The End of the Line: A Microbus Map of Damascus – by Matthew McNaught

We are proud to post the following beautiful reflection by Matthew McNaught. Those who have lived in Damascus (or other Syrian cities) will relate to the pervasive presence of the “service” (serv-EES; plural ser-a-VEES). Personal accounts like this remind us of the Syria we love and miss. Matthew’s thoughtful celebration of the Syrian microbus is touching and helps us realize that even a transportation system can be an unexpected cultural treasure. Matthew maintains a blog called Ibn Sifr.

The End of the Line: A Microbus Map of Damascus

by Matthew McNaught

 

1.

 

 

Here is a Syrian microbus, more commonly known as the servees or micro:

 

Syrian service

 

As you can see, it doesn’t look like anything special. A white box on four wheels, about ten seats, a sliding door on the side, a sign on the roof with the route written in large letters. But three years after leaving Damascus, the servees is often on my mind.

I went to Damascus at the start of 2007 with a plan to study Arabic for a year. The city won me over, and I decided to stay on. I worked there as an English teacher until the end of 2009.

Some days, I still have pangs of nostalgia for the servees. When I am waiting at the bus stop on a wet Southampton morning, for instance, watching the back of the bus I’ve just missed as it disappears around the corner. When I look at the timetable and see I have thirty minutes till the next one. This is the kind of time when I indulge myself: I imagine for a moment a battered white servees sailing down the street towards me. I see myself flagging it down, pulling open the clunking slide door with a mumbled salaamu ‘alaykum, and riding the micro again.

Riding the micro is one of the most efficient ways I have known of getting around a city. It came regularly, responding to demand at busy times but also running late into the night. You could flag one down wherever you were, and you could get off wherever you wanted. They drove fast, weaving through traffic at bum-clenching speed. They were also absurdly cheap. When I first arrived, you could ride the servees five times for the price of a falafel sandwich. Sometime in 2009, the fare doubled, but it remained so cheap that even regular rides failed to make the slightest dent on my wallet. But it was not just the practical advantages that made me love the servees. It also had less tangible charms.

 

2.

 

Riding the servees was not easy for beginners. You first had to be initiated into its mysterious ways. I met the first hurdle when I discovered, to my surprise, that there were no maps of the different routes. There were no timetables, no central ticket offices. There was nothing but the minibuses themselves, snaking and swerving through busy streets, each heading in a winding line towards the final destination painted on the sign on its roof. The routes seemed to have always been there, as if they had emerged organically, like sheep-tracks or the paths of migratory birds. It seemed that every Damascene carried a microbus map in their head, like the knowledge of a London cabbie. But as a foreigner, I had to construct my own map, one line at a time.

In the beginning, my mental map of Damascus was a stubby little thing. It was a Lonely Planet Damascus, a wandering line from the ancient souqs of Old Damascus to the hotels and banks of the modern city centre, punctuated by famous ice-cream parlours, cheap restaurants and historic bathhouses. It was enchanting, but I wanted to see more. When I figured out how to navigate the servees lines, the larger city began to open out in front of me.

 

Syrian service

 

My servees apprenticeship began outside Bab Sharqi, the eastern gate of the old city. The first servees I took was the Jobar-Mezze line, which took me through the heart of the modern city to my Arabic classes at Damascus University. I would stand at the edge of the pavement, beneath the ancient stone tower. Nancy Ajram, the botox-enhanced Lebanese pop star, towered over me on a giant billboard across the road, seductively enjoying an ice cold Coca-Cola. The main road roared with several lanes of traffic that skirted around the Old City walls. The bend in the road gave me about 5 seconds to identify the right servees after it came speeding around the corner.

This was, I discovered, an excellent exercise in speed reading. As a beginner, you don’t read Arabic, you decipher it, picking apart each word letter by letter, brain straining and lips moving. But when the word is hurtling towards you on four wheels, you do not have that luxury. You have to be primed, ready for its shape; the swooping arms of the waw, raa and zaa, the dotted cap of the taa marbuta. With time, the names of the various servees routes came to occupy a special place in my brain, their shapes burned into my memory as some of the first Arabic words that I read as a native speaker reads — Ghouta, Qaboun, Midan-Sheikh, Duma, Barzeh, Harasta, Yarmouk, Jobar-Mezze.

 

Streets of Damascus

 

 
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For its passengers, the servees was simply a convenient way of getting from A to B. But it was also, inadvertently at least, a kind of meeting place. A place where Syrians of all ages and backgrounds came together for a moment, in an awkward shuffle of elbows and knees, before heading off their separate ways.

For this reason, riding the servees was an education for a foreigner like me. It seemed like all Syria was there. There would be manual workers in dusty work clothes alongside civil servants with shirts and briefcases. Chattering college girls, some in grey overcoats and tight white hijabs, others in jeans with their hair down. Old men in thaubs counting on prayer chains, and large housewives in black abayas with hijabs pinned above the chin; teardrop frames for pale faces.

The seats of the servees would soon fill up, but it seemed that a sacred rule of servees drivers was that there was always room for one more. As passengers, it was up to us to find imaginative ways of tessellating. It was times like this that reminded me that the Turkish name for the servees was ‘dolmuş’, meaning ‘stuffed’. Squatting awkwardly on the slippery hump above the back wheel, tightly pressed between one man’s legs and another man’s bottom, it was hard to dispel the feeling that we were the meaty stuffing in a tightly-packed aubergine.

 

Syrian service interior

Service interior – Photo: Matthew Barber/Syria Comment

 

But on other days, I would be lucky enough to find my favourite spot — the window seat directly behind the driver. Here I could lean my head sleepily against the window and stretch my legs (or at least not have them jammed up against my chin). If I was lucky, I would get to listen to the driver telling some anecdote to the passenger in the front seat. I rarely understood much, but I enjoyed the familiar phrases that would pepper the stories: I swear to God. By the prophet. You’ve gotta be joking. I’m serious, man.

 

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On an English bus, the passenger is a passive creature. The rules are simple: you pay your fare, you sit and you mind your own business. But riding the servees felt like joining a fleeting community.

Despite the chaos and the bustle, the servees was often a place of small kindnesses and civility. Men would give up their seats for women and the elderly. People would help the frailer passengers on and off. And there were rules pertaining to specific places in the servees. The person sitting nearest the door, for instance, would make sure that it was properly shut after every stop. And the one place I learned to avoid was the aisle seat behind the driver.

The first time I sat there, I was shocked to find myself bombarded with coins and notes from other passengers. I felt a rising panic as a woman pressed a 25 lira piece into my hand, saying ‘two fives’. A man then handed me a 50 lira note and a 5 lira piece, muttering ‘three fives and a five’. I realised that the passenger sitting there had the job of receiving fares from passengers, handing them over to the driver and making sure everyone got the right change passed back. I was up for language challenges, but a maths problem and a language problem wrapped up in one was more than my poor brain could take. A kind woman next to me noticed my bewilderment and sorted out the mess, and I made a mental note to never sit in that seat again.

 

Interior of Syrian microbus

Any visual impairment? Photo: Matthew Barber/Syria Comment

 

Drivers were remarkably relaxed about when you paid the fare, as long as it reached them before you arrived at your destination. However, when I rode the service with Syrian friends, I soon learned that they would go to great lengths to stop me from paying my own fare. This appeared to be a common Syrian trait; I once saw two elderly ladies on a servees getting into a physical altercation over who paid. I let my friends win this battle a few times, but soon I learned to be as ruthless as them. I would prepare the change for both of us in the palm of my hand before the servees arrived, ready to make a lunge for the driver on the way to our seat.

Learning the language of the servees was also essential. As there were no fixed stops, you had to shout to the driver when you wanted to get off, something that initially made me very anxious. The first time I tried, I half-shouted to the driver from the back seat in a formal phrase straight from my Modern Standard Arabic textbook: ‘uriidu an anzil hunaa!’ When he didn’t respond, I repeated myself, shouting louder each time until he eventually pulled over. For some reason, this display prompted many stifled giggles in my fellow passengers. I only realised the reason for this when a Syrian friend told me that it was roughly comparable to yelling ‘VERILY, I WISH TO ALIGHT!’ on an English bus. After this, I quickly learned how to do it like a Damascene, with the standard phrase: ‘al yamiin!’ meaning ‘on the right!’.

But one day as I was riding the servees, I heard a man say something slightly different to the normal phrase. He was a big man, thick-set and stubbled, and he crouched in the aisle. When we approached his stop, he shouted ‘nezzilni, bullah!‘. It meant, literally, ‘let me off, by God’. There was nothing particularly unusual about the words in themselves, but there was something about the phrase that pleased me in some indefinable way. It might have been his accent, the gruff bark and falling intonation of a Damascene working man. It might have been the assertiveness of it, or its casual grandeur, invoking the name of God in order to get off a minibus. But to me, it said: here’s a man who knows exactly where he’s going, and exactly where he’s getting off.

And so I adopted this phrase. The first few times, it came out in a timid adolescent croak, and attracted some odd looks. But with time and practice, I liked to think, it developed into something approximating that man’s gravel tones.

 

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Once I had overcome these minor obstacles, I couldn’t help feeling a small buzz of mastery from riding the micro. I flagged them down with confidence and climbed on with a spring in my step. I would pity my ex-pat friends who relied on taxis. After a while, I even dared to take the accountant’s seat behind the driver. And when we approached my destination, I would bellow “let me off, by God!” and the driver would pull to the edge of the road without so much as a backwards glance.

I came to enjoy the variety between the micros. Some micros were tatty, all rusted metal and threadbare upholstery. A few were fitted out with plush interiors, multicoloured lights and thumping sound systems. Some had names written on the back window: princess, beautiful, light of my life. On some, we listened to the recitation of the Quran, the sonorous voice drenched in holy reverb. On others, it was rural debke music, with its abrasive pounding beats and the manic electric organ that sounded like an overdriven Casiotone with extra black keys.

With time, my microbus map grew to become a tangle of intersecting lines that joined up different parts of the city that I knew. The Mezze Autostrad line took me to my friend Jawad’s place, where we would sit on the balcony of his high rise flat, drinking tea and eating lentil and rice mujaddara discussing the confounding mysteries of Arabic grammar and the opposite sex. The Yarmouk line took me to the home of my Arabic teacher, Mazin, whose legendary parties would go on into the early hours. The Jeramana line took me to the hole-in-the-wall Iraqi bakery where I got my supplies of the pitta-like samoon and the crispy tanoori flat-bread, and I would ride the Midan line to some of the oldest and best restaurants in Damascus, famous for their grilled meats and fuul beans.

 

Under the Jesr Ra'is

Under the Jesr Ra’is

 

The Rukneddine line took me to one of my favourite places, where the houses climbed steeply up the rocky slopes of Mount Qassioun. I would ascend the steps past teetering buildings to the path that led to an ancient shrine that looked out over Damascus. Heading up in the early evening, I would watch the sun set as the call to prayer from a hundred mosques hung over the city like a fog.

The micro lines showed me a city of contrast; from wide tree-lined streets to densely built-up working class neighbourhoods. They showed me a city of diversity; from conservative Muslim areas to places rich in minorities; Druze, Ismaelis, Christians and Mandeans from Iraq.

I noticed that you could not get everywhere on the micro; there were blackspots. No servees went to the complex of expensive restaurants off the airport road or the swimming pools and leisure centres on the road to Beirut. They were places for people with cars. And it was unusual to see a servees in the high-class neighbourhoods of Maliki and Abu Roumaneh, with their jewellers, designer shops and luxury apartments with armed guards. Micros skirted around the edges and along the main thoroughfares, but rarely ventured inside.

When friends came to visit, I would insist on getting the servees rather than the taxi. ‘I’ll show them the real Damascus’, I would think to myself, and proudly take them to places outside of the usual tourist trail. It took me almost three years to feel like I really knew Damascus. But in the three years since I left, I have begun to realise how much was missing from my map.

 

 

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The last servees that I saw was on the news. It was torn open like a tin can. There was a bomb near the President Bridge, one of the main microbus hubs in the centre of town. The servees had been gutted by flames and its seats were wrenched apart by the blast. There were shoes scattered on the concrete outside.

 

Service destroyed in Damascus car bombing

Service destroyed in Damascus car bombing

 

Early on in the uprising, news of every bombing, massacre and military assault left me with a lingering knot of dread and sadness. But there came a point where the images of destruction began to lose their power. They hit my visual cortex with a numb familiarity, just one more item on the news parade: here is shiny-faced Cameron and his hand gestures. Here is George Clooney on a red carpet. And from Syria: shrouded bodies, weeping mothers, and the ragged skylines of ruined streets. The images were horrific in a distant way, but somehow, the scale of destruction had become too great for me to process. It was as if a parallel Syria had emerged: Syria the news story, the conflict, the humanitarian crisis. Meanwhile, the uneventful, everyday Damascus that I had loved remained intact in my memory, as if I could return to it at any moment.

 

Burned-out service, Photo: AP/SANA

Burned-out service – Photo: AP/SANA

 

Service burns behind Syrian security agents carrying a man at site of car bombing near the Baath party headquarters and Russian Embassy in central Damascus, Feb 21, 2013, SANA-AP

Service burns behind Syrian security agents carrying a man at site of car bombing near the Baath party headquarters and Russian Embassy in central Damascus, Feb 21, 2013 – Photo: SANA-AP

 

The image of the servees cut through this. It captured the moment when a familiar and mundane world turned hellish. A normal day: a school run, a commute, an errand. Mumbled greetings. Three warm bodies squeezed into each row of seats. The faint smells of aftershave and sweat, washing powder and cigarette smoke. Coins passed from palm to palm across the rows to the driver. In Syria this normality had seemed as solid as the concrete beneath our feet. The photo showed how fragile it had become.

 

Service damaged in Barzeh car bombing

Service damaged in Barzeh car bombing – Photo AFP/Getty Images

 

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When the uprising first reached the capital in 2011, I noticed something odd as I followed the news. The first areas in Damascus that rose up against the regime sounded strangely familiar, although I had never visited them: Jobar, Douma, Barzeh, Ghouta, Qaboun, Harasta. It took a moment before it hit me. They were the names that I had seen every day on the roofs of passing microbuses. They were the destinations of the routes; places on the outer limits of the city’s sprawling suburbs. Some of them were lines that I had ridden regularly within the city. But I didn’t have any friends or students in these places. There were no famous restaurants or beauty spots there. I’d never had a reason to ride the servees to the end of the line.

When I had taken the coach to other cities in Syria, I had occasionally glimpsed some of these areas out of the window. It had surprised me how far the urban sprawl stretched, a sea of grey in all directions. Some areas, like Douma, were cities in themselves, with their own souqs and parks and upmarket neighbourhoods. But as a general rule, the further we got from the centre of Damascus, the more the buildings became shabby and densely built up; naked concrete and breezeblock, unfinished roofs bristling with metal rods. The municipal services didn’t appear to reach this far; some streets were unpaved and rubbish piled up on corners. Why did the uprising reach the city through these outer suburbs? It might be suggested that the Sunni Muslim areas were the ones that rose up first. There is no denying the ugly sectarianism that has risen to the surface in this conflict. But most neighbourhoods in Damascus are dominated by Sunni Muslims. There must have been more to it than that.

When I mentioned this to Rami, a Syrian-Palestinian friend who now lives in the UK, he said that this was no coincidence. ‘This is not a war of politics, or religion, or sectarianism,’ he said. ‘It’s a war of poverty.’

 

 

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In the years I lived in Damascus, nothing much seemed to change. I had noticed the doubling of the servees fare along with an increase in the price of mazout heating oil. The price of bread also went up, and I was vaguely aware of a drought in the countryside from occasional news headlines. But none of this had impacted my Damascus. Looking back, the 5 lira increase in fare had reached me like a small tremor from a distant earthquake.

It wasn’t until I left Damascus that I realised the scale of the drought. Between 2007 and 2009, it had displaced 1.5 million people. Countless internal migrants had come to Damascus, and most lived in the outer suburbs of the city, where the housing was cheapest, and where they remained invisible to most people in the centre. These neighbourhoods were home to those who felt most keenly the grotesque imbalance of power and wealth in the country. They were the people who protested first, and who first faced the brutal reaction of the regime.

I was not blind to the poverty in Syria. I saw the contrast between rich and poor, but it was on the periphery of my vision. I didn’t see how far it stretched beyond the horizon. My Damascus felt normal but it was an anomaly. It was an island of relative plenty in a ocean of poverty.

 

Syrian boy sleeps on street

A boy sleeps on the street in a southern, poorer area of Damascus’ Old City. Photo: Matthew Barber/Syria Comment, 2010 – (As I passed the boy in the early morning, two nearby boys were pointing and laughing. “What’s so funny?” I asked. One replied chuckling: “He doesn’t have a house!”)

 

The poor neighbourhoods were not the only places missing from my Damascus map. There were dark places in the city. Since speaking to Syrian friends now living in the safety of the UK, I have realised how their cities were haunted by places whose very names were a gut-punch of dread. Certain neighbourhoods such as Kafer Souseh, Adawi, Mezze and Barzeh were infamous for the security centres they housed; the prisons and interrogation rooms of the labyrinthine branches of the mukhabarat. These places meant torture, indefinite detention without trial, humiliation and helplessness. When I lived in Damascus, I passed heavily guarded military buildings most days. I may have looked at their armed guards and wondered vaguely for a moment about what was inside, but the wondering didn’t last long. These places didn’t occupy my city the way they did for Syrians.

 

 

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The conflict in Syria cannot be oversimplified; it has become a sectarian civil war and an international proxy war as well as a local struggle against tyranny. But at its heart, it seems that the Syrian regime was a dictatorship that relied on old methods to deal with a new reality. Dictatorship depends on a precarious balancing act; finding the right combination of bread and terror to keep a people pacified. If the population are scared enough, a certain amount of hunger and hardship can be tolerated. But if the hunger becomes unbearable, then an escalation in terror is not enough to keep people silent. The balance is lost, and there is no turning back.

I never foresaw the intensity of the popular uprising in Syria, or the brutality of the government response. But the conflict could only be understood in light of those places that were absent from my map; those dark spots of brutality and the invisible band of poverty that encircled the city. With these blindspots, the unrest and violence seemed alien and surreal. Perhaps it is not surprising how many Damascenes swallow the regime propaganda that blames all unrest on foreign mercenaries and terrorists.

 

 

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I went for a drink with Kareem, a musician friend from Damascus who now lives in the UK. I told him that I had been writing about the Damascus map I had drawn from my rides on the servees. We reminisced about the points where our maps converged. His fifth floor flat in Rukneddine where I had lived with him for a month. The bar in the Jewish quarter of the Old City where he played jazz piano every Tuesday, while I drank Lebanese beer and made a meal of the complimentary peanuts and carrot sticks.

Kareem told me that I was not the only one with a limited map. He had lived in Damascus his whole life, he said, but had grown up ignorant of much of the country outside his neighbourhood. It was only when the uprising started that he gave much thought to the people of Idlib, Der’aa or Deir Azzour. For all the destruction and death of the last few years, he said, peoples’ eyes have at least been opened to a wider reality, a Syria beyond their own.

It is not much of a silver lining: A move from the learned helplessness of a life under dictatorship to the anarchy and terror of civil war, with a brighter future still a long way off. Our conversation tapered off with a familiar refrain: allah kareem, God is generous. It is an endlessly useful phrase in Syria, employed to resolve conversations about sad and terrible things on a note of hopefulness. But over the second pint of bitter in a sports bar in Reading, it rang somewhat hollow.

On the train home, I mulled over what Kareem had said. In a dictatorship, I thought, it takes a certain amount of guts, even recklessness, to be curious about the city beyond your own map. Selective vision can be a survival strategy. But I realized that, living in the UK, it takes a lot less than a police state to instill the same kind of incuriosity.

 

 

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These days I watch Damascus through the news and the scrolling updates of Facebook friends. I watch as the BBC and CNN teach us its geography one massacre at a time; scattered flashpoints of destruction on an otherwise empty map. The slaughter in the suburbs has escalated from bullets to mortars to Mig strikes. Meanwhile, we learn the names of new neighbourhoods as the violence moves towards the centre: Kafer Souseh, Mazraa, Bab Touma, Saba’a Bahraat.

Residents of Damascus are learning to live with a map that is constantly shifting. My friend from Yarmouk tells me how, in the southern suburbs, the battle-lines creep backwards and forwards from day to day, from Tadamon to Hajr al Aswad to Yarmouk. A mental map is no longer enough; on Facebook, maps are circulated that help people navigate an increasingly dangerous city. In late 2012, a a friend shared a map that showed sniper locations in Yarmouk, red spots with an arc indicating the sniper’s field of vision. There are maps that show the location of the hundreds of checkpoints in Damascus. Some maps mark areas controlled by the Free Army and the regime, while other maps talk about the Syrian army and terrorists. As the sectarian divide deepens, the safe places on people’s maps are increasingly determined by the name and birthplace on their ID cards. Whatever the future holds for Damascus, the city is dramatically and irreversibly changing.

Kareem’s family live in a middle-class neighbourhood close to the centre. For now, it is a relatively safe neighbourhood. He told me how children were being taken out of private schools on the outskirts of the city and put in the local government schools, to avoid travelling in areas vulnerable to kidnapping. Some of the same servees routes are running, but lines are interrupted by checkpoints, and are stopped for days at a time when military operations are launched against restive suburbs. Those who oppose the regime but happen to live in these regime-controlled areas live in a state of painful ambivalence. True, it is not as painful as being crushed by mortars and SCUD missiles, but it is painful enough. When you live in an embattled enclave of a power that you oppose, surrounded by destruction and anarchy, what is it that you hope and pray for?

 

 

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I liked to ride the servees because it felt like a microcosm of life in Syria. It was a glimpse of a social fabric, held together with courtesies and customs and unspoken agreements. But seeing Syria unravel, I realize how much a calm surface can obscure.

Back in the UK, the stability we enjoy here feels less immutable. The UK is not Syria, but history gives us too many cautionary tales. Where there is growing inequality, where there is a rising tide of hunger and poverty, there is eventually a tipping point. Meanwhile, holes are cut in the social safety net with every new budget announcement. Waves of austerity measures concentrate power in fewer hands.

These days, I take the bus every morning. I hang on to the handrail with the other commuters and try to avoid eye contact. At some point in the journey, my gaze wanders over to the route map above the window. It occurs to me, at times, how small my city is. My Southampton map delineates my own little kingdom: where I shop, where I work, where I drink coffee, the houses of friends. If anything, here I am even more blind to the city beyond my own. I lack the foreigner’s curiosity that drove me to discover Damascus. Some mornings, for a moment, this bothers me. I have lived here for years, but I have never taken the bus to the end of the line.
 

END

 

Syrian microbus / service

Comments (1,026)


Jim Reilly said:

A piece of memory and reflection that is both sad and beautiful. Thanks to Matthew McNaught for writing it, and to Syria Comment for publishing it.

July 2nd, 2013, 7:58 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Matthew McNaught,

Thank you for your sad article about the latest failed arab state and the hero “leader” responsible for it all.

If only one of your bus drivers were president instead.

July 2nd, 2013, 8:28 am

 

Ryan said:

A requiem and a warning. Great article.

July 2nd, 2013, 8:48 am

 

Tara said:

Mathew,

Outstanding piece!

“Perhaps it is not surprising how many Damascenes swallow the regime propaganda that blames all unrest on foreign mercenaries and terrorists.”

It is still ingrained fear in my opinion, being a Damascene, I understand us well.  We were born with fear, and may die in fear.  Fear of brutality and fear of losing privileges and a mixture of cowardice and learned helplessness that is topped by an apathy and acceptance of the status quo being destined by God as the saying goes
أمشي الحيط الحيط وأول  يا ربي السترة    

July 2nd, 2013, 9:17 am

 

Syrialover said:

And the state of mind is so beautifully expressed by you too TARA in #3.

July 2nd, 2013, 9:47 am

 

Aron Lund said:

This is an absolutely wonderful text. Outstanding.

July 2nd, 2013, 9:53 am

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

One man’s wonderful text needs to be considered with another man’s text. Such as the following attributed to a Mr. Daniel Pipes an American/Israeli.

He has been quoted by a Veteran Website reporter as recommending that:-

“Western governments should support the malign dictatorship of Bashar Assad.

Here is my logic for this reluctant suggestion: Evil forces pose less danger to us when they make war on each other.

This keeps them focused locally, and it prevents either one from emerging victorious and thereby posing a greater danger.

Western powers should guide enemies to a stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong their conflict.”

July 2nd, 2013, 10:05 am

 

revenire said:

It really looks like Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood enemy of Syria, is going to go. I am very happy.

Hopefully this will help bring a peaceful settlement to Syria.

July 2nd, 2013, 11:11 am

 

Citizen said:

Assad-busters: At a secret base in Jordan, U.S Special forces are training Syrian rebels for war…but loads fear sleeper cells in their nation will wreak a terrible revenge
8,000 military personnel are behind Operation Eager Lion training exercise
Arms from the West would have to travel through Jordan to get to Syria
It is believed this could enrage Assad, who may well seek revenge
Jordan’s Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour insists that US forces are not preparing for a war in Syria
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351622/Assad-busters-At-secret-base-Jordan-U-S-Special-forces-training-Syrian-rebels-war–loads-fear-sleeper-cells-nation-wreak-terrible-revenge.html
*****
from the other side : no problem seconded **,*** Syrian eagles to train here!
http://youtu.be/pM6ljOmhZ_U?t=1m53s
http://youtu.be/j3aWrKV1DM0?t=2m53s
syrian !always you are welcome!

July 2nd, 2013, 11:40 am

 

Citizen said:

Mr. Sens. Chuck Schumer (DN.Y.)(russian-poland origin ) and John McCain (R-Ariz.)To drink Atlantic!

July 2nd, 2013, 11:54 am

 

Citizen said:

schizophrenic Schumer: Russia ‘should pay a price’ for harboring NSA leaker Snowden

July 2nd, 2013, 12:12 pm

 

ghufran said:

The truth is Hafez alassad generation of army and security alawi officers produced tens of thousands of foot soldiers who were instrumental in building a culture of corruption and oppression that is now installed in the psyche of most Syrians who either accept it, fear it or are part of it, only few did something about it. Those officers, more than sectarian sheikhs, are responsible for much of the resentment Sunnis have against alawites, however ,what is missing in the argument is a recognition that alawites could not have done this without the active participation of sunni merchants and sunni families like the Tlass in Rastan, many families in Daraa and a significant chunk of arab tribes in Raqqa and Dayr Azzour. Those of you who chose to only look at one side of the picture are myopic by choice and dishonest at heart.

July 2nd, 2013, 12:17 pm

 

zoo said:

Ghufran

Did you forget that historically the Sunnis preferred to avoid the army to concentrate on making business and enriching themselves?
It is the poor alawites ‘peasants’ as they are described by the Sunnis, who could finally get a job in the army that gave them a living and some dignity.

Now the rich Sunnis whine, play the victims and talk about their “fear”. Maybe it was time they feel it as I wonder if they ever thought about the fear of the ‘peasant’ who could not feed his family and that the Sunnis exploited shamelessly.

If course the ‘bourgeois’ fear is far more noisy…

July 2nd, 2013, 12:28 pm

 

Tara said:

Ghufran,

Have we ever denied it? Have we not shown as much contempt to Sunni shabeehas as much as to their Alawis counterpart?

The Sunnis were as instrumental in supporting the reign of terror as the Alawites.

We also have not denied the historical injustice that has befallen on the Alawi “peasants” but how long we should pay a price of crimes we, the revolution generation, have not committed?

July 2nd, 2013, 12:50 pm

 

Alan said:

Washington is beginning to realize the impotence of the Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt, but Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not ready to call it quits. If they do than democracy can knock at their back door. The United States along with Saudi Arabia has already staged the change of power in Qatar to save the Wahhabi regime from the imminent fall. And Riyadh is up next.

But will the United States and Europe approve of the military dictatorship in Egypt, where all the civil rights are to be oppressed, which will be the inevitable result of the military intervention in the current crisis. For this reason the army is pausing its reaction, they must be consulting the major Western countries. They seem ready to react but there must be a more serious reason than the Sunday clashes. For there is a point of no return which, if once crossed, will lead to the civil war. The military seem to be quite determined to let nobody cross that point, no matter what will Washington think. There is an old saying – “Charity begins at home”, so there’s no use waiting that the Egyptian armed forces will stare at their own country falling to pieces, as the Libian army did.

July 2nd, 2013, 1:06 pm

 

Citizen said:

سني علوي شيعي مسيحي !!! قز القرد ! مافي كلام تاني ينقال غير هاد؟

July 2nd, 2013, 1:11 pm

 

revenire said:

“The revolution generation” doesn’t exist. It is a fiction of the Internet.

July 2nd, 2013, 1:23 pm

 

don said:

Morsi and his backward Islamist Muslim Brotherhood lost all legitimacy, and need to step down now, their fall not if, but when.

Something has been broken in Egypt, and it won’t be put back together perfectly immediately, even after Morsi and his thugs are out.

July 2nd, 2013, 1:29 pm

 
 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

Beautiful text,thank you Matthew, you made me laugh twice,
While I rarely get in those busses I as a Syrian ,but immigrant to US ,I went through some of what you said, the ride is very cheap,5 lira,ten cents, gets you from one end of Damascus to the other end, To come back from Ain Fijeh to Damascus was 15 lira, I once was in a resort area in the suburb of Tartous heading back to Tartous, I hired the whole minibus ,we were three, it costed 150 lira, an hour drive for three dollar.
I always was surprised how minibus always has changes,even for hundred lira bill,while Taxis they never has changes.
Riding a big bus from Antakya to Damascus was more fun than ever, people sing, dance in the bus,has freedom of moving around,while in taxi you can not move.
Minibusses run on Mazoot,Diesel,with noise and bad odor,they are not allowed in maliki,mini busses are always quickly available,just wait a minute and another one will come,they are always crowded.
those who get in the mini buses are real syrians ,not snubby.

July 2nd, 2013, 1:43 pm

 

Citizen said:

President Obama has 200 troops on standby to be deployed “to protect the American embassy”, if need be. But looking at the crowd size in the satellite images from Egypt, these 200 troops will be no match for thousands of enraged Egyptian citizens, no matter how good their weaponry may be. 🙂

July 2nd, 2013, 1:48 pm

 
 

Observer said:

At least Morsi is not calling it a world wide conspiracy and fueled by terrorists from abroad and the millions demonstrating have not been met with 240 mm Rocket Lauchers.

This is actually a glimpse of how Syria will be after the disappearence of the current regime. It may have a coalition of Islamists taking over only to fail miserably for providing solutions.

People want solutions and are finished being afraid and cowed.

Also this generational hatred being carried over and over from generation to generation over real or imagined grievances need to end. Who cares what happened 1400 years ago? Who cared if the crusaders practiced cannibalism to terrorize the people? It happened so very long ago.

Now we have the Islamists surrounding Zahra and Nouboul in the north, I sure hope we will not see any massacres as the regime keeps pounding Damascus and Homs.

I read a very differnt RT arabic as they are reporting on regime massacres and regime troops being killed and news from the opposition and a toning down of attacks on KSA and Qatar.

Bogdanoff says no conference before the fall.

This is interesting.

As for the Service piece it is priceless. I can attest that taking one one day I could actually with a glimpse into the eye of the driver convey when I wanted to be dropped off. No words exchanged just a look meant everything.

A tribute to the most intelligent and most resourceful people on earth having to live under the brutality and incompetence of the ninconpoos in charge today.

What a shame that in Egypt they can demonstrate without being afraid of 152 mm Howitzer shells falling on them and some here compare Thouria Alathad to Egypt.

Wake up and smell the roses the end is near.

July 2nd, 2013, 1:59 pm

 

Hassan said:

I have been homesick ever since i left Damascus but This wonderful article just brought me back to the city where I was born and raised. Thank you Matthew. You did Damascus justice. Thank you

July 2nd, 2013, 1:59 pm

 

don said:

What’s going to happen to the Israeli embassy? 21. Citizen

July 2nd, 2013, 2:08 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

What’s going to happen to the Israeli embassy?

Don,

Geez, I don’t know, they could be applying for tourist Visas.

Observer,

I agree.

July 2nd, 2013, 2:20 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

If Homs falls,Rebels will be free to do anything,
الجيش الحر عليه ان يركز علئ حمص

July 2nd, 2013, 2:20 pm

 

revenire said:

“Wake up and smell the roses the end is near.”

I saw a guy standing outside of the subway today holding a sign like that. Was it you?

Again, if Egyptian demonstrators were killing civilians, police and soldiers – as happened in Daraa – the army would crush them.

It’s really simple.

July 2nd, 2013, 2:22 pm

 

Mina said:

Great pictures (even more than for Mubarak’s fall)
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentMulti/75513/Multimedia.aspx

July 2nd, 2013, 2:22 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed you said that about Qusayr. Homs is a done deal. The government has it all except for remnants hiding out amongst civilians, like they did in Qusayr. These rebels are so brave they use civilians as human shields.

July 2nd, 2013, 2:26 pm

 

Tara said:

General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi: top brass ready to defend the people
Egyptian military chief who issued ultimatum to Mohamed Morsi has history of Islamist sympathy, so motives are questioned

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/general-abdel-fattah-sisi-profile?CMP=twt_fd
Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 2 July 2013 18.39 BST

Sisi is said to be a religious man, and his wife, unusually, wears the full niqab (face veil.)

Sisi, born in 1954, was a relative youngster in a military dominated by elderly officers with extensive privileges and a traditional view of their place in Egyptian political life. Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi, who he replaced, was in his late 70s. Sisi, promoted two ranks, reportedly shook like a leaf when Morsi told him to “behave like a man” and take the job, while Tantawi waited in the next room.

Sisi, an infantry officer, was trained at the UK Joint Command and Staff College and did a masters degree at the US army’s War College in Pennsylvania.

He is also described as enjoying close relations with the US military as well as Saudi Arabia, where he served as a military attache. Inside the army, some critics reportedly believe he has been too soft on the Brotherhood.

July 2nd, 2013, 2:37 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrialover@4

Thank you.

July 2nd, 2013, 2:41 pm

 

revenire said:

Fatwa for make-up: Islamists target women in rebel-controlled Syrian territories

Syrian rebels have issued a ban on women using make up or wearing “immodest dress” in a neighborhood in the city of Aleppo. Critics have blasted the move as another attempt by Islamists to impose Sharia in rebel-controlled territory.

The fatwa (an order based on Sharia law) was issued by the Islamic law council in Aleppo’s Fardous neighborhood.

“Muslim women are banned from leaving the house in immodest dress, in tight clothing that shows off their bodies or wearing makeup on their face. It is incumbent on all our sisters to obey God and commit to Islamic etiquette,” the statement on the Fardous council’s Facebook page says as cited by Reuters, which reports that Aleppo residents have confirmed the news.

Read the rest here please
http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-fatwa-women-523/

July 2nd, 2013, 2:41 pm

 

apple_mini said:

When the rebels is losing on battles, they intensify their shelling and bombing in the regime held areas, hoping to inflict revenge and panic.

Just about 20 minutes ago, there were mortars fell among civilians, killed and wound some people.

I was not far from the site. People were a little panic after the explosion immediately after several gunshots were heard.

Of course the rebels are “freely” using everything in their arsenal.

Since when the rebels withhold suicide attack, car bombing, mortar shelling, beheading, summary execution, recruiting child fighters, kidnapping and murdering whoever is not on their side?

What is more left there?

July 2nd, 2013, 2:48 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Tara
Sisi should wear Hijab, himself.

revenir
Homs did not fall yet, stop lying,and the fatwa you mentioned is a regime lie to discredit the rebels.

Mini apple, there are more can be done and they can do,

July 2nd, 2013, 2:57 pm

 

Leen said:

This article brought back so many memories of the summers I spent in Damascus. I am so afraid of losing all those memories, as I haven’t been to syria for three years, and it pains me to forget the names of the streets, the images of the forests and lakes my family would take us every Friday, the open souks my aunts would take me to to buy goodies.
Thank you for this, oh and my favourite seat on the micro was also the one opposite to the driver ! My mom hated it because it would make her feel nauseated haha

July 2nd, 2013, 3:00 pm

 

revenire said:

“The rebels are angels and nothing they do – including cannibalism – can compare to the horrors of the regime.”

That will always be the reply from the supporters of terrorism and killing of anyone that supports the Syrian government. To them any crime is permissible.

I wonder if among the fear they expressed above is fear of God for the act of betrayal or the crime of hatred?

July 2nd, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed sorry but multiple sources have confirmed it is 100% true.

For example:

“edward dark ‏@edwardedark
Islamist Rebels In #Syria Ban ‘Immodest Dress’ And Makeup For Women In Aleppo http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/syria-rebels-ban-provocative-dress-aleppo_n_3529747.html?utm_hp_ref=tw via @HuffPostWorld”

You can huff and puff that this is designed to tarnish the angels of the revolution but the fact is they are neither angels nor is there a revolution.

July 2nd, 2013, 3:05 pm

 

don said:

Up to 6,000 jihadists now fighting with al Qaeda groups

Word of the growing foreign terrorist presence comes as a gruesome video surfaced over the past weekend showing Syrian rebels beheading three Christians, including a Catholic priest, in a public execution widely circulated on the Internet.

The Obama administration announced last month that it will begin sending arms to secular rebel groups fighting under the Free Syrian Army banner. Critics have warned that the covert U.S. support could end up bolstering al Qaeda forces in the region.

“The balance of power within the Syrian opposition between responsible forces and terrorists is already murky at best,” John Bolton, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, told the Washington Free Beacon.

“If even more al Qaeda supporters are moving in, it raises the risks of supplying weapons even to ‘friendly’ opposition forces even higher,” he said.

The number of “martyrdom announcements” by jihadists in Syria indicates the influx of foreigners is increasing, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

officials said the fact that most are joining al-Nusra Front and another Chechen terrorist group are troubling signs since it is believed the foreign fighters will become “hardened jihadists” through the experience.

The increase in foreign terrorists began in December and is continuing. U.S. officials estimate many as 6,000 foreign terrorists are now fighting in Syria and the large numbers have increased fears among security officials that the terrorists will use their experience to spread terror to their home countries.

More than 600 Islamist foreigners were reported killed in fighting in Syria since the beginning of the year.

Al-Nusra and the Chechen-led Jaysh Al-Muhajirin wal Ansar rebel group, which collaborates with al-Nusra, are the main jihadist groups that have helped funnel foreign terrorists into the conflict.

According to the officials, Syria is becoming a new terrorist training ground as most of the foreign fighters joining the conflict have little or no jihadist experience.

For example, the martyrdom statements of the dead jihadists revealed that among the more than 600 dead, fewer than 20 were experienced fighters from Afghanistan, Libya, or elsewhere.

The easy access to the Syrian conflict is viewed as a main factor in the increase of foreign fighters.

It has become relatively easy for terrorists to reach the Islamist rebels through the Turkish-Syrian border, the officials said.

Chechen terrorists have set up an Internet site that helps fighters reach the Jaysh Al-Muhajirin wal Ansar group by traveling to Turkey and then crossing easily into Syria.

According to London’s Arabic-language newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat, Libyan terrorist leader Abu-Yahya has said there is an easy travel route for Tunisian and Libyan fighters, who are being trained in Libya for jihad in Syria, to be smuggled into Syria with the help of militant groups.

July 2nd, 2013, 3:05 pm

 

Majed97 said:

Can we move past the Alawi/sunni blame game please? Isn’t that the fuel SKA and Qatar are using in their strategy to destroy Syria!?! I’m really surprised that some of the seemingly rational people on this board are joinging in this counterproductive talk.

The power structure in Syria, imperfect as it is, is a necessary evil due to the complex and diverse population make up of the country. Let’s face it, the only thing keeping Syria togather today is the security forces built by President Hafez.

The Islamic history is filled with secetarian power struggles and favoratism by one family/group over others. Today is no exception; every single Arab country is ruled through family monopoly of power and reliance on few “trusted” groups. Let’s not pretend that Assad invented this system of government. Unfortunately, the Arab world is still highly religious and sectarian, making its people far more emotional and subjective than rational and objective.

July 2nd, 2013, 3:06 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Your opinion is worthless and your news are lies, عم تزت و تلحش

July 2nd, 2013, 3:12 pm

 

revenire said:

Assad alone is holding the entire nation together – without him, and only him – there would be mass slaughter of everyone in Syria.

July 2nd, 2013, 3:16 pm

 

revenire said:

Morsi is toast.

July 2nd, 2013, 3:20 pm

 

apple_mini said:

When historians look back in the future on Syrian crisis/war, they will definitely make remarks on some twists of events along this crisis. First, it was Obama single-handedly rejected proposal to arm the rebels last year. Imagining if Obama had not been re-elected. Then it was the biggest protest against Erdogan weakening his seemingly unchallengeable authority right before US administration decided to arm the rebel under false pretense of chemical weapon fiasco.

Now only fewer than 10 days after Morsi openly showed support to the rebels appeasing his Islamist supporters, Morsi is getting thrown out.

We hope there will be chance that new Egyptian government will play a more proactive and positive role in helping to resolve Syria crisis. The reality is that at least the new position of Egyptian government would not be counter-productive after Morsi’s removal.

As for people living in this crisis now, we pray there will be more twists given by the Mighty One to expedite peace upon Syria.

July 2nd, 2013, 3:27 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

mini apple
who is the mighty you are talking about?

July 2nd, 2013, 3:41 pm

 

revenire said:

I do not believe it was Obama who single-handedly rejected proposals to arm the rebels last year. I believe he has been arming them the entire time; weapons shipments from Libya and Croatia being known, along with open admissions of Qatar and Saudi Arabia (US proxies) arming them before 2011. The New York Times wrote about the CIA arming the rebels since 2012 – some reports say earlier.

July 2nd, 2013, 4:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Praise for the Egyptian army. This Muslim Brotherhood puppet must fall.

Egypt army plans for after Mursi as clock ticks
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/02/us-egypt-protests-idUSBRE95Q0NO20130702
(Reuters) – Egypt’s army has plans to push Mohamed Mursi aside and suspend the constitution after an all but impossible ultimatum it has given the Islamist president expires in less than 24 hours, military sources told Reuters on Tuesday.

July 2nd, 2013, 4:22 pm

 
 

Dawoud said:

Egypt:

I am not a supporter of Morsi, but I support a constitutional democracy. Morsi was democratically-elected and can ONLY be removed by a presidential elections after 3 years. He should do the following:

1) Fire General Sisi and the rest of the military council and refer them to prosecution for their subordination. Un-elected army general cannot tell elected leaders what to do. Mohammad El Baradei the sore losers (Hamdeen Sabahi, et al.) have exposed their hatred and hypocrisy and put their personal ambitions above the nation. El Baradei is still upset because Morsi hasn’t appointed him PM (he knows that he couldn’t win enough electoral votes to be anything), and Sabahi wants elections NOW because he thinks that Egyptians can’t wait to make him president 🙂
2) advise the sore losers (the opposition) that they can win power only through elections, and not through demonstrations.
3) call for parliamentary elections as soon as possible, which in any case would make the new parliament choose a very powerful prime minister; whose powers in many cases would be more than those of the president.

July 2nd, 2013, 5:11 pm

 

Citizen said:

24. DON
let us ask about that from Sion-embassy defenders

July 2nd, 2013, 5:24 pm

 

dawoud said:

https://twitter.com/MuhammadMorsi/status/352164641352327168

د.محمد مرسي د.محمد مرسيVerified account ‏@MuhammadMorsi

#الرئيس محمد مرسي يؤكد تمسكه بالشرعية الدستورية ويرفض أي محاولة للخروج عليها ويدعوالقوات المسلحة سحب إنذارها ويرفض أي إملاءات داخليةأوخارجية

July 2nd, 2013, 5:29 pm

 

dawoud said:

https://twitter.com/MuhammadMorsi/status/352164641352327168

د.محمد مرسي د.محمد مرسيVerified account ‏@MuhammadMorsi

#الرئيس محمد مرسي يؤكد تمسكه بالشرعية الدستورية ويرفض أي محاولة للخروج عليها ويدعوالقوات المسلحة سحب إنذارها ويرفض أي إملاءات داخليةأوخارجية

English Translation from President Morsi Twitter statement:

“The president stresses his adherence to constitutional legitimacy and refuses any attempts to go outside it. He calls on the armed forces to withdraw its ultimatum and refuses any internal or external dictates.”

Morsi will shortly speak to the nation. Please turn your TVs on now!

July 2nd, 2013, 5:35 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Dear Dawoud
I agree that parliamentary election has to be held soon,3 months, but Mursi proved to be less and less popular in the last year, so he should announce presidential election too, he should annul the constitution it is not for all egyptians, if you follow my comments I believe the constitution has to be approved by 2/3 of population at least,because it applies to all the people not half, also Mursi moved too quickly and the constitution declaration was a major mistake, people want democracy not a president who acts like Mubarak or Assad, he should respect the opinion of his opponent
Sisi is supporter of Mursi,he is trying to help him, MB are part of the people, We in Syria call for Civil rule not Shariaa rule,we respect other minorities,even that they are less than 10% each.

July 2nd, 2013, 5:35 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed one man, one vote. Religion is not a qualification for voting.

July 2nd, 2013, 5:38 pm

 

Dawoud said:

51. majedkhaldoun

Yes, Majed. Morsi should ask for new votes. However, it’s a bad precedent for any emerging democracy or any country if un-elected army officers dictate anything on elected leaders. Period!

July 2nd, 2013, 5:41 pm

 

Syrialover said:

The Muslim Brotherhood’s dangerous fantasies are turning to dust everywhere. It was always going to happen.

In the UAE they have just received a powerful knockout punch through a landmark trial of 92 alleged MB conspirators. Sixty nine were convicted and are on their way to prison sentences of 7-10 years. They had assets seized and education centres and web sites shut down.

The MB have had a remarkable run in the UAE since the 1980s when Emiratis who had studied in Egypt were influenced by the MB there and returned to set up their own branch. The movement infested the education system in the UAE for decades and ran a number of front organizations which pushed trans-national political and religious ideologies.

Think what you like about the UAE, but they are proud of having handled this through the courts with more transparency and legal process than many expected. The MB was seen as a growing challenge to state sovereignity and security, and the UAE decided to tackle it openly in a detailed court case that ran for four months.

Here’s a good background piece: “Ruling marks the rejection= of brotherhood as a force in the UAE”- http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/ruling-marks-the-rejection-of-brotherhood-as-force-in-uae

July 2nd, 2013, 5:53 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Nobody ask you for your opinion, please stay quiet

July 2nd, 2013, 5:53 pm

 

zoo said:

Faisal Mekdad: ‘The US has no control over the rebels it is arming – and if Cameron and Hague think weapons can force Assad’s departure, they are stupid’

Syria’s Deputy Foreign Minister is certain the West’s strategy will fail

Patrick Cockburn Tuesday 02 July 2013
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/faisal-mekdad-the-us-has-no-control-over-the-rebels-it-is-arming–and-if-cameron-and-hague-think-weapons-can-force-assads-departure-they-are-stupid-8683990.html

Faisal Mekdad says in an interview with The Independent in Damascus that the Americans “provide arms and money but they have absolutely no control. Nobody will listen. The US has been trying to unify this opposition for two years and you can see the results: more disintegration.”

Mr Mekdad does not look overly concerned by the postponement of the Geneva II peace conference, saying that Syria had always been ready and willing to attend without preconditions. But he goes out of his way to refute the idea that, if the US and its allies could make the rebels a bit stronger on the battlefield, “they can force the government to give more concessions. This is completely wrong,” he says.

In Moscow, deputies to Mr Lavrov said the main hurdle to the conference was uncertainty over Syrian opposition participation, and that the United States must do more to get Bashar al-Assad’s foes to the negotiating table.

“The main thing [that is needed] is readiness on the part of the opposition to take part in the conference. This is the main obstacle that does not allow us to set a date,” said Deputy Foreign Minister and special Middle East envoy Mikhail Bogdanov.

July 2nd, 2013, 6:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Morsi was an enemy of Syria and now he is being overthrown. The Muslim Brotherhood tried to overthrow the Syrian government in 1982 and Hafez – the father of modern Syria – crushed them.

Assad wins again.

July 2nd, 2013, 6:11 pm

 

Tara said:

Ironic,  isn’t it?!

Morsi role at Syria rally seen as tipping point for Egypt army
Head of state had attended rally with hardline Islamists calling for holy war in war-torn neighbour

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/morsi-role-at-syria-rally-seen-as-tipping-point-for-egypt-army-1.1450612

Army concern about the way President Mohamed Morsi was governing Egypt reached tipping point when the head of state attended a rally packed with hardline fellow Islamists calling for holy war in Syria, military sources have said.
At the June 15th rally, Sunni Muslim clerics used the word “infidels” to denounce both the Shias fighting to protect Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and the non-Islamists that oppose Mr Morsi at home.
Mr Morsi himself called for foreign intervention in Syria against Mr Assad, leading to a veiled rebuke from the army, which issued an apparently bland but sharp-edged statement the next day stressing that its only role was guarding Egypt’s borders.
“The armed forces were very alarmed by the Syrian conference at a time the state was going through a major political crisis,” said one officer, whose comments reflected remarks made privately by other army staff. He was speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to talk to the media.
………

July 2nd, 2013, 6:33 pm

 

revenire said:

It would appear the Egyptian army is sane. Morsi not so much.

Bravo!

PS – Tara I even gave you a BIG THUMBS UP for that post of yours.

July 2nd, 2013, 7:11 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=59474

This is Arab shiaa, not the barbarian persians

July 2nd, 2013, 7:16 pm

 

Ziad said:

The Globalists’ Egyptian Gambit: ElBaradei

From the Council on Foreign Relations to the Brookings Institute, Globalists agree. Mohamed ElBaradei for (Egyptian) President.

With Tunisia and now Egypt internally infighting, a collective regional division seems to be developing. It is no secret the globalists via the United States and Israeli governments, want regime change in Iran and to desperately halt their nuclear program. Elliot Abrams in his New York Times piece states explicitly “our ultimate goal for Iran is not a nuclear deal with the ayatollahs but freedom for its people under a government they choose in honest elections.” Newsweek goes one step further and reports on a covert war against Iran’s nuclear program already well underway. Seymour Hersh reported as early as 2008 that the US was conducting military operations in Iran.

The floundering efforts to achieve the globalists’ goals with Iran, now spanning several years, may have spurred the real policy makers, the globalist think tanks, to consider a wider regional campaign of destabilization and the installation of more reliable and more zealous allies to build the needed coalition to confront an unmovable Iran. At any rate, any opposition for the globalists’ next phase in the Middle East will be muted with regimes across the region battling for their very survival.

Mohamed ElBaradei, then literally sitting on the International Crisis Group’s Board of Trustees with the likes of George Soros, would not only be a trusted candidate to sow instability throughout Egypt, but would make an equally trustworthy leader of a pliable proxy regime to turn against Iran, Russia, and China. An ElBaradei controlled Egypt could equally be turned against disruptive members of the other globalist pet project Egypt is conveniently positioned to deal with, the African Union. And last but not least, Egypt controls the Suez Canal. Greater control over Egypt means greater control over the passage of freight through the canal.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.fr/2011/01/globalists-egyptian-gambit-elbaradei.html#uds-search-results

July 2nd, 2013, 7:22 pm

 

zoo said:

@14 Alan

Saudi Arabia hates Morsy and the Moslem Brotherhood. I am not surprised if they are not financing now his fall.
Morsy tried desesperatly to get Saudis on his side. Last he made an anti-Shia, pro-jihad, anti-Syria conference and closed the Syrian Embassy stupidly thinking that Saudi Arabia will stop its maneuvers to topple him. It was too late. Except for Qatar, all the GCC hate the Moslem Brotherhood.
HBJ, the prime architect of the Syrian opposition and the main support of Morsy is gone. Qatar seems to be inclined to regain its role of peace making and business support.
In Egypt, Saudi Arabia has three choices, either support the Salafist or the liberals or the army.
The USA is not in favor of the Salafists and is not yet sure about the liberals in relation to Israel. They are sure that the Egyptian army that grant with 1 billion dollars a year is pro-US. Therefore I think Saudi Arabia will be in favor of the army taking over the control of Egypt, until the USA decides if the liberals will follow an acceptable policy with Israel.

The fall of the Egyptian MB will accelerate the weakening of the Syrian opposition. The so-called coalition will be dismembered and will collapse. It has alreasy as it is totally silent.
We may see the emergence of a new opposition ready to collaborate with the US and Russia to reach a cease fire.

Saudi is acting toward the FSA in ways to gain its confidence while testing its ability to eventually take over control of Syria. They are sending weapons and observing if Selim Idriss is able to gain the Syrian’s trust.

I my view, they will soon realize that the FSA even with weapons is hopeless and does not have much support inside Syria.
Then the Saudi will switch to support the Syrian internal opposition, boost them and try to bring them to the US-Russia conference.
Will they tolerate Bashar al Assad in power until the 2014 election, that is yet to see?

July 2nd, 2013, 7:27 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Any truth to this? :

Syria: Custos of the Holy Land denies Franciscans’ beheaded
28 June, 15:09

(ANSAmed) – ROME, JUNE 28 – In a statement to the religious information service SIR, Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa has said the news reported by Radio France Internationale on the alleged beheading of three Franciscan monks in Syria is false.

”The monks in the region are all still alive,” said the Custos of the Holy Land. On June 24 Father Francois, ”a Catholic hermit”, had been reported dead. (ANSAmed).

