Car Bombs Rip Apart Saadallah al-Jabiri Square in Aleppo - Syria Comment

Car Bombs Rip Apart Saadallah al-Jabiri Square in Aleppo

Aleppo and Damascus are the two geese that lay Syria’s golden eggs. The revolutionaries must take them from the regime. The problem is that the regime cannot allow the opposition to have them alive. It will have to kill the golden geese rather than give them up to the enemy. Both sides will grind Syria’s two commercial and political capitals into dust rather then permit the other side to own them and harvest their golden eggs. Aleppo and Damascus produce much of Syria’s wealth. Even more importantly they are the two centers that extract that wealth from the rest of the country. During Ottoman times, it has been estimated that taxes on peasants were 4 times higher than on city dwellers.

The country folk that have been at the heart of this rebellion waited for a Tahrir Square moment. They waited for the city people to rise up and come to their aid. Unfortunately, Aleppo and Damascus did not rise up or couldn’t. Over the last several months the revolutionaries have been taking the revolution to the cities. They insist that the cities cannot be allowed to sit out this revolt; otherwise, the regime will win. Amn wa Istiqrar – security and stability – has been the mantra of this regime for 40 years. The revolution cannot allow it to go on. By taking the fight to the city centers, they will deny the wealthier urbanites the security and safety they have always been willing to settle for.

There is a strong class element to this struggle. It is not only about sect and religion. For the rural Syrians that make up so much of the militias destroying the city centers is a price they are willing to pay to set the city folk on fire. Of course Assad’s army cannot allow the cities to pass into the hands of the opposition. Whoever owns the cities, owns Syria.

The opposition is counting on the fact that once security and stability is taken away from the middle Class and rich, they will side with their fellow Sunnis against the Alawite dominated regime. This is a safe bet. It happened in Lebanon and Iraq. Once the state is gone, people will cleave to their own community or tribe. Most Syrians, before this is over, may well be forced back to that default setting. Can a “free floating” individual survive in the jungle, where no rule of law protects him?


View Larger Map Jabri Square is at the corner of the Park. I couldn’t get the red  pointer to move, but click on the larger map for real detail.

Two car bombs rocked Saadallah al-Jabri Square in Aleppo, causing much damage and death. 40 reported dead so far. VOA story.

The obliterated building to the right of the picture is a well known coffee shop that occupies the corner of the street facing the Siyahi hotel, which is seen at the left of the picture. The real target, however, was undoubtedly the “officers club” or “nadi Al-zubbat” which is located directly to the right of the coffee shop. Other pictures of the scene, clearly show that the club was totally destroyed by the blast.” Another explosion took place near Aleppo’s Chamber of Commerce.

Video of the bomb site is here

It is from a pro-government YouTube network: a lengthy video of the damage, recorded by a man who narrated the scene as he trudged across piles of rubble to the brink of what appeared to be a six-foot-deep bomb crater. Gunfire could be heard nearby.

The facades had been sheared off four buildings, two about eight stories high, and two smaller ones between them. On the other side of an intersection, a building appeared to have collapsed. The man narrating the video said that a coffee shop and a cellphone store had been destroyed along with the hotel, and that several senior officials had come to the scene.

The video then cut to the bodies of two men wearing army uniforms.

“Those are the terrorists carrying explosive belts as we can see attached to the hand of this terrorist,” the cameraman says as the video zooms into to show a corpse’s mouth covered with blood.

In the background, someone shouts an obscenity. “Film the blowup device in his hand, film it!” It was unclear what was in the man’s hand.

New York Times By ANNE BARNARD:

The new fighting caused anguish for supporters and opponents of the government. The bombings on Wednesday hit a central square bordered by a graceful public garden, a downtown district full of hotels and offices, and the Christian neighborhood of Aziziyeh, where many people had sought refuge over the weekend.

Activists also reported that the al-Hal spice market near the site of the bombings was being shelled. Dozens were wounded and people were trapped there by the fighting, activists said….

 

Iran video said to be from today: protesters in Tehran chanting anti-Syria slogans

Syria’s Kurds Build Enclaves as War Rages
Oppressed Group Gains New Freedoms With Help of Political Alliance, Militia
BY JOE PARKINSON – in WSJ

DERIK, Syria—A teacher’s request sends a dozen young arms skyward, with high-pitched pleas to showcase new skills. One by one, the excited pupils walk to the front of their dusty classroom to recite or write in Kurdish—a language outlawed from public life in Syria.

While civil war has shut many schools across the country, here in the Kurdish-dominated northeast, education is expanding into new territory—just one way in which the Assad regime’s focus on fighting rebels in the biggest cities has allowed the emergence of autonomous Kurdish enclaves.

“Until now the regime closed Kurdish eyes and mouths. Now we are …

Comments (562)


ann said:

Learn About The Latest Islamist Terrorist plans

October 3rd, 2012, 10:50 am

 

Dawoud said:

Hasan Nasrillat’s “martyrs,” or more accurately dead KILLERS/SHABIHA, are multiplying (Good “if” riddance!) because the courageous FSA is hunting and killing them.
Hasan Nasrillat has become essential to Bashar’s propaganda and inciting machine. He is complicit in murdering Syrians. Sooner or later, Syrian poeple’s justice will visit him in his residence in al-Dhahiya al-Janoubia!
Free Syria and Palestine!
http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/7aaaaded-4106-433d-8bca-a7e337c0c1d6?GoogleStatID=1
أنباء عن قتلى لحزب الله في سوريا
P.S.,
Dear Mr. Landis:
Thanks for FINALLY posting something about Hizballah (or more accurately Hizb-al-Shytan, Party of the Devil) and its complicity in killing Syrians. When Syrians invade Lebanon’s southern Dhahiya to arrest Nasrillat, please don’t consider this as an aggression!
Free Syria and Palestine! Thanks Khalid Mesh’al for upsetting Bashar!
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/02/241499.html
التلفزيون السوري يصف مشعل ومرسي بـ”فرقة الطبالة”
Alarabiya is now reporting about an explosion in Ba’albak in Hizbillat’s ammunition depot. 7 killed! I hope that Hasan Nasrillat was hiding in this depot! Devine justice for the Syrians whom Bashar and Hasan are now killing!

Bashar is now carrying out terrorist car bombings in Aleppo in the same way he was doing so ahead of every U.N. and Arab monitors’ visits!

October 3rd, 2012, 11:00 am

 

Mina said:

Zoo (earlier post)
They will surely let it drag on until… So indeed, he was preparing something in Benghazi?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-probe-of-libya-attack-moves-slowly-8195359.html

October 3rd, 2012, 11:04 am

 

Visitor said:

It was a week of reckoning for the axis of evil composed of mullah Iranistan, the Mongolian remnants of the criminal thugs occupying Damascus and their stooges of heretic hizbillat.

After the meltdown of the mullah economy, the expected self consumption of evil in Qardaha, the elimination and deliverance to hell of senior heretic hizbillati thugs, today an explosion eliminated at least 7 hizbillati thugs and delivered them to their final abode in hell and destroyed tools of murder stockpiled by hizbillati for the killing of more Syrians. This is Divine Justice at work,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/03/241643.html

October 3rd, 2012, 11:05 am

 

Dawoud said:

4. Visitor

Yes, Good riddance to the Persian invaders of the Arab World and their Lebanese puppets (Hizbillat).

Free Syria, Free Lebanon, Free Palestine, Bahrain is Arab Forever!

October 3rd, 2012, 11:09 am

 

Visitor said:

Zoo 26 from previous post,

Check out this video and let us know how much teeth grinding you had to grind,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLZXWqhLLfc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my iPad

October 3rd, 2012, 11:12 am

 

Mina said:

… Waiting for the Muslim Luther…
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/54658/Egypt/Politics-/Two-Coptic-children-arrested-in-Egypt-for-insultin.aspx
“Beni Suef Imam files law suit against two Christian boys for allegedly tearing up Quranic verses; Children in juvenile detention centre pending investigation Sunday”

October 3rd, 2012, 11:13 am

 

Visitor said:

Re #6,

If the Zoo or anyone else is finding difficulty understanding the poem as it is presented in Iraqi accent, I will be happy to provide the words. They are superb.

Let me know please.

October 3rd, 2012, 11:18 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

WOW, you really are wining the heart and mind of the people, even assuring the defeat of the army and the downfall of the regime. WHAT A FARCE. ALCIADA / MOSSAD all over it, take out the house of luceifer, that yellow temple please.

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October 3rd, 2012, 11:54 am

 

Warren said:

3 FSA suicide bombers killed before they could detonate their vests!

October 3rd, 2012, 12:12 pm

 

Syrian said:

افاد شهود وكالة فرانس برس ان العديد من القتلى والجرحى سقطوا في بلدة بجنوب شرق تركيا جراء قذائف اطلقت

الاربعاء من الجانب السوري للحدود.

وقال احد سكان بلدة اكجاكالي ان “امراة تمزق جسدها في انفجار امام عيني. هناك ايضا قتلى اخرون وجرحى بينهم اطفال”.

وتعرضت هذه البلدة في الايام الاخيرة لسقوط رصاص طائش وقذائف جراء المعارك المتقطعة المستمرة بين الجيش النظامي السوري والمقاتلين المعارضين في محيط موقع تل الابيض الحدودي السوري.
http://youkal.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65239%3A2012-10-03-13-59-08&catid=54%3A2011-04-29-12-25-44&Itemid=126

October 3rd, 2012, 12:16 pm

 

Warren said:

Sunnis helping Sunnis.

Palestinians in Kuwait – 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFhRd9kbVg

Syrians in Jordan – 2012

October 3rd, 2012, 12:17 pm

 

Citizen said:

American Cholera, relocating to Syria

Secret deals for transfering al-Qaeda fighters, weapons from Yemen to Syria
Hundreds of al-Qaeda fighters left Yemen to Syria to join the fight against Bashar al-Asad’s forces, said different media sources.

Yemen Observer had published a report attributed to Sheikh Tariq al-Fadhly as saying that hundreds of al-Qaeda fighters were transported from Abyan province in south Yemen to Syria.

Al-Fadli announced that there was a deal for evacuating al-Qaeda fighters from Yemen and sending them to Syria to join the fight against the Syrian regime.
He said that Saudi Arabia is sponsoring this deal and that the fighters were sent to Syria through Turkey.

“The sudden withdrawal of al-Qaeda militants from the two cities of Zinjubar and Ja’ar in Abyan province is connected to a conclusive deal recently made to have groups of armed men relocated to Syria to partake in the war against the Syrian regime, al-Fadhli told the Adenalghd local news site.

Later in the month the British based Guardian newspaper affirmed that hundreds of international fighters have flocked to Syria to join the war against Bashar al-Assad’ government.

Sheikh Tariq al-Fadhli is a veteran Arab Afghan Jihadist who is currently one of the key leaders of the southern movement.

Some are fresh-faced idealists driven by hatred for Assad, while some are jihadi veterans from Iraq, Yemen and Afghanistan.

According to the Guardian, to reach the country, foreign fighters have crossed borders with forged passports and dodge secret services.

The fighters have been dispersed among different jihadi organizations, including Ahrar al-Sham (“the Free Men of Syria”) and Jabhat al-Nusra (“the Front for the Aid of the People of the Levant”).

These fighters are also secretive, especially when dealing with the Free Syria Army.
Meanwhile the German Die Welt newspaper revealed that a report issued by the German intelegence uncovered that only 5 percent of the Syrian Free army are of Syrian national and that the rest are jihadists brought from other Arab and Islamic countries, including Yemen……
http://www.yobserver.com/local-news/10022326.html

October 3rd, 2012, 12:26 pm

 

MK JCNJ said:

The destruction of the Syrian state and the fracturing of solidarity among the Syrian people is of great benefit to the U.S. ruling class (the 1%) and its allies in the Gulf (the feudel monarchies) and Occupied Palestine (the Zionists).

The retreat from the Middle East and Central Asia has begun after defeats in Iraq and Afghanistan. The poorest country in the world – Afghanistan – has forced the U.S./NATO occupation into a withdrawal that speeds up every day.

The new plan appears to leave behind either chaos or puppets – it doesn’t matter – as long as the oil extracted in the region continues to flow to the U.S. and Western Europe along with the super profits that go along with it.

With cities and schools in the U.S. starving for funds – why would the Obama Administration send ten of million of dollars to fund an insurrection in Syria? It’s just like funding the Contras in Nicaragua in the 1980’s. Destroy those who won’t go along with your plans.

October 3rd, 2012, 12:27 pm

 

Citizen said:

NATO Cholera, relocating to Aleppo
NATO Terrorists Mass Slaughter Civilians in Aleppo, Syria
NATO-backed terrorism swept the northern Syrian city of Aleppo this week, killing and maiming scores of civilians. Al Qaeda-style car bombings targeted public squares throughout the city in a coordinated attack the Western press has attempted to claim was “targeting government forces.”

CNN in their article, “Syria: Dozens killed in blasts at Aleppo public square,” bases this conclusion on the discredited “Syrian Observatory for Human Rights,” a single man, Rami Abdelrahman, who is admittedly a biased member of the so-called “Syrian opposition,” based not in Syria but in Coventry England disingenuously posing as an entire “human rights organization.”….
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/nato-terrorists-mass-slaughter.html

October 3rd, 2012, 12:31 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

Devout Moslems in Britain at their best:

October 3rd, 2012, 12:34 pm

 

ghufran said:

it is abundantly clear that the rebels are losing grounds in Aleppo both on the battle field and in public opinion, the criminal car bombs drew angry responses,of course, most of which was directed at the rebels, many also asked whether Syrians have to choose between two evils,the regime and the rebels. I do not know who will benefit from the bloodshed and destruction except Israel and Al-Qaida-type groups, the fear now is that this bombing campaign will spread to other cities since rebels are unable to control any of the Syrian cities.
it tells a lot about how rebel supporters think by checking the response to the bombing in Aleppo, a city that defied the odds and the rebels too.

October 3rd, 2012, 12:40 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

Moslems with Zionist help defiling humanity :

October 3rd, 2012, 12:41 pm

 

Warren said:

Christians held hostage in Syria

In addition to the 150 civilians who were detained earlier, another 130 Christians have been kidnapped in the village of Rableh, in western Syria on the border with Lebanon, by armed gangs in the area, creating a group of 280 hostages.

Local sources of Agenzia Fides, the information service of the Pontifical Mission Societies, report the hostages were crammed into a school in the village of Gousseh, while the kidnappers released the women that had been stopped previously. The armed kidnappers announced that they intend to wait for their head and then discuss any possible ransom.

The news agency reports: “In the Christian community of Rableh there is a lot of fear as yesterday three Christians, who had been kidnapped in the village of Said Naya a few days ago, were found murdered on the side of a road.”

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christians.held.hostage.in.syria/30737.htm

October 3rd, 2012, 12:43 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

Did Mohammad exists? Read the book..:

October 3rd, 2012, 12:44 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Fegleh
Addounia Tv knocked on my relatives door and said either you open up or we shoot you. They wanted to film from their balcony. #Aleppo

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/fegleh-addounia-tv-knocked-on-my-relatives-door/

October 3rd, 2012, 12:45 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

The shocking video Muslims don’t want you to see!!

October 3rd, 2012, 12:47 pm

 

Syrian said:

رويترز: وزير الخارجية التركي يناقش الانتهاكات السورية ضد انقرة مع امين عام الناتو

Reutersبان جي مون يحث تركيا على تجنب التوتر مع سوريا بشأن قذيفة المورتر

October 3rd, 2012, 12:50 pm

 

Wareen said:

Palestinians ditched; Egypt next?
By Spengler

“No one cares about the Palestinians,” I wrote in this space two years ago [1], and since then the world has stopped funding them. As a result, the Palestine Authority is collapsing, comments Khalid Elgindy, a former PA adviser, on the website of the Council on Foreign Relations, about “the wave of Palestinian protests that swept through the Israeli-occupied West Bank this month [and] … virtually paralyzed life in Palestinian cities, with scenes reminiscent of the first intifada”.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI29Ak01.html

Palestinians once more revert to type demonstrating once again what back stabbers they are!

Hamas and the Palestinian people will regret betraying Syria, Al Assad provided support and safety for Hamas when no one else would. Syria & Iran risked everything in supporting the Palestinian cause, now these Sunni ingrates mock and conspire against the same countries that helped them for so many years.

Turkey, Qatar & Wahhabistan will not hesitate to ditch the Palestinians once they start feeling pressure from the US, West and Israel. Watch!

Turkey, Qatar & Saudistan will never risk their economies and their regimes’ survival on promoting the Palestinian cause.

October 3rd, 2012, 1:02 pm

 

ann said:

Why Qatar wants to invade Syria – Sep 28, 2012

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI28Ak03.html

Make no mistake; the Emir of Qatar is on a roll.

What an entrance at the UN General Assembly in New York; Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani called for an Arab coalition of the willing-style invasion of Syria, no less. [1]

In the words of the Emir, “It is better for the Arab countries themselves to interfere out of their national, humanitarian, political and military duties, and to do what is necessary to stop the bloodshed in Syria.” He stressed Arab countries had a “military duty” to invade.

What he means by “Arab countries” is the petromonarchies of the Gulf Counter-Revolution Club (GCC), previously known as Gulf Cooperation Council – with implicit help from Turkey, with which

the GCC has a wide-ranging strategic agreement. Every shisha house in the Middle East knows that Doha, Riyadh and Ankara have been weaponizing/financing/providing logistical help to the various strands of the armed Syrian opposition engaged in regime change.

The Emir even quoted a “similar precedent” for an invasion, when “Arab forces intervened in Lebanon” in the 1970s. By the way, during a great deal of the 1970s the Emir himself was engaged in more mundane interventions, such as letting his hair down alongside other Gulf royals in select Club Med destinations, as this photo attests (he’s the guy on the left).

So is the Emir now preaching an Arab version of the R2P (“responsibility to protect”) doctrine advanced by The Three Graces of Humanitarian Intervention (Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power)?

This is certainly bound to go down well in Washington – not to mention Ankara and even Paris, considering French president Francois Hollande has just called for UN protection of “liberated zones” in Syria.

As for the Emir’s Lebanon precedent, that’s not exactly uplifting, to say the least. The so-called Arab Deterrent Force of 20,000 soldiers that entered Lebanon to try to contain the civil war overstayed its welcome by no less than seven years, turned into a Syrian military occupation of northern Lebanon, left officially in 1982 and still the civil war kept raging.

Imagine a similar scenario in Syria – on steroids.

A ‘pretty influential guy’
As for the Emir’s humanitarian – not to mention democratic – ardor, it’s enlightening to check out what US President Barack Obama thinks about it. Obama – who defines the Emir as a “pretty influential guy” – seems to imply that even though “he himself is not reforming significantly” and “there’s no big move towards democracy in Qatar”, just because the emirate’s per capita income is humongous, a move towards democracy is not so pressing.

So let’s assume the Emir is not exactly interested in turning Syria into Scandinavia. That opens the way to an inevitable motive – connected to, what else, Pipelineistan.

Vijay Prashad, author of the recent Arab Spring, Libya Winter, is currently writing a series on the Syria Contact Group for Asia Times Online. He got a phone call from an energy expert urging him to investigate “the Qatari ambition to run its pipelines into Europe.” According to this source, “the proposed route would have run through Iraq and Turkey. The former transit country is posing to be a problem. So much easier to go north (Qatar has already promised Jordan free gas).”

Even before Prashad concludes his investigation, it’s clear what Qatar is aiming at; to kill the US$10 billion Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline, a deal that was clinched even as the Syria uprising was already underway. [2]

Here we see Qatar in direct competition with both Iran (as a producer) and Syria (as a destination), and to a lesser extent, Iraq (as a transit country). It’s useful to remember that Tehran and Baghdad are adamantly against regime change in Damascus.

The gas will come from the same geographical/geological base – South Pars, the largest gas field in the world, shared by Iran and Qatar. The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline – if it’s ever built – would solidify a predominantly Shi’ite axis through an economic, steel umbilical cord.

Qatar, on the other hand, would rather build its pipeline in a non-“Shi’ite crescent” way, with Jordan as a destination; exports would leave from the Gulf of Aqaba to the Gulf of Suez and then to the Mediterranean. That would be the ideal plan B as negotiations with Baghdad become increasingly complicated (plus the fact the route across Iraq and Turkey is much longer).

Washington – and arguably European customers – would be more than pleased with a crucial Pipelineistan gambit bypassing the Islamic Gas Pipeline.

And of course, if there’s regime change in Syria – helped by the Qatari-proposed invasion – things get much easier in Pipelineistan terms. A more than probable Muslim Brotherhood (MB) post-Assad regime would more than welcome a Qatari pipeline. And that would make an extension to Turkey much easier.

Ankara and Washington would win. Ankara because Turkey’s strategic aim is to become the top energy crossroads from the Middle East/Central Asia to Europe (and the Islamic Gas Pipeline bypasses it). Washington because its whole energy strategy in Southwest Asia since the Clinton administration has been to bypass, isolate and hurt Iran by all means necessary. [3]

That wobbly Hashemite throne
All this points to Jordan as an essential pawn in Qatar’s audacious geopolitical/energy power play. Jordan has been invited to be part of the GCC – even though it’s not exactly in the Persian Gulf (who cares? It’s a monarchy).

One of the pillars of Qatar’s foreign policy is unrestricted support for the MB – no matter the latitude. The MB has already conquered the presidency in Egypt. It is strong in Libya. It may become the dominant power if there’s regime change in Syria. That brings us to Qatar’s help to the MB in Jordan.

At the moment, Jordan’s Hashemite monarchy is wobbly – and that’s a transcendental understatement.

There’s a steady influx of Syrian refugees. Compound it with the Palestinian refugees that came in waves during the crucial phases of the Arab-Israeli war, in 1948, 1967 and 1973. Then add a solid contingent of Salafi-jihadis fighting Damascus. Only a few days ago one Abu Usseid was arrested. His uncle was none other than Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the infamous former head of al-Qaeda in Iraq, killed in 2006. Usseid was about to cross the desert from Jordan to Syria.

Amman has been mired in protests since January 2011 – even before the spread of the Arab Spring. King Abdullah, also known as King Playstation, and photogenic Washington/Hollywood darling Queen Rania, have not been spared.

The MB in Jordan is not the only player in the protest wave; unions and social movements are also active. Most protesters are Jordanians – who historically have been in control of all levels of state bureaucracy. But then neo-liberalism reduced them to road kill; Jordan went through a savage privatization drive during the 1990s. The impoverished kingdom now depends on the IMF and extra handouts from the US, the GCC and even the EU.

Parliament is a joke – dominated by tribal affiliation and devotion to the monarchy. Reforms are not even cosmetic. A prime minister was changed in April and most people didn’t even noticed it. In an Arab world classic, the regime fights demands for change by increasing repression.

Into this quagmire steps Qatar. Doha wants King Playstation to embrace Hamas. It was Qatar that promoted the meeting in January between the King and Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal – who had been expelled from Jordan in 1999. That left indigenous Jordanians wondering whether the kingdom would be swamped by yet another wave of Palestinian refugees.

Arab media – most of it controlled by the House of Saud – has been drowning in stories and editorials predicting that after the MB ascends to power in Damascus, Amman will be next. Qatar, though, is binding its time. The MB wants Jordan to become a constitutional monarchy; then they will take over politically after an electoral reform that King Abdullah has been fighting against for years.

Now the MB can even count on the support of Bedouin tribes, whose traditional allegiance to the Hashemite throne has never been wobblier. The regime has ignored protests at its own peril. The MB has called for a mass demonstration against the King on October 10. The Hashemite throne is going down, sooner rather than later.

[…]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI28Ak03.html

October 3rd, 2012, 1:04 pm

 

ann said:

Western Powers Double Down on Syria’s Destruction – October 1, 2012

http://www.infowars.com/western-powers-double-down-on-syrias-destruction/

The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those, who in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.” – Dante

The world watches as a nation is torn, slow motion, at the seams. Money and geopolitics has caused a feeding frenzy of western nations biting and tearing at Syria, all hoping to profit from the regime’s destruction.

Toward this effort, England, France, and the United States announced increased support to the “rebels” of Syria. The Obama administration promised $45 million more in funding for aid that has now totaled $175 million (is it any wonder there are budget problems inside the U.S.?).

And although much of the U.S. aid is designated as “humanitarian,” this money will directly help the military mission by bolstering the prestige of opposition groups, who will use the U.S. aid to gain adherents by being able to feed and house refugees fleeing the destruction (assuming that not all of this money will simply be used to buy guns).

Of course there is no accounting of the amount of money and arms the CIA is funneling into the country. But even The NewYork Times has admitted the CIA’s involvement; in June it wrote:

“A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers…the weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.”

There you have the Syrian opposition in a nutshell: groups of mercenaries funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United States and France, and the Muslim Brotherhood inside Syria. All of these groups have their own self-interest in toppling the Syrian government, while destroying the country and its people in the process.

Saudi Arabia has used the Muslim Brotherhood as a key tool in its foreign policy for decades, funding the organization in countries all over the Middle East and North Africa. When Saudi Arabia beckons, the Muslim Brotherhood and associated groups can be used to destabilize “unfriendly” regimes in the name of “jihad” — officially declared by clerics who work in tandem with the Saudi Arabian government to recruit fighters for the effort. This is why there are “terrorist” groups now fighting to overthrow the Syrian government, including Al Qaeda — itself born from the purse strings of Saudi Arabia, like the Taliban (there is an excellent chapter about this dynamic in Vijay Prashad’s book, the Darker Nations).

It is very revealing that, after the U.S. has spent hundreds of millions of dollars and large amounts of weaponry has been trafficked into the country, the Syrian government still controls the vast majority of the country. This is because the majority of people inside Syria do not support the so-called Syrian Opposition. If this were the case, the Syrian government would have long since been overthrown. The revolutionaries of Egypt and Tunisia did not need any outside help in toppling their government, nor large amounts of money or weaponry.

Therefore, the steady destruction of Syria will continue until it reaches a Libya-like crescendo: a “no fly zone” will be the goal of the western powers, with the motive of toppling the regime.

But like in Libya, a no fly zone equals total war. Syria has advanced Russian-made surface-to-air missiles, which must be destroyed to enforce such a no fly zone. Syria also has fighter jets that must be destroyed. Additional ground support must be destroyed. And like Libya, once the bombs start dropping, the mission quickly changes from a “no fly zone” to “regime change,” i.e., war.

But Syria has a much more powerful army than Libya, requiring that the U.S. military become directly involved in the war, as opposed to outsourcing the conflict to England and France as they did in Libya. Only the U.S. military and its subordinate allies have the required weapons to deal with Syria’s Russian-made weaponry.

But the American people hate war, and thus the U.S. government must introduce the Syrian war slowly, through non-stop anti-Syria media coverage, in the hopes that opinion polls shift enough to allow direct military intervention, as opposed to the current indirect type.

What do the people of Syria really want? The NewYork Times revealed that, inside Syria, a group of twenty opposition groups recently met in Syria’s capital to demand that Syria’s democratic transition happen peacefully, in effect denouncing the armed rebels who are being funded by foreign nations.

The international implications of this war have already begun to manifest. Neighboring countries are experiencing stress and destabilization by the flood of refugees from Syria. The Kurds in Syria may soon call for independence, which will incite further violence from Turkey. Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, and Iran will work doubly hard to re-enforce the Syrian government as western powers do the opposite.

Ethnic and religious tensions are being stoked in all neighboring countries, which has already led to violence and will be used by politicians in those countries for political aims, leading to more violence. It’s also possible if an official war is declared against Syria, other powers will use the chaos as a shield to pursue their own interests —Israel for example, may opportunistically bomb Iran. Whatever the course of events, the emerging war in Syria has the potential not only to turn the Middle East into dust, but to drag larger powers like Russia — an ally of Syria — into conflict with the United States.

[…]

http://www.infowars.com/western-powers-double-down-on-syrias-destruction/

October 3rd, 2012, 1:11 pm

 

norman said:

That Square is named after the Grandfather of Manaf Talas.

October 3rd, 2012, 1:18 pm

 

Citizen said:

US Cholera, behind EU wildfires, eyes on WMDs – Russia’s security chief

October 3rd, 2012, 1:21 pm

 

Warren said:

16. Syrian Natonalist Party

The Sex Offenders are all Pakistanis like Uzair. These devout bearded Salafi Pakis like to groom and abuse poor uneducated white Christian girls. It happens all the time, but when you mention this to Pakis like Uzair, they start screaming “racism” and “islamophobia”.

Pakis whether they be in their homeland or abroad, are a disgrace to humanity!

Calls To Put Pakistan On Genocide Watch Amid Mounting Persecution Of Its Religious Minorities

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6704.htm

October 3rd, 2012, 1:23 pm

 

annie said:

How to Advocate the Capitulation of a Revolution Without Actually Using the Word “Surrender”
September 8, 2012
Amjad Of Arabia

A few days ago, the Open Democracy website published an article by “Rita from Syria”, a Damascus based Syrian activist. Titled “The FSA: how to lose support and alienate people in no time“, the writer bemoaned the growing trend towards the militarization of the initially peaceful Syrian Revolution. Civilian activists now feel increasingly insignificant and sidelined, unable to shape events. Syrian towns and villages that shelter the Free Syrian Army suffer under increasingly bloody reprisals and punitive assaults by the Assad regime. The FSA is accused of “miscalculations”, and challenged to “win back its credibility”.

The most telling sentence in the entire article is a quote from “Raghda”, a woman who recently lost her job at a publishing firm; “I just want to continue my life. I don’t see an end to this armed conflict. I agree with the rightful demands of the opposition, but if this means bringing a halt to my life then I will stand against them”

Which is as close one can get to advocating capitulation, without actually using the word “surrender”

Let us be clear on one thing; Assad cannot win this fight. He cannot defeat a guerrilla movement that has spread to nearly every single village, town and city in the county. The FSA, with little to no outside support, has managed the grind the region’s largest military into a stalemate. Whereas in Hama this time last year, twenty tanks were sufficient to bring the entire city to heel after the massive demonstrations in the Orontes Square, now those same twenty tanks are the regime’s loses on a good day.

So what’s a tin-pot dictator to do? What every tyrant on the ropes has done; go after the segment of ones opponents lest able to defend themselves. Just as Hitler desperately tried to knock the British out of World War 2 by indiscriminately pounding London with V-1 and V-2 rockets (thereby killing more civilians in England than his army managed to do on the field in the European theaters of war), the regime’s policy and actions has been to subject areas sympathetic to the FSA to the maximum amount of suffering and bloodshed as possible.

If Assad cannot beat the FSA’s soldiers in Aleppo, his airforce bombs their home towns from the air. Eventually, the logic goes, the misery of the civilian population will be so great, that they will discourage or actively deny the FSA shelter and space for movement. In the case of the recently unemployed Raghda, that seems to have worked. The only way the FSA can lose this fight is if enough of the Syrian population become convinced that the losses and suffering are too great, and the prospects for overthrowing the regime too remote.

In any war, the resilience of the societies engaged in war matters as much as the number and quality of arms those societies deploy. Long before Hitler got around to invading France in 1940, a defeatist mentality had already taken hold of much of French political society and its upper military echelons. The Battle of France had been lost long before the first German tanks broke through the Ardennes.

Rita is correct when she writes “FSA leaders should take heed that a guerrilla army can only attain success if it is mindful of its relationship to the people”. However, laying the blame at the feet of the FSA is misplaced, even if it is convenient from Rita’s point of view. No army in the world can protect every civilian center if its opponent engages in a deliberate policy of targeting those areas. It is the FSA’s job to wear down as much of the regime’s military machinery as possible, and it is the civilian opposition’s job to make sure that the regime pays, in terms of political and popular support, as a result of any disproportionate and indiscriminate retribution by the Assad army against the civilian population.

Or maybe scope of responsibilities isn’t so clear cut in the minds of the revolution’s civilian activists. To quote Rita’s article;

“Armed with a deep conviction in our revolution rather than any heavy weapons, the embryonic FSA used to keep watch in the alleys and alert us to the coming of regime forces and the shabiha.”

Alleys. Alleys and side-streets. Defectors, risking their lives by carrying arms to defend a 15 minute demonstration in some alleyway or side-street, the end result of which would be a few minutes uploaded to Youtube or some material for Al-Jazeera to stream. Amazing that the FSA waited so long and so patiently before concluding, correctly, that the regime was never going to fall through flash demonstrations in some darkened neighborhood corner. The civilian activists had plenty of time to make some tangible headway, to provide some accomplishments to justify the thousands of dead, thousands more wounded, and untold tens of thousands of disappeared and imprisoned.

A military aspect of a society only rises in prominence above that of the civilian, when the latter proves utterly incapable of meeting the challenges of the day. If the civilian activists feel sidelined, it is because in the 20 months of the revolution, they have in all honesty provided next to no tangible accomplishments on behalf of the revolution.

The Assad regime is one that has, as the most recent ICG report stated, mutated into little more than a militia. It doesn’t care for the loss of its border points with Turkey, or the loss of the areas in the north east of Syria to Kurdish control, as long as Assad’s core constituency retains power in the ever decreasing areas still under their control. Do the civilian “no arms lets turn the clock back to when we were demonstrating in the side streets” camp have ANY plan or solution to deal with such a regime? Not likely, if present perceptions of the SNC are anything to go by.

What exactly is required of the FSA? To lay down their arms? And will that turn to clock back to the days before the Dar’a protests? Anyone who thinks is is incredibly naive. A regime that triumphed through the use of terror and brute force will feel that the same formula is an acceptable one to apply to maintain power. Periodic mass arrests and show trials will be the norm. Towns and cities that were most prominent in the revolution will be neglected economically, its people cut off from government jobs. Every once in a while a staged car bomb will go off, to keep people on edge and remind them of the ever present danger of a return to the “bad old days” if the regime wasn’t around to “maintain stability”. And in thirty years’ time, little Hafiz will take the reins of power. But hey, at least Raghda got to “live her life”.

Which is the part of the article I personally find most disgusting and reprehensible. Saying that one is for the revolution as long as it doesn’t get in the way of one’s work, career, dates, love-life, TV-shows, is akin to saying that one would like to compete in the Olympics, if it wasn’t for all the hard training required.

Yep, I’d like to buy a house, if it wasn’t for the mortgage payments needed.

I’d like to go to Harvard to study medicine, but damn those SATs and entrance exams are a real roadblock.

I’d looooove to live in a democracy, as long as someone else is doing the heavy lifting and suffering, and a civil and free society is handed to me on a silver plater. Oh, and someone else can vote for me and keep the vigilance and sense of civic responsibility required to maintain any democracy.

One would have thought that the revolution would have at least freed us from the idea that we are entitled to the best the world has to offer without the need to put in any effort. Sadly, we are not all Al-Assads and get to inherit a country from our daddies. To say that one is against the revolution because it has gotten in the way of our lives, is tantamount to surrender. Our will has been broken, the price has become too high to pay. Brute force and tyranny have won, and just as long as the tyrants leave us to return to our miserable existence, we will soon forget the more than 20,000 Syrians whose lives were cut short, or the thousands of wounded and crippled, or the hundreds of thousands of refugees for whom returning will never be an option. People for whom carrying on with their “interrupted” lives is not an option.

If the civilian activists feel impotent, it is because for many months they acted like they were impotent, with only the FSA between them and annihilation at the hands of Assad’s shabihas. For how long was the FSA expected to carry and babysit an ineffectual civilian movement. No one wants to turn to arms as a first choice, but the Syrian Revolution found itself doing so as a result of the situation forced on it. For over a month, Baba Amr in Homs was subjected to massive artillery and tank assaults. The world community yawned a collective yawn and changed the channel. Were it not for the FSA, non of the 24,000 civilians who made it out, or the well known media personalities and foreign journalists trapped inside, would have come out of there.

If the civilian activists want to regain leadership of the revolution, then it is about time they did something to earn the mantle of leadership. The British did not whine and blame Churchill for the destruction wrought by Hitler’s bombers on their cities, and as a result their “finest hour” has become the stuff of legend.

The only way Assad can win this war is if we hand him victory. I myself spent ten days on the edges of Baba Amr while the army pounded the area. My close family has lost two homes, completely destroyed in the fighting. I have relatives who were and are imprisoned. Several distant family members were lost to us. I know full well the burden of taking on a vicious, unrestrained and barbaric regime. If the civilian activists have a better way than the one the FSA is pursuing, no one will be happier than me to hear it.

Otherwise, talk of the FSA laying down its arms is just a not-too-thinly-veiled plea by those whose will have been broken, for the revolution to surrender. I don’t judge people harshly if they feel they cannot carry the burden anymore, everyone has their own circumstances and pain-threshold. But I at least expect them to have the self-respect and decency to call what they are asking for by its proper name; capitulation and surrender to the Assad tyranny.

October 3rd, 2012, 1:26 pm

 

ann said:

Press TV Journalist Killed By Sniper Was Investigating Turkey Sending Al-Qaeda Terrorists Into Syria – September 27, 2012

Killing of Journalist Maya Naser in Damascus tied to his investigation into Turkey War Crimes

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/killing-of-journalist-maya-naser-in-damascus-possibly-tied-to-his-investigation-into-turkey-war-crimes/

By Christof Lehmann – Wednesday morning the renown journalist Maya Naser was shot dead by a sniper while he was reporting from the scene of two bomb blasts in central Damascus. Maya Naser was working for PRESS TV and Al–Alam in Damascus. The PRESS TV station chief Hussein Mortada was wounded in the event but is recovering from his injuries. Journalists are frequently targeted by the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the variety of radical Islamist terrorist organizations which have been attracted to Syria since the onset of the attempted subversion in March 2011. The timing of the assassination indicates that Maya Naser may have been targeted because he came dangerously close to revealing serious war crimes of the Turkish government.

Since early 2011 more than 20 journalists have been killed in Syria. In some incidents journalists have been captured, tortured and executed. In at least one incident a journalist has been shot dead by FSA troops in an attempt to scapegoat the Syrian military. Bombs exploded in buildings of Syrian Radio and TV.

The targeting of journalists coincides with concerted efforts to deprive Syrian media from reporting on the crisis from a Syrian perspective. On the initiative of the Arab League, and in violation of international law, both Nilesat and Arabsat stopped carrying Syrian Radio and TV signals over their satellite services in June. Meanwhile, western and and western allied Arab news services continue misrepresenting facts about the crisis in Syria.

In several well documented cases, Al Jazeera employees were directly involved in provoking or organizing the violence which was than broadcasted to defame the Syrian military and government. BBC re-used a photo with victims of the war on Iraq, claiming them to be victims of Syrian military forces. CNN´s Awra Damon filed numerous false reports. Her work is documented in an exposé by Scot Creighton. (1)

Western and western allied media coverage seems to underline the NATO doctrine that absolute image control is part of every modern warfare operation. Combine this with the fact that a US Special Forces training circular from 2010 admits that the USA for the foreseeable future will predominantly be involved in irregular war (2), and NATO´s perception of the subversion in Libya in 2011 as teachable moment and model for future interventions (3) it would not be exactly alarmist to state that Syrian journalists are being systematically targeted to secure absolute image control.

Knowing what Maya Naser has been investigating during the last days of his life gives a clear indication of which images the FSA and the Turkish government want to control.

During the last days, leading up to the assassination of Maya Naser and the wounding of the Al-Alam and PRESS TV station chief in Damascus, Hussein Mortada, Maya was investigating a case which had the potential to lead to the impeachment of the Erdogan led government of Turkey and indictments for serious war crimes and human rights violations.

Earlier this month the Workers´Party – Turkey filed criminal charges for the Turkish governments support of the Free Syrian Army and related terrorist groups. Only days before his assassination, Maya Naser entered into an ad hoc investigative alliance into the war crimes and human rights violation of the Turkish government with leading members of the Workers´Party Turkey, international lawyer Christopher Black, and the author of this article.

Maya Naser could not only confirm many of the Workers´Party´s allegations against the Turkish government, he could provide the evidence.

In an correspondences to the Foreign Affairs Secretary of the Workers´Party, Harun Çakan, international lawyer Christopher Black, and the author of this article, Maya Naser confirmed that thousands of insurgents have been infiltrated into Syria via Turkey over the last few weeks. He also confirmed that some of the SAM-7 missiles which recently had been shipped from Libya, via Turkey had begun appearing in the hands of insurgents in Syria.

According to Maya Naser´s information, the bulk of these insurgents came from other Arab countries as well as Afghanistan. Turkish insurgents who had been captured or killed in Syria usually held supervisory and command positions and seemed better trained than the average insurgent. The Workers´Party – Turkey accuses the Turkish government for using the Apaydin refugee camp in Hatay to house, train and supervise FSA insurgents. (4)

Maya Naser could not only corroborate these allegations. His detailed information about the identity of some of the killed and captured insurgents could potentially result in the impeachment of the Erdogan led Turkish government.

Almost one month ago, Maya Naser wrote, ”while I was covering the military operations in Aleppo, we saw the ID documents of 13 Turkish insurgents. When checking their identities we discovered that one of the fighters was the brother of the 2003 HSBC bomber from Istanbul”.” Such information”, Maya Naser wrote, ”led us to believe that the Turkish government is sending those convicted or under suspicion of being Al-Qaeda members to fight as insurgents in Syria”.

In subsequent, personal conversations between Maya Naser and the author of the article, he reiterated that there is further evidence that corroborates the suspicion that the government of Turkey is sending prisoners who have received a death sentence and those who serve life time sentences to Syria as an opportunity to be released from prison and as a chance to clear their record.

International lawyer Christopher Black responded to Maya Naser´s information, stating that if his information was correct, then the Turkish government is committing a war crime under the Rome Statute, which forbids forced service of non-combatants in war.

According to Christopher Black it would be possible to file a complaint with the ICC against Turkey and NATO if corroborating evidence could be produced, stating that if Turkey is involved in these crimes, then its partners are equally guilty.

Two days later Maya Naser was shot by a sniper when he and his cameraman rushed to the scene of a double bomb attack in Damascus. Whether the timing of the assassination is coincidental or not it is certain that the death of Maya Naser may delay an investigation. It will not stop it.

[…]

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/killing-of-journalist-maya-naser-in-damascus-possibly-tied-to-his-investigation-into-turkey-war-crimes/

October 3rd, 2012, 1:32 pm

 

ann said:

Press TV Journalist Killed By Sniper Was Investigating Turkey Sending Al-Qaeda Terrorists Into Syria – September 27, 2012

Killing of Journalist Maya Naser in Damascus tied to his investigation into Turkey War Crimes

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/killing-of-journalist-maya-naser-in-damascus-possibly-tied-to-his-investigation-into-turkey-war-crimes/

By Christof Lehmann –

[…]

Knowing what Maya Naser has been investigating during the last days of his life gives a clear indication of which images the FSA and the Turkish government want to control.

During the last days, leading up to the assassination of Maya Naser and the wounding of the Al-Alam and PRESS TV station chief in Damascus, Hussein Mortada, Maya was investigating a case which had the potential to lead to the impeachment of the Erdogan led government of Turkey and indictments for serious war crimes and human rights violations.

Earlier this month the Workers´Party – Turkey filed criminal charges for the Turkish governments support of the Free Syrian Army and related terrorist groups. Only days before his assassination, Maya Naser entered into an ad hoc investigative alliance into the war crimes and human rights violation of the Turkish government with leading members of the Workers´Party Turkey, international lawyer Christopher Black, and the author of this article.

Maya Naser could not only confirm many of the Workers´Party´s allegations against the Turkish government, he could provide the evidence.

In an correspondences to the Foreign Affairs Secretary of the Workers´Party, Harun Çakan, international lawyer Christopher Black, and the author of this article, Maya Naser confirmed that thousands of insurgents have been infiltrated into Syria via Turkey over the last few weeks. He also confirmed that some of the SAM-7 missiles which recently had been shipped from Libya, via Turkey had begun appearing in the hands of insurgents in Syria.

According to Maya Naser´s information, the bulk of these insurgents came from other Arab countries as well as Afghanistan. Turkish insurgents who had been captured or killed in Syria usually held supervisory and command positions and seemed better trained than the average insurgent. The Workers´Party – Turkey accuses the Turkish government for using the Apaydin refugee camp in Hatay to house, train and supervise FSA insurgents. (4)

Maya Naser could not only corroborate these allegations. His detailed information about the identity of some of the killed and captured insurgents could potentially result in the impeachment of the Erdogan led Turkish government.

Almost one month ago, Maya Naser wrote, ”while I was covering the military operations in Aleppo, we saw the ID documents of 13 Turkish insurgents. When checking their identities we discovered that one of the fighters was the brother of the 2003 HSBC bomber from Istanbul”.” Such information”, Maya Naser wrote, ”led us to believe that the Turkish government is sending those convicted or under suspicion of being Al-Qaeda members to fight as insurgents in Syria”.

In subsequent, personal conversations between Maya Naser and the author of the article, he reiterated that there is further evidence that corroborates the suspicion that the government of Turkey is sending prisoners who have received a death sentence and those who serve life time sentences to Syria as an opportunity to be released from prison and as a chance to clear their record.

International lawyer Christopher Black responded to Maya Naser´s information, stating that if his information was correct, then the Turkish government is committing a war crime under the Rome Statute, which forbids forced service of non-combatants in war.

According to Christopher Black it would be possible to file a complaint with the ICC against Turkey and NATO if corroborating evidence could be produced, stating that if Turkey is involved in these crimes, then its partners are equally guilty.

Two days later Maya Naser was shot by a sniper when he and his cameraman rushed to the scene of a double bomb attack in Damascus. Whether the timing of the assassination is coincidental or not it is certain that the death of Maya Naser may delay an investigation. It will not stop it.

[…]

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/killing-of-journalist-maya-naser-in-damascus-possibly-tied-to-his-investigation-into-turkey-war-crimes/

October 3rd, 2012, 1:35 pm

 

Warren said:

Syria Berates Hamas Chief, an Old Ally, on State TV

BEIRUT, Lebanon — State television in Syria issued a withering attack late Monday on a longtime ally, the leader of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, Khaled Meshal, addressing him as if he were an ungrateful child, saying he was having a “romantic emotional crisis” over the Syrian uprising and accusing him of selling out “resistance for power.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/world/middleeast/syrian-state-tv-lashes-out-at-hamas-leader-khaled-meshal.html?_r=0

________________________________________________________________

Palestinians once more revert to type demonstrating once again what back stabbers they are!

Hamas and the Palestinian people will regret betraying Syria, Al Assad provided support and safety for Hamas when no one else would. Syria & Iran risked everything in supporting the Palestinian cause, now these Sunni ingrates mock and conspire against the same countries that helped them for so many years!

Turkey, Qatar & Wahhabistan will not hesitate to ditch the Palestinians once they start feeling pressure from the US, West and Israel. Watch!

Turkey, Qatar & Saudistan will never risk their economies and their regimes’ survival on promoting the Palestinian cause.

October 3rd, 2012, 1:42 pm

 

Citizen said:

David Icke – The Falling Pawns & The Plan To Trigger World War 3 (Viewer Discretion Advised)

October 3rd, 2012, 1:52 pm

 
 

Warren said:

Syria Rebels Are The Same Salafi Extremists Attacking US Embassies

As Islamic militants of Saudi Arabia’s Salafi persuasion wage attacks on US embassies around the globe the alternative media is presented with a golden opportunity to point out that these are the same Islamic extremists the west is backing to overthrow the government of Syria.

Specifically, both the Syria rebels and the Islamic extremists launching attacks against western embassies are Salafi Jihadists.

Salafi Jihadists extend to include Al Qaeda and numerous other Islamic Jihad organizations.

These same Salafi Jihadists make up the rebel forces in Syria and conducted the attack on the US embassy in Libya and lynched the US Ambassador.

These Salafi extremists are now waging attacks on the embassies of the United States and its allies across the globe.

These Salafi Jihadist organizations are given different names depending on were they are located but regardless of the names they are given they are all subscribed to Saudi Arabia’s fundamentalist Salafi interpretation of Islam.

They are all controlled by Saudi Arabia’s religious leaders who also happen to be top-level Saudi government officials and they and do the bidding of Saudi controlled Islamic organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/09/16/syria-rebels-salafi-extremists-attacking-embassies-185111/

October 3rd, 2012, 2:06 pm

 
 

Uzair8 said:

16. Syrian Nationalist Party

SNP, with all due respect you could have found material that wasn’t from the vile and racist BNP? Gross generalisation.

And there is nothing devout about these people (groomers) and they neither look devout. They are low-life criminals who belong in jail. This ‘grooming’ is not a muslim thing or an asian or cultural. It’s like saying Shabeeha represent Islam. Such ‘grooming’ is known to occur amongst people of all backgrounds.

The police failed to do their duty and protect the vulnerable. It has come out that they were even aware of such things but out of fear of sensitive racial concerns they did nothing. The authorities also failed the victims of such abuse. Regardless, all this doesn’t excuse the criminals.

Yesterday while visiting the Socialist Worker site for syria related content, I happened to come across a related story.

Rotherham: the real factors behind the sex abuse scandal
Tue 2 Oct 2012

A series of leaked documents relating to cases of sexual exploitation in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, were published by The Times newspaper last week.

The documents—some going back over a decade—lay out how the authorities systematically failed to prevent the abuse of dozens of teenage girls.

Five men were jailed in 2010 for a total of 32 and half years in one case of sexual abuse and grooming in the town.

The revelations have sparked renewed claims from commentators and politicians that the crimes were a “cultural” problem caused by the Asian community—and that they were ignored because of “politically correct” concerns over racism.

But social workers in Rotherham give a very different account of why the authorities failed to stop the abuse. “I’m not surprised young women fell through the safety net,” one social worker based in the town told Socialist Worker

Read more:

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=29692

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Anyway, there is a serious issue and one which needs addressing. We can do without the bigots exploiting this opportunity for their own agendas. Embarrassment is one thing but justice is the most important. Such criminals must face justice. Their victims need justice. Such criminals will be terrified now and fearing the knock on the door (police). Other potential criminals must be deterred.

If you’re interested here are some Islamic forum threads with mainly UK pakistani muslims discussing the issue.

http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/topic/406952-pakistani-grooming-young-white-girls/

http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/topic/423621-britains-pakistani-sex-gangs/

http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/topic/425132-grooming-is-an-embarrassment-for-us-pakistani-girls/

Anyway, this is a Syria related forum so forgive me for going off-topic.

October 3rd, 2012, 2:18 pm

 

zoo said:

#6 Visitor

All religions have rituals of different intensities and richness, except a few arrogant sects who think they are superior and try to limit the rituals as they believe they are paganism and the work of the watchful Devil.

By the way, rituals involving blood and self inflicted wounds are forbidden in Iran. The practice is still found in Iraq, Lebanon and Pakistan and probably will disappear with time like similar practices in the christian religion disappeared.

Can you point me to a piece of religious art conceived and built by Saudis? If it exists, that may make my teeth grind.

October 3rd, 2012, 2:18 pm

 

habib said:

4. Visitor

5. Dawoud

Lol at Persians and Mongolians.

Anyone with a bit of historical knowledge knows that the Persians were themselves taught Shi’ism by Arabs from Iraq and Lebanon.

If “Mongolian” refers to Alawites, the fact is they might actually be the most indigenous population of Syria, with possible elements of pre-Abrahamic Levantine faith in their religion.

If anyone is foreign to Syria, it is the horde of Turks, Balkanites and Caucasians imported by the Ottomans.

October 3rd, 2012, 2:41 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor,

That was painful to watch. In my opinion there is nothing solemn about this masochistic “ritual”. We are created in the image of Allah and it is a duty to preserve that image.

October 3rd, 2012, 2:46 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo

..”arrogant sects who think they are superior and try to limit the rituals as they believe they are paganism and the work of the watchful Devil.”

I always admired about you your refrain from insulting someone else’ belief . The above statement insinuating Sunni Islam bring an “arrogant ” sect is a bigoted statement and you should reconsider. If one’s particular belief prohibit rituals, then it is not up to me or to you to call it arrogant . Am I wrong?

October 3rd, 2012, 2:51 pm

 

Citizen said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF8keti9iQ8
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper has received a World Statesman of the Year award from the Appeal of Conscience Foundation, a New York-based group founded by rabbi, Arthur Schneider.

Critics say that Stephen Harper’s award is a product of his willingness to whitewash Israel’s periodic violations of human rights along with his zealous support for Israel’s genocidal plots against Syria, Iran and any other country that challenges Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

The Canadian Prime Minister incurred criticism from political opponents for not going to the UN while in the Big Apple, preferring instead to spend his time at this exclusive event; a decision that analysts say symbolizes Canada’s departure from being an advocate of multilateralism.

Harper’s award was ostensibly given to him for what the group referred to as his “commitment to freedom, human rights, [and] peace”. However experts say the organization seems to have ignored the Canadian prime minister’s lack of support for such democratic values.

They note that the Harper government has supported wars of aggression in Afghanistan and Libya, is siding with the terrorist armed gangs in Syria, is accused of election fraud domestically and is cracking down on genuine human rights organizations and democratic institutions throughout Canada.

October 3rd, 2012, 2:52 pm

 

Visitor said:

The Zoo (#37) perhaps due to ITS environment only saw blood in the video I posted @ 6.

I guess the zoo-dwellers naturally get excited about the sight of blood. Perhaps it has the effect of opening up the appetite. Right, Zooey? Lunch time for you?

There is no mention of the poem recited in the background which is the main topic of the video while the visual is only meant to highlight the words.

If you understand one single verse, you would hurry to the closest pit to burry your head in. But you must be shameless even to offer a reply.

By the way the author is an ex-Shia.

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TARA 39 did you understand the poem?

October 3rd, 2012, 2:54 pm

 

Syrian said:

Breaking News: Turkey has struck targets in Syria in response to mortar strike across border: PM’s office
http://www.reuters.com/

October 3rd, 2012, 3:08 pm

 

Halabi said:

The protests in Tehran aren’t anti-Syria, they are against their theocracy that’s spending its blood and treasure on a criminal dictatorship in Syria while the Iranian economy collapses and the state becomes more isolated. Marg Bar Khameini

http://youtu.be/yJKCHErADXo

As for the bombing in Aleppo, I don’t think that the regime did it, even though one formerly pro-Assad (now neutral) friend in Aleppo said it’s very difficult to get through all the checkpoints in that area. The attackers could have had some help from inside Assad’s army or they were able to trick the elite Assad worshipers manning the checkpoints.

In any event, the destruction of the officer’s club once again demonstrates that Assad’s army can’t control its high-value assets and doesn’t care to. The only objective for this army is to unleash enough death and pain on the population so it can allow Assad and his cronies to rule the country as they did for decades. There is no other goal.

