Who was Mohammad Nasif Kheirbek?" by Mohammad D. - Syria Comment

Who was Mohammad Nasif Kheirbek?” by Mohammad D.

Who Was Mohammad Nasif?
By Mohammad D.

For Syria Comment – June 30, 2015

Muhammad Nasif

Muhammad Nasif

Mohammad Nasif Kheirbek, one of Bashar al-Assad most trusted aids, died around 5 AM. Sunday, 6/28/2015 in al-Shami Hospital in Damascus  from Prostate cancer, which he was diagnosed with about 8 years ago.  Mohammad Nasif, as he is known in Syria, held important security positions under Hafez al-Assad, and then became an Assistant to Vice President Farouk al-Shar’a during the current rule of Bashar al-Assad.  He was very highly trusted by both Assads, and was one of the very few who made it from the reign of Hafez al-Assad to that of his son Bashar.

The family of  Mohammad Nasif

Not too many people know that Mohammad Nasif Kheirbeik hails from a very big and important Alawite family.  His grandfather is Isma’il Kheirbek (1822-1858), the head of al-Mtawra Alawite tribe. He traces his ancestry to al-Makzun al-Sinjari (1187-1240), one of the most important figures in Alawite history.

Ismai’il Kheirbek rebelled against the Ottomans and was able to carve out an independent enclave for about two years 1856-1858 that was centered in Misyaf (45 km west from Hama).   He fought the Ottomans and  their local allies, like al-Danadesheh, and allied himself with local Christians, like M. Nawfal. He and his allies tried to build bridges with the British.  Ismail’s effort at rebellion and independence ended when his uncle Ali al-Shilleh  poisoned him. Most of his family were subsequently killed and their bodies sent to the the Ottoman authorities. Soon, the Ottomans shelled al-Laqbah, Ismail Kheirbek’s village. Although Ismail had build a Sarai, with their artillery. That year, 1858, the Alawites rebelled again.

Hawash, the son of Isma’il Kheirbek, who survived the family bloodbath, started a rebellion. But, he was caught and exiled first to Akka and then to Rhodes, where he died in 1897.

The Hawash Kheirbek family played a prominent role in the Alawite State that was granted a broad degree of autonomy during the French during the Mandate (1920-1946).  Aziz Hawash became the  governor/muhafez of Damascus in 1936, Jihad Hawash, an Ambassador in the 1950s, married a granddaughter of Abd al-Qader al-Jazairi. Mohammad Hawash was an army general in the 1950s who also wrote a history about the Alawite State.

The life of Mohammad Nasif

Mohamamd Nasif was born in al-Laqbeh in 1937.  His father died when he was 4.  Later, as a teenager, he moved to live with his well-to-do father’s sister living in Hama.  Not too many Alawites lived in Hama at that time.  But his aunt took care of him and Mohammad was able to graduate form Ibn Rushd high school.

After high school, he moved to Aleppo to get Ahliyat al-Ta’lim (certified as a teacher), at a two-year institute.   He became an elementary school teacher in 1958.  Then, he was appointed in al-Qamishli becoming a principle for an elementary school in two years.  But, in 1960 he was called to do mandatory army service.  At this moment, he changed his career outlook and joined the Military Academy in Homs, where he graduated in 1964.  In 1965 he was appointed in Far’a 225 where he spend the next ten years. In 1975, he was transferred to head Far’a 251 of Amn Dakhili (Interior Security).

It was during his years working for al-Amn al-Dakhili that Nasif became what he is.  So, when the fight between Hafez al-Assad, and his regime versus the Muslim Brothers’s started in 1979, Mohammad Nasif was in the midst of it.  His loyalty to Hafez al-Assad was crucial.

During this time period, Mohamamd Nasif played an important role combating the enemies of Hafez al-Assad in and around Damascus.  “He was a very hard working man. Did not get married and spent all of his time in his office at that time period,” according to a source.   His security branch, along with the two headed by Ali Duba (Mukhaba Askariyah/Army Intelligence) and Mohamamd al-Khuli (Mukhabarat Jawiyyah/ Air Force Intelligence), were according to many, the bedrock of Hafez al-Assad’s rule.

The enemies of Mohamamd Nasif speak of his reign on top of al-Amn al-Dakhili as an era of terror, intimidation, and torture.

Muhammad Nasif was let go from al-Amn al-Dakhili in 1999.  He was given a high job in the Idarat al-Mukhabarat al-‘Ammah (Intelligence General Directorate), and later in 2005 he was appointed the Assistant to Faruk al-Shar’, the Syrian Vice President.  He was one of the few that were left from the old guards of Hafez al-Assad.

When the Syrian Crisis started in 2011, Muhammad Nasif was almost retired, according to members of his family.  He was brought back because of his knowledge and good relations with many people. Most important was his close relationship with Iran’s top leaders.

According to those who knew him, Muhammad Nasif was a workaholic and man of few words. He rarely answered questions and always spoke politely.  Not too many things were known about him, which was just as he liked it.

Comments (120)


Tara said:

He died…And now he is facing GOD…

May he rest in hell for the torture he inflicted on Syrians

June 30th, 2015, 11:14 pm

 

Syrian said:

هالة العبد الله : الحقير محمد ناصيف كان يطرق رأسي بالحيط ويقول ( قالولي هالراس عنيد بدي كسرو لهالراس )

(علمت “المدن” من مصدر في مشفى الشامي بالعاصمة السورية دمشق، أن الشخصية الأمنية الرفيعة من النظام السوري، المتواجدة في الجناح 405 هي اللواء محمد ناصيف خير بك (81 عاماً) المعروف بـ”أبو وائل”. وكانت اجراءات أمنية مشددة قد اتخذت حول مشفى الشامي خلال الأيام الماضية، ما أثار لغطاً كبيراً حول هوية المريض.)
وتذكرت كيف في نهاية السبعينات وكنت لم ابلغ العشرين من عمري بعد، أثناء التحقيق معي في فرع الخطيب في السادات كيف كان هذا الضابط نفسه يمسكني من شعري ويطرق رأسي بالحيط وهو يصرخ بي : قالولي هالراس عنيد بدي كسرو لهالراس …

أذكر ايضاً أن كل ما كان يشغلني وهو يطرق بوحشية راسي بالحائط أنني لن أفتح فمي ولا حتى بصرخة وكنت أعرف أن صمت هذه الصبية الصغيرة على ألمها يزيد من غضب الضابط ومن حنقه وهذا ما كان يخفف من ألم رأسي يومها.
أربعون سنة مرو سيادة العقيد …ومازال هالراس عنيد ولم يتكسر …وما زلت اؤمن بحق شعبي بالحرية والكرامة …وبحقه بتقرير مصيره …عفوا بهالوقت صرت سيادة اللواء
منقول …هالة العبدالله ..

July 1st, 2015, 2:18 am

 

Makram said:

In 1989-1990, Bushra Al-Assad had an affair with Mohammad Nassif “the protector of the Assad family”. She did so while she was still flirting with Assef Shawkat in order to make him jealous.

July 1st, 2015, 2:52 am

 

Observer said:

My understanding is that his son was born in the US for the very purpose of acquiring de facto the US citizenship.

My question is
1. Where is his family now? In Syria or in a Western country?
2. What does the Austrian government intend to do with his possessions and how much inheritance tax is it going to take including his real estate there?
3. How active was he during the last four years?
4. Is it true that Sharah was beating up within hours of his death?
5. Is it true that he used drug addicts to perform torture by withholding their daily dose of heroin?
6. Is it true that he is married to a physician and that his wife carries the US passport?
7. Is it true that his fortune is in the hundreds of millions of dollars?

July 1st, 2015, 7:10 am

 

Aleskander said:

Never married no children,

July 2nd, 2015, 1:44 pm

 

mjabali said:

Here we go…Observer wants to put the wife on trial and put the son of M. Nasif in prison…

The article is telling that Mohammad Nasif was probably born with more money that Observer and his family

July 1st, 2015, 7:46 am

 

Sami said:

Mjabali,

Where did Observer write any of those things?

Question for you, if Julani’s wife gave birth in the U.S. Would you not object to it? Do you believe that she and her son should be extended the same rights as Americans given the atrocities her husband has been involved in?

July 1st, 2015, 9:46 am

 

mjabali said:

Sami:

There is a court and there is independent investigation whatever these people find should be the law. With time we all gonna know what really happened. I want the truth about anything before I reach any conclusion.

As for your friend Observer: how can you not see what he is calling for?

July 1st, 2015, 10:45 am

 

Sami said:

You avoided answering my question, would you object to Julani’s wife to give birth in the U.S.? Why no object to Khairbeik’s wife doing the same?

And, no. I do not see what you’re claiming. I see an American citizen questioning the right to give the family of a mass murderer that denied so many Syrians their freedoms and liberties, freedoms and liberties in the U.S.

