Divisions within the Syrian Opposition on Eve of Turkey Meeting

Burhan Ghalioun - Leading Opposition Intellectual

The opposition meeting scheduled to take place in Turkey in four days (May 30) has brought out divisions among leaders of the Syrian uprising. A meeting of some 400 opposition members in Washington on Tuesday also brought some unity. The opposition is divided over the proper role foreign governments should play in bringing down the Syrian regime. Some believe that only foreign action – primarily sanctions as presently articulated – will destroy the Syrian government. One advocates an Israeli role in the destruction of the regime.

A growing divide between those inside the country and outside is developing as well. This is suggested by Burhan Ghalioun’s refusal to go to the Turkey meeting of the opposition. [See translation of his reasons below]

Some 400 Syrian American opposition members gathered in Washington DC on Tuesday 24 May for a first-of-its-kind day of lobbying, rallies, and planning sessions to support freedom and dignity for the people of Syria who are struggling against their government for self-determination. [see more about this meeting at Mideast Report by Tic Root]

Authors at the Washington Institute of Near East Policy propose ways they believe that Sunni soldiers can been persuaded to defect from the Syrian Army. They recognize that so long as the military remains loyal to the president and government, the opposition cannot succeed. Because they do not envisage Alawite officers turning on the regime, they list ways to convince “Sunni members of the Syrian military [to] oust the ruling family.” They advocate that “Washington should begin an active dialogue with the members of the National Initiative for Change.” The principle authors of this program are Radwan Ziadeh, Ausama Monajed, Ammar Abdalhamid, Najib Ghadbian. See more here.

Radwan Ziadeh, 35, US-based head of the Damascus Centre for Human Rights. Ziadeh is a human rights lobbyist, author of 13 books and visiting scholar at George Washington University in the US, where he fled to in 2007 after being threatened with arrest. He has been monitoring deaths and human rights abuses during the protests, including in his home town of Daraya close to Damascus. He has tried, with limited success, to bring the opposition and activists together through a new alliance, the National Initiative for Change.

Anas Al Abdeh, Chairman of the Movement for Justice & Development in Syria and Chairman of the Secretariat of the Damascus Declaration in Diaspora, said that “Europe, and France in particular, has a responsibility to apply direct and strong pressure on the Syrian regime.”

Ausama Monajed laments that Western government are not exploiting the opportunity at hand to divide Syria from Iran and Hizbullah when “protesters have increasingly adopted an anti-Iranian and anti-Hizbollah line.”

Burhan Ghalioun, a leading Syrian opposition intellectual, refuses to go to Turkey Opposition meeting, claiming it will be used by foreign interests. He wrote this on Wednesday, May 25, 2011

إلى أخواني الذين يسألوني عن أسباب عدم حضوري مؤتمر انطاليا أو يتساءلون عنها، أقول إنني أتفهم تعطش شباب الثورة إلى عنوان سياسي يشكل مرجعا لهم وذراعا سياسيا يصد عنهم ضربات سلطة العسف والعنف العاري وحامل لرسالتهم أمام الرأي العام العريي والعالمي. وجوابي أنه لو كان لدي ثقة ولو قليلة على أن هذا المؤتمر يخدم بالفعل هذه الأهداف أو بعضها لما ترددت لحظة في انضمامي إليه. لكنه ليس كذلك. هو بجمع بين الكثير ممن يريد أن يستفيد من الثورة ويستغلها لخدمة أجندات خاصة، ومنها أجنبية لسوء الحظ، وقليل جدا ممن يفكر بالفعل في خدمتها والتضحية من أجلها. هذا هو تقديري على الأقل. وكان إعلانه مفاجأة لي لأنمنظميه كانوا على اتصال بي وكنت قد وعدتهم بأننا نعمل مع الداخل لبلورة مبادرة جامعة. مع الاعتراف بأن بطء الداخل قد أساء لنا أيضا وفتح الباب أمام مثل هذه المبادرات الضعيفة والمليئة بالمفاجآت غير السارة

To my brothers who ask me about the reasons for not attending the Conference in Antalya, I say that I understand the thirst of youth to address a political revolution ……. My answer is that if I had confidence that this conference would serve these goals, I would not hesitate in joining them. But it does not. It is a collection of many of those who want to benefit from and exploit the revolution to serve private agendas, including, unfortunately, foreign agendas. Unfortunately, very few of those participating are really interested in serving the revolution or sacrificing for it. That is estimation of the meeting at least. The announcement of the meeting was a surprise to me because those who announced it were in contact with me. I had promised them that we were working to develop an initiative with those within Syria though a common initiative. We recognize that the slow pace of progress created difficulties and open the door to such initiatives such as these that are weak and full of unpleasant surprises.