October 3rd, 2012, 3:09 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor,

I did not put effort to understand every word but I do not want a translation. While I do not shy away from expressing an opinion , I am against vilifying the others based on their practices and beliefs as long as these practices and believes do not impinge on others ‘ rights. The poem is meant to call them heretic and I do not agree with that.

Direct this time too.

October 3rd, 2012, 3:10 pm

 

Visitor said:

TARA 45,

You missed the best part by not putting that effort.

The poem does not call them heretics. It calls their mullahs (only) hypocrites and provides evidence to that effect.

I wouldn’t spend a second watching the visual if it wasn’t for the poem as I mentioned to the Zoo.

October 3rd, 2012, 3:16 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor

Then you may translate but I hope I do not regret the request.

October 3rd, 2012, 3:20 pm

 

Warren said:

Uzair

Who do you think you’re fooling? The Paki sex abusers were motivated by their culture and religion!

Why are these Pakis, abusing white uneducated vulnerable girls, and not girls from their own wretched Paki community?

These Paki sex offenders think it’s halal to abuse kaffir white girls and haram to abuse Paki girls. Just listen to what Baroness Warsi had to say on this! At least she as a Paki has a shred of decency and acknowledges these crimes are racially, culturally and religiously motivated!

Some Pakistani men see white women as ‘fair game’, says Baroness Warsi

A small minority of Pakistani men see white women as “third-class citizens” and “fair game”, according to Baroness Warsi, the Coalition’s only Muslim minister.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9275179/Some-Pakistani-men-see-white-women-as-fair-game-says-Baroness-Warsi.html

Let me guess Uzair, your rebuttal is to whinge about my source?

Uzair you pathetic Paki Taqqiyya!

October 3rd, 2012, 3:21 pm

 

Visitor said:

TARA 47,

If you read and understand Arabic, it should not be difficult for you to understand the Arabic text which I can provide to you soon. The translation will take me sometime. I am currently in one of those trips.

If I am given the choice I will not substitute the translation for the original especially when it come to poetry. And that goes for any language.

The Arabic text will be in later on tonight. If you need translation, then that will be some weekend. This weekend is long weekend for me and it may do.

October 3rd, 2012, 3:27 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Edit: Syrian (#43) has beat me to it.

Turkish military strikes targets inside Syria

Retaliation follows mortar attack from Syrian territory that killed family of five in border town of Akcakale.

03 Oct 2012

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/10/2012103181110169706.html

October 3rd, 2012, 3:38 pm

 

Humanist said:

“38. habib said,

Anyone with a bit of historical knowledge knows that the Persians were themselves taught Shi’ism by Arabs from Iraq and Lebanon.”

This is BS. Persians were “taught” Shi’ism by the Safavids, who spoke and wrote in Turkish (Azerbaijani).

October 3rd, 2012, 3:40 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor

Of course I read and write Arabic. I did mot mean translation into English. The Iraqi dialect is a bit difficult to understand.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Israeli military: Armed Syrians approach border
By IAN DEITCH | Associated Press –

http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-military-armed-syrians-approach-border-152229239.html

JERUSALEM (AP) — Dozens of armed men gathered on the Syrian side of the cease-fire line in the Israel-controlled Golan Heights Wednesday, prompting authorities to close a tourist site as a precaution, the Israeli military said.

An Israeli spokesman said it was unclear what the armed Syrians were doing. He said there was no violence or attempts to cross the border. He spoke on condition of anonymity under military rules.

Israeli forces there were on alert.

The armed men were not wearing uniforms. It was not clear if they were soldiers from the Syrian army or rebel forces battling President Bashar Assad’s regime.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

After the failed attempt to involve NATO with the downing of the spying plane by Syria air defense, Erdogan is now trying again.
He is taking advantage of the mortar attacks originated from Syria that killed Turks to shake the public opinion that is against his policy on Syria..
What he does not say, and it will be proven soon, it is that the criminals who just killed the innocent Turks are the same ones he hosted, fed and armed and who are desperately trying to get Turkish and NATO help to save them from their imminent end in Syria.

PM: Turkey may invoke NATO’s Article 5 over Syrian border
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-277185-.htmlfire

October 3rd, 2012, 4:17 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

#48 Warren

#36 was addressing and responding to SNP. I ignored your comment.

Putting your accusations to one side, I’m not going to risk pursuing this discussion as I must confess I’m not filled in on the topic. Why don’t you visit the forum links I posted and perhaps register. Put your questions to them. I didn’t justify or attempt to cover up anything. Just wanted to give some balance.

Unfortunately I’d be out of my depth on this. However I know (not personally) somebody who may be clued up. A British Pakistani.

Look him up on twitter and ask him.

Just found this article from him.

http://www.mohammedshafiq.net/grooming—the-men.php

Have a nice day sir. Your back on ignore. Where bigots belong.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:22 pm

 

Humanist said:

BTW “taught” is wrong; Persians and other Iranians were converted (from Sunni/Sufi Islam and Zoroastrianism) to Shi’ism by the Sword.

As for Iraqi Arabs, most of them didn’t become Shia until much later – during the 18th, 19th and even 20th century.

The lebanese Shiites have a longer history however. I heard the same thing about the Arab shiites in Bahrain.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:26 pm

 

ghufran said:

do we even know who fired the mortar shell into Turkey?
we are hammered with reports about the FSA being in control of most of that area,yet people were too quick to assume that the army fired the shell.
it looks like it does not matter who did the deed as long as it gives Turkey an excuse to do something to help the rebels trapped in Aleppo, the timing of this “incident” is very suspicious, it certainly stinks.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:26 pm

 

ghufran said:

تبنت جماعة “جبهة النصرة” الاسلامية المتشددة التابعة لتنظيم “القاعدة” التفجيرات التي وقعت في مدينة حلب السورية اليوم.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:34 pm

 

Warren said:

Uzair

You are a Paki liar and coward.

I have exposed you!

Syria is no business of yours go back to your Hizbi Tahrir and other Pakistani-UK forums!

A Paki Islamist and takfiri like you has no right to talk about Syria!

October 3rd, 2012, 4:37 pm

 

zoo said:

#40 Tara

Let me explain what I meant.
I don’t care if rituals are limited and many frown upon in Sunni Islam. Protestant Christians have the same restriction on rituals compared to Catholics. Yet no one as the right to ridicule or demean the rituals of other religions or feel that his beliefs are superior to others beliefs. .
That’s what I call arrogance and feeling superior.
You know that there is a good specimen on SC with that attitude. Unfortunately he is not the only one I have heard giving such remarks ridiculing Shia and Christian rituals. Unfortunately this is widely spread among Sunnis, moderate or extremists and the reasons are well known, since they are taught from childhood that Shias are heretics.
Similar attitude is still found in Europe with Catholics considering protestants as heretics or Jews as Jesus murderers.
Thank God, this is fading away. When will it fade away in the Moslem world?

October 3rd, 2012, 4:39 pm

 

Tara said:

Warren

The only bigot and coward I see is you. You only exposed yourself.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:40 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo@60

Thank you for your response. The only problem I have with your response is that your assertion that Sunnis are taught from childhood that Shiaa are heretics. I consider my extended family a prototypical Sunni. I wasn’t taught that so why the generalization? Why to blame the whole for the part?

October 3rd, 2012, 4:52 pm

 

Humanist said:

If someone has contrary info you better present it.

Pressing the dislike button just because history doesn’t fit your current political/religious/sectarian views doesn’t make sense.

October 3rd, 2012, 4:53 pm

 

zoo said:

Humanist

The first “Shias” were Arabs. The word comes from Shiat’ Ali.
Imam Ali and Imam Husseyn are Arab Sunnis from Iraq. Imam Ali was murdered in Kufa, Iraq. Iman Husseyn married the daughter of the last Persian Sassanid emperor Yazdekhast. Persians were mostly Zoroatrians before they converted to Islam, by convenience or by sword.
When they took power, the Safavid, ethnically Turks from Azerbajian, adopted Shiism as the state religion to differentiate themselves from the Arabs, as they felt that culturally they had a specific history and culture to base themselves upon in their development.
The fact that Imam Hosseyn was married with a Persian gave them a sense of historical continuity.
The Safavids contributed enormously to the development of Shiism faith and rituals not shying from integrating in it old rituals and beliefs from the rich Zoroastrian religion. They also contributed to the esthetic and the arts that were frown upon by Sunnis.
Overall Shiism merged Islam with Persian culture

October 3rd, 2012, 4:55 pm

 

ghufran said:

A senior U.S. defense official said the Pentagon is watching the situation with some degree of concern, “but at this point, there’s nothing to suggest it’s going to become a broader conflict.”
The official said the reciprocal fire appeared to be a smaller-scale border skirmish rather than a large-scale aerial bombardment.
“We think this is Turkey basically saying, ‘Don’t mess with us. Whatever is going on inside Syria, don’t mess with us,'” the official told CNN.
Both nations would have an interest in not allowing the conflict to escalate, according to the official.
“In some ways, Turkey would have more to lose in that kind of fight than Syria. They’ve already got a potential refugee problem coming from Syria, and a fight would only make that worse, the official said, adding that “Syria has so many problems right now, the last thing the government needs is to add another.”

October 3rd, 2012, 5:07 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Aje Live Syria blog:

Syria 16 minutes ago
The government of Pakistan has issued a statement in response to the deaths of five Turkish nationals when a Syrian mortar landed on Turkish territory:

‘The Government of Pakistan is deeply saddened on the loss of five innocent Turkish civilians and condemns this reprehensible act of unprovoked cross border shelling.

Pakistan expresses its full support and solidarity with Turkey in face of this grave incident. We offer our condolences to the families of the deceased and the Government of Turkey.’

Islamabad itself has for months been accused of launching cross-border shelling into neighbouring Afghanistan’s eastern provinces.

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/syria/pakistan-condemns-reprehensible-cross-border-shelling-syria-turkey

October 3rd, 2012, 5:10 pm

 

Mina said:

Erdogan pretends to show his teeth, or just the normal follow-up of the fake al Arabiyya story about the pilots?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19822253

October 3rd, 2012, 5:13 pm

 

zoo said:

#62 Tara

In some Sunni more educated communities in cities where there is a variety of religious mix, that sort of suspicion has faded away. Yet, it is not sure when it would popup again. I have seen it very often, even when hidden under an apparent tolerant attitude.
I think the recent growth of Islamic Iran as a powerful Shia country is perceived by many Sunnis as threatening. This is certainly contributing to awake forgotten suspicions.

October 3rd, 2012, 5:18 pm

 

annie said:

and now what ? speaking of the attack on Turkish soil.

BBC :
Turkey hits targets inside Syria after border deaths

Turkish artillery has fired on positions inside Syria after shells from Syria killed five people in a southern Turkish border town.

A woman and her three children were among those killed earlier when the shells, apparently fired by Syrian government forces, hit Akcakale.

Turkey’s response marks the first time it has fired into Syria during the 18-month-long uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19822253

October 3rd, 2012, 5:22 pm

 

Visitor said:

Humanist is making correct comments that can be easily supported by historical references. This is one for example and you can find a lot more,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_I

As for Hussein he was married to four women and not just one.

Regarding issues of superiority or inferiority, the issue did not originate from Sunni/Shia conflicts even though the Sunnis were always victorious beginning with the Umayyads who proved far more superior to the so-called shiat Ali. The issue is that of شعوبية which was started with the Persian who until today cannot fathom how few ‘Bedouins’ were able to crush their empire forever.

Al-Hussein is an Arab first and foremost. Anyone from those iranian mullahs who claim lineage is making false claim. Khomeini actually descends from a Sikh background and in fact Indian in origin and not even Persian. Persians in fact are a minority in Iran nowadays.

The most ridiculous these mullahs makes is based on turbine color – black for sayyid and white for novice. What a piece of crap?

October 3rd, 2012, 5:25 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo

Just to et you know, an average ordinary Sunni from Syria couldn’t care less in the past about the Sunni-Shiaa issue. All and every single members of my family used to adore “Syyed al Mouqawama”. The shiaa sect has always been looked at with admiration and respect because of HA. I remember days when I used to record Nasrallah speeches to enjoy watching it late night. It is now that the Syrian Sunnis are incensed to the Shiaa hegemony plot after they experienced first hand how Hassan Nasrallah was nothing but a sectarian murderer hiding under the cover of resistance. Syrians like another human beings love those who are kind to them and hate those who want to kill them. Unfortunately Batta wanted it sectarian and it is becoming as such.. at least to our generation.

October 3rd, 2012, 5:30 pm

 

zoo said:

Which targets? Killing nobody? What are the Turks hiding?

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-fires-syria-deadly-shelling-205018823.html

BEIRUT (AP) — Turkish artillery fired on Syrian targets Wednesday after shelling from Syria struck a border village in Turkey, killing five civilians, sharply escalating tensions between the two neighbors and prompting NATO to convene an emergency meeting.

“Our armed forces at the border region responded to this atrocious attack with artillery fire on points in Syria that were detected with radar, in line with the rules of engagement,” the Turkish government said in a statement from the prime minister’s office.

October 3rd, 2012, 5:34 pm

 

Humanist said:

Zoo,

Of course the first Shia were Arabs and you could say Shi’ism was born in current Iraq.

But it doesns’t mean the Arab muslims of Iraq were originally Shia. Most of them became Shia much later indirectly because of Iranian influence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a_Islam_in_Iraq

Even today the primary leader of the Shia in Iraq is an Iranian.

The Lebanese Shia on the other hand always had their own leaders as their tradition is a bit different (and older).

-About Iran, you are not entirely correct. Many Iranians were still Zoroastrian during the Sunni/Sufi period and they were tolerated as monotheists at that time, but the Safavids forced almost all of them to convert to Shia Islam.
Few Zoroastrians and other non Shiites survived the Safavids’ brutality. That’s why Iran today has such a religious homogeneity.

October 3rd, 2012, 5:34 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Is there any prove of who is behind this bomb attack at Saadallah Jabri Square?

It is said in the post that ¨no side will allow the other side to own Aleppo¨.

Does it mean that Assad planted the bombs? Or is there any statement from the FSA that aknowledges the authory of this attack?

Can anyone clarify?

October 3rd, 2012, 5:45 pm

 

Visitor said:

TARA 52,

You will understand the Arabic text. The Iraqis speak very sound and strong Arabic just like the Syrians. It is only the accent that makes it somewhat difficult. But once you spend some time with Iraqis you would love their accent.

October 3rd, 2012, 5:46 pm

 

Humanist said:

70. Visitor,

Khomeini wss Kashmiri (i.e. not “real” Indian) so him being of “Sikh” origin is probably BS.

If it’s about the turban; how do you explain hardcore Sunnis like Pashtuns and Balochh wearing it?

You are correct about Persians being a minority. However, there seem to be many assimilated “Persian wannabes” among other ethnic groups in Iran (esp Azerbaijani Turks I think).

October 3rd, 2012, 6:01 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor,

مافي أحلى من اللهجة المصرية واللبنانية برأيي

October 3rd, 2012, 6:04 pm

 

habib said:

51. Humanist

Uh, again, the Safavids had to import Lebanese and Iraqi Arab clerics (such as the Sadr family) to teach the Persian population Shi’a Islam.

Shi’a Islam wasn’t invented by the Safavids, only spread by them.

October 3rd, 2012, 6:22 pm

 

Tara said:

The regime will fall over itself, expressing sympathy and sorrow, blaming the rebels apologizing to Turkey for what happened. They are launching an investigation…

October 3rd, 2012, 6:31 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

“””Overall Shiism merged Islam with Persian culture..””
Overall Zionists manage to corrupt Islam by Shia introduction.

“…Khomeini was Kashmiri…”

Genocidal Murderer, robber of the Persian revolution (his was counter one) and all the wealth of Persia, Rothschild Zionist sponsored Komeneini, who now have the dishonor of joining the world’s top 50 list of genocidal criminals was a JEW. His real name was MUSSAWI, he changed it for cover.

In the Middle East, your surname denotes who you are, If you are Jazzairi, it means you are originally from Algeria. If your name is Turkmani, it mean you or your grandfather came from a Turkic place. When your name, or your father / grandfather name is Suleiman/ Suliamani, or Dawoodi or Mussawi/Mossavi it denotes that you are a Jew, follower of Solomon, David or Moses.
Assad, Khomenei, Al Saud, and Joseph Stalin (Joseph David Djugashvili) are all Jews at the service of the great Zionist plan. Khomeini was one of Haji Williamson’s offspring, a British national, spied for the queen and the Rothschild’s who settled in the Middle East, prior to Laurence of Arabia but in the same service.

“………..The story begins with Haji Williamson’s Kashmiri wife. The official story goes that Khomeini’s mother was said to be a Muslim of Indian descent. Of his father the official details are foggy but indicate a Persian Muslim living in Kashmir–where Williamson often stayed. Williamson was a devout Muslim and educated his kids in religious Shiite schools under top ayatollahs. “Two of them,” says the article, “Hindizadeh (meaning Indian born) and Passandieh (meaning pleasing or approved) studied well and eventually became ayatollahs in their own right. The third boy, a troublesome young man, failed to make his mark in Najaf and went to the holy city of Qom and studied under Ayatollah Boroujerdi. When family names became a requirement by law under the rule of Reza Shah (the Shah’s father) the young man chose the city of his residence (Qom or Khom) and took on the name of Khomeini.”

Williamson lived in Iran on and off between the World Wars and eventually got ejected by Reza Shah for working too closely with British oil interests. …….”

http://www.jewwatch.com/
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-stalin-3%20Jewish%20Wives%20of%20Joseph%20Stalin.html

October 3rd, 2012, 6:32 pm

 

Tara said:

The Syrian regime implicitly begging forgiveness.

Syria urges restraint after Turkish strike
Reuters – 30 mins ago

BEIRUT (Reuters) – Syria said on Wednesday it was investigating the source of a mortar bomb that killed five civilians in a residential border area in Turkey and urged restraint after Ankara responded by firing artillery shells at unspecified Syrian targets.

Syria’s Information Minister Omran Zoabi also conveyed his condolences to the Turkish people, saying his country respected the sovereignty of neighboring countries. Other countries should also respect Syria’s sovereignty and police their borders to stop gunmen from entering Syria, he said.

“The Turkish-Syrian border is long and is being exploited to smuggle weapons and terrorists who are committing massacres in Syria,” Zoabi told Syrian state television.
“States and governments should act wisely, rationally and responsibly because there is a special situation (now) on the border with terrorist groups that are spread along it and pose a threat not only to Syria’s national security but also to regional security.”

NATO held an urgent meeting on Wednesday evening to discuss the exchange of fire, the most serious cross-border escalation since the revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad erupted last year.

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-urges-restraint-turkish-strike-213417889.html

October 3rd, 2012, 6:39 pm

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

They all Serving the Great Zionist Plan for One World Government with one king a RE*PT*ILE. You will all be enslaved and micro-chipped, working your life for the REP#TELI*AN Lords.

October 3rd, 2012, 6:42 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Argument 1: Assad is stupid.

Argument 2: Assad is blind.

Argument 3: Assad is a criminal.

Conclusion: Assad Must Die

October 3rd, 2012, 6:43 pm

 

Syrain said:

رفع مجلس الوزراء التركي، في الساعات الاولى من يوم الخميس، مذكرة تفويض تعطي الحق للحكومة في القيام بعمليات عسكرية خارج حدود البلاد، في الأحوال الطارئة.

فبعد أن انتهى مجلس الوزراء التركي مساء الأربعاء من التوقيع على تلك المذكرة، رفعها إلى البرلمان التركي، ليقوم بمناقشتها في جمعيته العمومية في جلسات الخميس التي ستبدأ في الساعة العاشرة صباحا، للتصديق عليها بشكل نهائي، أو لرفضها وهذا احتمال بعيد لأن حزب العدالة والتنمية يشكل أغلبية في البرلمان.
http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_news&id=5f6da912a6a861adf868aef4003e8223&ar=666202059

October 3rd, 2012, 7:24 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Atwan of Al-Quds alarabi thinks that the shelling on turkey was a trap set by the regime for Erdogan, but I think other arguments are viable too. Russia has been silent and until we hear from her we won’t be able to read this not -so -surprising escalation, there is no doubt that a number of parties want a safe zone in northern Syria, this zone is now essential for them after the rebels failure to take over Aleppo. A strong Russian response,and less important an Iranian one, is needed to restrain the Turks, without such a response Turkey is likely to attack again with more fire power, my own opinion is that bigger players are not ready for a war one month before the US election especially after realizing that this war will not be a picnic.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:06 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

82 SNP

“They’re all Serving the Great Zionist Plan”

The Zionists have a plan? Whoa! Was Hitler part of the plan? If he was, the plan wasn’t working too good.

By the way, SNP, you’re not one of those Syrian Nazis, are you? You’re not a member of the Syrian Social Nationalist party, are you? You know the SSNP? They’re the ones who sheltered a convicted German Nazi in Syria >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMYrG9JTPKY

October 3rd, 2012, 8:07 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

¨Syrian state TV lashes out at Hamas leader, calling him a traitor¨

Ahaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahahhahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So Meshal is a sionist too. Who else please?

FXXX YOU ASSAD

October 3rd, 2012, 8:14 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is what the Russians said so far:
Both Syrian and Turkish authorities “should exercise maximum restraint” since radical members of the Syrian opposition might deliberately provoke cross-border conflicts for their own benefits, Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said yesterday. The diplomat said Moscow has been worrying about the situation on the Syria-Turkey border.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:16 pm

 

zoo said:

#71 Tara

I guess you and your family can target your fullest love toward Erdogan and HBJ who are now the new champions of the Mokawma.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Video: Anti-regime protesters in Tehran: ‘Leave Syria alone. Think of us instead.’
by NEWS SOURCES on OCTOBER 3, 2012

http://warincontext.org/2012/10/03/video-anti-regime-protesters-in-tehran-leave-syria-alone-think-of-us-instead/

October 3rd, 2012, 8:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo@ 89

And I guess you to Asma and Shehrazad who are the champions of something.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:23 pm

 

Ghufran said:

اجتماع عاجل لمجلس الامن القومي الايراني نهار غد واتصالات مكثفة بين طهران وانقرة لتحذير الاتراك من لعبة امم قد تطيح بتركيا قبل سورية …..مصدر ايراني: قلنا للاتراك ان المطلوب تقسيم سورية ولكن تركيا اقرب للتقسيم من سورية فهل تطلقون النار على انفسكم؟
I think that Syrians who are drooling over a Turkish invasion should consider applying for a Turkish passport, jidahists do not need a passport since they believe they are going to heaven anyway.
Syrian authorities did not report casualties after Turkey bombed “targets” inside Syria, some people have conveniently forgot to mention that Turkey is the one who launched a cross border attack yesterday that killed two Kurds.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:26 pm

 

Ghufran said:

قال وزير الخارجية المصري محمد كامل عمرو، يوم الأربعاء، إن مصر لن ترسل قوات إلى سوريا، مشيرا إلى أن مصر تريد حلا يحفظ لسوريا تكاملها الإقليمي ووضعها في المنظومة العربية.
ونقلت وكالة الأنباء المصرية عن عمرو قوله إن “مصر لم ولن ترسل قوات إلى سوريا”، مشيرا إلى أنه “ليس هناك أي تفكير مصري لإرسال أي قوات مصرية إلى سوريا”.
وكان الناطق الرسمي باسم رئاسة الجمهورية المصرية ياسر علي قال مؤخرا إن الرئاسة المصرية ترفض أي تدخل عسكري خارجي في سوريا على خلفية الأزمة القائمة هناك، لافتا إلى أن أي تدخل أطراف خارجية في سوريا سيؤدي لتفاقم الأزمة ولن يساعد على حلها.
وأضاف عمرو أن “ما يحدث في سوريا يؤثر ليس فقط على دول الجوار المباشر بل يؤثر على جميع الدول بما فيها مصر ويؤثر على الأمن القومي للمنطقة”، لافتا إلى أن “مصر تريد حلا يحفظ لسوريا تكاملها الإقليمي ووضعها في المنظومة العربية لأن سوريا دولة إستراتيجية مهمة للغاية”.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:30 pm

 

Visitor said:

TARA,

Here’s the Arabic text for that poem in the video of comment 6

أضعنا الشرع حتى صار كل له شَرعه
أصبح الدين هوى غلّبَه ميلا لنزعه
وشبابٌ جعل التشريع ما وافق طبعه
ضارباً بين حلال الله والتحريم قرعه
نسّكاً قد حرّفوا أصل التصاريح وفرعه
إذ يسمّون الزنا بالبكر للتضليل متعة
ويقودونَ العزا كي يكسبوا في الناس سمعه
ولحاهم كذب فهي لهتك العرض خدعه
وبنا من يرفع الهام بسمت ووقار 
وهو كالحيَّة خلف الأم يسعى للصِّغار 
آجر الله الأئمة ,,, إن يكن دافع لأمّه 
تدّعي حبها للأطهار من دون الشعوب 
كل من ينكر أن الواقع مر أليم 
فهو مثل الواقع الكذاب كذاب اثيم 
كم ذقونٍ مرسلات ذأبها قصد الحريم 
ثم كم من عِمّة تحتها شيطان رجيم
مستقيم في طريق الفحش حقا مستقيم 
وعليم برضا الطاغوت والجبت عليم 
وإذا ناداه للثورة قرآن رحيم 
ظل من غـُلته وجهه مسوداً كظيم 
بعضهم كلب إلى الظالم للعظم لحوق
وبهم من رصدوه في نعيم بالحقوق 
وقتلناك أبا الأحرار في كل عزاء
كـُشِفتْ فيه على الأشهاد عورات النساء
حالنا حال فظيعة ,,, وننادي نحن شيعة
مؤمنُ ملتزمٌ لكنه عبدٌ لذاته 
عاملٌ لكن رياء الناس يفني حسناته
وترى حب الظهور قد طغى فوق صفاته 
كل مشروعٍ فضيلٍ عده من منجزاته
إن يكن منا نغطي فاضحاً من سقطاته 
أو يكن من غيرنا يا ويله من هفواته
إننا مجتمعٌ لن يرتقي شأنُ حياته 
أترى هل يرتقي من عقله في شهواته !
وبنا المتخم بالأكل من الخير الوفير 
وله جار معينٌ بات جوعانَ فقير
وننادي بالعزاء ,,, إننا أهل الولاء
أترى يصفو ولاء القلب والفعل كذوب !
أترى يصفو ولاء القلب والفعل كذوب !
أترى يصفو ولاء القلب والفعل كذوب

You can best read the words while watching the video because the visual is meant to give some description of the poet’s intent. If you still need help please let me know.

As a bonus I brought for the Zoo the دعاء of الحسين which he made for Zoo’s Shia buddies. It is an authentic دعاء recognized by all Shia references. So there is no room here for argument about Sunnis looking down upon Shia. As we say وشهد شاهد من أهله

دعا الحسين على شيعته قائلاً : ” اللهم إن متعتهم إلى حين ففرقهم فرقاً ( أي شيعاً وأحزاباً ) واجعلهم طرائق قددا ، و لا ترض الولاة عنهم أبدا ، فإنهم دعونا لينصرونا ، ثم عدوا علينا فقتلونا ” { الإرشاد للمفيد 241 ، إعلام الورى للطبرسي 949، كشف الغمة 18:2و38 }
ثم ناداهم الحر بن يزيد ، أحد أصحاب الحسين وهو واقف في كربلاء فقال لهم ” أدعوتم هذا العبد الصالح ، حتى إذا جاءكم أسلمتموه ، ثم عدوتم عليه لتقتلوه فصار كالأسير في أيديكم ؟ لا سقاكم الله يوم الظمأ “{ الإرشاد للمفيد 234 ، إعلام الورى بأعلام الهدى 242}.

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TARA 77,

Agree and I also like the Damascene accent. But not because you’re Damascene.

But the Iraqi accent takes time to get used to. Once you get accustomed to it you would literally fall in love.

When I first met Iraqis, I thought they came from different planet. After few months I began speaking their accent when We’re together.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:33 pm

 

Tara said:

They are making a mockery out of themselves. A team from Iran’s state TV tried to lie and say to the camera people behind him were upset over a robbery.  I guess lying is a long standing tradition for the Mullahs. 

Violence and Protest in Iran as Currency Drops in Value
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/world/middleeast/clashes-reported-in-tehran-as-riot-police-target-money-changers.html?amp&_r=0

Anger spread to Tehran’s grand bazaar, where many merchants closed their stores. Some were cheered by shoppers in denouncing the government for its financial support of Syria’s embattled government instead of investing that money at home.

“They spend billions of dollars to keep Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power, but now they say they have no money!” one clothing merchant screamed, according to witnesses.

A team from Iran’s state television was nearly attacked when its reporter turned to the camera saying that the people behind him had been upset over a robbery.

Much more..

October 3rd, 2012, 8:34 pm

 

zoo said:

#73 Humanist

Many Zoroastrians who fled Iran settled in Bombay. They are known as the Parsis, a very successful community ( The Indian businessman TATA is one of them)

In Iran there are still many “zardoost” in area like Yazd still with the cult of the fire.

The most important celebration in Iran is not Islamic, it’s Now Ruz, the new year of the Zoroastrian calendar still used in modern Iran. There are also many other popular celebrations all taken directly from the Zoroastrian tradition.
Contrary to Egypt, Iran never lost or dismissed its tradition and cultural past, it always assimilated it to the present in a surprising continuity. This is why it is a country with a vivid culture and a strong national identity.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:39 pm

 

zoo said:

#93 Ghufran

Morsi is quietly retreating from his bellicose speeches toward Syria and getting his first slap from Saudi Arabia who is boycotting his pompously announced ‘quartet’ to solve Syria’s problem.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:44 pm

 

zoo said:

In Yemen, the resurgence of Shias, a new front between Iran and the USA

Houthi rebels seen gaining new influence in Yemen

By Andrew Hammond
SANAA | Wed Oct 3, 2012 10:22am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/03/us-yemen-houthis-idUSBRE8920QO20121003

(Reuters) – When riots erupted this month over an anti-Islam film made in California, Houthi rebels, long confined to remote corners of Yemen by then-President Ali Abdullah Saleh, covered the capital Sanaa in posters, banners and graffiti denouncing the United States.

Western diplomats and Sunni Islamists were taken aback by the sudden show of strength in a city from which the Shi’ite rebel group had long been banished.

“They really have a very broad strategy to increase their influence on politics and society – we believe for very negative purposes,” said one senior Western diplomat.

Analysts and diplomats believe that the ascent of the Houthis, named after its leaders’ family, has turned Yemen into a new front in a long struggle between Iran and Western powers and the Arab regimes they back
….
Gulf Arab governments and Sunni clerical allies accuse Iran of backing Shi’ite communities around the region, and Sanaa this year also accused Iran of trying to meddle in Yemeni affairs.

October 3rd, 2012, 8:52 pm

 

zoo said:

Turkey’s neighbor Georgia moving away from the USA toward Russia

Putin Profits as U.S. Ally Saakashvili Loses Georgian Vote
Henry Meyer, ©2012 Bloomberg News
Updated 8:47 a.m., Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) — Russian President Vladimir Putin will probably benefit from the election defeat of U.S.-backed Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, who led his nation to war with Russia in 2008, said researchers from London to Moscow.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Putin-Profits-as-U-S-Ally-Saakashvili-Loses-3915533.php#ixzz28Hsspy1k

October 3rd, 2012, 8:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Visitor

” But not because you’re Damascene.”

I don’t know what that meant but I can’t stop smiling. So you don’t agree when some Lebanese mock the Damascene accent?

What was that between Hussein and his followers? Was he betrayed? I think I missed that class when I skipped a grade..

October 3rd, 2012, 8:59 pm

 

Visitor said:

عاجل….عاجل…..عاجل…..عاجل…..

اقرأ واضحك…. اقرأ وضحك….اقرأ واضحك….. اقرأ واضحك….

الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…

وجه مرشد الثورة الاسلامية في ايران السيد علي الخامنئي أمرا الى رئيس مجلس الامن القومي الايراني بتوجيه رسالة شديدة اللهجة الى تركيا مفادها: التعرض للأراضي السورية عمل تخريبي سيقضي على مصالح دول حلف الاطلسي في الشرق الاوسط وعلى الاتراك ان لا يتورطوا باللعبة الأميركية. 

Wahahahahahaha

Wahahahahahaha

Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I can’t stop laughing.

———————————–

On the other the UNSC met and discussed the situation. Its members AGREED ONLY on KINDLY asking turkey what it plans to do next. who is going to veto who and what?

Now as for NATO they also met and DEMANDED from thugs occupying to immediately stop their lawlessness.

I am not sure NATO added or else to their demand. I was told that implicitly implied in so-called diplomatic lingo bullsh**.

Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

October 3rd, 2012, 9:14 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

99. Zoo

“Turkey’s neighbor Georgia moving away from the USA toward Russia.”

Yes, Zoo, they had an election, a fair and open election, and the pro-Russian political party won. I repeat, there was a vote, something we Syrians are unfamiliar with.

You shouldn’t be talking about elections, Zoo. You’re out of your element when subjects like voting rights, democratic process and one-person-one-vote come up. Stick to talking about dictators and terrorism and Zionists.

October 3rd, 2012, 9:24 pm

 

Visitor said:

I noticed there were few omissions in my previous comment. I was writing in a hurry.

Here it is again corrected.

عاجل….عاجل…..عاجل…..عاجل…..

اقرأ واضحك…. اقرأ وضحك….اقرأ واضحك….. اقرأ واضحك….

الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…

وجه مرشد الثورة الاسلامية في ايران السيد علي الخامنئي أمرا الى رئيس مجلس الامن القومي الايراني بتوجيه رسالة شديدة اللهجة الى تركيا مفادها: التعرض للأراضي السورية عمل تخريبي سيقضي على مصالح دول حلف الاطلسي في الشرق الاوسط وعلى الاتراك ان لا يتورطوا باللعبة الأميركية. 

Wahahahahahaha

Wahahahahahaha

Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I can’t stop laughing.

———————————–

On the other hand the UNSC met and discussed the situation. Its members AGREED ONLY on KINDLY asking turkey what it plans to do next. who is going to veto who and what?

Now as for NATO they also met and DEMANDED from thugs occupying Damscus to immediately stop their lawlessness.

I am not sure if NATO added or else to their demand. I was told that it is implicitly implied in so-called diplomatic lingo bullsh**.

Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

1  2

October 3rd, 2012, 9:25 pm

 

zoo said:

Qatar paid, Turkey paid, US did not. After lecturing Obama who did not meet him, Morsi needs to start a charm offensive now to get his billion.

‘I’m not convinced’: US Rep blocks $450mln Egypt aid package

Published: 29 September, 2012, 13:51
http://rt.com/news/us-egypt-aid-blocked-272/

A US congresswoman blocked $450 million in aid intended for Egypt, saying that US-Egypt ties are under “scrutiny.” The money was part of a larger package promised to Egypt by President Obama, and is on hold pending congressional approval.

October 3rd, 2012, 9:31 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Finian Cunningham has some strong words to say about the press and its coverage of Syria :
http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/press-tv-correspondent-killed-for-exposing-truth/
(Not a single western or a GCC government condemned the terrorist attacks in Aleppo)
I do not know why some of you are bothered to try to have a conversation with Internet Talibani thugs.
صم بكم عمي فهم لا يرجعون

October 3rd, 2012, 9:34 pm

 

Syrialover said:

JOSHUA,

Your comments paint an unbearable scenario.

And didn’t HAVE to be like this.

But there are lessons for the world here.

When I read the words below I was hit with a sense of the bleak inevitability of it all, from the day Hafez Assad seized power.

(The speaker Burhan Ghalioun may not be leadership material, but you can appreciate his intelligence and knowledge.)

“…the first lesson after 18 months of the Syrian revolution is that the Syrian regime is not a political regime. It’s not even a nationalistic patriotic regime. It’s actually acting only through blood and authority of occupation. The Syrian regime came to power through violence. It never sought to integrate or actually have any sort of participatory approach towards its own people, even in a partial way. It never answered to any political standard.

“Other authorities have to answer their people or have conditions they have to fulfil to get their people happy. [the Assad regime] just only focused on having their people submissive and they’ve always done that through violence.

“It’s only through violence or sometimes they resorted to manipulation. The way they always played and exploited any contradictions that are there in Syria, any fractions that are already there. They always manipulated it to rule.

“The violence — when I say that they wanted to make their people submissive only by violence here is what I mean: they wanted people to live in fear of their violence, of their different security branches and apparatus, the issue of political imprisonment and arrests that was also used as part of the violence.

“Then the fourth issue here is the continuous and everlasting emergency laws that ruled Syrians. These were also accompanied by regulation and laws that exempted the Syrian security and those who were involved in Syrian security from any possible questioning or any possible take putting them credible for what they commit.

“Actually, they ended up with a situation where the hand of the security services was free completely and the power of suppression was free to do whatever they wanted. And now, when the Syrian regime is using airplanes, tanks and artilleries against its own people in the villages and towns in Syria, it proves the statement that I’ve just made.

“It’s acting like an occupation force, not as an authority. It’s a regime that’s closed in on itself and has no connection to the constituency it has really. The people on the ground, they don’t even care. The people who are in the Syrian regime, they don’t even really care about actually getting any popular legitimacy. They just want to force people by fear and make them submissive by repression.”

Excerpt from a speech in London at the LSE on 20 September by Dr Burhan Ghalioun, Université Sorbonne Nouvelle and Former Chairman of the Syrian National Council

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/middleEastCentre/Events/Event%20Transcripts/Ghalioun.Keynote.Transcript.pdf

October 3rd, 2012, 9:38 pm

 

Visitor said:

TARA 100,

So, you missed school, eh?

OK, how about one more شهد شاهد من اهله?

Here’s the lesson you missed,

ربما يتصور البعضُ أن أهل الكوفة قاموا بمراسلة الإمام سيد الشهداء أبي عبد الله الحسين  لمرة واحدة، وذلك برسائلهم التي أرسلوها إليه يطلبون منه القدوم، إلا أن الواقع أن أهل الكوفة قاموا بمراسلة الحسين  لمرات ثلاث!
يذكر السيّد المرتضى في كتابه “تنزيه الأنبياء” أن سيد شباب أهل الجنة لم يسر طالباً الكوفة إلا بعد توثّق من القوم وعهود وعقود، وبعد أن كاتبوه طائعين غير مكرهين، ومبتدئين غير مجيبين، وقد كانت المكاتبة من وجوه أهل الكوفة وأشرافها وقرائها.
وقد كانت المرات الثلاث التي راسلوا فيها الحسين  على النحو التالي:
1ـ في أيام معاوية وبعد الصلح الواقع بينه وبين الحسن ، أي في أيام إمامة الإمام الحسن  بعد الصلح، وقد دفعهم الحسين  وقال في الجواب ما وجب.
2ـ بعد شهادة الإمام الحسن  وقبل وفاة معاوية، أي في أول فترة إمامة الإمام الحسين ، فوعّدهم الحسين  ومنّاهم، وكانت أيام معاوية صعبة لا يُطمع في مثلها – على حد تعبير السيّد المرتضى  -.
3ـ بعد وفاة معاوية في عهد يزيد ، إذ أعادوا المكاتبة وبذلوا الطاعة وكرروا الطلب والرغبة.
وبعد تكرار هذه المراسلات والإلحاح على سيد شباب أهل الجنة بالخروج والقيام، قام الحسين  مؤتزراً جلابيب الطاعة لله تعالى والرضا بقضائه ومشيئته، وهو أعلم الناس وأعرفهم بما سيؤول إليه الأمر، إذ لا يخفى على الحسين  ما ستؤول إليه الأمور وغدرُ أهل الكوفة به، لا لأنه يعرفهم ويعرف تاريخهم، بل لأن الله تعالى أخبره وأمره بالقيام مع فتية لا يلقون سوى الموت والشهادة، فلم يكن الحسين بحاجة إلى نصائح ابن عباس ولا عبد الله بن عمر، ولم يكن يخفى عليه أمرٌ حتى يبينه له بعض الصحابة أو يسعون إلى إرشاده فيه، متناسين أو متجاهلين قول النبي  في الحسنين أنهما «إمامان قاما أو قعدا»، وكأن آذان البعضِ قد صُمّت وهي تسمع صوتَ الحسين  يصدح: «شاء الله أن يراني قتيلاً»!

October 3rd, 2012, 9:53 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

Hey, hey, hey Syrialover @106 that is some great stuff dude. I did not think you can even conceive thoughts like this. I just copied your post and saved it for SNP talking point sheet. You don’t have any copyright on this do you?

October 3rd, 2012, 10:00 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Random acts of love in Aleppo, Talibani style:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/oct/03/syria-aleppo-bomb-attacks-aftermath-video
صم بكم عمي فهم لا يرجعون

October 3rd, 2012, 10:08 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Scrolling through the comments here, with the weight of Syria’s situation heavy in my heart, I did a quick survey.

Just over half the usual commentators today are completely uninterested in Syria.

They come here only to ritualistically push propaganda for the Assad regime, or use this as an outlet for their anti-Islamic prejudices, dumb conspiracy theories or crank ideas. They fiercely ignore everything else.

In other words, business as usual for this forum lately.

It’s sad to think about the lives of those personal agenda commentators strutting their stuff here, day after day.

I guess their one bit of luck in life is that they are comfortably indifferent to the realities of Syria.

October 3rd, 2012, 10:15 pm

 

Syrialover said:

# 108. Aldendeshe,

You praise me too much.

Here, let me give credit to the source (which I stated already):

Excerpt from a speech in London at the LSE on 20 September by Dr Burhan Ghalioun, Université Sorbonne Nouvelle and Former Chairman of the Syrian National Council

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/middleEastCentre/Events/Event%20Transcripts/Ghalioun.Keynote.Transcript.pdf

October 3rd, 2012, 10:21 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

103. VAT:

“I noticed there were few omissions in my previous comment. I was in a hurry.”

And that’s why you keep falling on your goofy face, VATTY.

October 3rd, 2012, 10:32 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

OH, well thank you for bringing it here to the commoner section. If it were not for you, Ghalioun will never stoop down to talk to us commoners and listen to some articulated comments. All we heard him saying before : We need NATO to Invade Syria, we need better guns, we need more millions, We need Turkey to invade Syria, we needs anti aircraft missiles, we need more millions, we need Arab Coalition to invade Syria, we need better guns, we need hundredth of millions, we need Jordan and Qatar to invade Syria, we need suicidal Islamists, we need more powerful explosive, we need few more millions, we need no fly zone, we need more artillery shells, we need more sanctions, we need more advanced weapon, we need far more millions of Dollars. And then, all we have is missing 45 million LAHATA,THLHUPPP GUUUHUULP. I guess all that was for commoners who are not paying customers. He can talk and articulate only at fancy hotel dinners where the audience brought check books.

October 3rd, 2012, 10:43 pm

 

Visitor said:

Humanist 76,

I just noticed your comment. I have couple things to say about it.

First, regarding Khomeini’s origin, what we know for sure is that his mother is Indian. But we do not know his real father. A story has been circulated that his father is a British by the name of Williamson who converted to Islam. There is no proof of this story. We know for sure Jhomeini is not Persian and not even Iranian. His name is derived from the town of Khomein where he settled after migrating from India. Some claim he is Sikh based on the shape of the flag he chose for the mishap he called revolution.

Second, regarding the turban, you may have misunderstood what I said. The Pashtun turban-like hat does not have any status indication as the black and white turban used by the mullahs. The mullahs use the color of he turban to convey a certain hierarchy of authority to the followers as well as within the mullah class. The black colored turban is meant to indicate that the wearer of that color is a sayyid or a direct descendent of Ali. The white turban indicates that tthe wearer is not such descendant. This information is known to me first hand from well trusted Shias who are quite familiar with these designations.

What I was saying was that the claim of lineage is false, bulls** and complete fabrication. None of tese black-turbaned mullahs is actually a true blood descendent of Ali neither from the paternal nor from the maternal side.

October 3rd, 2012, 11:03 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

Ok I made up my mind, SNP behind me on this. We want to move to live in Iskenderun, to me, looks like home sweet home, as good, if not better than Laguna Beach. Now Emperor Erdogan, we can settle this peacefully by gentlemen agreement or ferocious war that will last 6 days of which you will lose all your armed forces, air force, navy, you name it, you got it, you will lose it all in days. Forget about NATO, they will get the list of what we will do if they butt in and that will assuredly keep them at bay, simply not worth it to them. So what do you say Emperor Erdogan, you will welcome us with roses in hand or not. I am serious, love this place, I been for 2 weeks mapping it out. It is like all of California squeezed into San Diego County. It has the very same feel and appeal, warmth and beachy towns, it is awesome. There is even few blond in there, and we can like Cypress bring in more German and Russians. By peace or War, what do you say Emperor? I am setting my sight firmly on this plan now. My focus now is firmly in place.

I would have agreed with the Shia Zionist Bastards about dividing Syria have I not known that there exist a mountain of gold under the Euphrates. On the other hand, there is a prophecy about the Euphrates river drying up, this maybe coming true soon, that is going to wipe the entire region of Eastern Syria and make it desolate, unless we start dig in for the XYZ minerals to make living there worthwhile. The Tigris will still flow, so Syria Kurdistan can survive the coming geophysical changes coming soon to this planet.

Check it out just few pics:
http://www.itusozluk.com/gorseller/iskenderun/66597
http://www.iskenderunnet.com/data/media/11/iskenderun_sahil_9.jpg

Man I like Turkey, look at this: Bastard Baathists and Shia what they did to Syria.

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7982

October 3rd, 2012, 11:30 pm

 

Visitor said:

As of Thursday morning Turkish Army operations against the military targets of the thugs falsely labeled Syrian army, or more appropriately جيش ابو شفاطة, were still in progress

تركيا تدعو مجلس الأمن إلى التحرك بعد سقوط قذائف سورية على أراضيها وسائل إعلام تركية: الحكومة ستطلب من البرلمان الموافقة على عملية عسكرية ضد سوريا تركيا تبعث برسالة إلى مجلس الأمن تتهم فيها سوريا بالانتهاك الخطير للقانون الدولي
الغرب يعلن مساندته لأنقرة
تركيا تواصل قصف أهداف سورية

ذكرت وكالة أنباء الأناضول أن الجيش التركي واصل حتى فجر الخميس قصف أهداف عسكرية سورية، وأن انفجارات ضخمة وقعت جراء ذلك داخل سوريا.

وجاء القصف التركي ردا على ما وصفته انقرة بالقشة الاخيرة بعد مقتل خمسة من مواطنيها بسبب قذائف سورية. وبعثت تركيا برسالة إلى مجلس الأمن تشكو فيها سوريا وتتهمها بالانتهاك الصارخ للقانون الدولي. وأفادت وسائل إعلام تركية بأن الحكومة ستطلب من البرلمان الموافقة على عملية عسكرية ضد سوريا.

في غضون ذلك أعلن حلف شمال الأطلسي (ناتو) والولايات المتحدة مساء الأربعاء مساندتهما لتركيا بعد مقتل خمسة مدنيين أتراك بقذائف سورية. وبينما واصلت أنقرة قصفها لأهداف عسكرية سورية مساء الأربعاء وفجر الخميس، تنصلت دمشق من الحادثة ونسبتها إلى “إرهابيين”.

وأعلن رئيس الوزراء التركي رجب طيب أردوغان مساء الأربعاء أن القوات التركية قصفت بالمدفعية أهدافا عسكرية سورية قريبة من الحدود. وقال عقب اجتماعات طارئة للقيادات السياسية والعسكرية التركية إن “هذا الهجوم (السوري) استدعى ردا فوريا لقواتنا المسلحة التي قصفت على طول الحدود أهدافا تم تحديدها بواسطة الرادار”.

وأضاف أردوغان -الذي اتصل عقب القصف بالأمين العام للناتو أندرس فوغ راسموسن والأمين العام للأمم المتحدة بان كي مون- أن بلاده لن تبقى مكتوفة اليدين في مواجهة “استفزازات” النظام السوري، على أن يكون الرد في إطار القانون الدولي. وقالت وسائل إعلام تركية إن القصف المدفعي التركي تواصل حتى الساعات الأولى من الخميس.

وقال مراسل الجزيرة الناطقة بالتركية محمود بوزاسلان إن هناك أنباء عن إصابة أهداف عسكرية سورية، بيد أنه أوضح أنه لم تتوفر معلومات عن دقة الإصابات المفترضة.

جاء ذلك بعدما قتل خمسة مدنيين أتراك هم أم وأطفالها الثلاثة وسيدة أخرى، وأصيب عشرة آخرون بينهم أفراد من الشرطة، حين أصابت قذيفة أو قذائف هاون من الجانب السوري منازل في بلدة أكشاكالا التركية، وفقا لمصادر تركية.
وتقع هذه البلدة في محافظة شاني أورفه قبالة بلدة تل أبيض التابعة لمحافظة الرقة السورية التي سيطر عليها الجيش الحر يوم 19 سبتمبر/أيلول الماضي. ومنذ ذلك الوقت، قام الجيش السوري بمحاولات كثيرة لاستعادة البلدة والمعبر الحدودي فيها مستخدما الأسلحة الثقيلة، لكن بلا جدوى.

دعم غربي
وبطلب من تركيا العضو في الحلف الأطلسي، عقدت دول الناتو مساء الأربعاء اجتماعا طارئا على مستوى السفراء في بروكسل، بينما كان مجلس الأمن يبحث بدوره التطورات الأخيرة على الحدود التركية.

وأعلن الحلف في بيان أنه “يواصل الوقوف إلى جانب تركيا، ويطالب بالوقف الفوري لمثل هذه الأعمال العدائية ضد دولة حليفة، ويحث النظام السوري على إنهاء الانتهاكات الفاضحة للقانون الدولي”. وأضاف أن القصف السوري “يمثل سببا لأكبر قلق للحلفاء الذين يدينونه بقوة”.

تركيا تنشر منذ أسابيع تعزيزات
على حدودها مع سوريا (رويترز)

ولم يشر البيان إلى أي إجراءات عسكرية. وكانت مراسلة الجزيرة في تركيا شيرين أبوعاقلة قالت قبيل صدور البيان إن هناك تكهنات بأنه لن يسفر عن إجراءات خاصة.

وفي واشنطن، ندد البيت الأبيض بالقصف الذي استهدف البلدة التركية، وأعلن وقوف الولايات المتحدة مع “الحليف التركي”.

وكانت وزارة الدفاع الأميركية قالت من جهتها إن ما حدث مثال آخر لما سماه “السلوك المنحرف” للنظام السوري، وسبب إضافي يدعوه إلى الرحيل، واصفا تركيا بالحليف القوي.

وأبدت وزيرة الخارجية هيلاري كلينتون قبل ذلك “غضبها”، وقالت إن واشنطن ستبحث مع أنقرة في الخطوات التي يتعين اتخاذها.

وفي أنقرة، قال وزير الخارجية التركي أحمد داود أوغلو إن الولايات المتحدة أبلغت بلاده بأنها ستدعمها في الأمم المتحدة والحلف الأطلسي، في إشارة إلى ما يمكن أن يتخذ من إجراءات في المنظمتين ردا على مقتل المدنيين الأتراك.

وحصلت أنقرة أيضا على دعم من دول غربية أخرى أعضاء في حلف الأطلسي مثل فرنسا، وقد أدانت جميعها القصف الذي تعرضت له البلدة التركية. وناقش مجلس الأمن الأربعاء التطورات على الحدود التركية السورية، وقال إنه ينتظر رسالة من الجانب التركي قبل اتخاذ إجراءات محتملة.

ووصف السفير البريطاني لدى الأمم المتحدة مارك ليال غرانت تلك الأحداث بأنها مثيرة للقلق، في حين حث الأمين العام للأمم المتحدة دمشق على احترام سلامة أراضي دول الجوار، وحذر من امتداد الصراع في سوريا إلى المنطقة.

دمشق تتنصل
وفي دمشق، قال وزير الإعلام السوري عمران الزعبي إن بلاده تحقق في مصدر القذيفة (أو القذائف) التي أطلقت من سوريا، لكن تلفزيونها الرسمي سارع إلى تحميل “إرهابيين” مسؤولية الحادثة.

وعزّى الزعبي تركيا في القتلى الخمسة، وقال إن سوريا تحقق بجدّ في الحادثة التي تعد الأخطر منذ إسقاط الدفاعات السورية طائرة تركية في يونيو/حزيران الماضي.

وفي إشارة إلى ضرورة تجنب تصعيد عسكري محتمل، دعا الوزير السوري إلى توخي العقلانية والمسؤولية، مشيرا إلى انتشار “مجموعات إرهابية” مسلحة على الحدود الطويلة بين سوريا وتركيا.

http://aljazeera.net/news/pages/f970cff8-e87e-47e3-bf2d-cb1d2a04ee40?GoogleStatID=1

October 3rd, 2012, 11:36 pm

 

abbas said:

Dr Landis or anybody know if kirdaha is a mixed city or a pure alawi city, I was surprised to learn that there is a family called osman, I don’t think alawis like that name,I read a tweet from shahrazad jaffari asking bashar to destroy the osman family in kirdaha because they are on the revolution side, any thoughts

October 4th, 2012, 12:01 am

 

Syrialover said:

It’s happening! Iranians are feeling the full impact of their “leaders” crazy foreign policy, which the mullahs have CHOSEN and which will destroy their country.

I wish the west would add Syria more forcefully to the reasons for the sanctions, so Iranians can have an even stronger reason to kick the ass of those vile and violent moron mullahs, Assad’s best buddies.

(Though the Iranians are waking up. Quote from story below: “”Leave out Syria!” some marchers chanted. “Think about us!”)

Excerpts from story:

Iran police, demonstrators clash in Tehran protests

Iranian police and demonstrators clashed Wednesday during street protests linked to rising prices and the plunging value of the national currency.

Police in black riot gear fired tear gas and moved to disperse the protesters after they had rallied outside the capital’s central bazaar and then marched toward the parliament building. Many businesses and shops were shuttered, which in effect led to the shutdown of the huge marketplace.

The protests were unusual in this tightly controlled society and seemed to be a spontaneous reaction to outrage over rising prices and the government’s inability to halt the currency slide.

The merchants’ decision to take to the streets appeared significant because the business class is often viewed as a proponent of the status quo.

The complaints voiced Wednesday were not about Iran’s lack of democracy but rather about what many viewed as the inept economic policies of the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose second term ends next year.

As they marched, they decried what they termed “inefficient government,” and some assailed Iranian rulers’ determination to help the nation’s close ally, Syrian President Bashar Assad.

“Leave out Syria!” some marchers chanted. “Think about us!”
Iran is believed to be providing huge subsidies to Syria to help keep Assad’s government afloat amid a rebellion that’s in its 19th month.

