"Who Supports the Regime and Why a New Party Law Will Not Include Eliminating the Supremacy of the Baath Party," by Ehsani2 - Syria Comment

“Who Supports the Regime and Why a New Party Law Will Not Include Eliminating the Supremacy of the Baath Party,” by Ehsani2

Who Supports the Regime and Why a New Party Law Will Not Include Eliminating the Supremacy of the Baath Party
by Ehsani2
for Syria Comment
April 22, 2011

Nearly 23 million Syrians are mesmerized by the recent events engulfing their country.  The seemingly boring, predictable and stable Syrian political scene has suddenly suffered its black swan moment.  Once the lid was removed, stability suddenly turned into an explosion.

It is not easy to think of something intelligent to say which has not already been covered by others.  This forum has been one of the many venues where people’s frustrations, passions, fears and beliefs have boiled to the surface. I believe that all of us Syrians are richer for it.  The objective of this note is to summarize where we stand today. I think that there are two central issues that face the country:

1-     What is the real level of support that the opposition enjoys?

2-     Will the leadership explicitly and unequivocally delete article 8 from the constitution?

In order to answer the first question, I have constructed a simple table. Let us try to answer the following set of questions with a simple yes or no:

Are you a Christian or Alawi?

Yes    or No

Do you consider yourself or your family (based in Syria) to be well off economically or “connected”?

Yes    or No

Are you a Sunni Muslim?

Yes    or No

If you answered yes to either of the first two questions, chances are that you are a supporter of the current Syrian leadership.  Stability and the fear of the unknown are your major concerns.  You are likely to support the reform process but be opposed to changing the leadership.

If you answered yes to the third and second question, then you are torn. You may support a change in leadership but not if it breaks the country apart and/or lead to a severe economic contraction.

If you answered yes to the third and no to the second question, chances are that you have turned your back on the leadership.  You are mostly likely to be a supporter and a sympathizer of the opposition.

Is this ridiculously simplistic?

The answer most likely is yes.  It is a generalization to be sure.  However, I think that it accurately describes the broader trend relatively well. The fact is that the Syrian society is divided on religious (sectarian) and socio economic (or level of connections) grounds.  You are for the leadership if are a Christian/Alawi/well off/connected. You are against if you are a Syria based Sunni/not wealthy/not connected.

Will The Syrian leadership do away with article 8 of the constitution?

I believe that the answer is no.  The leadership needs the party’s support on many fronts. Most critical, however, is the way the party helps elect a sitting President every 7 years.  Here is how it works:

The country’s presidential candidate is appointed by the parliament (167 seats of 250 are reserved for the leading party) on suggestion of the Baath Party, and needs to be confirmed for a seven year term in a national single-candidate referendum.

Make no mistakes about it. The party and the palace will take no chances with this requirement.  A new party law may well see the light of day soon.  It is highly unlikely, however, that the Baath party’s Presidential candidate will run in an open debate and election against the candidates of any new parties.

The current fight on the streets of Syrian cities is an implicit (or even explicit) attempt to resolve the answer to the above question.

Nassim Tableb in The Black Swan:

I discussed Saudi Arabia as a prime case of the calm before the storm and the Great Moderation [the perceived end of economic volatility due to the creation of 20th century banking laws] in the same breath. I was comparing Italy with Saudi Arabia. Italy is an example of mild randomness in comparison with Saudi Arabia and Syria, which are examples of wild randomness. Italy has had 60 changes in regime in the post-war era, but they are inconsequential…. It is a prime example of noise. It’s very Italian and so it’s elegant noise, but it’s noise nonetheless. In contrast, Saudi Arabia and Syria have had the same regime in place for 40 some years. You may think it is stability, but it’s not. Once you remove the lid, the thing explodes. The same kind of thing happens in finance. Take the portfolio of banks. The environment seemed very placid — the Great Moderation — and then the thing explodes.

A note about Homs from a reader:

Dear Mr. Joshua, Concerning the “Christian” who was killed yesterday in Homs. It is not a Christian. It is a Alawite, named Iyad Khalifé, whose pseudonym -as Alawite used to endorse through pious vows- is Elias. He is a colonel in the army and has been shot by the intruders. No Christian was ever killed those last days in Homs. I have made a total review in all our communities in Homs.

Thanking you in advance

MICHAEL YOUNG at WINEP

As the events of the Arab Spring continue to unfold, three key lessons emerge from Lebanon’s experience, especially as it relates to Syria. First, foreign intervention is often necessary for liberation movements to achieve their goals. Taking the historical long view, even the American and Russian revolutionaries did not succeed without outside assistance. The events in Lebanon in 2005 may have reflected an emancipation rather than a revolution, but foreign intervention played a role all the same, just as it did in removing Saddam Hussein and stopping Muammar Qadhafi at the gates of Benghazi.

In 2004 and 2005, Lebanese opposed to the Syrian occupation drew on international legal and political frameworks to sustain their domestic revolt. They helped spur the creation, for example, of UN Security Council Resolution 1559, which called for Syria’s withdrawal from Lebanon and the disarmament of nonstate actors such as Hizballah and Palestinian militias. And through Security Council Resolution 1595, they helped establish an independent investigation into the Hariri assassination. Although the U.S. invasion of Iraq had no direct impact on the spread of freedom in Lebanon, the U.S. military presence on Syria’s eastern border reminded Lebanese citizens of their neighbor’s vulnerability.

LA Times [Reg]: Loyal, secretive security forces keep Syria leader in power
2011-04-21

Reporting from Beirut— Unable to stem a growing popular uprising with promises of reform, ceaseless propaganda and restrictions on the news media, Syria’s government still retains one powerful weapon: the solid support of a secretive web of …

Comments (119)


Off the Wall said:

Ehsani

The current fight on the streets of Syrian cities is an implicit (or even explicit) attempt to resolve the answer to the above question

Thank you very much, especially for the very brief and concise way in describing issues related to Article 8. This is becoming the essence and unless addressed, I do not see an end to the problem. Even if suppressed now, it will resurface many times bigger in the next presidential “election !!!!” cycle and will probably continue as a low intensity but steady struggle in the interim.

History say that there is no way for the Party to win this one out for the long term. Any win is going to be a temporary one, and even then the chances of winning are declining by the day. I know you do not want to make such prediction, but I Do.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:46 am

 

S.S said:

“You are for the leadership if are a Christian/Alawi/well off/connected. You are against if you are a Syria based Sunni/not wealthy/not connected”

I would add Sunni to the first statement as well. I do not want to believe that Sunnis are against the leadership and against minorities. Syria is beautiful in its Mosaic. I have not felt such devisions until the current unrest, perhaps we were divided by religion but the beliefs have boiled to the surface!!!!!

April 22nd, 2011, 10:11 am

 

Nafdik said:

Thank you ehsani for your honest assesment of the situation.

I sadly agree with your simple support predictor based on sect and economic interest.

Some comments:

– using your predictor we have 30% pro 70% against
– a major challenge to the protesters is to attract as many christians but more importantly allawite supportors
– a major challenge to the allawite and christian community is to resist their natural and sometimes justified fears of the majority and join the call to join the rest of syria
– changing the party law is a good step but the real step is the departure of the assad family quartet, as long as they are there all changes are viewed as putting lipstick on a donkey

A big challenge to protestors is to attract allawites to their fold.

April 22nd, 2011, 10:17 am

 

majedkhaldoon said:

The issue of changing #8 will start from the goverment not the parliament,however they both will do what the president tell them to do. The demonstrations will continue till several demands are met.
When # 8 is changed we must have new election,there is a limit to what we can push Bashar to do, confrontation is inevitable.
I dont think that christians will continue to side with the president, they know that they live with the sunni, and they need them,and the sunni need christians too.
It seems that 15 martyr today.
The law to allow demonstrations,is a law to ban demonstrations.
Again the main problem is the oppression and suppresion .

April 22nd, 2011, 10:20 am

 

Atassi said:

HELP HELP
HELP
HELP

We are getting reports “very reliable sources inside the hospital” ..News of Human Right violations in the Watani hospital in HOMS.. This is a Public Hospital” …
and I have some of the names of the violators .. more will be coming

Hospital manager Gussan Tanous
DR Hassan Eid
nurse Iyad Kourdi
nurse Layall

April 22nd, 2011, 10:24 am

 

Shami said:

From the city of Zenobia:

Tell Kalakh:

Today we saw father’s statues toppled and menhebak posters ripped among others:

The great people ,christians and alawites are part of the revolution.
أهالي البيضة يهتفون لأم شهيد مسيحي كلنا ولادك

April 22nd, 2011, 10:42 am

 

syau said:

nafdik,

The major challange is to attract as many christian more importantly alawite supporters; Alawite supporters to their fold?

Who’s fold?
Christians enjoy diversity in Syria. Christians are free to practise their religion without any Islamic interference.
That will never happen under and Islamist government.

As for the Alawites, they have been targeted and slaughtered for hundreds of years by the Islamists. They too are able to practise their religious beliefs safely without interference by the Islamists. During the civil war in Lebanon, the Alawi were targeted. Stories told of Islamists executing them immediately for being Alawi or for not swearing at and degrading their own religion. I think they would rather die than join the Islamist band wagon.

Sunni residents also do not look kindly on the Islamists, most of all the conservative sunni. I doubt they would want to listen to imams constantly preaching, every minute of the day, day in day out.

If the conspiritors behind this so called democratic revolution would have their way, we would have another Saudi Arabia regime on our hands.
Saudi Arabi- Any movement against the government – quashed immediately.
Minor theft – limbs/fingers…cut off. lashings, torture then a jail term imposed.
No rights for women in Saudi Arabia, they are not even allowed out in public without a male relative by their side.

Most of their punishment is apparently referred back to Islamic law. In Islamic law, the only way that punishment is allowed is if the person carrying out the punishment is SIN FREE. I dont think there is one person on Gods green earth that has not sinned, even a minor sin in their entire life, and, the one to come out and say the never have is an outright lier.

The Syrian governmet is a stable, safe and united one. The Arab world and its citizens need unity. Not countries who align themselves with basic enemies of the middle east.

Nobody wants an Islamist run country other than the Islamists themselves. Syrian diversity cannot survive under Saudi type rule.

April 22nd, 2011, 10:48 am

 

jad said:

It’s interesting how many Syrians still use the same delusional thinking of blaming the failures of any action they do on ‘others’ may those ‘others’ be ‘non-arabs’ ‘non-sunni’ ‘non-white’ ‘non-us’ ‘non-non’:
In ‘reality’ not the ‘sectarian voodoo equation’ of this post promoting, 16-20% of the Syrian society has no actual or political or economical power to force their will on the 80% of the Syrians, the army does, the regime that is formed by all Syrian society elements and not only one has this power, not the 20% they are talking about.
To hint that those who belongs to certain sects and religion are the ones who are not letting this uprising to work well is a cheap way to hide the reality that the majority of Syrians regardless of their religious/sect backgrounds are not supporting such move.
Reading comments like #3 prove my point about the detachedness of reality, “only is we, Sunnis/majority, get Christians and Alawite to stand with the ‘HEADLESS’ ‘GOAL LESS’ uprising we will win” Seriously! the ‘VICTORY’ depends on the majority of Alawites who live in poverty like many other Syrians and on the declining, scared and powerless Christians!…GOOD LUCK adding those two ‘useless’ Syrian elements to your uprising and forget about the ‘Rich’ ‘Connected’ Sunnis! you will win for sure!

April 22nd, 2011, 10:56 am

 

Shami said:

SYAU,who told you that post Asad Syria will be an Islamic state?

Asad regime has in fact destroyed the dynamism of the syrian christian community.
They became an archeological community that is used as a post card by the regime,this is humiliation.

April 22nd, 2011, 10:57 am

 

Observer said:

I wrote Dear Ehsani after the death of Assad the father that the greatest task of the young new President is to take Syria where Juan Carlos of Spain took his country after the Franco years and make it a full member of a European union.
He missed the boat and immobilism and entrenched interests have prevailed.
Second point is that the uprising in Syria is fueled also by disenfranchised Baath party members who have been marginilized and displaced by rapacious Alwai connected members of the inner regime circle.
Thirdly, what Samir Aita told me a few years ago is that the regime is drunk with power and that the regime thinks that the country has become their private playground domain; and this is clearly exemplified by the tentacles of corruption that have reached unprecendeted levels.
Fourthly, the security service have been weaned for thirty years or more on violence as the sole means of response; so the fact that they have continued this senseless cycle of repression is an indication of a complete lack of another frame of reference besides violence. The very concept of citizenship and the rule of law is so alien to them as to be considered from Mars.
Finally, 78% of the population is Sunni and therefore there is no doubt that participation in the affairs of state will happen eventually. How and when and after how much bloodshed is not known. The first efforts of the regime were aimed to divide and to separate Kurd from Arab and Druze from Sunni and to rally the Alawi community in a circle of fear of being massacred. This did not happen and there will be members of the Alawi community that will defect. The Christian community is afraid of Salafis but is highly respected by all and understood to be commited to a stable Syria so they will remain neutral.
The train has left the station; there is a need for a complete uprooting of the current regime as it stands that does not mean removal of Assad per se, but truly a constitutional division of powers and the prevalence of the rule of law.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:00 am

 

Shami said:

Islam w Masihiyeh in Yabroud:

April 22nd, 2011, 11:07 am

 

syau said:

Shami,
To make myself perfectly clear, there will not be ‘post Assad’ Syria, like it or not, he will be around for a long time to come.

Secondly, take a look at who is behind this so call democratic revolution : The muslim brotherhood, the Syrian revolution has confirmed activists affiliated to the MB. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, I dont even need to elaborate there. Saad Harriri, another outspoken moron who has hand inhand with Saudi’s king A.

Stunting Syria’s economic growth prevents it from being a larger powerhouse in their playing field. To have one of their losers within Syria, well to say the least, no one will oppose a no fly zone when asked for any objections. They can rule the middle east with their co conspiritors with all their might.