Burhan Ghalioun, 65, professor of political sociology at the Sorbonne, Paris –  One of Syria’s respected intellectuals in exile, the academic Ghalioun has become a very public face of the uprising through numerous television and radio interviews. The author of 20 works, including The Arab Malaise, he is known for his strong opinions expressed in a calm, logical manner. He insists the leadership must come from the young people on the ground, but they require the outside help of people such as himself to keep media attention.

Here is a question from a reporter that underscores the divisions among Syrian opposition leaders

Who is the core of the Syrian opposition? I noticed that there are some divergence inside them. For example, Anas Al Abdeh, president of the London-based Movement for Justice and Development said that “Europe, and France in particular, has a responsibility to apply a direct and strong pressure on the Syrian regime so that it will halt the killing of innocents” . At his side were two other opposition leaders, Sarkis Sarkis of the Arab Socialist Movement, and Abdulhamid Alatassi of the Syrian Democratic People’s Party.

At the same time, Farid Ghadry, leader of the opposition Reform Party of Syria said that “The Syrians are waiting to see who is on their side…This is an opportunity for Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, to do something.”He also said that Israelis should remain in the Golan even though it must return to Syria. How do you assess these different proposals? It seems that the oppositions are seeking for more foreign supports than winning over the domestic merchant and middle class.

Sarkis Sarkis Arab Socialist Movement, member of the Damascus Declaration and member of the National Democratic Rally in Syria

Abdulhamid Alatassi Representative of the Syrian Democratic People’s Party in France and member of the Secretariat-General of the Damascus Declaration in Diaspora

Anas Alabdeh Chairman of the Movement for Justice & Development in Syria and Chairman of the Secretariat of the Damascus Declaration in Diaspora

Ausama Monajed writes in his : “Syrian Revolution News Round-up” Day 71: Tuesday, 24 May 2011

“Could the U.S. waste another historic opportunity in the Middle East! Over the last few weeks, protesters have increasingly adopted an anti-Iranian and anti-Hizbollah line, the question is why western leaders are ignoring the opportunity at hand?”

Ghassan al-Muflih on the Antalya meeting – He is another leader of the opposition

Profiles of five people who are emerging as possible leaders of the Syrian rebellion

Raikhlina Sasha
25.05.2011, 14:01
Interview with Joshua Landis, Director of the Centre for Middle East Studies and Associate Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Oklahoma. Reports mention financial sanctions, and, as far as I understand, these would come in the form of asset freezes and travel bans on the government figures, am I correct?
Source: Voice of Russia.

Ammar Abdalhamid and Helena Cobban at the Middle East Institute.

Syria opposition battles rising frustration and internal divisions: Disorganisation and splits within activists’ ranks said to deter others from joining movement.
Nidaa Hassan in Damascus, guardian.co.uk, Monday 23 May 2011

Syria’s anti-government protesters are battling against internal divisions and growing frustration as the movement against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, now in its third month, appears to have reached a stalemate…..

There is disagreement about whether or not to negotiate with the government, what tactics to adopt for the street protests, and even whether the demonstrations began too soon.

“Maybe we should have waited and got better organised before we took to the streets,” said one protester in his 20s in the central city of Homs. A middle-aged woman whose son is out protesting said she offered to send him to Egypt to learn from activists but “he and his friends were so enthused by the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia they couldn’t wait”.

But others said they had to take the opportunity presented by the initial victories of the Arab spring.

Many in urban centres are disconnected from a mainly rural uprising, and tribal groups have their own specific codes, requiring revenge for bloodshed, said a diplomat in Damascus.

When on 13 May the government said it would open a national dialogue – a pledge that looks increasingly insincere – opposition figures took different stances.

Older veteran figures such as Louay Hussein, an Alawite writer who met presidential emissaries, advocated negotiations.

But others, such as Razan Zeitouneh, a 35-year-old lawyer and activist, rejected any form of contact.

