian hatred and violence to its very fiber and unfortunately convinced the sect that this is the only way to go about treating others.

The hatred is so deep that the very idea of living with another human being is completely alien to their way of thinking.

Please you are more intelligent than continuing these senseless unrealistic posts.

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July 11th, 2015, 7:28 am

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Justice must be served, justice is the best way to prevent the creation of extremists, and cut the road for terrorism, when people find that justice is not served they think that violence pays, so they become violent,
Justice is not revenge, revenge hurts innocent people, justice prosecute criminals
Why would anyone calls for Assad to evade prosecution? Obviously he considers Assad someone special , above human , someone who reveres Assad
Assad and the criminals who defend and protect Assad, and call for Assad to avoid prosecution, they do not believe in justice, they believe in criminality, they are to be condemned
Assad and the criminals who defend Assad they are criminals, the same as ISIS, they both are two sides for the same coin , coin of murder and criminality, fighting one must includes.fighting the other, US is wrong in fighting ISIS alone , U S must fight Assad and his loyal criminals
The persistence of Assad and his supporters in killing Syrians raping women, torturing till death , having prisons like concentration camps, destroying Syria for five years, and then call for evading justice is just outrageous and disgusting, these people are not honest, bent on criminality, they do not believe in freedom and human dignity, they serve our enemy more than our enemy asks for.

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July 11th, 2015, 9:15 am

 

ALAN said:

America has done an excellent job of almost completely isolating itself from the world. Lets face it, its ‘friends’ in Europe are mere satraps, those russian sanctions have worked in complete reverse order
The record is not good. It took over five decades for Washington to start normalizing its relations with heavily sanctioned Cuba. Washington has already alienated the overwhelming majority of 1.7 billion followers of Islam. It has lost most of 1.2 billion Indians – as India joins the SCO. It has lost 1.3 billion Chinese with the pathetic “pivot to Asia” and the non-stop South China Sea saber rattling. It has totally lost Russia, the absolute majority of Latin America and the absolute majority of the Global South.
US is on the fastest and longest losing streak in human history.

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July 11th, 2015, 10:05 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

US is wrong in fighting ISIS alone , U S must fight Assad and his loyal criminals

Majedkhaldoun,

Yes I agree. It took a year for isis to reach Syria. If we had remained in Iraq, the US could have easily supported the opposition and dragged Assad off to jail. But, of course, this wasn’t Obama’s plan.

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July 11th, 2015, 1:33 pm

 

omen said:

for weeks now, if not longer, arsonist mullahs been deflecting responsibility by blaming daesh on the U.S. now an obama slip admits to “training ISIL”. of all the mistakes in the world, he makes this one. that’s pretty remarkable. honest gaffe? or yet more shameless appeasement meant to flatter the ayatollah’s ego?

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July 11th, 2015, 2:03 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Aleppo offensive yielded little benefits to the rebels and the same is true for southern Syria.
Most advances made by anti regime rebels were by nusra, Isis and their step kids, that makes supporters of rebels cheer leaders for terrorist groups, I am not in denial, I know how dirty this war is and how difficult a solution will be but the answer to the regime brutality is not nusra and Isis, and that is why the rhetoric of thawrajiyyeh is totally irrelevant and redundant. Anti regime armed forces had 4 years and 4 months to come up with an alternative to the regime and they failed miserably, even if you supported rebels at the beginning you have to admit that your support today is not justified. As for sectarianism, rebels and their supporters have lost the moral high ground a long time ago, there are no free or alive Shia or alawites in any area controlled by rebels while millions of Sunni live ,and continue to emigrate, to areas under the ” sectarian” regime control.
The comments by rebel supporters today are a form of black comedy.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:28 pm

 

Ghufran said:

According to Muhammad Abu Qasem (from Zabadani), there is only 24 hours left to reach a cease fire, he said that over 80% of the town is destroyed or severely damaged, he also denied that nusra and Isis have any presence there but estimated that 25% of fighters are from Ahrar alsham and that fighters in Zabadani will join nusra if the bombing continues.
The army does not want any heavy weapons in Zabadani and has agreed to allow those who want to leave to do so. Qasem said that there is stiif resistance by rebels but people have no access to food, sugar is being sold at $ 5 a kg now. Info in this post was provided by mr Abu Qasem.

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July 11th, 2015, 2:55 pm

 

ALAN said:

Asghar
Care about how to drag the criminal killer Netanyahu to the prison and perhaps to the gallows with the rest of the military and do not cram your nose in syrian tambourine.

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July 11th, 2015, 4:17 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Care about how to drag the criminal killer Netanyahu to the prison and perhaps to the gallows….

Ahlan,

Life isn’t fair of course, so we’ve been waiting many years for you and your Resistance Pro™ heroes to bring “justice” to the Middle East and drag BB to jail just like, for example, the US brought Saddam and Muamar to their untimely end.

Still waiting….

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July 11th, 2015, 9:10 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Aljazeera reported that A’maaq, Isis media outlet, posted pictures of its fighters inside Zabadani, that contradicts Abu Qasem assertion that Isis has no presence there !!

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July 11th, 2015, 11:24 pm

 

omen said:

beyond right & wrong: stories of justice and forgiveness

albert mason
psychiatrist, psychoanalyst

one allows one group of human beings to annihilate another group is just they find a way of dehumanizing them. now, you do that by taking aspects of yourself that you hate, that you feel are bad, despicable and you want to disown them and you put them into the victim. then the victim is experienced as a disease or a scourge and can be annihilated.

you also, in the same way, extract anything good from them and attribute that to yourself. “i’m civilized and you’re a savage.”

for forgiveness to occur, the process must be put into reverse, sort of speak, because where the victim has to see the perpetrator as not all bad or evil – and this can occur if they see that the perpetrator shows genuine remorse, guilt and takes real steps to repair or rebuild the damage they’ve done.

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July 12th, 2015, 2:36 am

 

Juergen said:

How refugee women put Euripides Women of Troy on stage:

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July 12th, 2015, 2:57 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

34. AKBAR PALACE said:

Care about how to drag the criminal killer Netanyahu to the prison and perhaps to the gallows….

Ahlan,

Life isn’t fair of course, so we’ve been waiting many years for you and your Resistance Pro™ heroes to bring “justice” to the Middle East and drag BB to jail just like, for example, the US brought Saddam and Muamar to their untimely end.

Still waiting….

Akbar you as a US and Israeli citizen have no reasons to brag, not for either of your home countries. Do you seriously claim that USA and Israel provide “justice” to the world and Middle East especially when they can’t even provide and justice to their own citizen. USA is a two party republic (not democracy) for (some) white people, Israel is a racist militaristic theocracy.

Israel supports anybody who is against Arabs and Muslims, plus anybody else with whom they can make money. That includes Idi Amin, the generals of Burma, Apartheid Clowns in South Africa, black Sudanese, Kurds, Iranians, Eritreans (replaced now with Ethiopians), Diamond warlords with their child soldiers etc.

Also USA supports any “character” who can guarantee USA control, weapon markets, raw materials and cheap labor.

List of authoritarian regimes supported by the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

Latin America

Porfirio Díaz (Mexico) (1876–1911)[11][12]
Institutional Revolutionary Party (Mexico) (1929–2000)[13]
Juan Vicente Gómez (Venezuela) (1908–35)[14]
Manuel Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala) (1898–1920)[15]
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala) (1931–44)[15]
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba) (1952–59)[16]
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) (1930–61)[17]
Efraín Ríos Montt and the rest of the military junta in Guatemala (1954–86)[18][19]
Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador (1979–82)[20]
Hugo Banzer (Bolivia) (1971–78)[21]
National Reorganization Process (Argentina) (1976–83)[22]
Brazilian military government (1964–85)[10][23]
Somoza family (Nicaragua) (1936–79)[24]
François Duvalier (Haiti) (1957–71)[25]
Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti) (1971–86)[25]
Omar Torrijos (Panama) (1968–81)[26]
Manuel Noriega (Panama) (1983–89)[26]
Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay) (1954–89)[27][28]
Augusto Pinochet (Chile) (1973–90)[29]