July 2nd, 2013, 7:31 pm

 

zoo said:

#58 Tara

The Egytian army is similar to what the Turkish army has been before Erdogan send their generals to jail. They are the warrant of a form of secularism inherited from Nasser.

When Morsy became more hysterical than Erdogan about Syria and calling for a Jihad against Shia, then the Egyptian army decided he went too far and that he should go.
In Turkey, as the army has been decimated, Erdogan was not afraid of a coup, therefore he felt free to impose his islamist authoritarian agenda, until he got a wake up call fom Gezi Park.
While Morsy will probably be deposed, Erdogan risks his political career in next year election, unless he radically change his attitude.
Ultimately it is clear that neither the Egyptians, nor the Turks trust any group who want to impose an Islamic agenda.

Only the Syrian opposition boosted by Erdogan, Qatar and the MB still think they can make a revolution succeed with Allak U Akbars. The fall of Morsy would send an shockwave in their ranks.

July 2nd, 2013, 7:45 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

I am not that knowledgeable in Egyptian affair. But what I like about the Egyptian army is that it has been an independent institution during Moubarak and then Morsi and that is very admirable. Didn’t Morsi fire al Tantawi and others when he first took office? Yet the army as an institution did not challenge Morsi then. It only challenged Morsi when the people rise against him..

My question to you: would the fall of Morsi make the minorities less “paranoid” (if you will) about their fate in the ME knowing that their Muslim fellow citizens declined an Islamic rule?

July 2nd, 2013, 8:01 pm

 

zoo said:

The Saudi-Qatari Clash Over Syria

July 2, 2013
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/the-saudi-qatari-clash-over-syria-8685

Saudi Arabia and the United States are now working closely together to bolster Syrian rebels seeking the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad, reviving in the process an earlier model of covert military cooperation from the 1980s that successfully drove the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. This time their target is Russia’s last remaining Middle East Arab ally—the Assad regime, whose armed forces are equipped entirely with Russian weapons.

Despite Saudi hospitality, the Brotherhood took the side of Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Kuwait in 1990 opposed by a U.S.- and Saudi-led coalition that drove Iraqi forces out the following year. After the war, Prince Nayef proclaimed the group had done “great damage” to the kingdom. “All our problems come from the Muslim Brotherhood,” he said, bemoaning the Saudi decision to offer it sanctuary.

By contrast, the Qataris have now poured $8 billion into Egyptian coffers to help the Brotherhood-led government cope with huge budget of foreign-reserve deficits. The then emir of Qatar, Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, last October became the first Arab leader to visit the isolated Gaza Strip to show his support for Hamas, and he has allowed the group’s officials fleeing Damascus to make Doha an alternative base of operations.

The Saudi-Qatari conflict has opened a wider political fissure among the six Sunni monarchies making up the Saudi-led Gulf Cooperation Council—Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and Oman.

However, recent battlefield gains by the besieged al-Assad regime have had an electrifying effect on both Qatar and Saudi Arabia. The prospect of Assad surviving has heightened their shared fears of seeing a victory not only for him, but also for Shiite Iran. As a result, according to Syrian rebel and U.S. diplomatic sources, Qatar has also agreed to funnel its arms for the rebels through the secular Supreme Military Council.

The reported Saudi-Qatari agreement on arms shipments, however, has not extended to their equally contentious difference over the Brotherhood’s role in the rebels’ political leadership. In March, the emergence of American-educated Ghassan Hitto as “prime minister” of a government-in-exile provoked yet another confrontation because he is regarded as a Brotherhood, and Qatari, protégé. So, too, is Mustafa al-Sabbagh, the coalition’s current secretary general, even though he lives in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

The clash between Qatari- and Saudi-backed factions paralyzed a heated, eight-day meeting held in late May in Istanbul, once again over the choice of leaders

July 2nd, 2013, 8:10 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Egypt is in big trouble, no president can fix its economic problem, in one or five years, what happened to Mursi will happen to any other president from now on, we probably see a president every few month.
The idea that the army did not want to interfere in Syria ,as Zoo said is so absurd, what is going on in Egypt is mainly lack of economic progress,US is only worried about shipping hinderance in Sues Canal.and Egypt is facing population explosion.
Fighting against Assad may rally Egyptians behind the president in Egypt.Egypt needs money,not enough resources inside Egypt ,they need to think about uniting with Libya ,or fight Assad and thus get money from the gulf states

July 2nd, 2013, 8:13 pm

 

revenire said:

You’re suggesting invading Syria as a way of uniting Egypt? If they attack Syria the oil dictators will send them cash?

Brother you need a nap.

July 2nd, 2013, 8:25 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

I knew this will irritate you,

July 2nd, 2013, 8:28 pm

 

Ziad said:

Interesting trip report to the only democracy in the Middle East

Is This Even Legal?

Three hours had passed after waiting and answering the same questions until I went in for my last interrogation (I didn’t know it was my last at the time). For this interrogation, I was asked more personal questions. Such as my school status, what I do back in my hometown, etc. And then it got even more personal.

“Write down your e-mail, home phone number, cell-phone number, e-mail password, and iPhone passcode.”

“What does this have to do with visiting my grandpa?”

“These are required security measures.”

http://allthingslevantine.wordpress.com/

July 2nd, 2013, 8:29 pm

 

zoo said:

#65 Tara

Of course the fall of an Islamist like Morsy and the MB will reassure the non-moslem minorities, the same way as an intelligent Syrian opposition that would no have used Sunnis mosque and Allah U akbar in their protests would have reassured the minorities and possibly brought them on their side.

The Syrian opposition was so void of ideas on how to rally fearful, undecided and confused Syrians to their cause that it had to bring out the Sunni primitive hatred against the Alawites-Shias and call for the revenge of the Hama killings to obtain some popular support. The Sunnis were then described as having always been oppressed by “heretics” That brought more Sunnis coming out of the mosque to protest.
Unfortunately it also brought Al Qaeda…and made the minorities not only suspicious but overwhelming and irremediably against the opposition.

I don’t see any way where the present opposition can ever reassure the Syrian minorities, it is too late.
The present coalition leaders must all resign and a completely new opposition should emerge to save Syria.

July 2nd, 2013, 8:29 pm

 

revenire said:

Brother I am nominating you for Foreign Minister to replace Walid Muallem in Hitto’s new government.

July 2nd, 2013, 8:34 pm

 

Tara said:

If Nubl and Zahra villages fall, it would be a slap on the face to Nasrallah and HA.  My fear is that rogue elements may take advantage and commit crimes.    

Rebels in the northern province of Aleppo have threatened to seize two Shia Muslim villages that back President Bashar al-Assad unless they surrendered to the opposition, Reuters reports. Activists say both Nubl and Zahra villages had been reinforced by Assad’s allies in the increasingly sectarian war, among them fighters from Iran and Lebanon’s powerful Shia guerrilla group, Hezbollah.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/02/uk-syria-crisis-idUKBRE96010220130702

July 2nd, 2013, 9:10 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Persia said Mursi is the legitimate president of Egypt, they are supporting him, what the reason, in your petit opinion?

Tara
Rebels got no help, they are free to do anything

July 2nd, 2013, 9:14 pm

 

Tara said:

Majed,

If the rebels are going to commit a massacre, then I ‘d rather Nubl and Zahra not fall. We can’t morph into the monster we are fighting.

July 2nd, 2013, 9:24 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

They are not going to commit a massacre, as Revenir said get rid of infestation only,I am against massacres, too

July 2nd, 2013, 9:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

They turn mosques into military bases then they complain when a mosque is hit during a battle. This is not from SANA it is from alarabiya:

Firebrand Lebanese Sunni cleric Ahmed al-Assir has turned his mosque into a military base, exclusive Al Arabiya footage shows.
The Lebanese army took control of Abra, an area which is home to the Bilal bin Rabah mosque where Assir leads Friday prayers, after fighting on Monday that killed 17 soldiers and 50 Assir loyalists in the southern city of Sidon, a Lebanese military source said.
The footage shows the mosque was used to store weapons and ammunition, including hidden stashes discovered by the army.
Barrels filled with sand placed at the entrance of the mosque and around its circumference made it look like a military barricade.
( sectarian killing in Nubl and Zahra started months ago, the terrorists believe there are more people to get beheaded there and more women to be taken Sabaya, btw, the helicopter Nusra thugs downed there had 3 teacher, a women and her child and 5 other civilians along with 5 military personnel)

July 2nd, 2013, 9:34 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed I would have to see any Iranian statement to give an opinion. I don’t know what they’ve said about Morsi today.

July 2nd, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed

“they need to think about uniting with Libya ,or fight Assad and thus get money from the gulf states”

You “suggestions” are becoming more intelligent by the day. Keep on..

July 2nd, 2013, 9:45 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo:You have to agree it is good idea

Tara, they can send children,old women and old men to Assad controled area, the rest has to cooperate with the rebels

July 2nd, 2013, 9:51 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Reve

After Morsy called for jihad against the Shias, I doubt the Iranians are pleased to see him staying in power.

Yet they surely have reservations about a ‘popular’ coup to topple Morsy as they have seen that happening in 1952 when the CIA managed a coup against anti-US PM Mossadegh to bring back the Shah.
They prefer Egypt to respect the democratical vote rather than the street vote that could very easily be manipulated.
In addition Iran doesn’t want to see neither another pro-US Mobarak taking over or even Takfiris supported by Saudi Arabia and the USA.

Until they see who are clearly behind that ‘coup’ and how it is developing, the Iranians will call for restraint and democratical dialog to avoid violence and a civil war

July 2nd, 2013, 10:00 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Are Syrian Christians ‘paranoid’?
The Shadow War Against Syria’s Christians
By Nina Shea
July 1, 2013 4:20 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352494/shadow-war-against-syrias-christians-nina-shea

On June 23, Catholic Syrian priest Fr. François Murad was murdered in Idlib by rebel militias. How he was killed is not yet known and his superiors “vigorously deny” that he was a victim of beheading, as some news sources are claiming. It is apparent, however, that he was a victim of the shadow war against Christians that is being fought by jihadists alongside the larger Syrian conflict. This is a religious cleansing that has been all but ignored by our policymakers, as they strengthen support for the rebellion

As for the larger conflict, the Christians are caught in the middle. The churches have not allied with the Assad regime. They have no armed protector, inside or outside the country, and they have no militias of their own. But they are not simply suffering collateral damage. They are being deliberately targeted in a religious purification campaign – one that the United States government finds convenient to overlook as it supports Syria’s rebels and praises Saudi Arabia as one of our “closest partners.”

– Nina Shea is director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for Religious Freedom.

July 2nd, 2013, 10:28 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed I don’t know what to make of it.

The official IRNA is a bit different from Fox but not much.

http://en.irna.ir/News.aspx?Nid=80720591

July 2nd, 2013, 10:29 pm

 

zoo said:

Observer

What a great consolation…

“At least Morsi is not calling it a world wide conspiracy and fueled by terrorists from abroad “

July 2nd, 2013, 10:32 pm

 

omen said:

77. ghufran: They turn mosques into military bases then they complain when a mosque is hit during a battle.

in other words, it’s only bad when the opposition attacks or damage a shrine.

this argument gets applied to schools as well, but here’s the reality:

(London) – The Syrian government has interrogated students and carried out violent assaults on their protests and military attacks on schools, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Both government forces and opposition armed groups have used schools as military bases, barracks, detention centers, and sniper posts, turning places of learning into military targets and putting students at risk.

The 33-page report, “Safe No More: Students and Schools under Attack in Syria,” is based on more than 70 interviews, including with 16 students and 11 teachers who fled Syria, primarily from Daraa, Homs, and greater Damascus. The report documents the use of schools for military purposes by both sides. It also describes how teachers and state security agents interrogated and beat students for alleged anti-government activity, and how security forces and shabiha, pro-government militias, assaulted peaceful student demonstrations. In several instances reported to Human Rights Watch, government forces fired on school buildings that were not being used for military purposes.

let me guess…the kids were bitter, angry and underprivileged. and they were unwilling to be peaceful nor willing to compromise.

July 2nd, 2013, 10:35 pm

 

revenire said:

“Egyptians are telling the Syrian opposition to take Mursi and give them Bashar.”

🙂

July 2nd, 2013, 10:50 pm

 

omen said:

67. khaldoun, on top of this tinderbox, i heard farmers complain because of high diesel prices and lack of water, their crops are failing. there are going to be food shortages. what’s that going to do to the ongoing unrest?

July 2nd, 2013, 10:54 pm

 

omen said:

84. zoo, interestingly enough, hudson institute is funded by big oil. kissinger is also a big supporter.

gee, syria isn’t consequential to the oil industry, is it?

July 2nd, 2013, 11:05 pm

 

omen said:

barber, you really enhanced the story with the additional photos. kind of you to take the time to include them. i bet the author would be pleased.

July 2nd, 2013, 11:09 pm

 

Ziad said:

Excellent article detailing the background of the events in Egypt

Sectarianism and Counter-Revolution in Egypt: Not a Family Affair

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/12581/sectarianism-and-counter-revolution-in-egypt_not-a

July 3rd, 2013, 12:34 am

 

ghufran said:

The remaking of an Assad. CNN interview with Ribal Al-Assad:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2013/07/01/lead-ribal-al-assad-bashar-al-assad-syria.cnn#/video/world/2013/07/01/lead-ribal-al-assad-bashar-al-assad-syria.cnn

few notes:
Ribal and his side of the family, who still has some support among alawites and maintained good ties with KSA, is trying to represent himself as a potential alternative to Bashar. Syrians still remember who Rifaat Assad was, not that the son should pay for his dad’s sins, and I doubt that an Assad will be given any national political post after Bashar is gone, what Ribal may want is a seat in Latakia’s future power house and possibly an MP post.
notice the moderate tone and the carefully chosen words. This fellow is a politician, I have a strange feeling that he reads this blog, before you discount these possibilities you need to remember that this war will eventually end and Syrians have no choice but to share power with other Syrians they do not necessarily like.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:19 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Next islamist takfiri regime to fall should be the mullas corruption and international terrorism inc. in Iran. This will lead to the demise of one of the largest terrorist takfiri groups in the region as nus-lira becomes even cheaper. May be a nus-qirsh.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:33 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Wow.. zeezee stumbled on Jadaliya… still not impressed.

“Egyptians are telling the Syrian opposition to take Mursi and give them Bashar.”

Of course, no one knows a real joke like Egyptians. They get rid of a boring joke and gain the butt of the world’s jokes. d-p will provide an endless source of humor for the smart egyptians.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:55 am

 

omen said:

i finally got why the “it takes two to fight a war” comment ticked me off. in the abstract, that might be true, but such rhetoric fails to recognize (or seeks to distract from) the fact that the heavily armed regime is so much more advantaged than the poorly equipped rebels that it’s not even a fair fight.

look at this rebel.

A Free Syrian Army fighter stands on a ladder as he holds his weapon in the Al-Khalidiya neighborhood of Homs, June 28, 2013. REUTERS/Yazan Homsy

his chances of survival are as precarious as his stance on the ladder. reporters returning from syria say everyone they had met and interviewed in their last trip are now dead.

a rag tag group of men are expected to defeat an army. it’s dishonest to represent this war as a fair fight. pretending the two sides are equally matched doesn’t make the regime less evil.

July 3rd, 2013, 2:22 am

 

Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN #93

Shame on you!

Trying to promote sleazy Ribal Assad here on this blog.

What’s your motive? Don’t plead ignorance and innocence.

I and others have posted here a few times about war criminal Rifaat Assad’s son Ribal who is using his father’s fortune stolen from Syria to create fake democracy organizations and run a greasy, sleazy, slick PR machine to put smokescreens over what he and his family are.

His well-funded lobbying and charm offensive is to keep his father out of war criminal tribunals (remember the massacre of 30,000 in Hama in 1982?) and free to enjoy his 10 million pound Mayfair mansion.

Also, high living con man Ribal (once a Saif Gaddafi wannabe) has delusions of being entitled by birth to a slice of the action in Syria when his cousin Bashar is out of the way.

You should have read here more than once about how he had thugs threaten someone from a British organization – and the man’s wife – when he published something about Ribal’s fake democracy outfits.

The stakes for Ribal Assad are high. If things go as they should, he will be forced to spend all his family’s fortune on massive legal fees for his father when they nail him for his war crimes.

Shame, shame on you GHUFRAN. You must really hate Syria and have contempt for the people of Syria to talk about that creep daring to attempt a comeback for his dirty branch of that criminal family.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:42 am

 

Syrialover said:

The catastrophic permanent legacy of Assad not comprehended by the western media.

Article: Burning the Mosques

by Robin Yassin-Kassab

The Umawi mosque in Aleppo has burnt. Its thousand-year-old minaret has fallen. The minaret of Dera‘a’s Omari mosque, built in the seventh Century by Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab, has been destroyed. And today the Khalid ibn al-Waleed mosque in Homs, built around the mausoleum of the famous Muslim general and companion of the Prophet, was shelled and burnt. These are ancient mosques of enormous significance to Muslims, and they are world heritage. They were. They survived the Mongols, but not Assad.

It’s clear the Western media does not understand the religious, cultural and historical importance of these sites. Assad’s cultural vandalism and civilisational provocations are worse than the Taliban’s assault on the Bamiyan Buddha. Am I wrong to think that an attack by rogue elements of the Syrian resistance on a major Shia shrine would raise a far greater noise?

Many Muslims too are strangely quiet. If the Israelis were to hit a mosque of such vast symbolic resonance, you can bet there’d be furious demonstrations from Casablanca to Jakarta, from London to Lahore.

What’s happening is no secret. The shabeeha write it on the walls: “Al-Assad or We’ll Burn the Country.” The world worries about Islamists, about hypothetical future persecutions, about the chess game between America and Russia, Israel and Iran. Meanwhile the country burns. The people and their history burn. And the flammable poison of sectarian hatred seeps out from Syria, to east and west.

Qunfuz blog – http://qunfuz.com/

July 3rd, 2013, 4:00 am

 

zoo said:

Is the GCC lying about having called an urgent UNC meeting on Homs?

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/rss/199927–unsc-to-endeavour-solution-to-syria

Upon a question of a reporter who asked, “There has been a decision by the Gulf Council Cooperation to come to the Security Council with the issue of Homs. You’ve also seen statements by the Secretary-General worried about the developments in Homs. In either of your capacities, or both, could you tell us what are you doing about that? Do you plan to also put Homs on the map in the Security Council?”, DiCarlo replied saying, “The Council has not received any official or even informal request to host a meeting on this issue.”

July 3rd, 2013, 5:35 am

 

zoo said:

The Saudi-Qatari Clash Over Syria

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/the-saudi-qatari-clash-over-syria-8685?page=1

Saudi Arabia and the United States are now working closely together to bolster Syrian rebels seeking the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad, reviving in the process an earlier model of covert military cooperation from the 1980s that successfully drove the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan.
This time their target is Russia’s last remaining Middle East Arab ally—the Assad regime, whose armed forces are equipped entirely with Russian weapons.

Despite Saudi hospitality, the Brotherhood took the side of Saddam Hussein in his invasion of Kuwait in 1990 opposed by a U.S.- and Saudi-led coalition that drove Iraqi forces out the following year. After the war, Prince Nayef proclaimed the group had done “great damage” to the kingdom. “All our problems come from the Muslim Brotherhood,” he said, bemoaning the Saudi decision to offer it sanctuary.

The Saudi-Qatari conflict has opened a wider political fissure among the six Sunni monarchies making up the Saudi-led Gulf Cooperation Council—Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and Oman. This body is supposed to coordinate a common strategy toward Iran and the Syrian rebels. But both Saudi Arabia and the Emirates have become increasingly hostile toward the Brotherhood—the Emirates currently have forty-three Brotherhood members on trial for allegedly plotting to overthrow the monarchy there—while Qatar remains its primary Arab backer.

However, recent battlefield gains by the besieged al-Assad regime have had an electrifying effect on both Qatar and Saudi Arabia. The prospect of Assad surviving has heightened their shared fears of seeing a victory not only for him, but also for Shiite Iran. As a result, according to Syrian rebel and U.S. diplomatic sources, Qatar has also agreed to funnel its arms for the rebels through the secular Supreme Military Council.

The reported Saudi-Qatari agreement on arms shipments, however, has not extended to their equally contentious difference over the Brotherhood’s role in the rebels’ political leadership. In March, the emergence of American-educated Ghassan Hitto as “prime minister” of a government-in-exile provoked yet another confrontation because he is regarded as a Brotherhood, and Qatari, protégé. So, too, is Mustafa al-Sabbagh, the coalition’s current secretary general, even though he lives in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
….

July 3rd, 2013, 5:42 am

 

zoo said:

The Sunni fighters wartime sex life

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/articles/20130703.aspx

July 3, 2013: Several Sunni Moslem religious leaders have recently issued religious rulings (fatwas) that permit Moslem women to go to Syria and have sex with rebel soldiers to improve the moral of these holy warriors, The lucky guys must be Moslem and fighting as a religious duty, not as mercenaries or just for the adventure of it all. Some of these fatwas permit husbands to offer their wives to rebel fighters. All this is meant to encourage more men to go and fight against the pro-Iranian Syrian government. This is all part of the growing hostility between Sunni Islam (about 80 percent of Moslems and led by Saudi Arabia) and Shia Islam (about ten percent of Moslems and led by Iran).
Some religious leaders have even issued fatwas allowing rebels in Syria to rape Shia Moslem women they encounter there. This fatwa came with some restrictions. The rapists must not have had sex (with a woman) for at least two years and the rape should not last more than a few hours so as to not permanently harm the victim and to allow the maximum number of rebels to have at it.

July 3rd, 2013, 5:48 am

 

zoo said:

Coptic church, Al Azhar, youth groups to be involved in administering transitional period in Egypt

Outlines of Egypt army’s post-Morsi plan emerge

http://news.yahoo.com/outlines-egypt-armys-post-morsi-plan-emerge-194532950.html

Hossam Sweilam said a panel of experts would draft a new constitution and the interim administration would be a presidential council led by the Supreme Constitutional Court’s chief justice and including the defense minister, representatives of political parties, youth groups, Al-Azhar Mosque and the Coptic Church.

He said the military envisaged a one-year transitional period before presidential elections are held.

July 3rd, 2013, 6:03 am

 

zoo said:

Are Sunni mosques becoming other than places for prayers?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/sports-offered-to-kids-to-attend-quran-courses-in-mosques.aspx?pageID=238&nID=49936&NewsCatID=341

Children who attend Quran classes in Turkey’s Muğla province are now also receiving badminton lessons in the mosques, in accordance with a protocol signed recently between the Religious Affairs Directorate and Sports Directorate.

Offering badminton courses with Quran readings aims to get the children to form a habit of visiting the mosque, according to Anadolu news agency.

July 3rd, 2013, 6:10 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
Wow Sunnis are getting as bad as Shiaa,according to you

July 3rd, 2013, 6:38 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Many Muslims too are strangely quiet. If the Israelis were to hit a mosque of such vast symbolic resonance, you can bet there’d be furious demonstrations from Casablanca to Jakarta, from London to Lahore.

SL,

Qunfuz is correct. And not just in terms of mosques destroyed, but also in terms of killing. Despite hundreds of thousands killed by their own, self-appointed leaders, outrage only surfaces when Israel kills, in much fewer numbers.

For example, here is today’s BBC MidEast page. 40 Iraqis killed in bombings (not self defense) and 1 Palestinian killed in “clashes”. Where do you suppose the “outrage” is focused? Israel of course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/middle_east/

So yes, where is the Arab League pressure on Russia and China in the UNSC?? Why doesn’t OPEC embargo oil from reaching Russia and China like the arabs successfully applied to the US in the 70s??

Qunfuz admits to this problem, who else does?

July 3rd, 2013, 7:09 am

 

don said:

Canada temporarily closes its embassy in Cairo

The UK has also issued a warning against all but essential travel to Egypt

Canada has shut its embassy in Cairo over security concerns amid continuing anti-government protests.

The spokesperson for the Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister says Ottawa is “deeply concerned” about the violence in Egypt and is closing the embassy in Cairo until further notice. He says dangerous divisions in the country is threatening its stability and will damage its long-term economic prospects.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newshour/20130703/103947.shtml

Citizen, any news on the fate of the Israeli embassy?

July 3rd, 2013, 7:36 am

 

don said:

Escalating clashes leave at least 23 dead, 200 wounded in Egypt

In Egypt, clashes between opponents and supporters of President Mohamed Morsi are escalating across the country, after Morsi refused to step down.

The latest clashes have raised the death toll to at least 23 people and left 200 people wounded, since the demonstrations began on June 30th. Thousands more protesters joined in, following Morsi’s defiant speech against the army’s ultimatum threatening intervention. They filled wide avenues outside Qasr el-Qobba palace and central Tahrir Square, demanding him to leave the office immediately.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newshour/20130703/103930.shtml

July 3rd, 2013, 7:41 am

 

don said:

Opposition picks El Baradei to negotiate transition

With the Egyptian military’s deadline for intervention ticking closer, opposition groups have chosen opposition leader Mohamed El Baradei to represent them in negotiations on the country’s future.

In a statement released Tuesday, the opposition said they had delegated El Baradei “to be their voice”. They added that they “entrust El Baradei with the responsibility to ensure the execution of the Egyptian people’s demands and to draft a scenario that aims at the complete implementation of the roadmap for the political transition.” The move appeared to be aimed at presenting a unified voice in a post-Morsi system.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20130703/100935.shtml

July 3rd, 2013, 7:45 am

 

don said:

US intervenes Egypt crisis, but influence weakens

The protests in Egypt also bear certain dissatisfactions against the United States. US president Barack Obama has urged Morsi to take immediate steps to address opposition grievances, without alienating millions of Egyptians protesting in the streets.

The size and scale of the demonstrations against President Mohamed Morsi caught most of the world and Washington by surprise – perhaps also the anti-American nature to the protests, critical of Washington for backing Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood government too strongly.

US Secretary of State John Kerry was in the region but his focus was on restarting long-stalled peace talks between the Israeli’s and the Palestinians. That has led to questions from political opponents and Middle East watchers about the Obama’s administrations priorities, especially as the rest of the region simmers from Syria to Lebanon and Iraq.

However Washington is now responding to the crisis, US President Barack Obama called the Egyptian President late Monday night.

“Stressed that democracy is about more than elections- He also said “It is also about ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country.”

The tone is a turnaround from last year when the Obama Administration heaped praise on Morsi’s government for brokering a ceasefire in the Gaza strip between Hamas and Israel – a role that is now threatened by Egypt’s domestic turmoil.
Officials here in Washington are also strongly suggesting that the one-point-three billion dollars in annual aid to the Egyptian military could be at risk if it intervenes in the crisis.

“There are conditions on aid of course, but our focus right now – is on communicating what our concerns are directly to the government.” Jen Psaki, Spokesperson, US State Department said.

That may be all the leverage Washington has right now and other countries too while calling for calm can’t do much more

“We appeal to all political forces in Egypt to go down the path of dialogue, the path of compromise.” Guido Westerwelle, German Foreign Minister said.

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20130703/103137.shtml

July 3rd, 2013, 7:50 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

In regard to the “sunni” fighters sex lie, three caveats:

First, the practice is not conclusive to the “Sunni” figters.  V-girls boosted the “morale” of non-sunni fighters during the WW-II by offering it all.

Second, the practice is not endorsed by respected scholars.  “Farwas” are not regulated.  Any Muslim even a retarded individual is capable of proclaiming any fatwa in any subject including rocket science, tape himself on Youtube and broadcast it all over the world.

Third, there is no evidence that there was any Sunni girl interested.

Here is the missing two paragraphs:

“This sort of religious permission for rape is nothing new, it’s an ancient tradition. In wartime, many women will voluntarily offer sex as a morale booster for men on their side. In the United States, during World War II, there were thousands of “V-Girls” or “Victory Girls,” who might be more accurately described as “war groupies.” These young women were willing to give their all for the boys in uniform. This practice was not condoned by any (or at least not many) American clergy at the time.

Every war has its V-Girls and that includes the war on terror. Despite the severe restrictions on women in the Islamic world, there have long been reports of Moslem V-Girls. The official permission for such behavior is complicated by the fact that just about any Moslem can issue a fatwas. The more senior Islamic scholars and clerics are constantly trying to neutralize the effects of self-proclaimed “religious authorities” issuing defective (in terms of law or interpretation) fatwas. This has become a serious problem with the availability of satellite television and radio, which can spread a bad fatwa (like one that falsely accuses someone of being a heretic and calls on all Moslems to try and kill the poor guy). This was never a problem in pre-radio days. Back then, a fatwa was simply a religious interpretation (or just opinion) given to a small group of people, or an individual. But now, an inspiring (and often unscrupulous) preacher can get on satellite TV or a radio show and issue all manner of religiously incorrect, and dangerous fatwas.”  

July 3rd, 2013, 8:10 am

 

Citizen said:

106. DON
i will be soon !

July 3rd, 2013, 8:36 am

 
 

Tara said:

Must read!!!

The depravity of the regime has no limit.  Beheading the catholic priest was a hoax!  A propaganda tool by Batta and Co.
—-

Syria: Father Francois Murad Beheading Video an Assad Propaganda Hoax

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/485700/20130702/syria-catholic-priest-beheading-video-murad.htm

Human Rights Watch has dismissed reports that three Franciscan friars were beheaded in Syria in a graphic video that emerged on YouTube this week. The findings by HRW back claims that the footage was used for propaganda by Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

According to an in-depth investigation by the New York-based organisation, the footage was shot in April and shows the beheading of two people whom the people speaking in the video refer to as shabiha – collaborators with the Assad regime – in the village of Mashhad Ruhin 120km from Ghassaniyah.

The video was originally believed to show the execution of three Franciscan monks.

The killers are part of the al-Muhajireen al-Ansar brigade led by Chechen commander Abu Omar al-Shesheni. The video was arbitrarily linked by Catholic Online to the death of Francois Murad, a 49-year-old Franciscan father.

But the Custody of the Holy Land denied that Murad was one of those in the video and confirmed that all other priests in the area were still alive.

HRW conducted a topographic analysis of the ground in the film and facial recognition techniques on the victims and Murad. In the video, according to the Huffington Post, it is possible to hear the militants speaking in Russian on two occasions. The executioners were identified as coming from Chechnya and Dagestan as part of a group of militants based in Mashhad Ruhin.

The two victims in the video were sentenced to death for arms trafficking and not because they were priests, according to the people speaking in the video.

The first user to upload the video on YouTube was SyriaTruth, a pro-Assad network that has been the mouthpiece for the Syrian regime in the last two years.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:39 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

In this time of crisis, at least we have our priorities straight NewZ

Don asks:

Citizen, any news on the fate of the Israeli embassy?

Don,

Sadly, there is no news on the Israeli embassy, the structure or the handful of individuals who work there. They may have the day off.

BTW, any news of the fate of the Egyptian and Syrian people?

The depravity of the regime has no limit. Beheading the catholic priest was a hoax!

No surprise Tara.

Any regime that calls someone who speaks against the Prethident a “terrorist”, will do anything to divert attention away from his crimes.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:42 am

 

zoo said:

“Return your arms, go home, you have been tricked”

PanARMENIAN.Net – Syrian government aircraft scattered leaflets over the northern province of Idlib on Wednesday, July 3, calling on rebels to hand themselves over and urging foreign fighters to return to their homelands, as regime troops pressed on with the battle to retake areas they had lost to the opposition, The Associated Press reports.

The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has a network of activists on the ground, said 40 civilians and 70 fighters — both regime troops and rebels — were killed in clashes nationwide on Tuesday.

“Abandon your weapons and return to your family,” said one leaflet, aimed at the foreigner fighters.

“You have been tricked,” it read, according to a photograph of the leaflet obtained by the Observatory. An Idlib-based activist corroborated the leaflets.

Another leaflet gave instructions to rebels — foreign and local — to approach Syrian government checkpoints slowly and wave the paper in the air in a sign of surrender.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:45 am

 

zoo said:

Tara

As Sunnis have no religious hierarchy, who is supposed to stop this Fatwamania that has been spreading all kind of dangerous orders and advices as it they came from God?
To who can you send a petition? the OIC? No one has any authority on this wild preachers, then how do you expect credibility and respect?

July 3rd, 2013, 8:51 am

 

zoo said:

#104 Majed

Shias have not yet used their mosque for after-Qoran-classes, basket ball competitions. Sunnis are certainly much ahead.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:59 am

 

don said:

Video: Egypt state-run newspaper: Morsi to step down or be removed

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20130703/105178.shtml

July 3rd, 2013, 9:03 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

You are right. Sunni Islam needs a big time reform. Unfortunately, I do not see it happening except after a Saudi spring.

—-
On another topic, what say you about the catholic priest beheading hoax?

July 3rd, 2013, 9:13 am

 

revenire said:

Did you read the articles Tara? He was shot by the rebels defending nuns from the terrorists. Does that make you feel better?

The Western headlines, and other claims of a hoax, are misleading because he was murdered. Shot, beheaded, eaten – who cares? Dead is dead. Murder is murder. He is dead at the hand of the “peaceful demonstrators” of the revolution. If the Syrian government had done this we’d never hear the end of it from the hypocrites of the “revolution generation” would we?

Only someone hateful would dance with glee and go “He wasn’t beheaded! He wasn’t beheaded!” when he was shot dead protecting women – nuns – from the animals the West arms.

Only a truly sick mind would ignore his murder – a sick, sick mind. I trust you are able to comprehend language so we can only assume his murder doesn’t bother you. Sick.

======

CNN exclusive: Catholic monk not beheaded by Syrian rebels, friar says
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/02/cnn-exclusive-syrian-monk-not-beheaded-by-rebels-friar-says/?sr=sharebar_twitter

Several Franciscans, four nuns and 10 Christians also lived at the monastery, which was considered safe until the raid, according to Pizzaballa.

“When (Father) Franҫois tried to oppose resistance to defend the nuns and other people, the guerrillas shot him, killing him,” according the Vatican Radio report.

Most of the Gassanieh’s Christian population has fled, Pizzaballa told Vatican Radio, after weeks of assaults by Syrian rebels.

“Mourad was just one of the many men and women religious putting their faith on the front line in Syria, refusing to abandon the communities they serve, Christian and Muslim,” Vatican Radio said.

“They stay because they want to be a sign of hope, light and comfort to people in the midst of destruction.”

July 3rd, 2013, 9:24 am

 

revenire said:

Morsi’s meeting with fate draws near…

Egypt: State TV center under military control

Egypt braced for a showdown Wednesday as armoured vehicles surrounded state TV building, with hours left to the end of a military deadline for embattled President Mohammed Morsi to meet the demands of millions of protesters or face intervention by the army.
Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_03/Egypt-State-TV-center-under-military-control-4377/

July 3rd, 2013, 9:29 am

 

Tara said:

Rev,

Go troll on hepatitis C site. That is where you belong as Rev.

Or may be defending the murder committed by LaRouchians on another site as Mike59 or 57 whatever your trolling name was.

The regime fabricated the beheading as a propaganda tool. There is no other interpretation to the fabrication.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:34 am

 

revenire said:

Is he dead or not? Yeah he is dead. Dead at the hands of your rebels. They murdered a priest – beheaded, shot, whatever the manner. It is MURDER and you ignored it to shriek “At least it wasn’t beheading!”

You make more of the story than the murder and that tell us all we need to know about you Tara. No shame. No morals. No life.

Go troll in Damascus Tara. Oh that’s right – you can’t.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:42 am

 

revenire said:

“At least he wasn’t beheaded.”

The CWR Blog
Vatican expresses condolences for Syrian monk killed by rebel forces
June 25, 2013 08:32 EST
By Catherine Harmon
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2360/vatican_expresses_condolences_for_syrian_monk_killed_by_rebel_forces.aspx#.UdQq0Dt01gF

Father Franҫois Mourad

In a statement released today, the Vatican’s Congregation for Eastern Churches mourned the death of a Syrian monk killed in the raid of a mostly Christian village by rebel forces. The prefect of the congregation, Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, extended condolences “to the Syro-Catholic Church, with the Patriarch SB Ignace Youssef III Younan, the Custody of the Holy Land and all the faithful of the beloved nation.”

Calling the June 23 killing of Father Franҫois Mourad an “episode of unjustified violence,” Cardinal Sandri said he hoped the incident would “arouse the conscience of the leaders of the conflicting parties and the international community, so that, as repeatedly stated by the Holy Father, Pope Francis, the guns of war be silenced and a season of justice and reconciliation begun for a future of peace.”

Asia News has more details on the killing of Father Mourad, most of which come from Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa, head of the Franciscans in the Middle East (also known as the “Custos of the Holy Land”):

July 3rd, 2013, 9:45 am

 

revenire said:

Not one word condemning the MURDER of a man of God. No. Only a hateful shriek to try to tarnish the government of a nation she can’t ever visit legally again.

Sick.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:46 am

 

revenire said:

Tara just one question: Was he MURDERED? Yes or no? Skip your fantasies and see if you can find truth in your heart to admit this was cold-blooded murder that you used to try to pour more hatred on Syria.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:48 am

 

revenire said:

Tick tick tick tick…

Al-Zoubi: Egypt’s security and unity ‘national duty’

Damascus, (SANA)_Information Minister, Omran al-Zoubi said that Egypt’s security, safety and unity are a national duty, affirming that the crisis there can be overcome if Mohammad Morsi realized that the overwhelming majority of the Egyptian people want him to go.

In replay to journalists’ questions on Wednesday, al-Zoubi said that the Egyptian people ”have long come of age politically,” stressing that the nation has to side with the Egyptian people against the terrorism of Muslim Brotherhood.

The minister added that ”Hamas is faced with a decisive choice: it is either a resistance movement or a Brotherhood organization…It cannot have them both…Muslim Brothers are US tools, while resistance is against Israel and US hegemony.”

He added that Hamas has to dissociate itself from Morsi’s regime and to not repeat its outrageous stance on Syria by siding with terrorists.

M. Ismael
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/07/03/490555.htm

July 3rd, 2013, 9:57 am

 

Tara said:

The regime took advantage of the death of the priest to propagandize. The regime is beyond depraved as even death is not respected and is used to advance a certain agenda. It makes me suspicious that the regime killed the priest to start with toile it sound like a sectarian killing. Dictatorships have done this before many times
—-

July 3rd, 2013, 9:58 am

 

revenire said:

Tick tick tick tick…

President Morsi has lost his mind: ElBaradei
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/03/312036/morsi-is-out-of-his-mind-elbaradei/

Senior Egyptian opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei says President Mohamed Morsi has “lost his mind,” calling on the army to protect the lives of the Egyptian people.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:01 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Brain-Dead NewZ

The minister added that ”Hamas is faced with a decisive choice: it is either a resistance movement or a Brotherhood organization…It cannot have them both…Muslim Brothers are US tools, while resistance is against Israel and US hegemony.”

Reverse,

I find the SANA article both amusing and sad at the same time, since Hamas had sacrificed so much more to the cause of the Palestinians than Assad has. Meanwhile while Assad is slaughtering arabs with his Hezbollah thugs, Jews and Israel are safe and sound.

What a broken region. What a group of idiots running the Middle East and the even stupider people who support them.

… calling on the army to protect the lives of the Egyptian people.

Which is also protecting the Egypt-Israeli peace treaty…

It’s all about Sunni, Shia, and Muslim pettiness, nothing about bettering the plight of the people and bringing peace to this region.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:08 am

 

Tara said:

The regime took advantage of the death of the priest to propagandize. The regime is beyond depraved as even death is not respected and is used to advance a certain agenda. It makes me suspicious that the regime killed the priest to start with toile it sound like a sectarian killing. Dictatorships have done this before many times

July 3rd, 2013, 10:08 am

 

revenire said:

Murder, not death. Death is when I get hit by a car or die from diseas e or old age. This was MURDER and a murder you are hatefully using to spread lies about the government.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:12 am

 

revenire said:

Your paranoid conspiracy theories are not going to be entertained Tara. Do you have proof the government murdered this priest?

You are full of hatred and called for Assad’s death many times here. Your hate clouds your mind.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:17 am

 

revenire said:

The so-called revolution is backed by dictatorships – Qatar and Saudi Arabia. You make no sense Tara. You never do.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:20 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Death is when I get hit by a car or die from diseas e or old age.

Reverse,

You left out a few examples. Death is also when your apartment building collapses on you when hit by a tank shell or Scud missile or when you get fired upon when attending a peaceful demonstration or standing in line buying bread.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:24 am

 

revenire said:

Or when a Zionist shoots a kid hurling rocks or murders a baby just because he is an Arab or bulldozes a house full of people.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:28 am

 

AKbar Palace said:

That’s right Reverse, change the subject…right on cue 😉

July 3rd, 2013, 10:35 am

 

revenire said:

Murder is murder. Israel backs the terrorists attacking Syria – they have forever.

It is not changing the subject. You want to separate the two but they are intertwined and always will be.

Zionists murder Palestinians and are backing the rebels in the war because they fear Assad.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:39 am

 

zoo said:

Moslem Brotherhood’s show of solidarity

Ankara calls on Cairo to stick to democratic norms

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ankara-calls-on-cairo-to-stick-to-democratic-norms.aspx?pageID=238&nID=49968&NewsCatID=352

Turkey adds its voice to the clamor demanding that Egypt’s military avoid any intervention in politics as an army-imposed deadline approached for President Morsi to meet the ‘people’s demands’ amid large protests

In a show of clear support, EU Minister Egemen Bağış hailed the firm stance of Morsi against coup plotters as the democratically elected leader of Egypt. Underlining that the worst democracy is even much better the best version of military coups, Bağış said: “Mr. Morsi tried to make very important reforms in a very short period of time in a country whit so many problems and where reforms are hard to realize.

Bağış said Morsi deserved the support of the entire world especially of the European Union. “We should stand against military coups everywhere in the world. We should stand together against any form of coup,” he stressed.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:40 am

 

Tara said:

Rev,

I do not exchange with professional trolls who are white Americans on disability pretending to be Syrians. You just do not interest me. Sorry.

Addressing me too many time on your posts hoping for one response out of 10 is not gonna give you legitimacy.

Next time, use different trolling name and learn the language first.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:41 am

 

revenire said:

The Syrian government has every right to fight Al-Qaeda/Nusra with the full force of the army. It is exactly what the US, or Israel, would do given the same set of facts. Some want to maintain a propaganda fiction that this is about “peaceful demonstrators” when Dr. Landis himself in TIME magazine suggested a conspiracy against Syria led by the US starting back in the mid-2000s.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00.html

It has nothing to do with any fairy tale about Hamza or a “revolution generation” (cannibals?) etc.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:42 am

 

revenire said:

Tara you didn’t like me telling the truth about the murder your “revolution generation” of cannibals committed with the Catholic. Too bad.

Revenire is a fine name Tara. I don’t see any problem with it at all.

🙂

July 3rd, 2013, 10:45 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

It is not changing the subject. You want to separate the two but they are intertwined and always will be.

Reverse,

I was responding to your post #135 when you (of all people) were lecturing to Tara about the differnce between “death” and “murder”.

These definitions are not interwined; they are basic. Just like Freedom and Human Rights.

So continue to deflect, lie, and make-up your own definitions… we’re used to it.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:46 am

 

revenire said:

Zionists have no right to lecture on human rights. The Zionists give no freedom to Palestine. They’ve stolen their land and murdered their children.

The Zionists back the rebels:

Peres supports US plan to arm Syria rebels
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Peres-throws-his-weight-behind-US-plan-to-arm-Syria-rebels-316898

July 3rd, 2013, 10:48 am

 

revenire said:

Akbar a priest was murdered by the people you claim are fighting for freedom and human rights. He was protecting nuns. Was he a “regime” priest and that makes it okay?

You’re the one who changed the subject.

The subject is the priest was murdered by the “revolution generation” of cannibals and beheaders you and Tara support.

No shame. No morals. Just hatred of Syria.

Do you know how many times you and Tara have danced with Satanic glee when Syrian soldiers have been killed defending Syria from Al-Qaeda? How many times you’ve called for the death of Assad?

Pure evil.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:52 am

 

revenire said:

Tick tick tick…

Seven minutes for Morsi.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:54 am

 

zoo said:

#122 Tara

I don’t follow the gory details of the horrors that this so-called revolution has caused to Syria. The priest was murdered, whether beheaded or not it is irrelevant. This religious virus that has infested the rebels has transformed normal people into monsters.

The only way to stop these excesses is a cease fire and an unconditional dialog.
The ones who refuse the dialog by invoking reasons about the dignity of their “ego” are responsible for the propagation of the virus and the death toll.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:54 am

 

revenire said:

What kind of revolution murders Catholic priests? Beheads Christians? What kind of animal supports that sort of foul murder?

July 3rd, 2013, 10:55 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Stop your lies, Assad killed more than 100,000 , can you deny that?The regime killed Al Bouti and killed the priests

Zoo
Mutaa marriage is basic to Shiaa religion,Lying is basic to Shiaa religion, they worship of Husein and Ali as Wali is basic for their religion,Their faqih is similar to the pope position, Sunni is against all of that

July 3rd, 2013, 10:56 am

 

revenire said:

Majed that is a filthy lie. Al-Bouti was murdered by the rebels.

You are a supporter of terrorism.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:01 am

 

revenire said:

152. MAJEDKHALDOUN said: “Lying is basic to Shiaa religion.”

Majed why are you attacking the second largest denomination of Islam? Are you so full of hatred?

Sick.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:03 am

 

Ziad said:

Mohamed Morsi Sent Egyptian Jihadi Cell to Kill US Ambassador Chris Stevens in Benghazi

Concerning the most important claim of the Libyan memo, Raymond Ibrahim, (an American research librarian, translator, and author, whose focus is Arabic history, language, and current events) indicates that “during interrogations, these Egyptian jihadi cell members ‘confessed to very serious and important information concerning the financial sources of the group and the planners of the event and the storming and burning of the U.S. consulate in Benghazi…. And among the more prominent figures whose names were mentioned by cell members during confessions: Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi…’”

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/mohamed-morsi-sent-egyptian-jihadi-cell-to-kill-us-ambassador-chris-stevens-in-benghazi-2674010.html

July 3rd, 2013, 11:06 am

 

revenire said:

Tick tick tick…

The Egyptian military released new images taken from the skies above Cairo during this weekend’s huge anti-government protests. Hundreds of thousands of protesters can be seen gathered at Tahrir Square and the Ittihadiya presidential palace. (July 2)

July 3rd, 2013, 11:06 am

 

zoo said:

Morsy’s foreign policy: Maybe well intentioned but weak, unskilled thus incoherent

After Morsi, the geopolitical fallout
By Kaveh L Afrasiabi
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-05-030713.html

Thus, in retrospect, and assuming that Morsi’s fate has been sealed by the end of the week as all the signs indicate, his year-long presidency will likely be regarded by future historians as a short-lived attempt at foreign policy reorientation aimed at elevating Egypt’s role as an independent regional actor – one that was caught in the dilemma of conflicting loyalties, such as the fact that getting closer to the Shi’ite Iranians made sense on the geopolitical level but not on the Shi’ite-Sunni fault line.

In turn, this led to incoherent policies that ultimately satisfied no one and was aggravated by Morsi’s lack of diplomatic skills and inability to bargain hard for leverages.

Henceforth, a post-Morsi Egypt will likely embed itself more firmly in the Saudi-led conservative camp, take a more assertive role vis-a-vis the crisis in Syria, provide greater assurance to Israel and put to rest the US and Israeli concerns about any regional realignment, in other words, a “thermidorian” restoration of status quo foreign policy approach favored by the unreconstructed Egyptian armed forces.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:07 am

 

revenire said:

152. MAJEDKHALDOUN said: “Assad killed more than 100,000 , can you deny that?”

Yes, I do deny it. Do you have any proof? I say Assad hasn’t killed anyone. I say the war had murdered more supporters of the Syrian government than anyone else. According to the SOHR figures, the majority of the dead are Syrian soldiers (mostly Sunni SAA soldiers) and civilian supporters of the government targeted by the terrorists.

In fact, the terrorists in Aleppo even bomb opposition supporters.

You’re making it up as you go along.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:16 am

 

Tara said:

I just lit a candle in Notre Dam church in old Montreal for the soul of the catholic priest and for peace in Syria.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:24 am

 

Ziad said:

Takfiris militants in Syria aim to divide Shia, Sunni Muslims: Nasrallah

Discussing the Syria conflict with the members of the Lebanese resistance movement, Nasrallah said the al-Qaeda-linked Takfiri militants were trying to sow discord between Shia and Sunni Muslims in Syria.

Nasrallah, however, added that the Syrian government would eventually end the conflict with victory.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/03/312032/takfiris-aim-to-divide-muslims-nasrallah/

July 3rd, 2013, 11:26 am

 

revenire said:

I defy anyone – Joshua Landis, Matt Barber, Eshani, Dr. Lund, etc. – to deny that Syria has every right to defend Syria from Nusra/Al-Qaeda with the FULL FORCE of her army.

Not what should be in a PERFECT situation, in the world of Ivory Tower academia, but in the REAL WORLD of war with all its ugliness: cannibals, beheaders and the murder of Syrian civilians by Al-Qaeda and their allies. There are no non-sectarian rebel forces in Syria. None.

It is well known there are tens of thousands of foreign jihadis in Syria. The SAA has the legal right to destroy them all.

It is the same any nation would do.

This entire revolution is nothing but a filthy lie that Syrians are paying for.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:27 am

 

zoo said:

@152 Majed

“Sunni is against all of that”

What are they for?
Fatwamania, Jihad against non-sunnis, cannibalism, beheading, male supremacy, uncontrolled proliferation of mad preachers etc…?

Maybe they should copy some of the Shias hierarchy so they could maybe rehabilitate the Sunni image in the West that has been tarnished by unregulated and tolerated violent excesses.

A bit of self-introspection and self-criticism is better than self-pity.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:29 am

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

The American television station ABC has just announced that Morsi is under house arrest.

Good luck to the people.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:34 am

 

Ziad said:

MB are textbook two-face villain, grade themselves as more pious, enticing hate speech against Christians & other Muslims. They are professional liars who broke every promise to the people.

Dr. Bassem Youssef

July 3rd, 2013, 11:35 am

 

revenire said:

Morsi arrested?

Assad wins again!!!

July 3rd, 2013, 11:35 am

 

revenire said:

Mohammad Morsi:

“My people of Egypt, I ask you to listen to me. I will not resign or share power with another soul. I have named myself King of Egypt. I have now outlawed protesting against me. Any protests calling for my resignation will result in your crucifixion. Also, I have outlawed soap and shoes. If you have any questions, please contact my Minister of Torture, Emir Hamad. God bless me.”

https://www.facebook.com/SyrianPerspective

July 3rd, 2013, 11:48 am

 

Ziad said:

خبراء: الجماعة تنظف تاريخها بتعديل المناهج التعليمية

أكد العديد من الخبراء أن جماعة الإخوان المسلمين تعمل منذ وصولها لسدة الحكم على تغييب رؤية المصريين وتزييف التاريخ أيضًا، مؤكدين أن جماعة الإخوان المسلمين لن تتوانى فى السيطرة على مفاصل الدولة وذلك من خلال التأثير على تغيير المناهج بطريقة تأتى فى صالحهم ومن خلال التعديل الوزارى الذي تم السيطرة على الوزارات التى لها شأن بالثقافة وبوعي المواطنين مثل الإعلام والثقافة.

حيث قامت أكاديمية الشرطة بعد تولى الدكتور محمد مرسى منصب رئاسة الجمهورية بإلغاء فصل دراسي كان يتم تدريسه بشكل إجباري لطلاب الفرقة الثانية بالأكاديمية يتضمن تحليلاً لجماعة الإخوان المسلمين ويصفها بالتنظيم الإرهابي، ويشير الكتاب الذي يحمل اسم “الإرهاب المعاصر” الذي أعده اللواء إبراهيم حماد إلى أن الجماعة تتلقى تمويلاً من التنظيم الدولي لها بالخارج، فضلاً عن جمع تبرعات من المساجد، وكان الفصل الدراسي يتضمن شرحًا للتنظيمات الإرهابية المتطرفة وعلى رأسها، حسب الكتاب، جماعة الإخوان المسلمين.
يأتى نص الموضوع داخل الكتاب “إن جماعة الإخوان من أقدم التنظيمات المتطرفة المعاصرة وأكثرها تنظيما منذ إنشائها عام 1928، وتشرح المادة “ارتباط الجماعة بالعديد من المواقف المرتبطة بالعنف النابع من حركة أعضائها وأنها تنتهج العنف المسلح والإرهاب منذ عام 1935 كأسلوب لحركتها بعد إنشاء الجناح العسكري”..
كما شهدت أيضًا وزارة التربية والتعليم مؤخرا وضع كلمة “جماعة” فى منهج التربية الوطنية وتكرارها كثيرًا بهدف إقناع الطلاب بجماعة الإخوان بطريقة مبدئية.
ومن ناحيته يقول الدكتور محمد شوقي، أستاذ العلوم السياسية بجامعة القاهرة، إن جماعة الإخوان المسلمين تسعي بالفعل لتغيير النمط الثقافى للمصريين بأكثرمن أداة وليس المناهج فقط.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1307.0610.pdf

July 3rd, 2013, 11:52 am

 

revenire said:

Tick tick tick…

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/06/30/Live-from-Egypt-latest-developments-.html

3:49 pm Security slaps a travel ban on Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi and top Islamists, sources tell AFP

3:42 pm The Egyptian president’s national security adviser says a military coup under way.