July 1st, 2015, 11:32 am

 

ghufran said:

Jaish Al-Islam is now competing with ISIS, filming 18 prisoners from ISIS telling about their “crimes” then showing the dead bodies of the 18 men after getting shot in the head:
أسماء وصفات المحكومين كما ظهرت في إصدار “قصاص المظلومين من الخوارج المارقين”:
فهد عايد العنزي (شرعي في التنظيم) كويتي
أنس اليوسفي (تفخيخ، تفجير، ملصقات) سعودي
إياد عمر الصوران (مسؤول أمني في التنظيم)
عبدالله إسماعيل الصوان (مسؤول التسليح)
بلال ديب الدبيك (أمني مخترق لأحد فصائل الغوطة)
مهند حسن يونس (مقاتل في التنظيم)
أحمد خالد غزال ( مبايع للتنظيم)
عمر محمد حجازي (أمني شارك باغتيال أبو محمد عدس)..
عبدالكريم الجاسم (مبايع للتنظيم وكان في صفوف جيش الأمة)
خالد ياسين درويش (أمني في التنظيم)
نعيم عيسى عليوي (اغتيالات)
راضي يوسف الهواري (مقاتل في التنظيم)
هشام عبدو درويش (مقاتل في التنظيم)
عمران محمد نادر أبو جيب (اغتيالات)
محمد فايز تلو (مقاتل في التنظيم)
محمد حاتم سمير عرنوس (تفخيخ، تفجير، ملصقات)
عمر خالد عبدالرزاق خبية (قاتل مأجور ومبايع للتنظيم)
عمر محمد عبدالوهاب (نائب أمير التسليح)
When an Iraqi shia was asked why he wants Saddam back, he said:
” during Saddam days we had one group of thugs to deal with, we stayed away from politics and we lived our lives, after US invaded Iraq and removed Saddam and installed a shia government we ended up with numerous groups of thugs with multiple chiefs”

July 1st, 2015, 11:43 am

 

mjabali said:

Sami:

Bin Laden’s family lives all over the world, some of them are here in America. The American law did not kick them out. Americans, did not want revenge from them, they wanted revenge from Bin Laden himself. If these relatives were calling for the same ideology as Bin Laden they would have been kicked out.

You want revenge, I know….take it easy champion because…revenge does not work…you need reason…

As for your man Observer: was he speaking as an American when he put the minorities of the Middle East as morally corrupt and “pawns” to Western Powers? Did he forget he was living in America?

He was not talking like an American back then: he was talking like a Salafi Sheikh. He wrote words that many Americans who came originally from the minorities of the Middle East can find threatening.

You want revenge and that is obvious…I want a court of law and an independent commission to find what really happened in Syria…

July 1st, 2015, 2:30 pm

 

Tara said:

Mjabali ,

Was you who wrote this article about the late Nasif? I bet it is you? How is بسمة خليل doing?

July 1st, 2015, 3:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Observer,

Yes . Nasif was married to a doctor بسمة خليل who is 30 year old younger and was very very pretty back in the days. Not joking!

July 1st, 2015, 3:30 pm

 

Sami said:

Where did I ever call for revenge as you claim?

Why are you making things up to fit your sectarian narrative? Does everything need to be seen through a sectarian prism by you?

I as a Canadian have every damn right to question my government when it gives visas to the wives of criminals to come and give birth in my country! Observer has that right in America as well.

I wrote my MP when I found out Rifaat grand son was living in Montreal. Canada should not accept blood money. The Globe and Mail thought so as welleven exposed how other regime members were sending their wives to give birth in Canada, did they and the CBC call for revenge by doing so?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/syrian-hardliner-s-family-given-visas-for-canadian-births-report-1.561982
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/volpe-denounced-over-visitors-visas/article18230904/

July 1st, 2015, 3:43 pm

 

ALAN said:

9. GHUFRAN
That the United States is funding a mercenary army to overthrow Assad is nothing new. The only revelation contained are the money that the terrorist savages are accepting for their services in barbarity and treason on behalf of the agenda of the Anglo-American world order.

July 1st, 2015, 4:18 pm

 

Ghufran said:

It looks like the so called southern storm is on hold for now after meeting stiff resistance and probably some political pressure from big dudes who see Isis as a bigger threat for now.
Not much reported from Aleppo either,
What do you guys make up of Putin’s call for an awkward coalition between Syria, Jordan, KSA and turkey to fight Isis ? It is hard to swallow knowing how deep the divisions are.

July 1st, 2015, 7:52 pm

 

Sami said:

Btw most of Bin Laden’s family disowned him, and publicly and privately attacked him. Those that did not were never allowed into the U.S.

How many Bin Laden’s hold US citizenship?

July 1st, 2015, 4:33 pm

 

Mjabali said:

Tara:

No I am not…

I like to comment more than writing any day…More freedom

July 1st, 2015, 6:31 pm

 

Tara said:

Mjabali

I found it hard to believe it. I think it is you .

Nevertheless I am still baffled how he convinced a beautiful American trained doctor who is 30 years younger to marry him.

Like you marry George Clooney despite the age difference ( with hesitation) but you do not marry a butcher!!!

July 1st, 2015, 6:37 pm

 

Ghufran said:

I do not know much about Nasif except that he was the type who works behind the scene and did not have as many enemies as other figures who ran the police state.
Women of all types are known to choose power over age and looks.
The fact that he was a regime security chief did not seem to have reduced his chances to get married to younger women.
Many people would take Nasif over other more known names for some reason, that was a statement from a shami friend who is supporting manna3 now.

July 1st, 2015, 8:01 pm

 

mjabali said:

Tara:

Believe it…I do not waste time on writing articles…not my business… وجع راس

As for why Muhammad Nasif was able to marry a younger wife: you need to ask her or him, I am not a match maker?

July 1st, 2015, 8:11 pm

 

mjabali said:

Sami:

So, you called the Canadian authorities to report the grand son of Rif’at al-Assad, and then in the same post deny that you seek revenge?

Don’t you see there is contradiction here?

Also: you haver a son of Rif’at al-Assad who is against the rule of Bashar al-Assad: so is that man ok in your book?

Are you going to call on him the authorities in England where he lives?

What if this man was born in England: what are the procedures you see fit for this case?

July 1st, 2015, 8:17 pm

 

Sami said:

No I did not report on him, I wrote that I questioned my local MP (member of Parliment) why Canada was accepting blood money from a dictators family. This is my right as a Canadian to question the motives of my government.

The Globe and Mail, and The Canadian Broadcast Company (CBC) thought it was important as well, as did several MP’s from the NDP, Conservative Party and Bloq Quebecios. Are we all calling fr revenge?

Really, stop filling in and making things up as you go. The only contradiction here is honestly coming from you.

A lot of British Syrians have questioned British authorities over Rifaat and his family’s right to enjoy their lives in England. they should not, let Russia or Iran be their hosts not the West. After all the West is an imperial blood thirsty new world order, while Russia and Iran stand steadfast in the moqawameh…

July 1st, 2015, 8:45 pm

 

mjabali said:

Sami:

Alawites and Shia do not think the West is “an imperial blood thirsty new world order.”

Alawites, as I know, love the West and want to be friends of the West. Remember what your man Observer said: The Alawites are PAWNS of the West since hundreds of years….

It is you the Sunnis who want to change the world order. al-Muqawamah’s torch is with you guys these days…..

I hope the Alawite and the Shia give you the Sunnis the banner of al-Muqawamewh…

Again: I hope the Alawites and the Shia become friends with the West …

As I always say: good luck in your ventures and please do not include us in any plans…

July 1st, 2015, 9:32 pm

 

Sami said:

Oh yeah I forgot, all Alawites are good except a very few, while all Sunnis are evil even the few that seem good are actually bad.

Not to mention it’s not Iran, Hizballah, and Assad touting the mouqawameh banner, it’s those evil pesky Sunnis.

To you, it’s more important to give the family of a dictator Western passports because they are Alawites, over the millions of other refugees that are more deserving. Screw the displaced, the weak, help the Alawites even if they are the family of a dictator.

I just want Justice. Justice is not revenge!

July 1st, 2015, 9:51 pm

 

Observer said:

Talk about delusion and confabulations. LOL
I just asked questions and of course the response was meant to deflect from the questions.
I have not called for anything. I just want to know and this is trial by imagination of baseless intentions on my part.
What does the son have to do with the deeds of the father. And Mjabali attributes to me a condemnation of the man when all I did was ask questions about rumors and hear say about his doings and his ways.
In reality rising to the defense of the man by attributing to my questions an evil or malevolent intention against his wife and children is despicable and nothing less than the usual actions and thought process of the mafia regime. The same regime that makes any accused guilty until proven otherwise and the trial simply a confirmation or a commuting of the immediate death sentence against any dissenter.
Was he guilty or not guilty is not the question this is the purview of a court of law in a civilized country and now that he is dead all one can do is to document the good the bad and the ugly and the criminal and the innocent nothing more nothing less.

I think that we have a reincarnation of Ibn T a la Aalwi sauce now and with a little bit of onion marmalade to disguise the same ugliness and bitter taste of bigotry and hatred and racism.

I do think that his son has a US passport and why not for this guarantees that he can be protected and he has a place to go to. Every parent would like to have that for their children and more so since the regime has denied any future or security for the millions of Syrians and Lebanese and others in the region. It is only natural knowing that the regime built by the sectarian father is precarious and fragile and based on brute force and what goes around comes around. It is a recognition on the part of this smart man that there is no rule of law in Syria and that a plan B and C and D is needed.

