"Where is the Truth in Conflicting Reports? Not in the Middle but at the Extremes," by a Foreigner in Syria - Syria Comment

“Where is the Truth in Conflicting Reports? Not in the Middle but at the Extremes,” by a Foreigner in Syria

“Where is the Truth? Not in the Middle but at the Extremes,”
by a Foreigner in Syria (who has lived, studied and traveled there for years.)
For Syria Comment
June 20 2011

The stories people are hearing from their friends and family certainly give cause to question the narrative being carried by the international media.

Cartoon in Jamahir Newspaper June 12, 2001, Sent by author
“Eye Witness to al-Jazeera: ‘By God, my dear brother, they have cut off water, electricity, medicine, and milk for the kids. Oh God, help us.'”

Two sources I consider very trustworthy have related similar stories about the insecurity of the main highway south just outside of Aleppo, before the army reasserted control last week: the younger brother of a colleague who was on his way home to Aleppo on a two-day furlough from his mandatory army service received a bullet in the foot when his civilian bus was forced to stop at a impromptu nighttime checkpoint which local vigilantes had set up using farm machinery near Khan Shaykhun. The army was able to rescue them but two soldiers on the bus who were still in uniform were apparently killed.

And just before that, a group of Palestinians from the Nayrab camp who were returning from the Nakba Day march on the Golan border with the bodies of two fallen comrades were stopped by locals on the highway at Maarrat al-Nu’man. (The Nakba demonstration had been carefully planned by local organizing committees precisely with a view to avoiding casualties and was thus not merely the result of the PFLP-GC manipulating Palestinian youth, but that’s another issue…) The vigilantes demanded the caskets to be opened, then checked the names of the victims against a list of known martyrs, and finally told the Palestinians that they would allow them to proceed only because they knew they were not involved in the Syrian uprising—had these been the bodies of fallen Syrian army soldiers or security forces they would have chopped them up on the spot.

Incidents like this do occur—and are the work of pro-regime shabiha irregulars who will not hesitate to sacrifice the one or other army conscript or policeman to illustrate that the regime is under siege by armed groups, as an equally trustworthy friend has assured me. Where is the truth in all this? Probably not somewhere “in the middle” as one might think but everywhere at once, at the extremes. The regime is shooting at unarmed demonstrators with tanks and helicopters and making a mockery of its own promises to lift the state of emergency and release prisoners, but unless one subscribes to the most radical conspiracy theories, one also has to assume there are armed elements, homegrown perhaps but why not with outside help, who are bringing in or seizing weapons, attacking government buildings and killing security forces.

It is at any rate hard to believe that Jisr al-Shughur, a town of some 40,000 people and more in the surrounding villages, a key regional centre with a long history of turmoil (one easily forgets that it’s here where it all started in 1980) would speak with a single voice for or against the uprising, for or against the regime.

Those shown welcoming the army are as real as those who have fled for their lives to Turkey. These are powerful, competing images which both sides are consciously deploying; it’s when Syria army deserters (whatever their numbers) claim on camera that they were receiving orders from Iranian or Hezbollah officers and Angelina Jolie is welcomed to Altinözü with carefully written banners in English and Turkish that one must ask how much of this is being crafted for western and Gulf media consumption. (Incidentally, how often has the “Angel of Mercy” dropped by Sitt Zaynab or Jaramana this past decade?)

But all this is really of little concern to Aleppo. While many people have family ties in villages to the north and the east, few I’ve talked to seem to have any real sympathies for what is happening in the Jisr al-Shughur area or elsewhere. I’m still assured on a daily basis that the real meaning of hurriyya is when a woman can walk outside at 2 in the morning. On the other hand the mood seems to be turning more pessimistic, from “nothing will happen here and everything will be fine” to “in sha’ Allah nothing will happen here and everything will be fine.”

Aleppo continues to live in somewhat of a bubble, as an increasing number of residents themselves are cynically acknowledging. There are still isolated demonstrations in some of the more conservative neighbourhoods—last Friday there was even one dead near the Mabna al-Idhaa on the western outskirts which the authorities quickly attributed to prior health issues in an attempt to play down the potential for violence here—but these are being overshadowed by the arrival at the citadel of the famous 2-km Syrian flag previously displayed in Mezze and, after a lull of several weeks, a now almost nightly repetition of boisterous joyriding by flag-waving youths and siren-wailing municipal vehicles to show support for the regime.

My critical friend (most of them are not) thinks it will get much worse, that people are seething under the surface. I myself heard my first unsolicited criticism of Rami Makhlouf and the overall economic situation in the past few days. You don’t see as many pictures of Hasan Nasrallah on cars as you used to.

But the Republic of Aleppo is still very far from a revolution; it promises to be a long spring yet.

Comments (245)


FreeSoldier said:

Per your quote:

few I’ve talked to seem to have any real sympathies for what is happening in the Jisr al-Shughur area or elsewhere.

We are witnessing the breakdown of a country under a government who sees reality and perception on opposite end (i.e. today’s speech). When one village no longer cares what happens to the next village is a sign that the country is breaking apart.

There is a Lebanese proverb that states: “if it was going to rain, the clouds would have been here by now”. If this regime was serious about reform, the reform would have been already adopted by now. The Assad’s are doom, the earlier they realize this, the better Syria will be.

June 20th, 2011, 4:22 pm

 

norman said:

The speech is a lot better than what BBC, Aljazeera say,

June 20th, 2011, 4:36 pm

 

atassi said:

Abdullah Gul: Assad should act in line with demands of Syrians

20 June 2011

Trend News Agency (Azerbaijan)

TRENDE

English

(c) 2011 Trend News Agency. Copyright for the present information is reserved, in case of reprint of any part of it reference should be done to the Agency.

Turkey’s president said on Monday that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad should be affirmative towards demands of his people, Anadolu reported.

President Abdullah Gul, who spoke to journalists, said, “Syrian President Al-Assad should clearly and definitely say everything has changed, and that everything would be arranged in line with the will of Syrian people”.

Asked to comment on speech of Syrian president, Gul said, “al-Assad can control everything starting at the moment he says those. Time has come. Al-Assad should also say Syria will pass to multi-party system. He should say Syria will hold elections in line with all universal and democratic criteria and everything will be in line with the demands of people and he will lead this change.”

.

June 20th, 2011, 4:55 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

Al3ar3our and Erdogan on the same banner shown in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fjhEe63fzVA

very instructing !

June 20th, 2011, 4:56 pm

 

Usama said:

What an audacious load of bullshit! Now shabbiha are the ones cutting up soldiers? Tanks and helicopters fire at civilians? Does this correspondent think we’re stupid? If we want to hear bullshit about what a friend of a friend of a friend said, we have the NYT, al-Jazeera and many others for that. Then in the next sentence he talks about crafted western and gulf media. What a joke! Hypocrisy within the one article.

June 20th, 2011, 5:06 pm

 

Usama said:

No no Vlad, don’t you see? That’s shabbiha carrying banners of 3ar3our to frame the peaceful non-sectarian protesters!

June 20th, 2011, 5:11 pm

 

jad said:

What a shame that such primitive article be posted as a main post for discussion on Syria Comment.
This is by far the worst post I ever read on SC in more than 4 years, the WORST.

June 20th, 2011, 5:16 pm

 

Syrian Knight said:

Jad, what do you expect from Joshua Landis, an avid sponsor of Islamist terrorism?

June 20th, 2011, 5:22 pm

 

DamasGuy said:

FreeSoldier, better save ur Lebanese proverbs to a Lebanese blog, where u can express Ur frustration wiz Ur new government..

June 20th, 2011, 5:29 pm

 

Mustafa said:

Demonstration in Hayy al-Idhaa’ah last Friday was a group of people from Jabal al-Zawiyah and Ma’arrah al-Naaman. They are not Aleppo people, I’m sure.

Watch the last moment of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RVLhiuNjtU

Concerning a dead man in Aleppo, a video is being circulated. His face is calm and mild, even looks smiling. I don’t think he died in agony. His appearance is apparently different from those of other casualties. The news is highly likely to be a fabrication.

The president revealed in his speech today that the army found in Ma’arrah a 4WD car equipped with sophisticated weapons that can shoot down helicopters.

Today’s (June 20) anti-government demonstrations after the presidential speech was well prepared in terms of slogans, banners and papers. The way of filming is the same in different towns and villages. It is as if we are watching a collection of commercial films! This indicates that someone outside is instructing them what and how to do at what timing.

Among participating cities and towns, Homs is the only one that can be called “a city.” Hama is much smaller in size as many people know. The remainings are towns and villages which are small in number, size and population. I firmly believe they constitute less than 10% of the total Syrian cities and towns.

I saw 2 Turkish flags in al-Mayaadeen (Deir al-Zor) today. First time for me.

One more important thing: No Kurdish towns and districts carried out a demonstration today because I believe that President al-Assad mentioned to amending or even re-writing a constitution soon. Thus the Muslim Brotherhood is marginalized.

What MB can do now is to rely on external powers. The more the MB relies on external powers when talking about domestic reforms, the more they look foreign spies. Curiously we see a lot of Turkish flags in Homs, Hama, Ariha and Jisr al-Shughour.

June 20th, 2011, 5:45 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

USAMA

here are the brides of Zorro



ladies enjoy the perfume of freedom that the revolution is preparing for you !

June 20th, 2011, 6:01 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

FREE SOLDIER

dare tell us how much public debt Hariri 1st left ? how much Hariri 2nd stole from lebanese state ? and he fled to Paris some days ago fearing for his safety ! ya sa3oudi maniak

(sorry JAD since the main post is the worst since 4 years)

June 20th, 2011, 6:06 pm

 

Nour said:

Ghassan Ben Jeddo’s take:

الهدف الرئيسي لكل “نصائح” أردوغان و”حماس” داوود أوغلو كان ولا يزال التأكيد لأميركا تحديدا أن تركيا باتت هي القوة الاقليمية المؤثرة فعليا في المنطقة،، وأنها الوحيدة التي يمكن أن تؤثر أو تضغط على سوريا…لكن هذا لم يحصل،، لأن دمشق تجاهلتها،، فهذا خفف من وزن تركيا لدى واشنطن..كذلك،، فتركيا الآن تنسق في بعض الأمور ولا سيما خطوات الضغط السياسي والاعلامي وربما الميداني مع طرف عربي لم يعد له من هدف سوى إسقاط بشار الأسد…لذا فإن الحسم المؤقت أو لنقل حتى الآن للقيادة السورية مع من يوصفون “بالمخربين” أي المسلحين الذين استقد يعضهم من العراق وبعضهم من الداخل،، أجهض جزءا من الخطة…أنا معلوماتي أن الخيام الحالية في تركيا لأهل جسر الشغور نصبت منذ نحو “شهرين”!! معلوماتي الموثقة أيضا أن الجيش التركي ليس راضيا على سياسة أردوغان حيال سوريا وقد أرسل خطابا عبر وسيط للقيادة السورية في هذا الشأن….اليزم حين همش الرئيس بشار “الخارج” بالكامل في خطابه الى درجة الاستخفاف ،، هذا يحرج ويزعج تركيا جدا ومعها بلدان عربيان // بلد يعمل بقوة ميدانيا وتمويلا،، وبلد يعمل بقوة من خلال التنسيق السياسي والاعلامي..لكنني أقول بكل صراحة،، إن القرار الحقيقي يبقى في واشنطن،، وأنا أشتم رائحة تواصل غير علني بين دمشق وواشنطن بعد أن أدركت هذه الأخيرة إخفاق مشروعها ولو مؤقتا…لكن كل هذا لا يعني تهميش الاصلاحات..إنني أجدد تأكيد موقفي الثابت..أنا مع الحريات في سوريا ومع الاصلاحات العملية الحقيقة ومع تعددية سياسية وانتخابات نزيهة وطبعا مع المشروع الوطني والقومي للرئيس بشار..وهذا هو الأساس،، أي وحدة وطنية داخلية حقيقية..لقد أثبت الشعب السوري أنه بالفعل شعب عظيم….

June 20th, 2011, 6:18 pm

 

jad said:

S.K
I, kindly, disagree with what you wrote about about Dr. Landis, my point is that this article has no real value or importance to be put as a main article to let people read and comment on, it lacks accuracy, reliable reference and evidence to prove what is written, it’s exactly as Usama describe it “what a friend of a friend of a friend said” this is no journalism neither facts and defiantly not the usual high standards Syria Comment’s posts I’m used to read, it’s simply filling pages with meaningless stories.

Vlad,
Your language is getting worse, stop spending times with wlad ado 😉

June 20th, 2011, 6:24 pm

 

Sisyphus said:

@10. vlad-the-syrian

and what is your problem with these brave girls?
The president mentioned that there is a clear difference between protesters and saboteurs. But maybe you just don’t like your country’s people. I think it is girls like these who are the backbone of the country.

Here’s an example from Gaza, filmed by channel 4 in the u.k. the lady in question appears at 5:27 :

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184614595?bctid=8702580001

Now tell us, do you despise her too?

June 20th, 2011, 6:31 pm

 

Mustafa said:

Correction to my previous comment

The city where people waved 2 Turkish flags in Deir al-Zor governorate was not al-Mayaadeen, but al-Qawriyyah.

June 20th, 2011, 6:44 pm

 

jad said:

Nour,
This is the other part of Ben Jeddo talks:

في حديث للأستاذ الإعلامي الكبير غسان بن جدو عن موقف تركيا واحتمال التدخل العسكري التركي في سوريا،، كان جوابه:

لا أعتقد مطلقا أن تركيا ستتدخل عسكريا في سوريا…لا مجوز دوليا لها لا سيما بعد تأكيد الرئيس الروسي اليوم من جديد أن بلاده ستستخدم حق الفيتو في مجلس الأمن..فبأي رافعة قانةنية ستدخل تركيا؟ أما عن الجيش،، فمعلوماتي أنه لا يريد مطلقا أي تورط عسكري مع سوريا ولا مع غيرها حاليا…ربما يدفع البعض من فريق القيادة التركية الحالية الى استخدام الورقة الكردية للتصعيد العسكري داخل سوريا،، لكن في هذا مغامرة كبرى..أضف الى ذلك أن أي تدخل عسكري تركي أو غير تركي في سوريا،، فإن حلفاء سوريا في المنطفة بما فيها قوى المقاومة ستنظر للمسألة على أنها غزو خارجي،، ولن تقف مكتوفة الأيدي،، وخصوصا إيران،، وهذه المرة ستكون مشاركة ايران العسكرية بدفع وتشجيع وغطاء صيني روسي…كلا أيها السادة،، الخيار العسكري التركي مستبعد جدا لأن ذلك يعني مواجهة اقليمية خطيرة… لا تنسوا أيضا أن لتركيا ألف عسكري ضمن قوات اليونيفيل في لبنانّ!! كذلك علمت من مصادر موثوقة أن نوري المالكي أرسل للرئيس بشار تأكيده وتعهده أن العراق سيق الى جانبه…لذا أجدد القول إنني أستبعد تصعيدا عسكريا تركيا…

June 20th, 2011, 7:03 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Don Quixote Comment # 52 in previous post

Your impassioned, piece of vulgar illiteracy rings hollow like anything a hyper-nationalist would write. The speed by which you compose indecencies should itself give you and your fellow fierce defenders of the regime a pause. It is the same abuse we have been subjected to by those you are defending at bus stops, in government offices, in the police stations even when we are the plaintiffs, in the army, and off course, when one of us is dragged down to the offices that your beloved despot wants to bring his security thugs back to after eradicating all signs of descent. This is the life you and those whom you defend have afforded us for half a century now. The omnipresent shadows, the ears in the walls your beloved regime has implanted everywhere around us, in schools, in our factories, at the university, and even in our own private shops and businesses and within our families have made real friendships an impossible luxury for Syrians over 50 years. Always suspicious of others, especially Syrians, always afraid of singing outside the flock, always terrified by ramification on our selves or on our families for talking in front of a regime spy in our midst. As Syrians, we are always reminded of the horrors experienced by many people telling innocent jokes that may have sent them, on their return back home to visit a sick parent, to celebrate the wedding of a sister, or for a simple visit into a rollercoaster in the horror-land of one or more of the security agencies. This is the life you are defending.

We thought we escaped it when emigrating, but who amongst us did not hear his wife, her husband, or a brother or a sister during a drive to a Syrian party giving the traditional cautionary call to be careful and not talk politics. Unless you are a regime goon, you must have had this sad, humiliating experience of feeling fearful, even slightly, of an autocrat who is thousands of miles away. This is the life you are defending. Yours sir, is a terrorist regime, it maintained its existence by terrorizing us into remaining domesticated inside and outside. Giving in to the disease of corruption in order to survive, and/or thrive and becoming actively engaged in our own oppressions by being as passive chattel herded by anyone who knows how to portray connection by being vulgar, arrogant, pompous thug. Exactly as you do on this site. Look at the names you pick for yourself, violent names, clearly indicating your attempt to intimidate us into continuing this terrorized existence as Syrians with or without a hyphen, no matter what country name comes after the hyphen.

It is striking that the most vicious callers for murder of their fellow Syrians are those who also talk about the value of human life. At the first serious challenge to your self image of, you start throwing a tantrum because someone killed more per unit of time than your spoiled aloof tyrant and no one spoke about it. Well you are dead wrong. The tyrant of Egypt fell for the same reason yours will. People got tired and sick of young men like Khaled Said being murdered by regime thugs with impunity. In Syria, the regime you now defend had thousands of Khaled Saids over the years. How many an honest merchant had cut down his business so that it does not become desired in the eye of the goons. How many an honest investor, had to partner with your newly minted saint whose thefts were all conducted under the watchful eyes of your beloved dictator and blessed, in whole by him.

And the worst insult is the non-sensical farce they have been playing on us. Blackmailing us with our natural innate solidarity with our Palestinian brothers, with our human sense of justice that drives us to solidarity with all who are oppressed in the world, and our national pride, humiliated in the battles they lost in our names and under our national banner only to reserve the right to respond.

And they have lost many other battles under our own flag and in our name, education, development, natural resources, history, heritage, to name a few. They lost the battle of a secular Syria we dreamt of and fought for, not because of the sectarianism of their adversaries, which is well known to all, and hated by most of us, but because they themselves played with the powder keg of religion and sect and created a subservient propaganda machine, the same one he wants now to fool us that he want to reform, which never addressed a serious issue, glorified a past full of sexism, and focused all of its attention on glorifying a mediocre heir and lying to him so that he believes in his own non-existent greatness.

We are the honest ones. We are telling it to him as it is. He and his gang do not have our trust, we do not think they are capable of delivering anything but more maneuvers and lies. And he had proven it in every single mediocre speech one after another culminating with today’s, which some of you had the audacity to describe as being the best since Churchill. We don’t like his condescending attitude, and we only trust him and his army and security goons to inflict more death and mayhem on our people. And we are tired and sick and will not stay silent. His reforms are fake, the man even did not mention the word democracy for once as he was still treating us as dumb chattel and trying to sell us his sophistry as political vision. Shame on him, and shame on you for not seeing that.

As for me as an individual, my sarcasm is intentional. It is not meant to insult, it is meant to show you, guys and gals with scary names and avatars that you are empty shells now, for we have really broken the fear barrier. And the best way to take on a bully is to ridicule him. Your passion for life is fake, for if you had any real passion for life, you would have had gone up in arms against those who for years not only took the lives of Syrians, but also took all of their reasons to live.