3:35: National Salvation Front: U.S. pressures on army not to act

3:35 pm: National Salvation Front: Army will strip Mursi of legitimacy

July 3rd, 2013, 11:54 am

 

Ziad said:

It’s the Egyptian Identity, Stupid

Observers are shocked. They do not understand as they watch millions of Egyptians marching in protest, in every major city in Egypt, against President Mohammed Morsi. In Cairo alone, some estimated the number of protesters to be 5 to 7 million. That is roughly a quarter to a third of the capital’s population. The crowds on June 30 may have been part of the largest political protest in history.

Political analysts are baffled. Egyptians put up with the fraudulently elected Mubarak for 30 years, but now seek the departure of the democratically elected Morsi after only one year? Did they expect the man to have a magic wand that would allow him to solve all of Egypt’s economic problems with a single stroke?

It’s not the economy, stupid. It is not just about the fuel shortages, power outages, deteriorating economy or soaring prices. Western media rarely, if ever, mention the Muslim Brotherhood’s assault on Egyptian identity, culture and way of life as a core cause of protests. Could something so intangible motivate such massive demonstrations?

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/egyptian-identity-stupid.html

July 3rd, 2013, 11:56 am

 

zoo said:

In Defence of the Syrian Arab Army

http://www.opednews.com/articles/In-Defence-of-the-Syrian-A-by-Tim-Anderson-130702-40.html

Attacks on the Syrian Arab Army have come from all sides, most western media claiming it has been ‘brutal’, defends a ‘dictatorship’, or represents an ‘Alawite regime’. While the army has confronted violence with violence, a series of ‘false flag’ accusations have been leveled at it, the most recent over the use of sarin gas.

However, in defence of this army, I ask two questions: one, after two years of foreign-backed attacks, mostly from religious fanatics, how would secular Syria have survived without its national army? and two, what legitimate function does any army have, if not to defend a nation from foreign-backed attempts to violently dismantle the state and constitution or, alternatively, to partition the country?

To properly understand the gravity of the attacks on the secular Syrian state we have to appreciate that all violent insurrections in Syria in the post-colonial period have come from the Muslim Brotherhood’s attempts to impose a form of political Islam, dismantling a secular Arab nationalism established by the Baathist system. The idea of a ‘secular’ uprising is simply a convenient western myth.

Indeed, the major regional competition has been between secular nationalism and political Islam. When Egypt’s Gamel Abdul Nasser was the great hero of the former, the big powers promoted the Saudi monarchy as the Islamic alternative.
….
This is a great problem for the Muslim Brotherhood, which has relied on ‘takfiri’ ideas to advance its political cause. The Brotherhood dominates both the exile ‘opposition’ and the armed groups that make up the ‘Free Syrian Army’, and does have some support amongst the Sunni merchant classes. But it relies on sectarianism. It is the Brotherhood, along with its foreign- and Al Qaeda-linked allies, that has promoted the idea of the Assad government as ‘an Alawite regime’, murdering Alawi and Shiia civilians, in attempts to incite wider community conflict.

The Brotherhood pretends to represent all Sunnis, or at least ‘real Sunnis’. In practice most Sunnis reject them.

The Syrian state, whatever its other flaws, has certainly represented a strong secular tradition. There are many signs of this. President Bashar al Assad himself is married to a Sunni woman. The Grand Mufti of Syria, Sheikh Ahmad Hassoun, is a strong Sunni supporter of the secular state. Sheikh Mohamad Al Bouti, murdered along with 42 others by an FSA suicide bomber in March 2013, was a senior Sunni Koranic scholar who backed the secular state. The western media tag on these men as being ‘pro-Assad’ rather misses the point.

Syria’s secular tradition is nowhere stronger than in the Syrian Arab Army. Making up about 80% of Syria’s armed forces and with half a million members, half regulars and half conscripts, the army is drawn from all the country’s communities (Sunni, Alawi, Shiia, Christian, Druze, Kurd, Armenian, etc). However they identify as ‘Syrian’ and ‘Arab’ and confront a sectarian enemy that brands itself ‘real Sunnis’.

A key objective of the Brotherhood’s insurrection was always to split the Syrian Arab Army along sectarian lines.

July 3rd, 2013, 12:03 pm

 
 

revenire said:

The Muslim Brotherhood enemies of Syria are being rounded up by the Egyptian army.

Morsi was an ally of the US against Syria.

July 3rd, 2013, 12:23 pm

 

zoo said:

After the removal of HBJ, the GCC who keeps insisting in the media on the “urgency” of a UNSC meeting about Homs, is either playing with time or just does’nt have a leader with sufficient motivation to make and official request to the UNSC. Australia and Luxembourg are circulating a draft about the need of humanitarian help for the people stranded in Homs. Nothing about asking the SAA to withdraw.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2320438&Language=en

On the situation in Homs, he said Australia and Luxembourg circulated a press statement and it may be adopted later today if Russia does not block it.
According to the draft, Council members would express their “grave concern” about the estimated 2,500 civilians trapped in Homs, as a result of the recent heavy fighting.
It would call on the Syrian government to facilitate “immediate and safe” access to humanitarian staff to reach the population in the besieged town, particularly those in “urgent” need of medical assistance.
It would further call on “all parties” in Syria to protect civilians, including allowing them to leave Homs and avoid casualties, recalling the government’s responsibility in this regard.
The diplomat noted that this move is separate from the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC)’s call on the Council last week to act on Homs, insisting that the Council has not yet received any communication from the Group’s Chairman, Bahrain.

July 3rd, 2013, 12:33 pm

 

Mina said:

Morsi is GAME OVER.

Now, let’s watch the reactions of the Gulf goat-sheikhs. I am sure they will quickly renew their friendship to the new authorities of Egypt. And let their jahili fans in total disarray…

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/75610/World/Region/Arab-countries-call-on-Morsi-to-step-down,-issue-t.aspx
“Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Abdulaziz Al-Sheikh, called on intellectuals and the Egyptian population “to resolve the problems with wisdom and reflection, to suppress bloodshed,” Reuters quoted him as saying.”

July 3rd, 2013, 12:41 pm

 

omen said:

102. zoo said: Is the GCC lying about having called an urgent UNC meeting on Homs?

i would not be surprised. just the very fact that the saudis are calling upon the un security council for help is a huge betrayal.

・ the saudis know the sc is hopelessly deadlocked and a complete waste of time.

・calling upon the sc deflects blame away from the saudis and onto some other outside party.

・calling upon an ineffective body for help means they don’t plan on doing anything themselves to directly resolve the crisis to end the war (such as sending in saudi jets.)

・this signals that the saudis are washing their hands of responsibility.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

syrian said:

بالدليل القاطع الأسد يفبرك فيديو لترويع المسيحيين
By admin– Posted on 2013/07/02رفضت هيومن رايتس ووتش تقارير حول شريط فيديو قد ظهر على موقع اليوتيوب هذا الأسبوع يظهر ثلاثة من الرهبان الفرنسيسكان قطعت رؤوسهم “في سوريا”. النتائج التي توصلت إليها هيومن رايتس ووتش تثبت مرة أخرى أنه تم استخدام فيديو مفبرك لخدمة نظام بشار الأسد.
ووفقا لتحقيقات معمقة من قبل المنظمة الحقوقية، فان اثنين من شبيحة بشار الاسد يظهران في الفيدو الذي يحاول بشار الاسد من خلاله اقناع العالم انه يحارب ارهابيين ومتطرفين في سورية . فذات الشبيحة في الفيدو المفبرك ظهروا مسبقا في فيديو سابق صور في قرية الغسانية و هم يمارسون اعمال الشبيح.
يفترض ان يظهر الفيديو حسب الذين نشروه إعدام ثلاثة رهبان فرنسيسكان. ويحاول الفيديو تقديم الحدث على انه فعل ارهابي ضد الاقلية المسيحية.
فالقتلة هم من جبهة النصرة بقيادة الشيشاني أبو عمر حسن. تم تحميل الفيديو على الانترنت وتم ترويجيه على الشبكة الكاثوليكية. و يظهر الفيديو جز عنق الاب فرانسوا مراد، وهو أب من الفرنسيسكان وعمره ٤٩ عاما.
نفت الفاتيكان صحة الفيديو و قالت ان الأب مراد ليس موجود في الفيديو كما ادعى مفبركوه، وأكد أن جميع الكهنة الآخرون ما يزالون على قيد الحياة. وفقا لتقارير من قبل الفاتيكان، فإن الاب مراد قتل في ٢٣ حزيران في دير يقع شمال سورية ، ولكن ظروف وفاته لم تكن مفهومة تماما، وفقا للفاتيكان.
أجرت هيومن رايتس ووتش تحليل لطبوغرافية الأرض الظاهرة في الفيلم المزعوم، واستخدمت تقنيات حديثة للتعرف على وجه الضحايا و عليه نتج ان الفيدو مفبرك و المستفيد من نشره هو النظام السوري. وفقا لصحيفة الهافينغتون بوست، فأن المتشددين في الفيدو يتحدثون بالروسية في مناسبتين. وقد تم تحديد المنطقة التي والمجموعة التي ينتمون اليها فهم من الشيشان وداغستان وهم جزء من مجموعة من المتشددين المتمركزين في منطقة مشاد روحاني.
وقالت المنظمات غير الحكومية انه بعد تحليل الفيدو يظهر ان اثنين من الضحايا قد حكم عليهم بالموت بتهمة الاتجار بالأسلحة وليس لأنهم رهبان مسيحيين. لذلك فإن هدف الفيديو ترويع المسيحيين وفقا لأندريا افيدوتو من الفاتيكان.
و الجدير بالذكر ان أول من قام بتحميل الفيديو على موقع يوتيوب هي شبكة سيريا تروث وهي شبكة مساندة لنظام الأسد فهي تعبر عن لسان حال النظام السوري خلال العامين الماضيين

http://all4syria.info/Archive/88315

July 3rd, 2013, 1:08 pm

 

Tara said:

I am amazed with Bashar luck.

Everything that has happened prolonged his reign. The removal of HBJ is a real blow to the Syrian people. We are now completely alone. Who in the Arab world is going to bother after his departure? Libya, Tunisia, Egypt? Kwait? Algeria? Sudan I or Sudan II, Lebanon? Jordan and its king who hardly speaks Arabic?

July 3rd, 2013, 1:08 pm

 

don said:

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

Morsi the beast slave of Israel is OUT

hehehehehehehehe!

July 3rd, 2013, 1:15 pm

 

don said:

*Your comment is awaiting moderation.*

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

Morsi the beast slave of Israel is OUT

hehehehehehehehe!

July 3rd, 2013, 1:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Are you getting completely out of your mind
you even deny that your mother gave birth to you, are we dealing with someone keep on lying and all what you said are lies, Assad killed over 100,000 probably 200,000, Bouti was killed by Assad regime , Your mother gave birth to someone she regreted all her life,

July 3rd, 2013, 1:18 pm

 

revenire said:

It is a filthy lie that Bouti was killed by the government. What next brother? Elvis is alive? Pigs fly? You can’t be a real person but are a professional hasbara. It would not surprise me if you’re Israeli.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:26 pm

 

revenire said:

Tick tick tick…

Hama 1982

Cairo 2013

Damascus forever Syrian and never the property of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Long live Assad! Long live the SAA heroes!!

July 3rd, 2013, 1:28 pm

 

revenire said:

Muslim Brotherhood spokesman says all communication has been lost with Morsi.

Hopefully this ___* is on the run in some sewer.

*censored out of respect to cannibals

July 3rd, 2013, 1:33 pm

 
 

don said:

BREAKING NEWS!

Morsi and his islamist Muslim Brotherhood rebels give the Int’l Community One Month to Provide it with Anti-Tank, and Anti-Aircraft Weapons.

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

July 3rd, 2013, 1:43 pm

 

omen said:

why can’t i post? i keep getting blocked. it says duplicate post but the first one never showed! i don’t even get a moderation warning.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:47 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Resistance Professional NewZ

Morsi the beast slave of Israel is OUT

So who will be the next “beast slave of Israel” Don?

Syria’s Assad hopeful on Israel talks

November 13, 2009 — Updated 2003 GMT (0403 HKT)

Paris, France (CNN) — Syrian President Bashar Assad says peace talks with Israel could resume if the Jewish state showed willingness to fully engage in the process.

“This peace process cannot only be relaunched by one party. Syria wants peace and we have a mediator, Turkey, which is ready to use its mediation role as well as the European partnership. What we are missing is the Israeli partnership, and we need it in order to renew peace talks and obtain results,” Assad told reporters.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/11/13/france.assad.israel/index.html

PS – Can we convert all the clocks to digital? The ticking sounds are giving me a headache…

July 3rd, 2013, 1:48 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Tara
HBJ will influence the process in Qatar,the new Amir and his FM will follow the same path of HBJ

In Egypt it is chaos at this time, all political leaders may end in jail, and Mubarak will stay in jail, the military will take over,
What we learn from Egypt that democracy does not mean exclusion,but it must include inclusion, this is good for the Syrian revolution, Egypt has economic problem, any new leader can not solve it unless he cooperates with KSA and Qatar, and this is bad news to Assad.
Assad will live long in hell along with his lovers

July 3rd, 2013, 1:49 pm

 

omen said:

176. Tara said: I am amazed with Bashar luck.

not pure luck. europe made a deal with that piece of **** to keep him in power. from regimist favorite, robert fisk. quotes cited from 2012:

“Bashar Assad received some advice last month from a Syrian with whom he is acquainted: if he ended his strikes against civilians, the Europeans would be content to let him remain in power for at least two more years – because the west wanted direct oil pipelines from Qatar and Saudi Arabia via Jordan and Syria to the Mediterranean in order to end Russia’s stranglehold on Europe’s gas and oil.”

July 3rd, 2013, 1:50 pm

 

omen said:

come on, why can’t i post this second quote? :/

is there a rule against quoting fisk?

July 3rd, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen

E mail Matt to the moderation address.

July 3rd, 2013, 1:59 pm

 

revenire said:

Omen it’s a conspiracy. 🙂

July 3rd, 2013, 2:03 pm

 

Tara said:

If one has no shame, one can say anything.  Morsi is an elected prez.  Batta is a criminal dictator.

Syria calls on Egyptian president to step down

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi says the only way Egypt can overcome its crisis is if President Mohammed Morsi realizes that the overwhelming majority of the Egyptian people reject his presence and want him out.

Al-Zoubi told reporters in Damascus Wednesday that Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood is a “terrorist” organization and a “U.S. tool.”

Syria’s own embattled leader, President Bashar Assad, is facing an insurgency at home. Assad has refused to step down, calling the revolt an international conspiracy.

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-calls-egyptian-president-step-down-171307933.html

July 3rd, 2013, 2:07 pm

 

Mina said:

Maybe they could ship him to Saudi Arabia?
As a president in duty he managed to do the ‘Omra three times and the hajj once. He probably want to continue with the same rythm.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-egypt-protests-idUSBRE95Q0NO20130703

July 3rd, 2013, 2:08 pm

 

Hopeful said:

Egyptians are proving to the world that the choice between dictatorship and theocracy is a false choice.

They got rid of their dictator and they are now showing that they refuse to be ruled by a theocratic regime, even if it came to power through public vote.

If the Egyptians succeed in their quest, it could be a turning point for the entire Middle East. I wish them the best of luck. They are the hope and inspiration to all Arabs.

July 3rd, 2013, 2:14 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Mursi major mistake was that he did not support the Syrian revolution against Assad, he could have arranged with Jordan and KSA to send Egyptians to help the rebels in Syria, this will be the job of whoever takes his job, Mursi wanted to work with the devil,Barbarian Persia, Persia is the enemy of Arabs for thousands of year

July 3rd, 2013, 2:14 pm

 

revenire said:

Mina 🙂

Isn’t it funny the title of this thread is “The End of the Line”? It was the End of the Line for Morsi.

Morsi should have broken relations with Israel not Syria.

People that support cannibalism should sit in the corner and hang their heads to cry not give us – the real Syrians – lectures on human rights.

Beheaders have no rights.

July 3rd, 2013, 2:21 pm

 

revenire said:

He’s right:

Syria calls on Egyptian president to step down

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — The Syrian regime, which is seeking to crush a more than two-year revolt against its own rule, is urging Egypt’s president to step down in line with his people’s wishes.

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi says the only way Egypt can overcome its crisis is if President Mohammed Morsi realizes that the overwhelming majority of the Egyptian people reject his presence and want him out.

Al-Zoubi told reporters in Damascus Wednesday that Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood is a “terrorist” organization and a “U.S. tool.”

Morsi last month enraged Syrian officials by announcing he was severing ties with Damascus and closing its embassy in the Syrian capital.

Syria’s own embattled leader, President Bashar Assad, is facing an insurgency at home. Assad has refused to step down, calling the revolt an international conspiracy.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/World/2013/07/03/Syria-calls-on-Egyptian-president-to-step-down.html#cHQ7CEO6DG72dKtF.99

July 3rd, 2013, 2:23 pm

 

revenire said:

“At least they weren’t beheaded.”

Terrorists target with mortar Kyrillos Church in Damascus
Jul 03, 2013

Damascus, (SANA) Terrorists on Wednesday fired a mortar shell on the Kerillos Church in al-Qassa’ area in Damascus, causing material damage. No casualties were reported.

A source at the Police Command told SANA that the mortar shell fell on the Church’s roof.

The source added that another shell slammed into a house near the Red Crescent Hospital in Baghdad Street, causing material damage but no casualties.

http://sana.sy/eng/337/2013/07/03/490567.htm

July 3rd, 2013, 2:28 pm

 
 

revenire said:

Akbar those photographs poignantly show how Egyptians see Obama and his stooge Morsi. I hardly think you will see those photos on the TV screens of the controlled US media.

Freedom is not so free in America.

July 3rd, 2013, 2:53 pm

 

zoo said:

#187 Majed

“HBJ will influence the process in Qatar,the new Amir and his FM will follow the same path of HBJ”

HBJ is out and he has no more influence on Tamim. Qatar has been a poisonous gift to the Arab spring. It has let the Moslem Brotherhood hijack it, and caused destruction and death.
Now we can see Egypt getting a real revolution, away from Islam and Allah u Akbars..
The Moslem Brotherhood will go underground again, their leaders jailed but the Egyptians won’t get fooled a second time.
The coalition will soon elect Michel Kilo as they leader and the local opposition will be the ones that will go to the Geneva II with no conditions.
Sabbagh, Hitto and the Moslem Brotherhood employess will be dismissed. The SNC is finally dead.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

revenire said:

The military has told Morsi he is no longer president.

To Hell with the Muslim Brotherhood! Crush them all Assad. No mercy!!

July 3rd, 2013, 3:02 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

Akbar should love this…….

@ReutersIndia

FLASH: Egypt state-run Al-Ahram quotes presidency source saying the army told Mursi at 7 p.m. (1700 gmt) that he was no longer president

July 3rd, 2013, 3:03 pm

 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

They need to change the term of president in Egypt to one year max

Matthew
someone here on SC had served times in jail,he was arrested twice, and now he came out as pro assad,I think you should have back ground check before you allow them to post, we are getting bunch of criminals

July 3rd, 2013, 3:06 pm

 

revenire said:

Egyptian army just on TV.

MORSI IS DONE! OUT! NO LONGER PRESIDENT!

July 3rd, 2013, 3:11 pm

 

revenire said:

Moris has been arrested!!

“Sally Idwedar ‏@sallyidwedar
Morsi now under Army ‘guard’ and is not allowed to leave Egypt.”

July 3rd, 2013, 3:14 pm

 

revenire said:

Let us hope the Hamas traitors are the next to fall.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:16 pm

 

Ilya said:

RIP ..
Moslem Brotherhood i hope once and forever and everywhere

July 3rd, 2013, 3:27 pm

 

revenire said:

We should have a Syria Comment funeral for the Muslim Brotherhood.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:30 pm

 

don said:

Egypt – Freedom, prosperity and better life. NOT JIHAD WAR ON SYRIA

http://english.cntv.cn/program/africalive/20130704/100217.shtml

July 3rd, 2013, 3:34 pm

 

Observer said:

Well well if you cannot deliver then the people will remove you and that is the message for Morsi

However the way it was done has again set a bad example of the military not being under the control of the civilians.

Nixon resigned without a shot being fired and there were constitutional guarantees that prevents the army from intervening in politics.

Now to think that Athad is winning is another testimony to the complete lack of reality based thinking.

If you think that the Egyptian people are going to resotre normal relations with the retard iPad pseudomodern mafia boss then they are dreaming.

If they think that it is going to demoralize the revolution which broke all expectations then they are delusional indeed.

As for Egypt I would say let us see if the new regime can deliver.

If it cannot deliver let us see if the people will also throw them out.

How is it that a freely elected leader can have a coup against him at this time this is a step back.

But again using force on the people is a staple of all regimes in this god forsaken region

July 3rd, 2013, 3:34 pm

 

revenire said:

Observer what revolution? The cannibals?

July 3rd, 2013, 3:36 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#200 Zoo

Kilo would be a fine choice. The Syrian opposition needs to get rid of the radical Islamists among them, and the Syrian government needs to get rid of the murderous Assad mafia and its rotten security apparatus. When that happens, Syria will be free.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:37 pm

 

don said:

National security adviser says “military coup” underway in Egypt

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20130704/100453.shtml

July 3rd, 2013, 3:43 pm

 

Ilya said:

Everyone who was against Syria and Bashar Al Assad is now out of power!!!
This should be lesson to everyone make sure you have your own house in order !!! before interfering in international affairs calling for someone to step down karma is a bitch!!!
who is next to go Jordan,Saudi King?
no wonder these GCC kings have american bases and troops there to protect them, bunch of hypocrites all of you have blood of innocent Syrians on their hands.
Joseph Bahout ‏@jobahout 1h
If true, this is HUGE.. New #Qatar-i Emir orders #MB Spiritual Leader #Qardawi out, strips him off Qatari citizenhsip http://elbadil.com/satellite-channels/2013/07/02/169633

July 3rd, 2013, 3:46 pm

 

revenire said:

I heard many stories of the Muslim Brotherhood crucifying Christians in Egypt:

ARAB SPRING RUN AMOK: ‘BROTHERHOOD’ STARTS CRUCIFIXIONS
Opponents of Egypt’s Muslim president executed ‘naked on trees’

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/arab-spring-run-amok-brotherhood-starts-crucifixions/#W8Y8wfzkwrdDfMJ7.99
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/arab-spring-run-amok-brotherhood-starts-crucifixions/

July 3rd, 2013, 3:48 pm

 

omen said:

wealthy vested interests refuse to intervene in syria because they fear change. they fear losing power to the masses. egypt shows revolution will not be denied. not in egypt. not in syria. not in the rest of the world.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:48 pm

 

apple_mini said:

We are seeing so many veiled disappointment, feeling of defeat and abandonment here on this site and everywhere else.

The truth is that Egyptians reject MB and all kind of Islamists. It is a major victory. The sheer number of Egyptians on the street scare those MB members and supporters. Their faint rebellious voice has to be tuned down and subdued.

No wonder there is fear spreading among those MB thugs.

The victory of Egyptians came from strength not violence. Meanwhile, Syrian army is spilling blood to fight those Islamists.

It seems irony for the regime to cheer the victory in Egypt. But in the nutshell, fighting against Islamist and upholding secularism are what is making connection here.

July 3rd, 2013, 3:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Military coup against a democratically elected president. 10 steps backward ya Masr. How can this be condoned? The president should have been impeached not have a military coup against him. Are we back to square one?

July 3rd, 2013, 3:59 pm

 

omen said:

215. Ilya said:

This should be lesson to everyone make sure you have your own house in order !!! before interfering in international affairs […] karma is a bitch!!!

i’ll make sure to tell iran & russia that.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Now legendary Basem Youssef can focus on the biggest joke of them all, pathetic d-p athad and its bootlickers.

Someone email basem this blog address. He will get a lot of material from the posting of athad boot-lickers.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:02 pm

 

revenire said:

If the Syrian military did it against Bashar you’d be jumping for joy. If I remember right you called for the SAA depose Assad (when you weren’t shrieking to have him murdered).

The Muslim Brotherhood is hated in Egypt. The voice of the people has spoken.

This is a win for Egypt and a win for Bashar.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:03 pm

 

revenire said:

Hamster if Assad would honor me I would lick his boots. He is a hero to millions of Syrians. I love him.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:04 pm

 

omen said:

tara,

the people will over throw the military too if it comes to that.

mona eltahawy explained it well. (i’ll have to look up her quote later.)

the people saying we and the army are one was just to align forces to force morsi out. that doesn’t mean the people wont turn on the army if it doesn’t accord itself as it should.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:06 pm

 

Tara said:

Morsi is democratically elected president. He should be deposed democratically not via a military coup. Assad is a brutal dictator who killed More than 100,000. He should be executed or tied at the Hauge.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:07 pm

 

Mina said:

A “military coup” where the army discusses with all parties during a whole day? With 14 million angry people in the streets? Unheard of, sorry, that is not the definition of a ‘military coup’.

Best joke of the day:

“Nasser, Sadat and Mubarak tried to get rid of the Brotherhood. Only Morsi succeeded.”

July 3rd, 2013, 4:10 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen@ 224

Good explanation except if the number of supporters of Morsi are higher than his opponents. Do we know how many now support him vs oppose him?

July 3rd, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

Majed97 said:

The quick rise and fall of the MB may finally open the door for a new age of resonance in the Arab world, an age that is truly secular and free of any religious influence. This so called “Arab Spring” may be the test the Muslim world needed to realize the evilness of religious based ideologies. Just as the inquisition gave Europeans the courage to extract religion from their political lives, the “Arab Spring” may finally teach Muslims that religion, specifically Islam, has no place in government.

Through their selfish and savage behavior, Islamists have proven that they and their belief system are unfit to accommodate the free human spirit. They were tested and failed quickly and miserably. Let Islamism for ever rest in peace, and may Islam be a spiritual guide for those who believe in it, not an absolute truth imposed on us all. Let’s hope that the time for an intellectual and social revolution in the Muslim world is finally upon us.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:15 pm

 

omen said:

bolivia once forced a president out of power after only 6 months(!) in office. that is how corrupt he was. protesters staged strikes and even pulled up asphalt by hand to block the roads in order to prevent commerce.

argentina had something like 9 presidents in 2 months during their economic upheaval. they kept resigning or were pushed out. the people cleared out the trash and now argentina is an economic powerhouse.

counting on state institutions to affect reform via impeachment, or what have you, doesn’t work if those institutions are inherently corrupt. sometimes the only to way to get justice is through the streets.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:16 pm

 

Observer said:

Retard iPad Athad says this is the end of political Islam. How about the end of your dictarorship and your mafia rule and your extraction of the wealth and blood of Syrians.

It is a huge step back for democracy in Egypt not that I am sympathetic to the MB. But the president should be impeached or removed via due process not by a coup.

Again, the region will move from crisis to crisis. Now the opposition is asking for a unity government when Morsi offered dialogue they refused and that is their prerogative. If the MB refuses then they will have to form a government. They want technocrats. Let us see if the new regime can deliver food and fuel and education and hope and traffic control and a future for the millions of Egyptians and a thriving economy.

I doubt they will be able deliver. They are arresting people in various TV stations.

We are back to square one.

I am quite optimistic that this is downward spiral to a better day for all the people of the region. It will be very very painful but the outcome will be better.

Hehehehe, how about allowing Syrians to demonstrate in their millions to get rid of the mafia.

Sitting in your own filth and on top of the garbage dump and pointing out the events in Egypt as a victory is the ultimate in stupidity.

Even GWB could not do such stupidity

July 3rd, 2013, 4:18 pm

 

revenire said:

Morsi is toast. If he escapes jail he will be very lucky.

Assad is doing fine.

This is a good day.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:18 pm

 

don said:

Any news about the Israeli embassy in Egypt?

Israel Warily Watches Egypt Turmoil

But with President Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood ousted by the Egyptian military, Israeli officials and analysts aren’t celebrating. There are new fears: the erosion of central authority, rising chaos and economic collapse next door to Israel.

For decades, Israeli feared a surprise Egyptian military offensive from the south. With the new turmoil, however, the concern is focus on the polar opposite: in lieu of an internationally assisted economic turnaround for its southern neighbor, Israel could well find itself with a failed state at its doorstep.

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-268783/

July 3rd, 2013, 4:21 pm

 

omen said:

227. tara, weren’t the anti-morsi protest crowd 33 million? that’s the headline i read. i don’t know if that was confirmed.

astonishing if true. brazil protests were 2 million and i thought that was huge.

unprecedented.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen,

I certainly hope so but who knows?

Batta supporters told us 99,99% of Syrians want Batta. People lie all the time.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:29 pm

 

don said:

Morsi was spotted in Benghazi, Libya trying to hitch a ride with Al-Qaida terrorists on a CIA ship to Turkey.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:32 pm

 

revenire said:

Ha ha Don. I wonder where Morsi is hiding?

The US government is probably freaked out they lost their little toy today.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:36 pm

 

zoo said:

Reve

“The Muslim Brotherhood is hated in Egypt.”

…and in all the Arab world. The fall of Morsy is a huge humiliation to Qatar and Turkey. After HBJ, here goes Morsy.
Both were calling for Bashar Al Assad to step down and were supporting and encouraging Islamist jihad against the Alawites and the Shias.

Any chance of a Islamist take over in Syria is over. I doubt we will see many more Allah U Akbar on Youtube.
The Qatar-Turkey-Mb controlled opposition coalition is collapsing and will be replaced by a secular one.

Arab armies are secular and will defend secularism. This is why I expect the Egyptian Army to stand in solidarity with the Syrian Army in their anti-Moslem Brotherhood and anti-Islamist military campaign.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:37 pm

 

revenire said:

“Serge ‏@Zinvor 16m
#BREAKING: Syrian rebels announce the formation of a Morsi Martyrs Brigade in the rebel-controlled part of Aleppo.”

😉

July 3rd, 2013, 4:40 pm

 

revenire said:

“This is why I expect the Egyptian Army to stand in solidarity with the Syrian Army in their anti-Moslem Brotherhood and anti-Islamist military campaign.”

Zoo I think you’re right.

The SAA put down Morsi’s friends in Hama in ’82 didn’t they?

Morsi called for Assad to leave months ago and now Morsi is gone.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:41 pm

 

Observer said:

Here we go again with fixation on a person. It is not about Morsi it is about legitimacy but I guess this is a word and a concept that is alien on this blog.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:42 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Any army must be immune from religious garbage and be only loyal to the people. What the Egyptian army did is the lesser of all evils, I hope that one day the Syrian army will be qualified to do the same, Syria needs a new leadership and an army that has the trust of most Syrians. Arabs may have to take this freedom and democracy medicine in small doses. I hate to say this but I certainly feel vindicated.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:46 pm

 

omen said:

This is why I expect the Egyptian Army to stand in solidarity with the Syrian Army

dream on. while it’s true, protesters were gunned down by rifles, egypt’s army refused to deploy tanks against their own people.

no, correction. mubarak gave the order to the army to attack. the generals handed it down but the individual soldiers and tank gunners refused to mow down their own people.

you cannot compare the egyptian army to the syrian one. the former have demonstrated nobility. the latter are nothing but a bunch of war criminals.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:54 pm

 

zoo said:

Observer

In Egypt, it is the Egyptians and the Army who withdrew from Morsy the legitimacy they gave him after realizing that he became an incompetent and dangerous fool.

In Syria, despite western countries and MB opposition repeating for 2 years that Bashar al Assad has lost his legitimacy, the Syrian army and Syrians believe he is a legitimate, competent and a reliable leader.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:58 pm

 

revenire said:

Omen what a disgusting comment about the SAA heroes. How sick of you. How utterly twisted.

The SAA defends Syria from terrorism.

July 3rd, 2013, 4:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

“Syrians believe he is a legitimate”.

What does one call that? Kidding? Haven’t we established that you (or I) can’t speak for Syrians?

Why are you speaking for them?

July 3rd, 2013, 5:03 pm

 

omen said:

this is what assad forces have done. an army that violates all international norms can no longer be called a legitimate army. they have devolved into nothing but a pack of organized criminals.

In a vicious assault on the city of Kafr Batna by Assad forces, a nursing child and other members of his family are killed. The attack killed at least 16 civilians total, devastating the already besieged city further. The father cannot contain his grief as his family members are brought in, one by one, in their white burial shrouds. Footage dated July 2, 2013.

July 3rd, 2013, 5:07 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Sitting in your own filth and on top of the garbage dump and pointing out the events in Egypt as a victory is the ultimate in stupidity.

Even GWB could not do such stupidity

Observer,

Everything you say makes very good sense. Please continue posting.

BTW – If GWB conducted regime change with Assad like he did with Saddam, would you be complaining?? It wasn’t GWB’s fault that the Iraqis could learn to protect themselves. They still can’t, and Obama gave up on them.

Give the man some credit!

July 3rd, 2013, 5:08 pm

 

Ilya said:

Nadim Houry ‏@nadimhoury
Local activists report Abu al-Banat’s group previously fought against other local rebel groups & killed local commander Isma`il Arabi
@muradbatal The group of Abu Banat broke up. They quarreled, carried each other takfir. Abu Banat had left Syria (sorry for bad english)\
NorthCaucasusCaucus ‏@NCaucasusCaucus 7h
Kavkaz Center reported that Abu Banat is an ethnic Dargin from Dagestan and a former police officer. They also report he left Syria.
writting on wall?
That guy who beheaded 2 Christians *run like a rat from sinking ship* back to Russia!!!
I also read he behaved badly, even mistreated other Mujaheddin,harassed and tortured womens,civilians, even married one, locals rejected him.

i guess he could not convince Syrians, a Dagestan vision of Islam 🙂

July 3rd, 2013, 5:14 pm

 

zoo said:

#243 Omen

In Egypt the MB took over Egypt with Qatar’s money and the strong and large networks they had built for years within Egypt. They did not need to use the violence to succeed when Mobarak fell, they were the only organized power on the ground.

In Syria, it was the same goal but a different situation. The Moslem Brotherhood has been considerably weaken by Assad junior in the Hama attack. They did not have solid local networks. So they built a network of expats supported by their ideological allies, Qatar and Turkey. They then used violent provocation on the ground to split the Syrian Army and pit the Syrians against each other. The purpose was to weaknen the central government and take over Syria.
What they did not expect is the resilience of the army and the Syrians as well as the desagreable surprise of the arrival of Al Qaeda attracted by a religious war.

It seems that in both cases, Egypt and Syria they failed

This is why I am sure that the Egyptian army will stand with the Syrian army. They are fighting now the same war against the Islamists and the Moslem Brotherhood. Democracy is the next step

July 3rd, 2013, 5:14 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Lessons for post-Assad Syria in the Egypt situation:

– the elections were held too quickly before the electorate and properly-constituted political movements were ready

– Egyptians were not given enough choice in the election

– a half-baked, incompetent and authoritarian group managed to manipulate the situation to get into power

– the above meant the MB didn’t really have a mandate and were never going to be capable of winning one

July 3rd, 2013, 5:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Did the US give Sisi the green light to oust Morsi? Or did Sisi do it all on his own?

I think he was given the green light. His Guardian profile states that he enjoys good relationship with the USA and the KSA.

July 3rd, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

Hopeful said:

Egypt is two steps ahead of Syria. They got rid of their dictator and they got rid of the Islamist rule.

I bet if Syrians were to be allowed on the streets to demonstrate in peace, they will overwhelmingly be against both the Assad dictatorship and the Jihadis.

I give credit to both Mubarak and Mursi for not choosing violence to crush the revolutionaries. They were bad leaders but good patriots. The Egyptian army deserves a lot of credit. Something that cannot be said about Assad and his mafia thugs.

Tara, I do not believe there was a proper “impeachment” process in Egypt for them to try that route. I hope they will lean from this and make sure the new constitution will provide a mechanism to “fire” an elected president if he/she proves to be worthy of impeachment.

July 3rd, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

don said:

OOOOH! This is getting better by the minute!

US orders diplomats to leave Egypt: US official

A U.S. official says the State Department is ordering nonessential U.S. diplomats and the families of all American embassy personnel to leave Egypt after the Egyptian military removed Morsi and in anticipation of potential violence.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the official wasn’t authorized to discuss it publicly, said the State Department had placed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on “ordered departure” status for non-emergency staff and dependents all employees. That means that those covered by the order are required to leave the country. It was not immediately clear if an evacuation operation would be mounted or if those departing would use commercial airlines or passenger ships to leave.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-orders-diplomats-to-leave-egypt-us-official.aspx?pageID=238&nID=49996&NewsCatID=352

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

July 3rd, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

Citizen said:

Sisi in russian means nipples (mamas)! lol 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipple

July 3rd, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

AMEERA said:

أديش السوريين بحبو مصر و ألبهم مع اهل مصر
والله اليوم نزلت الدمعة من عيني و انا عم اسمع الناس عم يحكو عن مصر ولا كأنوا صوت الرصاص والقنابل بحارتنا

يا الهي ما اطيب الشعب السوري الله لا يوفق كل واحد عم يئتل السوريين سني و لا علوي او حتى صخام البين

July 3rd, 2013, 5:45 pm

 

don said:

OH! OH! OH! Canada Shuts Down Cairo Embassy

Canada has shut down its embassy in Cairo as a result of continuing unrest in Egypt.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/169530

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

July 3rd, 2013, 5:48 pm

 

AMEERA said:

امتحان العربي ليرفرن
شو يعني صخام البين بالشامي؟

July 3rd, 2013, 5:51 pm

 

don said:

Israeli diplomats stay away!

The Israeli Foreign Ministry is refusing to allow the staff of the Israeli Embassy to return to Cairo until the security situation in Egypt improves.

Many Israeli leaders fear that the Cairo uprising against President Mohammad Morsi may enable extreme Islamist groups to launch attacks into Israel from Egypt or the Gaza Strip, thus threatening Israel’s stability and further denting the historic Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty.

Former Israeli Ambassador to Egypt Eli Shaked stated that the instability in the region is “bad for Israel and bad for the Middle East.” Already Israeli officials are concerned about being dragged into Syria’s ongoing civil war, which threatens daily to spill over into northern Israel. Israel simply cannot afford a new crisis with Egypt, said Shaked.

One can only assume that any diplomatic crisis with Egypt would lead to the fracturing of the peace accord which has served as a strong anchor of stability for Israel in the region.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23957/Default.aspx?hp=readmore

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

July 3rd, 2013, 5:55 pm

 

Citizen said:

255. AMEERA
الله بالقرآن و السنة و الحديث أمر جمال الخليج استثمار مال الله بالغالي – بدم السوريين !!!!!!!!و بالتحالف مع شعب الله المختار كمان !!!!!!

July 3rd, 2013, 5:56 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

What happened in Egypt is not a defeat for democracy, any new ruler will have to follow the people wish ,it is simply a process where people expressed their opinion faster than what democracy allows,democracy is a slow process,people went to the street and the Army who is supportive of the people has to act to correct division and exclusion.
Such thing can never happen in Syria with a dictator is killing Syrians and the army is mafia army and is not supportive of Syrians,Syrians can not go to the streets to demonstrate freely like egyptians
In Egypt it is the economic factor that caused this correction movement, Egypt will be left alone and the future ruler will fail again in short time since the economy is not expected to improve, and Arab Gulf countries will not help financially.
This is not a revolution agains Islam or religion, the future ellection of president has to be democratical election, Islamic president will come again.
Persia has to learn from what happened in Egypt, in the future they will face the same problem.

This is a defeat for Assad,this means democracy is the only road in the future of any Arabic country, Assad is a dictator, his fate is written ,no escape he will be killed by Syrians

July 3rd, 2013, 5:58 pm

 

don said:

Cameron concerned about “sexual assaults” in Egypt! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

“These are deeply disturbing scenes, the level of violence is appalling,” said the Prime Minister Cameron. “We should appeal to all sides to stay calm and stop the levels of violence, and particularly sexual assaults.”

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/cameron-issues-peace-plea-to-egypt-29390926.html

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

July 3rd, 2013, 6:08 pm

 

Ziad said:

The army gave Morsi the presidency on a silver platter. It took it back with a jackboot.

July 3rd, 2013, 6:10 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ameera
Reverin is not Syrian,not Arabic he does not know Syrian words
I am sure we will find out the truth about him in the future, most likely ex convict

July 3rd, 2013, 6:10 pm

 

don said:

YESSSSSSSSSSSS!

Egyptian Security forces raid Al Jazeera Egyptian TV channel

CAIRO (Reuters) – Security forces raided the Cairo offices of Al Jazeera’s Egyptian television channel on Wednesday and detailed at least five staff, hours after the army toppled Islamist President Mohamed Mursi, a journalist at the station said.

Karim El-Assiuti told Reuters his colleagues at the Al Jazeera Mubasher Misr channel were arrested while working in the studio. The station was prevented from broadcasting from a pro-Mursi rally and its crew there was also detained, he said.

http://www.tidewaterreview.com/news/national-world-news/sns-rt-us-egypt-protests-jazeera-20130703,0,6468525.story

TICK TICK TICK TICK…

July 3rd, 2013, 6:13 pm

 

AMEERA said:

ازا مو سوري ليش عامل ابو زيد الهلالي علينا يعني متلو متل داوود غرباء و عم يتحوشوا بين السوريين

روح لاقي او خود حياة متل ما الاجانب بيقؤلوا

July 3rd, 2013, 6:15 pm

 

Syrian said:

#azmi

المفكر العربي الدكتور عزمي بشارة

في ظل الاهتمام الإعلامي بما يجري في مصر ترتكب العصابات الفاشية العميلة التي تحكم سورية والتي تكنى “النظام السوري” أفظع الجرائم في مناطق مختلفة من سورية في حالة من الفلتان والهستيريا الدموية بالسلاح الثقيل الممول بأموال النفط والغاز الإيراني والدعم الروسي الاستعماري العنصري.

July 3rd, 2013, 6:24 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ameera
اي شخص ممكن يكتب هنا

July 3rd, 2013, 6:25 pm

 

don said:

BBC VIDEO: Syrian mother describes son’s Sharia shooting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23143871

Warning! Very touching

July 3rd, 2013, 6:28 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Posted on Yalla Souriya a few hours ago:

Figures of Regime losses in Men and Arms

According to activists losses in Assad’s army = 68000

Reuters says : 15000 all together (shabbiha, security forces and army)of which 6000 Alawites not yet known to their families as the regme wants to ensure their loyalty.

3700 tanks unfit to work out and damaged of 5000
60 planes remain to the regime : sokhoi
380 tanks out of work completely or partially
280 BMPs destroyed and damaged
131 BRDM destroyed and damaged
146 trucks destroyed and damaged
150 military ambulances destroyed and damaged

3 helicopters destroyed russian made

Reuters : 100000 have left the army – 99% of those coming from Horan have defected

Amunitions used against the syrian people = all those used during the wars with Israel since 1973 of which 10 times those of Lebanese war;

July 3rd, 2013, 6:29 pm

 

don said:

Is it time to shut down CNN in Egypt?!

CNN’s Fareed Zakaria is showing his true Islamist colors. He’s inciting a war between the islamist Muslim Brotherhood and the Egyptian military!

July 3rd, 2013, 6:45 pm

 

omen said:

for people disturbed by morsi’s ouster. this wasn’t a personal grab for power. they are calling this a democratic coup – seeing how elections are scheduled to take place in a few months.

the people’s voice haven’t been negated. morsi didn’t keep his promises. when you fail to perform your job, you get fired. the working class understand this well. it’s about time the elites were made to feel accountability as well.

July 3rd, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

Ilya said:

Revenge: Coptic Church Set Aflame for Morsi
True to their vows, pro-Morsi Muslims are attacking Egypt’s Christians for participating in the anti-Morsi protests. The St. George Coptic Christian Church in a village in al-Minya, Egypt, has just been set on fire by “pro-Morsi” forces. Copts are reported to be in a state of “fear and panic.”

Days earlier, a letter was circulated in al-Minya, which has a very large Coptic population, calling on Copts not to join the protests, otherwise their “businesses, cars, homes, schools, and churches” might “catch fire.”

Thus this church attack is part of the price Egypt’s Christians had to pay to protest Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. Time will only tell what other attacks Egypt’s harried Copts will pay down the line for participating in the ousting of an Islamist president.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/revenge-coptic-church-set-aflame-for-morsi/
Obama concerned his Buddies from MB were ousted haha good riddance

July 3rd, 2013, 6:54 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

1780 soldier defected from Assad army in two months may and june

July 3rd, 2013, 6:58 pm

 

Tara said:

The so called Syrian army is probably non exist. I think it is now the 4th brigade and the republic guards only, of course bolstered by GA and IRCG, and massive fire power.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:01 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Tick Tock NewZ

SL, Hopeful,

Agreed. This seems to me to be a great opportunity, IF, the seculars like Baredei can get voted into office AND, if the Islamists don’t turn to terrorism and violence.

Assad has nothing to say, he doesn’t know what a free election looks like.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:07 pm

 

omen said:

215. Ilya said:
Everyone who was against Syria and Bashar Al Assad is now out of power!!! This should be lesson to everyone make sure you have your own house in order !!! before interfering in international affairs calling for someone to step down karma is a bitch!!!

reappraising this argument, it dawned on me: this is exactly the signal sent in iran but in a converse fashion.

what happened there? a moderate won with views contrary to ruling hardliners. rouhani actually denounced the regime’s violence in syria. i was shocked. the masses in iran used their vote to repudiate the mullah’s agenda. the people have spoken. no offense ilya, but the majority in iran do not support your bastard dauphin.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:09 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen and Hopeful

Overall, I think what happened in Egypt is a very good thing. I think it is a new era for the region. Egypt is now truly a free country. No president can enslave the people. Future presidents will be held accountable as they know if they do not live up to their responsibility, they will be ousted.

I wish and pray that the enslaved tortured stolen Syria will return to its people too.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:09 pm

 

revenire said:

2800 FSA soldiers fled to Turkey dressed in women’s clothes in June.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:10 pm

 

Citizen said:

اذا عزمي بشارة وصف الدعم الروسي لسورية بأنه استعماري وعنصري فليذهب و يكرر ماقاله أمام مانديلا و غاندي !!!! و ليشطب فلسطينيته هذا المخزي!

July 3rd, 2013, 7:11 pm

 

omen said:

273. majedkhaldoun said: 1780 soldier defected from Assad army in two months may and june

did you ever hear about alawite officers who were planning to defect but were caught and executed instead?

July 3rd, 2013, 7:12 pm

 

revenire said:

If not for Hafez Assad the Muslim Brotherhood would have committed a massacre in Hama in 1982. No wonder all Syria loves Assad.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:13 pm

 

don said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

278. revenire said:
2800 FSA soldiers fled to Turkey dressed in women’s clothes in June.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:13 pm

 

revenire said:

Morsi had more reporters arrested than during all of Mubarak’s time.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:15 pm

 

revenire said:

There are so many Sunni volunteers to fight for Assad the army can’t train them fast enough.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:16 pm

 

revenire said:

The promised American weapons have either not arrived or the SAA has captured them to hand out to the National Defense Forces.

Iran has sent 200 new fighter planes and 400 helicopters.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:17 pm

 
 

don said:

Morsi is living on a Russian ship off the Meditteranean

July 3rd, 2013, 7:20 pm

 

Ziad said:

I do not have a good vibe about Egypt. There are strong indications and a series of events indicating that Zionists + US are behind this coup d’état. Things seem to be evolving according to a timed plan.

There was the transfer of the Syrian file from Qatar to KSA, then the abdication of the Qatari Emir, followed by the closure of MB offices in Qatar and giving Qaradawi the boot.

In Egypt it is known that the army is pro America, because most officers got their training in the US and the US practically pays their salaries. There is also the reemergence of ElBaradei who is presumably pro American and sits on the board of trustees of the International Crisis Group, an important policy maker in the US.

It is possible that the US let the MB take control for a while in order to absorb the rising Islamic emotions of the population, knowing that either through bad advice or through incompetence they will fall from power after a short period.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:20 pm

 

revenire said:

Ilya thank you. This is how they defile mosques.

I’ve been monitoring their claims of the army destroying mosques but guess what? They do it themselves and later try to blame the government or they use the mosques as bases loaded with weapons.

It is all very sick.

These people have no respect for religion. That is why they are terrorists.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is interesting:
نقلت وكالة رويترز للأنباء عن مصادر عسكرية في الجيش قولها إن نقطة التحول فى العلاقة بين الرئيس محمد مرسى والمؤسسة العسكرية كانت بعد المؤتمر الذى عقده الرئيس مرسى فى أستاد القاهرة لدعم سوريا ودعوة الإسلاميين المتشددين للجهاد فى سوريا.
وأشارت المصادر إلى أن الجيش أعرب عن قلقه إزاء الطريقة الذى يدير بها الرئيس محمد مرسي مصر.
وقالت الوكالة إن دعوة مرسى للتدخل الأجنبى فى سوريا، لم تلق استحسان الجيش، حيث ألقى بيانا فى اليوم التالى أكد فيه أن دوره يقتصر فقط على حفظ وحراسة حدود مصر، وهو ما اعتبر توبيخا مستترا للرئيس.
وأوضحت الوكالة أن أحد الضباط الكبار الذى طلب عدم ذكر اسمه قال فى تصريحات خاصة للوكالة:” القوات المسلحة قلقة جدا مما حدث فى المؤتمر الذى عقد فى الاستاد في وقت كانت الدولة تمر بأزمة سياسية كبيرة”.
وقالت الوكالة إنه على الرغم من أن الرئيس هو القائد الأعلى للقوات المسلحة، لا يزال الجيش سيد مصيره ومصدر منافس لسلطة أول رئيس منتخب في البلاد
ووصفت الوكالة بيان الجيش الأخير بأنه انقلاب ناعم على الرئيس.
وقال ياسر-الشيمى، المحلل في المجموعة الدولية لمعالجة الأزمات إن مؤتمر دعم سوريا فى الاستاد كان عبورا  ل “خط أحمر” بالنسبة الأمن القومي” من خلال تشجيع المصريين للقتال في الخارج، والمخاطرة بنشوء جيل جديد من الجهاديين.
وأوضحت الوكالة أن الجيش على خلاف تاريخى مع الحركات الإسلامية، حيث تم حظرها منذ علام 1945 بمعرفة الجيش ، حيث يعتبر الجيش ان تلك الحركات تمثل تهديدا للامن القومى . ورغم تظاهر الرئيس مرسى بعدم وجود خلافات مع الجيش ، واقرار دستور يبقى على الامبراطورية المالية وكافة الامتيازات التى يحصل عليها الجنرالات ، إلا أن الخلاف موجود .
The removal of Morsi is a defeat for Islamists and it is a sign for more things to come . Morsi won election by a thin margin, half of Egyptian voters did not vote for him, and half of those who did developed a buyer’s remorse because he started acting like a dictator and was a national embarrassment for most Egyptians.
I felt vindicated because I always believed that a secular democracy is the only cure for the political ills of Muslim countries. Erdogan now has to choose between following Morsi’s steps or making a U-turn in his policies. Islamists in Egypt will not stay idle, they will now resort to violence because sharing is not in their genes, that puts Islamists in the same camp as Baathists and Assadists.it says a lot about Egypt when anti Morsi demonstrations were bigger than anti Mubarak ones.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:21 pm

 

don said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

286. Ilya said:
Turkey Mosque…
https://twitter.com/kavkazcenter/status/352565700247818240/photo/1
holy place hmm

July 3rd, 2013, 7:22 pm

 

revenire said:

Perhaps Ziad but Morsi is gone. Morsi was an enemy of Syria. I am sure there are games being played but this Muslim Brotherhood stooge is gone.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:22 pm

 

omen said:

276. the quote i referenced:

Mr. Rouhani emphasized that it was important to listen to the “majority of Iranians.”

“In our region, there were some countries who miscalculated their positions, and you have witnessed what happened to them,” he said during a live broadcast of a conference organized by Voice and Vision, Iran’s state television and radio organization.

“The world is in a transitional mood, and a new order has yet to be established,” he said. “If we miscalculate our national situation, it will be detrimental for us.”

He also said Iran should not hesitate to criticize the Syrian government for some of its actions in its war against rebels seeking to oust it. While Iranian officials have staunchly defended Iran’s support for President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, Mr. Rouhani warned against a double standard in international affairs.

“We should not describe as oppressive brutal actions in an enemy country while refraining from calling the same actions oppressive if they take place in a friendly country,” he said. “Brutality must be called brutality.”

brutality must be called brutality!

only the insane can deny this regime has been unspeakably brutal.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:28 pm

 

Hopeful said:

If you were a 17-year old girl growing up in an Arab country today, you are used to hearing the following:

1. Your president knows better
2. Your mosque imam knows better
3. Your elder knows better
4. Your male sibling knows better

You stand no chance to become a critical thinker and an independent contributor to your society.

Hopefully what happened in Egypt has changed #1 & #2 forever.
A social revolution is needed to change #3 & #4. Only then will Arab countries come out of the dark ages and join the new world order.

I remain optimistic and hopeful.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:32 pm

 

omen said:

is don the *****’s sockpuppet?