Asia
Syngman Rhee (South Korea) (1948–60)[32]
Ayub Khan (Pakistan) (1958–69)
Nursultan Nazarbayev (Kazakhstan) (1991-present)[33] [34]
Park Chung-hee (South Korea) (1961–79)[35]
Chun Doo-Hwan (South Korea) (1979–88)[36]
Ngo Dinh Diem (South Vietnam) (1955–63)[37]
Lon Nol (Cambodia) (1970–75)[38]
Yahya Khan (Pakistan) (1969–71)[39][40]
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (Iran) (1941–79)[41][42]
Ferdinand Marcos (Philippines) (1965–86)[43][44]
Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (Pakistan) (1978–88)[45]
Saddam Hussein (Iraq) (1982–90)[46]
Suharto (Indonesia) (1967–98)[47]
Truong Tan Sang (Vietnam) (2011–present)[48]
Prayut Chan-o-cha (Thailand (2014-present) [49][50]
Islam Karimov (Uzbekistan) (1990–present)[48]
Pervez Musharraf (Pakistan) (1999–2008)[51]
Ali Abdullah Saleh (Yemen) (1990–2012)[52]
Emomalii Rahmon (Tajikistan) (1994–present)[48]
Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow (Turkmenistan) (2006–present)[48]
House of Saud (Saudi Arabia) (1945–present)[53][54][55]
Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa (Bahrain) (1999–present)[56]
Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani (Qatar) (1995–2013)[57]
Qaboos bin Said al Said (Oman) (1970–present)[55]
Hashemite Dynasty (Jordan) (1951–present)[58] [59] [60]
United Arab Emirates (1994–present)[61]

Africa
King Hassan II, predecessors and successors (Morocco) (1777–present)[62]
Gaafar Nimeiry (Sudan) (1969–85)[63]
Samuel Doe (Liberia) (1980–90)[64]
Meles Zenawi (Ethiopia) (1991–2012)[48]
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo (Equatorial Guinea) (1979–present)[48]
Mobutu Sese Seko (Democratic Republic of the Congo) (1965–97)[65][66]
Hissène Habré (Chad) (1982–90)[67]
Hosni Mubarak (Egypt) (1981–2011)[68]
Abdel Fattah el-Sisi,(Egypt) (2014-ongoing). [69] [70]
Idriss Déby (Chad) (1990–present)[71]
Yoweri Museveni (Uganda) (1986–present)[72]
Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (Tunisia) (1987–2011) [73]
Paul Kagame (Rwanda) (2000–present)[74]

Europe
Francisco Franco (Francoist Spain) (1936–75)[75]
António de Oliveira Salazar (Portugal) (1932–74)[76]
Joseph Stalin (Soviet Union) (1941–1945)[77]
Greek military junta (1967–74)[78]
Turkish military junta (Turkey) (1980–91)[79]
Josip Broz Tito (Yugoslavia) (1955-1981)[80]

Before Iraq invasion famous peace researchers estimated, that US wars, interventions, coups etc had caused the early death of some 15 million people since WW2. Do you really Akbar believe that this was done in the name of “democracy”, “justice”, “security”, “no terrorism” or “drug wars”? Surely you can say it was but so you can also say that God gave Israel to you and your religious clan about 3475 years ago. But saying doesn’t make those claims the truth.

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July 12th, 2015, 4:48 am

 

Juergen said:

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July 12th, 2015, 6:11 am

 

ALAN said:

Asghar, anti-Semite and anti Jewish – Zionist in general!
Here, how this esteemed cleric Jewish describe the Zionism vaunted by you
https://youtu.be/iwXh04DY2kk
.

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July 12th, 2015, 6:12 am

 
 

Tara said:

Akbar palace,

Resistance Pro™ !

BRILIANT ! This is what it really is. An industry using the Palestinian cause for ulterior motive. For Iran, it is to dominate the Middle East and to force the world to accept its sinister plan externally and to brainwash the masses internally. For the fat boy, it is for the Shias to dominate the politics in Lebanon and keep them militarized. For Batta, is to maintain his and his family’s ass on the seat.

Remember our gorgeous First Lady CNN interview concerned about Gazza’s children being starved. Few years later, she was ordering cereals in masses so her children’d taste buds do not get used to the Syrian cuisine while Syrian children are starved.

I honestly DO NOT believe in resistance any more. They all hide under the resistance to keep us oppressed.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:01 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

An industry using the Palestinian cause for ulterior motive.

Yes Tara,

The Palestinians have been used and abused by others for decades. Meanwhile, hate of joos seems to go hand-in-hand with the murder of many other people, not just joos.

Just ask Hitler. It’s pure evil.

Now that Iran will be getting the bomb, a lot of sunnis are concerned. I am as well.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:21 am

 

Tara said:

Akbar,

Those HA fighters (Samir Qintar) who can smash a skull of 4 yo Israeli girl and be celebrated by the surrounding culture as a national hero, can easily smash a skull of a 4 yo Syrian girl and Batta also celebrated as a national hero. This is ain’t resistance. This is pure evil.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:36 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Do you seriously claim that USA and Israel provide “justice” to the world and Middle East especially when they can’t even provide and justice to their own citizen.

Sim, you silly goose, I never claimed “…that USA and Israel provide ‘justice’…”. In fact, I stated life wasn’t fair.

All I pointed out was that I’ve been hearing for years the Resistance Pros™ are going to destroy Israel. Meanwhile, they’re destroying their own cities and their own people. I’m not sure if that bothers you or not, it certainly “bothers” those that are dying and their families.

It is already known the Iranians would have no qualms killing every single Palestinian if they could destroy Israel. Sounds like a form of fanatical Naziism to me.

As far as USA and Israeli “racism”. You believe what you want HaBB, all I know is that minorities (blacks included) are risking their lives to gain access to each of these countries.

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July 12th, 2015, 10:38 am

 

ALAN said:

/Meanwhile, hate of jews seems to go hand-in-hand with the murder of many other people, not just jews./
This is absurdity. No force on the earth has hatred towards the Jews more than Zionists. It’s evil scattered – The destruction of humanity.

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July 12th, 2015, 11:09 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

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Those HA fighters (Samir Qintar) who can smash a skull of 4 yo Israeli girl and be celebrated by the surrounding culture as a national hero, can easily smash a skull of a 4 yo Syrian girl and Batta also celebrated as a national hero. This is ain’t resistance. This is pure evil.

Tara,

Yes. I agree. Thanks. In a world that seems upside down, it’s nice to know there are good people out there such as yourself and numerous others on this website. It’s a relief.

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July 12th, 2015, 12:40 pm

 

omen said:

http://tonykaron.com/2010/08/12/why-are-the-israelis-telling-their-secret-iran-attack-plans-to-jeffrey-goldberg/

A dated column but still useful review. gives indication of who stands to profit from the coming arms race if the nuk deal goes thru.

discusses the long fabled Israeli strike on Iran (that I’d bet money isn’t going to happen). reviewing this in hindsight, especially in the aftermath of revelations Israel staged the deal that spared assad from an obama strike – reads like a prepped-ahead-of-time alibi to disguise israel’s uncharacteristic support for the west getting in bed with iran. netanyahu’s token protests aside, majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal set to turbo charge iran’s grip over the region.

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July 12th, 2015, 2:36 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

discusses the long fabled Israeli strike on Iran (that I’d bet money isn’t going to happen). reviewing this in hindsight, especially in the aftermath of revelations Israel staged the deal that spared assad from an obama strike – reads like a prepped-ahead-of-time alibi to disguise israel’s uncharacteristic support for the west getting in bed with iran. netanyahu’s token protests aside, majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal set to turbo charge iran’s grip over the region.

Omen,

That’s all we need is more conspiracy theory.

How do you know the “…majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal…” with Iran? The only pro-Iranians in the Knesset are Israeli-arab MKs like Hannan Zoabi. Chat with her Omen.

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July 12th, 2015, 3:00 pm

 

omen said:

How do you know the “…majority of Israel establishment supports this mad deal…”

it was in the papers.

https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+defense+oppose+netanyahu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

israeli establishment, including officials from defense and intel agencies, in an uproar against netanyahu, accused him of imperiling national security by opposing the deal! even now, on the eve of agreement, bibi is quiet as a mouse.

That’s all we need is more conspiracy theory.

feel free to disregard but i tried to point to israel as the actual architect in hammering the chem deal (thus sparing assad) before michael oren finally blew the whistle last month revealing the officially sanctioned cover story, giving credit to russia, turned out to be a fraud. you know, the same story you keep dodging from acknowledging, not wanting to digest implication.

sometimes when the dots line up, it’s not by accident.

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July 12th, 2015, 3:27 pm

 

ALAN said:

“We’re speeding up training of ISIL forces.” — President Obama

https://youtu.be/p2NkjNvwuaU

https://twitter.com/FearDept/status/620225870049882113

the training bases in Jordan and Turkey near Syrian borders could not be tolerated more! they could be inevitably attacked as revenge for Syrian people!
War maniac Obama! F**k U.

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July 12th, 2015, 3:48 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

Thanks for the link. These 180 EX-defense officials are all dovish labor and meretz party members. And what are they afraid of? Obama, not Iran. They also wanted BB to lose the election. But this is why the Left keeps losing elections. BB went ahead with his speech, detailing why this Iran deal sucks. Give BB credit Omen.