And we, the real secularist, unlike you secular sectarians, are really pissed at your incompetent , lying, maneuvering, and mediocre president. Not only for the 11 years of one wasted opportunity after the other, but for his wasting of this opportunity to lead, to really change Syria into the better, and to for once, be a decent human being, with character. We are angry because he, and his gang, including you are forcing us to chose the uncertainty that will follow his rapid demise rather than the safety of a decent, gradual move towards democracy. He has not even the courage to utter that word in 90 minute speech. What he described as our future under him is not fuzzy, he wants us to trust him to take us into an era with no accountability, an era of continuing impunity and half baked Baathist maneuvers and control. No sir, not even with your scary names.

Today I am sleeping on th highest bracnch of the highest tree i can find, and I will enjoy the sense of freedom you will never now. I will smell the fresh air, you will never know, and I will risk the night time predator, for freedom is worth it, and life of fear is no longer.

Off to the tree, everyone who want to join me, please post a simple post and just say, I am off to the tree

June 20th, 2011, 7:03 pm

 

vlad-the-syrian said:

#16 RAT

from Vladimir in Vladivostok

this is a good piece of litterature you have committed herr no doubt but it does not impress me. You can give it at a public lecture rally in some fine tea room in a trendy provincial town.

But you are wrong : the pres did talk about democracy.

Your are not objective. The pres initiated reforms since 2000. This effort was impeded by a lot of reasons. You cant continually hide facts and evidence. Did you really listen to the speech ? I doubt it. You had your opinion already.

How come is he so popular then in Syria ? You are not leaving in Syria and obviously you have no more strong connection with the country.

Can you deny that there is a conspiracy, that a lot of money is being used by KSA and US to break down and divide the country ?

If you make the effort to really listen to his speech and make objective analysis of the situation you wouldnt say that. Syria is far better than it was in 2000 despite all the hardships. I can enumerate … I did in the previous post under Validimir-the-syrian after Jad told me the reason why you call me “impaler”. My comment was banned though there was not the slightest insult or mockery in it.

Besides, you start to insult people and afterwards you are surprised and shocked by their replies. This is not very honest.

You talk about illeteracy but you yourself are politically speaking illeterate. Sorry to tell you this. You seem to have no seriuos knowledge about syrian history and you make beautiful sentences plenty of wit (the lonely rat kind). Now you exagerate the sincerety of your tone. Do you seriously hope that this would bring tears ? Come on. Be serious

As for the Baath. This topic deserves another “genre”. Yours is definetly irrelevant. Better go back to your hole with your nightmares.

By the way, I dont find your oxymorons not the least tasty. Rather tedious. But if this make you think you\’re smart feel free to perform as many you wish.

June 20th, 2011, 7:46 pm

 

syau said:

#20 in previous post

“this is what the people of Homs thought of Assad and his speech, jeering and throwing shoes at his picture”

You must also be shaking your head in bewilderment, so much so that it has affected your eyesight, because this is Homs after Bashar’s speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gHJ2-Y63BY

Listen to the slogans, they are pro Bashar, pro unity, anti sectarianism. This is the voice of Syria.

The small gathering you linked is just that, a small minority of negitives, reflecting the small minority of violent revolutionists.

June 20th, 2011, 8:01 pm

 

Abughassan said:

Bashar was not talking to syrians,he was talking to Turkey and those who want him out.making a big statement about political reform was not his top priority.he wants foreign nations to know that he is in charge and nobody can tell him when or how to act. His security chiefs told him that he should not worry,and Russia gave him a shot in the arm,and we were treated with today’s speech.The speech was long and confirmed what we knew about the man who inherited the presidency of Syria: he lacks vision and is unable to influence others.some Syrians still support him,but more people are simply unsure if it is worth it to take the risk of going all the way and end up with another Iraq. The main lesson given to Arab leaders by their dads and predecessors must have been : whatever you do,do not you dare looking weak,they will eat you alive. Welcome to the garbage of mid eastern politics. واخ يا بلد

June 20th, 2011, 8:03 pm

 

EDJ said:

An Epitaph to Assad: Your description of the Syrian people as GERMS,will usher your end sooner than later. Yep, Kaddafi called his people Rats, Ali Abdallah Saleh of Yeman called his people cockroches needs to be terminated and so on.
It would seems highly than likely that Al-Assad system of tyrrany will end even sooner before that of Kaddafi and Ali.
Calling Syrians GERMS will not sit well with the Syrian nation.
You may rest in hell next to your father’s tomb.
EDJ

June 20th, 2011, 8:07 pm

 

jad said:

If I had 1% faith in this vision-less uprising,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I don’t,

If I trust one of it’s leaders,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I don’t,

If they came up with one only ONE idea of what is their plans for the future,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I won’t,

If they didn’t call for foreign intervention from the first week,
I would’ve join you on the tree but unfortunately I won’t,

If they didn’t use the religion as a mean to their cause,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I won’t,

If they talked to my reasons not to my emotions,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I won’t,

If they didn’t use every Syrian body as a picture opportunity for marketing,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I won’t,

If they didn’t kill and deny the right of the deceased to rest in peace,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I won’t,

If they were serious of what they preach,
I would’ve join you on the tree but I won’t

They only gave me a black future filled with the smell of death, treason, civil war and the color of blood without any unity or independence.
So I won’t join you on the tree because I only believe in reason and dialogue.

Enjoy the tree my friend 🙂

June 20th, 2011, 8:14 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#5

I like how he starts off with the observation of a “trusted source” and ends up contorting the story to fit back onto the lies of the arab/international media, then backing off and saying the truth is in the middle.

Bullocks. The “truth” is something no one can get at, ever. No one is omniscient. No one can get into people’s minds and figure out their true alignment. This is a whole bunch of speculative garbage that belongs on Alkhanzeera.

#19

Are we listening to the same speech? I’ve never heard a more straight-talking leader in the world, ever. He described the process of reform he’s under-taking perfectly well. He gave dates and deadlines. What MORE do you people want? Who else can take the country through this process? Do you want him to resign and let the army take over so that the country can go to hell???

#20

He called the conspiracy a germ you retard.

June 20th, 2011, 8:19 pm

 

SF94123 said:

War in the 21st century is extremely expensive… Cost of wars to the United States is over $ 1.2 trillions. The financially and morally bankrupt France and Briton already complained to the U.S that they don’t have enough ammunition/money to bomb Libya anymore!!

Having said that, Turkey for sure can’t afford to start a war with Syria.Turkey suffers from it is own internal problems (Armenian Genocide issue, Kurdish problem, unsuccessful to enter EU -nobody wants them, poverty, terrorism and much more.).

The only scenario which I can see is that the United States, Nato, Israel, and SA will push Turkey to start unjust war with Syria. By doing so, not only they can curb the Ottoman ambition in the Middle East, but also control the Iranian influence and marginalize Hezbollah in south Lebanon.

June 20th, 2011, 8:19 pm

 

jad said:

#20
“Conspiracies are like germs which increase every moment,” said President Al-Assad asserting that the solution is to enforce the immunity of our bodies investigating the domestic points of weakness as to repair them and that the solution is to sort our problems out by ourselves.

He didn’t call Syrians Germs! is that a new propaganda technique, write something else and run with it.

June 20th, 2011, 8:24 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

JAD
Then don’t but don’t participate in feeding the dying tree on which you country folks are hung.

June 20th, 2011, 8:26 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#3

Abdullah Gul should shut the f**k up and mind his own country’s internal matters. I’ve had enough of Turkish politicians. It is a shame that road-side bomb didn’t kill Erdogan.

#1

Stay in “Lebanon” and keep your stupid sayings there where they belong. We’ll recapture our territory from you in time so I hope your hatred of Syrian only grows until we reoccupy our territory.

#14

Yes, niqab does not belong in Syria. Teachers with niqab should have remained “promoted” out of their job, they are spreading their insanity to others. I am sick of this religious insanity, while the whole world is moving forward (in terms of secularism) EVERYONE HERE WANTS SYRIA TO MOVE BACKWARDS. To hell with you people, we’re not going to have an Islamist state.

June 20th, 2011, 8:30 pm

 

Revlon said:

#16. Dear hamster
Very well said, mate!
I am already there!
I have chosen an olive tree; It is firmly rooted, gnerous and adorned by peace!

June 20th, 2011, 8:31 pm

 

syau said:

EDJ #20,

President Assad said: Conspiracies are bacterias that multiply in every moment and we can not eradicate them, but can work to strengthen our body’s immunity.

Does that sound like he called the Syrian people germs? By the way, incase it escaped you, he is Syrian. Would’nt your intelligent interpretation be the pot calling the kettle black?

Jad,

That was beautifully stated.

June 20th, 2011, 8:34 pm

 

jad said:

SH
I’m not, it’s you who is throwing our ‘country folks’ of that tree to face the two beasts on ground while taking picture of them.

June 20th, 2011, 8:37 pm

 

haz said:

Not sure about this article. How can we trust that this guy knows any more than any other tourist?

For starters, in answer to his question

(Incidentally, how often has the “Angel of Mercy” dropped by Sitt Zaynab or Jaramana this past decade?)

Here’s a picture of Angelina Jolie in a refugee’s house in Jaramana in October 2009:

http://www.un.org.sy/forms/stories/viewStories.php?id=75

It was a pretty big deal at the time that she and Brad Pitt were visiting Damascus, I remember it well. Odd that someone who has spent so much time immersing himself in the country wasn’t aware of it.

There are a lot of refugees in the world. I don’t imagine she has time to visit all of them more than once every couple of years.

June 20th, 2011, 8:40 pm

 

Norman said:

Jad,

He is talking in medical terms that is hard for some people to understand , and do not seek an explanation for their stupidity,

Abughassan,

You are right all Arab leaders come with the assumption that everybody is waiting to eat them at any sign of weakness, history supports their fear, Syria in general and this president in the last 11 years have been under attack , first they thought that he young and immature and that they can control him to support their plans for Iraq, when he refused he became a pa rhea that they wanted out so there was the Hariri affair, and the attack at the presumed nuclear plan in Syria to humiliate him after he and Hezbollah won against Israel ,
He does not lack vision , what he lacks is opportunity, If you look at what he said in the u Tube that i put above from his speech you can understand how difficult it is to seek agreement about what kind of system he needs to push through.

I still have faith in him , he just need a mature opposition leader to rise and say , we got what we want, reform is on the way and the people need to go back to work.

June 20th, 2011, 8:41 pm

 

Nour said:

#24 Jad:

It is a typical straw man fallacy used by propagandists in order to stir up emotions. When certain people are bankrupt and have no new ideas, they resort to attacking others in order to bring them down.

June 20th, 2011, 8:47 pm

 

Abughassan said:

Being the president of Syria is not fun,it may be one of the most difficult jobs anywhere,but the grave situation requires a mix of vision,charisma and honesty. There was no mentioning of the brutality of security forces and no reference to the fact that albaath lost its “mojo” (assuming that it had any). This was a long speech but it was not inspiring or confidence-fueling.Bashar did not go through the jungle his dad had to experience and he waited 11 years to start talking about the future,and i simply do not trust any new promises given by him or the mad militants who want erdogan to save their behinds.Actions speak louder than words,I waited like most Syrians to hear the magic words but there was none. Elections done prior to political reform will bring a new set of clowns who can only clap and kiss shoes,to be polite. I will be the first to celebrate if I see meaningful reform measures,until then,I may stick to my Syrian coffee and old Arabic songs that help me digest the heavy load of toxic news coming from both the regime and the armed thugs who seem to enjoy this mortal dance.

June 20th, 2011, 8:48 pm

 
 

Nour said:

#19 Abughassan:

I’m surprised you would make such a categorical judgment of President Assad’s speech, as you are normally much more analytically sound. I don’t know what more we could have expected from President Assad. Essentially he stated clearly that by next September (or at most November) we will have a new party law, new election law, new media law, new Parliament, and either the amendment of the current constitution or a whole new constitution. This is in addition to all other measures taken to combat corruption, reconfigure the organization of the security, and allowing people to have a direct say in how they would like to forge the future of Syria. I don’t understand how any of this has anything to do with talking to Turkey, keeping in mind that the shape of the speech is indeed also to send a message to foreign nations that they will have no influence over Syrian internal matter. Isn’t that what we all want? Isn’t that what we all have been asking for for years? It’s only a few months away and all of a sudden now it’s unacceptable and “too little, too late”, so that we are willing to flush everything down the drain and take the country to the unknown?

June 20th, 2011, 8:54 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#33

>There was no mentioning of the brutality of security forces and

Brutality? Are your eyes even open? There’s videos of filthy Islamists openly mocking an entire army platoon and they did not even point their weapons at them. If you tried that in any other country you’d at least be beaten up.

>no reference to the fact that albaath lost its “mojo” (assuming that it had any).

Don’t forget that he’s a politician, a relatively honest one, but a politician nonetheless. In an open election with non-Baath aligned parties, I would except Baath to lose a lot of seats due to their economic mismanagement and spread of corruption over the last 2 decades. The only reason anyone would vote for baath is if it would result in Bashaar getting the presidency.

#34

People like this have already made up their mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t listen to the speech and instead rely on skewed-bullshit summaries from alkhanzeera et al.

June 20th, 2011, 8:54 pm

 

aboali said:

hey guys, lets play a fun game and see who gets the highest score in number of sarami to hit Bashar’s face:

http://basharshoe.com/

i only got 30, need more practice, but he’s a slimy one that Bashar.

June 20th, 2011, 8:57 pm

 

Expat said:

Hi JAD,

I love your comment #21. Can I use it for my FB status?

June 20th, 2011, 9:00 pm

 

Nour said:

#33 Abughassan:

You should know very well that President Assad is not going to slam his security forces publicly, as this has a tremendous impact on the security of the state. He is dealing with brutal and rogue security elements behind the scenes, and as long as the result is what we want, what does it matter whether he announces it in a speech or not? I think the last couple weeks have proven that Assad has indeed taken steps to reduce the brutal behavior of security elements. He even responded to the Hama events by pulling all security from the streets and allowing people to protest peacefully without any harassment whatsoever from any security element. But let me ask you this. Has the opposition (ANY opposition group) clearly condemned and denounced the violent and destructive path taken by many of the “protesters”? Have they condemned any of the people contributing to chaos and instability? Everyone wants President Bashar al Assad to say all the “right” things but no one is willing to take clear positions themselves. It’s time that we start constructively trying to eat the grapes, rather than destructively trying to kill the “natour”.

June 20th, 2011, 9:01 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Hey, $ionist pretending to be Syrian, let’s play a game and see how many children you can dice up with your carpet bombing before Obama calls you up and tells you to use flechette rounds instead.

June 20th, 2011, 9:02 pm

 

Tara said:

To the Whole World:

Bashar just does not get it!! I think he is beyond retarded.

Blah blah blah blah is what I heard!

I was hoping that he would speak to the Hamza’ mother or to the احمد بياسة ‘ sister or to the horrified veiled Banias woman screaming مرة عمى in me but he did not. He said nothing to restore my dignity and erase طقم سنان مرة عمى from my memory. Restoring dignity was my own pre-requisite to stop revolutioning and he could not give it back because he does not have it..

Tara, the revolutionist, will continue revolutioning. And if Tara died from a natural cause or from a bullet in the head while these criminals remain in power, she has really nothing to worry about. After all Tara’s little toddler loves to sing الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام

Moreover, I also hated the hair!

June 20th, 2011, 9:06 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Ohh look at that, the other fake Syrian has learnt a few words of Arabic. Maybe Syrian Hamster (aka Ramsis, aka Foxes of Syria, aka ex-CIA now astroturfer retiree) can lend him a hand.

“I don’t like it, he didn’t mention my toilet which won’t stop flushing — OPEN REVOLT!”

June 20th, 2011, 9:09 pm

 

aboali said:

#39 I’ve already proven to the pro-regime idiots on this blog who call everyone not agreeing with their fascist barbarian Bashar a non-Syrian Zionist that I’m in fact a Halabi in Halab:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LXmpouXk8A

look forward in the future to me posting videos of throwing my sirmayeh or taking a pee on Bashar’s pictures! O what fun!

June 20th, 2011, 9:10 pm

 

Abughassan said:

I was among the first posters to denounce the attacks on the army and the crimes committed by armed thugs,but I am not willing to pretend that security forces did not violate the law or shoot at unarmed protestors,even if their actions were less prevalent than what anti regime figures are claiming. I belong to a shrinking minority of Syrians who refuse to believe that all anti regime Syrians are saints or all pro regime Syrians are evil.I am only loyal to Syria,not the regime or the islamists.

June 20th, 2011, 9:11 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#42

“I belong to a shrinking minority of Syrians who refuse to believe that all anti regime Syrians are saints or all pro regime Syrians are evil.”

The fact that you believe it’s a shrinking minority is telling, moreso than the black and white thinking. Also the fact that you use “regime” instead of “government”. Let’s face it, you are anti-government, just pretending not to be.

#41

A zionist operating inside Syria, we’re screwed! It doesn’t matter where you are or who your father is.

June 20th, 2011, 9:16 pm

 

aboali said:

There have been so many videos showing security officers in uniform shooting at protesters, that this is not open for discussion or debate anymore, it’s a fact. Here’s one of the more recent ones taken last Friday in Homs:

June 20th, 2011, 9:16 pm

 

Nour said:

#42 Abughassan:

I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to those calling themselves “opposition” and supporting the “revolution.” I agree that security forces violated the law and shot at unarmed protesters, and Bashar al Assad is dealing with them behind the scenes. It is just not realistic to expect him to slam the security forces publicly, as he is still trying to slowly but surely remove different elements and hold them accountable. This is especially true when the so-called “opposition” refuses to recognize and condemn the acts of violence and destruction by some “protesters.”

June 20th, 2011, 9:16 pm

 

Norman said:

Abughassan

I think one of the mistakes of the security services is that they protected their buildings and fought back when they were attacked and killed attackers from the protesters , The security people have the right to defend themselves and not get killed , I really doubt it that the security people went in the street to kill people who are mostly from their home town for the pleasure of it .

June 20th, 2011, 9:19 pm

 

aboali said:

#44 Ya Haywan I’m a pure blood Halabi from a well known family, with lineage in Halab going back many generations. My family is written about in Khier el Deen Al Assadi’s book “Family’s of Aleppo”. So who are you to call me a zionist? tfoh 3alek, it’s people like you, criminal Baathist thugs who’ve destroyed Syria over the last 40 years, you’re the traitors.

June 20th, 2011, 9:21 pm

 

syau said:

Syrian Hamster,

Seeing as you have made some references to the music Samara has supplied, music that you weren’t very fond of I understand, I thought that might be because she refrained from dedicating one to you.

Following is a link which has three rallies in support of President Assad, directly after his speech.
The first clip was in Homs, the second in Tartous and the third in Hasakeh.
There is music accompanying the clip in Tartous. I dedicate the songs in that clip to you. Enjoy.

http://friendsofsyria.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/president-bashar-al-assad-speech/

I love positivity.

Anyway, be careful up there in your tree and make sure you hold on tight, because while mice are harmless, rats are not. Your tree will be shaken to the point where it will break in half, or it will be cut down and eventually you will fall.

Enjoy the view for the moment, because when your violent revolutionists are taken down, the view won’t be so nice for you.

June 20th, 2011, 9:23 pm

 

Nour said:

#39 Tara:

It would be silly to talk to “Hamza’s mother” in such a speech, as President Assad was giving a major address about the transition of the country into the next stage. President Assad already met with Hamza’s family and showed great concern about what happened to the boy. Moreover, it is most likely that what happened to Hamza involved the sick, morally decadent elements of this “revolution”. To expect President Assad to speak about this incident and that incident here and there in a major historical address to the nation is beyond shallow and would then be in the category of “blah blah blah.”