I repeat my questions
1. Does the son have a US passport
2. Is the wife a US citizen as she trained in the US
3. Does he have part of his fortune in Austria
4. Does have millions when he started his career as a land surveyor and farm manager
5. If he has millions did he gain them fair and square
6. Did he use addicts to torture prisoners
7. Did he participate in Hama massacres
8. Did he funnel jihadists to Iraq
9. Did the US bar him from entering the country
10. Did they put him on the list of sanctioned people
11. Did he protect Sharaa and is the beating of Sharaa a reminder that the protector is gone

Mjabali please answer these specific questions if you know. Others are welcome to answer of course.

Some are now so lost and argument poor that they have resorted to despicable attributions of malevolent thoughts in every word and sentence.

Ibn T has a master pupil on this blog.

I think the dog is more intelligent than the master and perhaps the dog should read to the master the questions one by one.

July 1st, 2015, 11:13 pm

 

Observer said:

I did not call for denying the son the right to be a citizen. The son has nothing to do with the father. The fact that the father made sure that his son was born in the US is just an indication that
1. The father knew that there is no rule of law and no stability in Syria
2. The father thinks the US is the best place to have a chance at life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
3. The US is not the enemy he claims he is fighting.

The guy is smart calculating and individualistic and he has a very weak consideration for the state of the regime by doing what he did.

Fortune in Austria and US passport for the son. Apres moi le deluge is the mantra of the man as I see it.

As for ” how can you not see what he is writing” is pure Ibn T thought process my dear Sami.

Tara you and I know that there is no smoke without a fire. The very fact that the questions brought such a violent and side stepping response to move the debate elsewhere is telling how the truth and full sunshine makes some terribly uncomfortable.

July 1st, 2015, 11:21 pm

 

Observer said:

One more thing

When Mjabali attributes to me the thought (and he has ESP and he is Extra Lucide) that I want to associate the son with the deeds of the father goes along his making all of the Sunnis of today responsible for the deeds of their ancestors and therefore the first step in dehumanizing the other so that you can permit and condone and accept their massacres and their extermination. It is the same argument that the Jews were responsible of Germany’s defeat in WWI and therefore their families and children and grand children had to be put to the sword.

Again I do not think that Ibn T has descended to a such level of depravity.

Grow up and join the 21st century and understand the concept of the rule of law.

July 1st, 2015, 11:25 pm

 

omen said:

we have all gotten used to a certain level of pro regime bias on this blog, there is probably fatigue in bothering to note the obvious.

but to leave out the basic fact kheirbek was sanctioned for orchestrating violence against civilian population is a surprising omission.

During this time period, Mohamamd Nasif played an important role combating the enemies of Hafez al-Assad in and around Damascus. “He was a very hard working man. Did not get married and spent all of his time in his office at that time period,” according to a source. His security branch, along with the two headed by Ali Duba (Mukhaba Askariyah/Army Intelligence) and Mohamamd al-Khuli (Mukhabarat Jawiyyah/ Air Force Intelligence), were according to many, the bedrock of Hafez al-Assad’s rule.

combating enemies like unarmed men, women and children.

so he was a hard working exterminator nazi. will casual readers decipher laundered euphemism?

The enemies of Mohamamd Nasif speak of his reign on top of al-Amn al-Dakhili as an era of terror, intimidation, and torture.

the ENEMIES of mohamamd nasif speak? “oh you cant believe biased haters, that’s just crazy talk.”

i dont get it. why bother if you are not going to be honest about the topic covered?

“by Mohammad D.” – i’d hide behind an alias too peddling this whitewash.

p.s. randa slim had an intriguing note, yet this too was irritatingly oblique in failing to bring clarity.

Security chief is dead after a long illness. He died having given up on Assad.

Mohammad Nassif never took notes, never kept written records of his meetings. Too many secrets died with him

it is overdue for this this regime to be brought out of the shadows and discussed frankly.

p.s.s. when is objectivity the hardest? when you know the person.

July 2nd, 2015, 12:55 am

 

omen said:

well, didn’t see anyone note this.

May 12th, 2015:

News on the fate of the three central pillars of Assad’s regime has been reported, confirming that Ali Mamlouk, Mohammed Nassif Kheir Beik and Thu al-Himmah Shalish have all entered ash-Shami Hospital.


Informed sources confirmed to Siraj Press the three men were attempting a coup, following communications with President Bashar al-Assad’s uncle, Rifaat Assad.

July 2nd, 2015, 1:58 am

 

omen said:

more detail:

Who’s who: Mohamad Nassif Kheir Beik

Nassif played a key role in getting rid of Assad’s opponents in the first years of his rule.

[…]

He was in charge of the Lebanese Shiite portfolio, and played a role in raising Assad’s sons, the late Bassel, Bashar and Maher.

[…]

Assistant vice-president

In the late seventies, he was commissioned the job of eliminating the new leftist groups. He personally led campaigns against The Communist Action League, the Workers Union and the Workers Communist Party, and carried out the investigation with them. However, with the outbreak of the Muslim Brothers’ rebellion against Assad in 1979, he shifted gears and became the top security officer to combat the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Internal Affairs branch was famous for using the worst torture tools, and many former prisoners, including famous writers and intellectuals, spoke about the torture they received in that branch.

In addition to the internal affairs, Nassif was in charge of the Shiite portfolio. He enjoyed good relations with the Lebanese legend, Shiite leader Moussa al-Sadr, who disappeared after visiting Libya’s Kaddafi in 1978, and the Iranian Shiite leader Tabatabaei.

The Syrian revolution

When the Syrian revolution broke out in March 2011, Nassif was an active proponent of finding a political solution to the crisis. He shared this mission with the president’s political advisor Butheina Shaban. He met with opposition figures, including one of his relatives, who works for a renowned human rights group in the country. He also met Western ambassadors, including the United States ambassador, in an attempt to contain the crisis.

These efforts however collapsed after the regime opted for a security (military) solution.

[…]

Relations with the United States

A pro-government website, Syria- Politic, says that Nassif travelled to the US during his intelligence career and after he retired. Damascus would say in these cases that Nassif travelled to the US for medical treatment, but some people say that Nassif’s illness is a ‘political one rather than a medical one.’ The website adds that Nassif was behind arranging historical meetings between Syrians and Americans, including the meetings between President Hafez al-Assad and President Clinton in the 1990s.

The website also attributes the EU siege lifting in the late 2000s to Nassif’s efforts and visits to European capitals.

July 2nd, 2015, 2:28 am

 

Badr said:

“Observer” is OK with Nasif’s son, while Sami is up in arms over Rifaat’s grandson. I don’t know what the difference is between the two cases, any clarification?

July 2nd, 2015, 2:55 am

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

If Assad loses Damascus he is practically gone, the Alawi state can not survive, due to much smaller army, isolation from surrounding states and internationally, lack of economic resources,and the chaos that will follow, further Iran and Russia who support Assad now will balk at further support as the new situation will make it very unreasonable to invest in Assad,Lebanon old civil war will erupt again this will force Iran to change its support
Assad lost his legitimacy internationally , he will not regain his legitimacy again , internationally, and the Assad can not recruit soldiers whose families are in the rest of Syria, the number of Allawis left will not be able to recruit an army more than hundred thousand, there is misconception that the Syrian Allawis are ten percent of Syria population , they count the Allawis in Eskandarone which is now under Turkish control, part of Turkey, while Allawis consider them Syrians , they are actually Turkish, and should not be counted as Syrians.
Further the chaos that will follow, will impose different way of living , as they used the Sunneh to work for them , they have to work themselves, and the large Allawis population who are now working in Damascus and other Sunneh cities will lose their jobs and income, this is the worst factor as they will resent severely, this will erode Assad power further

July 2nd, 2015, 6:23 am

 

mjabali said:

al Shaykh al-Fadel Observer:

It is obvious that you are trying to lower the status of the Alawites, an example: the phrase “Onion Marmalade.” Then in the same sentence you accuse me of bigotry…tsk tsk tsk… You are one funny guy..

So you think that Your sect produces the best Marmalade in the World?…no problem…you guys are specialists in Marmalade…

Then…you make a long detailed list of questions for me and right after that you insult me and say that my dog is smarter than me….hehhhehhee You really made me laugh..

روح فصفص بزر

July 2nd, 2015, 12:28 pm

 

mjabali said:

Sami:

You lack logic mr. Sami, sorry to say: all emotions and accusations…like I want to deny the refugees a visa….or I said that the Alawties are all angels and there are not many of them responsible for this problem in Syria….

You and many are calling to punish all the Alawites…You just said it few days ago that the “Alawites are killing the Sunnis”…

I will never say to give a pass to killers’ families. I always say that anyone responsible for anything bad should stand in front of a judge and pay for their crimes.

July 2nd, 2015, 1:01 pm

 
 

Observer said:

Again deflect from the questions. The despicable part is attributing my questions to a condemnation of the child when he is not responsible for the acts of the father something that apparently Sunnis have to pay for the death of Hussein more than 1400 years ago.
He who has a shard feels it under the skin: hence the dog reading to the master riled somebody.

There is no honesty and no integrity in these barbecue onion marmalade Macedonian salads

July 2nd, 2015, 3:20 pm

 

omen said:

24. Sami said:

Oh yeah I forgot, all Alawites are good except a very few, while all Sunnis are evil even the few that seem good are actually bad…

To you, it’s more important to give the family of a dictator Western passports because they are Alawites, over the millions of other refugees that are more deserving. Screw the displaced, the weak, help the Alawites even if they are the family of a dictator.