Mark Dubowitz, a sanctions expert at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, said the rial’s fall may be a sign that Iran doesn’t have the foreign exchange reserves needed to prop up the currency, or at least can’t access reserves that might be in accounts abroad that have been frozen by sanctions.

“You’d think that if the regime had sufficient reserves, and access to them, they could be intervening to prevent the rial from plummeting further,” he said.

The poor and middle classes have been hit especially hard as prices for food and other necessities have soared.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran-economy-protests-20121004,0,6484678.story

October 4th, 2012, 12:04 am

 

zoo said:

In Saudi Arabia, “Forty percent live below the poverty line”.

New Book Portends Crisis, Possible Revolt in Saudi Arabia

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2012/09/30-crisis-revolt-saudi-arabia-riedel

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an antique, the last absolute monarchy in the world, perhaps the last in human history. The Hapsburgs, Romanovs and Pahlavis are gone but the House of Saud survives. But for how long?

Perhaps the greatest international challenge the next U.S. president could face is a revolution in Saudi Arabia if the royal family’s time runs out.

A timely new book, On Saudi Arabia: Its People, Past, Religion, Fault Lines and Future by Karen Elliot House, presents an ominous picture of a country seething with internal tensions and anger.

Sixty percent of Saudis are 20 or younger, most of whom have no hope of a job. Seventy percent of Saudis can not afford to own a home. Forty percent live below the poverty line.
The royals, 25,000 princes and princesses, own most of the valuable land and benefit from a system that gives each a stipend and some a fortune. Foreign workers make the Kingdom work; the 19 million Saudi citizens share the Kingdom with 8.5 million guest workers.

October 4th, 2012, 12:12 am

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO,

With your apparent inside knowledge of Assadist thinking, will you confirm that that description of the regime’s approach I posted in #106 is accurate?

And if it’s not, where is it inaccurate?

October 4th, 2012, 12:15 am

 

abbas said:

can I have an answer instead of thumbs up or down

October 4th, 2012, 12:15 am

 

Syrialover said:

ABBAS #117, please share with us the link to the Shahrazad Jaffari tweet. It could be very entertaining.

October 4th, 2012, 12:18 am

 

zoo said:

“We can say that the center for a group of jihadists, the so-called terrorist movement, is moving right now from Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Arab Maghreb region ”

Thursday,October 4 2012, Your time is 12:18:05 AM
Maghreb turning into ‘terrorist’ hub: Tunis

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/maghreb-turning-into-terrorist-hub-tunis.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31580&NewsCatID=357

TUNIS- Agence France-Presse
Two people were killed and dozens injured in clashes at the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, when protests over an anti-Islam film degenerated into violence. ABACAPRESS.COM photo

Two people were killed and dozens injured in clashes at the US embassy in the Tunisian capital, when protests over an anti-Islam film degenerated into violence. ABACAPRESS.COM photo
Jihadists pose a “great danger” to the Maghreb region, which is turning into a “terrorist” hub, Tunisian President Moncef Marzouki warned, days after the leader of the ruling party Rached Ghannouchi said the Tunisian authorities would crack down on hardline Salafis.

“We can say that the center for a group of jihadists, the so-called terrorist movement, is moving right now from Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Arab Maghreb region and there is great danger on our doorstep,” Marzouki said in an interview with Arabic daily Al-Hayat published Oct. 2.

October 4th, 2012, 12:19 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

Keep on getting blocked by filter, why?

I am honest and straight shooter, I give credit when credit is deserved. It may be a good thing this part of Syria was under Turkish rule, were not, the Baathist and dim*witted low*er classes of Syria’s Moslems will have turned this land into another shanty slum town / ghetto as you see in Syria.

Alright, Turks, we appreciate the care for this most precious part of Syria, you have tenderly taken care of it, now handed it over to the New Republic of Syria and will still be friend, you can come and visit or live there as you wish. Hey, how is that for sweet deal? Will send you our sincere thanks and appreciation, even let you marry our ugly*women. The same deal for the Jews on the Golan, I don’t want to deny Israel Official Historian and Archeological non discovery curator Oded Golan of living up on the hill when his name is after it.

Here are more pics of Iskenderun, thanks for the up keep.

October 4th, 2012, 12:22 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

No more links for pics, some idiot blocked them. Just google image for it.

October 4th, 2012, 12:24 am

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO, for heavens sake, stop thrashing around trying to distract us with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, the USA, Pakistan, Afghanistan and anything else you can grab.

Your special knowledge, which you’ve constantly hinted at and been repeatedly begged to share with us, is the thinking of the regime in SYRIA.

And now is your chance to make good use of that information – let us know if that statement I mentioned above is accurate.

October 4th, 2012, 12:26 am

 
 

Ghufran said:

Abbas,
Othman is a prominent alawi family in Qirdaha,one of Assads biggest achievements is disallowing any dissent or even leadership among alawites outside Assad-Makhlouf clan, Syrian prison and torture chambers are full of stories about alawites who dared to have an opinion outside the box,now jihadists want to continue the legacy under different themes.
Truth telling is a risky business in the middle east including Lebanon,hailed as an oasis of democracy:
Rami Aysha, a correspondent for several media outlets, including Time magazine and Spiegel Online, was tortured during his 28-day detention by Lebanese security forces.
He told the press freedom watchdog, Reporters Without Borders (RSF), of being kidnapped by a dozen men on 30 August near Beirut airport while reporting on arms trafficking.
Handcuffed and blindfolded, he said a pistol was held to his head. “They asked me on which side I wanted the bullet,” he said. “Meanwhile, they laughed then yelled at me. They broke my camera on my head.”
His left-hand index figure was broken as his ordeal continued. He was then turned over to the Lebanese intelligence service, where he was beaten by men who told him: “F.you. F. journalism!”
Transferred again, this time to the military police, his mistreatment continued. Aysha said he was beaten again, then interrogated, while still blindfolded and handcuffed.
He then spent six days in a military custody before being arraigned before a military judge. He was initially charged with being involved in the very crimes he was investigating – arms smuggling and trafficking.
He was finally released on bail on 27 September with a broken finger, broken ribs and bruises all over his body.
RSF has demanded that the Lebanese authorities investigate Aysha’s mistreatment and withdraw all charges against him.

Sources: RSF/Time magazine

October 4th, 2012, 12:36 am

 

abbas said:

you need a twitter account and of course we can’t be 100% sure it’s an authentic account and its truly hers, if it is that’s incitement to commit violence against a whole tribe

October 4th, 2012, 12:40 am

 

abbas said:

thank you Ghufran, I was confused because they say Alawi is part of Shia Islam and I know Shia’s will never name Othman

October 4th, 2012, 12:44 am

 

Ghufran said:

(Kurdish author)
مع بدايات الثورة السوريّة، كان يمكن التماس الاعذار للمظاهر الاسلاميّة التي رافقتها على انها عابرة، ونتاج قمع فظيع
مارسه ويمارسه النظام السوري على المجتمع طيلة أربعة عقود، إذ لم يبقِ النظام متنفّساً للتجمّع والتظاهر إلا الجوامع والمساجد. وكنّا نقلل من الانتقادات الموجّهة للثورة السوريّة المتعلّقة بسطوة وهيمنة جماعة الاخوان المسلمين. كل ذلك تحت يافطة: فليأتِ الإخوان وليذهب نظام الاسد الى الجحيم. واتضح أننا كنّا، كعلمانيين وليبراليين وديموقراطيّين ويساريين معارضين لنظام الاسد، على خطأ كبير وفادح بأن جعلنا أنفسنا المَعبر الذي ساهم في تمرير الأجندة الإخوانيّة أو ما يمكن تسميته بـ «أخونة الثورة السوريّة» حيث قطع الاخوان المسلمون شوطاً كبيراً ومهمّاً في تنفيذ تلك الأجندة وتكريسها على ارض الواقع!
هذا الخطأ الكارثي فتح المجال أمام الجماعة للدفع بالثورة نحو منزلق أخطر هو الطائفيّة، عبر ممارسات الجناح «الإخوانجي» في الجيش الحرّ. وحاليّاً، تسعى جماعة الاخوان، وعبر حضورها العسكري المتنامي في الجيش الحرّ، الى جر الثورة نحو مستنقعات القومجيّة والعنصريّة ايضاً، عبر الاعلان عن كتائب عسكريّة باسم الديكتاتور العراقي السابق صدّام حسين. فقد أعلن الجيش الحرّ عن تشكيل كتيبتين باسم «الشهيد صدام حسين» في أدلب ودير الزور، في تحدّ سافر واستفزاز صارخ لمشاعر الكرد عموماً والكرد السوريين خصوصاً. وهذا الموقف لا تتحمّل مسؤوليّته جماعة الاخوان وحدها، بل كل التيّارات والقوى والشخصيّات العلمانيّة المعارضة للنظام. ومن شأن هذه السلوكيّات المدانة والمقلقة ليس للكردّ فقط، بل لكل السوريين، ان تدفع الجماهير نحو الانكماش والتراجع عن دعم الثورة. ثم ان كون اسماء كتائب الجيش الحرّ مأخوذة من القاموس الاسلامي (أسماء الصحابة…) فهذا مسلك مفخخ يشرعن لجماعة الاخوان اتهام كل من ينتقد سلوكها، بأنه ضدّ الاسلام والرسول والصحابة! وقطعاً، هذا الاتهام زائف ومعيب ومخيف.

October 4th, 2012, 12:46 am

 

zoo said:

Abbas #129

You are right and anyway who is foolish enough these days to use his/her full name in twitter?
It sounds as fabricated as Al Arabya articles reported here by its faithful cronies.

October 4th, 2012, 12:47 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

The Othman’s are Turkish Alawite landed nobility family (Alawites=Nussairi are not really Shia), and have lived there before the Assad’s came in penniless and landless from some place and were accepted and helped by the locals. Started making some cash from wrestling matches in Alawi villages under the Wahsh surname. I have no sure confirmation that they came from Iran or not, but they are Jewish from Macedonia going further back in time. They may have been serving in Alexander army and ended up in Iran, then came back to Syria in modern times.

October 4th, 2012, 12:58 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

The Macedonians are made up of two lost tribes of Israel, Manasseh and Dan. Later, under Alexander the Great hey migrated east and ruled in Syria, expanded all the way to Afghanistan and Egypt. After the death of Alexander, the region split under the rule of his four generals, most notable was Seleucid which ruled Syrian region. Many of the Macedonians returned to Syria at later times. That is a long story and irrelevant to non Syrian Nationalists.

But what you need to know is that the term Jewish is a modern term, invented by Zionists Khazzars from Khazzaria when they converted to the religion of the Hebrew. In ancient times there existed only the term Hebrews and Israelites. There never was a kingdom of Judah or Judaism neither back then, nor there ever was a king named David. Judaism was formulated under the watchful eye of Amen / Marduk in Babylonian times. Israelites did not follow Judaism. The tribe of Manasseh and Dan for example and others was worshiper of EL and BAL not Yahweh. Those that came out of Egypt, when Amen-Ra/Marduk was kicked out of Egyptian temples, his favorite wet rag, which he used to rule in Egypt, the Hexos/ or Hebrew became the worshipper of Amen ( the hidden one) or the messiah that will be coming again. The same for Iranian Shia, the Mahdi, is in fact awaiting he return of the very same person under the name of Marduk. The northern Golan and coastal area of today’s Israel is the original land of Menassah and Dan tribes before being carried away in captivity by the Assyrians, before the Hebrew were again dragged to build Marduk Babylon as they did build his Egyptian rule. Now the dude Amen/Marduk is still alive and been using his chosen ones to bring about the new world order to rule alone using the grand Zionist Plan. The rest of the Annunaki will bring war on this planet, so this dude Amen has no chance at it ever. We human going to get clobbered out of ignorance, and partly because Amen with the Rep*it*lian help did great job at hiding ancient history and facts from us humans. When he ruled in Egypt, he did the same, changed the record, and when he ruled in Babylon, he again changed the record and even time of history. Babylon is synonymous with CONFUSION.

October 4th, 2012, 1:38 am

 

Juergen said:

Sorry pals I just dont buy it, Ghadaffi was named a Jew, now Assads origin must be jewish, I think some have to realize that some monsters are created by their own kind.

October 4th, 2012, 1:52 am

 

ann said:

Those Paper Tiger Ottomans Who Live in Expensive Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw Stones At Syria

Turkey Fires Artillery After Syrian Cross-Border Shelling

Oct. 4 (Bloomberg) — Turkey’s army fired across the Syrian border.

Lira and The Stock Market Declined

The Turkish lira depreciated to 1.7968 against the dollar, an intraday low, after the attack. The currency traded 0.3 percent lower at 6:30 p.m. in Istanbul, after earlier strengthening as much as 0.1 percent. Stocks extended losses, with the Istanbul Stock Exchange National 100 closing down 1 percent at 66,822.38, its biggest loss in a week.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Turkey-Fires-Artillery-After-Syrian-Cross-Border-3917427.php#page-2

October 4th, 2012, 1:55 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

Ok Jurgen, you voted with your ignorance and respect your right to do so, now get out the way and stop interrepting and heckling me please.

But did you know that Adolph Hitler was also a Jew. So as Stalin and Khadafi and the house of Saud and I can give you a very long list of rulers, but leave now please, I am not finished.

October 4th, 2012, 1:59 am

 

ann said:

Blast on Turkish section of Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipeline – Thu 04 October 2012

http://www.news.az/articles/turkey/69467

A blast occurred last night on the Turkish section of the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas pipeline, near Kars.

According to Turkish media, the pipeline which transports gas from the Shah Deniz field was damaged as a result.

Governor of Sarıkamıs Erdogan Ruran Ermis told the press that the explosion occurred for yet undetermined reasons in the part which passes through a forested area between villages Yagbasan and Catag.

[…]

http://www.news.az/articles/turkey/69467

October 4th, 2012, 2:11 am

 

ann said:

Moscow warns NATO on itchy trigger finger in Syria – 02 October, 2012

http://rt.com/politics/moscow-nato-syria-arab-spring-494/

The Foreign Ministry has called on NATO and Middle East countries not to devise pretexts for military intervention in Syria.

Russia has expressed concern that some provocation could occur at the Turkish-Syrian border that may give NATO the green light to intervene in Syria.

“In our contacts with our partners both in NATO and in the region, including on international forums, we have called on them not to look for pretexts in order to carry out a [military] operation,” Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told reporters on Tuesday in Moscow.

In such a scenario, NATO would be obliged to intervene in the conflict to defend Turkey, a NATO member.

Gatilov said Russia is equally wary of establishing any sort of “humanitarian corridors or buffer zones,” which may be used to draw NATO and other regional powers into the conflict.

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has been struggling to maintain its grip on power amid a militant challenge by the political opposition. While many Western countries have disavowed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and taken sides with the rebels, Moscow is calling for both sides of the conflict to accept the Kofi Annan Plan, recognize a ceasefire and enter into peace talks.

This is not the first time Moscow has warned its NATO partners against interfering militarily in the affairs of sovereign states.

Last year, Russia, which was among five countries that abstained from a UN Security Council vote for the enforcement of a no-fly zone in Libya.

Moscow said such action would lead to large-scale military involvement in the country.

[…]

http://rt.com/politics/moscow-nato-syria-arab-spring-494/

October 4th, 2012, 2:34 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

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1. The Ring of Power – Present Past [part 1 of 29]

Rep*ti*lian*s Humans and Ill*uminati History 1/9

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Underground cities aren’t for dummies

Interview with former Dulce Base Security officer Thomas Edwin Castello

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ONE OF THE MOST CRAZIEST SKULLS EVER FOUND NOT ON RECORD!!.

The show case for the One-Horned Human project – part1

October 4th, 2012, 2:38 am

 

ann said:

Russia condemns terror attacks in Syria’s Aleppo – 2012-10-03

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/03/c_131887052.htm

MOSCOW, Oct. 3 (Xinhua) — Russia strongly condemned the terror attacks in the northern Syrian province of Aleppo on Wednesday, calling the attacks “unacceptable.”

“We reaffirm our strong condemnation to terrorism in any form and any manifestation, and stress it is absolutely unacceptable to use terror methods under any circumstance, including in domestic armed conflicts,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Russia hoped those who have masterminded these attacks be captured and punished, the ministry said, adding that supporting those perpetrators was also “immoral” and “unacceptable.”

[…]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/03/c_131887052.htm

October 4th, 2012, 2:41 am

 

Citizen said:

عاجل….عاجل…..عاجل…..عاجل…..
اقرأ واضحك…. اقرأ وضحك….اقرأ واضحك….. اقرأ واضحك….
الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…. الخبر الحدث…
وجه مرشد الثورة الاسلامية في ايران السيد علي الخامنئي أمرا الى رئيس مجلس الامن القومي الايراني بتوجيه رسالة شديدة اللهجة الى تركيا مفادها: التعرض للأراضي السورية عمل تخريبي سيقضي على مصالح دول حلف الاطلسي في الشرق الاوسط وعلى الاتراك ان لا يتورطوا باللعبة الأميركية.
Wahahahahahaha
Wahahahahahaha
Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I can’t stop laughing.
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Turkey retaliates against Syria
By Daniel Dombey in Istanbul and Peter Spiegel in Brussels
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/43d72bd0-0d66-11e2-99a1-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28JJa9Iid
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Turkey’s parliament is to debate steps on the deepening tensions with Syria on Thursday, a day after Ankara struck targets within its neighbour in retaliation to a deadly mortar attack on a Turkish border town.
Parliament has been convened for a Thursday session to discuss measures including authorising cross border operations by the Turkish army. While the Turkish parliament was already set to renew authorisation of cross border operations into neighbouring Iraq, the debate is now to encompass actions on Syrian terrain……….

October 4th, 2012, 3:10 am

 

Citizen said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSg_ttXr5q0
Syrian Rebels Bomb Turkey and Blame Syrian Army
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Turkey fires on Syria after creating a staged pretext
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lob-ccXL4yI
———————————–
Turkey strikes targets in Syria in retaliation for shelling deaths
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/03/world/europe/turkey-syria-tension/
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Turkey hits targets inside Syria after border deaths
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19822253
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It does not make sense for Assad to fire into Turkey, so this is a false-flag by the hired mercenary to justify direct military intervention by Turkey.

October 4th, 2012, 3:28 am

 

Mina said:

105 Ghufran
Indeed it is appealing that the media focus on Turkey and fail to mention that both places of the bombings, especially Bab Janin, are extremely crowded places at this hour of the day.

October 4th, 2012, 3:33 am

 

Mina said:

BBC journalist teaching diplomacy and geopolitics to Annan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19823774

Of course, KSA/Qatar is not within her vocabulary. Nor does she hear the difference between “Bashir” and “Bashshar”.

October 4th, 2012, 4:02 am

 

Samir S. Halabi said:

What has Zionists got to do with the civil war in Syria, around 30,000 people have been killed since this bloody war started. israel had nothing to do with it.
My family originated from Aleppo in Syria, in 1947 there took place a terrible ‘POGROM’ against the Jewish Citizens of that city, many were brutally murdered by mobs and in some instances the neighbours and supposedly friends of these unfortunate Aleppo Jews. The Police and Military also took part in these killings. arms of babies with gold bangles were ripped off, some mother’s had their stomachs cut open by those bastards. F–k you and F –k Syria. Some of those bastards that took part in those killing if still alive today, should start hiding in their rat-holes, because as sure as night becomes day they will eventually be tracked down to death, just as the F—–g Nazis were.

October 4th, 2012, 4:18 am

 
 

Albo said:

126. SYRIALOVER

“ZOO, for heavens sake, stop thrashing around trying to distract us with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, the USA, Pakistan, Afghanistan and anything else you can grab.”

It’s ok so long as you distract us with Iran, like you did in 118. No?

October 4th, 2012, 5:31 am

 

Syrialover said:

#147. ALBO

I know it’s all confusing and hurts the head, but Iran actually is a central player and determinant in the Syrian crisis – more than any other outside element.

But if you want to read all the anything-but-the main point stuff about Afghanistan and Pakistan etc that ZOO constantly disrupts this site with, you’re on the wrong train here.

And the truth is, you aren’t safe on Zoo’s train either. He’s at the wheel driving erratically while gulping down sedatives to calm his nerves about Iran’s difficulties and Assad’s resulting problems.

Zoo’s anxiously working to distract himself as much as he’s
trying to distract others.

But I’m not distracted, I’m patiently waiting for Zoo to get back on track and answer my serious questions.

October 4th, 2012, 6:02 am

 

Albo said:

For your information, and if you didn’t notice, Iran is no more a central player than Turkey, Saudia Arabia or Qatar are, as this is more and more a regional war than a Syrian affair.

Turkey is by far the most determining factor among all, here. Concentrate a little more and everything will become clearer.

October 4th, 2012, 6:09 am

 

Citizen said:

Turkey is by far the most determining factor among all
——————————————————–
What is different between Turkey and the others?
Turkey showed itself clearly as a country wishing to receive a certificate of the exemplary behavior from the U.S. and NATO.it is a tail.

October 4th, 2012, 6:19 am

 

Albo said:

And if only we can recount how many times rebels called for a Turkish intervention, and many posters on Syriacomment.

Some people don’t have any self-respect, when they cheerfully call for the successor state of an ex-colonial power to resume its meddling. Same for France, and Britain, the US who only care about Israel as the rest.
No matter how you twist it, they will never be friends of Syria.

October 4th, 2012, 6:25 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO #149 and CITIZEN #150. Well hello.

You both put a Zoo-like distractionist question: What is the difference between Turkey’s role and Iran?

It’s becoming interestingly clear you both feel uneasy if ANYTHING is said about Iran’s crucial role in sustaining the Assad regime and keeping this nightmare rolling. (Both externally at the UN, and internally with significant subsidies, security and military advisers, militia and equipment etc.)

Sorry this exposure risks upsetting you. I’m sure you both know a lot more about it than you will admit here.

Shall we assume you have the same insider knowledge about Iran’s activities in Assad’s world as Zoo does?

PS Albo even wrote:”Concentrate a little more and everything will become clearer.”

Teasing us with your mysterious insider knowledge!

October 4th, 2012, 6:53 am

 

mb8649@shaw.ca said:

“Some people don’t have any self-respect, when they cheerfully call for the successor state of an ex-colonial power to resume its meddling. “

#151

The above words reflect a delusional state of mind.

Turkey is always welcome to sweep through Syria and cleanse it of the most criminal, demented, abhorrant, nazi-like band of thugs who occupy Damascus and few parts of Syria. Do you prefer the cheer leaders of the killing machine of the thugs falsely labeled Syria Army that wrecked havoc on Syrian cities and continues to spread massacres throughout Syria?

We say in loud voice fir you and others like you to hear: Turkey welcome anytime into Syria and especially into the coastal region.

——————————

A comparison between Turkish military power, the undisputed shark/whale of the Mediterranean and the Assad sardines or جيش ابو شحاطة

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/04/241765.html

October 4th, 2012, 6:55 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO #149 and CITIZEN #150. Well hello.

You both put a Zoo-like distractionist question: What is the difference between Turkey’s role and Iran?

It’s becoming interestingly clear you both feel uneasy if ANYTHING is said about Iran’s crucial role in sustaining the Assad regime and keeping this nightmare rolling. (Both externally at the UN, and internally with significant subsidies, security and military advisers, militia and equipment etc.)

Sorry this exposure risks upsetting you. I’m sure you both know a lot more about it than you will admit here.

Shall we assume you have the same insider knowledge about Iran’s activities in Assad’s world as Zoo does?

PS Albo even wrote:”Concentrate a little more and everything will become clearer.”

Teasing us with your mysterious insider knowledge!

October 4th, 2012, 7:01 am

 

Albo said:

SL

Let me reverse the interrogation, why are YOU uneasy about Zoo mentioning Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar? They are part of the conflict my friend, you’ll not be able to deny it further. Your little enumeration of Iranian actions can as well be ascribed to them and the wider western alliance. What is happening on the Turkish border is massive meddling and has few historical precedents, and you’d be hard-pressed to compare it to whatever Iranian support being provided to the regime.

If you want to keep ignoring the elephant in the room, I feel sorry for you.

PS as for myself, I don’t feel uneasy at all, I dislike the Mullah regime. But I fail to see in what way they are worse than our little Gulf absolute monarchies, which are some of the most ridiculous and primitive regimes on this planet.
On the other hand, I don’t dislike the Iranian people at all. In fact their society is probably much more open-minded than many Arab societies plagued by Ikhwanji and Salafi nutcases.

October 4th, 2012, 7:34 am

 

Syrialover said:

WARREN,

If you are a Christian you are not being a good advertisement for that religion. Your intolerant and anti-Islamic remarks indicate you must be a poor adherent and understander of Christianity’s central ideas and beliefs.

So I am guessing you are one of those Christians who thinks the Assad way is fine, and Syrians are getting what they deserve – and I’m referring to what is accurately outlined in #160.

Which suggests the traditional culture, philosophies and intellectual side of Christianity would be an alien blank to you.

I’ve heard it said that any Assad-approving “Christians” in the Middle East may as well admit to having nothing to do with that religion, they have so little connection with or respect for mainstream 2,000 year old Christianity.

October 4th, 2012, 7:41 am

 

Tara said:

Even the Russian does not believe that the mortar fire that killed a Turkish mother and her children was a rebels ‘ provocative act

Russia urges Syria to say Turkey border attack was accident

4 October 2012 / REUTERS, MOSCOW
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged Syria on Thursday to state publicly that a mortar bomb attack on the Turkish border was accidental and would not be repeated, RIA Novosti news agency said.  
The Russian Foreign Ministry also called for restraint after the attack in which five Turkish civilians were killed on Wednesday.

“Through our ambassador to Syria, we have spoken to the Syrian authorities who assured us … that what happened at the border with Turkey was a tragic accident, and that it will not happen again,” RIA quoted Lavrov as saying during a visit to Islamabad.

“We think it is of fundamental importance for Damascus to state that officially,” he said.

..
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=294246

October 4th, 2012, 7:48 am

 

Visitor said:

It is expected that the Turkish whale/shark will swallow the Assad sardines and the coastal region within six hours when orders are give,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/04/241765.html

Turkish government requested permission from parliament to carry out military operations inside Syria,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/4a9f9484-a7be-422a-987b-c27108cabde3?GoogleStatID=1

Recent report by al-arabiya indicates that the Turkish parliament granted the request.

October 4th, 2012, 7:56 am

 

Visitor said:

155 TARA,

Russia is desperately trying to save Bashar’s neck.

The Russians unmistakenly received and acknowledged the red eye from both NATO and Turkey.

This is like the 1 minute to midnight last ditch attempt by the Russian mafia.

October 4th, 2012, 8:03 am

 

Albo said:

154

“WARREN,

If you are a Christian you are not being a good advertisement for that religion. Your intolerant and anti-Islamic remarks indicate you must be a poor adherent and understander of Christianity’s central ideas and beliefs.”

Interestingly, you did not make the same remark to Visitor after any of his countless attacks on other people’s faith. But you did cozy up with him at times, even borrowing one of his favorite phrase.

What should we conclude, are you OK with him speaking like that in the name of Sunni Islam, or are you afraid of calling him out? Or just speaking “from both side of your mouth”?

October 4th, 2012, 8:07 am

 

Albo said:


Recent report by al-arabiya indicates that the Turkish parliament granted the request.

If really implemented, we’re in for a full-fledged regional war, and they know better.

October 4th, 2012, 8:09 am

 
 

Albo said:

By the way, not that I care, but someone is clearly fuc*ing around with the thumb system.

October 4th, 2012, 8:19 am

 

Visitor said:

“If really implemented, we’re in for a full-fledged regional war, and they know better.”

# 159,

Care to explain who will step up to the plate and how?

In effect Turkish parliament just declared war on Bashar thugs. Fires were being shot all night long. Only thing left is executive orders to march over.

Any counter action from your regional invalids? Could you enlighten us?

———————-

Aljazeera also confirms Turkish parliament approval of government request.

October 4th, 2012, 8:23 am

 

Albo said:

The regional “invalids”, and I hope you are not describing Russia here, will turn Syria into Turkey’s Iraq. There isn’t much conventional armies can do against asymmetric warfare, and indeed Turkey’s a house of glass.

October 4th, 2012, 8:29 am

 

Visitor said:

“The regional “invalids”, and I hope you are not describing Russia here, will turn Syria into Turkey’s Iraq. There isn’t much conventional armies can do against asymmetric warfare, and indeed Turkey’s a house of glass.”

# 163,

Turkey’s house of glass remains to be proven.

And you really think a barking Lavrov will come to the resue of a fallen despot invalid?

October 4th, 2012, 8:34 am

 

Albo said:

I find it dubious that Russia would put their men on the line, yes. But there are other means that can be used. The insurgency in Syria can be fully reproduced in the whole south-eastern region of Turkey, and it will eventually happen should Turkey insist on recreating a regional empire.

It wasn’t Lavrov who was barking in the wind during the Georgia war, but NATO countries’ foreign ministers.

October 4th, 2012, 8:39 am

 

Syrialover said:

#154. Albo said: “Let me reverse the interrogation, why are YOU uneasy about Zoo mentioning Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar?”

I’m not uneasy with it, I’m just bored and fed up with those who are obsessed with the opposition and its alleged supporters (who are actually providing pretty inadequate support.)

This crisis is about the ASSAD REGIME and the pointless, evil catastrophe it has inflicted on Syrians. (read again #106))

And people like ZOO, who try to distract and pretend otherwise can only be suspected of having some investment in that regime.

And if so, shame, shame, endless lifetime shame. Their position of privilege has been illigitimately created and sustained courtesy of the suffering and deprivation of millions of others.

And if you read this forum you will know I am not against the Iranian people. They have got a rotten deal in life with their “leadership” like the Syrians and deserve much better. I hope I live to see it.

Astonishingly, you appear to have little concept of or information on Iran’s systematic role in regional mischief, misery and waste, and ridiculously put it in the same box as smalltime newcomer Gulf states (which are in fact pseudo states in many respects).

But you sure as hell seem to think that Assad deserves all the outside help he can get, and that those who are having their lives and country destroyed by him and his outside friends have no right to seek allies and relief.

And Turkey is entitled to do what it wants – it actually has a strong unavoidable legitimate stake in the outcome. Unlike Iran.

October 4th, 2012, 8:51 am

 

Albo said:

How can you say this crisis is about the Assad regime, when Turkey is on the brink of starting a war with Syria. The same Turkey and the same Syria that were demining their heavily mined cold war border and engaging in juicy commerce and lifting visa requirements.

Whatever popular grievances against the Assad regime there were, and there were tons of them, your “revolution” has been hijacked, and has been so for a while now. If Bahrein wasn’t an island and was surrounded by uncertain neighbors, the same would have happened:
Largely peaceful protests-> civil war fueled by external powers.

Turkey is certainly not entitled in trespassing Syria’s sovereignty, shells across the borders happen all the time during warfare. And given their record of meddling in Syrian affairs over the past months, they can certainly not pose as a victim.

October 4th, 2012, 9:08 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO #168 you are extremely shallow and narrow and short-term in your analysis.

And parrotting the Assad regime line perfectly.

Why?

Ignorance or involvement?

You should read the reference in #106 if it’s the former.

And there are endless, countless more accounts like that from people who have spent their full lives in Syria.

This situation wcould have been resolved much, much sooner and internally if Assad hadn’t been supported by Russia and Iran.

October 4th, 2012, 9:29 am

 

zoo said:

BBC’s interviewed Turkish journalist says the “incident” on the border is over. The Turkish public opinion is indifferent to Syrians plight and the majority just wants Turkey out of that quagmire and no war.
The attempt of the rebels to provoke Turkey in invading Syria is another failure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19830928

Turkey’s parliament authorises military action in Syria
People carry the coffin of one of the five Turkish civilians killed in the southern town of Akcakale. 4 Oct Five Turkish civilians were killed in the Syrian shelling of the town of

Turkey’s parliament has authorised troops to launch cross-border action against Syria, following Syria’s deadly shelling of a Turkish town.

The bill, passed by 320 to 129, also permits strikes against Syrian targets.

But Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay insisted this was a deterrent and not a mandate for war.

October 4th, 2012, 9:33 am

 

ann said:

Syria scenario was to mirror Libya – Oct 4, 2012

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_10_04/Syria-scenario-was-to-mirror-Libya/

Tarasov: In the case of a NATO involvement, it would have set up an interim government in the occupied zones and proceeded according to the usual scenario. This didn’t work out this time.

Why? Because the Syrian Army has proved to be strong. That was to be expected because initially it was preparing to stave off an Israeli strike, let alone an attack by a bunch of thugs called the Free Syrian Army or whatever. So, the army is combat-ready and security services have stayed loyal to the regime and refused to hand in Assad.

Moreover, it’s for a reason that the Syrian General Staff had been conducting staff drills called “coup” twice a month just before the conflict broke out. They were gearing up for this situation; they were ready for any turn of events. If Turkey were to launch an operation against Syria now, Iraq’s Kurdistan would strike it in the rear.

[…]

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_10_04/Syria-scenario-was-to-mirror-Libya/

October 4th, 2012, 9:43 am

 

Albo said:

168 SL

For someone who never removed his blinkers, you’re fast to see them on other people’s eyes.

I have read you very recently attacking posters who complained about external meddling and jihadi involvement. These are facts of life now, even FSA cheerleaders don’t deny them anymore.
And this intersects in no way with Ghalioun’s statements in 106 or your opinion of what the regime was, acknowledging this reality doesn’t contradict his/your position.

The cold truth is that no bright future will happen when Islamists and Syria’s geopolitical enemies work with your side. It’s time you wake up and smell the coffee, and stop being the opposition Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf.

October 4th, 2012, 9:46 am

 

ghufran said:

اكد مستشار رئيس الوزراء التركي رجب طيب أردوغان، إبراهيم كالين ان أنقرة لا تريد حربا مع سوريا.وأوضح كالين ان “لا رغبة لتركيا بحرب مع سوريا ولكن تركيا قادرة على حماية حدودها وسترد حين يكون ضرورة لذلك”، وأشار إلى أن تركيا ردت على حادث الأمس “بدون إعلان الحرب على سوريا” وهو ما يعتبر تبريرا للقصف التركي الذي استهدف منطقة تل ابيض السورية الحدودية مع تركيا وأضاف: “ستستمر المبادرات السياسية والدبلوماسية”.
It is funny that western governments were too quick to condemn the regime,not just the incident itself,before even knowing who fired those shells from Syria,then they held a meeting after midnight and came out with a “gasfull” statement, then went to bed feeling like they did something, the fact that Aleppo SJ square is in ruins was not important enough for the fat cats in the NATO.

October 4th, 2012, 10:11 am

 

Albo said:

By willfully endorsing such methods, not condemning human bombs and terrorism, one wonders how they will look next time they are targeted by them.

Some will be glad to learn it’s a legitimate weapon in anyone’s arsenal now.

October 4th, 2012, 10:28 am

 

Syrialover said:

#170 ALBO

I’m sorry, this is not an even discussion. You are writing like someone who just discovered Syria in the newspapers last week.

There’s no way you could be having any conversations with normal Syrians and be writing the way you are.

Your “views” come across as insensitive and patronizing. As if Syrian people didn’t actually exist for real and the problem could be fitted into your living room.

If your interest is genuine, you could try to build up a real picture by reading and talking with Syrians (and skip speaking with those who are professionally lying for Assad).

It would stop you taking happy trips down theoretical street – and doing it lite.

PS I am being kind here – your posts could be easily read as being deliberately supportive of Assad and blaming anybody and everybody else to deflect criticism of his regime.

October 4th, 2012, 10:41 am

 

Citizen said:

Erdogan’s Gets War Powers

Turkey, led by its premier Erdogan, fell into a trap. Other countries applauded the insurgency in Syria and provided weapons and money to it. Erdogan joint them and delivered himself much support. But when the insurgency did not provide the expected immediate success no other country agreed to help Turkey with regular outside forces to overthrow the Syrian government. Meanwhile Turkey’s economy got damaged, the influx of over 100,000 refugees brought increasing problems and the resurgence of the PKK in Turkey led to several spectacular attacks. The Turkish public continues to be against Erdogan’s interventionist policy in Syria.
Before yesterday’s mortar attack on the Turkish border village Akçakale Russia had warned of such a false-flag incident:

Both Syrian and Turkish authorities “should exercise maximum restraint” since radical members of the Syrian opposition might deliberately provoke cross-border conflicts for their own benefits, Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said yesterday. The diplomat said Moscow has been worrying about the situation on the Syria-Turkey border.
Just a day later such a conflict happened. Someone launched mortars from Syrian territory onto Akçakale and killed five people in Turkey. Turkey responded with heavy artillery fire against Syrian Arab Army positions.
Did the Russians knew what a false flag attack was in the making? As even the NYT remarked:

It was unclear if the mortar that struck Turkey was fired by government forces or by rebels fighting to oust the government of Mr. Assad
Still the Turkish government waxed about a violation of its sovereignty by the Syrian government. Just a few days ago Iraq had called on Turkey to leave the bases it has in northern Iraq since the 1990s. Turkey rejected that call. That and Turkish support for the insurgents in Syria tells you all you need to know about how Turkey really feels about sovereignty.
Not being able to pull others into the conflict which the insurgents lack the manpower to see through and not willing to risk the loss of face a climb down from his position would entail Erdogan has chosen to escalate.

With a 320 to 129 vote the Turkish parliament just adopted a motion that gives war powers to the Turkish government. The core text:

This situation has reached a stage that poses serious threats and risks to our national security. Therefore, the need has developed to act rapidly and to take the necessary precautions against additional risks and threats that may be directed against our country. Within this framework, on the condition that the extent, amount, and time will be appreciated and determined by the government, I submit according to Article 92 of the Constitution a one-year-long permission to make the necessary arrangements for sending the Turkish Armed Forces to foreign countries and having it [TSK] mandated, according to the principle causes that will be designated by the government.
An opposition member in the parliament called this a license for a bigger war:
“This motion has no limits,” İnce said. “You can wage a world war with [the motion].”
Indeed one wonders what the plural in “foreign countries” and “principle causes” mean. Will Erdogan order the invasion of Armenia?
One also has to wonder how the Turkish military would perform in an all out war. Over 300 Turkish officers are in jail, including 71 former and active generals, for allegedly planing a coup. More are likely to be indicted. What Turkish officer will show any initiative when any act without an explicit written order may put him in danger of getting hauled in front of a court?

And how will the proverbial Arab street react when Turkey with openly neo-ottoman ambitions invades an Arab country?

War powers or not. In the end the big loser in this conflict might well be Erdogan himself.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/

October 4th, 2012, 10:49 am

 

Syrian Natonalist Party said:

145. SAMIR S. HALABISAID:
What has Zionists got to do with the civil war in Syria, around 30,000 people have been killed since this bloody war started. israel had nothing to do with it.
My family originated from Aleppo in Syria, in 1947 there took place a terrible ‘POGROM’ against the Jewish Citizens of that city, many were brutally murdered by mobs and in some instances the neighbours and supposedly friends of these unfortunate Aleppo Jews. The Police and Military also took part in these killings. arms of babies with gold bangles were ripped off, some mother’s had their stomachs cut open by those bastards. F–k you and F –k Syria. Some of those bastards that took part in those killing if still alive today, should start hiding in their rat-holes, because as sure as night becomes day they will eventually be tracked down to death, just as the F—–g Nazis were.
__________________________________________________________________

After the United Nations vote on November 29, 1947, in favor of the partition of Palestine, the Arab inhabitants of Aleppo rioted against the town’s Jewish population, which at the time numbered around 15,000. While the exact number of those killed remains unknown, estimates of those murdered are put at around 25. Of course Jews as they did on 9/11 (some 85 Jew with Mossad help did it) and before in Germany, they fabricated all sort of fairy tales. Remember making lampshades out of skin, well that is just one of hundred story fabrication and lies. Here we have HALABI stating that: “gold bangles were ripped off, some mother had their stomachs ripped off alive” the sort of stuff Jews did at Deir Yassin and for 2 million Iraqis, 4 million Palestinians escaped their genocides and crimes against humanity and still refugees. Aren’t the world fed up with their lies and fabrications.

He also asks what Israel has to do with it. Well, by Israel, you are demeaning a whole nation, a real one, not the fictitious King David one. You should ask: What Jews has to do with it. Well, it is financed by Jews in Arabia (pretending to be Moslems). Jews were consulted and have provided support not for the liberation of Syria, nor is the transition into a viable place, but into destroying it and annihilating it just as they did in Iraq.

Aleppo preserved the most authoritative Hebrew text available today. Of course, for Khazzar devil Rep*t*lia*n worshipper that is of no concerns to promote, just the gold bangles is the valuable story here. But did you know that the biggest Gold Heist in human history was not women gold bangles in Aleppo, it was the trucking of the entire Bank of Nova Scotia World Gold Reserve Vaults, from under the WTC, the operation according to FEMA investigator Schoenberg started the day before and continued during the collapse. The vault, to his surprise, when he was dispatched by FEMA to record the event and document the crime scene was totally empty. This operation would have taken at least 10 trucks for 3 days to move all the gold bar contents. We are talking more than 300 billion Dollars in gold bars, and possibly in the trillion.

“……One day this spring, on the condition that I not reveal any details of its location nor the stringent security measures in place to protect its contents, I entered a hidden vault at the Israel Museum and gazed upon the Aleppo Codex — the oldest, most complete, most accurate text of the Hebrew Bible….”

http://www.aleppocodex.org/

October 4th, 2012, 11:12 am

 

Citizen said:

What are we going to do?

US must think of something Mr. Obama!

http://www.kurdpress.com/En/Images/News/Larg_Pic/9-9-1390/IMAGE634582684526875000.jpg

October 4th, 2012, 11:13 am

 

Citizen said:

Turkish police teargas anti-war protesters
Ankara- Turkish police fired tear gas against a small group of anti-war protesters approaching parliament on Thursday as deputies are voting on a motion that could permit military to conduct operations inside Syria if the government deems it necessary.
“We don’t want war!” and “The Syrian people are our brothers!” the protesters chanted in front of the parliament building in the capital Ankara.
Turkish artillery hit targets near Syria’s Tel Abyad border town for a second day on Thursday in response to a mortar fired from Syria that killed five civilians in the Turkish town of Akcakale on Wednesday.
The parliament would also vote on extending a mandate that permits Turkey military operation continued into north of Iraq against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) forces.
http://www.kurdpress.com/En/NSite/FullStory/News/?Id=2657#Title=%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09Turkish police teargas anti-war protesters%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09
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Do not sent Turkey children to war: Turkey oppositions say
Members of main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) and Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) have decided to vote against the motion said it “will allow for a world war” and it would let government to send Turkey children to war.
CHP member Muharrem Ince criticized the recent motion, saying it would enable the AKP to wage a world war.
“This motion has no limits,” Ince said. “You can wage a world war with [the motion].”
He also opposed the closed nature of the session.
“Why would you hide this from the people? Will it be your children that go to war? People are not going to know why they have sent their children to war,” Hurriyet daily quoted him as saying.
“The border of the motion is unclear. It calls for the Armed Forces to send forces to foreign countries. Who are these countries?” İnce added.
Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) Deputy Group Chairman Pervin Buldan said the party would say “no” to the cross-border operation mandate and criticized the closed session for the discussion of the mandate in Parliament. “If you will pick a war with Syria, you are going to send the poor children of Anatolia to the war and nobody will know about it.
The public will not be aware of what is being discussed here,” Buldan said.
http://www.kurdpress.com/En/NSite/FullStory/News/?Id=2659#Title=%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09Do not sent Turkey children to war: Turkey oppositions say%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09
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Turkey parliament passes motion against Syria
Ankara- With a total of 320 votes, mostly by the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), Turkey’s Parliament on Thursday approved a motion that will allow the government to undertake military operation against Syria, something that the main opposition opposed to and said gives government the authority to launch a war against its northern neighbor.
The discussion in Parliament was closed to the press, a government decision which was criticized by the opposition, who wanted to discuss the motion in an open session.
Along with AKP, the opposition Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) voted for the motion while the Republican People’s Party (CHP) and Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) voted against it.
The motion, which bears the signature of Prime Minister Erdogan, says: “The ongoing crisis in Syria affects the stability and security in the region and now the escalating animosity affects our national security. Syrian armed forces have been conducting assaults as part of military operations into Turkish land despite our several warnings and diplomatic overtures since Sept. 20, 2012. This situation threatens our national security. In this respect, the need for taking precautions and acting quickly against any threats to Turkey has arisen. In the framework of the situation, under Article 92 of the Turkish Constitution, we kindly ask the Turkish Parliament to discuss a motion that authorizes the government for a year to send Turkish troops to foreign countries.”
The decision to propose the motion regarding Syria was made at a late Wednesday meeting between Erdogan and several ministers after the Syrian mortar stroked Akcakale and killed 5 Turkish civilians and wounded 13 others.
Turkey later on Wednesday and early Thursday shelled neighboring regions of Syria and some soldiers have reportedly been killed in the attacks.
Meanwhile Syria has apologized through the United Nations for the mortar strike, Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay said on Thursday.
“Syria accepts that it did it and apologizes. They said nothing like this will happen again. That’s good. The UN mediated and spoke to Syria in the evening,” Atalay said.
http://www.kurdpress.com/En/NSite/FullStory/News/?Id=2658#Title=%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09Turkey parliament passes motion against Syria%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09

October 4th, 2012, 11:22 am

 

ghufran said:

anybody who knows why the cease fire in Qudsayyah came to an end?
regime sources are blaming the rebels, locals are asking for a break so they can get out of town, a major assault is expected, rebels targeted Masaken al-dubbat yesterday and today and bragged about killing 12 officers ,that was probably the trigger hawks were waiting for.

October 4th, 2012, 11:30 am

 

jna said:

Among the Iranian-Americans

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/among-the-iranian-americans/

…”At NIAC, there is a pretty clear political consensus: the Iranian regime is repugnant, fascist, and embarrassing–all words I heard applied to it repeatedly.”

…”I have never met an Iranian of any political stripe ready to concede Israel’s demand for a regional nuclear monopoly.”

…”(Tara 🙂 )”If last night was indicative, there is a fairly astonishing glamour quotient among Iranian women.”

October 4th, 2012, 11:40 am

 

Tara said:

Poor Qudsayyah is located near the housing of all alawite republican guards. It is at risk of a massacre slitting throat of infants at any second. I hope The residents there flee somewhere.

October 4th, 2012, 11:42 am

 

Tara said:

JNA

We are much prettier..no comparison

October 4th, 2012, 11:45 am

 

Albo said:

SL

Someone else denied you your Syrianhood too, so I guess we’re on the same boat right now 😉

My Syrian identity card is in my wallet, thank you. Insensitive, patronizing?
You or your like-minded posters here, most of you live in the west. You are minorities there. Your difference is accepted, and you enjoy your cultural rights and your existence is protected.

And yet some of you are islamists or support parties like the muslim brotherhood, people who want to deny exactly those rights to the minorities of Syria. True, few explicitly spit it out. But the rest of you are carefully tiptoeing around the issue, or treat it as secondary. While cozying up with the culprits. And supporting people on the ground who have clearly acted on these principles.

This is the central issue of this conflict. And you guys are not fooling anyone.

This isn’t going anywhere. So long as you don’t come clean, no political solution will emerge in Syria. Turning a blind eye to terrorism, cheering for Syria’s historical enemies who are eager to exploit the situation won’t change the situation an iota. Insensitive, patronizing or not.

October 4th, 2012, 11:59 am

 

ghufran said:

here we go:
أفادت مصادر المعارضة السورية بمقتل ثمانية عشر عنصرا على الاقل من قوات الحرس الجمهوري جراء تفجير واطلاق نار في ريف دمشق، وذكر المرصد السوري لحقوق الانسان “المعارض” أن الانفجار نتج عن عبوة ناسفة زرعها مسلحون قرب مساكن الحرس الجمهوري في منطقة قدسيا غرب العاصمة دمشق
it is always the poor and the disadvantaged who pay the price, rich alawites and rich sunnis are largely immune from the bloodshed but they sure can incite violence and give lectures about freedom and democracy.

October 4th, 2012, 12:31 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

Same argument can be made about you as the one you are attempting to paint SyriaLover in.

Why did you not confront Warren or the countless others that keep attacking Sunni’s? Are you a Sunni hater as well? If I use your simplistic and rather backwards train of thought you can potentially be the king/queen of Sunni haters on here…

Not sure what your prerogative is yet, but as we say in Arabic طالعة ريحتك.

It is idiotic and foolish to worry about islamists when they have not committed an iota of the crimes being committed daily by the beast of the regime. Even if the bombs that devastated Sa’adallah Jabri Square turn out to be the work of Islamists it is nothing compared to the daily BARRELS FILLED WITH TNT being dropped over the heads of innocent civilians, or the fact BREAD LINES are being targeted by regime MiG’s or the countless of beastly massacres committed by this regime.

October 4th, 2012, 12:31 pm

 

zoo said:

The rebels new dignified strategy to correct tumbling defections: Hashish and sending kids to lure the Syrian army soldiers at checkpoints.

Cajoling, Drugging and More as Rebels Try to Draw Defectors

By KAREEM FAHIM and HWAIDA SAAD
Published: October 3, 2012 8 Comments
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/world/middleeast/syria-rebels-press-harder-to-gain-more-fighters.html?_r=1

But now opposition commanders say defections have slowed to a trickle. Some commanders have given up trying to entice defectors, and others have resorted to more desperate measures: cajoling, duping, threatening and even drugging and kidnapping military men to get them to change sides, or at least stay out of the fight. Without defections, they say, the opposition cannot hope to grow, never mind prevail.

“We use means only used by the devil,” said Ahmed Qunatri, a rebel commander in northern Syria who defected from the Republican Guard

October 4th, 2012, 1:27 pm

 
 

Roland said:

@41 Citizen

Canada’s government is promoting conflict with Iran mostly out of crass, cynical self-interest.

Canada’s economy has become very heavily dependent (about one-third) upon energy exports. The recent rise of USA domestic oil & gas production, due to fracking and other unconventional sources, has frightened the Canadian government, which is also worried about the American-style credit and real estate bubble in Canada.

Therefore, Canadian foreign policy is now aimed at promoting and provoking conflict in the Middle East, in the hope that it will boost world energy prices, and hinder production in both Iran and Iraq.

Pro-Zionism is of course a factor in Canadian politics, but Harper’s bellicosity is mostly about economics.

Unfortunately Canadian media, and even the Opposition in Parliament, have so little familiarity with power-politics, that they are unable to recognize what their own government is trying to do.

October 4th, 2012, 2:44 pm

 

Citizen said:

189. ROLAND
Thank you, Mr. Roland for an explanation !

October 4th, 2012, 2:57 pm

 

Roland said:

Joshua,

I find your remarks on the class element in the Syrian civil war interesting, but I also find it strange that there was little mention of class issues on SC in the past.

Instead, the blog often featured typical neoliberal economic analysis. The rise of luxury hotels and conspicuous consumption was applauded, and there were calls for the abolition of fuel and food subsidies–all things which would tend to exacerbate class division.

When Syria was following the global neoliberal reform model, there was no mention of class conflict or consequences. Now that Syria is wracked by civil war, there is concern for the poorer classes.

October 4th, 2012, 2:58 pm

 
 

ghufran said:

make sure you have what a nurse friend calls an “emesis basin” before you read this:
قال الأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية “نبيل العربي” اليوم الخميس “إن الاعتداء الذي تعرضت له بلدة تركية بقذيفة أطلقها الجيش السوري عبر الحدود يمثل تهديدا للأمن والسلم”.
وقال بيان أصدرته الجامعة العربية “إن العربي عبر عن قلقه البالغ إزاء الاعتداء”
many AL employees are impotent overpaid pimps.

October 4th, 2012, 3:25 pm

 

zoo said:

This looks like the start of regional conflict in the Middle East – but neither Turkey nor Syria want war

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/this-looks-like-the-start-of-regional-conflict-in-the-middle-east–but-neither-turkey-nor-syria-want-war-8198096.html

Like everyone else Turkey has been caught off-guard by developments in the Arab world – and they have other threats to deal with than Syria


The West loves to see the Middle East troubles in terms of Shia-Sunni and other religious divides

Syria has neither the means nor the interest in taking on Turkey at this moment. It is terrified of it. Hence the grovelling apology and offers of condolences which followed the original mortar attack.

But then neither does Turkey want war. True, it supports the rebels by allowing them to set up bases on its land and enabling a flow of arms to cross its border. True, too, that Ankara has consistently pushed for safe zones to be set up within Syria to cope with the flood of refugees – an act of war if Turkey or Nato were to move into Syria to impose them.

Turkey, however, is pushing for it to be done as an international act not a unilateral one. Nor, for all the public pronouncements that Assad must go, does Turkey wish to intervene militarily itself. When its aircraft was brought down by Syrian air defence in the summer, it confined its response to diplomatic protest.

October 4th, 2012, 3:42 pm

 

zoo said:

No wonder they prefer to join the rebels in Syria with a Qatari-Saudi salary.

U.S. Paid Guards $4 per Hour at Threatened Benghazi Consulate

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/10/benghazi-guards/

October 4th, 2012, 3:48 pm

 

zoo said:

The Syrian soldiers killed by the ‘retaliatory’ Turkish attack are not even mentioned. I guess they don’t count as much as the 5 killed Turks.
……
An infuriated Ankara immediately retaliated by pounding unspecified Syrian targets, killing several Syrian soldiers, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which did not give an exact figure.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-apologises-for-deadly-shelling-turkey-minister.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31656&NewsCatID=338

October 4th, 2012, 3:53 pm

 

zoo said:

Alleged killers of US envoy apprehended in Istanbul: Claim

ISTANBUL – Hürriyet Daily News

Two Tunisian citizens accused of being behind the recent murder of the U.S. ambassador to Libya in Benghazi were apprehended last night by police at Istanbul Atatürk Airport while trying to enter Turkey with fake passports, according to private channel Kanal D.

October 4th, 2012, 3:54 pm

 

Jasmine said:

We had enough nightmares,we all could do with a good dream.
A Very talented Syrian artist.
http://www.albawaba.com/entertainment/safwan-dahoul-syria-444894

October 4th, 2012, 4:02 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

191. Citizen

Who is that crazy man, a preacher of the advestism of the seventh day?

He cares a shet the syrian people. Where was he when people was imprisoned and tortured in syrian prisons during 40 years?

October 4th, 2012, 4:13 pm

 

Syrialover said:

# 186. SON OF DAMASCUS

You said all that’s needed to be said to ALBO.

I asked if his comments parrotting the Assadist line were coming from ignorance or involvement.