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July 12th, 2015, 3:56 pm

 

omen said:

That’s all we need is more conspiracy theory.

it’s government officials who cook up fake cover stories to disguise their true intentions who are the conspiracists.

51. ALAN said: War maniac massonic Obama!

if you were wondering where alan’s focus on masonry comes from —>

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/russia-today-has-an-illuminati-correspondent-really.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

Give BB credit Omen.

BB stands for barrel bombs. that’s what netanyahu now stands for when he colluded to keep assad in power.

a man who brags about this is a manipulator, not to be trusted:

I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in our way.

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July 12th, 2015, 4:05 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

BB stands for barrel bombs.

Omen,

Believe it or not, Israel is not a super power. Israel can barely protect herself. Israel supported Lebanese Christians and lost. Like I mentioned before, NO ONE is asking for Israel’s help. You are being very unfair in your statement I italicized above. BB and the VAST majority of Israelis never trusted or liked Assad or his associations with terrorists. Thank G-d a peace wasn’t signed with him.

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July 12th, 2015, 4:28 pm

 

omen said:

is netanyahu the only israeli opposed to the iran deal? where is the crowd of officials to counter the doves? *crickets*

Believe it or not, Israel is not a super power.

israel influential enough to keep assad in power.

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July 12th, 2015, 4:39 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

is netanyahu the only israeli opposed to the iran deal?

Omen,

Unless you have proof otherwise, I would say 90% of Israelis are against the deal. This is supported by BB’s excellent showing in the election, which occurred AFTER the speech.

where is the crowd of officials to counter the doves? *crickets*

Omen,

I will turn you on to some good conservative Israeli websites when I get back to the mainland. On my way to the airport.

israel influential enough to keep assad in power.

That’s right, Israel keeps all leaders in power, because Israel is infinite in power and influence. Sheeesh…

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July 12th, 2015, 5:20 pm

 

omen said:

sheesh michael oren, akbar, who blew the whistle on the chem deal/cover up/scandal that netanyahu took pains to hide his fingerprints because he knew he was in the wrong.

………………

syria comment FB pointed to this interview with yassin al haj saleh which counters ghufran’s argument.

http://en.radiozamaneh.com/articles/syria-iran-isis-and-the-future-of-social-justice-in-dialogue-with-yassin-al-haj-saleh/

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July 12th, 2015, 5:43 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

Re: Syrian chemical weapons

I see nothing that the GOI has to be embarrassed about.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/world/middleeast/israeli-helped-inspire-us-russia-weapons-deal-with-assad-memoir-says.html?referrer=&_r=0

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July 12th, 2015, 6:22 pm

 

omen said:

really? you objected to the story when syrian first posted it on this board. Sensitivity then but bravado now. Glad you were able to find the article. Every time I’d reference it, you were like “what are you talking about?” Even though I had posted relevant link 3-4 times.

The outcome of the deal gave Obama the pretext needed to backpedal on the threatened strike and to allowed Assad to remain in power. Thanks to bibi, bashar continues to this day to get away with gassing children. That’s nothing to be proud about.

Now back to the prospect whether netanyahu will bomb Iran – I forgot this earlier “chickenshit” scandal where the whitehouse bragged it got bibi to back off any attempt at a preemptive strike.

This is yet another cover story that stinks to high heaven. Probably cooked up just to save face to excuse Netanyahu doing jack shit to stop iran. In fact doing the opposite and acting to keep their proxy Assad in power.

There is no way this admin could bully netanyahu to act counter to Israeli national security. Yet this is what this whitehouse fiction expects people to swallow.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/the-crisis-in-us-israel-relations-is-officially-here/382031/

Odd how all these scandals rebound in iran’s favor. im sure that’s just a coincidence.

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July 12th, 2015, 7:07 pm

 

Ghufran said:

A deal with Iran is good for syria and the region. Positive engagement is better than sanctions and confrontation. Nobody should be surprised that Israel is not happy
about the deal, Israel will always prefer an environment of hostility and disorder in the region as an insurance policy against an inevitable compromise with the Palestinians.
Look at those who are against the deal and smile !!

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July 12th, 2015, 8:07 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

really? you objected to the story when syrian first posted it on this board.

Omen,

My memory is poor and I don’t remember what Syrian posted. I do my best when responding to specific issues, news articles, etc.

The issue we’ve been discussing today seems to be whether Israel’s request to rid chemical weapons from Syria in exchange for not bombing Assad was a bad decision by the GOI?

Do you agree with summation?

Now if BB didn’t make this request, I’m willing to bet BOTH Assad AND CW would still be around, because I don’t think Obama would have done much.

Soooo, I think a CW-FREE Syria is GOOD for Israel AND Syria. But as we can see, a lot of death and destruction can happen w/o CWs.
What we need are TROOPS ON THE GROUND.

Now, how do we manage that Omen?

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July 12th, 2015, 9:19 pm

 

Ghufran said:

It is now fairly possible that white smoke will come out in Vienna tomorrow.
رئيس منظمة الطاقة الذرية الإيرانية يعلن عن انتهاء المفاوضات التقنية حول برنامج إيران النووي، وأنه تتم حالياً مراجعة النصوص للتأكد من مطابقتها المفاوضات الشفهية، ويكشف عن دخول بلاده نادي الدول المستفيدة من التكنولوجيا النووية تجارياً.
Arabs as usual are wondering how and why
ياامة ضحكت من جهلهاالامم
خلو القائد الملهم و الثوره المباركه تنفعكم

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July 12th, 2015, 9:24 pm

 

omen said:

62. Akbar Palace said: The issue we’ve been discussing today seems to be whether Israel’s request to rid chemical weapons from Syria in exchange for not bombing Assad was a bad decision by the GOI? Do you agree with summation?

this whole “deal” was a charade, a con job, an exercise in PR to placate the gullible. a childish game of three-card monty. if netanyahu was on the up and up, he wouldn’t have needed to keep secret israel’s role in being its architect.

put this shoe on your own foot, akbar. hypothetically, if you were being gassed to death by a dictator, on top of being pounded with heavy ordnance every single day, would you be happy with a “deal” that allowed your mass murdering monster to remain in power in exchange for some token measure but incomplete stockpile surrendered?

NO, you would not. you would never accept this “deal” for yourself. would you have accepted Hitler remaining in power in exchange for his surrender of a mountain’s worth of zyklon b? No, of course not, so stop pretending this deal has merit.

i’m sorry to say but that you would be happy with such an unjust deal, a devil’s bargain you would never tolerate for yourself, betrays just how little you value arab blood.

in the end it’s assad who is the WMD more so than any chemical.

Now if BB didn’t make this request, I’m willing to bet BOTH Assad AND CW would still be around, because I don’t think Obama would have done much.

if obama had gone ahead with the planned strike, it would have taken out heavy regime armor at the very least.

claiming the strike wouldn’t have done much runs counter to the fear struck anticipating it. if netanyahu wasn’t worried about the prospect of assad finally being driven out, he wouldn’t have resorted to cooking up this desperate deal to to save bashar’s skin to begin with.

this “deal” didnt do squat to cut the CW threat as this WSJ article from couple of weeks ago attests.

U.S. intelligence agencies believe there is a strong possibility the Assad regime will use chemical weapons on a large scale as part of a last-ditch effort to protect key Syrian government strongholds […]

More worrying, U.S. officials said, would be the possibility that Mr. Assad could tap into a secret supply of sarin and VX.

full article can be found here.

also from charles lister:

It’s broadly ‘known’ in top-level circles that Assad didnt disclose c.25% of CWs. Well-connected Syrians also talk of secret VX stores.

netanyahu the liar cooked up a crooked deal which relied on assad the liar to self disclose his own stockpile. this is netanyahu who is guilty himself of using banned substances against civilians. if you cant see the absurdity of how this this is one rogue helping another rogue wash his hands, then i cant help you.

the farce of the above is akin to this cartoon:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJV53epWIAAVqAY.jpg

you still cant deny netanyahu’s “deal” benefited iran the most. when you boil it all down, bibi acted to preserve a khamenei asset.

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July 13th, 2015, 5:20 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

put this shoe on your own foot, akbar. hypothetically, if you were being gassed to death by a dictator, on top of being pounded with heavy ordnance every single day, would you be happy with a “deal” that allowed your mass murdering monster to remain in power in exchange for some token measure but incomplete stockpile surrendered?

NO, you would not. you would never accept this “deal” for yourself. would you have accepted Hitler remaining in power in exchange for his surrender of a mountain’s worth of zyklon b? No, of course not, so stop pretending this deal has merit.

i’m sorry to say but that you would be happy with such an unjust deal, a devil’s bargain you would never tolerate for yourself, betrays just how little you value arab blood.

in the end it’s assad who is the WMD more so than any chemical.