“I am adamantly opposed to dialogue before all violence is stopped and all political prisoners are released,” she said.

This disorganisation has alienated some of those who would have joined the protest movement. Two months of action have polarised Syrians.

…Those advocating change encompass all ages, levels of education and religions but predominantly young men are taking to the streets. “I fear people see young men in tracksuits or look at people coming out in rural areas and don’t see it as a movement that they relate to,” said the middle-aged woman….

In Syria, the revolution is uncertain.
Video by Grant Slater

KPCC Video and Photo, Southern California Public Radio – Interviews with Syrians on both sides of the revolutionary divide in California. This film should be seen in tandem with reading this article about the same people.


American sanctions against Syria 25.05.2011

LA Times:

“You can’t ignore the timing,” said Albright. “Syria is politically weaker than it was six months ago, and it might be easier to muster the votes at the [IAEA] board to refer this to the Security Council.”

Albright is a weapon inspector who now heads the Institute for Science and International Security, a Washington arms control watchdog. “This is laying down the gauntlet against Syria.”

James Fallows: Under Pressure, Syria Ends Economic Liberalization, Worsening Outlook

2011-05-25

One of President Assad’s rare progressive initiatives, an effort to open Syria’s economy has come to a halt under domestic protests and international sanctions, threatening to add to the country’s political woes DAMASCUS, Syria — Syrian President …

Chatham House: Envisioning Syria’s Political Future – Obstacles and Options

2011-05-25

Envisioning Syria’s Political Future – Obstacles and Options Tuesday 14 June 2011 18:00 to 19:00 Location Chatham House, London Participants Ammar Abdulhamid, Syrian Human Rights activist, author, dissident and founder of The Tharwa Foundation …

CFR: The New Yorker: The Syrian Problem

2011-05-25

The New Yorker’s Steve Coll looks at the past decade of oppressive rule by the Assad regime and argues that the time for Washington to negotiate has passed. The Damascus Spring of 2001 was so called because Syrian democrats hoped that President …

Witness: Shattered humanity inside Syria’s security apparatus
By Suleiman al-Khalidi – Thu May 26, Reuters

AMMAN (Reuters) – The young man was dangling upside down, white, foaming saliva dripping from his mouth. His groans sounded more bestial than human…..

Hizbullah leader, Hasan Nasrallah talking about Syria: خطاب السيد حسن نصر الله الجزء الثالث سوريا

DC Circuit upholds default damages judgment against Syria
2011-05-21

[JURIST] The US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit [official website] on Friday unanimously ruled [opinion, PDF] to uphold a $413 million judgment against Syria for assisting in the the murders of two US contractors. In 2004, two …

Obama’s Push-Pull Strategy: How Washington Should Plan for a Post-Assad Syria
By Andrew J. Tabler of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and Mara Karlin ForeignAffairs.com, May 25, 2011

Washington can take several concrete steps to help bring the Syrian crisis and the Asad regime to a peaceful end.

Assad is now caught in a dilemma: He can continue relying on his fellow Alawite security chiefs and the minority system they dominate to persecute the predominately Sunni protesters, or he can enact deep political reforms that could convince the protesters to return home but would end the Alawite-led system on which he so heavily relies. Either way, the Assad regime as it has existed for more than four decades is disintegrating.

Now, to follow through on his bold declaration last week, Obama and his advisers must plan for a Syria without the Assad regime as it currently exists. To do so, Washington should try to push Assad from power while pulling in a new leadership.

…..Obama must go even further than he did in his speech last week and publicly state that Assad must go. ……

Sanctions are another way to weaken Assad’s already loosening grip on power. ….

The United States could also exploit the vulnerability of Syria’s oil sector, …. Washington should press EU member states to …ban …. the Commercial Bank of Syria,…..The bank is known to keep a portion of its approximately $20 billion in hard currency reserves in short-term accounts at European banks. ……

Furthermore, the United States could invoke some combination of the remaining tenets of the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act. (The act was first enacted by Congress in 2003 to sanction Syria for its pernicious meddling in Iraq and Lebanon, support for terror groups, and pursuit of weapons of mass destruction.) Those tenets include a ban on U.S. investment in Syria, a ban on the travel of Syrian diplomats beyond a 25-mile radius of Washington and New York, and a downgrading of diplomatic relations.