That is a scary thought, but that is one of the points on their agenda. Domination. Another is to isolate Iran, weaken Hizb Allah and continue to grow.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:11 am

 

Fadi said:

I have vented enough regarding sectarianism. Yet another article introduces the topic for discussion. I have many Sunni friends who would be very disappointed to know where I stand if they read my previous post. Unfortunately the unrest had brought this reality to the surface. I have been criticized as being destructive with my dangerous ideas in this forum.

I have to say that Syria has been for everyone and we enjoyed the religious freedom in this country for many years. SYAU is right “Christians enjoy diversity in Syria. Christians are free to practise their religion without any Islamic interference”.

Regarding comment 4. I have to correct you sir. Christians have been living with Alawis for many years sharing villages or having their own ones. Eating the Tanooor bread. Enjoying the Dabke dances and Moaweel songs, dances, Tabel in weddings. We are brothers and sisters. I have never seen anything except lovely people . I swear Alawis can live with any nation on earth. They are amazing people.

You should take a drive and visit these beautiful areas. You are delusional to think that Christians will side with Sunnis for that reason. What a sick mind. Listen Lattakia as an example is a big house for Sunni, Alawi, and Christians.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:18 am

 

Shami said:

SYAU,long or short time ,in the end you acknowledged his fate,this regime will end under the shoes of the syrian and arab people.(asad regime also killed many lebanese and palestinians,more than the zionists did)
Ben Ladanism doesnt exist in Syria or it is very very marginal,and if they exist ,the regime created them through agents like Al Qa3qa3 we reject extremism but your Bashar has become a follower of the khomainist extremist theocracy ,it’s his choice,let him enjoy it.(Khomaini who killed thousands of communists in few days and who was supported with zionist weapons)
It’s a fact that Bashar is a puppet of a theocracy as it’s a fact that the syrian people reject all kinds of extremism,be it of religious or nationalist nature.
SYAU,free yourself from this culture of dissimulation,secrecy and hypocrisy.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:31 am

 

Shami said:

Fadi ,you are an islamophobic christian ,you represent only yourself.
Christian intellectuals believe in the syrian people.
Syrian christianity during these last decades has declined ,in importance and in influence.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:34 am

 

syau said:

Shami,

No, I did not acknowledge any fate for Bashar Assad other than one that will last for a long time to come. In that I mean decades to come. Hopefully more if possible, but I think centuries is asking for too much.

Dissimulation, secrecy and hipocracy, that sounds like you are describing the MB – by the way I refuse from hereon in to call them the muslim brotherhood, for the simple fact that they dont stand for true muslims- in fact, there is nothing muslim about their rational.

As to me, I am a free person, I am free to practise my religion without any interference from the mb, and that is how I would like to keep it. I am also free to listen to music, read books of any religion I choose, watch any t.v channel and am free to turn it off when their die hard Imams come on. I am free not to listen to their calls for Jihad, when the dont even know the true meaning of the word and put it forward in the wrong context. I am free and will always be that way with Bashar Assad as the leader of Syria. Long live Bashar Assad, may he govern Syria to eternity.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:38 am

 

Atassi said:

Made and sponsored by the Assad regime

April 22nd, 2011, 11:52 am

 

syau said:

Atassi,

When was this taken? I dont see anything to show that security forces hurt that poor child. He may have been the unfortunate victim of an accident with that motocycle lying in the middle of the road. What is a young child doing in one of their ‘peaceful demonstrations’ anyway? You cant blame everything on the government, especially without proof, especially a video including a little child being the victim. That is inciting hate and terrorism. His parents were crazy enough to approve of him being in that demonstration, if it was actually in Syria. I would never let my children out in a demonstration, especially with ones that have proven to be violent if past demonstrations were anything to go by.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:57 am

 

Atassi said:

SYAU….

LOL.. That was a good one ” He may have been the unfortunate victim of an accident with that motocycle lying in the middle of the road.” LOL..
And at the same time, I am MAD and furious, and the feeling of the betrayal by my own fellow Syrians is very painful..

((very reliable sources inside the hospital.News of Human Right violations in the Watani hospital in HOMS.. This is a Public Hospital))…
some names:

Hospital manager Gussan Tanous
DR Hassan Eid
nurse Iyad Kourdi
nurse Layall

April 22nd, 2011, 12:17 pm

 
 

Nour said:

It is sad to see that very few people make any attempt to view events in Syria away from divisive trends. And it is increasingly unfortunate that the “revolutionists” and their media supporters have proven to be much more sectarian and divisive than the regime. I have not heard president Assad or any official from the government even once mention the different sects in Syria or try to use it for political exploitation, whereas the “revolutionists” and media “analysts” (I’m using the term analyst very loosely here) have not missed a single opportunity to raise the sectarian issue and use all means and efforts to create and highlight divisions in Syrian society. Such attempts have become so vulgar that even President Bashar al Assad’s reform measures are described in such a repugnantly divisive way as to undermine them altogether and continue to incite Syrians to anger and violence.

When President Assad passed a bill granting undocumented people in Hassakeh Syrian citizenship, it was described as a way to take the Kurds out of the equation, implying that it’s a mere sinister plot by Assad to divide the Syrian opposition. This is both inaccurate and dangerous. It is inaccurate because the fact is that granting undocumented residents of Hassakeh was something that various groups had been discussing with the regime and encouraging Assad to adopt as an important measure to ensure equality among all Syrians. President Assad heeded those calls and did what should be recognized as the right thing. However, continued efforts to undermine and undercut such reforms were being made and thus certain sides felt it would be important to continue to incite Kurds, as well as other Syrians, making them believe that all this is just to shut them up.

When President Assad met with various representatives of different sectors in Syrian society, “analysts” continued to interpret such steps as mere attempts to appease this side or placate that side, only in order to sabotage this great “revolution”. Certain sectarian and ethnic terms continued to be emphasized in order to make sure that divisions in Syrian society are highlighted and strengthened. President Assad’s seriousness about reforms continued to be questioned, with many doubting that he would really put an end to the state of emergency in Syria, which was allegedly a key demand by the protesters. Once the state of emergency was lifted, again it was dismissed as “too little too late” by certain sides that have an interest in sustaining the current chaos and instability. Why exactly it is “too late” remains a mystery. Somehow a month ago it was a key demand but in one month it magically became too late. Yet again a key reform measure was dismissed and the divisions in Syrian society continued to be stressed as a means of continued incitement. The vulgar Robert Fisk, who is a Hariri paid propagandist, insists that the regime in Syria is a “Alawi” regime and therefore a “Shiite” regime, stocking the flames of Sunni-Shiite sectarianism.

All this has made it clear that there is indeed a conspiracy and a sinister plot against Syria, aimed at dividing it and weakening it so that the last state in the Arab world resisting US-“Israeli” hegemony is brought down and resistance against occupation is weakened.

April 22nd, 2011, 12:36 pm

 

jad said:

It’s 7:45pm Syrian time, the prayers finish around 1:30-2pm, 5 hours passed with minor incidents, fewer victims and fewer demonstration than planned, and suddenly in the last 30min or so lots of killing, using of arms and many victims.
Isn’t it a bit fishy to anybody? I mean it looks as if when things didn’t go as ‘great’ as they wanted to be, the gun shot started in all areas at the same time, attacking army and security location and retaliation by the security and shooting by ‘unidentified’ groups.
Why?
Is it that the regime has schizophrenia and only use his guns at certain times against certain people in certain areas out of it’s own craziness to make things worse for itself?
Or is it that the peaceful elements of the organizers noticed that things are not as violence as promoted and they didn’t get enough Syrian blood to use so they initiates the use of arms by their peaceful personnels?

It doesn’t make any sense to me.

April 22nd, 2011, 12:46 pm

 

Nour said:

Jad,

I think it’s been pretty clearly established that there are armed elements within the “Revolutionists”. I mean when Haitham Manna admits he was offered weapons, there is no doubt that someone is attempting to create chaos in Syria. If Haitham Manna was offered weapons, then others were too. And if Haitham Manna refused the weapons, that doesn’t mean others did also.

April 22nd, 2011, 12:51 pm

 

atassi said:

Nour and Jad…
The only armed elements we seeing in action are within the“regime”.

April 22nd, 2011, 1:00 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

The number of death rose to 49
Shabbeeha attacked peaceful demonstrators,
We should expect condemnation from the security council

April 22nd, 2011, 1:15 pm

 

Nour said:

ATASSI:

Do you believe Haitham Al Manna that he was offered weapons?

April 22nd, 2011, 1:21 pm

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

Not only that this regime is a dead man walking, but now they are paving their ways to a The Hague special tribunal, or worse, a (post Ba’ath) Syrian court, for “crimes against humanity” charges.

I really expected more from Bashar. I thought and hoped that he’s wiser than that. Can’t he learn from history? Doesn’t he know by now, what is the fate of Arab dictators who kill their own peoples?
.

April 22nd, 2011, 1:21 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Can’t he learn from history?

Amir,

Tell us the history of his father and Hama. If there are lessons to be learned, it is that slaughtering THOUSANDS of Syrians is no big deal. Just be lucky you live in Israel.

April 22nd, 2011, 1:25 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Questions a Zionist might Ask

What is a young child doing in one of their ‘peaceful demonstrations’ anyway? You cant blame everything on the government, especially without proof, especially a video including a little child being the victim. That is inciting hate and terrorism. His parents were crazy enough to approve of him being in that demonstration, if it was actually in Syria. I would never let my children out in a demonstration, especially with ones that have proven to be violent if past demonstrations were anything to go by.

SYAU,

Not that I necessarily disagree with you here, but your questions sound strikingly similar to those we Zionists have.

Now you know how we feel.

As far as that child is concerned, his whole skull looked crushed. It certainly didn’t look like a bullet wound. Awful.

April 22nd, 2011, 1:36 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Jad

Do you think that the ‘opposition’ can afford peaceful demonstrations? they have been trying lately to distort the messages of “freedom” and “against corruption” to “Down with Bashar”. Despite these attempts, Al Jazeera usually biased against the regime, affirms that the protesters do not ask for the removal of Bashar. This is confirmed by many analysts.

Therefore the opposition appears divided in their announced aim. There doesn’t seem to get enough international political support except from some medias and human rights organizations.

There has been no defections in the army and the police. The regime is united. I really wonder where the ‘opposition’ is hoping for.
Bashar has made changes that are recognized and praised internationally. The question is the ability of the system to transform itself into a negotiated and progressive democracy.

Only a negotiation between Bashar and the opposition can save the country, not violence. Who would represent the opposition?
Who can play the intermediary?

April 22nd, 2011, 1:49 pm

 

Majhool said:

Ehsani,
In general, i agree with your assessment. However could you please better define well-off… say north of $3 million? what is the % of those?

Store owners, middle of the way merchants, and ex-expats, constitute a large segment of upper-middle-class in syria are you counting them in?

Thanks

April 22nd, 2011, 2:47 pm

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

WD,

The fact that so far “There has been no defections in the army and the police”, is insignificant in this rapidly changing, and fluid situation. This could be flipped in a matter of hours. Don’t grasp at straws.

There’s an Arab pattern emerging, that the Reactionaries and the Ba’athists on SC and around, ignore. Syria is no different. Syria is not immune.

The Reactionary Ba’athists totally ignore the psychological aspect of all this. Those military and security services men, are firstly Syrian citizens, only secondly they are Ba’ath employees. They too have souls. They are no Ba’ath’s robots.
.

April 22nd, 2011, 2:47 pm

 

Atassi said:

Nour..
I don’t trust any of the outside opposition groups .. sorry I can’t answer this question

April 22nd, 2011, 3:00 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Amir in Tel Aviv

If there are major defections, then it is another game and we may see some of these defectors becoming leaders of the opposition instead of the FB elusive leaders. That would be a major step for the opposition and .. for negotiation.
It’s fluid but how long your reckon we should wait? Days, weeks?

April 22nd, 2011, 3:18 pm

 

Badr said:

Syria’s spontaneously organised protests

“Several of the dissidents agreed that while connecting with religious networks was important, their movement was secular.

They reject the traditional opposition groups and figures, such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Rifaat al-Assad,”

April 22nd, 2011, 4:27 pm

 

N.Z. said:

I think the son has one last card to play, to have a scapegoat, a fat one.

The brother, brother in law or the cousin, a deja vue situation that happened during the Hama massacre, when Rifaat was exiled. Perhaps its too late.

There are three categories in this uprising in the way they see the events unfolding, the first one believes that what has been achieved so far is significant, and time will tell. The second one thinks that this is not enough and more is needed to achieve promised reform. While the third one will not rest until regime changed is achieved, because this regime is hopeless.

I agree with Atassi, there are no infiltrators in the uprising, but they are negotiations going on behind doors. Dirty powers who wants a stable Syria, but the price for president Bashar will be high. The question is: is he ready to give away any of his coalitions, and if he did what guarantees will he have.

Those outside powers are colonialists, opportunists, at least his people, will not turn on him, because the majority so far are silence.

Appeasing the people will buy him time. Guranteed. Appeasing the west is a loose loose situation always. He has major powers around him to support him. Turkey and Iran. The winning card is the voice of the people, hope wisdom will prevail.

April 22nd, 2011, 4:28 pm

 

Norman said:

This is what we will be getting in Syria if the opposition, like some of the people here, take over by violence.

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الالاف يتظاهرون في محافظة قنا المصرية ضد تعيين محافظ مسيحي

أ. ف. ب. GMT 15:21:00 2011 الجمعة 22 أبريل

تظاهر عشرات الاف من المصريّين في شوارع مدينة قنا جنوب البلاد، وقطعوا خطوط السكك الحديدية للمطالبة باقالة المحافظ المسيحي الذي عين قبل اسبوع.

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القاهرة: خرج عشرات الاف المتظاهرين الى شوارع مدينة قنا جنوب مصر الجمعة وقطعوا خطوط السكك الحديدية للمطالبة باقالة المحافظ المسيحي الذي عين قبل اسبوع، حسب ما افاد مسؤولون في الشرطة.