He has apparently indicated it’s the latter, which is far worse.

My reading of him is that he’s not really worried about Islamists and the Gulf states and all the usual don’t-focus-on-Assad stuff.

He’s just having panic attacks about Assad’s failure to “win”.

And the direction – or rather lack of direction – in his comments about Syria show he’s content for the country to burn.

If there’s no Assad,the Albos of this forum have no stake left in Syria.

(Not that they ever really had any deep stake – just what they could get out of it, findng a nicer life in the west).

And by the way, his reading on me couldn’t be further from reality. I am preparing for the loss of everything in Aleppo. But I will rebuild. Syria is more than Assad’s crazed, cruel filthy engineered chaos.

October 4th, 2012, 4:14 pm

 

Citizen said:

West Use Choleras Terrorists in Turkey to Bait Syria as with Soviets in Afghanistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irxoMwqcy50
In a bid to speed up their time tables for Spring 2013, the West and their proxy Turkey are now baiting Syria into a wider regional conflict. Turkey’s parliament has authorized cross-border military operations into Syria ‘when necessary’ following a casual mortar-shelling incident on the Turkish-Syrian border. UK Column’s Patrick Henningsen breaks down the geopolitical dynamics of this latest dangerous situation…

October 4th, 2012, 4:23 pm

 

Citizen said:

‘Turkey can’t afford full-scale war with Syria’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HORsphbWJME&feature=share&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg
Turkey’s parliament has authorized cross-border military operations into Syria ‘when necessary.’ The move follows a cross-border mortar-shelling into Turkey which Damascus has apologized for.

Marcus Papadopoulos, the publisher and editor of ‘Politics First’ magazine says Syria conflict can potentially ignite the whole region into one big fireball.

October 4th, 2012, 4:25 pm

 

Citizen said:

Turkey continues Syria shelling, seeks approval for military action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmL_QRvS5c&feature=share&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg
Turkey’s military has launched fresh artillery strikes against Syria. It had earlier fired on the war-torn state in retaliation to the shelling coming from the Syrian side which killed five Turkish civilians. Several Syrians were also reported dead as a result of the unprecedented military exchange.

October 4th, 2012, 4:33 pm

 

Citizen said:

Seeds of Saudi Discontent: Unemployment Festers In Kingdom With No Sign of Reversal
http://middleeastvoices.voanews.com/2012/01/seeds-of-saudi-discontent-unemployment-festers-in-kingdom-with-no-sign-of-reversal/

Once unimaginable, protests are now being held in Saudi Arabia, advocating for release of political prisoners.

Families of political prisoners in Saudi Arabia have been doing what was once unthinkable in this kingdom and holding small protests outside prisons and government buildings to demand the release of inmates, some of whom have been held without charges for years. Detentions without trial are a common practice in the Arab Middle East but have gained new notoriety as as motivating factor behind the Arab Spring uprisings that have swept the region. Though none suggests an uprising is in the offing in Saudi Arabia, the recent protests there were a rare phenomenon in one of the most tightly policed countries in the world. “Most protesters are members of the families of political detainees arrested in 2003,” says Christoph Wilke, senior researcher at Human Rights Watch, which has been criticizing Saudi Arabia’s repression of protests. After a wave of deadly attacks in the kingdom by al-Qaeda terrorists from 2003 to 2006, authorities launched a crackdown on members of the group founded by Saudi-born Osama bin Laden. But others were swept up in the dragnet

It is difficult to see behind the scenes here, but perhaps, given the sclerotic leadership of the House of Saud, this country could be getting ripe for some kind of challenge to its monarchy.

And this is absolutely NOT what the US wants to happen, particularly if Iranian oil goes off line due to an invasion.

October 4th, 2012, 4:39 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Some druzes I know in Sweida are begining to scare. Some are leaving to the Gulf, other are asking to find some job in Europe.

Druzes like many in Damascus City State have been out of reality for 18 months. They really believed Assad would defeat the ¨gangs of terrorists¨ in the following 15 days. This is the same mantra heard in Damascus from 15 march 2011.

Welcome the druze people to real Syria. A country under the effects of a Revolution bulleted by Assad Killers and turn into a all out civil war.

October 4th, 2012, 4:41 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

CITIZEN,

Any input from inside real Syria from your own? Or just posting more and more links?

Happy about the changes in Saudi Arabia? I am sure me and all the activists inside Syria share the same feeling. But you just enjoy because it happens in Saudi Arabia not because it could mean positive changes in their society. You do not care about freedom and dignity. This is why you defend the criminal repression of the tamerlanji regime of Assad the Mongol.

Keep on posting links that will not change reality while anonymous activists inside Syria keep on changing the reality day after day.

October 4th, 2012, 4:47 pm

 

Citizen said:

Jordan’s king dissolves parliament, calls early elections
Jordan’s King Abdullah II issued a royal decree dissolving parliament and called early elections, the royal palace announced on Thursday. The statement comes on the eve of a major opposition rally to demand reforms. The protesters are calling for greater political freedoms and a curbing of both corruption and unemployment in the country.

October 4th, 2012, 4:47 pm

 

Albo said:

SL, we have seen you patting visitor on the back, and your duplicity is noted. That can’t be said of SoD. Calling me an Assadist is an easy diversion, but keep going…

SoD, Warren and Co, they can be gross but they are all talk. They don’t have hordes of militants behind them and indoctrinated youths ready to draw blood.

The islamists on the other hand, are doing harm the world over. I don’t defend the rights of minorities as if they were abstract concepts, for the love of arguing, but because real people and whole communities are endangered.

I’ll start to listen to people screaming about Islamophobia when they demonstrate they reject persecutions done by muslims on minorites. If they did, I would side with them immediately. Stop the double standards.

Some minorities are subservient (Copts) other are fighting back (Kurds), other managed to become dominant (Alawis).

But all are being or were persecuted throughout history. About Alawis, Robert Kaplan said that Hafez coming to power was like “an untouchable becoming maharajah in India”.
Alain Chouet who is an ex officer of the French intelligence services who spent decades in Syria, said that for the minorities to accept reforms that would pave the way for the salafi islamists in power would be the equivalent of asking American blacks in the south to accept returning to their pre-civil war state.
Blacks, untouchables? External observers are acknowledging that sunni society is extremely segregative. So there are exerting heavy repression? Your rebels haven’t been nice either, and never have been including during the hama uprising. They just were outgunned. Had they the means, had they planes and artilery they would have used them too as they don’t shy away from blowing themselves and dozens of civilians. If the West really empowers them, then these asymmetric casualties will be a thing of the past and you won’t be able to use this argument anymore.

And very few here condemns terrorist attacks,, so I wonder who’s stinking really.

October 4th, 2012, 4:59 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ROLAND #191

You undermine your comments with your almost extreme conspiracist leftist posture.

Nobody could have been more disgusted and frustrated with the luxury hotel “investment” in Syria than I was, or more concerned about the neglect of rural areas and so on.

And I found my views were well supported, endorsed and continually informed by SyriaComment in the years leading up to this crisis.

You must have skipped those parts.

October 4th, 2012, 5:22 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ROLAND #189

You said: “Canadian foreign policy is now aimed at promoting and provoking conflict in the Middle East, in the hope that it will boost world energy prices, and hinder production in both Iran and Iraq.”

That’s actually funny. What next! Canada is wasted on you.

It’s obviously nice to be able live comfortably in a country like Canada and not have to think about its institutions, politics and economy in any depth. Just enjoying the freedom to spend your time shadow boxing and cooking up conspiracy theories.

PS The Iranian and Iraqi “governments” have been doing massive amounts to hinder oil production in their own countries through their own incompetence, corruption and misrule. Do some research, it might calm your anti-western conspiracist outrage.

October 4th, 2012, 5:37 pm

 

Tara said:

Any news update?

October 4th, 2012, 5:55 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

FT article.

Syria central banker rebuts crisis claims

October 4, 2012

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/348f2c14-0cb1-11e2-a73c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28N3f9aBd

October 4th, 2012, 6:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Cowards apologize secretly.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/shelling-now-under-investigation-says-syrian-minister.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31636&NewsCatID=359#.UG2AxEqqjcI.twitter
Syria apologises for deadly shelling: Turkey minister
ANKARA – Agence France-Presse

Syria has admitted it was responsible for a shelling that killed five civilians on Turkish soil and apologised, Turkey’s deputy prime minister said  today.
 
“The Syrian side has admitted what it did and apologised,” Besir Atalay told reporters.

October 4th, 2012, 6:20 pm

 

ghufran said:

أكد المندوب السوري في مجلس الامن بشار الجعفري، أن الحكومة السورية لم تقدم أي رسالة اعتذار للحكومة التركية، ولن تقدم اي رسالة اعتذار لها على القذيفة التي سقطت من الجانب السوري على منطقة تركية حدودية وادت الى مقتل 5 أشخاص أتراك.
وفي حديث لمراسلة “النشرة” في نيويورك، شدد الجعفري على ان “الحكومة السورية بصدد التحقيق في الحادثة وليس الاعتذار”
Aljaafari effectively called Turkish PM deputy a liar, the latter said that Syria admitted wrongdoing and apologized.
I had the chance to look at a collection of photos about the destruction in five Syrian cities,I never thought Syrians,pro or anti, will be criminal enough to do what they did, some of us thought that Hama of 1982 can never happen again and I wanted to believe that only foreign jihadists can destroy a country built by Syrians’ hard-earned money but I was wrong, we probably do not deserve that country.

October 4th, 2012, 6:20 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

“SoD, Warren and Co, they can be gross but they are all talk. They don’t have hordes of militants behind them and indoctrinated youths ready to draw blood”

Oh and the tala2e3 al-Baath were just a mere scout group? Please spare us the BS. What was that Tala2e3 Al-Baath song again:

أبو باسل قائدنا باسمو بنقتل عدونا

This bloody regime has been indoctrinating Syrians against each other from day one.

My brother when he was a child almost went to jail because he repeated a silly joke about Havez at a hairdresser, a friend of mine disappeared from his dorm room at AUB for 2 and half years for posting a joke about Besho. Tal Malouhi was jailed and at the time was the youngest prisoner of conscious because her poems about Palestine and Gandhi, and all of this was before the revolution ever started. And what is really shocking is that in all three cases it was a family member or a close “friend” that informed the authorities.

If you are so scared of the Islamists where were the likes of you when this revolution was peaceful? Don’t you see your callous inaction and foolish indoctrination to fear the unknown not only empowered the Butcher but indirectly welcomed foreign elements into Syria? Had you and your likes not shunned the poor and called them every name in the dictionary (except Syrian) do you really think we would be here?

You might not be an Assadist, but you are an apologists which is worse. You are apologizing for the mass murder of Syrians for the sake of “security”. Genocide does not equal security, in any sense of the word. And what kind of minority protection is it when the majority is being slaughtered?

For the record every element of the opposition HAS condemned EVERY bombings including the one in Aleppo. Al-Nusra Front’s leader was killed by non-other than the Farouk Brigade, and many FSA soldiers have expressed their displeasure with NF and that they will fight them after Assad falls…

To say that Syrians that have sacrificed so much for their country will let a bunch of Salafi fools run the country unopposed is short sighted and selling the Syrian people for cheap.

October 4th, 2012, 6:21 pm

 

Warren said:

158 ALBO

SL is just another taqqiyya Sunni hypocrite there are so many of them and so easy to spot. SL while he lives in Canada a liberal democracy that tolerates anti-freedom Islamists such as himself. He supports his co-religionists in their power grab in Syria, he hates Bashar Al Assad for one reason and one reason only: Al Assad’s religion.

Sunnis such as SL, Salafi VAT & SOD have one transparent agenda; to re-establish Sunni Arab power in Syria. That’s why these Sunnis that live in the West are so shameless and enthusiastic in accepting support from the most, vile, primitive, totalitarian, theocratic, and feudal regimes of the Gulf.

Sunni intolerance of other Muslims and religions is obvious and well known, whether it is bombing Shia neighborhoods in Baghdad, attacking churches in Kenya/Nigeria, Buddhist temples in Bangladesh, killing Ismails/Ahmadis, & Hindus in Pakistan. Sunnis are rabid and merciless in imposing their yoke on everyone who is different from them.

Don’t expect these Sunni taqqiyyas to ever condemn and admit to the barbarism that is committed in their name and to advance their power plays. Instead they’ll cry “racism/islamophobia”.

Muslim Persecution of Christians: August, 2012
“We do not want infidels in this area”

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3382/muslim-persecution-of-christians-august-2012

October 4th, 2012, 6:29 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO #208

For God’s sake lift the game.

I don’t have to be told excitedly all about terrorists and Islamists. I could probably argue against them more powerfully than you could, judging from your shallow approach to the subject.

But what IS new in horror and damage is the scale of STATE TERRORISM of the Assad regime which is shocking the world daily with its unprecedented depravity, ruthlessness and criminality.

A “government” that is determined to reduce the whole country to rubble and corpses rather than give away a molecule of illegitimate power.

But hey, that’s a no-go subject to you.

Why?

October 4th, 2012, 6:29 pm

 

syrian said:

Albo 207
this is the only thing i can find suitable for your comments

October 4th, 2012, 6:34 pm

 

Tara said:

 غادة عويس@GhadaOwais 
BREAKING: 320 Turkish MPs cast YES vote against 129 NOs for the motion authorising military operation against #Syria. #Turkey

70% of the Turkish MPs voted yes.  That means Erdogan has the support of 2/3 of the Turkish population.  I do not believe he will escalate the issue any further this time.  Bashar, the retard hopefully will make the same mistake again.  He and his republican guards and 4th brigade should then become fair target and should be neutralized.  Erdogan should not target the Syrian conscripts.  He should go for the head and rid the world from this evil.   

October 4th, 2012, 6:35 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

SyriaLover,

“That’s actually funny. What next! Canada is wasted on you.”

Wonder what kind off reaction he will have when he finds out that most of the crude energy in Canada is actually owned by China…

Oh yeah for the record Quebec which is Canada’s second largest economy after Ontario is one of the largest exporters of energy, but the “clean” kind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydro-Québec

Canada’s stance towards Iran has more to do with the fact Iranian spies and thugs have been kicked out of Canada for threatening Canadian citizens with harm, and the fact a Canadian citizen was murdered and raped by Iranian officials in Iran, and the fact that the wife of the Canadian Defence Minister’s father was imprisoned and tortured in Iran…

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/07/pol-baird-canada-iran-embassy.html

(For the record I am no fan of the conservative party, but their decision vis-a-vis Iran is something I wholeheartedly back)

October 4th, 2012, 6:41 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Phone lines, and routes leading to Qurdaha are still shut. I read earlier this week that some activists were tying to dedicate this Friday after the brave Alawis that are standing up to this callous and brutal regime.

عالهودلك يابا عالهودلية يا ويلي ويلي يا جبلة حبك غالي عقلبي أمواج البحر بتندهلي وبدنا نحيي اللاذقية

Allah ye7ayi Ahl El Sahel.

Syria: Bashar al-Assad relative wounded in family hometown
A prominent relative of President Bashar al-Assad has been seriously wounded in an outbreak of fierce gun battles in the family hometown between factions of Alawite gangs divided over loyalty to the Syrian leader.

Mohammed al-Assad, the head of the “Shabiha” smuggling network in the family’s ancestral mountain town of al-Qardaha is said to have been shot during a row over with other prominent Alawite families over the continued reign of President Assad.
“He was hurt during fighting at the weekend and is in a critical condition. He may even be dead now,” said Abdul Rahman of the Syrian Observatory for human rights.
The fight reportedly began when Mr Assad, who is known locally as the “Sheikh of the Mountain” and his men overheard a conversation by members of the towns other main Alawite clans, including the prominent Othman family.
“The families were angry that their sons are dying on the front lines in fighting for Bashar, when the Assad family itself has had very few of its members killed,” said a female resident of Latakia province who spoke using the name “Ega”.
Mr Assad, who is from the same generation of the family as the president, is said to have drawn a revolver from his hilt and fired into the air.

[…]

“The Assad family is relatively small in al-Qardaha, but they were in control because they rule the country and control the town’s shabiha,” said analyst Ayman Haddad.
The town was often ravaged by fights between rival groups over the control of smuggling routes, but the battle at the weekend was the first sign of open rivalry over the leadership of the Syrian President, residents told the Daily Telegraph.
“This is the first time there is fighting over a political issue. This could have serious repercussions,” said a student calling himself Ahmed whose cousin lives in the town.

[…]

The battles and reportedly widespread resentment seething in Assad’s home town is the first sign of an Alawite community starting to turn against the Syrian President, said Haddad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9584158/Syria-Bashar-al-Assad-relative-wounded-in-family-hometown.html

October 4th, 2012, 6:55 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Sounds like civil war in the regime heartlands. There goes the idea of a coastal Assadist State.

October 4th, 2012, 7:03 pm

 

Warren said:

Israel’s staunchest ally: Stephen Harper has transformed Canada’s Mideast policy

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/26/israels-staunchest-ally-stephen-harper-has-transformed-canadas-mideast-policy

You have to give Harper credit he has reversed Canada’s long left wing tradition of antipathy towards Israel and sympathy towards Palestinians. Canada is now more pro-Israel than the United States; Canada is now confronting the Islamists that have taken advantage of its generosity at home.

Islam and their left wing apologists will be defeated: Harper is leading the charge! Harper understands the expansionist deceitful Sunni Islamist mentality and threat at home.

Harper says ‘Islamicism’ biggest threat to Canada
Prime minister says Conservatives will bring back controversial anti-terrorism laws

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/06/harper-911-terrorism-islamic-interview.html

No doubt Sunni Islamist Supremacists like SL, SOD & Salafi VAT have already gained the attention of the CSIS like their ikhwan Maher Arar.

Islamicism is a threat to both Canada and Syria!

October 4th, 2012, 7:11 pm

 

Syrialover said:

WARREN # 216 wrote:

“SL is just another taqqiyya Sunni hypocrite there are so many of them and so easy to spot. SL while he lives in Canada a liberal democracy that tolerates anti-freedom Islamists such as himself. He supports his co-religionists in their power grab in Syria, he hates Bashar Al Assad for one reason and one reason only: Al Assad’s religion.”

Wow! I get a hilariously inaccurate fantasy ID and persona invented by you for you to play cyber warriors with.

And you show how hysterically illogical you are with the words: “[SL] hates Bashar Al Assad for one reason and one reason only: Al Assad’s religion.”

Again, if you are Christian I recommend you seek a clearer and healthier take on the world by drawing on authentic Christianity, not the cheap sectarian ID version.

October 4th, 2012, 7:16 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

“Islamicism is a threat to both Canada and Syria!”

And bigotry is a threat to all of human kind…

And the Toronto Sun is not in anyway a credible news source, it is on par with the now defunct Sunday Times of the UK. Its only good use is as toilet paper when you run out of TP.

No wonder bigots and idiots like Warren like it…

October 4th, 2012, 7:16 pm

 

Numayri said:

Albo and Zoo, are you Alawi/Syrian?

October 4th, 2012, 7:40 pm

 

Warren said:

Muslim Extremists Number One Terror Threat, Canada Warns

Muslim extremists are the “leading threat to Canada’s national security,” warns a Cabinet minister, but media whitewash his report.

Toews’ report specifically focused on Sunni Muslim extremists. He stated that while “Al Qaeda affiliates may pose a threat of terrorist attacks from abroad, violent ‘homegrown’ Sunni Islamist extremists are posing a threat of violence within Canada.…”

“A number of individual extremists from Western countries have attempted terrorist attacks, inspired by but not directly connected to Sunni Islamist extremists abroad. In 2006, 18 individuals were arrested in Ontario for participating in a terrorist group whose intent was to bomb a number of symbolic Canadian institutions.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/152685
________________________________________________________________

Sunni Islamist extremism Canada’s top security threat: Tories

Saying terrorism remained a significant threat, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews unveiled a national counter-terrorism strategy Thursday that put the emphasis on confronting the indoctrination that has led some Canadians to radical violence.

The strategy, meant to guide federal counter-terrorism efforts, identified Sunni Islamist extremism as Canada’s top security threat and committed the government to making communities more “resilient” to the influence of extremist ideologues.

“To succeed, the government’s counter-terrorism efforts cannot be limited to operations directed at groups or individuals already involved in terrorist activities. They must also be reinforced by preventive measures, aimed at keeping vulnerable individuals from being drawn into terrorism,” it read.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/09/counter-terrorism-strategy/

October 4th, 2012, 7:40 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Alliance_(Canada)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Aryan_Resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

All of these bigots used Jesus as an excuse to kill, does it mean Christianity is inherently dangerous? NO, but for some foolish idiots that can’t differentiate between the two they might as well be the same…

I think Warren is a full fledge member of the Skinhead movement which is known for disgusting attacks against south Asians and called it “Paki Bashing”.

Vile and disgusting is what him and his rat friends really are, nothing more nothing less.

October 4th, 2012, 7:59 pm

 

Halabi said:

“Syria tells Russia attack on Turkish town was accident” – That’s the Reuters headline and below are the relevant passages. U.N. Security Council resolution condemning the Assad regime was approved earlier.

So when it comes to responsibility for the attack, who should we believe? Bashar Al Ja3fari, a known liar, or perhaps the sectarian opponents of the revolution who only see violence from one side, who only see intervention from Qatar, Saudi and Turkey but never from Hezbollah and Iran?

from Reuters

“RIA Novosti news agency said Lavrov had also told reporters during a visit to Islamabad that Russia had urged Syria to acknowledge this in public.

“Through our ambassador to Syria, we have spoken to the Syrian authorities who assured us … that what happened at the border with Turkey was a tragic accident, and that it will not happen again,” RIA quoted Lavrov as saying.

“We think it is of fundamental importance for Damascus to state that officially.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/syria-crisis-russia-idUSL6E8L478G20121004?type=marketsNews

October 4th, 2012, 8:03 pm

 

Syrian said:

They come in all shapes and sizes, I bet warren will love this one.

Minnesota Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann courted controversy today by claiming that falafel and other “jihadi foods” should be banned from school lunches in the United States.
http://dailycurrant.com/2012/09/28/bachmann-we-ban-falafel-school-lunches/

October 4th, 2012, 8:14 pm

 

Tara said:

By having the Assad phalanges withdraw from the Turkish borders to appease Turkey, a de facto buffer zone is created.  I congratulate Assad’s advisors for their stupidity.

The Baath Regime is committing suicide
….
The Syrian regime has actually lost control in most of the country. The state in Syria has, in effect, collapsed. As it nears its second year the Syrian uprising seems to have reached maturity. In a nation where three people could not gather for a conversation without raising alarms two years ago, a period of eighteen months has seen the uprising, both armed and civilian, become a wide spread resistance movement. Those who are familiar with the police regime in Syria understand better what it means for the Syrian opposition to grow into an effective form of power. After months of resistance, the Syrian regime is entirely transformed into a sectarian interest party…. 
..
Turkey’s definitive stance on the issue shifted the Syrian resistance’s regional dynamics and event the faith of the Syrian regime. The Syrian regime is now left alone and vulnerable while the resistance has gained confidence and momentum. It would not be wrong to claim that the Aleppo-Idlib passage is transformed into a de facto buffer zone. At this point, al-Assad is forced to leave behind, in every way, his stratagem about Syria and concentrate on stratagem for his own interests. Those who advised the Syrian regime to carry the war across the Turkish border in the face of the recent developments are now realizing the mistake they have been making since last June. Those same advisers, instead of drawing a new road map for al-Assad, are probably already making their post-al-Assad plans!
October/05/2012

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/the-baath-regime-is-committing-suicide.aspx?pageID=449&nID=31695&NewsCatID=436

October 4th, 2012, 8:14 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Tara was right, the Syrian government reversed its position in 24 hours and issued an apology but I have not seen the full text assuming that there is one. The UNSC has yet to condemn terrorist attacks in Syria but is trying to issue a condemnation for the killing of 5 Turks, Russia which was behind the Syrian apology is refusing to accept the proposed text about the Turkish incident. Turkey will only change its policies if it starts to pay a heavy price for those policies. Qatar on the other hand is a harder target due to its location and other factors, you will see a change in Turkey’s position well before Qatar does unless US interests require otherwise,welcome to the Middle East, Syria’s enemies wanted a failed state with no winners and that what they got, neither the regime nor the rebels will be allowed to emerge as clear victors.

October 4th, 2012, 8:15 pm

 

Ghufran said:

عقدت وزارة الخارجية الفرنسية يوم الخميس مؤتمراً صحافياً مغلقا في مبنى الخارجية حول الأوضاع في سوريا شارك فيه السفير الفرنسي في دمشق إريك شوفاليه فضلا عن مصدر فرنسي يتابع أمر الملف السوري في الخارجية الفرنسية فضلا عن مهمة التواصل بين حكومته والمعارضة السورية.
وقال المصدر الفرنسي أن النظام السوري لن يسقط بضربة سريعة، ولكننا نعمل على المدى المتوسط والبعيد وفي النهاية سوف يسقط بفعل الضغوط الاقتصادية والضغوط السياسية.
أحد الصحافيين الفرنسيين في القاعة قال للمصدر لقد قلتم في السابق ان النظام السوري لن يصمد إلا أسابيع قليلة، لكن المصدر نفى ذلك، فما كان من صحافي آخر إلا ان أكد ما قاله زميله متوجها الى المصدر الفرنسي المسؤول بالقول : “لقد رأيت ذلك في الرسالة التي وجهها وزير الخارجية الفرنسي ووزير الخارجية الإيطالي لوزيرة خارجية الاتحاد الأوروبي كاترين أشتون في شهر تموز /يوليو الماضي، وكان مكتوبا في الرسالة حرفيا “سوف يسقط نظام الرئيس الأسد خلال عدة أسابيع” فرد المصدر المسؤول من أين اطلعت على الرسالة فكان جواب الصحافي الفرنسي “لدي مصادري”.
وتابع المصدر الفرنسي المسؤول ان فرنسا تقدم مساعدات مادية للمعارضة السورية وتتواصل مع لجان الإدارة المحلية في أربعة محافظات لم يحددها، وقال انه تم تقديم مساعدات بقيمة مليون يورو لهذه اللجان وزعت على عشرة لجان محلية كل واحدة حصتها مائة الف يورو، كما ساهمت فرنسا في بناء فرن، وبرر ذلك بالقول ان فرنسا تريد أن تدعم المجتمع المدني حتى يكون لهم دور بعد سقوط النظام ولا تترك الساحة للمسلحين.
وحول الاتهامات لفرنسا بالتعاون مع السلفيين نفى المصدر الفرنسي أن تكون لفرنسا أية علاقة مع المسلحين السلفيين ورد على صحافي فرنسي آخر كان قد قارن بين موقف فرنسا في مالي وموقفها في سوريا وأن فرنسا لا تدعم القاعدة لكن الصحافي قال له لماذا إذن لم تقم فرنسا بإدانة تفجيرات حلب وجاء جواب المصدر الفرنسي المسؤول مرتبكا وقال هذه التفجيرات استهدفت الجيش وهؤلاء جنود النظام!

October 4th, 2012, 8:23 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SON OF DAMASCUS #215

You are applying high octane flames of truth to ALBO’s ass. Go man!

I’d like to add that terrorism and Islamicism (that Albo seems to have just discovered and is frantic with excitement over) is in many ways the default flipside to Assad’s style of regime.

In addition to that, there’s plenty of good analysis out there explaining why it has been important to the Assads to have those elements around to be manipulated and invoked as part of their political toolbox.

I had ALBO marked as an Assidist because he’s not even bothering to apologize for Assad.

October 4th, 2012, 8:34 pm

 

Ghufran said:

أدان مجلس الامن الدولي في بيان تبناه الخميس “بأقسى العبارات القذائف التي اطلقتها القوات السورية” على بلدة حدودية تركية.
وطلب اعضاء مجلس الامن ال15 في بيانهم “وقف مثل هذه الانتهاكات للقوانين الدولية فورا وعدم تكرارها”.
كما طالب البيان “الحكومة السورية بالاحترام الكامل لسيادة جيرانها وسلامة اراضيهم” داعيا الى “ضبط النفس”.

October 4th, 2012, 8:39 pm

 

Visitor said:

“No doubt Sunni Islamist Supremacists like SL, SOD & Salafi VAT have already gained the attention of the CSIS like their ikhwan Maher Arar.

Islamicism is a threat to both Canada and Syria!”

222,

Care to kiss my a**?

October 4th, 2012, 9:35 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

An interesting piece by the Egyptian blogger Zeinobia about what happened in Qardaha and under emphasized existing Alawi support for the revolution. I agree with her 100% when she writes that more needs to be done to seize this “moment” of friction between the clans of Qardaha and Al-Assad clan in order to save Syria.

For the record I always shudder when I read what some commentators whom I generally respect their opinions very much would like to do to Qardaha. The wonderful Samar Yazbek is from there, and many more brave Syrians, we should always keep that in mind. However what to do with Havez (Yel3an Ro7ou)’s grave is a whole other story…

#Syria : Big things always start small

Last Monday October 1, 2012 something took place in Qardaha , the home town of Syrian President/tyranny Bashar Al Assad and his infamous clan , the Alawite stronghold in the mountains of Latakia.
8 people have been killed in the city of Qardaha after a fight between “El Assad clan” and two other clans in the city “Othman and El Khayar”.

[…]

There is no doubt that the big families and clans of Alawites are worried about the future and they want to secure their lives before anything.Some Alawites already on the borders began to leave the country fearing on their lives and moved to Turkey on the borders as they are considerable
Already there are many Alawites who stand with the revolution but unfortunately they are not featured in the media. You got endless number of Alawite activists and intellectuals that have been killed , detained and tortured for supporting the revolution. You got Alawite officers who defected and joined the Free Syrian army in various areas.

[…]

Here are more videos in YouTube for Alawite soldiers and officers defected.
You got also Alawite officers who defected from the army and worked in relief work.Tens of Alawite officers already are reported to be executed in the Syrian Arab army for supporting the revolution. These officers return to their families and clans as victims of the Free Syrian Army’s terrorism.
Last month I read that a group of young men and ladies were detained from Alawite neighborhoods because they were providing help to Sunni areas in Homs city.

[…]

The media especially the Arab media like Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya presented the whole thing as sectarian holy war between Sunni and Shiite that is leading to a real ethnic/sectarian cleansing in Syria with the approval of the world I am afraid.
Of course unfortunately some Sunni Syrian Pro-Revolutionaries online are mocking and attacking Qardaha vowing to wipe the Alawites from the surface of earth. Instead of useless sectarian talk that makes the world afraid of helping the Syrians , the Pro-revolutionary Syrians should seize the opportunity and use these splits in order to win the Alawites in to their side.

[…]

http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/syria-big-things-always-start-small.html

October 4th, 2012, 10:00 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Mark my words, Ansar al-sunna is run by regime elements ( a false flag operation) and has been implanted to paint the revolution in sectarian colors, the regime’s objective from day one. You will never see any explosions or truck/car bombs or even suicide ones in regime neighborhoods/towns/villages. The truth will out sooner or later.

حرية حرية
واحد واحد واحد
الشعب السوري واحد
والنصر آت غصباًعن كل أسدي مجرم حقير

October 4th, 2012, 10:16 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I welcome any dissent among alawis against Assad and Makhlouf criminal enterprise, but that dissent is not likely to get bigger without building bridges with minorities who feel threatened by Islamists and Takfiri elements among the rebels,I do not think Al-Qirdaha inter fights will get much bigger because at the end of the day those anti Assad people will be restrained by the reality caused by a rebel movement that considers any alawite a legitimate target and a suspect until proven otherwise.

October 4th, 2012, 10:37 pm

 

Ghufran said:

قال مصدر خاص لـ عكس السير إن كتائب من الجيش الحر ستتمكن من السيطرة وقبل حلول عيد الأضحى المبارك على قسم كبير من محافظة اللاذقية، للتخفيف من الضغط الذي يعاني منه الجيش الحر في حلب.
وأضاف المصدر وهو ضابط مخابرات سوري منشق أن الطريق الآن ممهد للسيطرة على جبل التركمان وهو الآن يتمركز على بعد 5 كم من مدينة اللاذقية وفي “مشقيتا” تحديداً، كما أن هناك مناطق آمنة داخل اللاذقية للثوار وهم الآن بانتظار ساعة الصفر لتحريرها.
وأكد المصدر أن هناك كتائب جديدة أنهت تدريبها في معسكرات على الحدود التركية تستعد الآن لخوض “معركة الحسم” في اللاذقية على حد تعبيره.
I guess it is now Latakia’s turn to get “liberated” ie destroyed.
That may be part of a psych war but I think the terrorism is coming to Latakia which will finish up any hope of keeping Syria in one piece.

October 4th, 2012, 10:56 pm

 

Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:

Another red herring, ghufran. Why are the calls (repeated by me here at the end of each entry) for a one, united Syrian People totally ignored in favor of a few sectarian squeals that try to do the opposite? No amount of bridge building is going to do anything about the extreme fear the Alawis harbor NOT from the opposition, but at what might happen to them at the hands of the criminal mafia that has silenced them, sidelined them and hijacked their old suffering in order to monopolize power and privilege.

And this brings me to #209 above, that faulty logic which albo borrows from some Frenchman who would be just as likely to have supported the “protection of the disproportionate rights and privileges of the Pieds Noires in Algeria at the expense of the rights of the majority Arabs” Whatever happened to the rule of law that, if applied fairly and consistently, would be more than enough to protect any minority, whether in Syria or anywhere else? Blacks in America wanted no more than equal treatment under the law and finally got it. The sectarian Alawi Assadists wanted ETERNAL SUPERIORITY AND CONTROL for themselves and their supporters under the laws of thuggery. Therefore reforms are out, thuggery and oppression stay forever. How’s that for logic, folks?!

حرية حرية
واحد واحد واحد
الشعب السوري واحد
والنصر آت غصباًعن كل أسدي مجرم حقير

October 4th, 2012, 11:12 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

First Annual Global Conference
Jusoor’s First Annual Global Conference
“Syria 2025: A Forum for Engagement on Syria’s Future”
New York
November 16th, First Annual Global Dinner, 7:00 PM
November 17, 2012, Conference, 9 AM – 5 PM
Conference overview

We all hope for a better Syria by 2025. A Syria that has returned to stability and harmony above all else. But also, a nation that encourages and promotes free speech and the exchange of ideas. A country that offers its people high standards of living, underpinned by strong education and healthcare systems. And a country that promotes opportunity, in which every young woman and man grows up with hope and dreams for the future and finds opportunities within the country’s borders.

The road ahead to realize that vision, more than ever, is full of obstacles. It is hard to speak of economic and social development, when we are watching such a tragedy unfold in our country. But we must begin to prepare for the future now. And the global Syrian community has extraordinary potential to help shape that future and ensure that the Syria of tomorrow lives up to these ideals. Serving as the one of the largest diasporas in the world, the global Syrian community brings extraordinary resources and experiences to the table, but also an unmatched loyalty and commitment to their homeland. Let us come together to imagine the future and lay the foundations to build it.

This conference will focus on the role that the global Syrian community can play in shaping Syria’s future. In particular, panels during the conference will address the following questions:

What is the profile of the global Syrian community? How large are we? Where are we concentrated? What professions and expertise do we hold?
What can the global Syrian community learn from successful diaspora models around the world? How have other countries, including India, China, and Brazil, been able to leverage their expatriate base to support economic, social, and political development?
What are specific ways in which the Syrian community can support the development of Syria’s human capital? What are the primary needs the country has over the next decade? What are long-term models in which education reform has been achieved? What can be done in the short-term and even during the present situation?
What are the specific ways in which the Syrian expatriate community can support economic development? What are the sectors that Syria is best positioned to compete in in 2025? What does Syria need between and now and then in order to develop in these sectors?
We aspire to bring together 300 members of the global Syrian community in New York on November 17, 2012 for our first annual global conference to begin the important work of imaging Syria’s future. We invite you to join us.

If you are interested in getting involved in organizing the conference or learning more, please send us an email at info@jusoor-sy.org.

http://www.jusoor-sy.org/events-3/first-annual-global-conference/

About Jusoor which translates to Bridges:
http://www.jusoor-sy.org/about-jusoor/

October 4th, 2012, 11:20 pm

 

zoo said:

Jordan Moslem Brotherhood Spring?

Jordan king dissolves parliament

Muslim Brotherhood says it is going ahead with its planned rally

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/jordan/jordan-king-dissolves-parliament-1.1085406
AFP
Published: 21:00 October 4, 2012
Gulf News

Amman: Jordan’s King Abdullah II dissolved parliament and called early elections on Thursday, the royal palace announced on the eve of a major opposition rally to demand reforms.

“The king has decided to dissolve the chamber of deputies from this Thursday and to call early elections,” a statement said. It gave no date, but the monarch has said he wants polls to be held by the end of 2012.

The opposition Muslim Brotherhood said earlier that it was going ahead with its planned rally in central Amman on Friday by an estimated 50,000 supporters.

October 4th, 2012, 11:53 pm

 

zoo said:

From Syria with love

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/from-syria-with-love.aspx?pageID=449&nID=31700&NewsCatID=398

There is one more irony about “Black Wednesday.” Only hours before the Syrian shells were fired into Akçakale and exploded, three suicide bombers detonated cars packed with explosives in a government-controlled area of the battleground city of Aleppo in northern Syria, killing more than 40 people and injuring more than 120. Experts agree that the Aleppo bombing technique is a signature style of al-Qaeda-type jihadist groups aiming to depose Bashar al-Assad.

The irony? Recently, al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri called on all Muslims to back the rebels in Syria. Good. Muslim Turkey fully obeys Mr. al-Zawahri’s call for jihad in Syria. But jihad is never cost-free. Jihadists rarely explain why the five civilians killed in the Syrian shelling are innocent victims but the 40 people who died in the Aleppo bombings are just unworthy casualties in a holy war.

In reality, the bombs detonated in Aleppo were “courtesy of jihadists” and the shells exploded in Akçakale were “from Syria with love.”

October 5th, 2012, 12:01 am

 

Ghufran said:

Mohammed Ayoob-The Guardian:
The other major supporters of the Syrian opposition, Saudi Arabia and the US, have the luxury of going “home” and leaving Syria to its fate if the situation there becomes completely anarchic. Unfortunately, being next door Turkey does not have this luxury. It is imperative, therefore, that Ankara tread very warily and undertake a major reassess its involvement. Otherwise, the Syrian mess could become a Turkish mess as well.

October 5th, 2012, 12:16 am

 

Ghufran said:

تسود إدلب حالة من الغضب في أوساط مؤيدي الثورة بعد شيوع أمر الإعدامات حيث ،تقول مصادر تنسيقية كفرتخاريم  إنه يتم استغلال بعض الأخطاء لتصفية الحسابات بين الزعامات المتنافسة على الولاء و المال وهذا يسيء إلى ثورتنا ويفقدها طابعها السلمي بين بعضنا البعض “.
و أكد عضو في التنسيقية أن ” ما يجري في إدلب هو فوضى غير مسبوقة ، الكل في الحقيقة شارك في عمليات ضد الجيش الأسدي ، وبنفس الوقت شارك في  عمليات سطو لتمويل الثورة، و الاحتجاج بأنه تم إعدامهم لأنهم يسرقون هو أمر غريب ، لأنه صدرت فتاوى شرعية بأن التعرض لتجارة أهل حلب الداعمين للطاغية الكافر هو أمر مشروع ” .
و أضاف العضو ” ما جرى هو الحكم عليهم بالموت و إدانتهم بجرم السرقة و إحضارهم لتنفيذ الحكم، إذ أن المحكمة الشرعية حكمت بسرعة بما طلبه الادعاء الثوري على أنه حقيقة مطلقة، و بقسم اثنين من الشهود على القرآن بأنه سارق بإشراف شيخ مشكوك في درجته العلم الشرعي الذي حصله  ” .
من جهته قال شيخ منشق عن النظام السوري وعن الجيش الحر معاً،و طلب عدم نشر اسمه  ” ما جرى سبة في تاريخ ثورتنا العظيمة، لا يجوز ما جرى إطلاقاً ، فسيدنا محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم  قال ادرأوا الحدود بالشبهات ، وبكل الأحوال عقوبة السارق في الشريعة هي قطع اليد ، كانت يجب أن يقطعوا أيديهم فقط ويتركوهم عبرة لمن يعتبر، لو كانوا فعلاً سارقين ” .  
و أوضح الشيخ الذي شارك في الجهاد مع كتيبة ذي النورين ” ما جرى يدل على أنه تم قتلهم بذريعة السرقة وهو أمر أحذر منه ، إذا تسللت التصفيات و الصراعات إلى داخل ثورتنا فنفشل وتذهب ريحنا ” . 
الشيخ اعتبر في اتصال هاتفي أن “الضوابط الشرعية لم تعد تُحترم في المحاكم الشرعية التي أقامها الثوار، ونحن لم نقم بثورة على الحاكم الكافر المعطل لشرع الله لكي يقوم جهلة بأفعال بت أخشى حقيقة من جعل الناس تنفض عنا و تتعامل مع العدو الأسدي ” .
ويتوقع أن يزور الشيخ عدنان العرعور المنطقة لحل الخلافات المتفاقمة بين المشايخ و قادة الكتائب الثورية و التي وصلت حد الاحتراب،وذلك بعد طلب من بعض الوجهاء ومثقفي الثورة في إدلب .

October 5th, 2012, 12:29 am

 

Juergen said:

Robert Fisk:

Sanctions hurt Syria and Iran but regimes can ride on regardless

One of the small but immensely wealthy states which may suffer from Iran’s crisis is Dubai

The Tehran “bazaaris” – the men who have shouted for an end to Iranian subsidies to the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad – have to be taken seriously. They were the rich boys of the souk who supported the Islamic revolution against the Shah, the makers and breakers of Iranian politicians, carpet-sellers and bankers alike, and they believe that Iran gives £7bn a year in subsidies to Damascus.

The figure is unprovable and subject to all kind of Levantine statistical “wobble” – no one knows how much assistance Tehran renders to Damascus in subsidised oil – but it’s less than a month since the leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards admitted that his intelligence agents were “advising” the Syrian government. Now comes the call from the very men who formed the bulwark of Ayatollah Khomeini’s Islamic revolution in 1979 – and who, incidentally, allied themselves with the CIA’s plot to overthrow the democratically elected Mohamed Mossadegh more than half a century ago – to withdraw Iran’s cash from Syria.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/sanctions-hurt-syria-and-iran-but-regimes-can-ride-on-regardless-8198398.html

October 5th, 2012, 2:09 am

 

ann said:

Assault On Syria Matches Brookings Institution Regime Change Strategy – October 4, 2012

Turkey authorizes war, then claims it is not at war with Syria 8)

http://www.infowars.com/assault-on-syria-matches-brookings-institution-regime-change-strategy/

Following today’s parliamentary authorization for Turkey to conduct military attacks inside Syria, a move that is tantamount to a declaration of war, the assault on Syria is beginning to match precisely a strategy outlined by the neo-conservative Brookings Institution to achieve regime change.

Following a mortar strike that killed five people in Turkey’s southeastern town of Akcakale, an attack many have speculated could have been carried out by FSA rebels as a false flag, Turkey responded by bombarding a military post near the border town of Tel Abyad – killing several Syrian soldiers.

Even the New York Times acknowledged that the initial strike on Turkey could just as easily have been the work of “rebels fighting to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad.”

After Turkey continued its attacks inside Syria early this morning, the country’s parliament convened to authorize “military cross-border operations into Syria,” although Turkey’s Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay insisted that the action did not represent an act of war.

So while Turkey is authorizing and conducting military strikes inside Syria and killing Syrian troops, not to mention having headquartered, trained, funded and armed militants to carry out terrorist attacks inside Syria, Turkey’s political leaders are still simultaneously claiming they are not at war with Syria.

This is as equally ludicrous as the scene in Mars Attacks where the aliens proclaim “don’t run, we are your friends,” as they are bombing and destroying the city. Turkey has been engaged in a proxy war with Syria for months and has just elevated that to a full blown military assault led by Turkish forces.

Meanwhile, Israel is diverting Syria’s military attention elsewhere by overseeing a build-up of troops on the Golan Heights, an Israeli-controlled plateau that overlooks southern Syria. After men who could have been either Syrian soldiers or anti-government rebels were seen approaching the area, Israel evacuated tourists and beefed up security in the area.

The confluence of Turkish aggression on the Syrian border and Israel’s move to shore up the Golan Heights is important because it mirrors precisely one of the plans outlined months ago by the neo-conservative Brookings Institution designed to create a pretext for regime change in Syria.

In a March 2012 paper entitled, Saving Syria: Assessing Options For Regime Change, the Brookings Institution, widely acknowledged as the most influential think tank in the United States, outlined its plan to use humanitarian concerns as a manufactured justification to conduct an aggressive military intervention in Syria.

The report reveals how Turkish and Israeli aggression would coincide to precipitate the beginning of the end for the Assad government.

“Israel could posture forces on or near the Golan Heights and, in so doing, might divert regime forces from suppressing the opposition. This posture may conjure fears in the Assad regime of a multi-front war, particularly if Turkey is willing to do the same on its border and if the Syrian opposition is being fed a steady diet of arms and training. Such a mobilization could perhaps persuade Syria’s military leadership to oust Asad in order to preserve itself. Advocates argue this additional pressure could tip the balance against Asad inside Syria, if other forces were aligned properly,” states the report on page six.

Both of these factors, Israel’s posturing on the Golan Heights and Turkey’s hostile border actions, are now in full swing.

“Turkey’s immediate, unwarranted act of military aggression, along with knee-jerk condemnations from the US bear all the hallmarks of an orchestrated event – or at the very least an attempt to opportunistically seize upon an isolated incident to disingenuously advance the West’s collective geopolitical agenda,” writes Tony Cartalucci.

[…]

http://www.infowars.com/assault-on-syria-matches-brookings-institution-regime-change-strategy/

October 5th, 2012, 2:10 am

 

Citizen said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212164/Syria-bomb-blasts-leave-40-dead-rebels-strike-heart-pro-Assad-district.html
Left to lie where she was cut down: Shocking image of the innocent little girl slaughtered in Syria’s civil war who was denied even some dignity in death

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212164/Syria-bomb-blasts-leave-40-dead-rebels-strike-heart-pro-Assad-district.html#ixzz28P0Tbspm
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October 5th, 2012, 2:11 am

 

ann said:

Turkey Attempts to Trigger War Vs. Syria – Oct 4, 2012

After over a year of harboring foreign terrorists and supporting their operations near and across the Turkish-Syrian border, NATO-member Turkey has claimed it has retaliated with military force against “targets” inside Syria for an alleged attack on Turkish territory that it has blamed on the Syrian government.

Despite heavily armed listed-terrorist organizations operating in large numbers on both sides of the Turkish border with Turkey’s explicit approval and logistical support, the government in Ankara appears to have excluded the possibility that these terrorist forces, not the Syrian military, were responsible for the attack which consisted of mortar rounds the armed militants are known to widely use.

The New York Times itself, in its article titled, “Turkey Fires Artillery at Syrian Targets in Retaliation for Civilian Deaths,” concedes that:

It was unknown whether the mortar shells were fired by Syrian government forces or rebels fighting to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad. The Turkish response seemed to assume that the Syrian government was responsible.

Turkey’s immediate, unwarranted act of military aggression, along with knee-jerk condemnations from the US bear all the hallmarks of an orchestrated event – or at the very least an attempt to opportunistically seize upon an isolated incident to disingenuously advance the West’s collective geopolitical agenda.

Syria clearly has no interest in threatening the security of Turkey, nor any reason to attack Turkish territory which would surely give NATO the excuse it has been looking for to directly intervene on behalf of its faltering terrorist proxies.

Turkey Has Longed for a Pretext to Start War with Syria

It was previously reported that Turkey was intended by NATO, and more specifically, Wall Street and London, to lead efforts in carving out “safe havens” in Syria’s north, and to do so either under a false “humanitarian” or false “security” pretext.

This has been confirmed by Fortune 500-funded, US foreign-policy think-tank, Brookings Institution which has blueprinted designs for regime change in Libya as well as both Syria and Iran. In their report, “Assessing Options for Regime Change” it is stated (emphasis added):

“An alternative is for diplomatic efforts to focus first on how to end the violence and how to gain humanitarian access, as is being done under Annan’s leadership. This may lead to the creation of safe-havens and humanitarian corridors, which would have to be backed by limited military power. This would, of course, fall short of U.S. goals for Syria and could preserve Asad in power. From that starting point, however, it is possible that a broad coalition with the appropriate international mandate could add further coercive action to its efforts.” -page 4, Assessing Options for Regime Change, Brookings Institution.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A1LKdrB4W0U/UGyjBIsof8I/AAAAAAAAD6Q/XYN3YOxIPU4/s1600/BrookingsSyriaRegimeChange.tif

Image: The Brookings Institution, Middle East Memo #21 “Assessing Options for Regime Change (.pdf),” makes no secret that the humanitarian “responsibility to protect” is but a pretext for long-planned regime change.
….

Brookings continues by describing how Turkey’s aligning of vast amounts of weapons and troops along its border in coordination with Israeli efforts in the south of Syria, could help effect violent regime change in Syria:

In addition, Israel’s intelligence services have a strong knowledge of Syria, as well as assets within the Syrian regime that could be used to subvert the regime’s power base and press for Asad’s removal. Israel could posture forces on or near the Golan Heights and, in so doing, might divert regime forces from suppressing the opposition. This posture may conjure fears in the Asad regime of a multi-front war, particularly if Turkey is willing to do the same on its border and if the Syrian opposition is being fed a steady diet of arms and training. Such a mobilization could perhaps persuade Syria’s military leadership to oust Asad in order to preserve itself. Advocates argue this additional pressure could tip the balance against Asad inside Syria, if other forces were aligned properly. -page 6, Assessing Options for Regime Change, Brookings Institution.

Turkish leaders have clearly spent much time fabricating various excuses to meet Washington’s demands in this regard by fabricating or taking advantage of violence Turkey itself is fostering along its own border with Syria.

The report would also mention Turkey’s role in helping undermine, subvert, and carve out the ancient northern city of Aleppo:

Because creating a unified national opposition is a long-term project that will probably never fully succeed, the contact group, while not abandoning this effort, may seek more realistic goals. For example, it might concentrate maximum effort on breaking Asad’s hold on, say, the elite of Aleppo, which is the commercial capital and which is also the city where Turkey has the greatest leverage. If Aleppo were to fall to the opposition, the demoralizing effect on the regime would be considerable.

Should this option fail, the United States can simply accept a bad situation in Syria or escalate to one of the military options below. -page 6, Assessing Options for Regime Change, Brookings Institution.

The military options include everything from perpetuating violence to, in Brookings’ own words, “bleed
it, keeping a regional adversary weak, while avoiding the costs of direct intervention,” to Libyan-style “no-fly zones,” to a full military invasion. It is clear, upon reading the Brookings memo, that the conspiracy has indeed begun to unfold since its writing – with various military options being prepared and various co-conspirators positioning themselves to execute them.

The Brookings Institution’s “safe havens” and “humanitarian corridors” are meant to be established by NATO-member Turkey, who has been threatening to partially invade Syria for months in order to accomplish this. And while Turkey claims this is based on “humanitarian concerns,” examining Turkey’s abysmal human rights record in addition to its own ongoing genocidal campaign against the Kurdish people both within and beyond its borders, it is clear they are simply fulfilling the agenda established by their Western patrons on Wall Street and in the city of London.

This latest exchange between Turkey and Syria is not the first. Turkey has fabricated stories before involving Syrian troops “firing across” the Turkish-Syrian border. The New York Times published these bold accusations before admitting further down that “it was unclear what kind of weapons caused the injuries on Sunday around six miles inside Turkish territory,” and that “there were conflicting accounts about the incident.” As are all the accusations used by NATO, the UN, and individual member states to justify meddling in Syria’s affairs, these tales involve hear-say from the rebels themselves.

It is clear that Turkey, NATO, and the UN are continuously attempting to set a pretext for the establishment of “safe havens” and “humanitarian corridors” intended to circumvent the UN Security Council which has seen attempts to green-light military intervention vetoed multiple times by Russia and China.

[…]

http://www.infowars.com/turkey-attempts-to-trigger-war-vs-syria/

October 5th, 2012, 2:23 am

 

ann said:

UN Statement Calls for Restraint From Turkey and Syria, SC Prez Tells ICP

By Matthew Russell Lee

http://www.innercitypress.com/syriaturk3sc100412.html

UNITED NATIONS, October 4 — On the UN Security Council’s press statement on Akcakale in Turkey, what changed in the 22 hours between the silence procedure being broken by Russia and the statement’s read-out by Council President Gert Rosenthal on Thursday evening?

Mostly the inserting of nine final words: “The members of the Security Council called for restraint.”

Inner City Press asked Ambassador Rosenthal, once he had read out the statement, whether it would be fair to read this as a call for restraint by Turkey as well, or just Syria.

“Both,” Rosenthal said. He confirmed that a separate draft press statement on bombings in Aleppo is under the Council’s “silence procedure” until 10 am on Friday. Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told the press that one Council member had extended silence until then. But would it be further extended?

There were a few other minor changes from the initial Azerbaijani (or “OTTOMAN”) draft and the one agreed to: the first draft expressed condolences first to the Government of Turkey then to the families of the victims; this was reversed in the final statement. Also a reference to “international peace and security” was removed.

Some drew a link from the negotiations to an upcoming visit to Turkey by Russian president Putin on October 14. Others speculated about some other deal being reached.

[…]

http://www.innercitypress.com/syriaturk3sc100412.html

October 5th, 2012, 2:33 am

 

Citizen said:

RT Correspondent on Turkish Syrian Troubles – October 4th 2012

October 5th, 2012, 2:50 am

 

ann said:

No Place to Hide in Syria for “Free Syrian Army” NATO Death Squads

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb6_1344725487

October 5th, 2012, 2:51 am

 

ann said:

Breaking!! Leaked Video of the FSA Terrorists Behind False Flag Attack on Turkey – Oct 4, 2012

October 5th, 2012, 2:53 am

 

Mina said:

One naive question for the pious Muslims on board who lecture now and then on religion. We read in the Coran that when God is angry with a people he destroys them or their cities with natural disasters, and Saba or Tamud are mentioned as kingdoms of the past who have vanished because of God’s anger. So I assume this should lead to full fatalism and people having to accept any injustice as “God’s decree”. Isn’t it part of the reason why the Wahhabis justify on religious ground their interdiction of demonstrations? Not only people are supposed to accept their fate because “it’s God’s will” but also the ruler as “chosen by God” (in Wahhabi’s interpretation, I assume).
This question is important because I think it is part of the problem, an inner problem that makes some people’s thinking unable to move forward.