…a united front would show Arab allies, most notably Saudi Arabia and Egypt (both of which have no love for Assad), that Washington is serious about its “push” strategy and could entice them to actively join the anti-Assad bandwagon. Also, a concerted, multilateral effort against the Assad regime would help strip away Russian and Chinese objections to a UN Security Council resolution …

…. Syrian military officers (some of whom are Sunni) as well as the army’s enlisted rank and file (which is largely Sunni) could be convinced to question seriously Assad’s ability to survive. This would help raise the possibility of Sunni members of the Syrian military stepping in to save the country by ousting the ruling family.

As the United States works to push Assad from power, it should also be looking to pull in new political forces to replace him. Above all else, Syrians themselves must be at the forefront of any regime change in Damascus. Washington should, therefore, begin an active dialogue with the members of the National Initiative for Change,…

Washington should focus on bringing about a government led by the country’s Sunni majority, which would naturally create considerable tension with or a break in Syria’s alliance with Shiite-dominated Iran…

Michael Young

The Obama administration could fashion an Arab consensus by portraying a change in Syria as fatal for Iranian interests in the Levant. Despite Saudi-American tensions in recent months, there would be much sympathy with this approach in Riyadh, helping to unlock Gulf skepticism. What bothers the Saudis is that they see an Obama administration without any discernible strategy to contain Iranian power. An American initiative to use the Syrian crisis as a means of countering the influence of Iran and Hezbollah could reverse this sentiment. It would likely also earn considerable support from Egypt, which views Iran as a major spoiler on the Palestinian front.

Unrest chills investment in Syria, economy falters
Thu May 26, 2011, By Khaled Yacoub Oweis

* Qatar real estate firm halts large project in Damascus
* UAE engineering company pulls out of protest hotspot Homs* Economy seen shrinking 3 pct after 4 pct growth in 2010
* Capital flight detected since street turmoil began

AMMAN, May 26 (Reuters) – Political unrest has stymied three major Gulf investment projects in Syria and harmed efforts to attract capital needed to boost the economy after decades of Soviet-style controls, business figures say.

Syrian Decree on Adding Additional Marks to Exam Results of University Students, 2011-05-26

Decree on Adding Additional Marks to Exam Results of University Students May 26, 2011 http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/05/26/349006.htm DAMASCUS, (SANA)- President Bashar al-Assad on Thursday issued Decree No. 203 for 2011 which provides for …

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151. vlad-the-syrian said:

JAD

nope !

what is Qatar ? much gas mingled with too much s…t

i think Addounia shouldnt do that. Nobody cares now about eye witnesses

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May 27th, 2011, 3:29 pm

 

152. jad said:

In short of Oweis the Jordanian sectarian reporter:
“But the bloodshed this week appeared to be on a lesser scale than witnessed recently.”
That is good improvement for the regime bad news for the organizers, it means that something bad will happen soon.

““There are no grounds to consider this issue (Syria) in the U.N. Security Council. We will not even read the text.””
So no resolution from the UN and the Europens will work harder to get the Russian to ‘read’ their ‘text’, bad news for the ‘Tal kalakh’ brave men in Lebanon.

I like this Oweis numbers, he must be bad in mathematics..because for him thousands means 200-500, thens of thousands means 1000-3000..on his rate today we saw millions in the streets of Syria.

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Vlad,
This is why I put the clip it’s ridiculously funny, don’t you think? The eye witness is in the room next door…

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May 27th, 2011, 3:33 pm

 

153. jad said:

The local TVs started to capture some clips from the protests, this is good.
تجمعات يوم الجمعة واصابات بين الشرطة والأمن

As expected the violence will start when no much blood to report:
FB
مسلحون يقتحمون قرية ” معرتماتر” التابعة للمعرة ويحرقون منازل وسيارات واستغاثات لتدخل الجيش والأمن

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May 27th, 2011, 3:44 pm

 

154. why-discuss said:

AIG

Obviously you know nothing about Syria’s economy because Israel’s partners are mostly western countries. This is not the case of Syria:

First, only the West has technology to build modern power plants.
Really? Chinese cannot? Turkey cannot? Brazil cannot? Russia cannot?

Second, most tourists to Syria come from the EU.
Really? the european tourists in Syria are less than 10% of the tourists. 90% of the tourists are Arabs and Iranians or from other moslem countries.