June 20th, 2011, 9:23 pm

 

Norman said:

It looks like the US tried to kill Saleh, and they probably killed Hariri,

الهجوم على الرئيس اليمني تم بصاروخ أمريكي متطور مخصص للاغتيالات

June 20th, 2011, 9:27 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#47
>#44 Ya Haywan I’m a pure blood Halabi from a well known family, with lineage in Halab going back many generations.

A well known family right, ya hmaar al-khayen? I know all of the major houses in Hallab. Which one is it then?

Also, just because you have a name from a well-known house, does not mean you’re not a zionist. Anyone can become one, it just needs utter corruption and hatred for one’s nation.

Hell, I even have Jewish blood (from Hallab too, there’s plenty) and I am not a zionist. Unlike you, I’m a patriot and can see where this “violent revolution” is going, anyone with a brain can.

June 20th, 2011, 9:27 pm

 

Tara said:

Nour,

You make a lot of sense really but with one exception. Our perceptions of “major historical address” and “Blah Blah Blah” terribly differ and actually are quite the opposite

I hope though we both agree on the hair.

June 20th, 2011, 9:35 pm

 

Abughassan said:

Another blow to those who want to topple the regime. The US has decided to wait a little more before joining the EU in its effort to destabilize the regime. Obama does not see any benefit in creating another Libya especially after facing a growing opposition inside the congress and his own party,and Russia decided to stand up against France and GB.This gives Bashar more time to secure the streets and bring meaningful measures to the table. I did not want Bashar to be appointed president in 2000 but I never supported efforts to treat him the same way Qazzafi was treated because I love Syria,not because I love the regime. The Ba’ath and the islamists have one thing in common: they are wrong.

June 20th, 2011, 9:39 pm

 

aboali said:

#52 aha right yeah, you must think I’m as dumb as Bashar, you really expect me to reveal my identity? here’s a promise, I will as soon as we get rid of the murderous regime and it’s Shabiha and mukhabarat. When Syria is finally free, then we won’t have to fear for our lives and families anymore from Bashar’s henchmen. Tell you what, since you’re a fearless min7ibak commando living in Bashar’s benevolent Baath utopia, how about you reveal your identity? It’s not like any mukhabarat will be out looking for you now is it?

June 20th, 2011, 9:41 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

>The Ba’ath and the islamists have one thing in common: they are wrong.

Yeah one is a slow acting criminal (Ba’ath), the other is a fast acting brutal disgusting criminal (Islamists). Difference is, one keeps the country together, the other one wants to break it apart. Most of the pro-Bashaar people will have no love for Ba’ath either, remember this.

#54

Telling me your family name doesn’t reveal your identity, you bimbo. When Bashaar has taken the country through reform and you reveal our identity because there’s no longer any danger, I’ll take a train ride to Allepo just so that I can laugh at you. Buy a dunce hat for the occasion:

http://deskofbrian.com/wp-content/uploads/man-in-dunce-cap-266×300.jpg

June 20th, 2011, 9:42 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau

Hello. I am still waiting to hear from you denouncing the killing that Syrian Knight called for. See post #103 of William Scott Scherk under JL ” How the opposition plans to take…”

Do you have to stick to the party’ line or you can venture out?

June 20th, 2011, 9:45 pm

 

Yazan said:

After taking a while to think about the speech, I think I know where that sense of unease comes from. The one thing he needed to do to redeem himself to me, was to acknowledge the real issues. People are not demonstrating for a new constitution, they’re not demonstrating for petty reforms, they are shouting a word he did not even use once in his speech, “Freedom”.

All lovely and dandy, but he refuses to acknowledge what these people need, and he refuses to give it to them. Freedom. It isn’t a vague concept, nor does it need that many committees, it’s a moral decision. Allow them the freedom to assemble, to discuss, to write, to speak, and then take all your time with the constitutional and structural reforms. He failed miserably in that regard.

Pity, he did bring up some fine ideas (at least theoretically) that could be used to build upon. But without that basic demand, it’ll be impossible. Let’s just hope his actions will speak more than his rhetoric.

June 20th, 2011, 9:47 pm

 

Revlon said:

#46, Dear Norman:
“I really doubt it that the security people went in the street to kill people who are mostly from their home town for the pleasure of it .”

First, Security forces are not indeginous to cities; they are deliberately selected from distant, loyal towns. Only informants are indegenous, for obvious reasons.

Second, security forcees and Shabbeeha are paid to kill! Those who managed to evade the regime’s brain washing, risk their life should they dissent, or carry on with guilt for the rest of it.

June 20th, 2011, 9:48 pm

 

Tara said:

Amir,

Just saw #13. Not really sure what how you meant it but I took it as a compliment. Thank you.

June 20th, 2011, 9:52 pm

 

aboali said:

#56 So you don’t have the balls to reveal your identity either? Doesn’t that tell you something about the terrible condition Syria is in after 40 years of police state rule? People living in fear, paranoid, scared of each other, terrified of their neighbors and friends. Is this the Syria you want your children to grow up in?

Habibi, if we believed Bashar was sincere with his reforms we’d stop protesting right away, but we don’t, he’s lying. Ya seedi if he does reform I’ll proudly wear the dunce hat and dance around naked in Bab el Faraj too, after all I want the 3neb not the natoor. I couldn’t care less if Bashar or Mickey mouse rules Syria, as long as it get changed into a democratic free prosperous country, but Bashar isn’t a man who is willing or capable of doing that. I have a feeling you’re the one who’ll be wearing the dunce hat buddy, after you realize Bashar has duped you.

June 20th, 2011, 9:54 pm

 

Tara said:

Yazan

Well said. That is similar to what I was trying to say.

June 20th, 2011, 9:59 pm

 

Norman said:

I do not know why everybody is attacking the Baath party and calling it the criminal Baath party, yes there are criminal elements in the Baath party and these should be prosecuted and punished, for GOD Sake there are criminals in the Catholic Church , pedophiles and rapist, that does mean that the Catholic church is responsible for the deeds of all members and neither should the Baath party be responsible for all the criminal behavior that was done in it’s name .

June 20th, 2011, 10:01 pm

 

daleandersen said:

RE: “the insecurity of the main highway south just outside of Aleppo.”

This is how it starts. You create chaos on the highways. People see that the government can’t keep the roads secure. In the French Revolution it was called “the Great Fear,” where city people became afraid of the people in the rural areas.

The next stage for Syria will be when armed rebels take control of the roads at night while the government soldiers secure the roads during the daylight hours. And travelers and merchants and cargo shipments will go in escorted convoys.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dale_Andersen/bashar-assad-speech-syria_n_880207_93398788.html

June 20th, 2011, 10:03 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Norman

I agree with you that the lack of an opposition leader is making dialog impossible.
I believe that both the Turks and the Russians who will meet an opposition group ( I guess the antalya group) by end June will simply tell them that Russia will still veto a resolution against Syria and advise them to calm down and negotiate with Bashar Al Assad.
That would signal clearly that beside war mongers like some of the EU countries and the media, they can’t count on a serious international support to overthrow Bashar Al Assad.
The external opposition will be neutralized and at that point the internal opposition will make the necessary concessions and establish a serious dialog with the goverment.
The large cities are functioning normally, electricity, water, restaurants, cinemas, this is not a country on the verge of a breakdown or a civil war. I said it at start, this is a peasant and poor people uprising encouraged by some intellectuals and progressists but also by people with a destructive and revengeful agenda.

June 20th, 2011, 10:04 pm

 

Mohamed Kanj said:

SYRIAN COMMANDO –

dont beleive a word of what aboali says. he is a lebanese wahhabi islamic extremist from the slums of tripoli. I can gaurantee you 90% of the so called “revolutionist” on this blog are either wahhabi’s from lebanon or extremist’ living abroad in either london, bunkered down with their pakistani and bangladeshi buddies or from the US claiming to be liberal after theyve shaven that disgusting beard of theirs

June 20th, 2011, 10:07 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Dale christian andersen

“The next stage for Syria will be when armed rebels take control of the roads at night”

yes, there will be checkpoints like in occupied Palestine checking identities, very common in your free paranocracy.

June 20th, 2011, 10:08 pm

 

syau said:

Norman #50,

There is no probably about it, just add Hariri jr to the mix, along with daddy king A who wanted a bigger stake in Lebanon, along with US and Israel, you have your recipe for disaster.
How do you think the anti radar detection device installed in his car was able to be countered.

That was one of the devious plots to destabilise Syria, then came the supply weapons to terrorists, then they condition the minds of the international community into thinking Syria is developing nuclear weapons through its nuclear program, basically to set the stage for an intervention in case this violent revolution doesn’t succeed (which it won’t). Unfortunately, it looks like Syria is in for a long haul.

Tara,

Unless you are a stylist, get over the hair.

#56,

If Syrian knight was talking about the MB, I believe the world is a better place without them. Hafez Assad gave us 40 years without they ugliness of the murders, mutilations, decapitations, terrorisings and insurgency of the MB. I look forward to another 800 years minus the MB.

I look forward to every single one of them spending their lives in prison with hard labour, because that is more satisfying to me than the death penalty, because death is an easy exit for them.

June 20th, 2011, 10:12 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

Bashar want to fight bacteria with increasing his imunity,he should have known that he has AIDS.

Bashar said the new election of people assembly will change the constitution,He wants to put blame on lack of action or on bad constitution,on the new member,he is maneuvering.

Bashar is hallucinating,and in denial,the people want freedom and dignity,which he is denying his people to have such right.Further he said there are 64000 person , are wanted by his oppresssion and suppression forces,does he know this is huge number,and he is under reporting the number.

Bashar should know that the economy is getting worse,and that will not be in his favor.

Bashar is not the messiah,and Hafez was not God

June 20th, 2011, 10:15 pm

 

ziadsoury said:

Mohamed Kanj,

What group(s) do I belong to? You also forgot to mention what kind of wives they have

June 20th, 2011, 10:16 pm

 

ziadsoury said:

Mohamed Kanj,

What group(s) do I belong to? You also forgot to mention what kind of wives they have

June 20th, 2011, 10:16 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#62

Yes there are criminal elements, like Khaddam who was such a criminal that he had to flee the country. We have to admit there is a problem in Ba’ath. Basha’ar biggest hurdle in reform is not the terrorists but the government itself. Of course, when the war starts soon all this talk will be irrelevant.

#65

You’re probably right, a lot of these guys try to slip in and pretend they want “democracy” when what they really want is “my theocracy”. I only asked for his family name, if its such a well-known family, there’s no risk in identifying it, right?

#68

You and your Islamists have AIDS. You are AIDS and cancer.

#67

Totally agree, SK really says what everyone is thinking but doesn’t want to type as not to agitate the situation.

June 20th, 2011, 10:20 pm

 

Tara said:

Syau,

Zionist stylist?

Not a stylist but I like your come back. I still do not like the hair. I prefer natural.

Knight wants to kill us, the mamenhebak, so please re answer.

June 20th, 2011, 10:23 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

I would like a condemnation from you too. Can you offer one?

June 20th, 2011, 10:30 pm

 

Norman said:

He is just defending himself and his president, Expect to yourself from others what you want for them

June 20th, 2011, 10:30 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Majedalkhaldoon

#68

You repeated the name “Bashar Al Assad” at every sentence you wrote (5 times). I think his speech had an serious impact on you. It is becoming an obsession. Are you dreaming of him too?

June 20th, 2011, 10:31 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

I think I liked his hair style and the absence of a long black fuzzy beard.

June 20th, 2011, 10:35 pm

 

Yazan said:

Tara,
Well, you know, Great minds and all that jazz… 😉

June 20th, 2011, 10:42 pm

 

Tara said:

Really? I thought we have similar taste?
Some beards are pretty attractive. Don’t you think?
I did not like neither the color nor the cut.
I hope you do not mind me exercising my freedom of “emotion”

June 20th, 2011, 10:45 pm

 

jad said:

Dear Tara,
You are asking one by one on SC to condemn a comment and I didn’t read any comment from you condemning the killing of 120 Syrian soldiers, I only read you telling stories of the incident, nothing more.
See, asking people to show compassion you need to be an example first.
Just saying.

June 20th, 2011, 10:50 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Why Regime Change in Libya?
By Ismael Hossein-zadeh

http://www.payvand.com/news/11/jun/1182.html

So, the answer to the question “why the imperialist powers want to do away with Gaddafi” has to go beyond oil, or the laughable “humanitarian concerns.” Perhaps the question can be answered best in the light of the following questions: why do these imperialist powers also want to overthrow Hugo Cavez of Venezuela, Fidel Castro (and/or his successors) of Cuba, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, Rafael Correa Delgado of Ecuador, Kim Jong-il of North Korea, Bashar Al-assad of Syria and Evo Morales of Bolivia? Or, why did they overthrow Mohammad Mossadeq of Iran, Jacobo Arbenz of Guatemala, Kusno Sukarno of Indonesia, Salvador Allende of Chile, Sandinistas in Nicaragua, Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Haiti and Manuel Zelaya in Honduras?

June 20th, 2011, 10:50 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

I just hope we won’t see long black fuzzy beards in the next government of Syria.

June 20th, 2011, 10:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Dear Jad,

You did not read my older posts then. Now that hurts. I do condemn all loss of lives.

I like it though that you dared to differ…condemning our death. Death without torture might not be that bad after all.

I am not always sure that I read you well all the time either.

And finally I am not asking one by one, only few select.

June 20th, 2011, 11:05 pm

 

Tara said:

Why,

See # 73. I am still waiting for an answer

June 20th, 2011, 11:09 pm

 

Abughassan said:

I support efforts to start a national dialogue as soon as every protestor who did not committ violence is set free and public announcements are made regarding political reform in general (article 8 and free elections). We do not need a referendum to know that people want political freedom and dignity.Abolishing the emergency law is something but seeing it done is something else. Yes, Bashar and Syria need security forces but there is nothing wrong in announcing that those forces must act within the scope of existing laws and will be held accountable like everybody else. Show us who is being punished and tell us why,do not just talk about it.Going too far against security forces will hurt Syria’s security,look at Egypt,but keeping things the same is not acceptable. Let albaath win at the ballot box not at the headquarter of political security .does Syria need 15 security organizations? Of course not.for the records,I am neutral on Bashar’s hair.

June 20th, 2011, 11:12 pm

 

jad said:

Dear Tara,
I stand corrected then.
There is no our or their death, death and suffering is one and it’s reaching all of Syrians.

June 20th, 2011, 11:13 pm

 

Abughassan said:

Two Muslim friends in Latakia told me that they are unable to sleep at night after a group of islamists decide that they have a call from God via عرعور to praise god all night using loud speakers and even kitchen tools طناجر و معالق ألمنيوم with one objective: irritating as many people as possible…

June 20th, 2011, 11:21 pm

 

jad said:

Did he really dyed his hair? Seriously? How did you guy noticed that?

Abughassan,
I also heard the same, they update the call now with using fry pans like drums.
I feel so sorry for the high-school exam students, they can’t study in the morning because of either the regime or the protesters and at night the same…it’s HORRIBLE.

June 20th, 2011, 11:26 pm

 

Abughassan said:

A cousin in Aleppo reported that there is a great deal of dissatisfaction among business owners because of the presence of outsiders in some parts of that city who are pressuring people to participate in a planned strike that obviously have little or no support among merchants who are eager for a revival of economic activities,not the opposite.many are also demanding a change in previous liberal trade policy with Turkey.

June 20th, 2011, 11:31 pm

 

Tara said:

Jad,

Thx to the training SC provided us in crime scene investigation of every picture and every clip. You just develop an eye for it.

June 20th, 2011, 11:31 pm

 

jad said:

CSI Agents Academy 🙂

June 20th, 2011, 11:37 pm

 

Darryl said:

80. WHY-DISCUSS said:

Why Regime Change in Libya?
By Ismael Hossein-zadeh

I don’t know why people continue to propagate material like this. Gaddafi was simply a moronic dictator. This is a guy who wasted more money and opportunities for his country than any person during the whole history of mankind.

Gaddafi was also the person who made a claim in the early 80s on US TV interview that democracy was invented by the Arabs; in his logic it is derived from the words “Dem” which is blood and “Kirsey” which is chair.

I am not joking here, so this guy was pure dumb who got away with his babbling.

June 20th, 2011, 11:38 pm

 

Abughassan said:

I looked at Bashar’s pic twice,he either dyed his hair or allowed Asmaa to pull the gray hair he acquired after this uprising. On a serious note,I think the guy is about to make some major decisions.people will either call him a hero or denounce the hour he was born,I would like to think that he is up to something constructive. Is that a form of wishful thinking? Any psychics here?

June 20th, 2011, 11:43 pm

 

SYR.Expat said:

خطاب الاسد الثالث
عبد الباري عطوان
2011-06-20

بين خطاب الرئيس بشار الاسد الذي ألقاه في مجلس الشعب، وخطابه الذي القاه امس على مدرج جامعة دمشق فترة زمنية تمتد الى شهرين سقط خلالها 1500 شهيد، وآلاف الجرحى، وهروب اكثر من عشرة آلاف مواطن سوري الى الجانب الآخر من الحدود التركية للنجاة بارواحهم.
ما يمكن استخلاصه، وللوهلة الاولى، ان الحلول الامنية التي اتبعتها السلطات السورية في قتل المحتجين او اكبر عدد منهم، للسيطرة على الاوضاع، لم تحقق اهدافها، بل اعطت نتائج عكسية تماما، من حيث اتساع دائرة الاحتجاجات، ومشاركة اعداد اكبر فيها جمعة بعد جمعة.
خطاب الرئيس بشار الاسد الذي انتظرناه طويلا ومعنا كل السوريين وبعض العرب، لم يقدم جديدا ملموسا، او بالاحرى ‘خريطة طريق’ للخروج من المأزق الدموي الراهن الذي تعيش فصوله البلاد جمعة بعد اخرى، وكل ما تضمنه مجموعة جديدة من الوعود بالاصلاح، وحديث مطول عن المؤامرة.
الرئيس بشار حصر الازمة في مجموعة صغيرة من المخربين، وحملهم مسؤولية ما يحدث من اعمال عنف وصدامات مع قوات الامن وحرق المباني والمؤسسات العامة، وهذا تبسيط من الصعب ان يقنع غالبية الشعب التي تتابع ما يجري في بلادها بالصوت والصورة عبر الفضائيات العربية والاجنبية بأدق التفاصيل.
منذ بداية الازمة، قبل اربعة شهور، والرئيس بشار يتحدث عن تشكيل لجان، واحدة لتعديل الدستور، وثانية لوضع قانون للانتخابات، وثالثة للاعلام، ورابعة لمكافحة الفساد، وجميع هذه اللجان ما زالت تعمل، وتدرس، وتمحص، ولم نر النتائج على الارض حتى الآن.
مكافحة الفساد لا تحتاج الى لجنة، فرموز الفساد معروفة للرئيس بشار مثلما هي معروفة لاصغر طفل في سورية، فاذا كانت هناك نوايا فعلا لمحاسبتها، فان الامر لا يستغرق ساعات، فمثلما تعطى الاوامر للاجهزة الامنية باطلاق النار على المتظاهرين، ويتم التنفيذ فورا، يمكن ان تقوم بالشيء نفسه لاعتقال الفاسدين وتقديمهم الى محاكم عادلة مثلما شاهدنا ما حدث لنظرائهم في تونس ومصر.
الفساد موجود في بطانة الحكم السوري، مثلما كان موجودا في بطانة الحكم المصري، والشعب في سورية لا يمكن ان يصدق اي وعود بمحاربة الفساد الا عندما يرى رموزه خلف القضبان، ولا نعتقد ان مثل هذا الامر بات وشيكا في سورية. والدليل على ذلك ان السيد رامي مخلوف احد رموز الفساد والمحسوبية في سورية انتقل برمشة عين من كونه حوتا كبيرا يسيطر على مفاصل البزنس في سورية (60 ‘ من حجم الاعمال والشركات) بدعم من النظام، الى فاعل خير، يكرس ما تبقى من حياته للاعمال الخيرية.
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نصدق السيد مخلوف لو انه اعلن التبرع بالمليارات التي جناها على مدى السنوات العشر الماضية (عمره 41 عاما) الى الشعب السوري، ومشاريع توفير الوظائف لملايين العاطلين من اعماله، ومكافحة الفقر في الريف، تماما مثلما فعل بيل غيتس الملياردير الامريكي الذي كون ثروته بطرق مشروعة، وتبرع بثلاثين مليار دولار (اكثر من نصفها) لفقراء العالم الثالث، والشيء نفسه فعله ابن جلدته الملياردير الآخر وارين بافيت.
الشعب السوري لا يريد تخفيض اسعار المازوت ومواد البناء، وانما ديمقراطية ومحاسبة وعدالة اجتماعية، وانهاء كل انواع التمييز في الوظائف والمراكز، والمشاركة في تقرير مصيره من خلال مؤسسات منتخبة، واعلام حر، وخدمات تعليمية وصحية ترتقي الى الحد الادنى من المواصفات المتبعة ليس في العالم المتقدم فحسب وانما حتى في دول في العالم الثالث.
من يريد اصدار قانون للاعلام يؤسس لمرحلة جديدة من المهنية والحريات التعبيرية، يبادر فوراً لادخال اصلاحات في المؤسسات الاعلامية الحالية لتأكيد نواياه في هذا الصدد، وخاصة في محطات الاذاعة والتلفزة، ولا نرى اي مؤشر يوحي بتغييرات حقيقية مقنعة في هذا المضمار.
الرئيس بشار يقول في خطابه انه لا حل مع اناس يحملون السلاح، هذا كلام جميل، دعونا نقلب الآية ونقول ان الشعب قد لا يقبل الحوار مع من يطلقون عليه النار ويقتلون العشرات من ابنائه كل اسبوع، الامر الذي يجعلنا ندخل في دوامة من العنف يصعب بل يستحيل الخروج منها.
الحوار حتى ينجح يجب ان يسبقه قرار او هدنة من السلطة السورية، يتوقف خلالها اطلاق النار لمدة اسبوع او اسبوعين، لتوفير المناخات اللازمة، واعادة بعض الثقة، واعطاء المقابر اجازة من الجنازات شبه اليومية، في اكثر من مدينة او قرية على طول سورية وعرضها.
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توقفت كثيراً عند اعتراف الرئيس الاسد بان الازمة يمكن ان تمتد شهوراً او سنوات، ولذلك يجب ان يعمل الشعب على اعادة الامور الى وضعها الطبيعي، هذا الاعتراف، او هذه النبوءة، تعني ان الاصلاحات الموعودة ستتباطأ وقد تؤجل، وان اللجوء للحلول الامنية سيستمر، فالانتفاضة بدأت بسبب القمع الامني، وانتهاك حقوق الانسان، واهدار كرامته، واللجوء الى القوة لتركيع كل محتج باعتباره مخرباً وخارجاً عن النظام والقانون.
وتوقفت اكثر عند تساؤلات كثيرة طرحها الرئيس بشار في الخطاب، ابرزها دوره ومساهمته كفرد، وطبيعة النموذج الاقتصادي الذي يجب ان تتبناه سورية، اشتراكياً كان او رأسمالياً، فهل يعقل ان سورية حتى هذه اللحظة لا تعرف النظام الاقتصادي الذي يصلح لها، وهي التي تمتلك العقول الكبيرة في الوطن والمهجر، ثم من المسؤول عن هذا القصور؟
في الغرب يقيسون مدى أهمية اي خطاب للمسؤولين الكبار، وخاصة من يتربعون على قمة الهرم، بمعيار ‘القيمة الاخبارية’ ، واعترف انني كصحافي بحثت عن هذه القيمة الاخبارية في خطاب الرئيس بشار الثالث فلم أجد الا القليل، وهذا في رأيي مسؤولية من وضعوا النص وخيبوا آمال الكثيرين الذين كانوا ينتظرونه، ونحن منهم.
اعترف بانني شخصياً شعرت بالاهانة عندما شاهدت السيد رجب طيب أردوغان يرسل كتاباً الى الرئيس بشار ليستخرج من ثناياه مخرجاً من الازمة، وبلغت الاهانة ذروتها عندما سمعت السيد أردوغان يمهله اسبوعاً لتطبيق الاصلاحات مهدداً ومتوعداً في حال عدم التنفيذ. ولعل الرئيس بشار كان يرد عليه عندما قال انه لا ينتظر دروساً من احد بل سيعطي دروساً للآخرين.
لا نعرف طبيعة الدروس التي ستعطى للآخرين، هل هي تلك التي تمارسها اجهزة الامن في التصدي لمحتجين لا يملكون غير الحناجر واللافتات التي تهتف بالاصلاح، ام في التحجر الاقتصادي، واستفحال الفساد والمحسوبية باعتراف الرئيس بشار نفسه.
أردوغان يعطي الدروس ليس فقط للرئيس بشار وانما لجميع القادة العرب دون استثناء، لانه قدم نموذجاً فريداً في الديمقراطية والاصلاحات السياسية عبر صناديق الاقتراع، وفاز بثلاث ولايات متتالية بسبب نقله تركيا وفي اقل من عشر سنوات من كونها دولة متخلفة مدينة فاسدة منهارة اقتصادياً الى سادس اقوى اقتصاد في اوروبا، والسادس عشر على مستوى العالم وبنسبة نمو تصل الى ثمانية في المئة سنوياً.
عندما يحقق الرئيس بشار او اي زعيم عربي آخر هذه الانجازات او نصفها فاننا والآخرين على استعداد لتلقي الدروس منه مرفوقة بالشكر والامتنان اما قبل ذلك فلا وألف لا.

June 20th, 2011, 11:50 pm

 

Darryl said:

92. ABUGHASSAN

If you take the posts on this forum in the last 24 hours, do you seriously think that democracy will work in Syria? No way.

Look, I think the guy is trying hard and I believe he is well aware what it takes to introduce democracy as he stated on many occasion that democracy only works when people respect each others opinion without resorting to fatwas, arms and verbal slugging matches and insults.

That is why I say, he should have introduced free speech and media laws years ago so that Syrians can learn to accept differing opinions, tolerate each others views and views without becoming violent and cynical.

June 20th, 2011, 11:53 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Darryl

“I am not joking here, so this guy was pure dumb who got away with his babbling’

Bush was dumb too and responsible for the death of millions.

June 20th, 2011, 11:58 pm

 

Nour said:

So Ben Laden supporter Atwan doesn’t like President Bashar al Assad’s speech. What else is new?

June 20th, 2011, 11:58 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

I condemn people who prefer greed, pride, revenge and violence to generosity, humility , forgiveness and dialog.

June 21st, 2011, 12:01 am

 

Averroes said:

Ya Shabaab,

I see posts getting hysterical, especially on the opposition side, but also on the pro-regime side.

I think we need to calm down. People can get worked up pretty bad on football games, but this is no football game. This is our country and our future.

Commando, M Kanj, Why-Discuss .. friends. Calm down. The other side are getting hyper because they have raised their expectations extremely high and now cannot climb down from that tree without feeling utterly defeated and humiliated. Let’s not rub it in. Let’s open the door for them to come back, as some of them still may come back.

In all casses, they are on the run, and the president, and most of the people of Syria are winning. The state has not broken, the regime has not fallen, the president has not been ousted, and there are several very important reforms coming out.

Patience .. patience and mental toughness are called for, my friends.

The will see tomorrow (Tuesday) the real size of support for Bashar. They will go rabid with rage. This is expected.

June 21st, 2011, 12:05 am

 

jad said:

It seems that every Arabic news paper owner this morning is writing about the speech, and almost all of them are giving him advice like Jihad Alkhazen (his article was the most mellow one) or blaming him like Dawoud Shiryan or threatening him of the future like 36wan, sa6e3 Nour addin assafir, or annahar 3li 7madet…it’s amazing how all wrote the exact same thing do they all get the same message from the same source?
Surprisingly Syria-News proved to be one of the most balance one, it’s amazing how Syria-News upgraded this fast:

احداث_يوم الاثنين : ردود الفعل على خطاب الرئيس الاسد
تركيا تطالب سوريا بانتخابات حرة بوجود مراقبين دوليين .. ومسيرة مليونية مؤيدة في دمشق
بعد خطاب الرئيس بشار الاسد يوم الاثنين شهدت عدة مناطق في سوريا خروج مسيرات تأييد لما جاء في الخطاب ، فيما استمرت مظاهرات في الخروج في عدة مناطق تردد هتافات مناهضة للنظام ومطالبة بالحرية ، اما ردود الفعل الدولية فقد برز منها مواقف متشددة من بعض الدول الغربية وتركيا.

ونقلت وكالة رويترز للانباء عن البيت الابيض في بيان له بإن الرئيس الأمريكي باراك أوباما تحدث مع رئيس الوزراء التركي رجب طيب اردوغان يوم الاثنين بشأن الوضع في سوريا ، موضحا بانه “اتفق الزعيمان على انه يجب على الحكومة السورية ان تنهي استخدام العنف الان وأن تشرع على الفور في احداث اصلاحات ذات مغزى تحترم التطلعات الديمقراطية للشعب السوري”.

وتبلور الموقف التركي من خلال لقاء مع صحيفة الحياة مع الرئيس التركي عبد الله غُل الذي قال في تعليقه على خطاب الاسد ” كنت اتمنى لو أنه قال في شكل محدد أن سورية ستنتقل الى نظام حزبي تعددي من خلال انتخابات حرة ونزيهة يحضرها مراقبون دوليون، وأن العنف سيتوقف تماماً في مواجهة التظاهرات، وأنه سيكفل حرية الرأي والتعبير لكل من لا يلجأ الى العنف في سورية”

وتابع غل في لقائه مع الصحيفة إنه “يعلم أن الرئيس الاسد «مدرك لاهمية الاصلاحات ومقبل على العمل عليها وتطبيقها وأنه تحدث اليه اكثر من مرة وفي شكل مبكر عن هذا الامر. لكن الوقت يمر بسرعة وصبر الشارع ينفد” ، على حد تعبيره ، لكن في المقابل رفض الرئيس التركي أي دور او تدخل لحلف شمال الاطلسي (الناتو) في سورية.

ولم يصدر اي تعليق من قبل السلطات السورية على هذه التصريحات بعد ، فيما عبر اكثر من محلل سياسي سوري مؤخرا بان مواقف تركيا تأتي في اطار اجندة سياسية خاصة مرتبطة بمخطط لدول غربية تريد استهداف سوريا.

من ناحية اخرى وصلت اللجنة الدولية للصليب الاحمر الى سوريا والتقى رئيسها جيكوب كلينبرغر مع رئيس الوزراء عادل سفر.
ونقلت سانا عن اللقاء بانه تناول ” الآليات الملائمة للتعاون والتنسيق بين اللجنة ومنظمة الهلال الأحمر العربي السوري للوقوف على الوقائع ومعرفة الحقائق في المدن والمناطق التي تعرضت لاستهداف التنظيمات الإرهابية المسلحة ودعم جهود الهلال الأحمر السوري في توفير وتقديم الاحتياجات الأساسية والمساهمة في إعادة المهجرين السوريين في تركيا إلى منازلهم وبيوتهم الذين أجبروا على تركها من قبل العصابات الإجرامية” على حد تعبير الوكالة.

وينتظر السوريون يوم الثلاثاء ان تشهد دمشق مسيرة مليونية مؤيدة لما جاء في خطاب الرئيس بشار الاسد ، حيث تناقلت فعاليات شعبية وشبابية، يوم الاثنين، دعوات للمواطنين إلى المشاركة غدا الثلاثاء في مسيرة تأييدية.

فيما شهدت عدة مناطق في اكثر من مدينة خروج مواطنين اثر خطاب الاسد في مسيرات داعمة لما جاء في مضمون الخطاب ومؤيدة للرئيس.
في المقابل خرجت اكثر من مظاهرة في عدة مناطق ومنها من شهد صدامات مع جماعات مؤيدة مما استدعى تدخل قوات حفظ النظام كما في مدينة السلمية.

وتستمر حركة التظاهر في سورية منذ اكثر من ثلاثة اشهر ، حيث بدأت في درعا وانتقلت الى اكثر من مدينة تنادي بالحرية ورفعت مؤخرا شعارات مناهضة للنظام.
وتزامن خروج هذه التظاهرات باعمال عنف وقتل راح ضحيتها المئات ، حيث يتهم متظاهرون ونشطاء ومنظمات حقوقية السلطات السورية باستخدام العنف في مواجهة هذه التظاهرات ، فيما تؤكد تقارير رسمية واعترفات بثت على لسان افراد بان من يقوم بهذه الافعال عصابات اجرامية وارهابية مسلحة تسعى الى زعزعة الاستقرار في سوريا والنيل من مواقفها”.

سيريانيوز

http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=134067

June 21st, 2011, 12:05 am

 

Why said:

Why,

Too vague!

I need specific answer to specific question.

Do you condemn knight call for the killing of the mamenhebaks?

June 21st, 2011, 12:06 am

 

faraway eyes said:

i am off to the tree with thee

June 21st, 2011, 12:07 am

 

faraway eyes said:

im off to the tree with thee

June 21st, 2011, 12:11 am

 

Tara said:

Why- Discuss,

Too vague.

I need specific question to specific answer.

Do you condemn Knight call for the death of the Mamenhebak?

June 21st, 2011, 12:12 am

 

SYR.Expat said:

“what he lacks is opportunity.”
Enough excuses. He had 11 years, which is more than enough time. How long do we have to wait until his Royal Highness bestows on us the much needed reforms?

Had he really wanted to reform the country, he would have lead by example. He would have forced Rami (also known as harami) to return his ill-gotten gains and made sure he didn’t get any preferential treatment. He, Bashar, would have done the same to his corrupt family members. That should have happened more than 10 years ago.

He had more than enough time to force the security thugs to stop the practice of humiliating and torturing people. What opportunity did he lack to do that?

What’s funny is that Rami (also know as Mr. 5%), having robbed the country blind, is now a philanthropist and we’re supposed to believe that and sing his praises day and night. From harami to Mother Teresa overnight. Not bad at all.

June 21st, 2011, 12:13 am

 

why-discuss said:

Averroes

Calling for patience is something the opposition can’t stand. They will repeat that Bashar has 11 years with a free hand to make the reforms. Now it is too late, too little. He must leave his place to Farouk Sharaa according to the Antalya conference, to the MB according to some others, to Turkey according to others, or to a Facebook page that will rewrite the constitution and everybody will be happy ever after googling.
I can’t believe anyone could be so childish and irresponsible, I am just amazed.

June 21st, 2011, 12:17 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

ABUGHASSAN,

We need a general boycott of Turkey. Free trade has to be cut off, they are undermining Syrian businesses. We don’t need Turkish trash. Round up the unpatriotic Syrian-Turks and send them to Turkey for their Ottoman dream.

As for the Islamists, when the war with Turkey starts,

I hope Syria has enough graves.

#97

A very good post ya akhee, I agree I did rub it in just a little, but these guys need to come back down to Earth. Their plot has failed, they don’t really want positive change, they want to hijack to country and hand it over to the zionist world-system.

They don’t really want democracy since the Syrian people would never EVER let them acheive this crime. Since they can’t get Syrians to cannibalise their own country, they’re going to use Turkey to attack it instead.

June 21st, 2011, 12:21 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

Please don’t bully me, I know you had your coffee. 🙂

S.K is free to say what he wants, like many others on this site.
I just don’t approve people using threats, violence, vulgar language and insults from wherever it comes.
But I am not here to give lectures or lessons to anyone.

June 21st, 2011, 12:24 am

 

Tara said:

Why-discuss,

Too vague.

Let me re phrase

Sk is entitled to wishing death on all. I am fine with that

I am interested in YOUR opinion

Do you want death to Mamenhebak?

We ran out of coffee today. I had Zhurat instead.

June 21st, 2011, 12:42 am

 

why-discuss said:

Tara

Come on, do I have to make a drawing, I don’t wish death to no one, but I will defend myself if attacked.

June 21st, 2011, 12:46 am

 

Tara said:

Why,

Good enough.

Not trying to impose on your freedom of expression but can you please kindly stop using the ugly smily face. It looks too mean. It appears in my dreams.

Did not know that you can draw too.

June 21st, 2011, 1:01 am

 

jad said:

WD,
It’s only couple months of bombing Lydia and the British taxpayers are getting vocal about how much expensive is it on them to keep this mission. I wonder how long before the French and the Brits will go to the streets in thousands to call for a stop of the military mission in Libya…Is Libya going to be the new Somalia if the crazy Quaddaffi stays a little bit longer and after those two European ‘heroes’ spend all their money.