Now if BB didn’t make this request, I’m willing…

Omen,

Once again, you’ve zeroed – in on the problem: Benjamin Netanyahu! How original? How surprising! I will have to get you you’re own personal BB voodoo doll to meet ur needs.

BB signs a “secret deal” (everything Israel does is secret YET we all know about it;) that purportedly forces Assad to turn in his CW and in exchange, Assad isn’t bombed.

This “deal”, to my recollection, is carried out with UN inspectors and the US in a lead role.

You are now showing me information in the form of a WSJ report that “perhaps” 25% of Assad’s CW still exist.

Firstly, I will AGREE with you EXACTLY, that “…Assad is the WMD…”, and not so much the CW. In fact, THAT was MY MANTRA for invading Iraq, where I believe SADDAM WAS THE WMD. Of course, I was subsequently booed and hissed off this and other websites for having the chutzpah to suggesting this.

Omen, did you support GWB and his regime change goal in Iraq? Speak up. You are certainly expecting regime change is Syria (like me). What makes Saddam any different than Assad?

As far as fault is concerned with this deal BB (the “liar”) was involved with, why isn’t Obama faulted for not going through with his “red line”? Why isn’t the UN faulted for not finding all the CW (assuming 25% still remains)?

No, it is the Israeli PM at fault. Again, no surprise. BB answers not to Syrians who have hated Israel from inception to the present. BB answers to only Israelis. In this case, he obviously did enough to be VOTED in for another term.

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July 13th, 2015, 8:06 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Toppsy curvy video

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July 14th, 2015, 1:33 am

 

ALAN said:

Take it from Gilad Atzmon
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/7/11/yahud-or-israeli

Asghar with Pro™ :
Its not up side down, but the real fact. Israel commits war crimes in the name of world Jewry.

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July 13th, 2015, 12:55 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Unfortunately, many Muslims in the Arab world especially in the media are using the struggle against dictatorships and the presence of Shia militias to hide their support for Nusra and Isis. Those terrorist groups could not have survived without active support from people and governments in the Arab world and Muslim countries as a whole.
This is an Ummah that legislates terrorism and human rights abuse in the name of Islam and self defense.
أمه فاشله من الألف للياء

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July 13th, 2015, 2:04 pm

 

ALAN said:

The President Obama said: “We’re speeding up training of ISIL forces.”
Mr GHUFRAN! “We”- it means Obama administration and all its potentials including the puppets and parrots, powerless without dignity, religion and conscience.

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July 13th, 2015, 4:38 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Mr. Obama Hussein, the african shiite president of the americans, is going to sign a deal with Iran tonight. It is already know among experts as the worst dimplomatic deal ever in US history.

Good night and good …. luck (arabs and jews will need it).

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July 13th, 2015, 5:45 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

ALAN,

Go to Syria and fight and die for the interests of the new power IRAN & UNITED STATES in the Middle East.

For the imperial cause you can share the iranian, american, syrian regime forces or even share the Islamic State, the puppet of CIA and IRAN. You will surely enjoy it.

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July 13th, 2015, 5:49 pm

 

Observer said:

I beg to differ. The sectarian policies of the regimes in Syria and Iraq have left no choice for the Sunnis but to ally with whomever is willing to protect them from the sectarian militias.

It is exactly the same discourse of some Alewites asking France for a separate state and for the Maronites asking France to give them a state. Lebanon came to be but to make it viable in had to include the Bekaa and the south and with time demographics changed the equation.

Just as the Shia and Alawites think and feel and act as a sect so now the Sunnis define themselves as the majority Sunni population in Syria and the minority in Iraq.

As was noted before not all Alawites are with the regime and not all of them wished for the destruction and mayhem to be the lot of the Sunnis. This declaration proves that the Syrian national identity is dead on the ground.

Likewise when you hear Maliki declare that the problem is 1400 years old when Othman burned all the various versions of the Quran for a single one thereby destroying the one where Fatima wrote her annotations it tells you how deep this sectarian thinking is and when the Iranians declare the opposition in Syria as being Omayyad it tells you in what prism they are thinking.

Deal or no deal this playing with fire by the local powers with promoting factions and militia is going to bite them all in the behind: there are 50% non Persians in Iran, 20 million Kurds in Turkey, Shia in the eastern province in KSA and the list goes on.

Sykes Picot is finished and was used to consecrate the rule of the few over the many ( in mirror images by the way in Syria and Iraq until Bush intervened ). It is finished in Lebanon and in Syria and in Iraq. These countries are going to dissolve slowly and surely and with utter destruction.

He who sows the wind harvests the storm.

But wait the road to Jerusalem goes by Hassaka ( note not by Raqqa ).

Have a popsicle and please stop this nonsense of stupid postings

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July 13th, 2015, 11:44 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Iran accepted the west conditions, Iran gave up its sovereignty when Iran accepted the unfettered inspection of their military bases, and accepted the interviews of their nuclear scientists by US and European inspectors, humiliating conditions,
The question would the US allows Iran to resume its nuclear program after ten years? Obama will not be there at that time,
However Iran will get seventy billion dollar soon, which soon will be spent,

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July 13th, 2015, 11:44 pm

 

omen said:

i kept remembering this little boy in the back of my head but i couldn’t place him. then, today, looking for something else i accidentally pulled him up from an old folder.

Waseem al-Khatib, young boy slaughtered by Assad militias in Midan neighbourhood of Damascus. 11 Nov 2012

racan added shabiha slit his throat with a knife.

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July 14th, 2015, 12:37 am

 

omen said:

like a few of us i suspect, i’ve been arguing tail wag the dog! obama FP Not Possible without israeli buy-in.

Lina Khatib: As the Iran Deal looms, Netanyahu huffs and puffs alone. But the US would never agree to a deal that would jeopardize Israel’s interests.

don’t need to be a credentialed analyst to recognize which way the wind is blowing.

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July 14th, 2015, 2:02 am

 

Syrian said:

Iran nuclear deal is reached, let the nuclear arm race begin.

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July 14th, 2015, 3:26 am

 

ALAN said:

Most people in the United States have no hostility to Iran. Despite deceptive media campaigns and confused propaganda, the average person in New York, California, Texas, Iowa, Alabama, or Michigan does not believe that the Islamic Republic of Iran is a “threat.” Most people in the United States are more worried about finding jobs, paying their mortgages and student loan bills, and trying to survive amid the barely noticeable “economic recovery.”
Studies show that it is the young people of the United States, the ones suffering the most in the new low-wage economy, who are the least hostile to Iran. This new generation, dubbed “millennials” in the US media, voted for Obama in record numbers. They did so hoping they could repudiate the politics of fear-mongering and militarism commonly identified with the Republicans. Polls show that they favor more cooperation with Iran, and are not taken in by scare-mongering propaganda about the notion that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons.
The fact that the June 30 deadline has arrived and no deal ending the sanctions has been reached is not a reflection of popular sentiments in the United States. Rather, it is an illustration that three specific special interest groups have effectively secured their hold on the US political apparatus. Despite the rising discontent recently displayed in the streets of Baltimore, three specific entities still exercise an astronomical amount of influence over US policy. Much to the frustration of the world, this triangle of evil demonstrates that it is still able to overrule the massive sentiment for peace

The struggle of the people in the United States who desire peace, not further economic and covert warfare against Iran, is intrinsically bound up with other ongoing confrontations. The struggle for peace is directly linked to the struggle against police brutality and racism. It is bound up with the call to raise the minimum wage and secure the rights of low-wage workers.

A change in US-Iran relations will require the people of the United States, who are becoming more and more frustrated with the decaying state of affairs at home, to assert their own power. Ending the continued efforts to attack and isolate the Islamic Republic of Iran will require the defeat of big money and an upsurge of people’s pow

http://journal-neo.org/2015/07/13/who-has-been-blocking-a-deal-with-iran/

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July 14th, 2015, 4:24 am

 

omen said:

73. Akbar Palace said: Toppsy curvy video

what video you mean?

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July 14th, 2015, 4:55 am

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Alan said most people in the United States has no hostility to Iran
I am very surprised to such statement, I talked to many educated Americans, I am yet to find one that says what you just have mentioned, Iran is considered hostile to the United States , and Iran talk about US as the devile, I like to see statistics proves what you just said, may be someone else help in that,
Iran is represented by their government , and Iran government is not considered friendly to U S

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July 14th, 2015, 7:50 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Hi Omen,

I don’t know where that post came from.

OTOH, this morning we got the bad news about the agreement with Iran.

If Israel was so “influential”, this deal would never get through. And let’s see how influential Israel is with congress.

Jewish-Americans and even our Jewish-American state senator is letting this nuke deal go through.

Wow, what power!