Third, the EU is a value added export market. Syria has to export to it to grow
Syria exports almost nothing to Europe. Its largest exports is the huge Iraqi market, not the saturated european market. It used to import luxurious items from Europe that only served the rich and Syria can live much better without. Most useful imports are from China and Turkey and Iran (cars).

The Oil tanker insurance. I have no time to investigate but who is insuring the tankers that take the oil from Iran?

Syria lived without the help of EU and US before 2008 and can very well live after 2011.

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May 27th, 2011, 3:47 pm

 

155. why-discuss said:

The US extends its Emergency Law (Elegantly called the Patriot Act) for 4 more years

Patriot Act: three controversial provisions that Congress voted to keep

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0527/Patriot-Act-three-controversial-provisions-that-Congress-voted-to-keep

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May 27th, 2011, 4:01 pm

 

156. vlad-the-syrian said:

JAD

i think that the zombie doesnt understand you

otherwise “ROUH WLAK” would be enough :)

the funny thing on this video is that the kids keep throwing stones in the direction of the camera man as if they wanted just only to be on the TV

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May 27th, 2011, 4:04 pm

 

157. vlad-the-syrian said:

WD

and what about India ?

i hope that this year there will be more tourists from the diaspora and less from arabstan

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May 27th, 2011, 4:07 pm

 

158. Alex said:

Dear Atassi and Jad

I know both of you long enough to have no doubt that you are both very kind individuals who care so much for Syria. You both did not mean what you wrote minutes ago.

I removed your three comments (Atassi, then Jad, then Atassi) and hope not to see that kind of language here again.

Vlad,

No Zombies here please.

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May 27th, 2011, 4:16 pm

 

159. vlad-the-syrian said:

WD

http://www.youtube.com/user/ARABDZ#p/u/1/nxjSxnWzLm4

the problem with Turkey is that we need water and they have been always “diplomatically” threatening to cut it off. I think that many concessions have been made especially because of the drought. Knowing that, syrians have no more confidence in Erdogan.

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May 27th, 2011, 4:18 pm

 

160. AIG said:

WD,

Continue living in your fantasy world. Syria is quickly approaching hyper inflation.

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May 27th, 2011, 4:28 pm

 

161. vlad-the-syrian said:

dear ALEX

okay i will use another word for the same idea. The effect will be the same : only the truth hurts

Why dont you ban AIG AMIR and AP , the weapon mongers 30% religious high-tech philistines advertising arrogantly for their mafia oligarchy

I am agaisnt banning whomever even those appointed contributors above. I wish that they keep lying to their people for they cant lie to us :)

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May 27th, 2011, 4:36 pm

 

162. vlad-the-syrian said:

JAD

about Addounia TV

http://www.youtube.com/user/ARABDZ#p/u/2/jMWqZTCuxts

what do you think of the sequence between 2.24 and the end ?

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May 27th, 2011, 5:08 pm

 

163. jad said:

اتصال الدكتور أكرم الشعار لتوضيح سبب وفاة الطفل

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May 27th, 2011, 5:11 pm

 

164. SF94123 said:

Atassi and Jad just demonstrated how fragile the situation in Syria can be!. Things could spin out of control and millions of innocent Syrians will pay a hefty price for many years to come.

We need a moderator who can bridge the widening gap between all sides and keep Syria united… We all want to have a country where everyone has an equal chance to advance and prosper.

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May 27th, 2011, 5:12 pm

 

165. Jad said:

Vlad,
It’s obvious that the regime is not the goal, partition of Syria and عرعرتها و عرقنتها و بلقنتها، is.

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May 27th, 2011, 5:19 pm

 

166. vlad-the-syrian said:

dear SF94123

i doubt wether Atassi is a syrian. If he were, knwoing who really was Atassi (the first), he would’nt have used this identitiy to promote such ideas …

As for the “widening gap”, i think that if syrians agree on a common strictly secular basis without any foreign TADAKHOULAT (immixion) there should be no trouble.

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May 27th, 2011, 5:32 pm

 

167. vlad-the-syrian said:

Jad

yes

partition and since they can’t do it then the maximum wreckage

Did you notice that L’Orient-Le-Jour is disappointed because there were not enough dead and injured people ?