October 5th, 2012, 3:10 am

 

Mina said:

Albo,
When you read this piece in the Guardian, you see how “this generation” is led into deep confusion : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/oct/03/syria-aleppo-bomb-attacks-live#block-506c32a458f93d3343753f92

October 5th, 2012, 3:24 am

 

Albo said:

“SON OF DAMASCUS #215

You are applying high octane flames of truth to ALBO’s ass. Go man!”

I won’t be lifting my game as high as this, pal.
At least SoD is trying to argue, you on the other hand are such a petty and void poster.
Try to replace your pompous moral posturing and alleguations of knowledge by something of substance for a change. For now you only have been pissing against the wind, and cheerleading for other posters instead of mustering the beginning of an argument.

In short

SoD, you may not believe me but I have also some friends and relatives with similar stories. I stand by my position that I find a lot of posters here very dubious; they don’t condemn tactics that are blatantly disgusting, terrorism when it kills civilian. If figureheads among the opposition condemn, I’m not very impressed, I’d prefer 100x if it were our pro opposition people here doing the condemnation. You must agree that it hasn’t been the case.
One day, people who are pressing the buttons to fire the artilery, people who are manning tanks, airplanes will cease to do so, you’re all confident about that, right? The level of violence not withstanding, it’s a matter of politics. As for human bombs, that can’t be said, as they have their own different agendas. In Iraq, Yemen, Libya they’re still wrecking havock.
You’re saying your rebels, who are fighting on their side, promise to expel them and have already clashed with them at times. For now it’s not a widespread sentiment, and in any case this isn’t a very safe bet, as in the aforementioned countries they have a hard time to suppress them. It is said that most of the terror in Iraq is the work of a few thousands, if not hundreds of militants.

Second Genocide has legal definitions, and it’s not what we have here (which doesn’t mean it’s not ugly and violent). Look to the North in Turkey for answers, genocide for exemple would be if we tried to kill all our kurds, not if the same number of Arabs are killed in a civil war. I know that seems unfair and a shallow difference but that’s how it’s defined and there isn’t and won’t be any genocide in Syria.
I am also in disagreement when you compare some extremists groups that happen to be christians or existed in the past. Buddhism is generally considered peaceful, but it’s easy to present it as violent when you claim many Mongols were Buddhist and Japanese mass murderers were Zen. There’s a problem with sunni Islam, SoD, asit is aggressively expansive and segregative, and always has been. Buddhism, Christians, Alawis aren’t, not originally and by nature, although they can be violent as everyone else.
If people let imperialistic passions (those who want to reinstate the caliphate and such) in the past, then we can forget the sins of the fathers and all live happily, sons and daughters. Apparently this isn’t the case, as some still harbor this kind of nostalgia for muslim domination, speak from “both sides of the mouth” and this is all too prevalent here. Even when the country is nearly 100% sunni (in the Maghreb), islamism doesn’t work, it just doesn’t belong to this century and I know that you agree even though you’ll probably not find it judicious to agree with me on this issue in front of the rest right now.

October 5th, 2012, 4:07 am

 

Albo said:

“The sectarian Alawi Assadists wanted ETERNAL SUPERIORITY AND CONTROL for themselves and their supporters under the laws of thuggery.”

Come on, ASSAD, you know this isn’t correct, there never was by law anything that made Alawis superiors to other groups. You can’t conflate informal nepotism and legal discrimination. Nepotism, clannishness, incidentally, exist in every Arab country.

Islamists on the other hand, don’t shy away from a system where they segregate other faiths by law, and put muslims in the highest position. This is why it was compared to caste systems such as India and the slave society of the American south.

October 5th, 2012, 4:26 am

 

Warren said:

Syrian government never apologized to the Turkish government, only expressed condolences and sympathy for the “people/civilians” that died.

Watch the Syrian UN ambassador Al Jaafari’s statement on the matter:

October 5th, 2012, 7:02 am

 

Warren said:

Listen to these stoned and deranged FSA clowns; they say they’re going to take over Syria first. Then: Golan Heights, Jerusalem, Iraq, Persia, Andalus, Cordoba, etc. All of this is going to be accomplished under the jihadi banner of the Robin Hood Brigade!

These are the foot soldiers of the Sunni Putsch!

October 5th, 2012, 7:14 am

 
 

Christine said:

`This is a SAFE bet.`

I`d rather say – This is a A HATE BET….So sorry to see Syria has become just means of profit for…you name it…from armsellers, to teachers, journalists,`humanists` !!!

October 5th, 2012, 7:33 am

 

Tara said:

“On Turkey’s retaliatory bombing, I have only this to say:  either go all the way armed with a strategy and an end-game in mind, one that is commensurate with the expectations of those seeking democratic change in Syria, or don’t go at all. We don’t need more gratuitous devastation in our country as the conflict is allowed to fester, the state to collapse, and the country to devolve. We need intervention with clear strategy and vision, not some haphazard strikes meant more to demonstrate toughness for the benefit of a domestic audience.”

http://syrianrevolutiondigest.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-qardaha-rebellion.html

October 5th, 2012, 7:48 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO #256

I think you were talking to me.

The only thing you can say worth reading is to concede that Syrian-hater Bashar Assad has done something, anything wrong.

Why don’t you?

All that other stuff is denialism and distractionism.

(I can’t be bothered repeating to you my stance on terrorists and Islamicists. Read #217 again)

October 5th, 2012, 7:54 am

 

Albo said:

I’m not interested in addressing you if you don’t make a point.
That’s simple as that, and you have done a fair deal of distraction yourself, and have a nasty habit of attacking the messenger, not the message. To wit:

– It’s rich to call out people who concentrate on Turkey, KSA, Qatar when yourself are obsessing over Iran.
In reality, it’s a civil war and each side has its sponsors, so it’s useful to be informed about all. Do you deny it?

– You have sided with VAT against Ghufran, the poster who has the most intermediate position here and is systematically calling for a cessation of violence wherever it comes from. No matter how you spin it, it’s legitimate to draw the conclusions whe have drawn about you. A true democrat would have called him out spontaneously.

You tiptoed around these issues, instead throwing ad homs at me and trying to deflect the conversation. If and when they are directly answered we can move on to other subjects.

October 5th, 2012, 8:16 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

You keep going on and on about Islamists while being completely blind to the realities on the ground.

When the figure heads of the opposition condemn such heinous acts of terrorism as what occurred in Aleppo a few days ago they are setting the bar, the Assadist government on the other hand does not even recognize the atrocities it commits or even apologize for it, so there is no bar. Some FSA units have signed the universal declaration of the Geneva convention care to share with us how many Assadists recognize it or even know about it?

Yes atrocities are being committed by both side, but one side is overwhelmingly guiltier than the other and bunching them into one group or over inflating the other groups atrocities in order to excuse the ethnic cleansing that is happening is just pure unfiltered hogwash.

It is commendable that you worry about the “human bombs”, but where in the world is your worry about the barrel bombs, mortars, tanks shells, missiles, Gunships attacks, fixed wing arial assault, and countless massacres being committed by the so-called “secular” Assadists? Don’t you see that those tools are used ALL DAY EVERY DAY?

Yes genocide has a legal definition and here it is:

Article II describes two elements of the crime of genocide:

1) the mental element, meaning the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”, and

2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called “genocide.”

Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

If you have read the countless reports by the likes of Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, UNHRC, and others you would see clearly what Assad is doing is the VERY DEFINITION of genocide. The fact that a minority group is committing the crimes does not in anyway nullify the fact it is genocide.

You can compare ALL extremists ideologies with each other no matter what faith or political affiliations, all use a sick and demented interpretation of their dogma to kill. I know Christianity is NOT inherently evil (again my wife is Christian) but those (the extremists groups I mentioned earlier) sick rat bastards used Jesus and his teachings for something he would never have ever agreed to, same thing in Islam, Judaism, Hindu, Sikh…. To vilify an entire faith for the actions of a few is just stupid and ignorant.

October 5th, 2012, 8:28 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Ghufran,

I do not think the events that are occurring in Qurdaha should be easily dismissed. The town is to this day still virtually cut off, and now more families are getting involved.

I usually over divulge personal matters about myself, I can’t now. But I know from first hand accounts what had happened there, and the overall sentiments going on. The Othman, Khier Beik, Ismaeel, and Aboud families are not small families by any stretch of the word (both in terms of family numbers, and more importantly their social standing within the Alawite community).

I welcome this dissent, and I know and hope more will come out of this.

October 5th, 2012, 8:43 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

One of our commentators here wrote this, it is a very good read.

A special thanks goes out to Hammoudeh who in my opinion exemplifies what pious Muslims in Syria are really like.

Opening the Front against Jabhat al-Nusra and Al Qaeda in Syria

Unlike many of the now familiar images, this is not the aftermath of bombardments by fighter jets, helicopters or tanks. Instead, it is the aftermath of several bombs ripping through Saadallah al-Jabri square in downtown Aleppo yesterday. The targets were two hotels, the officer’s club and the municipal palace. The area was controlled by the regime and according to the perpetrators the buildings served as their headquarters. Car bombs and suicide bombers caused the massive destruction shown above which can also be seen from the BBC’s collection of pictures.

[…]

Instead of liberating the area, it has been destroyed. Alongside the military casualties were also civilians, and many residential buildings were damaged in the process. This is nothing less than a criminal and terrorist attack and it has been the most recent of a handful of such massive suicidal bombings, which were foreign to the revolution for almost a year into it. Nearly all of them, including this one, have been claimed by an ideologically Qaedist group called Jabhat al-Nusra or the Victory Front (a report on the declaration). Aside of these bombings, this group also claimed responsibility for a number of executions and kidnappings.

Jabhat al-Nusra appeared out of nowhere as it claimed responsibility for the very first bombings that took place in Damascus and Aleppo at the beginning of 2012. Due to the unknown identity of its members, its sudden appearance and its apparent strength and resources the group was viewed with suspicion not only by the FSA and the Syrian opposition, but also by the Syrian Takfiri cleric Abu Basir al-Tartousi. Other “Salafi Jihadi” clerics however have supported the movement. Jabhat al-Nusra is likely to have emerged from Iraq and has been accused of involvement with the regime. Recently documents were leaked which may prove the regime’s involvement in the Damascus bombings in May 2012, for which the responsibility was also claimed by Jabhat al-Nusra but reportedly denied again later on. Suspicions about this latest bombing in Aleppo have already been raised as well.

[…]

There have been more clashes with similar groups, but all of them put together do not match the evident force of Jabhat al-Nusra. It has been the only group that has been completely out of control from the very start and, judging by the latest events, continues to do as it pleases and wreck havoc. There seems to have been no official response yet from either the FSA or the political opposition regarding these attacks. In general and despite of some of the clashes, the response has been largely insignificant in word and deed. Some time ago Gen. Mustafa al-Sheikh confirmed the presence of Al Qaeda in Syria, emphasized that the FSA had nothing to do with them, but also admitted that there wasn’t anything they could do about it. By the end of July he warned against the growth in number and strength of such groups. “They are getting bigger and bigger. And day by day they have more powerful positions inside,” he said. “The situation is very dangerous.”

More than dangerous, it is reaching the point of becoming a factor in the destruction of the country and its future alongside of the Assad regime and its supporting forces. Moreover, their emergence has been part of regime policy in crushing the revolution from the very beginning. A major confrontation is inevitable simply because many in these groups consider the FSA to be “an apostate army” and no different from that of Assad, while they are considered unwelcome extremists themselves by Syrian society at large. Some activists are calling upon the FSA and the political opposition to respond, condemn, take a stance. They will be forced to sooner or later, and delaying this any further only allows the Assad regime to benefit from such groups in various ways, and for such groups to grow, causing more death and destruction while becoming a force to be reckoned with for perhaps years to come after the fall of the regime. The blame is often put on the inaction of the world, and rightly so, but it has to be remembered that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) said: “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart [by hating it and feeling that it is wrong] – and that is the weakest of faith.” (Narrated by Muslim)

http://freehalab.wordpress.com/2012/10/04/opening-the-front-against-jabhat-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda-in-syria/

October 5th, 2012, 9:02 am

 

Albo said:

“When the figure heads of the opposition condemn such heinous acts of terrorism as what occurred in Aleppo a few days ago they are setting the bar”

The problem is, there never was a strict hierarchy commanding and controlling the opposition, despite many attempts and pressure by the western countries to have them organize.
The other day I was watching a documentary about the Cuban revolution, the difference was glaring as the rebels had a strict discipline and a leadership they obeyed.

The consequence is, that when someone condemns terrorist acts, he represents only himself and some loose groupings within the militants. When some rebels are against the Takfiris, we know that others can be just described as such. This wouldn’t happen if there was a sound, overarching organization and discipline.

In fact, even if the rebels were much more cruel and brutal but obeyed a single authority, this would still be much better. At least with a real authority in charge, an authority that is obeyed, you can negotiate. Not with motley groups each having a different outlook, agenda and sponsor.

“Yes genocide has a legal definition and here it is:”

How that accounts for the sunni arabs who still are on the side of the regime?
The “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”” can’t be demonstrated since we can find examples of sunni Arabs fighting for the regime and some pro-regime sunni arab villages and tribes.
Though charges of ethnic cleansing and war crimes could definitely pass if there ever were a trial in the Hague tribunal.

October 5th, 2012, 9:05 am

 

Mina said:

Citizen, #259
Turkey cheated, like Saddam in Kuwait?

October 5th, 2012, 9:23 am

 

Mina said:

So 3 weeks ago, Wikileaks has published more than 30,000 emails from the Syrian ministry of foreign affairs and no one has been able to find something juicy enough or bloody enough?
Instead, the Gulfees had to come out with their own “proofs” (in English, for the Western audience to consume)!
http://angryarab.blogspot.de/2012/10/the-stupid-forgeries-of-al-arabiyya-on.html

October 5th, 2012, 9:31 am

 

Syrialover said:

SON OF DAMASCUS #267

That’s a powerful and significant piece by Hamoudeh al-Halab, bringing a shaft of light to the fog of disinformation about Salafism in the Syrian conflict.

Thank you for posting it. I hope commentators and analysts will pay attention to what it says.

October 5th, 2012, 9:56 am

 

zoo said:

#257 Warren

Thanks for pointing to the official statement of Syria concerning the mortar attacks in Turkey that killed 5 Turkish.
He specifically said these are NOT apologies for the simple reason that the responsibility of the firing has yet not been determined.

That shows once more the bad faith and public opinion manipulation of the anti-Syria media who are desperately trying to keep up the demonization of the the Syrian government while actions on the ground show with much less ambiguities who are the demons.

The Syrians remains proud and consistent in their attitude toward the combined Western and oil country assaults on its sovereignty while we are seeing the rebels and the comatose SNC becoming increasingly incoherent.

October 5th, 2012, 10:04 am

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s a moving tribute to the Aleppo souk.

The article also gives a too-painful-to read account of damage to some of Syria’s other precious cultural sites.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2012/oct/05/aleppo-souk-syria-destroyed-war?newsfeed=true

Excerpt:

It was a honeycomb of surprises and flavours, a tribute to the best aspects of human society, but now it has run smack into the opposite tendency: war.

Of course, the human suffering is far more important and pressing, but I also mourn the loss of a place that so effortlessly encapsulated everything that was light, vivacious, sociable and friendly, everything that war is not.

Architecturally the bazaar was not unique. What it had was tradition, heritage and incredible diversity.

Five hundred years after Shakespeare made Aleppo souk the epitome of a distant cornucopia, you could still buy almost anything here, eat and drink a vast range of dishes, and even bathe in the traditional Hammam Nahasin. There were eight miles of lanes linking a range of khans or caravanserai – the British Consul held court in one of them well into the 20th century.

When I first wandered in via the gate near the citadel, I discovered that there was only one thing I could not find in there: the desire to leave. It was just too diverting and fascinating.

October 5th, 2012, 10:04 am

 

Syrialover said:

Statement that says both everything and not enough:

“There is no limit to the cruelty Bashar al-Assad is willing to inflict on Syria.”

(Financial Times, editorial 20 September)

October 5th, 2012, 10:08 am

 

Dawoud said:

251.

Funny that a Nasrillat/Hizbillat/Ayatollah-Iranistan supporter/”researcher”/”analyst”/translator is complaining about terrorists and death squads 🙂

Free Syria, Free Lebanon, Liberate ALL Palestine, Bahrain is Arab Forever!

October 5th, 2012, 10:14 am

 

zoo said:

SOD

“Some activists are calling upon the FSA and the political opposition to respond, condemn, take a stance.”

They should have done that months ago, but they were very happy to get any help from outsiders, even of the devil to achieve their aim, since they were not getting enough help from inside.

Unfortunately it’s too little too late. The gangrene of the FSA is growing by the day and soon amputation will be the last resort.

Their choice is very limited now that Turkey is distancing itself, Qatar and KSA are withholding the weapons and the funds waiting for the impossible “unification”.
Either the FSA engages in an internal war against the virus that has invaded their bodies or call it off and join the the Syrian army to fight the parasites out.
Because of its weakness, disunity and the absence of the expected support from the urban Syrians, it is now trapped in its own web. They have only themselves to blame.

October 5th, 2012, 10:18 am

 

Albo said:

“Bahrain is Arab Forever”

DAWOUD, I’m interested to know what do you mean by that.

October 5th, 2012, 10:18 am

 

Dawoud said:

حزب الله يتسلّم يومياً جثتين إلى ثلاث لعناصر قتلوا في سوريا

http://watan.com/news/world-news/2012-10-04/15285

Too bad ONLY 2-3 Hizbillat shabiha are returned from Syria to Lebanon in body bags! I hope that soon the FSA and freedom-seeking Syrians begin to send Lebanon 100+ Hizbillat shabiha in body bags!

Free Syria & Palestine!

October 5th, 2012, 10:22 am

 

zoo said:

Turkey’s hypocritical role is hitting the Western media.

Be wary of playing Turkey’s great game
The state is taking a lead role in unseating Syria’s Assad, but it has a hidden agenda

By Con Coughlin
7:43PM BST 04 Oct 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/9587435/Be-wary-of-playing-Turkeys-great-game.html

Syria might be getting all the blame for firing the first shot in the sudden eruption of hostilities on the Turko-Syrian border, but Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, can hardly claim to be an innocent party when it comes to stoking the fires of a conflict that retains the potential to ignite a regional conflagration.

For more than a year now Turkey has been taking a lead role in the campaign to overthrow the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Working closely with a number of Gulf states, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, that are also committed to ridding Damascus of Assad’s Alawite clique, the Turks have been carefully co-ordinating international support for Syria’s rebel forces. There are even reports that the Turks have established a shared command centre in southern Turkey which is supervising the transfer of arms, supplies and volunteers across the Syrian border to the rebels. In short, the Turks are doing everything in their power to achieve regime change in Damascus, a position that is not lost on Mr Assad.

October 5th, 2012, 10:27 am

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO,

Another question for you – to distract you from your relentless distracting.

What is Assad’s post-conflict plan for Syria?

October 5th, 2012, 10:27 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Darayya wont bow down to anyone!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k71b0gMhuos&feature=player_embedded

داريا شوكه بحلق النظام الله يحميهم

October 5th, 2012, 10:36 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

you are absolutely correct, to this day there is still no clear cut hierarchy to the FSA. While the same can’t be said about the regime. Has the regime ever attempted to negotiate? No, the proof is their repeated FAILURE to adhere to a SINGLE point of the 6 point plan that was drawn up by Kofi Annan.

It is the goons that control the regime who are calling for the massacre of civilians, the annihilation of Syrian towns and cities, and it is the same goons that are responsible for the death of over 30 thousand Syrians.

That is why they MUST go.

Supporting the regime is one thing, but actually slitting the throats of children for protecting “minorities” is where genocide comes in! If you can’t tell the difference between the two we might as well end this exchange here.

October 5th, 2012, 10:46 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Zoo,

What Syrian Army are you talking about? It ceased to exist when it was used as a suppression tool by the Assadi junta.

No army can dare call it self a national army when it is involved in massacring the very same citizens it was made to protect.

And the vermin that run the Assadi army are a million times more dangerous than the Al-Qaeda vermin crossing the border.

October 5th, 2012, 10:49 am

 

zoo said:

Is the currency crisis in Iran inflated by the media?

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/05/news/economy/iran-currency/

Despite protests in Tehran Wednesday over the rial’s fall, organized opposition to the government is weak, while the government’s security apparatus is strong.

Plus, the country maintains populist programs designed to keep dissent at bay, including subsidized medicine, education and fuel.

“There has been no significant unrest during the rial’s steep slide,” Cliff Kupchan, a Middle East analyst at the Eurasia Group, wrote in a recent research note. “While this does not at all preclude future unrest, it suggests public tolerance for depreciation.”

October 5th, 2012, 10:51 am

 

zoo said:

#282 SOD

Do you mean that the air bombers attacking the rebel strongholds and trying to protect the civilians population are ghosts?

The media and the analysts are unanimous in repeating that the Syrian army is strong and united, the defections are rare, while the FSA is disunited and polluted by extremists.

Maybe you know better or rather you are taking your desires for realities.

October 5th, 2012, 10:56 am

 

zoo said:

Jaafari to Turkey: Did you show any sympathy for the innocents killed in Aleppo suicide attack?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-has-not-apologized-to-turkey-report.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31736&NewsCatID=352

“We have waited one year and eight months for the Turkish government to present an apology for its acts in Syria. It is a tragic development that a Turkish woman was killed with her three children, and we sympathize with that because she was an innocent Turkish citizen,” Jaafari said.

He also stressed that those who fired the shells remain unknown, but that “in the region there are many groups that are interested in creating conflict between Syria and Turkey.”

“We have not heard from the Turkish side any sympathy or solidarity with the innocent Syrian citizens who were killed in the terror explosions of Aleppo. Therefore, we must be fair in our approach,” Jaafari also said.

October 5th, 2012, 11:07 am

 

Uzair8 said:

If reports of the infighting in Qardah are true, then this is potentially a very dangerous situation which Assad must contain. There is possibility of the intra-family tensions and violence spilling over into the military in which presumably these families are well represented particularly in the senior ranks.

Suspicion and divisions amongst the most loyal forces could be devastating for the regime. Could we see a scenario in which officers from certain families are put under house arrest? In anticipation of such moves by Assad will they resist, fight back or even launch multiple coup attempts?

All eyes will be on the coastal region and the anticipation is palpable.

October 5th, 2012, 11:22 am

 

Albo said:

“slitting the throats of children for protecting “minorities””

This is of course, not my position.
What I want to point out, is that when you know your rulers to be authoritarian, and that they have used violence before, the decision to form a guerilla and wage war is something that should be weighted cautiously. If success was never a given, that violence would escalate was a certainty.

If on top of that, some ideological currents among the rebelling party are prone to violence, and are shown not to respect freedoms any better, then something really, really wrong is happening. No wonder why this is as a civil war now, as everyone recognized, and that violence has soared, -and I’m not justifying anything here.

October 5th, 2012, 11:22 am

 

Halabi said:

Kafranbel solidarity with Qurdaha. Still no condemnation on the killing of Alawis there by the so-called protectors of minorities.

http://youtu.be/wxXlM7Ap1zw

As for the menhebak who post under multiple names (itself a sign of the dwindling ranks of Assad supporters), it was Lavrov who said that Syria apologized for the attack on Turkish civilians and promised it won’t happen again. Of course that doesn’t fit the narrative so please continue to make things up. The lying pales in comparison to enthusiastically supporting genocide.

October 5th, 2012, 11:29 am

 

Uzair8 said:

I promised to visit the library and get the quote from John Follain’s book, The Last Godfathers. I’ll share it in the next comment.

I think I should give a brief plug for the book first.

It’s a true and well researched account of the rise and fall of the Mafia’s most powerful Family from early 1900’s till the present day. I hadn’t heard of the Corleonese Family and was only familiar with the famous fictional Corleone family from the Godfather movie.

Reading the book I was disgusted and repelled by the content and I questioned my judgement for reading it. At the same time it was a fascinating and gripping read. You’ll be rooting for the brave investigators and police forces in this epic battle of good versus evil.

To see how depraved, cold-hearted and inhuman these criminals are and how far they are prepared to go to maintain their power and privilege was a sickening eye opener. There are so many familiar patterns and parralels in the Syrian regime, often described as a mafia-like set up.

It’s a good read and will give you an insight into the minds and ways of the mafia and may enhance your understanding of the criminals running syria.

October 5th, 2012, 11:42 am

 

Ghufran said:

Two months in Syria

October 5th, 2012, 11:54 am

 

Uzair8 said:

The Last Godfathers, John Follain.
Published in 2008 by Hodder & Stoughton General Division.

‘Disturbingly gripping’ Tobias Jones, Mail on Sunday.

Below is the promised quote. In 1948, mafia infighting led to the ‘mysterious’ death of a well known mafioso named Rizzoto, suspected at the hands of Dr Navarra’s men. A year on his elderly father, an ex-mafioso, marks the anniversery of his son’s death.

Quote from p34-35:

Although the killers were unpunished his family never doubted who was to blame. At a ceremony marking the first anniversary of his son’s death, Rizzoto’s father appeared on the balcony of his home, a crowd looking up at him from below, to bravely denounce ‘that fine gentleman’ Dr Navvara for commisioning the murder. His index finger raised in anger and his voice rising to a shout, the ex-mafioso said he had no doubt that Leggio had ‘silenced my son with lead’. ‘Give me back my son’s body!’ he cried out. He then named several mafioso and shouted how much he despised them, adding that he knew them well and knew what ferocity they were capable of. ‘But soon you will fight each other like dogs and tear yourselves apart!’ he predicted.

Events were soon to prove him right.

October 5th, 2012, 12:07 pm

 

Antoine said:

Bunch of meteh snorting Jabali shabbiha getting some corrective treatment from FSA :

October 5th, 2012, 12:07 pm

 

Antoine said:

ALBO get the f*ck out of this blog, you will be eventually e*t*rminated, start counting your time.

October 5th, 2012, 12:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Morsi gave another slap to Iran by honoring Sadat whose murderer, a Moslem Brotherhood member, is considered in Iran as a hero
In addition, Sadat having hosted the Shah is doubly hated in Iran.

If Iran finally recognizes that its numerous attempts for political closeness with Egypt are failing , what would it to?
The option is obvious: it will put its efforts to weaken Morsi’s shaky government until it falls. Iran cannot rely on a Shia base in Egypt, therefore it will need to manipulate other operators.

– It will find ways to bring back to the front the Israel-Egypt treaty that is not popular in Egypt. This can be done by creating incidents involving Israelis in Egypt. It may also fund the Islamists in the Sinai. This will create internal tensions and confusion about the ambiguous relation with the USA. That will weaken economically Egypt be discouraging US investments badly needed to sustain the credibility of Morsi’s government

– It will join hands with Saudi Arabia and the UAE to support the seculars and liberals Egyptians to undermine Morsi’s government in the next election in 2013. Saudi Arabia is hosting Mobarak and much prefer a secular Egypt than a Moslem Brotherhood lead Egypt.
– By destabilizing Egypt vis a vis the USA, Iran be hitting back at the USA who is loosing its grip on the Arab countries, thus exposing Israel to more dangers.
– Iran may get more involved in Syria so as to prevent the eclosion of another Moslem Brotherhood government or an Al Qaeeda haven.
By doing so, it will help Iraq settle scores with Turkey who has been involved in fueling divisions in Iraq and fueling chaos in Syria with a suspicious agenda.

In the next few weeks, maybe after a last attempt from Iran to get Egypt’s alliance, we will see how Iran will implement its retaliatory plans.

Egypt’s Morsi honours Sadat

2012-10-04 17:49
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Egypts-Morsi-honours-Sadat-20121004
Cairo – Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi laid a wreath at his late predecessor Anwar Sadat’s tomb on the anniversary of the 1973 war against Israel on Thursday, in a rare homage from an Islamist leader.

October 5th, 2012, 12:17 pm

 

Antoine said:

I love this, FSA Turkmen brigade fighters swaggering about in the highest peaks of the Lattakia (Alawite) Mountains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxPu_GS2zlI&feature=relmfu

Please follow the YouTube channel for all videos of FSA activity in Lattakia Mountains.

The Tomb of Dawoud near Qurdahah by the way is already under FSA control.

We will conquer the whole Coastal Mountain completely, from Burj Kasab to Arida, PROMISE.

October 5th, 2012, 12:21 pm

 

Albo said:

“Antoine”, shut it and mourn your jihadi friends.

October 5th, 2012, 12:29 pm

 

zoo said:

Thousands protest in Turkey over Syria mandate ( with video)

10:56PM BST 04 Oct 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/9588458/Thousands-protest-in-Turkey-over-Syria-mandate.html

Protesters take to the streets in Ankara and Istanbul after Turkey’s parliament approved military operations against targets in Syria following the deaths of five Turkish citizens from Syrian shelling.

Around 5,000 people took to the streets of Istanbul on Thursday evening in an anti-war protest which turned into a demonstration against Turkey’s ruling AK Party. Protesters chanted slogans against the war as they carried anti-government banners.

“We are going through an ugly provocation of war. The Turkish and Syrian people are not enemies, but the ruling AK Party government is trying to drag our country into a war with Syria in compliance with US interests,” said protester Nevzat Evrim Onal.

The Turkish slogan “savasa hayir” (“no to war”) was the top trending item on Turkey’s Twitter on Thursday morning.

Meanwhile, in Ankara, what started as a peaceful demonstration soon turned violent as protesters clashed with police after they tried to block them from moving around the city.

October 5th, 2012, 12:29 pm

 

zoo said:

Albo

The hysterics calling for murders on SC are not curable, it is congenital. There are special places who host such people.

October 5th, 2012, 12:33 pm

 

Albo said:

Yes, vastly expanding the lunatic asylums is needed in many arab and islamic countries.

October 5th, 2012, 12:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Another more spectacular video. It is reported that 64% of the Turks reject the new parliament war law.

Istanbul Anti-War Against Syria Protest

October 5th, 2012, 12:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Videos from the surveillance camera of Aleppo double terrorists acts and a look at the Baba Amr reconciliation walk

اخبار الفضائية السورية كاملة 4 10 2012

October 5th, 2012, 12:54 pm

 

Anwar said:

I am truly ashamed of these nouveau-riche christians supporting their pimp Assad. I am counting the day now until assad and all of his supporters finally face the consequences of their filth

October 5th, 2012, 1:06 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria becomes a wedge between U.S. and Turkey

By Soner Cagaptay, Published: October 4
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/syria-is-a-wedge-between-us-and-turkey/2012/10/04/505f5786-0e30-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_story_1.html

The close relationship that President Obama has built with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has provided the United States with a key Muslim ally in the Middle East. Washington and Ankara have worked closely to stabilize Iraq. Yet a storm awaits them in Syria.

As turmoil in Syria has grown over the past 18 months, Ankara has presumed that the United States and Turkey were on the same page regarding regime change. Now, though, differences are emerging.

The Obama administration is hesitant toward Syria for several reasons, including reticence to act before the November elections and war-weariness among Americans. Erdogan appears to view such concerns as cover for general indifference to Turkey’s Syria problem.

The tumult of the Arab Spring has led Ankara to revise its erstwhile autarchic foreign policy and Turkey now seeks security with NATO — a shift symbolized by Ankara’s agreement in September 2011 to host a major missile-defense project that NATO can use as a bulwark against Iran, as well as Russia and China.

Still, given Obama and Erdogan’s divergent policies on Syria, a storm between them appears almost unavoidable.

October 5th, 2012, 1:07 pm

 

Albo said:

Zoo, “Erdogan knows that Tehran’s Shiite regime militarily supports the Assad regime in Syria and the government of Iraqi Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whom Ankara detests.”

Who is Erdogan to decide who should be in power in Iraq? Better give rights to his Kurds and stop slurring his Alevis, his weird sunni ” chauvinism” is embarrassing, all the while some in the west stil present this country as a liberal democracy.
At least, the demonstrations you linked to give hope that people may demand a better leadership in the future.

302. ANWAR

And you, who are you to call any ethnic group in Syria names?

October 5th, 2012, 1:25 pm

 

zoo said:

Can economically under developed countries give natural birth to democracy, or does it need a strong internal or external forceps?

In Turkey the doctor was the secular and nationalist Mustafa Kamal and the forceps the army. Mustafa Kemal was a example to many secular authoritarian leaders in the Arab world, but few achieved what Kemal achieved.
Later economical growth allowed Turkey to enhance and stabilize its secular democracy. Yet the recent return of Islamism ideology by the AKP boosted by the economical successes may unbalance the country and awaken ethnical and religious differences.

In some countries that were colonized ( Algeria, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan) some skeleton of western based democratic institutions were imposed by the colonial powers and survived the independence.

Are they enough to allow further development when Islamic ideologies are now entering in the ring.

October 5th, 2012, 1:27 pm

 

Antoine said:

ALBO you son of a b*tch, you offsrping of one thousand dogs and one thousand wh”res, we have dug many graves for you and your kind. There are graves dug for you, maybe you should make it easier by lying down in that grave so that we won;t have to force you.

Make no mistake, entire concepts and people will be given a decent burial in the Middle East in coming times. There is job unfifnished for a long time.

October 5th, 2012, 1:42 pm

 

zoo said:

Albo

Turkey’s slippage to an authoritarian and religious sunni way of governing is making many Turks very uncomfortable as reflected in Turkish media. Western countries, also out of jealousy of Turkey’s economy are also starting to express warnings of that slippage.

Yet, the economical ‘success’ of the AKP under Erdogan makes the average Turk hesitant to ask for a change. The country has benefited from its long EU and US connections as it has assimilated and integrated successfully western know-how in its industrial development. It therefore has an upper hand on the rest of the under developed Arab countries and need to expand its exports to keep its economy on the move.

Any economical slowdown of Turkey could be fatal to the AKP as unrest could reveal the ethnical and sectarian differences that have been buried under a strong nationalistic brainwashing dating from Ataturk.
This is why, sometimes dismissing the political provocations resulting from their business relation, Turkey is franticly looking for new business relations in Iraq, Egypt and Africa so as to keep its economy strong.
Time will tell if it will be able to continue on the same scale and for how long.

October 5th, 2012, 1:47 pm

 

Albo said:

Congrats Antoine you just descrbed your family and your future, POS.

October 5th, 2012, 1:47 pm

 

zoo said:

Albo

What have you done to unleash the dogs?

October 5th, 2012, 1:48 pm

 

Albo said:

Zoo, I guess I simply dared to answer some islamist loons in kind. They’re not used to such insolence while they keep spouting their bs in impunity.

October 5th, 2012, 1:56 pm

 

Mina said:

Zoo, if Ataturk was living today, he would have been put in jail by Erdogan with the 330 military officers two weeks ago for “plot against the state” (which Mr Erdo runs for only 12 years!)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/world/europe/turkish-court-convicts-330-military-officers-in-coup-plot-trial.html

October 5th, 2012, 2:01 pm

 

anwar said:

302. ANWAR

And you, who are you to call any ethnic group in Syria names?

A christian who lost his house (almsot family to) in the damascus bombing earlier this year. And who are you ??
Any christian supporting Assad might as well be praying for Satan. Follow pere paolo or go to hell

October 5th, 2012, 2:02 pm

 

ghufran said:

دان مجلس الأمن التفجيرات التي وقعت يوم الأربعاء الماضي في مدينة حلب السورية
on another front:
جرت في اللاذقية اشتباكات جديدة في “سلمى ودورين” بين الجيش السوري وميليشيا الجيش “الحر”
I had the pleasure of seeing those areas when I was a child, it is depressing to think that those beautiful villages are now battle fields.

October 5th, 2012, 2:08 pm

 

Mina said:

Everything you ever wanted to know about djihadists in Syria:
http://www.ui.se/upl/files/77409.pdf

October 5th, 2012, 2:13 pm

 

Halabi said:

I know this saddens menhebaks and sectarian genocide enthusiasts, but this helicopter won’t be able to complete its bombing run on civilians.

http://youtu.be/1cm7XXRISg8

The garbage in 290 was posted before and refuted. The video includes shocking translation mistakes to those who think the truth matters. Of course Morsi condemned Bahrain in Iran…

October 5th, 2012, 2:14 pm

 

Albo said:

“A christian who lost his house (almsot family to) in the damascus bombing earlier this year. ”

They never needed an Assad when they slaughtered or slaughter your kind in Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon or Egypt and same for multiple other groups.
If you have any idea if rebels will ensure your safety, please tell us why and how, and nice rosy statements won’t do.

For you and Halabi, I’ll say its great to have Antoine around to show the kind of dirt that exists among the rebels and prove me right. I’d be interested though, to see where did I support Assad on this blog, as your repeated insinuations may suggest to some.

October 5th, 2012, 2:28 pm

 

Visitor said:

All praise be to Allah, the Most Powerful, Most High.

A helicopter and a Mig were downed this Friday by the victorious Free Syrian Army of the Revolution.

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/b2b226df-280c-42d2-988e-e1190ed75953?GoogleStatID=1

And all disgrace, abasement and opprobrium shall befall the worshipers of Assad, the Satan agent, some of whom are spreading their evil vile on this board.

—————-

Anwar,

Good Christians like you need not worry when the Satan agents, Assad and his worshipers get the appropriate punishment from the victorious Syrian revolution.

Good Christians like you may even get the chance to determine and enforce the punishment.

October 5th, 2012, 2:45 pm

 

Halabi said:

Syrian TV report on Aleppo. The Syrian army killed all the terrorist everywhere…

http://youtu.be/KDfTlN6NOQk

In a few hours this report will make it to all the mukhabarati sites and then the sectarian opponents of the revolution will post it in Arabic without a link as “insider” news on the battle of Aleppo, which was supposed to have ended in July.

October 5th, 2012, 3:05 pm

 

Citizen said:

NATO In Emergency Session Over Syria
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/10/05/nato-emergency-session-syria-193431/
So Syria has full right to ask it alliance to Emergency !
is it the forest ?

October 5th, 2012, 3:26 pm

 

Warren said:

SAUDI FUNDED ISLAMIC EXTERMISM IN CANADA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyrlNUI8UEg

Ezra Levant: Saudi Arabian Fascists Threaten Free Speech In Canada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvHBmpoVaI

Ezra Levant: The Saudi Free Speech Shakedown – Where’s The MSM Free Speech Heroes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdVSsyU10kg&feature=relmfu

Ezra Levant: CTV Dhimmis Beg For Saudi Permission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83zUeV1K8ZI&feature=relmfu

Saudi theocrats doing what they do best: promoting Sunni barbarism and repressing free speech. This time in a liberal democracy: Canada!

Ezra Levant Saudi Shakedown Ezra Declares Tarek Fatah ” A Happy Muslim” Cuz He Luvs Freedom!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z73RaTz2pYA&feature=relmfu

Thankfully there are some good Sunnis in Canada who speak out, he is of Indian origin anyway not Arab. SL, SOD & Salafi VAT take note!

October 5th, 2012, 3:38 pm

 

Ghufran said:

كادت رشيدة داتي وزيرة العدل الفرنسية السابقة ذات الاصول المغربية ان تعتقل وتقف امام العدالة المغربية بتهمة «ممارسة الفساد»، على خلفية اعلانها انها حامل بطريقة غير شرعية.
وقالت صحيفة «أخبار اليوم» المغربية ان ملف رشيدة داتي ذات الحساسية الخاصة بالمغرب أوشك أن يخلق أزمة بين المغرب وفرنسا، وتسبب في حرج كبير للسلطات المغربية.
وأوضحت الصحيفة ان عادل فتحي نائب وكيل الملك (النائب العام) بمدينة تازة اصدر تعليماته باعتقال رشيدة داتي وزيرة العدل الفرنسية في الحكومة الاولى للرئيس نيكولا ساركوزي، بمجرد دخولها للتراب المغربي، بسبب إشهارها لحملها بطريقة غير شرعية، مما يجعلها تقع تحت طائلة ممارسة الفساد، التي يعاقب عليها القانون المغربي.
The Islamist fascination with female body organs has to be embarrassing to some of their followers who are still trying to use a less valuable organ: the brain.

October 5th, 2012, 3:40 pm

 

alepoinmyheart said:

Despite horrific losses for the civilian population, the regime keep losing his best trained men who are btw all from tartous, qirdaha and villages in hama and homs.
Day after day, the security apparatus which was build is slowly disintegrating, and in 6 month the regime will not be able to mount effective offensive.
That explain why the shia party are sending their best fighter, the alawi minority regime is in difficult position military speaking

October 5th, 2012, 3:51 pm

 

Warren said:

Tarek Fatah & Ezra Levant Discuss Huma Abedin’s Seedy Connection to the Muslim Brotherhood

October 5th, 2012, 3:53 pm

 

Ghufran said:

استلم العسكريون الأتراك أمرا بإستهداف الطائرات والمروحيات السورية لدى تحليقها بالقرب من الحدود التركية لمسافة تقل عن 10كم، حسبما ذكرت قناة “إن تي في” نقلا عن مصادرها الخاصة يوم الجمعة 5 اكتوبر/تشرين الأول.
وعلى الرغم من ابلاغ الجانب السوري بهذا الأمر، إلا أن طائرات القوات الجوية السورية حلقت اليوم الجمعة قريبا من الحدود التركية على مسافة تقدر بـ 5 كم، لكنها سارعت بالإنسحاب، وفق ما ذكرته القناة. من جهة أخرى أكدت القناة أن الوضع على الحدود اليوم الجمعة كان يتسم بالهدوء عموما. 
We still do not know who fired those mortars on Turkey,but the incident will certainly be used to help the rebels in the north. This alleged 10 km no fly zone if allowed to continue will be followed by more intrusive measures to reduce the pressure on rebels in Aleppo.
You may hear about test flights by Syrian jets soon to see how serious Turkey was in enforcing an illegal no fly zone, the first such flight already took place today.

October 5th, 2012, 3:58 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO # 288 said:

“What I want to point out, is that when you know your rulers to be authoritarian, and that they have used violence before, the decision to form a guerilla and wage war is something that should be weighted cautiously. If success was never a given, that violence would escalate was a certainty.”

I’m actually laughing. That has got to be one of the best.

That poster is sunk so far back into his deep, soft cushy armschair, he was asleep and snoring through the whole unfolding of events last year.

Too late for him to catch up now.

October 5th, 2012, 4:01 pm

 

Ghufran said:

A copy of this filthy post was sent to Joshua and others who have the responsibility to ban the poster and his likes from contaminating this site.

306. ANTOINE said:
ALBO you son of a b*tch, you offsrping of one thousand dogs and one thousand wh”res, we have dug many graves for you and your kind. There are graves dug for you, maybe you should make it easier by lying down in that grave so that we won;t have to force you.
Make no mistake, entire concepts and people will be given a decent burial in the Middle East in coming times. There is job unfifnished for a long time.

October 5th, 2012, 1:42 pm

October 5th, 2012, 4:02 pm

 

Observer said:

This is from the Guardian, and if confirmed means another abandonment of Syrian territory to preserve the regime: a 10 km buffer zone has been agreed upon in quiet discussion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/05/syria-agrees-buffer-zone-turkish-border-reports

So, maybe J’amuse Jaffari did not apologize but his Brave Syrian Army retreated 10 km now.

In the meantime, ZOO and ANN please tell us what is happening in Mali!!!!

October 5th, 2012, 4:04 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

With the current general state of play in syria and the alleged escalating trouble in Qardaha, keep an eye out for signs of Russian evacuations.

‘Chaos swept through Assad’s hometown of Qardaha of Latakia province as heavy fighting between pro and anti-Assad Alawite militias renewed following the abduction of three women of anti-Assad clan of al-Khayer by militias from the Assad tribe. At least eight militiamen reported dead and dozens more were injured.’

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/syrian-revolution-daily-round-up-thur-04-oct-12/

October 5th, 2012, 4:07 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Nuff Silence ‏@NuffSilence

This is the clearest video of the helicopter that was shot down today, hit in the tail….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PzOqnfetecU

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/nuff-silence-%e2%80%8fnuffsilence-this-is-the-clearest-video/

October 5th, 2012, 4:13 pm

 

Warren said:

Jihadis in Syria: The Cracks Start to Show

There also appears to be a cultural clash between non-Arab Muslims from Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Balkans and Chechnya on the one hand, and Arabs from Syria, Libya, Tunisia and Jordan on the other, over the exploitation of sex slaves.

Some Islamists consider these women to be spoils of war, especially the wives and daughters of regime supporters, but local fighters are more apprehensive about the issue. Dozens of women have reportedly been sexually assaulted.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/12796/

______________________________________________________________

Who would have guessed? The Foreign Salafi Army is a gang of murderers, looters and rapists!

The Sunni “tradition” of raping your opponents’ women lives on! Yet these perfidious Sunnis cry crocodile tears and hurl accusations at the Syrian Army.

October 5th, 2012, 4:25 pm

 

Visitor said:

# 320, 329

My offer to you to kiss my a** still stands.

October 5th, 2012, 4:37 pm

 

Albo said:

It’ still true SL. I know people of Chinese descent who hate the regime of the People’s republic of China, yet I was there and never saw as large concentrations of police men and soldiers in my life. And a little knowledge of their recent history has shown me that some of the worst repressions in human history were inflicted on them in the post WW2 period, dwarfing anything that happened in our region, even when you adjust for the population. Consequently, I would *never* advise them to start an armed rebellion of any kind. And in doing that, I’m not supporting their regime, right?

This a good illustration, and you should not come and tell me I’m doing an irrelevant distraction; almost all the people I talked too never suggested they favored any radical, violent change. They gave two examples of their neighbors, Taiwan and South Korea, countries that were dictatures, developed a bit, and then made a peaceful transition to democracy. They expect to do the same.

This is why their country will succeed and is become developped, the average Chinese is now almost 3x richer than your Syrian before the conflict, while Syria is turning into a wreck. The tactic of adding fuel to the fire, and fan the flames is one that was used countless times, I can think of Algeria, Bosnia. The Algerian FLN deliberately massacred french civilians, because they rightly expected the French to overreact and massacre algerians. They did that when the population was demotivated and less ready to follow their struggle for independence, ie they took them in hostage.
They won in the end, but the casualties were gigantic.

In Syria, we have Syrians against Syrians and not Frenchmen, and we should never want to have as karge casualties between us, even if you think the regime is the worst thing ever. Younger generations will question your choices, yes yours too just as the Lebanese have done.

So far you have avoided answering the questions I asked you, and generally when you answer it’s either to call me a regime apologist, say I’m morally abject etc…
I don’t care if you think all that, but try to prove me wrong with ARGUMENTS, you’ll see I can acknowledge a fair point and logical refutations. For personal attacks, leave it to Antoine.

October 5th, 2012, 4:44 pm

 
 
 

Ghufran said:

Syria has agreed to keep its forces six miles (10km) back from the Turkish border in the wake of this week’s deadly shelling incident, Turkish media has reported.
Such a move would amount to a buffer zone – fulfilling a long-standing request by Syrian opposition groups that would allow rebels to operate freely and civilians to seek refuge.
Syria has not confirmed the claim and Ankara has made no official announcement. However, several Turkish media outlets, citing well-placed sources, claimed a deal had been struck.
( without making this proposed zone free from armed rebels it will stay as a paper zone, PKK in particular is not likely to accept the zone, I doubt the story is accurate but I think there are contacts between the two sides to strike a deal of some type,neither side is interested in a war,I still think the rebels,not the Syrian army, fired on Turkey)

October 5th, 2012, 5:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Ghufran

De facto buffer zone. Marvelous!

The battle for Lattakia and the Alaween mountains should be next.

October 5th, 2012, 5:27 pm

 

zoo said:

The skirmishes by the Turks on the northern border, obviously meant to relieve pressure on the rebels in Aleppo will not help. Strong and prepared attacks are being carried out by the Syrian army on the rebels still entrenched in Aleppo and Homs.

Syrian regime opens new urban front, shells Homs
By KARIN LAUB | Associated Press – 1 hr 16 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-regime-opens-urban-front-shells-homs-200621763.html

BEIRUT (AP) — The Syrian military opened a second urban front Friday, attacking the rebel stronghold of Homs with the most intense artillery barrage in months and putting opposition fighters there and in Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, increasingly on the defensive.
….
Undeterred by its troubles with Turkey, the Syrian regime on Friday launched a new offensive against Homs, unleashing heavy shelling and air attacks. The attack is the worst Homs has seen in five months, said the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which relies on a network of activists on the ground.

“Around dawn, the regime went crazy and started shelling hysterically,” Homs-based activist Abu Rami told The Associated Press via Skype from rebel-held Old Homs. “An average of five rockets a minute are falling,” he said, asking to be identified by his nickname for fear of reprisal. Most residents who still live in rebel-held areas around the city were hiding in shelters, he said.

Regime forces fired rockets and mortar shells at the rebel-held neighborhoods of Old Homs, Khaldiya, Qusour and Jouret el-Shayah, the activist said, adding that regime forces were also targeting villages around Homs and the rebel-held town of Rastan to the north.

October 5th, 2012, 5:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

دمشق – دعت مجموعة من الناشطين العلويين أبناء طائفتهم التي ينتمي اليها الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد، للانضمام الى الاحتجاجات المطالبة باسقاط نظامه.
وجاء في بيان باسم المجموعة التي تطلق على نفسها اسم علويون احرار “ايها العلويون في كل مكان من سوريا، لقد بلغ السيل الزبى فانهضوا نهضة رجل واحد ضد عائلة فاسدة لا اصل لها الا الخيانة والعمالة، ولا هدف لها سوى المال
وقال “ابو جبل”، وهو ناشط علوي وعضو في هذه المجموعة، “ان النظام السوري استخدم العامل الطائفي كأداة لسحق الثورة “.
واضاف “الطائفية صناعة امنية بامتياز، النظام اشتغل سنة ونصف على هذا الامر”.
وردا على سؤال عن الخوف من لجوء ضحايا النظام الى الانتقام من العلويين في مراحل لاحقة، اعتبر ابو جبل ان “الناس غاضبون طبعا، ونعتبر هذا الامر طبيعيا، لكن كل هذه الطائفية ستنتهي مع سقوط النظام”.

October 5th, 2012, 5:32 pm

 

zoo said:

#334 Ghufran

This is probably an indirect way for Erdogan to prevent the rebels from going to go back and forth through these borders.
Turkey has already kicked out the FSA commands but then complained they were still using their bases in Turkey.
This is a not a no-fly zone but a no man’s land. Anyone found there will be shot by either side, indiscriminently.

Erdogan is discreetly using any incident to distanciate himself from the rebels increasingly perceived by the West as heavily polluted by sunni extremists and not worth helping anymore.

October 5th, 2012, 5:38 pm

 

Warren said:

Al Arabiya is a Saudi government funded propaganda station. It was founded and remains funded by the Saud clan. Al Arabiya has consistently made sensational accusations against Syria, which no Western broadcaster or publisher has been able to substantiate.

Only this week , Al Arabiya “discovered secret documents” (how convenient) of Syria executing 2 Turkish pilots. The Turkish government treated Al Arabiya’s claims with contempt and denied them!

Turkey denies claims pilots killed by Syria

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-denies-claims-pilots-killed-by-syria.aspx?pageID=238&nid=31358&NewsCatID=338

Al Arabiya like Al Jazeera is a foreign policy tool and propaganda outlet to advance the interests of the government that is financing it. Al Arabiya has no credibility!

Al Jazeera & Al Arabiya LIES About People Killed in Syria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4e28p0RJQ

Juergen , you be should more concerned about Salafis in your country rather than supporting Salafis in Syria!

Pro Deutschland Protests Against Muslim Salafists in Berlin Sunni Islam, Sharia Law Incite

October 5th, 2012, 5:52 pm

 

Ghufran said:

لفت الامين العام الاسبق لـ”حزب الله” الشيخ صبحي الطفيلي إلى ان “بعض العلويين يظنون ان بامكانهم تشكيل دولة في سوريا”، مشددا على ان “لا دولة علوية وهذا حلم لن يتحقق”.
وأكد الطفيلي في حديث تلفزيوني ان “تركيا والسوريين والعرب سيقفون ضد تقسيم سوريا”، معتبرا ان “الغرب لن يجازف بخسارة العرب من خلال موافقته على تقسيم سوريا”.
ورأى الطفيلي ان “يجب علينا أن نعمل على إيقاف الحرب بسوريا وأن يصل الشعب السوري إلى ما يريد”.

October 5th, 2012, 5:54 pm

 

Tara said:

The Qardaha  Rebellion
….

But what is showing even more is the proximity of rebel forces to Qardaha itself, among other Alawite villages and towns. Rebels in the al-Akrad and Turkmen mountains to the north of Lattakia, wedged between the city of Lattakia and the Turkish borders, have been gaining the upper hand against pro-Assad militias, for all the fires and the shelling taking part. Recently they have taken whole Alawite villages and shrines, long after their inhabitants were evacuated and are now within shouting distance from Assad’s hometown. The man, who presented himself to his community as their protector, has been focusing his attention everywhere else but the heartland of his community. As a result people now feel threatened.

http://syrianrevolutiondigest.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-qardaha-rebellion.html

October 5th, 2012, 6:02 pm

 

Tara said:

Syria agrees to buffer zone along Turkish border, say reports
The Guardian, Friday 5 October 2012 13.34 EDT

Syria has agreed to keep its forces six miles (10km) back from the Turkish border in the wake of this week’s deadly shelling incident, Turkish media has reported.

Such a move would amount to a buffer zone – fulfilling a longstanding request by Syrian opposition groups that would allow rebels to operate freely and civilians to seek refuge.

Syria has not confirmed the claim and Ankara has made no official announcement. However, several Turkish media outlets, citing well-placed sources, claimed a deal had been struck.

Opposition groups have implored Turkey and the international community to establish an area in which they can move without fear of jets and helicopters, claiming it would be a significant step in their 19-month battle to oust the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

However, the demands have been rejected by Ankara, as well as the US and Nato, who have all repeatedly baulked at suggestions that they directly intervene in the conflict. A buffer zone would not be effective unless it was enforced militarily, something that Turkey has so far been unwilling to do. However, the Syrian shelling of the Turkish border town of Akcacle has sparked Ankara to recalibrate its military options to deal with the gathering crisis across its southern border.

Syria said it was waiting for the results of an investigation before publicly acknowledging blame for the shelling, which killed five Turkish civilians and wounded nine more. But it has privately conceded it was at fault and did not respond to a barrage of retaliatory Turkish shellfire, which is thought to have killed several Syrian soldiers.
….

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/05/syria-agrees-buffer-zone-turkish-border-reports

October 5th, 2012, 6:15 pm

 

Tara said:

Erdogan’s new warning to Syria
More muscular rhetoric from Erdogan.