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ben-cardin-bob-corker-iran-deal-116979.html

Israeli’s stomach turning green…

http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/pro-israel-lobby-urges-support-for-corker-bill-in-senate-on-iran-nuclear-deal-1430340654

Here are the “good” Israeli websites I promised you. Please skip the liberal Israeli news sources like Ynet and especially Haaretz.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/

http://www.israellycool.com/

http://www.jpost.com/

http://www.timesofisrael.com/

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July 14th, 2015, 7:51 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

obama FP Not Possible without israeli buy-in.

Omen,

Obviously, you’re reading something different than I am:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3160393/Iran-given-licence-kill-Furious-Israel-condemns-historic-surrender-West-axis-evil-Tehran-agrees-nuclear-power-deal.html

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July 14th, 2015, 9:58 am

 

omen said:

79. Akbar Palace said: Hi Omen, I don’t know where that post came from.

whaaa? hmm, ok.

OTOH, this morning we got the bad news about the agreement with Iran.

If Israel was so “influential”, this deal would never get through. And let’s see how influential Israel is with congress.

Jewish-Americans and even our Jewish-American state senator is letting this nuke deal go through.

if you review, you’ll see where i tried to argue, however inarticulately, that israel’s real agenda has been to collude to empower iran. recall where i pointed out israeli generals have been holding closed door meetings with iranian agents. what could have been they talking about? exchanging recipes?

it is to israel’s benefit to unleash persian storm upon the region, pitting shia versus sunni.

you yourself affect a “nothing we can do” posture, ending arguments with rationale israelis can only look out for themselves. well then, what secures israel’s future more than having iran kill off all of her perceived “enemies”?

this is an astonishingly amoral view. im not an expert but anybody should be able to see unleashing destabilizing chaos to this degree will only end up with unintended consequence – blowback. netanyahu thinks he’s being clever by half. his anti-arab
bigotry
is making him astonishingly short-sighted.

it’s israeli acquiescence that’s allowed this “deal” to go thru in the first place. seems to have been the calculated tactic from the start. bibi cried wolf so often in the beginning that he reduced himself to white noise, to be tuned out & ignored. but when it came down to the fourth quarter – the most consequential period to prevent iran from making a touchdown – bibi was caught napping on the sidelines! sitting on your hands and keeping your mouth shut doesn’t constitute opposition. in fact, bibi put in more work & effort to ensure assad a soft landing so bashar could get away with continuing to gas more children!

remember all the press israeli officials garnered from vocal support for rapprochement? a counter rally effect opposing iran deal failed to surfaced. that wasn’t by accident.

all kinds of signs israeli establishment support continues to surface. here is latest example:

Channel 2’s Ehud Yaari, who lambasted Iran deal on Friday, now says “it’s not as bad as we thought

this is israel’s de facto motto, their raison d’être. they will do whatever it takes to make this a reality. what better outcome for israelis than to have the bigger, more powerful country like iran (or the US) to do their killing for them? israelis get to have their cake and eat it to while to pretending to have clean hands when they were responsible for setting the table in the first place.

like i noted earlier: “Israel still viewed Iran as its natural ally against the Arabs.”

true then, true now.

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July 14th, 2015, 11:56 am

 

ALAN said:

78. MAJEDKHALDOUN
the link included /I would have preferred if you have read the full article/
the auther Caleb Maupin is a political analyst and activist based in New York. He studied political science at Baldwin-Wallace College and was inspired and involved in the Occupy Wall Street movement

from another side:
Because, in recent years by certain circles in the USA are increasingly began to use tactics stuffing into the public consciousness distorted information, thus achieving various lucrative government targets.
So, the other day there was stuffing data that for the first quarter of this year US economy “collapsed.” At the same time the initiators of this “information” knew that the situation was properly assessed and it was designed only to new races on the international stock exchanges, for the sake of obtaining certain circles of new super-profits at the auction, and ordinary people are, as always, lost.

To participate in such misinformation stuffing are different ways: by leaks “information” from the scientists or experts’ studies research centers “of the US, and sometimes just using blogs, has a large number of visitors.

This tactic is used in various fields, particularly in the military and security sphere, in order to justify the government’s policies in a specific period or to obtain additional financing, constructing an image of a foe.

There are many concrete examples and transfer of the Washington scheme to manipulate public opinion and on the activities of international organizations. A vivid illustration of this, is the recent UN report on the human rights situation in the Palestinian territory.

http://journal-neo.org/2015/07/14/understanding-manufactured-dissent-in-america/

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July 14th, 2015, 12:18 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

it is to israel’s benefit to unleash persian storm upon the region, pitting shia versus sunni.

Omen,

That would be logical from Israel’s standpoint, increase Iran’s influence so HA is more powerful and more of a threat to Israel. Make’s perfect sense.

Meanwhile, it is the Shia’s belief, like you, that Israel is “unleashing” ISIS upon THEM.

The common thread, of course, is the typical Israel conspiracy where Israel is responsible for all these muslim extremists and crises.

Back to Earth, BOTH Iran and ISIS are huge threats to Israel and Israel has no control of either foe. You are free to believe otherwise.

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July 14th, 2015, 1:24 pm

 

omen said:

you know what, akbar? your challenging the issue made me realize the chem deal is what provided media the cover needed to put assad on the back burner. look how syria was ignored after netanyahu engineered damage control. media attention plummets after ghouta gassing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHzvFN1UwAAComd.jpg

this pattern is going to be repeated. the iran deal is being hailed as “peace for our time.” this is going to give iran the cover needed to double down on killing syrians while networks continue to look the other way.

ghufran is giddy at the prospect. for shame.

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July 14th, 2015, 2:34 pm

 

ALAN said:

Netanyahu has a real problem. With the P5+1 deal completed, world attention is going to go back to Israel’s reign of destruction on Gaza a year ago, and without the distraction of trying to ban Iran’s imaginary nuclear weapons, world opinion will turn to banning Israel’s very real nuclear weapons!
http://rt.com/news/273589-israel-blasts-iran-deal/

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July 14th, 2015, 2:40 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

Thanks for the media attention graph. BB controls that too. You’re beginning to merge with Ahlan’s Laws of Jooish Conspiracy Theory. BB negotiated Assad’s removal of his CW (for whatever it was worth, probably little), and that was in Israel’s best interest. He did not negotiate for less media attention or for freedom for Syria’s people.

But you are free to email BB’s office in occupied Jerusalem to ask him to help Syria more. He has a lot of free time.

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July 14th, 2015, 2:55 pm

 

omen said:

i dont blame jews for netanyahu’s insanity. i dont conflate the two. you shouldnt absorb it as a personal affront. israel like the US are ruled by oligarchs.

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July 14th, 2015, 3:03 pm

 

omen said:

syrians enduring a holocaust but you’re more attuned to safeguarding israel’s reputation. whose the victim here, akbar?

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July 14th, 2015, 3:21 pm

 

ALAN said:

Obama went on increasing. His brother in low appointed “chief blacks rabbi in the world”!
Rabbi Capers Fanny, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capers_Funnye , who is a cousin of first lady Michelle Obama, was elected as the first “African-American chief rabbi» XXI century!
It is worth noting that earlier in the media have published articles that the rabbi Fanny called “dark-skinned chief rabbi of America,” but this time we will focus on “global recognition.”
The corresponding statement was made by the International Council Israhilitian rabbis, whose members unanimously chose the wife of US President’s cousin “figurehead of the international community of black Jews.” This community, in addition to the United States, represented in the Caribbean, South Africa, Uganda and Nigeria.
It is noted that this position was free since 1999 after the death of Rabbi Levi Ben Levy. It is expected that it will be responsible for the establishment of closer ties with the community of Ethiopian Jews in Israel, and to proceed to him he must have this fall.

Fanny is headed by Rabbi congregation “Beth Shalom B’nai Zaken” and is the only dark-skinned rabbi, who is on the Board of Rabbis of the city of Chicago.

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July 14th, 2015, 3:34 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Omen,

I don’t know what to tell you. Jews don’t own the term Holocaust despite the rumors.

Any time so many innocent people are killed, use it. Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Vietnam, Russia, China, Bosnia, Rwanda, Germany, Japan, etc.

Jews pleaded for help too. Just to take us in as refugees, like Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey have so graciously offered many Syrians. So, I understand the frustration when calls get unanswered. BB is not the designated Syrian freedom fighter unless the Syrians designate him as such.