July 3rd, 2013, 7:35 pm

 

Ziad said:

REV

Agreed. It is pleasing to watch Syria’s enemies fall like over ripe apples fall from the tree. I can’t wait to see the turn come to the two evil Adullahs.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:44 pm

 

omen said:

294. Hopeful said: You stand no chance to become a critical thinker and an independent contributor to your society.

perhaps. but some of most audacious & critical voices i’ve heard online came from women in the ME. when you are muzzled or inhibited in real life, these kinds of forums give you an outlet that allow one to be bold.

that girl activist in ksa, for example, championing for the right to drive.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:47 pm

 

Ghufran said:

ألقت مروحيات تابعة للجيش السوري صباح اليوم عدد من المنشورات في قرى جبل الزاوية  التابعة لريف ادلب.
مصاد ميدانية مطلعة على المجريات العسكرية أكدت أن “المناشير أتت لتعطي «فرصة اخيرة» لمن يريد الاستسلام من عناصر المعارضة المسلحة التي تنتشر في المنطقة لتسليم انفسهم الى أقرب حاجز للجيش السوري”.
وأضافت المصادر الميدانية: المنشورات هي فرصة اخيرة للمسلحين بتسليم انفسهم وتأتي من واجب الجيش والدولة لوقف سفك دماء السوريين تزامناً مع تقدم تعزيزات عسكرية باتجاه ريف ادلب لإعادة فتح طريق اريحا – اللاذقية القريب من قرى جبل الزاوية .
What the army usually do is make a threat in one place but hit in another. Homs and reef Dimashq remain as prime targets for Assad, Aleppo is likely to be last on his wish list ,for obvious reasons. If the goal is to save lives, an attack on Aleppo should be prevented and a cease fire must be pursued but that requires a political will that neither party has.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:48 pm

 

Tara said:

Hopeful@294

Just for intellectual integrity, I was raised without 1,2,and 4. And my parents were your average citizens.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:48 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#299 Tara

Give your parents some credit. They were not average! They deserve a lot of credit for the way you turned out to be: smart, vocal, compassionate, and open-minded (I am not trying to hit on you BTW :-)) How many “Taras” do you know among the 300 million Arabs today?

July 3rd, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

Ziad said:

TARA

In other words, your parents prevented you from developing any critical thinking capabilities.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

Citizen said:

Ecommerce website of the newspaper “Al-Masry Al-Yaum” published photo of Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi at the time it is placed under house arrest. According to information coming from Cairo, Mursi, as well as a number of executives, “the Muslim Brotherhood”, forbidden to leave the country.

July 3rd, 2013, 7:56 pm

 

Tara said:

Hopeful,

Thanks very much for your nice words. I never take compliment as someone is trying to hit on me.

I think I was trying to say that We have the seeds for cultural revolution in the ME. My parents were truly indeed ordinary people. They come from religious family. Yet religion was interpreted in its spirit and context, and male dominance was not an issue. I think all boils down to the value of education. The predisposition for our culture to come out of the dark ages is their. It just needs a catalyst.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:17 pm

 

Darryl said:

294. HOPEFUL said:

Can I give you a simple quiz Hopeful, can you guess where does this thinking come from; it should be obvious as day and night?

July 3rd, 2013, 8:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Ziad,

Thank you too. You are sure entitled to your opinion.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:19 pm

 

Tara said:

#303

Meant “there” not “their”

July 3rd, 2013, 8:23 pm

 

Ilya said:

Anderson Cooper did not like what pro revolution guy was saying on CNN ,so he cut him off, stopped interview, said this how democracy works in USA
ridiculous did not let guy finish his sentence,that american TV was lying to Americans about whats going in Egypt.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:25 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Arab leaders, non was elected, welcoming the military coup:
يلي بياخد أمي بناديلو يا عمي
رحبت دول عربية بالتغيير الذي وقع في مصر بعد إعلان وزير الدفاع المصري عبد الفتاح السيسي إقصاء محمد مرسي من رئاسة البلاد، وتسليم الحكم لرئيس المحكمة الدستورية العليا المستشار عدلي منصور.
وبعث العاهل السعودي الملك عبد الله بن عبد العزيز ببرقية تهنئة إلى منصور قال فيها “باسم شعب المملكة العربية السعودية وبالأصالة عن نفسي، نهنئكم بتولي قيادة مصر في هذه المرحلة الحرجة من تاريخها”.
وأضاف: “إننا إذ نفعل ذلك لندعو الله أن يعينكم على تحمل المسؤولية الملقاة على عاتقكم لتحقيق آمال شعبنا الشقيق في جمهورية مصر العربية، وفي ذات الوقت نشد على أيدي رجال القوات المسلحة كافة ممثلة في شخص الفريق أول عبد الفتاح السيسي الذين أخرجوا مصر في هذه المرحلة من نفق الله يعلم أبعاده وتداعياته”.
وأكد وزير خارجية الإمارات، الشيخ عبد الله بن زايد، على ثقة بلاده بأن شعب مصر قادر على تجاوز اللحظات الصعبة، وأشار إلى تطلع الإمارات إلى المزيد من التعاون مع مصر حكومة وشعبا.
ومن جهته رحب وزير الخارجية الأردني ناصر جودة بإرادة الشعب المصري في التغيير.
Bashar may be next inline to congratulate the new leaders

July 3rd, 2013, 8:30 pm

 

don said:

Ecuador, Bolivia and Venezuela declined Morsi’s political asylum application. They accused him of Jihad War Mongering agains Syria.

Israel is the only country offering their whipping boy Morsi asylum.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:32 pm

 

don said:

It’s time to re-open the Syrian embassy in Cairo.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:40 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

This was a military coup. but the military did not assume the presidency

July 3rd, 2013, 8:41 pm

 

omen said:

moderator, is there some kind of policy against one poster assuming multiple personalities on this board?

talk about overcompensating for short-comings. how desperate do you have to be to invent other voices that serve to validate you, and in order to give your arguments the facade of a wider endorsement.

see don & his sidekick.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:50 pm

 

omen said:

not to pick on anyone but i do not understand how one can support revolution in egypt but not in syria. especially if you are syrian!

~~

just think of all the autocrats around the world see egypt not only overthrow a dictator but also depose a president. they must be breaking into a sweat. game over, dictators (and pretend democrats.)

July 3rd, 2013, 8:58 pm

 

Ghufran said:

هيثم مناع

نحن في الثورة السورية بأمس الحاجة لاستخلاص الدروس من التجربة المصرية. يجب وضع التخوم بين المسلمين الديمقراطيين والمسلمين الذين يقطعون الرؤوس باسم الإسلام. ويجب أن يقبل الإسلاميون السوريون بحجمهم الشعبي الحقيقي وأن يتوقفوا عن تأجيج العنف كوسيلة للأسلمة السياسية. ومن واجب أي ناشط إسلامي سياسي سوري أن يحدد موقفه بوضوح من مدنية الدولة والخطاب الطائفي والمذهبي الحاقد ومن توظيف الدين لغايات سياسية سريعة. نحن أبناء مجتمعات مؤمنة لا يحق لأحد فيها أن يزاود على أحد بإيمانه ومعتقده. وقبل الشرعة الدولية لحقوق الإنسان أقر الإسلام مبدأ اختلاف الرأي والمذهب والعقيدة.
مصر اليوم عادت إلى شيخ الأزهر محمود شلتوت الذي آخى بين المذاهب ورفضت دعوات القرضاوي والوهابيين. وهي تعطينا الدرس في أن سورية الديمقراطية لن تبنى بخطاب مشبع بالثأر والحقد وإنما بخطاب التعايش الديمقراطي والتكافل والتكامل بين كل السوريين. وكما قامت حركة مصر بأيد مصرية نجدد مطلبنا بخروج كل المقاتلين غير السوريين من سورية.
Manna’ is miles ahead of his expat Turkoid opposition counterparts, that is why he is hated by some people on this blog, his brother was killed by the regime but he insisted that violence is not the answer, that made him a traitor in the eyes of those who sips latte behind a computer while asking poor people to die in their name.

July 3rd, 2013, 8:59 pm

 

don said:

Morsi role at Syria rally seen as tipping point for Egypt army

Head of state had attended rally with hardline Islamists calling for holy war in war-torn neighbour

Army concern about the way President Mohamed Morsi was governing Egypt reached tipping point when the head of state attended a rally packed with hardline fellow Islamists calling for holy war in Syria, military sources have said.

At the June 15th rally, Sunni Muslim clerics used the word “infidels” to denounce both the Shias fighting to protect Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and the non-Islamists that oppose Mr Morsi at home.

Mr Morsi himself called for foreign intervention in Syria against Mr Assad, leading to a veiled rebuke from the army, which issued an apparently bland but sharp-edged statement the next day stressing that its only role was guarding Egypt’s borders.

“The armed forces were very alarmed by the Syrian conference at a time the state was going through a major political crisis,” said one officer, whose comments reflected remarks made privately by other army staff. He was speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to talk to the media.

For the army, the Syria rally had crossed “a national security red line” by encouraging Egyptians to fight abroad, risking creating a new generation of jihadists, said Yasser El-Shimy, analyst with the International Crisis Group.

At the heart of the military’s concern is the history of militant Islam in Egypt, homeland of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri. The military source condemned recent remarks made by “retired terrorists” allied to Mr Morsi, who has deepened his ties with the once-armed group al-Gamaa al-Islamiya.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/morsi-role-at-syria-rally-seen-as-tipping-point-for-egypt-army-1.1450612

July 3rd, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

revenire said:

Ilya there is no real democracy in the US. Money controls the elections. it is all rigged. The press is made up of prostitutes.

You’re right.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:03 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Some tweets:

* Nasser Sadat and Mubarak tried to get rid of the brotherhood. Only Morsi succeeded.

* Muslim brotherhood is a religious party. They should just accept this is the will of God.

(https://twitter.com/Racanarchy)

July 3rd, 2013, 9:03 pm

 

omen said:

pundits are faulting the shutting down of mb media outlets (ironic when morsi shut down critics himself).

normally, i’d oppose the shutting down of free speech. but i recall what was written about rwanda. the reason the slaughter there spread across the country so widely was because hate speech was broadcast on radio which incited violence across the land.

wouldn’t mb want to incite revenge thru their media? i can see why the military would want to shut them down in an attempt to avoid escalation.

hopeful the bans are just a temporary measure.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:09 pm

 

revenire said:

Capt. Omen please, calm yourself.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

السيد رئيس الائتلاف السوري لقوى الثورة والمعارضة
السيدات والسادة أعضاء الائتلاف
المرسل: عضو الائتلاف، جمال سليمان
تحية طيبة
لقد انضممت إلى الائتلاف على خلفية رغبتي في أن أكون سورياً مساهماً في خدمة القضية الوطنية السورية، وخدمة طموح الشعب السوري في بناء دولة الحرية والقانون، لكن متابعتي لما يجري خلال الفترة القصيرة منذ قبول عضويتي في الائتلاف، رسّخت لدي القناعة بأن وجودي ضمن هذا الإطار المؤسساتي لن يكون مفيداً لا للائتلاف ولا لقناعاتي الشخصية.
وعلى اعتبار أنني أؤمن بالمؤسسات واحترمها، فأنا لن أسمح لنفسي بأن أعبّر على نحو فردي عن قناعات تتعارض مع ما يتخذه الائتلاف من قرارات. لذلك آثرت أن أتقدم إليكم بطلب قبول استقالتي من عضوية الائتلاف، وأرجو من سيادتكم الموافقة عليه.
مع تمنياتي لكم بالتوفيق. عاشت سوريا الديموقرطيه الحرة وطناً لكل السوريين.
(القاهرة 3 ــ 7 ــ2013)

July 3rd, 2013, 9:23 pm

 

omen said:

there is no real democracy in the US. Money controls the elections

true, of course. but it doesn’t stop there. the oligarchs also control US policy. when the US fails to intervene in syria, everyone should know it’s because intervention is counter to corporate interests.

invasion & occupation isn’t the only way the rich make money.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:26 pm

 

Ziad said:

Don’t dare comparing the brave Syrian Arab Army & the corrupt despotic Egyptian one

Egyptian army is not taking side of the people. But simply taking the side of the US that seems to be wanting Morsi out.

You think the army is taking side of the people. And that is what they’re doing, physically.

But, if they’re taking sides with the people to have Morsi out, it is because America and israel want Morsi out.

Egyptian army would never go against US/israel will. Because the US finances Egyptian army. You’ll see that whatever the outcome, Egypt will not change anything in its relation with the US and israel. Just like previous “revo”, stupid “Arab Spring” deception, this one is also US engineered.

Believing this is just Egyptian people protesting and the army protecting the people because of the love it has for people is just insane. Especially in a country living exclusively thanks to US money !!! Believing so would mean that you are indirectly saying that the Egyptian army is like the Syrian Arab Army. Which, as you may know, is absolutely not the case and is a complete absurdity!!! Nothing compares!

http://counterpsyops.com/2013/07/03/dont-dare-comparing-the-brave-syrian-arab-army-the-corrupt-despotic-egyptian-one/

July 3rd, 2013, 9:28 pm

 

revenire said:

Oh I don’t know. The US is intervening now. The only thing stopping them going full hog is Syrian air defenses, Iran and Russia.

It isn’t a monolithic thing is it? The US oligarchy?

July 3rd, 2013, 9:29 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

“I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsi and his supporters,” Obama said.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:37 pm

 

Ilya said:

Qatar is the biggest loser here at least 7 BN lost if not more.
They financed MB in Egypt wasted like 4 BN there,+ 3 BN in Syria wasted.
Dont think they going to get refund
Dont Qatari people deserve raise or something,higher quality of life?
this gas thing aint gonna last forever what they gonna do then?
New Emir better focus on domestic issues,their foreign track record is suspect,few days ago cell of MB was busted in UAE, yikes one defeat after another
What did they get for their money ,absolutely nothing,what was the plan to buy people loyalties towards Qatar or MB?
i guess grand plan was to buy , sphere of influence over whole ME region, and its failed 🙂
Saudi King was delighted to see MB go )

July 3rd, 2013, 9:47 pm

 

omen said:

the US aren’t intervening. they are doing the opposite. they are obstructing. all of the activists are saying they haven’t gotten weapons from the US. the heavy arms sent by the qatar are faulty, so what good are they? rebels are gaining more firepower by plundering regime reserves. the few anti tank missiles they managed to smuggle thru the border aren’t going to end the war.

intervention is a nfz. US officials are spouting lies to avoid putting one up.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:55 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

of course boot lickers will lick boots, born and bread for that. To lick the boot one has to be under it, exactly like a cockroach.

July 3rd, 2013, 9:59 pm

 

Ziad said:

rebels pound mainly Christian areas of Aleppo today around Sliemanieh & Midan with mortars, dozens injured & dead.

edward dark‏

July 3rd, 2013, 10:08 pm

 

Ziad said:

«الداخلية»: ضبط 35 من مالكي القنوات الدينية وملاحقة 34 من قيادات «الإخوان»

قال اللواء أحمد حلمي، مساعد وزير الداخلية لقطاع الأمن العام، إن أجهزة الأمن نفذت «خطة محكمة»، خلال بيان الفريق الأول عبدالفتاح السيسي، وتمكنت من القبض على 35 من مالكي القنوات الدينية بمدينة الإنتاج الإعلامي، وأغلقت جميع القنوات وتم التحفظ على جميع المتهمين، لفحصهم جنائيًا وكذلك العاملون فيها.

وأضاف «حلمي»، في تصريحات لـ«المصري اليوم»، أن «هناك ملاحقة لـ34 من قيادات الإخوان في عدة محافظات، تنفيذًا لقرارات بضبطهم وإحضارهم، وأن هناك تنسيقًا مع قوات الجيش في التصدي لأي خروج على القانون من العناصر الإسلامية التي تحاول الاحتكاك بالمتظاهرين السلميين في جميع ميادين مصر».

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/1913866

July 3rd, 2013, 10:13 pm

 

don said:

Syria a ‘game changer’ for UK terror threat, warns Home Office intelligence chief

The Syrian conflict has become a “profound game changer” and poses the biggest terror threat to the UK and Europe for a decade, the Home Office’s terror chief has warned.

Charles Farr said there are thousands of al-Qaeda-inspired fighters now operating in the war torn country with many wanting to attack the UK and other Western nations.

He said there has never been so many groups and fanatics linked to the terror organisation so close to Europe.

Britons are among them and the fear is they have already or will return to the UK intent on organising atrocities here.

The warning reinforces the changing nature of the terror threat following the weakening of al-Qaeda’s traditional strongholds in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

New threats are now coming from a number of volatile regions around the world which are being exploited by the terror group or extremists inspired by them.

Mr Farr, director general of the Office for Security and Counter Terrorism, told the National Security Conference in London: “Syria is a very profound game changer and the significance of it is still emerging.

“The blunt truth is there are more people associated with al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda associated organisations now operating in Syria then there have ever been before and are that close to Europe and operating with an intensity that is unparalleled since events in Iraq in 2006.

“They are much closer to us, in much greater numbers and fighting with an intensity that we have not seen before.”

He said foreign fighters are “flocking” to the country in numbers last seen in Iraq and warned they are likely to exceed such levels.

He told the audience: “Groups in Syria aspire to attack Europe and have both the capability and means to do so, including returning foreign fighters coming back to Europe.

“I think it is the most profound shift in the threat we have seen in at least five years and I think since 2003.”

Many are said to have joined the fight with Jabhat al – Nusra, one of the country’s most militant groups, which has been linked to al – Qaeda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10157825/Syria-a-game-changer-for-UK-terror-threat-warns-Home-Office-intelligence-chief.html

July 3rd, 2013, 10:14 pm

 

Ziad said:

كلام بطل مصري عن سورية و حزب الله يُبكي الحجر

July 3rd, 2013, 10:19 pm

 

AMEERA said:

دايمن بتطلع براس الدراويش
قمة الاذلال و الاهانة و الله شفقانه عليه لمرسي يلي انضحك عليه من الطرفين

July 3rd, 2013, 10:21 pm

 

omen said:

327. hamster. authoritarian followers have a need to be dominated. it’s a sickness.

July 3rd, 2013, 10:30 pm

 

Ziad said:

Israeli apartheid “more sophisticated” than South Africa’s, says new book

Why Israel? It is a question that every Palestine solidarity campaigner has probably been asked.

Usually, the question is posed as a diversionary tactic. Why excoriate Israel when more people are being killed in Syria than in Gaza?

Suraya Dadoo and Firoz Osman’s book Why Israel? cites numerous reasons to justify focusing on crimes committed in the name of Zionism. Every Zionist believes in the oppression of the Palestinians, the authors state. So an apologist for Israel has no moral authority to champion freedom anywhere.

Zionists like to moan that their opponents are trying to hold Israel to higher standards than other states. Yet it is Israel itself which pretends to have higher standards than its neighbors.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-apartheid-more-sophisticated-south-africas-says-new-book/12581

July 3rd, 2013, 10:44 pm

 

Ziad said:

AMEERA.

من السجن إلى القصر الرئاسي، والعودة إلى السجن في اثنين من سنوات
أدلى كل الاخطاء التي من الممكن. انه يستحق ما حصل

ساعد حزب الله له الهروب من السجن. انظروا كيف كان يعامل لهم

July 3rd, 2013, 10:51 pm

 

zoo said:

Ziad

I am glad Morsy left because he was a moron who could not believe he got the power.
But like you I worry that the CIA and USA were fully behind that coup as Morsy had lately show an worrying independence by flirting too closely with Iran.
It is true that the last move he did to please the Saudis by closing the Syrian embassy and calling for jihad against Shia was awkward, came too late and played against him
It triggered the army reaction to ouster him.

The USA is probably much in favor that the Egyptian army keep the control of the country until a pro-US leader emerges to be elected president.
The Iranians are looking suspiciously at that ‘coup’ . It smells too much the CIA and they worry that a eventual pro-US Egyptian government may ruin the relationship they were building with Egypt.
The question to ask is : How close is the army to the USA, would they be able to show some independent foreign policy or like at the time of Mobarak, it will be dictated by the USA?

July 3rd, 2013, 10:57 pm

 

zoo said:

#325 Majed

Obama’s hypocritical bla bla bla… He is delighted to see Morsy fall, he is delighted to see the pro-US egyptian army take the country, he is delighted that Qatar is out, Saudi is in.

Now the CIA can push for pro-US, pro-Israel Egyptian president.
I just hope that the Egyptians will not get manipulated and fooled again.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:03 pm

 

zoo said:

Al-Assad praises Egyptian military’s overthrow of Mohamed Morsi

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/al-assad-praises-egyptian-militarys-overthrow-of-mohamed-morsi.aspx?pageID=238&nid=50001&NewsCatID=352

Syria’s embattled president Bashar al-Assad July 3 praised Egypt’s protests against their leader and said his overthrow by the military means the end of “political Islam.”

Al-Assad who is seeking to crush a revolt against his own rule, said Egyptians have discovered the “lies” of the Muslim Brotherhood.

He spoke in an interview with the state-run Al-Thawra newspaper to be printed in full July 4. Excerpts were published July 3 on the Syrian presidency’s Facebook page, coinciding with the Egyptian military’s announcement of Mohamed Morsi’s ouster.

“What is happening in Egypt is the fall of so-called political Islam,” al-Assad said. “This is the fate of anyone in the world who tries to use religion for political or factional interests.”

July 3rd, 2013, 11:08 pm

 

omen said:

But like you I worry that the CIA and USA were fully behind that coup

proof? somebody just noted this was timed to celebrate 4th of july.

hahaha

July 3rd, 2013, 11:15 pm

 

zoo said:

It is a devastating blow for the Islamists. They have no more chance to win anything in Syria.

AP Analysis: Morsi’s fall a blow to Islamists

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-analysis-morsis-fall-blow-islamists-021241783.html

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt was the centerpiece of the Islamist movement’s vault to power in the Arab world’s sweeping wave of uprisings. Winning election after election here, the Islamists vowed to prove they could govern effectively and implement their vision of political Islam, all while embracing the rules of democracy.

Mohammed Morsi was their pillar: the veteran of the Muslim Brotherhood, the region’s oldest and most prestigious political Islamist group, who became Egypt’s first freely elected president.

That is what makes his ouster after barely a year in office, with a gigantic cross-section of Egypt’s population demanding he go, such a devastating blow to Islamists on multiple levels, not only in Egypt but across a tumultuous region.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:24 pm

 

Syrian Atheist Against Dictatorships said:

Egypt’s “Corrective Movement” a-la-Hafez 70-71?

A very well thought out plan to return the old pro-Mubarak forces to power, you just watch. From now on no group other than the old National party forces will ever be able to get a majority in any election. The forces of Darkness are on their way back. Jazeera mubasher is closed at the point of a gun, so have the channels belonging to the MB. I do not support religio-political movements but it is obvious that certain groups are being suppressed and others favored at the former’s expense. What wer the charges used to arrest so many MB leaders?

Not exactly what you’d call freedom and democracy.

Morsi should have asked for a constitutional ruling about holding a referendum asking the people if they wanted him to continue as president or not. That way he couldhave saved his party. Now they are out in the political wilderness nearly forever, or for a very very long time, at least.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:25 pm

 

omen said:

341. saad, maybe, but there is also this point. see 318.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Qatar is now isolated in its humiliating defeat. That would certainly trigger a radical change from the HBJ’s promotion of the Moslem Brotherhood in the region. I expect from the GCC a gradual change in their policy toward Syria.

(Except for Qatar) Gulf Arabs welcome ouster of Egypt’s president

http://news.yahoo.com/gulf-arabs-welcome-ouster-egypts-president-224817878.html

DUBAI (Reuters) – Gulf Arab states welcomed the Egyptian army’s ouster of Islamist President Mohamed Mursi on Wednesday following days of unrest in a country once seen by Gulf Arabs as an instrumental ally against rival power Iran.

The rise of Mursi’s Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt following the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak in 2011 has unsettled most Gulf Arab states, including the UAE, which feared it would embolden Islamists at home.

There was no word from Qatar, the only Gulf Arab country to have publicly sided with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Witnesses said the country deployed extra police forces around the Egyptian Embassy in Doha.

Qatar’s emir stepped down last week in favor of his son, raising speculation the world’s largest exporter of liquefied natural gas may be reconsidering its support for the Muslim Brotherhood.

Influential Muslim cleric Youssef al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian seen close to the Muslim Brotherhood who had lived in Qatar for many years, is reported to be in Egypt. He had denied reports that Qatar’s new emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, had asked him to leave the country.

July 3rd, 2013, 11:33 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Another wise tweet:

“The task for Egyptians now is to protect the rights of MB members, even while aware of the shortcomings of their ideologies.”

https://twitter.com/livinrevolution

July 3rd, 2013, 11:38 pm

 

omen said:

honest question: regarding the not-beheaded priest, anybody seen footage of his funeral?

July 3rd, 2013, 11:54 pm

 

Sami said:

Mathew McNaught thanks you very much for this wonderful post.

July 4th, 2013, 12:10 am

 

Sami said:

Tara,

The Alawites don’t dominate the army historically as it is made up mainly by Sunni conscripts, where Alawites dominate is within the Officers Corp. Those officers are typically not what I would categorize as “poor” as they had to pay a wasta to get into the Officer’s Corps.

It is true that the Sunni elites did not send their children into the army and that is why you would be hard pressed to see many Generals that are from Aleppo or Damascus, but the argument Zoo made that the Alawites in the Ofiicers Corp are poor is just nonsense perpetuated by a nonsensical poster.

July 4th, 2013, 12:17 am

 

Sami said:

Syrian and Tara,

Keep it up exposing such fraudulent posters depicting themselves to be Syrian and trolling these pages just so they can feel a human emotion that is devoid in their life.

This fraudulent and deceiving poster is not surprisingly welcomed with open arms by the pack of hyenas that support Assad.

July 4th, 2013, 12:22 am

 

revenire said:

Syrialover I think you should compose of book of tweets. You seem enamored of them.

July 4th, 2013, 12:24 am

 

Sami said:

Ghufran,

Do you really find Ribal such an admirable person?

The Alawi community deserves a leader that is a million folds better than any Assad can ever deliver on. Rallying behind a thug like Ribal will only help alienate them, not to mention the fact there are much more important and skillful Alawites out there than the inept child with a notion that Syria somehow belongs to him and his family of thugs.

Haven’t the Assad’s done enough to the Alawi community?

July 4th, 2013, 12:28 am

 

omen said:

notice the pro iraq war, anti syria rev, corporatist punditry are against the coup that overthrew the mb. interesting.

(yes, there needs to be a shorter term for this.)

July 4th, 2013, 12:32 am

 

revenire said:

“the argument Zoo made that the Alawites in the Ofiicers Corp are poor is just nonsense perpetuated by a nonsensical poster”

Not nearly as nonsensical as the idea cannibals and beheaders are bringing freedom to Syrians.

July 4th, 2013, 12:38 am

 

revenire said:

The Muslim Brotherhood is a Western project. The idea was to have an array of Sunni states, allies to the US and Israel, to challenge Iran Syria and Hezbollah. Morsi’s defeat buries that plan deep in the ground. The US CIA had nothing to do with the downfall of Morsi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD0fvLnnCMM

Morsi Ousted: Failure of the Western-Backed “Muslim Brotherhood” Project for the Middle East

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has been stripped of his power by the Egyptian army and the constitution has been suspended, General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi said in a statement. Egypt’s chief justice of the constitutional court will become the interim president. Fireworks were set off over Cairo’s Tahrir Square and across the city in celebration.

July 4th, 2013, 12:42 am

 

omen said:

the western backed mb vs the western back egyptian army.

is the question whose the bigger whore?

or

is there no one the US isn’t in bed with?

all the pundits who argued the mb were moderate and democratic have some explaining to do.

July 4th, 2013, 12:58 am

 

ghufran said:

I did not expect you, sami, to fall in the same trap as people who do not have your wit and logic, I posted Ribal’s piece because it was interesting not because I support him, I do not want to hear this last name, Assad, again in politics, we had enough of the Assads since the 1960s, but I can not say the guy, ribal, is a thug because his dad was, I know very little about the man to support him or oppose him. I also do not believe any future Assad will win clean national elections for years to come, that does not mean Assads and Makhloufs do not have local support among some alawites. For this site to be informative it needs to be factual. I stand by what I said about the guy and the interview, some of you took that as an endorsement for the guy, it is not.

July 4th, 2013, 1:03 am

 

don said:

The Shadow War Against Syria’s Christians

On June 23, Catholic Syrian priest Fr. François Murad was murdered in Idlib by rebel militias. How he was killed is not yet known and his superiors “vigorously deny” that he was a victim of beheading, as some news sources are claiming. It is apparent, however, that he was a victim of the shadow war against Christians that is being fought by jihadists alongside the larger Syrian conflict. This is a religious cleansing that has been all but ignored by our policymakers, as they strengthen support for the rebels.

As I testified to Congress last week at a hearing on Syria’s minorities chaired by Rep. Chris Smith (R., N.J.): “Though no religious community has been spared egregious suffering, Syria’s ancient Christian minority has cause to believe that it confronts an ‘existential threat.'”

In fact, this was a finding last December of the U.N. Human Right Council’s Commission of Inquiry on Syria. As in Iraq, Syria’s two-million-strong Christian community, the largest next to Egypt’s Copts in the entire region, is being devastated. Targeted by jihadist militias, they are steadily fleeing Syria, and whether they will be able to return to their ancient homeland is doubtful.

Archbishop Jeanbart of Aleppo’s Melkite Greek Catholic Church explained:

Christians are terrified by the Islamist militias and fear that in the event of their victory they would no longer be able to practice their religion and that they would be forced to leave the country. As soon as they reached the city [of Aleppo], Islamist guerrillas, almost all of them from abroad, took over the mosques. Every Friday, an imam launches their messages of hate, calling on the population to kill anyone who does not practice the religion of the Prophet Muhammad. They use the courts to level charges of blasphemy. Who is contrary to their way of thinking pays with his life.

Fr. Murad was only the most recent cleric to be targeted by these militias. The highest profile attack was the kidnapping by gunmen in April of Greek Orthodox Archbishop Paul Yazigi and Syriac Orthodox Archbishop Yohanna Ibrahim. This sent an unmistakable signal to all Christians: no one is protected.

Some other examples of Syrian Christians, from various faith traditions, who have been kidnapped and killed or never seen again include:

* 27-year-old Father Michael Kayal of the Armenian Catholic Church in Aleppo was abducted in February while riding a bus after Islamists spotted his clerical garb. He has not been seen since.

* Greek Orthodox priest Maher Mahfouz was kidnapped around the same time and has not reappeared.

* Syrian Orthodox parish priest Father Fadi Haddad was kidnapped last December after he left his church in the town of Qatana to negotiate the release of one of his kidnapped parishioners. A week later, Fr. Haddad’s mutilated corpse was found by the roadside, with his eyes gouged out.

* Yohannes A. (whose last name has been redacted by Fides protect his family) was summarily executed. An Islamist gunman stopped the bus to Aleppo and checked the background of each passenger. When the gunman noticed Yohannes’ last name was Armenian, they singled him out for a search. After finding a cross around his neck, one of the terrorists shot point blank at the cross, tearing open the man’s chest.

* A woman from Hassake recounted in December to Swedish journalist Nuri Kino how her husband and son were shot in the head by Islamists. “Our only crime is being Christians,” she answers, when asked if there had been a dispute.

* 18-year-old Gabriel fled with his family from Hassake after his father was shot for having a crucifix hanging from his car’s rear-view mirror. The son told Kino: “After the funeral, the threats against our family and other Christians increased. The terrorists called us and said that it was time to disappear; we had that choice, or we would be killed.”

According to interviews with local church leaders, many fighters do not speak Arabic and do not come from Syria, and are recruited by being told that they are going to “liberate Jerusalem.”

As for the larger conflict, the Christians are caught in the middle. The churches have not allied with the Assad regime. They have no armed protector, inside or outside the country, and they have no militias of their own. But they are not simply suffering collateral damage. They are being deliberately targeted in a religious purification campaign – one that the United States government finds convenient to overlook as it supports Syria’s rebels and praises Saudi Arabia as one of our “closest partners.”

http://global.christianpost.com/news/the-shadow-war-against-syrias-christians-99217/

July 4th, 2013, 1:23 am

 

omen said:

if you didn’t mean it to be an endorsement, you would have said so in the original post.

July 4th, 2013, 1:25 am

 

omen said:

The Shadow War Against Syria’s Christians The Regime Is Waging

Freedom for Doctor Salem Jerjis Marwsh
On August 6, 2012 Assad’s gangs arrested Dr. Salem Jerjis Marwsh,
a Christian, from his clinic in Hama.
He has never seen or heard from since his arrest.
We demand his safe release.

how many christians has the regime imprisoned, tortured & killed?

July 4th, 2013, 1:30 am

 

Juergen said:

No time for tears, Kurt Peldas report now in English

July 4th, 2013, 1:33 am

 

don said:

Getting Laid For Allah

July 3, 2013: Several Sunni Moslem religious leaders have recently issued religious rulings (fatwas) that permit Moslem women to go to Syria and have sex with rebel soldiers to improve the moral of these holy warriors. The lucky guys must be Moslem and fighting as a religious duty, not as mercenaries or just for the adventure of it all. Some of these fatwas permit husbands to offer their wives to rebel fighters. All this is meant to encourage more men to go and fight against the pro-Iranian Syrian government. This is all part of the growing hostility between Sunni Islam (about 80 percent of Moslems and led by Saudi Arabia) and Shia Islam (about ten percent of Moslems and led by Iran). Some religious leaders have even issued fatwas allowing rebels in Syria to rape Shia Moslem women they encounter there. This fatwa came with some restrictions. The rapists must not have had sex (with a woman) for at least two years and the rape should not last more than a few hours so as to not permanently harm the victim and to allow the maximum number of rebels to have at it.

http://www.strategypage.com/%5Chtmw%5Chtmoral%5Carticles%5C20130703.aspx

July 4th, 2013, 1:36 am

 

Sami said:

Sorry Ghufran if I misread your post. I guess I took you calling him a “politician” as an endorsement when it was not.

July 4th, 2013, 1:41 am

 

revenire said:

Juergen the video says the border between Turkey and Syria is closed. Now really – who would believe that?

The only people are those ignorant of the situation, like the intended audience of Westerners or Germans.

It also talks of Aleppo but the people of Aleppo didn’t welcome the men from outside Aleppo who came with guns,

July 4th, 2013, 1:43 am

 

ghufran said:

SL,
I think you overreacted, here is why:
People like Ribal and his family can only prosper politically if Syria gets divided along sectarian lines or becomes a totally failed state, then his family’s money will win him support, as you know many people can be bought. The guy is slick and people in the west could not care less if his dad is accused of war crimes as long as he is paying taxes and spending money. I am not even sure that Ribal himself cares about his dad potentially risky future, 30 years passed since 1982 and Rifaat is still a free man. As for his alleged illegal activities in the UK, one has to wonder why he is free and talking to CNN if he was a convicted criminal. Try to focus on the subject and forget the fact that we do not agree on the Syrian war, posting Ribal’s piece was fully justified even if most of us dislike the guy and his family, I do not know much about him beyond what his opponents said, refer to my post to sami if you care to read more about ribal’s post.

July 4th, 2013, 1:46 am

 

don said:

Drop double standards

The brutality of the recent attacks on innocent civilians in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region proves that the rioters were terrorists rather than “heroes”, as the Western media at times prefer to call them.

The brutal tactics used by the rioters in Xinjiang is typical of terrorists, who believe in “shock and awe” to stun their foes into accepting their demands. There is no place in a civilized society for violence, and this is the principal reason why the international community should unitedly fight against terrorists.

Islamic fundamentalists believe believers in other religions (or even other Islamic sects) are “infidels” and thus not fit to live. They detest modern society, especially the advancement made by women. It is by getting access to such fundamental religious texts that some people in Xinjiang have acquired extremist beliefs, including the penchant for violence.

NATO member states, in particular, have been known for their partnership with such extremists, most recently in Libya and Syria, where extremist groups have been armed and set loose against the rest of society.

In Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra is in control of the rebel groups fighting to overthrow the Syrian government, although its operatives now function under different labels after the US branded it a terrorist group. Jabhat al-Nusra, however, has not had any difficulty in coordinating its activities or in enforcing the brutal logic of Islamic extremism in the Syrian conflict, such as the recent beheading of three Christians and the forced evacuation of Christians, Druze and Shias from the areas controlled by this NATO-supported band of thugs.

Interestingly, neither the United States nor the European Union has even noticed that in Homs, al-Qusayr, Aleppo and other cities temporarily occupied by the Free Syrian Army (a camouflage for Jabhat al-Nusra), Christians, Druze and Shias have been either killed or driven out, with many of their women becoming trophies of war.

Until NATO understands that terrorism is a threat in its entirety, and that it needs to be opposed everywhere rather than just in the West, the world will not be free of this scourge. It is ironical to see France, which doesn’t allow Muslim women to even use veils to cover their faces, trying to push a band of extreme elements led by Jabhat al-Nusra to power in Syria through the help of the gun.

Such double standards will finally boomerang on France, for after assuming power in Damascus, the extremists will set their sights on Paris, London and other Western cities (if not to seize power then to create terror) using Syria as a base in the same way they are using Libya now.

And it’s high time the US-led West realized that by dancing with extremists in theaters like Syria it is placing its own people at the risk of further terrorist attacks.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2013-07/04/content_16722821.htm

July 4th, 2013, 1:50 am

 

Hopeful said:

#304 Darryl

No idea…

July 4th, 2013, 1:52 am

 

Sami said:

اعتصام الرقة امام مقر جبهة النصرة – الرقة 18 – 6 – 2013

This is a much smaller scale than Egypt but it shows nonetheless that Syrians will reject extremism.

On another note it is something else to see women leading the protest, and protesting against Jabhat Al-Nusra in front of their HQ. How brave is that little girl in the beginning? I hope her father will come back to her.

July 4th, 2013, 1:52 am

 

Juergen said:

Hamed Abdel Samad:

“Nasser has tried it, Sadat tried, even Mubarak tried it, but only Mursi achieved to eliminate the Ichuan.”

July 4th, 2013, 2:04 am

 

don said:

Adly Mansour: Egypt’s first caretaker president

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newshour/20130704/103876.shtml

July 4th, 2013, 2:15 am

 

don said:

Brits ‘in Syria terror camps’

BRITS could be being recruited to a huge new al-Qaeda style training camp in Syria, terror experts have warned.

Footage of men drilling in unarmed combat wielding rifles and wearing masks has been posted on YouTube by a group called the Banner of Islam.

Terror expert Dr Sajjan Gohel said it aims to recruit and radicalise Brits — 134 have already joined fanatics in Syria. He said: “We have to be concerned about these Britons returning here.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4996487/Brits-in-Syria-terror-camps.html

July 4th, 2013, 2:57 am

 
 

don said:

Terrorists target with mortar Kyrillos Church in Damascus

Terrorists on Wednesday fired a mortar shell on the Kerillos Church in al-Qassa’ area in Damascus, causing material damage. No casualties were reported.

A source at the Police Command told SANA that the mortar shell fell on the Church’s roof.

The source added that another shell slammed into a house near the Red Crescent Hospital in Baghdad Street, causing material damage but no casualties.

Two citizens martyred, others wounded of terrorists’ shells on Aleppo

Two citizens were martyred, others were injured due to mortar shells fired by terrorists on the residential al-Meedan area in Aleppo city.

http://www.syriaonline.sy/?f=Details&catid=12&pageid=6327

July 4th, 2013, 3:15 am

 

Jasmine said:

http://www.syriasteps.com/index.php?d=145&id=106752

A telegram from Mursi to Erdogan asking for help,a must read.

July 4th, 2013, 4:32 am

 

annie said:

Azmi Bishara ( Official fb English Page)

Thoughts on the Present Dilemma in Egypt

[An edited translation from the Azmi Bishara Arabic facebook page]

1) The Muslim Brotherhood failed to understand the nature of the transitional phase. They failed to grasp that it was not a matter of the strongest party having the right to rule the country, but that all involved had a duty to shoulder the responsibility of governing Egypt. This shared duty of governing meant that they should have involved every single faction in the administration of the country. They should not have fallen into the trap of monopolising power, and thereby carrying the blame for its failures and difficulties. Instead of denying participation to political factions which supported them during the second round of presidential elections, the Brotherhood should have insisted on those groups taking part in the transitional phase from the very beginning. The dismissal of [generals] Tantawi and Annan [from SCAF] provided the Brotherhood with a moment of power they needed to bring others on board. Instead, the Brotherhood announced the Constitutional Declaration [in November, 2012], and with it, much of the credibility won by Morsi was dithered away. The end result was that other groups began to avoid participation in the transitional phase. Foiling the Brotherhood’s attempts at governance became their new aim. The situation left them with no shortage of justifications to do so.

2) The Brotherhood’s opponents failed to realise that it was institutions dominated by the former regime—the media, the judiciary and other state bodies—which were the main obstacles to the President’s work.

3) The Brotherhood meanwhile did not grasp that they needed to ally themselves with other revolutionary forces in order to face the vestiges of the former regime which remained entrenched within the state. These other groups, excluded from shouldering any responsibility, came to support the remnants of the Mubarak regime, like the General Prosecutor (Attorney General), on the grounds that the actions taken against them were not legally sound. Yet only “revolutionary” and “extra-legal” actions, or a change of the laws, would have made it possible to remove these people. The Brotherhood, bound to take such revolutionary measures, stuck to the book on formalities when others wanted to join in. Yet they also violated formalities when these stood in the way of their aims.

4) Remnants of the Mubarak regime seized their chance and ratcheted up their agitation against the elected President in an atmosphere of recrimination against the Brotherhood by other revolutionary factions.

5) The estrangement of an elected president in this way, through military intervention, holds out the risk of a spiral of events which may complicate any democratic transition. A further set of dangers is born of the possible conclusions which Islamists might deduce about electoral politics, given that they were excluded from what had been to them an important experience. Will they follow the lead of Turkey’s AKP, becoming ever more democratic with each act of military repression? Or will they instead react against any type of democratic participation? These questions cut to the heart of the democratic experiment and the fate of that experiment, as well attitudes of wide swathes of the public towards it. They should be asked by all responsible people, and are not to be taken lightly.

6) A further problematic is when wide swathes of the revolutionary movements defend a judiciary which constantly issues ruling in favour of the former regime, instead of demanding that this judiciary be reformed.

7) The Brotherhood’s stumbling block has been its partisanship, which is in fact more extreme than their religiosity. This has prevented them from allowing the interests of the nation and society to supersede those of the Party. The fact that they could not see that remnants of the former regime wanted to capitalise on this for counter-revolutionary ends, is a problem.
Another problematic has been the silence which has faced the former regime’s ludicrous media rhetoric, steeped in falsehoods and myths. The unjustified agitation against Palestinians is reminiscent of how the Mubarak regime behaved during the 2008/2009 war on Gaza.

9) Democratic revolutionaries must now chart a course through all of these problems and challenges, and cannot remain stagnant when the time comes to distinguish between what can be termed “the revolution within the revolution” on the path to democracy, and a counter-revolution.

10) The deposition of an elected president is now a moot point: with a national unity government, the date for presidential and parliamentary elections can be brought forward. The act of agreeing on early elections is itself an inherently democratic procedure. The important point at this stage is how the will of a large and important section of the population has forcefully replaced another, and broken it. The desire for a forceful breaking of the will of a section of population will lead to a deep social schism, one which will pose another challenge to the democratic transition. The beneficiaries will be the usual enemies of democracy.

11) The path to democracy is long, and cannot be decided in the space of two short days. There is no need to rush to the barricades. The important thing is that the generation of the January 25 Revolution remain on course. That generation hold the key to Egypt’s democratic, Arab future, and not the old guard who are sponging off of the youth’s efforts and bickering over the spoils.

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July 4th, 2013, 6:32 am

 

Weekly Links | Political Violence @ a Glance said:

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July 4th, 2013, 7:02 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The imprisonment of MB leaders in Egypt is not justified,those will run for political office again in the future election,and most likely will win again.
The interime president Mansour will have no power, the economy in Egypt will suffer more,and Mursi main mistake he did not improve the economy.
They need to impose more tax on the rich,cut the defence budget by half, US aid to Egypt will dry up, Qatar aid will stop,KSA aid will not be enough,Egypt economy will get worse.

Syria news will come back to be the most important Arabic and world news again in short time, this distraction is temporary

July 4th, 2013, 7:23 am

 

Citizen said:

For 15 days she was forced to “marry” a 15-men
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fspk-observer.livejournal.com%2F321012.html
15-year-old Syrian Christian Mariam committed suicide after bullying from Islamist kidnappers. This was reported by the agency Fides two Catholic priests.
The tragedy occurred in the town of Quseir, which is 35 km south of Homs. The city, which for several months in the hands of the rebels, was retaken by government forces in early June.

July 4th, 2013, 7:32 am

 

Citizen said:

Now the former Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi under escort
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOUYa7LCcAA2OEh.png:large

July 4th, 2013, 7:35 am

 

Observer said:

Ironic indeed that those that support one man rule in thouria are the same ones cheering the coup in Egypt. I guess they only know rule by dictatorship.

Again I am no fan of the MB and notwithstanding their failures, the way they were removed from power and the regression to a dictatorial regime with a front figure head is a step back.

Let us see if the opposition can form a national unity government.

Now back to Thouria Alathad. If only the retard can just shut up as he continues to make pronouncement after pronouncement devoid of any logic or reality. He claims that there is no room for political islam. Well what is Shia then? It is a pure political Islam at its best with the conflict starting from the usurpation of the Khilafah by Mouaouia and the insistence that Ali and the family of the prophet are to rule.

He of course like all dictators welcomes a coup after all he and his father and his father’s ilk came to power by none other than a coup and they remain to the end of time devoid of any legitimacy.

In the meantime if the new regime in Egypt is not going to deliver results within 6 months it will be ousted and I cannot see how it can without massive infusion of outside funds. The question is who is going to send money?

I am ecstatic at all the great news from the region.

Time to break down the old orders.

What next KSA? Lebanon? Iraq? or Morocco? I say Jordan.

July 4th, 2013, 7:43 am

 

zoo said:

Another SNC meeting to bow to the pressure to attend Geneva II unconditionnaly or to show even more divisions

The comments coincided with a meeting of the Western-backed Syrian National Coalition in Istanbul in the second attempt in as many months by Assad’s opponents to unify their ranks.

The opposition bloc is mostly made up of exiled politicians with little support from Syrians trying to survive the third summer of conflict in the country that has been devastated by the fighting.

Sarah Karkour, a spokeswoman for the SNC, said that acting leader George Sabra and senior opposition figures Louay Safi and Mustafa Sabbagh are topping the list of candidates for the new leadership, including an interim government.

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-opposition-have-used-up-all-their-tools-and-failed-says-assad#ixzz2Y4tBD9FA
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July 4th, 2013, 8:13 am

 

Tara said:

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-opposition-meets-leader-show-ready-arms-054121885.html

Syria opposition meets to find leader, show it is ready for arms
By Khaled Yacoub Oweis | Reuters –

AMMAN (Reuters) – Syria’s fractious opposition coalition meets on Thursday under pressure to name a new leader and prove to its Western and Arab backers it can be trusted with advanced weapons to beat back a concerted offensive by President Bashar al-Assad.

Coalition insiders say its international backers want to avoid a repeat of a near debacle a month ago when last-minute intervention by senior officials from Turkey and Western and Arab countries was needed to keep it from disintegrating.

A new leadership for the body of mainly exiled politicians will also need to show that it can forge stronger links with the activists and rebel fighters insider Syria, the sources said.

“The best solution is to create a civilian-military council and move into Syria, with the coalition remaining as an assembly,” said Kamal al-Labwani, a senior member of a liberal bloc of the coalition.
..

A senior opposition source in contact with U.S. officials said Washington, as well as French security operatives, were concentrating on supporting rebel units in the province of Aleppo on the border with Turkey, where new anti-tank missiles are helping reverse the military tide.

“I think we will be hearing good news from Aleppo soon. No one wants to repeat the weakness in logistics that allowed Hezbollah to take over Qusair and paved the way for the offensive on Homs,” the source said.

At the core of Western and Saudi strategy is boosting the Supreme Military Council, a centralized rebel command structure led by defectors from the Syrian army, to claw back Assad’s advances and create a counterbalance to militant Islamists.

Labwani said that the opposition has started to build up its military capability through the Supreme Military Council but Islamists still dominate the battlefield. He said he expected an increase in weapons shipments to rebels, dismissing U.S. and Russian plans for a peace conference, known as Geneva 2.
..
“Geneva 2 is preparation for more war. Does anyone seriously think Assad would give up power to a transitional government that would order the army to take its tanks from the streets, release tens of thousands of prisoners and allow demonstrations?” Labwani said.
..
“The coalition has been arguing about who will be leader while the regime is amassing forces for a zero-hour attack on Homs. All the roads to Homs have been blocked. The only way to get supplies there is by air,” he said.
..

July 4th, 2013, 8:16 am

 

zoo said:

368. Juergen

“Nasser has tried it, Sadat tried, even Mubarak tried it, but only Mursi achieved to eliminate the Ichuan.”

Hafez al Assad and Bashar tried too.

Thank you Morsy!

July 4th, 2013, 8:19 am

 

revenire said:

Assad is laughing at the opposition puppets.

“The countries that conspire against Syria have used up all their tools and they have nothing left except direct (military) intervention.” Bashar al-Assad

July 4th, 2013, 8:23 am

 

revenire said:

The Egyptian army should arrest ALL the Muslim Brotherhood leaders and outlaw membership in the Ikhwan, punishable by death.

They are a cancer in any nation.

July 4th, 2013, 8:27 am

 

revenire said:

Another failure for the puppets.

Syria opposition meets to find leader, show it is ready for arms
By Khaled Yacoub Oweis | Reuters – http://news.yahoo.com/syria-opposition-meets-leader-show-ready-arms-054121885.html

July 4th, 2013, 8:28 am

 

zoo said:

Omen

“not to pick on anyone but i do not understand how one can support revolution in egypt but not in syria. especially if you are syrian!”

I am not surprised it puzzles you, it’s much beyond you. Don’t try.

July 4th, 2013, 8:28 am

 

revenire said:

Omen I will try to help you understand: outside of rabble no one considers what is going on in Syria a revolution.

I hope this helps you understand why the terrorists sent and funded by the most dictatorial regimes in the Middle East are not revolutionaries.

The army will destroy all of them.

July 4th, 2013, 8:42 am

 

revenire said:

Turkish dictators crying the blues

Turkey deeply concerned over Morsi’s removal in an ‘unacceptable coup’
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-319980-turkey-deeply-concerned-over-morsis-removal-in-an-unacceptable-coup.html

July 4th, 2013, 8:48 am

 

revenire said:

“From the free revolutionaries of Egypt: we will stamp on you, Bashar!” deposed dictator Morsi June 2013

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/1044846_487713757972100_1682544171_n.jpg

July 4th, 2013, 8:49 am

 

zoo said:

Reve

I agree that the USA had plans to install Moslem Brotherhood in poor Arab countries that suffer of weak economies. The West thought that they could use their financial leverage to control the foreign policy of these countries toward Israel.

Qatar and Turkey reassured the USA that it was a great plan and that the GCC and Turkey would invest heavily in Egypt so as to consolidate their grip on the country.
All was going well..
What went wrong?
The Egyptian economy needed a big boost to restart and difficult reforms were necessary to encourage foreign investments. The Moslem Brotherhood government was shaky and it shied away from imposing these reforms for fear of popular unrest. While Qatar helped financially, Turkey had a patronizing attitude toward Egypt that cooled off Morsy. Saudi Arabia was suspicious of the MB ideology, so they gave just a lip service.

As the USA and the IMF were withholding the loans waiting for reforms and the confirmation of the pro-USA foreign policy, Morsy made a fatal move: he turned to Iran for help..

That was a turning point. The GCC were becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the MB exporting their ideology. The possibility of an Iran_Egypt coalition was the drop of water too much, so the GCC insisted that the USA dumps Morsy and his MB and find another strategy to enslave Egypt.

This is why I think the CIA got involved in helping the removal of Morsy.
Using political Islam to control Arab countries that have mixed creeds of Islam turned out to be a disaster as the Arab Shias with the strength of Hezbollah refused to be enslaved by the Sunnis Gulf countries. Minorities also opposed it.

After the failure of this strategy devised and carried by Hillary Clinton, the USA must now work out a new non-religious approach to the “Arab Spring”.
The fall of Morsy may be the victory of secularism in the region.

July 4th, 2013, 8:57 am

 

revenire said:

I think you’re right. The IMF has been squeezing Egypt for decades. I think that a lot of the support/foot soldiers of these Muslim Brotherhood terrorists comes from unemployed youth who have no hope. They’re dupes.

CIA ditched Morsi because of his turn toward Iran? Maybe.

July 4th, 2013, 9:11 am

 
 
 

revenire said:

Matt Barber,

Question for you: Why is calling Syrian soldiers HYENAS okay but calling cannibals and beheaders RATS not okay?

Are the SAA soldiers less then human? They don’t have families they love and love them? They are not patriotic? Only expats who can’t even set foot in Syria without being arrested are human? Are the children of soldiers also HYENAS? The husbands and wives also HYENAS? Why haven’t those who have called human beings HYENAS been banned like those using the term RAT been banned?

Why do cannibals have more rights than patriotic Syrian soldiers? Is that SC policy? Does Dr. Landis approve? Do you?

Thank you.

July 4th, 2013, 9:25 am

 

revenire said:

The Egyptians have arrested the head of the Muslim Brotherhood. Bravo.

This only proves, once again, just how right Assad has been.

I hope they hang them all.

July 4th, 2013, 9:34 am

 

Tara said:

Please be assured that Matt will not allow you dehumanizing people to satisfy the morbidity of a psychopath white American on disability, a known internet troll who relish on evilness.

July 4th, 2013, 9:47 am

 

zoo said:

Tara

It does not resemble you to attack so violently messengers and call them names.

Leave this to Hamster, SL and Majed, as that’s the main core of their posts.