June 21st, 2011, 1:07 am

 

jad said:

قانون الأحزاب..السماح بالأحزاب القومية ورفض الدينية

كانت أولى الجزئيات البسيطة التي أثارت حفيظة بعض أعضاء لجنة قانون الأحزاب هي مسألة تعريف الحزب حيث ورد في مسودة القانون أن الحزب هو تنظيم من أهدافه الوصول إلى السلطة و التشارك في السلطة و تداول السلطة ,وأثارت الكلمة الأخيرة و هي “تداول السلطة” اعتراضاً داخل فريق اللجنة , حيث رأى هذا الفريق أن كلمة “تشارك” تعني “تداول”, في حين أصر فريق أخر على بقاء.
وتناولت صحيفة الخبر السورية قانون الأحزاب الجديد و أبرز النقاط التي تضمنتها مسودة القانون متسائلة “هل يكّيف حزب البعث نفسه مع قانون الأحزاب أم يكّيف القانون على مقاسه؟”.
و حسب الصحيفة فقد احتلت نقطة أخرى حيز كبير في النقاش وهي:
وجود القضاة و العسكريين ضمن الأحزاب , وانتهى الأمر إلى عدم جواز أن يكون القضاة أو أفراد الجيش منتسبين إلى أي حزب .
و تنص المسودة أيضاً على
تشكيل لجنة خاصة بالموافقة عل ترخيص الحزب , و أختلف المجتمعون حول تعيين الأعضاء الثلاثة حيث تشير المسودة إلى أن أعضاء اللجنة هم وزير الداخلية رئيساً و معاون وزير العدل و ثلاثة أعضاء يتم تعيينهم بمرسوم ,حيث طالب فريق أخر أن تكون التعيين من رئيس الوزراء في حين طالب البعض أن يكون التعيين من رئيس الجمهورية على اعتبار أن رئيس الوزراء يمثل الأغلبية الحزبية و هي ممثلة في وزير الداخلية , ويتوقع أن تبقى المسودة دون تعديل أي أن يتم التعيين عبر مرسوم .
و أختلف أعضاء اللجنة أيضاً على حول
شكل المحكمة التي ستبت في أمر الأحزاب ,حيث طالب البعض أن تشكل محكمة خاصة , و رفض الفريق الأخر باعتبار أن التوجه السائد هو إلغاء المحاكم الخاصة و الاستثنائية, و يتوقع أن يتم حسم هذه النقطة عبر ثلاثة احتمالات القضاء العادي , أو القضاء الأداري برئاسة رئيس مجلس الدولة , أو محكمة خاصة بالأحزاب تشكل من رئيس المحكمة الدستورية رئيساً و رئيس محكمة النقض و رئيس محكمة الدولة.
و تم حسم الموقف و رفض الأحزاب الدينية
في حين كان الاتجاه السائد في البداية هو عدم السماح بالأحزاب القومية , إلا أن الأمر حسم الآن لجهة السماح بها , و مع السماح بالأحزاب القومية سيكون الأمر متاحاً أمام إنشاء أحزاب كردية أو أية قوميات أخرى .
و ستلزم الأحزاب بأن تكون جميع أهدافها معلنة ,و الالتزام بمبدأ الديمقراطية و نبذ العنف , وعدم إتباع أي جهة خارجية أو حزب أخر.
و في الشق المالي
تعتبر أموال الحزب أموالاً عامة , و ينطبق عليها من أحكام ما ينطبق على الأموال عامة ,حيث ستخضع للمراقبة المالية , سيتعين عليها تقديم موازناتها السنوية , سيسمح للأحزاب جمع التبرعات على أن لا تكون من جهات خارجية و أن لا تكون من شركات حتى لو كانت سورية و يسمح التبرع بالنسبة الأفراد على أن لا تتجاوز الدفعة الواحدة 200 ألف , و المبلغ الأجمالي مليون سنوياً, إضافة إلى المعونة المقدمة من الدولة التي سيجري تدارسها حسب الأصوات التي حصل عليها الحزب في الانتخابات, إضافة إلى وجود أعضاء للحزب في مجلس الشعب.
و بموجب مسودة القانون الجديد
ستخضع جميع الأحزاب القائمة حالياً لأحكام هذا القانون , وتم طرح الأمر في البداية على أن تقوم الأحزاب القائمة بإعادة تأسيس نفسها وفق أحكام القانون الجديد ,إلا أن هذا الأمر لم يرق للبعض ,فتم الاتفاق على أن تقوم الأحزاب القائمة على تسوية وضعها مع القانون الجديد خلال مدة لا تتجاوز 6 أشهر , وهنا يشكك البعض من خارج اللجنة في أن تبقى الفقرة قيد الطرح , حيث سيتعين معها على الأحزاب القائمة ,و منها حزب البعث بطبيعة الحال تسوية أوضاعها و التخلي عن كثير من منطلقاتها و أهدافها و إجراء تغييرات في بنية الحزب ذاتها , وهو الأمر الذي مازال موضع نقاش , و يبقى الحكم للمسودة النهائية التي تصدر خلال الأسبوع الحالي , قبل أن تذهب لمجلس الوزراء , و بين دراسة اللجنة و المسودة النهائية التي ستطرح للنقاش ,و كذلك في القانون الذي سيتم اعتماده أخيراً ,سيكون من الممكن الإجابة عن التساؤل ,من سيكّيف من ؟ الأحزاب القائمة أم القانون الجديد

الوطن أونلاين20/06/2011

June 21st, 2011, 1:11 am

 

N.Z. said:

Proud Libyan said:

Please pass our respect to the Free Germs of #Syria from the Free Rats of #Libya !

June 21st, 2011, 1:14 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

As always the strawmen will be difficult to burn.

N.Z.’s post clearly demonstrates just HOW DESPERATE these bastards are.

How pathetic. I will not repeat this: The “germ” is the conspiracy, the “body” is Syria. He said not to concentrate on the germ, instead build up your immunity (i.e. people are poor, so they can be corrupted with hariri-money, so you have to stop corruption and reform to stop it being so easy to corrupt them). Do you understand this N.Z., or do you have more empty slogans to run our country with, zionist fake Syrian New Zealander?

June 21st, 2011, 1:18 am

 

jad said:

اوباما يؤكد ضرورة بلورة رؤية جديدة في التطورات السياسية في الشرق الاوسط

أعلن الرئيس الأمريكي باراك أوباما عن اعتقاده بأن التغيرات التى تشهدها منطقة الشرق الاوسط تفرض على كل من الولايات المتحدة واسرائيل ضرورة بلورة “رؤية جديدة في الصورة السياسية الجديدة للمنطقة”.

وجدد أوباما أثناء حفل لجمع التبرعات لحزبه الديمقراطي الذي استضافته جماعة “الامريكيون الداعمون لعلاقات قوية بين الولايات المتحدة وإسرائيل” مساء الاثنين 20 يونيو/حزيران جدد تعهده بتأييد مصالح إسرائيل. وفي تطرقه الى الاحداث التى شهدتها بلدان الشرق الاوسط مؤخرا قال اوباما انه “سيتعين على كل من الولايات المتحدة وإسرائيل ان تنظر إلى هذا المشهد الجديد بعيون جديدة. ينبغي ألا نكتفي بمواصلة عمل نفس الاشياء التي نقوم بها الآن.”

ونقلت “رويترز” عن أوباما قوله امام ضيوف الحفل ان “الولايات المتحدة وإسرائيل سيكونان دائما حليفين وصديقين راسخين.. إسرائيل هي حليفنا وصديقنا الاوثق “، كما أكد تعهد بلاده بممارسة سياستها الخارجية مع مراعاة المصالح الامنية لدولة اسرائيل.

المصدر: وكالات

June 21st, 2011, 1:43 am

 

Annya Sylya said:

Here comes THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE to save the weak and the oppressed!!

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1106/S00114/turkish-actions-to-trigger-nato-confrontation-with-syria.htm

June 21st, 2011, 2:06 am

 

NK said:

Apparently Tal Al Malouhi died under torture …

مات الفرس الصغير , وفاة طل الملوحي

http://www.the-syrian.com/archives/11010

ليست لأنها اغلى من حمزة او هاجر وثامر

ليست لأنها ,, اغلى من باقي الشهداء على قلوب اهاليهم

ولكن ,, عندما نعلم بقتل انثى , في سجوننا الامنية / لاسمح الله /

نصبح على يقين ,, ان قبل قتلها , قد قتلو فيها ,, شرفنا وعرضنا وكرامتنا

هم لم يستحوا امام العدسات ,, فهل يستحوا في ظلمات الاقبية

الخبر ,, اعلن وانتشر منذ شهور , ولكن لم يأخذ اهمية في الاعلام , اولاً بسبب اندلاع الثورة , وثانياً انه , بقي تحت صفة الشائعات , اما الآن , ومع الاحداث الجديدة , والتسربيات من المنشقين المقربين من المعارضة , وبكل اسف تم / شبه / تأكيد الخبر , والعلم عند الله

دلائل وفاة الفرس الصغير , الحرة طل :

– تعمد نشر خبر محاكمتها قبل اندلاع الثورة , واثناء ثورة مصر ,, لتثبيت الحكم , والتخلص باكراً, من مطالبات قد يتعرض لها النظام , او استباق ان تتحول طل / لخالد سعيد/ سوريا

– التعتيم الكبير على محاكمتها , والتسريب بأن المحاكمة اصلاً , كانت غيابية , اي انها لم يكن لها وجود , لا لطل , ولا حتى للمحاكمة بالاصل , والقرار امني بحت ,, و للتسويق الاعلامي

– حجم الجرم الذي نسب اليها !! فتاة في التاسعة عشر , تكون اكبر جاسوسة لواشنطن في العصر الحديث , على النظام السوري , ومن القاهرة

– الغاية من هذا الحكم , انه يعطي المشروعية للنظام , بإصدار حكمٍ بالاعدام لاحقاً , بحجة اكتشاف ادلة جديدة , وبذلك يسهل على النظام تدريجياً , بث خبر اعدامها سراً , و طي صفحتها من الحياة

– اعلان الشيخ خالد الخلف , رئيس المجلس الاقليمي لمناهضة التعذيب ودعم الحريات وحقوق الانسان في الشرق الاوسط , اعلانه عن وفاتها

– وصول خبر لوالدتها / عهد الملوحي / بان ابنتها في سجن دوما للنساء , وعند اتصالها للتأكد من مدير المرصد السوري لحقوق الانسان , نفى وجودها هناك , بعد زيارته القريبة , وخلو ما لديه من قوائم من اسمٍ لطل , وان المعلومة وصلت لامها ,, للتضليل فقط

– اعتقال سابق لمدونين سوريين , من قبل , وعدم معرفة شيء عنهما الى اليوم

– تسريبات من داخل فروع امنية مؤخراً , بأن ما تعرضت له طل , يندى له جبين البشرية , وقال احدهم : لو اخذ الجيش او الشرفاء من الامن , يوم اجازة واحد , وتكلموا او نشروا ما لديهم من صور , لانهار النظام بثواني

– قاضي سوري في محكمة امن الدولة , مراسلاً احدى المنظمات الحقوقية التي يتعامل معها : الفرس الصغير مات , وتقول المنظمة ان هذا اللقب , كان بيننا , لمعرفة اخبار طل , منذ اعتقالها , وان الوفاة نتيجة التعذيب , ومرت بما يسمى الموت السريري , بعد انهيارها الجسدي , والخلل العصبي , لنعومتها و صغر سنها , مقابل ما تعرضت له

– خلو , قوانين العفو الاخيرة , من اي شيء عنها , ولا حتى ذكر استثناء عدم شمولها بالعفو , وذلك لانها غير موجودة بالاصل ,

مصادر الخبر : المجلس الاقليمي لمناهضة الحريات في الشرق الاوسط , المرصد السوري لحقوق الانسان , هيومن رايتس ووتش , مراسلون بلا حدود , منظمة العفو الدولية ,

دم طل / لاسمح الله / في رقابهم : يوسف الاحمد السفير السوري في القاهرة

سالم ربوع , المسؤول الامني في السفارة

العميد غسان خليل رئيس فرع المعلومات / المعتقل /

اياد غزال محافظ حمص / الآمر بجعلها عبرة وتطهير حمص من اشكالها /

الدكتور بشار الاسد

/ رغم كل التأكيدات والوعود بالكشف عن الحقيقة قريباً , وبالاثباتات والاسماء , نتمنى عدم الصحة , ولانريد التصديق , ولكن للاسف , مارأيناه من هؤلاء الساديين , يجعلننا بكل حزن , نصدق /

لأجلك يا اختُ ,, حيةً معنا / ان شاء الله / ,, او حيةً عند ربك

الثورة ,, مستمرة للنصر

التفاصيل الكاملة والمستورة , بكل جديدها / للشهيدة الحية , طل / ,, على المندسة , اولاً بأول

Something for the world-class detectives on SC to investigate, since you already cracked the case of the gay girl in Damascus.

June 21st, 2011, 2:14 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Don’t even bother, once the boy cries wolf, no one listens to him. So many people were claimed to have been killed but are alive and well.

Everyone has had enough of your lies!!!

Not related to your claim (though, being a liar, you’ll respond as if it is, awaiting this sign of desperation), here’s the DNS information of that website:

Domain Name………. the-syrian.com
Creation Date…….. 2011-04-08
Registration Date…. 2011-04-08
Expiry Date………. 2012-04-08
Organisation Name…. Souria Horra
Organisation Address. 509 Viking Drive
Organisation Address. Suite J
Organisation Address. Virginia Beach
Organisation Address. 23452
Organisation Address. VA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

Admin Name……….. Souria Horra
Admin Address…….. 509 Viking Drive
Admin Address…….. Suite J
Admin Address…….. Virginia Beach
Admin Address…….. 23452
Admin Address…….. VA
Admin Address…….. UNITED STATES
Admin Email………. ***************@gmail.com
Admin Phone………. +1.7574166627
Admin Fax…………

Very interesting. Anyone near that address, would be interesting to see which corrupt criminal exile is running this lie generator/promotor. You can tell from the name itself what their agenda is. “Freedom”, American style (look at Iraq, for a recent example).

June 21st, 2011, 2:23 am

 

NK said:

Syrian Commando

I’m pretty sure both you and Prof. Landis can face criminal charges in a pretty serious law suit for publishing such information, and putting people’s lives at risk. I’ll make sure to pass this post to the owner of that website.

Anyways the owners of the website stated a long time ago that the page is registered under a Syrian expat’s name in the U.S and all articles are published through him, just to save Syrian mukhabarat scum time and effort trying to track these people down, it’s pretty annoying when you can’t do anything to stop people from saying what they want, isn’t it ? … well get used to it 🙂

June 21st, 2011, 2:42 am

 

Chris W said:

Don’t be ridiculous. The name of the registrant of a domain name is public information. Most people choose to have that information in the name of their domain registrar for that reason.

It is perhaps impolite to publish such information, but unethical and certainly not illegal.

June 21st, 2011, 2:58 am

 

daleandersen said:

How cool!

SYRIAN COMMANDO is my kind of guy, a cynical, hyper-sensitive, wasted man, incapable of making any nourishing relationships and turning finally to a universe beyond paranoia…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Dale_Andersen/bashar-assad-speech-syria_n_880207_93398788.html

June 21st, 2011, 3:07 am

 

NK said:

Chris W

Wasn’t talking about copy pasting the DNS info themselves, rather publicly asking people nearby to identify whoever is living in that address, a clear threat to the owner ( and knowing our lovely mukhabarat) his entire family back home. Yes dear friend, threat of violence over the internet is a federal felony.

June 21st, 2011, 3:12 am

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

Just saw Bouthaina on English AJ. I missed her a lot.
.

June 21st, 2011, 3:13 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

TO NK @ 114
NK. To be fair, fake paratrooper here did not commit any violation, other then being fake. The information this fake soldier wannabe published is in the public domain and it can easily be obtained. But publishing it here meant to intimidate us into believeing in the strength of the laughable Syrian Electronic Army. Boasting 60+ Thousand fierce Men7ebbak hackers wannabe, and receiving warm thanks from Jr himself, this pathetic bunch think that electronic warfare is learning how to use google search engin.

This huge Syrian Electronic Army thing was nothing but a toy Bashar threw to the rich kids with bad taste and worst language to keep them from trying to play Rambos and hurting themselves while playing shabbee7a. The real murder job is left to real shabbe7a. What a joke. Their attack on major news sites were foiled in seconds. And I am told the administrators were laughing at the stupidity of the hackers wannabe and their methods. Like everything the regime builds, it is nothing but a cheap immitation of the real stuff. They had to get real experts from you know who to get the real electronic warfare job done.

No crime committed here, except for calling for murder. Which could be a serious issue, and I sure hope Joshua takes note of that.

Bye now

June 21st, 2011, 3:14 am

 

Chris W said:

I meant to say *not* unethical above.

June 21st, 2011, 3:30 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Oh go cry me a river. I didn’t tell you to bash him up, just figure out who it is so that they can be publicly shamed when the truth becomes more widely acknowledged in the west. Just like Tom MacMaster was shamed on behalf of his wife.

The bile you sprayed around is a protective response to your failures which are apparent to anyone with half a brain. If I’m wrong and a war doesn’t break out, a few months from now you’ll all be silent, doing some other crap, because your seriously don’t give a damn about Syria — in a positive way.

What is also funny is that you want transparency everywhere except towards your manufactured “revolutionary” bullsh*t channels (lololololol).

Chris W,

There is nothing unethical about it either. There’s something called PRIVATE REGISTRATION which the dumbasses couldn’t be bothered paying for. They’re proud enough to display their organisation’s HQ, someone should at least call them up and figure out just who funds it. It’s called basic journalism.

Are you guys afraid that it’ll turn out to be George Soros, Khaddam al kharawat, Hariri or someone equally filthy?

EDIT: Saw your above message, sorry, n/m. Yes, I agree it is impolite but we have to be a bit rough when someone is trying to destroy our country with lies.

June 21st, 2011, 3:41 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

#119

Your post is so hilarious, not a single sentence is either true or derived from a logical conclusion of the previous one. Truly a master of nonsense. Never change Ramsis.

RE: #116

Dale anderson’s definition of paranoia: being critical/investigating anything other than his enemy. Subhuman logic at its finest, you and hamster should get married.

June 21st, 2011, 3:54 am

 

syau said:

Syrian Commando,

Let them cry, they are probably upset about the demonstrations in
SUPPORT of President Bashar Assad.

There are demonstrations in support of President Bashar Assad all over Syria, including Hama and Daraa.

Al hakira, Al jazeera in true nature, are reporting the Pro Assad demonstrations as ones being anti Assad.

Revlon, I sincerely hope you hear the demonstrations in support of President Assad, in both Hama and Daraa, but incase you cant, I will give you and example.

Abu Hafez, Abu Hafez……
Allah, Syria, Bashar wou buss…..
Al shaab yurid Bashar Al Assad….
Bl rooh, bl dum, mnfdik ya BASHAR…… And the list goes on.

The voice of Syrians, Pro Assad, Pro unity….Positivity.

By the way, if any mamen7ebak are stupid enough to say people were forced into the demonstrations, dig a hole and jump into it, as Aljazeera just did.

June 21st, 2011, 4:25 am

 

Mohamed Kanj said:

MILLIONS OF SYRIANS ARE IN THE CITIES SUPPORTING DR BASHAR AL ASSAD.

SHAMMI, ABOUDI, ABOALI YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO HAND YOURSELVES IN. REMEMBER THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE YOU AMNESTY :-))))) HAHAHAHAHA

June 21st, 2011, 4:33 am

 

syau said:

Mohamed Kanj,

Lol…..They do have time indeed.

You forgot revlon.

Syrians have shown the world they stand by their president.
They have shown the world they are pro unity and against any form of foreign intervention.

Long live Syria, long live Bashar Assad.

June 21st, 2011, 4:39 am

 

Mohamed Kanj said:

THEY HAVE FILLED 2 MAIN SQUARES IN DAMSCUS AND THE MAIN HIGHWAYS WITH BASHAR AL ASSAD SUPPORTERS

June 21st, 2011, 4:48 am

 

Shami said:

Kanj,i’m patient,the difference is that you force yourself to believe that he is an eternal dictator and those who believe otherwise are the eternal losers whereas it’s natural , not a belief ,a certainty that the statues of asad will be toppled and that bashar’s end will most likely be on the hand of my people ,i only hope that he will not be able to escape the country.
As for this masquarade of orchestrated demos ,they will not change the reality on the ground,the people inside know how its work: civil servants in the cities are forced to take part in such show.
It’s as false than any other Pro dictator shows that were known under similar regimes.
You will see how much loved he was when the road turns …if you believe that history has stopped with asad baath regime,it’s your problem.

June 21st, 2011, 5:02 am

 

Badr said:

Despite Cohesion, Syria Regime Could Fall

Unlike other Arab autocratic regimes which have cracked under a wave of uprisings Syria’s leadership has remained intact but analysts differ on whether it can weather the storm and survive.

Whereas in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and Libya divisions surfaced only weeks after popular unrest, there have been no known defections or cracks in the top-tier of President Bashar al-Assad’s regime or inside the security forces, despite a brutal crackdown on protesters and international condemnation.

Analysts say that is because of the clan structure of Assad’s inner circle.

“President Bashar al-Assad does not rule Syria single-handedly,” according to Exclusive Analysis, a London-based firm specialising in risk analysis.

“Certainly, such major decisions such as how to handle the ongoing unrest in the country are taken after some consultation between members of this inner circle, which is not limited to the al-Assad family but also includes key allies in the military-security apparatus,” it said in a written response to AFP.

Hafez al-Assad, who seized power in 1970, ruled for three decades until his death when power was transferred to his son Bashar, with the backing of the family, clan and the Alawite minority to which they belonged.

“Thus far, there has been general agreement over the fundamental issues in Syrian politics: That the Alawite minority should dominate the state and economy through the Baath party and the military security apparatus,” according to Exclusive Analysis.