واندلعت الاحتجاجات يوم الجمعة الماضي بعد تعيين عماد ميخائيل وهو نائب مدير امن الجيزة السابق، محافظا لقنا التي يقطنها عدد كبير من الاقباط المسيحيين.

ورغم تباين دوافع المحتجين الا ان مشاركة الاسلاميين المتشددين في هذه الاحتجاجات اثارت مخاوف من مواجهات طائفية في المحافظة التي شهدت في السابق توترا وخصوصا الاعتداء على المصلين الاقباط في مدينة نجع حمادي بعد خروجهم من قداس عيد الميلاد في السادس من كانون الثاني/يناير 2010 ما اسفر عن مقتل ستة منهم اضافة الى شرطي مسلم.

وذكر مسؤولون في الشرطة ان المحتجين تجمعوا امام مقر المحافظة وعززوا اعداد المتظاهرين المعتصمين فوق السكة الحديد رغم دعوات خطباء الجمعة لهم بانهاء الاعتصام.

وقال عدد من المتظاهرين انه كان من المفترض ان يستشاروا في تعيين محافظ جديد خاصة عند تعيين محافظ له خلفية من العمل مع قوات الشرطة.

وبث التلفزيون الرسمي مقابلات مع متظاهرين نفوا ان يكونوا من الاسلاميين، الا ان الاسقف كيريلوس من مدينة نجع حمادي المجاورة صرح لوكالة فرانس برس ان “الاحتجاجات طائفية .. ويقودها سلفيون واعضاء من الاخوان المسلمين، وهم يهتفون +لن نرحل قبل ان يرحل المسيحيون+”.

وقال الاسقف الذي كان متواجدا اثناء الهجوم على كنيسة نجع حمادي في كانون الثاني/يناير 2010، ان المسيحيين يخشون من تعرضهم لمزيد من الهجمات.

الا ان رجل الدين السلفي البارز عبد المنعم الشحات نفى في القاهرة ان يكون السلفيون هم من يتزعمون احتجاجات قنا.

وقال “الناس يعترضون عليه (المحافظ الجديد) بسبب خلفيته الامنية وكذلك لانه تم تعيينه وكأن هناك حصة للاقباط وقنا هي التي تحظى دائما بهذه الحصة”.

واضاف ان “ديني يحرم ان يتولى امري نصراني، ولكن اذا كانت لديه شعبية فساكون مستعدا لان اضع الاعتراض الديني جانبا”.

ويرى العديد من علماء المسلمين انه لا يجوز ان يتولى مسيحي او امرأة حكم دولة اسلامية.

ولم يتمكن وزير الداخلية منصور العيسوي، الذي زار مدينة قنا الاحد، من حل الازمة.

وذكر التلفزيون الرسمي ان رئيس الوزراء عصام شرف يستعد لترؤس وفد يزور قنا في محاولة لتهدئة الازمة.

ويشكل الاقباط ما بين 6% الى 10% من اجمالي سكان مصر البالغ عددهم 82 مليونا.

وتذكر احداث قنا بالتوترات الطائفية في مصر.

وفي موقعه على تويتر قال رجل الاعمال الملياردير نجيب سويرس الذي اعلن تشكيل حزب المصريين الاحرار عقب الاطاحة بالرئيس حسني مبارك في ثورة شعبية، ان احتجاجات قنا تظهر ان المسيحي لا يحظى باية فرصة بان يصبح رئيسا للبلاد.

وقال “للذين يقولون ان علي الترشح للرئاسة: اذا كان من غير الممكن ان يكون لنا محافظ قبطي في قنا، فكيف يكون لنا رئيس في مصر؟”

http://www.elaph.com/Web/news/2011/4/648990.html

إغلاق النافذة

April 22nd, 2011, 4:29 pm

 
 

Shami said:

Norman ,it will take a decade of freedom to make these people open minded and tolerant as were their grandparents .The egyptians and syrians have been brainwashed since their childhood by irrational propaganda which is not different from that used by the islamists.

April 22nd, 2011, 4:49 pm

 

jad said:

Is what I read real: 70 innocent Syrians were killed in the last couple hours? 70, 70, 70!!!! it`s a massacre.
Why to kill protesters? What gain can anybody get from all this killing, and if the regime doing that, how is that helping keeping it in power, it actually do the opposite, with every drop of blood the regime is sinking more into it’s own end.
Who is running security in Syria? isn’t the government responsible of protecting it’s people? how killing 70 Syrians can make any other Syrian feel safe?
There is no logic whatsoever in anything happening in Syria, it`s hopeless.
I hate Fridays!

April 22nd, 2011, 4:54 pm

 

jad said:

عدد الشهداء في تزايد مستمر وقد وصل العدد الى 70 شهيد على الاقل وهذه الاسماء التي وصلتنا حتى اللحظة …

مدينة إزرع
1- إحسان الحلقي
2- أنور العبيد
3- نزار سليمان
4- طاهر موفق الحريري
5- سفيان بهجت الحريري
6- سفيان سليمان
7- عادل التوفيق
8- ابراهيم القلاب
9- بلال الشوحة
10- حسين علي دياب
11- عبد الغفار شحاده
12- قاسم محمد اسعد
13-ا محمد مفلح سليمان الجراد
14- محمد علي ذياب

الحراك
1- أسامة الحراكي

المعضمية
1-عبد المنعم قرقورة
2- مازن قرقورة
3- احمد الشيخ
4- سليمان ابراهيم
5- احمد الغندور
6 – محمود معتوق
7 – احمد معتوق
8- الطفل ضياء هزاع
9 – إياد صوان

دوما
1- خلدون الدروبي
2- محمد خالد الساعور
3- محمد الديرواني
4- سليم طلال القلاع
5- عبد الله فوزي القلاع

برزة
1 – كمال بركات

الحجر الاسود
1- محمد الحمزات
2- يمان طراد الآغا
3- محمد مصطفى رعد
4- محمد عدنان الآغا
5- عيسى مصطفى الرعد البحتري

زملكا
1- وائل عرييتي
2- أحمد المملوك
3 – عز الدين النداف
4- أحمد جبارة
5- محمد الفتال

حرستا
1- علي درويش
2- محمد دخيل الله
3- خالد حمادة – جبعدين

جوبر
1- الشهيد عمر الحمصي

حمص
1- فواز الحركي
2- معتز روبا
3- جدوع العمر
4- عمار السلمان
5- رامز كاخيا أنس
6- سامي حاج حسن
7- محمد خضير الشيخ
8- محمد بشار الكحيل
9- محمود الجوري
10- عبد الرحمن فردوس القاضي
11- محمد المحمد
12- رضوان عبد الكريم لالو،
13- سالم بكور
14- علاء عرابي
15- شاب من عائلة حرفوش
16- شاب من عائلة الطويل

حماة
الشهيد صهيب سوتل
الشهيد زكريا محمد الحلاق
الشهيد محمد خليف
وهناك شهداء آخرين لكن قوات الأمن تمنع أخذهم من المستشفيات ولم نعلم أسمائهم بعد

April 22nd, 2011, 5:01 pm

 

jad said:

…لا للعنف

As a respect for every Syrian soul we lost I`m going to stop writing any comment on SC for three days.

May God rest the souls of every Syrian we lost in peace and Protect Syria and it`s people from all evil.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:07 pm

 

Shami said:

Dear Mouna,here is a video related to your picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbec_OXIWqI&feature=share

Also ,the demonstrations have reached the centers of non-sunni communities such as Suweidaa and Salamiyeh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O4XHyxR-_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9QAvr3jP_w

The regime is trying hard to make the things look otherwise .
But our people inside have proved to be aware of his dirty tricks.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:07 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

The death toll today is 84,died at the hands of oppression forces, People must be able to defend themslves.Blood will not be spilled in vain.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:11 pm

 

Abu Wael said:

Joshua,
You assumptions that most christians are supporters of the regime is simply unfounded and wrong. Most of my christian friends are supporting the freedom uprising. However I understand your statistics could be biased since many anti-goverment do not dare to speak freely, and the few who prefer the “stabilty” are big mouths!!

April 22nd, 2011, 5:12 pm

 

Leo said:

Nour,

You keep saying that Haitham al-Manaa admitted to being offered weapons and this is evidence of a sinister plot from the outside to divide Syria. You keep repeating it over and over in your posts in pure propaganda and fear mongering fashion.

First, there exists, and always has, group of warlords who contemplate places of instability in order to exploit the situation and sell their arms. These people are not driven purpose or motive of destroying those certain place but their purpose is to maximize their profits and doing so generally results in chaos and havoc.

If you take what Haitham al-Manaa said in context of his whole speech, you will realize what he was trying to say is that the opposition was offered weapons but THEY REFUSED OVER AND OVER because they believe that the only way to truly succeed is for the uprising to be non-violent. Stop assuming that it is only people who have the sole purpose to destroy Syria would offer arms because in reality, most of these warlords wouldn’t give a damn if it was Syria or Bangladesh that has the turmoil, they only want to sell.

Now given that, you should be proud that these demonstrators have accumulated over 300 deaths (over 80 deaths just today) and they are still sticking to their demands using non-violent means. If until now you are still not proud and grateful for what these people are doing as means to their legitimate demands, then all I have to say is shame on you for calling your self a Syrian Nationalist and claim to be neutral, because you are not.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:12 pm

 

Majed97 said:

Here are few more questions:

1.Should Islamic law (Shariaa) be enforced in Syria?
2.How would you define freedom and democracy?
3.Do you believe all Syrians (including devil worshipers) should have EQUAL rights?
4.How can we ensure that the constitution will remain secular
5.What measures should be in place to ensure that power is not monopolized by any group

If you answer yes to question 1, then go no further and don’t even bother addressing the other questions…just allow the rest of us enough time to kiss our behinds goodbye.

I’m not sure what the exact consensus among the demonstrators is, but my hunch tells me that the large majority of them are likely to answer “yes” to question 1. Why do I think that? Because of their chants (Allah Akbar ), gathering places (mosques), and timing of protest (Fridays), not to mention their leadership (religious scholars and imams). Unlike Egypt and Tunisia, this so called “revolution” in Syria is loaded with religious fanatics, which is why I believe it is doomed to fail.

I believe in reform, but for me reform must be gradual and completely secular. I think there are many like me, who are Sunni by birth but secular by choice, who want to be part of a civilized and progressive society that is inclusive of all beliefs and ideologies. In my opinion, that’s why the large majority of Syrians are not buying into this suspicious movement, which has its roots outside the country, and fueled by radical Islamists inside Syria. Let’s not fool ourselves into believing there is a place for us in the new Syria this “revolution” is proposing.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:13 pm

 

S.S said:

Norman,

The opposition will not take over, never, ever, ever……There are several possibilities here:

1. Long years of unrest….The time is government’s best friend now as they will advance there reform hoping that it will be enough for the opposition. Will here some international condemns now and then

2. UN interference: Less likely…..Due to the different sectors of the Syrian society this could end up even worse and more costly than Iraq. 2008 witnessed the world economic collapse. USA just started to remove the dust of poor economy, thanks for the relative stability in Iraq now. People in the US wants to close the Iraqi tale and not interested in having another fairytale. So forget it; the best the opposition can wish is west’s-hand shaking but no hugs

3. Let us assume that the west will go to UN….They formed an army…Arabs will support that (money, army)….. This well set Israel, Lebanon, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi, Iraq on fire…..This is going to be nasty…..very nasty Shiite and Sunni war that god only knows the consequences…….There is not way…no way…..no way the west would be dragged to such war.

4. Syria is very strong…..majority of people wants this to be over…minority have legitimate concerns that are being addressed by the government. Despite all the media conspiracy of shabeeha, army conducting violence. With respect this is all lie. We have seen the death toll from both sides. If the army was shooting as opposition and media is broadcasting, one would expect at least 10.000 death…well it is 9 here and 2 there.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:21 pm

 

Shami said:

from where these paranoid mini sectarian people are coming from?
we never saw them on SC prior to these events.
to those i say ,keep your scare propaganda for yourselves !

April 22nd, 2011, 5:45 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Leo

“Now given that, you should be proud that these demonstrators have accumulated over 300 deaths (over 80 deaths just today) …”

Nobody sane can be proud of ‘accumulating’ death.. You sound like an extremist who rejoice and take pride in the death of the innocents for the cause. If you are part of the “opposition”, then God preserve Syria from people like you! I think you need help.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:50 pm

 

Nour said:

LEO:

I am not propagating that Haitham al Manna was offered weapons; HE said he was offered weapons by specific people. Those people were not a general group of warlords who didn’t care where they sent the weapons. They were figures with a specific agenda for SYRIA. You said the opposition refused, but WHICH opposition? Haitham al Manna refused. But can Haitham al Manna guarantee that every other person offered weapons refused them? This is not propaganda, so spare me your lectures and your moral righteousness. There are army and security officers that have been killed; somebody killed these persons, and I find it very difficult to believe that the regime killed them, and such claims are themselves propaganda against the regime. Moreover, I never claimed I was “neutral”. I operate from the perspective of what is best for SYRIA. I criticize whoever undermines Syria’s interest and praise whoever furthers it.

April 22nd, 2011, 5:55 pm

 
 

why-discuss said:

Leo

I think it is a waste of time. The people like you have decided that the opposition is clean and innocent and the government is guilty of all evils happening.
So you would interpret any event through that glasses.
I\’ll stop posting my thoughts to let you pour your hatred, your sickening videos and your ‘accumulated’ count of death. Enjoy the space!

April 22nd, 2011, 6:06 pm

 

Sophia said:

#22 Jad,

Only two facts can make it possible for the Syrian revolution to be present in the headlines, numbers of protesters and/or violence.

Numbers have not been impressive until now.

Now one can wonder if the violence is only coming from the regime and in this case I think the regime is mistaken to resort to violence because it is helping the protests. There is also a possibility that violence is also coming from protesters and the regime is responding with violence and this is why there are no women and no children in these protests.