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May 27th, 2011, 5:50 pm

 

168. Louai said:

VLAD-THE-SYRIAN @78

corruption is everywhere and in all levels i personally wouldn’t know if Makhloof is corrupt or not as i am not ‘that big business man to know’ all of us starting with myself are adopted to this corruption its in every aspect of our life .i personally like many people see Mr president very transparent and humble person and i don’t know about the people around him .if we only fidht corruption in my opinion all the demands of every demanding Syrian will be met .

to fight this corruption we don’t need to destroy the entire country if the legal system radically changed ,and if we put all our power there to insure a fair and firm legal system we can advance many nations in a very short time. and the change demanded by people will be automatically gradually and peacefully met .

just imagine when you have a legal system that protect your right against anyone no matter how powerful he is !! me personally i wouldn’t demand anything else .

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May 27th, 2011, 5:52 pm

 

169. vlad-the-syrian said:

Louai

i’m glad you replied

unfortunately i have no time right now

i’ll answer you later on this topic

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May 27th, 2011, 6:01 pm

 

170. Louai said:

69. Shami

thank you for your answer ,I wished if it wasn’t the case , you said Nasrullah‘is a puppet of the extremist shia theocracy which cultivate a culture of hatred and revenge towards Sunnism in general’

I am not in a position to defenf Hizbullah,and I wouldn’t support a religois party to rule Syria in anyhow but as far as I know Nasrullah lost his own son in the struggle against Israel ,would he send his son to war only to please the Iranians? I doubt it . why he also support Hamas (MB) ?
i am not that young to not notice that this sectarian language of ‘Shia and Sunna ‘ is relatively new between Syrians and to be frank I only start to hear such terms after 17 of March !
Islam I learnt about in school is complete different from what I am seeing now days with my respect to Muslims.
although i will not accept Iranian system in Syria and will fight against it if ever took power but if Israel is my enemy and Iran is fighting it ,so be it I can make a very good friendship with Iran why not?

saddam fought Iran ,who won? answer is Israel ! who lost? both sides specially the Iraqi people .

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May 27th, 2011, 6:17 pm

 

171. Sophia said:

# 150 AIG,

I am for freedom of speech and protest everywhere.

When there was a flare up in the French suburbs (and it happened more than once), Nicolas Sarkozy sent the police after the youth who were burning tires and cars. Young people died from these confrontations.

Just imagine if these youths had received money from people outside France who don’t like Sarkozy, imagine if outside powers would have chastised Sarkozy for trying to restore calm and order in France by asking him to let the protesters protest as they wish and burn public property and kill the police, imagine if those protesters would have kept protesting, killing the police and damaging public property after their friday prayers, and imagine France hit by sanctions from the US and EU asking them to reform their institutions so youths from Arab origin could have a fare share of the public good in all its forms or else quit and let someone else lead the country, keep imagining please…

I am for freedom of protests and freedom of speech. I am against foreign interference, strife and lawlesness that hurts the public and that is imposed by a minority of people who want to force their will on others despite the fact that I recognise the grievances of people in Syria and of the youth in the Parisian suburbs.

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May 27th, 2011, 7:01 pm

 

172. vlad-the-syrian said:

Hi Sophia

this is exactly what you should write on french blogs.

Its is relieving to find that someone shares the same ideas.

But you say ” Young people died from these confrontations.” I dont remember any dead casualties under the “jerking dwarf”. Maybe i’m wrong.

Still i dont understand your interest for Syria. Because you’re beyond from just observing. Besides, c’est une tâche assez ingrate to say it in french and the persons adopting positions like yours and being well informed as you are rather scarce.

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May 27th, 2011, 7:43 pm

 

173. vlad-the-syrian said:

Louai

regarding Nasrallah i consider him first and foremost as a syrian nationalist. For many lebanses he is not an islamist although he refers in his speeches to islam and uses islamist rhetoric.

Hizbullah is not percieved as an extremist party on the ground of islamism. I said that Hizbullah ince the independance has done for secularism in Lebanon much more than all secular partiess.

To understand that you have to remember his background.

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May 27th, 2011, 7:53 pm

 

174. vlad-the-syrian said:

AIrG

a nice quotation for you :

“When Solomon the king of Israel saw by the Holy Spirit that the kingdom of Roboam his son shall in the time to come be separated with that of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that Jerusalem and the
devoted House shall be destroyed, that the people of Israel’s sons shall be exiled, he said … ”

but i say to you : sorry man this is your lot not ours so try to cope with it withount causing damage to the neighbours (Israel among the nations CLAP CLAP CLAP 28 standing ovation ALLAH WA AKBAR) and if you do so maybe your neighbours would help you.