“There is most likely no major disagreement within the elite over the necessity of using lethal force on a large scale to quell unrest,” it said.

Thomas Pierret, who starts teaching a course on Syria this September at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, agrees.

“All members of the clan in power know that the regime cannot be reformed, precisely because of its clan nature. You can reform an authoritarian regime if it is based on strong institutions, but not if it is based on a patrimonial system,” he added.

The website of the Syrian Observatory, a rights group, said the violence has claimed the lives of 1,309 civilians and 341 security force members since it erupted in mid-March.

Some 10,000 people have reportedly been arrested, and about 15,000 sought refuge in neighbouring Turkey and Lebanon.

But experts disagree on whether the ruling clique can stay united.

“The state appears to have retained its control of the country thus far. The armed forces have not seen mass or high-level defections or desertions,” according to Exclusive Analysis.

The regime “cannot maintain the status quo indefinitely,” it said. “Eventually the unrest will have to die down, or the state will collapse.”

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in a commentary in the Arabic-language Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper on Saturday, said the “continued brutality may allow (Assad) to delay the change that is under way in Syria, it will not reverse it.”

Exclusive Analysis noted that Sunni reservists were currently being used alongside the more loyal Alawite troops, but said that if the trouble lasts much longer the regime will also have to rely on the Sunni forces.

Sending them into Sunni areas for punitive measures could lead to desertions, defections and fragmentation of the armed forces, it said.

Syria is majority Sunni, but with a large Alawite minority in power and also a minority community of Christians.

“The regime could still remain in power for some time, but I think it is losing control of the country because the security forces cannot be everywhere at once,” said Basma Kodmani, director of the Arab Reform Initiative.

“They are losing ground because they are dealing with the uprisings piecemeal, trying to crush them one by one. That is why the opposition is trying to ignite as many uprisings as possible,” she said.

“In theory, the determination of the demonstrators can defeat the regime if they manage to extend the military beyond its limits,” said Pierret, adding that would mean sending the whole military out of barracks, even the Sunni elements.

“But for that to happen, the movement would have to get much, much bigger, and it is not certain that will happen,” he said.

It “seems that the regime wants to make this end last long, (it) will not give up easily,” said Professor Volker Perthes, director of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs in Berlin.

“It is certainly not ‘finished’ — it has a lot of supporters — whereas the opposition is weak and only beginning to organise nationally and internationally,” he added.

“At the same time, a point of no return seems to have been passed — too much blood has been spilt,” said Volkers, author of the book “Syria under Bashar al-Assad.”

Source: AFP

June 21st, 2011, 5:18 am

 

Chris W said:

Those ‘analysts’ sound pretty self-interested to me.

June 21st, 2011, 5:23 am

 

syau said:

Some of the demonstrations in Support of President Bashar Assad.

June 21st, 2011, 6:05 am

 

louai said:

The syrian propel are not only those who demonstrate against al baath or al alawite those are mostly islamists ,there are multitudes on the streets now ,they are from all sects they are not particularly supporting al baath but they are for sure supporting their president and they are against the revolution

June 21st, 2011, 6:26 am

 

Rani said:

This blog preforms a service. Seemingly, judging by the going on on this blog for the last month, there are a lot of people for the present Syrian govermnent and a lot of people against it. The exact numbers and proportions are elastic, dynamic and very unclear at any given moment. One thing is sure there is a lot of hate and beastly rage. Also there is more and more death and dead. The longer it will last there will be more death, more dead, more rage and hate. It may all end with a terrible blood bath, the longer this mess will last the more terrible could be the end. For those of us who believe in God, any God, may God have mercy on Syria and the whole ME and their inhabitants.

June 21st, 2011, 6:29 am

 

MOHAMED KANJ said:

SHAMI –

HAVE A LOOK AT THE LOVELY PEOPLE FROM DARAA PROVINCE. SHAMI, ACCORDING TO YOUR ASSUMPTIONS IF THESE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE FORCED OUT TO PROTEST AND WHERE PUBLIC SERVANTS OF THE GOVERNMENT, THAT WILL MEAN THAT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN SYRIA IS MAYBE 5-10%. LOOK AT THE JOY AND HAPPINESS ON THESE PEOPLES FACES, THE COLOR, THE EXCITEMENT. THIS IS 95% OF SYRIA 🙂

June 21st, 2011, 6:42 am

 

Aboud said:

“Yes only means something if No is a realistic alternative”.

The Baathists still don’t get it. They really, really don’t have a clue that this is a new era, where government orchestrated demos do nothing to shore up the regime, but just make it look even more desperate than ever (if that were even possible).

@Kanj

You forgot where the caps lock is?

“SHAMMI, ABOUDI, ABOALI YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO HAND YOURSELVES IN. ”

Again, I’ll save your comment in a bulging file I’ve marked as “Baathists shoot themselves in the foot”. Turn ourselves in for what? Posting on the Internet ya zaki? LOL!!!!! Eslahat? Wallak toz feek inta wa hal doctor el fashel wa eslahato.

So much for the eye doctor’s “reforms”. I hate to see how many patients he would have misdiagnosed.

June 21st, 2011, 6:43 am

 

syau said:

President Bashar Assad grants general amnesty for crimes commited prior to 20th June 2011.

June 21st, 2011, 7:02 am

 

Aboud said:

Al-Arabiya news station just broadcast a copy of a letter, sent to civil servants in a government organization, telling its workers to go out and demonstrate on the 21st. Bashar is as subtle as Fred Flintstone.

@134 SYAU

And like his previous “amnesties”, no one will actually end up benefiting from it, which is why the amnesty itself is so vaguely worded it could mean anything.

June 21st, 2011, 7:06 am

 

syau said:

Alarabia are also reporting the Pro Assad demonstrations are anti Assad protests.

Obviously Alarabia and Aljazeera’s eyewitness must have forgotten their glasses or were looking through their binoculars back to front as usual.

June 21st, 2011, 7:26 am

 

Mohamed Kanj said:

ABOUD –

BLABLABLABLABLA WEVE HEARD THOSE STORIES BEFORE. BLABLABLA. HOW DID YOUR WAHHABI PUPPET SAAD HARIRI GET SUPPORTERS OUT ON THE STREETS?? WASNT IT WITH HIS CASH??? SO ALL THOSE PEOPLE SMILING AND CHEERING AND DANCING WAS STAGED AND PRE PLANNED?? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU AND YOUR INTERNET GEEK FRIENDS LIVING ON. YOU STILL KEEP ON BLABBERING ON AND ON AND ON. WHY COULDNT MUBARAK OR BIN ALI OF TUNISIA OR GADAFFI GET MILLIONS OF HIS CIVIL SERVANTS OUT ON THE STREETS SUPPORTING HIM.

ABOUD, SHAMI , REVLON AND OTHER ISLAMIC EXTREMIST WAHABBI FOLLOWERS, THE GAMES OVER 🙂

June 21st, 2011, 7:34 am

 

Shami said:

Kanj,

Yalla,go dance and have fun as long baath is ruler of the tralali and tralala.

It’s time matter ,No way out ,your deity will face his fate and history goes on.

June 21st, 2011, 7:41 am

 

MOHAMED KANJ said:

ABOUD , SHAMI , REVLON –

watch this and weep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODJ9pyKq7tU

June 21st, 2011, 7:42 am

 
 

norman said:

new party law ,

وضع مشروع قانون جديد للاحزاب السياسية على موقع التشاركية

تم وضع مشروع قانون جديد للاحزاب السياسية على موقع التشاركية لرئاسة مجلس الوزراء

June 21st, 2011, 8:16 am

 

why-discuss said:

Shami

“civil servants in the cities are forced to take part in such show.”

I just can’t believe what I am reading, frankly, Shami,
can’t you just admit that a lot of people love and trust Bashar al Assad and others who have been demonstrating don’t. As simple as that!

June 21st, 2011, 8:18 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Syria is literally out on the street.

This is so overwhelming. The Syrian people are on the street together, against the conspiracy.

I love my people, patriotic right until the end. The Turks will be slaughtered, god willing.

Let it soak in traitors + liars + fake Syrians. Your fake revolution has failed. IT HAS FAILED. __FAILED__.

I spit on the European Union
I spit on the US Administration
I spit on the Arab leaders of the gulf, every single one of them
I spit on the “King” of “Jordan”

Long live Syria and its true friends
Long live Russia and its true friends
Long live China and its true friends

Everyone else can go to hell!

#142

Shami and his ilk are in shock, absolute shock. They can’t but dig out the HILARIOUS lies to justify the discrepancy between reality and their imaginary scenarios to the country they’ve never been to.

He’s probably kicking his chair in from Lebanon.

Losers, lol! Such losers… I’d almost feel sorry for them, if they weren’t out to kill us all.

June 21st, 2011, 8:21 am

 

why-discuss said:

Badr
#109

M Volker Perthes has been a blatant critic or Iran and Syria for long time. He is an Israel supporter, an ‘adviser’ to the US government and his views on Syria are biased.
This is the type of sneaky things he does as revealed by Wikileaks:

“The cable from the U.S. ambassador to Germany, Philip Murphy, sent in January 2010, said that Volker Perthes, director of Germany’s government-funded Institute for Security and International Affairs, advised U.S. officials to use methods such as computer hacking and unexplained accidents. Such actions, the cable said, “would be more effective than a military strike, whose effects in the region could be devastating.”
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/01/19/2742612/wikileaks-us-advised-to-fight-iranian-nukes-with-covert-sabotage

June 21st, 2011, 8:27 am

 

Revlon said:

General strike today in Mayadeen, in response to Jr’s Speach;

21 6 Mayadin, Deir ez Zor أوغاريت الميادين دير الزور إضراب عام بعد مجزرة الأمن والبعثيين

June 21st, 2011, 8:54 am

 

Yazan said:

Under the new party law draft, both the SSNP and the Baath party would have to be dissolved. I’m all for it.

June 21st, 2011, 8:58 am

 

Revlon said:

7ama demonstration today, Martyr’s square
ساحة الشهداء ظهر الثلاثاء 21 6 2011 حماة سوريا

June 21st, 2011, 8:58 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Sorry Revlon a General strike involves more than the local mosque with a 24 hour stream of 3ar3our.

These dirty animals need to actually have a job to commit to a general strike.

Of course what they mean is they’ll burn down open stores, but there’s going to be hell to pay if they even try.

#146

LOL, yeah, only the muslim brotherhood can run right?

Everyone must say !!NO!! to religious parties in Syria. Just look at what the AKP did to Turkey.

June 21st, 2011, 9:00 am

 

abbas said:

Saying that people are forced to demonstrate for Assad does not make sense. we saw that Ghaddafi tried but could not muster those large numbers, and I thought that the fear barrier is broken now! every one has to face the fact that most Syrians want stability and security and the devil they know and as they say walk from wall to wall and say Yarab alsetra. that does not mean to accept the current system, I hope that the reforms will be concrete and every one gets an equal opportunity regardless of sect the new republic

June 21st, 2011, 9:01 am

 

Mina said:

By the way, how many newspapers you know have reported that the Hatay province actually belonged to Syria until the Turks took it in 1939?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatay_Province

June 21st, 2011, 9:02 am

 

abbas said:

my comments need moderation now???? O.k I will not post anything again

June 21st, 2011, 9:04 am

 

syau said:

Revlon,

Deir alzor witnessed demonstrations in SUPPORT of President Assad.

Coming from Ugarit news, nothing is authentic, but if it is actually Deir alzor as you state, your so called general strike is nothing but store owners closing their stores to demonstrate in support of their president.

Desperation showing again.

June 21st, 2011, 9:04 am

 

Shami said:

Why ,all dictators have had their supporters ,you will get an accurate idea in post asad syria,you can say that most of alawites in Syria who are almost all civil servants,public employees(not only alawites of course),moukhabarat.. were in the street add to them the scared minds from change.

How much bil roh bil dam asad demos are we going to have?
2 ,5 or 6? and then ?in the end: asad under the shoes.

June 21st, 2011, 9:07 am

 

Revlon said:

The regime rounded government employees from the villages and twons around 7ama and brought them by buses to demonstrate in the city.
Residents of the city have been resisting the move since these people do not represent the city and their demonstration would be a misrepresentation.

حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
حماة – قامت الدولة باخراج الموظفين في مسيرات تأييد في حماه , وأتت الباصات من كل القرى الكبيرة من ريف حماة
إلا إن إهل حماه الشرفاء إبوا خروج مسيرة مؤيدة في حماه الجريحة , حتى لا تنسب اليهم فجرحهم لم يلتحم بعد , وقاموا بالتصدي للمؤيديين ومنعهم من السير والتصوير حيث إنهم من خارج المدينة ولا يحق لهم المتاجرة بدماء شهداء حماه الشرفاء

أما المتظاهرون فتصدوا لقوى الامن بصدورهم العارية والحجارة مقابل الرصاص والغاز وقد أكد العديد من منسيقي المظاهرات في حماه أنهم ما زالوا محافظين و مصرين على سلمية المظاهرات برغم القمع الهمجي .

about an hour ago

June 21st, 2011, 9:07 am

 

Revlon said:

Tanks have entered 7ama and are proceded to Al7ader conservative neigbourhood.
Soldiers have occupied the Martyr’s square.
حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
أوغاريت || عن خبار ثورة حماة ::حماة :: عاجـــــل : تم دخول الدبابات والمدرعات الى مدينة حماة باتجاه الحاضر … وتم بعدها انتشار الجيش في ساحة العاصي يقدرون بحواليس 200 عنصر من الجيش .. وأنباء عن قمع مظاهرة في مدينة حماة … بضرب الشعب من قبل الجيش بالعصي

about an hour ago

June 21st, 2011, 9:13 am

 

syau said:

Shami,

How smart are you! You got me there, there must be millions upon millions of Alawi’s in Syria.

Espicially the demonstrations in Hama and Daraa, there were plenty there.

And the mukhabarat, well they out outnumber the poeple.

Just a little paranoid aren’t you?

Actually, I just saw comment #152, Revlons paranoia definitely takes the cake there.

June 21st, 2011, 9:13 am

 

why-discuss said:

Shami

“Why ,all dictators have had their supporters”

The difference is that these supporters largely outnumber the anti-regime protesters who gather only when they go out of a mosque on friday and have not been able to gather such a crowd in large cities.
As long as the opposition is confined to small border cities and suburbs, don’t expect it to become a real power of change.
The only power of change can only come from a military strike from foreign countries. After the Libyan disaster for Western countries, this is out of the question. Sorry, but you must swallow your eagerness and wait for better days.

June 21st, 2011, 9:18 am

 

Revlon said:

Shaker Sa7lool fell Martyr today, in 7oms.

AlFati7a upon his soul,
May God bless his family with solace and empower them with patience

حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
أوغاريت || حمص – الخالدية – عاجل : الشهيد البطل :::: شاكر سحلول :::: سقط قبل قليل
برصاص الأمن والشبيحة في منطقة الخالدية ,,

about an hour ago

June 21st, 2011, 9:19 am

 

aboali said:

Document ordering civil servants and government employees to join the pro-regime rallies in Syria today :

http://twitpic.com/5eozlh

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-no-wonder-they-were-rioting-in-damascus-this-was-insulting-both-to-the-living-and-to-the-dead-2300296.html

It was sad. It was ridiculous. It was totally out of touch. The thousand Syrian dead (and counting) were, according to President Bashar al-Assad, victims of that well-known Arab animal: the plot, the conspiracy, the “foreign hand”, the same dastardly enemy that confronted Mubarak (before he was chucked out) and Ben Ali (before he was chucked out) and Saleh (before he was driven out, wounded, like an animal) and which still supposedly confronts Gaddafi and the Khalifas and, well, Bashar al-Assad.

June 21st, 2011, 9:22 am

 

Revlon said:

Court Trial is name of the next phase!
Alqaboon demonstrator’s response to Jr’s speach today.

21 6 Damascus أوغاريت دمشق خروج مظاهرة من جامع الكبير في حي القابون ردا على المسيرات المؤيدة

June 21st, 2011, 9:23 am

 

AIG said:

If Bashar is so popular, why is he afraid of free multi party elections?
If Bashar is so popular why is he afraid of freedom of speech?

In any case, Bashar is cornered and is going down. The only question is will he drag Syria with him.

June 21st, 2011, 9:29 am

 

Revlon said:

Staging “voluntary demonstration by Jr’s media committees”
University students were prevented from leaving the examinatin halls individually. They were gathered in the lobby to be herded in a Min7ibbak demo!
Faculty of Sciences, University of Aleppo.

33 minutes ago.

The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد
كيف تصنع المسيرات العفوية
بعد الإنتهاء من الامتحان تم إغلاق الأبواب على الطلاب لإجبارهم للخروج
حلب – كلية العلوم || إجبار الطلاب للخروج في المسيرات

June 21st, 2011, 9:31 am

 

Aboud said:

We all saw the green buses lined up to take the pro-Bashar “demonstrators” back to their villages outside of Homs.

Right after Mubarak fell, the police force who were supposedly so loyal to him went out and demonstrated in Tahrer Square…not for his return, but to put the blame for the killing of demonstrators squarely on the shoulders of the Interior Minister. This is the same kind of “loyalty” which Bashar depends on.

“The difference is that these supporters largely outnumber the anti-regime protesters who gather only when they go out of a mosque on friday and have not been able to gather such a crowd in large cities.”

Typical Baathists disillusions. It’s this kind of inability to face up to reality that got the Baathists into the mess they are in today.

1) Anti-regime protests are coming out every night.

2) Of the major cities, only Aleppo has been mostly free from sizeable demonstrations, and that’s only because half the friggin mukhabarat are there. I salute the people of Aleppo for taking up so much of the regime’s time.

3) In Hama there have been demonstrations for the past weeks, involving over 100,000 people. In Telkelakh, before it was invaded by the regime, there were almost daily demonstrations involving thousands of people. Where there is little security presence, massive demonstrations come out.

Bashar is like a bad soccer coach, totally out of touch with events in the game, telling his players to press with an attack when the other team is lining up to take a penalty kick.

June 21st, 2011, 9:39 am

 

Revlon said:

Jr’s security and Shabbe7a thugs paid a visit ot Aleppo university’s dorms, yesterday!

They left marks of Jr’s civil kindness!

المدينة الجامعية بحلب 20 6 2011 إصلاحات بشار التي وعد بها تتجلى باقتحام الأمن والشبيحة لغرف المدينة الجامعية وتكسيرها واعتقال الطلاب

June 21st, 2011, 9:40 am

 

Shami said:

Why,you are aware that when the people protest against asad regime ,they are not sure that they will return at home among their beloved,only the most brave are ready to make such important sacrifice.
The Syrian people have surpassed the bravery of Prague Spring protesters,it’s rare to see an equivalent of this bravery in history.
They are writing it as factor of change.
We will see what kind of bravery the menhebak will show in post asad Syria.

June 21st, 2011, 9:41 am

 

Observer said:

Two points I would like to make
The first is an article by Sami Moubayed in atimes that is copied below before the President’s speech and it clearly shows that the expectations that Bashar would announce major reforms and he clearly did not indicating that the hardliners still hold full sway over the response of the regime.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MF21Ak03.html
The second point I would like to make is for the moderator of this forum to ask for a cessation of insults.
First it is inappropriate language and manners and second it really distracts from real debate and thirdly it actually indirectly gives the blog to those most fanatical about their opinions; I have refrained more than once from commenting for I saw no point in entering a sterile debate as it is unfolding.