April 22nd, 2011, 6:13 pm

 

sami Othmani said:

as long as al-shabiha and their gangs are around, whatever the answer is, it will not make any difference. bashar will go now or later by his own will or by people or most probably by assassination….the regime will collapse and the country will dive in sectarian war led by maher alssad….

April 22nd, 2011, 6:16 pm

 

Amir in Tel Aviv said:

This expiring regime is also a criminal regime now. I watched YouTube and FB channels, and didn’t see even one protester carrying arms. Not one !!!

Using the security services to shoot at protesters will only make the sealed fate of this regime, come sooner. What do they think for god sake? That they can send Syrians to kill Syrians, and that this will not have consequences ?

For how long do they think they can use those men to shoot on fellow countrymen? For a very limited period of time. Ba’athists understand nothing about human nature. Unfortunately.

Tomorrow, more than 80 funerals will be held. Expect more protest.
.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:02 pm

 

syau said:

Sophia,

If previous demonstrations are anything to go by, the violence is definately comming from the protesters. If anything the security forces need to secure order, so, unfortunate enough as it is violence is escalated.

The Syrian revolution need to sensationalise these protests in order to gain recognition. It doesn’t serve their purpose to have peaceful demonstrations, because anything of a peaceful nature in this day and age does not get any significant coverage or incite hate.

There agenda was to make this a sectarian issue to begin with. That is the quickest way they can feul hatred, incite terror and violence and spark a war that will have Syrian turn against fellow Syrian. The President Bashar Assad stated in his first speech that they are trying to turn this sectarian. It is not. Unfortunately some were so ready to promote this into being such.

It is nothing but an attempt to destabalise Syria. If the mb can put their ugle little heads in it and have Syrians infighting, then they will take every oppertunity to do so.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:08 pm

 

SyrianStatement said:

https://www.facebook.com/SyrianStatement

فقط الذين لا يرون ولا يسمعون يستطيعون اليوم أن لا يلاحظوا إلى أي مدى وصل التجييش والانقسام في المجتمع السوري، هذا التجييش والانقسام الذي عمل كل من النظام والمعارضة على تعميقه عبر تجاهله، وعبر اعتبار نفسه حقا مطلقا والآخر شرا مطلقا.

والشعب السوري، دون استثناء على أي مستوى، بات قاب قوسين أو أدنى من أن يدفع ثمنا باهظا نتيجة لغياب العقل شبه المطلق، سيبدو الثمن الذي دفعه آخرون في بلدان أخرى مجرد نزهة أمامه. ويكفي لتأكيد ذلك مراجعة ما قاله المعارضون أنفسهم خلال السنوات الماضية حول الواقع في سورية، سواء مجتمعيا، مدنيا، أو قوة النظام وإمكانياته..

وانطلاقا من مسؤولية كل سوري وسورية عن كل قطرة دم تسفح، وعن كل النتائج التي سوف تترتب على ما سيحدث خلال الوقت القريب القادم، يستوي في ذلك الجميع من حيث تحمل المسؤولية..

فإننا، نحن الموقعين/ات على هذا البيان، نعلن موقفنا الواضح والصريح مما يجري:

1- على المظاهرات أن تتوقف فورا لمدة خمس عشرة يوما تشكل نوعا من فرصة للنظام السوري أن يثبت جدية القرارات التي اتخذها، وينجز الإجراءات الأخرى الموعودة. ولا تعود المظاهرات خلال هذه الفترة إلا في حالة واحدة: ثبوت قيام النظام بحملة اعتقالات للنشطاء أو المشاركين في المظاهرات.
وفي حال عدم توقف المظاهرات وإعطاء فرصة للنظام، فهذا يعني أن المطالب لا تتعلق بإصلاحات مهما كانت جذرية، إنما هو إسقاط للنظام ككل، بكل ما يفتحه ذلك من احتمالات بتنا نعرفها جيدا.

2- على النظام أن يبرهن فورا على جديته وعدم رغبته بالالتفاف على القرارات الهامة التي اتخذها، وذلك عبر:
– التعديل الفوري للمرسوم التشريعي رقم 54 لعام 2011 المتضمن تنظيم حق التظاهر، بحيث يكون ديمقراطيا فعلا ومناسبا لتأمين الحق بالتظاهر دون تحويل هذه الحق إلى معجزة غير قابلة للتحقق.
– تعديل المرسوم التشريعي رقم 55 لعام 2011، المتضمن تعديل اختصاص الضابطة العدلية، فهي قد تحولت إلى “حاكم عرفي” جديد باسم مدني.
– إطلاق سراح كافة المعتقلين السياسيين ومعتقلي الرأي، وتحويل كل من اتهم بجرائم جنائية إلى المحاكم المدنية فورا. وتصفية آثار قانون الطوارئ ومحكمة الدولة العليا (الحرمان من الحقوق المدنية والسياسية والحرمان من السفر و..).
– إطلاق مبادرة فورية لإنهاء ملف الممنوعين من العودة إلى سورية.
– إقرار قوانين الأحزاب، الجميعات، الإعلام.. على أسس ديمقراطية حقيقية.
– إطلاق محاسبة واسعة النطاق حول كل من مارس عنفا خلال الفترة الماضية، محاسبة علنية وحاسمة، سواء كان من قيادات الأمن، أو من المتهمين بحمل السلاح في المظاهرات أو حولها.

وفي الوقت نفسه، نطالب كافة وسائل الإعلام، والأشخاص الذين يتكلمون عبر وسائل الإعلام المحلية أو العربية أو الدولية، من الموالاة والمعارضة (ضمنا الإخبارية السورية والفضائية السورية)، التوقف فورا عن استخدام أية عبارات أو كلمات تحريضية أو تخوينية أو تمس بأي شكل باتهام الطرف الآخر بأي شكل كان. والتركيز فقط على مفاتيح الحل الواقعية بعيدا عن الأوهام حول سقوط النظام، أو التمرد السلفي المسلح..

إن غياب الثقة بما يفعله النظام أمر مبرر عبر عقود من غيابها، إلا أن الفرصة الآن ممكنة للتأكد من جدية الإصلاحات. وبما أن الشارع ما يزال موجودا، ولم يعد من الممكن إغلاقه في وجه الناس، فإن العودة إلى الشارع بعد هذه الفرصة، قائمة تماما. وربما ستكون، في حال عدم تطبيق النظام لوعوده بشكل دقيق، أوسع نطاقا إلى حد بعيد..

إننا، نحن الموقعين/ات على هذا البيان، نحمل النظام السوري، وكل من أشخاص المعارضة، وكل متظاهر، كامل المسؤولية الأخلاقية والجنائية ما لم يبادر الجميع إلى تدارك اللحظة التي وصلنا إليها بعقلانية وحرص على وحدة سورية وإيقاف انحدارها نحو العنف المنلفت من عقاله.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:09 pm

 

Mouna said:

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
April 22, 2011
Statement by the President on Syria

The United States condemns in the strongest possible terms the use of force by the Syrian government against demonstrators. This outrageous use of violence to quell protests must come to an end now. We regret the loss of life and our thoughts are with the families and loved ones of the victims, and with the Syrian people in this challenging time.
The Syrian Government’s moves yesterday to repeal Syria’s decades-old Emergency Law and allow for peaceful demonstrations were not serious given the continued violent repression against protesters today. Over the course of two months since protests in Syria began, the United States has repeatedly encouraged President Assad and the Syrian Government to implement meaningful reforms, but they refuse to respect the rights of the Syrian people or be responsive to their aspirations. The Syrian people have called for the freedoms that all individuals around the world should enjoy: freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, and the ability to freely choose their leaders. President Assad and the Syrian authorities have repeatedly rejected their calls and chosen the path of repression. They have placed their personal interests ahead of the interests of the Syrian people, resorting to the use of force and outrageous human rights abuses to compound the already oppressive security measures in place before these demonstrations erupted. Instead of listening to their own people, President Assad is blaming outsiders while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria’s citizens through the same brutal tactics that have been used by his Iranian allies. We call on President Assad to change course now, and heed the calls of his own people.
We strongly oppose the Syrian government’s treatment of its citizens and we continue to oppose its continued destabilizing behavior more generally, including support for terrorism and terrorist groups. The United States will continue to stand up for democracy and the universal rights that all human beings deserve, in Syria and around the world.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:11 pm

 

Ammar said:

for your information Christians are not supporting the regime because they are benefiting of it …they do because the opposition is a radical movements and every person Muslim was or Christian knows that those people are bunch of radical opportunists and have no good intention for Syria what so ever …the emergency law was lifted and the Parties Act is in its way !! why demonstrate any more in such violent way ? why they ignored taking permission before they go out demonstrating today (and attacking Police stations in Homs)
because we are not Switzerland? well we are not but i grantee to you that even if we were Switzerland they will not be happy till to convert it to Saudi Arabia of Taliban Afghanistan

but i have to agree with you that people who are demonstrating are mostly poor Muslims who is the state’s mistake to have all this poverty and anger control those people and subject them to the dark forces of MB and others , however they are not demonstrating against that they are only using it to change the regime because they are full of hatred and anger …anger and hatred will never bring prosperity and freedom to the country it will bring only more anger and more killing and it will keep every one away from them .

it will take more than naming it the great Friday to show they are not bunch of radical to gain Christian support . as a final word Christian in Syria are very spiritual and refuse violence as part of their faith so even if they support them it will be symbolic support which is very effective .

PS. the Christian Police officer who is killed today is one of my friend’s relative and he was protecting his unit when he died. god bless his sole and every one died in this blessed ‘revolution’

April 22nd, 2011, 7:14 pm

 
 
 

Nour said:

Syria News is reporting a total of 12 killed including 2 police officers.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:18 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

Bashar is running out of arrows in his quiver,his choices are diminishing,more violence,more concessions, resign and leave to save hif wife and kids,if he is smart,he will learn from what happened to other dictators,now that president Obama is condemning him,he must see the end.FEAR is present only in the heart of his supporters.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:35 pm

 

why-discuss said:

The parts I find the most significant:

“while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria’s citizens through the same brutal tactics that have been used by his Iranian allies.”

” and we continue to oppose its continued destabilizing behavior more generally, including support for terrorism and terrorist groups.”

It shows exactly what they are aiming at ( demonizing Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah). It looks like there has been some negotiations going on in the backgound. The blackmail: NO TO IRAN, NO TO HEZBOLLAH, NO TO HAMAS, YES TO ISRAEL AND WE LET YOU STAY.
From the tone of this text, Bashar seems to still stand by his ideas and the White house pressed by Israel is showing its teeth to put more pressure on him.
I wonder how this is going to help the opposition: The support of the US in crushing the Bashar AND the resistance?

April 22nd, 2011, 7:51 pm

 

Mouna said:

Majedkhaldoun #62

I agree with you but I’m sure SYAU will one more time tell us B will be there for “many, many years to come”. I would just like him to offer a scenario for those many many years to come. I mean, every demonstration where deaths occur is followed by funerals where more death occurs. So sorry but I can’t see how this could die down or if things will ever return to how they were before in order for B to stay many many years to come.
Could you please present a realistic scenario, SYAU, of how you believe things will proceed for him to stay many many years to come?

April 22nd, 2011, 7:51 pm

 

Nour said:

غسان بن جدو يستقيل من «الجزيرة»

علمت «السفير»، من مصادر موثوقة، ان مدير مكتب بيروت في قناة «الجزيرة» غسان بن جدو قدم استقالته منها.
وفيما رفض بن جدو نفي خبر الاستقالة او تأكيده، أكدت المصادر أنه تقدم بكتاب الاستقالة خطيا منذ أيام، وأرجعت قرار بن جدو إلى جملة أسباب، أهمها «أن قناة الجزيرة أنهت حلماً كاملاً من المهنية والموضوعية، وباتت تلك المهنية في الحضيض، بعدما خرجت «الجزيرة» عن كونها وسيلة إعلام، وتحولت إلى غرفة عمليات للتحريض والتعبئة».
ومن الأسباب أيضا، بحسب المصادر، هو «أن ما يجري في قناة الجزيرة من سياسات تحريضية لا مهنية أمر غير مقبول على الإطلاق، خاصة في ظل المفصل التاريخي الذي تمر فيه المنطقة، كما أن تعاطيها مع الملفات المتراكمة في المنطقة يضع كل ما نسجته «الجزيرة» بعرق أبنائها في الساحات والميادين، محل شك واستفهام كبيرين».
وأشارت المصادر إلى منطلق أخلاقي لاستقالة بن جدو، إذ كيف يمكن أن يقبل أن يتم التعاطي بكثافة وتسليط الضوء على ليبيا واليمن وسوريا، ولا تتم الإشارة من قريب أو بعيد إلى ما يحصل في البحرين، على الرغم من أن في البحرين دماء تسيل.
وعما إذا كانت الاستقالة مرتبطة بالسياسة التي تنتهجها «الجزيرة» حيال سوريا، أوضحت المصادر أن ما يعرف عن بن جدو، أن القضية مبدئية وأخلاقية بالنسبة إليه، وذكرت أنه بعد اغتيال الرئيس رفيق الحريري وضع لمدة سنة ونصف سنة على لائحة الممنوعين من دخول سوريا، فضلا عن أن ما يعرف عنه، وما ينقل عنه، يؤكد أنه يناصر التحركات القائمة في شوارع سوريا من أجل الحرية والإصلاح، ويعتبر أن للسوريين الحق في ذلك، ولكنه يناصر في المقابل المشروع القومي والوطني الكبير لسوريا.