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July 14th, 2015, 3:47 pm

 

ALAN said:

POOR BIBI, THE WORLD HAS TAKEN AWAY HIS MOST BELOVED TOY — THE IRANIAN BOMB
The bomb has gone.From now on,Natanyahu is like a baby that has lost its secutity blanket, or like one whose favorite teddy bear was thrown into the garbage.

https://medium.com/@thepalestineproject/poor-netanyahu-the-world-has-taken-away-his-most-beloved-toy-the-iranian-bomb-63cc0b7db8cc

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July 14th, 2015, 4:07 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

ALAN,

FROM NOW ON BIBI MAYBE HAS LOST HIS IRANIAN BOMB TOY AND YOUR FRIENDS OF ASSAD AND HEZBOLLAH WILL FREELY KILL, TORTURE AND RAPE SYRIANS, IRAQIS AND LEBANESE PEOPLE.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE US OF AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREE WHO DON´T HAVE AN IDEA OF THE CRIMES THEY ARE PROMOTING.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NATIONALIST, IMPERIALIST, ISLAMIST REGIME OF IRAN WHO WILL CELEBRATE CRIMES ON ARAB NATIONS.

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July 14th, 2015, 4:21 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

the importance of the Iran deal is that it converts Iran from foe to friend of US, as it was during the Shah, there is also realization that Sanctions never really worked, and the enthusiasm for war has waned in America under Obama tenure, and the cost of Iraq war.
the main critic to this agreement is can we trust the Mulla in Iran?, the answer is clear , NO , so why did the US agreed to this deal?
We know the answer, US is afraid of Erdogan who is the new Saladin, and US wants to stoke the fire of war in the Middle East so that they burn their money and destroy their countries, I mean a war between KSA and Iran, unfortunately we have seniles ruling KSA , whose policy has nothing to do with the Arab interest

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July 14th, 2015, 5:45 pm

 

Tara said:

“Rouhani wasn’t alone in bringing up Imam Hassan. The supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei —who has final say in all political and national security matters—also began to invoke the imam in setting the stage for Tuesday’s compromise, calling it a policy of “heroic flexibility.” By repeating this term several times, Khamenei reached back into Shiite history to provide theological justification for the prospect of a rapprochement with Iran’s Western adversaries.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-a-seventh-century-cleric-led-to-the-iran-deal-120100.html#ixzz3fuACsu5t

Theology is jack of all trait. It is invoked for mass slaughter as well as rapprochement. Ironically bt the same spiritual leaders. May all religious clergy be cursed. They are all حثالة.

God can do much better without those people

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July 14th, 2015, 5:52 pm

 

annie said:

Maysaloon
Of course Annie agrees totally with him

TUESDAY, JULY 14, 2015
Pan-Arabists and the Iran “deal”
The Pan-Arabists of the Middle East are celebrating the US-Iranian deal along with all the Progressives of the world. Every spin is being put on this deal to make it look like a guarantee for peace in our time, that somehow the Iranian regime’s desire for a nuclear bomb has been curbed. In exchange, however, the world has offered Syria to Iran on a platter. We’re told by reasonable people that of course, “no deal is perfect”. What they won’t say is that the “imperfect” bits are Syria, and that the millions of people who can’t go home anymore, and the hundreds of thousands who have died in the last four years, are directly a result of Tehran’s actions.

I didn’t always used to think like this. You’re reading the blog of a bitter and disillusioned man who once cheered for Hassan Nasrallah during the 2006 war and believed that Tehran’s ‘Axis of Resistance’ was the region’s only hope. I changed my mind because Syrians were being murdered by the thousands, their legitimate claims dismissed, and their uprising brushed off as a terrorist uprising by a tinpot dictator who would not have survived had it not been for the help of Tehran and Hezbullah. The pan-Arabists were blasé about the news. We were brutalised and the world did nothing. We were tortured, and the world did nothing. We were starved, and the world did nothing. The world looked away when Syria started.

Whilst I write this I am thinking about a young Syrian boy I shook hands with in Turkey. Well, we didn’t shake hands. He shook my hands, I shook the stump of his arm because his hands were blown off by a Syrian regime missile strike. The Iranian deal means more bombs, more bullets, and more militias will be sent to Assad, and the easing of sanctions means more money will be used to prop up his economy and keep him in power. That’s why I’m not enthusiastic about the deal with Iran. That’s why I’m angry and biased. I don’t know, maybe I’m not thinking straight; I’m too ’emotional’.

I’m sorry that Syrians are inconvenient, that we’re not being killed by the right type of enemy for you people. I’m sorry we haven’t received your stamp of approval. Pan-Arabists are cheering a deal with Iran, because, as they keep reminding us, Israel is the real enemy; Palestine the real goal. Never mind the untold misery, guts and excrement that we are being forced to crawl through in the name of this mythical liberation that hovers on our horizon like a promised paradise for the wretched of the world. Syria is “complicated”. Syrians are only to be felt “sorry for”, like the victims of some flood or an earthquake. From your glass towers in Dubai you intellectual pan-Arabists can toast a deal with Iran, and celebrate the fact that nothing has been allowed to deviate your attention from the lofty goal of “liberating Palestine”.
http://www.maysaloon.org/2015/07/pan-arabists-and-iran-deal.html

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July 15th, 2015, 5:10 am

 

ALAN said:

93. MAJEDKHALDOUN
The essence of the subject is to replace the Russian oil and gas

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July 15th, 2015, 7:49 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Annie thanks for the post above.

You’re reading the blog of a bitter and disillusioned man who once cheered for Hassan Nasrallah during the 2006 war and believed that Tehran’s ‘Axis of Resistance’ was the region’s only hope.

I’m willing to bet most of the participants here felt the same way. Professor Josh certainly did, as he continued to support Assad as the “best” alternative under the circumstances.

Omen, how about you? Were you ALWAYS critical of Assad and his Iran/Hezbo axis?

Of course my question, from my vantage point, is what “hope” were these supporters looking for? Economic hope? Freedom hope? Or just the typical “eradicate Israel” hope.

I think the author, Maysaloon, sums it up pretty nicely when he states:

Pan-Arabists are cheering a deal with Iran, because, as they keep reminding us, Israel is the real enemy; Palestine the real goal. Never mind the untold misery, guts and excrement that we are being forced to crawl through in the name of this mythical liberation that hovers on our horizon like a promised paradise for the wretched of the world.

So the Resistance Pros™ want YOU to suffer so they can eradicate Israel? Come again??

Why can’t you eradicate Israel without making your people suffer?

Ahlan, Professor Josh, Matthew, Omen, and all the other smart people here:

Do you have an answer?

The Obama-Iran deal will continue this false hope, and therefore, will bring more violence. Unfortunately.

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July 15th, 2015, 7:50 am

 

Observer said:

The deal according to the NYT is actually a tough one.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/14/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal-who-got-what-they-wanted.html

I listened to Wali Nasr on NPR yesterday and he is Iranian and he is the Chair of the Center for International Policy at Johns Hopkins.

Iran got a very hard squeeze on its program.

Now this US administration can continue to amaze us in its incompetence but in reality the “Iranian cards” are going to suffer for there is no way that Israel and the GCC are going to allow for Iran to continue to have cards in the region with which it can threaten them.

The biggest question is what will Iran do with HA, its most important card as the 100 000 missiles constitute a deterrent to Israeli strike on Natanz and other sites.

To continue to support HA they need a corridor and this corridor called Thouria Al Athad is being slowly and inexorably diminished and will not survive.

The risk of war has increased in the ME as it will be only logical that the GCC will ally with Egypt and Israel to counter Iran.

If the regime cannot prevail against divided opposition it will certainly not be able to survive a concerted effort if they unite.

Also, the next President in the US will change the equation. There is at best 1 year left now

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July 15th, 2015, 8:20 am

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

This deal between US and Iran will be an issue in the US election, republicans are opposed to it except Rand Paul, Hilary Clinton as she was FM, she must express her opinion,
Obama will not last more than a year and half,

Alan
The oil is not the issue, Europe consumption of oil is too large for Iran to replace the oil they import from Russia, I believe US wants to isolate Erdogan, they tried hard to weaken him, military coup failed, supporting Gullen against him failed, and now they convinced the national party in Turkey to refuse to join him in a coalition government, it will fail as Mr. Erdogan will call for re election, further the young Saudi generation are more likely to work with Erdogan, rather than against him

I am told that Zabadani may fall, Jaish Al Fateh is starting an assault against Fau ah, and Kafrayya, in return,

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July 15th, 2015, 11:33 am

 

Hopeful said:

Why did the US agree to a deal with Iran?

The answer is fairly simple. Obama has been saying it to anyone who cares to listen. Because there is no other option to slow down Iran’s nuclear weapon agenda.

Neither the US government nor the US public are in any mood to fight another war in the Middle East. The US economy is turning the corner and Obama has no interest in getting the US into a new global conflict which may affect the progress he has made on the economy.

The sanctions, while they did hurt Iran, did not manage to stop it. Iran’s nuclear program was progressing.

So the only option left is a negotiated deal. Period.