The problem is that the thug Bibi and his fellows thugs (without nuances) dont want true nations for neighbours they prefer the desert. By the way Sophia have said SA7 TAMAM (altogether right) that zionists like you and wahhabis are the same. You cherish the desert.

Until 2006 i was convinced that peace with Israel was possible. I remember that there were even demos in Israel in favour of peace with Syria and many signs were encouraging. I perceived that Assad’s will was sincere. Imad Mustapha the syrian ambassador to the US made a lot of civilian efforts in this direction. The regime softened his stance towards Israel. Harsh people with tough language were replaced etc.. etc..

But in 2006 i saw what you have done in Lebanon so i dont believe anymore in peace with Israel. Yoy have destroyed half the country , killed and injured thousands of people caused huge enormous damages
And for what please ? not because of a bloody terrorist attack but for strictly speaking a military act (a “fait d’armes”) what’s more on a disputed zone and even more by your own stupid military mistake. In fact, your soldiers were off their guard so they were taken by surprise.
(Nasrallah later admitted also that it was a mistake speaking on the Hizbulla part and that he didnt expected the consequences to be what happened)

Then you scattered millions of your high-tech nice little fragmentation bombs on thousands of acres nearly everywhere in south Lebanon that until today kill and mutilate innocent people.
I concluded then that even if you keep the Golan you dont want peace with Syria. For indeed you want more of Syria and more of Lebanon.

Let this be understood : i dont give a shit about palestinian cause and all Gaza if my country is to be wrecked and invaded for reasons that have nothing to do with the palestinian cause nor with Gaza. And i can assure you that many syrians think like me.
Well let the taboos fall now that we have a little wind of freedom … This shit is a big lie invented by liers adopted by liers and perpetuated by liers (ask for names i’ll give). I dont say what are
we going to do with those people because most of them are here and suffering. This is a humanitarian issue. I’m talking rather about their nationalist claim. Then why not Jordan ? And truely Palestine, Jordan , Irak, SA, Qatar Koweit are these nations ? And furthermore since this mood of liberty is in the air : Israel a nation ? and why an Israel like this one : 30% fanatic ultra-nationalist religious appointed backed payed by their government ? first world weapon seller per capita ? endemic corruption at the highest level (oh no no not you) come on ! you cant deny facts and evidence : the techno-miltary something establishment allied with the religious possesses the real power in Israel under the appearance of democracy.

Wheras Syria is a nation wether you like it or not. Bashar said that these events are going to be a test for the syrian nation he said it before the the members of the parliament. He didnt get 28 standing ovations. He was applauded a bit loudly in the syrian way and i think he was rather confused. But he was right.

And so you come now and say to the syrians to the patriots do this and do that to achieve democracy insulting by the way their leader whom they respect because they trust him for his honesty ?
You are not only arrogant ou are a racist.

I
So keep on lying. The best wins :)

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May 27th, 2011, 10:09 pm

 

175. Sophia said:

# 172 Vlad,

C’est très momentané ma participation comme commentatrice sur ce blog. C’est surtout par réaction. Je suis venue m’informer et puis j’ai commencé à commenter. De mon expérience personnelle sur mon blog (sur lequel maintenant je modère les commentaires et j’y contribue très peu) ce qui est le plus important pour décourager les sionistes, qui viennent donner des ordres et nous dire comment penser, c’est de leur faire perdre la face en les poussant à mener leur argument au bout pour en montrer les contradictions. Je dois dire que je ne trouve pas cela amusant mais je le fais plutôt par devoir moral. Mais je ne peux pas rester longtemps commentatrice sur les blogs, jai besoin de mon temps pour mon travail.

Mon intérêt pour la Syrie vient du fait que j’ai de la parenté libanaise et je connais les syriens et la Syrie. Mais mon intérêt en général va au delà, c’est tout le moyen orient et la Syrie est une clé importante dans la région. Je suis très inquiète, je trouve la nouvelle génération au MO mieux informée mais manque de sens de l’histoire et d’esprit critique.