July 4th, 2013, 9:53 am

 

annie said:

A must Juergen see
No time for tears, Kurt Peldas report now in English

July 4th, 2013, 10:02 am

 

revenire said:

Matt Barber (or Dr. Landis) why is calling soldiers HYENAS allowed here? Are the soldier’s wives and children also HYENAS? What is the difference between calling them HYENAS and calling cannibals RATS (other than the obvious truth)?

hy·e·na also hy·ae·na (h-n)
n.
Any of several carnivorous mammals of the family Hyaenidae of Africa and Asia, which feed as scavengers and have powerful jaws, relatively short hind limbs, and coarse hair.

rat (rt)
n.
1.
a. Any of various long-tailed rodents resembling mice but larger, especially one of the genus Rattus.
b. Any of various animals similar to one of these long-tailed rodents.

July 4th, 2013, 10:02 am

 

revenire said:

President al-Assad in interview to al-Thawra newspaper: What is happening in Egypt is fall of so-called “Political Islam”

Damascus, (SANA) – President Bashar al-Assad has said that what is happening in Egypt is the fall of so-called “political Islam”, adding that those who use religion for political interests or for the interests of one group will fall anywhere in the world.

In an interview given to al-Thawra newspaper, President al-Assad said, “You cannot deceive everyone all the time, particularly the Egyptian people who have a civilization dating back to thousands of years and clear pan-Arab nationalist thought.”

The President added that after a year the image has become clear for the Egyptian people and the performance of the Muslim Brotherhood helped them uncover the lies made by the Brotherhood in the beginning of the popular revolution in Egypt.”

President al-Assad said the experiment of the Muslim Brotherhood’s rule failed even before it started because this kind of rule is not consistent with the nature of the people and the project of the brotherhood is hypocritical that actually aims at creating sedition in the Arab world.

The President stressed that sedition cannot last in societies that possess knowledge, adding “this is why from the beginning I said their project is a failure before it began and this is what made the Muslim Brotherhood’s experiment fall quickly because it is wrong, and what is built on a wrong principle will definitely fall.”

http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/07/04/490658.htm

July 4th, 2013, 10:06 am

 

revenire said:

Zoo thank you but I prefer to let Tara rattle on. She has shrieked she wanted me banned for six months and is clearly as obsessed with me as she is with Bashar. She cheered when Marigoldran called me “retard” over and over. If this helps her deal with the hatred that consumes her I like to think I am helping her and stopping her from taking it out on someone else.

July 4th, 2013, 10:09 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The new leadership in Egypt is starting on the wrong grounds,arresting people,this is not democratic process.and excluding large segment of Egyptian society.
Adly Mansour statement showed hate and was not neutral,this will disqualify him from being a fair judge,and disqualify him from acting as a good president.
I think they made mistakes early and will plant the seeds for another coup or demonstrations.they need to be inclusive , not exclusive.
It seems that Sisi is planing to be the next president.

July 4th, 2013, 10:13 am

 

revenire said:

I wonder when the millions of Egyptians will arrive in Syria. Any idea brother? Are they taking a slow boat?

July 4th, 2013, 10:17 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

I am glad you asked me. It gives me a chance to explain myself:

What does one do when one knows with certainty that a morbid white American personality misrepresenting itself as a Syrian minority calling for carpet bombing and chemical weapons use and dehumanizing Syrians calling them rats, and by doing so inciting profound hatred and desire for revenge. Does one stand idle or expose the psychopath?

Contrast the message that Reve propagates to every single message of genuine minority Syrians or Arabs on this site. You all call for “dialogue” and peace except Reve whose only aim is to satisfy his morbidity.

I do not have a magic access to know who Rev really is. A poster exposed him and asked him to stop. I just googled LaRouchian and Revenire and learned about him. There is a website dedicated against him. Is it a coincidence he does not understand Arabic? Is it a coincidence he posted under Mike, his other trolling name? Several harassment complains have been filed in Wisconsin against him. He trolled on hepatitis C forum, he trolled for the LaRouchian youth movement, he tolled and tormented patients addicted to anxiolytics on a Benzo forum, he tormented a women whose husband committed suicide.

Do I let him rip us apart any further? Do I let him convince us that minority Syrians want to annihilate us with chemical weapons and carpet bombing. Do I let him incite more hatred. You tell me.

Something in me sees the real person in you therefore I’ ll accept your judgement. If you think I should stop and not remind people that he is fake, I “ll leave him alone.

July 4th, 2013, 10:22 am

 

revenire said:

Tara you’re just wrong about me. I am as Syrian as anyone else here.

You don’t get to decide who is Syrian and who isn’t. I am more Syrian than you are. You cheered the Zionist attack on Syria. No real Syrian would do that. The languages I speak are none of your business.

You hate me because I support Assad and support our army destroying this fake revolution. You always have hated me because of my stand and my support of the army’s efforts to root out terror in Syria. I deny you there is a revolution. I deny the SAA harmed one hair on Hamza’s head. I deny it all.

Before your latest obsession you cheered when Marigoldran called me “retard” over and over until he was banned. You denied you spoke of the FSA Air Force but you did. You called for the murder of Assad over and over. Hatred oozes out of you.

You support the puppets of the West. I support Assad. I am the real Syrian.

If you have a problem with the name “revenire” that is your problem and your obsession.

July 4th, 2013, 10:31 am

 

revenire said:

More animal-like behavior from the “freedom fighters” the West supports:

Al-Nusra Front Burns Bodies of Its Dead Militants to Hide Them

A New fad for the Takfiri groups in Syria was uncovered recently. After slaughtering, torturing, and murdering, the group chose to burn the bodies of its militants in an attempt to hide them.

This new crime was added to the series of the Front’s terrorist crimes against humanity.

In details, the Syrian Arab Army unveiled Tuesday the details of this scandal in Jobar, rural Damascus.

This comes after the army succeeded in clearing the southern west region of the area that constitutes a strategic path to the terrorists and a major station to move from and to the outskirts of Gota.

In the region that also forms a point of infiltration into the capital, the Syrian army discovered the scorched bodies of dead al-Nusra militants.

According to what the Syrian army had reported, several groups of terrorists were located in the area, including “Ahrar Sham, al-Tawhid Brigad, and Ahrar Jobar.”

“Al-Nusra burned the bodies of their dead in order not to identify them,” the army’s sources said.

http://english.alahednews.com.lb/essaydetails.php?eid=23637&cid=390#.UdWI4Tt01gE

July 4th, 2013, 10:39 am

 

revenire said:

Just as the Syrian Arab Army protects Syria – the Egyptain army protect Egypt (from the same perverse enemy).

Arab armies as guarantors of national unity

It isn’t merely the [overwhelmingly Muslim], Arab people who reject Islamic extremism; The Egyptian army’s “coup” against the MB is but the latest manifestation of a political trend that began in Syria in 2011, and was also recently witnessed in Lebanon: Arab armies taking on the role of the guarantors of national unity and internal stability by refusing to allow their nations to succumb to the divisive and sectarian agendas of Amerikan Islam, be it in extremist takfiri or “moderate” MB form. The fact that Obama expressed his “deep concern” over the Egyptian army’s decision , only reinforces this reality and confirms the moral rightness of this trend . Nasrallah repeatedly warned of the US’ aversion to strong Arab armies who are capable of thwarting its sinister schemes in the region. And no matter how distasteful wars and coups are to the bleeding- heart -liberal- brigade, let us face it: there can be no genuine participatory democracy when US/petrodollar- backed sectarian agitators, disguised as democrats are presented as the only alternative.

http://resistance-episteme.tumblr.com/post/54549567476/arab-armies-as-guarantors-of-national-unity

July 4th, 2013, 10:41 am

 

Tara said:

Learn first that Anisa is the name of Hafiz’s wife I.e. Bashar’s mother, not his mother-in-law

Then pretend you are Syrian.
—-

July 4th, 2013, 10:42 am

 

revenire said:

Tara you don’t control this site or who is Syrian and who isn’t. You want my voice silenced and will do anything to silence it. You have called more than once for my banning. That didn’t work so now it is slander and gossip (like you do about knowing Asma’s cousins).

I will never stop exposing the cannibals and enemies of my homeland.

I can search the name “Tara” and find all manner of nonsense but why? Your own words discredit you.

July 4th, 2013, 10:47 am

 

zoo said:

Tara

For me this is a public blog to exchange information and discuss points of views while trying to avoid labeling anyone who does not agree.

I think it does not help in any ways to do that and it is a waste of energy.

July 4th, 2013, 10:48 am

 

revenire said:

Tara don’t lecture me on who is the real Syrian here. No one here has prove they are Syrian, Chinese or Martian.

Men are judged by their words.

You support terrorists Tara.

In doing so you’ve been judged. You want to claim you support freedom but you know Syrian women are being raped by the FSA. You know Syrian little girls are being forced into sex slavery by your “heroes” in the FSA.

You hate me for telling the truth. You wanted me banned. I wasn’t banned so now it is personal slander – a cheap stunt.

You can’t handle an open debate so you resort to slander and innuendo to try to defame me. That tells me you’ve lose the debate Tara (as if there was ever any question you would).

Assad is winning. Syrians love him. There is no revolution. All of that burns you up. Too bad. Deal with it.

Two days ago I asked Matt to go ahead and ban me if he felt it was fair to do so.

I ask him again how is it okay to call soldiers HYENAS but not call cannibals RATS?

I ask anyone here if the SAA has the right to defend itself from Nusra? If they say “yes” then quit crying about massacres, chemical weapons, etc.

It seems to me that those calling for the US to attack should be banned because calling for that is calling for MASS MURDER of Syria civilians but this isn’t my site.

Matt asked us to stop using the word RAT and I did.

I won’t stop exposing the crimes of the FSA.

July 4th, 2013, 10:59 am

 

zoo said:

#401 Majed

I think the new Egyptian administration is starting very well using “stick and carrots”. I think they have learned.

The Moslem Brotherhood who have abused the democratic process to establish a Islamist dictatorship, pitting Christians against Moslems, Sunnis against Shia, Egyptians against Egyptians must be punished severely, and they will.

So will the Syrian opposition leaders who have done exactly the same in Syria and caused 100,000 and millions of refugees and billions of damages.
I am sure none of them will dare enter Syria again. They should return back to their ‘adopted’ country. The few Syrians in the opposition that do not have another nationality will have to look for an exile, Qatar, Turkey or France.

Egypt is recovering well from the Islamist virus that infested the region. I hope a vaccine is found soon.

July 4th, 2013, 11:01 am

 

revenire said:

ورين كيلو‎
ساذج من يظن بانقلاب الجيش المصري على الإخوان فهم من سلم السلطة في الفترة الإنتقالية ومرر تزوير الإنتخابات الرئاسية والدستور وتعامى عن الإنتهاكات القانونية على أكثر من صعيد قضائي سياسي عسكري اجتماعي اقتصادي الخ بالإضافة إلى الإخفاقات المتتالية للقيادة المصرية في أكثر من ملف داخلي وخارجي وخاصة مقتل الجنود والضباط المصريين قانونيا وتطوره على سير التحقيقات والملابسات، الجيش استشعر بخطورة الوضع السياسي في مصر خاصة مع الزحف الجماهيري الهادر الذي لا سبيل لايقافه ما سيُخضع عصابة الإخوان لإرادة المحتجين أيضاً الإستعراضات الأخيرة لمرسي وعشيرته وأختيارهم للرهان الدموي في مواجهة الملف السوري لحسم الموقف عبر التجييش والتحريض الطائفي ضد الجيش السوري الذي يربطه به علاقات توجهية وعقائدية وثيقة عبر التاريخ وتأثير الموضوع طائفياً داخل مصر وقد حدث ذلك بالفعل عبر عمليات قتل للشيعة، فكان لا سبيل أمام مؤسسة الجيش إلّا أن تقف جانب الجماهير الغاضبة للعصف بالإخوان. فضلاً عن الدلالات الهامة التي كانت تؤكد السقوط الوشيك لتيار الإسلام السياسي على أكثر من جبهة وخاصة جبهة الشام.

July 4th, 2013, 11:08 am

 

Tara said:

Rev,

The revolution can’t pay you enough to not stop commenting.

Where else can we find infantile ineffective arguments without substance that exposed the shallowness and morbidity of foreign supporters of the regime.. Please keep going.

Just remember addressing me thousand times on your posts hoping for one out of 10 posts does not give you any legitimacy or validity.

I wasted enough time on you today. This concludes my posts in relation to you today.

Bye bye.

July 4th, 2013, 11:10 am

 

revenire said:

None of these opposition leaders give a damn how many Syrians die. If they didn’t they’d get it together and sit down with the government. New weapons will only kill more Syrians.

Then again, the so-called opposition are just puppets.

I think the only end to this will be a total and complete victory by Assad on the battlefield.

July 4th, 2013, 11:13 am

 

revenire said:

Tara whatever is going on in your head if you go back I didn’t address you at all until you tried to paint me as someone I am not i.e. slander and defamation (like you do with all government supporters).

You reacted to something what I said in #392 and you were compelled to respond. My guess is it is because you call soldiers and government supporters HYENAS and I simply asked why that is okay but using RAT to describe human flesh eaters isn’t.

It seems a fair question to me.

You wanted me banned six months ago and your anger has only risen since then.

July 4th, 2013, 11:18 am

 

zoo said:

Hamas made a wrong calculation and is now a mess.
After it betrayed the Syrian government and Iran that supported it for decades to side on Qatar and Egypt, it now find itself in the cold.
Egypt and Qatar are slowly turning their back on Hanieh and Turkey keep postponing its visit ti Gaza.
We will soon see Hamas shift to its old allies asking for forgiveness, will they get it?

July 4th, 2013, 11:57 am

 

omen said:

414. just so you know, when i say “anyone” or address the board in general, i never mean you.

July 4th, 2013, 12:11 pm

 

zoo said:

The SNC candidates for its “presidency”

On Thursday, the coalition also began the process of selecting a new leader from five official candidates who include interim president Georges Sabra and the former president of the Syrian National Council (SNC) Burhan Ghalioun.

The liberal faction headed by veteran dissident Michel Kilo put forward Ahmad Assi Jarba as a candidate, and the secretary general of the coalition Mustafa al-Sabbagh and a spokesman, Louay Safi, will also stand.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/04/homs-puts-syrian-political-solution-at-risk/#ixzz2Y5xN4tPc

July 4th, 2013, 12:31 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Do you know what فصعون means

July 4th, 2013, 12:46 pm

 

zoo said:

Now that fascist nature of the Moslem Brotherhood became exposed in Egypt the question to ask is : Was the decried violent repression of Hama’s Islamist uprising in 1982 justified?

Did it weaken enough the Moslem Brotherhood so that they were not able to spread their virus in the Syrian society and build networks to gain power as they did in Egypt?

July 4th, 2013, 12:50 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
Are you implying that killing 30,000 in Hama in 1982 was justified?

July 4th, 2013, 12:59 pm

 

revenire said:

More than justified and it wasn’t 30,000 either.

Majed we know you are in the Muslim Brotherhood. Why hide it? You’re not ashamed are you?

The 1982 suppression of terrorism in Hama gave Syria respite for years from this cancer. Now Bashar must cleanse it from the entire nation and finish the job Hafez started. The disease must be eradicated.

July 4th, 2013, 1:09 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Why don’t you answer my question ?
The fact is that you are not Syrian, You have plenty of time to look it up,or even google it

July 4th, 2013, 1:20 pm

 

zoo said:

The GCC has been trying for years to boost a moderate pro-US Sunni power in Syria (and in Lebanon).
As the Sunni moderates in Syria were apathetic and undecided, HBJ who appointed himself as the GCC strategist came up with a plan whereby they would use angry Syrian Islamists as fighters to get rid of the secular non-sunni Bashar Al Assad and then put in power a “tamed” Moslem Brotherhood expats pro-US group they were building up in Turkey.
For two years they looked for a solid charismatic Sunni leader to unite the opposition and ultimately take over the country. They have not find him yet.
In the meantime the divisions appeared within the GCC about that failing strategy that had degenerated in pitting Shias against Sunnis and was threatening the stability of GCC countries.
On one side HBJ’s Qatar was sticking to his original plan and KSA, Kuwait and the UAE wanted a change of path.

The removal of HBJ is an acknowledgment that his strategy failed and was been discarded in favor of a new one that should be developed.

The fall of Morsy offered a confirmation to the GCC minus Qatar that the Moslem Brotherhood, expats or not was a suspicious horse to bet on.

Now the GCC has no serious strategy other than calling for weapons to be given to the non-islamist rebels with the faint hope that it will change at least cosmetically the ‘balance’ and allow the opposition to participate in Geneva II in a position of relative strength.
They are left only with Geneva II and whatever comes out of it.

July 4th, 2013, 1:30 pm

 

zoo said:

#421 Majed

I don’t know.
I am wondering what would have happened if Syria had fallen in the hands of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1982.
It may have become The Islamic Republic of Syria?

July 4th, 2013, 1:34 pm

 

zoo said:

Who’s afraid of the Big Bad Moslem Brotherhood?

Assad’s father, former President Hafez al-Assad, spent most of his years in leadership hunting down and massacring Muslim Brotherhood groups in Syria for their challenge to his power. As an Alawite, a minority sect that is an offshoot of Shia Islam and is largely disparaged as heretical by Sunni religious leaders, the former president feared the Brotherhood’s power in the mosques. Today the remnants of those groups have joined with other Islamists to become Bashar al-Assad’s most formidable foes on the battlefield. Their ideologically driven organization (what better fighters than those willing to die for God’s cause?) lends them tactics and strength that the fractious, secular-leaning Free Syrian Army leaders lack.

In Saudi, where the Muslim Brotherhood has been banned, the fear is not so much Sunni Islam, which both the Brotherhood and the Saudi leadership share, but the political nature of the group. The Brotherhood says a monarchy has no place in Islam, and has long sought to overthrow the royal family to turn Saudi Arabia into an Islamic republic.

Saudi Arabia and Syria under both Assads embraced Egypt’s former strongman President Hosni Mubarak for his violent crackdown on the Brotherhood. When he was ousted, and the Muslim Brotherhood gained power for the first time in Egypt, both countries were presented with aquandary. Now that Morsi has been ousted, those worried about the reach of the Brotherhood’s influence in their own countries can breathe a sigh of relief. And sometimes that sounds like Schadenfreude.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/07/04/whats-arabic-for-schadenfreude-middle-east-reacts-to-morsis-ouster/#ixzz2Y6Ey4QZI

July 4th, 2013, 1:41 pm

 

omen said:

funny how loyalists can recognize fascism everywhere else – except in their dear leader.

what explains this blind spot?

July 4th, 2013, 1:42 pm

 
 

revenire said:

Majed do you know what an obession is?

I am not here to entertain an old man’s games. Play them with your “Syrian revolution” dolls. You know how I feel about terrorism and the war.

If you think I am not Syrian that is fine with me. Think what you like. Your problems are not my concern.

July 4th, 2013, 1:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Omen

I guess you consider Saudi Arabia, the UAE and most of the Egyptian population as ‘loyalists’?
They are the ones who accused the MB of being fascist not I.
Sometime to keeep your apparent “candor”, ask a question you don’t know the answer.

July 4th, 2013, 1:45 pm

 

Tara said:

The regime is burning the real estate records in Homs.

To steal people properties?

Homs is in grave danger of falling into the regime hands.

July 4th, 2013, 1:50 pm

 

omen said:

saudis calling mb fascist? ha, pot calling the kettle.

surely you know normal custom is to use quotation marks when quoting another.

zoo, no need to be so defensive. i’m not defending the mb. i’m not faulting your characterization of them. i don’t a problem with their being called fascist.

i just want to know why you give assad a free pass.

July 4th, 2013, 2:00 pm

 

Ziad said:

A Warning Against Exaggerated Hopes in Egypt

The rule of the Muslim Brotherhood has ended in Egypt. The new revolutionary wave swept everything with it this time – the state authoritarianism of the Mubarak era, as well as Islamist attempts to monopolize power and impose their agenda on the country.

It was a revolt against a deafening failure to manage the affairs of the people, the continued suppression of individual and collective rights, not to mention an inability to introduce anything new that would prompt reconsideration of Egypt’s role in the Arab and Islamic worlds.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/warning-against-exaggerated-hopes-egypt

July 4th, 2013, 2:06 pm

 

zoo said:

CNN

The Brotherhood’s critics see Morsy’s overthrow — along with the political transition in Qatar and even the protests in Turkey — as the end of an era for these Islamists. For their part, the Brotherhood will see this as a temporary reversal, just as Turkey too faced successive military coups. The question is whether Egypt, and other countries in the region, will be able to accommodate a movement that is no longer a majority but is still the best organized political force in many countries, or whether it will again be driven underground.

July 4th, 2013, 2:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Has the US started supplying arms?  Is it what preventing Aleppo fall.  What about Homs?  Any FOS plan for Homs?

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21580524-it-will-be-tricky-getting-american-arms-selected-syrian-rebels-who-how-and

The American government has used the northern route from Turkey to send in food, telephones and other non-lethal supplies. Yet, once it begins to send the lethal stuff, it is more likely to funnel most of it through the rebels’ second main supply route, into southern Syria from Jordan.

Last year the Saudis, worried by what they saw as the Qataris’ reckless taste for extreme Islamist rebels, moved their base there from Turkey. With CIA help, the Saudis have sent batches of arms to fighters in the south who have yet to make as much headway as those in the north. Such weapons, including a large shipment bought in Croatia at the end of last year, have gone through the rebels’ military council in the southern province of Deraa, to be sent on to umbrella groups such as Liwa al-Islam.
..

For the Americans, arming the rebels from the south may be most practical, as the rebel-controlled area in southern Syria is smaller, there are fewer jihadists there, and Jordanian and Israeli intelligence provide good maps of the area. America already has 700 troops in Jordan, along with Patriot missiles and F-16 fighter jets.

But different routes give different results. Arming rebels in the north would help achieve some of America’s stated political aims. Rebels control a large area there, allowing leaders such as Colonel Abdul Jabbar Akaidi, the head of Aleppo’s military council, to operate inside the country. The Syrian National Coalition, the opposition’s main political umbrella, has suggested setting up an administration in that area, if it could be better protected from attacks by forces of the regime.

July 4th, 2013, 2:12 pm

 

ghufran said:

What took place in Egypt was a coup that received wide popular support, the new leadership is certainly taking risks but I think keeping the MBs in charge was more risky. Expect a lot of unpopular decisions like the arrest of MB figures, closing their TV stations (done), restrictions on free speech, etc.
What the army and millions of Egyptians have realized is that political Islam is not good for Egypt and that Islamists can not be trusted (Naser said that more than 50 years ago), in that sense Egyptians chose the lesser of two evils.
For democracy to be meaningful there has to be a degree of stability, a viable middle class and a separation of religion and state, most of that is lacking in virtually all Arab states. Those of you who talk about Turkey forget, or like to forget, that Turkey was under military secular rule for decades before it embraced a multi party western style political system, that system is now under threat due to a new brand of Islamists (Erdugang-admit that you love the name). Before you fill the pages of this forum with hot air and pathetic writings do some research and learn before you try to teach.

July 4th, 2013, 2:16 pm

 

omen said:

Sometime to keeep your apparent “candor”, ask a question you don’t know the answer.

you give me too much credit. i’m not a mind reader, zoo.

July 4th, 2013, 2:21 pm

 

revenire said:

Outside of a few small areas Homs is in the government’s hands. Terrorists have no right to own property. Are you kidding?

July 4th, 2013, 2:22 pm

 

ghufran said:

A low quality video showing the moment when Morsi was arrested.
For smart behinds on this forum, posting the video does not mean that I support the content, I indeed did not like what I saw.

July 4th, 2013, 2:26 pm

 

zoo said:

Omen

Bashar a Assad is now fighting Islamists and Moslem Brotherhood that the pathetically weak opposition had to bring in to help ‘win’ what they called a “revolution” to topple the regime.

Unfortunately, the weak opposition became totally overwhelmed by the ‘helpers’ they called for.
Now there is no more “revolution”, it is a clear fight to prevent the Islamists and the MB to take the country by force. For that Bashar is getting a free pass not from me only but discreetly from the GCC and the West.
The GCC is looking on the other side as despite their noisy declarations, they have not submitted any official request for a “urgent” UNSC meeting about Homs. Luxembourg presented a ‘humanitarian’ resolution.
Except for Qatar, the GCC wants the Syrian army to crush the fascistic Islamists in Homs and elsewhere.
Yes, sure, Bashar got a free pass and he is using it to do the dirty work the GCC and the West do not want to do.

July 4th, 2013, 2:27 pm

 

zoo said:

#439 Ghufran

I felt sorry for the guy…

July 4th, 2013, 2:31 pm

 

zoo said:

#437 Omen

Your candor and humility brought tears in my eyes…

July 4th, 2013, 2:34 pm

 

zoo said:

The opposition accused Bashar al Assaad to be a fascist, now the Syrians in rebels held areas are getting a taste of what real fascism is, this time it is a religious one and it is ruthless

The boy killed for an off-hand remark about Muhammad – Sharia spreads in Syria
July 4, 2013 |

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23139784

The murder of a boy accused of blasphemy has come to symbolise concerns about the power of Islamist radicals in Syria’s armed uprising. Paul Wood reports from Aleppo on how Sharia is spreading in rebel-held areas.

A documentary team from BBC Arabic went to the northern town of Saraqeb to follow the work of the Sharia court there, gaining extraordinary access over a period of six weeks.
A prisoner is whipped in the street as punishment for highway robbery under Saraqeb’s Sharia law system Four men convicted of trying to steal a taxi in Saraqeb’s Sharia court were sentenced to whipping using an electric cable

The court is run by a 27-year-old former preacher, Sheikh Abdullah Mohammed Ali, who hands out sentences dressed in Afghan-style shalwar kameez, a Kalashnikov at his side.

Four men convicted of trying to steal a taxi driver’s car are brought before him. Although admitting their guilt, they claim to be members of a rebel brigade.

Sheikh Abdullah tells them their weapons will be confiscated and they will not be allowed to be part of any armed group in future.

He swiftly decides that the sentence will be a public flogging. The men are driven to the centre of Saraqeb for sentence to be carried out. The instrument of punishment is an electrical cable.

Sheikh Abdullah takes a megaphone to address a small crowd that has gathered.

“In the name of God,” he says, reading out the names of the four prisoners standing in a row. “Fifty lashes for the leader of the gang. Forty for each of his men.”

He declares: “God’s law is the best protection for the weak.”

July 4th, 2013, 2:39 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

I just googled LaRouchian and Revenire and learned about him.

Reverse,

Are you a Lyndon LaRouche backer?? That figures. Not too many arab Lyndon Larouche backers habibi. Lyndon LaRouche is a tiresome conspiracy theorist and bore. The man couldn’t win an election of his chess club let alone president of the US. He’s too kooky.

Majedkhaldoun,

Pretty interesting week in Egypt. This coup came fast and the military had no patience like they did for Mubarak.

I can understand why the MB and some Islamists are upset. They won an election. But if 20 to 30 million people demonstrated, for example, against Obama, I think he would have to do something big. But the ME is a different place. The arab street has a lot of power. They are bigger than the police and the army.

I think an election has to come as quickly as possible. If the MB win again, then the military has to give way. Perhaps the constitution needs to be more inclusive of minority parties.

July 4th, 2013, 2:40 pm

 

ghufran said:

اعتبر وزير الخارجية التركي أحمد داود أوغلو إن عزل الجيش المصري للرئيس محمد مرسي”غير مقبول”، ووصف الخطوة التي أقدمت عليها القوات المسلحة بأنها انقلاب عسكري.
وقال أوغلو في حديث للصحفيين “لا يمكن الإطاحة بأحد من منصبه إلا من خلال الانتخابات وهي إرادة الشعب، من غير المقبول الإطاحة بحكومة جاءت إلى السلطة من خلال انتخابات ديمقراطية عبر وسائل غير مشروعة، بل والأكثر من هذا انقلاب عسكري”.
وكان حسين جيليك، نائب رئيس حزب العدالة والتنمية الحاكم، قال في حسابه على موقع التواصل الاجتماعي تويتر “اللعنة على الانقلاب الوسخ في مصر، آمل أن تدافع الجماهير التي أتت بمرسي إلى السلطة عن أصواتها والتي تعني الشرف الديمقراطي”.
Erdugang et al need to leave Egyptians handle their own problems.

July 4th, 2013, 2:42 pm

 
 

revenire said:

Syria says ouster of Mohamed Morsi a ‘great achievement’

The Syrian government says that the ouster of Egypt’s President Mohamed Morsi by the country’s Army has been a “great achievement” for the Egyptians.

“Syria’s people and leadership and Army express their deep appreciation for the national, populist movement in Egypt which has yielded a great achievement,” the government said in a statement carried on state television on Thursday.

The statement also said that the overthrow of Morsi’s government was “a radical reversal involving a firm will to maintain democracy.”

General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the head of Egypt’s Army, announced late Wednesday that President Morsi was no longer in office. He declared Head of Supreme Constitutional Court Adli Mansour as the interim president.

Morsi’s ouster came after days of massive anti-government protests plunged the country into chaos.

Syria’s Information Minister Omran al-Zohbi said on Wednesday that Egypt would overcome its crisis if Morsi stepped down.

“Egypt will be able to overcome its crisis if Morsi realizes that the vast majority of the Egyptian people refuse his presence and are calling for his departure,” he said.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/04/312233/syria-says-morsi-ouster-an-achievement/

July 4th, 2013, 3:04 pm

 
 

Ilya said:

HOW CAN ONE SCREAM ON TWITTER?? #ALEPPO IS UNDER FULL SIEGE NO FOOD NO BREAD NO FUEL! YOUR FREEDOM FIGHTERS ARE STARVING US TO DEAth
Syrian Sapper ‏@razorfallin 22m
(1)#FSA and #AlNusra besieged #Aleppo cutting it off any supplies after stealing its reservoirs .All this in the name of #freedom and islam
Al-Nusra Terrorists Execute Syrian People in al-Reqqa
Militants of the notorious al-Nusra Front killed scores of innocent people in Reef (outskirts of) al-Reqqa in Northern Syria.
The al-Nusra Front executed residents of al-Kaletah village in Reef al-Reqqa on Monday.
Al-Nusra was angry at them because they had driven the militants out of their village.
Last month, al-Nusra Front also killed innocent people in the Hatlah neighborhood in Deir Ezzor province in Eastern Syria.
The al-Nusra Front angry at the Syrian army’s recent successes in al-Qusseir region massacred tens of the Syrian people and mutilated their bodies.
According to Syria’s Human Rights Watch, the terrorists killed 60 Shiite Muslims in the region and created horror among the people residing in Hatlah district.
They also set fire on mosques and killed three daughters of a Shiite leader in the region after raping them publicly.
At least 1,500 militants of the al-Nusra Front were killed during the government forces’ recent operation for retaking al-Qusseir.
The al-Nusra Front has been behind many of the deadly bombings targeting both civilians and government institutions across Syria since the outbreak of violence in March 2011.
On May 10, Syria’s Ambassador to the UN Bashar al-Jaafari said the al-Nusra Front has claimed responsibility for carrying out at least 600 acts of terror in the past year. Jaafari also slammed the group for attacking hospitals and schools, desecrating holy places, assassinating religious figures, and abducting UN personnel in Syria.
The West has been widely criticized for its double standard when it comes to dealing with terrorist groups.
Over two years of foreign-sponsored militancy in Syria has taken its toll on the lives of many people, including large numbers of Syrian soldiers and security personnel.
Syria has been experiencing unrest since March 2011 with organized attacks by well-armed gangs against Syrian police forces and border guards being reported across the country.
Hundreds of people, including members of the security forces, have been killed, when some protest rallies turned into armed clashes.
The government blames outlaws, saboteurs, and armed terrorist groups for the deaths, stressing that the unrest is being orchestrated from abroad.
In October 2011, calm was almost restored in the Arab state after President Assad started a reform initiative in the country, but Israel, the US and its Arab allies sought hard to bring the country into chaos through any possible means. Tel Aviv, Washington and some Arab capitals have been staging various plots to topple President Bashar al-Assad, who is well known in the world for his anti-Israeli stances.
http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2013/07/02/al-nusra-terrorists-execute-syrian-people-in-al-reqqa/

July 4th, 2013, 3:46 pm

 
 

omen said:

438. ghufran said: For smart behinds on this forum, posting the video does not mean that I support the content, I indeed did not like what I saw.

people unlikely to misread a quick, perfunctory post as an endorsement.

but your ribal post wasn’t a quick post. it was more involved. let’s review:

This fellow is a politician, I have a strange feeling that he reads this blog, before you discount these possibilities you need to remember that this war will eventually end and Syrians have no choice but to share power with other Syrians they do not necessarily like.

a plea not to dismiss ribal too quickly or out of hand. hmm. you insist this isn’t endorsement, and i’ll take you at your word, but this certainly isn’t neutral.

this time i listened to the tape. ribal argues, “if one side killed 90%, it doesn’t matter.”

ghufran, you made the same argument the other day. were you quoting ribal?

July 4th, 2013, 3:48 pm

 

revenire said:

No real Syrian would support this fake revolution comprised of cannibals and beheaders.

July 4th, 2013, 3:48 pm

 

ghufran said:

where are the terrorists apologists when you need them?
They keep claiming that rebels only target people with blood on their hand but that seems to include every alawite, every sunni who said NO, every Syrian who works for the government, every Christian who does not submit, and every Shia on Syria’s soil.
Assassinations and car bombs are now the terrorists preferred methods of earning freedom and democracy:
أصيب معاون وزير العمل السوري راكان ابراهيم بجروح خطيرة جراء انفجار عبوة لاصقة بسيارته في حي البرامكة وسط العاصمة دمشق الخميس 4 يوليو/ تموز .المعلومات الأولية تتحدث عن بتر ساق نائب الوزير اضافة الى اصابته بجروح بليغة .

July 4th, 2013, 4:03 pm

 

Tara said:

Qatar prince congratulated Adli for the interim presidency. The Mb vowed not to turn violent. This is the MB only chance to return to political life in Egypt. If they resort to violence in this case, they will become underground. I hope they stay over the ground as a political party and by doing so, they get assimilated and change overtime.

July 4th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Mr Shiqfeh of the MB-Syria on Morsi’s removal:

قال المراقب العام لإخوان سورية رياض الشقفة في تعليقه على تطورات الأحداث في مصر إنه “من الخطأ العودة لحكم العسكر مرة أخرى” وإن ما حدث “خطر سيؤدي إلى عدم استقرار كبير”.
وأوضح في اتصال هاتفي مع وكالة الأنباء الألمانية عبر الهاتف: “ما حدث بمصر خطأ وليس في صالحها”، متسائلا: “لماذا لم يمنح (الرئيس السابق محمد) مرسي الفرصة .. يفشل مرسي أو يفشل الإخوان، هذا أمر يقرره الشعب المصري عبر صناديق الاقتراع فقط”.
وتابع: “نحن كإخوان سورية اتفقنا مع الجميع على أنه بعد سقوط نظام بشار الأسد سنجري انتخابات حرة ديمقراطية ونقبل بنتائجها أيا كانت”.
وأوضح: “حتى لو فاز الحزب الشيوعي، سنقبل بذلك ولن نستخدم أساليب غير ديمقراطية للاعتراض على ذلك، وسنترك له فرصة أربع سنوات كاملة وبعدها يقرر الشعب تغييره من عدمه، ونحن سنستمر في طرح أفكارنا ومبادئنا بطرق سلمية حتى إجراء الانتخابات ولن ننقلب على الديمقراطية أبدا”.
واعترف الشقفة بأنه سيكون هناك تأثير للأحداث في مصر على مستقبل تيارات الإسلام السياسي ومنها جماعة الإخوان المسلمين في الوصول للحكم في أي دولة عربية وبالأخص في سورية، وقال: “ما يحدث في مصر سيؤثر على كل العالم العربي.. فمصر دولة كبيرة وما يحدث بها يؤثر علي الجميع″.
واستطرد: “ولكننا في إخوان سورية اتفقنا مع الجميع من البداية على أننا لن نحكم منفردين .. نحن سنتفاهم مع الآخرين.. نحن ندرك ونعي أن بلادنا ملت من حكم الفرد الواحد والحزب الواحد”.
You can not say that I only post regime propaganda 🙂

July 4th, 2013, 4:09 pm

 

revenire said:

It is all they can do is suicide bombings, beheadings, eating human flesh, rape, sex slavery, and stealing the future from every Syrian they can. They’ve failed at unseating Assad. He is laughing at them in the world’s press today.

Congratulations opposition – 100,000 murdered by your hand.

July 4th, 2013, 4:10 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Happy Fourth of July to all Freedom Lovers everywhere!

July 4th, 2013, 4:23 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir said
I am not here to entertain an old man’s games.
Revenir , I would not play game with you,I proved beyond any shaddow of doubt that you are lier, and what I found out about you is that you are ex convict,has been in jail more than once, I am not surprised that ex convict joins Assad mafia, when I said that you assumed wazifeh,I meant exactly that, I already said the saying ,now that if you understand,I doubt it

July 4th, 2013, 4:41 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Although Americans are free, Syrians have not known freedom for over a generation. Please take moment to think of the Syrian people this July 4th.

Human Rights Watch: tens-of-thousands of Syrians killed by their own government:

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/06/19/welcome-russia-s-syria-doublespeak

July 4th, 2013, 4:41 pm

 

apple_mini said:

It is very likely Homs will be completely free of rebel brigades soon.

It will be a further blow to the plans and morale of the rebels and the opposition. The question is what the diabolic and insane US administration is going to do after that.

If US is moving weapons and trained rebel fighters to sneak in from the south, SAA probably needs to get more serious help to fend off the assault in the south. Operations need to be ferocious and decisive.

Yes, I am promoting military act instead of ceasefire at this moment.

The development of the current situation makes it very clear: the ceasefire will happen only when US and its puppets in gulf decide it is the time. It won’t happen by some miracle from the rebels or the regime along.

Either the regime succumbs to the road map drawn by US administration or the regime fights the tough war: to secure the west and provide important safe and strategic territory to recuperate. There are more than 15 millions Syrians living in the west and many of them are trying to live their lives and forget about the war. It is not a de facto partition of the country, rather an earlier stage of ending the war.

July 4th, 2013, 4:52 pm

 

revenire said:

Brother Majed calm yourself. An afternoon nap can relax an older man and provide a lot of relief from nagging thoughts.

Assad is fine. Syria is in good hands.

We Syrians will never allow the Takfiri cancer to win.

July 4th, 2013, 4:57 pm

 

revenire said:

I do not believe in a ceasefire until every terrorist has been destroyed by our army. There is no reason for a ceasefire. End this once and for all. Our boys are eager to keep fighting. Let’s give them a chance. Let the US send weapons. It won’t help their desperate terrorists.

Homs is almost 100% free of the beheaders.

July 4th, 2013, 5:02 pm

 

omen said:

this explains 445.’s record of nonsense babbling & illogic:

According to research by Altemeyer, right-wing authoritarians tend to exhibit cognitive errors and symptoms of faulty reasoning. Specifically, they are more likely to make incorrect inferences from evidence and to hold contradictory ideas that result from compartmentalized thinking. They are also more likely to uncritically accept insufficient evidence that supports their beliefs, and they are less likely to acknowledge their own limitations.[13]

July 4th, 2013, 5:05 pm

 

revenire said:

I understand from relatives that Dr Qassem Al Zein has been captured in Arsal. No confirmation.

July 4th, 2013, 5:13 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Akbar Palace
Democracy of the street is Middle East democracy, it is fast and powerful.
I just hope that the army will allow tranparent fair election, and inclusive

For those who mentioned Nasser, Nasser was a smart persuasive nationalistic good looking leader, he was excellent speach maker,a great communicator, Sisi is nothing.
Mansour Adli is what we call Tabel Drum.
I heared there are mutiny in the army,this could mean major trouble ahead.
In Turkey the army overthrew many leaders elected democratically, Erdogan finally came and defeated the army and what we see today is democracy in Turkey

July 4th, 2013, 5:15 pm

 

annie said:

Thank you Maysaloon for writing

Syria: A Revolution Denied

Posted: 04 Jul 2013 05:56 AM PDT
Being democratically elected is not a mandate for riding roughshod over the rule of law. After all everybody knows that the Nazis were democratically elected and yet they unleashed the template for the state sanctioned horror that we are seeing in Syria today. So what are we to make of events in Egypt? My view is that it is both a military coup and a popular uprising against Morsi.

To say it is one or the other, or to pretend as if the Muslim Brotherhood dominated government in Egypt, democratically elected or not, is a victim, is to take a simplistic view of a complex region. There is no denying that in spite of whatever support he could claim, Morsi was deeply unpopular and the numbers and crowds on the street calling for him to go were remarkable. This movement was in the same spirit as the uprising which toppled the Mubarak regime, and as with Mubarak, it was the army which stepped in to remove the unpopular ruler. But the Egyptian generals are the king makers and they cannot themselves rule.

That Morsi or even ten more presidents after him would be toppled is hardly surprising after a period of revolution. There are going to be many more administrations that come and go in this way before the country settles into some form of normalcy, but this should not be taken as a bad thing. In fact it holds excellent lessons for Syrians who are working hard to topple Assad. The removal of a decades long regime is not alone the goal of the Arab spring, but the beginning of opportunity. To put it simply the removal of tyrants will not give people the jackpot but rather it will give them the opportunity to buy the lottery ticket – something they have long been denied.

There are plenty of Assad supporters, the same ones who cheered the protests in Turkey for all the wrong reasons, who think that this vindicates Assad and condemns the revolution in Syria. They are wrong. The Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups enjoy far less support in Syria than they do in Egypt, and if anything the toppling of Mursi shows us that when Assad goes then nobody will have the monopoly on rule anymore. When nobody has absolute power then compromises are necessary, and with Assad no longer able to bomb the country we will see Syrians returning from refugee camps, and civil society and coordination committees operating and communicating freely again. We will also see the kinds of protest scenes that Syrians have long looked to their Egyptian cousins at with envy.

Going back to Egypt, the Egyptian military is ruthless, secular and not to be trusted. It is simply playing a game of swapping heads around to find one that is more acceptable for the masses. But it is no contradiction to support the toppling of Morsi whilst also condemning the military coup that removed him. The battle in Egypt is one for the state, whilst in Syria we do not have a state. As such, the Egyptian army must maintain a some form of adherence to the Egyptian rule of law that everybody is trying to dominate. By contrast, we Syrians have neither a state nor a military institution but rather a private army and a regime to face. As such the unprecedented brutality and national trauma that we’re going through as we fight to remove our own dictator is far worse than anything the Egyptians have gone through. It doesn’t mean their fight is any easier, but it does mean that the forces they are fighting to wrest power from do have a grudging respect for the rule of law. This is probably the only thing stopping the Egyptian military from bombing parts of Cairo and imposing martial law.

This is explained partly because Egypt is an old state something that Egyptians have Muhammad Ali to thank for. Syria, on the other hand, remained under the Ottoman yoke for far longer and so we just didn’t get the experience of state building that the children of the Nile did. Ironically for us the period of the French mandate did lay the groundwork for some form of a Syrian state, and it was Syrian nationalists who chafed against rule from Paris who laid the groundwork for the country’s independence and statehood through their struggle. The Syrian “Independence” flag of green white and black is today the symbol of that almost forgotten Syrian state and the struggle of our forefathers.

The start of the revolution against Assad might have been an attempt at regaining that national spirit, but this has now been sabotaged by Assad’s overwhelming brutalization of Syrians, causing some deep sectarian rifts to re-emerge. This regime survives by creating crises and then solving them. Denying it the ability to sustain the crisis it has created in Syria will again allow some type of Syrian state to emerge. To do this then his power must be destroyed. Alternatively Assad and his allies must be taught that any transgressions will have painful repercussions directly to him, his regime, and his inner circle unless he agrees to negotiate and abide by the rule of law.

That might all be idealistic to hope for but it is realistic to demand. Until that happens Syrians will continue to look on in envy at the incredible scenes of public protest in Egypt, scenes that they were just starting to get used to before their revolution was denied them.

July 4th, 2013, 5:27 pm

 

omen said:

compare the egyptian airforce to assad’s pack of flying hyenas.

photo

July 4th, 2013, 5:32 pm

 

revenire said:

Annie Maysaloon is dead wrong, as usual, in writing “the Nazis were democratically elected” – they seized power.

Omen can you stop calling government supporters HYENAS please?

July 4th, 2013, 5:38 pm

 
 

revenire said:

The Syrian Diary

July 4th, 2013, 6:08 pm

 

Alan said:

Egyptian army raids & shuts down Al Jazeera offices in Cairo

July 4th, 2013, 6:08 pm

 

revenire said:

Pro-Morsi Wahhabis Vow to Suicide Bomb Everyone Opposed to Them & to Set Christians on Fire

Published on Jul 4, 2013
This footage is taken from a pro-Morsi demonstration in Egypt after the Egyptian military intervened on behalf of the millions of Egyptians who demanded an end to the rule of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. While addressing Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, the Egyptian commander-in-chief, Wahhabis who support Morsi vow to become suicide bombers that will target secularists, Christians, Shiites, and all other opposition forces. A Wahhabi lady covered in black vowed to burn her Christian compatriots.

July 4th, 2013, 6:10 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ultimately, the role of Islam in the state must be settled by the people themselves. If Egyptians approve, through a fair and open referendum, a new constitution that reduces Islam’s role, it will take the wind out of the sails not only of the Muslim Brotherhood, but of political Islam across the region. But if Egypt returns to a cycle of repression and violence, it will only serve to revitalize a radical movement.

July 4th, 2013, 6:12 pm

 
 

Alan said:

Huge explosion now in Gaza near Seaport- BIG shell form Israeli navy boat” And will never see that in media.

July 4th, 2013, 6:25 pm

 

Tara said:

In regard to the video linked of the woman in veil threatened to burn Christians:

Al Sisi should go on state TV and should declare that anyone get caught delivering a hate speech during this time, inciting violence against any ethnic or religious group shall be tried and sentenced to jail for at least 10 years. He should then pursue the matter and make arrests. This will taught all Egyptians sympathetic to the Ikhwan that Masr has noe entered a new phase and hate speech and incitement of violence will not be tolerated.

On the other hand, arbitrary arrests of ikhwan should be avoided and police should be held accountable to any misconduct. House arrest might be necessary to prevent some notorious figures from inciting violence but an independent judge has to issue a warrant first.

July 4th, 2013, 6:27 pm

 

Alan said:

FSA will bring freedom to Aleppo by starving the population to death. Aleppo will be free of people
https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/352918448420044800

July 4th, 2013, 6:43 pm

 

Tara said:

I just watched Ghufran link @438, the moment they arrested Morsi. I do not like what I watch. Nothing more painful to me than watching the Karamah of a man being degraded.

What a group of uncivilized people. The arrest is unlawful. Morsi was a democratically elected president and he did not kill Egyptians. And the guy near him shouting like an animal. Al-Sisi should have given a clear instructions of how to handle this situation with respect and dignity.

Wherever we are in this freaky ME, whatever we believe in, we truly are third war, subcivilized people. I do not know what I am proud of as an Arab. I probably lived in delusional pride all my life..

July 4th, 2013, 6:52 pm

 
 

omen said:

the army gave morsi a window of opportunity to answer to the people’s demands & to negotiate. morsi stubbornly refused to budge. he made his own bed.

July 4th, 2013, 7:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen

Why to arresting him?

July 4th, 2013, 7:25 pm

 

revenire said:

Morsi should have paid more attention to God and less attention to corrupt men giving him money and whispering in his ear to defile Syria and Assad.

July 4th, 2013, 7:26 pm

 

omen said:

Why Morsi fell (11): in country of epidemic sexual abuse of women, he named a sex harasser as minister of information:

i didn’t know this till yesterday. no wonder sexual abuse in egypt is rampant. when you nominate someone like this to head of office, this give a green light to the rest of the country that this kind of disrespect is permissible.

July 4th, 2013, 7:26 pm

 

revenire said:

Morsi incited hatred and death. He deserves to be imprisoned.

What a venal fool.

Friends in Cairo tell me he’s a sexual pervert as well (Omen was kind enough to post some info on it). Do these Muslim Brotherhood maniacs know no bounds? Treating women like cattle and slaves. Syria will never bow to them!

Assad watches all his enemies fall one by one. Assad is the greatest leader the Middle East has ever seen.

July 4th, 2013, 7:28 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Tara, I agree. They have the right to sue Morsi and let an independent judge see if he is guilty or not, I posted the video with the clear purpose to start a conversation.
Majed khaldoun last post is written in perfect English,he copied it from an unknown source, I invite him to tell us where he got it from, I agree with the content.
Here is another arrest:
ألقت الشرطة العسكرية القبض على المرشد العام لجماعة “الإخوان المسلمين” محمد بديع في مرسى مطروح، بعد أن أصدرت النيابة أمراً بتوقيفه بتهمة التحريض على القتل، بحسب ما أفاد مصدر أمني.
(أ ف ب)
The coup in Egypt is more of a failure than success,we wanted the MB and their opponents to share power, they both failed, that is important because the same is true in Syria. Arabs still have a lot of work to do, unfortunately , a military regime light is still better than an MB dominated government, Assad’s regime is far worse than any army junta in Egypt because he also owns the army and security forces and he does not listen to his people.

July 4th, 2013, 7:29 pm

 

revenire said:

Brother Majed obtained it from CNN.

Will Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood survive?
By Isobel Coleman, Special to CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/04/opinion/coleman-muslim-brotherhood

It is the last paragraph.

July 4th, 2013, 7:34 pm

 

omen said:

480. Tara said :Why to arresting him?

good question. i don’t know yet. i have to do some more reading to find out.

i did see this though:

Richard Engel ‏@RichardEngel 3 Jul
Two morsi advisors tell us report of his house arrest NOT true.

so confusing. first we have to separate the fake news from the real news!

July 4th, 2013, 7:34 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Yes, rev :
Will Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood survive?
By Isobel Coleman, Special to CNN
updated 3:49 PM EDT, Thu July 4, 2013
Rev,
Would you mind telling us a little bit about you without jeopardizing your privacy?
Are you a second generation Syrian?
My son thinks you are, but my son is as bad as his dad in guessing.

July 4th, 2013, 7:39 pm

 

omen said:

ghufran’s video is from syriatruth. not the most credible outlet.

July 4th, 2013, 7:45 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen,

The link by Ghufran showed him being arrested. One of those who arrested him was barking in Arabic that Morsi should be put in shackles. Al-jazeera said his charge is that he was showing contempt to the supreme justice. Really? This is a very common political charge in dictatorships. Lots of peaceful demonstrators in Syria are charged in similar fashion: showing contempt towards the state.

It would be a fatal mistake to exclude ikhwan or anyone for that matter from sharing power. Let them knock themselves out. They can have the votes they are entitled to and should abide by a law that prohibits hate crimes or incitement of hate crimes. The other alternative is that they go underground and becomes radicalized.

July 4th, 2013, 7:47 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Morsi’s arrest video is all over the net. Syriatruth is not on my favorite list.
May be you too,omen, would like to tell us what brought you here, nobody believes the story that you are just interested in Syria as a ” humanist” , we have heard that before.
One guy on an Egyptian Facebook page said that the video is old, Morsi may not be in jail but he is not a free man.

July 4th, 2013, 8:09 pm

 

Ziad said:

I hope Qaradawi will be arrested. The news say he is in Egypt.

July 4th, 2013, 8:24 pm

 

zoo said:

The opposition arms providers will sacrifice Homs and the south to prevent the Syria army to regain Alepp. The eventual fall of Aleppo back into the SAA will signify the final defeat of the armed rebels and the opposition.

http://www.voanews.com/content/syria-opposition-meets-to-find-leader-show-readiness-for-arms/1695439.html

A senior opposition source in contact with U.S. officials said Washington, as well as French security operatives, were concentrating on supporting rebel units in the province of Aleppo on the border with Turkey, where new anti-tank missiles are helping reverse the military tide.

“I think we will be hearing good news from Aleppo soon. No one wants to repeat the weakness in logistics that allowed Hezbollah to take over Qusair and paved the way for the offensive on Homs,” the source said.

July 4th, 2013, 8:29 pm

 

zoo said:

#492 Ziad

Qaradawi should be judged and hang for all his crimes.
That would serve as a lesson to all these wild and uncontrolled preachers spreading hatred.

July 4th, 2013, 8:31 pm

 

omen said:

ok, this is bad.

Egyptian army demolishes tunnels with Gaza

On Thursday afternoon, Egyptian bulldozers began to demolish the tunnels between Egypt and the Gaza Strip which have functioned as the life-line to the besieged Gaza Strip since the beginning of the Israeli siege in 2006.

[…]

Tunnels between Egypt and Gaza have been the main life line to the 1.8million residents of Gaza since the Israeli siege was imposed in 2006.

The siege, which was imposed following Hamas’ shock victory in the Palestinian parliamentarian elections, is internationally agreed upon.

The ministry of health in Gaza announced that fuel for electricity generators and ambulances will run out within days. “We are facing an unknown future with the closure of the tunnels,” a statement said.

Israel does not allow enough fuel through its crossings with Gaza.

July 4th, 2013, 8:36 pm

 

zoo said:

Apple_mini

“The question is what the diabolic and insane US administration is going to do after that.”

They want to boost the rebels weapons in the North to prevent the fall of Aleppo into the hands of the SAA. Aleppo is the ultimate battle that will make it or break it.
The problem is that Erdogan must accept that his borders be used to transport tons of weapons. The US patriots are here to protect the smuggling of heavy weapons.
The SAA will get Homs easily and will get ready for the final assault on Aleppo.