April 22nd, 2011, 7:52 pm

 

Nour said:

أنباء عن عشرات القتلى والجرحى … ومحاولة اعتداء على كنيسة في دمشق
سوريا: تظاهرات واسعة وهجمات على الأمن واشنطن وباريس ولندن تدعو لتلبية مطالب الإصلاح

سوريون يشيّعون في الحسكة أمس شرطياً قتل في درعا (أ ب أ)

متظاهرون في حمص أمس (أ ب)
تحدث نشطاء وشهود عيان عن مقتل وإصابة العشرات في تظاهرات جرت في سوريا، في وقت طالبت وزارة الداخلية السورية أمس السوريين بعدم التظاهر إلا بعد الحصول على إذن مسبق من الجهات المختصة، وفيما ذكرت وكالة الأنباء السورية (سانا) إن عناصر الشرطة تدخلت لفض إشكالات وقعت بين مشاركين في التظاهرات وبعض المواطنين، أوقعت قتلى وجرحى من عناصر الشرطة والدفاع المدني في هجمات استهدفتهم.
وفي تطور لافت، تحدث شهود عيان أمس عن محاولة مجموعة من «المخربين يحملون أسلحة الدخول إلى كنيسة الصليب في القصّاع في دمشق، وقامت قوى الأمن بالتصدّي لهم بمساندة شباب المنطقة».
وقال الرئيس الأميركي باراك أوباما، في بيان، «لا بد من وضع نهاية الآن لهذا الاستخدام المفرط للعنف لإخماد الاحتجاجات. بدلا من الاستماع لشعبه ينحي الرئيس (السوري بشار) الأسد باللائمة على أطراف خارجية في الوقت الذي يسعي فيه للحصول على مساعدة إيرانية لقمع المواطنين السوريين من خلال الأساليب الوحشية نفسها التي يستخدمها حلفاؤه الإيرانيون».
وأعرب البيت الأبيض عن قلقه بشأن العنف في سوريا، ودعا الحكومة السورية وكافة الأطراف إلى وقف الاضطرابات. وقال المتحدث باسمه جاي كارني «نستنكر استخدام العنف»، مضيفا إن الولايات المتحدة تراقب الوضع عن كثب. وأضاف «ندعو الحكومة السورية إلى وقف استخدام العنف والامتناع عنه، وندعو جميع الأطراف إلى وقف استخدام العنف والامتناع عنه». كما دعا الحكومة السورية إلى «الوفاء بوعود الإصلاح».
وأعلنت وزارة الخارجية الفرنسية أن باريس تدعو السلطات السورية إلى «التخلي عن استخدام العنف ضد مواطنيها» والبدء بتنفيذ الإصلاحات.
وقال وزير الخارجية البريطاني وليام هيغ «أنا قلق للغاية من الأنباء بشأن القتلى والجرحى في أنحاء سوريا». وأضاف «أدين عمليات القتل غير المقبولة التي ترتكبها قوات الأمن بحق المتظاهرين». وتابع «أدعو قوات الأمن السورية إلى ممارسة ضبط النفس بدلا من ممارسة القمع، كما أدعو السلطات السورية إلى احترام حق الشعب في التظاهر السلمي». وقال إن «على الحكومة السورية تلبية المطالب الشرعية للشعب السوري»، موضحا «يجب تطبيق الإصلاحات السياسية من دون تأخير. ويجب إلغاء حالة الطوارئ بالفعل وليس بالقول فقط».
إلى ذلك، أهابت وزارة الداخلية السورية، في بيان، «بالأخوة المواطنين التقيد بمضامين المرسوم 54 الذي ينظم حق التظاهر السلمي للمواطنين، والذي أصبح معمولا به في البلاد، وعــدم التظـاهر إلا بعـد
الحصول على إذن مسبق من الجهات المختصة، حرصا على ضمان سلامة المتظاهرين وممارسة هذا الحق بشكل حضاري يعبر عن تاريخ وعراقة شعبنا»، مشيرة بذلك الى المرسوم الذي صدر قبل يومين لتنظيم التظاهرات والتجمعات الاحتجاجية.
وقال مصدر مسؤول، في بيان بثته «سانا»، إن «مجموعة من الأشخاص، بينهم مسلحون، اندفعوا من الطرف الشمالي لمدينة ازرع في ريف درعا مستخدمين الدراجات النارية والسيارات وتوجهوا نحو وسط المدينة وهاجموا عناصر الحراسة في مديرية منطقة ازرع بالحجارة، ثم قام بعضهم بإطلاق الأعيرة النارية، فتصدت لهم عناصر الجيش وردت على مصادر النيران، فلاذت المجموعة بالفرار. وسمع لاحقا إطلاق نار من سيارة مدنية كانت في مؤخرة المجموعة، يستقلها بعض الملثمين الذين فتحوا النار بشكل عشوائي ما أدى إلى مقتل ثمانية أشخاص وجرح 28 من المجموعة ومن عناصر الجيش».
وأضاف المصدر أن «مجموعة أخرى من راكبي الدراجات النارية تحركت من بلدة الحراك باتجاه نقطة مراقبة عسكرية تقع بين بلدتي المليحة الغربية والحراك، وفي الوقت ذاته اتجهت مجموعة راجلة من بلدة المليحة الغربية والقرى المجاورة باتجاه النقطة العسكرية، حيث كان معظم أفراد المجموعتين يحملون السكاكين والعصي وبعض العبوات المملوءة بالبنزين، إضافة إلى عبوات بلاستيكية مليئة بسائل احمر، وهاجموا نقطة المراقبة العسكرية فتصدت لهم عناصر الجيش وأطلقت عيارات تحذيرية في الهواء، فتفرقوا باتجاه بلدة الحراك من دون وقوع أي إصابة». وتابع «في بلدة المعضمية في ريف دمشق اعتدت مجموعة إجرامية مسلحة على موقع عسكري فتصدت لها عناصر الموقع ما أدى إلى وقوع إصابات».
وذكرت «سانا» أن «قوات الجيش ضبطت مع مجموعة إجرامية مسلحة هاجمت أحد المواقع العسكرية في منطقة رخم الحراك في ريف درعا جهازاً خلوياً يعمل بشرائح غير سورية (شركات خلوية أجنبية)، ومزودة ببرامج تحدد الموقع الموجود فيه الجهاز وكاميرات ديجيتال ذات تقنية عالية، عليها مقاطع قصيرة مفبركة تظهر أعمال عنف وقمع تمثيلي للتظاهرات، إضافة إلى هراوات وسيوف وقطع حديدية لاستخدامها أثناء التظاهر ضد قوات الأمن. كما ضبطت قوات الجيش زجاجات مملوءة بالدم الحقيقي لاستخدامها أثناء تصوير أعمال العنف المفبركة للتظاهرات، إضافة إلى زجاجات أخرى مملوءة بالبنزين لإحداث الحرائق».
وذكرت «سانا» أن «اثنين من عناصر قوى الأمن الداخلي استشهدا، وأصيب 11، بينهم ضابطان جراء استهدافهم من قبل مجموعات إجرامية مسلحة في محافظتي دمشق وحمص». وذكر مصدر في وزارة الداخلية أن «الشرطي طارق مكاوي والشرطي سيمون عيسى استشهدا جراء إطلاق النار عليهما من قبل مجموعات إجرامية مسلحة في منطقتي المعضمية بدمشق وحي بابا عمرو في حمص».
كما قامت «مجموعة إجرامية مسلحة بالاعتداء على سيارات الإطفاء من خلال إطلاق النار وقذف الحجارة عليها في منطقة جوبر بدمشق أثناء توجهها لإخماد حريق بعد أن تلقت نداء من أبناء المنطقة يفيد بوقوع حريق فيها. وأسفر الاعتداء عن إصابة عدد من رجال الإطفاء بجروح بالغة نقلوا على أثرها إلى المستشفى».
وذكرت الفضائية السورية أن «عددا من المخربين في منطقة تلبيسة بحمص قاموا بقطع الطرق داخل المدينة عبر حرق الإطارات وتحطيم ممتلكات عامة وخاصة، كما طالت عملية التخريب سيارة إطفاء كانت متوجهة لإطفاء حرائق افتعلها المخربون في المنطقة».
وترددت معلومات من سكان محليين أن «مجموعة من المخرّبين يحملون أسلحة حاولت الدخول إلى كنيسة الصليب في القصّاع في دمشق، وقامت قوى الأمن بالتصدّي لهم بمساندة شباب المنطقة، وتبيّن أنّ المتظاهرين هم من خارج القصّاع وتمّ صدّهم وإخراجهم من المنطقة، التي عاد الهدوء إليها».
وذكرت «شبكة دمشق» أن «تعليمات صدرت للجيش والقوى الأمنية بحماية الكنائس والأديرة كأولوية على المنشآت الحكومية في جميع المحافظات والتصدي بالقوة القصوى لمن يحاول الاعتداء عليها». وأشارت إلى «كشف جزء من خطة لتصفية ضباط الجيش في درعا بعد القبض على أحد قياديي التنظيمات الإرهابية في درعا وإفشال عملية اغتيال لأحد الضباط في برزة» في دمشق.
وقال مراسلو «سانا» إنه و»رغم الحملة التحريضية الواسعة التي تتعرض لها سوريا والتجييش الإعلامي غير المسبوق من قبل محطات أعادت جدولة برامجها لاستهداف سوريا ودعوتها المباشرة للتظاهر وإثارة الفوضى وقيامها بتحديد أماكن التجمعات والتحرك في الساحات والشوارع، وعناوين الشعارات التي سيتم إطلاقها، شهد عدد من المحافظات تجمعات محدودة وعلى نطاق ضيق».
وذكرت «سانا» أن «أعداد المتجمعين تفاوتت من مدينة لأخرى، حيث سجلت بعض مناطق ريف دمشق ومحافظات حماة ودير الزور والحسكة وبانياس تجمعات لأعداد محدودة من المواطنين عقب صلاة الجمعة، هتف المشاركون فيها للحرية والشهيد، كما شهدت مدينة درعا تجمعا شارك فيها الآلاف الذين هتفوا للحرية والشهيد».
وقالوا المراسلون إن «عناصر الشرطة تدخلت لفض إشكالات وقعت بين المشاركين في هذه التجمعات وبعض المواطنين لحماية الممتلكات الخاصة والعامة من التخريب، وانفضت بعض هذه التجمعات بعد فترة قصيرة من بدايتها». وأشار مراسلو الوكالة في حرستا وحماة والقامشلي إلى أن «بعض الإصابات وقعت خلال هذه الإشكالات، كما استغل بعض اللصوص أجواء الفوضى في منطقة الحجر الأسود بريف دمشق وقاموا بنهب المحال التجارية وبعض البيوت».
وقال إمام مسجد الرحمن في بانياس الشيخ أنس العيروط، في اتصال مع «الجزيرة»، إنّ «المدينة بكامل سكانها تظاهرت منادية بالحرية وإسقاط الأجهزة الأمنية، بمواكبة من الجيش السوري وحماية منه، ومن دون حصول أي اعتداء أو تعنيف بحق المتظاهرين». وأعلن أنّ «العناصر الأمنية غادرت المدينة منذ الاتفاق الذي تمّ مع السلطات، وأنّ اللجان الشعبية هي من يقوم بمهام الأمن في المدينة».
وذكرت «سانا» انه و»في إطار تشويه الحقائق والتحريض الإعلامي الذي تقوم به بعض وسائل الإعلام المغرضة لنشر الأضاليل والأكاذيب والروايات المشوهة لأحداث تحصل في سوريا، قامت قناة «الجزيرة» بفبركة شهادة زور وقدمت شخصا قالت إنه شاهد عيان من حمص وإن اسمه محمد عبد الرحمن وإنه طبيب أسنان قدم معلومات كاذبة حول أحداث مفترضة بحمص بين متظاهرين وقوات الأمن، وبعد دقائق معدودة اتصل صاحب الاسم الحقيقي الطبيب محمد عبد الرحمن بالفضائية السورية مستنكرا تقمص اسمه كشاهد عيان على قناة الجزيرة واستعمال صفته كطبيب لتزوير الحقيقة وتقديم روايات مشوهة عن مدينة حمص».
وقال عبد الرحمن «فوجئت عندما اتصل بي أحد أصدقائي وقال لي إن اسمك ورد على قناة الجزيرة بأنك شاهد عيان وأنا لم أتصل أبدا بهذه القناة، وهذا الكلام ملفق وكاذب»، مضيفا أن «ذلك يأتي في إطار الأكاذيب التي تبثها هذه الفضائية مستنكرا الهجمة الإعلامية الكبيرة على سوريا من خلال تلفيق الأخبار وتشويه الحقائق».
ونقلت الوكالة السورية عن «أبناء منطقة الميدان في دمشق نفيهم ما تناقلته بعض وسائل الإعلام المغرضة عن إطلاق الشرطة الرصاص والغاز المسيل للدموع لتفريق متجمعين في الحي». وأشار أحد المواطنين إلى أن «الحي لم يشهد أي تجمعات، ولا يوجد ما يدل عليها».
وذكرت منظمة العفو الدولية، في بيان، أن «75 شخصا على الأقل قتلوا في سوريا خلال تظاهرات الاحتجاج، كما أفاد ناشطون حقوقيون، في حين نفذت الحكومة اعنف حملة قمع على المتظاهرين المطالبين بإصلاحات». وأضافت إن «قوات الأمن أطلقت الرصاص الحي على المتظاهرين الذين تجمعوا اثر صلاة الجمعة في أنحاء مختلفة من البلاد».
وقالت المنظمة إن «30 شخصا قتلوا في ازرع في محافظة درعا، و22 في محافظة دمشق، و18 في محافظة حمص، والباقون في مدن وقرى أخرى»، في ما وصفته بأنه «اعنف يوم» منذ بداية التظاهرات في 18 آذار الماضي.
وفيما اشارت رويترز الى سقوط 88 قتيلاً، نقلت «فرانس برس» عن اللجنة السورية لحقوق الإنسان، ومقرها لندن، «ارتكبت قوات الأمن السورية مجازر في العديد من المدن والمناطق السورية، سقط على أثرها 72 مواطنا ومئات الجرحى». وقال ناشطون إن التظاهرات عمت مدينة الحراك في درعا، ودوما وحرستا والزبداني القريبتين من دمشق، والمعضمية والبرزة والقابون وزملكا في العاصمة، ومدن بانياس واللاذقية وحماه وحمص والقامشلي ودرعا وبانياس والرقة واللاذقية.
(«السفير»، سانا، أ ف ب، أ ب، رويترز)

April 22nd, 2011, 7:53 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

Mouna
Thank you,your support is appreciated.
SYAU can say what he believe and want,it is hard to see what is going on,on ground,and expect that Bashar will last for many many years,things are deteriorating,he ran out of concessions,I said it before,reform is incompatible with his survival,and real reform can not be led by a dictator,I give him till june.