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July 15th, 2015, 1:49 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

The sanctions, while they did hurt Iran, did not manage to stop it. Iran’s nuclear program was progressing.

Hopeful,

The sanctions were working FINE! That is what was keeping the Iranians at the table. The US should have walked away. Civil unrest there was brewing just like, er, the “arab spring”.

Because there is no other option to slow down Iran’s nuclear weapon agenda.

Tell that to the Israelis, who, w/o gloating, destroyed 2 nuclear reactors. Tell that to Kaddafi, who “scared straight” by, er, GWB. The US has crusie missiles. Piece of cake Hopeful.

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July 15th, 2015, 2:48 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Obama was asked , what if Iran cheated, Obama answered we go back to sanction,
I am surprised Obama who is a lawyer, let Iran takes advantage of his naive thinking, by then Iran would have got back the 120 billion dollar, it seems Obama has no intention ever to use the military against Iran, it is either sanction or nothing,
So what would Iran lose if they cheat again, they certainly will win the 120 billion dollar,
Republicans should take advantage of naive Obama,
As for Syria, he said it is so complex, that means he has no solution, even that the solution is very simple, just like Iran and Russia is arming Assad, he could have allowed KSA to arm the rebels with anti aircraft missiles, Obama is not telling the truth about Syria

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July 15th, 2015, 3:17 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Countdown to Next President: 1 year 7 months, 23 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes 12…11…10 seconds NewZ

Republicans should take advantage of naive Obama

American people do not understand the implications.

Obama is not telling the truth about Syria.

The truth is, Obama is a commie-traitor. His ideology is simple: everyone should have the same income. It all flows from that 1 idea. Defense spending keeps the US from writing checks to the disadvantaged. Oh, BTW, increase the minimum wage and bring in more illegal aliens so we can give them money too.

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July 15th, 2015, 4:13 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

The Obama-Iran deal will continue this false hope, and therefore, will bring more violence. Unfortunately.

Akbar don’t be laughable. Behind the treaty is not simply “Obama” or even USA. There are EU, Russia, China etc behind the agreement and those world powers want it to happen NOW. Believing that USA agreed to the treaty because it wanted is somewhat hilarious. Obama and those in power knew perfectly well Israel’s and Gulf royals’s attitude, but they knew also the power behind those who want to do business with Iran. EU, Russia, China, India etc do want peace and development to the center of Eurasia, even some nuts in Israel, USA and Gulf states do want new wars. EU already has to face the pressure of millions refugees on its borders and a spreading ring of chaos and instability. Ukraine collapsing with its 46 million population and Persian Gulf in flames would lead to …

Behind this Israel’s “attitude” are a couple Sunni “royal-states” built on sand. What is funny is that Israel doesn’t offer the “Sunnis” a real solution with what can be done to Iran besides their normal Gaza-treatment medicine = isolation and destroying in intervals. Not even the Sunni royals are so stupid that they do not understand that what Israel offers them is JEWISH DOMINATION for the region. Even in best scenario for Israel the Sunnis know that after Iranian “problem” they have to solve their “Jewish problem” with its existing nukes and chemical weapons. And “Sunnis” know that Israeli power vanishes totally the day the west is forced to end its support. Akbar the majority of Palestinians are Sunnis and Saudi Arabia and others are forced sooner or later again face that reality.

Iran has nearly as much students now on higher education level than in Israel live permanently Jews. And of those in that education level the majority are women. Iran is a big nation with huge resources and relative well educated and ambitious people. Iran is the potential Germany of Middle East. For Saudi Arabian elite the development ambition seems to be limited besides oil drilling and spreading wahhabism to camel racing and falcon hunting.

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July 15th, 2015, 5:00 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#101 Akbar Palace

I respectfully disagree. The sanctions did bring Iran to the table, but did not slow down its progress towards getting a bomb.

Had a deal not been reached, Iran would have continued to build its bomb, and the only option remaining was going to be war.

The region does not need another war, the U.S. does not need to be involved in another war in the Middle East, and Obama was elected as president to focus on the economy and limit the US’s heavy-handed involvement overseas. That is exactly what he did. What he is doing with Iran is the same as what Nixon did with China, and the same as what Reagan did with the Soviets: engage.

The deal may not be good for the Israelis, it may not be good for the Saudis, it may not be good for the Syrian oppositions (unfortunately), but it is the right thing to do for Americans, the west and Iran.

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July 15th, 2015, 6:51 pm

 

Hopeful said:

# 103 Akbar Palace

I am surprised to see you lose your cool. Your contributions so far have mostly been constructive, civil and factual. I am not used to you making sweeping generalizations and accusations like this. I am being honest and do not mean to attack you.

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July 15th, 2015, 7:01 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Hopeful said the nuclear deal is the right thing for America and the west
Can you explain how strong terrorist country like Iran ,lead by untrustworthy Mullas be the right thing for the US?

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July 15th, 2015, 7:18 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

I respectfully disagree. The sanctions did bring Iran to the table, but did not slow down its progress towards getting a bomb.

Hopeful,

Thanks for being respectful. That’s always a good starting point. To be honest then, ur opinion is the same as PM of Israel. I think BB’S message was eroded, because for the past 10 yrs., he was saying Iran was months away from getting the bomb.

My point is whether Iran is 10 months or 10 years away from getting the bomb, the US should also continue pressuring Iran with sanctions and coordinating military action with allies.

Had a deal not been reached, Iran would have continued to build its bomb, and the only option remaining was going to be war.

We’re already at war with Iran. Let’s be real. When a country is a threat with nuclear weapons, you simply destroy their nuclear facilities. The US had the largest military spending in the world. Use it.

The region does not need another war, the U.S. does not need to be involved in another war in the Middle East, and Obama was elected as president to focus on the economy and limit the US’s heavy-handed involvement overseas. That is exactly what he did. What he is doing with Iran is the same as what Nixon did with China, and the same as what Reagan did with the Soviets: engage.

Reagan stood up to Gorbachev, continued with Star Wars funding and the USSR imploding. I want a similar strategy with Iran. Donald Trump tonight on Fox News correctly summed up Obama’s negotiating acumen as “the Ameteur Hour”.

The deal may not be good for the Israelis, it may not be good for the Saudis, it may not be good for the Syrian oppositions (unfortunately), but it is the right thing to do for Americans, the west and Iran.

Correct, the deal insures continued violence in the Middle East. You think this agreement will prevent war, I say this agreement will broaden wars and make Iran a die t threat to Europe and the US. Iran will now get a nuclear weapon after the agreement term ends next decade.

Sorry I lost my cool. I’m human. I’m not a robot.

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July 15th, 2015, 10:53 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#107 MajedKhaldoun

I did not say “Iran” is the right thing for the US, I said a “deal” with Iran is the right thing for the US.

The US wants to stop Iran from having the bomb. They have three options: impose sanctions, bomb Iran, or try a deal. While sanctions were imposed, Iran continued to develop the bomb, so that option is out. Bombing Iran is not a good option, as it will drag the US into another war in the Middle East. The only option left is a deal. It is the right thing.

Regional powers – without exceptions – would love to drag the US into their messy conflicts, fight their wars, and then complain about it. Everyone talks about how the US screwed up in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq, etc. The war in Iraq benefited Isreal, Iran, Turkey, the Kurds, and the new Iraqi politicAl elite, but it was a disaster for the US and a disaster for Iraq. The “right thing” for the US is to avoid a similar disaster in Iran – something that would benefit regional powers but would be bad for the US and bad for Iran.

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July 16th, 2015, 2:12 am

 

Hopeful said:

#108 Akbar Palace

“The US has the largest military in the world. Use it”

Using its military in Iraq for decades only led to a disaster. General Zinni wrote a book years ago in which he explained the costs that the US had to bear in its efforts to impose sanctions and no-fly zones on Iraq during the 90’s. At the end, the US had to either invade Iraq or leave it alone. “Containing” Saddam by imposing sanctions to try to prevent him from acquiring WMD was not working, Bombing him did not work either. At the end, they had to go in and take him out. Iraqis are still suffering the consequences. There is a limit to what the US can accomplish with its military power. Israel can also learn these lessons IMHO.

“Reagan stood up to Gorbachev, continued the Star Wars funding….”

In my opinion, Obama is doing the exact same thing. Obama never stops criticizing Iran on every issue: terrorism, domestic human rights, stand against Israel, etc. Reagan signed nuclear treaties with the USSR. Reagan showed the Russians that he is respectful of their nation and civilization. Reagan pulled the rug from underneath the Soviet leaders, who used the argument that the “evil empire” – the US – is out to get them. The USSR collapsed partially because once the external threat argument is eliminated, the leaders of the USSR could no longer give excuses to their people as to why they should continue a broken system. Every president before Reagan stood up to the soviet leaders, but Reagan was the first to engage them. He did not bomb the USSR’s nuclear facilities – he proposed and signed treaties to reduce and contain them.