July 2nd, 2015, 8:01 pm

 

omen said:

27. Observer said:

When Mjabali attributes to me the thought (and he has ESP and he is Extra Lucide) that I want to associate the son with the deeds of the father goes along his making all of the Sunnis of today responsible for the deeds of their ancestors and therefore the first step in dehumanizing the other so that you can permit and condone and accept their massacres and their extermination.

July 2nd, 2015, 8:14 pm

 

ALAN said:

It is the pressure, and not the conscience, that will move Zionist Israel to choose peace.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/02/how-zionism-corrupts-judaism/

July 3rd, 2015, 12:56 am

 
 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Once more, the professor excels in digging sanitized bullshit when describing “regime figures”.

All of the article’s sanitized chronology of the filthy man’s life does not describe him. What describes this hyena are the thousands of maimed detainees, wounded souls, and the memory of murdered sons, husbands, brothers, sisters, mothers, who died at his hands and the hands of his minions. Notwithstanding the obliteration of any chance for criticism of the mad hyena packs called ass-ad clan even within the so called close circle.

July 3rd, 2015, 5:10 am

 

Observer said:

Well said Hamster. This is one of a multitude of criminal thugs fueled by hatred and drunk with power and sadist psyche

July 3rd, 2015, 8:11 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Syria Comment asks the question, “Who was Mohammad Nasif Kheirbek?”, to which I say, “Who gives a F?”.

This is like asking, Who was Al Capone or Aldolph Hitler’s secretary and most trusted advisor.

Instead of making thugs newsworthy, let’s champion individuals that have done great things. I second Syrian Hamster ‘ s sentiment.

July 3rd, 2015, 2:49 pm

 

Tara said:

Akbar Palace

Can’t agree more . And guess who is narrating ? None other than M Jabali … Our Alawi Ibn Taymieh in-residence. Note the emphasis on this butcher assistant ‘s family heritage . Like who gives a damn? And see the light it is portraying that murderer: ” brutal in the eyes of his enemies “. To make it sounds controversial. And the bug problem is that most Alawis actually believe it. That is what observer used to call inferior-superiority complex.

July 3rd, 2015, 3:10 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Hi Tara,

Just checkin’ in from Maui, Hawaii. I’m in paradise, meanwhile a lot of people are suffering, especially in the ME.

I’m a bit puzzled by Mjabali. He has something against sunni muslims. Everyone needs freedom, sunnis, shiites, Alawis, etc., and Assad FAILED in this AND didn’t protect his people. No use crying over what was. I hope Syrians get rid of Assad soon, and start rebuilding their country asap.

July 3rd, 2015, 5:50 pm

 

mjabali said:

Tara:

If you think that I am the only one interested in Alawite History please calculate again.

Read Nabil Fayad and Ubai Hasan for example instead of eating بزر.

It looks that you are upset that there is anything to do with Alawite History. You want the Alawites to be only peasants: not leaders or merchants or doctors…just peasants trying to make marmalade out of onions as your friend claims.

More and more things about the Alawite history are being uncovered not only by Alawites but by Sunnis also.

July 3rd, 2015, 6:53 pm

 

mjabali said:

Mr. Akbar Sunbather:

While in Hawai

You should think about the minorities of the Middle East and how they can survive….

July 3rd, 2015, 7:05 pm

 

Tara said:

Mjabali’

“It looks that you are …”

That is exactly why I call you the Alawi Ibn Taymieh . You always judge people based on how you feel about their sect not based on what they say.

July 3rd, 2015, 7:14 pm

 

Tara said:

Akbar,

Maui is lovely. Take the bike down the volcano tour if you like biking. Enjoy your vacation while thinking how 8 out of 10% of Assad’s sect have harbored hatred towards sunnis since the 15 centuries and now not only promote but also condone barrel bomb and gasing them.

July 3rd, 2015, 7:21 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Tara,

Thanks! So you’ve been here before! Cool!

I’m sitting at the concierge desk planning activities now. Skipping the bike trip down the mountain, but, doing horse back riding, bus trip to Hana, sunset sailing, pearl harbour memorial, snorkling, ?? So far having a great time…

Tara,

Before Assad starting attacking Deer’a and shooting demonstrators, i never heard all this hate. IOW, that Alawis hated sunnis, etc. Now ur saying this was so for 1000 yrs. Perhaps this “hate” thing is a result of losing security and position. Perhaps alawis, being a minority, are fearing for their survival and are mistakenly taking out on the rest of the population.

July 3rd, 2015, 8:16 pm

 

omen said:

44. Akbar Palace said: Syria Comment asks the question, “Who was Mohammad Nasif Kheirbek?”, to which I say, “Who gives a F?”.

i give a fuc, akbar. past history is important. understanding how we got here is important. but examination of the regime needs to be done honestly. this whitewash is not acceptable. that such an influential blog would host it is an affront to its credibility and smacks of agenda.

this man was no mere secretary. he has blood on his hands.

i also question, akbar, your dismissal of accountability. it betrays an apprehension of where this trail might lead us.

you wouldn’t say “Who gives a F?” to examination of nazi warcrimes.
you wouldn’t say “Who gives a F?” to holocaust deniers. etc.

July 3rd, 2015, 8:28 pm

 

Tara said:

Akbar ,

I never thought either that they harbored all this visceral historical hatred until I read them here on SC and watched all those tapes of Alawis burning people alive , burying them alive, slaughtering children after making them watch their parents being slaughtered,humiliating the elderly and butchering whole families. It is that unspeakable ugliness and monstrosity that made me believe they were raised on hatred with their mothers’ milk. These kinds of atrocities can’t take place without historical and cultural hatred . How can otherwise normal human being tolerate and cheer what Assad has done?

July 3rd, 2015, 8:39 pm

 

omen said:

a syrian doctor i follow pointed out alawites fled to syria to escape shia iranian persecution who were killing them en masse.

so alawites fled to syria where sunnis gave them sanctuary. and this is the thanks sunnis get?? betrayal, genocide and torture on an industrial scale. alawites are now empowering the very shia forces who eons ago were butchering them!

there was a thought experiment tara earlier raised – knowing what we know now – doesn’t it make sense that syrians would have been better off if they had barred alawites from migrating to syrian shores in the first place? they would have spared themselves future treachery.

i really hope mjabali isnt representative of his sect. i’ve never seen such selfishness. wont even acknowledge sunni torment nor the carnage assad has left in his wake, all in the name of “protecting minorities.” everything is “me, me, me” with him. insular and exclusionary with a superiority complex (like tara noted.)

the very least a human being would do is to express sympathy & regret. i have seen none from loyalists.

July 3rd, 2015, 8:49 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

i give a fuc, akbar. past history is important. understanding how we got here is important. but examination of the regime needs to be done honestly. this whitewash is not acceptable. that such an influential blog would host it is an affront to its credibility and smacks of agenda.

Omen,

I agree with you habb, and I’m sorry if I came off insensitive. I followed Hamster ‘ s questions and agreed with him.

If you have been following these recent trials of 90 year old ex-Nazis, you find they were just following orders. Why would someone VOLUNTEER to join the SS? Someone afraid? Someone who doesn’t want get killed? Someone who likes killing? This drek, who was the Nazi Accountant witnesses babies getting thrown against rail cars. He believed the propaganda that “the jews” were “Germany ‘ s Misfortune”. So Evil gets washed away like sand mountains at the beach.

Omen, the bastards should be rounded up to meet their justice as soon as possible. Who ever is guilty. Don’t wait until tyre 90. But just remember, Two wrongs, do not make a right.

How can otherwise normal human being tolerate and cheer what Assad has done?

I don’t know. I think Assad supporters justify it because of the “ISIS terrorist threat” he allowed in to Syria as an excuse.

July 3rd, 2015, 9:14 pm

 

Juergen said:

Talal is always good for a surprise…

Prince Talal of Saudi Arabia: my visit to Israel shall mark the new age of peace and fraternity

“I was always candid regarding the utmost necessity of quelling the growing waves of anti-Semitism in our volatile region , added Prince Talal, and I shall remain lavish in my praise to Israel as the sole democratic entity in one the most tyrannical parts in the entire world.”

http://awdnews.com/political/prince-talal-of-saudi-arabia-my-visit-to-israel-shall-mark-the-new-age-of-peace-and-fraternity

July 3rd, 2015, 11:47 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Yes, this multi-billionaire Saudi prince also went public a few days ago about donating billions to charity:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-vows-donate-32-billion-charity-n385586

Now, since the KSA is a tight family business, I assumed this was a political ploy. He represents the government. Now that he wants to visit the Holy Land, it seems to me the KSA is looking for allies. The deterioration of the ME is causing a number of countries to re-think their alliances.

July 4th, 2015, 12:42 am

 

Badr said:

Jürgen on July 3rd, 2015, at 11:47 pm:

I think the story is a hoax. Can you provide a reliable confirming source?