April 22nd, 2011, 8:28 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Nour, thanks for posting these breaking news.
The resignation of a such a respected personality like Ghassan al Jeddo from Al Jazira after accusing the channel of political bias and incitation to violence is the final proof of what many have been saying in the last months: That Jazeera has stopped being a honest news TV. It has now a political agenda that serves its own ego and the interests of its payers: Saudi Arabia and the GCC.
Its credibility about Syria reporting based on selected/fake eye witnesses is now in serious doubt.

April 22nd, 2011, 8:31 pm

 

Leo said:

Why-Discuss @ 50,

It’s ridiculous that you deliberately cut my statement in such a way to show that I rejoice about people dying. That is a dirty tactic and similar to the infamous analogy of the cutting the Quranic verse “Do not pray if you are intoxicated” assuming it says “Do not pray…”. العب غيرها حبيبي مو علينا هل حركات

I said that we should be proud and grateful that the demonstrators are still sticking to their nonviolent means in achieving their legitimate demands after all they have been through (300 deaths). Nice dirty try in trying to misrepresent my statement. Try again.

PS: The extremist is the Baathist sympathizer who defends this fascist party and its policies and looks for ways to discredit, by any means possible, those who criticize the party.

Nour,

How do you know that those who offered Manaa weapons are not warlords? Do you have any evidence that “they were figures with specific agenda against Syria?” Where are those Salafis and 3isabat that the regime claimed they existed and they were responsible for killing the officers? You have a hard time believing that the regime killed them, so why don’t you offer a more credible alternative with evidence showing us those invisible forces of the grounds that are synonymous with ghosts. It’s been over a month now and all what the regime could do is show us a clip of some Egyptian who Syrian TV claimed to be Mossad and another Syrian who said that he was ordered by the creator of the Revolution page on Facebook and some Lebanese MP to create havoc. Another video the regime showed machine guns and grenades that they claimed were brought from Iraq. Why didn’t they tell us exactly who sent them? How can we be sure that these weapons are not for the Syrian army and all this is just a stupid clip in order to lure fools?

Let’s suppose that what you said regarding foreign specific interest groups offering to arm Manaa3 is true. So what? Did Manaa3 accept? NO. Did any prominent opposition on the ground accept? No. So what are you whining about? Are you whining that there are ‘forces’ out there that are conspiring against Syria? So what? Every day politicians ‘conspire’ and formulate agendas in ways to further their own interest. Are the Syrians supposed to live for the rest of eternity living under tyranny and fear just because some threatening forces exist?

Foreign threat would never cease to exist. They will always be there. The best way to overcome such threat is to empower the people, not a regime that represents by max a quarter or third of the people. What makes you think that this regime which does not represent the Syrians is capable of handling this threat of force? The regime has no legitimate basis in order assume that they are protecting the Syrians. The people are the ones who should decide and their demands ought to be met and not shot (pun intended) down.

April 22nd, 2011, 8:38 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Leo

That’s your full statement:

‘Now given that, you should be proud that these demonstrators have accumulated over 300 deaths (over 80 deaths just today) and they are still sticking to their demands using non-violent means’

I still think it is sick to be “proud” that innocents people die for whatever cause…

April 22nd, 2011, 8:44 pm

 

Leo said:

Why-Discuss,

You are either thick or is deliberately trying to be one. You keep reading the part you want to read and taking things out of context like a typical regime supporter who only sees for one eye. Yes we should all be proud of these demonstrators, who after accumulating so many deaths are still sticking to their legitimate demands in nonviolent means and not resorting to violence.

Few weeks ago you were accusing these same men of being infiltrators, traitors, salafis, gangsters, and now you are trying to play the side of defending those demonstrators? Yes innocent people died, but who killed them? Who is responsible for their murder? ولك بتقتلوا الواحد وبتمشوا بجنازته؟..هزلت

April 22nd, 2011, 8:59 pm

 

Real Syrian said:

Do not dream
The Great Friday has failed to make protests occupy the main squares in Syria ….It is the truth…..The situation in Syria is different from what radical Muslims imagine…..The army is strong and united….The army support the regime …moreover, the majority of Syrian Support president Al-Assad….
For the term Shabehha I assure that it is a big lie , president Al-Assad had removed this group since 1995….It is a kind of a cheap propaganda….We all know that Security forces in Syria do not wear a uniform….these people who are called Shabeeha by the misleading media such Aljazeera are security forces who are doing their job in fighting terrorism……
What happens every Friday that armed radicals shoot the security forces while they are among the crowd…not only this they shoot the ordinary people to inflame the situation…..
In brief,these radicals are not able to eradicate the regime….They do their best to make US attack Syria , in other words They want another Iraq…It is their only way to get this dream…is this scenario coming? Next days will show……..

April 22nd, 2011, 9:01 pm

 

Nour said:

LEO:

You keep writing as if you know all possible groups in Syria and know for a fact that they all refused to be armed. Haitham al Manna was clear in saying that he was offered weapons by three different sides. One was a “Syrian businessman” as he put it, who was a naturalized citizen of another country. The others were a Lebanese group with known opposition to Syria (most likely Hariri) and some Syrian “opposition” figures living in Washington. Therefore, it wasn’t random warlords. Even certain Syrian opposition figures have admitted that there are probably armed elements inside Syria causing chaos. If you refuse to see these facts and want to continue to pretend that no one in the world would possibly think of plotting against Syria, you are free to do so, but I simply do not see it that way. I believe that Syria is a prime target of foreign agendas due to its support of resistance groups in our nation and its refusal to bow down to foreign pressure. That people inside Syria have legitimate demands and grievances is indisputable, but such legitimate grievances do not automatically negate the presence of foreign conspirators.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:02 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Anyone has an idea why there is no curfew? It is still on in Egypt.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:11 pm

 

Norman said:

Maje97,

No to question one,

The others can be achieved by peaceful reform that will secure equal opportunity to all to be all what they want to be,and guarantying the peaceful transfer of power , with anti discrimination laws in housing and employment. and laws against hate crimes as defined in the US ,

It looks to me more and more that what the opposition want is not an equal right to compete by the only right to compete, so we practically will be replacing one dictatorship with another .

So let be clear if they want equal shot at managing Syria, That is fair but if they want to be the only choice for managing Syria because they are the majority Sunni, then Hell NO ,The Baath part will fight tooth and nail to secure the rights of the minorities of Syria and their rights,

After what the white house said about the problem of Syria supporting the terror group and Amir being so joyful about the trouble Syria is going through indicate to me that president Assad is the right man for the reform and to stand for Arab rights.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:11 pm

 

Shami said:

what the regime is going to play us ?
من مصدر أمني موثوق داخل سورية أن هناك مخطط لتفجير كنيسة واتهام الجماعات السلفية المسلحة في سورية بذلك ليبرر بعد ذلك النظام القمع والاعتقالات والبطش أمام الرأي العام العالمي .. افضحوا هذا المخطط وانشروه وتذكروا كلامي

April 22nd, 2011, 9:13 pm

 

suri-amreki said:

Dictatorship and oppression will not last forever! Bashar better to leave and let the Syrian people rule themselves! Shame on the ruler who kils his own people just because they are demanding freedom!

April 22nd, 2011, 9:26 pm

 

Fadi said:

Real Syrian
“The Great Friday has failed to make protests occupy the main squares in Syria”: They failed badly. Occupy what, excuse me?? the main square in Syria. My friend they do not have enough numbers to occupy a neighbourhood street. They are heading towards slow death.

“The army is strong and united….The army support the regime; Shabehha is a big lie”…The army is protecting the people. The opposition is accusing the army of killing protestor????this is a lie as well. We shoudl have thousands of victims by now….this is a big lie

“They do their best to make US attack Syria , in other words They want another Iraq…It is their only way to get this dream…is this scenario coming? Next days will show”……Well Shami may assume that you are another paranoid person on this forum as he accused others in the forum of bering paranoid….I would agree with that the aim of this great friday and the last major friday and the coming freedom friday, and the next coming volcano friday is to bring the west to attack Syria…..this is far from happening. Shami also thinks that his opposition would be able to throw the regime out as simple as that/…..he also stated in one of his commenst that the people of Syria and the rest of the Arabs will put their feet on the head of the regiem. I would ask him what does he mean by Arabs……Is this an invitation of the Arabs to come and crush us?????Does he believe that Arabs are behind this conspiracy??? I think so otherwise why ihe is sure of Arabs feet will be placed on this regime.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:29 pm

 

syau said:

My scenario is one without the negativity of the m&m’s here and their likes.

A prosperous Syria without the negitivity of power hungry outside infulences attempting to implement their own evil agenda.

A world without the MB’s of this world, one without evil, mutilation, violence and downright hate they endorse.

As Nour stated, Syria-news.com reported 12 deaths including 2 police officers.

People need to look at the facts, not the sensationalised stories.
People also need to be positive, not flood youtube with fake videos. Most of which incite hate and terrorism.

Majedkhaldoon, you need to wake up and see the truth behind the so called ‘peaceful demonstrations’. Read between the lines and open your eyes. Dont be so ready to condemn.
The President followed through, eradicated old laws and implemented new ones. It is about time this evil revolution sanctioning violence and death was done and dusted.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:30 pm

 

Leo said:

Noor,

All your fear mongering tactics about foreign conspirators does not mean anything. It’s just a naive way to justify the regime’s brutal crackdown and the taking of lives because of some foreign conspiracy. We have countries in the same region that went through a much worst existential threat and yet never treated or dealt with their people in the same way. What are you trying to justify here? Do you believe in the rule of the people? Do you believe that the Syrian people have the right to decide for themselves?

April 22nd, 2011, 9:39 pm

 

Fadi said:

Shami

Stop defending your salafi groups, MB. Why you are so sure that a church would be bomped unless you have reliable information regarding that. Also you stated that the regime will be under the shoes of the syrian and arab people. Why Arab people. It seems that you are really a dangerous man here and I would be suspecious that you might be part of MB. You are clearly defending them in this forum.

The president here to stay…..Your MB is in CODE BLUE STATUS and needs resositation….The conspiracy is out and clear….People know by now who is behind these evil work…..Go and play it on some one else…..You and your handful opposition will bringt the Assad down…Are you kidding: Tell us in this forum how you will do it?????We are very interested to hear it……..Your opposition is going no where but to slow death………….

April 22nd, 2011, 9:42 pm

 

why-discuss said:

Leo
Your remarks makes me wonder who is naive..
Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Bahrein are good example of bloody internal conflicts in the last 20 years. Maybe you were still a baby or not born at that time, so please educate yourself before making erroneous declarations in the fire of your excitement.
With your ignorance of history, I just hope people like you would not bring Syria to a destructive civil war.

April 22nd, 2011, 9:58 pm

 

Wael rajjoub said:

It seems like the anti regime forces have decided that it is ok to invite foreign intervention and it is ok for army and security officers to die since human rights organizations can always blame Shabiha. I am saddened by the behavior of people on both sides which clearly indicates that Syria needs another generation before we can pretend that we are ready for freedom and democracy. This regime is bad but what is coming is probably worse. There is still a chance to save the country if foreign powers refuse to take sides and make things worse.Eventually, Bashar will not be president for much longer but i am sure we want him to leave while syria is not a broken house,Iraq should serve as a powerful reminder to all. The claim that only the regime is using fire power is a lie,most Syrians know that by now but some choose to ignore this fact for political reasons.

April 22nd, 2011, 10:20 pm

 

majedkhaldoon said:

SYAU
“As Nour stated, Syria-news.com reported 12 deaths including 2 police officers”.
This is deceiving yourself,the number of death far exceed 84.I think you should wake up,and Nour too,it is time to admit the truth,things are getting worse very fast,there is no use,

Nour : You know that Mannaa declined getting weapons ,I do not understand your point.

April 22nd, 2011, 10:44 pm

 

Majed97 said:

I don’t get it…If the security forces are out there shooting to kill those “tens of thousands” of demonstrators, why then so few are getting killed? The highest number I’ve seen today is 80, which is about 1% of demonstrators. Do the security forces have such terrible aim, or is the media simply lying about the truth? How hard is it to kill unarmed civilians, especially when they’re gathering in such large numbers? Any way you look at, it doesn’t add up… Either the number of demonstrators is not that large, or the security forces are not really shooting to kill. I think the opposition is exaggerating everything.

April 22nd, 2011, 11:35 pm

 

Off the Wall said:

Dear Nour

You are as fiercely secular as I am. You even carry your commitment to secular Syria further within an organized political framework through a political party known for its secular principles. I am really surprised to see someone with your credential peddling divisive articles such as the one from Syrian press you posted earlier about the opposition’s plans by to attack churches (remember that when SANA pen-for-hire utter the word terrorist, they mean opposition). If such a plan exists, it could only be brewed by the regime, and we have seen it in Egypt. The unfortunate thing in Syria is that we have 17 agencies with sole goal of conspiring against the people of Syria. Enough is enough. One should be blind not to recognize that they have failed miserably in protecting Syria from being penetrated by enemy intelligence but succeeded beyond belief in humiliating Syrians, intellectuals before anyone else.

Look around you, and simply compare between the ethical, moral, and even nationalistic underpinning of two slogans. The first says “Allah.. Surriah, Herrieh, wbass”, and the second says “Allah .. Surriah… Bashar, wbass..”, if you are not repulsed by the latter, I have no idea what else would repulse anyone who continues to hold hope that this band of thugs ruling Syria can bring anything but further ruin to our, once beautiful place of origin. Sadly, while people were being murdered en-mass on the streets of Syrian cities, I was contemplating these two slogans with a Libyan colleague. How sad, and scary.