Reuters reports:

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that testing Turkey’s capacity for deterrence would be “a fatal mistake”.

Striking a belligerent tone in a speech to a crowd in Istanbul, Erdogan said: “We are not interested in war, but we’re not far from it either. This nation has come to where it is today having gone through intercontinental wars.”

The Guardian

October 5th, 2012, 6:27 pm

 

annie said:

always a pleasure to read Maysaloon, independent and straightforward

Maysaloon – ميسلون

A Letter to the Closet Shabiha (Assad Supporters)

Posted: 05 Oct 2012 03:35 AM PDT
For the past few months I’ve been puzzling over a unique phenomenon, what I call the closet Shabiha (a term for the para-military or criminal gangs which support Assad). On Twitter or Facebook, I am linked to strange people who are the first to gravitate around journalists and people of interest regarding the Syrian crisis, and whom, through observing their activity, I’ve noticed share and tweet articles in a very selective and unique way. They hide under the banner of impartiality, but their most scathing criticisms are never towards the regime. They are silent when there is a regime massacre or atrocity, or they refer to it as if an act of God to be patient with. Never do they follow the chain of causality to its ultimate conclusion. The exception, of course, is when it leads to somebody other than the regime.

Yet, in spite of all this and when challenged, they will, as a last resort, attempt that greatest of self-absolutions by declaring that they are against the regime. I found that discussing Syria with them was always like pinning jelly to a wall, and perhaps out of sheer frustration, I wrote this letter to a closet Shabih in my mind. It’s not directed against any one individual, and if you are a friend of mine who thinks this is addressed to you, rest assured that it is not, but perhaps it would do you good to ponder over its contents.

I thought I would use closet Shabih to denote somebody whose actions belie their words with regards to Assad and his regime. Here is what I have to say to them:

Dear Friend,

I think it best to put in words the concerns and worries that have nagged me over the past eighteen months. In putting thoughts on paper, I find that it helps me articulate better what it is I’m trying to say. Who knows? Perhaps whilst writing this letter some obstacle in my subconscious might be removed, and I’ll be able to get to the bottom of what has been puzzling me for the past eighteen months.

If you haven’t guessed already, the object of my bewilderment is you. As you know by now, because you’re my friend, I wear my heart on my sleeve and what I think I usually say. My position on things is always quite clear, and even two years ago, when it was so frightening to take a position on the events that have overtaken us all, I put my own worries and fear aside to say something against what I perceived to be an injustice. I didn’t deal with the injustice as some obscure and isolated subject, but as something which has a cause and which will, in turn, effect its own change.

I did not see the same thing from yourself throughout the past two years. We all had a fear barrier to overcome when it came to this regime, and we all took positions. Some people we both know are no longer friends to one or either of us. Those who took a position with the regime did so for their own reasons, and those who took a position with the revolution, they did so for their own reasons too. My position was always clear, I was against the killing, and as it was the regime doing so, then I automatically became opposed to the regime.

The source of my puzzlement is that your position is not clear. These are modern times, so I can see your Facebook comments and Tweets. I see the things you “Like”, and the shares you “Share” or re-tweet. You don’t ever openly condemn the regime, nor do you demand that the dictator steps down. When somebody tells you that the regime has killed such and such a person, you nod sympathetically and then tell them that “both sides” are doing horrible things, and that only dialogue can resolve this. You were silent when the Houla and Bayada massacres took place, but not one article that is critical of the oppositions slips your Likes and Re-Tweets. If somebody tells you about a massacre perpetrated by the regime, you nod your head despairingly and speak of it like an act of God that is to be borne patiently as if it is something that will pass.

The loudest I hear your voice is when you want to criticize the outside interference in the country. It’s only then that you condemn and get angry; that you feel passionate and patriotic. At best you tut-tut people who call for foreign military intervention, arguing that even more Syrian lives will sadly be lost. Yet you seem to take an almost perverse delight in sharing whatever doomsday scenario is predicted for the country if it doesn’t involve the regime staying in power. It is almost as if, my friend, that the only position you will take regarding events in Syria is one of no position and the only politics you will countenance, without the regime staying in power, is the politics of despair.

I feel that I can’t talk to you about this, because our discussions go in circles. I won’t bring out a specific list of grievances because I’m not that kind of person. What I do want is to get past that infuriating persona you wear. I want to get past that emotionless intellect which invokes hollow responses each time somebody criticizes the regime in front of you, or which sulks in silence when faced with irrefutable arguments. I want to know what you really think, to speak to the real you. Stop hiding behind somebody else’s answers, and stop pretending like you don’t know what I’m talking about. Are you still frightened? We’re all frightened. Do you support the regime because you benefit from it? Fine, say so. Don’t insult my intelligence for goodness’ sake. All I ask for is intellectual honesty.

Sincerely,
Maysaloon

October 5th, 2012, 6:39 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO 332 #

OK, let’s discuss.

You are telling me that Syrians had a simple choice on whether to fight back for their lives.

After Assad CHOSE to escalate his terror tactics killing protesters publicly instead of privately, every single Syrian affected (physically, economically, intellectually or emotionally)should have ignored their human instincts to fight back, and instead have gone limp and laid down?

In other words, all should be pushed under the mat to fester and explode later; let Assad open a few mass concentration camps filled with entire townships, put the security services on steriods, keep firing live ammunition into unarmed demonstrators and everyone affected go meekly back to normal.

“Normal” being what is described in #106. Which reminds us of the bleak inevitability of today’s scenario, from the moment Hafez Assad seized power, put Syria in a headlock and started kicking, choking and robbing it.

And China, sure. Were you switched on in enough in 1989 to follow the news of Tienamen Square? Chinese in private tell me the outside world saw only about 10% of what went on there. In today’s digital world it might have been very different.

Every analysis you read of China lists civil unrest as the biggest single risk factor for the country’s future. Do a recent news scan and you’ll see a constant flow of accounts of regional showdowns and government crackdowns.

The response of the Chinese government in an effort to keep the lid on has been various types of reform – most noticeable in economic development and public anti-corruption campaigns. But it’s fragile, which is why they still have to run a terror state. A circular situation.

Chinese are humans and so are Syrians. And so are all those people who broke down the Berlin wall and mass demonstrated in Ukraine and other places to push the Soviets out of their countries, locking arms and bravely chanting “you can’t kill us all!”.

That was the 1980s. It was also the era of Assad’s Hama massacre. But the arrival of mobile phones and youtube and satellite TV this century has just given it a different and more powerful twist.

And the average Chinese are so rich, are they? Did you check out how millions of workers live in the cities, in mazes of underground concrete tunnels, having been forced to leave their children back in the bleak impoverished rural areas so they can earn enough to ensure they are fed. Their collapsed and corrupted health system? Let’s not start.

These images have been given to me by expatriate Chinese, distressed when they go home on visits. But it’s all also well covered in the world media.

It’s not sustainable and the Chinese leaders know it, and their various policies and attempts at reform on many fronts show they are constantly (and often clumsily) working to keep things from exploding. But I think we’ll live to see how human the Chinese really are.

And let’s not start on Algeria and its sweet little human rightist government, giving the Assidists the inspiration for “fake Islamist” atrocities against civilians and all the rest. I think we’ll see one day that Algerians are normal and human too.

You may be out there looking at other places in the world, but a drive through dirt poor rural Syria or a glimpse inside Assad’s political prisons would have given you a clue or two of what was going to happen.

October 5th, 2012, 6:48 pm

 

Visitor said:

I thought that these Iranistani bassij and RG terrorists should have been tried and executed by the FSA. What is taking them so long to apply justice?

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/56044-syria-rebels-threaten-to-execute-iranian-hostages

October 5th, 2012, 7:01 pm

 

Visitor said:

Some Alawites are beginning to wake up and get rid of the worship of the agent of Satan,

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/56018-alawite-group-calls-on-sect-to-join-syria-revolt

October 5th, 2012, 7:05 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ANNIE #345, that’s brilliant.

Maysaloon has written to ZOO! He knows ZOO and ALBO and some others here. He has their script on tape and is playing it back.

It’s wonderful.

Here’s the link, which I am now circulating to others:
http://www.maysaloon.org/2012/10/a-letter-to-closet-shabiha-assad.html.

Keep it coming. And thank you.

October 5th, 2012, 7:05 pm

 

Visitor said:

And the latest from Qirdaha. Twenty dead, demolished houses and threats of exterminating injured in the hospitals,

“شبيحة” آل الأسد يهدمون منازل جرحى القرداحة
فادي سعد، الجمعة 5 تشرين الأول 2012

    
ارسل

احفظ

اطبع

(أ.ف.ب.)
تطورت الأزمة في القرداحة، مسقط رأس العائلة الحاكمة في سوريا، إذ وفيما أكدت مصادر في البلدة وصول عدد القتلى الى 20 وهدم الشبيحة بعض منازل آل عثمان واسماعيل، شهدت قرى علوية مجاورة دعوات للتظاهر ضد النظام وتوزيع مناشير تطالب بإسقاطه. وكانت الاشتباكات بدأت في القرداحة بين آل الأسد من جهة، وعائلات أخرى بينها العثمان والخير من جهة ثانية، على خلفية اعتقال عضو هيئة التنسيق المعارضة الدكتور عبد العزيز الخير والكلفة البشرية المتزايدة على الطائفة العلوية نتيجة القتال الدائر بين الجيشين النظامي و”الحر”.

في المقابل، بدأ النظام محاولات للمصالحة عبر تقديم ديّات بإشراف كل من كمال الأسد ورامي مخلوف، وسط تهديد شبيحة آل الأسد بالنزول الى المشافي وقتل جرحى الاشتباكات فيها. كما أن أنباءً عن خطف ثلاث فتيات من آل الخيّر على أيدي مسلحين من آل الاسد، زادت الاوضاع توتراً.

وفي محاولة لتهدئة الوضع، أرسل الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد مندوباً رفيع المستوى إلى القرداحة، وفقاً لمصادر فيها. كما اتصل بإحدى الشخصيات من آل الخير، طالباً منها التدخل عند العائلة لحل الموضوع “حبياً”.

وكانت مصادر في القرداحة أكدت لـ “NOW” أن عدد القتلى وصل الى 11 قتيلاً هم 6 من آل عثمان و4 من آل الخير وجريحان خطران، واحد من عائلة شاليش والثاني من عائلة جركس، إضافة الى إصابة محمد الأسد الملقب بـ”شيخ الجبل” بجروح بليغة تهدد حياته، وهو ما يهدد بمزيد من المضاعفات.

وبعد يومين على المواجهات، وزع ناشطون علويون مناهضون للنظام مناشير تطالب باسقاطه في قريتي رويسة البساتنه ورويسة عفيف (أربعة الى ستة كيلومترات غرب القرداحة) وفي قرية قويقه (شمال غربي القرداحة) والقرندح في أقصى الجبل، وحرف المسيتره وصلنفه. توزيع المناشير بدأ منذ وقت مبكر، ولكنه تكثف يوم الرابع من تشرين الأول. وكانت مناشير قد وُزعت في قرية دوير بعبده ( قرية صلاح جديد المعارض التاريخي لحافظ الاسد) وفي قرية الداليه الكبيرة في سفوح مصياف وأقصى الجبل (15 كيلومتراً شرق دوير بعبده)، كذلك لُوحظت كتابات ومناشير في قرى الجويبات – الدرداره – عنازة بانياس – تالين – بيت الشيخ يونس (صافيتا) وقؤية بسنديانا (جبله) وقرية راس الخشوفه التي تبعد ثلاثة كيلومترات غرب (قرية المندره) غرب صافيتا، وهي قرية وزير الدفاع السابق العماد علي حبيب الذي اتهم النظام بقتله لرفضه اقتحام حماه.

كما تشير الأخبار من القرداحة والجبل إلى مساعي رامي مخلوف ومساعديه إلى تكوين ميليشيا جديدة لحرف الصراع القائم حالياً وإعادة توجيهه إلى خارج المنطقة، ليتخذ لوناً طائفياً يعيد تجميع صفوف العائلات. كما يحاول مخلوف كسب ودّ القرويين العلويين الفقراء بتقديمه معونات مالية وطحيناً ومعلبات.

من ناحية ثانية، نفذت مجموعة من “الشبيحة” هجوماً شاملاً على أطراف اللاذقية، وصولاً الى مدرسة الزراعة في بوقا. كما أن هناك هجمات على ضواحي اللاذقية في قرى كنسبا -بداما- قساطل المعاف (مصيف شهير) على طريق اللاذقية – جسر الشغور. يقود هذه الاشتباكات  منذر الاسد، ابن جميل، وايمن جابر تاجر السلاح الشهير ومجموعة رامي مخلوف وسواهم من شبيحة العائلة.

http://www.nowlebanon.com/Arabic/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=443459

October 5th, 2012, 7:15 pm

 

Tara said:

Is Maysaloon a man or a woman? She/ He is extremely eloquent. Does anyone know anything about Maysaloon?

October 5th, 2012, 7:27 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Homs is being forgotten as most eyes are on Aleppo,but Homs proper will not be the same if the rebels do not receive help in the next few days. Controlling Homs according to government sources is around the corner and its reef will follow,namely Q’sair and Rastan which can dramatically reduce chances of a military rebound by the rebels.
The government also reported that two army officers were wounded due to Turkish bombing.jaafari denied again that an apology was issued and refused to take responsibility for shelling a Turkish town, another mortar was fired at Turkey this morning which makes it more likely than not that the shelling was not the work of the syrian army.
Without making this post longer,there is no sign that the rebels will be able to turn the table any time soon , to the contrary, eye witnesses in Qudsaya reported inner fighting and street executions done by hardliners who refused to lay down their weapons and killed those who did not want to fight,this is leaving Syrians waiting for a miraculous solution to a war that killed more than 30,000 Syrians and led to $60-90 billion in damages in real estate and infrastructure only.
(I could not find the brilliance or the elegance in maysaloun’s piece, that does not reduce the value of the post,I find it to be boring and vague,may be it is my age)

October 5th, 2012, 7:38 pm

 

Warren said:

Abu Hamza among five terror suspects extradited to USA

Five terror suspects, including the radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, have flown out of the UK on a jet bound for the United States.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19853903

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Great news for the people of Britain; the Arab welfare parasite Abu Hamza and the Paki terrorist Babar Ahmad are now going to face justice: these sunni cowards have been avoiding this for years!

Another Sunni coward Omar Bakri ran back to Lebanon to avoid prosecution in England. Then when the Israelis bombed Lebanon in ’06, the Sunni coward sought refuge on a British navy vessel.

Banned cleric barred from rescue ship

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jul/21/syria.immigrationpolicy

October 5th, 2012, 7:43 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ANNIE,

As someone just tweeted about Maysalon’s piece you posted above:

“So many closet-shabeeha on the net would rather sit on the fence whilst pointing the finger at the victims ..”

Exactly.

Sitting on the fence and pointing the finger at victims.

A clever and sharp summary of what we witness from our closet shabiha here on SC day after day.

October 5th, 2012, 7:43 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Warren #353,

Ho hum. Good news, but no reason for you dumping it on SyriaComment.

How many other sites are you busily filling round the clock with your anti-Islamic obsession?

Lost count? Lost the plot?

October 5th, 2012, 7:59 pm

 

Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN #352

That’s interesting that you didn’t “get” Maysaloon’s piece.

Maybe it is a sign you should be worried about yourself.

October 5th, 2012, 8:10 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Tara,

Maysaloon is a guy. He actually has commented here frequently in the past, this comment forums has inspired many Syrians to create their own blogs (Alex, and OTW come to mind)

Considering this blog has been around since 2004 and was really the first place where Syrians (mainly expats) could talk politics with like minded fellows.

October 5th, 2012, 8:18 pm

 

Warren said:

Radical Islamist Claims Burgas Terrorist Was His Disciple

Omar Bakri, the founder of the group ‘Al Muhadzhirun’, says the terrorist who killed five Israelis in Bulgaria was his disciple.

A radical Islamic leader has claimed that the suicide bomber who killed five Israeli citizens and a Bulgarian bus driver in the city of Burgas in July was his disciple.

Omar Bakri, the founder of the group ‘Al Muhadzhirun’ who currently lives in Lebanon after leaving Britain following the attacks at the London Underground, made the comments in an interview for the Centre for Middle East studies, published in a Bulgarian daily. The interview was translated into English by NewEurope online.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/160586

October 5th, 2012, 8:25 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Zoo,

“Do you mean that the air bombers attacking the rebel strongholds and trying to protect the civilians population are ghosts?”

According to Amnesty international the MAJORITY of the people that are targeted by the Assadi airforce are civilians. We have had this discussion before and I linked the report which was published in late August.

And no they are not ghosts, they call themselves that. Shabi7at Al-Assad

October 5th, 2012, 8:25 pm

 

Tara said:

SOD

Thanks. I am very impressed by his writings. Does he live in North America or Europe? He is very talented and often expresses many thoughts I have that I can never materialize into words.

October 5th, 2012, 8:28 pm

 

Ales said:

All reports about “agreed no fly zone” will turn out to be lies.

October 5th, 2012, 8:32 pm

 

Warren said:

Christians ’emptied from Middle East’

THE mother superior of a 1500-year-old monastery in Syria warned yesterday during a visit to Australia that the uprising against Bashar al-Assad has been hijacked by foreign Islamist mercenaries, with strong support from Western countries.

Mother Agnes-Mariam de la Croix was forced to flee to neighbouring Lebanon in June when she was warned of a plot to abduct her, after she revealed that about 80,000 Christians had been “cleared” by rebel forces from their homes in Homs province.

She described on the website of the Greek-Melkite Catholic monastery of St James, the church she rebuilt 18 years ago after discovering it in ruins, how Islamist rebels had gathered Christian and Alawi hostages in a building in Khalidiya in Homs. Then they blew it up with dynamite and attributed the act to the regular army.

Mother Agnes-Mariam plans to return to Syria soon, to support the Mussalaha (Reconciliation) community-based movement, which rejects sectarian violence and includes, she said, members of all ethnic and religious communities who are tired of war.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/christians-emptied-from-middle-east/story-e6frg6so-1226489418086

October 5th, 2012, 8:37 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

“What I want to point out, is that when you know your rulers to be authoritarian, and that they have used violence before, the decision to form a guerilla and wage war is something that should be weighted cautiously. If success was never a given, that violence would escalate was a certainty”

The right for self defence cannot ever be disregarded. The right for someone to voice their opinions should never be met with deadly force, and when it is you have every right to fight back. The right to bear arms and self defence when the state fails to do so is not a negotiable thing, it is to be expected.

What you and many others are continuously guilty of is the constant disregard to the civil aspect of this revolution that continues to thrive to this day. If you have an issue with the armed wing why not support the civil wing which is inclusive, peaceful, and on the most part secular. Every friday like clock work protestors all over Syria flood the streets, and to this day the Assadi army attacks them. Take for example Al-Houla today civilians came out to protest:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631700843997/

and when they did Assad’s tanks attacked it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631700843995/

October 5th, 2012, 8:43 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

361 Warren

“Christians emptied from Middle East”

Those poor Muslims. After the last Christian is expelled from the Middle East, the remaining Muslims will soon discover they haven’t even a nail to scratch their behinds with.

October 5th, 2012, 8:43 pm

 

Tara said:

 
SC is losing its allure.  I am surprised that JL is allowing its slow suicide.  It is mostly a forum lettting Sunni haters and other haters express their hate.  The world is so ugly and we do not need one more place to experience that ugliness. In addition some comments are so dull that one can’t even force him/herself to read ’em.  Most interesting, thought- provoking, eloquent, or funny people left.  Lots of the comments are comments on the comments.  Can haters take their hate somewhere else.  I only want to read love stories.       

October 5th, 2012, 8:52 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

Tara,

He has mentioned it on his blog that he lives in the UK.

October 5th, 2012, 8:54 pm

 

Warren said:

Muslim cleric banned from Britain claims Al Qaeda poised to launch sucide attacks in Syria

Omar Bakri Mohammed, the radical cleric banned from the United Kingdom for ‘glorifying terrorism’, has told the Daily Telegraph from his base in the Middle East that al Qaeda is poised to wage war against the Syrian regime.

Bakri, once nicknamed the ‘Tottenham Ayatollah’, said hard line Salafi Muslim groups, including al Qaeda, and his own Al-Ghuraba group, also proscribed in the UK, are ready to help their ‘Muslim brothers’ with a campaign of suicide attacks against President Bashar al Assad.

“In two or three operations, [al Qaeda] can make the Ba’ath party run away,” he added. “With self sacrifices operations – you call them suicide bombings, al Qaeda will go to the Parliament when the Ba’ath are inside, he will explode and he will say ‘Oh God receive me. Oh God I am hurrying towards you'”.

“Al Qaeda are so clever, they can make so many weapons from nothing. They can go to any kitchen, make a very nice pizza bomb and deliver it fresh,” added Bakri.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9039437/Muslim-cleric-banned-from-Britain-claims-Al-Qaeda-poised-to-launch-sucide-attacks-in-Syria.html#

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Salafi Sheikh Omar Bakri of Lebanon Teaches “Free Syrian Army” Terror

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIgnUuOC4RE

Listen to this sunni psycho! lol

October 5th, 2012, 9:11 pm

 

Aldendeshe said:

@TARA,

They left ever since the Syrian Revolution was hijacked and turned into sectarian war against all Syrians and after Landis pocketed his payola grande to tow the mercenaries line and allowed murderers and criminals to post here, good posters left. Only hard skinned, street smart ne like me can take this crap, even with thick skin I try to avoid coming here.

The sad part about it is that, this is the second generation after Hama, the first campaign back then failed. After 30 years they came back and did the same, they will fail. 30 years from now, they will still come again and repeat it exactemente, unless we get Ataturk or Peron even Pinochet and Spain’s Franco Syria will never evolve into real state.

October 5th, 2012, 9:13 pm

 

Visitor said:

Why would barking Lavrov visit KSA and Egypt in November?

Shouldn’t KSA and Egypt declare Lavrov persona non grata?

http://www.aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=698513&issueno=12366

October 5th, 2012, 9:43 pm

 

Warren said:

Syria – Valley of the Missiles – Thames Television

Published on Jul 16, 2012

The cameras from Thames Television’s ‘TV Eye’ visit Syria and neighbouring Lebanon during the height of the middle east troubles. With exclusive interviews with the Syrian President – Hafez al-Assad, and unique footage of the beseiged town of Zahle, the capital of the Bekaa Valley. First broadcast on ITV 11/06/1981

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih0aCHnjDko&feature=g-user-c

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October 5th, 2012, 10:13 pm

 

Observer said:

I copied this note sent earlier and I am absolutely amazed at the self promoting delusional circular thinking; here it is:

“This is probably an indirect way for Erdogan to prevent the rebels from going to go back and forth through these borders.
Turkey has already kicked out the FSA commands but then complained they were still using their bases in Turkey.
This is a not a no-fly zone but a no man’s land. Anyone found there will be shot by either side, indiscriminently.

Erdogan is discreetly using any incident to distanciate himself from the rebels increasingly perceived by the West as heavily polluted by sunni extremists and not worth helping anymore.”

So Erdogan has used the death of Turks by Syrian fire to create a no man’s land whereby the FSA would be excluded.

How is he going to prevent the FSA from roaming around? How is the Assadi army going to prevent them if it cannot approach to within 10 km x 322 km along the border?
Why does he need that if all the arms and weapons are coming through Turkey, he can stop that flow any minute unless he is not capable of doing so. Are we to believe that the Turkish army like the Assadi thugs is not capable of controlling the border and the countryside?

Where does this person live? In an office is some animal care taker facility?

In the meantime, Mali has declared Sharia and the Alshabab have retreated from Kismaou and Shakshavili is in the opposition and Chavez may lose the election!!!!!

But hey do not listen to the inner fighting in Quradaha; it is an Zionist Salafist Imperialist propaganda.

doen’t this guy have any shame?

October 5th, 2012, 10:26 pm

 

zoo said:

Guufran #251

Your age or his/her age? It is an old fashion lecture from someone who believes he/she detains the absolute truth.
Like most lecturers who know it all, it emphatic, pretentious and boring.
Big yawn.

October 5th, 2012, 10:30 pm

 

zoo said:

The Moslem Brotherhood wave in Jordan

Jordan’s opposition rallies for reform

Suha Philip Ma’ayeh
Oct 6, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/jordan-s-opposition-rallies-for-reform

Amman // Thousands of Islamists marched through Amman yesterday calling for political reform and an end to corruption in the biggest display of street power by the Muslim Brotherhood since protests began in Jordan last year.
The “Friday to Rescue the Nation” rally took place a day after King Abdullah II dissolved parliament and called for elections.

Some analysts speculated that rather than a concession to the opposition, the timing of parliament’s dissolution was meant to send a message to the Islamists that they are no longer welcome in the political arena.

The Islamic Action Front, a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot, and Jordan’s main opposition bloc, has been angered by the slow pace of reforms promised by the king after the Arab Spring swept the region in early 2011. The group is calling for broader political representation and a more democratic parliament.

While most of the estimated 15,000 people who marched yesterday were supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, the protesters included liberal and youth groups.

Demonstrators from across the country flocked to the main street leading to the Husseini Mosque in central Amman after Friday prayers and chanted: “We want to reform the regime.”

“I am here because we have not seen any reforms until now,” said Ahmad Hamdi, a youth member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s political wing, Islamic Action Front. “We will continue to take to the streets,” he said.

Hundreds of youths carried banners saying: “The corrupt are God’s enemies” and “For how long will the regime protect corrupt officials?”

October 5th, 2012, 10:40 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

Another helicopter for the terrorist Syrian regime goes down. This time, the video shows where the plane got hit. And if you were wondering, the plane was not shut down while trying to free the Golan Heights. It was shut down while unleashing its firepower on the Syrian people who want dignity and freedom from the barbarians (from all persuasions) who have been ruling Syria for close to 50 years.

I don’t know what happened to the terrorists piloting the plane, but it is safe to assume that they are no longer with us. Good riddance.

October 5th, 2012, 10:41 pm

 

zoo said:

Morsi makes more promises, this time in the Sinai

http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-leader-pledges-ease-sinai-crackdown-195247438.html

Some Sinai clerics who met with Morsi on Friday were skeptical of his promises.

“The president has made many promises now and before as well, but so far we have seen nothing,” said Abu Faisal, one of the region’s leading Islamists.

October 5th, 2012, 11:01 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria exporting war to neighbors: SNC

ISTANBUL – Hürriyet Daily News
Abdulbaset Sieda blames the Syrian regime for the shelling of Akçakale.

Abdulbaset Sieda blames the Syrian regime for the shelling of Akçakale.
The Syrian regime is trying to enlarge the Syrian civil war into a regional conflict by exporting the war to Turkey, Abdulbaset Sieda, leader of the most prominent Syrian opposition group, the Syrian National Council (SNC), said on Oct. 5.

“The Syrian regime is responsible for the bombing and shelling of Akçakale. They are trying to export the war to Turkey and turn it into a regional conflict in order to keep attention away from the revolutionary struggle inside Syria,” Sieda told a group of journalists at a press conference in Istanbul.

October 5th, 2012, 11:13 pm

 

zoo said:

Can Morsi be Egypt’s Özal?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/can-morsi-be-egypts-ozal.aspx?pageID=449&nID=31780&NewsCatID=403

Turkey and Egypt have just signed an agreement for Turkey to extend $2 billion of credit to Egypt. This is meant to support the new economic program that the Egyptian government is trying to put together with the IMF. The program is almost complete, but there are tough choices that Egypt needs to make.

Those choices are tough because of years of neglect, if you ask me. Egypt and Turkey are decades apart, yet eerily close at the same time. Neglect is what really separates them. I believe that Morsi can close this gap through reforms and become Eypt’s Özal.

October 5th, 2012, 11:18 pm

 

zoo said:

Rebels Say West’s Inaction Is Radicalizing Syria

By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: October 5, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/world/middleeast/rebels-say-wests-inaction-is-radicalizing-syria.html?pagewanted=all

….
But he offered a warning to the West now commonly heard among fighters seeking the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad: The Syrian people are being radicalized by a combination of a grinding conflict and their belief that they have been abandoned by a watching world.

If the West continues to turn its back on Syria’s suffering, he said, Syrians will turn their backs in return, and this may imperil Western interests and security at one of the crossroads of the Middle East.

October 5th, 2012, 11:27 pm

 

zoo said:

Will Iran remain passive?

Syrian insurgents threaten to kill Iranian abductees in 48 hours

Sat Oct 6, 2012 3:10AM GMT
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/06/265188/fsa-threatens-to-kill-iranian-abductees/

Members of the self-proclaimed Free Syrian Army (FSA) in Damascus issued the death threat in a video aired by the Saudi-owned television network Al-Arabiya on Friday, Today’s Zaman reported.

The insurgents said they would kill the abductees if the Syrian government does not release captured anti-government insurgents and if it does not stop operations against armed groups in the country within 48 hours.

On August 4, 48 Iranians who were travelling on a bus from Damascus International Airport to the shrine of Hazrat Zeinab (AS) on the outskirts of the Syrian capital were kidnapped by insurgents.

Hundreds of thousands of Iranians travel to Syria every year to visit the Shrine of Hazrat Zeinab (AS) in Damascus.

Iran has appealed to the United Nations, Turkey, and Qatar to make efforts to obtain the release of the Iranian nationals.

October 5th, 2012, 11:31 pm

 

Son of Damascus said:

James Miller of EA WorldView has an interesting takeaway regarding the last few days events between Turkey and the Assadi army. His theory (backed by credible sources) does not put the blame on the rebels as some on here tried to show:

First, note that Hatay province is west of Aleppo, a long ways from where the cross-border incidents north of Al Raqqah occurred. Also note that, according to the Zaman report cited earlier (update 1535), the Syrian government is struggling to keep its own troops out of the 10 kilometer area south of Turkey’s border.

The takeaway – the Syrian government probably is not stupid enough to provoke Turkey and potentially trigger a regime-ending foreign intervention. But the Syrian military has been operating in far less centralized patterns for months. There are no rules of engagement, no limitations on brutality, and no oversight. The Syrian soldiers are used to doing whatever they feel is necessary to crackdown against those who oppose Assad. Turkey is trying ti impose strict rules, but Syrian soldiers are not used to following ANY rules. This is why we have already seen so many cross-border incidents, ruthless massacres of civilians, and other examples of failed leadership on behalf of the Syrian military.

http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2012/10/5/syria-and-beyond-live-coverage-anticipating-a-friday-of-prot.html

October 5th, 2012, 11:46 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

377 ZOO

“If the West continues to turn its back on Syria’s suffering, Syrians will turn their backs in return, and this may imperil Western interests and security at one of the crossroads of the Middle East”

Or maybe not. Maybe they’ll just build a fence around Syria and let the folks inside keep killing until there’s a last man (or woman) standing. All the survivors get free microwaves and flat screen TV sets.

October 6th, 2012, 12:21 am

 

Ghufran said:

During a recent trip to a major metro I had the opportunity to talk but mostly listen to a number of Syrians who fled the violence, they all have money and businesses, most were Sunni, none believed that there can be any winners out of this conflict,almost all agreed that this bloody turn in the rebellion was not possible without Turkish support and Qatari money, most admitted that the army’s response was harsh and disproportionate but all agreed that there was armed rebels in every area that got hit, most victims were civilians who were trapped in hot zones or lived in areas were armed rebels were able to find people who could not say no,some did indeed receive support but that was the exception in Aleppo where most people were and still are unhappy with the rebels presence.
None believed that a total regime collapse is likely but reminded us that a regime change is not now,and probably never was, the goal of rebels masters and outsiders,the destruction of the state is the goal,I am afraid they succeeded,what you hear in the news is a fraction of the misery Syrians are living in today, it will take a miracle to rebuild the country and rehab its people,for once I have to believe in miracles. One guy thinks that much of what we see today is a payback for Iraq where NATO failed and Iran took over that country.

October 6th, 2012, 1:11 am

 

Citizen said:

BREAKING NEWS: Turkish military returns fire after mortar bomb from Syria lands in countryside in Turkey’s Hatay province – state news agency

October 6th, 2012, 2:09 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Prof Landis on BBC radio 5 last night talking about the Turkish military response:

Listen from 15min 55sec:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n1s40

October 6th, 2012, 2:51 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Will the drop in value of the Iranian Rial result in a drop in Iranian tourists/pilgrims to syria?

October 6th, 2012, 3:28 am

 

Albo said:

“The right for self defence cannot ever be disregarded. The right for someone to voice their opinions should never be met with deadly force, and when it is you have every right to fight back. The right to bear arms and self defence when the state fails to do so is not a negotiable thing, it is to be expected.

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The right to voice your opinion may seem eternal when you live in Canada, but was absent in most states throughout history. Alain Chouet, the intelligence officer I quoted before who could be described as very pro-regime here, said that he knows civil security and military officials since the 70′ and says they behaved with “absolute savagery” then he went on says “It’s not that they have a different conception of human rights, they don’t have any conception of human rights”.

In his view, he explains that as the continuation of local traditions, those of the Ottomans with the habits of “impalement, flaying, and elaborate slicing” for 4 centuries, then the methods of colonial troops, then the technical advices of Nazi refugees, and then the KGB experts until 1990. Whatever we think of that, it is clear is that the traditions of liberal democracy inherited by Canadians have never existed in Syria.

About self-defence, many people afraid for themselves and their families, the villager with his baroodeh, were intent on doing exactly that. However, it’s also clear that some militants with an axe to grind also seized the occasion, people linked to the MB who long awaited to reactivate their networks on the ground and may be people advised and ordered from abroad. This became clear when infrastructures were hit soon after the uprising began, not what you usually do in self-defence. Ambushes too don’t look a very safe and reasonned way to protect your neighborhood, and not very moral when you know you can hit a lot of conscripts. I know a lot of people support the latter, think from day one it’s legitimate against the regime, by all means let them say so but what they can’t say is conflating that with self-defence.

Self-defence probably would have failed to avoid repression and bring immediate political changes, but the choice to embark in guerrilla had consequences and our current situation was to be predicted. It’s true that many here long refused to militarize the revolt saying that’s what the regime wants, etc. So if it was to be expected as you say, the soaring casualties too were expected. Now self-defence, militias, foreign meddling everything has become blurried. I stand by my position that, if violence was avoided, the popular pressure all over our region would have brought political changes ultimately if not immediately. Aren’t most Arab rulers who avoided revolutions trying to improvise reforms, after all?

October 6th, 2012, 4:20 am

 

Albo said:

345. SYRIALOVER

Your point boils down, and tell me if I’m misinterpreting,that
“[Syrians, Algerians, Chinese, Eastern Europeans] are normal and human too” and are bound to revolt when they feel their conditions, their rights are not respected.

You already linked the situation in Syria to past revolutions in other countries in older posts. My position is that, if you believe History can teach us anything, then we can see that for every successful, progressive revolution, there also a lot of horrible stages and other cases of absolute trainwrecks. Generally, it seems that the more violent the revolution becomes, as in France and tsarist Russia, the likelihood of a civil war is increased. Both had devastating civil wars, and in both cases another autocratic regime succeeded, Napoleonic france and Bolshevik Russia.

Let’s avoid lengthy comparaisons and exemples. What I wanted to convey with those is that if you think the political regime you live in is bad, you have to weight in the potential of having a few hundreds thousands of civilian deaths along with the destruction of your country, and do simple arithmetics.
Even if the whole Assad family fled tomorrow, I expect the fight to drag on and casualties to multiply. We may reach those hundreds of thousands of deads. Whoever prevails, I don’t see how mass vengeance can be prevented. If you think otherwise, tell me why, and it’s not a rhetorical question. My assessment is that foreign meddling will also augment, by multiple actors, none of them real “friends” who have in heart first and foremost, the well being of Syrians. And that too will add fuel to the fire.
Algerian, Iraqi, Lebanese chaos and aftermathes are to me much worse than the tyranny we had, I tell you that honestly, but I wonder how even you can think otherwise.

But now that almost all has been said and done…I know that people more affected, with more grudges than me had a hard time doing this little math. But deep down, many would agree if they appreciated it with a cold head.
What we have is insane, it should stop immediately, but since each side is convinced they can win, they want the others to stop, or to stop them by crushing them. And external players are here to prop them up. So I expect the grim aftermath I described to come true.

October 6th, 2012, 5:06 am

 

Warren said:

No Demonstrations in Pakistan When Christian Girls Raped

KNOXVILLE, TN (Catholic Online) – Just about the time that the demonstrations over the infamous video clip about the prophet Muhammad seem to be dying down, I am reminded of the degradation that Christians suffer in Muslim countries and the hypocrisy of it all.

Ever since the attack on our embassy in Benghazi, Libya and the murder of four Americans on September 11, the news has been flooded with pictures of mobs burning American flags and effigies of President Obama throughout the Muslim world in protest of a video, which we are told hurts the feelings of the Muslim people.

Days after the “Love the Prophet Day” demonstrations in Pakistan, where the largest, most violent, week-long demonstrations occurred, I read a headline article in Asia News that says, “The wave of anti-Christian violence has not stopped in Pakistan. Abuses continue to be perpetrated in the name of the blasphemy law and acts of sexual violence are carried out against underage girls from religious minorities. . . .”

Allah Rakhi is 10 years old. She is from a poor Christian family in Yousafabad, Madina Town, Faisalabad in Pakistan. In late August she went to a store to sell some things. It was there she met Muhammad Nazir. He lured the trusting 10 year old to his house under the pretense that he was interested in buying her things, but the money was at his house. When Allah’s father found her, she was unconscious on the floor, naked and bleeding. A porno movie was playing on the television.

The vicar general of the Diocese of Faisalabad, Father Khalid Rashid Asi, said, “The lack of justice in Pakistan means that the rich and powerful think that they can commit such acts and get away with it.” If a Muslim girl had been raped, he went on to say, “It is likely that all the Christian homes in the area would have been torched.”

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=47859

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What a vile, cowardly and hypocritical people Pakis are! Yet we have to put up with a Paki spouting against the last secular regime in the Middle East, where Christians have dignity, security and rights. Unlike the vile Sunni Sharia states; that persecute and humiliate Christians.

Riyadh deports 35 Ethiopian Christians for praying

29 women, 6 men assaulted while in jail for months after being detained for holding an all-night prayer vigil in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=280081

Mind your own business you Paki cretin!

October 6th, 2012, 5:54 am

 

Warren said:

‘Destroy All the Churches’

Imagine if Pat Robertson called for the demolition of all the mosques in America. It would be front-page news. It would be on every network and cable-news program. There would be a demand for Christians to denounce him, and denounce him they would — in the harshest terms. The president of the United States and other world leaders would weigh in, too. Rightly so.

So why is it that when Abdulaziz ibn Abdullah Al al-Sheikh, the grand mufti of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, declares that it is “necessary to destroy all the churches in the Arabian Peninsula,” the major media do not see this as even worth reporting? And no one, to the best of my knowledge, has noted that he said this to the members of a terrorist group.

Here are the facts: Some members of the Kuwaiti parliament have been seeking to demolish churches or at least prohibit the construction of new ones within that country’s borders. So the question arose: What does sharia, Islamic law, have to say about this issue?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/294112/destroy-all-churches-clifford-d-may

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Not a word of condemnation from the Sunni taqqiyyas on here of the deranged Grand Mufti’s abominable statement. Yet this same Sunni bigoted Mufti issues Fatwas banning protests against the Saud tyranny.

Saudi Arabia prints 1.5m copies of religious edict banning protests

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/saudi-arabia-edict-banning-protests

Typical sunni taqqiyya hypocritical mentality, Al Assad ‘s dictatorship is bad because he is non-Sunni, Hussein’s dictatorship is good because he is Sunni. Iran’s theocracy is bad but Saudistan’s theocracy is good.

Imagine what is going to happen to Syria’s minorities when SNC/FSA have friends like the Saudi Grand Mufti?

October 6th, 2012, 6:42 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

When someone claims that the Assadi army is not targeting civilians but actually “protecting” them by dropping bombs over their heads is he really being honest with themselves? Or do they really think that 80% civilian casualty is a justifiable cost of cleaning up the city from “rebels”?

As Syria’s Bloody Civil War Rages, Aleppo’s Hospitals Are Under Siege
Civilians and rebels say Bashar al-Assad’s forces have been targeting medical facilities—even ambulances—in the battle for key opposition city.

In a hospital located in Aleppo’s crowded Tariq al Bab neighborhood, there’s a gruesome routine. First comes the sound of an explosion of heavy artillery landing nearby, followed five minutes later by the screech of an ambulance arriving with the blast’s victims.

Friends and doctors lift a young man out of the back of the ambulance. Another mortar crashes a few blocks away and the ambulance races off. The young man, who has a gaping hole in his inner thigh, is carried in to the hospital. This is what a constant bombardment of a city of millions looks like and sometimes the only sounds to be heard are screams and sirens.

“The most common injury is from airplane bombing and mortars,” said a hospital doctor who gave only the name Osram. Most medical staff wouldn’t give their names for fear of reprisals by the military or the pro-government militias, known as the shabiha. All requested that the hospital’s name not be given to avoid further attacks on the building.

Fighter planes and helicopters carrying what the rebel Free Syrian Army call “barrel bombs” fly over the city daily. These 500-kilo munitions can destroy half of a city block. As the rebels lack the weapons to systematically take down aircraft, the helicopters seem unconcerned patrolling the skies, taking their time to find their next target.

Aleppo is the center of Syria’s whirlwind of violence. What started 18 months ago with peaceful marches demanding a change in government has turned into suicide bombers massacring dozens in pro-government zones and government jet fighters bombing civilian neighborhoods.

Hundreds of thousands have fled the fighting, whole families living in miserable refugee camps inside and out of Syria. Around 30,000 have beenkilled and the bloodshed is increasing—a record 4,000 were killed in August alone. Activists expect September to surpass even that.

It’s in hospitals like this one where the extent of the carnage is seen—as is how civilians are bearing the brunt of the violence.

In opposition parts of Aleppo, doctors say the majority of the people they treat are civilians.

“Eighty percent of the people are civilians. Twenty percent are Free Syrian Army,” said Osram.

[…]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/06/as-syria-s-bloody-civil-war-rages-aleppo-s-hospitals-are-under-siege.html

October 6th, 2012, 7:23 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Speaking of extremism….

Rebels Say West’s Inaction Is Pushing Syrians to Extremism

SAMAS, Syria — Majed al-Muhammad, the commander of a Syrian antigovernment fighting group, slammed his hand on his desk. “Doesn’t America have satellites?” he asked, almost shouting. “Can’t it see what is happening?”

A retired Syrian Army medic, Mr. Muhammad had reached the rank of sergeant major in the military he now fights against. He said he had never been a member of a party, and loathed jihadists and terrorists.

But he offered a warning to the West now commonly heard among fighters seeking the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad: The Syrian people are being radicalized by a combination of a grinding conflict and their belief that they have been abandoned by a watching world.

If the West continues to turn its back on Syria’s suffering, he said, Syrians will turn their backs in return, and this may imperil Western interests and security at one of the crossroads of the Middle East.

This is a theme that has resonated in recent days, not just in Syria, but in Turkey, where the government fired artillery shells into northern Syria this week after a Syrian mortar round hit a Turkish town and killed five civilians. In Turkey, there is a growing sense of frustration shared by the Syrian rebels that the West, the United States in particular, called for Mr. Assad to leave power, only to sit quietly on the sidelines as the crisis transformed into a bloody civil war.

“We are now at a very critical juncture,” wrote Melih Asik in the Turkish newspaper Milliyet. “We are not only facing Syria, but Iran, Iraq, Russia and China behind it as well. Behind us, we have nothing but the provocative stance and empty promises of the U.S.”

Across northern Syria, in areas that rebels have wrested from government control, such sentiments have become an angry and routine element of the public discourse. Wearied by violence, heading into another winter of fighting, and enraged by what they see as the inaction and hypocrisy of powerful nations, frontline leaders of the rebellion say that the West risks losing a potential ally in the Middle East if the Assad government should fall.

The corollary is frequently sounded, too: The West may be gaining enemies where it might have found friends. As anger grows, armed groups opposed to the United States may grow in numbers and stature, too.

“The United Nations and international community are making a big mistake,” said Ghassan Abdul Wahib, 43, a truck driver and now a leader in Kafr Takharim, a village in the north. “By letting this be a long war, they are dragging Syria toward radicalism, and they will suffer from this for a long time.”

The origins of these sentiments are typically the same: a widely held view that Washington and European capitals are more interested in maintaining the flow of oil from Libya and Iraq, or in protecting Israel, than in Syria and its people’s suffering. The view is supported, Syrians opposed to Mr. Assad say, by the West’s stubborn refusal to provide weapons to the rebels, or to protect civilians and aid the rebels with a no-fly zone.

The contrast with the West’s military assistance and vocal political support to the uprising last year in Libya is frequently drawn.

The donations of nonlethal aid to the Syrian opposition by Washington are often called small-scale, to the extent that none of the half-dozen fighting groups visited by journalists for The New York Times, or the many commanders interviewed in Turkey, claimed to have seen, much less received, American aid.

[…]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/world/middleeast/rebels-say-wests-inaction-is-radicalizing-syria.html?_r=1&

October 6th, 2012, 7:25 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Albo,

With all due respect but when you quote a bigoted intelligence officer that thinks the West is civilized and us Arabs are a bunch of savages that can’t comprehend human rights as a counter argument to Syrians having a proper State that respects the Universal Declaration for Human Rights and the Geneva Convention is when I end this conversation.

No the West or any other nation is NOT more pre-disposed to Democracy than Arabs. To think that means the entire world except the Western World is not capable of basic human rights, and that is Bull Sh*t.

If you have a rule of law that is RESPECTED and JUSTLY implemented as Syria HAD in the past, then there is nothing to fear.

October 6th, 2012, 7:41 am

 

Tara said:

Deterrence what?  Nothing is *deterring* Batta…  Does Erdogan think that firing into empty space can deter Batta?  Why doesn’t he supply the rebels with weapons to take down the fighting jets? 

Turkey returns fire after Syrian bomb crosses border
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 6 October 2012 06.03 EDT

Turkey has returned fire after a mortar bomb shot from Syria landed in a field in southern Turkey.
…..
It was the fourth day of Turkish strikes in retaliation for mortar bombs and shelling by Syrian forces that killed five Turkish civilians further east on Wednesday.

The Hatay provincial governor’s office said the round fired from Syria on Saturday hit empty land near the village of Guvecci in Yayladagi district, 50 metres inside Turkey, at 7am.

“It is assessed that the shell was fired by Syrian Arab Republic security forces at opposition forces along the border,” a statement on its website said.

“There was no loss of life in the incident. The Guvecci border post retaliated in kind with four rounds from 81mm mortars.”

The Dogan news agency said another mortar round from Syria landed around 50 metres from an observation tower near Guvecci around 11am and smoke rose from the area. There were no immediate reports of casualties or retaliation but a response was expected.

Dogan said the governor’s office had warned people in the area not to go out on balconies or spend time in open places. It said the Red Crescent was offering psychological support to people in the area. There were two similar incidents in Hatay on Friday.

“Those who attempt to test Turkey’s deterrence, its decisiveness, its capacity, I say here they are making a fatal mistake,” Erdogan said in a bellicose speech to a crowd in Istanbul on Friday afternoon.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/06/turkey-returns-fire-syria

October 6th, 2012, 7:47 am

 

zoo said:

380. Johannes de Silentio

I agree with you, but the rebels do not want to admit it. The day they would face the reality that they don’t have the power to win, blackmail or threaten the region then we can have some hopes for the end of the chaos. It’s a very distressing to do that, as for them, it is accepting the failure of their 18 months goal.

October 6th, 2012, 8:06 am

 

zoo said:

It is obvious that Erdogan is trying to use the attack by Syria to its maximum, but it backfired.

He forced the Turkish parliament to push for a law that will give him unilateral rights to attack ‘enemies’ cross border. That comes just on time as the Iraqi government is about to cancel the permission it gave to Turkey to hunt the PKK on Iraqi soil. With this law, Turkey can ignore Iraq’s decision.

He created an embryo of ‘buffer zone’ that could play two purposes depending on the evolution of the situation. It could be used to prevent the movement of the FSA fighters in case he decides that to get rid of them for good, or a buffer zone to get rid of the refugees if the FSA is able to occupy the area bordering it.

Yet Turkey got a big blow today in the UNSC statement voted today.

The Syrian attack on Turkey and the terrorist attack in Aleppo are equally condemned in the same statement. It is therefore subtly linking the two events and therefore weakening the Syria condemnation, as the Syrian attack appears either like a justified retaliation for the Aleppo attack or another provocation from the terrorists rebels to hit at Turkey to distract from the imminent Aleppo defeat.
Moreover, and this is a premiere, the UNSC is officially admitting the presence of Al Qaeeda in Syria, therefore confirming the stances of the Syrian government and pointing at Turkey for allowing Al Qaeeda to cross to Syria from its territory .

In that, the UNSC Statement, with Russia’s help has become a psychological victory for the Syrian government, and a tap on the back on Erdogan and international warning not to escalate the war.

October 6th, 2012, 8:35 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Rania Abouzeid informative as usual.

Syria’s Up-and-Coming Rebels: Who Are the Farouq Brigades?

Amid the hodgepodge of groups that make up the armed opposition to Bashar Assad, one organization is coming dramatically to the fore

The four men had journeyed for seven hours by bus from the southern Turkish city of Antakya for a meeting they considered crucial. It was about to take place on the patio of a three-star hotel in the southeastern Turkish city of Urfa. The men — two young Free Syrian Army (FSA) commanders from Raqqa province in eastern Syria, a prominent civilian activist from the area and an FSA military adviser from the outskirts of Aleppo — were concerned with just one thing: which rebel group would control the border crossing of Tal Abyad, which had been taken less than two weeks earlier, on Sept. 19, from the forces loyal to Syrian president Bashar Assad.

In the hotel patio were more than a dozen men, representatives of various rebel groups operating in Raqqa province, drinking water and milling about several tables organized into a long row. The four warmly greeted those they knew, but there were many they clearly did not. It was 8:45 p.m. The bordercrossing was a priority, but so too was dinner. Most of the group broke awayand headed to a nearby restaurant. The four men waited on the patio, along with several others, including a man named Abu Ahmad, who had participated in the fight for Tal Abyad.

[…]

The Farouq Brigades emerged from the central city of Homs and nearby Rastan just months into the now 18-month Syrian uprising. In the period since, operating under the FSA umbrella, they have formed units across the country, from Daraa in the south near the Jordanian border to the northern region bordering Turkey. According to some of their leaders, they comprise a force of 20,000 fighters. The brigades take the name Farouq from Omar bin al-Khatab, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, political architect of the caliphate and, historically, the second Caliph.

The brigades are both a source of envy and pride among the rebels. Dressed in their matching military fatigues emblazoned with the brigade’s black insignia, they look like a professional fighting force, unlike the many hodgepodge groups in their mismatched items of military and civilian clothing. The Farouq’s slick media operation ensures that their exploits are widely known. Their videos are quickly uploaded onto YouTube, along with the group’s statements. Most importantly, their support — both in terms of money and weapons — is strong and consistent.

As the Syrian uprising grinds on, rivalries between the disparate rebel groups have come more sharply into focus. There has always been competition for weapons, money and influence, but now they seem to be angling to take each other on — even before their common enemy of President Basharal-Assad falls. The potential for warlordism is great, and worrisome.

The Free Syrian Army was never more than an umbrella term that provided political cover for the loose franchise of defectors and armed civilians fighting Assad’s regime. It meant the difference between being perceived as part of a rebel army or a group of independent militias. New groups, or kataeb, continue to proliferate even amid efforts to unite the existing ones. Some of these kataeb consist of just 10 people. A large number of kataeb are also unaffiliated with the FSA, particularly those that exhibit varying shades of Islamist hues.

[…]

As he spoke, within the span of 10 minutes, three Syrian regime shells landed less than 50 meters away from where we sat, in the semi-destroyed main building at the crossing, kicking up thick plumes of grayish-black smoke. The first and second floors of the building have partially collapsed, pancaked atop a ground floor office that now functions as the Farouq’s headquarters. The shelling was coming from the nearest regime outpost, “it’s 17,850 meters away to be exact,” Abu Azzam said.

The Farouq also faces opposition from rebels at Bab al-Hawa. It has already disposed of one of its rivals there, a Syrian Islamist extremist called Abu Mohamad al-Absi, who led a group of foreign jihadis who at one point controlled one of Bab al-Hawa’s two gates. Absi was kidnapped and killed in early September. The Jihadis are still waiting for the Farouq to hand over the 16 men who were reportedly involved in Absi’s murder.

“They can wait,” Abu Azzam says. “The man made many mistakes. He raised the al-Qaeda flag and Al-Qaeda is not welcomed by us in the country. … We do not want to raise our weapons against anyone who is also fighting theregime, but when these people forget about fighting the regime and start preparing armed groups with a view to what comes after the regime, this is unacceptable. If these people want to raise their weapons against us, we have the right to defend ourselves.” The Jihadis have now retreated to a small pocket inside the Bab al-Hawa outpost.

But the Farouq also faces some opposition from more secular forces, like General Mithqal al-Bateesh, a defector from Rastan who last week announced the creation of a joint command of all revolutionary military councils inside Syria. Bateesh, who holds court in a school in the Syrian village of Atme just across the Turkish border not far from Bab al-Hawa, says the crossing should be under civilian control and have a token military presence for security. “This is a transitional period. We want to bring interior security forces, police. We can’t have civilians there now because it’s still unsafe, still under threat from the regime, but once civilians take control, there will be no Farouq or anyone else,” he said. Bateesh said he was talking to the Farouq about it ceding control.

Abu Azzam, a burly man with a disarming smile and a neat Salafi-style black beard, smirked when he was asked about the general’s request. “When somebody other than the Farouq liberates an area, then he can make such a request,” he said. “The military councils, whether Colonel Mithqal or anyone else, with all due respect, we would respect them more if they picked up a gun and joined the fight with us. … If he or anyone else like him came here and told me that I must hand over the position that I liberated, I will ask him ‘by what right?’ We are the ones who spilt our blood here, who are sleeping under artillery bombardments.”

http://world.time.com/2012/10/05/syrias-up-and-coming-rebels-who-are-the-farouq-brigades-2/#ixzz28WPAcwJg

October 6th, 2012, 8:36 am

 

zoo said:

#392 Tara

There is no report on the target of these Turkish retaliatory mortar attacks. No human casualties? No equipment destroyed?
Are they just shooting birds in the buffer zone? or just showing off to calm their wounded ego and the public opinion?