July 4th, 2015, 5:49 am

 

ALAN said:

56. JUERGEN
Arabs are Semites, while Nazis Germans are those, who violated the humanity of Semites.
Talal unsavory words not worth the paper that the article was written! Not Talal and not his money, who does decide the affairs of the region.
Decision always and forever will be taked by the capital of the universe in Damascus!

July 4th, 2015, 6:33 am

 

omen said:

https://twitter.com/aron_ld/status/616604162726461440

an intriguing discussion on bedouin tribes that whets the appetite but also made me despair opposition hasn’t gotten more help from house of saud despite familial ties. or have these connections been worked instead to ward off intervention? something rana k. has hinted at before.

lurking journos – please write a column exploring saudi/syrian ties!

yes an authoritarian monarchy would be threatened by regime change next door but i wouldn’t discount tribal influence either.

July 4th, 2015, 10:22 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

ALAN and anti-semites in general, take it easy.

With the visit of Prince Talala to Al Quds for the first time semites (arabs and jews) could be united in the face of anti-semitic forces of IRAN.

Iranian races are genetically in common to the indoeuropean peoples that later dominated the north of Europe. Hitler took the sbastica sign from the Zoroastral iranian sign that at the same time have been received from the Indus Valley adoration of the eternal fire sign.

Hitler and Iran have genetical, historical and cultural links. All tried to anihilate semites and all failed once and again.

Arabs and Jews let´s rise and Fuxxx Iran altogether !!!

July 4th, 2015, 10:39 am

 

mjabali said:

My God…Did anyone read Omen’s comment # 54?

What Omen showed in comment # 54 is enough to ask her politely to leave us Syrians alone.

She gets paid to post in Syria Comment. No problem. But serisouly, those paying her should know better than peddling a story that the Alawites came to Syria from somewhere else….

the homework for Omen now: let us know how much Sunnis came to Syria in the last 500 years? How much Shia were in Syria 500 years ago, or 300 years ago? How much Druz? ًWhat was the percentage of Christians to the Sunnis? How much Ismailis were there? Is it true the Sunnis were the majority back then?

Then Omen goes and points to Tara and say that Tara had wanted the Sunnis to have prevented the Alawites from coming to the coast…hahhaa….

To finish her post: Omen after calling for the displacement of millions of Alawites comes back and accuse me of being insensitive ….tsk tsk tsk

عصفورية

July 4th, 2015, 12:04 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Iran was 80 % sunna when iranian shia were 5 % in the first otoman centuries. At that time syria was mostly Christian and shia. It is widely said among scholars that christians were a majority of Syrian and Iraqi territories until the 13th century at least.

July 4th, 2015, 12:43 pm

 

ALAN said:

Over the last few months the Kurds have been presented as true freedom fighters at full level, against ISIS.

Kurdish fighters have indeed fought bravely against ISIS, dealing blow after blow to the Western-backed terrorist group on a number of occasions. Indeed, the Kurds have fought so skillfully that the US was quick to steal credit for a high-profile operation ( that was actually conducted by Syrian and Iraqi Kurds – the rescue of trapped Yazidis on the top of Mt. Sinjar).

The resolve that Kurdish fighters showed in their fight against ISIS at Ayn al-Arab (Kobane) was extraordinary as was their understanding of the necessity for coordination and cooperation with the Syrian government with regards to issues containing mutual strategic self-interest for both parties.

the treacherous and perfidious US and NATO powers seek to use the Kurdish desire for an independent country as a destabilizing force against Syria, Iraq, and Iran and a galvanizing force for the Turks.

Our history is full with such Western machinations

July 4th, 2015, 12:52 pm

 

omen said:

a regime shill accuses me of being on the take. the irony. i dont get paid shit. my opinions are my own.

62. mjabali

there are innocent & noble alawi. even now, there are signs of anti regime resistance on the ground. god knows, there have been many alawite killed, even regime insiders assassinated, because they refused to kiss the boot.

but traitors who sided with bashar when challenged “assad or syria burns” forfeited their right to be considered syrian. loyalists have destroyed the country. only backstabbing interlopers would have so little regard for a people and a nation who had once magnanimously granted them sanctuary. regime pilots clamor their commanders for the right to have the honor to bomb defenseless civilians to the point their remains can only be gathered in plastic bags. thousands of years of sacred heritage flushed down the toilet and lost forever because judas assadists betrayed their homeland for a handful of silver.

July 4th, 2015, 5:15 pm

 

omen said:

alawite are not shia. shia regard you as heretics.

a cleric passed a fatwa in 1959 absorbing alawites under the fold of islam but this was done purely for political reason. recognition coming so late and something passed that recently is questionable. there was a later fatwa issued renouncing the previous.

July 4th, 2015, 5:58 pm

 

Observer said:

This is the problem: age old hatred and persistent complete painting of the other as evil so that one dehumanizes the other before one massacres it. I quote: “he homework for Omen now: let us know how much Sunnis came to Syria in the last 500 years? How much Shia were in Syria 500 years ago, or 300 years ago? How much Druz? ًWhat was the percentage of Christians to the Sunnis? How much Ismailis were there? Is it true the Sunnis were the majority back then?” Who cares and is this a call for ethnic cleansing and if so where will it stop and how? It also shows that the concept of citizenship in the mind of the sect is elastic on the one hand and explains how the slaughter of the Sunnis comes so easily to these people who have been fed with their mother’s milk hatred and dehumanization such that their only defining characteristics is the degree of hatred and how much “revenge” they have inflicted on the others.

In the end there is very little positive defining characteristics of the sect; it is mostly negative attributes of what they are not. Well I have yet to see any accomplishments of art science culture architecture thought poetry or even history writing.

On a different note, the depiction of the family of Kheirbek reminds of the old Sunni families of Damascus who continue to tout their ancestry and define themselves by the actions and wealth of their parents and forefathers.

It seems that Kheirbek has become Damascinized {Iddamshaq}} as we say in Damascus; that is he may have become a Sunni Old Family Man.

Again this is another example of the pull of the family/clan as people in the ME cannot identify themselves with a national identity and “need” the clan/family/sect defining anchors as there is not statehood and no citizenship.

My questions remain unanswered because the answers are too incriminating and too embarrassing to post I guess.

Can we move on to another posting instead of staying on this silly inconsequential one?

July 4th, 2015, 6:26 pm

 

omen said:

35. Aleskander said: Never married no children

.

background that touches upon cultural disdain/hostility towards homosexuals.

i dont know about you but this set off my gay-dar.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CInmqG6WUAACXYM.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CInNYSdUkAAzqRP.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIaOoXMW8AAf_kC.jpg

a couple of questions this raises.

-what would happen if bashar got outed for being gay? is his being handicapped by a lisp a giveaway?

-hiding his true nature would explain a lifetime of repression being distorted into psychotic, homocidal rage.

-a closeted homosexual would be vulnerable to blackmail. does bashar go along with iranian machinations upon fear of being outed?

discuss:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIhbbpCUYAAHW1K.jpg

ass sadists not only molest women, they viciously rape men & boys in prison.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3OPI1uIgAAWk88.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B138udpIYAEgVyS.jpg

is there no depth to the depravity loyalists wont sanction? where do apologists draw the line?

July 4th, 2015, 7:49 pm

 

ALAN said:

The intensifying terror and intimidation methods used by the ISIL in Syria prove that those supporting the terrorist group seek to obtain their goals through violence and want to fully raze certain races from the region’s population map

The new methods of execution used by the ISIL show that the US supports the terrorist group directly since the technologies it uses for recording and producing the videos of its beheadings and executions is completely different from other groups in the region.

“Israel’s presence in ISIL’s command center is indicated by the savagery of this terrorist group that is based on Talmudic rituals,”

It is confirmed on Friday that at least 20 people were executed by the ISIL terrorist group in the predominantly-Kurdish city of Kobani, in the Northern parts of Syria.

The ISIL executed 20 civilians and wounded 15 others, after locals fought back an ISIL surprise attack in the town of Barkh Butan in South of Kobani.

ISIL, with members from several western countries, controls parts of Syria and Iraq, and has been carrying out horrific acts of violence such as public decapitations and crucifixions against all communities such as Sunnis, Kurds, and Christians.

July 5th, 2015, 2:24 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

“Israel’s presence in ISIL’s command center is indicated by the savagery of this terrorist group that is based on Talmudic rituals,”

Ahlan,

Not sure where your quote is from, but the terrorists call themselves “ISLAMIC State” not Jewish State. And I don’t think Islamic State follows the Talmud. They probably follow their own perverted interpretation of the Koran. Just FYI.

July 5th, 2015, 2:48 am

 

Hopeful said:

All these discussions and debates about Sunnis vs Alawites vs Shiias vs Kurds are very sad. They remind me of debates I found myself in the middle of during the 90’s among ex-Yugoslav citizens while I was in graduate school. They were all about who did what to whom more than a hundred years before, who should apologize to whom, and who should be grateful to whom. Those debates were endless, and turned college friends at the time into sworn enemies who would not talk to each other on the same campus. Tragic.

The “Yugoslav” wars lasted for about a decade. During which, many people where killed and many massacres were committed, on all sides. But I believe everyone today agrees that the Serbian leadership – both political and military – held the main responsibility for those tragic events at the time. Today the Assadists are doing the same in Syria. And the Syrians seem more polarized than ever.