I can no longer afford the luxury of neutrality or even its pretense.I am a Syrian-American or American-Syrian, whichever way one would like to say it. And while I recognize the follies of my adoptive country, and have talked about them loudly, I also humbly acknowledge the sense of the tremendous and priceless gift of freedom it has graciously given me. To deny my brothers and sisters, yearning for freedom their opportunity would be an Ingratitude to my adoptive country, and a betrayal of my place of origin.

SYAU and alter-egos:
I never addressed you. But now I will
Allah, Suryyah, Hurrieh, wbas…

April 23rd, 2011, 12:59 am

 

Revlon said:

قائمة غير مكتملة للشهداء الذين سقطوا في مدن سوريا بعد إطلاق النار عليهم من قبل قوات الأمن
.by حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom on Friday, April 22, 2011 at 8:48pm.شام : قائمة غير مكتملة للشهداء الذين سقطوا في مدن سوريا بعد إطلاق النار عليهم من قبل قوات الأمن :

1- خلدون الدروبي – حمص

2- أحمد الساعور – حمص

3- فواز الحراكي – حمص

4- عمار السلمان – حمص

5- أحمد غسان الكحيل – حمص، الخالدية

6- محمد باسل الكحيل – حمص

7- محمد خضير الشيخ – باب عمرو

8- محمود الجوري – باب عمرو

9- أنس كاخيا – باب عمرو، حمص

10- رامز كاخيا – باب عمرو، حمص

11- سامي حاج حسن – باب عمرو، حمص

12- جدوع العمر – القصير، حمص

13- محمد العيدة – القصير، حمص

14- سالم بكور – تلدو، حمص

15- رضوان لالو – كفرلاها، حمص

16- محمد المحمد – تلذهب، حمص

17- عبد الرحمن الفردوس – تلذهب، حمص

18- الصيدلاني سامر بكور – تلدو، حمص

19- ___ هرموش – تلدو، حمص

20- معتز الروبا – دمشق، جامع بلال الحبشي

21- كمال بركات – برزة، دمشق

22- عبد المنعم عرعورة – المعضمية

23- مازن عرعورة – المعضمية

24- أحمد الشيخ – المعضمية

25- سليمان ابراهيم – المعضمية

26- أحمد الغندور – المعضمية

27- محمود معتوق – المعضمية

28- أحمد معتوق – المعضمية

29- الطفل ضياء هزاع – المعضمية

30- وائل العربيني- زملكا

31- عز الدين النداف- زملكا

32- أحمد المملوك- زملكا

33- عمر بن أحمد الحمصي – جوبر

34- عمار محمود – داريا

35- علي شيخ درويش – حرستا

36- محمد أبو دخل الله – حرستا

37- خالد حميد – حرستا

38- محمد الحمزات – الحجر الأسود

39- يمان طراد الآغا – الحجر الأسود

40- ناصر الحوري – الحجر الأسود

41- محمد مصطفى رعد – الحجر الأسود

42- مؤمن إبراهيم حموده (7 سنوات) طلق ناري في الرأس – إزرع

43- سفيان محمد سليمان العيدة – إزرع

44- عبد الغفار محمد سليمان العيدة – إزرع

45- نزار محمد سليمان العيدة – إزرع

46- سفيان صلاح سليمان العيدة – إزرع

47- إبراهيم القلاب – إزرع

48- طاهر موفق القنص – إزرع

49- أنور فاضل العبيد – إزرع

50- طاهر موفق الحريري – إزرع

51- بلال الشوحة (أو الشوقي) – إزرع

52- حسان علي الحلقي – إزرع

53- هاني رسمي الحلقي – إزرع

54- عبدالغفار شحادة (أبو منير، 70 سنة) – إزرع

55- حسين علي ذياب – إزرع

56- سفيان بهجت الحريري – إزرع

57- إبراهيم القلاب أبو مالك – إزرع

58- الطفل انور فاضل العبيد – إزرع

59- خليل إبراهيم الحمود المسالمة – إزرع

60- أيهم السالم – إزرع

61- لؤي السالم – إزرع

62- أنس الزعبي – إزرع

63- محمد علي ذياب – إزرع

64- إياد عوض شهاب – إزرع

65- أنس الشريف – إزرع

66- قاسم الأسعد – إزرع

67- سفيان الحروب – إزرع

68- جاسم محمد العبيد – إزرع

69- محمد المفلح – إزرع

70- الطفل إياد عوض شهاب (10 سنوات) – إزرع

71- أسامة الحركي (من أهالي المليحة الغربية، 35 سنة) – الحراك

72- محمد الخراط – حماة

73- ___ عثمان – حماة

74- ___ عدي – حماة

اللهم ارحم شهدائنا … اللهم تقبلهم في عليين … اللهم أسكنهم مع الأنبياء و الصالحين …

نحن لا نستسلم … ننتصر أو نستشهد … ننتصر أو نستشهد

April 23rd, 2011, 1:49 am

 

Leo said:

For those who keep posting links from Syria-News and SANA.

According to SANA, 10 people have been killed, 2 police officers among them. Syria-News claims 12 have been killed.

Despicable.

http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=131747

Recommended reading: http://www.the-syrian.com/?p=1366

WHY-DISCUSS,

The only regime in the region that comes close to the crimes that have been committed by the Assad regime is Saddam’s. Yet even the Hallabja massacre in terms of causalities doesn’t come close to the Hama massacre. The causalities in Lebanon during the civil war were not a result of crimes committed by a regime. As for Bahrain and Jordan, with all their despotic nature, they are doves in comparison to Assad’s. Anyways, you have a hard time reading between the lines, because if you read properly, you would know that I was referring to Israel. Despite the existential threat on Israel since its unfortunate proclamation, they have not treated their people the way Assad’s regime have. If you can’t fix your own house then you will not be able to fix anything else. The time to fix (or more like demolish and build again) has come now.

April 23rd, 2011, 1:54 am

 

Revlon said:

A father’s account of Great Friday’s massacre:
– Aggressors were security forces armed with guns, chains, and batons
– His son, Al Mu3tazz Billah Al Sha33ar, a first year law student, was shot in the chest, in front of his eyes.
– His attempts to help his son to the hospital were CREULLY denied by the aggressors.
– The father was badly beaten by batons and was left helplessly watching his son dying in front of his eyes.
– His other 2 sons, 11 and 19 are under arrest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM9o64sfbA&feature=player_embedded

Al Fati7a upon Al Mu3tazz Billah’soul.
May God empower his family with solace and empower them with patience.

April 23rd, 2011, 2:20 am

 

Australian -Syrian said:

OFF THE WALL,( and alter-egos)
I think what you meant to say was

“ALLAH, SYRIA, BASHAR W BAS!!!”
Yep, that sounds just about right.

Allah Yehme Bashar al Assad! We love you Ya 3um. We are behind you all the way.

Consider, just for one second, Off the Wall, and friends, that without Bashar as Syrias leader, where will Syria be? There are many answers. But i will address one. Syria will a puppet to the US, (OTW, you may like that idea, just saying…)Syria will be a country for the worst. You all know that. You know that the so called revolution is a turn out for the worst. But, non the less, you decide to support it. IF, Syria loses Bashar, i hope you all have fun watching our great country turn into one like Palestine and Iraq. Then, come and say that you think the rvolution was agood idea…But you will not have that opportunity, because Bashar is not leaving. He is Syria’s President, and will remain so for many years. Enshallah.

Alla, Syria, Bashar W Bas!

May you all have a safe and happy Easter.

April 23rd, 2011, 2:27 am

 

Off the Wall said:

SYAUs

No I Did Not . I have conscious, something you seem to lack. Can you not recognize that what I sing does not necessarily exclude Bashar, but what you yell, excludes freedom!…

April 23rd, 2011, 2:40 am

 

Australian- Syrian said:

OTW,
You are the one who lacks the conscious. Your answer to my question has shown how you are desiring to see Syria under the control of your beloved country.

You loser, as you can see, it is soo obvious so any person who can actually read, that SYAU and myself are two completely different people. But, if you would like to keep deluding yourself revlon, i mean aboud sorry, its off the wall, then go ahead.

April 23rd, 2011, 2:44 am

 

Revlon said:

Day 40th of the Syrian Revolution.

The regime has made their intentions and plans clear.
The SYSTEM is here to stay.
The revolution shall be suppressed, with whatever, and for as long as it takes.

Yesterday marks a turning point in the proceedings of the Syrian revolution.

The unprecedented loss of human lives, have left The revolution supporters and ground leaders with added moral obligations and responsibilities.
Syrian citizens need urgent protection from the savagery of the regime’s pubescent, narcissistic leader and his irresponsibly obliging thugs.
The time has come for the able and willing revolution supporters and activists, to form a council of revolution supporters in exile.

Its mandate would provide a visible body of activists to communicate on behalf of its ground leaders.

Its mission for the next phase would be the garnering of political support for the revolution and lobbying for political and financial sanctions on representatives of the regime.

Allah Suriya 7urriyeh Wbas

April 23rd, 2011, 3:32 am

 

Off the Wall said:

Australian-Syrian
You have missed few other names…..how come.

Slogans tell much more about who shouts them than about the person they pretend to worship. Let me bring it closer to home. I happen to believe that you are one of those who also shout Syria-Alasad. So I would humbly propose that it would be reasonable to envision your online name as:

Australian-Syrian-Alasad

Now, to be fair to your country, which has no term limit on the prime-minister office and to which you have professed love, and pride, then we have to revise it one more time, and it would then be

Austrlian-Guillard-Syrian-Alasad.

It is a fun game. Let us follow its evolution over the past thirty years of your happy life.

1983-1991: Australian-Hawke-Syrian-Alasad
1991-1996: Australian-Keating-Syrian-Alasad
1996-2007: Australian-Howard-Syrian-Alasad (Wow, this is long)
2007-2010(June): Australian-Rudd-Syrian-Alasad
2010-2011: Austrlian-Guillard-Syrian-Alasad

Now off course, if one is to consider the her Majesty instead of the PM, then my suggestion would be blown out, and the joke would be on me. But who cares for queens nowadays unless you are a fan of rap and urban beat.

May you continue to have fun on my account.

Allah Suriya 7urriyeh Wbas (thanks revlon for the better spelling)

April 23rd, 2011, 3:40 am

 

Off the Wall said:

WD @ 7
I have the same question, for a while now.

April 23rd, 2011, 4:08 am

 

syau said:

Off the wall

You really make me laugh. You say hourieh w buss, I say Bashar w buss, we both agree on the Allah and Syria part, but what you are missing and need to wake up too is, Bashar is hourieh.

It also amuses me that due to the fact that some have similar views, considering they are not the same views as yours, you are so prompt to assume either they are the same person or alter egos of the other. That says alot about someone who chants hourieh.
If someone is not chanting for the same kind of freedom as you, they will be stopped directly in their path. Some freedom you believe in.

Anyway I was thinking about the stars of freedom in your eyes and I counted 51. 50 small and 1 great big star. Let me know if I’m right.

If you are really wanting freedom for Syrians, and that is considering it is comming directly from your heart and you are not just following a movement you think is exciting, you would know that freedom for Syrians is their diversity and peace within their nation. The unity they have for eachother and their country.
Syria, – (thanks to the Assad government) is able to resist the powerhouses that are constantly flipping through their big bad book of destabalisation and thinking to themselves….. Lets try to destabalise Syria now, that country has known peace for far too long. Syria is strong. Syria is a country which has a president that is wanting unity in the arab world. Not what’s going on today.
The Syrian revolution and its large group of international co conspirators wants what is happening today……Violence, death, instability, destrcution, economic downfall and finally to impose their own puppy dog to follow their aspirations. Wake up.

April 23rd, 2011, 5:33 am

 

Off the Wall said:

SYAU
You know what, It was my mistake to think even for a second that you would get a single word of what I and many others wrote. But you have succeeded in making the dumb clowns on Syrian TV look like geniuses. Congratulation, you have supported the regime.

April 23rd, 2011, 6:05 am

 

syau said:

Revlon,

As you have shown in a previous post, you are eager to think aloud.

I also, previously thought aloud as to who you would endorse as a leader and I had a few ideas, one that I forgot to mention was Quaradawi. But anyway comming back to the here and now, judging by you comments in #92, I think you might be promoting yourself. So you would be another possibility I forgot too think aloud about. Let me know if I’m right.

April 23rd, 2011, 6:43 am

 

syau said:

off the wall,

Not only do I find myself thinking aloud like revlon does, I also find myself laughing aloud at you. It’s true, you should think about quitting your day job and being a comedian, or better yet a leading activist like Ammar Abdulhamid. The list could go on and include people in some parts of the middle east, but I think you get the picture.

Stay positive now, wont you.

April 23rd, 2011, 6:48 am

 

Australian-Syrian-Al Assad said:

Off the wall,
Thank you so much for your suggestion as to what i should be named. I am proud to be Australian-Syrian-Al Assad!! I am glad that you see the honour in me being called so. Thank you.
I also thank you for taking the time to look into Australias political history. Although, you forgot Whitlam as one of our beloved P.Ms.
Now to be fair to your ignorance, i will tell you that Australias prime minsiter does have a time limit. You did not research well. Australias PM is in office for 4 years. As you would have known if you did your homework well.
And you are right. I profess pride and love for Australia. As it too is my county. And i am definatelly one of those peopel who shouts Syria-Al Assad.

YOUR NAME GAMES ARE PATHETIC.
ALLAH SYRIA BASHAR W BAS!!!!!!
And i will continue having fun on your account.