October 6th, 2012, 8:45 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo

It appears to be a public statement to a local audience. What happen to the Ottoman pride? It appears that nothing louder than the sound of the $.

Your statement that the strong condemnation by the UNSC is a psychological victory to Syria was a stretch.

October 6th, 2012, 9:09 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Being against the armed struggle is no excuse to be against the revolution, the civil aspect is still striving and growing. Why don’t the supposed anti-destruction people help and support the civil aspect?

The armed conflict is a reality that can’t be ignored, but ignoring the civil aspect and disregarding it will only lead to more extremism on both sides. The civil aspect is just as important for the future of Syria as the armed one, and thankfully Syrians in Syria still recognize that importance.

Syrian activists reach across sectarian divide

While the Syrian conflict has been characterised by fighting between the Sunni majority and ruling Alawite minority, it has also given birth to some movements which aim to bridge the sectarian divide, as Samer Mohajer and Ellie Violet Bramley report from Beirut.

Nabeel, a 24-year-old Alawite doctor from Homs, describes how he and other Syrian activists first decided to start campaigning against the regime of Bashar al-Assad in the summer of 2011.

“A bunch of us were having coffee in Homs,” he said. “We wanted to have some influence on our revolution, so we tried to do something to express ourselves, to express our opinions.”

The result was the creation of the Nabd (or Pulse) Gathering for Syrian Civil Youth – one of the many cross-sectarian movements that have emerged from Syria’s 18-month-long revolt.

They are designed to campaign against the regime, but also to promote unity among Syria’s religious sects in the face of the increasing role of foreign and jihadi fighters and the characterisation of the struggle along sectarian lines.

“We started our work in Homs, addressing the dangerous subject of sectarianism,” explained Nabeel. “We organised some protests involving guys and girls from all sects, distributed flyers and put posters up. We campaigned against violence and distributed flowers.”

Next came a sit-in, in the Khaldiyeh neighbourhood of Homs attacked by security forces, and a week of national unity.

Quickly, “things escalated until we had cells in every city – Damascus, Salamiyah [an Ismaili Muslim town], and Latakia [an Alawite centre],” said Nabeel.

[…]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19827564

October 6th, 2012, 9:58 am

 

Syrialover said:

This forum has become clogged like a drainpipe with closet shabeeha sitting on the fence whilst pointing the finger at the victims.

October 6th, 2012, 10:03 am

 

Son of Damascus said:

Syrialover,

You would think after one year and eight months of sitting on the fence their butts would start to hurt… Or are they buttless just as they are spineless?

October 6th, 2012, 10:09 am

 

zoo said:

397. Tara

The pillars of Turkey are first the brainwashed nationalism implemented by Mustafa Kemal to “unite” different ethnicity and religions and secondly the economical growth that allow to sustain that ‘unity’.

Therefore Turkey will shout a lot with noise to maintain the national dignity but will not do much for fear of hampering the economical growth that may cause cracks in the ‘unity’.

October 6th, 2012, 10:12 am

 

Observer said:

Those that think on this blog that the regime will prevail must be in lala land.

Prevail and return to the status ante is impossible. The regime is actually acting exactly like the slavers when their slaves rebelled: total destruction and a forced return to slavery.

As for those that actually criticize Turkey; in reality the latest decision to respond to Syrian shelling is actually an example of the rule of law that Syrians are fighting for:

The constitution prohibits the army from acting without a vote in parliament. The vote was given but it was not a rubber stamp parliament. Opposition to the decision was present and loud and clear among the deputies and among the people. At least the polls were conducted fairly and openly; not the 99% rubber stamp we have seen in despotistans.

People forgot that the Turkish parliament voted to deny the US invasion route into Iraq in 2003.

If the rebels receive air defense missiles, the air force will be out. Next, will be how to respond to long range shelling. Artillery needs supplies and if the routes and towns are lost, it is a matter of time before they run out of shells.

Finally, I do believe that the conflict is going to be used to bloody and perhaps destroy the regime in Iran or change it into a more pragmatic faction that can accomodate the new reality.

Notice that talk of the nuclear program has declined significantly, lest the regime uses it to rally the troops.

Today, starting with Sana Press and Alalam and Manar and Mayadeen i do not read any good news for the regime.

October 6th, 2012, 10:39 am

 

Syrialover said:

SON OF DAMASCUS #401

The closet shabeeha here are definitely spineless, as Maysaloon described it (#345):

“I found that discussing Syria with them was always like pinning jelly to a wall”

And they would all have some form of investment in the Assad regime but won’t admit it, even while writing anonymously.

October 6th, 2012, 10:52 am

 

Mina said:

SL
The only people you can fool are those with no friends in Syria.
I know a girl who has recently moved from home, 30 minutes south of Homs, because the fighting has got much worse there since 3 weeks.
She has no “investment with the regime”, rather the contrary, she wanted to move from the adab department to philosophy one for her masters and they didn’t let her, so for years she has been working as an “independent” and publishing here and there. Nevertheless, she is scared of the extremists since the beginning and was shoked by the lies and brainwashing coming from aljazeera since the beginning of the conflict.

It is not a question of being with or against the regimeS. It is to openly call for cease-fire, seat at negociations table, and start working at the root causes that have led Syria in 18 months to become a new Somal and Iraq.

October 6th, 2012, 11:00 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALBO,

Forget rewriting the history if the world and re-imaging humanity, the real and only issue is this:

Syrians had NO CHOICE in this crisis erupting, escalating and reaching its current conflagration.

All choices have been made for them by the Assad regime, as explained with great clarity in #106.

What has happened to Syrians is no different to what happened to the people of Poland, France or Greece when Germany attacked and occupied their countries in WWII (except in Syria the attack is even more random, savage and destructive).

October 6th, 2012, 11:10 am

 

Aldendeshe said:

It is so boring to keep having to come here to scroll over “Know nothing ” ALCIADA kid strategists. They watched too many happy ending movies, and as long as the opponent is scripted, or have no choice but to follow the script, they end up watching the happy ending. But not in Syria, Assad has own script to follow and they are at loss what to do now. Assad can muster a million man if needed, the brainless Islamic genocidal could not even gain the support of any civilian quarter in any Syrian city. Try assembling a million man army. This whole campaign has a brand; it is not Desert Storm or the tacky ones Americans label their wars with like Nintendo and Xbox games to appeal to like minded.

It is called: RAW DISTRUCTION OF SYRIA. Plain and simple, the MB is willfully doing it for profit. Chase the missing millions, and you will get to the real goal of MB.

October 6th, 2012, 11:24 am

 

Syrialover said:

MINA #405,

I am not trying to “fool” anybody. That girl you mention like all Syrians that I know has had no choice in what has happened in Syria.

The fact of extremists out there now prowling the countryside is Assad’s gift to the Syrian people. He created the conditions for them to emerge and the regime then failed to protect Syrians – instead he has thrown all his energies and Syria’s resources into attacking Syrians himself.

And incidentally, your friend sounds well educated enough to have been shocked by the lies and brainwashing coming out of the regime since the start of the conflict. Was she?

In any case, you are twisting and confusing the issue. The people I pointed to having an investment in the Assad regime are those “closet shabeeha” posting here, so accurately pinned by Maysaloon in #345.

October 6th, 2012, 11:27 am

 

Syrialover said:

MINA #405, if you are in any way sincere with your call for all involved to sit at the negotiation table “and start working at the root causes that have led Syria in 18 months to become a new Somal and Iraq”, here’s a request.

Please read #106 and tell us how to start working on those root causes, which have been outlined there.

I think I am not alone here in knowing the problems of those root causes and being thirsty for solutions.

October 6th, 2012, 11:38 am

 

Hassan said:

Today the wicked Zionist enabler Mohammed Morsi, the usurper of Egypt, took the salute of the Egyptian Army and reviewed Egyptian Army parade in the 6 October victory celebrations.

I was wishing that some real Arab Nationalist and Nasserist soldiers and officers assassinated him during the parade, in the same way that Sadat was killed.

A Thousand Deaths to the Muslim Brotherhood, A Thousand Deaths to the Criminal Brotherhood, a Thousand Deaths to the Agent Brotherhood.

October 6th, 2012, 11:44 am

 

Tara said:

The FSA threatened to execute the Iranian hostages on Saturday. Any update? The FSA should refrain from empty threats as it will affect future potential negotiation.

October 6th, 2012, 12:08 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SON OF DAMASCUS #399

A voice of sanity raising those issues – what I crave here.

Several times I have invited this forum to comment on what should be done to support the civil aspects of Syria.

But constructive thinking is of zero interest to those putting mega effort into dominating this forum. Those fence sitting closet shabeeha.

By the way, with regard to your amusing remark that their butts must be sore after fence sitting for 20 months, I say remember how deep and comfortable the cushions on their safe armchairs are.

October 6th, 2012, 12:21 pm

 

Mina said:

Among the root factors IS religious sectarianism and the status of women. When the FSA will denounce al-Ar’ur and his bailers, people will trust them.
How can the army “al-nizami” sit at a table when people are being slaughtered by “Afghans”?
As for educated people not buying the propaganda, very well. Of course the so-called panarabism etc should be dropped, but I suspect that this message has reached the “regime”. The problem is that ultra Sunnis are recuperating these kinds of slogans every day, twisting it into their own version of Sunni Arabism.

October 6th, 2012, 12:44 pm

 

ann said:

Free Syrian Army Fighters Killed on Lebanon’s border – 06/10/2012

http://en.rian.ru/world/20121006/176448735.html

Dozens of fighters of Free Syrian Army (FSA) have been killed in a large-scale operation of government forces in Homs province, near the border with Lebanon, Lebanon-based Al-Mayadeen TV reported on Saturday.

A base of one of the armed groups near a village of al-Qusayr was destroyed. 40 rebels including the leader of the group were killed.

Government forces and armed opposition waged battles in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo. The battle for the bridge in Sahour neighborhood lasts for the second day. This bridge is of great strategic importance to both sides as control over it allows rebels to communicate with the province, where they get reinforcements, weapons and ammunition and for the government forces it provides access to the eastern districts of Aleppo that are controlled by the rebels.

Several militants, four of them Turkish citizens, were killed on Saturday in the other district of Aleppo, Bustan al-Qasr, Syrian news agency SANA reported. Government forces repelled the attack of armed militants who “supposedly came from Turkey” in the north of Aleppo, said in the statement.

[…]

http://en.rian.ru/world/20121006/176448735.html

October 6th, 2012, 12:54 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Yesterday I saw an update about Buthaina Shaaban’s alleged involvement in terrorist plots targeting Lebanon. I didn’t share. There was a link to an arabic site.

Here is an update from today:

RanaKabbani54
#ButhainaShaaban is a scary sectarian + propagandist 4 #Assad. Now info surfacing that she may be a mastermind of his terror in #Lebanon 2!

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/ranakabbani54-buthainashaaban-is-a-scary-sectarian-propagandist/

October 6th, 2012, 12:54 pm

 

Ghufran said:

أكد وزير الدفاع السوري فهد جاسم الفريج أن بلاده ستنتصر قريبا على “الحرب الكونية” التي تخوضها، معتبرا أن “موعد النصر قريب”، واعتبر ان بلاده “تتعرض لحرب شبه كونية لأنها ترفض التخلي عن مقومات السيادة والكرامة وتتمسك بحقوقها واثقة من قدراتها على إسقاط المؤامرة والمتآمرين”.
Reportedly, Fraij told his commandors that if they revive fire from a building they have permission to destroy the whole building. Syrian lives mean very little to fighting parties.

October 6th, 2012, 12:54 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

409. HASSAN

“the wicked Zionist enabler Mohammed Morsi”

Some of you on SC are raving lunatics. You see Jews under every bed.

October 6th, 2012, 12:59 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

‘Mind your own business’

One helplessly suffers from a ‘romantic emotional crisis’ over the tragic suffering of the syrian people. One is not the only one.

October 6th, 2012, 1:05 pm

 

Ghufran said:

طلاس أعلن أنه: “وبعد مرور ما يقارب السنتين على إنطلاق ثورتنا المبارك، وبعد كل ما أبرزته المستجدات السياسية، والعسكرية من قيادات، ومجالس، وكتائب، وألوية، وإنطلاقا من مبدأ المسؤولية امام الله، ثم الوطن، فإننا نعلن عن توحيد الألوية، والكتائب المقاتلة تحت راية الفيلق الأول وهم: لواء درع جنوب حلب بقيادة العقيد محمد جميل، كتيبة الله، وأكبر العاملة في البوكمال بقيادة المجاهد خزعل الرحال، كتيبة أحرار البوكمال بقيادة المجاهد محمد رجب، كتيبة أحفاد علي في دير الزور بقيادة محمود طلاس، كتيبة بني امية في الرقة، وعدد من الكتائب الأخرى”.
الإعلان عن تأسيس الفيلق الأول جاء مفاجئاً على مختلف الصعد، فالمعلن عنه ضابط برتبة ملازم اول في حين أنه وفقا لكلام طلاس فإن هناك من هو أعلى منه على صعيد الرتب العسكرية، ثم أن إعلان ولادة الفيلق جاء في وقت تبد فيه الخلافات بين قيادات ” الجيش الحر”، والجيش الوطني السوري، والمجالس العسكرية في الداخل.
مصادر “الجيش الحر” أكدت “ان قيادة “الجيش الحر” لم تكن على علم بخطوة تشكيل الفيلق الأول، وكان اجدى بطلاس وضع القيادة في اجواء ما يتم التحضير له بدل إتخاذ خطوات منفردة من شأنها التأثير سلبا على معنويات المقاتلين في المستقبل القريب، لأن هذه الخطوة التي يعتقد طلاس ومن وراءه انها ستساهم في توحيد المقاتلين، ستزيد الإنقسام إنقساما”.

October 6th, 2012, 1:06 pm

 

ann said:

Russian Drafted UNSC Statement on Aleppo Agreed After 2 Extensions

By Matthew Russell Lee

UNITED NATIONS, October 5, original 11:50 am, update 12:06 pm — After agreeing to the UN Security Council’s press statement Thursday on Akcakale in Turkey, Russian Permanent Representative Vitaly Churkin told the press that his draft statement on the terrorist attack in Aleppo was “under silence” until 10 a.m. on Friday.

This meant if no member broke or extended silence, it would be adopted.

But at 10 a.m., there was no UN Television camera at the Security Council stakeout. Inner City Press has learned that silence was, in face, “extended twice.” But then it was agreed, to be read out at noon:

Security Council Press Statement on terrorist attacks in Aleppo

The members of the Security Council condemned in the strongest terms the terrorist attacks in Aleppo, Syria on 3 October, causing dozens of deaths and over one hundred civilians injured, responsibility for which was claimed by the Jebhat al-Nusra group affiliated with Al-Qaeda. They expressed their deep sympathy and sincere condolences to the families of the victims of these heinous acts and to the people of Syria.

The members of the Security Council reaffirmed that terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security, and that any acts of terrorism are criminal and unjustifiable, regardless of their motivation, wherever, whenever and by whomsoever committed.

The members of the Security Council reiterated their determination to combat all forms of terrorism, in accordance with its responsibilities under the Charter of the United Nations.

The members of the Security Council reminded States that they must ensure that measures taken to combat terrorism comply with all their obligations under international law, in particular international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law.

Yesterday we asked, what changed in the 22 hours between the silence procedure being broken by Russia and the statement’s read-out by Council President Gert Rosenthal on Thursday evening? A reference to “international peace and security” was removed, and nine words added: “The members of the Security Council called for restraint.”

[…]

http://www.innercitypress.com/aleppo1sc100512.html

October 6th, 2012, 1:06 pm

 

Antoine said:

TARA, I must tell you that you SHOULD NOT say any negative things about the FSA publicly, especially not when menheabks can read it, like on this forum. Many of your comments reveal a bit of naivete about this conflict. This is a War where normal human acitivties are subject to the conditions of War. Revolution is not a dinner party. You should not even question decisions of the FSA.

You can question or criticize extremist groups like Jabhat al nusra etc. but NOT the FSA. You can criticize individual soldiers and offciers in the FSA, but NOT the FSA decisions, especially when it comes to highly successful FSA units who are operating in Eatsern Ghouta, Homs, Aleppo countryside, Idleb, Raqqa, etc. I think you will not be able to understand what I’m trying to convey in this comment, because you are not trained to think in a War situation.

Basically what Im trying to say is, in all countries of the wprld, there are laws which prevent ordinary citizens from openly discussing or criticizing anything about the National Army. It is the same wioth the FSA, you and me, as anti-regime civilans, are not entitled to discuss anything and everything about the FSA, it reveals a naivete. There are some red-lines when it comes to FSA and other anti-regime forces, which should not be crossed.

Basically I’m telling the civilian components of the revolution, especially the activists, that for the moment, they should defer and be subservient to the military component, because we are in an imposed War. Even in Britian in the World War, civilian activities were restricted by the Army. It does not look good when we have supposedly pro-revolution civilian activists being careless when dealing or discussing about FSA in public.

October 6th, 2012, 1:19 pm

 

Tara said:

I really like Erdogan.  I wish I can offer him some of my health-related advice.

Prepare for war if you want to have peace, says Turkish PM
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/prepare-for-war-if-you-want-to-have-peace-says-turkish-pm.aspx?PageID=238&NID=31752&NewsCatID=338

Turkey should be prepared for war if it wants to have peace, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said today during a speech in Istanbul.

“We are not war-lovers, but we are not far from war either,” Erdoğan said. “The saying goes: ‘prepare for war if you wish for peace.’ So, war becomes the key for peace.”

“They ask whether their kids will go to war? If need be, we, including myself, will all go all the way there,” Erdoğan said.

“What peace?” Erdoğan shouted. “What peace?”

Regarding the vacation Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had previously taken in Bodrum on Erdoğan’s personal invitation, and the close relationship that used to exist between the two, Erdoğan said there was nothing strange about it.

“If we are at peace, I will host leaders,” Erdoğan said.

October 6th, 2012, 1:19 pm

 

ann said:

SAA counter-terrorism operation in Damascus countryside – 6 hours ago

WARNING: SHEESH KABOB!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db0_1349520347

October 6th, 2012, 1:24 pm

 

Tara said:

Antoine,

Now seriously, No naivety about it. There should not be any sacred entity in a real democracy. What is the point of the revolution if we replace one autocracy with other? The military institution should always be answering for a civil entity in peace time and in war time, my opinion.

October 6th, 2012, 1:26 pm

 

zoo said:

Buffer zone to no-fly zone? Will Turkey implement it alone?

Syria agrees to buffer zone along Turkish border, say reports

Turkish media says deal struck in wake of this week’s deadly border shelling incident which killed five Turkish civilians

Martin Chulov in Beirut
The Guardian, Saturday 6 October 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/05/syria-agrees-buffer-zone-turkish-border-reports

Opposition groups have implored Turkey and the international community to establish an area in which they can move without fear of jets and helicopters, claiming it would be a significant step in their 19-month battle to oust the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

However, the demands have been rejected by Ankara, as well as the US and Nato, who have all repeatedly balked at suggestions that they intervene directly in the conflict. A buffer zone would not be effective unless it was enforced militarily, something that Turkey has so far been unwilling to do.

October 6th, 2012, 1:26 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

420 ANTOINE

“You SHOULD NOT say negative things about the FSA publicly, especially not when menheabks can read it, like on this forum. This is a War where normal human activities are subject to the conditions of War. Revolution is not a dinner party. You should not even question decisions of the FSA.”

Screw you, Antoine

October 6th, 2012, 1:28 pm

 

Antoine said:

Now for some hot action –

Assadist terrorist helicopter downed by ZSU-23 anti-aircraft guns in Eastern Ghouta –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzOqnfetecU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlfdn8_9SWc&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdItymwxjjo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MBcZo5azsY&feature=player_embedded

This is the remains of the terrorsit Assadist, Baathist pilot(s), ( EXTREMELY GRAPHIC but enjoyable if you really hate these Jab*li Baathists like me) –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zohSxLmA2TY&feature=plcp

Notice how in the above video, the belts that strap the pilot to his seat are clearly visible on his dead body.

October 6th, 2012, 1:29 pm

 

Albo said:

“As for educated people not buying the propaganda, very well. Of course the so-called panarabism etc should be dropped, but I suspect that this message has reached the “regime”. The problem is that ultra Sunnis are recuperating these kinds of slogans every day, twisting it into their own version of Sunni Arabism.”

Mina, I’d say the forum is very sectarian, and I’m using the usual english sense of the word here, that is there is very little nuance, readiness to listen to other opinions, and a “you’re with us or against us” pervasive mentality (or “you’re on the regime payroll” style of comment, where is that we get to be paid ?LOL) . Of course we can still talk as long as people are welll behaved people, unlike some other who are inbred yokels.

October 6th, 2012, 1:34 pm

 

ann said:

Syria – FSA Furqam Brigade dead terrorists – Oct-6-2012

Furqam Brigade dead Terrorists after clashes with SAA

WARNING: SNACKBAR!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=748_1349508193

October 6th, 2012, 1:34 pm

 

Antoine said:

TARA, the Military institution should answer to democratically elected and representative institutions like a Parliament, not to random people popping random questions on the internet.

Sorry to be blunt, but you should not say silly random things about FSA, or even about Turkey’s foreign policy. Yesterday you asked a silly question about what the Turks were hitting with their Artillery, such questions are naive. But just to inform you, I have it from well-informed sources that the Turks targetted some Assadist checkposts and barracks 5 to 6 kms from the border, that were having Artillery and Mortars fire on FSA held areas, they attacked fortified Assadist positions as well, a few Tanks and BMPs were even destroyed. Last night the Turks shelled some Assadist positions in Khirbet al Joz (Idleb) and in Lattakia mountains, and today FSA were able to make gains and advances in both areas. You can search this info on the internet. The Turks have extremely accurate and precision-guided weapons, unlike Assadist forces.

As I said, leave the military issues to military men.

Sorry to be blunt, I do not wish to be rude at all with any pro-revolution person.

October 6th, 2012, 1:36 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Not long ago there were stories of scarcity of chicken in Iran.
In recent days the Syrian Minister of Agriculture went as far as to advise Syrians to rear backyard chickens.

Now it seems even salad is a luxury.

Salad Becomes Syrian Luxury as Prices Surge in Wartime Economy

October 04, 2012

Syrian concierge Jameel Abdul-Razzak says he can no longer afford to buy cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce for the daily salad his family is used to.

The price of some vegetables in Damascus has jumped fivefold since the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad began in March last year, according to official figures. Busing workers to the fields and transporting the produce to market has become risky and expensive.

Read more:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-04/salad-becomes-syrian-luxury-as-prices-surge-in-wartime-economy

October 6th, 2012, 1:39 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo@424

See Tara @342.

Are you skipping my posts? You are hurting my feelings.

October 6th, 2012, 1:40 pm

 

Antoine said:

I watch this video again and again,

This is the remains of the terrorist Assadist, Baathist pilot whose chopper was downed in Reef Dimashq- Eastern Ghouta, ( EXTREMELY GRAPHIC but enjoyable if you really hate these Jab*li Baathists like me) –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zohSxLmA2TY&feature=plcp

Notice how in the above video, the belts that strap the pilot to his seat are clearly visible on his dead body.

October 6th, 2012, 1:40 pm

 

Syrialover said:

MINA #413.

Disappointing to see how superglue firmly your thinking is stuck on a closed loop.

The Assad regime’s nature and actions don’t rate as root causes of the current nightmare crisis in Syria?

It’s more down to the treatment of women and people being from various religions, you say. Right. Yes, I see.

Your small knotted agenda and negativity on everything Middle Eastern and everything Islamic is exhausting!!!!

October 6th, 2012, 1:41 pm

 

Antoine said:

Did you read my latest comment at you TARA ? Btw Military institution (FSA) should definitely answer to civilian instituion in peacetime – but in Wartime, some restrictions have to be imposed in the greater interest.

Of course there should be checks and balances to ensire that these privileges are not abused by the Military – Turkey and Israel are two fine examples of this model. In many liberated areas of Syria too, this model is being tried out.

October 6th, 2012, 1:45 pm

 

ann said:

Syria Ready to Smoke Turkey with Nerve Gas Sarin Tabun and VX – Oct-4-2012

Syria has anticipated a possible NATO attack initiated by the false flag attack on Turkey by moving 30,000 troops to the North this week and preparing its chemical weapons for striking Turkey and NATO bases.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=119_1349358415

October 6th, 2012, 1:49 pm

 

Antoine said:

FSA units captured an important Air Defence base in Rif Dimashq yesterday, and captured scores of AA missiles and replenished much of their arms abd ammunition.

The first moments after the FSA are captured the base – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miHEfZ3GPls&feature=player_embedded

FSA soldiers in Air Defence base outside Damascus which was captured yesterday, SA-3 and SA-6 missiles are visible in the background,

October 6th, 2012, 1:54 pm

 
 

Citizen said:

Turkey Effectively Declares War Against Syria

Turkey has started preparations for a war on its own. The country’s parliament has granted the government a year’s mandate for carrying out trans-border military operations.

“This is not just militant rhetoric but an order to the armed forces, in case of an emergency, to cross the border and carry out military activities on Syrian territory. What is this if not a war?”

Azhdar Kurtov, expert of the Institute of Strategic Estimates comments:

“Declarations made by the Turkish leadership speak for themselves. This is not just militant rhetoric but an order to the armed forces, in case of an emergency, to cross the border and carry out military activities on Syrian territory. What is this if not a war? Though, certainly, Turkish commanders and politicians will think twice before starting an invasion. In my opinion, they will carry out a massive probing, just like towards another neighbouring country, Iraq. The Turkish armed forces supported by their air force are quite capable of carrying out local hostilities on Syrian territory.”
http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/turkey-effectively-declares-war-against-syria/
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Western Propagandists Attempt to Trigger Catastrophic Turkish-Syrian War
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/western-propagandists-attempt-to.html
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Turkey: Thousands Protest in Istanbul against War on Syria
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/10/06/turkey-thousands-protest-in-istanbul-against-war-on-syria/
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Turkey Deploys Tanks, Missiles To Syrian Border
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2012/10/06/turkey-thousands-protest-in-istanbul-against-war-on-syria/
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Erdogan do not indulge

October 6th, 2012, 1:56 pm

 

Tara said:

Antoine

Sorry if you do not like my questions but I simply disagree with you. There should not be any restriction to accountability peacetime and war time.

October 6th, 2012, 1:58 pm

 

Antoine said:

Notice how in the above video, regular Army troops in regular Army faitigues were captured at the base, what was the regular Army doing in an Air Defence base ( which is a separate institution) ?

Answer – For using as a military base and shooting mortars at civilian areas.

October 6th, 2012, 1:58 pm

 

Badr said:

Can the Syrian armed conflict remain internal?

Turkey and Syria: Why neither side wants war
By Fawaz A. Gerges

October 6th, 2012, 2:00 pm

 

ann said:

What Was Austin Tice Thinking in Syria – Oct-4-2012

In depth analysis of the American Journalist, Austin Tice, recent kidnap video in Syria.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c3b_1349350554

October 6th, 2012, 2:07 pm

 

Albo said:

French Anti-Terror Raids Leave Extremist Suspect Dead

French special forces shot and killed suspect Islamist extremist Oct. 6 in an exchange of gunfire during a dawn raid in the eastern city of Strasbourg. The action was as part of a daybreak series of sweeps targeting alleged Salafist radicals, and followed an investigation into the Sept. 19 grenade attack of a Kosher grocery store in a Paris suburb that occurred amid international outrage among Muslim fundamentalists to a mocking film and French caricatures they called blasphemous to Islam.

http://world.time.com/2012/10/06/french-anti-terror-raids-leave-extremist-suspect-dead/

France prefers to outsource this work to the SAA these times, dozens of French islamists are in Syria and with a short life expectancy, if some Syrians are hurt then even better they must think.

October 6th, 2012, 2:11 pm

 

ann said:

Syrian Currencies since 1919 ( Click on the picture for zooming )

http://www.banquecentrale.gov.sy/currency/old-currency-eg.htm

October 6th, 2012, 2:12 pm

 

ann said:

Please Help Identify this Dead African Jihadist in Syria

Jihadist terrorists in Syria are imploring the internet community to identify this black African jihadist in order to send his body back home. This one the many problems that terrorists in Syria are facing. With the influx of Jihadist from all over the globe no one knows who’s who.

Try to imagine him with his eyes in his socket, that will help

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c04_1349030631

October 6th, 2012, 2:23 pm

 

Mina said:

SL
You are denying the very obvious: why do part of the Christians and part of the educated and part of the elite stayed in Syria all these years (instead of emigrating en masse, like Copts or Christian Palestinians, or Iranian elite, for ex.), if not because of the special status achieved for women within a more or less traditionalist conservative society? It is part of the equation.

One single question: do you agree that if Ataturk launched his movement today in Turkey, he would be put in jail by Erdogan? (wasn’t he even suspected of being a freemason?)

October 6th, 2012, 2:28 pm

 

Mina said:

Uzair, 430
You have to face it, chicken is not a problem only in Syria, but in Iran and KSA as well. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19844291

October 6th, 2012, 2:30 pm

 

Citizen said:

Thousands Protest for Peace After Turkey Declares War on Syria
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/thousands-protest-for-peace-after.html

October 6th, 2012, 2:31 pm

 

Visitor said:

Antoine 420,

Well said!

It has always been my firm conviction that you cannot debate with an assadist apologist here or any where else. The best you can do is to force him/her to shut up in any way you can.

—————————–

Battles are raging throughout Syria with advances made only by the heroic, valiant and victorious Free Syrian Army. So much for predictions made by the delusional assadist thugs about end of game hasbarism,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/d88cf6d4-f9ff-4ead-861d-75b574e7850c?GoogleStatID=1

The Assadist thugs are mostly doing the retreat while the courageous true Army of Syria, the FSA, is doing the advances.

Latakia is now getting closer to being liberated followed by all of the west coast soon.

Looking forward to visit the coast in the near future.

October 6th, 2012, 2:34 pm

 

Mina said:

October 6th celebration in the Middle East:
Assad was seen in Damascus
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/54935/World/Region/Assad-lays-wreath-at-Damascus-ceremony.aspx

while in Egypt the MB “supreme guide” (ring quite like Khomeini, no?) lectured “his” people http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/54926/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-faith-behind–briliant-victory-Brotherhood-.aspx

October 6th, 2012, 2:38 pm

 

Albo said:

Visitor, Antoine can’t make anyone shut up, the best he can do is eat poo and fark off.

October 6th, 2012, 2:47 pm

 

ann said:

Syria Clash Spills Into Markets as Yields Surge: Turkey Credit – Oct 5, 2012

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-05/syria-clash-spills-into-markets-as-yields-surge-turkey-credit.html

Bond investors are taking fright after fighting in Syria spilled over the border into Turkey, sending yields up by the most in two months as the government in Ankara retaliated against shelling that claimed five lives.

Yields on Turkey’s benchmark two-year notes rose as much as 18 basis points yesterday, paring the biggest drop in emerging markets this year. The lira weakened the most in two months after Turkey responded to the attack by bombarding of Syrian targets. The gap between Turkish dollar bond yields and the higher emerging-market average narrowed and the cost to insure Turkish debt against default increased.

“The risk premium is increasing in the wake of these hostilities and it could increase further,” Guillaume Tresca, an emerging-market strategist at Credit Agricole Corporate & Investment Bank, said in e-mailed comments from Paris yesterday.

An escalation in tensions may lead investors to sell lira- denominated assets, Suha Yaygin, a director at Toronto-Dominion Bank (TD) in London, said in e-mailed comments yesterday. People will “watch the news very carefully,” he said.

[…]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-05/syria-clash-spills-into-markets-as-yields-surge-turkey-credit.html

October 6th, 2012, 2:54 pm

 

Visitor said:

“451. ALBO said:

Visitor, Antoine can’t make anyone shut up.”

AGREE.

You cannot stop K9’s from barking.

But K9’s too cannot stop caravans from marching.

October 6th, 2012, 2:57 pm

 

ann said:

Syria in The Crosshairs – Oct 6, 2012

Alex runs down the latest on efforts by the United States, NATO and the European Union to kick-start Syrian intervention under the pretense of protecting Turkey, establish a no-fly zone and work with CIA mercenaries and al-Qaeda to overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad

http://www.infowars.com/syria-in-the-crosshairs/

October 6th, 2012, 3:00 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I just want to thank the FSA military strategist on this board, due to my age and my diet it is not always easy to have a BM (excuse my language) ,and that is when his comments come handy, can I call this guy BME (bowel movement enhancer)?
On a more serious note,it looks like more Syrian soldiers died since March,2011 than in October 1973 war.

October 6th, 2012, 3:01 pm

 
 

Ghufran said:

تحدثت مصادر سياسية تركية عن مايسمى بــ “الجيش الحر” أن منظمة مجاهدي خلق طلبت رسميا الانضمام إلى صفوف الجيش مُرجحة قبول الطلب.
وقال المستشار السياسي لـما يسمى بــ”الجيش الحر” بسام الدادة لوكالة الأنباء التركية “الأناضول”: “إن قيادات كتائب “الجيش الحر” تدرس حاليا مع قيادات الجيش طلب المنظمة”، مشيرًا إلى وجود اتجاه للموافقة “للاستفادة من خبراتهم القتالية” حسب المصدر.
The FSA is becoming a magnet for terrorists from all over the world , too much for a home grown resistance movement.

October 6th, 2012, 3:07 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I copied part of the above article linked by hammoudeh, I think it is important:

“The attacks also have prompted debate inside the armed opposition about a bombing campaign against Syrian military targets that has been intensifying in recent months. “Any operation that hurts someone who’s innocent, we are against it completely,” says Ismail Mattar, a spokesman for the Ahfad al-Rasul brigade in Damascus, which has claimed responsibility for many of the high-profile bombings that have taken place in the capital of late. … Bombing attacks should be carefully targeted to hit only regime members, says Mattar, the Ahfad al-Rasul brigade spokesman. The brigade claims to get its bombs inside targeted sites with help from the inside, thereby limiting the unintended damage. Mattar also said suicide bombers should have no place in the rebel fight. “When we do an operation, we don’t get any civilians killed. We use defectors who are still working with the government and plant bombs on the inside,” he says. “You can’t blow up a car outside the building. Something like this should be done from the inside to avoid civilian casualties. If there’s a threat to civilian life, it should be called off completely.” “It’s not possible for someone who wants to protect civilians to kill civilians, too,”

October 6th, 2012, 3:19 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

455. Ghufran

“I want to thank the FSA military strategist on this board”

You’re referring to Antoine the Baton, yes?

October 6th, 2012, 3:20 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The Israeli air force has shot down a drone after it entered the south of the country, the military has confirmed.
Troops are searching for the remains of the unmanned aircraft after it was intercepted and brought down over the Negev desert on Saturday morning.
It was not clear where it came from although local reports suggested that it did not depart from the Gaza Strip.
The drone was spotted above the Mediterranean Sea in the area of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip to the west of Israel, said a military spokeswoman, Avital Leibovich.
( Iran, and possibly Syria, makes those drones without any outside help, they are a step behind Israeli drones but they are cheap to make and can carry weapons)

October 6th, 2012, 3:35 pm

 

Ghufran said:

كشفت صحيفة يورت التركية عن ان القاذفة التي تم استخدامها لاطلاق قذيفة الهاون على بلدة اكتشاكالا تستخدم فقط من قبل دول حلف الناتو، وان حكومة اردوغان هي من أرسلت مدفع الهاون والقذائف لعناصر ما يسمى “الجيش الحر”.‏
There is no evidence yet that the Syrian army fired those mortars on Turkey, that evidence may never come, I will believe it when I see it, NATO governments response was premature and unprofessional , the only appropriate response until the truth is found is to take care of the victims family and to pursue a clean and credible investigation.

October 6th, 2012, 3:42 pm

 

Albo said:

“The FSA is becoming a magnet for terrorists from all over the world , too much for a home grown resistance movement.”

You can be pretty sure that all their movements are monitored when they are in Turkey, especially those from Europe, intelligence services are all over the place.
Yesterday some of them would have been smoked by drones, today they let them find their way to Syria. Of course, what islamists don’t realize is that even if their wild dreams come true and they win, western drones, too, will find their way to Syria.
Useful idiots to the end.

October 6th, 2012, 3:45 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is the Turkish response, it is a start but it is not good enough, much of what the FSA use is stolen and confiscated weapons, Oglu statement is not adequate.
قال وزير الخارجية التركي، “أحمد داود أوغلو”، إن القذيفة، التي سقطت على بلدة “أقتشا قلعة” التركية الحدودية، متوفرة لدى الجيش السوري فقط.
وأوضح “داود أوغلو” في لقاء تلفزيوني، أنه يستغرب صدور تعليقات تعتبر أن الهجوم يمكن أن يكون قد نُفذ من جانب جهة أخرى، مضيفًا: “تركيا تعلم على أي حال من أين أتت قذيفة المدفعية، التي أطلقت إلى أراضيها عن بعد 12 كم، ومن أطلقها”.
واستطرد قائلًا: “هذه القذيفة من طراز D30، عيار 122 مم. أطلقت هذه القذيفة من مدفع D30. عنوانها معروف. هذه القذيفة متوفرة فقط لدى الجيش السوري

October 6th, 2012, 3:48 pm

 

Warren said:

FSA Terrorist: We won’t stop our Jihad until we conquer the White House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h338574kbDU&feature=g-user-u

_________________________________________________________________

These are clowns and fruitcakes that make up the FSA: these are the foot soldiers of the Sunni Putsch!

October 6th, 2012, 3:54 pm

 

Albo said:

Of course, and they will come to Washington in a caravan.

October 6th, 2012, 4:01 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

If there is any truth to the reports of alleged infighting and increasing hostility in Qardaha, would those in the area who are angry and upset with the Assad family continue to keep the collective interests in mind and hold back from recording and releasing footage that could confirm the rumours and damage and embarrass Assad?

Rumours or unconfirmed reports are one thing but actual footage of clashes, demonstrations or pulling down of Assad portraits would be a whole different matter.

Would any media organisation be able to sneak a journalist in? I bet they’re trying.

October 6th, 2012, 4:09 pm

 

Tara said:

Batta is launching unprecedented attack on Homs. He is trying to wipe out the city. If indeed, the hostages are IRG and not pilgrims, the FSA should start executing on after the other until the attack on Homs stops.

October 6th, 2012, 4:32 pm

 

Visitor said:

Is the US administration covertly revising its strategy on the so-called war on terror?

Is the US reassessing its priorities?

While the US and its allies easily overtook large portions of Afghanistan since GWB launched his Enduring Freedom operation, the US by no means was able to inflict total defeat on the mercurial ènemy` it helped to create and fight. Furthermore the costs of that war as well as that of the Iraqi invasion were huge in terms of human and economic prices that had to be paid.

The US and its allies suffered about 8000 to 9000 casualties and thousands upon thousands of maimed and injured. In addition, the US alone paid several trillions in the cause of financing those wars and with no material reward except the undefined objective of a ghostly threat to national security.

US policy makers are quietly reassessing the quagmire in which America found itself in by pitting it against 1.5 billion Muslims, in which the only beneficiaries are the Russian and Chinese as they sit down and gleefully watch the US bleeding in areas of human and financial capitals. US administration realized after twenty years of communist collapse that it has cornered itself into a war of attrition with its foes in China and Russia by championing an inconsequential war against an undefined enemy. For many in Washington, this is a war that should be fought by Russians and Chinese as they are the parties that have the most stakes in its outcome due to geostrategic considerations.

The US is now quietly withdrawing from Afghanistan as it did from Iraq not long ago in order to minimize its losses and put a damper on the drain to its economy. This is also the reason why the US is so reluctant to engage in the Syrian conflict. By doing so, while not achieving its stated objectives, means a resurgence of those forces that it sought to destroy is expected to occur at the doorsteps of China and Russia forcing the two countries to redirect resources into an issue that they were happy to offload to an eager USA under GWB. It makes no difference whether Obama or Romney wins the next Presidential election. The continued dissociation of the US from its misconceived war on `terror` will continue and the new administration may even try to benefit from a new emerging dynamic in order to tame Russian and Chinese schemes.

October 6th, 2012, 5:00 pm

 

Visitor said:

Hussam al-Assad, cousin of Bashar, is in the hands of al-Farouq Brigade in Homs,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/06/242241.html

October 6th, 2012, 5:09 pm

 

Warren said:

Syrian Rebels Build Unmanned, Remote-Controlled Military Aircraft

Following are excerpts of a video featuring an aircraft made by Syrian rebels, which was posted on the internet on August 30, 2012.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6708.htm

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Israel downs unmanned aircraft

The Israeli air force has shot down a small unmanned aircraft after it entered the south of the country, the military has said.

Troops are searching for remains of the aircraft in the north of the Negev desert. It is not clear where it came from.

Local media quoted officials as saying the aircraft flew in from the west, but not from the Gaza Strip.

It was intercepted at around 10:00 local time (08:00 GMT).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19857597

October 6th, 2012, 5:34 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Today is the birthday of Hafez Al Assad, let all the criminals celebrate their God is born and eternal.

October 6th, 2012, 5:37 pm

 

Ghufran said:

3 new media outlets (regime friendly) were launched:
Syriana fm
Talaqi tv
Syriatimes newspaper in English
Waiting for free speech hypocrites to ban those channels.
I still watch aljazeera and alarabiya,but too much of that is not good for the brain.

October 6th, 2012, 5:58 pm

 

Ghufran said:

زياد الرحباني

بالنسبه إلى موضوع الربيع العربي، فشبه الرحباني هذا الموضوع بأنه لا يرى منه سوى نبتة البلانة التي تنتج جزئيات تجعل المرء يعطس من ورائها، وأنه يكره الربيع لأن من بعده يأتي الصيف وهو فصل الهبل لأنه يسي نصف العقل وكما نرى هو الفصل الأقل إنتاجاً ولذلك نرى بعض الدول التي تعيش في فصل حار أقل إنتاجاً من تلك الدول الباردة”، مؤكداً على أن الربيع العربي حقق فوضى جذرية في العالم العربي، إن مسار ما حصل في كل بلد هو غريب بنسبة كبيرة”، وفي ما يخص سوريا “أنا مع الحل الروسي .. عم الحوار”.
وأضاف في الموضوع السوري بأن العام 2008 شهد على سفره إلى سوريا لاول مرة من بعد العام 1975 أي بداية الحرب الأهلية في لبنان، مشيراً إلى أن قصة المخطوفين اللبنانيين في سوريا يلخص وضع المعارضة السورية كلها، معتبراً أن حزب الله هو حر بقراراته وآرائه بشأن سوريا وقيادتها، “ولكن الحزب لديه واقع معين بأنه لا يوجد ممرات كثيرة له من أجل سلاح”.
وفي نهاية الحلقة، أوضح الرحباني أن نظرته إلى لبنان تتلخص بأنه لا يوجد أمل أبداً بهكذا بلد والخطأ يحصل إن تم تقديم الوعود للناس بالأمل، وأن وجود الله في مثل هذه الحالات هو ضروري من خلال إنحصار جميع الامور به وليس بجلسات حوار أو مع بعض الرؤساء والسياسيين وحتى لو جلس الجميع على طاولة واحدة “كل التركية مش زابطة”، ناصحاً حزب الله بأن يترك الحكومة والحكم ويعود إلى ما كان عليه سابقاً ممازحاً بالقول أن الحكومة لا تؤثر بعمله قط سوى ربما بقطع الكهرباء.

October 6th, 2012, 6:21 pm

 
 
 

Ghufran said:

Rebels in Aleppo are leaving their positions in 3 areas and heading to the north and the east while Q’sair Homs is under heavy attacks in an attempt by the army to win the city after more than a year of rebels control. Eastern Gouta in Damascus has no electricity and is also witnessing fierce battles. Without some external help the three cities will be under regime control (reef Dimashq,Aleppo proper and Homs proper). What is left is Rastan,reef Halab and reef Idleb beside dayr Azzour which are largely or partially under rebels control who also dominate near Turkish borders. Neither side can afford losing the big cities.

October 6th, 2012, 6:47 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Assad Army destroying churches and mosques:

October 6th, 2012, 6:57 pm

 

Tara said:

Alawites should read this and think about it before it is too late.

http://bit.ly/PA7qne

October 6th, 2012, 7:31 pm

 

Visitor said:

Sources from Zabadani Revolutionaries claim success in destroying busses transporting hizbillati terrorists in Jdeidet Yabous, killing 100 hizbillati terrorists in the process, securely transporting them to their final abode in the lowest level of Jahannam.

October 6th, 2012, 8:23 pm

 

zoo said:

#452 Ann

Erdogan is very worried that any escalation of a war will have a direct impact on Turkey’s economy. Turkey’s economy is heavily linked to the international investments and trading and instability is not welcomed.
He is also worried about Turkey being perceived by the international community as allowing terrorists to move freely to Syria.

In my view, he is trying to distanced Turkey as much as possible from the FSA that has become heavily suspicious after the UNSC condamned the terrorist acts in Aleppo and accused al Qaeeda to be involved.
Like the whole international community, Erdogan is betting neither on the SNC nor the FSA for a solution to the crisis.
It is clear that a new peace initiative is necessary but which one and who will initiate it?

October 6th, 2012, 8:26 pm

 

Visitor said:

This demented Syrian mouthpiece claims that Turkey is carrying out a sinister military plot against Assad thugs,

http://diyar.charlesayoub.com/index.php/aldiyar-topic-article/3448/17379

October 6th, 2012, 8:29 pm

 
 

ann said:

Syria accuses US, France of arming, funding “terrorists” – 07 October, 2012

Syria accused the United States, France, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey on Monday of hijacking the country’s 18-month conflict between government forces and pro-democracy rebel groups by supporting “terrorism” with arms, money and foreign fighters

http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2012/10/07/syria-accuses-us-france-of-arming-funding-terrorists

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem told the U.N. General Assembly that outside calls for President Bashar al-Assad to step down were a “blatant interference in the domestic affairs of Syria, and the unity of its people and its sovereignty.”

Speaking on the final day of the annual gathering of the 193-nation assembly, Moualem said that Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United States, and France “clearly induce and support terrorism in Syria with money, weapons and foreign fighters.”

“Under the pretext of concepts such as the ‘Responsibility to Protect,’ drums of war are beaten, and sedition and unrest are spreading and damaging the structure of national societies,” Moualem said.

“Worst of all is to see permanent members of the Security Council, who launched wars under the pretext of combating terrorism, now support terrorism in my country,” Moualem said.

[…]

http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2012/10/07/syria-accuses-us-france-of-arming-funding-terrorists

October 6th, 2012, 8:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Will the new Egypt constitution deciding Egypt’s future be ready by December?

Political forces sign on ElBaradei call for Constituent Assembly boycott
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/54250/Egypt/Politics-/Political-forces-sign-statement-calling-for-Consti.aspx

A number of liberal and leftist figures and movements embrace calls by Hamdeen Sabbahi and Mohamed ElBaradei to boycott the body drafting Egypt’s new constitution
..
A number of political figures and movements have embraced calls by Nasserist Hamdeen Sabbahi and reform campaigner Mohamed ElBaradei to boycott the Constituent Assembly drafting Egypt’s new constitution in protest against its alleged incompetency.

The troubled assembly still faces the risk of dissolution by court order on grounds that it was drawn up by the subsequently dissolved People’s Assembly, the lower house of Egypt’s parliament.

In October, Egypt’s Supreme Administrative Court is set to rule on the assembly’s constitutionality.

October 6th, 2012, 8:44 pm

 

Visitor said:

As I said in 468, the US is seeking an exit from Afghanistan,

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Columnist/2012/Oct-04/190071-the-us-looks-for-a-decent-escape-from-afghanistan.ashx#axzz28ZM45ujs

Soon, the US will find means to benefit from new dynamics in a manner not much different than its war on communism. This time, the new adversaries are China and Putin Russia.

Enemies of yesterday will become allies of tomorrow.

October 6th, 2012, 8:45 pm

 

ann said:

Syria’s Defence Minister says “Rebellion is being crushed” – 06/10/2012

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=132455

DAMASCUS- Syrian Defence Minister Gen. Fahd Jassem al-Freij told Saturday state-run Syrian TV that the “Armed Forces are crushing the rebellion and restoring stability in Syria.”

Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Armed Forces, Minister of Defense, Lt. Gen. Fahd Jassem al-Freij, on Saturday stressed that the Syrian Arab Army is today engaged in a global war in which it is defending the homeland and citizens’ security and the values of the human society.

He said that “terrorism is about to be squashed and mercenaries and al-Qaeda groups will be crushed under the feet of our heroic soldiers.” as Syria was celebrating the anniversary of the 1973 Arab-Israeli war.

In a speech to the Syrian TV, Lt. Gen. al-Freij said in its current battle the Syrian Army now is defending the right, justice and the international law which affirms respecting the countries’ sovereignty and preventing interference in the internal affairs of independent countries.

He also saluted the resisting national media which has proved its ability to go to battle with high efficiency side by side with the army heroes.

“The landmarks of sovereignty and dignity generated by October Liberation War are now being crystallized at their best through Syria’s steadfastness, the loyalty of its people and the valor of its ideologized army,” said Lt. Gen. al-Freij.

Despite all the conspiracies and pressures faced over decades now, the Minizter added, “Syria’s sons today, just like during Tishreen War, are committed to the components of identity and are against all forms of domination and submission.”

“Our armed forces today are more resolved to restore security and stability to Syria and cut off the hand of whomever tries to harm it and eliminate the remnants of defeated terrorists wherever they are,” Minister al-Freij reiterated.

[…]

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=132455

October 6th, 2012, 8:46 pm

 

Visitor said:

An Iraqi shabi7h sent by heretic Muqtada Al-Sadr to kill Sunni Syrians,

http://www.nowlebanon.com/arabic/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=443724&MID=59&PID=46

October 6th, 2012, 8:54 pm

 

zoo said:

News Analysis: Syrian crisis more likely to spill over borders

English.news.cn 2012-10-06 03:18:16
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/06/c_131889744.htm

….
Experts suggest that Turkey is apparently afraid of a possible rise in the military tension along its borders with Syria to an extent that might push Damascus to open some of its arms depots for the Kurdish PKK guerrillas who regularly fight the Turkish army south of Turkey.

They say Syria might supply the PKK fighters with anti-tank missiles and Kornet tanks, making thereby the Turkish tanks and armored vehicles an easy target for the Kurdish fighters.

Worries have remarkably amplified after the serious signals emitted from the Syrian-Turkish borders, which is like a wakeup call that reverberates in surrounding countries that are vulnerable to the spillover of Syria’s crisis.

The Lebanese, who have chosen since the outbreak of the Syrian unrest to adopt the self-distancing policies, are also worried about the erosion of the country’s ability to protect the minimum limit of stability at present and to be drawn, willingly or unwillingly, to the conflict.

October 6th, 2012, 8:57 pm

 

Visitor said:

The mullahs are now expanding into the money exchange business. They want the money traders to buy the US dollar at 25000 mullah riyal and sell it at 26000 mullah riyal.

The traders, however, are refusing to trade and are hoarding their dollars.

I see a business opportunity here. Buy the US dollar for 25000 riyals from the central bank and never sell until the mullahs run out of dollars.

You can always sell in black market if you can force the central bank out of its dollars at the fixed price.

October 6th, 2012, 9:09 pm

 

zoo said:

Dictators allies to the US silences CNN with money

3 Time Emmy Award Winning CNN Journalist: Mainstream Media Takes Money from FOREIGN Dictators to Run Flattering Propaganda

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-09-30/3-time-emmy-award-winning-cnn-journalist-mainstream-media-takes-money-foreign


But it turns out that the American media will turn “tricks” for foreign johns as well …

Specifically, three time Emmy award winning reporter Amber Lyon was until very recently a respected CNN reporter:
Lyon was fired from CNN after she refused to stop reporting on her first-hand experience of the systematic torture and murder of peaceful protesters by the government of Bahrain.

Lyon’s special report on Bahrain was scheduled to run on both CNN’s U.S. and international networks, but was pulled after only a limited showing due to pressure from the Bahrainis and their lobbyists.

At the same time that Lyon was risking her life to do on-the-ground reporting in Bahrain, another CNN journalist was filming a paid propaganda piece on how the Bahraini leaders are a bunch of friendly pro-democracy reformers.

That’s right … the Bahraini government paid CNN to do what was literally an infomercial for that brutal regime and pretend it was real journalism.

Lyon says that China and many other foreign, authoritarian regimes also pay CNN and other mainstream networks to run flattering propaganda pieces.

October 6th, 2012, 9:19 pm

 

ann said:

480. zoo said:

#452 Ann

Erdogan is very worried that any escalation of a war will have a direct impact on Turkey’s economy. Turkey’s economy is heavily linked to the international investments and trading and instability is not welcomed.

Ottoman paper tiger `erdogan is like his evil twin paper tiger `natanyahu. They both want to have their cake and eat it too.

If the shooting does not stop by the time the financial markets open Monday morning the Ottomans can kiss their economy farewell!

October 6th, 2012, 9:32 pm

 

ann said:

Turkey on edge as Syria widens offensive – Oct 6, 2012

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/10/06/syria-turkey.html

Syria’s military will “crush” armed rebels, President Bashar Assad’s defense minister warned Saturday, as the regime shelled rebel positions in two cities and near the Lebanese border in a widening offensive.

Davutoglu insisted that “we haven’t taken a step toward war,” but Turkey’s threat to fire back for each errant Syrian shell was bound to keep border tensions high. Turkey is one of Assad’s harshest critics and a key supporter of Syria’s opposition.

Syrian mortar rounds are likely to hit Turkey again as regime forces try to retake rebel-controlled areas near the border. Two of the shells that fell in Turkey on Saturday were fired in clashes between government troops and opposition fighters in a Syrian border village.

Assad government says it’s winning

Syria’s civil war has been stalemated for months, but Syrian Defense Minister Gen. Fahd Jassem al-Freij insisted Saturday that the regime is gaining the upper hand.

The government denies it is facing a home-grown rebellion, saying it is being targeted by a foreign conspiracy against the regime’s support for anti-Israeli groups.

“The most dangerous parts of the conspiracy have … passed and the killing is on its way to decline,” said al-Freij, who was named to the job after his predecessor was assassinated in July. He offered amnesty to rebels who repent but said those who don’t “will be crushed under the feet of our soldiers.”

The Syrian president, meanwhile, made a rare public appearance Saturday to commemorate the anniversary of the outbreak of the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, also known as the October War.

Assad laid a wreath at the country’s statue of the Unknown Soldier in Damascus, then passed along a line of saluting army commanders in dress uniform, shaking hands with each. The ceremony, broadcast live on Syrian TV, seemed designed to show Assad remains in control.