July 5th, 2015, 3:12 am

 

ALAN said:

/But I believe everyone today agrees that the Serbian leadership – both political and military – held the main responsibility for those tragic events at the time./

Tell me when the criminals W. Bush and Blair will sit in the prison? when OBama? Rice? H. Clinton? J Mc Cain? and all american war maniacs??? etc…
need to stop clumsy words.

July 5th, 2015, 3:50 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

68. OMEN said:

ass sadists not only molest women, they viciously rape men & boys in prison

Omen are you speaking out of experience or repeating what others have told you? Experience collected as a guard or as a prisoner?

Your homosexual theories and speculations are hilarious propaganda equipped with a Christian Californian sensitive gaydar (if in a photo are two men (or more) they are homosexuals especially if they are Arabs – concludes Omen). Do you seriously think that the readers here will adapt such perverted propaganda made by a frustrated Christian woman sitting in California and recycling it. By directly accusing Assad and his supporters for homosexuality, do you ride on the sentiments of your ultra religious Sunni and Jewish friends? Omen do you spread homophobic fears or support homosexual relations? So are you a narrow-minded religious nut or a tolerant western rainbow liberal and human rights activist?

Why are Omen so hostile towards “alleged” homosexuals? Did your father come out of the closet when you were three years old? Well that is only speculation in trying to find an answer to your behavior.

July 5th, 2015, 5:18 am

 

ALAN said:

Residents of Oklahoma, you are in front of an exam! Do you have a democracy and the rule of law? prove it in practice? May be the cut of American democracy better suited for your figure? and give us to know.
good luck!

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31673-frackquake-madness-35-fracking-earthquakes-rock-oklahoma-in-a-week-regulators-call-event-a-game-changer

July 5th, 2015, 10:05 am

 

mjabali said:

al -Shaykh al-Fadel Observar:

Your comment#67 contains something really funny:

You start your comment by saying:

“This is the problem: age old hatred and persistent complete painting of the other as evil so that one dehumanizes the other before one massacres it.”

Then you say about the Alawites, maybe 10 seconds after:

“In the end there is very little positive defining characteristics of the sect; it is mostly negative attributes of what they are not. Well I have yet to see any accomplishments of art science culture architecture thought poetry or even history writing.”

Shykhuna al-Fadel Observer: do you read what you write in the same comment?

July 5th, 2015, 3:40 pm

 

mjabali said:

Hopeful:

Syrian sects should discuss their problems with each others. We live in the 21st C. and pretending things are just fine is not correct.

Even with all of the problems we have here on this blog between people from different sects: I think you have good discussions, here and there, at about sects that could lead to something.

July 5th, 2015, 3:46 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#76 Mjabli

Of course you can and should discuss them. But perhaps we can all learn one or two things from Akbar Palace about healthy debates that could actually lead to something other than more hatred and more killings.

Bear in mind that there are many things I disagree with Akbar on, not because he is Israeli but because he seems to be a conservative republican, and I am more of a liberal democrat!

July 5th, 2015, 5:53 pm

 

Observer said:

It is perfectly consistent: you define yourself by what you are not and in so doing dehumanize the other so as to exterminate him/her.

Once again there is nothing absolutely nothing of consequence coming from the historian in residence except delusions and confabulations and self centered sense of superiority baed on myths and bizarre beliefs.

Calling for living in the 21st century when we are told endlessly about the composition of Syrian some 500 years ago and of the hundred year of Ottoman ethnic and religious redrawing of the map of the country such that in the end it is nothing less than calling for ethnic cleansing and genocidal actions.

I do not think that the thought process has left the 13th century of Ibn T. It is stuck there with calling for ethnic cleansing and endless brutality.

In reality there is nothing the sect has brought to Syria or to the world for that matter.

I have given a list of history books to read; the problem is that the pre conceived ideas are refuting even facts on the ground.

I would say that this post on this regime figure is a good example of the thuggish nature of the regime to its very core and for the criminal minded sectarian hatred.

We all know that Basel was married post death to reduce the Austrian tax burden.

I wonder how much taxes his spouse is going to pay.

July 5th, 2015, 6:10 pm

 

mjabali said:

Shaykh Observer:

You keep coming out with gems like this:

“In reality there is nothing the sect has brought to Syria or to the world for that matter.”

That is an amazing statement you deserve an OSCAR for it…

also:

“you define yourself by what you are not and in so doing dehumanize the other so as to exterminate him/her.”

Also:

” have given a list of history books to read..”

Amazing…

July 5th, 2015, 7:27 pm

 

mjabali said:

Hopeful:

Healthy Debates? Between who and who? Where are those…all debates are leading to more misunderstanding, if I may call it that, not to be paranoid.

Debates are negotiations between ideas which should lead to results if you have the need to. We need to start somewhere because we need results.

If you do not start this and attract more people from all sects/parties you will stay in your trench shooting at the other side…

July 5th, 2015, 7:37 pm

 
 

Observer said:

So Kheirbek the grand father rebelled against oppression. Surely his grandson must understand that oppression breads revolt and that oppression forces one to ally with foreigners. Yet the grandson did not learn anything. He rose in the ranks of the security services to become the executor of the policies of the mafiosi himself.

It shows that he did not learn anything that he remained stuck in his sectarian hatred and in his single minded worldview. He was important but never voiced any objections to the current ethnic cleansing and the current brutality.

Once again we have examples of some wanting to have a separate state and I say more power to them. Let them have their state that was not to be as the French encouraged such a creation and let them have their current leader and his mafia as their blood sucking mafiosi clan in charge.

Let them get out of our hair and create their state have statutes for Hawash and Ismail Kheirbek.

July 5th, 2015, 8:07 pm

 

omen said:

68. omen –

i forgot the cherry that tops the banana sundae:

beesho’s a momma’s boy. a classic marker.

this was said to be one of his favorite bands.

i cant imagine why (note the undertones.)

another trait:

Officials and Western diplomats who met with Assad speak of a vain man, convinced his was the only right way.

beesho didnt get married until he was 34. and that’s only because he became “president” and needed to keep up appearances. remaining a “life long bachelor” like his groomer nasif would have raised too many eyebrows.

During his time in London, Bashar al-Assad lived in a flat in an upmarket area south of Hyde Park.

hyde park. notorious for being an area popular for gay cruising.

Hyde Park has notoriously been the place for rich gays to go to pick up Guardsmen. For centuries ORs of the royal Household troops supplemented their pay in this way, to the extent that fancying soldiers was an established sexual quirk.

could be coincidence.

Bashar al-Assad found the use of computers, and specifically unrestricted internet access, a liberating and exhilarating experience (Lesch, 2005).

“liberating and exhilarating” for bashar to secretly view gay porn.

Very little is known about Bashar al-Assad’s romantic relationships. This is not to say that they did not exist, but rather that they were not publicly disclosed.

that’s because he couldn’t afford to disclose them. had to be kept secret.

According to Lesch (2005), Asma and Bashar al-Assad have chosen not to disclose how they met and progressed to marriage, as it is one aspect of their very public life that they wish to remain private.

more secrets. hilarious they couldn’t cobble together a cover story.

Despite his adaptation to Western
civilisation, Bashar al-Assad seldom socialised, not even with the large Arab community that resided within London (Lesch, 2005).

he couldn’t exactly flaunt his gay lifestyle in everybody’s face.

Furthermore, this study notes the lack of data on Bashar al-Assad’s romantic relationships. Although Bashar al-Assad did engage in the traditional marriage enterprise, it was long after the predefined stage [of life] outlined by Levinson et al. (1978).

anybody see beesho with a girlfriend before asthma? anyone?

personally, i dont have a problem with gays as a glance at my timeline will attest. i have a problem with this psychopath getting away with mass murder and western media providing cover by interviewing him and lending him credence, absurdly allowing him to peddle the fiction to present himself as an upstanding leader in a suit & tie, a “family man” heading a secular, legitimate government beleaguered by radical terrorists (that he released from prison)- as well as networks refusing to broadcast the carnage he’s inflicted.

his whole life is a lie. this mad man should not be allowed to harbor secrets.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIaOoXMW8AAf_kC.jpg

July 5th, 2015, 9:19 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Bb is mad and he may do something stupid. Erdugang is also mad and he is helping Isis to deter the Kurds.
Jordan is screwed and stuck in that position.
Zabadani may fall or at least br under a seige. Nusra is trying to take Aleppo but that will be more difficult than Idleb.
The southern storm mostly produced gas and caused the death of hundred of people from both sides.
A hot summer for sure !!

July 5th, 2015, 9:41 pm

 

Tara said:

Statues for collaborating with the Crossaders and the French occupation and another few for hatred and savagery.

Mjabali , with all due respect, please educate us to what good has the sect done to Syria and the world ?

July 5th, 2015, 9:51 pm

 

Tara said:

Mjabali , let me educate you what good 90% of the Alawis has done for Syria and the world .

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/06/assad-war-crimes-syria-torture-caesar-hospital

تاريخ غير مشرف البتة

July 5th, 2015, 10:16 pm

 

Tara said:

Mjabali,

“Virtually all of the bodies—thousands of them—betray signs of torture: gouged eyes; mangled genitals; bruises and dried blood from beatings; acid and electric burns; emaciation; and marks from strangulation. ”

This is what Alawis brought to Syria! So be proud…Not.