Another problem is that the ‘good’ rebels are in the south and the ‘bad’ ones in the North thus the danger of having these weapons fall into thje wrong hands…

July 4th, 2013, 8:45 pm

 

zoo said:

#495 Omen

I thought they were destroyed ages ago when Morsy and Hamas agreed to keep Rafah open.
Hamas will regret dearly its betrayal of Bashar Al Assad.

July 4th, 2013, 8:48 pm

 

Ziad said:

Western Aleppo under complete rebel siege, no food people or goods are allowed in. shortage of all essentials, situation very dire.

Rebels continue to pound civilian residential areas of Aleppo with mortars today, even as a stifling blockade cripples daily life Syria

edward dark

July 4th, 2013, 8:56 pm

 

zoo said:

Qatar strategy elaborated by HBJ and USA neo-cons of using the Moslem Brotherhood to install a ‘moderate’ Islam in Arab countries turned sour in Egypt

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/26/qatar-leadership-exprimeminister-idUSL5N0EI3BC20130626

The state has also been Egypt’s top financial backer, signalling an intention to play a leading role in rebuilding the economy of the most populous Arab country after a 2011 uprising.

Some officials in other Gulf Arab states believe Qatar has a long-term strategy to use the Muslim Brotherhood, an international movement that seeks to bring about Islamist rule in Muslim states through peaceful means, to redraw the region.

July 4th, 2013, 9:04 pm

 

omen said:

ghufran, not this again. i’m not allowed to give a damn because i’m not syrian nor muslim?

if you must know, i used to follow politics, did some activism, realized how irredeemably corrupt the system is. became interested in revolutionary movements. first iran, arab spring, libya, now syria.

July 4th, 2013, 9:10 pm

 

zoo said:

Russia blocks UN appeal on access to Aleppo similar to the one considered for Al Qysayr

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/considers-statement-urging-access-homs-19565278#.UdYcdjdWq1k

The draft statement on Homs is similar to a press statement approved by the council on June 7 urging Syria to immediately allow U.N. and other humanitarian groups into the strategic town of Qusair to provide aid to civilians who desperately needed food and medical care.

Diplomats said Russia held up approval of that statement until rebel fighters were routed from Qusair by government forces.

In Homs on Wednesday, Syrian troops backed by Hezbollah fighters were encircling the neighborhoods of Khaldiyeh and Bab Houd which have been held by rebels for the past year. Homs-based activist Tariq Badrakhan told AP via Skype that Syrian forces were “cleaning” the area of rebel fighters by firing mortar shells at buildings.

Diplomats said that after the council issued its statement on Qusair, humanitarian workers were allowed into that town. They expressed hope that a statement on Homs would lead to similar access.

July 4th, 2013, 9:11 pm

 

Tara said:

I am concerned about Homs.

I think Homs will fall and no one cares.

Miracles do not happen but I still pray for the symbol of the revolution to stand undefeated.

July 4th, 2013, 9:35 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria Fighters Identified as Bosnian Islamists

Security services in Sarajevo have identified several Muslim fighters in Syria as Bosnian citizens and members of an armed militant group with alleged links to Al-Qaida.

Sarajevo
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/bosnian-muslims-identified-as-martyrs-in-syria

An investigation by Bosnian security agencies has concluded that a group of Bosnian Muslims went to fight with the radical Islamist group Al-Nusra against the authorities in Syria.

The investigation was launched after the release of a video in May which showed heavily-armed and masked militants preparing to attack the Syrian city of Homs.

According to Bosnia’s Federation entity television, FTV, the investigation concluded that several of the men shown in the video came from Bosnia.

July 4th, 2013, 9:39 pm

 

Ziad said:

ZOO

I think it is Homs not Aleppo. Now since West Aleppo is being starved by the terrorists, it would be surprising if they would make a similar move.

July 4th, 2013, 9:51 pm

 

zoo said:

#504 Ziad

yes, my mistake , the UN draft is about Homs, not Aleppo

July 4th, 2013, 10:03 pm

 
 
 

revenire said:

If there are 2000 civilians in old Homs are they being held hostage? Why haven’t they left? Certainly they knew this was coming.

July 4th, 2013, 10:48 pm

 
 

revenire said:

Assad has one of the sharpest minds around. His sense of history is impressive.

Interviewer: Mr President today is the fiftieth anniversary of the establishment of Al-Thawra Newspaper. You first stated that what is happening in Syria is not a revolution; certainly you had a conceptual foundation behind these statements. Here let me reference the Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, during his first meeting with the opposition delegation in Moscow when they introduced themselves as revolutionaries; he asked them, “If you are revolutionaries representing a revolution, why do you need the outside world?” There is a historical saying: no state in the world can endure a popular revolution. I personally entirely subscribe to this theory. What made you say that it was not a revolution from the inception?

President al-Assad: From a historical perspective, any genuine revolution is purely internal and cannot be linked externally by any means, as manifested by the Russian, French and even the Iranian revolutions. Real revolutions are intrinsic, spontaneous, and are led by intellectual and ideological elites. What occurred in Syria since the outset of the crisis was flagrant external interference. There were attempts to hide this, but it has become absolutely clear. This is evident by the fact that we continuously hear external extrinsic statements regarding what should and should not be done in Syria.

Secondly, the real revolution of 1963 – which your newspaper is named after – was a revolution that empowered the country, society and human values. It promoted science and knowledge by building thousands of schools, it brought light to the urban and rural areas of Syria by building electricity lines and networks, it strengthened the economy by providing job opportunities according to competencies. It supported the wider foundations of society including farmers, labourers and skilled-workers. The revolution at the time built an army indoctrinated in national values that fought the fiercest of battles, it stood unwavering in those difficult circumstances and it won in the 1973 war. We are now perhaps enduring the most challenging circumstances in which the army has shown that its revolutionary foundations and ideological values are as strong as ever.

Revolutions are about building countries and societies, not about destroying them; so how can we call what is happening in Syria a revolution? Attempts to package the events on the ground as a part of a revolution have been futile from the beginning.

http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/07/04/490658.htm

July 4th, 2013, 10:56 pm

 

omen said:

that 2,000 figure is a complete lie. ban ki moon cited it. he put out that number to throw cold water on rising calls for the un to do something to save homs. (why is the un carrying water for assad?)

activists say there are more people than that remaining.

even one of the “christians imperiled” article that one of the regimists posted on this thread admitted that tens of thousands of civilians still remain in homs.

July 4th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

omen said:

either someone doesn’t know what a seige is or he’s playing stupid.

July 4th, 2013, 11:01 pm

 

Ilya said:

Rev
sometimes people don’t want to leave or cant.
They could be to old,or sick or injured to weak to leave ,besieged city decided to stay,or being held by hostages by rebels,or have nowhere to go,sometimes circumstances unfortunately are not in favor of innocent civilians.
But the war goes on ,there is no one i could see who can negotiate with Assad they are just bunch of fractured militias,how can they represent Syrian people?
These people in turkey don’t represent rebels fighting strange situation when fighters and politicians live in parallel words don’t represent each other.
Wars in Libya and Afghanistan continues because opposition have no strong unified leader.
this mess aint ending soon unfortunately ….

July 4th, 2013, 11:06 pm

 

don said:

West sends ‘terrorists’ to Syria: Assad

DAMASCUS :-Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad accused the West of sending “takfiri terrorist groups” to his country as a way to get rid of them, in an interview with a Syrian daily published on Thursday. Western countries believe that “these takfiri (extremist) terrorist groups that have been a security concern for decades will come to Syria and be killed and that way they will get rid of them,” Assad told the Al-Thawra daily.

Assad told the newspaper, a government daily, that even Western countries backing the uprising no longer referred to it as a “revolution.” “The word revolution is no longer mentioned, now what’s being talked about is terrorism,” Assad told the daily. “They’ve moved to another phase. They distinguish between a good terrorist and a bad terrorist… but the word revolution is no longer mentioned,” he said.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/international/05-Jul-2013/west-sends-terrorists-to-syria-assad

July 4th, 2013, 11:07 pm

 

Observer said:

This is guy should hang and this guy should go to prison and this revolution should be carpet bombed and this city should be gased.

There is no legitimacy to any of these pronouncements. There is something called the rule of law.

Morsi can be recalled if enough people ask for it.

Morsi can be impeached if he brakes the constitution.

But to have the army stage a coup is a step back towards the type of garbage dump we have in Thouria Alathad.

If Morsi abused his powers then bring him to the constitutional court.

Now the opposition is going to call for new elections. Al Baradei is running for it and he already justified the closing of TV stations and the hunting of MB people.

He claims it is under the rule of law. Why then did he not ask under the rule of law for a recall of Morsi or his impeachment. He claims the demonstrations were enough for a recall. I call that mob rule not democracy.

These people are going through a disastrous cycle of revolution. They claim that the revolution lost two years under MB. Well now let us see if they can deliver.

I predict the MB will not join the government and will be in the opposition. If they are not allowed open opposition they will go underground. As I expect the liberal opposition is as divided and as inept as the Syria opposition the country will lurch from crisis to crisis and from revolution to revolution and there will be a collapse of the economy.

This is god sent to the MB who will then claim that they were not allowed to show their potential and that the liberal way is a failure as well.

The army is going to run the country: welcome to Thouria Alathad. No wonder the iPad retard thinks it is a victory just as Abbas thinks it is victory.

What a bunch of retards.

My slogan today is that of Iranian youth ( which according to zoo zoo and reeve and company should be sentenced to death for uttering it ): death to the dictator.

I guess I will be accused of inciting violence. I am only repeating that slogan of the Iranian youth and would add to it that of the American revolution : give me liberty or give me death.

I do not know how it is possible to have such perverted logic on this blog. It does not matter who is in charge a coup d’etat is illegal.

July 4th, 2013, 11:10 pm

 

omen said:

377. Observer said: He claims that there is no room for political islam. Well what is Shia then? It is a pure political Islam

that’s right. somebody had to remind me that iran & hezbollah are also organized under the rubric of “political islam.”

p.s. ha! 🙂

July 4th, 2013, 11:11 pm

 

omen said:

observer, somebody said egypt doesn’t have an impeachment process. i don’t know if that’s true or not.

July 4th, 2013, 11:16 pm

 

omen said:

My slogan today is that of Iranian youth ( which according to zoo zoo and reeve and company should be sentenced to death for uttering it ): death to the dictator.

yes, but this wouldn’t be the message mb would spread via their media network.

they would incite revenge against the protesters. it was the mb who showed up at rallies carrying clubs. it was the mb who fired live rounds at protesters.

the risk is real for a dangerous escalation. rwanda happened because hate speech was broadcast across the land on radio stations. think about that. all people had to do was hear something and that incited them to commit mass murders. with mb supporters worked up already and emotions running high, people are primed right now to do awful things. temporary bans on media outlets is a precaution. let things cool down first, then open them again.

July 4th, 2013, 11:24 pm

 

Ziad said:

Syria: Homs in front of the complete liberation from terrorism

These small areas, where only a few hundred civilists are still there as it is said, the Syrian army would be able to crush the pockets of terrorists one ofter the other – if the terrorists will not capitulate as they did in al-Qusair (al-Qusayr) and Tal Kalakh previously because of their hopelessness. At the sides of the still active terrorists in the Syrian city of Homs, there is already a great frustration given their inevitable situation to be defeated soon.

http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-homs-complete-liberation-terrorism/

July 4th, 2013, 11:34 pm

 

Ilya said:

Omen
Are you aware that Persian Iran has not attacked any countries in last 300 years?
Persia Was attacked by Nomadic Arabic tribes,forcibly converted to Islam by its invaders.So how can you blame Iran and its people for problem that’s going on in whole Arab world?
was it Iran who started war in Syria,revolution in Arab countries?
you people everywhere see Iranian hand,or Zionist,or American ,its always Persian fault.
Its never Arabs fault for their problems always blame someone else no wonder you guys behind whole world in development…
Did Germany blame someone else for their Nazi problem? No they took like a men rebuild itself and their image,noone blame Germans for their past,time to look in Mirror?

July 4th, 2013, 11:43 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

I wonder if inciting violence law can be used after Assad falls, all those thugs here on SC are inciting violence.

In Egypt the army issued an order to allow peaceful demonstrations, tomorrow is friday we will see huge demonstrations.

The constitutional court in Egypt is made of bunch of Mubarak appointees ,today Adli Mansour spoke of hatred, he disqualified himself of being good judge let alone a president.

July 4th, 2013, 11:43 pm

 

Ziad said:

تنظيما”القاعدة” و”الأخوان المسلمون” يعلنان عن تشكيل “مجلس حربي” في سيناء لمواجهة الجيش المصري!

أعلن الأخوان المسلمون والتنظيمات الجهادية المرتبطة بتنظيم”القاعدة” في سيناء مساء أمس ، وبعد أقل من ساعة على عزل الرئيس الأخوني محمد مرسي،عن تشكيل “مجلس حرب” ضد الجيش المصري ، واصفين إياه بـ”الجيش الخائن”! وأظهر شريط حوالي ثلاثة آلاف من أنصار التنظيمين وهم يستمعون إلى خطبة زعيم جهادي وهو يعلن عن تشكيل “المجلس” تحت راية تنظيم “القاعدة”، متوعدا بطرد الجيش والشرطة من سيناء ، و واصفا الفريق السيسي بأنه “خائن”! كما وتوعد الخطيب بأنه لن تكون هناك انتخابات بعد اليوم ! وتذكر الخطبة بما كانت التظاهرات السورية تعلنه في بداياتها، بالتزامن مع ظهور السلاح، وبخطب “جبهة الإنقاذ الإسلامي” الجزائرية بعد إلغاء الانتخابات التي فازت فيها الجبهة”!؟

http://www.syriatruth.org/الأخبار/أخباروتقاريرأخرى/tabid/94/Article/10058/Default.aspx

July 4th, 2013, 11:44 pm

 

don said:

AL-Assad: Muslim Brotherhood Rule Failed before It Started

http://english.alahednews.com.lb/essaydetails.php?eid=23645&cid=386

July 4th, 2013, 11:44 pm

 

revenire said:

Thanks for the info on the few civilians in these areas of Homs. I kind of assumed it wasn’t 1000s and the same suspects were making noises in order to try to get the West to come in.

Two million in Aleppo are being starved and the West says nothing.

July 4th, 2013, 11:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Street demonstrations are Baltajeh,or Mob shabbiha acts.more accurate is to go to the voting booths.

To call for hanging Qaradawi,should be answered by a call to hang Khameini and Hassan Nasrallal

July 4th, 2013, 11:57 pm

 

Ilya said:

The Brothers are playing for keeps.

By Andrew C. McCarthy, NRO

Posted December 11 2012 !!!

As Egypt under the heel of Mohamed Morsi unravels, here’s the late-breaking news: The Muslim Brotherhood is the enemy of democracy.

This has always been obvious to anyone who took the time to look into it. Nevertheless, it has not been an easy point to make lo these many years. Even as the Justice Department proved beyond any doubt in court that the Brotherhood’s major goal in America and Europe — its self-professed “grand jihad” — is “eliminating and destroying Western civilization,” to have the temerity to point this out is to be smeared as an “Islamophobe.” That’s the Islamophilic Left’s code for “racist.”

Nor is it just the Left. Like the transnational progressives who hold sway in Democratic circles, many of the neoconservative thinkers who have captured Republican foreign-policy making encourage “outreach” to “moderate Islamists” — a ludicrously self-contradictory term. The idea is to collaborate in the construction of “Islamic democracies.” That’s another nonsensical term — to borrow Michael Rubin’s quote of a moderate Muslim academic piqued by the encroachments of Turkey’s ruling Islamists, “We are a democracy. Islam has nothing to do with it.” That is clearly right. Yet, to argue the chimerical folly of the sharia-democracy experiment is to be demagogued as an “isolationist.” It is as if the Right can no longer fathom an engaged foreign policy that concentrates solely on vital U.S. interests and treats America’s enemies as, well, enemies.

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Of course, it is neither Islamophobic nor isolationist to observe that Islamic supremacism is derived from literal Muslim scripture; that it is a mainstream interpretation of Islam whose adherents, far from being limited to a “violent extremist” fringe, number in the hundreds of millions and include many of Islam’s most influential thinkers and institutions. These are simply facts. Nor is it Islamophobic or isolationist to contend that any sensible engagement with Islamic supremacists — very much including the Muslim Brotherhood — ought to be aimed at their marginalization and defeat, not their cultivation and empowerment. This is not a popular view; opinions amply supported by unpleasant facts are rarely popular. But following it would strengthen pro-Western Muslims while promoting an American global engagement that is essential, effective, and affordable. That is the very antithesis of Islamophobia and isolationism.
The central contention here has been that the Muslim Brotherhood is an innately, incorrigibly Islamic-supremacist outfit. Wherever it establishes a presence, it seeks — as gradually as indigenous conditions require, and as rapidly as they allow — to implement its repressive construction of sharia. Wherever it gets the opportunity to rule, it uses its power to impose this sharia, despite resistance from the society’s non-Islamist factions.

This is not a mere theory. Egypt, the world’s most important Arab country, is violently convulsing before our eyes in direct reaction to the suffocation that is Islamist rule. So, will we finally take the lesson? Will we finally come to understand why democracy and Islamic supremacism cannot coexist?

Western democracy has Judeo-Christian underpinnings. At its core is the equal dignity of every person. This sacred commitment, ironically, enables our bedrock secular guarantee: freedom of conscience. It is anathema to the Brotherhood. As their guiding jurist, Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, teaches: “Secularism can never enjoy general acceptance in an Islamic society.” This is because “the acceptance of secularism means abandonment of sharia.”

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Now, maybe you doubt this. Maybe you think “Islamic democracy” enthusiasts like Hillary Clinton, edified by her trusty aide Huma Abedin, know more about sharia than Sheikh Qaradawi does. But let’s just say I doubt it — and I am quite certain that the ummah would laugh, and then probably riot, at such a suggestion.
The Brothers really do believe what they say. They especially believe what Qaradawi says.

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Obama officials tirelessly portray the Brotherhood as a normal, “largely secular” organization. Other Western progressives nod their heads in unison. Even with Egypt aflame over Morsi’s aggressive constitution gambit — the fulfillment of his campaign promise of a constitution that would reflect “the sharia, then the sharia, and finally the sharia” — New York Times Cairo bureau chief David Kirkpatrick assures Hugh Hewitt’s listeners that the Brotherhood is a “moderate, regular old political force” that “just want[s] to win elections.” The Brothers, you are to conclude, are just an Islamic analogue to Europe’s Christian Democrats.
This is worse than lunacy. It is the most irresponsible brand of willful blindness. Mr. Kirkpatrick, in fact, amplifies his see-no-sharia analysis with a whopper: You oughtn’t render harsh judgments about the Brothers’ intentions because, “you know, you don’t know what their ultimate vision of . . . the good life looks like.”

Actually, they could not have made themselves clearer on that subject. Perhaps you’ve heard: “Allah is our objective, the Prophet is our leader, the Koran is our law, jihad is our way, and dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” Islam, in this ultimate vision, cannot tolerate secular democracy because sharia — the “Koran is our law” part of the equation — will not abide it.
read rest here
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/51469

July 5th, 2013, 12:10 am

 

revenire said:

Qaradawi is a crazy old man. His views are barbaric and criminal.

July 5th, 2013, 12:15 am

 

ghufran said:

Hassan Hijazi:
الرئيس المؤقت جورج صبرا يقول إن المعارضة بدأت تفقد ثقة الشارع وإذا لم نخرج بتوافق سيكون هناك انقسام حاد. لكن دبلوماسي غربي يتابع الملف يقول لوكالة ألمانيا إن الإدارة الأميركية أمهلت الإئتلاف فرصة أخيرة لتوحيد صفوفه، قبل إنشاء جسم بديل، من أجل حسم المشاركة في مؤتمر جنيف والدخول في الحوار السياسي..
يعزو الدبلوماسي هذه الرغبة الأميركية إلى أن الأحداث تتسارع في المنطقة نحو إمكانية تراجع شعبية التيارات الإسلامية، وهو ما أعلنه الرئيس السوري بقوله بعد عزل مرسي سقط الإسلام السياسي.
مارتن أنديك يعرض متغيرات أخرى من ضمنها صعوبة المراهنة على إعادة التوازن الميداني في سورية، وكذلك عدم المراهنة على المعارضة في عزل جماعات النصرة، في سورية.
ما هو أكيد، يقول أنديك، لن تكون المعارضة السورية في مرحلة هبوط التيارات الإسلامية كما كانت في مرحلة صعودها.
Islamists in Syria and Islamists in the expat community are directly responsible for the mess the opposition is in today.

read this from “Mr civil war” and “let us kill ’em all” and laugh:
“Street demonstrations are Baltajeh,or Mob shabbiha acts.more accurate is to go to the voting booths”

July 5th, 2013, 12:26 am

 
 

Ilya said:

Hamas operatives arrested with explosives in Cairo
TEL AVIV — Seven members of Hamas were arrested in Cairo after being caught with explosive-laden cars meant to be used in a series of attacks in Egypt, according to a senior Egyptian intelligence official speaking to WND.

The official said the Hamas gunmen were working in conjunction with members of the Muslim Brotherhood pending a decision by leaders within the Islamist group to order attacks in retaliation for the military’s ouster of Mohamed Morsi as president following days of massive popular protests.

The information comes after WND reported yesterday the Brotherhood was studying how to form a so-called military wing to carry out terrorist attacks, according to a senior Egyptian security official.

The official said the possibilities the Muslim Brotherhood members were discussing include formally renouncing membership in the Muslim Brotherhood so they can direct attacks, including against tourist sites in Egypt.

The Brotherhood’s proposed military wing would model itself after Al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya, a notorious Egyptian terror group founded by the Muslim Brotherhood, the official said.

Al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya is suspected of involvement in the 1981 assassination of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat, and it took credit for the 1995 attempted killing of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. It has carried out scores of deadly terrorist attacks, some targeting foreign tourists.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/hamas-operatives-arrested-with-explosives-in-cairo/#g8lwTky7XemuAJVp.99
this is gotta be reason behind Gaza tunnels closures

July 5th, 2013, 12:36 am

 

ghufran said:

A lot happened in Egypt in the last 24 hours, one thing for sure, most Egyptians are happy to open a new page where the ghost of Islamists is gone from the national scene (for the most part):
(an update from Khaled Al-Shami):
قالت وزارة الصحة ان هجمات شنها انصار مرسي على مراكز للشرطة ومعارضيه في اربع محافظات ادت لمقتل 11 شخصا بينهم ضابط برتبة نقيب.
واصدر قاضي تحقيق مذكرات ضبط واحضار لعدد كبير من قيادات الاخوان بينهم الرئيس المخلوع محمد مرسي وعصام العريان ومحمد البلتاجي وصبحي صالح للتحقيق معهم بتهمة اهانة القضاء والشرطة. وبناء على قرار من النيابة القت الشرطة القبض على المرشد العام للجماعة في قرية الاندلسية السياحية الفخمة في الساحل الشمالي بتهمة التحريض على قتل المتظاهرين امام مكتب الارشاد قبل عدة ايام. كما امرت بتوقيف خيرت الشاطر بالتهمة نفسه الا انه كان مازال هاربا حتى مساء امس.
واكدت مصادر لـ’القدس العربي’ ان مرسي ما زال موجودا في مقر الحرس الجمهوري تحت الاقامة الجبرية، وانه سيمثل للتحقيق امام النيابة الاثنين المقبل في عدد من القضايا الاخرى بينها هروبه من سجن وادي النطرون،حسبما طلبت محكمة جنح الاسماعيلية التي اصدرت حكما اكد انه كان هرب بمساعدة من عناصر تابعين لحركة حماس تسللوا عبر الانفاق بعد اندلاع ثورة يناير2011.
وقال مصدر عسكري ان مرسي موجود تحت التحفظ وليس الاعتقال، وان هذا الاجراء قانوني نظرا لصدور قرار من النيابة العامة بمنعه من السفر وضبطه واحضاره للتحقيق معه.
وعلمت ‘القدس العربي’ ان القوات المسلحة حصلت على ادلة بشأن طلبات سرية ارسلها مرسي خلال الاثنين الماضي الى الولايات المتحدة ودول اوروبية للتدخل عسكريا في مصر للحفاظ على رئاسته، وانها قد تشكل جزءا من ادلة لمحاكمته بتهمة الخيانة العظمى وتهديد الامن القومي. ويفسر هذا قيام الجيش باحتجاز الدكتور عصام الحداد مستشار العلاقات الخارجية في الرئاسة مع مرسي في مقر الحرس الجمهوري.
وادت الانباء بوقف الولايات االمتحدة مساعداتها لمصر الى زيادة الغضب الشعبي ضد واشنطن والاخوان، واعتبر كثيرون ان القرار يؤكد اتهامهم بالعمالة، وطالبوا بطرد السفيرة الامريكية من القاهرة.
وبينما كانت القاهرة تشتعل بالاحتفالات مساء الاربعاء، زارت ‘القدس العربي’ ساحة رابعة العدوية التي حولها انصار مرسي الى ما يشبه المعسكر، وقامت على حراسته العشرات منهم مسلحين بالشوم (عصيان غليظة) بينما ارتدوا خوذات معدنية غليظة.
وبينما تجمع عدة مئات منهم امام منصة كانت تنادي بسقوط السيسي وشيخ الازهر والبابا تواضروس والدكتور محمد البرادعي، خلد الباقون للنوم او الراحة في الخيام التي نصبوها على جانبي الطريق.
وقال احد انصار مرسي ان عدد المعتصمين يبلغ مليون شخص، الا ان عددهم الواقعي كما عاينته ‘القدس العربي’ لا يمكن بأي حال ان يزيد عن خمسة الاف شخص، الا انه قد يزيد قليلا خلال النهار بسبب قدوم بعض المناصرين لمرسي، وعودتهم لمنازلهم في المساء.
واكد الموجودون انهم يصرون على البقاء في الاعتصام حتى عودة ما اسموها ‘الشرعية’ باستعادة مرسي للسلطة، وان كلفهم ذلك ارواحهم.
وبينما قال بعضهم ان تجمعهم سلمي وسيبقى سلميا، هدد اخرون في تصريحات لـ’القدس العربي’ مسجلة بالصوت والصورة، باغتيال شخصيات ورموز سياسية وعسكرية ودينية.
وزعموا ان مسلحين اسلاميين استولوا على مراكز للشرطة في الصعيد، وان الجيش الثاني الميداني اعلن انه ما زال يدين بالولاء لمرسي. ونفى قائد الجيش الثاني الميداني في وقت لاحق حدوث اي انشقاق في القوات المسلحة، واكد ان الجيش المصري كما بدا هو على قلب رجل واحد

July 5th, 2013, 12:39 am

 

don said:

Game Theory vs. Reality

Despite the overwhelming skepticism on the part of the international community, the Obama Administration recently changed its evaluation of the ‘evidence’ of chemical weapons use in Syria. By its own admission, this was to serve as a pretext for their previously-rendered and domestically unpopular decision to deepen U.S. involvement in the conflict in an attempt to offset the Syrian army’s momentum in recent months. Simultaneously, the Administration deployed a number of US assets to Jordan and delayed the scheduled Geneva II summit on Syria in the hopes that the rebels could gain ground in the interim. According to Washington policymakers, this should put the regime in a weaker negotiating position going into the talks, making it increasingly likely that Bashar al-Asad will be willing to step down, or offer greater concessions to Western powers.

This strategy is informed by Game Theory, popular among the sociologists, political scientists and economists who advise Washington policymakers. Game Theory models “rational” choices in competitive situations—where rationality is defined in terms of risks v. payoffs / costs v. benefits calculations, typically relative to some material outcome.

Of course, the dirty little secret of Game Theory is that whenever its experiments are run with actual subjects (as opposed to the typical method of running simulations with idealized agents), people are found to be robustly irrational—this is actually a good thing, as a game-theoretic “perfectly rational” agent would essentially be a psychopath/sociopath. However, it should not be surprising to find out that practitioners reliant upon game theory generally have terrible predictive success rates (exacerbated by the “Black Swan” problem). The supposed credibility of the method is derived almost entirely from post-hoc analysis of historical events—analysis which can be conveniently spun regardless of what course of events ultimately occurs; accordingly, Game Theory serves mostly to “explain” the status quo rather than to provide insight into fluid situations. For these reasons, even prominent game-theorists have come to admit that the method has negligible “real-world” utilisation, and that reliance upon the method for making predictions about actual situations is likely to do more harm than good (insofar as it obscures more effective analytic frameworks); apparently Washington hasn’t received the memo.

http://syriareport.net/game-theory-v-syrias-reality/

July 5th, 2013, 12:45 am

 

don said:

What REALLY Caused the Coup Against the Egyptian President

Egypt’s Support for Intervention in Syria Was the Straw that Broke the Camel’s Back

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/07/what-really-caused-the-coup-against-the-egyptian-president.html

July 5th, 2013, 12:55 am

 

don said:

18+ Syria: Western backed Chechen Terrorists Behead Three Innocent Syrian Civilians

July 5th, 2013, 1:32 am

 

Mina said:

The Pro-Morsi in Egypt believe now that the coup was made because of the “Djihad in Syria” speech of Morsi. Since they are convinced that Bashar al Asad is a Zionist spy (I’ve heard it again from a guy I kno just 2 days ago), I wonder how they are now taking the Qatari recognition of the new authorities.
It seems that the arrests have to do with preparations for attacks against the 30 June protesters in which the MB had asked for the help of Hamas. The sit-in were announced to be open-ended.
As a good way of pressure against Qatar, news of an inquiry into Morsi and Shater’s escape from jail on Feb 11th 2011 emerged just 2 weeks ago.
Morsi has promessed in several of his interviews to resign if there was 2 millions people against him in Tahrir. Now the problem is that he is a lunatic who believes God has appointed him (this came as a topic in many programmes on religious channels).
In a way Ahmadinejad was a lighter case: at least he knew it was the mollahs who appointed him.
Morsi’s arrest show him in the same denial as Ben Ali and Mubarak. He could simply have organised a referendum.

July 5th, 2013, 2:58 am

 

Alan said:

Egypt and the Real Arab Spring: Muslim Brotherhood and Obama on the Wrong Side of History
http://moderntokyotimes.com/2013/07/04/egypt-and-the-real-arab-spring-muslim-brotherhood-and-obama-on-the-wrong-side-of-history/

July 5th, 2013, 4:16 am

 

Alan said:

Mikhail Margelov: Mursi failed to unite society
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=520218

July 5th, 2013, 4:33 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The arrests of MB leaders in Egypt is bad decision by the army,Mursi house arrest is not justified either, yes to referendum,it has to be fair and transparent, things will not be calm in Egypt, the country is divided,the army leadership is not neutral,the main obstacle to democracy in Egypt is the constitutional court, Adli Mansour appointment as transitional president is a mistake,Absurdity.
Political Islam is not dead, and will never be,Assad is stupid to say this, and his thugs here on SC they are parroting such stupid statement.
It seems the army in Egypt is tilting toward violence,by arresting MB leaders,and arresting M Mursi, this contradicts freedom and democracy.
The army has to announce new election of Parliament and referendum on Mursi presidency as soon as possible,three months are too late,meanwhile Adli Mansour has to go.streets demonstrations will continue,Egypt will collapse, Sisi must be held responsible for what he did,a crime against the egyptian democracy.

July 5th, 2013, 6:24 am

 

Mina said:

Fisk has an interesting quote of Obama: ““who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others…you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.””

Indeed, the MB have behaved exactly like one would expect extreme-right parties would if they were winning an election: lecture people daily on the fact demonstrations are haram in religion, and criticize elections as wrong, but necessary in their case because it was the tool of God to bring them in power.

This is not what the building of a society that needs to get out of partiarchy and tribalism needs.

July 5th, 2013, 6:50 am

 

Mina said:

A deal with Saudi Arabia?
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/confessed-killer-rafik-hariri-released-prison

“In 2006, Faisal Akbar, a Saudi national and member of the cell, had confessed to taking part in the assassination, but subsequently retracted his confession for unknown reasons. During questioning, Akbar disclosed detailed information that the international commission of inquiry would verify months later.”

July 5th, 2013, 6:56 am

 

ghufran said:

I do not know what planet majed lives on,most Egyptians are thrilled to get rid of MB clowns, Egypt is finally able to remove Mubarak’s regime without replacing it with the MB, Syria needs to do the same, replace Assad but not let the MBs and islamists in. Islamists in Syria are already linked to violence and terrorism, the same will happen in Egypt if the MBs and their friends use violence.
MB lovers on this blog can complain as much as they want, political Islam may not be dead but is never the answer to the regions problem, it will keep the “Middle” east in the “Middle” ages, and that is what some of you prefer over secular governments. the MBs are Baathists with beards, neither is good for Syria.

July 5th, 2013, 7:19 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The Authority in Egypt arrested the lawyer because he is defending Katatni, The lawyer job is to defend his client,this is violation of human rights.

Ghufran comment is absurdity, I am not surprised coming from him, some people claim high education,but utter absurdity and nonsense

July 5th, 2013, 7:42 am

 

ghufran said:

Baradei:

اعتبر رئيس حزب “الدستور” محمد البرادعي، ان إقدام الجيش على عزل الرئيس المصري محمد مرسي كان الشيء الصحيح من أجل بلاده، مؤكداً ضرورة أن تكون كل الأطراف ومن بينها “الأخوان المسلمون” في مستقبلها، مشدداً على ان أحداً لا يتحمل فشل مصر.
وقال البرادعي، وهو منسق جبهة الإنقاذ أكبر تجمع للمعارضة المدنية في مصر، لشبكة “سي إن إن” الأميركية ان عزل الجيش لمرسي كان الخطوة الصواب من أجل مصر، مؤكداً ضرورة أن تكون كل الأطراف ومن بينها “الأخوان المسلمون” مكان في مستقبل البلاد. وذكر “لا يمكننا تحمل فشل مصر، ولا أحد يمكن أن يتحمل ذلك”.
وشدد على ان ما حصل في مصر ليس انقلاباً عسكرياً، وقال كان لا بد إما المخاطرة باندلاع حرب أهلية أو اتخاذ إجراءات دستورية إضافية لبقاء البلاد متماسكة.
ورأى البرادعي ان ما تمر به مصر صعب، نظراً للآمال العالية التي كانت لدى الكثيرين بعد تنحي الرئيس المصري السابق حسني مبارك، معترفاً ان الانتخابات التي فاز فيها مرسي كانت “حرة وعادلة” لكن “الرئيس للأسف أساء التصرف”. وقال “عندما ينتهي الأمر بوجود أكثر من 20 مليون شخص في الشارع، لا بد أن يعي ان عليه الرحيل فوراً، وهذا وضع محزن”. واعتبر ان مغادرة مرسي للحكم ستسمح بأن تبدأ مصر من جديد صياغة الدستور وتشكيل حكومة شاملة.
وأوضح البرادعي ضرورة أن تضم الحكومة أعضاء من “الأخوان المسلمين” التي كانت محظورة في عهد مبارك وإنما كانت القوة السياسية الأقوى في مصر.
وقال انه من الممكن أن يترشح مرسي للرئاسة من جديد، “لكن لا أعتقد انه سيفعل ذلك”.
وأعرب عن أمله في أن يشارك أشخاص مؤهلون من “الأخوان المسلمين” والسلفيين في الحكومة المقبلة “فنحن بحاجة لأن يكون الجميع جزءاً من هذه العملية السياسية، ونريد مجتمعاً متماسكاً متسامحاً ويحترم اختلافات الآخرين”.
Those who made the coup possible, the MB, are the last ones who should complain that the army intervened, it is amazing how in one year a man who won half of Egyptians’ votes managed to send 20 millions to the street in protest, the explanation is simple, Islamists use a political Taqiyya until they reach power, then they start a holy campaign to put their agents in every state institution because they believe that god sent them on a mission to straighten the society and prohibit people from Munkar, it is a sick ideology practiced by a bunch of hypocrites who use religion as a cover to hide their fascism, I have no problem with moderate islamists being members of the PA or the government but they should not be trusted to lead, the MBs are Baathists with beards.

July 5th, 2013, 8:04 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Action by the Egyptian army is understandable, but Arresting MB leaders and their lawyers whose job is to defend them is a major mistake by the army, also appointing Adli Mansour as president is another mistake, it is a lie to say that the people appointed him.

What I want from Egypt is to help the Syrian revolution who call for freedom against a TYRANT,Assad regime is not a secular regime,we heared enough of this lie by Ghufran and Zoo and the advocate of crimes Revenir

July 5th, 2013, 8:28 am

 

revenire said:

The Syrian air force has begun to conduct high altitude precision strikes on the old quarters in Homs in an effort to grind down the terrorists that are holed up in the area.

The army in its efforts to secure the third largest city in Syria and a vital point, has cut off the main roads of the important Khaldiyeh district in Homs from the terrorist hives of Rastan and Talbiseh. Only 5 streets remain to be secured as well as an unknown number of tunnels.

July 5th, 2013, 8:42 am

 

revenire said:

Will Syrian “rebels” swear they’re not going to eat someone’s organs? – Rozoff

The US and its NATO allies are backing what can only be described as murderous cannibalistic savages in Syria but according to Voice of Russia regular contributor Rick Rozoff: “Apparently, nobody is too gruesome, too ghoulish, too fiendish for the US and its NATO allies not to portray them as freedom fighters, fund them, arm them, train them and bomb the country they’re attacking on their behalf.”

Robles: “I’m glad you mentioned Syria. Before we began recording, you mentioned something about President Vladimir Putin and something he said, which I think reflects really well on the situation that the West is promoting in Syria.”

Rozoff: “Yes, I didn’t get to read the entirety of it but on Interfax today Russian President Vladimir Putin, in discussing the upcoming Geneva meeting on Syria, the one negotiated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and American Secretary of State John Kerry, made the comment, I don’t know off the cuff, or quite directly perhaps, that he hopes that the Western-backed opposition forces don’t include in their numbers any cannibals.”

“And that was clearly an allusion to a videotape that has been making the rounds for the last month or so, where a commander of the so-called ‘rebel’ outfit in Syria (I assume it was a corpse at the time they got started on it) carved up the body of a Syrian soldier identified, they condemned the victim, as having been a member of another branch of Islam, Alawite, and apparently he thought he was eating the heart, I mean he needs some remedial anatomy lessons. But the people who watched the video (I’ve seen it and it it is enough to sicken one) but people watching suggest he actually cut out part of a lung and ate it, red and steaming.”

Robles: “Oh my God!!”

Rozoff: “And from what I’ve read subsequent to that, somebody interviewed this very same person about it and he defended that action, and suggested in so many words that the Alawite religious minority in Syria as a whole could face such a fate.”

Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_06_21/Will-Syrian-rebels-swear-they-re-not-going-to-eat-someone-s-organs-Rozoff-3043/

July 5th, 2013, 9:06 am

 

don said:

Clashes in Egypt after Fridays morning prayer.

July 5th, 2013, 9:25 am

 

revenire said:

There it is. Morsi’s self-destructive attack on Syria brought him down.

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Morsi role at Syria rally seen as tipping point for Egypt army
Head of state had attended rally with hardline Islamists calling for holy war in war-torn neighbour

Army concern about the way President Mohamed Morsi was governing Egypt reached tipping point when the head of state attended a rally packed with hardline fellow Islamists calling for holy war in Syria, military sources have said.

At the June 15th rally, Sunni Muslim clerics used the word “infidels” to denounce both the Shias fighting to protect Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and the non-Islamists that oppose Mr Morsi at home.

Mr Morsi himself called for foreign intervention in Syria against Mr Assad, leading to a veiled rebuke from the army, which issued an apparently bland but sharp-edged statement the next day stressing that its only role was guarding Egypt’s borders.

“The armed forces were very alarmed by the Syrian conference at a time the state was going through a major political crisis,” said one officer, whose comments reflected remarks made privately by other army staff. He was speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not permitted to talk to the media.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/morsi-role-at-syria-rally-seen-as-tipping-point-for-egypt-army-1.1450612

July 5th, 2013, 9:31 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

“What I want from Egypt is to help the Syrian revolution who call for freedom against a TYRANT,”

Egyptians after tasting the Moslem Brotherhood for just one year were quick to realize they were worse TYRANTS than Mobarak and threw them out and in jail.
The Moslem Brotherhood has lost its credibility for years to come and will go underground.
The Egyptian Army will never support the SNC and the FSA as long at they did not get rid of the Moslem Brotherhood agents and the Al Qaeda fighters, an impossible task.

Keep wanting, suggesting, predicting and dreaming…

July 5th, 2013, 9:55 am

 

zoo said:

As expected Erdogan is furious. Why didn’t he give advices to his friend Morsy to avoid the disaster? Not only it is a blow against the Moslem Brotherhood that Erdogan, together with Qatar, have been promoting, but a blow to Turkey’s lucrative business promises in Egypt .

Turkish PM Erdoğan slams Western countries over Egypt

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pm-erdogan-slams-western-countries-over-egypt.aspx?pageID=238&nID=50096&NewsCatID=338

July 5th, 2013, 10:03 am

 

Tara said:

It is possible that Abu Sakkar was mentally disturbed all along. Or perhaps the war made him this way. War damages men – and Syria is no different. As the poet W H Auden wrote: “Those to whom evil is done, do evil in return.”

Face-to-face with Abu Sakkar, Syria’s ‘heart-eating cannibal’
By Paul Wood
BBC News


“I really don’t remember,” he says, when I ask if it was the man’s heart, as reported at the time, or liver, or a piece of lung, as a doctor who saw the video said. He goes on: “I didn’t bite into it. I just held it for show.”

The video says otherwise…

“It looks like you’re carving him a Valentine’s heart,” says one of his men, raucously. Abu Sakkar picks up a bloody handful of something and declares: “We will eat your hearts and your livers you soldiers of Bashar the dog.”  Then he brings his hand up to his mouth and his lips close around whatever he is holding. At the time the video was released, in May, we rang him and he confirmed to us that he had indeed taken a ritual bite (of a piece of lung, he said).  Now, meeting him face-to-face, he seems a bit more circumspect, though his anger builds when I ask why he carried out this depraved act.  “I didn’t want to do this. I had to,” he tells me. “We have to terrify the enemy, humiliate them, just as they do to us. Now, they won’t dare be wherever Abu Sakkar is.”

He is 27, a stocky, tough-looking Bedouin from the Baba Amr district of Homs, with a wild stare and skin burned a dark brown by the sun. He tells me the story of his involvement in the revolution, leading to his current notoriety.  Before the uprising, he was working as a labourer in Baba Amr. He joined the demonstrations when they started in the spring of 2011. Then, he says, a woman and child were shot dead at a protest. His brother went to help. He, too, was shot and killed.  Put yourself in my shoes – they slaughtered your brothers, they murdered your uncle and aunt… all this happened to me”

In February 2012, he was fighting with the Farouq Brigade, and they tried, and failed, to stop the regime taking Baba Amr. When the FSA fled Baba Amr, he started his own brigade, the Omar al-Farouq. They saw bitter fighting in Qusayr.  Along the way, he lost another brother, many relatives, and countless of his men. His parents were arrested and he says the police rang him so he could hear them being beaten.

“Put yourself in my shoes,” he says. “They took your father and mother and insulted them. They slaughtered your brothers, they murdered your uncle and aunt. All this happened to me. They slaughtered my neighbours.”  He goes on to talk about the man whose flesh he held in his hands: “This guy had videos on his mobile. It showed him raping a mother and her two daughters. He stripped them while they begged him to stop in the name of God. Finally he slaughtered them with a knife… What would you have done?”. “If we don’t get help, a no-fly zone, heavy weapons, we will do worse – you’ve seen nothing yet”  Well, perhaps not make a meal of my enemy, I think. At the time, Abu Sakkar’s men greeted what he did with cries of “God is Great”. Now the fighters looking after him while he recovers from an injury just seem a bit embarrassed.

“In the beginning, when we captured an Alawite fighter, we would feed him, make him feel comfortable. We used to tell him we were brothers. But then they started raping our women, slaughtering children with knives.”

Abu Sakkar shows me scars from 14 different bullet wounds on his body. “We’re under siege, it’s been two years now,” he says. “Videos from the Shabiha [government militia] show many more terrible things than what I did. You weren’t too bothered. There wasn’t much of a media fanfare. You didn’t care. You suffer a fraction of what we suffered and you’ll do what I did and more.”  He continues: “Qusayr was destroyed, Baba Amr destroyed, Homs was entirely destroyed. No-one cares. See how the refugees are living? Would you accept your parents living the same way? The Syrian people refuse to be humiliated. We are defending the Islamic nation and this is how the Arabs and the West treat us? What did the West do? Nothing.”

So Abu Sakkar has become the “cannibal rebel” – a handy symbol for all those who, like the Russian President, Vladimir Putin, oppose arming the Syrian rebels.  Standing next to an uncomfortable looking David Cameron, Mr Putin told a G8 summit news conference: “These are people who don’t just kill their enemies, they open up their bodies, and eat their intestines in front of the public and the cameras. Are these the people you want to… supply with weapons?”

Gen Salim Idris: Why do our friends in the West focus on this?
I asked the Free Syrian Army’s chief of staff, Gen Salim Idris, why Abu Sakkar hadn’t been arrested. His answer tells you a lot about the reality of how the war is being fought on the rebel side.  “We condemn what he did,” said the general. “But why do our friends in the West focus on this when thousands are dying? We are a revolution not a structured army. If we were, we would have expelled Abu Sakkar. But he commands his own battalion, which he raised with his own money. Is the West asking me now to fight Abu Sakkar and force him out of the revolution? I beg for some understanding here.”

Abu Sakkar seems unsure how to respond to his notoriety. He is, by turns, sheepish, nervous, angry and bitter. He definitely has the look of a man who has seen too many bad things. At the end of our interview he says he is an “angel of death” coming to cash in the souls of the enemy.  After the video became public, his men filmed him making a statement. (Not for nothing has this been called the YouTube war.) In this video, Abu Sakkar is in a freshly pressed uniform, jauntily smoking a cigarette in a way that lends a slightly absurd air to the whole performance. He says he’s willing to stand trial – but only if President Bashar Assad does too.

There’s no immediate prospect of either men facing their accusers. Nor of peace talks, or even of a ceasefire. And so Syria’s descent into madness continues.

Peter Bouckaert from Human Rights Watch stresses that Abu Sakkar is “just one man, and there are many other armed fighters in Syria who reject such sectarian actions and would be horrified by the mutilation and desecration of a corpse – let alone an act of cannibalism”…

July 5th, 2013, 10:08 am

 

zoo said:

Iran is confused and rather disappointed by the fall of Morsy who, after 30 years, had the courage to re-establish a (awkward) relation with Iran

Iran Lawmaker: Morsi Failed to Gain Military Sway

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iran-lawmaker-morsi-failed-gain-military-sway-19578654#.UdbSlDdWq1k

Egypt’s now-toppled Islamist president made a tactical blunder by not exerting stronger influence over the country’s security and intelligence services after taking office last year, a prominent Iranian lawmaker said Thursday in comments that reflect Tehran’s disappointment over the fall of Mohammed Morsi.

Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood-led government ended more than three decades of diplomatic estrangement with Iran that dated back to the 1979 Islamic Revolution when Egypt offered refuge to Iran’s deposed shah. Ties further deteriorated after Egypt’s landmark peace deal with Israel.

Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of the Iranian parliament’s Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy, said Morsi “mistakenly” failed to reshape Egypt’s powerful military and other security agencies.

“The first mistake by the … Brotherhood was that they thought they would be able to conclude the revolution only by toppling Hosni Mubarak,” he said, adding that Morsi also failed to solve key economic problems in Egypt.

July 5th, 2013, 10:10 am

 

zoo said:

#551 Tara

Expect a lot of mentally disturbed people after this horrible ‘revolution’…

July 5th, 2013, 10:13 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Death by a thousand cuts.

I’m sure Rebels will go after more significant/strategic ammunition depots and even fuel depots.

On AJE syria blog 15 minutes ago:

Explosions rock Syrian army ammunition depots.

Explosions rocked several army ammunition depots near a brigade of regime forces in the western Syrian province of Latakia on Friday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Observatory director Rami Abdel Rahman said there were reports of deaths and injuries in the blasts but he had no further details.

Abdel Rahman said there were indications that the blasts were caused by rocket fire targeting the depots, but that there was uncertainty over who was behind the attack.

July 5th, 2013, 10:16 am

 

revenire said:

I could see if it was ONLY Abu Sakkar but in the video you can see other men and hear them chant “Allahu Akbar” as Sakkar ate the human flesh.

Later he threatened ALL Alawties with cannibalism. Surely no one here believes Abu Sakkar could eat ALL the Alawites in Syria himself. There are MILLIONS of them. His FSA comrades would help him eat their enemies. What other explanation is there?

Couple this with the beheadings etc. and you have a picture of barbaric savages who have perverted God to suit their depraved desires fed by all-consuming HATRED.

Someone trying to DEFEND this would also fit into the category of being mentally ill as well wouldn’t they?

Call it what it is.

It is disgusting to see APOLOGISTS for cannibalism.

The BBC is expected to make cannibalism sound nice. They lied about Houla and faked a photo (it was from Iraq). The UK arms the cannibals.

July 5th, 2013, 10:22 am

 

revenire said:

Uzair maybe you can tell me who Rami Abdel Rahman is? I’ve never been able to get a straight answer from anyone on your side of this war.

July 5th, 2013, 10:23 am

 

zoo said:

Morsi has fallen, but Hamas may be as big a loser

http://www.timesofisrael.com/morsi-has-fallen-but-the-biggest-loser-may-be-hamas/

Muslim Brotherhood’s Gaza offshoot banked heavily on support from Cairo’s regime. With Islamists being rounded up, Hamas could be forced to circle the wagons

“Hamas now becomes suspect of collaboration with Morsi,” he said.

Shay, who said that Hamas would likely be extremely careful in its dealings with Egypt – a country on which it depends, no matter the ruler …

With Egypt engaged in its own internal strife on the mainland, the Sinai Peninsula, already unruly and rife with global jihad terror operatives, could develop into an even greater problem, or it could be put down even more forcefully by the new regime in Egypt.

“The situation is so so so unique that almost anything could be correct,” said Hasson, who predicted that the Brotherhood would have to think long and hard “how to stay in the game.”

July 5th, 2013, 10:24 am

 

Ziad said:

MAJEDKHALDOUN #537 said:

“Political Islam is not dead, and will never be, Assad is stupid to say so”

As usual you are inaccurate and deceiving. In your own parlance we should say you are lying. Assad never said political Islam is dead. Go back and read carefully his interview. If you have another source where he said that please quote it.

July 5th, 2013, 10:31 am

 

Uzair8 said:

I’d say Al Jazaeera is pretty reliable. If they deem it worthy of citing Mr Rahman then I’d cautiously go along with it.

We shall wait for further corroborating reports and confirmations.

July 5th, 2013, 10:33 am

 

revenire said:

The West’s terrorists are starving to death TWO MILLION people in Aleppo. Not one word of condemnation from their supporters here.

Of course, any literate person knows that this is a war crime. Civilians are not to be denied food, water, etc.

The pro-cannibal terrorist supporters will answer this by going “What about Assad?” without demanding their filthy terrorists let food enter Aleppo.

Women, children, the elderly and the sick are being starved by these animals.

“edward dark ‏@edwardedark
@dondagoduce basically: rebels ban food & fuel from entry into regime controlled parts of Aleppo (2 million people)”

July 5th, 2013, 10:33 am

 

revenire said:

Ghufran I am bit surprised you addressed me. You usually say nothing to me at all.

If we start entering our personal stories here cannibals could accost our families. Many of my friends have been threatened in Australia, in Europe and in the USA. Let’s not forget that Syria is accosted by FOREIGN jihadis and they murder people.

Nests are active in each nation. The terrorists of the “revolution generation” think nothing of murdering someone because they support Assad.

I am one of the most vocal Assad supporters on this forum. Why would I want my family threatened by one of these degenerates?

As far as who is Syrian I am not aware of anyone here providing proof of their “Syrianess” – on the contrary people who claim to be Syrian cheered when the Zionist enemy hits Damascus and other parts of the homeland. Clearly they are not Syrian and gave up any part of Syria when they left. Some have been away from the homeland so long they no longer REMEMBER what a Syrian thinks like. We do not call these poor people Syrian but frauds and traitors.

One thing you will never see from me is one word of sectarian hatred or calling for the death of entire classes of Syrians. I called for the air force to bomb the enemy into submission. It is war right? I want the government to win and will stand by them forever. I believe in Assad and I believe he is the right man to lead the nation. I believe in elections with one-man one-vote.

That’s my answer.

Thank you.

July 5th, 2013, 10:43 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Mr Dark:

‘rebels ban food & fuel from entry into regime controlled parts of Aleppo (2 million people)’

Put to one side this accusation against the rebels. The revolution wouldn’t condone it. It’s another thing if regime bases were besieged or the roads were too dangerous and food was difficult to supply there. This has happened with the regime resorting to dropping food parcels onto bases from helicopters.

The regime for over 2 years, right from the beginning, has been doing this. Preventing protestors from being treated in hospitals, executing them on the hospital beds, doctors and nurses assaulting patients (injured demonstrators).

The regime has prevented food and medicine from entering opposition areas. Brave men and women at great risk have smuggled in vital necessities. I remember one such account from Homs earlier on.