So please moderator make sure that insults are not allowed on any side.
Thanks

June 21st, 2011, 9:55 am

 

aboali said:

so according the new political parties law being drafted right now, Hezbollah, Hamas and the ruling party in Iran (all major allies of Syria) would be outlawed were they to be formed inside Syria! quite amazing isn’t it, a regime which likes to portray itself as secular fighting religious extremists, is allied with Hamas, Hezbollah and the theocracy in Iran. Outrageous hypocrisy!

June 21st, 2011, 9:56 am

 

syau said:

A new mass grave uncovered in Jisr Alshughour.

Seventy Arab and foreign diplomats in addition to many media representitives were on site to inspect the mass grave containing the bodies of security personnel.

June 21st, 2011, 10:01 am

 

Aboud said:

@164 I disagree. Let the Baathists have full freedom on this forum, and insult all they like. With every comment, people get to see their true nature.

I especially like it when they insult Professor Landis for no reason…at least, no reason that any sane person could comprehend.

Ya Bashar Ya Kezab, Tidrab inta Wa Hal Khitab.

June 21st, 2011, 10:04 am

 

syau said:

“Let the Baathists have full freedom on this forum, and insult all they like.”

Says the person who cant write one comment free of insults.
Do your hands have a mind of their own and type insults when you’re not paying attention?

June 21st, 2011, 10:12 am

 

Yazan said:

#164 Observer,
I disagree on the first paragraph. Sami Moubayed wouldn’t write something like that if he wasn’t given a nod to do so. And I think what he wrote reflects very well how the speech turned out to be. To be fair, all of the ideas mentioned in Moubayed’s article were mentioned, even if vaguely or in passing, in the speech. It is simply a question of whether this regime is capable/willing to carry out these ideas into reality (which require a real change in the way they deal with anti-regime demonstrations). I think not, on both accounts, but I hope I’m wrong.

As for your second point, hear hear.

June 21st, 2011, 10:15 am

 

Real Syrian said:

Dear Landis
After 3 months of the barbaric attack against Syria and Syrians by the radicals and the fake media , we can say that president Al-Assad has succeeded to avoid Syria a civilian war.
Millions of people who has supported Al-Assad were in all Syrian Cities…..Those people are not Shabehha or Baathists ….they are the Syrian people from all religions who want to live in peace and keep good relations….
Today Syria is different and I am sure that the US officials realize that the common interests with Al-Assad Regime is more beneficial to them than radicals like ARAOR and his partners in the MB gang..

June 21st, 2011, 10:18 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

Hahaha,

The Robert Fisk article.
The empty threats of the fake zionist Syrians.
The bullsh!t forged documents about MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of government workers.
The fake reports of protests when its not Friday when the Islamists start firing on people.

You guys managed to reach a new pathetic level of pathetic! Are you guys crying right now?

YOU FAILED.
GAME OVER.

June 21st, 2011, 10:25 am

 
 

aboali said:

#172 on the contrary, it’s just beginning. After successfully uncovering the lies, propaganda and massacres of the Assad regime, it now stands in isolation internationally as a pariah outlaw regime. The next step is an escalation of protests, dissent and civil disobedience in a concerted campaign which will destabilize the regime and bring it down from within, a prolonged war of attrition which we, the Syrian people will ultimately win. History is on our side, no tyrant can survive for very long after his people break their fear and apathy and rise up against him to demand their freedom and rights.

June 21st, 2011, 10:37 am

 

Observer said:

Here are some points about the new party law

‌د- عدم قيام الحزب على أساس ديني أو قبلي أو مناطقي أو فئوي أو مهني، أو على أساس التمييز بسبب العرق أو الجنس أو اللون.
‌ه- أن تتم تشكيلات الحزب واختيار هيئاته القيادية ومباشرته نشاطه على أساس ديمقراطي.
‌و- ألا تنطوي وسائل الحزب على إقامة أية تشكيلات عسكرية أو شبه عسكرية علنية أو سرية، أو استخدام العنف بأشكاله كافة أو التهديد به أو التحريض عليه.
‌ز- أن لا يكون الحزب فرعاً أو تابعاً لحزب أو تنظيم سياسي غير سوري
The question that I have then is as follows: does the Baath party qualify then?
It has a budget from the state and has an assured majority in parliament.
It has a secret part where members have secret meetings and agendas not known to the public.
It has an armed presence with the Pioneers and the Revolutionary Youth and it already has its hand on the security services
It has an Arab National ideology and therefore would automotically exclude non Arabs such as Kurds and Cherkess and Armenians therefore one can argue it is sectarian.
So the new law can be interpreted to outlaw the Baath party.

This is not serious reform this is window dressing just as the speech was window dressing and the discourse of the regime is denial of reality.

This is going to be protracted and is going to take months of struggle but the economy may be the crucial factor in the demise of the regime.
I would really welcome comments about the state of the economy

June 21st, 2011, 10:43 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>History is on our side, no tyrant can survive for very long after his people break their fear and apathy and rise up against him to demand their freedom and rights.

Hahaha, yeah more than 3 month later, you have dwindling crowds and have to rely on terrorists to kill security forces in order to make headlines.

>The next step is an escalation of protests, dissent and civil disobedience in a concerted campaign which will destabilize the regime and bring it down from within, a prolonged war of attrition which we, the Syrian people will ultimately win.

Dreaming dreaming dreaming. Your movement was dead on arrival and needed “international life support” in order to revive it. Your terrorist action soon to be committed in the east or east north of Syria will only invite war, not this “attrition from within” you are dreaming about.

From your armchair in Israel/Lebanon, I should mention.

>After successfully uncovering the lies, propaganda and massacres of the Assad regime, it now stands in isolation internationally as a pariah outlaw regime.

You mean all the cards by the so called “international community of anglophone controlled countries” have been burnt. The Syrian government knows all its enemies now. We are self-sufficient and the Syrian Lira is now supported by Iran’s bourse. We can print our way out of “isolation” problems, you can call our currency the GasLira now.

>It has an Arab National ideology and therefore would automotically exclude non Arabs such as Kurds and Cherkess and Armenians therefore one can argue it is sectarian.

I’d actually argue its time to drop the “Arab” from the SAR all together. The great majority of Syrians are not Arabs, though we speak Arabic. Pan-Arabism is dead. It’s time to move on, the Arabs are finished, only the people of the fertile crescent have a future.

June 21st, 2011, 10:44 am

 

Shami said:

Real Syrian,nothing can stop the destruction of asad statues ,it has nothing to do with the USA.
The totalitarian baath regime is struggling against natural laws.
Russia is going to reconcile with the syrian people too.

June 21st, 2011, 10:46 am

 

Aboud said:

@173 Aboali. Well put. The only thing Baathists are liberal in, is their own standards for “victory”. They really don’t seem to have very high expectations from their own president or thugs, do they?

In other news, satellite news channels have been showing cars in Hama burned by shabiha scum. This is the kind of people Bashar draws support from.

All of a sudden, I now have a soft spot in my heart for germs.

June 21st, 2011, 10:47 am

 

norman said:

Observor,

all parties including the Baath party have to comply or disbanded for non compliance , It seems to be a good law Egypt has similar law .

The opposition should jump and accept it and ask for compliance from the Baath party , That is the smart thing to do , don’t you think?.

June 21st, 2011, 10:48 am

 

Syrian Knight said:

It’s amazing how little coverage such a huge demonstration gets in the Western media. CBC did not report it, only saying in the news bar that 3 people were killed by security forces without even mentioning the demonstration. They showed no images. They also quote anti-Syrian government officials in Canada telling the Syrian president to step down.

CTV reported THOUSANDS. As in not even 10,000. Again, no images were shown.

Then you have the retard networks in the Middle East who actually claim that they are anti-government demonstrations.

After all of this, we are supposed to believe that Syria is not a victim to a scathing propaganda campaign by the media??? PLEASE!

Kos omik Canada! Kos Omik Amrika! Kos Omik Saudi!

June 21st, 2011, 10:53 am

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

This junta is finished. End of story for this junta.
The sad thing is that this junta is taking whole of Syria with it. And when Bashar Asma Maher Bushra and the rest of criminals will flee (if not imprisoned before they manage to escape), it will be the Syrian people who will have to cope with the realities that this junta now creates for the Syrians.
.

June 21st, 2011, 10:58 am

 

Syrian Knight said:

Hey Hamir in Tel-Aviv,

Do you see all those millions of people? Those are the Syrian people saying “YES!” to president Bashar al-Assad. If you value democracy (And we know you Israeli rats don’t), you will accept this as the will of the Syrian people. If you don’t, then go swallow a sword you hypocrite garbage. Tanks will roll over your head sooner or later, ya zib jahash.

June 21st, 2011, 11:16 am

 

syrian gerbil said:

I cant believe that people are STILL convinced in the values espoused by the bashar personality cult

very well written, hamster

June 21st, 2011, 11:25 am

 

DamasGuy said:

The only ones making sense these days are the Russians:
http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=134072

June 21st, 2011, 11:37 am

 

aboali said:

security forces and thugs burnt 27 cars today in Hama

June 21st, 2011, 11:40 am

 

Syrian Commando said:

>security forces and thugs burnt 27 cars today in Hama

You mean your a3r3our terrorists burnt cars. State doesn’t want to create chaos, that’s your job. State wants things to go back to normal.

Your conspiracy is IN OPEN LIGHT, none of your media arms covered the demonstration.

Come on you zionists, tell us where you are really from. Do you frequent paltalk? How paniced are they?

You think we can’t rally again? Hahaha. YOU ARE FINISHED YOU SCUM, FINISHED!!!!!!

June 21st, 2011, 11:43 am

 

Mina said:

The party law echoes something in Bashar al Asad speech #2 where he mentioned not only the Arabs, but the Kurds and all the people in Syria.
In his speech #3 i think he condemned the shabiha and said they should be prosecuted. Of course he didn’t use the word shabiha, but he gave clear signs, as in his other speeches.

June 21st, 2011, 11:49 am

 

jad said:

It seems that the thugs not the security forces are the ones who burns all those cars:

تدمير وحرق في حماة من قبل المخربين ردا على المؤيدين
http://youtu.be/D3hRwAxGj0E

June 21st, 2011, 11:54 am

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

159. AIG said:

“If Bashar is so popular, why is he afraid of free multi party elections? If Bashar is so popular why is he afraid of freedom of speech?”

you have a mistake: replace “Bashar” with “America” (amurderka). with this change you will be correct, accurate

June 21st, 2011, 11:55 am

 

syrian said:

well it seems that people don’t really exert enough effort to find facts or it is hard to swallow the truth, I met Jisr Alshougur people and they told me their stories passionately about the gunmen who attacked them ,they were heavily armed and brutal…,even taxi drivers in Damascus are talking about it, hearing stories from passengers ,the problem is that some demonstrators are attacking police and army stations provoking some disobedient officers to retaliate although there are clear orders no to…. P.Assad talked about that in his previous speech ….the west and Syrian opposition are not telling the truth that Assad still have the support of absolute majority of Syrians even if a lot of them dont like the regime created by his father … because there are foreign interferences the situation is becoming worse as the international and regional powers are competing for their share of the “syrian cake ”
and they want P.Assad to let them have it…well he wont ,he would rather give it to the Syrians protecting his own legacy and his father’s too…he is ready to give concessions but he is also ready to fight .the west has lost any morals in dealing with Arab countries and they don’t care that their actions may drive countries for destruction…Iraq and Libya are clear examples hopefully Syria will survive their actions .if not, then the human kind has a gaing destroyed a unique treasure ….. Syria

June 21st, 2011, 11:59 am

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

Your language is vulgar, commando. Do you really expect that I will discus democracy with a boor like you?
.

June 21st, 2011, 12:03 pm

 

jad said:

S.K.

The rallies on the Associated Press
http://youtu.be/eSqLK29TFNk

And on CNN
http://youtu.be/xnxeJ6xTNaY

June 21st, 2011, 12:17 pm

 

Aboud said:

@188 Amir, notice how the sole Baathist supporter on this forum is sounding very hysterical, even if he does post under multiple names.

@186 Bullshit. Do you know what the definition of an adult is? It’s someone who takes responsibility for his actions. But apparently, the cowardly shabiha scum burn cars, and then blame their owners for doing so.

June 21st, 2011, 12:17 pm

 

jad said:

S.K.
this is on Alikhbariyet,
http://youtu.be/Zw5BAVYgyrI
their Youtube website is
http://www.youtube.com/user/sesnews

An a VERY LONG coverage on Addounia:

June 21st, 2011, 12:25 pm

 

jad said:

From Les Politiques blog:

“Assad’s third speech delivered on Monday June 20th was well received in the Turkish press, contrary to the Saudi funded press like Al Sharq Al Awsat.

Al-Assad’s speech Monday was promising as he talked about concrete steps with a concrete timetable. I am sure that most of the measures he mentioned were the ones advised by the Turkish officials over the course of the last two months.

It is no coincidence that when it was clear from yesterday’s speech that Assad’s fall will not come without the fall of the entire regime (read my previous post), Turkey has suddenly understood that it is not in their inetrest to have another Iraq at their frontier. From the beginning I wrote that Turkey will come to change its attitude if there were no cracks in sight inside the Baath regime and this is what just happened. At the same time, the ill advised Syrian revolution 2011 has focused its platform on the fall of Assad. As I wrote in my earlier post, yesterday’s speech clearly demonstrated the unity of the regime, they will either survive together or go down together. This means that targeting Assad was not a smart move and still is not a smart move. But the Syrian Revolution 2011 thought that by targeting Assad, the regime will crack and let down Assad. This was the dynamic in Tunisia and Egypt, but it is clearly not the case here because while in Tunisia and Egypt the men who fell were the ones who made the regime, in Syria the man the Syrian revolution wants to topple is the face of the regime and he was made a statesman by this same regime. What we have seen from the beginning is the unity of this regime. The Syrian Revolution 2011, by scapegoating Assad, has trapped itslef in a hateful, emotionally charged, rationally limited campaign because, and it is the hate directed at Assad that made the unity of the regime stronger than ever.”

http://lespolitiques.blogspot.com/2011/06/hurriyet-daily-news-syria-on-right.html

June 21st, 2011, 12:30 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

#188

Perhaps my language is “vulgar” to you, but your stance on my country is what is truly vulgar. Get out of our lands, then we can discuss “de-mock-crazy”.

You speak of “democracy” but my people, to you, are worth nothing. To me a Syrian is more precious than your entire nations combined. I consider Syrians as the best people on Earth. Do you find that vulgar?

>Amir, notice how the sole Baathist supporter on this forum is sounding very hysterical, even if he does post under multiple names.

LOL! See this guys? This is the mathematical logic they used to turn a crowd of millions all over Syria into a thousand people in Damascus, all forced to be there by the government.

Desperation is a stinky colonge.

June 21st, 2011, 12:33 pm

 

jad said:

From Hama N.N. on FB:

“الخسائر كما شاهدتها:
حرق سقف الكراج البلاستيكي التابع للمحافظه
تكسير زجاج السيارات التي كانت تقف هناك
اغلاق 90% من المحلات في السوق
حرق 25 سياره مدينه وعسكريه عند الهجره والجوازات وكتبو ورقه عليهم ان الامن هو الذي حرق تلك السيارات كي يقلبو الناس على القوى الامنيه
حرق اطارات في شارع طرابلس
تكسير معظم الافتات الطرقيه الموجوده في ساحه العاصي والمرابط
تكسير اغلب الواجهات والنوافذ الزجاجيه في ساحه العاصي
كل الشوراع في المدينه سالكه لايوجد اي شارع مقطوع
لا تواجد لاي من قوى الامن او الجيش داخل المدينه
تقوم البلديه مشكره بتنظيف وشطف الشوراع من اوساخ المخربين
لا حول ولا قوه الا بالله”

“تقرير المسيرة الصباحية في حماه
تجمع الشباب في ساحة العاصي قبل موعد المسيرة بقليل وبدأوا في الازدياد وكانت أعدادهم كبيرة وكان من الصعب احصاءهم بسبب العدد الكبير لهم
وكانت الهتافات تهز الأرض في ميدان الساحة وكلهم بصوت واحد أبو حافظ
الله سوريا بشار وبس
غير 3 ما منختار الله وسوريا وبشار
بالروح بالدم نفديك يا بشار
الله محيي الجيش الله محيي الجيش
وهذه الهتافات استفزت العراعرة ولم يستطيعوا ضبط غرائزهم الحيوانية التي هاجت بهم ودفعتهم للصراخ (الجعير) واتجهوا إلى الساحة في محاولة لشق الصف التأييدي لكن كان هناك فرق كبير في الأعداد ونتيجة لهذا الشيء لم يسمع هتافهم أبدا مما ووقفوا أمام بنك البركة وبدأوا بتكسير السيارات وقاموا بتكسير الزجاج الخاص ببنك البركة وتم تكسير كل السيارات الموجودة بقربهم
وبدأوا يضربون المسيرة بالأحجار مما اضطر بعض الشباب الشجاع للوقوف عند الأشارة التي أمام الساعة لقطع الطريق على المتظاهرين وبدأوا بهتافات هزت الشوارع وعندما انتهت كمية الحجارة لدى المتظاهرين قاموا بتكسير الأرصفة لاستعمالها كحجارة وضرب المسيرة بها وهنا أمسكوا المهندس وقاموا بضربه بحجة أنه مؤيد مما اضطر الشباب من المسيرة إلى الهجوم عليهم لتخليص المهندس فأصيب 3 من الشباب من عدا المهندس وقامت قوات حفظ النظام باطلاق عدة قنابل مسيلة للدموع عليهم وبدأت حشود المؤيدين بالانسحاب فانسحبت النساء والصبايا والكبار في العمر ولم يبقى سوى الشباب لحماية الانسحاب وعندما راى العراعرة انسحاب النساء والكبار قاموا بتكثيف الضرب على المسيرة في محاولة لاصابة اكبر عدد منهم ولكن نتيجة جبنهم وخوفهم من الهتافات التي هزت الارض كانوا يبتعدون 3 خطوات كلما اقترب المؤيدين خطوة وفي النهاية انسحبت مسيرة التأييد وأخليت الساحة مما شجع العراعرة على دخولها ظناً منهم انهم انتصروا بينما الحقيقة ان الأمن وحفظ النظام طالبوا باخلاء الساحة من المؤيدين خوفا على سلامتهم”

June 21st, 2011, 12:37 pm

 

jad said:

Norman,
This is the link of the draft of the political party for discussion with Syrians:

http://www.youropinion.gov.sy/Tasharukia/projectdetail.asp?law_id=47

A new amnesty creed
http://sana.sy/ara/2/2011/06/21/353849.htm

“أكاديميون وقضاة ومحامون: المرسوم 72 خطوة جديدة في برنامج الإصلاح الشامل والحقيقي وهو أوسع قانون عفو صدر حتى تاريخه”

المرسوم التشريعي رقم 72

رئيس الجمهورية

بناء على أحكام الدستور

يرسم ما يلي:

المادة 1 يمنح عفو عام عن الجرائم المرتكبة قبل تاريخ 20- 6- 2011 وفقا لما يلي:

أ/ عن كامل العقوبة للمحكوم المصاب بتاريخ صدور هذا المرسوم التشريعي بمرض عضال غير قابل للشفاء.

ب/ عن كامل العقوبة بالنسبة للجرائم المنصوص عليها في المرسوم التشريعي رقم / 13/ لعام 1974 لمن يسدد الغرامة ويجري التسوية مع الادارة العامة للجمارك ومكتب القطع والمؤسسة العامة للتبغ والتنباك باستثناء جرائم تهريب الأسلحة والمخدرات.