The difference between Alawi and Sunni terrorism is glaring! More than 90% of Sunnis condemn Qaeda and ISIS . More than 90% of Alawis condoned above.

Ans wasn’t Hawash name , one of Nasif ‘s ancestor documented on the Alawis ‘s petition to the French to keep the occupation..

July 5th, 2015, 10:24 pm

 

Akbar Palace said:

Norman,

Thanks for the link. I disagree with the author. No Druze lynch mob is acceptable. The Druze are loyal, constructive citizens of the state, but this occurrence is unacceptable. I doubt it will happen again.

Hopeful, just to be clear, I am not Israeli, I’m an American of jewish heritage. I lived in israel for 2 years many moons ago, and I speak hebrew. It’s ok to have different outlooks; I enjoy learning from others.

July 6th, 2015, 12:38 am

 

Observer said:

Tara the responses have stopped making any sense; just saying how laughable this is or that.
Here for you a very nice analysis of the nature of the regime
ماهر شرف الدين: كلنا شركاء

تناقلت بعض المواقع السورية خبراً “طريفاً” يتحدّث عن استعمال باعة الأفلام الإباحية في شارع الثورة بدمشق صوراً لبشار الأسد من أجل إخفاء بضاعتهم!

وبرأيي إن في مثل هذا الخبر أفضل ردّ على الضجّة التي افتعلها الموالون بسبب حذف صورة حافظ الأسد عن فئة الألف ليرة.

فقد كانت صورتا الأسدين، الأب والابن، أفضل واجهة لترويج الدعارة بجميع أشكالها: من الدعارة السياسية إلى الدعارة العسكرية إلى الدعارة الثقافية… وصولاً إلى الدعارة بمعناها الجنسي البحت.

طوال خمسين عاماً استعمل النظام العلوي الحيلة نفسها التي يستعملها تجار الأفلام الإباحية بشارع الثورة، حيث روَّج للدعارة – بأنواعها كافة – من وراء ستار الصور والشعارات.

فوراء شعار الوحدة أُخفيَ مشروع تفتيت البلد.

ووراء شعار العلمانية أُخفيَ مشروع الحكم الطائفي.

ووراء شعار الصمود والتصدّي أُخفيَ مشروع الأمن الاستراتيجي لإسرائيل…

ومثلما أخفى بائع الأفلام الإباحية بضاعته خلف صورة رئيس البلاد… أخفى هذا الرئيس مشاريعه الخسيسة خلف شعارات وطنية براقة!

كلُّ مشروع صُنِعَ له ستاره الخاص لإخفائه، وكل دعارة صُنعت لها الصورة المناسبة التي تُخفيها.

والمصيبة هنا لا تُختزَل بالنتائج الكارثية فحسب، بل أيضاً بحرمان الناس من حق الاستفهام… ناهيك عن حقّ الاحتجاج!

فهذه الصور – الواجهات تمَّ مسحها بزيت القداسة، حتى صار أي استفهام حولها هو بمثابة كفر أو خيانة. وطبعاً ذلك كلّه كي تستمرّ الدعارات في عملها بدون أي إزعاج.

إن صور الأسد التي تُخفي خلفها بضاعة الدعارة في شارع الثورة بدمشق، هي أفضل تمثيل لواقع استمرّ خمسين عاماً في سوريا.

ولو طُلِبَ من أوسع الكتّاب المعارضين مخيّلةً أن يصوّر عهد الأسدين في مشهد واحد لما استطاع أن يأتي بمشهد أفضل من هذا المشهد.

***

صورة بشار الأسد تُستعمل لإخفاء صور وأفلام الدعارة؟

حقيقةً لا أعرف ما هو الطريف في الأمر!

July 6th, 2015, 7:57 am

 

omen said:

people marked the anniversary of fouad ajami‘s passing.

During a visit to New York, as Fouad was walking me through his neighborhood in Manhattan, he pointed out where Said had lived. “We saw each other in Said’s last days on the street but never talked,” Fouad said. Posing, his voice changed, he continued: “I wish we had made peace before he died.”

i have a fear of this happening. make peace before you die.

July 6th, 2015, 9:46 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Brent Oil falling 6.30 % ahead of the Deal Barack Hussein Obama / Ayatollah´s Iran.

If the shia african president of USA is ready to let all allies aside to let Iran be the ruler of the new Middle East then get ready for the real terrorism and revolution against US/IRAN Empire. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, well born lebanese, syrians and iraqis ready to rise.

Bury your old rethorics, everything will fastly change from the minute Obama Hussein signs a deal with the Ayatollahs.

July 6th, 2015, 3:08 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Did they ever has any civilization, I doubt it, since Al Mu tassem kicked them out of Talooqan, they hid in western Syria, now they are destroying Syria, killing Syrians , they are just like the criminal ISIS, both are destroying Syria, along with HA, and Iran

July 6th, 2015, 11:40 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Sandro, do you believe Iran deal will see the light? Iran is taking Obama and US to the laundry

July 6th, 2015, 11:45 pm

 

ghufran said:

Kamal Alam-FPJ:

The so-called experts and analysts fail in their predictions because they think Syria was the same as Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Tunisia, and even Egypt. They failed to realize the ground realities of Syria and most experts have not even been to Syria. For instance, the same experts were defense advisers in Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Libya. They often begin their arguments by saying, ‘In Bosnia we did so and so.’ ‘In Afghanistan, we did the surge in the South.’ Really? If Afghanistan or Iraq are barometers for success, then one must look really hard in the mirror. Most strategic analysts are opportunists linked with media and defense companies who have vested interests and are definitely not bi-partisan. Without naming names, one of the key ‘experts’ was a DOD official who become the spokesperson for the Syrian National Council. How can an American defense official all of a sudden be a Syrian expert and spokesperson for the SNC? The only credible voices on Syria have been the late Patrick Seale, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Joshua Landis. Even the ex-Israeli PM Ehud Barak said Assad would fall in two months, and this was in 2011.

July 7th, 2015, 1:55 am

 

ALAN said:

94. GHUFRAN
على قول المتل ، منرمي هال طينة عال حيط اذا ما لزقت بتعلم. الدمار كان هدفا بحد ذاته و معلوما حتى انه كان يستخلص من كلام أوباما المتكرر: /ستكون سوريا أفضل من دون الأسد/ هو تماما كان يعرف مسبقا حجم الدمار المحتمل من جراء تطبيق استراتيجيته الاجرامية مع حلفائه السفاحين.

Th. Jagland, chairman of the Nobel Peace Committee, said that President Obama “should really consider” the immediate return of his medal of the Nobel Peace Prize.
Jagland, surrounded by four other members of the Committee, said that they had never asked for the return of Peace Prize, “even from this damned war criminal like Henry Kissinger,” but “Guantanamo is still open.” Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya. There they killed Osama bin Laden and not delivered him to the dock.
Committee awarded Obama the coveted award in 2009 after he made a number of appearances in the first months of his presidency, when he persuaded the committee Peace Prize that he was for “the creation of a new climate of multilateral diplomacy … … emphasis on the role of the United Nations … dialogue and negotiations as instruments for resolving international conflicts … and the vision of a world free of nuclear weapons “.

He said that the committee members were “completely drunk” in the day when they voted just as it was during the annual AQUAVIT-tasting festival in Norway. “Completely stoned” members listened to over and over again, repetition of Obama’s speech in Cairo, representing a glorious future: the black man is America and the world into a new era of peace, hope and goodwill. “Within a few hours we were all like 18-year-old students are back in the beautiful, sometimes sunny University of Bergen! Oh, how we wept with joy! ”
The Chair said that Mr. Obama can send the medal back to simple package by regular mail, if it will help him to overcome the embarrassment of the public return.
The White House declined to comment. Later, he announced a new initiative to aggressive covert CIA to identify and detain al-Qaeda in the Nordic countries.

July 7th, 2015, 6:01 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

94. Ghufran,

When we predicted the fall of Assad by 2011-2012 we never considered the possibility of Assad being ready to totally destroy Syria before leaving power. But Assad was totally and criminally retarded and abducted by Iran.

July 7th, 2015, 12:08 pm

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

Years from now the Syrian conflict will end , the question is what are we going to remember of the Alawis, they supported Assad to the end, supported him killing hundreds of thousands of Syrians, him causing the worst savagery and criminality and tyranny Syria has ever had, he is severely sectarian, , they supported a lier who claimed he was a resistant , in fact he was a traitor, he conspired with Iran , the Shiite, to kill his people the Sunneh, he and his family stole billions of dollars, and deposited them outside Syria, he will be remembered as the one who caused the death of not only Sunneh , but also caused the death and possibly the annihilation of the Allawis sect, who committed suicide defending the most criminal man, how do they think? Are they not smart? Are they hypnotized, how are we to expect that Syrians, who suffered such huge , tremendous catastrophe , yet expect them to forgive and forget, the Allawis crimes , which will be narrated for generations to come, by supporting Assad they created so much hatred against them ,they will never recover from it,

July 7th, 2015, 8:34 pm

 

omen said:

a freakin’ miracle!

For those who are still asking why we carried weapons.

This guy freed his mother from the prisons of ASSad regime

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJVLjiYUsAEj26x.jpg

why is assad locking up and torturing the innocent? do they threaten minorities?