Je suis bien plus âgée que beaucoup d’entre vous qui commentent ici et je me dis que j’ai envie de voir de mon vivant cette région connaître la paix et la prospérité mais à chaque convulsion de l’histoire il y a un obstacle qui se dresse pour renforcer la tutelle externe sur les pays arabes et amener des guerres. Les américains et les sonistes se battront jusqu’au dernier arabe. Je crois aussi que l’islamisme à la Bin Laden a fait beaucoup de tort. Je ne sais pas pour combien de temps nous payerons encore cette bêtise de Bin Laden qui a servi de casus belli pour initier le projet des neocons pour le morcellement du moyen orient.

Pour ton info, 2 jeunes sont morts au début des émeutes en 2005 À Clichy-sous-Bois et le début des incidents de 2005 faisait suite à plusieurs éclats qui ont précédé entre la police française et les jeunes des banlieues.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Émeutes_de_2005_dans_les_banlieues_françaises

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May 27th, 2011, 10:35 pm

 

176. vlad-the-syrian said:

ok compris

pour ma part, je ne suis ni pro-palestinien ni anti-israelien.et également ici de passage étant donné les circonstances, car je ne commentais pas avant. Donc c’est également réactif et par conséquent sujet à interpétation de la part des autres commentateurs pour qui j’ai d’ailleurs le plus grand respect. J’interviens aussi pour d’autres camarades syriens qui ne peuvent pas s’exprimer dans ce genre de média.

On est obligé d’aider les palestiniens vu qu’ils sont là. Quant aux israeliens on ne peut quand même pas mettre ces gens à la mer. Je crois que la plupart sont honnêtes mais pas leur politiciens surtout pas Bibi et l’autre revulsé. Mais je peux me tromper

en tant que syrien je pense que la solution est un néo-baath avec un front progressiste renouvelé sans les nationalistes arabes. Le premier acquis de ces événements est d’ailleurs la fin de l’idéologie nationaliste arabe en Syrie, et par conséquent la délégation du problème palestinien aux arabes. Qu’ils s’en occupent. Le front progressite se concentrera sur la Syrie. La Syrie a encore besoin d’un parti unique avant-gardiste mais il y a beaucoup de ménage à faire. Sous réserves de solutionner la corruption. Ceci est bien entendu de l’ordre du virtuel et n’arrivera peut-être pas. D’ici à ce qu’on en finisse avec le monothéisme cette invention syrienne il peut s’écouler plusieurs siècles …

En passant, le projet de morcellement ne date pas des néo-cons.

De manière générale je trouve que les syriens paient collectivement le prix de leur débonnaireté … qui comme tu le sais est légendaire. On a trop tendance à nous prendre pour des idiots. Je parle des gens ordinaires.

Cela dit je suis vraiment outré par la manière dont on parle des alawites ici. Je le dis because it is true and they will read it. Les alawites ont donné beaucoup beacoup et pas seulement les pro-régime et cela est ignoré. Les derniers seront les premiers dit-on.

Si je continue ça va être une conversation privée. Je ne crois pas que ce soit l’esprit de ce blog :)

je vais arrêter de contribuer vu que c’est khulset

NO PASARAN :)

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May 27th, 2011, 11:26 pm

 

177. vlad-the-syrian said:

Atassi :)

Nidal Janoud and all the people wether soldiers policemen or civilians whom your friends have killed and hurted shall be revenged 1000 times. You have always been provocative here.
I tell you dont think that the syrians this time are going to stay just simply there watching the events their mouth shut and their arms folded.
Not the shabihas but the shabihas’s dogs we keep them for the end to finish the job, tell this to your friends the Abadayate and dont see any sectarian intention. Fihmt shlon ya 7abibi ?

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May 27th, 2011, 11:30 pm

 

178. Louai said:

173. vlad-the-syrian

i agree.

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May 28th, 2011, 6:52 am

 

179. جعفر الصادق said:

مخططاتكم مكشوفة ولن تنطلي على الشعب السوري العظيم أنتم ومرتزقتكم التي وجدت من بلادها أداة تتسول بها من أمريكا ومن انضوى تحت لوائها ستذهبون الى الجحيم والى مزبلة التاريخ أيها المعارصة السورية أنتم مجموعة من المعارصين وليس المعارضين والعرصة لغويا هو من يقتات على جسد محارمه وأنتم تقتاتون على جسد وطنكم

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May 28th, 2011, 7:01 am

 

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