ج/ عن كامل العقوبة بالنسبة للجرائم المنصوص عليها في المادة /43/ من القانون رقم / 2/ لعام /1993/.

د/ عن كامل العقوبة في الجنح المنصوص عليها في القانون رقم /2/ لعام /1993/.

هـ/ عن كامل العقوبة في الجنح المنصوص عليها في المواد التالية من قانون العقوبات رقم/ 148/ لعام /1949/ وتعديلاته /628/ الى / 636/ 642/ 643/ 644/ 652/ 653/ 658/ والجنحة المنصوص عليها في المادة /17/ من المرسوم التشريعي رقم /1/ لعام /2011/.

المادة 2 يشترط للاستفادة من أحكام الفقرة /هـ/ من المادة الأولى من هذا المرسوم التشريعي عدم وجود ادعاء شخصي أو شكوى شخصية أو أن يتم اسقاط هذا الادعاء حتى وإن تم الاسقاط بعد اكتساب الحكم الدرجة القطعية ويأخذ مفعول اسقاط الحق الشخصي تسديد المحكوم عليه بحكم قطعي كافة المبالغ والنفقات المحكوم بها في صندوق المحكمة.

المادة 3 /أ / يشكل وزير العدل بالتنسيق مع وزير الدفاع اللجان الطبية اللازمة لفحص المستفيدين من احكام الفقرة /أ / من المادة الأولى من هذا المرسوم التشريعي بناء على طلب يتقدم به المستفيد خلال مدة اقصاها سبعة ايام من تاريخ صدوره.

ب/ تصدر تقارير اللجان الطبية بقرار من وزير العدل او وزير الدفاع كل فيما يخصه.

المادة 4 ينشر هذا المرسوم التشريعي في الجريدة الرسمية ويعتبر نافذا من تاريخ صدوره.

دمشق في 19-7-1432 هجري الموافق لـ 20-6-2011 ميلادي.

June 21st, 2011, 12:42 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

possibly millions of syrians are in the streets to support their government.

this is an explicit vote for the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

if an election were held now, the government would receive no less than 75% of the legitimate votes.

June 21st, 2011, 12:52 pm

 

Syrian Knight said:

Jad, the AP Youtube video says thousands. Clearly, there were more people then just thousands.

June 21st, 2011, 12:59 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

SK,

Don’t expect the enemy’s media to hand us any kind of victory. They’re an absolute disgrace, a joke, no one should pay attention to them.

Russia Today said it was millions, by the way.

June 21st, 2011, 1:01 pm

 

Nour said:

Jad:

And then they tell us that they are peaceful and support freedom and democracy. These people who cannot tolerate opposing viewpoints expect Syrians to support them. They should all be arrested, tried, and given the maximum possible sentence.

June 21st, 2011, 1:05 pm

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

the media of syria’s enemies is one of their many weapons in all their wars.

June 21st, 2011, 1:16 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

أعلن وزير الخارجية الإيطالى فرانكو فراتينى أن حكومة بلاده ترغب فى التوصل إلى قرار من الأمم المتحدة ضد السلطات السورية .
وقال فراتينى – فى حديث تلفزيونى اليوم الثلاثاء – إن خطاب الرئيس السورى بشار الأسد أمس الاثنين جاء مخيبا للآمال وبشكل كبير, فكنت آمل الكثير من الرئيس السورى , واصفا إياه بالرجل الذى فقد الإحساس بالواقع .

Maybe Mr. Assad has lost its touch with reality, or maybe he was never ever in touch with reality.

In the past he maybe had more chances to be in touch with realitites but now I am sure that all suckers around him have no interest in let him now reality as it is. This is the only explanation I find that he is acting as if he lived in another world. This is the absolute contrary of what his father had done.

June 21st, 2011, 1:26 pm

 

Syrian Knight said:

2,100,000 in Damascus
950,000 in Lattakia
1,100,000 in Tartous
1,900,000 in Aleppo
1,300,000 in Homs
150,000 in Hama
65,000 in Dara’a
600,000 in Hasaka
200,000 in Der Al Zor
450,000 in Raqa
550,000 in Swaydah
According to preliminary statistics for the Lebanese TV (LBC), 9,365,000 Syrian citizens were in the marches today to support the President and the reform process.
Were they all forced to go on the streets??
Do they all work at Syriatel??
Are they all employees in the government??? Are these people all security force men and soldiers?
Since the demonstrations have started in Syria every friday we see protest and the largest one was 160,000. So do the math and tell me what you think?
Take into consideration that university and baccalaureate students could not participate as they are still having exams.

June 21st, 2011, 1:29 pm

 

Syrian Knight said:

Radical Islamic garbage terrorists caught on camera. May they suffer torturous deaths:

June 21st, 2011, 1:40 pm

 

jad said:

Nour,
I think there is one things that is fundamentally wrong in the way the organizers of the uprising and their supporters works, they have this disgusting techniques of denying absolutely every wrong doing and every incident and blame it immediately on the regime even when evidences are showing that the things they are denying is actually happened under their names with their own hands.
I was reading an article today and the writer still deny that a massacre of military men did happen in Jis Asshghour and noway that 120 personnels can be killed! yet we still reading about mass graves discovered and some video clips of the ‘armed’ gangs stocking the dead solders’ bodies in a pickup along pictures of the presidents to throw them in Al3asi river, ‘peacefully’.

Even today’s incident in Hama, it showed the exact same behaviors we saw month ago in the same location by the protesters yet they blame it on the regime ‘shabiha’ and went out and spread flyers saying that the regime did that.

They still don’t understand the basic of ethical rules, that to convince people of your message you have to be more moral, more honest and smarter alternative of what they already have.
Instead they Keep lying and denying their supporters’ acts forgetting that these attitude wont get them any support.
They don’t have neither the honesty nor the bravery or the long term vision needed to achieve what they want and I think that they will keep doing the same mistakes over and over.

June 21st, 2011, 1:56 pm

 

Nour said:

Jad:

The problem is that they have no ideas and no clear program that we can educate ourselves on in order to determine whether or not we should support them. Their basic position is the regime should fall and then we’ll see what happens. Well this is nonsense. No one is willing to move toward the unknown with all the serious risks that it carries. Moreover, it is totally irresponsible for so-called “opposition” figures living in foreign countries, living in lavish homes and receiving money from certain sides, to say that they will accept nothing less than the collapse of the regime, when they are not the ones who will pay for the consequences of such an occurrence. They are essentially throwing their people into the fire without them having to be accountable for anything. President Bashar al Assad is calling for a national dialogue with no red lines and no limits as to the topics of discussion and inviting all those willing to participate with no exceptions. Yet, instead of taking advantage of this measure and participating in this national dialogue, bringing with them their own ideas for how Syria should move forward, they stubbornly refuse and declare that they won’t accept anything other than total regime collapse. Only the most irresponsible, careless, shallow, and treacherous people would take such a position from afar, while living in comfort and luxury. They are total hypocrites.

June 21st, 2011, 2:07 pm

 

jad said:

This is another clip of today’s rallies:

راياتك بالعالي يا سورية……….سورية
http://youtu.be/IQRju0O_pc4

June 21st, 2011, 2:12 pm

 

jad said:

Nour,
Even in Tunisia and Egypt the regime is still there, it takes generations to remove any regime.
Even in Germany after 20 years of unification, east Germany still not fully transformed to west Germany and that under democracy, richness and peace with the support of the whole universe, so how stupid for anybody to even think that removing a regime in the Levant with all it’s cultural, religious and political conflicts still at it’s high in one day, it’s madness.
I think the only way to change the regime is to work on updating it and get fully involved as opposition in the dialougue and the process offered to you, otherwise, you are gambling high on the destruction of everything.

June 21st, 2011, 2:20 pm

 

Damascene said:

Syrian Knight, what is your Youtube page?

June 21st, 2011, 2:23 pm

 

N.Z. said:

This is not about one man, one family,rather, it is about a nation a people and in the midst we have a cancerous entity that wants to hinder any positive movement of 400 million people.

It is incumbent on this family who hindered the advancement of its nation all in the name of Zionism, imperialism annd the West, to insure us a safe transition. They till this moment are acting as they always did, for the past 40years as if they own the country and its people.

My conviction is, they will serve those who installed them in the first place till the last minute, intentionally or not. We the people deserve a ruler whose first and last interest is the country, not he and his entourage. They are there to serve and not to be glorified. Especially when all we were granted for decades is an iron fist against us all. Syria, free from tyranny, corruption and treason.

We are hand tight, in a waiting mode and under their merciless decisions when it comes to our national interest. No one knows were they will take us from here. This is were unity rather than finger pointing will serve us. All of the commentators are living faraway in a safe haven and trying to distract by adopting the regime propaganda. Wisdom is sound.

June 21st, 2011, 2:34 pm

 

Nour said:

Jad:

I totally agree. Here is a post from Ghassan Ben Jeddo.

معارضة تواصلت معي بإلحاح…”نريدك أن تشاركنا مشهد الشارع.. السوريون نزلوا بصدق بعد خطاب الرئيس وقالوا كلمتهم للاصلاح وضد التخريب، ونحن معارضون للسلطة لكن خيبة أملنا في بعض الخارج والاعلام كبيرة لتحريضه وتجاهل الحقائق “.هكذا قالت. وأنا أضيف للرأي العام العربي بمحبة: نحن مع حرية السوريين بلا تردد،، لكننا لن نكون ما حيينا أدوات لغرب متآمر وأعراب جاهليين بما يستهدف المقاومة ويؤدي الى تقسيم وفتنة حتى ولو من دون قصد.

June 21st, 2011, 2:35 pm

 

Gus said:

Today the Syrian People said their word, and if somebody does not understand there is nothing else to say.

June 21st, 2011, 2:48 pm

 

AIG said:

This the truth:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8590032/Northern-Syria-deserted-thanks-to-scorched-earth-campaign.html

Until the Syrian government allows in the free press, every word they say is a lie. What are they hiding? What are they so afraid of?

If the Syrian people support Bashar, why is he afraid of multi-party elections?

June 21st, 2011, 2:52 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

The regime is playing the confussion card. Now people who support the regime are pro reforms but those who wanted refomrs first are now terrorist clans. People peacefully asking for reforms were today massively sent to the streets happy about reforms promised by president and defending the country from those who asked reforms before the president was forced to accept he (one day and maybe) will make some reform. But only when those who ask for reforms stop asking reforms. He, the president, control the facts. And he will decided when, how, why and where there will be a reform, if there is. So now there is a confrontation between people who ask reforms and people who ask reforms too. Now everybody needs reforms. Maybe after one year there will have been no reform. But the most important thing here is that everybody wants the same and nobody knows what they want.

June 21st, 2011, 2:54 pm

 

Mina said:

The regime is playing confusion?
If you have watched the 3 “activists” interviewed by Joshua Landis : Ammar Abdulhamid, Fidaaldin Al-Sayed Issa, Usama Monajed, wouldn’t you say that they were also confused, from the start?

June 21st, 2011, 3:04 pm

 
 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

#213

Yes, the regime is playing confussion. And these 3 are too very confused. The regime loves people like these 3 persons that have no clear objectives. The real oppositors have been in prison for long years. I guess you know their names perfectly and the unexisting crimes for which they are in prison. Or maybe they are fake … as everything in this forum, according to president supporters ?

This regime and many others love to play confussion in order to divide the people and to avoid any real revolution to take place. But it is only a question of time until people is more and more concious of their situation.

June 21st, 2011, 3:38 pm

 

Yazan said:

Jad,

You do realize that this “amnesty”, only concerns drug dealers, drug addicts, petty thieves and people convicted of taking briberies and corruption?

I am not asking you to join the revolution, all I am asking is a little bit of perspective. This is a very reactionary move, and to paint it otherwise is completely hypocritical (I’m talking about the article you posted, ofcourse). This wasn’t an amnesty for political prisoners, or those arrested and (are probably being tortured as we speak) at demonstrations. Don’t you agree that this is probably not the best message of “reform” to send, one day after what was heralded as a “historic speech” and a new era?

June 21st, 2011, 3:46 pm

 
 

why-discuss said:

Jad

#203, #205

Thanks, this is the Syria we love!
If Aljazeera and BBC arr not convinced, at least the friends of Syria are convinced that they are right to keep this friendship.
The enemies will always try to find explanations to an event that negates all they have been trying to push of misinformation in the media.

June 21st, 2011, 5:14 pm

 

Tara said:

Jad & Why,

Please read Badr above link.

I like the term “deliberate scaremongering… They want to use Islam as the big bogeyman… it is nonsense. We just want freedom, …, we want to get rid of a dictatorship and the security forces.”

Isn’t that what many of the regime supporters do? Any one who voices a different opinion here on SC, gets automatically labeled as Aroori and gets fiercely attacked? And suddenly we find ourselves learning about some guy (ibn Taymiah) born in the 11th century who we are allegedly strictly following his fatwas to kill you all. Isn’t that exactly what institutionalized scaremongering means?

Jad, I followed your conversation with Nour and it really sounds pretty logic. I especially like your conclusion “…I think the only way to change the regime is to work on updating it and get fully involved as opposition in the dialogue…” I can’t agree more. And I agree also with Why comment that the current opposition is disorganized and has no real leadership and if Bashar disappears, we may find Syria transforming into a US puppet…

The problem here is that you can not have your cake and eat it too. Imprisonment and torture is the probable fate of anyone who dares to publicly call himself the opposition? You can’t call for national dialogue and Ali Abbas and cousin Atef waiting for you at the corner to do what they do best. So what national dialogue is possible here?

June 21st, 2011, 5:21 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Tara, Jad

The local opposition first must accept that the only person who can lead the transformation is Bashar Al Assad. As long as they keep asking for his overthrown, only violence will prevail because Bashar will want to protect the country from civil war and total collapse and he won’t have any other way then violent repression.
Once the local opposition accepts that Bashar is the only choice and they show their genuine willingness to cooperate, then they can get organized into committees to dialog, keeping peaceful pressure from the street if necessary. A referendum on the proposed reforms will be submitted to the population. Then we’re talking among responsible adults to transform Syria completely.
That’s my view on the way to get out of the vicious circle that serves only Syria’s enemies

June 21st, 2011, 6:36 pm

 

sheila said:

I am completely shocked at most of these comments. I am sure that you people have never lived in Syria. There is no one in Syria that supports the regime other than members of the regime and those whose livelihood is directly connected to the regime. There are lots of people however who are affraid of the alternative, and rightly so. What did this thugocracy offer the country for people to like it? the list is very long. It starts with corruption, lack of institutions, no dignity and ends with a bleak economic outlook. Please people. If you had spent a day in Syria, you would know that no one goes out on a so called “masira” by choice. I would like to refer to the father of Hamza, who had to go on TV and praise the president after his 13 year old died from torture. I rest my case.

June 21st, 2011, 10:07 pm

 

Mariam said:

I agree with you, Sheila, most of the people talking here don’t even know where is Syria, less they are going to know how people think there.

Of course there is a lot of people afraid of speaking in front of their own sons and daughters, people who were living most of their lives in fear, a fierce fear grabbing them, not letting them even think, trying to convince themselves that if you deny it, it’s not happening. Only when you have their confidence, they tell you that 30 years ago a brother, 13 years old, was in the street doing mockery of the regime, you know how children are, it had no meaning for him, but mukhabarat got him, took him to prison for 20 years, and one fine joking boy became a frightened man, surrounded by all the frightened people of his family. And this story you can hear again and again, children taken away from their families, raised in prisons under torture, or may be young men who were in the wrong place at the wrong time… they, their families, their neighbours, their friends, learnt to be afraid always, except if you were one of the “lucky ones” who were torturing, killing, and getting enormously rich from the poverty of the rest of the country. These lucky ones, of course, have an only fear: to see one day the regime falling down, down, down…

Wait and see…

June 22nd, 2011, 6:25 pm

 

Syrian Commando said:

Two comments above me are completely clueless.

You can’t FORCE 10 million people to demonstrate on the street. If they all hated the government, that’s an instant-revolution.

Complete retardation, right in front of us.

June 23rd, 2011, 4:17 am

 

Mariam said:

Syrian commando: yes, they can force them to go to the streets… once in the school they tried to take my son to one of this “spontaneous” demonstrations pro-regime, but I didn’t let him go to the school that day. Most of his companions were in the demonstrations only because the were in the school.

All the teachers were forced by the school directors.

In many companies, they forced the workers to go, providing them with buses, and passing lists.

In many public offices there were official papers forcing them to attend the demonstrations.

You simply deny it because you are one of them, one of the regime!! You fill your mouth with Syria, talking about patriotism, but you are forgetting that syrian people are real, and suffer!!

June 23rd, 2011, 7:14 am

 

Talal said:

It seems this is becoming something of the English version of Alddounia. You can’t force people to take to the streets? Have you ever been in Syria? I have been forced to go on demonstrations/masirat from primary school to college, to work. And someone has the temerity to say the people have spoken? What planet are you from? And who on earth said they’re 10 million? The Syrian population is around 20 millions, and so if exclude infants, old people, most women, the army, the police, the ill, etc, everybody was there. I like the guy who posted all those numbers, exact counts down to single individuals. Yes I’m very convinced because you didn’t use round numbers.

June 23rd, 2011, 11:28 am

 

Talal said:

I especially enjoyed post 201 by “Syrian”. “I talked to people from Jisr Alshughour”. The oldest trick in the book! Of course nobody knows who you are, where you are from, who you talked to, or if you talked to any damn person, but still there is no way to question what you say, just because you said it. I’ll take your word for it. But I would like to know about the taxi drivers in Damascus? Did they talk to “people from Jisr Alshughour” too? Those Jisr Alshughourian seem to be everywhere, don’t they? I guess they’re going on tours all over the country, telling people “passionately” about those invisible gunmen. By the way, the next time you express an opinion please speak for yourself: don’t pontificate about what the Syrians want or the “only” god/leader who can make any change in Syria. Just asserting something, no matter how forcefully you do it, does not make it right, except of course if you’re on Addounia. And finally, Syria will not be lost for humankind if your god is overthrown (what kind of “Syrian” would say a thing like that?), and the US and Israel as worried about the fall of the regime as you are.

June 23rd, 2011, 11:44 am

 

5 dancing shlomos said:

#’s 236, 237 are probably commenting from outside d.c. where all good patriotic syrians, libyans, iraqis live and from where they support zionist-american wars of violent aggression, greed, destruction, misery, against their innocent countrymen today and for the long future.

millions of syrians were in the streets by their own volition because they have seen the freedoms given to iraq, afganistan, jordan, s. arabia, the lebanon of hariri. they see the democracy with its attendant freedoms trying to be established in libya.

syrians have decided in mass numbers that the current government is their government and they will fight for it and will defeat the lying, murdering aggressors along with their day dreaming or self serving fools.

June 23rd, 2011, 11:53 am

 

Tan Mann said:

Dancing Shlomos,

Where are commenting from? Downtown Hama? We do not need to be lectured on patriotism by (edited for insult) like you. Your masters in Kherdahaa are calling you, they need you to pack their stuff right away, better hurry up or the plane to Tehran may be delayed…

July 24th, 2011, 5:47 am

 

abc said:

For anyone who loves Aleppo.

Here’s a beautiful tribute to the city by writer Nihad Sirees, who puts his memories of growing up there against the violence and horror of the present.

Geography of Secrets:

http://www.englishpen.org/geography-of-secrets/

January 19th, 2013, 5:03 pm

 

zoo said:

عودة الحياة إلى شوارع وأحياء وأسواق ومدارس تلكلخ في حمص

January 19th, 2013, 5:05 pm

 

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