Syria’s state-run news agency SANA linked Saturday’s anniversary to the current conflict, saying that in both cases “Syria is facing an enemy armed with Western and Israeli weapons.”

Along with regime’s new warnings to the rebels, Syrian troops backed by warplanes and combat helicopters launched attacks on rebel-held areas near the Syrian town of Quseir, close to Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley, on Saturday, Lebanese security officials said.

[…]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/10/06/syria-turkey.html

October 6th, 2012, 10:09 pm

 

Visitor said:

Another sinister plot claimed by the Assad thug mouthpiece,

بندر شخصية خطيرة

هناك مخطط أمام الأمير بندر بن سلطان فهل يستطيع تنفيذه؟

جاء الامير بندر بن سلطان الى السعودية وتسلم رئاسة المجلس الوطني الذي هو على رأسها لكنه جاء الى السعودية ليمارس بعدما غاب فترة اثناء مرض والده واثناء قيام امراء سعوديين آخرين بلعب دور في قيادة المخابرات السعودية في وجه ايران. لكن يبدو ان الملك عبدالله شعر ان الحاجة باتت ضرورية وماسّة كي يأتي الامير بندر بن سلطان الى السعودية ويبدأ عمله في خطة سعودية – خليجية للحدّ من النفوذ الايراني. والامير بندر لا يمزح فهو قوي جداً ضمن الادارة الاميركية ويعرف مفاصل القرار الاميركي سواء كان الحزب ديموقراطي أم الحزب جمهوري وهو على علاقة مع البنتاغون ووزارة الدفاع الاميركية والاهم انه على أكبر علاقة مع المخابرات الاميركية المركزية. لذلك فان الامير بندر بدأ فوراً بخطة عملية ظهرت في سوريا فازدادت الحرب في سوريا اشتعالاً وزاد المعارضون قوة رغم ان المعارضة السورية منقسمة على نفسها، ورغم أن العقيد رياض الأسعد قائد الجيش السوري الحر غاب فجأة مما أدى الى ضربة للجيش السوري الحر، وضياع كبير لانه فقد قائده ولم يعد في ظروف غامضة ولم يعد يعرف شيء اين هو العقيد رياض الاسعد.

الامير بندر تحرك مع تركيا وطلب من تركيا مزيدا من الضغط على سوريا والامير بندر يعتقد ان سقوط النظام السوري سيكون من خلال اصطدام الجيش السوري بالجيش التركي ومناوشات على طول الحدود السورية – التركية البالغ طولها 800 كلم حيث يتم استنزاف الجيش السوري في مناوشات مستمرة مع الجيش التركي وبالتالي يرتاح الوضع السوري الداخلي بالنسبة للمتظاهرين والمعارضين الذين يقومون بالتحرك بقوة لاسقاط النظام السوري وفق ما يراه الامير بندر، اضافة الى ان التمويل السعودي وان السلاح الذي يمر عبر تركيا الى سوريا سيزداد مع الوقت، وبالتالي تبقى المعارضة السورية ضد النظام. لكن الأمير بندر ينسى أمراً اساسياً وهو أنه يحارب ايران لكن في الواقع يحارب روسيا، وروسيا لا تريد الامير بندر ان ينجح في السعودية ولا ان ينجح في المخطط العربي، وبالتالي فالمعركة جارية بين السعودية وموسكو، وموسكو ستضع كل ثقلها لمنع اسقاط الرئيس بشار الاسد، فاذا كان الجو السعودي هو ان النظام السوري سيسقط بعد الانتخابات الاميركية فان موسكو تعتبر ان النظام السوري سيكون قوياً في الأشهر القادمة بعدما يدمّر عسكريا القوى المسلحة التي ضده. هذا اضافة الى أن موسكو تدعم بالذخيرة والسلاح سوريا مباشرة كذلك تقوم موسكو بالوقوف سداً منيعاً في وجه السعودية وفي وجه اميركا وحلف الناتو وتمنع أي ادانة في مجلس الامن في سوريا، وتمنع اي قرار في مجلس الامن لاستعمال القوة ضد سوريا، وتقول ان لا حل عسكري في سوريا، بل حل سياسي، وروسيا تدخلت مع تركيا بوجه السعودية، وطلبت من تركيا التخفيف من لهجتها ضد سوريا والاهم طلبت من تركيا عدم تحريك جيشها ضد الجيش السوري، ولولا روسيا لكان الجيش التركي قصف الاراضي السورية وسيطر على منطقة عازلة داخل سوريا، كانت ستكون مركزاً للمعارضة المسلحة السورية.

ماذا يفعل الامير بندر الآن؟ انه يحاول دعم المعارضة السورية كي تستطيع مواجهة بشار واسقاط نظامه بعد 6 اشهر، وفي ذات الوقت يقوم باستجماع القوى العربية لمواجهة ايران، وهو بدأ بتعزيز المجلس الوطني السعودي بالطاقات والامكانيات كي يواجه الخطة الايرانية، انها المعركة الحقيقية الآن بين الخليج العربي وايران تماماً كما حصل بين صدام حسين وايران، ولكن بأسلوب مختلف، انه اسلوب الجبهات المشتعلة في عدة أمكنة وانه اسلوب الصراع الديبلوماسي العنيف، والمواجهة تبدأ بين موسكو وواشنطن لتنتقل الى المواجهة بين ايران والسعودية، والامير بندر يراهن ان نظام الرئيس بشار سيكون ضعيفاً بعد اشهر ويسقط تلقائياً. ويعتبر ان الدعم الروسي يمنع تدخل عسكري خارجي وان الدعم الروسي يعطي قوة للنظام السوري بوجه تركيا، لكن الدعم الروسي لا يستطيع ان يوقف التحرك الشعبي السوري الداخلي.

في المقابل، بشار الاسد امام معركة حاسمة، وهو يستعمل امكانيات جيشه ومخابراته في هذه المعركة، ويرى عدواً قوياً على حدوده هو تركيا مع ان سوريا لم تعد تخالف من تركيا مثل الاول في ظل الدعم الروسي، وهو يرى تسلل من حدود لبنان نحو سوريا قام بقطعه عبر القصف المدفعي السوري على الحدود اللبنانية، وهو يرى تحركاً أردنياً ضده لكن مشاكل الاردن التي بدأت قد تخدم بشار في هذا المجال.

الامير بندر زرع رجاله في كل مكان، وأطلق العنان لجهاز الامن الوطني السعودي كي يتحرك، وسيفعل الامير بندر كل ما باستطاعته لانقاذ الملك عبدالله الثاني ملك الاردن من الورطة، حتى لو دفعت السعودية المال اللازم لدعم الوضع الاقتصادي الاردني، كذلك سيقوم الامير بندر بدعم القوى في لبنان التي تقف بوجه حزب الله، ويساعدها في الانتخابات النيابية القادمة مالياً، وسياسياً كي تربح الانتخابات. ويحاول في العراق اضعاف النفوذ الايراني لكن ايران قوية جداً في العراق طالما ان حكومة نور المالكي تسيطر على الوضع.

بندر عقل غير عادي، وبندر عقل مخطط من الطراز الأول، ويعرف اللعبة الدولية خاصة اللعبة الدولية في واشنطن، ولذلك امام بندر 4 اشهر ليعرف مصير خطته، هل يستطيع أن يكون قوياً ويقف في وجه ايران، أم أن ايران ستخلق مشاكل في البحرين والاردن وحتى داخل السعودية في منطقة القطيف، وتحرك الوضع في لبنان وتزيد من دعمها للنظام السوري ضد المعارضة.

هنالك 4 اشهر امام الامير بندر بن سلطان رئيس المجلس الوطني السعودي، فأما ان يستطيع السعودي الامير بندر بن سلطان تحسين موازين القوى والسيطرة والا فان السعودية ستصل الى مأزق حيث تتوازن القوى بينها وبين ايران ويكون الوضع جامداً وتقع المنطقة الايرانية في الشرق الاوسط في ظل امر لا يتغير. وعندها ستجد السعودية نفسها في حرب استنزاف مع ايران، لكن الامير بندر بن سلطان الذي لم يمضِ على عودته الى السعودية شهراً تقريبا او شهرين قام بتغيير الامور بشكل جذري، وبدأت المواجهة السعودية الايرانية تأخذ شكلا حادا ولكن الجديد هو الساحة الاردنية، فالسعودية لا يمكن ان تقبل بسقوط حليف رئيسي لها هو الاردن، كذلك لن تقبل ان يضعف الملك عبدالله الثاني ملك الاردن امام المعارضة الاسلامية.

بندر شخصية خطيرة، وشخصية قوية، وشخصية مميزة، ولكن المشاكل في وجهه والمخطط في وجهه كبير جداً، والمشكلة الاساسية ان الامير بندر بن سلطان تأخر سنة ونصف كاملة في تسلّم فعلي لرئاسة المجلس الوطني السعودي، وضاع عليه وقت ثمين استفادت منه ايران، لكن الامير بندر يعتبر ان الخرق الحقيقي حصل ضد ايران في سوريا، وان النظام السوري الذي يدعم حزب الله وهو حليف ايران الاساسي وهو في موقع العداء ضد السعودية، اصبح ضعيفاً نتيجة الحرب الدائرة في سوريا.

من يربح؟ مخطط الامير بندر، أم المخطط الايراني؟ واذا كنا نريد بحث الموضوع جدياً نقول ان لا أحد يستطيع ان يحسم الامر وبالنتيجة يبقى الوضع ينتظر الانتخابات الاميركية، وعندما تحصل الانتخابات الاميركية سيقرر الرئيس الاميركي الجديد مع الرئيس الروسي بوتين وضع المنطقة في الشرق الاوسط ونفوذ روسيا ونفوذ اميركا واين هو حدود النفوذ الايراني واين هو حدود النفوذ العربي؟ وحتى ذلك الوقت سيكون على الامير بندر دعم الجبهات العربية الضعيفة كي تصبح أقوى حتى الانتخابات الاميركية وظهور نتائجها.

But that means Bandar is alive and kicking, a deep disappointment to assadist thugs on this board.

October 6th, 2012, 10:22 pm

 

Syria no Kandahar said:

Salafis,Takfiris,Terrorists,FSA,Erdogan,HBJ,Alaaroor and his worshippers,Jibhat
Alnasra,Alfarook Terrorists,Altawheed Terrorists,Ahfad Alrasool Terrorists,Suicide
Bombers,Head cutters,Alsharia followers,Saad Allah Aljabri Rippers,Aleppo Souk
Burners,Alqamishli Suicide bombers,Islamists kidnappers , destroyers of Syrian
Society mosaic , Killers of Syrian scientists, collaborators with Syria’s enemies,
Destroyers of Syria’s infrastructures, displacers of millions of Syrians inside and outside of Syria , refusers of Syrian negotiation tables, Organizers of Live Aljazera
Broadcasted massacres, accepters of foreign money and weapons, paralysers
Of Syrian youth education and future …….They all hate Syria and are hated by
Most Syrians.

October 6th, 2012, 10:26 pm

 

ann said:

Tehran demands release of pilgrims in Syria – Sunday, October 07, 2012

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1-136253-Tehran-demands-release-of-pilgrims-in-Syria

TEHRAN: Iran’s foreign ministry on Saturday appealed for the release of 48 of its citizens held hostage by rebels in Syria and threatened with execution one by one unless Syria’s army withdraws from an area in Damascus province.

The Iranian statement, by foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast, said: “The hostage takers of the Iranian pilgrims in Syria as well as those supporting them are responsible for their lives.”

The statement called on “international organisations to prevent such acts and to do everything to obtain the immediate liberation of all the pilgrims and Iranian nationals.”

Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi also called his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davutoglu, to ask for Turkey’s help in freeing the Iranians, the Fars news agency reported. Ankara has in the past been instrumental in the liberation of other Iranians taken in Syria.

[…]

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1-136253-Tehran-demands-release-of-pilgrims-in-Syria

October 6th, 2012, 10:28 pm

 

Syria no Kandahar said:

FSA the holocaust of freedom,the destroyers of
A nation, The guilt of humanity , the spit of a devil:

October 6th, 2012, 10:54 pm

 

Visitor said:

We thank the great heroic army of the revolution the victorious and valiant FSA for defending the revolution and the people of Syria against the scourge of humanity, the remnants of the Nazis and the Mongolians, the epitome of evil, the devoid Baathist thugs, the criminal Alawites shabi7hs and زبانية بشار الاسد وأبوه المقبور اللعين الى ابد الآبدين .

October 6th, 2012, 11:17 pm

 

Syria no Kandahar said:

Auction in KSA to compensate the father of a would be Suicide bomber….Money and virgins and
Blood=Syrian Tikfiri Wahhabi revolution :

October 6th, 2012, 11:25 pm

 

zoo said:

The FSA troops who are in camps in Yayladgi must now retreat far away from the borders. Good bye to smuggling weapons and crossing to Syria back and forth, the Turkish army is here to watch this border.

Syrian shell strikes Turkish border province
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-shell-strikes-turkish-border-province.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31806&NewsCatID=338

Syrian shelling hit a rural area in a Turkish border province Oct. 6, for the fourth time since Oct. 5, daily Hürriyet reported.

A shell fired by the Syrian army at opposition forces fell in the eastern province of Hatay, about 800 meters away from the village of Aşağıpullayazı Village in the Yayladğı district, at about 3:00 p.m. No casualties were reported.

October 6th, 2012, 11:43 pm

 

Syria no Kandahar said:

FSA suicide bombers…dead . The damage FSA has done to central Aleppo will be remembered for
Generations:

October 6th, 2012, 11:45 pm

 

Ghufran said:

قتل 40 جندياً نظامياً على الأقل وتسعة مقاتلين معارضين في مواجهات انتهت بسيطرة المعارضة السورية على قرية خربة الجوز في محافظة إدلب بشمال غرب سوريا، وفق ما أفاد المرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان.
وقال المرصد الذي يتخذ من لندن مقراً له، إن “الاشتباكات في بلدة خربة الجوز بريف جسر الشغور انتهت بعد أن سيطر مقاتلون من الكتائب الثائرة على البلدة ومحيطها”.
وأضاف أن “الاشتباكات استمرت أكثر من 12 ساعة وأسفرت عن مقتل ما لا يقل عن 40 من القوات النظامية بينهم خمسة ضباط كما قتل تسعة مقاتلين” معارضين.
More death, more temporary victories, no end in sight, thinking that killing and counter killing will lead to victory is an illusion.

October 6th, 2012, 11:45 pm

 

Syria no Kandahar said:

Friends of Dautoglu preparing for the attack which
Killed 5 Turks,documented FSA crime:

October 6th, 2012, 11:52 pm

 

Halabi said:

Another victory for Assad’s army.

http://youtu.be/nJd4-m1Stgc

October 7th, 2012, 12:09 am

 

ann said:

Insurgents retreat from Aleppo – Oct 7, 2012

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_10_07/Insurgents-retreat-from-Aleppo/

Under pounding by the Syrian army armed insurgents have retreated from the eastern areas of Aleppo.

On October 6th dozens of cars loaded down with insurgents left the Sahhur and Shaar districts and headed towards bases and camps established in the surrounding villages.

The last stronghold of the insurgents in Aleppo had been the suburb of Tariq al-Bab, through which the highway to the international airport runs.

According to reports armed skirmishes continue in the older part of the city.

On the outskirts of Aleppo government forces continue to attack the positions of the insurgent group, the Free Syria Army.

On October the 6th in the industrial center of Homs, the last outpost of the armed opposition was destroyed and more than 160 insurgents were killed.

Another 40 rebels were killed Rastane, located on the Damascus-Aleppo highway.

Large groupings of government forces are concentrated in the south to block the infiltration of mercenaries and terrorists from the border area with Jordan.

Syrian Defense Minister, Gen. Fahd Jassem al-Freydzh said that the armed forces of the republic are determined to restore peace and stability in all parts of Syria.

[…]

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_10_07/Insurgents-retreat-from-Aleppo/

October 7th, 2012, 12:20 am

 

Syria no Kandahar said:

The Kur Army knew that the child will be killed before it was shut because they killed him for being a Kurd .Thanks for another criminal evidence for the criminal Kur Army.

October 7th, 2012, 12:22 am

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

SUPPORTERS OF THE TERRORIST SYRIAN REGIME NEED NOT READ THIS

Here’s a link to an article in a series of articles by, Nidal Ma’luf, the founder of Syria-News. He’s able to write these articles because he’s no longer in the country. My understanding, and I stand corrected, is that he’s Christian. He talks about his experience as a journalist with the security thugs responsible for overseeing the media. One of the results of Batta’s so called reforms in the journalism realm, or lack of, is that Nidal had to leave the country or else face the consequences.

The article talks about the incidents and Dar’a and confirms what we all knew long ago about who resorted to extreme violence to terrorize the populace into submission.

Very interesting read.

الموت ولا المذلة .. بقلم نضال معلوف
http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=153128

October 7th, 2012, 2:08 am

 

Hamoudeh al-Halabi said:

The FSA and Jabhat al-Nusra at the Crossroads of Aleppo
http://freehalab.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/the-fsa-and-jabhat-al-nusra-at-the-crossroads-of-aleppo/

Ghufran, you mentioned that “the rebels” retreated from three areas in Aleppo, which ones were that and do you have more information about that? I don’t know how you conclude that they’re about to lose Aleppo.

October 7th, 2012, 3:21 am

 

Mina said:

Albo
Well indeed, since one year and a half I have been reading and writing here, I did notice that many people around were sectarian. Thanks for what your wrote, you really summarized what I do think too (i was wondering with the Turkish incident, will the people here say hurra when they’ll see bombs destroying Damascus “à la Dresden”, as long as bombs are falling on Iran too?):

“The FSA is becoming a magnet for terrorists from all over the world , too much for a home grown resistance movement.”
You can be pretty sure that all their movements are monitored when they are in Turkey, especially those from Europe, intelligence services are all over the place.
Yesterday some of them would have been smoked by drones, today they let them find their way to Syria. Of course, what islamists don’t realize is that even if their wild dreams come true and they win, western drones, too, will find their way to Syria.
Useful idiots to the end.

October 7th, 2012, 3:34 am

 

Mina said:

Some here seem to have missed this one
http://angryarab.blogspot.de/2012/10/lousy-syrian-regime-and-tal-az-zatar.html

As for Egypt, you get an idea how the country is run when you read than (I applaud to Morsi taking Turkey for model, but please indicate me if Atatürk will be in the picture):
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/political-parties-call-demonstrations-12-october
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/khaled-saeed-s-sister-morsy-yet-issue-death-certificate-khaled

October 7th, 2012, 3:42 am

 
 

Mina said:

Rather than Erdogan, it is Ahmadinejad and his populism who are Morsi’s model. Instead of giving a TV speech, he used the 1973 celebrations to exercise his self-praise in Cairo stadium. All the figures he gives are totally fake, as we are certainly going to read in the newspapers in the following days (I love this one: 1,5 million traffic violations in the past month… ; as for the low inflation, sure, no one has money to buy anything!). Last polls give 58 percent of Egyptians unhappy with him. Big demos are expected for Friday.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/54950/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-president-Morsi-Quotes-of-the-night.aspx

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/54941/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-opposition-groups-announce-Friday-protests-.aspx

Aleppo and its region destructions:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/aleppo%E2%80%99s-history-lost-fighting

October 7th, 2012, 4:42 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

506. SYR.EXPAT

Please check the link you posted. This is not about Nidal Makhlouf but about Jamil Al Tawil. Could you send the right link? I would like to read it.

October 7th, 2012, 5:08 am

 

Citizen said:

I highly recommend watching the entire video
WHY SYRIA? The Obama, Hilary Lucifer Clinton PIPELINE WARS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xcqkNlG3ik
What does the turmoil in the middle east and terrorism have in common? Both are being caused and propagated by Elites to further their own FINANCIAL and POLITICAL interests. Whether Obama, Bush, or Clinton, they are ALL working together. Is this what constitutes “American Interests” in the middle east: pipelines?

October 7th, 2012, 6:56 am

 

Citizen said:

Syria: NATO Ammunition was used to attack Turkish border town. FSA responsible.
http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-the-grenades-on-turkey-are-nato-ammunition/
This is a translation of the recent blog post by the German Blog “Alles Schall und Rauch” about the allegedly attack of a Turkish border town by the Syrian Arab Army. It seems that NATO ammunition was used in this attack.

This implies, that the Syrian Arab Army (the Syrian government) cannot be responsible for this attack because the Syrian Arab Army does not own these NATO ammunition. In addition, as several reports in recent months have already confirmed, the Western-backed radicals, terrorists and religious fanatics are supplied by several powers with weapons, money, and ammunition.

NATO ammunition is partly included in this supply for these fighters. This was already confirmed by recent pictures of seized weapon depots in Syria, but also by some Turkish reports. The translation of this article is above.

October 7th, 2012, 7:04 am

 

zoo said:

The numerous levels of Sunni Islam is exposed.
Salafists to Moslem Brotherhood: You are not Islamic enough

Salafists urge ultraconservative Islam on post-Arab Spring governments

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/after-arab-spring-salafists-are-building-influence–at-polls-and-at-gunpoint/2012/10/06/a3590e48-0e10-11e2-bd1a-b868e65d57eb_story.html

CAIRO — The elections that followed the Arab uprisings elevated Islamists out of decades of repression and into the region’s most powerful posts. Here in Egypt, a former prisoner became president.

But to Salafists, adherents of a puritanical form of Islam who have embraced the country’s new freedoms with gusto, the emerging Islamist order has a serious flaw: It isn’t nearly Islamist enough.

But many Salafists, emboldened by what they see as growing public enthusiasm for their cause, have denounced the new leaders for being too timid in injecting Islamic thought into long-standing domestic and foreign policies. The time for more dramatic action, they say, is now.

“We are not fans of conflict, but the opportunity is here to take firm measures and bold strides,” said Saber, who sat in a dusty Cairo office beneath shelves filled with religious texts. “If a thief steals your monthly pay, would you not want his hand cut off?”

October 7th, 2012, 9:36 am

 

Warren said:

Turkey Unlikely to Push Confrontation with Syria

Vijay Prashad: Turkey can’t live up to its tough rhetoric on Syria as it faces Kurdish resistance and morale crisis in army after 300 officers convicted of treason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVlFXRy5F5c&feature=g-user-u

__________________________________________________________________

Contrary to what the excited insurgent supporters on here believe; neither NATO nor Turkey has any immediate plans to get engage in direct regime change a la Libya last year. It looks like the Turks are looking to extradite themselves from the mess they created.

October 7th, 2012, 9:39 am

 

zoo said:

#512 Mina

After 100 days, 5 out of 64 promises have been fulfilled until now. Among them the traffic violations?

http://www.morsimeter.com/

October 7th, 2012, 9:40 am

 

zoo said:

#517 Warren

It is becoming clear that the Turks are trying to retract from their too heavy implications in the rebellion against Syria’s rulers.
They and the international community know that the attack from Syria is the inevitable result of their hosting the rebels camps near the borders and allowing the militants to move back and forth easily with weapons.
By deploying the army on these same borders for the first time, Turkey is now locking the FSA fighters in Syria. The ones who left can’t come back. As a preamble, they have already kicked out the FSA commanders last week.
Obviously they are using any pretext to hamper the rebels soldiers and oblige them to stay in Syria while publicly voicing threats to the Syrian government.
Now that the rebels are holding most of Syrian outposts on the north border, the full responsibility of the traffic between the countries is on the Turks. The Turks are now gradually paralyzing the borders on their side and closing them to the rebels movements.

The Jordanian borders have been recently secured by the Jordanian army as some rebels were killed trying to cross.
This is why we are now seeing the Lebanese borders been used by the rebels as a last resort. It is now up to the Lebanese army to act like Turkey did, using the next bombing of a Lebanese village on the border to deploy the Army. Because it could be overstretched, the Hezbollah is possibly called to help secure the borders.

Syria’s neighbors are closing their borders to the rebels. The Oil countries have decreased funding the FSA for fear it is becoming a “terrorist” army that may turn against them. The SNC crumbled. The rebels are in dire straight.

October 7th, 2012, 10:02 am

 

Feekum said:

Who made the two arses from lebanon spokesmen for the revolution? They should be flushed down the loo with the rest of assad supporters.
visitor if you have a problem with my sect you asinine piece of monkey excrement drink a bottle of bleach.

October 7th, 2012, 10:08 am

 

zoo said:

#508 Hamoudeh

Insurgents retreat from Aleppo – Oct 7, 2012

https://www.joshualandis.com/blog/?p=16312&cp=11#comment-330631

October 7th, 2012, 10:08 am

 

ann said:

Iran says NATO preparing ground for intervention in Syria – 2012-10-07

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/07/c_131890832.htm

TEHRAN, Oct. 6 (Xinhua) — Ali-Akbar Velayati, the senior advisor to Iran’s supreme leader said Saturday that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is preparing the ground for military intervention in Syria.

Velayati made the remarks in reference to the recent exchange of artillery fire between Syria and Turkey, said the report.

A Syrian artillery shell landed on the Turkish territory Saturday afternoon, some 1,200 meters from the Syrian border, an official statement from the Turkish side said.

“Turkish troops retaliated against Syria by firing two mortar shells on Saturday afternoon,” it added.

Earlier in the day, two Syrian artillery shells had landed inside Turkey, one at 7:00 a.m. local time (0400 GMT) and the other 11:30 a.m. local time (0830 GMT).

Turkey and Syria have been exchanging fire sporadically on the border for four days after a mortar shell from the Syrian side fell Wednesday in the Turkish border town of Akcakale in Sanliurfa province and killed five Turks.

Velayati, who formerly served as Iran’s foreign minister, said, “Today, NATO is ready to issue a threat against Syria and intends to enter Syria under the pretext that one of the members of this organization, the neighboring country, has been threatened.”

Certain Western countries are seeking to drag NATO into regional issues, he said, adding, “The West is digging a hole so that Turkey, Syria and the entire region will become stuck in it and the Islamic Awakening will be overshadowed. Regional countries, including Syria, Turkey and Iraq should remain vigilant because the United States and its allies have plots for regional countries. ”

Israel and its Western allies have hatched new plots against Syria and certain other regional countries, he was quoted as saying.

Velayati said that the first pretext provided by the West for interference in Syria’s internal affairs was that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was not responding to legitimate public demands.

“But when the West came to the conclusion that the people are supporters of the government, they decided to dispatch foreign mercenaries to Syria and also encouraged neighboring countries to support them,” Mehr quoted him as saying.

On Iran’s stance toward Syria, Velayati said, “We have helped and are helping (Syrian government) and will support Syria’s territorial integrity and the interests of the people and the government, provided that the reforms continue.”

On Saturday, Tehran Times daily quoted Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast as saying that Iran has called on Syria and Turkey to exercise restraint amid mounting border tensions.

“Such incidents have no objective but to undermine friendship and brotherhood between the peoples of neighboring countries,” said Mehmanparast.

Iran will continue its “well-intentioned” efforts to resolve the problems facing Syria and believes that dialogue is the only solution to the current problems, said the spokesman.

Chairman of Iranian Armed Forces’ Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Hassan Firouzabadi, said Friday that Syria and Turkey should realize that the United States wants a war between the two Muslim countries, Press TV reported.

“This war is what the U.S. wants and the officials of the two countries (of Syria and Turkey) should move towards non- interference in each other’s affairs in order to see peace on the borders,” Firouzabadi was quoted as saying.

[…]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/07/c_131890832.htm

October 7th, 2012, 10:11 am

 

ann said:

Russian Drafted UNSC Statement on Aleppo Agreed After 2 Extensions

By Matthew Russell Lee

UNITED NATIONS, October 5, original 11:50 am, update 12:06 pm — After agreeing to the UN Security Council’s press statement Thursday on Akcakale in Turkey, Russian Permanent Representative Vitaly Churkin told the press that his draft statement on the terrorist attack in Aleppo was “under silence” until 10 a.m. on Friday.

This meant if no member broke or extended silence, it would be adopted.

But at 10 a.m., there was no UN Television camera at the Security Council stakeout. Inner City Press has learned that silence was, in face, “extended twice.” But then it was agreed, to be read out at noon:

Security Council Press Statement on terrorist attacks in Aleppo

The members of the Security Council condemned in the strongest terms the terrorist attacks in Aleppo, Syria on 3 October, causing dozens of deaths and over one hundred civilians injured, responsibility for which was claimed by the Jebhat al-Nusra group affiliated with Al-Qaeda. They expressed their deep sympathy and sincere condolences to the families of the victims of these heinous acts and to the people of Syria.

The members of the Security Council reaffirmed that terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security, and that any acts of terrorism are criminal and unjustifiable, regardless of their motivation, wherever, whenever and by whomsoever committed.

The members of the Security Council reiterated their determination to combat all forms of terrorism, in accordance with its responsibilities under the Charter of the United Nations.

The members of the Security Council reminded States that they must ensure that measures taken to combat terrorism comply with all their obligations under international law, in particular international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law.

[…]

http://www.innercitypress.com/aleppo1sc100512.html

October 7th, 2012, 10:16 am

 

Mina said:

Zoo,
No of course, the traffic violation are really the latest problem faced by the police these days. There was a huge strike of microbuses drivers anyway, and these are the worse people. No one would ever dare to give them a ticket, and it is not too popular to give tickets to people who are already impoverished. It’s bluff like all the rest.

Le Monde features an article about an Aleppo family that has 30 of its men in the rebellion.
http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2012/10/07/syrie-du-grand-pere-au-petit-fils-30-rebelles-d-une-meme-famille-au-combat_1771403_3218.html

In Libya, the Arab Spring processes smoothly: Egypt tries to evacuate its citizens. BHL is offering to accomodate them.
http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/embassy-attempts-evacuate-egyptians-libya-clashes
(The only reason I can think of for Turkey to have accepted to remove 30,000 workers from Libya to please NATO is a big piece of the Syrian cake.)

October 7th, 2012, 10:17 am

 

zoo said:

The USA should work toward reaching a peace conference on Syria

Syria’s suffering opens a door for Washington

Patrick Cockburn
Sunday 7 October 2012
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/syrias-suffering-opens-a-door-for-washington-8200647.html

World View: As sanctions bite in Iran and Turkish shells fall, US is well placed to broker regional peace talks

An ideal outcome from the American point of view is to seek to organise a military coup against the Syrian government in Damascus. Zilmay Khalilzad, a former US ambassador to Iraq and Afghanistan, wrote recently in Foreign Policy magazine that the US should take steps “empowering the moderates in the opposition, shifting the balance of power through arms and other lethal assistance, encouraging a coup leading to a power-sharing arrangement, and accommodating Russia in exchange for its co-operation”.

By becoming the opposition’s main weapons’ suppliers, the US could gain influence over the rebel leadership, encourage moderation and a willingness to share power. Mr Khalilzad envisages that these moves will prepare the ground for a peace conference similar to that held at Taif in Saudi Arabia in 1989 that ended Lebanon’s 15-year civil war. It is also what the US would have liked to have happened in Iraq after 1991.

Arms and money dispensed by them are most likely to flow to extreme Sunni groups in Syria, as happened when Pakistani military intelligence was the conduit for US military aid to the Afghan Mujahideen in the 1980s.

Instead of a fight to the finish – and that finish would probably be a long way off – a peace conference with all the players may be the only way to bring an end to the Syrian war…

October 7th, 2012, 10:17 am

 

Hopeful said:

I just spoke with a Syrian woman who has just got back from a short visit to Syria to see her parents whom she had not heard from in a month (they live in a village in central Syria). Here are some of the highlights:

* At the airport, they heard that there is a battle going on near al-dawwar alrabe3. Then all the sudden the airport security personnel disappeared (after telling each other to shut down and run). The passengers waited inside the terminal for over 20 minutes with no one guards around. After that, the passport security servicemen came back and started working as if nothing happened.

* Her cousins picked her up from the airport and drove her to Damascus. They heard shootings and gunfire during the entire ride. Her cousins did not seem to care much – they are now used to it.

* She was shocked by the scenes of damaged buildings and homes near and inside Damascus.

* On the ride to her home town, using public transportation (bus), at one point the bus driver asked everyone to duck and lay down on the bus floor. Then they heard gunfire and shootings for a few minutes (the driver is still driving). When the driver asked them to sit up again, there were bullet holes and broken windows everywhere on the bus. The driver simply shrugged it off and continued driving.

* She saw her family but her father had suffered a stroke that had left him half paralyzed. She lost one of her brothers.

* She said a village nearby her home town had declared “independence” from the regime. The police and security forces in that village had simply defected to the FSA side. A couple of days later, the army gathered at a nearby village, and a group of militants along with army forces attacked the “defected” village, killed people, and burned down houses. She visited the village and saw that first hand.

* She heard many stories of Russian arms flowing freely and directly from Russia into the hands of the militias.

* There is a complete lawlessness all around. No traffic police, no building inspections, no schools, no security, plenty of kidnapping stories, people are as polarized as ever.

Basically she concluded: everything we hear is true. Syria is now a lawless country in the midst of an armed civil war, with the “regular” army teaming up with local secular militias on one end fighting defected soldiers who have teamed up with their own local secular militias.

I have no reason to doubt this woman’s story, and every reason to believe every word she said (including the fact that I had met her a day before she left for Syria and we both had tears in our eyes at the thought of her and her sister traveling alone to Syria and into a region what she had no communications with for over a month).

Draw you own conclusions. I believe history will not be kind to a regime that led its country into a brutal civil war that destroyed not just one but several generations to come. The role of the “others” will be forgotten as it is simply a distraction from the main failure!

October 7th, 2012, 10:18 am

 

zoo said:

#523 Mina

The UN statement is a political victory for the Syrian government. For the first time a terrorist attack in Syria implying a complicity with the rebels is officially condemned.
Indirectly Qatar, KSA and Turkey are pointed at, since they are the ones who provided funds, weapons and shelter to accomplices of these attacks.
The FSA is now officially associated with Al Qaeeda.
This UN statement would probably change the mind of many countries about the situation in Syria.
Most Western countries and Arab countries who have tasted terrorism, like Algeria and Iraq, know that there should be zero tolerance.
Any country encouraging it should stop. Turkey is listening and its latest behavior show they got the message.

October 7th, 2012, 10:32 am

 

ann said:

NATO ready to “intervene” in Syria? – Global Research, October 05, 2012

http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-ready-to-intervene-in-syria/

Rick Rozoff, manager of the Stop NATO website comments on NATO’s emergency meeting surrounding the situation on the Turkish/Syrian border and its role in the region. He claims that: “NATO countries and their Allies in the Persian Gulf aren’t going to back down no matter what Syria does.”

There’s no definitive proof right now that the mortar shells that landed in the Turkish village, resulting in the tragic deaths of 5 civilians and the wounding, I believe of 8 others, was the result of Syrian government shelling.

It has not been established that this was fired by Syrian government forces, and as you indicate the fact that there are ragtag groups of insurgents, we don’t even know the nationality in many instances, but, with different political orientations and different agendas, gives us reason to believe that the mortar shell or the explosion could have been caused by them, by the rebels as well as by the Syrian government.

However, I think it’s imperative that we recall that just the preceding day there were 2 terrorists bombings in the Syrian city of Aleppo that killed as many as 50 people, killed as many as 50 people, wounded as many as 122, by recent accounts I have seen. This is a city very close to the Turkish border. And, ah, you know, it defies logic to, ah, to not take into account the fact that these terrorist atrocities could well have been committed by individuals who have been allowed free passage across the Turkish border.

We have to recall that no other country would tolerate this sort of armed attack from a neighboring state without some kind of action.…

…but this is something countries do: they defend their borders! And to suggest that Syria has no right to do that is evidently, as the West maintains, is first of all foolhardy and is another example of double standards.”

I don’t think the issue was that they were defending. They’re saying that Syria bombed first apparently.

Nobody in their right mind is going to suggest that the Syrian government intentionally launched mortar attacks inside Turkey. The very worst thing the Syrian government can be accused of doing is miscalculating and accidentally firing a mortal shell across the border. This is something entirely different than a planned act against the neighboring nation.

The NATO Council met last night and they have come out warning Syria to stop its “aggression against Turkey”. What do you make of this statement?

“This was an emergency meeting of North Atlantic Council, it is one of the few occasion where it has met at night, to underline the urgency of this. And the actual NATO statement includes the following passage, and this verbatim:“In the spirit of indivisibility of security and solidarity deriving from the Washington Treaty, that is the founding treaty of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the Alliance continues to stand by Turkey and demands the immediate cessation of such aggressive acts against an Ally.” That’s part of the statement. And Anders Fogh Rasmussen was also quoted, stating, his concerns about events, and I am quoting him here: “On our South-Eastern border.” That is the Turkish-Syrian border is now officially proclaimed as NATO’s South-Eastern border. Suggesting strongly, that NATO sees this as an attack against the entire military alliance as well as against Turkey….

….What was discussed at the meeting was the so-called Article 4 provision in the Washington Treaty, or what’s actually called the North Atlantic Treaty, the founding document of NATO: which states, “The parties that are NATO member states will consult together whenever in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened.” That certainly suggests that NATO once again reserves the right to respond collectively in alleged defense of Turkey.”

Would you agree that they’re just waiting for the right chance to invade Syria?

“That’s exactly it. What’s remarkable is the very day before, whatever the nature of the incident is that resulted in the deaths of the Turkish civilians near the border, the Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia, Genady Gatilov warned reporters of potential NATO intervention against Syria! The quote from him says, “In our contacts with our partners both in NATO and in the region we’ve called upon them not to look for pretext in order to carry out a military operation.” That’s a quote from the Russian Deputy Foreign Minister. And, ah, a paraphrase of his comment stated explicitly that some provocation could occur at the Turkish-Syrian border that may give NATO the green light to intervene in Syria, so, within 24 hours or perhaps less precisely such an event occurs.

[…]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-ready-to-intervene-in-syria/

October 7th, 2012, 10:36 am

 

Citizen said:

all syrian become crying !

October 7th, 2012, 10:38 am

 

zoo said:

#526 Hopeful

In which village exactly? A ‘liberated’ one? The situation varies very much from villages to villages.

Obviously you have drawn your own conclusion on how history will judge the Syrian government.
Did you miss on purpose how history will judge the mess the opposition did of the ‘revolution’ transforming it into a civil war by using sectarian slogans and bringing in Islamist terrorists to help give ‘freedom and dignity’ to Syrians now thrown in refugees camps?
I wonder on which party history will be more severe?

October 7th, 2012, 10:42 am

 
 

Hopeful said:

#529 Zoo

I did not ask about the village’s name (or sect or affiliation), and neither I nor the woman used the word “liberated”. And yes I have drawn my own conclusion. I am not interested in judging the opposition nor other countries for a simple reason: the key to a solution is not in their hand – it is in the hand of the leaders who are running Syria today. I have had enough of failed leaders who would blame everyone else but themselves for their trouble, instead of looking into the mirror and rising up to their own misgivings and shortcomings. The regime completely mismanaged the most important crisis to have shaken Syria in modern age, and I am amazed there are still people who would not admit that simple fact.

Of course the opposition is full of self-serving individuals. Of course there are Islamist terrorists in Syria today. Of course neighboring and western countries are piling up against the regime and supporting its enemies. Of course the minorities in Syria are understandably terrified for their future under a potentially hostile and conservative majority. But none of that justifies standing by a regime and a government that utterly mishandled every aspect of this crisis and led Syria to the situation that it is in today. yes plenty of blame to go around, but the puck stops with the current leadership. Period!

I know many would disagree, but that’s fine with me.

I am sad for Syria! I do not know if we’ve hit bottom yet, but I suspect we still have a way to go.

October 7th, 2012, 11:08 am

 

Citizen said:

Hundreds rally in Melbourne against foreign intervention in Syria
Hundreds of people gathered for the Hands off Syria rally in the city of Melbourne, Australia, to protest against any kind of foreign intervention. Local Australian Syrians were holding banners which read “US hands off Syria” and “No to foreign intervention”. Others were praising Syria President Assad and thanking Russia and China for their continued support. The crowd of up to 800 people also paid tribute to Maya Naser, a Press TV correspondent who was killed while reporting from Syria.

October 7th, 2012, 11:17 am

 

Citizen said:

Syrian rebels seize army outpost on Turkish border – witnesses
Syrian rebels have seized a government army outpost near the Turkish border province of Hatay, Reuters reported. According to residents in the village of Guvecci, the rebels raised the flag of the Free Syrian Army after taking control of the building. Three mortar bombs fired from Syria landed in the village on Saturday, prompting a fourth day of retaliatory fire from Turkish forces. The rounds landed on empty land and did not result in any casualties.
http://rt.com/news/line/2012-10-07/#id38574

October 7th, 2012, 11:23 am

 

Visitor said:

The Israelis have determined that the unmanned aircraft shot down two days ago is of Iranistani or hizbillati origin,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/07/242291.html

There is no need to elaborate on the objective behind such stunt by the desperate mullahs and their hizbillati stooge terrorists.

On the other hand some 1500 hizbillati and another 1500 Iranistani terrorists are operating in Syria according to Times. Their objective, of course, is to kill Sunni Syrians,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/07/242273.html

October 7th, 2012, 11:26 am

 

Tara said:

Report: Iran pulls elite army unit from Syria in wake of Tehran protests
The Sunday Times cites western intelligence officials as saying that 275 members of elite the Quds Force, aiding Assad’s fight against rebels, were flown out last week.
By Haaretz and Reuters | Oct.07, 2012 | 10:51

Iran has pulled members of a special forces unit stationed in Syria, the Sunday Times reported, in response to mounting criticism of the costs of Tehran’s involvement in the uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad.
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On Sunday, the Times reported that, amid protests, Iran has withdrawn 275 members of Unit 400, part of the Revolutionary Guard’s elite Quds Force, which had reportedly assisted Assad’s troops in the fight against opposition forces.

The Sunday Times report cited western intelligence officials as indicating that the fighters were flown out of Syria last week, adding that the report was confirmed by a relative of a member of the Unit 400.

U.S. lawmakers on Saturday indicated that they were considering expanding American economic sanctions on Iran – measures that already have helped push that country’s currency into free fall but have not yet convinced Tehran to abandon its nuclear program.

Iran’s economy has been badly hit by U.S. and European sanctions imposed to try to pressure the Iranian leadership to stop pursuing nuclear weapons. The Iranian rial lost a third of its value against the dollar in the past 10 days and as much as 80 percent since the beginning of the year.
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-iran-pulls-elite-army-unit-from-syria-in-wake-of-tehran-protests-1.468651

October 7th, 2012, 11:44 am

 

Mina said:

Hopeful
Let me just remind you that as soon as Mubarak had quit, people on Tahrir where talking about “bringing help and medics” to Libya, and more discretly in mosques of going to fight for jihad in Libya. Within a few days, they were calling for the same thing for Syria, and aljazeera brought in Qardawi who called for the head of al Asad, and Turkey organized a press conference of the exiled Syrian MB. Then al-Ar’ur joined and started to focus his program on his channel al Wisal on Syria only.
So the opposition, knowing very well how fragmented the Syrian society is and how any Iraqi situation there would degenerate into a war of gangs and mafias just as Afghanistan has witnessed for decades, can also be blamed for the mess. The problem is that some people in the opposition seem to have never been aware of history outside the borders of Syria.

October 7th, 2012, 11:54 am

 

Antoine said:

ZOO and his likes should be given over to the hands of an FSA battallion. You should be sla*ght*r*d from ear to ear , and so your entire family from 14 generations before you. Yor blood is impure you son of a sh*rmo*ta.

October 7th, 2012, 12:08 pm

 

Visitor said:

Meanwhile battles continue to rage in Syria with the criminal assadist thugs, remnants of the Nazis and the Mongolians, using multiple rocket launchers, artillery, military aircraft and tanks against residential neighborhood, hospitals and means of civilian transportation.

But, the courageous, heroic and valiant Free Syrian Army continues to make advances and gain control of territory. Another Mig fighter jet was also shot down today,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/5f8f1487-b4d0-4a73-ac9f-0c706784e956?GoogleStatID=1

October 7th, 2012, 12:13 pm

 

Tara said:

Antoine

You should be banned.

October 7th, 2012, 12:20 pm

 

Antoine said:

Tara ZOO is an ENEMY. Anyone who supports the regime is an ENEMY.

You still don’t get it ?

AN ENEMY IS AN ENEMY IS AN ENEMY.

Why do you mind when I attack the ENEMY ? We have lost 25,000 of our near and dear ones beacuse of these sc*m so we should know better. You should stop being a dove and STOP BEING POLITE TO THE ENEMY. This is a war of Annihilation and also a War of Correction, a war to correct past mistakes so it never happens again and the natural order of society, natural order of mankind can be returned.

October 7th, 2012, 12:29 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

The Sunday Times article about Iran withdrawing it’s troops from Syria:

Iran calls troops home as hardship bites
7 October 2012

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1142059.ece

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On AJE blog earlier.

Assad preparing to escape to Russia?

Syria about 2 hours ago
A former media aide of President Bashar Al Assad claims the Syrian leader is planning to escape to Russia in the event of his government’s downfall.

[…]

http://blogs.aljazeera.com/topic/syria/former-aide-assad-planning-escape-russia

October 7th, 2012, 12:37 pm

 

Antoine said:

ZOO as I said, you and your kind should give up and thrown in the towel, because WE are not about to do so, never ever. We will NOT give up our weapons and NOT stop fighting, not in a thousand years. 65 regime soldiers were killed yesterday, 34 of them were Alawis from the coast. There are only 2.5 million Alawis in Syria, how long can they sustain so many losses of young men ? The FSA draws from a population reservoir base of close to 16 million. Give it up, its a lost cause for the Alawis. They will lose every single able-bodied young man.

This is the fate of Assad’s soldiers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zohSxLmA2TY&feature=plcp

The man’s body in the above video had to be scooped up from the ground with a spoon. Any mother who sends her son to fight for Assad, should expect to see their sons in a similar condition. I ask the pro-Assad people to stop fighting a losing War and accept their fate. We ourseleves have nothing to lose and so we can keep on fighting for as long as it takes.

October 7th, 2012, 12:38 pm

 

Antoine said:

Lastly I should tell anyone who objects to my comments, that I am totally a dog of this Civil War. My total mentality and mindset has been shaped by this Civil War. I am totally radicalized by this War. So please do not expect me to say things which you want to hear.

The same goes to the Blog’s administrator(s).

October 7th, 2012, 12:44 pm

 

Johannes de Silentio said:

542 Antoine

You should definitely be banned for the duration. You’re a sick little puppy, Antoine. Your mother must have toilet trained you too early.

October 7th, 2012, 12:47 pm

 

ann said:

Hey Antoine,

Can You Please Help Identify One Of Your Near and Dear Dead African Mercenary Terrorist?

Try to imagine him with his eyes back in their sockets, that might help 😉

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c04_1349030631

October 7th, 2012, 12:54 pm

 

Antoine said:

463. GHUFRAN said:

This is the Turkish response, it is a start but it is not good enough, much of what the FSA use is stolen and confiscated weapons, Oglu statement is not adequate.
قال وزير الخارجية التركي، “أحمد داود أوغلو”، إن القذيفة، التي سقطت على بلدة “أقتشا قلعة” التركية الحدودية، متوفرة لدى الجيش السوري فقط.
وأوضح “داود أوغلو” في لقاء تلفزيوني، أنه يستغرب صدور تعليقات تعتبر أن الهجوم يمكن أن يكون قد نُفذ من جانب جهة أخرى، مضيفًا: “تركيا تعلم على أي حال من أين أتت قذيفة المدفعية، التي أطلقت إلى أراضيها عن بعد 12 كم، ومن أطلقها”.
واستطرد قائلًا: “هذه القذيفة من طراز D30، عيار 122 مم. أطلقت هذه القذيفة من مدفع D30. عنوانها معروف. هذه القذيفة متوفرة فقط لدى الجيش السوري

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This is what happens when a person who does not have any military knowledge or training, has never served in the Army ( cowardly draft-dodgeing sissies) feel entitled to make comments on military issues. They do not know that the D-30 is a 122 mm towed artillery howitzer , which means it can be transported only by special heavy trucks and transports, or by aircraft. It is not possible to move this heavy equipment by human hands. Not a single FSA unit has any of these heavy artillery pieces, it defies logic for the FSA to possess any of these as it is more of a liability than an asset for a guerilla Army without air cover.

Ghufran is a closet regime supporter and should be treated as such, that will blow his cover, and he should stop trying to act neutral and revert to being an online shabbih.

October 7th, 2012, 12:58 pm

 

Mina said:

Transition in the making? Hopefully…
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-suggests-that-syrias-vice-president-replace-assad.aspx?PageID=238&NID=31822&NewsCatID=338

Will be hard to explain that to Antoine and his friends.

October 7th, 2012, 1:01 pm

 

Antoine said:

Shut up Reem Haddad, as I said, its a losing War for you and your kind, so surrender before its too late. We will not stop, and you have nothing at your disposal that can defeat us or stop us from fighting. If you continue to insist on keep up the fight, this Civil war will put even the Lebanese to shame, and we don’t care at all, we are fighting against a fundamental injustice, a fundamental disturbance tio the natural human order.

We have literally millions of people who can be transformed into fanatic and determined soldiers, even the Lebanese Civil war will look tame and peaceful. It already looks so.

October 7th, 2012, 1:04 pm

 

Antoine said:

MINA we hold the keys and the balance, as long as there are people willing to fight, nothing can take place in Syria. The only way to peace is by fulfilling our demands, the demands of those who are holding the guns and doing the fighting. You know well what those demands are.

October 7th, 2012, 1:08 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#536 Mina

Again I am not saying the opposition is blameless, and neighboring countries are blameless. I am simply not interested in debating their role. I am focusing on the people in charge of Syria!

What you said was correct, so…. Put yourself in the regime’s shoes in March 2011: your bitter enemy, the Muslim Brotherhood, seems to be gaining power in neighboring countries (and you have a dark bloody history with them). Your young people seem to be inspired by the wave of newly-found voices of freedom sweeping the region. Your poor citizens are ready to revolt because they have no hope in their future in the face of a corrupt system that seems to be unable to fix itself. Sectarian tendencies are flickering across your country. You have a problem with legitimacy because you did not come to power via fair and square elections, and the western powers are monitoring your every move on the hope that you will make a mistake that will cost you your local support among your people. So What do you do? You tell a newspaper that your countrymen are not ready for democracy, and then you launch your most-hated security apparatus to arrest, intimidate and torture, and finally after weeks of silence, you show up on TV to invalidate the people’s feelings by telling them this is all a conspiracy against Syria and you further humiliate them by having the crooks and clowns in the parliament stand up to praise your wisdom and demand that you be the president of the world?

Would you have done the same if you were running the show? Really?

October 7th, 2012, 1:11 pm

 

Halabi said:

Here’s an effort that menhebaks would never do – helping innocent civilians live. Of course they see refugees as traitors who should be shot and their babies slaughtered in order to stave off the rise of Sunni barbarians in the future.

AFP – First camp for refugees in Syria rises tent by tent

QAH, Syria — Bulldozers level the ground and volunteers brave stormy winds to erect tent by tent what engineers say is the first initiative to build a refugee camp inside war-torn Syrian territory.

Contractors say it will be the biggest camp for displaced Syrians in the country, and it is being built near the Turkish border in the northwest village of Qah where thousands fleeing the war will begin to live from Sunday.

Many are currently camping out in schools or staying with relatives, the poorest even living among olive groves in the region of Atme, a Syrian rebel rear base along the frontier.

“I was struck by the plight of these displaced” people, says Sheikh Omar Rahman, a 30-year-old imam who has been involved in the project and is set to be the future director of the camp.

Together with the fundraising activities of several locals who support the revolution against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, Sheikh Omar managed to raise the initial money.

“This project is a local initiative carried out with the financial support of donors from Libya,” he says, but adds that “all contributions are welcome.”

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/first-camp-for-refugees-in-syria-rises-tent-by-tent-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=31862&NewsCatID=352

October 7th, 2012, 1:17 pm

 

Mina said:

RT and AFP report a huge explosion in central Damascus.

October 7th, 2012, 1:20 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

New post up.

October 7th, 2012, 2:33 pm

 

admir said:

456. VISITOR said:

“Latakia is now getting closer to being liberated followed by all of the west coast soon.

Looking forward to visit the coast in the near future.”

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yes and central syria (especially homs) is being liberated by the syrian army:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/oct/08/turkey-syria-border-clashes-live#block-5072a748c0e361310bc6c9b1

not to mention that latakia is being liberated by both the syrian arab army and the majority of its inhabitants (alawite popular comittees)

Looking forward to visit the coast and homs region in the near future.

October 13th, 2012, 8:41 pm

 

Rebecca Olesen said:

And here I thought the problem was that the ‘rebels’ are killing all the Christians and stealing their homes and belongings. But it’s ‘all gooood’ in Islam, right?

Everybody knows the ‘rebels’ are jihadi terrorists, the majority of whom are NOT from Syria. stop lying.

Pakistani’s, Afghani, Saudi, BALKAN, Iraqi. Even HAMAS is fighting in Syria AGAINST THE REBELS, and that pretty much says it all. If even a crap propaganda group like Hamas is not only against the ‘fake syrian army’ they are fighting side by side with Christians to expel them; they must be the WORST most disgusting savages on the planet.

I already have SEEN the videos of how they kill christians then lie and say they were terrorists with guns. Inject diesel oil into the veins of a christian civilian while saying ‘die slowly christian dog’.

Anyone who supports the terrorist animals will get what they deserve if they obtain power. And that will be ‘no freedom’ constant violence and fear; simply talking bad about them leads to torture death; poverty; chaos; torture. This is what you have to look forward to if the ”rebels” (who are not even from syria) seize power.

Women, look forward to dialing the clock back a few hundred years.
Non muslims – look forward to death or expulsion.
Kurds – death. Any kurd complaining about Assad obviously has no idea how they are treated in Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Because if he DID understand how bad it is for kurds elsewhere, he would pledge undying loyalty to Assad immediately. When those turks get their hands on Syria, the turks will be fully eliminated.
Men – no freedom to speak, complete government control, corrupt soldiers and police, loss of security, finances, happiness and control of your own destiny.

Look at Libya – are you even aware how many tens of thousands of people they have murdered and tortured since the ‘fake rebels’ took control? Imagine bulldozers pushing mounds of bodies into holes. Those lunatics even searched out and found Gadaffi’s old ‘amazon bodyguard squad’ from like 20 years ago and savagely/brutally tortured and murdered them. I saw photos of their dead bodies, brutalized with hands bound – it was disgusting.

December 30th, 2012, 6:05 pm

 

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