July 7th, 2015, 9:52 pm

 

Ghufran said:

” one of the biggest political failures of the assad regime is that it alienated many conservative muslims who never used violence before and were not interested in politics”

July 7th, 2015, 10:46 pm

 

omen said:

99. Ghufran,

what are you saying by this quote? can you point to where it originates from? i cant pull it up from google.

July 7th, 2015, 11:34 pm

 

omen said:

some context for #98 :

Reunited after being freed from Assads dungeons Idlib

someone noted it as part of a prisoner exchange.

more detail of an earlier exchange.

July 8th, 2015, 12:31 am

 

Majedkhaldoun said:

HA lost 3000 soldier, and another 4000 are wounded and can not go back to fight, HA attrition is going on,

July 8th, 2015, 8:20 am

 

Sami said:

What is the end game by sticking by more Assad? More Alawites dying as canon fodder to keep him in his throne?

The amount of death of Alawite men fighting for Assad or are serious casualties is staggering. Some say 30% of Alawite men of age are either dead or seriously wounded. It’s a shame really. When will these men and their families realize that Assad as a dead end for them?

Alawites deserve better than Assad, Sunnis deserve better than Daesh. Syria deserves better from its people.

July 8th, 2015, 11:30 am

 

omen said:

94. ghufran said: The so-called experts and analysts fail in their predictions […] Even the ex-Israeli PM Ehud Barak said Assad would fall in two months, and this was in 2011.

this explains the misleading “assad willl fall” rhetoric critics like to jump all over experts for. it wasn’t so much prediction but CYA (cover your ass).

Q: You and I have disagreed on Syria, do you think that Syria experts have been wrong in the last years especially with the regular and constant predictions of the imminent fall of the regime?

A: The generalisation is problematic. Such predictions were rather made by journalists, who have the good excuse of not being Syria experts, and Western officials, who often did so for a bad reason, i.e. in order to justify their inaction: if Asad is about to fall, then there is no need to do anything to stop him.

July 8th, 2015, 12:41 pm

 

mjabali said:

Not all Alawites support al-Assad or want what happened to the Sunnis to have happened. This is a fact. But, many of them fight for al-Assad for many reasons.

To know the leanings of the Alawites exactly you need to make a scientific survey.

Many Alawites I know are against al-Assad, but, the problem, is there is not one group willing to help them organize and do something. All they hear is revenge and more threats, the regular insults, and talk that never leads anywhere.

My two cousins, one is hiding does not dare going out. If they stop him, they would drag him to service because his name is up. His younger brother wants to leave the country.

Not all Alawites are with al-Assad: help the independent ones thrive.

July 8th, 2015, 12:55 pm

 

Ghufran said:

SOHR web site got hacked by Isis supporters.
SOHR angered both pro and anti regime people by reporting events instead of spinning the news
تعرض الموقع الالكتروني للمرصد السوري لحقوق الإنسان، المحسوب على المعارضة وأحد أبرز مصادر الأخبار حول النزاع في سوريا، للقرصنة على أيدي عناصر يقولون إنهم ينتمون إلى تنظيم “الدولة الإسلامية” المعروف إعلاميا باسم “داعش”، ما تسبب بتوقف الموقع عن العمل وتدمير محتوياته.

July 8th, 2015, 1:40 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Make no mistake about it, the constant beating on the Sunni- alawites issue is a mere distraction ftom the fact that rebels have lost support, are dominated by Islamist thugs and have failed to replace the bad regime in Syria with something better.
The posts that look the other way and are only spreading hatred and misinformation are only worthy of the nearest trash can.

July 8th, 2015, 3:25 pm

 

Observer said:

No way to have a scientific pole in this atmosphere.

I would therefore ask what approximate percentage are with the regime?

In the 80’s the campaign by the MB to target the regime was purely sectarian and the response was sectarian and one can go back and forth about the origins of the sectarian divide.

Now the strategy of painting the opposition as another Islamist movement from the get go in an effort to redo an 1980’s scenario of violent repression has backfired big time and now the protagonists are stuck with sticking with their sects.

This is a failed state, a Somalia with a few urban centers that are still functioning DESPITE the regime not because of it.

Not sure how and where and when and with whom is the help of the independents going to happen.

I am afraid it is too little too late.

July 8th, 2015, 8:07 pm

 
 

Akbar Palace said:

The Iranian mullahs keep telling us how much they hate joos while they continue to kill sunnis. Sounds like a good stategy. Hitler got away with it for a few years, until he decided to take over Europe.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-shouts-hatred-for-israel-backs-palestinian-terror/

July 8th, 2015, 8:28 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Another turn of events in Syria which confirms the fact that the war will not
end in the way either side wants. Aleppo offensive stalling , dara’a storm
stopped blowing, zabadani was entered by Hezbollah and the syrian army
and isis is now trying to keep raqqa and Tadmur.
Stop the war instead of chasing a mirage.
Rebels killed scores of civilians and kidnapped women and children, that is why
You see the release of women and children from both sides, do not twist the news,
instead try to admit that there are no clean players in this dirty war.
Killings and counter killings is not a strategy, it is a trap. People will eventually
be willing to lick their wounds but they need their tongues to do that, give people
a chance to keep their tongues.

July 8th, 2015, 8:37 pm

 

Tara said:

Mjabali,

I do not disagree. Not all Alawis support the regime. There are Alawis who are against it before and now . I do not know their percentage. Those are honest people who are not corrupt and did not use the letter قاف in a hateful way.

July 8th, 2015, 9:01 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is how the unbanned Thawraji described alawites ( on hitaan):
“They are just like flies they see the fire they go directly there, and there they die”

July 8th, 2015, 9:47 pm

 

omen said:

107. Ghufran said: Make no mistake about it, the constant beating on the Sunni-alawites issue is a mere distraction ftom the fact that rebels have lost support, are dominated by Islamist thugs and have failed to replace the bad regime in Syria with something better. The posts that look the other way and are only spreading hatred and misinformation are only worthy of the nearest trash can.

what? rebels failed to replace the bad regime with something better?? please. whenever cities are liberated, the regime either punishes it with relentless barrel bombs to make difficult any attempt at self governance or unleashes isis upon them. the last thing the regime wants to allow is any example of successful rebel governance.

no, this anger was precipitated by your objection to matthew barber daring to post a video showing reality of typical shabiha’s relentless torture of young kid.

loyalists continue to be in denial and refuse to show sympathy for the staggering level of persecution and suffering sunnis are enduring.

like ostriches, you wont even acknowledge it. preferring instead to fearmonger & lament a hypothetical threat to minorities which is code for “let assad genocide continue so i can be protected.” loyalists show a staggering level of selfishness, effectively turning the perpetuator of violence into the victims. “dont look at sunnis, worry about me instead.” that’s how cold blooded loyalists are.

article after article covering loyalist sentiment has noted regime supporters anger with the regime for not killing more arabs! and faulting assad for not succeeding in putting down the revolt.

over 500,000 fellow syrians killed by assad and not a word of pity. hundreds of thousands more locked up for nothing, being tortured, condemned to dying a slow death. even though alawi themselves have been locked up by the regime – loyalists are silent.

be a human being and say you are sorry. it’s the least alawi can do.

until alawite masses disavow assad evil and express regret – they will incur hatred.

July 8th, 2015, 9:52 pm

 

omen said:

Please meet Muhammad, Raghad and Shahd. Assad killed them by chlorine attack in Dier Ezzor, Syria.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbViVAUwAAqNOF.jpg

July 8th, 2015, 11:06 pm

 

omen said:

correction in #114: it’s not about loyalists wanting protection but their willingness to sacrifice others in selfishly seeking to preserve their own privilege granted to them from being a loyalist, as others on the board have noted before.

you can thank me for not naming names.

July 8th, 2015, 11:54 pm

 

Syrian said:

Syria Stocks
13 hrs ·
‫#‏استقرار‬ مؤشر بورصة دمشق والتداولات بحدود 300 ألف ليرة
Yesterday’s Damascus stock market trade volume was a whopping 1000 dollars!

July 9th, 2015, 3:47 am

 

omen said:

another connect-the-dot:

Laura Rozen: Almost no Israeli reporters at Iran talks.

July 9th, 2015, 4:04 pm

 

omen said:

Times of Israel: Intelligence chief assassinated

In what may be one of the highest-profile assassinations since civil war broke out in 2011, a senior official in Syria’s most powerful intelligence service was found shot in the head, opposition sources claimed Wednesday.

The body of Maj. Gen. Nadeem Shallah, head of the Damascus branch in the Air Force Intelligence Directorate, was found in his car in the Syrian capital’s al-Hamra street, Israeli media quoted unnamed Syrian sources as saying.

[…]

Shallah’s Damascus branch is the largest within the organization. Among his responsibilities, Shallah was charged with overseeing Iranian missile shipments intended for the Syrian Air Force.

He was also charged with coordinating between the Revolutionary Guards’ Quds Force commando unit and Hezbollah’s special ops units.

July 9th, 2015, 4:56 pm

 

omen said:

i might have been tad harsh with our guest blogger, monsieur mohammad.

i forgot scholarship shared is a privilege. ill manners to trash a gift.

July 9th, 2015, 11:42 pm

 

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