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July 16th, 2015, 2:36 am

 

ALAN said:

Asghar
The answer can be as the research conclusion after focusing on, and follow the interests and activity of global Zionism.
Unfortunately, you are still talking about bringing more violence and suffering.
keep in mind that, I am not fit to receive stuffing tactics into the consciousness.

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July 16th, 2015, 3:55 am

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Allan
This deal is bad for the whole free world including US , US is empowering. Terrorist country , ruled by Mullas, providing Iran with 120billion dollar and lifting sanction that will bring much more money to Iran , Iran will use most of these monies to support terrorism and ignite fights in the Middle East and in the world , this is not in any way good to the US, on the other side weakening Iran , by keeping the sanction will limit Iran ability to ignite wars and spread terrorism that what is good deal
Obama rewarded terrorists , do we expect him next to reward North Korea? Yes, do we expect him to make deals with ISIS ? Yes
Comparing Obama to Reagan is wrong, Reagan defeated the Soviet Union, not true that he made a deal with the Soviet Union
If you trust Iran to behave good in the international arena, you may trust a thief to protect your money, or a murderer to guard your kids, past behavior should tell about future, Iran will give more money to the criminal Assad to kill Syrians, If that what you support then say it, and please do not tell me that is not going to happen
As for developing bomb, Iran in this deal is guaranteed making bomb in the next decade, so how is this deal will prevent Iran from such thing?, you are making it O.K. For Iran to get the bomb in the future, a decade from now, that is a major mistake

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July 16th, 2015, 6:53 am

 

ALAN said:

The “Free world” is that trimmer, unjust, corrupt, old, which occurred in the bondage of its interests.
How you see the “free world” rulers bow down in front of their benefits from the GCC over and over ?
Shame on the US government to be in bed with KSA rulers. the “free world” is tweaking and turn around the money! Mating with all the demons of the world in order to get more and more benefits and gains.

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July 16th, 2015, 8:37 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

At the end, they had to go in and take him out. Iraqis are still suffering the consequences. There is a limit to what the US can accomplish with its military power. Israel can also learn these lessons IMHO.

Hopeful,

I understand what you’re saying. The US and Israel both have to think long and hard about the use of military force against an enemy country.

I think what we have seen is that a “rogue”, autocratically run country with WMD, that exports terrorism needs to be sanctioned by the UN and the world community. If any of these countries comes close to attaining nuclear weapons, their nuclear facilities should be destroyed. Plain and simple.

Whether ground troops or regime change is necessary may no longer be important. What you have suggested, “There is a limit to what the US can accomplish with its military power. Israel can also learn these lessons IMHO.”, is definitely true. In the end, these countries like Iraq, Syria, etc, have to be able to defend their own country.

In this case, the US could provide weapons for self defense assuming there are militias and armies who are up to the challenge and are not more of the same.

In the case of Iran, the sanctions WERE working, Iran was growing desperate, and the military option to destroy their nuclear facilities should have been used by this time. Obama is an appeaser. His speech in Egypt won him no friends and only made him look week. His negotiations with Iran are making him look orders of magnitude weaker. We are now basically waiting for the next president to stop Iran’s march to nuclear weapons and control of the entire ME. You can easily predict the inspections not working and disagreements popping up all the time. Iran has been given a green light to acquire nuclear weapons. Everyone is now in danger.

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July 16th, 2015, 8:48 am

 

omen said:

finally found the cite i early referenced:

The defected colonel said all the airplanes seized or destroyed by rebels, do not form more than 10% of the air-force of the regime, as it has almost 500 military airplanes and 150 helicopter.

Syrian regime has 29 airports, and the most powerful one is alsin Airport, and Domair airport, both of them situated to the East of Damascus. T4 and Shoairat airports, to the East of Homs come next in importance and strength, according to Abo Nidal .

The Colonel advised that best way to disable the power of the airports is to cut fuel supply, although it is difficult task, but still the easiest way to put the airports and regime’s air-forces out of service.

In regard to deep loyalty of the pilots to regime, the defected Colonel explained that most pilots (80%) of them are from Alawite sect. He mentioned that they demanded their commanders to allow them to hit the demonstrations from the beginning of the Syrian revolution, therefore, the colonel realized that bombing and targeting civilians is inevitable, that pushed him to defect to protect himself from being a partner in killing Syrians.

regime pilots knew they were killing unarmed civilians. were even eager to do so. will loyalists ever apologize or even bother to offer regret? or will they go to their graves feeling justified in their hatred?

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July 16th, 2015, 8:58 am

 

Hopeful said:

#114 Akbar Palace

“In the case of Iran, the sanctions WERE working, Iran was growing desperate, and the military option to destroy their nuclear facilities should have been used by this time.”

Obama has no mandate from the American public to bomb Iran. After the Iraqi fiasco, Americans want to stay away from involvement in the Middle East. He faced hell when he proposed an even simpler engagement – limited bombing of Assad’s troops when they USED chemical weapons, and both the US public AND congress raised hell.

You call him weak, I call him pragmatic. He inherited a mess of a country from Bush, and fixed it.

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July 16th, 2015, 12:00 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Hopeful,

You win, 5 to 1.

I will shelve this issue and see where we are with it in the years to come.

If the ME is more peaceful. I’ll buy you some baklava and Turkish coffee.

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July 16th, 2015, 10:36 pm

 

omen said:

116. Hopeful

Obama has no mandate

speaking of mandates, a no-fly zone has long held majority support yet obama refuses to implement one.

as usual, special interest agenda trumps popular sentiment.

He faced hell when he proposed an even simpler engagement

he faced hell when he went back on his word when he had established a red line against gassing civilians. obama shredded his own credibility. what’s admirable about that?

You call him weak, I call him pragmatic.

on what universe is green-lighting genocide “pragmatic”?

whose side are you on, Hope?

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July 16th, 2015, 10:46 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#117 Akbar Palace

I am happy to buy you baklava and Turkish coffee anytime – no ifs and buts! 🙂

I am in the Bay Area first two weeks of August, and in NY for a week afterwards. If you are in any of these two locations, we can make that happen!

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July 17th, 2015, 5:13 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

he faced hell when he went back on his word when he had established a red line against gassing civilians.

He sure did. BTW, Hopeful, the only person who got a “mandate” was GWB going into Iraq. If u recall, the mandate was UNSC 1441 AND the US Congress including Hilary Clinton.

All the US has to do is give the GOI the red light to destroy Iran’s nuke sites. They did it in Iraq and Syria, all they would need is bunker busters.

Iran will be a nuke power next decade. Obama should be locked up. I’m serious.

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July 17th, 2015, 8:08 am

 

ALAN said:

SIMOHURTTA
Various political forces in the United States are trying to distort the essence of the agreement on the Iranian nuclear program, and most importantly – Israel and Saudi Arabia are going to continue to try to keep Iran on the outskirts of the regional policy, no matter what the agreement signed with the Islamic Republic of the United States.
The main argument of “champions of truth” for the Israeli and Saudi money in the ensuing heated discussion is the argument that even economically weakened, Iran has managed to achieve considerable influence in the Middle East, some aggressive military hegemony it has become, when all restrictions will be removed from it?
Not Iran, but the above two states differ adequately large budgets for the purchase of weapons and, above all, Teheran is most interested in the economic development, but not in a senseless war that almost engulfed the region. The irony lies in the fact that the White House is careful that his opponents did not deceive him, not noticing it as so-called allies twist them at their own discretion. It turns out that this is not Washington refused to unfounded accusations against the Iranian people, and dealt a blow to its satellites, which now require “moral compensation
Truly turning Iran, long-term, into a functioning member of the global community, not just with its benefits but with its responsibilities and obligations, might be the only real plan that allows the Iranian people, long-studied and long-documented as perhaps the most democratically-knowledgeable and democratically-aspiring people within the Muslim world, to finally reconstruct its own society in a manner that fundamentally changes the nature and the dynamic of the region.

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July 17th, 2015, 9:39 am

 

omen said:

can someone warn the moderator the edit feature that allows us to fix mistakes after publishing comment is not working? thank you.

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July 17th, 2015, 10:56 am

 

omen said:

little kids enjoying obama’s pragmatism.

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July 17th, 2015, 7:48 pm

 

omen said:

where is michael jackson? i miss seeing his posts. hope it wasn’t something i said :/

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July 20th, 2015, 8:54 am

 

ALAN said:

Done by american planers!
30 killed (KURDS?), 100 injured(KURDS?) as blast hits Turkey(KURDS?) border town near Syria
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/07/20/421062/Turkey-blast

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July 20th, 2015, 12:26 pm