April 23rd, 2011, 8:28 am

 

why-discuss said:

Leo

How you ever read the horrors of Lebanese civil war where people were killed depending on their religion or their ethnicity?
It lasted 15 years. Many thousands of people were killed or disappeared. The country was brought to its knees. It was ended by the Syrian army coming in and separating the different parties. ( I know that later on they tried to control politically but they did save thousands of Lebanese and Palestinians from sure slaughter).
I just wonder whose army will come in when the current ineffective strategy of more deaths, no leader, no negotiation of the Syrian “rebels” will fail from preventing the sectarian fears to grow and end up in a real bloodbath? Then you will stop counting the dead.
Don’t be naive, sectarian fears are already emerging, and they may increase if the situation is in a stalemate. The rebels have been unable to bring more than a few thousands in the street. Now they have no other intelligent choice than to call from an external help to move into negotiations under the auspices of that country or countries.
Yet, I doubt they’ll do that: They have no leader and they seem to be completely stuck in the cycle of violence with the illusion that the government will simply move out because of the growing number of deaths. Obviously they haven’t learned the ruthless determination of this government to stay. The ‘rebels’ are not be up to it, alone.
It is time they move to a different strategy or they will loose the momentum and the death of these martyrs would have be in vain.

April 23rd, 2011, 8:34 am

 

why-discuss said:

Al-Jazeera Beirut bureau chief resigns
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176278.html

“The Tunisian journalist said the Qatari-based satellite channel has launched a smear campaign against the Syrian government and has turned into “a propaganda outlet,” the report added.”

Have Oman and Qatar escaped the Arab revolts?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13147271

April 23rd, 2011, 8:51 am

 

Norman said:

What happened to the last thread,

April 23rd, 2011, 9:44 am

 
 

Norman said:

This is what the Saudi want, a Sunni/ Shia war, is it clear now?.

The US should have attacked the source of all evil in the Mideast, The KSA and the Wahhabi teaching.

http://www.alquds.co.uk

عضو هيئة كبار العلماء السعودية يصف سورية بالخبيثة الخطيرة ويدعو للجهاد لإسقاط الرئيس الأسد

الرياض- يو بي اي: وصف عضو هيئة كبار العلماء السعودية الشيخ صالح اللحيدان الدولة السورية بـ”الفاجرة الخبيثة الخطيرة الملحدة” ودعا “للجهاد” بإسقاط الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد داعيا إلى تنحي الرئيس اليمني علي عبد الله صالح وتسليم سلطاته.
وقال اللحيدان في تسجيل صوتي نشر على موقع (يوتيوب) إن حزب البعث حزب فاشي خبيث، يزعم أنه يبعث العرب من جديد، ماجاء العرب من بعدهم منه العرب إلا الشر”.

ووصف الرئيس السوري بأنه نصيري “الرجل هذا نصيري.. بشار .. وأبوه أخبث منه قبله، وجناية أبيه خطيرة قتل فيها عدد كبير في لحظة واحدة في سوريا”.

في حين أرجع اللحيدان الفرقة النصيرية إلى الفاطميين “النصيرية جزء من الفاطميين الذين تقوضتهم دولتهم في مصر، حتى مضت قرون لايوجد في مصر من يقال إنه شيعي، لا إثني عشري ولاباطني، إلا في منتصف القرن الماضي الرابع عشر فتح إيران مكتباً للتقريب ثم فشل”.

وأضاف “النصيرية هؤلاء يقولون العلماء عن مذهبهم الأساسي إن الله يروه الرفض، يعني أنهم رافضة. في الفقه يرجعون لفقه الاثنا عشرية، الفاطميون في مصر يعتمدون في كثر من أمورهم الفقه الاثني عشري”.

وتابع “هؤلاء النصيرية في سوريا ،هم من هذه الفرقة،شيخ الإسلام بن تيمية قال: هؤلاء أولى بالجهاد أن نجاهدهم..لما كانت الوحدة التي صارت بين مصر وسوريا في القرن الماضي ،ثم ما صلحت الوحدة بعدها تسلم حزب البعث الخبيث وكان حافظ الأسد من الضباط ثم صار ماصار”.

ودعا اللحيدان “الشعب السوري للجد والاجتهاد في مقاومة النظام السوري حتى لو ذهب ضحايا” أرجو الله إن يوفق السوريين إلى أن يجّدوا ويجتهدوا في مقاومة هذه الدولة الفاجرة الخبيثة الخطيرة الملحدة، أن يباغته ولو هلك من هلك منهم”.

وأضاف”يرى في مذهب مالك انه يجوز قتل الثلث ليسعد الثلثان، فلن يقتل من سوريا ثلثها إن شاء الله”.

وقال “نسأل الله إن يعاجل الفاجر بعقوبة ماحقة، وان تتشفى صدور المسلمين هناك وأن يكون ذلك سبب صلاح أهل سوريا جميعاً”.

ورأى عضو هيئة كبار العلماء السعودية “أن الشعب السوري شعب خير وكانت سوريا لعهد قريب أقرب شبهاً في العادات والتقاليد من عادات الجزيرة من حجاب ونحوه”.

ودعا اللحيدان الرئيس اليمني للتنحي وتسليم سلطاته، محذراً من سيطرة الحوثيين على السلطة في اليمن.

كما دعا في ختام كلمته بـ”التوفيق لمن يجاهدون الطغاة في سوريا”، معتبراً” من يموت منهم شهيداً في سبيل الله ،كونهم يقاتلون لإعلاء كلمة الله”.

وجدير بالذكر أن مظاهرات اندلعت منذ أسابيع في عدد من المدن السورية للمطالبة بإصلاح النظام وتطورت في الأيام الأخيرة للمطالبة بإسقاط النظام ذهب ضحيتها أكثر من 270 قتيلا ومئات الجرحى، وعدد من الضبط والعسكريين ورجال الأمن.
t1

April 23rd, 2011, 9:56 am

 

Australian-Syrian said:

The worlds youngest and most intellegent inventor was murdered 2 days ago, along with his cousin. They were Syrian. He drove the world crazy due to his unprecedented intellegence. He and his cousin were murdered by anti- government conspitators.
Al Fatiha on their souls. Join me in prayer for our brothers.

April 23rd, 2011, 10:00 am

 

syau said:

Souri,

What an evil discusting excuse for a religious leader.
This evil man is promoting sectarianism and accusing women of other sects of being prostitutes.

He is saying that he was spared death 4 times during the protests, that would be because the people he is affiliated with would have agreements to shoot around him. After all, who would shoot at one of their own when they can shoot at actual legitimate demonstrators or more likely the security forces to escalate violence.

April 23rd, 2011, 10:14 am

 

syau said:

# 107,

The supposed Sheikh quoted in this article – Sheikh Saleh Al haydan

The surname Al 7ayawan is better suited to him. The only Khabiss is him. Calling for Jihad against the Syrian government and using sectarianism to do it. Religious leaders are supposed to know the true meaning of Jihad. Not take it out of context and use it to incite further hate and violence and causing further death and destruction. His comments are as sectarian as they come. He needs to shut up and stay out of Syria’s business.

April 23rd, 2011, 10:35 am

 

Nafdik said:

Why-dicuscuss,

Why do you have little trust in the syrian army?

Why do you think it is incompatible with democracy and that we will need a foreigarmy to protect us from civil war?

How about a much more simple solution, democratic elections are called and you can support a baath candidate and getbhim elected if the silent majority is indeed happy with baath rule.

The army remains as it is and protects the new government baath or no baath. Or is our army the private militia of the assad family?

April 23rd, 2011, 4:58 pm

 

Norman said:

Nafdik,

I agree, now can you convince the opposition to accept being giving the chance not taking over by violence, I doubt it , they have not shown maturity.

April 23rd, 2011, 5:20 pm

 

Nafdik said:

Norman, i am not sure that the opposition as a block exists.

There is no clear vision beyond the demand for freedom and dignity. It is now the time for various ideas to be presented to the syrian people. My bet is that most syrians are truly behind unity, security and mutual respect as long as they do not have to sacrifice freedom and self determination.

April 23rd, 2011, 8:08 pm

 

Off the Wall said:

Australian Syrian
Nonsense, Term limit is not term duration , Constitutionally, Australia is similar to many Prime Minister- Parliamentary System, which have no fixed tenure to the prime minister. The prime minister is not elected directly by the people of Australia, but usually appointed by the Governor General, and most often would be the leader of the winning party in the Federal Election (every three years). Governor Generals can dismiss a prime minister as happened with Gough Whitlam, who was dismissed by Governor General Kerr in 1975 to end the constitutional crisis known as the Dismissal. But still, there is no fixed tenure for the PM. A few of Australia’s prime ministers had to relinquish office to new party leaders.

Term limit on the other hands is a fixed number of the maximum length of years, or the number of consecutive terms a politician can serve in office. This is more common in presidential systems. In the united states it is now two 4 years terms for the president, In mexico, it is a one term. I suggest that you get back and repeat 7th, or is it 6th grade and learn your Australian civics. It is probably because of your lack of understanding of your civics that you are willing to advocate despotism in Syria.

In my post I talked about the past 30 years of your happy life, 2011-30=1981 , Whitlam served in the 1970s, actually 72-75, and Fraser served from 1975-1983, so the start of his service was further from the start of the past thirty years of your happy life than that of his successor, Hawke, hence the start of the series with Hawke. In conclusion, You can’t calculate 30 years back from 2011. Go back to second grade and learn subtraction.

The rest of your post qualifies you for pre-school….

Syrians are being murdered and I will afford you no more time.

April 23rd, 2011, 8:59 pm

 

Australian-Syrian said:

Off the wall,
i love it when idiots like you think they know my country more than i know it. I will tell you that in the 6th and 7th grade they didnt teach us about our countys history. We were too buisy studying the savagery of your country, the US. Before you go and say that i know nothing of my political history, you should know that i have been majoring in Politics for 4 years. I have known about the GGs power in dismissing PMs but what you dont even know is that power has been in reserve since whitlam. The GG does not hold all that authority…i will not bother to explain as you have proven too stupid to understand. Go do proper research. You sound really dumb.

As for my comments sounding though i am a pre schooler, than i am glad. I must be the most intellegent pre schooler there is. You are a pathetic moron. If someone is loyal to their leader you call them a child. Well then to i call you a bloody idiot. And you are not worth the dust on Bashars shoes. You are not worth my time. You say you will not bother anymore because you know you are wrong in all that you have just said. Thats funny 😛

I thank you for your suggestion, i will pass on learning my subtraction. I have always hated math.

Yes people are dying. But thanks to you and people like you who support such horrific demonstrations.

I still cant get over how dumb you are. If you would like to know all about australias political history let me know. As i said, i am studying australian politics. And would love to make you feel like an idiot again. P.S dont trust internet sources for things like that, they tend to ne wrong. At least thats what they have been teaching us since prep. They must have missed thay in your education. That explains so much.

April 23rd, 2011, 9:32 pm

 

N.Z. said:

Seems they are many comments inciting a bleak future for Syria.
Is this our Syria that Norman is talking about, or one from his imagination.

April 24th, 2011, 6:39 pm

 

Australian said:

Dear Syrian-Australian,

I fear the future of Australian politics if people so narrow minded as yourself are interested in future change. I am doing my Masters in Australian and Middle Eastern politics and your views really shock me! I will not waste my time quoting and referencing books and politics.
Australian politics and history are not difficult to regurgitate. You can pick up many books and spit them out. The care for positive change and interest in humanity..you can not learn in a book, or in a course…I encourage you to question and look deep into the reason why these people are demonstrating, and changes that can be made. I have seen many demos in Canberra and in Melbourne, where people are allowed to voice concerns on many issues and are protected by local police. If I was to go to the Syrian Embassy with an entourage to show my outrage on recent events, do you think, anyone would shoot me? and if they did get away with it?
A good friend of mine whom I spoke to yesterday in Damascus has been left beaten and his friends family home covered in bullet holes. These are average people, living and working as you and I. The conversation shocked me as I saw that in the past 6 months, how much he has changed: the conversation went like this:
what do u know (name removed)?
I already got beating marks on my back
my friend is arrested
my other friends house
has more than 50 bullet holes
the fuck do you know!
the fuck do you care!
for fucks sakes (name removed)
u dont give me shit for what i do
or why i do
or when i do things

04:20
i care…because i have many friends there..my partner is there..a friend of mne has vanished after a demo.i care because…
when i read things…i hear things…it upsets me…

04:20
because shu?
coming back for what?
we fucking dont need someone’s shit

04:20
and to be with my partner

04:20
to hypocricize over our blood

04:20
because he cant come to australia

04:20
2inno go be with ur partner somewhere else

04:21
..he cant leave syria

04:21
who the fuck cares
people care about here
because they’re fucking nulled out of existance
no one is out there for an ideology
nor cause
no purpose
their out
for the moral nullness
this regime
has reduced them to
ive been out to the country
for that same very reason
not to ejaculate words
for the purpose
of fetishing a country
im there because I, too, have been nulled
by a regime
that is the root reason
for all miseries
and u shitting me just cuz ur with a guy who happened to live here

go to human rights watch and amnesty international and lodge a report for ur friend that got arrested. if you havent already.

04:31
2eri bil human rights watch
we’re going to the jail to get him out ourselves
just like we’re getting everyone else out

04:33
yea whatever
2eri
fiki w fi

A good friend turned cold. An average guy, who has lost motivation and purpose because a regime controls his movements and opinions. This is not a demonstrator, a spy, or a pro or anti Assad guy. He just wants to get on with his life and live.

Again I encourage you to open your eyes, mate!

Australian

April 25th, 2011, 12:46 am

 

why-discuss said:

N.Z

Norman is talking about what he and many others dread to see happening: A revolution turning a non-sectarian country protecting the minorities into a Sunni theocracy a la Saudi Arabia, with the predictable religion intolerance. Goodbye Syria, Welcome to Syrianistan!
Egypt is gradually moving in that direction. Many copts are leaving, they believe no one will be able to go against the massive islamist wave that will soon cover Egypt.

April 25th, 2011, 1:14 am

 

Alex said:

Why Discuss

Number 2 in Egypt’s Muslim brotherhood said “we are preparing for the Islamic government and our goal is to rule the world

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/409622

«الشاطر»: نستعد للحكومة الإسلامية.. وهدفنا الوصول إلى سيادة العالم

April 25th, 2011, 1:44 am

 

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