July 5th, 2013, 10:47 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

It saddens me that we are not hearing any news about activism in Syria. What happened to writing anti regime slogans, organizing demonstrations, dying fountains in red, hanging Batta’s dolls, distributing anti material..etc etc

Did the regime kill and imprison all the good people or force them out? Is our country now men-less? Did he kill the soul of the revolution or is it just that no men are left behind?

July 5th, 2013, 10:54 am

 

don said:

Unbelievable! CNN International is desperately trying to incite violence in Egypt and China!

Have you noticed how they’re encouraging the violent islamists to close the Suez canal?!

Do they want to start world war III?!

July 5th, 2013, 11:05 am

 

zoo said:

#563 Tara

The people are exhausted. They only want to end of that nightmare.
All the promises of ‘freedom and karama’ failed with Syrians either dying under the fights, or of malnutrition or ending up in refugees camps.
The opposition has totally lost its credibility among the people. Not only it did not protect them but it exposed the civilians to an extreme violence they couldn’t endure. The “revolution” has been taken over by the “invited” Islamist extremists and is no more a revolution.
No wonder Syrians ignore calls for further anti-government demonstrations.

I guess that except for the armed rebels fighting for their survival, for most of Syrians the “revolution” is a tragic failure and has left the country weakened and with deep scars.

July 5th, 2013, 11:18 am

 

apple_mini said:

What the rebels are doing in Aleppo by strangling the civilians is their filthy strategy which they could not achieve militarily. The rebels have been using civilians as human shields by infiltrating into residential areas and setting up bases to attack SAA.

By denying food and fuel for 2 million Aleppens, the rebels are using those civilians as hostage, in the meantime, punishing them just being in the government held areas. Will it work? Of course not, there have been many dirty wars conducted that way in history, but in the end the war will always be determined by military strength.

Nevertheless, already prices on necessitates are soaring. It makes many residents who had been struggling to feed themselves and their families face more miserable conditions.

Will the west condemn this atrocity? Of course not. Remember ex-secretary of the state Albright once answered to a reporter that sanction against Iraq was necessary even it meant half million Iraqi children could die from starvation and lack of medicine.

July 5th, 2013, 11:23 am

 

zoo said:

UK’s change of tune: No military help for the Syrian rebels fighters but help to the Lebanese army to protect Lebanon from Syrians rebel fighters

Syria civil war: Britain increases military aid to Lebanon, to protect border

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/syria-civil-war-britain-increases-military-aid-to-lebanon-to-protect-border-8690929.html

General Sir David Richards cites ‘UK’s commitment to Lebanon’s stability, democracy and sovereignty’

Britain will send more support for the Lebanese military, to help protect the country’s border with Syria.

The aid will include transport, communications, protection and surveillance equipment, as well as relevant training.

“I have great respect for the professionalism and leadership of the Lebanese armed forces, who are playing a critical role in preserving the country’s hard-won peace in the face of the challenges presented by the conflict in Syria.”

It is not expected that there will be a vote by MPs on the support package. A minute setting out the details was laid in Parliament by the Foreign Office on June 27 and MPs have 14 sitting days in which to lodge an objection.

July 5th, 2013, 11:33 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Muhammad al-Yaqoubi @Shaykhabulhuda 3 Jul
من الحكمة أن يستقيل الرئيس مرسي وأن يقبل الاحتكام مجددا إلى صناديق الاقتراع.
It is wiser for Mursi to resign and accept a new election

Muhammad al-Yaqoubi @Shaykhabulhuda 19h
Morsism is a phenomenon that should be studied. How a democratically elected president failed his people and pushed them to remove him.

July 5th, 2013, 11:39 am

 

Ilya said:

Syria: SAA in Jobar & Al-Qaboun And Disturbing Discoveries
Syrian Arab Army (SAA) determined to cleanse the country from terror disease imposed on it by ‘humanitarian’ western powers, moves on in their task to eliminate the filth of the world’s filthiest filth airlifted from all sides of the world to spread ‘democracy’ and ‘freedom of speech’ in Syria with abundant amounts of money and resources that would have been more than enough to rescue entire countries like Greece & Italy from their miserable credit crises, but killing innocent people is more worth than helping others, remember ‘The price is worth it‘?
Units of SAA finished phase one of liberating Jobar, the suburb where terrorists were gathering before launching their numerous attacks against the Syrian capital Damascus from the east due to proximity to one of the Abbasid very important roundabout and entrance of the city. The following report by Al-Alam TV filmed from inside Jobar, the crew embedded with the SAA and their station was just taken off satellite air by ‘freedom of speech’ lovers in the US and the EU:

North to Jobar and inside the northern extension of Damascus connecting Barzeh & the main highway linking the Syrian capital with the entire north of Syria is Al-Qaboun neighborhood. SAA during its military operations in the area made very disturbing discoveries in what is called a ‘Sharia Court’, a literally torture chamber where interrogations, trial and sentences are carried out. Bodies of 12 civilians were found and passages and tunnels dug through buildings and underground. The future that was planned to Syria had the Syrian president fled the country and the army dismantled as the planners of this chapter of the ‘Arab Spring’ were hoping.

Jobar & Qaboun near Damascus
The following report by ANNA News translated to Arabic and then to English tours in the location and in the ‘Sharia Court’ of Nusra Front. Before watching, it’s worth reminding you that the western officials, their allies & regional stooges along with their propaganda machines like to distinguish between Nusra Front and the Free Syrian Army or FSA, but in fact, Nusra Front is the leading part of the terrorists working under the FSA which serves as the umbrella where all these Wahhabi Sex Cannibal Jihadists operate under, get financed and armed. US taxpayers alone contributed to these groups with more than $520 million in cash as US officials ‘bragged’ more than once.

Maybe now you understand why about 1.5 million Syrians chose to take refuge outside the country, around 4 million were displaced inside the country out of the 19 million left who decided to stay and defend their existence, their families and loved ones, their country, their heritage and their culture.
http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-jobar-qaboun-disturbing-discoveries/

July 5th, 2013, 11:47 am

 

Ziad said:

Al-Qaeda Vows to Rescue Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt

Now that the Muslim Brotherhood – the CIA’s “color revolution” proxy in Egypt – has been deposed, another CIA asset, al-Qaeda, has vowed to come to the rescue.

According to Arab-language website Veto Gate, “al-Qaeda, under the leadership of Muhammad Zawahiri, is currently planning reprisal operations by which to attack the army and the Morsi-opposition all around the Republic [of Egypt].”

July 5th, 2013, 12:10 pm

 

Ziad said:

Syria: Homs in front of the complete liberation from terrorism

The Syrian city of Homs is on the verge of complete liberation from terrorism. The Syrian army is currently moving forward from different sides into the remaining small residual area of the terrorist groups from the former terrorist stronghold in the northern center of the city of Homs.

According to reports by the Syrian media, the Syrian army has, among other things, taken over the control of the garden that is located directly in front of the Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque yesterday.

This is not only significant because the mosque is regarded as the headquarters of the terrorists in Homs. It is even more importantly, that this mosque is the only connection between the terrorist areas of the old town of Homs and the areas of the militants, which are located in the northern centre of the city.

http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-homs-complete-liberation-terrorism/

July 5th, 2013, 12:14 pm

 

revenire said:

Two million being held hostage by terrorists.

July 5th, 2013, 12:23 pm

 

Syrian Atheist Against Dictatorships said:

Take from this here atheist Uzair, Sheikh Ya3qubi should know better than to use the word “failed his people and pushed them to remove him”. Maybe the sheihk’s dislike (hatred?) for the MB made him forget that there are (tens of?) millions who still support Morsi, therefore to say that “the people removed him” as if all or the great majority of the people turned on him is clearly wrong.

Let me repeat that I never liked the MB nor would I ever support the mixing of religion with politics, but my quarrel is with the way the soldiers barged in and pushed their weight around and deposed a democratically elected president, with the rule of law also a victim that no one seems to bother about or care for.

I still think that Morsi should have been graceful enough to offer the people that opposed him a legal option to attempt to get their way by calling for a popular referendum asking whether he should step down or continue. That way he still had a 50-50 chance of coming out victorious, and if he’d lost he would have been remembered as a true patriot by all.

Now it is looking as if the MB are digging in and adopting a defiant attitude, maybe to force the cockerels in uniform to come down hard on them and start a violent conflict (as I sit typing this I am listening to the live coverage of their rally in Cairo and they are calling Sisi and co. all kinds of names, including ‘traitor’)…oh, dear!

July 5th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

revenire said:

Moscow: No civil war in Syria

Moscow, (SANA)_Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Friday there is no civil war in Syria, but rather an ongoing battle against “roving” international forces.

“It is more of a fight against forces that, one way or another, are roving between different kinds of conflicts within various states,” Shoigu said at the start of negotiations in Moscow with a Swedish military delegation led by Defense Minister Karin Enstrom.

http://sana.sy/eng/22/2013/07/05/490859.htm

July 5th, 2013, 12:30 pm

 

revenire said:

Lots of tears for Morsi at Syria Comment. Pretty funny.

July 5th, 2013, 12:31 pm

 

Syrian Atheist Against Dictatorships said:

Dear Moderator,
Something is wrong and my previous comment went through without the normal time offered for editing/removal. Strange.
This one is getting the normal 10-minute countdown though! Do you know what is going on?

July 5th, 2013, 12:32 pm

 

Tara said:

Watching the massive demonstrations in Egypt for Morsi. How many millions support him? The solution is to run a referendum asking voters to keep or impeach him so the Egyptians and the whole world know.

The Murshid of Ikwan is not in jail. He is leading the demonstrations and utilizing emotional Muslim prayors to affect (? Brainwash) the masses. He should ask for a referendum.

July 5th, 2013, 12:57 pm

 

don said:

Turkey police crack down on Syria aid workers

ANKARA (AFP) – The finger of blame which the Turkish government pointed at foreigners for orchestrating anti-government protests that rocked the country now appears to target foreign aid missions helping internally displaced Syrians.

Last week Turkish police raided offices of two humanitarian aid missions operating in war-torn Syria and deported four foreigners, witnesses said.

A source familiar with the humanitarian efforts in Syria gave an account of two separate cases in the city of Antakya near the border with Syria where police detained one Spanish, one German and two British aid workers and deported them after hours of interrogation.

“You’re aware of how difficult it is for humanitarians to operate in Syria, but we’re also coming under increasing pressure from the Turkish state,” the source told AFP on the phone.

“In one case last Wednesday an NGO staff member was forced off the road by unmarked police cars. Police caught him when he tried to run. His flat was searched. He was interrogated for hours and detained before being transferred to a counter-terrorism unit,” the source added.

The following day, 30 police officers raided another NGO office, which was in the process of registration, according to the source.

“The charges shifted from evasion of police to drugs and to the suspicion of fomenting unrest,” he said.

Several weeks of unrest, sparked by a local environment campaign to save a central Istanbul park from demolition, grew into nationwide protests against Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government, seen as increasingly authoritarian.

A defiant Erdogan has dismissed the protesters as “vandals” and “looters” and branded the turmoil a plot “hatched by traitors and their foreign accomplices.”

“Trumped up charges of spying, inciting Turkish people to join the Gezi park protests have been levelled at those NGOs,” he said.

“It seems that the Turkish authorities both in Antakya and and Ankara may have connived to cause the maximum inconvenience to foreign organisations and their staff including all-night questioning and interrogation and attempting to get signed statements under duress.”

He expressed concern that “humanitarian support for Syrian people has been put at risk” after Turkish authorities’ tough action against the aid missions.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/05/turkey-police-crack-down-on-syria-aid-workers/

July 5th, 2013, 1:02 pm

 

revenire said:

“Do you know what is going on?”

Allow me to tell you what is going on: There is a foreign conspiracy, led by the United States and the former colonial powers (with the help of the Zionist enemy), conducting war against Syria. This foreign conspiracy uses brainwashed, unemployed youth as soldiers (including children. They join Al-Qaeda/Nusra. There are no secular fighting forces aligned against Syria – all are extremists (like the Muslim Brotherhood barbarians – themselves longtime assets of the West).

Thus far, thanks to the heroic Syrian Arab Army and the personal leadership of President Assad, this conspiracy has been defeated.

Without direct military intervention of the West this conspiracy has no chance of prevailing against the Syrian people.

At present, two million civilians are being starved in Aleppo. We have not heard one single word from the West about these people. No UN proposals from the USA to send in emergency UN food.

In Homs, outside of small pockets, the government is in total control. There the West wants to intervene to save their terrorists (like in Qusayr).

That is what is going on.

PS – If the “revolution generation” (my new favorite term) didn’t dodge the question they would tell you that Syria has every right to defend itself, using the FULL FORCE of its army, against the foreign terrorists in Nusra and Al-Qaeda.

July 5th, 2013, 1:10 pm

 

Ziad said:

لو عدنا للقرآن الكريم والسنة النبوية وحياة الرسول الكريم بأخلاقه وإنسانيته، لما وجدنا سوى نقيض ما يقوم به التكفيريون الوهابيون.

Bashar Al Assad

July 5th, 2013, 1:18 pm

 

revenire said:

The heroes of the SAA are cleansing the cancer. Pray for the army. Soon Homs will be 100% free.

Al-Manar Camera Accompanies Syrian Army in Old Homs Operation
Somar Hatem

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=100609&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=20&s1=1

The Syrian Arab Army is advancing in Old Homs neighborhoods, and this is part of its plan drawn to regain the whole city and cleanse it from armed groups.

Al-Manar camera accompanied the Army in one of its advances, and shot live scenes from the battlefield.

July 5th, 2013, 1:30 pm

 

omen said:

updates:

#URGENT||#Toxic_Gas in Al-Khadyiah neighborhood

Thermobaric bombs on #Khalidiyeh burning everything! #Homs.

~~~

Friend stuck #6Oct bridge says Pro #Morsi ppl wearing helmets & a tense stand off is taking place at Abdel Moneim Riad Square. #Cairo #Egypt

Islamists attempting to storm into Luxor Orthodox Church. Security forces fire tear gas. #Egypt

July 5th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

revenire said:

Sarin gas? More lies.

Samer should find a white flag and start waving it. It’s all over.

July 5th, 2013, 1:59 pm

 

omen said:

politically incorrect to say, but i hate egypt right now for sucking up all the coverage, taking attention away from homs.

world leaders & oil plutocrats must be pleased.

July 5th, 2013, 2:07 pm

 

revenire said:

Omen is there a reason you want Al-Qaeda to control Homs?

July 5th, 2013, 2:17 pm

 

omen said:

565. zoo,

#Aleppo : Pro regime residents vent anger and frustration with worsening security and economic conditions:

http://www.alraddar.com/ar-sy/NewsView/7/11451/default.aspx

July 5th, 2013, 2:18 pm

 

Ziad said:

OMEN #584 said:

“world leaders & oil plutocrats must be pleased.”

Please explain why the fact that Homs is not getting the attention it deserves pleases world leaders and oilplutocrats.

July 5th, 2013, 2:20 pm

 

omen said:

565. zoo said: The opposition has totally lost its credibility among the people. Not only it did not protect them but it exposed the civilians to an extreme violence they couldn’t endure.

photo of how regime deploys indiscriminate shelling. there is no way to differentiate from anti, pro or neutral.

stop making excuses for regime. you wouldn’t be doing so if bashar were sunni. nothing justifies leveling entire cities.

No wonder Syrians ignore calls for further anti-government demonstrations.

not quite:

revolution is alive, as is the resistance: A Map of Non-Violent Activism in #Syria | Amnesty International

July 5th, 2013, 2:32 pm

 

omen said:

correction: not so random shelling. the non-sectarian regime is concentrating their fire power in attempt to kill off sunni centers of population.

July 5th, 2013, 2:38 pm

 

revenire said:

Omen lots of pretty colors in that “map” you shared but what is it supposed to prove to us? And what is this Twitter photo of artillery supposed to mean? It proves what?

I asked why you wanted Al-Qaeda to hold Homs hostage?

July 5th, 2013, 2:40 pm

 

revenire said:

Omen your Twitter feed is loaded with terrorists. I think you made a mistake showing that to me. Now I have you as a straight out supporter of cannibals and beheaders.

I honestly can’t believe some of you guys. Moaning about Assad all day long but supporting terrorism with straight face.

July 5th, 2013, 2:41 pm

 

revenire said:

Syrian Sapper ‏@razorfallin
#Breaking : the #SAA operations in Al khaldya #Homs have commenced .Terrorists’ Causalities are in hundreds .Via @RafiqLutf. #Syria

July 5th, 2013, 2:47 pm

 

omen said:

587. Ziad,

do a comment search. plug in my name + oil to pull up previous comments.

i might go over the topic again later on. (i tried to yesterday. kept being blocked.)

July 5th, 2013, 2:53 pm

 

omen said:

maybe i spoke too quickly. look, don is being helpful when whatshisface would never be:

219. don said:

Blog search feature was never disabled. Here’s the link:

https://www.joshualandis.com/blog/search-comments/

July 5th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

I’m glad Tara provided the article above regarding Abu Sakkar.

I was reflecting recently on this very topic and concluded that “cannibalism” is a misnomer for the act; I think the entire notion that we witnessed cannibalism is false. Regarding the video that brought this event to us, I saw no “cannibalism” in it. Cannibalism is the consumption of human flesh; I saw no flesh consumed. I did see a symbolic biting of flesh. I say “symbolic” because the biting was intended as a gesture of aggression, a statement to the enemy — basically a gruesome battle-cry, if you will.

This is not to justify the act; though not seeing cannibalism in the video, I did see mutilation and the “symbolic biting” which themselves were disgusting acts. But such acts shouldn’t be a surprise in war; war is evil and makes people sick and mentally ill.

Some referred to this act as the “single greatest atrocity of the Syrian conflict.” It was an awful act and had potent emotional force (of a destructive kind), and that motivated the labeling of it in such extreme proportions. But though it was sick, was the act of cutting and biting a corpse really worse than a bomb that kills a few families in a single instant? A suicide-bombing in a civilian area killing dozens of individuals? How is this worse than such regime & rebel-committed atrocities?

The mileage milked from this single event is staggering. Be they good people, bad people, or both, it’s disingenuous to characterize the Syrian rebels as “cannibals” because cannibalism hasn’t been a part of the uprising/war. We have only a single event which lends itself to the “phenomenon,” and even it wasn’t a true act of cannibalism. That this single instance has spawned a “cannibal corpus” of daily references to rebels as such is quite absurd. Referring to rebels as “cannibals” is to deliberately promote a dishonest discourse.

July 5th, 2013, 3:48 pm

 

don said:

Are we allowed to refer to them as “beheaders” and “whippers”?

597. Matthew Barber said:
Referring to rebels as “cannibals” is to deliberately promote a dishonest discourse.

July 5th, 2013, 3:55 pm

 

revenire said:

Your opinion Matt. You once posted Assad was living on a Russian ship and God knows where you came up with that one.

I consider your post a defense of cannibalism and other atrocities.

Here is the BBC:

“Face-to-face with Abu Sakkar, Syria’s ‘heart-eating cannibal'”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23190533

“Abu Sakkar picks up a bloody handful of something and declares: ‘We will eat your hearts and your livers you soldiers of Bashar the dog.'”

That isn’t me saying cannibals – the terrorist is threatening to EAT human flesh. The BBC, and other media, labeled it cannibalism.

He says “eat” and that is cannibalism unless we make up new dictionaries or dismiss the meaning of words.

You’ve never faced the question straight up: Does the Syrian government have the right to defend itself from Nusra and other Al-Qaeda terrorism.

You’re totally biased against the Syrian government Matt.

July 5th, 2013, 3:59 pm

 

revenire said:

Don Matt allows government supporters to be called “trolls” and “hyenas” all the time. If you can find him telling someone to stop it I will eat my own heart.

Cannibal is the right word. There are no rebels.

Referring to the government as a “regime” is to deliberately promote a dishonest discourse.

July 5th, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

revenire said:

“I say ‘symbolic’ because the biting was intended as a gesture of aggression, a statement to the enemy — basically a gruesome battle-cry, if you will.”

How in God’s name would you know his intention?

July 5th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Rev,

Your attacking the moderator is an indecent act and it bothers me. Please stop.

You’re a guest on SC so behave as such. That is called “decency”

If you do not like it here, please know this is “at will” site.

July 5th, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

revenire said:

Men are judged by words. Barber is a man.

Men who state something in public are expected to be able to defend their words. If they are not capable of defending themselves that isn’t my problem. I don’t bow down to men.

The world’s media called it cannibalism and that will stand. There will be no Ivory Tower whitewash of terrorist crimes.

July 5th, 2013, 4:17 pm

 

Tara said:

Matt,

Another symbolic biting of the flesh from Arab history.  This time done by a woman called Hind-bint-Utbah who bit on the heart ( or liver) of Hamza, prophet Muhammad’s uncle to avenge the death of her father and brother.  I too posted this not to justify the act.  But as you said, milking it is dishonest discourse.

The Meccans sent out a force to defend the caravans. The Meccans and the Muslims clashed at the Battle of Badr.  The Muslims defeated the Meccans and Hind’s father, brother and uncle were all slaughtered in that battle. Hind’s anger at the Muslims was of the greatest and most intense; she kept wailing publicly in the open desert and pouring dust over her face and her clothes, while lamenting her deceased relatives; and she did not stop not until her husband Abu Sufyan urged her to weep no more and promised her to avenge the death of her father and brother.

She is claimed to have been the one responsible for inciting Wahshy ibn Harb to murder Muhammad’s uncle Hamza ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib, who was claimed responsible for the death of her father and brother, and she offered Wahshi his freedom and her jewelry in return if he managed to murder Hamza and bring back his heart to her.
Wahshi eventually did so by hiding behind a tree and striking Hamza with a spear which left him dead; Wahshi then split open Hamza’s belly and took out his raw heart and brought it back to Hind as promised. Hind was claimed to have tasted the raw heart as a prominent sign of revenge, but was said to have not relished it and immediately spat it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_bint_Utbah

July 5th, 2013, 4:35 pm

 

revenire said:

Except this is what the cannibal said:

“Face-to-face with Abu Sakkar, Syria’s ‘heart-eating cannibal’”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23190533

“Abu Sakkar picks up a bloody handful of something and declares: ‘We will eat your hearts and your livers you soldiers of Bashar the dog.’”

That’s a quote. He isn’t a dog who bites someone but a human being (not what I would call him though – he is a ___) who threatened to eat Alawites.

It is ironic to watch people who claim to be supporting a revolution for freedom defending cannibals and beheaders.

You’ve painted yourselves into a corner.

July 5th, 2013, 4:38 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you left a little bit out:

“Her status as a Sahaba (companion of Muhammad) remains questioned because of actions she took against the Muslim community before her conversion, particularly an incident of alleged battlefield

cannibalism.

Hind is infamous in Islamic history for her exultation at the defeat of the Muslims at the Battle of Uhud when she ate the liver of Muhammad’s slain uncle Hamza ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib. Although she later converted to Islam, the founder of the Umayyad Caliphate was thus later slandered to be an illegitimate son of a

cannibal.

Even in the modern age, arguments continue to be raised about whether Hind bint ‘Utbah was a Sahaba or not because of her pre-Islamic actions.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_bint_Utbah

As far as “milking” it goes how many times have you waved Hamza’s dead body around (even when his father denied it)? Or massacres that are not massacres? Or called for SAA soldiers to die?

If anyone is “milking” it I say it is the so-called “revolution generation” of terrorist supporters.

July 5th, 2013, 4:44 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

Revenire,

Since when does the “world’s media” serve as your final word on things? Don’t you generally rail against them as they typically condemn the actions of the Syrian government?

The act should never be defended (it was terrible), but it should be understood for what it was. Like I said before, I saw no consumption of flesh in the video, therefore I can’t refer to it as an act of cannibalism. Forgive me for not quickly embracing the media’s mad rush to sensationalize a crime.

I do not “allow” people to call others hyenas on this forum. No one has called you a hyena in this entire thread, by the way. If you’re concerned about a general reference to “regime supporters” as “hyenas,” you might consider it comparable to your use of “terrorists” to refer to all who express a hint of oppositional sympathy.

Russian ship? Man, you really can’t stop mentioning that, can you? I lost count of the times you keep bring bringing it up. I envision you with a mesbaha in hand, counting off you recitations. Wait, I posted about a Russian ship? I sure don’t recall that. Care to explain when?

For the record, Revenire, I believe that all peoples, societies, and states have the right to defend themselves from terrorism, whether that terrorism comes from a non-state actor like al-Qaida/affiliates, or from a government, military or other state-run security apparatus.

July 5th, 2013, 4:47 pm

 

revenire said:

Why would I not bring up the Russian ship? If you believed that what else would you believe? It is indicative.

The Russian ship was a story – headlined – at SC. It was either you or Dr. Landis who posted it.

No doubt someone like Hassan Hassan provided this nugget.

Yes, this is one incident of a cannibal. Okay. Add it to the beheadings or what goes on now in Aleppo per witnesses like Ed Dark – surely no Assad man as I am. It is a mindset of barbarism and hate.

So is hyena okay? If it is why not rat? I am not trying to give you a hard time but what is the difference?

Terrorism is a suicide bombing / car bombing etc. not a government fighting what the US government themselves called terrorists – Nusra. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

July 5th, 2013, 4:53 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

“How in God’s name would you know his intention?”

The act was an act of communication. I have interpreted the act as I received its communicative content.

We could have a philosophical discussion about whether anyone’s intentions can ever be known, but I ultimately believe that communication can be meaningful…

July 5th, 2013, 4:54 pm

 

revenire said:

And thanks for finally responding on whether the Syrian government has a right to defend itself. I really do appreciate that and it took me months to get you to answer it. Thank you.

July 5th, 2013, 4:54 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

Revenire,

If you think that any of us approve of Nusra, then you must not have read any posts on SC this year.

Regarding the Russian ship, I have never mentioned it before, so maybe don’t allege that I have. Regarding the original posting, it was merely referencing a report that came out at the time, one that later proved to be false, as reports often do (such as seems to be the case with the beheading of priests who later may turn out not to be priests — we shall see).

July 5th, 2013, 4:59 pm

 

revenire said:

It struck me as rather absurd whomever posted it. Do you ever feel used by Nusra propagandists? (Not trying to be a jerk but if I am not mistaken your area is academia not intelligence analysis correct?)

Your own bias Matt is against the Syrian government yes? You feel it is a dictatorship and the “rebels” are just guys like the ones down at Soldier’s Field who were selling hot dogs minding their business one day and took up arms the next because they simply had to?

Dr. Landis in TIME magazine in 2006 said Syria was the victim of a US-led conspiracy (not a Tin Foil Hat one but a real one).

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00.html

Others detect another goal for the proposed policy. “Ever since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, which Syria opposed, the Bush Administration has been looking for ways to squeeze the government in Damascus,” notes Joshua Landis, a Syria expert who is co-director of the Center for Peace Studies at the University of Oklahoma. “Syria has appeared to be next on the Administration’s agenda to reform the greater Middle East.” Landis adds: “This is apparently an effort to gin up the Syrian opposition under the rubric of ‘democracy promotion’ and ‘election monitoring,’ but it’s really just an attempt to pressure the Syrian government” into doing what the U.S. wants. That would include blocking Syria’s border with Iraq so insurgents do not cross into Iraq to kill U.S. troops; ending funding of Hizballah and interference in Lebanese politics; and cooperating with the U.N. in the investigation of the assassination of Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri. Senior Syrian government officials are considered prime suspects in Hariri case.

Have you discussed the TIME magazine article with Dr. Landis? Is he misquoted?

The site is not a venue for philosophy so I will just have to insist when a man threatens to eat another denomination we can factually state that man is a cannibal. If I went out on Michigan Avenue and threatened to eat every Catholic that walks by because of the Thirty Years War I’d be sitting in jail or a lunatic asylum pretty fast but they’d be right in calling me a cannibal.

July 5th, 2013, 5:10 pm

 

apple_mini said:

While the west and mainstream media are defending the rebels, emphasizing atrocities done by the rebels are all single incidents, they even go extra efforts to tell us there are moderate rebels fighting for good cause and justice. The sensational cannibal rebel fighter was Not truly preforming what you thought you were seeing.

Yet, no single MSM bothers to use the same mentality and methods they have been using on the rebels to understand why after tens of thousands of SAA died in conflicts they are still holding high morale and discipline to fight this tough war.

Other than categorically calling them brutal regime army or force loyal to Assad, have the MSM or academic people done any professional reporting and analysis on them? Why did they open fire the first place, at whats scale? Are they just fighting machines or tools for the regime? Are all of them “brutal” as they were labelled?

Apparently, their stories won’t be told on MSM or by “reputable” academic because it won’t serve well the whole strategy.

July 5th, 2013, 5:12 pm

 

Citizen said:

Kerry’s Diplomacy Is a Joke, But Not a Funny One

American mediation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has become something of a joke.

Of course any amateur foreign affairs watcher will recognize the absurdity of Kerry’s timing: Syria is in the midst of civil war, Turkey in upheaval, and Egypt right this moment experiencing a second stage of a revolution. One wonders even whether the Israeli and Palestinian negotiators are fully focused on Israel-Palestine, when no one else in the region is. Because Palestinian negotiators know that when they go into the room as representatives of a people under occupation (Uri Avnery wrote the other day that Netanyahu could send troops into Ramallah to arrest Abbas anytime he felt like it) they need a united Arab world behind them for diplomatic and moral support. And the Arab world is in no condition to provide such support now.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/kerrys-diplomacy-is-a-joke-but-not-a-funny-one/
* * *
Arbitrator and player in the same time

July 5th, 2013, 5:12 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Matthew
You, Joshua, and many others could have pushed the break at the right mile-post. After all, you spent a lot of time exhaustively analyzing highly transient groups’ connections and genealogy, which in my opinion does not help anyone, but those obsessed with irrelevant details, gain an understanding of what is really happening. (I know, i also carry a rosary)

But i I do appreciate you putting your neck on the line to state what you have gathered. It takes courage. So on this one, good for you both for condemning the “symbolic act”, and for recognizing for what it is, a feeble, terrified and failing attempt to respond, in-kind, to the unparalleled, premeditated physical, verbal, and even linguistic and semantic brutality of assad and its hyenas.

July 5th, 2013, 5:13 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

LOL, rourou and mimi and cici need to calm down.

July 5th, 2013, 5:20 pm

 

Citizen said:

China state media blames Syria rebels for Xinjiang violence
/it is mistake ! they are absalutly US trained global jackals/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/01/us-china-xinjiang-idUSBRE96005I20130701

July 5th, 2013, 5:24 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

“…I will just have to insist when a man threatens to eat another denomination we can factually state that man is a cannibal. If I went out on Michigan Avenue and threatened to eat every Catholic that walks by because of the Thirty Years War I’d be sitting in jail or a lunatic asylum pretty fast but they’d be right in calling me a cannibal.”

Sorry Rev, but threatening to kill doesn’t make one a killer — killing does. If you threatened to eat some Catholics, you wouldn’t be a cannibal, but if you ingested some Catholic flesh, it’d be right to refer to you as such.

It’s not that complicated.

July 5th, 2013, 5:42 pm

 

Citizen said:

Wheels of high profile rubber (U.S. Standard)
http://youtu.be/TG7QoENKZrk?t=1m4s

July 5th, 2013, 5:45 pm

 

Citizen said:

@miketez
I’m an American who is sick and tired of my country’s support of Islamists in Syria and other parts of the world. Arab monarchies breed and support terrorists.

July 5th, 2013, 5:51 pm

 

Tara said:

I do not support Sabbagh.

Egypt’s shadow hangs over Syrian opposition
ISTANBUL | Fri Jul 5, 2013 1:30pm EDT

(Reuters) – Syria’s opposition hit deadlock on Friday in talks to elect a new leader, as the toppling of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood dealt a blow to its most influential faction.

The stalemate is preventing the main players in the Syrian National Coalition from reaching a deal acceptable to their Saudi and Qatari backers, who want to strengthen the opposition to counter an onslaught by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces in Syria’s civil war.

Sources in the Arab- and Western-backed coalition said the fate of an agreement hinges on the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, the only organized group in the opposition, which holds a balance of votes between a Saudi-backed and a Qatari-backed candidate.

“The atmosphere is subdued. The Brotherhood in Egypt, and by extension in Syria and elsewhere, took a blow, but even their opponents feel that the Middle East lost a historic opportunity to convince Islamists to embrace democracy,” a coalition official said in Istanbul, where the opposition is meeting.

Anas Ayrout, a leading cleric from the coastal city of Banias, said the Brotherhood in Syria now risks being a political has-been: “They have been antagonizing other Islamists and now they risk becoming an old card after having been defeated in Egypt.”

But he said Islamists were nevertheless in a stronger position in Syria because they dominate armed rebel ranks which would take power if Assad was toppled.

“Politics is a product of power on the ground. An Egyptian scenario is difficult to repeat in Syria,” Ayrout said.

The main contenders for the presidency are secretary general Mustafa Sabbagh, a businessman seen as Qatar’s pointman, and Ahmad Jarba, a tribal figure well connected with Saudi Arabia.

Both lack the majority votes needed to become leader of the 120-member coalition which has three power centers: the Brotherhood, the Sabbagh faction, and a Saudi-backed bloc that includes Jarba.

“The Brotherhood prefers Sabbagh but they are pragmatic and may not want to anger Saudi Arabia. They will probably throw the name of a compromise candidate in at the last minute,” a coalition insider said.

Names that emerged as possible compromises include Ahmed Tumeh al-Khader a veteran opposition figure from the eastern province of Deir al-Zor, and Burhan Ghalioun, a professor based in Paris.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/05/us-syria-crisis-opposition-idUSBRE9640S620130705

July 5th, 2013, 5:52 pm

 

Citizen said:

Congratulations to the US people on Independence Day! 🙂

July 5th, 2013, 5:56 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Thanks Homs activists. Keep us informed. We’ve all got a close eye on any potential chemical use.

Basma Atassi | بسمة @Basma_ 38m
Activists in #Homs say there is no evidence chemical weapons have been used there today. ُThey say incendiary shells that fell caused burns.

July 5th, 2013, 6:01 pm

 

Tara said:

Hehe

From the non-beheaded priest to the cannibal who is not a cannibal,to.., to…, the global conspiracy is debunked one element at a time.

July 5th, 2013, 6:01 pm

 

Ziad said:

Where did Matt acknowledge that the Syrian government has a right to defend itself? I can’t find it.

July 5th, 2013, 6:08 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

It was actually yesterday, Citizen, but today is Algerian independence day. Congratulations to them!

July 5th, 2013, 6:08 pm

 

Tara said:

“Homs will not fall”.  Inshaallah.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/05/uk-syria-crisis-idUKBRE9640NZ20130705

“The number of civilians currently trapped due to the heavy fighting in and around Homs is believed to be between 2,500 and 4,000 people,” chief spokesman Rupert Colville said.

….
But some rebels inside the city expressed confidence that rebel strongholds north of Homs would provide enough cover to prevent a total loss of control. That could mean months more of a bloody stalemate that has already levelled much of Homs, as well as other historic cities like northern Aleppo.

“We have been preparing for the regime to do this for months, and we have a plan ready when the time is right,” said one rebel inside Homs’s besieged Old City.

“Homs will not fall. Victory for either side right now though, that also seems unlikely.”

July 5th, 2013, 6:22 pm

 

revenire said:

Ziad @ #607 “For the record, Revenire, I believe that all peoples, societies, and states have the right to defend themselves from terrorism, whether that terrorism comes from a non-state actor like al-Qaida/affiliates, or from a government, military or other state-run security apparatus.”

Barber says “yeah, okay okay – you got me on that Rev” but then slips in the usual slap at the Syrian government.

Still it is something and I literally asked Matt maybe 20-30 times. I’ve even asked him via email when I asked why “hyena” was okay but “rat” wasn’t.

Maybe SC could have a list of banned words to make it easy for us? Or a banned animal list? Is “rodent” okay? Is it just Rodentia mammals that are bad? I am little confused.

Is calling for mass murder bad? If it is then Yaqoubi should be banned. He called for US to attack Syria and given Syria air defenses are more robust than either Libya or Iraq’s were I have to assume that more will die in any attack. Of course I am half-way joking but really not joking.

It isn’t so hard Matt. Fair is fair. If someone can call for a sovereign nation to be bombed by the US to bring freedom then why can’t the other side call for gassing the enemy or carpet bombing or whatever? Makes no sense.

July 5th, 2013, 6:26 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara no one refuted what Landis said in TIME about this war. I’d call his words prescient.

Anyone can rally a few people over the price of mazoot. It is easy.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1571751,00.html

Others detect another goal for the proposed policy. “Ever since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, which Syria opposed, the Bush Administration has been looking for ways to squeeze the government in Damascus,” notes Joshua Landis, a Syria expert who is co-director of the Center for Peace Studies at the University of Oklahoma. “Syria has appeared to be next on the Administration’s agenda to reform the greater Middle East.” Landis adds: “This is apparently an effort to gin up the Syrian opposition under the rubric of ‘democracy promotion’ and ‘election monitoring,’ but it’s really just an attempt to pressure the Syrian government” into doing what the U.S. wants. That would include blocking Syria’s border with Iraq so insurgents do not cross into Iraq to kill U.S. troops; ending funding of Hizballah and interference in Lebanese politics; and cooperating with the U.N. in the investigation of the assassination of Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri. Senior Syrian government officials are considered prime suspects in Hariri case.

July 5th, 2013, 6:32 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

TARA

That could mean months more of a bloody stalemate that has already levelled much of Homs, as well as other historic cities like northern Aleppo.

What leveled much of Homs and Aleppo, especially their historic part, is a coward called athad and its hyenas, aided by mouthpieces and propagandists, who did and continue to shriek
“الأسد أو نحرق البلد”.
Only them are the ones using scuds, incendiary bombs, chemical weapons, and have employed a mass-scale brutality, directly or through their proxies of thieves, rapists, and murderers released by the buffoon d-p athad to empty place for the defiant youth of syria to be tortured and murdered at the hand of the cowards with people like the pathetic fake syrians on this blog cheering the murderers and the torturers, and their enablers in iran, russia, and the sectarian thugs of nus-lira, as if this is an internet warcraft game.

The indignation of regime propagandists on this site is pathetic shriek for decency from a bully caught with its pants down.

July 5th, 2013, 6:44 pm

 

Ziad said:

Thankx Rev

Matt acknowledges the state’s right to defend itself against terrorism. But what about the state’s right to defend the country against foreign induced and supported insurrections?

July 5th, 2013, 6:49 pm

 

Tara said:

“Tara no one refuted what Landis said in TIME about this war. ”

This was 2006. Don’t rely on old POV too much. People change their mind.

July 5th, 2013, 6:51 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

It’s not about particular words, Rev; it’s about the overall character of one’s communication. Rather than treat you like a child by inventing a rule to cover every possibility, I’d hope you could exercise maturity to engage in thoughtful, considerate dialogue. I shouldn’t have to pull out a dictionary and mark all the words that users shouldn’t apply to each other.

And there was never any “yeah, okay okay – you got me on that;” I’ve always been unequivocally against terrorism, which I define as the use of violence against civilians for political gains, no matter who it comes from, and there’s no trouble in stating this condemnation. But it’s rare that I’m in the mood to respond to questions that I know will only lead to purposeless, dead-end arguments that edify little and resolve nothing.

Whether Syrians are being terrorized by the Syrian mukhabaraat (which they were for many years preceding the conflict — terror being a key tool of regime) or by suicide attacks from Salafi-jihadists, they should oppose terror and seek to protect themselves and others, as all human beings would do.

July 5th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

revenire said:

I don’t agree Syrians were being terrorized for one moment Matt but thank for admitting your bias against that government.

My list of banned animal words was a joke Matt. It was just showing you up and how you banned “rat” but allowed “hyena” etc. A paradox if you will.

The only way this war will be settled will be by military victory by one side or the other. I can not see a situation where the terrorists could secure military victory against the government.

July 5th, 2013, 7:04 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara yes, Landis could have changed his mind. No one knows. Nonetheless what he said happened and the US pressure has now taken the form of arming the enemies of Syria.

If you were a student of history and the region you would easily see what I am saying.

Not much has changed since 2006.

Do you honestly believe Landis was the only one who nailed it? Many have. Many, many, many have.

So-called “democracy revolutions” have been used to overthrow governments before. If the overwhelming majority of Syrians didn’t support Assad he’d have be gone. The SAA would have collapsed or staged a coup. The SAA are patriots first. You hate that about them and that is why you must dehumanize them by calling them hyenas.

You have a “thing” for Assad, and when he is gone, for me. 🙂

July 5th, 2013, 7:10 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

So let’s see what the regime propagandists are objecting to in the US policy toward d-p athad in 2006. From Landis’s own words quoted by shrieking, indignant, and very fake reeveee

. That would include
(a) blocking Syria’s border with Iraq so insurgents do not cross into Iraq to kill U.S. troops:
propagandists want to give d-p athad the right to carpet bomb the syrian people, but deny the US the right to use political pressure instead of weapons to protect our own soldiers, and countless Iraqis from the terrorist alqaida being trained then and financed by d-p athad and its minions in the various mukhabarat camps. Hypocrisy now has a new name, athad propagandists.

(b) ending funding of Hizballah and interference in Lebanese politics; Landis is wrong here, the funds of nus-lira and its assassins comes from Iran, d-p athad was merely the mule, which in drug smuggling longo is merely the carrier of durgs and other contrabands. However, on the second part, we now recognize that the propagandists for d-p athad and its hyena, some of whom are Lebanese, dislike for Lebanon to be independent and free from the thuggery of athad and nus-lira. How loyal?

and (c) cooperating with the U.N. in the investigation of the assassination of Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri. Senior Syrian government officials are considered prime suspects in Hariri case: of course the mafia “low ranking” or aspirants herein, would be terrified at the ability of the law enforcement to hold their don’s (or is it johns) to task for the murder of assassination.

July 5th, 2013, 7:43 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

so funny reading reeveee and zizeee talking about sovereignty and the right of state.

Only fools would believe hat thuria d-p athad was a thtate.

July 5th, 2013, 7:52 pm

 

Ziad said:

Syrian City of Raqqa Suffers
Under Rebel Rule

What is happening in Raqqa? It is worth bring attention to the governorate that is “ruled” by the opposition, since it is the first actual model of an alternative authority to the state. The opposition referred to here is not the Syrian Coalition or its “temporary” government, but the Free Syrian Army (FSA) brigades and the Religious Body to Support the Syrian Revolution.

Based on the reality on the ground, there is confusion on the part of the opposition, especially in the management of the agricultural, educational and service sectors. There is also a risk of defaulting on the payment of salaries for state employees, as well as news about a new dictatorship being exercised by the brigades in the name of Sharia. It also seems that reconstruction will remain pending until further notice.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/07/raqqa-syria-rebel-control.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

July 5th, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

Tara said:

You have a “thing” for Assad, and when he is gone, for me.

What thing?

July 5th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The first thing Adli mansour did was to dissolve the parliament, that was elected by the people, this is a crime,those are legislative branch and not executive branch, Mansour must be punished for that, the people elected them,the people did not elect him.
The whole constitutional court is made of corrupt people

July 5th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

revenire said:

Washington Islamist strategy in crisis as Morsi toppled

The swift action by Egypt’s military to arrest Mohamed Morsi and key leaders of his Muslim Brotherhood organization on July 3 marks a major setback for Washington’s “Arab Spring” strategy of using political Islam to spread chaos from China through Russia across the energy-rich Middle East.

The major defeat of the Brotherhood in Egypt will also have major shock waves in Turkey where the pro-Brotherhood AKP party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Mass protests have been brutally put down by Erdogan with police using tear gas and powerful water cannons. Erdogan had allowed Turkey to be used as a major staging ground to send mercenaries, financed largely by Qatar, into Syria to try to topple the government of Bashar al-Assad and replace him with a Muslim Brotherhood regime. Egypt’s Morsi shortly before his fall, called for a Jihad to topple Assad.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article179265.html

July 5th, 2013, 8:25 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The hypocrisy of Islamists here and elsewhere is screaming at us when those people ignore the fact that millions of Egyptians protested demanding the overthrow of the MB government. Western journalists called anti Morsi demonstrations the biggest in modern history, no western leader could have stayed in power if faced with similar protests. Morsi was given a chance to repent but he declined then he was asked to resign and he refused , the army had no choice but to listen to the people. I wish the Syrian army took a similar position two years ago, that could have ended the war, look who is using violence in Egypt now and you will know why Islamists are not fit to govern.

July 5th, 2013, 8:26 pm

 

Ziad said:

Venezuela’s Maduro offers asylum to U.S. fugitive Snowden

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/06/us-usa-security-venezuela-idUSBRE96500420130706

P.S. Are the US and EU going to start forcibly blocking every
plane they think has to do with the Venezuelan government?

Glenn Greenwald

July 5th, 2013, 8:47 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Rather than treat you like a child by inventing a rule to cover every possibility, I’d hope you could exercise maturity to engage in thoughtful, considerate dialogue.

Matthew,

Hello and welcome to the Syria Comment “playground” where a child is allowed to spam your pages with over 40 posts PER DAY, claim nothing in the Western press is accurate, admit to 100,000 dead in Syria ALL the responsibility of “terrorists”.

Try arguing with such a child, and, well, here we are. There are some really good, well meaning posters on this website, but the uncontrollable child is sucking Megabytes and more importantly, Mega man-hrs.

I suggest at least a boycott from the like-minded anti-Assad folk who brighten these dark web pages.

Just MHO.

AP

July 5th, 2013, 8:52 pm

 

Ziad said:

REV #641

I am getting to believe that the real US strategy is to drop the Islamists. I read Robert Fisks article in yesterday’s The Independent. He quotes Obama saying:

“Who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others…
You must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy.”

This indicates that the US is ready to throw the MB under the bus after feigning their support and using them for a short period. Pity those who sell their souls to the devil, offer their services to a hegemonial power and count on the permanence of its support.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/when-is-a-military-coup-not-a-military-coup-when-it-happens-in-egypt-apparently-8688000.html

July 5th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

Mick said:

#636

#1 U.S. urging Syria to close the border.

What a joke. You know the U.S. controlled the other side of this border? Right? What did the U.S. do to stop it? Other than kill a bunch of innocent civilians in Maqr Ad Dib during a wedding. The Syrian government was never friends with the Saudi/Libya fundamentalists that comprised the majority of this rat line. But given how dangerous they were, they sure as hell weren’t going to just do it under threats. If the U.S. was actually serious about stopping these extremists, they could have targeted the Saudi backers with the same pressure they put on Bashar. These Saudi backersw actually have money and influence against these guys. Bashar had conscripts with no training and weapons. He wasn’t going to get his people killed because no one in the U.S. has the balls to attack Saudi princes.

#2 Syria stop supporting Hizballah?

You do know that in the ’80s and ’90s, Syria fought with Hizballah. It wasn’t until Hizballah settled down and became more of a political entity than a mere killing organization for political goals that Syria began to deal with. Hizballah also despised the Syrian corruption in their occupation of Lebanon. Now that Syria is out of Lebanon, Hizballah doesn’t have to answer about the corrupt Syria and Lebanese politicians. The relationship is far different now and based on mutually beneficial policies. Something neoliberal pushing U.S./Western politicians would never understand. Look at the mess they did with Greece. I lived there. It has a lot of the same institutional problems Syria does, but before the Euro came, people could still afford to live. Now? Not so much. But bankers are happy.

#3 The Hariri investigation.

When the Mehlis report came out, it was obvious to anyone that knows the region the investigation was solely political. I laughed my buns off reading that. Of course that whole report has been trashed, but the People With UN Suits who are Very Important have now said Hizballah done did it. This time they are right!

No, things have not changed since 2006. The U.S. really really wants its puppets back in charge in Lebanon, they want Bashar gone, and they want the Shah back in Iran. They don’t care how they do it.

July 5th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Matt

“If you think that any of us approve of Nusra, then you must not have read any posts on SC this year.”

Who is ‘us’? Could you clarify?

If you are supporting and approving the FSA then you know that you are implicitly approving Al Nusra, as both are inextricably connected and the FSA would have ceased to exists a long time ago without the Al Nusra fighters.

The West is asking the FSA not only to cut the relation but to fight Al Nusra. If the FSA does that, that’s its end, and Selim Idriss knows it, this is why he never dares take a stand against Al Nusra, minimizing their contribution and considering them just like a irrelevant nuisance.

July 5th, 2013, 9:23 pm

 

zoo said:

Egyptians tasted the hors-d’oeuvre of Islamic ruling for a year and decided they’ll pass the main course. The Egyptian army put an end to the whole process.

In Raqqa and other rebels held areas controlled by Sharia and Islamic rule, the Syrians are tasting Freedom and Karama, Islamic style. How long can they bear that and which army will liberate them from this tyranny?

July 5th, 2013, 9:34 pm

 

Ghufran said:

مرسي أو نحرق البلد
http://t.co/S1wk79TOKd

July 5th, 2013, 9:39 pm

 

zoo said:

“Tough for Turkey to pursue its Syria policy”

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Gulf-Arabs-see-Egypt-as-ally-against-Iran-318766

“It is unacceptable for a government that has come to power through democratic elections to be toppled through illicit means and, even more, a military coup,” Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters in Istanbul.

The Turkish Hurriyet Daily News quoted Davutoglu calling for the release of Egyptian leaders.

The Turkish daily Today’s Zaman quoted Mehmet Sahim, a Turkish scholar, as saying that the coup “would definitely harm Turkey’s Middle East policies.”

He also said that Turkey’s ruling AK Party would “not be able to maintain the same close relations with the army as it did with Morsi.”

The report also quoted Yasar Yakis, a former Turkish foreign minister and the president of the Ankara-based Center for Strategic Communication, as stating, “The instability in Egypt will make it tough for Turkey to pursue its Syria policy.”

July 5th, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Opposition claimed that this unarmed man was shot dead by Egyptian Republican Guard:
http://t.co/XoM6Wz4Dsy

July 5th, 2013, 9:54 pm

 

zoo said:

A show of Karagoz in Turkey: Qatar’s puppets against Saudi Arabia’s puppets: no winner yet

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syrian-opposition-to-hold-runoff-vote-for-new-leader-318908

ISTANBUL- The Syrian opposition voted on Saturday to elect a new leader, but the top two candidates failed to gain a simple majority needed to become president of the coalition fighting to oust President Bashar Assad.

A runoff ballot was scheduled for later on Saturday after Ahmad Jarba, a tribal figure linked with Saudi Arabia, and Mustafa al-Sabbagh, a businessman who is Qatar’s point man, did not gain more than half of the votes in the 115 member Syrian National Coalition in an early morning ballot in Istanbul.

The coalition is split into three power centers: the Muslim Brotherhood, the Sabbagh faction, and a Saudi-backed bloc that includes Jarba.

July 5th, 2013, 10:02 pm

 

Mick said:

Rev,

You don’t understand Western academic principles.

See when you call someone that puts human flesh in their mouth a cannibal, you are just wrong.

But when the FSA lobs a mortar at some Alawites in Hims, and it happens to kills a French journalist… This was all Bashar’s fault. The French government said so. No great academic mind must be used. No splitting of hairs. No research. Bashar is bad. The West has spoken. Academia is only used to explain the enemy as the enemy.

July 5th, 2013, 10:35 pm

 

Ziad said:

Haykal’s interesting analysis

هيكل: جماعة “الإخوان” خاضت معركة وجود في مصر وخسرتها

وكشف هيكل عن محادثات مُستمرة جرت بين الرئيس الأميركي باراك أوباما وبين الرئيس المصري السابق محمد مرسي، فضلاً عن محادثات جمعت بين وزيري الدفاع في كلا البلدين أيضاً، طيلة الفترة الأخيرة لإيجاد حلول للأزمة السياسية في مصر.. قائلا: «الأميركيون كانوا يعتقدون أن الإخوان هم أفضل من يخدم أهدافهم، وكان في تصورهم أن التيار الديني هو المحرك الرئيسي للشعب المصري، وأن اللجوء إليه باستمرار هو الحل النهائي، كما كانوا يتصورون كذلك أن فكرة الإسلام السياسي هي أكثر فكرة تستطيع مقاومة “الوطنية”، من منطلق أن القوة لابد أن يكون لها وعاء».

وأشار هيكل إلى أنه منذ أحداث سبتمبر 2001 تولد لدى الإدارة الأميركية فكرة في مقاومة إسلام بإسلام، فبدؤوا يضربون دولا إسلامية، في وقتٍ بدؤوا فيه كذلك في رفع الفيتو أو القيود عن مشاركة الإسلاميين في الشرق الأوسط بالمشهد السياسي، وبالتالي دعمت أميركا إخوان مصر للوصول إلى السلطة، ويعتقدون أن ذلك جاء بطريقة ديمقراطية سليمة عبر صندوق الانتخابات.. قائلاً: «تحدثت مع المشير طنطاوي بشأن وصول الإخوان للحكم عبر الانتخابات، فقال لي: وماذا أفعل؟ هناك ملايين صوتوا لهم في الانتخابات».

وكشف الصحفي الكبير عن كون أحد الزعماء الأتراك قد أوضح له أنه ضمن محادثات «رفع الفيتو الأميركي عن مشاركة الإسلاميين بالسلطة في الشرق الأوسط تلقت الإدارة الأميركية إشارات من الإخوان أكدوا خلالها أنهم سوف يكونون أكثر «مباركية» من مبارك نفسه، ما يعني أنهم سوف يخدمون المصالح الأميركية».

وقال هيكل: إنه أمام هذه الوضع من الدعم الأميركي للإخوان، وأمام موقف راهن يؤكد أن كل مسؤول أو صانع قرار في مصر يأخذ في اعتباره الأميركيين وجملة من التحديات أبرزها المساعدات والمعونة، وأمام هذا الوضع الذي يأتي أي إطار في خارجه شبه مستحيل، جاء تحرك الشباب المصري في 30 يونيو، وجاءت حشود بطريقة غير مسبوقة في السياسة الإنسانية المعاصرة، رغم أننا شاهدنا حشوداً كبيرة في فرنسا وانجلترا، تفوقت عليها حشود الشباب المصري مؤخراً.. قائلاً: «حتى الإخوان والعالم الخارجي وحتى الولايات المتحدة والأتراك الذين كانوا يعتقدون أن القاعدة التصويتية للإخوان تتمركز في الريف والصعيد، انكسر ذلك الاعتقاد بالحشود الهائلة التي خرجت».

http://www.jpnews-sy.com/ar/news.php?id=59559

July 5th, 2013, 10:36 pm

 

Syrialover said:

TARA #621

You are so right not to support Mustafa Sabbagh in the coalition! No Syrian should.

He is a cheat and a determined and irrational wrecker, desperate for personal power, with no interest in working for the cause of Syrians. It’s been suggested that his behaviour inside the opposition has people wondering if he could be a regime plant or infiltrator.

The Reuters report is wrong to suggest he is a separate stream from the Muslim Brotherhood faction in the opposition.

Read this, dating from the Opposition’s meeting in Turkey in late May:

EXCERPT

“On Thursday the NC members, including Tayfour and the NC’s secretary general Mustafa Al Sabbagh, agreed to include some 32 new members into the coalition as part of the expansion. The new members would represent individuals and forces from outside the coalition, mainly Michel Kilo and allies.

But on Friday, Al Sabbagh came back and said that he and others refused the plan. They offered an alternative plan: 21 new seats will be added; seven for Michel Kilo and his allies, seven for representatives of “local councils”, and seven for the Muslim Brotherhood. That means the Muslim Brotherhood will effectively get two thirds of the new expansion plan. Not only does the MB want to reduce the number of new seats but it also wants to use the occasion to expand its influence further. How is that?

(THE NEXT BIT IS MIND BLOWING)

“Local councils” are already represented in the NC by Al Sabbagh, a Syrian businessman and Islamist backed by Qatar and MB. He was appointed as the Coalition’s Secretary General in November after he claimed that he and a group of men represented various areas in Syria. I wrote this before: “The appointment of Mustafa Sabbagh as the National Coalition’s secretary general came after he showed up in Doha, before the formation of the coalition in November, with 16 people he falsely claimed represented provincial councils across Syria. In fact many of them were his employees in Saudi Arabia, or his relatives.”

It gets better. Qatar, Turkey and MB are insisting that Al Sabbagh heads the NC. Syrians know who Al Sabbagh is and, if that happens, the move will be self-defeating – the point is to make the coalition more representative to help it to build credibility as the world consider options for solving the Syrian conflict. American, French and Gulf representatives are still trying to push the coalition to let go of Al Sabbagh and accept the expansion plan. The MB, Qatar and Turkey are digging in their heels.

The MB can insist on saving its influence within the coalition but one thing is clear: support for the Syrian opposition is on hold until the coalition is expanded. The core group of the Friends of Syria insists that the coalition must be expanded and representative if any help is to be provided or steps are to be taken.

(update shortly after the above)

Al Sabbagh is now the one digging in his heels and blocking the expansion of the National Coalition. He insists on representing one third of the new seats. He wants to remain the Coalition’s secretary general AND gets one third for any expansion according to this quota he set: one seat for any two new seats.

His insistence upset most of the attendants. When he was asked in front of the foreign ambassadors: “What is your priority? Especially that we are facing the challenges of Geneva 2. These demands will lead to the failure of the plan or even the fracture of the coalition which might consequently lead to Bashar Al Assad staying in power”. He answered with this (literally): “My conditions are more important and urgent”.

http://www.hhassan.com/2013/05/details-on-syrian-oppositions-talks-in.html

July 5th, 2013, 10:38 pm

 

don said:

Game Over – Syrian gov’t controls much of Homs

http://english.cntv.cn/program/newsupdate/20130706/100734.shtml

July 5th, 2013, 10:55 pm

 

don said:

FSA Rebel “Suicide Bomber” Vows to Attack The US and Europe

A new video has emerged of an FSA rebel would-be suicide bomber vowing to attack the US and Europe once he is finished in Syria, underscoring once again how the Obama administration is openly arming terrorists who hate America.

The clip shows an interview with a would-be suicide bomber who failed in carrying out his planned attack. After the man has recovered from his injuries he vows to return to fighting for the western-backed FSA in Syria before then traveling to Europe and America.

In addition to helping get “Sharia (law) established in all the countries,” the rebel promises to go on to Europe and America to carry on his jihad.

“He must go to America, to Europe, and it is (the) next step for him,” states the translator, adding that the rebel also wants to kill all Christians and Jews, as well as all non-Sunni Muslims, in pursuit of establishing Sharia law in Syria, while any who remain afterwards will be forced to pay a tax.

The would-be suicide bomber’s warped doctrine is by no means a minority view. We have documented innumerable examples where FSA rebels, whom the Obama administration is now officially supporting with heavy weaponry, have openly declared their allegiance with Al-Qaeda terrorists while committing a series of brutal atrocities.

– Immediately after the State Department declared Jabhat al-Nusra (the primary fighting force in Syria attempting to topple Assad) a terrorist organization, 29 different FSA rebel outfits pledged allegiance to the Al-Qaeda group, which previously killed U.S. troops in Iraq.

July 5th, 2013, 11:03 pm

 

Syrialover said:

TARA

There is the suggestion that Burhan Ghalioun, a former head of the SNC, is also now a candidate to head the opposition coalition.

Ghalioun comes across as a transparent, sane and honest player who is open in his thinking. In strong contrast to the shadowy MB game players and their ally Mustafa Sabbagh.

If you want to know his thinking, see his twitter account with links to his facebook blog (in Arabic): https://twitter.com/ghaliounn

I’d also recommend it to anyone else looking for well informed and thoughtful commentary on the Syrian situation.

July 5th, 2013, 11:09 pm

 

Mick said:

Rev,

I’d also like to see a scholarly study of all the times the evil government armed with machine guns confronted an innocent protest and opened fire with wanton abandon and killed … one … maybe two.

Don’t see a lot of academia explaining the stupidity of that.

But by God you accuse someone with human flesh in their mouth of cannibalism…

July 5th, 2013, 11:17 pm

 

don said:

FSA Rebel: ‘We Won’t Stop Until Al-Qaeda Flag Raised Over White House’

“We started our holy war here and won’t finish until this (Jihadis Banner) will be raised on top of the White House”

July 5th, 2013, 11:23 pm

 

Ghufran said:

A sample of the responses Ghalioun received on his twitter page :

Noor Manhal كان على المعارضة ان توقف ثورتها عندما لم يحدث حظر جوي . وحاليا عليها ان تكون صريحة مع الشعب وجريئة وتعترف بأخطائها الكثيرة و فشلها في التوحد وخذلان العالم لها وان السوريين ليس لهم الا دولتهم وان جارت عليهم فوضع المعارضة عسكريا وسياسيا صععب جدا و ان استمرار المقاومة العسكرية لن يقدم غير المزيد من الضحايا والدمار والانقسامات
Like · Reply · 1 · June 27 at 2:20pm

Tareq Benziad يتوجب على المعارضة رغم تشتتها وتمزقها أن تدرك الواقع المزري لأهل سورية لايتطلب الذهاب والجلوس للتبزوظ …
لتفهم المعارضة ،وإن كان أملي ضعيف في شملهم ، أن وقت الضحك والمزاح والفنادق قد إنتهى.
إن كانت المعارضة جدية وصارمة في حضورها ل جنيف 2 ،عليها أولاَ،…See More
Like · Reply · 2 · June 27 at 1:09pm

Mohamad Ali Khayat كلام جميل بس خليكم على كلامكم
Like · Reply · 1 · June 27 at 12:43pm
( I happen to prefer Ghalioun over the MB clowns, his failure to win support in two years speak volume about the nature of the SNC then the NC )
Another joke is waiting for a republican to take the rebels side, where does our brilliant surgeon get his info from?
More:
Rima Eichouh استاذ غليون ضاعت سوريا واللي ضيعها هم الطغمة التي تريد السلطة، المعارضة الاخوانية ساهمت في وصول الموت الى قطع الرؤوس و أوصلت الناس الى التمتع بعمليات الذبح و كأن ذلك احد مهرجانات التسلية! سقطت المعارضة اكثر من النظام من يوم ما قالت نعم لجبهة النصرة!
Like · Reply · 2 · June 27 at 12:42pm

هل توافق على توجه الائتلاف إلى مؤتمر جنيف للتفاوض على رحيل النظام

نعم – 33.8%
نعم لكن بشروط – 33.8%
لا – 29.1%
لست متأكد – 3.4%
Are those guys serious?
You either negotiate with your enemy to save what can be saved or you force your enemy to surrender. This business of inviting the regime to ” negotiate” it departure is a form of black comedy.

July 5th, 2013, 11:32 pm

 

don said:

Syrian Rebels We are all with Osama Bin Laden

A Syrian rebel group’s pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda’s replacement for Osama bin Laden suggests that the terrorist group’s influence is not waning and that it may take a greater role in the Western-backed fight to topple Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The pledge of allegiance by Syrian Jabhat al Nusra Front chief Abou Mohamad al-Joulani to al-Qaeda leader Sheik Ayman al-Zawahri was coupled with an announcement by the al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq, the Islamic State of Iraq, that it would work with al Nusra as well.

July 5th, 2013, 11:35 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

There is no need to have election in Egypt anymore, it is street democracy,(Baltajeh), three elections held in Egypt, ,and then unelected man came and disolved the parliament and the elected president and everything the people chose.
Next coup will be in few months and will remove Adli Mansour, but next time a military officer will become president.,and Assad will say democracy in the Arab world is dead, as he said Political Islam is dead.
Things will continue like this till Obama goes and a republican president comes to power.

July 5th, 2013, 11:35 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#664 MAJEDKHALDOUN,

I think you are being a bit quick dismissing all hope for Egyptians. Talk to some, you may get a different perspective.

And I’m not sure what Obama has to do with it.

The positive approach is to accept what’s happening there as part of an important and necessary evolutionary process in the 21st century Arab world. Going forward, not backward.

July 5th, 2013, 11:49 pm

 

don said:

Mr. Landis

Mr. Barber lost his neutrality, and needs to step down as a moderator.

I nominate MICK for SC moderator.

July 5th, 2013, 11:52 pm

 

Ilya said:

Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi ‏@Shaykhabulhuda 1h
News leaked that Hezbollah prepared a special squad around Homs to attack mosque of Khaled Ibn al-Walid and take his body to Iran in revenge
Retweeted by omen
yikes what is this guy Yaqoubi ysmoking?

July 5th, 2013, 11:55 pm

 

don said:

‘Not Your Colony’: Bolivia Threatens Shutdown of US Embassy
South American leaders flank the Bolivian President as he rails against US air piracy in manhunt for Snowden

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/05?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

July 6th, 2013, 12:14 am

 

don said:

“Friday Of Rage”
30 Egyptians killed, 450 injured during ‘Friday of rage’
Anarchy took over the streets of Cairo as a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood told supporters to fight on in the wake of a military coup that ousted President Mohammed Morsi and the swearing in of Interim President Adly Mansour.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/dead-egyptian-troops-open-fire-pro-morsi-protesters-article-1.1390948

July 6th, 2013, 12:28 am

 

don said:

UN doesn’t approve statement urging Syria to allow access to civilians in Homs

Austria and Luxembourg circulated a draft press statement earlier this week expressing “grave concern” at the plight of the trapped civilians and calling for Syria to allow “immediate, safe and unhindered access” to Homs for U.N. and other humanitarian workers so they could assist civilians in need, especially those requiring medical treatment.

Russia’s U.N. Mission said it proposed an alternative statement which called for immediate access to Homs as well as the predominantly Shiite government-controlled towns of Nubul and Zahra, which the opposition fighters are seeking to take.

U.N. diplomats said supporters of the original statement insisted on focusing on Homs, a strategic central city of about 1 million located on the road between the capital Damascus and regime strongholds on the Mediterranean coast, and refused to equate the scale of the attack there with fighting in the two small villages.

Russia rejected compromise language proposed by the original statement’s supporters which called for immediate access “to reach civilians in Homs and all areas of ongoing hostilities,” the diplomats said, speaking on condition of anonymity because negotiations were private.

In an email to The Associated Press, Russia’s U.N. Mission expressed regret that its “factual proposals … have been completely ignored” and said the compromise text was “even more imbalanced” than the original and was “based on double standards.”

Russia said its proposal used language previously agreed by the Security Council and focused “on the most critical events of the current moment.”

It noted that the combined population of Nubul and Zahra was about 40,000 before the crisis started “and that these towns have been tightly besieged for a long time.”

It also pointed to a statement from Syria’s Foreign Ministry saying the government has requested the International Committee of the Red Cross and the Syrian Arab Red Crescent “to send a humanitarian convoy to the civilians trapped in the old city of Homs and held by terrorist groups there as a human shield,” adding that this was a usual opposition practice.

“The Syrian government has also requested that those civilians be evacuated through safe passages,” the mission said.

http://globalnews.ca/news/696770/un-doesnt-approve-statement-urging-syria-to-allow-access-to-civilians-in-homs/

July 6th, 2013, 12:38 am

 

Ilya said:

Hundreds of British troops are being prepared to deploy to North Africa to tackle al Qaeda-inspired extremists.

Under secret plans being drawn up urgently by top brass, UK soldiers would be sent ‘within months’ to the region to help train the Libyan army.
Political and military chiefs have acted amid mounting fears that Libya is rapidly becoming a safe haven for Islamist fanatics after Coloner Gadaffi was toppled in October 2011.

Under secret plans being drawn up urgently by top brass, UK soldiers would be sent ‘within months’ to the region to help train the Libyan army
But critics have raised concerns that Britain could suffer ‘mission creep’ and be sucked into another bloody war just as fighting in Afghanistan – which has cost 444 UK lives – is drawing to a close.
Military officers warned the proposed deployment would risk ‘overstretch’ as it takes place when the MoD is axing nearly 5,000 soldiers this year, controversially reducing the size of the Army from 102,000 to 82,000.

More…
Anarchy in Egypt: Dutch reporter is ‘raped in Tahrir Square’ as Egypt’s army issues 48 hour deadline for clashes to be resolved
‘Every dollar counts’: Saudi royal with £12bn fortune caught in legal battle over airliner sold to Gaddafi tells judge how he still knows value of money
One officer, who has served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, said: ‘The war in Afghanistan has not yet ended and already the government has committed the Army to another foreign operation.
‘Libya is a highly unstable country which is awash with weapons and has been infiltrated by al-Qaeda.
‘Thousands of British soldiers have just been made redundant and morale is at an all time low and there is a real possibility of mission creep in Libya – the timing of this operation could not have been worse.’

There are mounting fears that Libya is rapidly becoming a safe haven for Islamist fanatics after Coloner Gadaffi was toppled in October 2011
Britain has already sent some 50 troops to West Africa to train the Malian Army which is battling an Islamist insurgency.
Defence chiefs have ordered 4 Infantry Brigade, based in Catterick, North Yorkshire, to begin preparing for the Libyan mission.
Prime Minister David Cameron is deeply concerned that Libyan could quickly become a failed state and a haven for al-Qaeda sympathisers.
More than 2,000 Libyan infantrymen would be given lessons in basic soldiering skills to prevent militants securing a foothold in the war-ravaged country.
A senior defence source said: ‘It is yet to be confirmed where the training will takes place.
‘It is a possibility that this could happen in Libya although the security situation could prevent this.
‘The training could take place in a third country or it could take place in the Uk but that would create significant problems.’
Britain will form part of an international task force whose aim will be to help bring stability to the country.
UK troops will help train the Army on how to secure its huge borders and prevent the flow of illegal arms shipments to terrorist groups around the world.
Up to 3,000 surface-to-air missiles have gone missing in Libya since the conflict – and spy chiefs say the state has become the ‘Tesco’ of the world’s illegal arms trade.
More than one million tonnes of weapons belonging to Colonel Gaddafi were looted from arms dumps after the dictator was toppled in October 2011.
MI6 agents fear large numbers of weapons have been smuggled out of Libya to groups linked to Al Qaeda.

Prime Minister David Cameron, pictured at Camp Bastion, is deeply concerned that Libyan could quickly become a failed state and a haven for al-Qaeda sympathisers
The Libyan government remains in a precarious position, with large parts of the army dominated by local militias.
A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: ‘We need to help Libya secure its future. ‘As the Prime Minister said at the G8 conference, some countries have already offered to train more than 7,000 troops to help the Libyan government improve the stability of the country.
‘As part of this, the UK has offered to train up to 2,000 Libyan Armed Forces personnel in basic infantry skills.
‘This is part of a package of defence and security assistance to the Libyan government and the UK’s 4 Infantry Brigade has been identified to carry out this training which will be paid for by the Libyans.
‘Detailed planning is ongoing, including consideration of where this training will take place.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353215/Hundreds-British-soldiers-deploy-Libya-months-train-army-battle-Al-Qaeda-extremists.html#ixzz2YEl21Z1x
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July 6th, 2013, 12:39 am

 

Syrialover said:

That’s interesting.

Mustafa Sabbagh has some supporters in the phantom voters here (I got 5 instant negatives for criticizing him in #656. And the same instant negative multi-vote for praising Burhan Ghalioun in a following post).

This can only add meaning to the conspiracy theory that Sabbagh’s an Assad camp plant in the Syrian opposition.

July 6th, 2013, 12:42 am

 

revenire said:

660. MICK said:

Rev,

I’d also like to see a scholarly study of all the times the evil government armed with machine guns confronted an innocent protest and opened fire with wanton abandon and killed … one … maybe two.

Don’t see a lot of academia explaining the stupidity of that.

But by God you accuse someone with human flesh in their mouth of cannibalism…

===

Absolutely.

I can’t believe he actually lectured me on what a cannibal is and isn’t.

The odd father-like tone telling me not to be “childish” about animal names was also a bit strange.

Only on the Internet.

Zoo was quite right in saying if a person supports the FSA they support Nusra. I’d add if they support the “revolution” in any way – a sympathizer – they support Nusra. I don’t care if the person doing so denies it to me. People lie.

Everyone here who has a shred of sympathy for this fake revolution of murderers and criminal terrorists supports Nusra.

The Western media has created a fiction surrounding this war. Academia aids in maintaining that fiction. That fiction is harder and harder to maintain given the atrocities the terrorists commit. This FSA leader – this cannibal – really has hurt their cause. Putin ridiculed and shamed Cameron over it.

They are so freaked out at being exposed they demand a watering down of the English language and suggest if you call a spade a spade that is against some sort of artificial rule.

Most of the posters here are from the USA. I’d wager money none are actually in Syria or recently been to Syria.

They talk like Americans and even recite op-eds from things like CNN etc. They have no connection to Syria.

I doubt any of them consider the number of Syrian civilian deaths that would result if the US attacks Syria with cruise missiles.

All they can do is repeat “regime regime” “Assad Assad” endlessly like parrots.

July 6th, 2013, 1:23 am

 

don said:

Explosions Rock Ammunition Depots in Syria
Explosions rocked several army ammunition depots in Latakia, possibly after they were targeted with rockets.

Syrian officials did not officially comment on the incident, but Israel’s Channel 10 News reported that a website affiliated with the Syrian rebels blamed Israel for it.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/169624

July 6th, 2013, 1:34 am

 

don said:

Military & Defense More: Military Defense Syria Libya CIA
REPORT: The US Is Openly Sending Heavy Weapons From Libya To Syrian Rebels

The Obama administration has decided to launch a covert operation to send heavy weapons to Syrian rebels, Christina Lamb of The Sunday Times of London reports.

Diplomatic sources told the Sunday Times that the U.S. “bought weapons from the stockpiles of Libya’s former dictator Muammar Gaddafi.”

The heavy arms include mortars, rocket propelled grenades, anti-tank missiles and the controversial anti-aircraft heat-seeking SA-7 missiles, which are integral to countering Bashar Al-Assad’s bombing campaign.

Many have suspected that the US was already involved in sending heavy arms.

The administration has said that the previously hidden CIA operation in Benghazi involved finding, repurchasing and destroying heavy weaponry looted from Libyan government arsenals, but in October we reported evidence indicating that U.S. agents — particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens — were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.

There have been several possible SA-7 spottings in Syria dating as far back as early summer 2012, and there are indications that at least some of Gaddafi’s 20,000 portable heat-seeking missiles were shipped before now.

On Sept. 6 a Libyan ship carrying 400 tons of weapons for Syrian rebels docked in southern Turkey. The ship’s captain was “a Libyan from Benghazi” who worked for the new Libyan government. The man who organized that shipment, Tripoli Military Council head Abdelhakim Belhadj, worked directly with Stevens during the Libyan revolution.

Stevens’ last meeting on Sept. 11 was with Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi “to negotiate a weapons transfer in an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists.”

Last month The Wall Street Journal reported that the State Department presence in Benghazi “provided diplomatic cover” for the now-exposed CIA annex. It follows that the “weapons transfer” that Stevens negotiated may have involved sending heavy weapons recovered by the CIA to the revolutionaries in Syria.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-admin-admits-to-covertly-sending-heavy-weapons-to-syrian-rebels-2012-12

July 6th, 2013, 2:00 am

 

don said:

Russia urges UNSC probe of Libya arms shipment to militants in Syria

Russia has called on the United Nation Security Council (UNSC) to probe reports that massive arms stockpiled by former Libyan dictator Muammar al-Gaddafi are making their way to foreign-sponsored militants in Syria.

“Russia applied to the UNSC Committee overseeing sanctions against Libya asking to initiate an investigation of the information (about the alleged arms supply to the Syrian opposition from Libya)…,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday.

“If this information is correct, it means a severe violation of international embargo imposed on Libya,” the statement added.

On June 21, the New York Times reported that the evidence collected in Syria together with flight-control data and interviews with militia members, smugglers, militants, analysts and officials in several countries attest to the fact that a great deal of effort, spearheaded and financed by Qatar, is underway to transport arms from Libya to Syrian anti-government gunmen.

The report further noted that Qatari C-17 cargo planes have landed at least three times in Libya this year, including flights from Mitiga International Airport in Tripoli on January 15 and February 1 as well as another that departed Benghazi on April 16.

The aircraft would pick up a shipment of weapons each time. The munitions were then taken to the Turkish-Syrian border, and passed onto the Syrian militants.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/05/312400/russia-urges-probe-of-libya-arms-in-syria/

July 6th, 2013, 2:06 am

 

Citizen said:

Dear Mr. Putin!
Russia and China are greats and they used the right of veto in the UN Security Council three times against foreign intervention in Syria! However, the external aggression is still repeated! And can be repeated on this case! A lot of things depends on your disposal! Must establish international rules or will be the law of the jungle!

July 6th, 2013, 3:04 am

 

Citizen said:

Russia’s Defense Minister: what happens in Syria is not a civil war but a struggle against destructive forces.
http://breakingnews.sy/en/breakingnews/6895.html

July 6th, 2013, 3:24 am

 

Citizen said:

So-called “Friends of Syria” are their worst enemies. They’re a rogue’s gallery of scoundrels. They’re complicit with Washington’s imperium. They violate core international law principles.

They’re no friends of peace, stability and freedom. Umbrella group members America, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE, and Qatar met in Doha.

They agreed on “secret” escalating measures. They hope to tip the military balance. They’re desperate to counter Assad’s impressive victories. He’s routing insurgents convincingly. They’re no match against Syria’s military strength.

Qatar Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani said “force may be the only way to enforce righteousness and supplying weapons to the opposition may be the only way to reach peace in Syria.”

Western-sponsored death squads terrorized Syrians since conflict began. Al Thani urges escalated violence. Most Syrian enemies agree.

They’re responsible for mass killing and destruction. They’re in lockstep with Washington’s imperial plans. They want much more barbarity than already.

They want Syria entirely ravaged and destroyed. They risk cross-border violence threatening their own governments.

Stephen Lendman June 24, 2013

July 6th, 2013, 3:57 am

 

Citizen said:

A clear sign that Egypt is entering into civil war (by US-Israeli tools ) :
Egyptian soldier killed in rocket & machine gun attacks

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/75773.aspx

July 6th, 2013, 4:07 am

 

Citizen said:

For all Arabs and Muslims must study ! Sit and study ! Study more and moretime!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf
“The plan Inon – Israel is a strategic plan aimed at achieving regional superiority of the Israeli state. The plan dictates the strategy, according to which Israel should “reset” its geopolitical environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states, turning them into smaller, weaker states. ”

For Israeli strategists Iraq was a real challenge. That’s why he was regarded as a central element of the strategy Balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab world. Based on the concepts in terms of Inon, Israeli strategists have begun to work on the division of Iraq into three separate states: the state of Kurds and two Arab states, one – for the Shiites, the second – for the Sunnis. The first step in this process was the war between Iraq and Iran, which is also discussed in terms of Inon……

To create a “Greater Israel” must split the existing Arab states into smaller states.

“The basic premise of the plan are: to survive, Israel, first of all, must secure influence in the region and, second, to crushing throughout the region into smaller states, territories by the withdrawal of the existing Arab states. The statehood of the newly formed countries will rest on ethnic or religious component. Zionists expect that in the end such States will actively support Israel, justifying its moral right to expand. The idea of ​​splitting the Arab states into smaller ones is not new and is not the first time sounds in the strategic discourse of Zionism. ”

Thus, the war in Syria is part of the territorial expansion of Israel. Israeli intelligence along with her best friends from the U.S., Turkey and NATO directly sponsoring the activities of mercenaries from Al-Caida in Syria.

In addition Zionist project in the Middle East also means the destabilization of the political situation in Egypt, by sharpening the contradictions between the parties in the parliament of Egypt (which actually needed the “Arab Spring”). Ultimately, this should lead to a similarity in Egypt sectarian state under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood

July 6th, 2013, 4:47 am

 

Citizen said:

For the U.S. Congress no less clearly outlined that deadline, the achievement of which would have to really go into the water and swim by China, if you do not take extraordinary measures.
The Arab Spring, whether it is taken to its logical ending, was on the one hand, strike China’s presence in North Africa (and this task with varying degrees of success solves France), on the other hand, the elimination of all secular projects in the region and create a single leader of the Sunni world – Saudi Arabia, which is inevitable in the short time since winning it engaged in a battle with Shiite Iran. The Third World in the light-version could solve two problems of principle – warring Saudi Arabia and its allies would be forced to expend their financial resources for the purchase of arms, rapidly zeroing out the debts of the West and pulling it out (especially the U.S.) from the recession and crisis. In fact, the repetition of the story of both world wars, in which England became a world superpower and the lender, and they came out of the world by the debtor, having lost territory. Formally remained the winner.
China under these conditions would have been forced on the one hand, to divert resources to help Iran in it unnecessary war. Distract it from the challenges set by the 18th Congress. They are grandiose – one task of resettlement of 400 million people from the countryside to the city and to provide them with full-time jobs in its scope not only not solved, but also not put anyone ever. On the other hand, Iran, instead of selling their resources the same China, will be forced to spend it on the war. That too seriously complicate the situation in China.
The Arab Spring, apparently, not just stalled, and finally runs out of steam. With very unpleasant consequences for designers. States seems to have come to this conclusion, or at least begin to consider this possibility in all seriousness.
So start preparing for a different scenario for the same problem. However, the scenario is much more rigid and less manageable – though it is on the shoulder. In the case of the final collapse of the Arab Spring (and it can be legally recorded just international conference on Syria) in its place comes inevitably Shiite Spring – Iran will be required to enjoy the moment and return the monarchies of their warm greetings.
Creating spaces for the sole hegemon in the Middle East will enable the project to reincarnate the Third Reich, when the world against the evil in the face of Hitler rallied the entire civilized world. In this case, the spearhead of the civilized world is again Europe. The financial side of the issue will be addressed in a different way, but in general, in the same vein. U.S. debt to burn – and this scenario is no less promising. China again would be indirectly involved in the war, and again in the unfavorable conditions.
Russia, in both cases does not remain on the sidelines – Iran is no friend. But not the enemy. Therefore, Russia should motivate. The remaining Misfits gang Salafis as belching Arab Spring, just might come in handy. They were sent to us, making it impossible for Russia to defend their interests in the outbreak of a regional war. At the same time, Iran is vitally interested in the collapse of bandits and terrorists – otherwise it will be his headache. In such circumstances, Iran is US enemy – and behind him, and China. Brzezinski’s idea of an alliance of Russia and the West will find quite distinct contours.
That is why the established structure in which that Arab, Shiite spring that much in the interest of the United States, is a cause for admiration intelligence and subtlety of American policy planners. They are unlikely to imagine in detail the evolving situation today. However, the way they knew how to play the probabilities – causes envy. They have energy, but for peaceful purposes…

July 6th, 2013, 5:24 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

what hogwash

July 6th, 2013, 7:48 am

 

zoo said:

Syrian troops seize buildings in rebel-held parts of strategic city of Homs

By Diaa Hadid, The Associated Press July 6, 2013 6:10 AM

BEIRUT – Syrian troops have advanced into rebel-held areas of the city of Homs, occupying buildings after pummeling the area with artillery that drove out opposition fighters, an activist said Saturday.

The push into Khaldiyeh district was the first significant gain for troops loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad, who have been waging an eight-day campaign to seize parts of the central Syrian city in rebel hands for over a year.

Tariq Badrakhan, an activist based in the neighbourhood, said government troops used rockets, mortars and cannon fire to flush out the area’s “first line of defences” on Friday evening. The offensive continued Saturday morning, he said via Skype, as explosions were heard in the background.

“We feel like they are shaking the sky,” Badrakhan said.

Another activist said eight rebels were killed in the fighting. He requested anonymity because rebels have accused him in the past of damaging their morale by reporting their casualties.

July 6th, 2013, 7:51 am

 

zoo said:

As the FSA and its terrorists allies is being crushed in Homs, for the Gang of 11 the hopes of the emergence of a military power in Syria under Selim Idriss leadership are collapsing.

The Gang’s attention goes back to the NC they pressed to finally elected a “president”.
It is clear to all Syrians that the NC election is just a competition between Qatar’s candidate Al Sabbagh an Saudi Arabia candidate, Jabra. Syria is absent.

Who ever is elected, the ‘Sole representative of the Syrian people’ has zero legitimacy among the Syrians.
There is no word about PM Hitto and the ghost “government” moving to Aazaz.

July 6th, 2013, 8:05 am

 

zoo said:

Russia offers a more extensive ‘humanitarian’ proposal with no agreement reached: Civilians in Homs are “held by terrorist groups there as a human shield.”

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=59909

Russia said it has proposed an alternative statement which called for immediate access to Homs and the towns of Nubul and Zahra, Shiite Muslim enclaves near the commercial city of Aleppo.

The Russian statement said civilians should be allowed to leave all of the towns.

“We regret that our factual proposals on the draft press statement introduced by Australia and Luxembourg have been completely ignored,” a Russian spokesman said.

“More than that, the text circulated yesterday has become even more imbalanced. It is based on double standards and has little to do with humanitarian issues.”

Russia also highlighted a Syrian government call to the International Committee of the Red Cross to help evacuate civilians from Homs.

The spokesman said the civilians in Homs are “held by terrorist groups there as a human shield.”

He added that armed opposition groups “are openly threatening Nubul’s and Zahra’s populations with carnage.”

July 6th, 2013, 8:12 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

All quiet on Dar’aa front…

July 6th, 2013, 8:15 am

 

revenire said:

You know, in my entire time here at Syria Comment I’ve never seen one article posted in the main section that gives the government side of this war.

Not one.

July 6th, 2013, 8:17 am

 

zoo said:

Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç is concerned that such coup happen in Turkey.
He, Erdogan and Davuyoglu haven’t they yet understood that what Turkey thinks and says about the Arab countries is just hot air with zero impact.

Support to Morsi

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/deputy-pm-slams-opposition-for-insincere-egypt-coup-criticism.aspx?pageID=238&nID=50155&NewsCatID=338

Arınç also gave his full support to the deposed Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, calling for his release. “We are in solidarity with Morsi and the Egyptian people. We are in solidarity with everyone who is helpless in facing the boots of the coup-stagers,” Arınç said, criticizing countries that have not called his ouster a coup.

He also urged Egyptians not to fight, warning them of a plot. “There may be people who want you to enter fights. Undo these plots. Be assured that democracy is strong enough to undo them all,” Arınç said.

Turkey has voiced the strongest criticism after Morsi’s ouster on July 3. Erdoğan argued yesterday that there was no such thing as a “democratic coup” and slammed Western countries for their reaction.

July 6th, 2013, 8:24 am

 

Citizen said:

الاخوان يطلقون الرصاص على بعضهم ويتهمون الجيش فى القتل
http://youtu.be/AdFk-v-4G0o?t=7s
هذا ليس هراء ! هذا قتل الفتنة !

July 6th, 2013, 8:25 am

 

zoo said:

Reve

It is very hard to admit to have made fantasy analysis and wrong predictions but it will come, the tide is turning.
Efforts at finding new scapegoat are going on now.

July 6th, 2013, 8:28 am

 

Citizen said:

هراء؟
Killing Coptic priest in Al Arish is intended to translate the conflict in Egypt in a bloody sectarian phase. Old blank made ​​even to Lebanon as part of the deployment of full-scale war against Syria and Iran. Today in the land of the pyramids, there are 30 dead and 1,000 wounded.

July 6th, 2013, 8:28 am

 

revenire said:

I am still shaking my head that someone would spend hours defending cannibalism.

July 6th, 2013, 8:33 am

 

zoo said:

In Egypt Moslem Brotherhood leaders offered exile.
In this eventuality, Qatar and Turkey will probably refuse. Will pro-MB Tunisia take them?

“The battle is in the offing and the Muslim Brotherhood leaders are now negotiating a deal by which they would be offered a safe exit — out of Egypt with no legal persecution,” said a highly informed source.

According to identical official and Muslim Brotherhood accounts, this is out of the question. “It will not happen and the Muslim Brotherhood leadership knows it, and this is why they started negotiating an exit,” said an official soruce.

According to a Muslim Brotherhood source, “We know that Morsi is not coming back and this is something that we know how and when to avenge.”

The realisation by the Muslim Brotherhood leadership of the termination of their period in office came as Washington, a strong ally that tried to defend Morsi’s presidency, decided to give up on the Muslim Brotherhood when it declined to qualify the ouster of Morsi is a “coup.” A statement by US Congress’s Committee on the Foreign Affairs qualified Wednesday’s events as “a popular impeachment,” thereby protecting US aid to Egypt against internal review.

July 6th, 2013, 8:38 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The street politics is a dangerous politics,Egyptians are more likely to take to the street if their life are made harsher, it is already very bad,unemployment is high,GDP is low and deteriorating, Egypt economy depends on foreign aid, Qatar gave 3 billion,Libya 2 billion,Turkey one billion, this six billions will most likey dry up,to obtain IML the goverment has to increase tax and cut subsidy,Egyptian life will be harsher, and more street demonstrations will be expected in the future.
Obama did not increase aid to Egypt,and now will be restrained further, his foreign policy in the ME is total failure

July 6th, 2013, 8:42 am

 

Tara said:

The priest was not beheaded. The regime released a video that turned out to be a hoax when analyzed scientifically by human right watch. The regime did so to intimidate Christians. This has been the regime tactic from day one. To make it sound like it is a camaign against the Islamists monsters when it is the revolution of the people against a tyranny.

Taking a bite of the enemy’s heart is not cannibalism. It is an act of revenge against children killers. The regime milked the word and usurped the act to achieve political gain by promoting dishonest and deceiving discourse. Batta is the arch-terrorist and fighting terrorism is legal and is human right too
—–

July 6th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

revenire said:

“We will eat your hearts and your livers you soldiers of Bashar the dog.” Abu Shakkar

Hard to say that isn’t cannibalism.

July 6th, 2013, 8:59 am

 

revenire said:

No Christians support the sort of filth that makes up the “revolution generation” in Syria.

People are not stupid.

July 6th, 2013, 9:01 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

Who cares about Qatar’s string attached billions?
Who cares about Turkey’s promised investments?

If the new government is a able to restore security by sending the MB leaders either back to prison or to exile, investments will flow from Saudi Arabia, the USA, Germany, China, Russia and even Iran, the same way they flew when Mobarak was in power.

Whatever harsh life may be for Egyptians, at least for a while the blame can be put in the MB mismanagement.

July 6th, 2013, 9:02 am

 

revenire said:

All the FSA does is behead people. Animals.

Syrian rebels use child in beheading unarmed prisoners in Homs

July 6th, 2013, 9:04 am

 

revenire said:

The “revolution generation” brings freedom to Syria (at least they didn’t eat them).

Islamist rebels beheading 3 Syrians

July 6th, 2013, 9:07 am

 

revenire said:

The women get a break from the animals. They don’t get their heads chopped off but get merciful bullets. Maybe someone can do a few hours defending this trash today? Spend like three hours arguing with me about how they didn’t really mean to behead anyone or better yet say it is all Assad’s fault. When all else fails blame Assad.

Syrian opposition execute three civilians near Aleppo

Published on Jun 19, 2013
A video has emerged of a group of opposition fighters in Syria beheading a man and shooting two women near the city of Aleppo. It’s thought they were executed for committing “heresy”.

July 6th, 2013, 9:09 am

 

zoo said:

Left wing Egyptian politician hitting at Turkey : Those who called Mursi’s removal this week a military coup were insulting the Egyptian people. He recommends Al Baradei as a transitional PM

Egypt’s Sabbahi backs military role, sees short transition

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/75830/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Sabbahi-backs-military-role,-sees-short-tra.aspx

Egypt’s leading left-wing politician endorsed military intervention to oust elected Islamist President Mohamed Mursi and said he expected a short transition to a new democratic president and parliament.

Hamdeen Sabahi, leader of the Popular Current movement, who came third in last year’s presidential election, said the army had implemented the will of the people and was not seeking power for itself.

“This action has led to a reconciliation between the people and the army after a long time of estrangement,” he told Reuters in an interview on Friday as pro- and anti-Mursi demonstrators clashed in central Cairo.

Those who called Mursi’s removal this week a military coup were insulting the Egyptian people, who had turned out in their millions to demand his ouster, Sabahi said.

He called for former U.N. nuclear watchdog Mohamed ElBaradei, a prominent liberal politician, to be appointed prime minister for an interim period he hoped would not last longer than six months until an amended constitution was in place.

July 6th, 2013, 9:09 am

 

revenire said:

I remember when these clowns would claim Assad was bombing bakeries. Like any government would bomb people standing in line to get food.

The FSA stooges are all liars.

They will say anything.

July 6th, 2013, 9:10 am

 

Tara said:

SL

Ghalioun is an academician not a politician. He is perhaps a better candidate than the other 3 but his track record in leadership was not good. He lacks the charisma and failed to unite the people. May be, it is his age? I do not know. We need intelligence, energy and charisma. Someone who magically connects with rebels on the ground and with activists. Someone shroud enough to outsmart foreign players yet keep their support. Someone who can lead Russia and Iran to believe that their interests will be maintained in the new Syria. Someone who can convince the US that he is vehemently anti-Nusra and willing to make conditional peace. Someone who does not stupidly alienate any party. Someone who can play on all directions…

Ghalioun shot himself in the foot during his very first interview.

July 6th, 2013, 9:13 am

 

zoo said:

Bully Turkey is trying to fight for its Moslem Brotherhood “brother” Morsy by intervening in Egypt’s internal affairs as it did in Syria .
Erdogan will soon get a message from Egypt similar to the message Bashar Al Assad gave to Turkey: Mind your own business.

‘First step in Egypt is to include Morsi in politics,’ Davutoğlu says, revealing intense diplomacy

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/first-step-in-egypt-is-to-include-morsi-in-politics-davutoglu-says-revealing-intense-diplomacy-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=50153&NewsCatID=338

July 6th, 2013, 9:17 am

 

revenire said:

I wonder if these people could name one leader of this revolution for us.

July 6th, 2013, 9:24 am

 

revenire said:

Think that the dictator Erdogan lost a lot when he lost Morsi.

July 6th, 2013, 9:26 am

 

zoo said:

#705 Tara

The opposition is pathetic. In two years, they have not found one men or woman with the 1/100th of Bashar’s leadership and charisma.
They are like a bunch or caricature puppets of a Karagoz show: The MB blue beard, the Qatari businessman, the Saudi unknown, the wild preacher, the french teacher, the christian bull, the sophisticated Parisian etc…

The trouble is that the show is not even funny, it is deadly

July 6th, 2013, 9:32 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

Why not being honest when it comes to Bashar too? He has nothing to do with charisma. Even in the Iranian, HA, or Russian press, I have yet to read that someone calls him charismatic. You are the solo person on planet earth who call him as such.

July 6th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

zoo said:

Turkey is getting increasingly isolated from the Arab World.

As he is loosing influence and business opportunities in the Arab world, Erdogan will have no choice than to shift back to his relation with Israel and the E.U to sustain his economy.
With Israel, Turkey have been “negotiating” for months the ‘financial’ compensation to the Mavi Marmara victims without reaching any result: Is Israel too stingy or Turkey too greedy?
With the EU, Turkey is having hard time accepting the human rights conditions imposed on it.
Internally unrest is growing..
Erdogan is paying dearly the consequences of his adventure in Syria.

July 6th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

zoo said:

#710 Tara

A leader whose country is attacked by very powerful and rich foreign countries and who is able to stay cool, never beg, never insult anyone, and who is able to have millions of Syrians fighting under his command to protect the country must be charismatic.

I don’t care what the press says, for me it is an evidence. It is even re-enforced when I see Sabra, Idriss or any of these pathetic wannabees in their arrogance and their constant whining, preaching, insulting, begging and threatening. They are a shame for Syrians.

July 6th, 2013, 9:51 am

 

revenire said:

I feel Assad exudes charisma. When he speaks I feel soothed and excited. I was touched when he talked about how his own family has been affected by the war against Syria. He is a cool customer and a very natty dresser.

On the other hand, the entire opposition is like watching paint dry. Boring. Dull. Angry looking. Sullen. And, many of them look like they are constipated.

July 6th, 2013, 10:04 am

 
 

zoo said:

Internals clashes, beheading, flogging, have the pro-opposition Syrians in the rebels area tasted enough of that to look forward for a return to normality?

Rebels clash with Qaeda-linked opposition group in Syria
Source: Reuters – Sat, 6 Jul 2013 01:17 PM
http://www.trust.org/item/20130706131733-5cmvo/?source=search

* Rebels clash with opposition al Qaeda fighters

* Infighting comes as Assad forces make gains

* Islamists said to have beheaded rivals

By Erika Solomon

BEIRUT, July 6 (Reuters) – Rebels clashed with an opposition unit linked to al Qaeda in northern Syria, activists said on Saturday, in a deadly battle that signals growing divisions among rebel groups and rising tensions between locals and more radical Islamist faction

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), the new al Qaeda franchise announced by the head of global network’s Iraq leader, has been quickly working to cement power in rebel-held territories of northern Syria in recent months.

ISIS units have begun to impose stricter interpretations of Islamic law and have filmed themselves executing members of rival rebel groups whom they accuse of corruption, and beheading those they say are loyal to Assad.

Syria’s two-year revolt against four decades of Assad family rule has degenerated from a peaceful protest movement into a bloody civil war that has killed more than 100,000 people.

As fighting drags on and resources grow scarce, infighting has increased both among opposition groups and militias loyal to Assad, leaving civilians trapped in increasingly volatile and fragmented areas.

The latest internecine clashes happened in the town of al-Dana, near the Turkish border, on Friday, local activists said. The opposition group known as the Free Youths of Idlib said dozens of fighters were killed, wounded or imprisoned.

A report from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an opposition monitoring group, said that the bodies of a commander and his brother, from the local Islam Battalion, were found beheaded. Local activists working for the British-based group said the men’s heads were found next to a trash bin in a main square.

The exact reason for the clashes have been hard to pin down, but many rebel groups have been chafing at ISIS’s rise in power. It has subsumed the once dominant Nusra Front, a more localised group of al Qaeda-linked fighters that had resisted calls by foreign radicals to expand its scope beyond the Syrian revolt to a more regional Islamist mission.

July 6th, 2013, 10:10 am

 

Ziad said:

TARA #704 said:

“Someone who can lead Russia and Iran to believe that their interests will be maintained in the new Syria. Someone who can convince the US that he is vehemently anti-Nusra and willing to make conditional peace.”

I could send you a one way ticket to Istambul.

July 6th, 2013, 10:17 am

 

zoo said:

saudi Arabia wins, what about Syria?.

AMMAN: The main Syrian opposition National Coalition on Saturday elected Ahmad Jarba as president after a close runoff vote held in Istanbul, coalition members told Reuters.

Jarba is a tribal figure from the eastern Hasaka province who is well linked with Saudi Arabia. He defeated businessman Mustafa Sabbagh, Qatar’s pointman in the opposition.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Jul-06/222782-syrian-opposition-national-coalition-elects-president-member.ashx#ixzz2YH7AsacH
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

July 6th, 2013, 10:19 am

 

revenire said:

“I could send you a one way ticket to Istambul.”

I will kick in 20 bucks.

July 6th, 2013, 10:20 am

 

Tara said:

Ziad and Istambul?

I think Irritated is more charismatic than any running candidates (including Zoo’s stud). Lots of Irritated’s thoughts and expressions being parroted by different players on SC. Why is Ziad copying irritated calling Istanbul “Istambul”

July 6th, 2013, 10:29 am

 

revenire said:

Air Force Intelligence issued all of us special keyboards. That’s why.

PS – Who is Irritated? Is that Jad? I am not really in the loop on all the SC gossip.

July 6th, 2013, 10:32 am

 

zoo said:

Tara

Even World Weather is copying Ziad and Irritated

Istambul Weather, Turkey

http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Istambul-weather/Istanbul/TR.aspx

July 6th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

Who is Jabra?

Whoever he is, better than Sabbagh, the MB candidate.

If the US is coordinating with KSA then the US is in favor of Jabra. Would that speed up the delivery of quality weapons?

I hope that Jabra starts off not alienating other parties and gets a crash course in political correctness. May be it is better that he has no history so it can’t be taken against him.

July 6th, 2013, 10:37 am

 

Ziad said:

Until 2011 Assad was awkward and geeky when gave speeches. However as of late he has changed significantly. He looks self-confident, controlled, and relaxed and gives well authored and rehearsed interviews in perfect standard Arabic or English. His argumentation is direct and on message. He never utters a word in anger and never belittles his foes. I suspect he is getting a good PR counseling. Many of his statements became article headlines. That is charisma.

July 6th, 2013, 10:39 am

 

Alan said:

Dear Americans!
The truth become your enemy! and future generations will pay a very heavy price with their freedom for that, because when the truth is your enemy you know and the world knows that you are going to loose! it is just a matter of when !!!

July 6th, 2013, 10:43 am

 

revenire said:

They’re really taking a pounding in Homs.

July 6th, 2013, 10:44 am

 

Tara said:

Zoo@ 720

See! When someone is really charismatic, even the world weather copies him.

July 6th, 2013, 10:44 am

 

Alan said:

Kuwait politicians support greater trade ties with Israel

Kuwaiti parliament members Nabil Al-Fadhl and Hammad Al-Dosari expressed support for greater trade ties with Israel and the importing of Israeli products in a recent interview on Kuwait TV.

If Kuwait needs equipment that Israel can provide, Kuwait should take steps to obtain such equipment from the Jewish state, Fadhl said last month. “I will love the Israelis for it,” he said, according to the Jerusalem Post.

“How exactly did the Muslims benefit us, when our Arab neighbor [Iraq] invaded our country? I am willing to buy equipment from Israel to protect my country from its Arab and Muslim neighbor,” Fahdl added.

Dosari said that Shari’a law does allow Muslims to have dealings with Jews because the prophet Muhammad “died while his shield was mortgaged with a Jew.”
http://www.jspace.com/news/articles/kuwait-politicians-support-greater-trade-ties-with-israel/14576?utm_content=bufferd14cf&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

July 6th, 2013, 10:50 am

 

Alan said:

Obama Moves To Protect The Muslim Brotherhood

As you can imagine, President Barack Hussein Obama has been quick off the mark to defend his pet Islamists in the Muslim Brotherhood.

Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said July 4 in a statement that the White House has called on Egyptian leaders to pursue “a transparent political process that is inclusive of all parties and groups,” including “avoiding any arbitrary arrests of Mursi and his supporters” .

What exactly are they supposed to do with agitators like Morsi and Badie? Free them and allow them to incite further attacks like the ones of this morning?

And of course, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki weighed in,saying in a statement, “The voices of all who are protesting peacefully must be heard—including those who welcomed the events of earlier this week and those who supported President Morsi.”

When Morsi’s hired thugs were attacking protestors and raping demonstrators in Tahrir Square, did our State department utter a peep?

When the Brotherhood took over, the main opposition candidate Shaffik had to flee for his life and he was by no means the only one. And believe me, there was no call for “avoiding any arbitrary arrests” from the Obama Administration then. And when the Brotherhood was
brutalizing Coptic Christians and it’s political opponents, we likewise heard nothing except how much financial aid we were going to give them:

The administration has urged the Egyptian military to stop using heavy-handed tactics, according to two U.S. officials who asked not to be identified commenting on private communications. They said the administration is concerned that some in the military may want to provoke the Islamists to violence and provide a rationale for crushing the movement once and for all.

Yes, if the genocidal Muslim Brotherhood were to be crushed, that would be such a tragedy, wouldn’t it? It certainly would in Washington DC, where the Obama Administration is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood supporters and sympathizers.

Speaking of money, the president is citing a law as an excuse to cut off the $1.5 billion in aid to Egypt that bars the U.S. from giving “any assistance to the government of any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by a military coup d’etat or decree,” or a coup “in which the military plays a decisive role.”

If my sources are correct, he’s also going to do his best now to torpedo the $4.8 million IMF loan Egypt was on the verge of getting.

Yet niceties like lawfully elected governemnts or even material aid to terrorism never stopped him from giving money to Hamas,or to the Palestinian Authority, where where unelected dictator Mahmoud Abbas, whose term of office ran out four years ago refused to seat the Muslim Brotherhood parliament that was elected at that time.

And the Obama Administration has even gone to the extent of ignoring congressional holds when it comes to the Islamists, even when they burn our embassies.

But all of a sudden, this most lawless of president in insisting on observing the letter of the law!

Apparently the president still inhales the fiction that an Islamist Caliphate is still good for America somehow. He tried and failed to muscle the Egyptian military into knuckling under to an Islamist government even though the popular will wanted them deposed and the country was falling apart…..
http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/07/obama-moves-to-protect-muslim.html

July 6th, 2013, 10:55 am

 

zoo said:

#722 Tara

Saudis are less vicious than Qataris and more submissive to USA directives as their own security is dependent on the USA.

Saudi Arabia has three big fear in the region: The Moslem Brotherhood, Al Qaeda and Iran. Contrary to the others, Bashar al Assad is not threatening Saudi Arabia’s stability and can be tamed.
Saudi Arabia want some entities in Syria who can contain these. Their strategy seems the following.
1- They are arming the FSA not to topple Bashar Al Assad but to crush AlQaeda rebels in Syria. I am not surprised if they are not also funding the SAA for the same purpose.

2.They will try to transform the NC into a political party by bringing in Alawites, Kurds and more Christians. The hope is to eliminate the MB and the Al Qaeda agents from the majority. Yet they know that the NC will remain a political party in a future Syria but will never have the power in Syria.

3- In the meantime, they are secretly negotiating an arrangement with Bashar al Assad under the auspices of the USA:
a) Bashar will stay if he agrees to contain Iranian religious influence in exchange for massive reconstruction funds
b) Bashar will have to agree to restart a peace deal with Israel.
c)Saudi Arabia will commit to bring the opposition party to Geneva to work out a new political deal for Syria.

That’s my analysis for what it is worth.

July 6th, 2013, 11:06 am

 

apple_mini said:

As everyone has seen enough, the so-called meeting of the opposition is nothing about the opposition but a negotiation and re-drawing power and influence among those FOS. what a hoax for the claim of representing voice of Syrians by the opposition! What a freak show!

Assad got it right: we will go to Geneva II for talk with those international “sponsors”.

July 6th, 2013, 11:33 am

 

Ziad said:

If They Can Lie About NSA/Snowden, They Can Lie About Syria and Iran

In March, something happened in Congress that all Americans who love the rule of law need to hold in our teeth.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?”

To which Clapper responded, “No, sir … Not wittingly.”

In light of what National Security Agency (NSA) whistleblower Edward Snowden has revealed about the NSA’s domestic data-gathering, Clapper has now admitted that his answer in Senate testimony was “untruthful” – what ordinary people call a “lie.”

Lying to Congress in testimony is, literally, a crime – it’s a violation of federal law. Raise your hand if you think that Clapper is going to serve any time in federal prison for lying to Congress.

Regardless of what one thinks about Clapper as an individual human being, if government officials can lie to Congress without consequence, we’re in big trouble in terms of democracy and the rule of law, especially as these apply to the reform of US foreign policy. If senior government officials can lie to Congress about the NSA’s domestic surveillance of millions of Americans without consequence, what can’t they lie to Congress about?

There’s a culture in much of Washington that believes that